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From YouTube: City Council Meeting 03-21-18 Part 4
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A
C
I
forgot
to
add
was
this.
Conversation
has
been
going
on
since
2000.
What
seven
or
eight
I
mean
I
know.
I
was
a
part
of
it.
I've
been
a
part
of
this
conversation,
so
this
is
not
new
news
and
so
forth.
For
the
reaction
of
you
know
to
be
what
it
is.
It's
like
this
should
have
been
participation
along
the
way.
So
there's
a
side
of
me,
that's,
like
you
know
it's
I'm
kind
of
torn
about
this
whole
issue.
D
E
In
my
position,
there's
a
old
expression,
businesses,
business
and
Moses
as
Moses,
and
we
were
talking
about
a
a
unorganized
spontaneous
charming
historical
continuation
event
that
has
a
flavor,
so
I
and
I'm
gathering
I
can't
speak
for
you
guys,
but
I'm
gathering
that
there's
a
a
very
big
tug
and
pull
with
our
hearts
right
here.
I
would
have
a
concern
of
setting
presidents
for
other
groups
that
don't
have
the
same
charm
but
part
of
the
charm
of
this
and
part
of
the
difficulty
that
they
would
have
had
communicating.
E
Since
we've
started
this
discussion
in
a
formal
way.
Is
that
they're
not
organized?
They
don't
have
a
formal
organization,
maybe
it's
time
they
should,
but
then
maybe
it
would
lose
its
charm
I,
don't
know
part
of
the
charm
about
this.
Is
it's
so
spontaneous
and
we
keep
saying
that
we
want
to
have
this
friendly
little
small
town
feature
to
our
personality
as
a
community
and
I
think
it's
something
that
we
want
to
preserve
any
way
we
can
one
concern.
I
would
have
that
that
was
brought
up
to
me
in
a
conversation
and
and
respect.
E
Please
I
wouldn't
want
this
parking
area
to
become
a
tailgate
area.
Okay,
I
wouldn't
want
this
to
be
the
area
where
somebody
comes
in
brings
their
pickup
truck
sets
up
their
barbecue
and
it
becomes
a
football
tailgating.
On
the
other
hand,
if
it's,
if
it's
a
area
I
can
be
empathetic.
If
it's
an
area
that
somebody.
E
I
think
the
grass
is
a
little
vulnerable,
but
that's
a
temporary
thing,
because
it's
still
new,
it's
still
got
the
spaces
between
the
pieces
of
sod
and
as
that
fills
in
and
that
grass
gets
more
robust.
I
think
this
is
a
grass
that
can
be
durable
and
handle
as
long
as
we
don't
go
on
a
turn
during
the
monsoon
season
in
the
middle
of
the
monsoon.
So
this
is
as
I
hope.
This
is
an
area
that
we
can
find
a
a
good
resolution
to.
E
E
There
is
there
any
liability
force.
There
is
a
ditch
there
if
somebody
falls
and
stumbles
and
so
forth.
Who
who
takes
that
liability?
That's
part
of
the
the
business
side
side
of
it,
but
on
the
the
emotional
side
of
it,
I
have
a
a
strong
heart
to
try
to
come
to
some
kind
of
acceptable
accommodation
to
maintain
the
flavor
of
this
spontaneous
group,
and
if
that
means
parking
on
the
grass
and
we
have
to
take
a
little
risk,
fine,
but
I
don't
want
to
expose
us
to
other
groups.
D
I
love
the
music
in
the
park,
spend
lots
of
nights
at
Steve,
lactulose
house,
but
his
house
had
to
order
his
library
had
order
and
not
that
when
I
talked
to
you
Michel,
we
all
met
I,
think
we
all
met
with
him.
That's
what
he
indicated.
I
met
with
him
and
Howard
and
Rick.
Was
there
too
there's
really
no
give-and-take
in
this
situation,
because
because
nobody
wants
to
take
any
responsibility
up
here,
I
have
to
protect
the
assets
of
the
city.
D
We
haven't
even
made
it
through
an
event
season
or
a
rainy
season,
and
we
haven't
even
finished
the
landscaping
or
the
rest
of
the
park.
So
not
that
I'm
saying
no
forever,
but
for
right
now,
I
just
don't
see
how
it's
workable.
There
is
a
swale
right.
There
I
mean
we
walked
it.
We
looked
at
what
what
config
configurations
could
be,
but
the
fact
that
there
is
no
organization
is
what
worries
me.
We
have
a
whole
event
permit.
We
here
event
requests
all
the
time
we
take
security
posits
we
make
them
get
they've
been
insurance.
D
These
are
things
that
cost
money,
not
that
you
have
to.
You
know,
have
money
to
do
business
with
the
city,
I
mean,
but
there
has
to
be
some
responsibility
on
the
people
that
want
to
use
the
park,
for
whatever
purpose
it
may
be.
I
would
hope
that
this
can
continue.
I
mean
we
just
got
done.
This
is
the
thing
that
really
upsets
me
personally.
I.
Take
it
personal
sitting
up
here
for
eight
years.
D
We
just
fixed
all
of
the
ABA
issues
that
we
had
at
this
park,
except
for
restrooms,
which
we
do
have
an
ata,
accessible
restroom
right
now,
although
it's
temporary,
we
just
fixed
all
of
our
ad
a
situation
and
we're
getting
not
and
I.
Just
don't
I,
don't
think
it's
fair
and
I.
Just
at
this
time,
I
can't
agree
to
do
it.
D
F
F
It's
very
clear
to
me
that
we
have
totally
inadequate
parking
down
there
and
I
would
like
to
suggest,
as
one
of
the
things
that
we
consider
doing,
is
that
we
go
back
and
revisit
the
parking
that
ran
along
the
front
of
the
pavilion
and
the
gazebo
area
as
we
had
it
before.
I
think
we
should
look
at
taking
a
stab
at
that
as
an
alternative
for
part
of
the
solution
to
the
problem.
F
Is
revisit
the
entire
parking
scenario
down
there,
because
it's
it's
not
it's
not
adequate,
in
my
opinion,
so
I'm
kind
of
like
where
Gary
is
I'm
kind
of
between
a
rock
and
a
hard
place.
My
heart
says
we
should
help
these
folks
and
we
should
do
something
to
accommodate
them
and
I
agree
with
you
as
far
as
the
liability
side
of
it.
So
it's
a
very
precarious
situation
to
be
in
and
I
mean
if
it
were
up
to
me,
I'd
say
sure:
go
ahead
park
on
the
grass.
E
E
You
and
I
had
the
exact
same
pain
in
the
face.
I'm
just
saying.
Maybe
there
could
be
some
type
of
if
the
folks
that
the
guitar
army
could
band
together
similar
in
a
informal
way,
as
the
Friends
of
the
playground
did
to
figure
out
some
way
to
maybe
organize
a
little
bit
to
get
some
shuttling
type
of
funding
of
some
sort.
But
the
city
can't
take
that
burden.
They
can't
take
that
shuttling.
Funding
on
our
own
I.
Don't
see
that
happening,
but
there's
I
just
hope.
There's
a
way
we
can.
E
G
C
All
getting
to
the
same
conclusion
here
as
really
as
much
as
we
would
want
to
I
think
that's
where
I
am
it's
really
thinking
about
different
solutions
and
ways
to
achieve
it,
and
it
raises
the
question:
as
you
know,
how
would
we
accommodate
more
parking
and
those
kind
of
things
more
formalizing
of
this
guitar
army,
a
nonprofit
G
and
you
know,
guitar
army,
something
that
becomes
a
something
that's
really
kind
of
a
status
symbol.
You
know
so
they're.
Just
there
are
lots
of
options
and
I
think
that
this
conversation
can.
D
E
Long-Term
solution
could
be
don't
everybody
hit
me
on
this,
as
we
do
have
vacant
lands
that
people
have
expressed
that
they
want
to
develop.
There
was
one
piece
of
vacant
land
at
a
friend
of
mine
sitting
in
the
back
and
I
had
proposed
putting
a
band
shell
on
in
one
way
of
development.
The
long-term
solution
may
be
through
gardening
and
landscaping
and
develop
into
some
other
properties
that
the
city
owns
of
having
a
different
Park
area
with
the
parking
and
everything
all
available.
E
Specifically
for
the
for
these
types
of
events
that
could
be
a
long-term
solution.
It's
not
a
short-term
solution,
but
you
know
we've
got
a
big
piece
of
a
Gary
Gary's.
Here
we
got
a
big
piece
of
property
that
we've
had
a
lot
of
discussions
about
sitting
over
there
and
just
off
of
Henry
Street,
and
you
know,
maybe
the
dogs
would
enjoy
the
music
too.
So
I
just
want
to
throw
that
out,
because
I
can't
discuss
this
over
the
next
two
weeks.
H
During
the
year
when
it
was
under
reconstruction,
we
tried
to
move
it.
You
know
what
the
problem
is.
Is
that
there's
no
method
of
communicating,
because
there
isn't
a
an
organization
people
know
about
this
because
of
word-of-mouth
and
across
the
years
and
it's
known
regionally,
they
know
to
come
to
Gilchrist
Park,
it's
taken
on
its
own
branding,
I
mean
when
you
try
to
move
it.
It
doesn't
work
we
already
out.
We
already
know
that
we
tried
to
move
it
during
the
year
and
it
fell
apart.
It
was
it
was
coming
completely
apart.
H
The
the
the
notion
how
to
how
to
recognize
the
the
special
nature
of
the
music
in
the
park.
You
know
I
heard
the
adverse
use
and
that
you,
you
can't
adversely
possess
or
adversely
use
against
government.
That's
not
a
concept,
that's
that
that
flies
that
doesn't
have
any
wings.
The
that.
What
we've
done,
however,
limit
from
my
perspective
really
and
truly
is
we've.
We've
fixed
a
problem
that
wasn't
broken.
H
You
asked
how
what
are
we
to
do
because
we've
made
it
I
was
in
the
first
charettes
about
the
changing
of
what
was
going
to
happen
at
the
park.
I
used
to
live,
downtown
Punta
Gorda
on
Marian,
Avenue
and
I,
walked
to
the
park
and
I
still
mostly
park
at
my
office
and
walk
to
the
park.
I
can
do
that
the
the
but
the,
but
there
is
an
adequate
parking
there.
H
We
did
take
away
what
was
what
was
useful,
adequate
parking
and
we
stretched
it
all
the
way
down,
Retta
and
for
most
of
most
occasions,
almost
all
the
time.
That's
plenty
of
parking,
there's
no
reason
to
park
in
the
grass
think
of
this
as
overflow
parking
when
you've
got
something.
That's
bits
popular.
We
do
this
in
every
kind
of
event.
Every
kind
of
business
has
some
kind
of
searches
have
overflow
parking
that
goes
over
onto
the
grass.
H
The
the
diagram
that
I've
have
up
here,
the
at
where
those
arrows
are
there's
bollards
that
can
be
unlocked.
Those
are
intended
for
access
points,
and
so
the
notion
that
we're
bringing
vehicles
in
where
vehicles
aren't
allowed,
there's
a
sign
that
says
authorized
vehicles
will
only
we
authorized
vehicles
to
go
in
there.
It
just
has
to
be
authorized,
and
so
there's
at
there's
access
points
that
the
drainage,
swales
are
very
evident
and
people
would
stay
out
of
them.
H
There's
there's
there's
plenty
of
area
that
needs
additional
landscaping
and
should
be
further
landscaped
to
make
it
a
beautiful
park.
There's
this
is
just
a
park
in
progress,
but
the
parking
on
the
grass
I
mean
I
played
Little
League
baseball
down
here
at
Gilchrist,
Park
I
played
Pop
Warner
football.
There
was
there
were
softball
fields
there.
People
have
always
sensed,
there's
been
a
park
since
there's
been
cars.
There's
been
parking
on
this
grass
in
this
park,
and
so
what
we've
done
is
we've
we've
in
the
Shred.
H
Let
me
tell
you
that
the
big
picture
of
what
all
that
was
going
to
be.
That
was
what
people
concentrated
on.
Let
me
tell
you:
it
was
not
clear
in
the
time
that
I
participated
in
all
that
that
we
were
making
a
no
parking
on
the
grass
and
that
that
was
going
to
be
forever,
and
you
know
what.
If
we
made
that
plan,
we
also
made
a
plan
that
we
were
going
to
have
a
bathroom
there.
H
Is
that
I
mean
there's,
there's
easy:
it's
not
hard
to
park
there,
it's
easy
to
park
there
and
it's
and
it
and
it's
not
dangerous
and
it
doesn't
tear
up
the
grass
and
you
know
what
the
people
and
their
spirit
and
the
use
of
the
park
is
more
important
than
grass.
Surely
everybody
give
me
that
one
I
mean
we
play
football
on
grass
and
it
gets
torn
up?
We
fix
it
again.
H
We
do
all
kinds
of
things
on
grass
that
gets
torn
up
that
to
me
this,
what
I
hear
you
say
and
putting
it
off,
and
at
least
let
us
have
this
attempt
at
Murli.
If
it's
a
problem
then
will
redress
it
and
stop
it,
but
but
it's
hurting
right
now
we
are.
We
are
a
specter
of
the
guitar
army
and
the
music
in
the
park
that
used
to
be
seriously.
If
you
don't
know
that
you
haven't
been,
we
are
a
specter
of
it.
It
used
to
be
vibrant,
and
it's
just
clinging
on
right
now.
D
B
B
Also,
since
the
time
that
it
first
started
times
have
changed,
we
no
longer
live
in
the
innocent
age,
where
we
can
ignore
potential
liabilities
the
municipalities
face
when
you
have
gathering
of
people
and
public
facilities.
We
are
already
pregnant
with
liability
from
the
standpoint
that
you
know,
I've
heard
that
we
have
facilitated
over
the
years
this
group
by
keeping
the
bathrooms
open
by
turning
off
the
sprinklers.
B
There
is
an
increasingly
more
difficult
opportunity
for
us
to
tell
the
next
organization
that
they
can't
have
the
same
opportunities
and
if
that
next
organization
happens
to
be
an
organization
whose
message
we
don't
particularly
care
for
as
much
as
we
care
for
the
guitar
army,
then
we're
finding
ourselves
your
legal
litigation
situation
so
I
understand
the
resistance
to
organize.
But
this
is
not
the
50s
and
60s
anymore.
B
F
Think
it's
realistic,
but
I
mean
I,
understand
the
liability
situation.
I
just
wish.
There
was
a
way
that
we
could
accommodate
them.
They
have
been
with
us
for
30
years.
They
bring
a
lot
of
people
into
our
community
on
a
weekly
basis.
Those
people
go
to
our
restaurants,
they
shop
in
our
shops
and
they
use
our
park
for
recreational
Thursday
nights
and
Tuesday
nights
now
and
it's
just
it
seems
like
we're,
not
accommodating
people
realistically
and
I
it.
So
it's
a
very,
very
difficult
decision
to
have
to
make
I
just
wish.
E
Directly
or
indirectly,
this
city
has
subsidized
other
venues
of
arts,
for
example
the
visual
arts
center.
They
get
a
very
favorable
rental
on
a
city
building,
but
they
are
a
a
formalised
organization
that
has
an
umbrella
okay.
So
the
question
would
be
the
possibility.
The
question
I
would
pose
is:
is
there
such
an
organization
such
as
a
and
I'm,
just
just
because
they
just
first
came
to
my
mind
with
it?
Would
there
be
some
kind
of
community
organization
that
has
a
has
an
umbrella
that
could
take
this
project
in
under
their
umbrella?
E
I
H
J
B
To
clarify
I'm,
not
saying
that
can't
park
on
the
grass
I'm
saying
they
should,
if
you're,
if
you
feel
like
it's
appropriate
for
them
to
park
on
the
grass
either
just
for
the
musicians
or
the
musicians
and
the
and
the
patrons.
That's
fine.
But
let's
do
it
by
way
of
a
permit
so
that
we
have
to.
We
don't
have
to
allow
everyone
who
wants
to
park
on
the
grass
Park
on
the
ground
to
charge
for
that.
Do.
J
J
D
D
I
Yes,
sender,
boards
and
committees,
starting
with
vacancies,
we
have
an
unexpired
term
as
an
alternate
on
the
building
board
and
annexed
unexpired
term
as
an
alternate
on
the
code
enforcement
board
under
nominations.
We
have
two
three-year
terms:
these
are
for
the
non-hp,
a
B
member
seats
on
the
donation,
Review
Committee.
We
have
three
applicants
for
nomination,
nominate
all.
A
F
A
F
E
D
C
D
D
H
J
H
Peace
River
revival,
I
hope
all
of
y'all
come
out
to
that
we're
bringing
national
acts.
These
guys
are
bringing
national
acts
in
here,
big
names
and
they're.
Only
the
only
thing
that
I've
questioned
their
judgment
is
they
asked
Michael's
Hibiscus
band
to
be
in
it
and
so
I'm,
the
only
local
band
in
it.
We're
on
at
three
o'clock.
Please
come
in
April
7th
I'll
be
working
on
a
song
for
you
probably.
G
Niles
gateway
point
District,
two
with
your
idea:
I
promise
I
won't
sing
with
my
voice,
but
the
question
I
have
today
is
going
to
be
coming
up
and
it's
going
to
be
an
issue.
That's
going
to
be
significant
and
you've
dealt
with
it
just
last
year
last
meeting
and
that
has
to
do
with
the
height
of
the
buildings
in
downtown
and
I've
done.
G
One
of
the
things
when
I
saw
on
the
presentation
that
you
you
had
at
the
last
meeting
as
it
showed.
If
you
went
up
to
the
seven
stories
that
it
would
be
looking
this
way,
it
would
be
so
many
this
way
and
then
cut
in
so
that
you
get
a
bigger
view.
Looking
down
this
way,
well,
I
was
trying
to
look
at
it.
Well,
what
would
the
view
be
if
you
looked
at
it
from
across
the
street,
and
the
closest
thing
I
could
come
up
was?
G
Is
that
Plaza
del
Sol,
which
I
think
it
used
to
be
the
US
Steel
building
and
when
you
look
it
for
the
height
on
that
that's
85
feet,
and
that's
that
big
building
that
for
condominiums
that
you
just
go
over
when
you're
going
on
over
to
the
Isles,
Yacht,
Club
and
you're,
going
on
over
that
way
to
PGI
crossing?
That
bridge
is
just
on
the
right-hand
side.
It's
that
big
white
building.
G
If
you
count
the
floors,
it
says
six,
if
you
count
them,
but
the
top
has
the
swimming
pool
on
it,
so
they
I
guess
that
gets
the
seventh
seven
storeys
and
I'm,
just
I
tried
to
picture
that
and
move
that
in
downtown
Punta
Gorda.
Just
for
that
spot
and
I
do
kind
of
have
a
concern
on
that
height
of
a
building
down
there
in
that
particular
location.
G
The
other
question
that
of
some
research
I
was
doing
was
looking
at
from
the
owners
viewpoint
who
purchased
that
particular
lot
group
that
lot
and
it
was
purchased
back
in
2003
and
they
paid
three
three
million
four
hundred
sixty
nine
thousand
dollars
so
about
3.4
million,
and
if
you
go
on
the
MSL
of
what
they
want
to
sell
it
for
now,
it's
C
as
in
Charlie.
Seventy
two,
forty
five,
nine.
Eighty:
five.
G
If
you
want
to
look
up
what
the
MLS
number
is
and
they're
posting
that
for
nine
million
four
hundred
thousand
so
nine
point
four.
So
that's
a
gain
of
six
million
dollars
there,
heck
of
a
lot
better
than
I
did
with
my
two
lights
and
deep
creek
that
I'm
still
trying
to
sell
so
I'm
just
asking
one,
and
it
was
spent
on
the
market
a
hundred
and
nineteen
days
unless
they
sold
it
this
weekend
and
I
guess
I'm
done.
K
Nick
Nemec
again
real
quick,
so
I
do
not
have
the
luxury
of
doing
events
for
free
I
do
have
to
fill
out.
My
permits
I
do
have
to
get
insurance,
however,
I
don't
have
the
tradition.
I
don't
have
the
heritage
of
the
guitar
army
I
also
do
it
for
profit
and
I
also
do
it
for
charity
guitar
ami.
As
far
as
I
understand
it's
not
for
profit,
there's
no
money
being
exchanged,
there's
nothing
in
that
regard.
K
The
procedures
are
real
and
you're
right.
You
know,
we've
we've
been
through
litigation
because
of
our
festivals,
so
it
does
happen
and
the
one
suggestion
I
had
while
I'm
sitting
here
or
thought
was
number
one,
because
it's
in
Gilcrest
Park
it's
a
limited
park
anyway
in
fest.
In
events
you
know
just
because
of
the
regulation
of
what's
required
on
the
application.
So
with
that
being
said,
is
there
a
way
again
to
provide
them
a
permit?
That
would
give
them
that
day
or
days
of
the
week?
That
would
be
a
continual
permit.
K
That
would
be
just
you
know,
that's
what
it
is.
So
they
apply
for
the
year
at
a
minimal
charge
or
whatever
charge
it
is
they
got
to
come
up
with
that
money
at
some
point,
okay,
for
whatever
that
charge
is,
and
also
since
it's
being
held
at
Gilcrest
Park,
which
is
a
city
park.
Is
there
a
way
to
possibly
get
them
on
as
an
additional
insurer
with
the
city
if
they
were
able
to
come
up
with
the
funds
to
be
able
to
go
on
as
an
additional
injury?
K
I
know,
it
doesn't
cost
a
lot
to
add
somebody
on
as
an
additional
tree.
It
also
helps
spread
out
the
liability
on
a
standpoint
of
favoritism
I,
get
that
part
and
I
see
that
the
city
doesn't
want
to
take
on
maybe
favoritism
in
that
direction.
But
it's
just
a
thought
in
terms
of
if
we
do
need
them
to
have
insurance
and
we
do
need
them
to
have
formal
application
status.
Maybe
those
are
two
thoughts.
That's
all
I
got
that's
a
long.
L
Just
wanted
to
thank
the
council
for
considering
all
the
comments
and
input
what
I
didn't
hear
today.
This
gentleman
was
any
compromise
in
terms
of
you
know,
really
laying
out
what
is
the
issue
here.
Is
it
the
fact
that
people
are
unable
to
physically
get
to
listen
to
the
to
the
music?
You
know
to
get
from
the
parking
facility
to
the
location.
Is
that
the
issue?
L
If
so,
then
there
can
be
some
sort
of
transport
or
something
to
help
people
get
from
one
place
to
the
other,
or
is
it
the
fact
that
they
just
want
to
drive
their
cars
unique?
You
know
you
uniquely
where
no
one
else
really
gets
to
do
that.
We
don't
do
that
at
lashley.
We
don't
let
people
just
drive
all
over
the
park
and
we're
pushing
back
on
letting
the
knuckleballers
do
that
too.
So
I
think
if
you
break
it
down
into
its
components,
you
know
what
really
is
the
issue?
L
L
You
know
I
there.
There
is
a
liability
aspect
to
people
being
able
to
both
use
the
park
for
walking
for
sitting
for
whatever
and
having
cars
maneuver
around
and
turning
around
and
backing
up
and
such
so
if
people
are
sitting
listening
to
music
and
they've
got
their
chairs
and
blankets
out
and
people
are
need
to
leave
early
in
the
they're
pulling
their
cars
out
and
people
are
sitting
there.