City of Punta Gorda Council Meeting 5-20-2015, 20 May 2015

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From YouTube: Punta Gorda City Council 5-20-15 Part 3

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Boring area mm-hmm.

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Undone, so we got to get a fire truck down there. I hurt.

C

You mas'r yeah.

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Ams we have issues.

C

Make it pretty well.

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Now wait with look now: I, don't want us to have to come back again and redesign it again. Let's solve it now we're doing brick on Rhetta. What are we doing with Harvey.

D

The parking spot where it says 16 I, would like to see that wall brick. Okay, what about the middle? The middle? I would like to see her ass and, if it kept, you know.

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This this right here right.

C

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Middle between the parking.

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Space and they drive extreme the driving in.

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The driveway driveway, you see it all prett, okay,.

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I would like to see the brick carried around to the outside. That's where I was thinking, then you have just a big fat, a brick if you have brick in the center and brick on the outside I, like Patty's idea of a fountain in the middle of that well.

A

But again we can't.

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Get that can't.

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Get can't get the.

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Fire truck I would prefer to see grass how.

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About economist Rose, we.

F

There's we've done a lot of different things. This is things more together.

A

Through the years dollars to deal, we can do right now we're now we're dollars to deal with what.

F

Your picture doesn't show right now. I'll just add is that there is a combination of the types of bricks in there. There is two patterns circles of black bricks that are made to resemble the pattern that you have currently at lashley park. So it's not just a straight brick, and I know this was taken off of one overall sheet. But if you looked at the plan set, you can see that a little bit more clearly.

E

Clarify that please.

F

Can I put something on the overhead? If that's okay do.

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Whatever you can do to get an answer, three.

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Second, to.

C

Get us to guess.

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Let's see how well this shows on the omnia.

E

And so what are you saying is in the middle there if.

F

You, if you look- and it's it's a little hard to see with the way they overhead is showing you got lawyer- is a center double soldier course of bricks in the center. You can see, there's there's a circle in there in the middle I. Don't know if everybody can see that yep.

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F

I can point here circle there's another circle in the exterior. Those brutes are black, so you have some design in there. That is meant to resemble Lashley part consistent theme with.

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F

In the city, okay,.

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E

We still have asphalt pavement around the outside of that and we're saying the other center part where the parking spaces are brick. So are we doing brick wall the way around here to where we have asphalt pavement.

A

Right now we have all brick coming into that roundabout and the way I did not hear about bricking we're there now asphalt around fire chief is in the cry room. Would he come on in please.

E

A

What do you think about the difference between asphalt and brick and order to maneuver, EMS and fire trucks? Well,.

G

Certainly the asphalt during the summer times what we experience with the heavier vehicle, so it wouldn't just be fire trucks. It could be sanitation, it could be any heavier vehicles that that asphalt gets a little soft, so it can leave some marks and indentations breaking. If it's done right, you know they certainly hold up. So we can. We can work with either one okay really won't making it. What's your pleasure.

F

Okay, struction structurally for the loads on brick and asphalt is fine. It's the grass that me gets to be a concern. Okay,.

A

So we're going to do the black type, concrete pavers in the metal and bricking everywhere else, so we need to take another redesign and give us a cost estimate that that's our direction and that's doable within our grant timelines. Yes,.

F

And, like I said that that change, I, don't think, will be something that will help get heavy review from the DoD and it's probably best handled when you know in between the 90 and a hundred percent reviews and when I update the estimate and there's no engineering costs associated with that. So when I update the estimates for the hundred percent submission, we can do that. Alternatively, you can also do an add alternate where we can get a cost for that and then once you get the bids back, you can choose based on cost.

F

If you don't want to go brick or or asphalt at that time, so it gives us another option.

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We all on board I.

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Think so councilmember.

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Kiessling comments has stay the course in.

F

Point point of clarification when you said brick on Rhetta you're, just referring to the parking spaces on aretta, not actually breaking ready. No.

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C

Just a parking space today, no I was talking about breaking.

D

Well, they're trying I'm just kidding I strike. We.

E

Might need a special taxing district for docs.

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Everybody on board- I am ok.

E

Are we ok, then, so we're really going to be rubbing the design and kind of leaving old, Florida sort of.

C

Ok, I wouldn't.

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C

Think that we're it's a compromise, because if we did the pictures to pavement, we definitely be leaving old Florida behind ok,.

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So we are doing.

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Compromise I like that, I would agree. Ok, I, like that staff has direction. We.

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Made it all right, I'm going to call a five-minute break.

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Call the meaning to back to order, and we are now on 6b, thirty percent design plans for harborwalk us 41 southbound, underpass improvements. Yes, sir. Thank.

F

You again for the record: Mike chard you low with Wyler engineering I, have six sheets that I'm going to show you on the on the slides here. You also have them printed in front of you, I'm going to I'm going to go through them and then talk about a couple issues along the way. I think everybody's, familiar with the project with just a quick recap. We have an existing approximately five foot wide sidewalk that we want to convert and be more of a component of the multi-use trail.

F

So it's consistent with the other harborwalk sections that we're doing so. We want to lighten that to about 11 foot, clear we're going to use the French curve handrail, which you see around the city there'll, be gravity retaining wall, because when we widen we're not going out towards the water instead we're going towards the bridge, abutments or widening the landward of the existing walk require replacing the slope stabilization under the bridge, which currently is a concrete riprap bag.

F

Slope stabilization and we do a poured concrete, so it may clean or need to eat her face at least right adjacent to the harborwalk you'll see a compass rose decorative feature, some bollards to restrict vehicular traffic now coming from the hotel side on that little access road they have and lighting improvements, post lights, lighted, bollard, also some wallpack lights, underneath the bridge for safety and then possibly putting in some insect gravity, wall lights.

F

So some some lights, but maybe some colored lens, is to provide a little bit of accent, lighting and, and then the other item just to mention is that we will discuss doing this. Clip of the sea wall which eliminates a 90 degree Bend, which I understand and believe, is undesirable for bicyclists.

F

This this first sheet gives you an idea of the concept, the section that we're working with on the left side of your screen. You see the existing harborwalk, which was done at the Punta Gorda waterfront hotel a couple years back on the right side of the screen. You see the parking area for the event center and the existing harborwalk that they did so we're just connecting those two segments of harborwalk which are both. You know about 10 feet wide. As is with this.

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You can see the compass rose feature on the bottom right hand corner there.

F

And then the change with this one is now you can see that compass rose feature is now a full circle and you can see we're clipping about a 45 degree. Clip there to create. You know a wider area for returning I can also see the lighting in here and some different places where we plan to have some lighting a.

F

Couple quick sections like I disgust you can see on the left. That's our existing section. It's only about five feet wide clear with a handrail which is not decorative. What we'll do is we'll move a hand towards the bridge. Abutment, you can see, there's a gravity wall that little concrete triangular-shaped object in the picture there and the new slope stabilization. In order to achieve that, you can also see the clearance here will wind up at the very least because the bridge you know the bridge is on a bank so on one corner.

F

Actually, the corner that's closest to the event center is the lowest corner, so the lowest clearance you have at the right side of the path on that side is 6 foot 9 inches, which is barely enough. For you know, safety for bicycles and pedestrian traffic.

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Raise the bridge if.

F

We went to 12 feet, we might be talking about raising the bridge but 11 feet. We're still all right right now we're at the thirty percent phase, so I'm looking at how to get this job done under the 240 thousand dollars that you guys have budgeted and I think it's real doable. There's some unknowns and I'll discuss those near in a second.

F

But this gives you an idea of what I'm looking at cost-wise the electrical at the bottom there before the subtotal is the biggest you know kind of up the air sort of item we contacted fpl like we would normally do to arrange to get service and fpl said we can give you service. So fortunately, yes,.

D

I'm just going to ask you about that: what's the 65 thousand dollars worth of electrical for we're, putting in some lights and beyond the lights, what's what's going in the.

F

The electrical right now and I and I could have called this an allowance, but what we've? What we've been able to work with Charlotte County and preliminary they've, agreed to allow us to have service from the event center, and that may require some items. It just depends on some load calculations and different things that happen later on. So we know we're definitely going to have the post lights, we're going to have wallpack lights, we're going to have bollard light.

F

Maybe these things that sea wall lights we're going to have conduits we're going to have a new panel, but the way the event center is served right now is from an electrical room. That's inside the event center. It's actually a cross, a concrete parking lot from our site. So this is kind of a worst-case scenario: sort of number. If it comes to it, we have to break up a concrete parking area to run new conduits. There's a few different things.

F

We can do now, I we're going to try everything we can to limit that as much as possible. One thing that may work. Luckily, your lighting supplier makes a kit to convert high-pressure sodium lights to LED and we have existing I, think, there's 11 or 12 on the event centers harborwalk. So conversion of that light might save some power and might give us the power that we need. So we have. We have quite a few options, but that's that's more of a worst case.

F

We need a brand new panel, we need brand new conduits and we need to come from the transformer and the panels that are located. You know within the event center excuse.

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Me why wouldn't a PNL provide service, they.

F

I guess their service location is too far away for us. Well,.

E

That's a hotel right next door and.

F

They you know, and they they can't I guess, provides service through a private property I'm, not really sure what it is. But but judging the you know, I've looked at it and if they were, we were didn't work with the DoD and going to service down the I. Do to you right away. It's quite some distance and there'd, be a significant power drop, so I think, regardless getting served from the event center is probably the most cost effective way to go really.

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F

Just one more thing out on this sheet: I've talked with some sea wall contractors, one of which has done a lot of work within the city and looked at this. You know we have some options on how to accomplish this, but I added 45 thousand dollars on for that clip, which I think would cover us. You know no matter how how we decide to to go about it. So my main purpose of showing you this now consistent, really a refined cost estimate.

F

You know here at the thirty percent plan phase is more to just you know. Let you see that we can probably get this done. You know the budget that you have and another item you know like I had mentioned. When we were talking about the harborwalk, you can always do out alternates. We can bid this out with the alternative of the sea wall clip in the plans. You can see how the pricing comes back and, at that point, make the decision on whether or not you want to actually do it.

F

I don't see any issues with with proceeding that way. Your current contract with wire engineering involves the design portion of the sea wall clip and when I get to the next slide, I'll tell you about the permitting, which is a good position, so you can address that again in a second. Let me go through this next slide.

F

Blow this up and then we'll scroll down this this project, as I'm sure you can imagine, has, is more of a utility and regulatory agency coordination issue. You know, then it really is a major design task. So you know: we've been working very diligently since we've got our authorization to correspond with all these agencies and it's often difficult to get all the right. People in the right place and I think we're on a good track.

F

Right now we actually were able to hold a pre-application meeting with the with the fdot it took a while to figure out who the right people were and then get them all in the same place, very positive feedback, they'll review our plans. You know as we go, we'll get a ride away permit, which should be no issue because we'll have plans reviewed the only you know. The only hurdle here is that the seas lease with them has expired.

F

So when we get all said and done, we'll have to get the surveyor out and he'll have to do a new lease and the city will have to obtain a new lease lease.

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F

If the city, but yes because the city doesn't actually own any property in this project, now all the work is being performed on. You know property owned by primarily the do team, but also also the event center. So they have, they call it like an air space lease just physically to be there. So we have to get that done.

F

We also in order to get any approvals from the Water Management District will have to get them to sign off and I, don't see an issue with getting them to sign off, so I think we're on a good track will be moving towards sixty percent plans, getting them to sign off and then go into the water management district, so I think that's all lined up nicely. At this point, we've sent concepts to the Water Management District.

F

They had free application meeting and they have told us that the project is eligible for an exemption, and one of the things that we had discussed when we were talking about moving forward was the kind of the up in the air of where the mean high-water line is on that little beach area and whether or not encroach the clip. Unfortunately, it does not so that that helps us out a lot.

F

So once we go to the sixty percent phase and we get the sign offs that we need in order to move forward from the d-o-t and from the county, we will be able to apply and get any option from permitting from the Water Management District.

F

The US Army Corps has also indicated that the project is eligible for a no permit required, which was one of those extra fees that if we needed a permit, you would have paid an extra fee for engineering and but they have already seen it and they're actually have that application for under review right now, and we don't foresee any issues there major hurdle there was that the Army Corps requires a consultation with the US Fish and Wildlife Service, and you learned something new on every project and this one was the Florida, bonneted, bat and I.

F

Don't know how much you guys know about the Florida bonnet of that I'll admit: I knew next to nothing, but that is something that is a project. You know delay on a larger projects, primarily in Charlotte County, which is in the core focal area. For this bat, which is you know, on the federally endangered species list and bats like to hang out under bridges.

F

So we were very fortunate because we worked with them. We were able to get the US Fish and Wildlife Service to come out and look at the project. If you've been out I guess on the corner of the event center, you may have noticed that there are bats under the bridge. They are located approximately 150 hundred sixty feet from our project site and there's a lot of them. They said there's at least a thousand under there.

F

So you know if they were the Florida bond and bat, we could have some problems and the way you determine whether they are Florida bonneted bats is you hire somebody who is some sort of bats acoustic consultant of some sort? Those people exist, I, don't know where to find them. So initially they said. Well, you needed to perform this acoustic. Consulting and I was really looking forward to coming and telling you all that we need more money for acoustic consulting. Luckily, one of our engineers, this is brittany.

F

Johnson from Wyler engineering was able to do what she could and she got that acoustic consulting performed at no cost to the city. Thank you. There was some panther people who were doing some related work in the babcock web area and I. Guess you ask really nicely, but we were able to get that done and the acoustic consulting was performed and they are not the Florida bonded bats, so they've whole circle. On that, that's something and keep in mind.

F

These are the type of issues that you see when you, when you hear about these projects, getting hung up for years in the permitting process. So we're going to be pretty quick out of that process. Yes,.

A

Brittany, a bat consultant.

F

She has become a bat expert actually very recently, but she is not the back insult and she worked with the US Fish and Wildlife people worked with these pans and refuge people and were able to get. You know the work done so since it's not on the federal endangered list. The bats are these Brazilian Freetail bats, which is a more common variety which is not regulated regulated by the feds.

F

It is, however, regulated by the Florida Fish and Wildlife concert Conservation Commission, so you got two different commissions: US Fish and Wildlife, and Florida Fish and Wildlife. Once a federal.

H

Agency ones up, you can say all this money on this project. Cuz now people know the bats. Their hope is going to want to break yeah.

F

And again the bats. Luckily, there there about 150 feet away. If you go under the bridge, the the type of pile caps that are there, the type of bridge deck, is all flat. So there's nowhere for them to go underneath our project, you get 150 feet away the bridge, changes and there's little cavities and things for them to go under. So that's that's. Why they're there well.

E

Keep ours clear now.

F

If we've so we're out of the coordination with the US Fish and Wildlife, we did the coordination with the Florida, Fish and Wildlife also and got that completed. The only thing they have is that restrictions they have restrictions to construction activities during their maternity season when they have the babies and that's from April 15 to August fifteenth. So you know they really prefer that you delay construction to until August.

F

That's not that big of a deal except for that I know the event center has more events during that time and this impacts the event center. So it's not the most desirable for that regard. However, there there are no, you know, there's no set rule that says you have to construct during that time.

F

You just you, have a risk if you construct outside that time that somebody comes along and demonstrates that the construction activities are negatively affecting the bats, you could get delayed, I think it's highly unlikely, given the fact that you have cars driving over their heads right now, so they're used to noise. This is an abandoned house somewhere that they exist peacefully and we're going to construct right.

F

Next to them, and also Britney had mentioned to me that when she went out there and watched the acoustic consulting that there was some some guys with some mowing equipment at the event center, which is in much closer proximity to this so they're, so they're used to the noise, so I think it's a very outside chance than anything like that would happen. I think it's highly unlikely that we would have any time can restrictions and I wouldn't recommend you know intentionally trying to phase the project until after august fifteenth.

F

For that reason, on the last agency that we recording with charlotte county again, this is this is because you know the project portion of it is actually located on their property, and we have preliminary, like I said here, agreed with them to get service mark garing. Your city engineer helped us get that in the works and also we're going to have to rely on them a little bit for access.

F

You know again, you have no city property here, so there's only a couple ways that cars can get, construction vehicles can get to the site mats and that's one of them, and we will require their sign off again because we're building on their property for the regulatory approvals and we'll continue to work with them. They've assigned a project manager for us to work with on this as we move forward towards 6900 will keep them involved with with what we're doing and what you know, what the impacts will be.

F

We've met with them and it's very, very positive relationship there. So I don't foresee, there's going to be many hurdles from here will move towards the sixty percent. Get you know all the people reviewing this and getting the design completed as quickly as we can.

E

Rachel have any comments.

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Stay the course.

E

Well, the course could you go back to the diagram with the compass rose on the cut through.

E

I, don't know about the rest of you, but I as a unexperienced bicycle writer. I could really use that cut off going around that corner. Yes, ok.

C

I know that bicycles have a little bit more easier time around a 90-degree, but since I ride a recumbent tricycle, we have a really tough time with 90 degrees, so I would, if we can afford this diagonal I would.

E

Based on the current projections, it appears we can yes tone. I.

D

I write that frequently and I would submit that the first if we built that with a sharp 90-degree corner the first time one of us went to rounded on a bicycle. We be retching, I had to say why didn't we put.

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D

Out of 45 degree angle, so I I'm of the opinion that we shouldn't be bit as an alternate but should be bit as part of the project and I think I'm pricing may turn out to be a little bit better for that. We and.

E

I think it's a safety issue, I think I.

C

Would I I totally agree I think it shouldn't be an alternate I think it should were.

E

There any other options that you wanted us to take a look at no.

F

I mean you can always bid things and then and then pull it out if you needed to save money, so you get competitive pricing on that, so the one other one that I mentioned was like the inset wall lights, which really doesn't provide anything in the way of safety. It's more of an accent, lighting sort of thing.

F

So that's something that you know if if we looked at this and we were a little over and you wanted to bring it down a little bit, there are some couple little area, there's not much I mean this, isn't a major! You know thing where we've done a lot of lot of frills here I mean we're. You know, matching consistency with the other stuff, but it's a you have some options: ok,.

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F

Sage I, I would.

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Urge us to make it a priority in our bidding process that we have the diagonal in there. Yes,.

E

A

Advertised this as widening the harborwalk and hopefully smoothing out that night. So let's just stay the course and and that's what our goal is and.

B

I would agree great there's.

D

Just one more thought that I have is, if there's anything that that that you think that the city can deal with regard to FPL, I, think that we should pursue what I just think that.

B

D

65,000 dollar charge for that electricity, for what we're talking about some some wall lights, there's anything that would.

E

Maybe it's not just low lights. Is it it's the lighting around it.

F

Yeah I mean your post lasers you're, paying five thousand dollars a pop for a post light. You have panels electric conduits, you know you know the bollard lights and everything so and again, that's that's kind of a high side fee and as we move forward towards sixty ninety percent will have more refined estimates.

F

You know one thing that the city may be able to do if it helps like I said: convert converting the existing high-pressure sodium lights, that the event center has to LED lights would save them money for one, but it would also free up some of the power demand for these lights, so that may prove to be an option halothane who supplies you with your lights and many of your your actual wolves and things. They sell a kit for about 300 to 400 dollars per light.

F

That is, they say it's kind of plug and play you can take the one out and say you know, once you learn how to do it. It's really quick to do something like that. So that might be something that the city may be interested in performing rather than having the contractor. Do that I.

C

Realize it may defy logic that fpl and just wouldn't be the go-to, but I know that in working with fpl on our birth store, aisles underground utilities, project things don't come inexpensively, so while it may be possible and fpl might be totally agreeable to do something- the costs- maybe I think.

E

That's what you have been saying, correct.

F

Yeah, it's I mean it's one, it's a considerable distance away. Where you could actually get service, you would have to get an easement through the d.o.t for that service and then you'd have a large power drop. You know, so we would have some bigger wires and different things that would drive the cost of the location. You know, despite the fact that it's across a concrete parking lot, the location of the event center power supply. Is, you know much closer and you know and like I say we're just at the thirty percent plans.

F

We have an electrical engineer. He's done a preliminary view, but he hasn't actually done the design and as he does, that he'll determined, but hopefully we don't have to mess with their concrete parking lot at all and that sixty five thousand dollar fee comes down any.

E

Other comments, questions, ok, guess we can just move on with the addition of making the diagonal absolutely.

F

Thank you very much. Ok. Thank you. Mike.

E

Moving right along we're not going to be discussing our FEMA risk map, update.

I

Good morning, Randall colcci feeling official, this will be the first periodic update that you'll receive on our mapping process. Words we're at the very beginning, it's very preliminary, but Jason's hotter here from Wilder engineering to give you an update on him. Thank you. You.

A

Know this this seems to be the meeting for weiler engineering, we're.

J

Sorry, we missed the last one more.

A

Events, engineering presentations, you're, going to get our zoning official very upset, I'm gonna, be out shining Arizona.

J

Good morning, Jason green from while our engineering, the project manager for the risk map project, as you said earlier in the meeting very progressive, proactive community, and that's one of the reasons why we're here there's a lot of community across Florida that are now going through this process and looking at what Charlotte, County and putting gorda are doing and saying. Why aren't we taking those steps to protect ourselves and whether you know maybe be surprise to you, but sometimes the data that the federal government collects isn't actually accurate.

J

So that's one of the things that we're going to hear be here to help you with top going to go through a couple slides. Your packet, I think, has all the slides. We won't cover a lot of that technical data, because I know you probably have some questions about process.

J

But just the basic theme is: is that we're here to help you we're here to keep an eye on things and we're asking a lot of questions, we're challenging the consultants from the famous side and making sure that you're getting the best of data available most accurate data that reflects what's going on in the community? So just keep that in mind as we go through these and please any questions would be happy to answer a.

H

Good morning, my name again is taught help for the record with weiler engineering. We're pleased to be here today to give you the first update. This will be.

H

One of a number of updates will give you over the next couple years, as we get started in this process, with the FEMA risk map updates a little bit about our team, we're while engineering course we have a couple of specialized to subcontractors with us not here today, but on our team very active in the project Tomasello consulting engineers, who is expert in coastal engineering, modeling and climatological consultants corporation me, dr. Lee Branscombe, whose are well known a meteorologist and also stantec for some surveying assistance. Color job is the project manager at Charlotte County.

H

We work very closely with Clare and then, of course, here Andy Cole at the city in developing the these reviewing these products. The role that we have with FEMA is like Jason mentioned, essentially we're working for you and for the county to represent the local community interest and the and the community involvement in particularly the community local data, a review process as we go through what FEMA provides as their their mapping data and their risk map products.

H

Just as this is the first update, I wanted to give you a quick overview, of course, with anything with federal government you're going to have an acronym and a risk map is actually an acronym. It's risk mapping for flood hazard and risk identification risk assessment at the a for risk, assessment tools and risk planning for hazard mitigation planning and the end result is of all these products in the end is to try to reduce loss of life and property due to flood risk.

H

The vision of risk map courses to deliver quality data, increase public awareness of flood risk and encourage local regional actions that reduce risk, and, at this point, we're really looking at the first one, delivering quality data and, to some extent, public awareness as well. In terms of the early stages of this process, a little bit on the work schedule, the project work schedule again. This is uh this is preliminary schedule so and it does fluctuate, it will fluctuate, but just to give you an idea, the discovery prot, the planning budgeting was completed.

H

Discovery was technically completed, but based on some of our comments through charlotte county and city upon a kurta and the review of the discovery products, we have brought up some pretty significant issues that I will distress out that discovery phrase phase to the end of this year. I'll talk a little bit more about the next phase. Of course, the date of Elton and sharing that's in the works.

H

Now most people want to know when am I going to get one we're going to see preliminary maps of new firm maps, and things like that at this point, there's you're looking at this this time frame here, late, 2016 again, this may be pushed back a little bit, but after that a lot of other things start to happen. Public outreach risk awareness, outreach, some of the various public review and scrutiny processes start and due process and path forward.

H

Of course, so you know that the county planning was this is a five-year project or we just started in September, so we're still in year, one earlier the project a little bit about the.

H

Why do we need to review this now and I mean it may be obvious, and but I want to talk a little bit about it. These.

H

This is the stage when we're building our FEMA's, creating the building blocks that your future flood insurance rate maps will be based on saying things like the flood insurance study, the flight flight information study, the FIS is those are done being updated as part of this project, as well as your your flood zones and you're still water elevations, so you're still our elevations right here, then you have wave action on top of that wave set up and you have run up all of those things start with this part right here, which is still Stillwater elevations and that's the one of the primary building blocks.

H

So we need to look at this data and the preliminary modeling products early on as charlotte, county and city punta gorda has determined, is necessary and we're here to help the existing staff as technical experts on the for this, for this review a couple of things about the task to date. So far the data discovery report report, review, we've completed that and I'll go over a few comments there.

H

The interim dado submittal number one and there's actually five interim data submittals throughout this risk map process and then a couple of one sub tasks that we've looked at I'll kind of review: some findings from that the first one, the discovery comments, the you may be familiar with lidar, it's actually a consolidation of two words: a light and radar. It's a it's! The way that survey data is often collected now, particularly for large areas like Charlotte County, like Southwest Florida, so there's a digital ovation model that was produced in 2007 based on 2007 lidar data.

H

We looked at a few examples of that to determine how accurately that really represents the the shoreline of Punta Gorda and of Charlotte County, and you know it varies, but it represents it pretty. Well, in this case, this is a South Gulf, Cove transect. This is a man, so Dakota Minnesota key transect in the top one.

H

The lidar data is actually about six-tenths of a foot lower than the survey data that we have the traditional survey data and the bottom one it's about six-tenths of a foot higher, so it's consistently one way or the other, but it's not exactly the same as traditional survey. Data that you know, maybe the best data available. But the key part of this that we were concerned about is more the temporal resolution, meaning the date.

H

The data was acquired because there's been a lot of infrastructure developed since 2005, particularly since put Charlie particularly related to elevation of roads, hurricane evacuation routes and so on, particularly in Punta Gorda. Just aqui esta was a and Bert store road I'm, sorry, both of those elevated and those are not going to be reflected on your 2007 era data.

H

So those things are critical, a foot difference here there can make a big difference to the citizens of Punta, Gorda and Charlotte County, when the updated, firm, Maps eventually come from this review process, the IDS one in or interim data sim it'll I. This is just one example of some of the findings, but the yellow here represents the shorelines of Punta order and you'll notice here burnt, store, aisles is not represented a shoreline. There is no lock at inverse or Isles. It's not represented shoreline.

H

If you go over to this, the South Gulf Cove, all of that is represented as shoreline, but there is a lock, so the type of inconsistencies that, when you, when you're mapping, something and I used to do a lot of mapping from DC, you end up with local data. That's not incorporated into your data products.

H

These are the things that we're working with city staff and with county staff, to try to pull together relevant as built data from recent projects relevant like building elevation certificates that are now available in GIS to provide to the survive to phim of the FEMA team to be incorporated into their modeling database. It could make a big difference down the road for the firm maps and then the rest of these are some some storm.

H

Statistics slides, but essentially another important thing other than topographic and elevation data mesh is the probability of of a storm occurrence and how the different storms are selected to to rep risk map. Modeling process. You can select only landfall storms. You can select storms that generate from the Gulf and come in or generate from the Atlantic and come over.

H

So how do they select those- and this is where our our meteorologist and and our Tomasello consulting engineers are really looking closely at those storm tracks because of you, if you're, assuming the probability of a high intensity storm coming from the Gulf, is lower than the probability of high intensity storm coming from the Atlantic side. Excuse.

E

Me could you explain what OWI is OWI.

H

Is that's one of FEMA's I'm? Sorry, that's one of FEMA's sub consultants.

H

Yeah OWI is one of I. Think it's ocean weather Inc is the acronym and there I pologize, there's a lot of acronyms that are probably should have been explained in the slideshow. But it's it's one of FEMA sub consultants. That's that's reviewing and creating the Matt products.

H

I'm going to kind of go through these quickly because I want to make sure we have plenty of time for comments, but essentially we're looking at the storm tracks since 1851, when we have accurate, fairly accurate records for the entire for the study area, which includes our County, includes Lee County.

H

It includes Sarasota, County and desoto, and these are the basic storm tracks over the last landfall storms over since 1851 see hurricane alley, and then these are just different types of storms, some cheering from from the east, some cheering from the Gulf, some generating from the Atlantic.

H

So the next steps we just recently received comment FEMA's responses to our comments. I will say that all of these are comments from our review, our team's review, the county and the city's review and are all documented in a long process, but involves what's called a community disposition form we review. We give a technical response, so there's a great deal of documentation going into this to make sure that FEMA has received our comments and then followed, then follow ups to make sure that FEMA integrates our car. Our comments into, or data into the end result.

H

Unfortunately, at this point, the comments we've got back from FEMA so far have been we're going to address that in ids too, and that's okay, because it's still early on in the process. But you know the next step is okay. It's got to be an IDs to or stop right there and go back. You know community, if you're, not, if you don't take the community input and put it into the process, then then, what's the point of getting the community input, so the other part is the the surgeon wave modeling data.

H

We have requested the mount the topographic and bathymetric modeling mesh data. The data, the GIS data set that is now complete, pending the receipt of the additional data that we're pulling together now with city stands county staff.

H

We have requested that for review at this point, we're going to be getting probably 20 specific areas that we request for data review and then we're going to do some kind of a comparison of what what the city and the county has in terms of data and what FEMA is using for their models and try to get a better assessment of what data we still need to get and out a little bit about future IDs reviews. There will be another on the IDs to storm storm surge model calibration and storm selection.

H

That's coming up there's another one for storm surge, runs and model flood frequency analysis. The ids for is near shore. Hydro, hydraulics, that's an important one. Where you a lot of your a lot of your wave height analysis and brake lines between velocity zones and and aee zones are determined. That's where you get into seeing transsex your f is trans x, that's going to be a real important one to evaluate the data that goes into that and then finally, I ds5.

H

You have your draft flood map hazard mapping so anyway, we're going to be involved through this process. We're working closely with North Randy and the other city staff, as well as a clear job and the county staff, to make sure that that your your local data and local concerns are being included in that process. You.

E

Mentioned that the FEMA has developed the models and you're waiting to review them. Do you know when you're going to receive them.

H

Well, that's a good question: we've.

J

Requested several times the answer has been there's so much data and it's billions of terabytes and all these other things. They don't know how to transfer the data to us, despite that they transfer it back and forth to each other, so we're patiently waiting for that before raising that issue to higher level. It's critical for that information, because, there's time after time with our sub consultants with us with other people across, say, they've recognized that data in the beginning.

J

Those assumptions that you built into the model- yes, the model may be accurate, but it was built on wrong assumptions. So it's local data and those assumptions that they're plugging in it's critical to get that because it can get completely out of whack and show some crazy things at the end, there's been three four feet: changes when they've gone back and found some of these areas in other places. That can obviously that that's not that always the case.

J

Sometimes it is accurate, but we just want to make sure it's accurate, we're hoping to get some of that data so that we can analyze it. They have not shared that with us. Yet do.

E

We have any models of our own. We.

H

The models that we have are at this point are the same source data that they're using. But the problem is that they've combined several different source data as together, and we don't know exactly how that's combined unless we look at that data.

H

So so that's how, when we said we did a lidar, sir, we took transsex and did lidar versus traditional survey, trying to determine how how comfortable we are with the light are being the really the most the base data layer for this modeling, and you know it does represent the topography, but in some areas- and this is what we're going to you're going to see when we get into that ids 34 we're going to go hey your your your lidar data doesn't really represent this area as well as it could, as some of your other datasets, do we're going to recommend that you use that data, because it's more accurate representation of what's on the ground and in other areas there may be a lidar is right on the money with all the other datasets you have.

H

So when we get into those, you know, detail looks at at certain areas. At this point, we haven't really looked at certain areas other than just the in the reports that we've been provided. The IDS one report in the data discovery, port we've, gotten screenshots and examples of this is how we're doing the shoreline. This is shoreline here. Well, even in those simple examples, like I demonstrated their we're finding that there's discrepancies on how they're handling a lock versus not a lock and canal shoreline, and so we're real.

H

We really want to get those you know 20 or so data areas to look at and then, if that still looks to be an issue you, you know we're going to look ask that we can look a lot closer and, of course, this is all anything that we do is we were on it by through Claire job and Randy. Is a hey we'd like to spend a little bit of time on this or this to get to get the proper? You know get a good answer for, for you, I'm.

E

Not sure if you were here, but I was mentioning as we began our meeting that I attended the summit on sea rise and I would be this might not be the perfect time to ask. But I was just wondering what your perspective is in terms of punta gorda and the sea rise levels. I can.

J

We've raised that question and because of the way the laws are written, none of those projections can be accounted for in this. So really in it. You can understand why they've got to have a data snapshot and start from there and then build everything off of that, but that's again why we want to make sure we want to make sure there's not over estimations or under estimations. We wanted to want it to be right. It's todd was mentioning just to kind of go back on that point.

J

It's critical at this point, partly because if it comes to a point where, as a community, you disagree with certain aspects of their draft maps, that's where your appeal process comes in. We want to make sure that you are aware to make those decisions of which ones are worth it, which ones are worth the time and effort and the money and it's more of a scalpel and we're cutting out neighborhoods or areas that we think are more affected versus some that may be within you know: half a foot or a couple inches.

J

We want you to be able to have the details as opposed to let's just appeal, the whole map and then that's a very expensive and timely process. You may not need to do that, so the goal is to be able to fine-tune it, so you can make those fiscal decisions and which is the most efficient for you in the community, but as far as sea level rise know, there's a no component of that as part of this John.

D

Yes, some female remap mapping has been completed. I think correct me if I'm wrong in the Sarasota, what what areas are you familiar with that? Have you looked at.

J

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Deadens so.

J

D

Been anything that you could draw from that remapping that may impact your thinking in one way or another. It's.

J

A good question because there's confusion about how they're doing the mapping and what phases they are, the digitalization of the they were called d firms. Getting those affirms into digital format is what soda went through charlotte county has been through. Lee County has been through, Sarasota took seven years, where the other counties took two years or three years to go through that process. That's why they're still going through that process?

J

It's just the digitalization well hung them up is because they had all of these tributaries and these sloughs being restarted and re-evaluated so they're actually way way way behind what the other communities are there doing the risk map process, this coastal process right now and they're having conflicts, because they've got these digital maps being adopted or going to be adopted at the same time that they're reevaluating, you will have the rest of your Maps Charlie County in a few years, so the risk map comes through as a storm surge and the V zones, and all that type of thing, and then the rest of the county will get riri analyzed for the remapping of the flood zone.

J

Several years from now, so really all the d firm did was just trying to make it a digital and update some of those high impact areas. So there's going to be another process to this- probably seven years down the road, but it's important to make sure that this part is right because they do feed into each other. It doesn't just cut off at the end of the Peace River or east Charlotte. It doesn't just drop off. You got to make sure that they blend in well with each other.

J

That's what we've seen on some of these maps is: there's a drop-off at a county line for some reason. Just because the way they did the Lee County and then they do Charlotte County a little bit differently, and you don't want that drop-off there shouldn't be, it makes sense. There's not a foot difference between one community in another community.

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For helping us take a leadership role, yes, we appreciate it. Thank you. Okay, we're gonna, go and move on to our discussion, to consider exceptions for water, craft storage and the SR district good.

K

Morning for the record, Terry tabs on an official City Council had amended the ordinance regarding water craft storage to clarify the watercraft needed to be stored. Water word of the sea wall staff had received emails from a resident who says he's been a resident for over 30 years, indicated that for the past 30 years as a brought his boat out of the water with the davits SAT it on a wooden cradle in his rear yard.

K

As part of his email, he indicated he would be out of town for a dented period over the summer and had concerns about leaving the watercraft on the davits water side of the sea wall. In case there was a storm or inclement weather that came along, and he was looking for a way where there would be opportunity to get a permit or some sort of temporary approval to have the watercraft on the cradle and tied down. So that should bad weather come through, while he's out of town that the watercraft would stay put.

K

There is nothing you know as far as that in the current code, and so how it's asking me to put it on for discussion.

D

I had asked that this report back to us and the reason that I asked for it is I, have no problem. We change the ordinance and I find with that. The only question I had is if we could give a tie, give some a time frame to some of these individuals that they can possibly go and get a lift, built or arrange for storage in some other place. I just thought that if we could give them a time frame, it would be helpful for them to conform to be the new ordinance.

D

Is that it it's not a new ordinance? Well, it's the.

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Of the original one XL racial.

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Have any comments enforce.

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C

Agree with Rachel there are plenty of places to go, store, boat and I. Think you know I understand the residents request. However,.

C

What's to say that somebody's going to go north for the summer and I want to store my boat on my lawn over the summer, either all kinds of situations that we could get ourselves into and I think that, quite honestly, that's why there are dry storage areas and that's why their businesses out there that do this and I think that we need to enforce our code very.

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E

It's a consensus then that we stay with the code.

E

You can have your marshals.

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Going back to the harbor one.

E

This now we'll look at the concept plans for harbor, walk behind the Lashley Park municipal, marina and the Lashley crab house center.

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L

Morning, mark garing public works better they're here to present our harborwalk design behind the crab house marina building. This is a project that came to us through the sales tax and it's one that we think we can handle in-house. We started down the path, but we did have to pull wire in for a little bit of it. We need a survey to furnish to fdot. In this case again, this is within, do tease property. Do t owns the property right up through our boat dock, our boat launch.

L

It's actually do t right away right through there, so in order to construct their harborwalk there we had quebec do t and we were reminded that our open air space agreement had expired and we have, while are working on that now, as well as the other. How.

E

Long, do we get that lease see.

L

The five or seven years, I'm not sure what it is, go a gender to introduce the project. What we're doing is trying to connect a part of the the harborwalk that requires you to go through the crab house parking lot, basically to get from one part to the other. It will start there at the billions there's a ramp that goes down to the boat. Docks that same ramp will be used to get down to the harbor.

L

Walk will build a concrete path through the grass area behind the Crab House and the marina store and cross the boat ramp. We've measured the boat ramp, the cars and trucks that launch boats. There will have plenty of room to be fully in the water, launching their boats and then pull up and tie them off the what they do and then move forward to the rest of the park. So there will be some traffic, but it's not like the path will be closed off two thirds of the day, while people are moving their boat.