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From YouTube: Punta Gorda City Council 1-21-15 Part 3
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A
Form
of
green
or
something
else
that
could
be
rather
than
the
floor
tam,
which
does
thatch.
Is
there
something
else
that
could
be
planted
there?
That
would
allow
the
water
to
again
permeate
to
the
sewers,
and
that
might
be
something
that
again
again,
let's
think
out
of
the
box.
Maybe
what
we
do
is
recommend
rather
than
grass
there.
Maybe
this
is
where
we
put
stones
or
something
else,
seashells,
something
else.
That's
going
to
be,
and
again
that
might
be
changes
in
you
know
the
PGI,
particularly
with
the
overlay
districts.
Well,.
B
C
D
And
even
though
the
detaching
is
ugly
or
whatever,
maybe
we
need
to
educate
the
homeowners
that
hey
you're
thatch
is
your
thatch
is
getting
thick?
You
may
need
to
contact
a
licensed
person
to
come,
dethatcher
or
you're
going
to
have.
You
know
a
drainage
issue,
but,
like
you
said,
if
they
don't
see
it
in
their
yard,
it's
hard
to
communicate
to
them
that
they
are
the
ones
with
the
problem.
But
maybe
we
need
to
start
some
monitoring
but
put
the
onus
on
them
to
have
the
work
done.
D
E
E
Well,
no,
excuse
me,
there's
a
bullet,
there
called
review
parade
expenses,
and
that
also
involves
public
works,
and
that
is
we
help
with
parades
the
homecoming
parade,
Martin
Luther
King
parade
christmas
parade
veterans
parade
and
we
have
police
out
there
in
intersections.
We
do
have
some
volunteers,
but
we
also
have
some
patrol
and
we
have
public
works
that
has
to
do
a
lot
of
work
with
the
parades
you.
A
Have
an
overall
cost
what
this
cost
us
on
my
yearly
basis,
I
believe
the
quote.
E
E
Let's
go
to
utilities
well,.
E
E
We
have
talked
about
looking
at
automated
meter.
Read
in
the
past
is
very
expensive.
Initially,
we've
also
talked
about,
and
we
may
be
looking
at
this
again
outsourcing
our
meter
reading
function.
There
are
companies
out
there
that
just
me
to
read
we
with
all
the
accounts
that
we
have
all
the
building
is
going
on.
We
have
added
a
lot
of
accounts.
We
used
to
have
two
meter
readers.
We
can't
do
it
with
two
meter
readers.
E
A
E
A
E
A
Don't
necessarily
see
us
outsourcing
these
but
I.
Think
again
in
fairness
to
our
citizens,
I
think
we
should
at
least
take
a
look
at
what
the
costs
are
and
do
a
comparative
cost
if
we
were
to
go
with
the
Sheriff's
Office
as
opposed
to
our
own
police,
what
would
that
actually
cost
us
the
same
thing
with
fire
refuse?
I
know
we've
seen
before,
and
also
the
water
and
sewer
services
well,.
E
You're
asking
a
lot
of
you're,
asking
Charlotte
County,
for
instance,
to
to
give
you
a
firm
proposal
and
that's
a
lot
of
work.
That
really
is
I
mean
if
we're
not
the
previous
councils
were
not
after
we
did
our
initial
and
you
know
discussion
with
them.
They
can't
want
anything
to
it.
They
wanted
a.
We
want,
our
own
police
and
fire
because
we're
a
city
we'd
like
to
service
level.
It's
an
identity,
we
don't
want
to
pursue
it.
So
if
we
do,
you
want
to
go
back
to
looking
at
this.
E
D
F
Not
in
favor
as
well,
I
think
it's,
it
is
what
part
of
our
unique
identifier
is.
When
you
look
at
some
of
these,
the
only
thing
I
do
want
to
find
out
it
has
to
do
with
the
refuse.
It
is
not
at
the
private
refuse.
When
I
look
at
in
the
long-range
plan.
There's
information
on
other
cities
who
have
to
pick
ups
a
week
and
their
costs
are
lower.
F
I
just
would
like
to
know
what
is
it
that
they
do
and
that's
all
not
to
help
explain
why
they're
lower
and
it
could
be
because
it's
out
sourced-
and
we
may
say
we
don't
want
to
outsource
it,
because
people
like
being
able
to
put
a
trash
bag
out
of
the
curb,
as
opposed
to
having
to
use
the
large
containers
and
that
kind
of
thing.
But
at
least
we
know
what
we're
talking
about.
F
E
Was
there
sorry,
can
we
go
to
the
next
page?
Then
we
will
get
you
that
answer
on
these
okay,
how
those
out
to
do
it
more
things
that
we
have
looked
at,
and
we
have
is
there
anything
on
here
that
you
want
to
change?
No.
C
E
Ok,
next
page,
what
about
here?
Yes,.
C
A
A
H
F
A
F
F
D
E
I
thought
I
could
no,
no,
no
I
can
certainly
do
it.
Chief
Briggs
can
do
it
better
than
I
can.
If
he
comes
out
of
the
cry
room
it
comes
in
here.
I
Okay,
to
address
the
eliminate
all
non
emergency
response,
this
can
go
a
number
of
ways.
We've
looked
at
a
years
ago,
but
essentially
any
these
are
like
the
good
in
10
calls
like
where
somebody
would
help
I've
fallen.
I
need
help
getting
up
type
calls
the
lift
assist
oil
in
the
water
type
calls.
So
essentially
it
would
just
be
emergent
911,
so
the
smoke
detector
programs,
all
of
those
would
be
eliminated,
but.
I
Typically,
they
do,
but
they
don't,
they
don't
run
with
lights
and
sirens.
So
when
you
talk
about
a
cost
savings,
what
would
truly
you
know
you're
still
paying
personnel
they're?
Still
there,
the
expense
you're.
You
would
essentially
eliminate
some
some
tire
and-
and
you
know
some
ongoing
consumables,
like
some
some
fuel
things
like
that,
but
it
you're
not
talking
too
large
a
large
savings.
D
I
I
An
ongoing
you're,
absolutely
right.
This
was
our
six
sigma
program
where
we
the
issue
there,
is
that
it's
really
about
the
triage
of
the
calls
and
those
are
the
areas
we
have
reduced:
the
responses
to
the
medical
facilities,
so
the
nursing
homes,
the
alfs,
all
of
those
it
really
depends
upon
the
way
the
call
comes
in
if
it
comes
in
as
a
cardiac
arrest
or
a
chest,
pain,
something
like
that.
Then
it
gets
the
engine
response
it
doesn't.
I
I
Depends
on
the
nature
of
the
call
again,
an
ambulance
has
two
people
on
it.
So
if
it's
a
you
know,
a
chest,
pain,
shortness
of
breath,
seizure,
there's
a
there's,
some
criteria
that
has
been
addressed
with
the
nursing
home.
So
we
deal
with
those
very
specifically
versus
you
know.
Again
they
have
medical
staff
and
that's
been
our.
You
know.
Our
issue
is
that
you've
got
staff
there,
so
we
let
them
take
care
of
some
of
those
calls
Kim.
H
The
truck
goes
because
of
the
equipment.
That's.
I
Correct
and
the
personnel
that
that's
that's
what
they
is,
what
they
ride
so
right,
that's
how
they
get
there.
So
in
some
areas,
in
some
communities
where
you,
where
you
had
a
more
robust
staff
where
you
could
staff
a
smaller,
you
know
SUV
or
something
like
that,
and
they
could
then
respond
to
some
of
those
calls.
But
here
the
cost
of
you
know
adding
additional
personnel
versus
that
savings
of
fuel
and
tires
and
stuff
like
that,
makes
sense.
C
I
And
that's
that's
kind
of
the
beauty
of
that
program
is
that
when
somebody
calls
with
one
of
these
kind
of
a
special
needs
or
an
assistance
type
smoke
detectors
are
good.
You
know
it's
chirping
and
they
can't
reach
it.
Then
it's
the
the
crew
that
is
in
that
district
anyway,
so
they
essentially
go
and
they
do
if
an
emergency
call
comes
in,
they
just
leave
and
they
would
come
back
or
you
know
so,
certainly
they're
not
out
of
service
for
any.
E
D
One
thing
that
came
out
of
the
briefing
with
Howard
when
we
were
talking
about
property
and
liability
insurance.
We
are
insured
through
PRM,
but
I,
know
Florida
League
of
Cities
has
an
insurance
program.
I
just
thought.
Maybe
it
might
be
time
to
revisit
that
to
make
sure
that
we're
still
getting
the
best
deal
that
we
can,
because
that
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
our
operational
costs
are
going
up
because
of
our
insurance
expenditure.
So
just
the
thought
can.
E
C
E
D
H
I
just
wanted
to
say
something
about
the
the
recycling
when
you're
bidding
things
out.
I
would
like
to
get
a
cost
on
doing
the
recycling
and
not
have
those
little
bends,
but
not
have
the
great
big
ones,
but
maybe
have
the
medium
bins
for
recycling
that
are
on
wheels,
because
we
have
trash
all
over
the
neighborhood
because
of
those
little
bins
and
they're
blowing.
All
over
plus
I
have
three
of
those
and
they're
heavy.
H
A
Would
like
bins
with
wheels
bins
with
wheels?
No
I.
You
know
I
agree
with
you.
Yesterday
the
truck
was
going
down
and
things
were
flying
out
they,
even
though
they
were
trying
to
contain
them
and
crush
them
bottles
grown
out.
Here
bottles
went
out
there,
I'm
thinking,
oh
my
goodness,
and
so
I
kind
of
just
waited
by
the
garage,
and
they
did.
They
picked
up
all
the
trash
in
the
streets,
but
that
again,
that
takes
additional
time
kind
of
thing.
If
the
bins
are
not
fit.
H
To
be
outside
at
night,
the
trash
you
have
to
have
it
out
there
early
it's
blowing
all
over,
because
the
top
of
these
bins
are
off
and
I
think
more
people.
Now
that
our
recycling
program
has
been
going
for
a
while,
more
people
are
recycling
and
so
we're
getting
to
you
know
we
need
a
bigger
I,
would
hate
to
see
the
great
big
one
I,
don't
like
those
but
yeah.
E
J
Harborwalk
west
good
morning
for
the
record
John
the
bow
urban
design,
and
this
came
before
you
at
the
last
council
meeting.
You
asked
for
it
to
come
back
for
a
discussion
on
several
items.
One
is
the
I'm
assuming
we're
going
with
the
sea
wall
with
the
zune.
Well,
we
are
moving
forward
to
determine
the
size
of
the
sea
wall
cap
and
then
the
last
one
would
be.
If
council,
we
need
the
appropriation
of
the
funds
from
council.
I
asked.
E
Asked
okay:
the
first
decision
is
that
and
I
I
need
to
get
everybody
on
board
with
it.
We
are
replacing
the
sea
wall.
I.
Agree.
Agree,
agree,
free,
okay!
Why.
E
A
K
K
There
was
another
graphic
that
was
given
and
I
could
put
it
up
briefly
for
briefly
for
you,
this
is
an
alternative
design
again
for
schematic
purposes.
This
would
show
a
sea
wall,
that's
closer
to
the
elevation
of
the
grade
of
the
harborwalk.
This
one
is
shown
with
a
lip,
although
it's
possible
to
do
it
flush
with
the
harborwalk
and
just
have
straight
out
into
the
water.
K
K
Currently,
in
fact,
in
the
phase
that's
going
to
be
built
out
using
the
fdot
funds,
a
lot
of
it
does
have
seat
wall
around
the
pavilion
areas
and
around
the
semicircular
area
in
front
of
the
gazebo
that
again,
that's
a
five-foot
white
cap,
we're
happy
at
the
direction
of
the
city
and
you
all
to
design
that
cap
any
size
which
you
best
believe
fits.
The
city's
needs.
Ok,.
D
Did
a
field
trip
out
at
the
park
to
really
get
the
visuals
on?
You
know
what
this
is
all
about,
because
I
really
did
not
understand
the
five-foot
and
even
on
your
graphic.
Is
that
the
little
the
lip
up
is
that
that's
only
a
couple
feet
every
so
often
it's
not
continuous.
This
little
indent
deal.
That's
just
like
the
little.
K
K
D
D
So
when
we
were
out
there,
you
know
we
walked
the
whole
park
and
I
get
the
concept
I.
Just
don't
understand
why
you
know
five
foot
is
almost
the
c
wat
SI
sidewalk
with
so
we
know
that
people
are
gonna,
be
on
there's
no
doubt
about
that.
We
don't
have
to
have
a
railing.
I
like
I
like
the
height
of
it.
I
just
don't
know
that
five
foot
is
the
width
and
what
we
did
it.
D
The
bayshore
is
more
or
less
like
this
other,
so
we've
already
constructed
something
that
looks
very
similar
to
this
down
at
the
bayshore
park.
So
if
we
did
do
the
five
foot,
there
would
have
to
be
a
taper
to
tie
in
to
what's
already
existing
down
behind
the
kittyland,
so
I
mean
I,
don't
the
seat.
Wall
I
still
have
a
problem
with
people
sitting
in
the
traffic
lane.
D
H
A
C
I've
been
concerned
about
the
width
of
the
seawall
being
five
feet,
as
I
mentioned
before,
somebody
can
just
jump
on
the
top
of
that
take
their
bike
up
there.
If
they're,
that
kind
of
a
daredevil,
they
can
take
the
escape
board
up
there,
and
so
for
that
reason,
I
was
concerned
with
having
it
five
feet
wide
you
don't.
C
In
my
opinion,
you
don't
need
anything
five
feet
wide
to
sit
on
the
seating
bench
that
that
is
on
here
is
only
15
inches
wide,
so
we
can
have
something
on
a
sea
wall
that
is
either
the
same
with
and
people
could
sit
on
it.
My
my
concern
is
that
the
sea
wall
I
believe
it
should
be
higher
I
think
it
should
be
it
approximately
the
same
elevation
as
this
or
whatever
would
make
it
a
DA
compliant.
So
people
could
sit
on
and
I
think
that
numbers
about
18
inches
is
over.
F
K
F
A
H
Just
worried
about
the
safety,
if
we
don't
go
with
the
five
feet,
I'm
really
worried
about
the
safety,
because
I'm
out
there
all
the
time
and
I
know
when
we
get
a
bunch
of
people.
If
somebody
falls
over
on
their
bike
on
this,
they
will
go
into
the
water.
If
they're,
that
close
to
it
I
mean
they
would
go
over
into
the
water
and
all
of
that
barnacles
are
there
and
I
mean
it's
not
like
they're
going
to
fall
into
the
water
they're,
actually
going
to
fall
into
a
very
dangerous.
H
H
Tall
bright,
it
is
what
it
is,
but
there's
nobody
back
there
right
now:
I
guess,
I'm,
saying
I'm:
okay
with
doing
that,
if
just
like
over
by
the
the
rest
of
the
harborwalk
there's
a
railing,
I
mean
I'm,
okay,
with
just
leaving
it
down
and
not
having
any
kind
of
seating
and
doing
a
railing
as
opposed
to
and
have
the
seating
on
the
other
side.
I
just
think
having
that
narrow
of
us
could
be
dangerous.
A
L
David
Olson
everybody's
on
winter,
when
the
other
aspects
think
about
is
that
you're
creating
a
dynamic
space
with
that
five
feet
as
well,
not
too
hippy
dippy
dreamy,
whatever
you
want
to
call
it,
but
people
like
ice
age
and
people
will
get
on
there.
It's
two
feet
wide
that
bicycles
still
going
on
the
skateboard
is
still
going
on.
So
just
from
standpoint.
What
we
thought
about
was
okay,
you're,
creating
another
platform.
It's
a
public
space.
It's
it's
it's
somewhere
for
someone
he
to
utilize
in
a
public
back.
C
H
D
Okay,
with
the
two
feet
and
I
would
also
like
to
I
mean
there
are
some
photos,
I,
those
those
skate
deterrence
over
a
Best
Western.
Just
really
bother
me
I
mean
it's
overkill.
It's
it's
I
mean
I
wish
we
could
take
every
every
other
one.
It
lays
down.
I
know
like
in
California.
They
just
have
a
little
date.
It's
built
into
the
concrete,
it's
just
a
little
notch
out
and
it
can
be
stainless
metal
whatever
it
is.
D
Overload
I
don't
know
that
I'm
sold
on
those
sea
life,
they
don't
three
feet.
K
Wouldn't
anticipate
that
she
would
save
over
a
hundred
dollars
a
linear
foot
which
would
be
a
savings
of
you
know,
roughly
probably
about
150
thousand
dollars
total
in
your
project
of
which
$50,000
is
paid
for
by
do
t
funds
so
to
the
city,
probably
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
going.
All
that
way,
it
would
probably
be
the
best
case
scenario.
I
just
keep
in
mind
that
you
know,
as
we
make
that
cap
smaller,
the
formwork
stays
the
same.
The
labor
stays
the
same.
You
know
all
the
work
involved
stays
the
same.
K
C
C
D
K
C
D
K
K
Trying
to
change
your
managing
and
with
whatever
the
city
wishes,
because.
D
A
M
C
D
K
E
If
council
decides
today
that
we
still
want
to
try
and
do
the
area
between
the
gazebo
and
the
bayfront
immediately
design,
it
bid
it
out,
you
know
it's
already
designed
for
the
most
part,
but
you're
going
to
have
to
redesign
it
now
bid
it
out,
hire
a
contractor
and
get
get
that
done
before
the
grant
funds
become
available.
Can
we
get
that
done
or
not,
because
we're
going
to
ask
them?
Do
we
want
to
do
that
work
ahead
of
title
just.
E
D
E
D
J
J
It
is
important
because
it
allows
us
to
foresee
those
our
vision
and
help
put
the
policies
in
place
that
will
get
us
to
where
we
want
to
go
as
we
guide
our
growth
and
investment
properly.
It
gives
us
the
concise
policies
and
implementation
strategies
that
we
need.
We
are
involved
with
a
variety
of
other
jurisdiction,
jurisdictional
agencies.
They
all
comment
with
us
and,
as
we
move
forward
the
ideas
that
we
move
forward
together
in
unison,
so
that
our
plans
move
smoothly.
As
with
the
harborwalk.
J
We
have
currently
ten
elements
that
we
that
each
deals
with
a
different
service
each
of
those
have
verbiage
behind
it,
but
the
the
part
that's
really
important
is
our
goals,
objectives
and
policies,
and
that's
what
we'll
be
looking
at
updating.
Currently,
we
have
the
10.
We
are
looking
to
have
split
this
conservation
element
in
the
coastal,
the
conservation
coastal
management
element
into
two,
which
will
be
the
conservation
element
and
the
coastal
management
element.
We
are
looking
currently
at
the
historic
element
which
is
completed.
J
It
will
be
coming
to
you
next
month,
for
hopefully
adoption
and
right
now,
as
required,
all
local
governments
have
to
evaluate
their
complain
every
seven
five
to
seven
years.
The
last
plan
that
we
looked
at
the
1997
plan
was
delayed
due
to
hurricane
Charlie,
so
we
were
sort
of
out
of
the
loop
when
we
adopted
our
last
plan,
we
actually
adopted
it
in
2009
and
we
did
have
done
some
updates
to
we've
done
an
EA
our
process.
Previously,
if
you
will
recall
it
was
a
huge
document,
we
had
to
review
each
of
the
elements
right.
J
What
our
changes
are
going
to
be
and
put
the
money
out
to
have
all
of
that
done?
Well,
legislative
changes
need
to
be
included
in
all
of
that
in
2011.
The
legislation
did
change
the
way
that
we
do
the
EA
our
process.
So
this
is
going
to
be
wonderful
process
for
us
to
go
through.
We
now
streamline
this
process.
It
reduces
our
review
of
the
EA.
J
We
will
reduce
that
review
time
in
your
packet
is
a
letter,
a
draft
letter
to
de
o
identifying
those
changes
that
we've
identified
will
finish
the
element
updates
and
bring
them
to
you
over
the
next
few
months
and
by
2000
by
to
December
of
this
year.
We
hope
to
have
the
completed
comp
plan
before
you
and
sent
to
dca
to
de
o
previously
easier.
J
A
A
J
A
J
Record
again,
John
LeBeau
urban
design,
and
this
discussion
item
relates
to
the
proposed
changes
that
the
county
is
making
to
their
comprehensive
plan.
Specifically
the
revisions
to
the
land
use
designation,
mineral
resource
extraction.
Under
their
changes,
there
will
be
no
new
permits
issued
within
the
surface
water
protection
area,
which
is
good.
That
is
where
we
get
our
water
from
the
earth
moving.
There
are
a
lot.
There
are
currently
six
to
eight
excavations
that
fall
either
with
entirely
within
the
area
or
just
touch
it
on
the
very
outside
of
the
area.
J
And
that
is
the
area
we're
concerned,
with
the
way
that
the
language
is
being
proposed
for
this,
for
this
change
is
those
permits
all
have
an
expiration
date.
They
several
of
them
have
received
several
extensions
already
due
to
state
mandates,
and
what
have
you
I'm
not
exactly
sure
that
legislative
process,
but
there's
some
that
should
have
expired
in
2013?
They
now
will
be
expiring
in
2019.
The
comp
plan
amendment
that
the
city
is
that
the
county
is
proposing
will
allow
these
excavations
to
continue
as
they
are.
There
are
no
additional
changes.
J
J
We
don't
know
what
could
happen
in
there,
so
we
are
concerned
about
our
drinking
water.
There
have
been
some
issues
that
are
unexplained
that
have
occurred
in
the
waterway
and
we're
just
looking
out
for
the
city's
water
supply,
and
all
we're
trying
to
do
is
gain
standing
with
the
with
the
county
by
proposing
a
letter
from
council
stating
our
concerns
and
asking
for
them
to
revisit
that
particular
language
under
their
special
provisions.
Thank.
N
To
have
anything
I
mean
a
big
hats
off
to
Joan.
This
first
came
on
her
radar
and
actually
a
councilman
Kavanaugh
brought
it
to
our
attention
and
it
came
on
Jones
radar
and
she
has
been
the
super
sleuth
to
ferret
all
this
out.
It's
very
complicated
and
and
again
we're
concerned,
primarily
with
the
one
directly
in
the
middle
that
is
holy
in
our
and
our
protection
overlay.
N
C
N
And
we're
working
with
the
Water
Management
District
that
this
property
was
found
illegally,
discharging
on
December
30th,
and
that
was
three
days
after
we
experienced
a
turbidity
issue
in
shale
Creek
go
past
our
intake
and
we
shut
down
the
intakes
and
quit
withdrawing
water.
Now
we
didn't
see
them
discharging
on
thanksgiving
day,
but
you
know
and
when,
echoing
the
dots,
so
they
are
in
the
process
of
their
enforcement
people.
Compliance
and
enforcement
people
have
been
on
site
they're
working
with
them,
as
we.
J
The
ones
who
check
for
compliance
issues
and
they
are
looking
at
it.
There
were
several
other
incidences
of
stream
that
may
have
caused
additional
turbidity
issues.
You
know
there
was
a
breaking
of
a
culvert.
There
were
other
items
that
happen
and
they
are
trying
to
iron
them
out
as
well,
and
unfortunately,
we
weren't
able
to
get
a
definite
answer
from
them
prior
to
it.
C
J
A
O
You
for
the
record,
Sean,
Coleman,
Planning
and
Zoning
official
for
Charlotte
County
I,
don't
have
the
technical
specs.
I
joined
vernon
the
county
engineer
she
was
supposed
to
be
here,
but
she
had
another
meeting
that
came
up
suddenly
that
she
could
not
make
this.
So
I'm
here
to
report
any
findings
back
to
our
our
county.
Commissioners.
The
items
that
are
that
have
been
brought
up-
yes,
swiftlet,
has
extended
their
permitting.
O
That
is
one
of
the
issues
that
we
have,
because
now
our
permit
expires
at
different
times
and
there's
due
to
the
economy,
we
felt
that
there
could
be
some
regulatory
issues
and
some
potential
liabilities
by
not
being
able
to
extend
these
permits
again.
This
is
countywide.
This
isn't
just
solely
for
the
permits
in
shale
Creek.
O
This
is
also
for
there's
some
mines
out
in
west
county
there's
mines
all
the
place
that
are
running
into
these,
where
they
were
dormant
for
many
years
to
the
economy,
as
was
most
of
construction,
most
items
in
the
county
and
therefore
they
they're
looking
at
reclaiming
and
reusing
their
their
expectation
fact
investments,
and
so
that
is
something
that
we
have
to
take
very
seriously.
That
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
we're
bringing
this
forward.
O
D
Rachel
so
I'll
go
to
gentleman
since
she's
our
comp
plan
person.
So
when
I
you
know
just
reading
this
as
a
citizen
because
I'm
not
I
mean
this
is
very
technical,
like
Tom
said,
but
when
you
see
the
words
potable
water
protection
overlay,
half
mile
buffer,
that
seems
to
me
like
that
area
should
be
protected.
So
who?
Who
enforces
that
and
who
made
that
up?
That
is
the.
J
County's
designation
for
our
potable
water.
If
you
look
on
your
letter,
there
are
several
policies
that
the
county
has
put
in
place
to
protect
that
they
know
it's
our
drinking
source.
They
know
it's
our
potable
water
system.
They
have
placed
that
buffer
there
to
help
protect
that
new
permits
that
come
any
new
permits
will
not
be
allowed
and
what
is
permitted
is
permitted.
I,
don't
think
we
we
can
do
anything
about
that.
It's
the
extinction
right
thing
when
they
expire.
We
would
hope
that
in
these
particular
areas
they
would
expire.
G
A
A
N
J
H
J
O
I
could
just
jump
in
essentially
these
mines
were
probably
the
reason
why
the
surface
water
protection
area
was
put
in
because
these
mines
predated
that
these
think
the
protections
then
came
in.
Unfortunately,
we
have
those
vested
mining
operations
that
we
we
have
to
deal
with,
but
that
they're
pretty
much
the
reason
why
the
surface
water
protection
areas
so
that
no
other
mines
could
go
into
that
area.
Okay,.
D
J
A
O
That
completely
and
don't
disagree
with
you,
but
there
are
liability
issues.
These
people
spend
a
lot
of
money
on
permitting
they've
spent
a
lot
of
money
to
get
the
entitlements
that
they
currently
have.
If
we
regulate
them
out,
then
there
could
be
liability
issues
for
the
county
and
as
construction
picks
up.
If
some
of
these
mines
and
again
this
is
for
accounting,
why
this
is
applying
to
all
the
mines
are
in
effect
and,
as
John
said,
is,
will
not
they
have
to
go
by
what
they
originally
permanent
to?
They
cannot
modify.
O
They
cannot
do
anything
else,
but
with
everything
picking
up
right
now,
there
is
a
higher
demand,
which
is
why
this
is
hit
the
burner
right
now,
as
we've
been
picking
up
in
terms
of
economic
development,
the
farther
you
have
to
go
for
mining
or
the
material
that
you
get
out
of
these
mines.
That's
an
increased
cost
of
the
consumer,
that's
an
increased
cost
to
local
governments,
and
it's
it's
something
that
we
had
to
look
at.
A
N
That
that
that
is
why
we
would
like
to
see
them
have
to
come
in
for
Reaper
mitting
sooner
than
later,
without
an
administrative
in
the
city
attorney
can
explain
this
way
better
than
I
can,
but
without
an
administrative
issuance
of
that
is.
We
would
enter
into
that
with
the
count
and
perhaps
recommend
that
they
have
certain
bmps,
because
they
are
in
a
more
sensitive
area,
maybe
a
dish,
some
additional
monitoring
we
might
ask
for
and
be
required.
Yeah
there
are
those
sorts
of
activities.
Circling
Thank.
D
N
G
Deborah
Highsmith
and
I'm
speaking
today
as
conservation
chair
of
the
greater
Charlotte
Harbor
Sierra
Club
in
smart
Charlotte
2050,
our
current
comprehensive
plan
minds
cannot,
if
you
have
a
mind,
that's
inactive
or
has
an
expiring
permit.
You
cannot
continue
to
mine
unless
you
come
in
for
a
future.
Land-Use
change
to
mineral
resource
extraction.
A
G
G
It
was
it
was
approved
in
it
was
adopted
in
2010.
It
went
through
an
administrative
challenge
and
was
finally
adopted
in
2011
at
that
time.
If
you
were
a
mine
with
a
permit
expiring
in
2015,
you
should
have
challenged
the
language
and
the
comprehensive
plan.
If
you
had
objections
at
that
time,
operators
chose
not
to
challenge
the
new
language
in
smart,
Charlotte
2050.
Thank.
A
M
Counties
like
Charlotte
County
would,
among
other
things,
adopt
provisions
in
the
comprehensive
plan
to
be
able
to
make
sure
that
they
had
the
opportunity
to
look
at
what
was
being
proposed
as
well
and
maybe
even
adopt
criteria
that
was
might
be
more
stringent
than
what
Swift
mud
was
willing
to
do
for
these
minds,
and
so
the
way
the
county
would
do.
That
is
adopt
a
provision
in
their
comprehensive
plan
and
because
all
development
orders
have
to
be
consistent
with
comprehensive
plan.