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From YouTube: City Council Meeting 08-21-19 Part 2
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B
A
C
A
D
A
Gonna
make
some
adjustments
to
our
agenda
because
council
member
wyne
has
to
leave
at
11:50.
Yes,
so
the
first
thing
we're
gonna
do.
He
would
like
to
be
a
part
of
the
discussion
on
8a.
The
temporary
use
permit
application
by
the
piece
of
a
Wildlife
Center,
as
well
as
for
the
presentation
of
the
septic
to
sewer
master
plan
discussion
and
because
the
new
business
item
is
probably
going
to
take
a
lot
less
time
than
the
septic
sewer.
We're
gonna.
A
F
And
Sony
official
for
the
record
staff
received
a
temporary
use
application
from
the
Peace
River
Wildlife
Center
they're,
looking
to
relocate
their
surgical
center
to
the
building
at
223,
dr.
Martin,
Luther
King,
jr.
Boulevard.
That
is
great.
The
city
of
this
is
own
city
center.
It
does
allow
for
animal
hospitals,
so
the
animal
the
surgical
area
would
be
permitted
by
right
in
the
building.
The
problem
is:
there's
not
sufficient
area
for
the
rehabilitation
of
the
animals
inside
the
building.
C
F
G
G
The
fencing
that
would
be
running
along
the
sidewalk
along
the
road,
Martin
Luther,
King
jr.
Boulevard,
would
not
have
an
access,
entry
or
gated
area
or
yeah
an
entry
gate.
The
gating
would
be
over
here
by
the
parking
lot.
This
would
be
an
OK
running
up
the
right
side
there,
so
I
am
NOT
opposed
whatsoever.
If
the
city
feels
you
know
that
a
little
bit
of
landscaping
to
go
in
to
kind
of
tamper,
the
stark
whiteness
of
the
fence
is
not
something
we
are
opposed
to
it
all.
C
G
We
are
currently
searching
for
property
in
order
to
make
a
permanent
home
for
a
rehabilitation
facility.
We
may
not
need
to
use
this
building
for
three
years.
We
decided
on
three
years
just
to
give
us
a
little
bit
above
her.
We
don't
have
something
built
in
three
years.
I
might
just
go
running
off
screaming
into
the
woods
at
this
point
anyway,
but
at
this
point,
when
we
are
finished
utilizing
this
facility-
and
we
have
found
our
permanent
location
and
built
that
out
all
of
the
materials
on
the
exterior
of
the
building
will
go
with
us.
G
We
will
reuse
and
recycle
the
fencing
material
as
well
as
the
cages
everything
we're
putting
in.
There
is
a
temporary
item
that
will
go
with
us.
So
once
we
have
finished
our
temporary
use
of
this
building,
all
that
will
be
removed
and
it
will
go
back
to
essentially
the
same
condition
that
it's
being
purchased
in
today.
It.
G
Than
likely
not,
it
doesn't
afford
us
the
outside
space
that
we
require
for
our
entire
rehab.
At
this
point,
we're
in
a
position
where
we're
at
technically
coin
splitting
our
rehabilitation
services.
We
will
have
some
rehabilitation
caging
out
at
ponce
park,
the
larger
caging
and
then
this
caging
would
allow
just
for
the
animals
that
are
getting
daily
treatments.
We
would
then
reserve
the
the
park
cages
for
the
ones
that
are
just
kind
of
get
taking
time
getting
healthy
before
their
they're
released
back
into
the
wild.
G
A
H
H
This
consultant
and
the
city
decided
to
piggyback
on
that
contract
and
intervention,
your
local
agreement
with
them
in
June
6th
of
2018.
They
brought
you
the
master
plan
which
was
approved
at
that
time.
So
now
this
is
phase
2,
a
financial
plan
for
moving
forward
with
areas
1
through
3
of
that
master
plan,
which
are
the
most
dense
areas
and
would
have
the
most
impact
after
two
sewers.
So
with
that
I'd
like
to
introduce
David
Young
from
Jones
Edmond.
I
I
So
the
objective
and
the
primary
goal
of
the
project
was
to
collaboratively,
develop
an
initial
15
year
plan
to
implement
an
affordable,
reliable
and
efficient
wastewater
collection
and
treatment
system
for
a
sustainable
environment,
and
this
is
in
parallel
with
what
the
county
is
doing
and
sort
of
right.
Along
with
that
same
mission.
State.
I
I
I
And
now
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
prioritized
areas.
Just
if
we're
not
familiar,
we
have
project
areas,
one
two
and
three,
which
is
what
we'll
be
discussing
from
the
financial
side.
Today,
more
acquiesce
to
drive
and
south
Acme
has
to
drive
the
walk,
we're
going,
the
waterway
improvement
projects
and
those
are
areas
one
and
two
I'm
in
the
South
Korea
villa
drive
area
as
well.
I
You're
looking
at
about
2315
lots
overall
for
the
whole
master
plan,
parcels
that
need
to
be
taken
off
of
septic
or
provided
sewer
in
this
areas
so
area
one
is
about
400
and
480.
We
have
442
in
area
2
and
towed
a
lot
there
in
the
area.
3
is
417,
so
just
around
1200
after
this
first
three
projects,
which,
like
Kristin
said,
is
the.
I
I
So
total
collection
system
costs
and
transmissions
system
talk
cost.
These
are
separated
out.
Basically,
the
collection
system
costs
are
the
laterals
that
are
coming
into
each
of
the
neighborhoods
and
serving
the
houses.
Transmission
system
costs
are
the
force
mains
that
are
taking
it
from
that
collection
since
that
collective
area
and
then
conveying
it
to
either
a
down
stream
lift
station,
which
will
then
convey
it
to
the
to
the
so
we're
talking
that
we've
included
costs
within
this
financial
analysis,
that's
taking
into
account
the
clarity
and
transmission
system.
I
I
J
David
good
morning,
Tony
Harrison's
wrapped
Alice,
a
couple
couple
of
notes,
as
you
can
imagine,
subject
to
sue
or
is
not
inexpensive
at
all.
So
we
realized
that
coming
in
I've,
we've
worked
with
jones
admins
on
the
charlotte
county
master
plan
and
david
his
group
a
couple
years
ago,
I've
been
involved
in
the
Florida
Keys
in
Marin
County
for
better
part
of
twenty
years.
Various
cities
in
the
county
in
40,
Keys,
aqueduct,
Authority,
converting
over
30,000,
subject,
aims
and
packages
to
sewer.
J
We
built
an
interactive
model,
we
concentrated
on
the
first
three
areas.
The
reason
being
is
that
takes
us
the
better
part
of
10
years
three
years:
construction,
each
is
nine
years.
That's
and
we
and
those
are
the
most
feasible
and
then,
after
that
you
know,
everything
would
happen,
but
it's
really
being
able
to
look
in
finances.
First,
three
areas:
in
nine
years
we
built
a
model,
that's
in
staff,
looking
at
options
and
so
forth.
J
Important
when
we
got
involved
in
this
project
is
understanding
what
the
current
condition
of
the
city
of
utility
is
understanding
is
most
of
the
cities
inside
the
city
is
Seward
right
now,
it's
in
for
sure,
okay,
this
area's
outside
the
city,
it's
in
the
county,
they're,
not
City
residents,
but
they
are
in
the
city
utility
area.
We
serve
water.
J
If
and
when
these
are
ever
converted
to
sewer,
they
would
have
an
additional
sewer
bill
on
the
water
bill
similar
to
how
here
exist.
Most
of
you
existing
utility
customers
are
today,
so
it
is
City
utility
operations,
County
County
residents,
county
area
outside
city
limits,
but
within
the
city
to
leave
operations.
We
assumed
that
if,
when
these
areas
would
have
central
sewer
that
they
would
just
have
the
normal
rates
that
you
have
already
published,
it
would
be
outside
the
city
unless
you're
an
X.
J
Some
other
assumptions
is
our
construction.
Implementation
period
is
2021
to
commune
in
fiscal
year
periods.
We
assume
some
annual
inflation
of
3%
there's
some
allowance
for
administrative
costs.
It's
going
to
require,
so
it's
County
residents.
It's
a
regional
solution
on
helping
the
near
shore
water
by
water
quality,
but
the
city
is,
would
have
an
administrative
cost.
So
we
assumed
a
4%
of
construction.
J
I'll
talk
about
more
theirs
in
a
minute,
but
the
important
part
of
this
slide
is
that
items
2,
3,
&
4
are
basically
cost-free.
You
don't
have
to
repay
them
other
than
any
requirements
of
the
grants
or
legislated
appropriate
and
so
forth.
Srf
loans
you'd
have
to
repay
okay,
so
the
repayment
would
primarily
be
through
non
ad
valorem
assessments
to
the
properties
out
of
benefit.
That's
a
typical
way.
Our
approach
to
that
is
to
cap
it
similar
to
what
the
county
looked
at.
J
To
sort
of
have
an
affordability
level
that
provide
some
certainty
of
what
the
property
owner
would
potentially
pay
and
the
rest
would
come
from
other
funding
sources
and
one
that
we've
identified
successfully
used
is
to
say
well
come
and
I'll.
Explain
in
a
minute
is
they
become
a
utility
customer
and
part
of
that
bill?
We
could
put
towards
the
program
because
of
efficiencies
of
having
those
additional
customer,
so
the
important
takeaway
as
SRF
luhan's
need
to
be
repaid.
These
others
don't
David
mentioned
the
various
part
of
the
program
elements.
J
The
one
of
the
most
expensive
parts
is
the
collection
line.
These
are
the
lines
that
that
will
front
the
various
homes
and
properties
out.
There
was
thirty
million
dollars
for
the
first
three
areas.
Over
the
nine
year
period,
we
applied
an
inflation
factor
that
takes
that
30
million
dollars
and
the
future
dollars
is
36.
98
54
shown
here.
So
he
applied.
We've
recognized
that
we
anticipate
inflation.
This
cost
would
go
up
over
time,
36
million
dollars.
J
Then
we
took
that
36
million
dollars
and
said
we
have
transmission
costs
also
of
roughly
11
million
dollars
when
you
played
it.
So
the
total
collection
transmission
is
47
million
900,000.
Then
you
had
administrative
costs.
Your
total
cost
is
just
under
50
million
dollars
shown
here,
49
8
27
now
so
that's
inflated
cost
to
get
areas
1
through
3
done.
The
next
step
is
to
take
those
transmission
costs
and
pull
them
out
of
this
funding
analysis.
J
11
million
dollars
reasonably
pulled
them
out
is
there's
transmission,
are
not
the
lines
in
front
of
residents
and
houses
they're
the
more
regional
lines
to
get
the
sewer
flow
to
your
wastewater
treatment
plants.
Those
lines
not
only
benefit
those
residents
where
you're
putting
the
collection
lines
in,
but
also
has
other
regional
benefits
as
well
for
other
connections
or
other
growth
along
the
city
as
well.
Those
are
funded
from
your
capacity
or
impact
fields.
Okay,
so
we
pulled
them
out
of
here,
because
they're
funded
in
here
program.
J
J
Important
consideration
is
that
not
all
these
slots
are
developed
in
these
areas,
for
example
in
area
one
64
percent
are
developed
area
256
in
area,
369
percent,
roughly
about
65%,
told
the
remaining
are
vacant
right
now.
That's
why
it's
important
for
us
at
least
to
look
at
the
bookends,
if
you
sense
the
bacons
or
don't
assess
the
vacants
and
there's
actually
some
options
in
between
as
well
that
you
just
don't
have
enough
information,
but
we
at
least
want
to
provide
you,
the
bookend,
the
funding
scenarios.
J
So
this
first
and
the
next
couple
slides
are
going
to
conclude
how
the
city
and
the
utility
would
potentially
fund
us
and
I'm
going
to
ship
to
the
customer
portion
in
a
minute,
so
that
thirty
eight
point,
eight
million
dollars
the
first
two
funding
sources
that
we
identified
would
be
future
infrastructure
funds,
sales
tax
funds,
so
not
the
current
infrastructure
fund,
but
the
one
that
potentially
would
be
voted
on
next
year
to
extend.
It
is
a
combination
of
the
county
infrastructure
funds
and
city
infrastructure,
five
to
ten
million
dollars,
each
over
nine
million.
J
The
county
portion-
currently
the
county,
is
collecting
about
eighteen
million
dollars
a
year.
The
purpose
of
this
is
to
bring
the
cost
down
to
the
property
owners
down
to
:,
to
what
the
suit
Charlotte
County.
Sir
master
plan
was
the
city
infrastructure
portion,
which
is
again
about
10
million
dollars.
Welcome.
Anyone
here
would
be
the
differential
in
the
cost
of
doing
a
lower
upfront
cost
of
a
vacuum
system,
but
higher
operating
costs.
J
The
difference
between
doing
that
and
doing
a
gravity
system,
which
is
has
a
little
the
city
infrastructure
tax
would
portion
of
it
will
pick
up
the
difference.
So
is
it
combination
funding
between
the
two
again,
that's
contingent
on
the
infrastructure
funds
going
forward
these
projects
being
included
and
then
another
significant
funding
sources
grants
here
we
assumed
10%
grant
funding
a
3.9
million
right
now.
Subject:
issue
is
very
popular
between
grants
or
operative
funding
from
the
Water
Management,
District
and
other
sources.
J
Grants
seem
to
be
a
little
bit
more
readily
available,
but
there's
a
lot
of
cities
and
counties
out
there
I've
decided,
so
we
assume
10%.
This
is
if
we
assess
the
vacant
properties
and
then
finally,
the
remainder
would
be
through
an
S
or
F
alone.
Fourteen
point:
nine
million
dollars
that
would
be
funded
through
property
assessments
and
some
through
the
rates
and
I'll
go
through
those
that
that's
our
funding
source
over
99
years.
J
The
next
slide
is
what
would
the
funding
source
look
like
if
we
didn't
assess
vacant
properties?
One
simple
way
of
looking
at
it
is:
if
we
had
more
grants
to
help
defer
the
cost
of
vacant
properties
and
assuming
they
didn't
develop,
which
we
would
assume
some
would
and
there's.
Maybe
some
continue
between
them
as
you'd
need,
instead
of
10%
of
grant
funding
at
9.3
million,
and
then
you
just
borrow
less
because
you'd
have
less
properties,
participating
and
repaying
the
debt.
J
So
that's
really,
if
they're
kind
of
the
bookends
between
the
two
options
and
then
the
next
few
slides
just
lay
out
that
there's
funny
scenarios
over
the
nine-year
period
slide.
21
is
the
assessment
of
vacant
properties
with
the
3.9
mini-grants
fourteen
point:
nine
million
of
srf
and
in
the
22
slide.
22
is
no
assessment
of
vacant
properties,
9.3
million
in
grants
and
only
nine
point.
Six
million
of
s
Iraq,
so
they're
sticky
again
are
kind
of
bookends
on
each
of
those
options.
Now
I'm
gonna
shift
over
to
what
does
it
mean
to
the
customer?
J
That's
the
utility
funding
and
one
other
thing
before
I
go
into
that
is
we
took
the
approach
anywhere
we're
not
funding
this
at
the
cost
of
your
existing
utility,
ratepayers
and
so
one
important
element
and
both
of
those
and
in
general,
when
you
do
this,
is
that
it's
an
environmental
solution?
It's
not
it's
utility
solution
to
environmental
issue,
so
we
don't
we're
not
necessarily
going
out
at
the
position
of
well.
J
Let's
raise
utility
rates
of
those
that
already
have
the
infrastructure
to
fund
those
that
without
okay,
so
it's
designed
not
to
harm
your
existing
utility
customers,
but
the
advantage
is
that
you
already
have
utility
infrastructure,
you're,
already
running
a
water
sewer
or
mature
utility
system,
so
you're
already
in
the
business.
So
you
already
have
a
leg
up
on
all
of
this,
and
this
really
takes
advantage
of.
J
So
now
always
an
important
consideration
is:
what's
the
cost
to
the
residence
of
customers.
One
thing
we
look
at
is
affordability,
metrics
one,
that's
been
out
there
for
a
long
time
is
a
percentage
of
median
household
income
and
there's
about
a
hundred
different
ways
of
measuring
this
and
so
forth.
But
if
you
look
at
the
costs
for
a
a
residential
customer,
that
would
be
this
sceptic
to
Syria
area
they're
gonna
have
to
major
cause.
The
first
is
an
assessment
that
would
go
in
the
tax
bill.
J
If
it
gets
assessed
overtime
they
could
pay
it
up
front
or
could
assess
it
over
20
years,
roughly
$59
a
month,
okay,
I'm
gonna
go
through
those
numbers
in
the
subsequent
slide,
but
$59
a
month
for
an
assessment,
and
then
you
have
once
you
have
availability.
Your
water
bill
now
has
a
sewer
component
to
it
as
well,
so
that
would
be
$41
for
thirty
five
hundred
gallons
a
month,
and
we
looked
at
your
utility
bill.
That's
typical
for
those
that
have
both
services.
The
combination
of
those
two
is
$100
a
month.
J
That's
what
the
level
you're
looking
at
and
it
was
similar
in
Charlotte
County
as
well.
If
you
compare
it
to
some
median
household
income
levels
for
the
city,
it's
around
2.2
percent.
If
you
look
at
the
wider
county,
the
weenie
household
incomes
a
little
bit
lower,
it's
more
2.5,
2.6
percent.
It's
in
that
range.
That's
the
point
of
this
is
that
it's
not
outside
sort
of
industry
guidelines.
If
you
will
and
of
course
what
one
resident
pays
depends
on,
how
much
they
use
I'm
used.
Twenty-Five
hundred
gallons,
some
may
use
four
or
five
thousand
dollars.
J
Five
was
your
average
of
those
with
those
services
and
then
I'm
gonna
go
in
more
detail
on
that
assessment
portion.
That
first
part
of
the
last
slide,
there's
two
components
to
the
to
the
assessment.
There's
a
system
connection
fee
component
in
the
actual
assessment,
the
system
connection
fee
is
the
city's
established
utility
capacity
fee.
That's
what
any
new
development
would
pay
to
connect
to
the
sewer
system
of
two
thousand
six
hundred
seventy
seven
dollars
and
that
would
just
get
rolled
into
assessment.
The
resident
could
pay
it
up
front
or
pay
it
over
time.
$14.
J
A
month
then,
and
in
addition,
is
the
actual
assessment
to
recover
the
cost
of
the
collection
system,
of
putting
these
lines
in
front
of
the
houses
about
eight
thousand
five
hundred
twenty
three
dollars
so
add
it
together
as
$11,200
and
that's
comparable
to
what
was
in
the
county's
master
plan
as
well,
and
that
would
get
indexed
over
time.
So,
in
five
years
or
ten
years,
you
have
a
long
term
program
that
would
that
would
go
up
a
little
bit
every
year,
because
the
cost
would
go
up
every
assess
over
20
years,
it's
$59
a
month.
J
That's
the
number
I
talked
about
with
the
previous
slide.
That's
the
breakdown!
If
you
look
at
vacant
properties,
if
you
do
assess
the
vacant
properties,
they
would
not
be
the
system
for
actually
until
such
time
that
they
would
develop
and
request
the
pass
and
that's
the
capacity
to
plant
the
capacity
of
the
transmission
system.
J
So
the
important
element
of
this
is
mandatory
connection
and
sometimes
those
take
time
for
whatever
reasons
residents
may
take
a
year
or
two
to
connect,
but
you're
legally,
and
it's
pretty
well
established
that,
with
mandatory
connection
that,
when
it's
available
within
a
year
notification
that
you
go
ahead
and
charge
those
customers
for
the
benefit
of
that
service.
Well,
it's
important
in
the
financial
feasibility
of
this
as
new
customers
come
online
and
the
sewer
portion
of
the
bill
is
added
to
the
water.
There
are
some
efficiencies
of
adding
those
sewer
customers.
J
We
don't
have
to
build
a
new
plant.
We
already
have
a
plan.
It
may
need
to
get
expanded
in
one
day,
but
we
already
have
a
utility
infrastructure
so
we're
using
15
dollars
of
their
bill
towards
the
funding
of
this
program,
their
new
customers.
They
pay
a
bill,
but
we
see
efficiencies
of
at
least
fifteen
dollars
that
we
can
put
back
into
the
program.
J
So
this
is
just
a
graphical
of
the
financial
model
showing
repayment
of
the
time.
This
is
the
version
of
assessing
the
vacant
properties,
and
this
is
the
other
version
of
not
assessing
the
vacant.
Properties
is
just
lower
debt
service
between
the
two
and
then
in
conclusion,
the
funny
plan
between,
on
the
assessment
assumptions
between
ten
percent
and
twenty
five
twenty
four
percent
grant
funding
an
important
assumption
is
the
use
of
the
infrastructure.
Funds
is
something
we
don't
know
today,
but
it
would
be
dependent
on
future
action.
J
The
availability
of
those
infrastructure
funds
and
the
projects
that
are
included
the
the
concept
on
the
cost
to
the
property
owners
is
based
on
the
Charlotte
County
level,
11200
and-
and
so
it's
in
alignment
with
there's
a
lot
of
other
details.
But
in
you
know
this
is
a
road
map
to
how
the
city
would
approach
is
moving
forward
to
have
an
idea
again
how
the
city
utility
would
fund
it
without
Harding
harming
ratepayers
and
then
what
would
it
cost
me
as
a
resident
to
connect?
So
you
can
have
a
communication.
K
K
K
E
I
I
Yes,
it
was
considered
in
the
master
plan
and
that
was
kind
of
phase
one
of
this
project.
That's
why
we
call
phase
two,
the
data
that
was
used
to
a
set,
and
we
looked
not
only
a
step
but
had
vacuum
vacuum
there
step,
there's
gravity
and
there's
grinder
phones
and
there's
low
pressure
will
go
low
pressure,
so
each
of
those
the
county
looked
at
each
of
those
for
their
project
areas
as
well
and
considered
and
found
that
the
county.
I
Excuse
me,
the
city
of
the
be
gravity
would
be
the
most
cost-effective
considering
capital,
and
so
the
data
and
the
assumptions
that
go
into
play
with
determining
that
analysis
are
a
little
bit
touched
on
on
in
this
super
master
plan,
but
it
was
using
county.
We
use
County
data
that
was
conducted
and
the
study
was
conducted
in
the
end
of
2016
2017,
so
capital
costs
for
in
census,
step
system.
County
has
the
county
has
each
of
those
systems
already
in
place
that
they
have
some
own
in
cost.
I
E
I
Analysis
shows
that
is
gonna
be
more
expensive
for
O&M
costs.
Then
the
gravity
system
would
be
so
you
know
gravity
is
your
you're
using
basically
there's
no
combs
involved,
you
don't.
Maybe
you
have
to
clean
out
the
lines
apparent
David,
but
so
Owen
n
cost
would
be
the
gravity
system
minor,
except
for
cleaning
and
downstream
a
little
bit
you
might
have
to.
I
You
have
list
stations
in
which
the
sludge,
you
know
it's
always
flowing
by
gravity
so
getting
to
go
down
further
and
you
could
pump
it
up
to
a
higher
location
and
continue
to
use
gravity
as
your
main
mode
of
operation
for
a
step
system.
You've
got
momentum,
cost
of
a
pump
that
would
have
to
convey
the
walk
could
convey
the
sewage
from
the
home
into
the
collection
system.
I
It
could
be
under
pressure
that
entire
time
or
it
could
be
incorporated
into
some
type
of
hybrid
system,
and
you
know
where
you're
tying
in
now.
Our
analysis
shows
that
it
basically
depends
on
a
lot
of
factors
but
one
and
how
we've
separated
it
is.
It
depends
on
how
many
connections
for
ERC's
equivalent
rep
residential
connections
looking
at
in
a
particular
area.
I
That's
one
reason
that
one
contributing
factor
that
chose
this
to
be
more
so
gravity.
Another
thing
that
you
have
to
worry
about,
I
went
in
with
the
step
systems
is
right.
Now
it's
really
kind
of
a
are
you
trained
to
handle
that
type
of
thing?
Do
you
have
people
who
know
how
to
handle
these
systems
and
operate
them
and
maintain
the
pumps
and
swap
out
that
kind
that
kind
of
information?
So
currently
the
city
doesn't
have
any
stuff
installed.
I
That's
that's
one
consider
for
Owen
and
then
there's
also
some
water
quality
water
quality
issues
too,
because
they
sit
in
the
septic
tank
a
little
bit
longer
before
pumping
into
the
system.
The
sewage
has
been
we're
time
to
react.
Okay,
so
it
behaves
a
little
bit
and
then
you
have
some.
You
may
have
issues
or
considerations
that
need
to
to
be
taken
into
account
at
the
wastewater
plant,
because
it's
a
longer
sludge
age.
So.
E
So
at
some
point,
okay,
you
have
a
holding
tank
or
an
old
septic
tank
and
you're
gonna
hook
it
up
and
you
can
have
a
low
pressure
pump.
That's
gonna
hit
that
point.
Who
maintains
what
at
what
point
does
the
city
take
responsibility
at
the
septic
tank
itself
or
at
the
pump
itself
and
whose
responsibility
soon.
I
J
Some
other
citizens,
yeah
I,
know
like
some
of
those
systems.
Electric
cost
goes
on
the
homeowner
or
a
Zippo,
so
there's
some
electric
costs
and
there's
some
easement
requirements
and
it
gets
a
little
more
private
property
and
some
gray
areas
there
that
go
in
to
see
some
legal
considerations.
Also,
the
maintenance
is
more,
it
could
be,
is
definitely
cheaper.
On
the
front
end,
the
maintenance
is
a
little
more
complicated
and
the
sort
of
easement
legal
structure
could
be
a
lot
more
complicated
as
well,
but
they're
definitely
solutions
in
the
right.
The
right
areas,
I.
I
E
When
you
have
this
tank,
whether
it's
a
septic
tank
or
an
individual
or
a
design
tank
and
it's
gonna-
have
a
fine
life,
particularly
that's
made
out
of
steel,
but
probably
plastic.
If
it's
not
already
a
concrete
one.
At
some
point,
you're
gonna
get
enough
solids
and
grease
and
so
forth
that
it's
gonna
have
to
be
pumped
out.
What
are
those
solids
felt
when
that
individual
has
to
pump
out
there
several
times.
I
E
I
E
E
M
M
E
M
E
E
What
I
would
like
to
ask
of
you
guys
is
to
add
one
or
two
more
slides
to
us
to
explain
what
a
step
system
is
and
why
it
wasn't
economically
feasible,
because
there
are
good,
solid
questions
of
why
it
didn't
come
forth,
because
insulation,
but
real
Beach,
is
doing
this
and
we
say:
ok,
G,
Vero
Beach
is
doing
it.
Why
can't
put
the
gore
to
do
it?
I
think
it
would
be
nice
if
you
could
just
put
together
a
couple
slides
to
explain
to
us
really
why
that
wasn't
a
viable
consideration
at
this
juncture.
C
C
E
I
I
think
you
know
something
the
county
does.
Is
they
still
engineer
it
generically
they've
kind
of
decided
on
one
method,
but
they
still
look
at
each
site
area
and
say
hey.
You
know,
based
on
what
we
know
down,
what
should
we
you
should
go
after
so
that's
something
you
might
want
to
look
at
for
still
consider
to
look
at
when
you
go
forward
with
the
project.
I
I
J
K
You
know
we,
we
approve
phase
one
in
concept,
we're
looking
for
at
least
approval
in
concept,
form
phase,
two
I
think
as
a
council
you've
bought
into
the
fact
that
we
need
to
move
in
the
direction
of
subject
to
sewer
the
reason
why
get
some
it's
imperative
that
we
decide
whether
we
want
to
continue
this
program
or
not.
We
have
two
sales
tax
committees
going.
At
the
same
time,
we
have
council
members
on
both
sales
tax.
K
Then
we
need
to
breathe.
We
need
to
give
provide
them
with
this
information
which
we
were
going
to
do
anyways
because
it's
their
residence
and
we
need
them
to
buy
into
treating
folks
again
south
of
the
river
in
the
city's
utility
area
in
the
same
manner
that
they're
treating
the
folks
in
the
rest
of
the
county
and
so
some
of
those
dollars
in
the
city
sales
tax
program.
If
it
shows
up
on
the
list
if
it
shows
up
on
the
list
and
if
we
want
to
move
forward
with
Charlotte
public.
N
J
It
was
not
in
this
actual
statute
is
case.
Law
between
the
two
certainly
provide
additional
details.
It's
pretty
well-established
during
construction,
even
during
the
design
phase,
even
some
municipalities
will
do
it
even
during
design
fees
for
so
American
truck
before
it's
complete.
There's,
of
course,
there's
always
there's
always
a
risk
that
the
things
are
delayed
but
you're,
basically
providing
the
benefit
by
going
forth
with
the
the
improvement
well.
J
J
That
would
be
specific
to
the
county.
There's
other
counties
that
do,
for
example,
Hillsboro
of
Monroe,
County
and
others
and
use
infrastructure
funds.
But
you
know
if
they
that's,
maybe
a
policy
decision.
I,
don't
know
the
details
on
if
it's
just
a
Charlotte
County
policy,
but
certainly
this
president
of
other
counties
using
a
construction.
L
B
A
B
What
they
were
saying
with
interpretation
wise
is
that
if
this
was
considered
a
maintenance
thing
rather
than
a
new
thing,
I
think
that's
where
the
issues
working
where,
because
we
had
something
something
like
about
like
road
maintenance.
It
was
a
conversation
where
certain
things
couldn't
couldn't
based
on
whether
it
was.
A
J
I'll
just
say
and
I'll
just
speculate.
This
is
pure
I,
don't
know,
but
it
could
be
something
with
benefit
specific
to
properties
versus
a
regional
benefit
and
I
think.
The
argument
is,
usually
you
know:
does
it
benefit
water
from
EPA,
the
water
body
for
everybody
or
not?
It's
probably
the
link,
but
I.
Don't
really
know,
there's
a
lot
of
nuance
that
you
could.
You
can
interpret.
D
K
K
A
E
A
Okay,
so
San
Sebastian,
big
San
Sebastian,
is
a
neighborhood
in
Charlotte
County,
but
it's
south
and,
as
you
go
south
and
41
we're.
The
Florida
from
your
contractors
sign
is
on
the
building.
That's
Singapore!
It's
back
in
there
to
go,
convert
septic
sewer
and
it
was
a
I'm
thinking
that
64%
approval.
It
was
high
and.
A
The
public
hearing
on
it
went
on
for
hours,
and
so
what
we
don't
want
to
do
is
go
through
all
this
hard
work
and
then
not
have
the
County
Commissioners
who
are
going
to
have
to
approve
all
this
in
the
end
not
be
in
sync
with
us,
and
that
we
want
to
all
be
and
think
that,
which
is
why
we've
chosen
to
use
the
the
resources
that
we
have
in
much
as
much
in
sync
as
possible.
That's.
A
A
E
L
K
E
L
O
O
K
P
P
P
A
I
mean
I'm,
not
surprised,
you
know,
I,
think
we've
been
putting
band-aids
on
this
for
many
many
years
and
just
taking
a
tour
that
City
Clerk
give
me
a
tour.
It
became
just
looking
at
the
building.
It's
like
you
know,
you
start,
you
don't
really
realize
it
and
to
me,
because
we
keep
coming
and
going
stop-start
in.
P
D
A
A
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
K
Remember
we
have
costs
in
here
associated
with
pierre
seawall
and
boardwalk
issues.
Yes,
that's
a
significant
amount
of
dollars.
We
have
about
450,000
set
aside
for
utilities,
so
now
you're
probably-
and
there
were
some
other
items
in
here-
vasa
t-zone
and
some
of
these
other
add-ons
you're
getting
close
to
a
million
dollars
right
there.
O
O
L
A
A
C
L
C
A
We
don't
have
the
money
to
build
new
ones
and
we
don't
have
the
funds
to
put
in
a
new
road,
new
parking
area
and
whatever,
and
if
we
decide
down
the
road
we
want
to.
Well,
that's
going
to
impact
them
because
we
have
to
close
everything
down
and
they're
operational,
so
it
doesn't
make
sense
for
us
to
kind
of
not
be
in
sync.
A
L
A
A
L
G
G
One
thing
I
can
say
is
that
the
likelihood
that
the
Wildlife
Center
will
be
ready
to
build
Ponce
Park,
this
coming
April
is
very
low,
so
we
may
have
an
additional
amount
of
time
available
to
reevaluate
our
project,
as
well
as
the
city's
project
with
the
park
and
then
potentially
come
up
with
either
cuts
or
options
as
to
you
know,
come
up
with
the
funds
in
order
to
do
the
project.
I,
don't
believe
that
we
are
on
schedule
at
this
point
to
start
any
sort
of
construction
this
coming
spring.
G
G
Space
correct,
we
are
currently
not
receiving
any
pressure
from
the
landowner
to
you
know,
remove
ourselves
from
the
property
and
we
have
not,
since
this
process
has
be
done,
I
don't
believe
that
the
the
property
owner
has
any
immediate
need
for
the
property
that
we're
currently
sitting
on.
So
I
felt
I
felt
that
as
long
as
we
were
actively
pursuing
our
options
of
removing
ourselves
from
that
property
that
he
seems
to
be
content.
G
G
G
We
still
have
intentions
of
putting
our
public
facility
in
ponts
Park,
but
we
have
to
prioritize,
and
at
this
point
the
public
facility
facility
portion
of
the
Wildlife
Center
is
in
fairly
decent
condition.
We
feel
that
that
condition
will
allow
us
a
little
flexibility
in
our
timeframe
of
building
out
the
COTS
Park,
whereas
our
rehabilitation
aspect
of
the
center
is
decrepit
and
falling
apart
rapidly.
G
G
N
G
Trying
to
figure
out
the
best
way
to
phrase
this,
the
public
viewing
facility
is
essentially
I
would
say
about
90%
on
the
adjacent
land,
and
the
portion
of
our
hospital
that
we
are
currently
going
to
move
is
primarily
we're
moving
the
bill.
What's
in
on
the
inside
of
the
buildings
into
an
additional
building,
our
goal
is
to
find
a
permanent
place
to
move
our
entire
rehab
program,
but
currently
we
will
continue
to
use
the
large
enclosures
at
the
Wildlife
Center
currently
for
our
rehab
patients
as
well.
So
we're
not
actually
going
to
be.
G
A
D
A
K
Q
Starting
with
vacancies,
we
have
a
three
year
term
on
the
utility
advisory
board.
We
have
an
unexpired
term
as
an
alternate
on
the
historic
preservation
advisory
board,
as
well
as
for
an
alternate
from
building
board,
one
three-year
term
and
one
unexpired
term
on
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals
and
two
unexpired
terms
on
the
code
enforcement.
Q
A
Under
policy
and
legislation,
I
want
to
thank
whoever
fixed
the
mics,
because
it
was
so
much
easier
to
hear
people
today.
Yes,
that
was
really
that's
appreciated,
I'm
sure
it's
appreciated
by
everybody
in
the
room
I'm,
seeing
some
shaking
heads
here.
So
thank
you
very
much
Karen
and
if
it
was
Brad
or
whoever
he
was
thank.
We
appreciate
it
so
Howard's
already
mentioned
tonight.
If
this
is
a
big
deal
and.
L
A
A
Lobbyist
Jerry
Paul
that
the
Charlotte
County
legislative
delegation
meeting
is
on
Tuesday
October,
8th
at
8
a.m.
to
11:00
a.m.
at
PGI
CA,
and
the
deadline
to
register
an
appearance
on
the
agenda
and
to
submit
materials
is
Tuesday.
October
1st
have
a
discussion
item.
Is
it
gonna,
be
September
4th
mr.
Paul
be
here
then.
K
A
B
Just
please
I'll
be
good
I
think
we
had
a
very
productive
League
of
Cities
conference.
It
was
really
good
and
I
got
to
speak
with
the
person
who's
over
the
census
for
the
region
and
just
basically
emphasized
to
us
the
importance
of
making
sure
that
everyone
does
our
sentences
so
that
our
funding
is
fully
there.
C
I
have
a
couple
things:
I've
had
a
lot
of
questions
from
people
about
when
the
the
widening
of
Burnt
store.
Road
is
going
to
occur
on
the
section,
that's
still
in
Charlotte
County
that
hasn't
been
done
yet,
and
mr.
Harrell
from
the
MPO
gave
me
an
email
a
couple
of
days
ago.
The
contract
will
be
brought
to
the
Board
of
County
Commissioners
on
September
10th
mm-hmm
and,
if
accepted
the
Notice
to
Proceed
will
be
issued,
giving
the
contractor
60
days
to
begin
construction.
That
would
put
construction
starting
mid-november
and
it's
approximately
a
two-year
process.
C
I
also
spoke
with
one
of
the
people
from
the
FDOT
at
the
last
MTO
board
meeting
and
they
are
planning
on
putting
a
left
turn
arrow.
It's
pretty
defined.
Nothing
goes
quickly
and
at
the
state
level
they
are
planning
on
putting
a
left
turn
arrow
to
turn
North
off
of
ickiest
on
to
41.
They
are
not
planning
on
putting
an
arrow
to
turn
left
going
south
coming
the
other
direction,
because
there
is
just
too
much
of
an
issue
with
land
acquisition
and
the
railroad
being
in
that.
C
So
that
is
not
going
to
happen
and
finally,
I've
already
shared
with
the
council
members,
the
assisted
living
project
is
going
to
move
forward.
We
met
with
the
Citizens
Committee
during
our
break
and
we
had
a
very
productive
meeting
with
the
the
entire
architectural
and
engineering
team
from
the
assisted
living
project
and
they
are
getting
ready
to
produce
final
rendering
drawings
and
plans
to
the
city
sometime.
C
This
fall
September,
October,
ish
timeframe
and
they're
ready
to
move
plans
forward,
so
they
have
revised
the
plans
substantially
so
that
it
fits
in
a
lot
better
to
the
community.
It's
going
to
be
a
coastal
look
and
I.
Think
one
of
our
committee
members
is
here.
Mr.
Worf
wiener
as
I
was
part
of
our
meeting
and
I
think
we
had
a
very
productive
meeting
and
I
think
everybody
came
away
from
that
feeling
that
it
was
a
much
better
fit
for
the
communities.
D
Two
things:
one
start
watching
the
newspaper
for
the
check
harvest
for
America
that
will
be
held
at
Lashley
Park
in
I.
Believe
it's
in
November
and
the
second
thing
is
the
airport
authority
was
faced
with
a
really
tough
decision.
They
had
three
viable
options
for
the
Western
Michigan
hangar,
and
the
group
that
got
the
highest
score
was
actually
the
Charlotte
County
training
group.
However,
they
can't
start
operations
for
18
months.
D
A
Want
a
comment:
I'm,
the
article
that
I
wrote
for
the
Isles
life
for
September
is
about
the
burnt
store,
Road
widening
in
large
part,
and
my
information
I
got
from
the
shark
county.
The
engineer
in
charge
of
it
was
inconsistent
with
what
Gary
said
so
the
and
he
was
saying
they
probably
would
not
start
until
January
likely
because
there
would
be
holidays
involved.
So
he
was
saying,
even
though
the
contract
would
yes
be
approved
on
the
10th.
R
Yeah
that
60
days
once
once
they
have
the
Notice
to
Proceed
going
forward,
starts
construction.
Oftentimes.
You
don't
see
anything
happening
at
that
point,
but
for
hopefully
what
we'll
say
sometime
in
November
is
you
know
what
you
just
mentioned,
the
rubbing
and
the
things
like
that,
but
you
know
for
actual
going
in
there
and
tearing
up
roads
and
replacing
roads.
A
R
S
Gary
skillet,
corn
and
I'll
be
quick,
I
guess
a
couple
things.
This
is
kind
of
served,
maybe
as
a
reminder
and
a
check
up.
Last
November
I
came
to
you
after
the
last
Halloween
celebration
in
the
history
area,
suggesting
that
for
next
year,
which
is
coming
up
pretty
soon
to
look
at
realignment
and
maybe
shutting
down
some
of
the
areas
we
had
a
real
close
call.
Last
year
we
had
a
volunteer
hit
the
pavement
being
kicked
by
a
car
children
all
over
that
place.
People
are
coming
from
all
over
the
community.
S
S
Well,
as
public,
they
talked
about
very
important
because
I
think
was
a
wake-up
call.
It
was
a
disaster,
that's
we
didn't
happen
last
thing,
I
think
or
well.
One
thing
I
like
to
remind
people
that
for
million
dollars
were
talking
wildlife
center,
but
by
about
half
of
the
marketplace
area,
just
a
thought
now.
The
last
thing
maybe
is
a
little
more
more
serious.
I
love
that
Wildlife
Center,
it's
a
great
place.
I
bring
people
there
beautiful
location,
they
do
a
great
job.
S
It's
a
good
calling
for
tourists
in
the
area,
but
I
guess
I
asked
the
question
with
all
its
transpiring
I
know
that
they
went
out
at
searched
for
land
and
maybe
had
land
and
gave
it
up.
There
was
the
veterinary
clinic.
Well,
there
was
there
was
place
identified.
No,
we
decide.
We
don't
want
that.
There
flex
is
very
flexible,
I
believe
there
is
no
need,
no
real
need.
It's
a
beautiful
place.
It
falls
apart,
but
no
necessary
need
that
that
Wildlife
Center
has
to
be
on
the
water.
S
It's
a
beautiful
location
and
it's
a
little
bit
like
gee
the
pickleball
courts
that
guilt
for
his
park
or
a
beautiful
location,
but
they
don't
need
to
be
there
type
of
thing
anyway.
I
would
suggestion,
there's
nobody
who
left
it
anymore,
to
broaden
the
search
again
to
see
whether
there
is
it'll
give
them
room
for
expansion
as
well
to
you,
you
reallocate
in
existing
pawns
part
and
they're
going
to
be
limited
if
they
need
to
double
in
size
and
I
run
out
of
time.