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From YouTube: City Councl Meeting 05-01-19 Part 2
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A
Area
every
year,
as
it
tends
to
show
Lin
and
as
long
as
we
have
that,
then
we
could
seek
FEMA
reimbursement
if
something
actually
happens.
So
once
we
have
that
survey,
it
will
then
tell
us
if
we
need
to
do
that
dredging
in
2021
and
then
we
could
adjust
the
budget
during
the
middle
of
our
next
budget
cycle,
but
it
is
for
maintenance
of
alligator
Creek
only.
It
is
not
any
of
the
other
canals.
A
C
A
Next
year,
the
rate
would
have
more
than
doubled
for
the
people
that
are
in
it,
because
we
have
that
dredging
project
coming
up.
No
I
will
say
that
we
would
readjust
the
rate
and
I'm
confident
that
it
will
go
down
I.
Just
at
this
point
in
time,
not
knowing
until
I
have
that
next
survey
to
see
what
the
next
dredge
will
cost.
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A
C
A
C
B
D
In
the
process
of
going
through
the
assessment
process
for
Buckley's
past,
we
had
a
church
that
had
an
unusual
number
of
assessments
then
would
created
burden.
This
wouldn't
obviously
create
the
same
amount
of
burden,
but
would
but
this
something
that
the
county
would
also
be
considering
to
give
this
particular
church
relief.
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D
A
D
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E
E
B
B
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E
B
D
D
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G
B
A
resident
Bret
Stiles,
let
me
explain
myself,
might
when
I
pay
the
burnt
store
aisles,
Canal
assessment,
that
is,
for
the
maintenance
of
the
burn
store,
Al's
Canal
District
system,
the
entrance
from
a
legate
from
the
point
where
the
bread
store
aisles,
Canal
meats,
alligator
Creek,
on
into
burn
store
aisles.
So
that's
what
my
assessment
covers.
Oh
so,.
B
This
for
me
to
get
out
to
the
harbor
I
have
to
go
out
alligator
Creek.
This
is
for
the
maintenance
of
alligator
Creek,
strictly
alligator
Creek,
that
is
the
county
MSB
you,
and
if
there
is
no
assessment,
if
the
alligator
could
get
sholde
in,
we
can't
go
out.
So
we
as
resident,
who
have
access
to
and
use
alligator
Creek
pay
an
assessment
to
the
county
to
maintain
alligator
Creek
for
safe
navigation.
G
D
A
baby,
an
illustration:
if
I
understand
it
correctly,
this
is
almost
as
if
it's
a
County
Road,
a
road
owned
by
the
county
that
just
happens
to
go
through
Punta
Gorda.
So
in
that
particular
case,
our
county
tax
has
maintained
that
road
mm-hmm,
even
though
both
sides
of
the
street
could
be
put
to
Gordon.
That
would
be,
as
this
is
basically
a
thoroughfare.
That's
a
County
thoroughfare
that
put
two
Gorda
residents.
You
have
access
to
and
use
so
basically,
this
is
coming
out
of
our
County
obligation
of
the
taxes
not
holistic.
In.
B
The
courthouse
canal
assessment
district
today,
all
of
the
canal
assessment,
these
pay
for
the
maintenance
of
all
of
the
entrances
and
or
exits
to
the
harbor
and
burn
storehouse.
We
don't
have
a
direct
access
to
the
harbor
without
going
through
alligator
Creek.
So,
even
though
we
pay
a
maintenance
fee,
just
like
a
like
plan
to
go
to
Isles
canal
assessment
district
to
maintain
our
canal
system,
we
also
have
to
pay
into
the
MSB
you
to
maintain
alligator
Creek,
okay,
okay
or
we
can't
get
out
so
this.
B
C
B
A
A
B
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D
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D
B
B
H
B
D
J
I
B
K
Is
CP
0
1
19,
which
is
the
second
reading
of
an
ordinance
that
I'll
read
by
title
only
in
order
to
of
the
City
Council
of
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda
Florida
amending
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda,
Comprehensive,
Plan,
future
land
use
map
to
include
newly
annexed
lands
amending
the
future
land
use
map
to
reflect
the
change
in
the
current
designations
of
commercial
/
County
urban
village.
This
last
City
for
0.64
acre
a
parcel
of
land
lying
within
lot.
K
I
B
K
C
B
K
B
I
B
B
D
B
Back
in
session-
and
the
first
thing
we'll
start
off
with
is
the
consent
agenda
start
off
with
citizen's
comment
on
consent:
agenda
items:
that's
the
approval
of
minutes,
donation
of
surplus,
City
computers,
a
monthly
litigation
report,
invoice
invoices
from
attorneys,
a
resolution,
the
City
Council
or
the
Charlotte
Harbor
National
estuary
program
and
two
items
for
the
police
department.
Any
citizens
comments
you
have
three
minutes
come
to
the
podium.
B
F
B
I
C
K
K
The
statute
of
limitations
would
apply
to
when
the
case
was
actually
filed,
but
not
with
respect
to
once
it's
filed,
there's
no
statute
of
limitations.
There
is
it,
there's
a
requirement
that
the
case
be
moved
along
by
the
by
the
plaintiff,
the
one
filing
and
if
it
languishes
more
than
a
year,
the
court
will,
on
its
own,
ask
why
it
shouldn't
be
dismissed
and
if
you
don't
do
a
record
filing
a
pleading
of
some
sort
within
a
year's
time,
the
court
will
dismiss
the
case.
Okay,.
C
K
C
K
There
are
ways
to
get
it
brought
forward
quicker,
but
really
it's
the
plaintiffs
obligation
to
bring
it
forward
and
and
if
they
don't
bring
it
forward
within
the
year's
time
the
case
will
DBT
will
be
dismissed
so
for
a
general
general
strategy
for
defense
counsel,
our
counsel
to
try
to
get
it
before
the
court
during
that
year's
time.
It's
kind
of
shooting
ourselves
in
the
foot.
B
B
So
we'll
move
to
the
regular
agenda
and
we
will
entertain
citizens
comments
on
regular
agenda
items.
Only
there
are
seven
items
under
the
budget
that
you
can
can
discuss.
I'll
just
keep
it
short
and
brief,
like
that
we
have
a
Gilchrist
Bridge,
mural
area,
fence,
request
and
executive
homes,
construction
sign
requests
for
the
carmelita
duplexes.
Please
come
to
the
podium,
and
you
have
three
minutes
good
morning.
L
Sabbatini
for
the
record
and
Howard
my
apologies,
because
I
didn't
have
enough
time
to
do
all
my
research
before
now
or
I
would
have
probably
talked
to
you
about
this
offline.
But
it's
regarding
item
C
award
of
Master
Agreement
for
engineering
design,
services,
alternative
C
wall
materials,
studying
design.
L
L
We
will
evaluate
the
development
of
a
sea
wall
replacement,
forecast
to
assess
reliability
for
predicting
future
C,
where
all
we
placement
requirements
and
inform
city
budgeting
and
planning
efforts,
tailor
engineering
will
leverage
the
city's
available
information
to
consider
and
develop
an
analysis
to
evaluate
predict
and
visualize
repair
and
replacement
requirements.
Such
a
forecasting
analysis
should
help
define
the
typical
longevity
for
existing
sea
walls
and
identify
potential
trigger
points
for
action.
So
I
immediately
went
to
I
think
this
is
more
than
the
title.
I
know
you
can't
put
a
lot
of
stuff
in
a
title.
L
This
looks
like
we're
actually
going
to
hire
a
consulting
firm
to
possibly
manage
and
take
care
of
our
sea
walls,
and
so
my
question
was:
is
that
really
what
we're
going
to
do
and
I
hope
Council
will
discuss
this
and
try
and
determine
and
clarify
what
the
$78,000
is
actually
going
to
do
for
us?
Thank
you.
Thank.
J
Let
you
know
the
piece
of
Raleigh
Center
is
more
than
happy
to
absorb
half
of
that
cost,
because
we
do
feel
that
the
potential
change
of
the
velocity
zone
would
benefit
not
only
the
city
and
the
construction
of
this
restroom,
but
also
the
wildlife
center
in
the
construction
of
its
public
facility
building.
So
I
just
wanted
to
reassure
you
that
that
is
something
that
we're
more
than
happy
to
partake
in
and
thank.
B
F
Good
morning,
Kelly
geiler
from
the
Punta
Gorda
historic
mural
society,
we're
asking
for
your
support
to
approve
the
Gilchrist
Bridge
mural,
airy
fence,
request
request.
It
pertains
to
the
retaining
wall
along
the
harbor
walk.
We
are
currently
painting
the
new
mural
I
wanted
to
provide
further
clarification
on
the
write-up
on
this
item.
This
wall
was
an
attraction
to
folks
long
before
we
started
the
mural.
F
This
is
a
picture
of
the
wall
prior
to
the
start
of
the
mural,
and
it
has
a
long
history
of
folks,
climbing
and
sitting
on
it
witnessed
by
the
number
of
residents
have
seen
that,
as
also
by
the
amount
of
graffiti
that
was
often
left
behind.
You
can
see
in
this
picture
that
the
back
wall,
and
also
the
ceiling
were
the
prime
locations
for
the
graffiti.
F
During
my
frequent
visits
to
the
mural
prior
to
the
start
of
this
wall
prior
to
the
mural
start,
I
noticed
that,
just
as
soon
as
the
city
painted
over
the
graffiti
more
would
show
up,
the
good
news
is
that
once
we
started
painting
the
mural,
the
graffiti
has
stopped
and
we
think
that
will
be
the
case
going
forward.
We
still
do
feel
that
this
wall
will
continue
to
attract
climbers
and
skateboarders.
That
would
present
a
number
of
safety
issues.
F
The
down
slope
of
the
embankment
walls
on
both
ends,
as
well
as
the
slope
of
that
front
wall
cap,
provide
a
very
easy
way
for
folks
to
climb
onto
the
wall
and
is
a
natural
attraction
to
children
as
well
as
skateboarders
as
they
approach
this
wall
from
both
ends
of
the
harbor
walk,
also,
the
height
of
the
wall
and
the
bridge.
The
distance
between
the
two
is
only
49
inches
on
the
east
side
and
the
front
row.
It's
a
37
inch
drop
to
the
walkway.
We
feel
both
of
these
create
a
potential
safety
issue.
F
Another
is
the
potential
trip
hazard
caused
by
the
embankment
walls,
as
seen
here,
especially
on
these
on
this
west
wall.
When
they
come
down
the
steps
from
walking
across
the
bridge
and
they
go
to
meet
the
harbor
walk
in
working
with
the
urban
design,
it
was
initially
suggested
that
the
skateboard
stoppers
be
added
to
the
front
wall.
In
addition
to
maybe
fencing
on
both
ends
to
address
these
issues,
but
after
further
discussion,
we
were
able
to
jointly
design
a
simpler
fence,
design
that
eliminated
the
need
for
the
stoppers
resulting
in
significant
cost
savings.
F
The
fence
design
is
being
proposed
for
your
approval
today
incorporates
bollards
and
I'm
just
going
to
show
you
this
picture
here.
These
ballots
are
already
out
on
site
today,
they're
being
used
today
on
the
west
end
is
and
then
on
the
east
end.
We
also
have
there's
a
picture
one
light
post,
which
is
a
similar
design,
there's
actually
two
on
that
side,
so
we
feel
using
the
bollard
design
in
the
proposal
will
blend
in
nicely
with
the
existing
structure,
and
we
hope
you
will
consider
this.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
M
Good
morning
morning,
Mary
and
pace
procurement
manager
for
the
record,
this
is
a
request
for
approval
of
an
interlocal
agreement
between
the
Southwest
Florida
Regional
Planning
Council,
for
two
thousand
dollars
to
review
the
city's
climate
adaptation.
Final
report
update
for
the
Charlotte
Harbor
national
estuary
program.
This.
B
B
D
B
M
Maryann
paced
procurement
manager-
this
is
a
request
to
approve
to
contract
change,
orders
only
change
order,
one
for
the
structural
assessment
and
design
for
the
seawall
caps
and
boardwalk
fishing
piers
at
Ponce
de
Leon
Park,
and
then
also
for
the
same
project.
A
study
and
application
for
the
Lomer.
We
have
pulled
the
utility
water
main
replacement,
a
sewer
extension
from
this
request
for
further
staff
review,
we'd.
B
H
N
So,
as
we
all
know,
it's
voting
recreation
and
education
at
the
park
because
of
the
Peace
River
Wildlife
Center
needing
to
move
them
into
the
park.
We
need
to
account
for
the
existing
recreational
activities
as
well
as
parking
and
hopefully
improve
those
facilities,
the
restrooms,
the
picnic,
pavilion,
barbecue
areas
etc.
N
N
N
So
in
why
we're
engineering
initial
site
visit?
We
walked
the
entire
park
with
city
staff
and
the
engineers,
and
they
had
some
significant
concerns
related
to
the
boardwalk
and
fishing
piers
that
exist
on
site
and
also
the
seawall,
so
what
they
saw
in
the
boardwalk
and
fishing
piers
was
spalling
and
cracking
of
concrete
pilings
water
rot
and
fungal
decay
and
wood,
and
there
were
some
significant
ata
compliance
issues,
probably
just
due
to
the
age
of
the
bridge
of
the
construction
on
the
seawall.
They
noted
that
there
were
exposed
tie
backs.
N
There
are
missing
panels
and
there
is
significant
erosion
that
occurs.
They
found
regularly
behind
the
seawall
in
the
portion
where
there
are
missing
panels,
literally
there's
riprap
and
a
seawall
cap,
and
there
are
no
sea
wall
panels,
so
looks
like
a
seawall.
If
you're
standing
on
the
beach
is
actually
not
a
seawall
Wow,
it's
just
a
counter.
Remember
so,
for
the
engineering
of
those
two
design
components.
B
H
B
N
To
reduce
building
construction
costs
for
both
the
Peace
River
Wildlife
visitor
center
and
the
city's
restaurant
million
from
staff
perspective,
this
would
have
no
go
request
if
re-engineered
as
if
the
seawall
does
need
to
be
re-engineered.
It's
a
completely
invalid
to
look
at
those
proposed
engineering
conditions
and
see
if
they,
if
they
have
positive
impact
on
the
flood
risk
in
this
area.
So
the
initial,
so
the
lomar
process
is
there's
an
initial
feasibility
study
portion
of
this
and
then
there's
the
Lomo
application
phase.
B
D
N
B
H
C
O
Morning,
Anne
Heineman
procurement,
before
you
have
you
have
consideration
of
an
award
of
a
Master
Agreement
for
engineering
and
design
services
for
alternative
seaworld
materials.
The
specific
authorization
one
is
for
the
initial
study.
The
ESC
committee
reviewed
three
submittals
and
shortlisted
the
firm's
tailor
engineering
lot.
Engineering
and
Jay
foster
consulting
the
total.
The
the
ESA
Committee
ranked
tailor
engineering
selected
them
to
enter
into
negotiations
with
procurement,
the
total
cost
of
specific
authorization.
H
O
H
H
H
So
you
know,
we've
received
some
questions
as
to
we're
rebuilding
ten
plus
miles
of
sea
walls.
We
we
have
a
technique
that
has
been
strengthened
over
the
years
acted
over
the
years.
Why
would
we
do
this?
Well
again,
it's
a
good
question.
It's
part
of
our
strategic
plan,
the
canal
maintenance
districts.
Just
you
know,
discuss
this
and
they'll.
You
know.
Maybe
there
are
some
other
techniques
out
there.
H
C
P
Morning
and
one
of
the
things
that
led
to
this,
if
you
remember
the
discussion,
we're
running
out
of
vacant,
lots
in
Concord
aisles
and
birth
trials,
and
so
the
questions
staffs
looked
at
canal
maintenance,
Weiser
II
committee,
as
well
as
City
Council.
What
are
we
gonna?
Do
we're
running
out
of
lots?
Is
there
technology
out
there
that
we
don't
need
as
many
staging
area
lots?
Is
there
a
composite
material
that
with
manpower
we
can
bring
the
panels
between
homes
and
with
the
crane
and
the
water?
We
don't
need
as
many
vacant
lots.
P
So
this
was
one
of
the
major
things
that
led
to
this
as
well
as
it's
good
practice
to
evaluate
your
your
construction
methods
every
so
many
years
to
make
sure
there's
not
technology
that
you're
being
left
behind
or
or
new
new
types
of
rebar
that
you
can
put
in
your
concrete
or
new
concrete
that
that's
better
than
what
we're
using.
So,
just
good
practice
to
do
that.
P
P
The
one
specific
question
about
the
G
is
that
that
was
in
the
packet
that
the
restaurant
brought
up
is
our
in-house
staff
Gary
Disher
of
mark
earing.
They
develop
a
program
in-house
with
those
GIS
and
evaluating
our
sea
walls,
can't
give
them
enough
kudos
it's
it's
amazing
what
they
accomplished,
and
so
what
what
you're
reading
in
this
proposal
is
another
set
of
eyes.
P
We
just
had
her
mow
all
that
data
has
been
collected
and
put
into
our
program
that
our
staff,
Gary
and
Mark
have
developed
so
you're
going
to
get
a
firm
who's
going
to
look
at
our
last
several
years
of
evaluation.
What
just
happened
with
Irma
and
to
evaluate
it?
Is
there
something
maybe
of
a
piece
we're
missing
something
we
can
do
better
or
are
we
right
on
target-
and
you
know
just
continue
the
course.
B
D
H
B
D
P
H
D
I
recall
conversation
we
had
in
chambers
you
and
I
once
about
three
years
ago
about
the
different
quality
of
rebar,
that's
available
today
with
the
different
coatings,
and
there
were
back
in
1960
when
my
lot
was
developed,
etc,
they're,
more
corrosion
resistant
and
then
when
rebar
does
corrode
it
expands
and
that
causes
concrete
to
fail.
There's
also
large
improvements
in
the
chemistry's
of
various
concrete's.
D
C
Look
at
it
a
little
differently,
I
personally,
don't
think
that
we
should
do
this,
and
the
reason
why
is
we
have
a
system
that
is
not
broken?
Fema
has
supported
us
on
our
decision
to
build
the
the
sea
walls
the
way
we
build
them.
They
have
backed
us
every
step
of
the
way
and
we
have
made
all
of
our
seawall
system
much
more
strong
and
resilient
and
long-lasting
from
all
that.
C
We've
learned
through
the
hurricane
irma
project
and
I
see
that
it's
one
thing
to
be
proactive
and
constantly
looking
for
other
ways
to
to
further
enhance
our
seawall
system,
but
for
consistency's
sake,
I,
don't
want
to
see
anything
change.
We
pride
ourselves
on
having
this
wonderful
canal
system
throughout
both
of
our
communities
and
PGI
and
BSI,
and
to
then
bring
in
alternate
materials
and
have
inconsistencies
with
the
way
they
look.
I
just
don't
support
that
I.
C
C
If
you
look
at
other
communities
where
individual
property
owners
owned
and
maintained
their
sea
walls-
and
they
have
different
kinds
of
sea
walls-
I
don't
like
the
way
it
looks
and
I
would
not
want
us
to
have
that
kind
of
a
look
in
our
community
I
think
we
should
spend
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
making
the
consistency
be
part
of
our
whole
overall
and
result.
And
this
bothers
me
a
lot
mayor.
L
G
P
What
we're
doing
was
a
conversation
held
by
staff
canal
maintenance,
advisory
committees
as
well
as
City
Council.
A
lot
of
this
came
out
of
we're
running
out
of
vacant
lots
staging
areas
for
the
sea
wall
panels,
hundreds
of
them
you've
seen
them
over
the
last
year
or
so.
The
the
conversation
was
is
to
look
at
getting
a
consultant
to
look
at
new
composite
type
materials
and.
P
For
the
design
of
that,
we
don't
have
staff
in-house
to
accomplish
that.
We
have
one
city
engineer
and
we
have
a
handful
of
people
in
engineering.
We
don't
have
the
staff
to
put
together
a
design
and
of
this
magnitude
to
put
together
for
City
Council.
We
just
don't
have
it,
we
don't
have
the
staffing
to
do
it.
Okay,.
I
H
I
If
we
don't
have
the
best
engineering
advice
available
to
our
staff
so
that
we
can
be
on
top
of
this
I
just
think
that
we
are
really
jeopardizing
the
city
I
I,
don't
think
we
should
play
with
this.
I
mean
we
are
third
seem
ball
or
a
third
of
our
city
has
to
deal
with
sea
walls,
and
so
the
fact
that
we're
not
gonna
actually
have
the
best
technology.
We're
gonna
have
available
to
us.
I
think
that
that
would
be
foolhardy
I.
B
You
know
just
about
to
councilmember
Matthews
comment
about
the
appearance.
I
think
I've
had
residents
comment
to
me
that
they
want
to
see
consistency
of
appearance
regardless
of
the
technology,
so
that
it's
not
as
we
don't
want
to
see
too
much
to
be
a
shoe.
I
agree:
I've
been
in
communities
where
everyone
has
their
own
seawall
and
it's
some
piece
of
very
it's
a
mess,
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that
people
when
they
come
here
they
go
wow.
This
is
really
nice.
Everything
looks
the
same.
B
D
Just
wanna,
say
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we
can
do
as
a
council
is.
We
can
set
that
onus
on
saying
that
we
want
consistency
in
in
aesthetic
appearance,
but
what
I'm
also
gathering
from
this
conversation
and
bear
me
out
if
I'm,
not
correct,
Rick,
but
we're
talking
about
looking
at
technologies
that
can
extend
the
life
of
a
seawall
and
one
of
the
things
we're
talking
about
is
putting
a
panel
behind
an
existing
seawall.
D
P
D
The
idea
of
digging
a
trench,
if
you
will
behind
an
existing
seawall
that
has
some
age
to
it,
and
a
potential
for
failure
under
another
mo
type
situation
and
to
be
able
to
put
a
composite
panel
in
there
cover
it
up
with
dirt,
and
it
doesn't
change
anything
that
would
allow
us
and
to
be
proactive
and
and
maintain
the
integrity
of
our
sea
walls.
So
there's
various
levels
of
technology
here.
D
What
I
certainly
agree,
I,
wouldn't
want
to
have
somebody
put
bright
red,
concrete
cap
next
to
my
my
house
or
or
to
do
what
we
and
actually
that's
a
place
where
we
may
even
to
be
able
to
experiment,
is
in
ponse
where
we've
got
a
cap
over
riprap.
Maybe
this
is
an
area
where
we
can.
We
can
also
kind
of
use
that
as
almost
our
own
type
of
evaluation,
if
you
will,
but
as
an
industrial
consultant,
you
will
often
what
could
you
have
very
competent
bright
clients.
D
Our
staff
is
a
good
example
of
that,
but
sometimes
your
when
you're
in
the
middle
of
the
forest,
an
eye
outside
just
sees
the
trees
in
a
little
bit
different
hue
and
can
give
a
little
bit
different,
different
path
of
direction.
To
consider
you
don't
have
to
do
it
and
it
may
be
better
or
may
not,
but
at
least
you're
gonna
adapt
that
so
I
think
that
conceptually
we
should
go
forward
to
evaluate
the
various
different
types
of
technologies.
D
We
burden
our
staff
overly
right
now,
I
want
to
go
back
to.
What
we
know
is
is
we're
running
at
one
point,
four
versus
one
point:
eight
that
we
did
prior
to
2008
we're
getting
as
I
said
earlier,
a
lot
of
bang
for
our
buck
on
our
staff.
I
think
that
sometimes
we
have
to
bite
the
bullet
of
we're
either
gonna.
D
Maybe
we
can
put
two
more
engineers
to
work
with
with
you
guys
on,
and
and
do
it
that
way,
or
you
have
a
specific
spot,
that
you
hire
a
consultant
to
fill
that
plug
with
you,
and
you
use
your
staff
then
to
evaluate
that
information
rather
than
to
create
that
information
I
think
that's
a
much
more
efficient
way
to
go.
Personally,
you.
B
Might
want
to
comment
on
council
member
Kerry's
question
I
know
that
you're
very
active
with
the
American
Public
Works
Administration,
probably
other
engineering
organizations
and
I,
know
ourselves.
When
we
go
to
meetings.
We
we
get
a
lot
of
information,
but
we
still
might
not
know
what
to
do
with
that
information.
So
comment
if
you
will
and
how
the
value
of
having
the
consultant
help
you
with
this.
When
you
are
exposed
to
a
lot
of
this
information,
good.
Q
Morning,
mark
caring
City,
Engineer
I
liken
this
to
the
case
of
visiting
your
family
physician
and
then
going
to
recommending
you
see
a
specialist
I
had
one
class
in
concrete
in
college
20-something
odd
years
ago.
There's
lots
of
things
that
are
happening
in
concrete,
there's
seminars
all
over
the
country
all
the
time
we
don't
have
the
luxury
of
affording
to
go
off
to
Vegas
for
a
week
in
the
spring,
and
all
these
other
things
that
go
on
so
I'm,
not
a
specialist
in
concrete
I
know
just
enough
to
keep
us
floating
along.
Q
We
did
this
one
of
these
studies
ten
years
ago
for
his
around
$60,000
ten
years
ago,
so
I'm
looking
at
this
thinking.
Well,
we
spent
$8,000
a
year
to
stay
up
on
technology
for
a
million
dollar
plus
year
program.
So
it's
really
not
a
very
consultant
heavy
project
that
we're
doing
it's
very
light
with
consultant,
but
I
think
it's
money
very
well
spent
in
in
assuring
that
we're
doing
the
right
thing.
Q
With
this
project
we
don't
have
Charlotte
County,
Engineers
and
Cape
Coral
engineers,
and
all
these
other
engineers
that
I
see
on
a
regular
basis
that
I
can
talk
to
about
sea
walls.
They
don't
take
care
of
sea
walls.
If
we
have
a
road
problem,
I
can
go
talk
to
somebody
at
Charlotte,
County,
that's
a
specialist
and
roads,
and
he
puts
down
80
miles
of
asphalt
a
year.
We
don't
have
anybody
to
talk
to
on
steel.
Also,
we
we
hired
this
firm,
we'll
use
there.
Q
I,
don't
know
how
many
people
in
the
firm,
but
they
have
somebody
who
does
nothing
but
marine
concrete,
that's
his
specialty,
and
when
we
look
at
the
sea
wall
panels,
the
alternative
materials
we've
already
eliminated
the
corrugated
panels
and
all
these
other
things
that
have
whalers
out
in
front
of
them
and
all
that
we're.
Looking
specifically
at
the
smooth
composite
panels
like
we're
used
behind
hurricane
Charlie's,
we've
already
got
those
in
place.
You
look
at
those
other
than
the
fact
that
the
lines
are
about
18
inches
apart.
Q
B
I
One
thing
like
when
I'm
mark
saying
is
that
we're
at
a
point
make
a
trucking
industry
where
we
can
have
things,
look
like
how
we
need
them
to
look
so
aesthetically.
We
definitely
maintain
our
standards,
but
one
part.
One
thing
that
we
cannot
forget
is
effective.
We
don't
have
lots
of
staging.
We've
got
to
do
this
differently.
How
we've
made
how
we
maintain
our
seawall
infrastructure
for
all
the
past
is
not
gonna,
be
how
we're
gonna
maintain
the
future,
because
we're
just
not
gonna
be
able
to
we're,
not
the
land
to
do
so.