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From YouTube: Punta Gorda City Council 9-16-2015 Part 3
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A
It
would
involve
upland
gardens
and,
as
Richard
indicated,
they
will
be
all
native
plants
to
show
people
what
they
can
do
in
their
garden
to
make
it
attractive.
Well,
the
education
pavilion
is
part
of
our
management
plan
through
the
Department
of
Environmental
Protection.
They
oversee
this
project
and
because
of
the
prompt,
the
way
that
the
area
has
been
maintained,
we
are
now
on
a
five-year
review
process
rather
than
an
annual
inspection
of
the
area,
so
we
will
be
seeing
them
in
five
years.
We've
just
had
our
last
approval
rating
and
they
expanded
that
inspection.
A
All
of
the
paths
will
be
a
DA
compliant,
which
is
something
we
have
a
little
bit
of
trouble
with
in
the
phase
one
area
we
are
currently
fixing
that,
with
the
implementation
of
the
furniture,
we
will
now
have
a
DA
compatible
areas
for
people
to
use.
So
it's
big
improvement
in
that
phase,
one
section
and
we'll
carry
that
from
the
very
beginning
and
faced
ok.
This
is
area
two
phase,
one
but
area.
One
phase,
one
little.
A
Move
on
phase
two
of
the
project
will
involve
additional
gardens,
as
additional
paths
get
put
in
we're.
Also
looking
as
part
of
that
education
component
and
the
educational
shelter
that
will
have
their
the
pavilion.
We
want
to
have
a
safe
drop-off
point
for
the
students.
They'll
come
down.
Aqui
esta
have
that
drop-off
right
on
to
the
property
and
then
they'll,
the
kids
do
not
have
to
cross
any
streets.
They'll
be
able
to
come
right
to
that
pavilion
and
we'll
add
that
ad,
a
compliant
walkway
from
the
drop
off
point
there
to
the
the
center.
A
The
Education
Center
crosswalk
connections
are
going
to
be
important.
That
section
along
a
key
estar
right
now
is
heavily
traveled
by
a
bunch
by
walkers
on
a
regular
basis,
the
ability
for
them
to
cross
safely
at
that
San
Marino
court
area.
This
will
be
a
big
improvement
and
again.
Safety
issue
is
a
concern,
we'll
go
ahead
and
do
some
breaking
or
some
brick-like
feature
in
the
roadway
with
that
slow
down
a
traffic,
so
they
are
aware
of
the
pedestrian
crossing
and
again,
all
of
this
will
be
a
DA
compatible.
A
Phase.
Three
will
include
just
an
improve
additional
upland
gardens
as
well.
If,
if
we
do
add
the
additional
paths,
then
the
sidewalk
completion
along
aqui
hasta
drive,
there
will
be
done,
it'll
complete
from
the
San
Marino
crossing
to
the
southward
or
eastward
to
the
condominiums.
They
are
the
development
there
and
make
that
connection.
So
people
have
a
safe
way
to
connect
there.
We
also
hope
to
include
in
in
our
command
our
sidewalk
lists
that
we
have
at
the
in
urban
design.
A
A
A
So
but
we
need
to
have
Council's
approval
on
the
constant
plan,
the
idea
itself
changes
may
occur
as
we
move
through
the
development
and
then
just
the
opportunity
to
apply
for
grants
which
we
will
bring
back
to
you
and
make
you
aware
of
what
we're
applying
for
and
if
there
will
be
any
cost
to
that.
Joan.
A
C
C
Not
being
and
people
are
many
of
them,
you
know
the
drivers
are
not
attending
to
the
bicyclists.
So
as
we
talked
about
bicycle
friendly
and
things
like
that,
we
really
need
to
take
a
look
at
the
kia
stuff,
because
that
is
a
kind
of
a
1-1
lane.
But
the
other
comments
that
we
did
get
was
that
under
Gord
is
beautiful.
We
love
travelling
on
her
bikes
through
Punta
Gorda,
so,
but
that
was
the
one
street
that
they
were
identifying,
that
you
know
they
don't
go
down
that
Street
anymore,
because
it's
too
it's.
C
A
A
E
A
C
C
C
H
H
Case
was
continued.
We
now
have
a
date
of
november
nineteenth
and
twentieth,
and
it's
going
to
be
at
the
charlotte
harbor
events
center
beginning
at
nine
o'clock.
The
two
main
witnesses,
the
city's
expert,
hydrologists
two
and
the
interviewers
expert-
have
not
yet
testified,
and
that's
what
will
be
primary
focus
of
the
continuation
I
had
a
deposition
took
the
deposition
of
the
intervenors
hydrologist
expert
on
Monday
of
this
week,
and
that
lasts
about
almost
little
bit
more
than
five
hours
after
that
deposition.
H
My
my
conclusion
was
that
it
hears
that
the
methodology
that
our
expert
utilized
in
order
to
ascertain
whether
the
proposed
amendments
at
the
potential
of
adversely
impacting
the
water
quality
and
water
quantity
of
shale
Creek
were
agreed
to
be
acceptable
and
appropriate
by
the
witnesses.
The
witness
for
the
intervene
or
where
they
disagree
is
what
how
much
impact
and
and
I
think
I
think
the
fact
that
there
will
be
an
impact
on
water
quality
in
order
quantity
will
be
a
will
be
demonstrated
satisfactorily
to
the
judge
and
really.
H
The
crux
of
our
case
is
that
by
reducing
the
water
quality
and
quantity
of
shale
Creek
during
ticular
times
of
year
way
becomes
critical.
The
proposed
amendment
would
then
be
inconsistent
with
the
provisions
of
the
county's
comprehensive
plan
that,
generally
speaking,
are
intended
to
prevent
adverse
impacts
to
water
quality
and
quantity
of
shale
Creek,
so
I
think
we're
on
were
on
the
right
track.
When
you,
when
you
attended
the
hearing,
one.
H
But
even
then,
as
I've
mentioned
in
the
past,
the
attorneys
get
the
transcript
and
pick
out
from
the
transcript
the
evidence
that
supports
its
case,
and
it
makes
a
legal
argument
based
on
that
which
the
judge
will
then
review
and
and
say.
Oh
yes,
that
was
in
the
transcript
I.
Remember
that
and
then,
based
on
all
that
being
put
together
in
a
logical
format,
will
be
able
to
come
up
with
a
with
a
conclusion.
G
E
H
But
so
that
is
really
among
the
reasons
why
I
think
the
city
is
pursuing.
This
case
is
that
these
permits
will
have
been
in
existence
for
approximately
ten
years
when
the
request
for
extension
is
made,
and
we
should
have
an
opportunity
to
question
the
permits
and
the
extension
of
the
permits
at
that
time
to
determine
whether
or
not
the
permit
in
in
its
original
form
what
met
the
requirements
of
the
law
so
that
there
wouldn't
be
an
impact
to
shale
Creek
and
certainly
under
today's
regulations.
H
D
No,
so
from
what
what
I
could
gather-
and
it
is
difficult
to
do
that,
so
what
the
county
is
saying
is
that,
because
DEP
and
Swift
mud
oversees
this
that's
good
enough
for
them,
along
with
the
miners
engineers
signing
off
saying
you
know,
nothing's
happening,
so
they
are
saying
and
I
know.
It
is
a
very
stringent
process
to
go
through
Swift
mud
and
dep,
but
you're.
What
I'm
gathering
from
you
is
that
are
in
our
expert.
Dr.
H
That
was
not
something
that
they
look
at
and
the
I
argued
briefly
to
the
judge
so
that
you
know
to
kind
of
clue
him
in
as
to
what
our
concerns
were.
That
permits
that
were
issued
by
swift
mud
or
well,
then
there's
two
different
permits
that
would
like
an
issue.
Neither
one
of
those
permits
are
required
to
take
into
consideration
the
comprehensive
plan
provisions
of
the
charlotte
county
plan
of
charlotte
charlotte
county
comprehensive
plan
intended
to
protect
the
quality
and
quantity
of
shale
Creek.
C
E
H
And,
and-
and
the
crux
of
our
case
is
because
again,
this
is
a
unique
case
in
that
we
are
attacking
the
amendment
to
the
comprehensive
plan.
Utilizing
the
statute
that
dictates
how
comprehensive
plan
amendments
can
be
challenged
and
it's
very
narrow
in
what
scope
of
challenge
we
can
launch
and
one
of
them
and
the
one
that's.
The
primary
argument
in
our
case
is
that
the-
and
this
is
requirement,
the
statute,
that
the
proposed
amendment
must
not
be
inconsistent
with
other
provisions
of
the
county's
comprehensive
pant
and
at
kylies.
H
Comprehensive
plan
has
quite
a
number
of
provisions
that
are
intended
to
protect
the
city's
drinking
water
are
intended
to
protect
the
natural
environment
in
general
and
the
quantity
and
quality
of
water
in
shelf
in
the
shale
Creek
watershed
in
particular,
and
because
it's
because
of
the
work
that
dr.
Kincaid
has
done
and
is
his
n.n
as
as
the
expert
for
the
other
side
has
agreed.
B
G
If
anybody
ever
watches
this
on
TV,
when
we
say
the
city's
potable
water
supply,
when
we,
the
definition
of
city,
is
just
not
within
the
city's
boundaries,
half
of
our
utility
service
area
is
outside
the
city
and
unincorporated
Charlotte
County.
So
when
we
say
city's
water
supply
that
hose
city
residents
and
unincorporated
Shogun
covers.
C
H
H
There's
a
less
sexy
provision
and
Howard
said
you
know
we
probably
aren't
going
to
win
on
the
on
the
portion
of
the
comprehensive
plan,
Charlotte
counties,
comprehensive
plan
that
provides
for
meaningful
input
by
city
of
Punta
Gorda
with
respect
to
amendments
that
would
affect
the
city
and
we
at
the
hearing.
We
talked
a
little
bit
about
meaningful
input
and
you
know
what
constitutes
meaningful
input.
There
was
a
that
language
meaningful
input.
D
H
Meaningful
public
input
if
the
decision
had
already
been
made
by
evidence
of
the
application
for
that
particular
type
of
bridge,
they
were
opposed
to,
and
in
this
case,
which
is
somewhat
unique
as
well.
As
you
know,
Charlotte
County
adopted
the
regulations
for
mine
before
they
adopted
the
comprehensive
plan
amendment
that
was
supposed
to
be
supporting
those
regulations
and
I
think
that
it's
not
beyond
the
realm
of
legal
argument
that
administrative
law
judge
in
our
case
would
not
find
at
least
somewhat
persuasive
a
decision
of
another
administrative
law
judge
same
agency
from
years
ago.
H
D
B
D
With
the
county-
and
you
know,
how
can
we
do
better?
How
can
we
not
let
something
like
this
happen
again?
I
mean
I,
know,
I
Joan
testified
when
I
was
there
and
said
that
she
found
out
about
it
from
a
citizen
who
had
called
her
and
to
let
her
know
that
this
was
happening
and
then
I
know
we
went
to
the
hearing
and
stuff,
but
I
know
none
of
us
have
time
to
go
sit
at
their
meetings
or
you
know,
and
hit
or
miss
do
I
watch
it
on.
D
You
know
see
the
TV
or
whatever
it
is,
but
and
we're
not
going
to
decide
this
today,
I'm
just
saying
in
our
minds
if
we
can
come
up
with
a
way
and
Eve
after
this
is
over
whatever
work
with
the
county
and
say
you
know,
we
have
to
work
to
get
we're
all
one.
We're
part
of
the
county.
I
mean
work
so
well.
H
C
G
G
C
Well,
I
would
say:
let's
keep
trying
I,
don't
know
what
else
we
can
do,
but
it
seems
that
again,
even
after
this,
as
you're
saying,
we
need
to
have
a
face-to-face
meeting
with
our
counterparts
on
the
County
Commission
so
that
we
can
talk
through.
How
do
we
work
these
out
in
the
future?
We
don't
need
to
be
going
into
litigation.
We
need
to
be
able
to
manage
this
in
some
civilized
way.
Work.
C
H
H
E
H
H
B
G
H
Well-
and
you
can
I
mean
you
know,
you
can
look
at
the
applications
and
I
do,
and
that's
probably
at
will
be
part
of
the
evidence
that
I'll
be
putting
in,
because
I'm
also
going
to
be
calling
as
our
witness
as
an
adverse
witness.
The
counter
use
engineer
who
was
on
the
stand
as
a
witness
for
the
county
to
review
the
applications
and
the
various
environmental
impact
statements
that
they
say
that
they're
relying
upon
and
you
can
easily
see
that
that
information
is
not
there.
C
J
H
C
C
H
C
K
F
L
L
C
K
M
G
M
C
L
L
C
C
C
C
Thirty,
at
the
event,
center
there'll
be
a
number
of
speakers
I
will
be
speaking
along
with
represented
from
the
sheriff's
office
superintendent
schools
in
a
coalition
of
clergy,
our
county
commissioner
bill
Truex
are
our
police
interim
police
chief
Tom
Lewis,
along
with
our
warden
and
Reverend
Lewis
Anderson.
So
it's
a
nice
program
that
they've
put
together
and
you
all
are
invited
it's
at
five
thirty
tomorrow
at
the
events
center
and
that's
all
I
have
so
other
council
members
comments.
C
B
J
H
To
follow
up
on
that,
though,
the
because
I
remember
years
ago,
using
the
the
mills
thickness
of
the
mag
for
similar
ordinances
and
other
jurisdictions,
technology
is
improved,
though,
and
I
think
you
mentioned
those
those
flex
bags
which
I
we
use
it
at
home
as
well
and
and
I.
Don't
know
that
those
are
necessarily
measured
by
Mills,
but
they
may
may
be
measured
by
I'm,
not
sure
why
terminology
but
tare
weight
yeah.
That
would
indicate
how
much
pressure
it
would
take
force
would
take
to
break
the
bag.
H
H
J
Yeah
I
mean
my
whole
thing
is
just
making
something
available:
that's
easily
available
to
our
residents,
I'm,
not
trying
to
nitpick
here
but
I.
Think
when
I
started
looking
for
for
1.5
I
couldn't
find
them
and
and
so
we're
putting
in
in
in
an
ordinance
that
we're
asking
our
residents
to
go
out
and
find
something
in
search
for
something.
And
how
realistic
are
we
being
and.
L
B
L
J
C
M
I
just
wanted
to
mention
I'm
on
the
board
of
check
on
the
city's
representative,
Charlotte
Harbor
environmental
center
and
they're.
Having
two
awesome
events
coming
up
november.
Seventh
are
having
Clyde
butcher,
the
famous
photographer
black-and-white
photographer,
meet
and
greet,
and
then
his
one
of
his
traveling
photography
exhibits
will
be
at
check
for
a
couple
of
months.
M
I,
don't
have
all
those
dates
with
me,
but
it's
on
their
website
in
her
Facebook
and
then
we've
had
a
new
executive
director
for
a
year
now,
Thomas
hecker
and
he's
from
Naples,
formerly
with
the
Naples,
botanical
garden
and
he's
an
event
guy
and
so
they've
come
up
with
the
inaugural
event,
hopefully
to
be
a
signature,
fundraising
event
for
check
and
it's
called
harvest
for
the
harbor.
It's
November
13thfriday
at
the
Lashley
Park
pavilions.
M
It's
a
multi-course
farm-to-table
sunset
dinner
with
famous
chefs
tour
from
Naples
and
one
is
from
our
river
city
grill,
and
it's
going
to
be
an
awesome
event
and
they
have
a
Facebook
page
harvest
for
the
harbor
and
it
is
limited
seating.
So,
if
you're
interested,
you
can
go
online
and
buy
tickets
right
away,
it'll.
D
Year
or
people
you
know
talked
about
getting
together
and
John.
I
guess
is
for
my
understanding.
It
just
wants
to
you,
know
kind
of
make
it
go
back
to
the
way
it
was
a
smaller
event,
just
lighting
the
tree
and
not
having
the
big
stage
and
that
type
of
thing,
and
so
you
know,
a
group
of
people
got
together
and
talked
about
it
and
it
really
it
kind
of
is
for
the
downtown
merchants.
If
you
will
I
mean
it's
for
all
of
us,
obviously,
but
I
mean
and
I
and
the
group
pretty
much
decided.
D
If
they
took
it
on
this
year,
then
they
would
be,
they
would
be
it
and
it
they're
really
not
downtown
merchants.
So
if
John
you
know,
John
represents
the
downtown
merchants.
If
they
don't,
if
they
don't
care
and
they
want
it
to
just
be
a
little
event,
then
that's
okay,
okay,
that
was
the
conclusion.
Yes,.
J
It
also
suggested
possibly
the
founders
day.
That's
growing,
December,
first
27,
the
problem
is
it's
after
thanksgiving,
and
so
the
whole
idea
of
having
the
lighting
before
thanksgiving
is
to
stimulate
shopping.
If
its
founders
day,
then
it
won't
get
lit
until
sometime
the
reverse
through
seven,
so
that
you
know
is
a
discussion
item.
It
seemed
like
when
I
went
to
the
founders
day.
Meeting
John
really
wanted
to
give
it
up
to
the.
D
C
M
D
M
Problem
is
the
expense
the
the
expense
of
putting
on
the
event
is
what
the
issue
is.
Yes,
nobody
really
wants
to
take
that
on
I
mean
I
just
so
when
we
when
I,
did
it
a
few,
however
many
years
ago,
that
was
that
some
people
don't
like
it
before
Thanksgiving.
You
know
they
want
their
Thanksgiving
season
and
then
they
want
the
holiday
season.
So
I
think
that's
debatable
about
the
timing,
but
the
merchants
wanted
it.
The
merchants
Dumont
it.
B
G
D
It
it
can
be
changed,
but
what
we
talked
about
in
the
meeting
also
is
that
that's
a
thursday
night
and
I
mean
everyone
comes
out
for
the
tree.
Lighting,
young
and
old,
on
Thursday
night
for
kids,
get
kids
home
from
school,
get
them
fed,
get
them
out
to
the
tree.
Okay
come
on,
I've
got
to
get
back
to
go
to
bed
to
get
up
and
go
to
school
the
next
day.
So
we
were
what.
M
C
G
J
Rachel
is
going
to
represent
us
at
the
founders
day
next
week,
because
I
can't
go
I,
know
than
other
item
that
dick
come
up
through
email
is
possibly
incorporating
tours
of
this
dork
City
Hall
as
a
part
of
it,
which
I
think
would
be
great
idea
and
got
gussied
Baker
has
information
about
what
used
to
go
on
in
the
old
the
building
when
it
was
someone's
home.
So
there's
a
lot
of
possibilities.
There.
F
Lighting
in
the
Christmas
tree,
the
big
Christmas
tree
has
always
been
a
city
tradition
and
it's
the
city
function.
I
think
the
city
should
take
that
on
tert,
putting
it
in
november
nineteenth
is
ridiculous.
I
think
we
should
keep
it
where
it
is
in
the
early
December
like
we
always
had
it.
The
Friday
before
with
the
parade
and
I
know
the
merc.
The
merchants
have
always
wanted
to
have
their
own.
They
had
their
Christmas
tree
down
at
the
other
part,
I
think
the
big
tree
is
a
city
function.
F
N
N
Oh
I'm,
sorry,
my
name
is
Gary
wine
and
eventually
I'm
going
to
be
a
council
member,
and
the
first
issue
I
want
to
address
is
the
volunteerism
that
I
was
forced
upon
me
by
the
Honorable
Rachel
Kiessling.
I.
Just
would
like
to
just
share
that
I
have
done
a
very
cursory
internet
during
the
break
and
found
out
that
this
is
not
an
unusual
problem
for
other
communities
which.
N
N
Secondly,
relative
to
the
the
shale
Creek
and
the
protection
of
the
rights
of
the
city
towards
that
I
just
want
to
tell
David
that
I'm
behind
you
I
realized
that
these
are
not
gold
mines
and
iron
mines.
We
have
cyanide
and
arsenic
issues
that
we
have
to
deal
with,
and
the
impact
is
a
mathematical
issue
that
could
always
be
up
for
debate,
but
I
think
that
there's
a
principle
that
is
being
pursued
here
that
is
certainly
worthwhile.
So
I
just
want
to
share
that
comment
with
me,
so
that
you
know
where
I
stand
coming
number.
C
We
have
our
budget
meeting
at
501,
so
please
take
notice
that
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
Florida,
will
conduct
a
meeting
pursuant
to
section
4
47
dot,
605
Florida
Statutes,
to
discuss
collective
bargaining
in
the
matter
of
I
AFF
negotiations
on
September
16
2015
immediately
following
the
regular
City
Council
meeting.
This
meeting
will
take
place
in
the
third
floor
conference
room
city
hall.