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Regular City Council Meeting 12-7-2022
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Before
before
we
begin,
the
main
part
of
the
meeting
I
would
also
just
like
to
have
us
take
a
moment
of
silence
in
memory
of
Deputy
Christopher
Taylor,
who
was
killed
in
the
line
of
duty
last
week.
Several
of
us
in
the
room
were
at
the
funeral
service
and
I
was
very
emotional,
and
it
was
very
poignant,
and
certainly
very,
very
tragic.
So,
let's
just
take
a
moment
of
silence.
Please.
B
Thank
you
and
our
prayers
go
out
to
the
ccso
and
Deputy
Taylor's
family.
Okay,
our
next
meeting
won't
be
until
January
will
be
January
4th
at
9
00
a.m.
In
this
room
with
regard
to
our
agenda,
does
anyone
have
any
changes
to
the
agenda?
I
just
know
of
one
thing
that
is
agenda
item
6B
will
be
a
public
hearing,
it'll
be
the
first
reading
of
a
public
hearing.
So
we'll
do
that
as
a
public
hearing
when
we
get
to
that
on
the
agenda.
B
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H
Kyle
became
a
paramedic
in
2013..
He
takes
on
additional
tasks
without
being
asked.
He
organizes
our
medical
supply
room
and
places
order
for
medical
supplies
which
is
Big
undertaking
for
us.
He
also
serves
on
our
ladder
truck
committee,
our
Safety
Committee
and,
as
a
member
of
our
honor
guard,
Kyle
has
received
numerous
letters
of
appreciation
from
the
citizens
that
he
serves
and
he
was
also
awarded
the
pgfd
Chiefs
award
in
2017.
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She
has
devoted
herself
to
keeping
the
city
moving
forward
with
intelligent,
Common,
Sense
growth
and
development
that
maintains
the
city's
small
town,
charm
and
character.
Now,
therefore,
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
Florida,
does
hereby
Proclaim
December
31st
2022
as
Lynn
Matthews
day
pass
and
duly
adopted
a
regular
session.
The
seventh
day
of
December
2022
city
of
Punta
Gorda
Florida,
signed
Melissa
Lockhart.
Vice
mayor,
happy
birthday,.
B
Thank
you
Melissa.
We
have
another
Proclamation
this
morning
and
it's
my
honor
and
privilege
to
present
this
Proclamation
regarding
our
annual
Christmas
parade,
whereas
the
Charlotte
County
Chamber
of
Commerce
is
devoted
to
enriching
the
business,
Civic
and
cultural
aspects
of
Charlotte
County
and
whereas
the
Christmas
season
has
been
traditionally
celebrated
with
a
chamber-sponsored
Christmas
parade
by
the
citizens
and
visitors
to
the
community
and
whereas
the
44th
annual
Christmas
parade
will
commence
at
12
o'clock
on
the
afternoon
of
December,
10
2022
and
whereas
fishing
you
a
Merry
Christmas.
B
Is
this
year's
parade
theme
and
whereas
the
parents
of
little
ones
should
note
the
one
and
only
Mr
s,
Claus
will
travel
thousands
of
miles
to
attend
the
historic
event
in
the
beautiful
city
of
Punta
Gorda.
Now,
therefore,
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
Florida,
does
hereby
Proclaim
Saturday
December
10
2022
as
Christmas
Parade
day
and
urges
all
citizens
to
share
in
the
fun
at
the
Christmas
parade
past
and
Julie,
adopted
in
regular
session.
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B
B
B
Please
silence
all
personal
devices
if
you
have
them
with
you,
as
this
meeting
is
being
recorded
and
it
disrupts
the
proceedings
when
phones
go
off
during
the
meeting.
There
is
a
code
of
conduct
which
you
should
familiarize
yourself
with
on
the
screen.
Members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
address
the
council
should
use
the
guest
Podium
at
the
center
of
the
room.
B
If
it's
a
quasi-judicial
hearing
when
it
comes
to
the
quasi-judicial
hearing,
you
will
also
have
to
state
that
you've
been
sworn
in.
Each
person
has
three
minutes
to
speak
and
sharing
minutes
is
not
permitted.
Speakers
are
to
direct
all
comments
to
the
city
council,
not
the
audience
or
any
one.
Individual
council
member
discussion
between
speakers
and
members
of
the
audience
is
not
permitted
when
there
are
many
individuals
who
wish
to
speak.
Speakers
should
try
not
to
reiterate
lengthy
comments
made
by
others
to
ensure
an
effective
and
efficient
meeting.
B
This
ensures
everyone
has
an
opportunity
to
speak
audience
and
speakers
will
be
courteous
in
their
language
and
presentation.
No
applause,
sidebar
conversations
booing
before
during
or
after
each
speaker.
Please
refrain
from
talking
in
the
audience
during
the
meeting.
If
you
have
supporting
documents
with
you
that
are
displayed
during
the
meeting,
you
must
provide
copies
to
the
city
clerk
that
will
become
part
of
the
permanent
record.
The
citizen
comments
portion
of
the
meeting
is
not
intended
to
be
a
question
and
answer
session.
This
is
for
citizen
comments.
B
L
Wendy
Mueller
Punta
Gorda,
two
things
I
understand.
In
fact,
I
was
adamantly
told
that
the
activity
center
is
could
put
there's
just
one
thing:
I
wish
that
you
would
consider
and
I
hope
that
it
hasn't
been
destroyed.
The
Boy
Scout
Troop
should
be
memorialized
saved.
Some
of
the
paneling
saved
the
front
gate
peace
with
the
Boy
Scout
sign
on
it,
use
it
in
the
future,
for
whatever
you
decide
to
do
with
that
property,
but
it
is
something
that
was
part
of
our
our
history
and
I.
Just
hope.
You'll.
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M
We've
had
some
difficulty
in
trying
to
figure
out
what
are
unique
to
the
Planning
Commission
and
what's
a
city-wide
board
or
commission
issue,
and
we've
been
trying
to
split
those
and
have
gotten
a
lot
of
help
from
Sarah
and
the
city
clerk's
office,
as
they
start
to
sort
of
revise
the
city.
Handbook
I
would
encourage
revising
the
city
handbook.
It
does
need
to
be
updated
in
a
couple
of
areas.
M
Some
of
the
ordinances
are
cited
in
and
have
been
replaced
and
things
along
those
lines
more
than
willing
to
help
as
a
board
member
in
that
process,
and
also
would
like
to
appeal
looking
again
at
today's
agenda.
I
see
that
for
the
code
enforcement
board
there
are
three
primary
members
and
two
alternates
still
missing
out
of
a
seven
member,
two
alternate
board
that
gives
us
five
members
we're
due
to
meet
next
week.
That's
the
first
meeting
we've
had
since
before
Ian.
M
At
that
board,
we
had
four
people
show
up:
that's
barely
a
quorum
four
out
of
seven
one
of
our
members
is
due
to
retire
in
January.
That's
four
that
is
barely
a
quorum.
We
need
to
find
some
way
to
fill
these
vacancies
with
qualified
people
either
that
or
change
the
number
of
people
we
have
on
the
board
which,
by
the
way
our
commission
decided,
they
didn't
really
want
to
do.
N
Good
morning,
Council
first
may
I
say
it's
so
nice
to
see
the
community's
Christmas
tree
lit
this
past
Friday
in
even
more
heartwarming
to
see
the
community
support
for
this
annual
event.
After
all
that,
we've
been
through
these
past
few
months,
it's
not
easy
to
put
up
Christmas
during
the
recovery
of
a
hurricane
tropical
storm
hats
off
to
your
staff,
for
bringing
the
light
to
our
downtown
area
again
on
your
agenda.
N
Today,
you
will
having
you
will
be
having
a
preliminary
discussion
about
the
bay
front
center
in
the
past,
there's
been
various
vested
parties
in
our
community
and
many
different
plans
which
have
been
developed:
team,
Punta,
Gorda,
voters,
Alliance
to
name
a
few
I
would
like
to
add
an
additional
consideration:
a
public-private
partnership.
This
option
may
open
ideas
that
are
financially
beneficial
to
this
city
and
its
citizens.
Thank
you
and
I
wish
you
all
a
very
merry
Christmas.
A
Hi
Jeff
lustig,
our
governor,
wants
to
Bar
indecent
and
obscene
speech
from
our
state
buildings,
especially
the
Capitol
building,
where
Young
School
groups
of
children
regularly
visit
I
can
understand
that
he
doesn't
want.
We
don't
want
to
have
our
third
graders,
see
aborted
Venus
fetuses
and
in
his
opinion
he
doesn't
want
us
them
to
see
gay
people
either,
but
our
City
attorney
was
ahead
of
the
curve
when
he
suggested
the
Punta
Gorda
signed
ordinance.
However,
to
advise
the
council
to
approve
that
ordinance
and
not
fully
explain
the
potential
Financial
risks
to
the
city.
A
His
negligence
I
on
many
occasions,
tried
to
speak
to
him
about
that
and
I
was
rebuffed.
I've
been
doing
this
for
about
two
years
now
we
are
a
small
town
and
don't
have
the
financial
resources
to
fight
for
this
new
legislation.
The
court
system
extracts
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
to
pursue
Justice
Punta
Gorda
has
learned
what
is
like
for
an
average
individual
fighting
for
their
rights
in
court.
A
O
Foreign
good
morning,
good
morning,
my
name
is
Dave
Kessler
and
I'm
here
to
discuss
item
8e,
how
much
time
and
taxpayer
money,
as
was
stated
by
the
last
gentleman,
has
your
city,
legal
counsel,
lost,
and
for
what?
How
much
taxpayer
Money's
been
wasted
on
trying
to
keep
everything
you
do?
Secret
government
was
created
to
protect
the
governed,
not
the
governing
how
much
money
has
been
wasted
to
fight
free
speech
and
peaceful
protests
essential
for
the
freedoms
we
have
in
this
country.
O
I
can
remember
when
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda,
with
the
help
of
their
attorney
David
Levin,
trespassed
their
first
two
victims.
Two
Gentlemen
were
trespassed
for
their
entire
lives
from
the
city
hall.
All
they
were
doing
was
quietly
and
respectfully
filming
what
public
servants
were
doing
on
the
taxpayers,
dime
and
and
doing
some
interviews
with
the
city
administrator,
who
stated
an
open
door
policy,
the
city
administrator
embarrassed
himself
and
the
city
and
those
Engineers
interviews,
not
the
current
one.
O
The
city
council
had
an
emergency
meeting
with
their
attorney
and
followed
his
recommendations
to
create
their
unconstitutional
trespass
ordinance
specifically
designed
to
trespass
these
two
gentlemen.
City
attorney
also
tried
to
get
these
two
reporters
on
the
federal
crime
of
wiretapping.
Our
state
attorney
replied
to
that
request
by
stating
that
filming
was
an
essential
and
constitutionally
protected
right.
Levin
still
dug
in
his
heels,
argued
back
and
said
that
he
disagreed,
which
could
have
easily
led
the
city
council
to
waste.
Yes,
yet
more
money
on
that
imaginary
Quest.
O
This
will
come
back
to
bite
you
guys
still,
then
Along
Came,
the
ridiculously
unconstitutional
offensive,
word
ordinance,
no
matter
what
the
evidence
and
law,
he
still
argues
that
he's
right,
even
when
everyone
else
that
knows
everything
about
American
values
and
or
law
has
proven
them
wrong.
How
much
money's
been
wasted?
O
Many
in
Punta
Gorda
don't
seem
to
understand
how
important
each
and
every
one
of
their
rights
and
the
rights
of
their
neighbors
are
or
how
much
of
their
money
is
being
wasted
and
flat
out
used
directly
against
the
people.
Please
reconsider
the
city
attorney's
contract,
whatever
the
cost,
you'll
save
money
and
embarrassment
in
the
long
run
and
Mr
kaharsky,
who
won't
back
down
on
this
activity
and
the
rest
of
you.
You
may
even
protect
yourself
from
involvement
in
criminal
activity,
as
some
of
us
still
believe.
Violations
of
the
Constitution
are
thank
you.
P
Good
morning
my
name
is
Susan
Hutt
I'm,
a
resident
of
Charlotte
County
I'm
here
today,
because
I've
been
following
what
I
refer
to
as
the
city
of
Punta
gorda's
Banning
of
freedom
of
speech,
ordinance
more
specifically,
it
should
have
probably
been
called
shut.
Andrew,
shoot's,
mouth
rule,
I
support
firing,
your
city,
your
City
attorney
your
Punta
Gorda
attorney
Mr
Levin
I
applaud
Mr
dryburg,
the
newest
member
of
the
board,
because
he
ran
for
his
seat
because
he
knows
the
United
States
history.
P
More
specifically,
he
knows
and
is
familiar
with
the
First
Amendment
of
the
of
our
constitution.
I
remember
when
the
board
enacted
the
no
freedom
of
speech
in
in
your
town
into
law
or
ordinance,
whatever
you
call
it
I
call
the
abolishment
of
the
I
call
it
the
abolishment
of
the
First
Amendment
to
our
constitution.
It
is
time
to
fire
your
sitting
attorney,
who
has
been
loyal
to
this
board
for
way
too
long.
He
has
done
your
bidding
to
create
the
rule
to
ban
freedom
of
speech.
P
He
is,
and
apparently
you
all
approved
of
it
except
Mr
dryburg
who
is
not
on
the
board.
He
has
represented
you
as
requ.
He
represented
you
as
you
required
and
wished,
rather
than
informing
you
of
the
law.
Now
that
Punta
Gorda
and
Punta
Gorda
Police
Department
have
done
all
they
can
to
enter
to
enforce.
I.
Don't
have
my
glasses
on
I've
got
contact
lenses
on
today
to
enforce
Banning
freedom
of
speech.
It
is
time
to
put
an
end
to
this
tyranny
and
fire
Mr
Levin.
Thank
you.
Q
My
name
is
Louis,
levarbra
and
I
know
you've
been
hearing
quite
a
bit
about
the
sign
ordinance
but
I'm
actually
here
to
talk
about
a
different
ordinance
section:
15-37
Banning
concealed
carry
within
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda.
According
to
your
ordinance,
it
says,
whoever
in
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda
Florida
shall
consider
carry
a
concealed
weapon
or
electric
weapon
or
device
or
on
or
about
his
person
shall
be
guilty
of
the
misdemeanor.
In
the
first
degree,
the
carrying
of
a
concealed
weapon
is
hereby
declared
a
breach
of
peace
according
to
Florida
statute.
Q
So
are
you
going
to
be
getting
rid
of
this
because
that's
another
lawsuit
on
top
of
the
lawsuit
you
already
have
for
free
speech
won
by
Andrew
sheets?
How
much
money
is
this
going
to
take
from
the
taxpayers
how
much
money
is
David
Levin,
gonna
waste
of
the
taxpayers?
I
applaud
you
Mr
dryburg,
for
wanting
to
hold
people
accountable.
So
I
am
very
happy
that
you
got.
Q
Okay,
but
I
applaud
you
anyways
how
much
we
need
to
know
how
much
money
has
been
wasted
of
the
taxpayers
that
needs
to
be
brought
up
to
the
light
to
the
public.
They
need
to
know
of
the
ignorance
of
your
attorney.
I.
Do
support
in
him
being
fired
immediately
because
I
feel
like
I'm
talking
to
dry
ears,
because
it's
not
your
money,
it's
not!
It's
not
going
to
come
out
of
your
pocket,
your
pocket
anybody's
pocket.
Besides
the
taxpayers,
you
need
to
fire
that
Tyrant.
Q
R
R
All
of
this
I
went
through
the
agenda
packages
for
today's
meeting
and
it's
so
very,
very
detailed
I'm
trying
to
put
together
a
spreadsheet
that
keeps
an
order
all
of
your
different
committees,
all
of
your
different
meetings,
your
minutes,
your
agenda
package,
your
videos,
so
I
can
check
off
to
see
what
I
have
and
what
I
don't
have,
because
I'm
74
and
I'm
it's
harder
for
me
to
follow.
You
I,
do
have
a
question
one
question
and
it
had
to
do
with
this
Fisherman's
Village
presentation.
S
Good
morning,
city
council,
everybody
in
the
chamber,
my
name
is
Tim
Ritchie
and
I'm.
A
resident
of
Punta
Gorda
in
Charlotte
County
first
thing
I
want
to
say,
is
I
want
to
thank
my
grandfather,
Lieutenant
Commander,
David,
Cleo
Richie
for
his
service.
He
was
at
Pearl
Harbor
Battle
of
Midway
Coral,
Sea
recipient
of
the
Navy
cross.
Numerous
Awards.
S
S
S
S
Here's
some
facts:
you
should
focus
on
commissioner
Doherty
2015,
1.8
billion
dollar
environmental,
fine,
not
million
billion
in
six
months
after
that
was
the
Mosaic
New
Wales
sinkhole,
215
gallons
burned
through
the
Limestone.
That's
a
pH
of
one
dumped
for
19
days
before
Mosaic
notified
the
public.
T
Dave
Calen
Charlotte
County
resident
I'd
like
to
congratulate
Mr
dryburg
on
his
recent
election
coming
for
you
for
a
couple
of
issues,
one
you
just
closed
your
Seawall
rebar
construction
contract
yesterday
for
your
bids.
This
Board
needs
to
take
a
serious
look
at
that
bid
and
how
it
can
save
the
taxpayers.
Nearly
40
percent
in
that
cost.
T
There's
a
new
product
on
the
market
that
you've
been
made
aware
of,
but
it
has
not
been
added
to
your
engineering
as
a
fiberglass
based
rebar
that
does
not
rust
it's
ten
times
stronger
than
steel
can
be
cut
to
length.
So
there
is
absolutely
zero
waste
at
the
job
site.
It
also
cuts
down
on
the
amount
of
workers
comp
injuries
due
to
the
lightweight
product.
T
For
whatever
reason,
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda
has
taken
a
stance
not
to
look
at
this
product
and
continue
with
a
chromium
steel
rebar
which,
to
the
taxpayers,
costs
again
40
more
than
this
other
product.
Your
sea
walls
will
last
substantially
longer
with
it
at
a
huge
cost
savings
not
only
to
the
taxpayer
but
to
the
environment.
Every
time
you
replace
a
sea
wall,
the
amount
of
impact
into
the
Peace
River
in
the
harbor
is
substantial.
T
T
It
has
been
shot
down
in
federal
court
and
one
of
the
founding
members
of
U.S
Freedom
Flyers.
We
have
fought
not
only
for
mask
and
vaccine
mandate,
freedoms
throughout
this
nation,
which
is
provided
in
our
U.S
Constitution,
but
this
board
sought
fit
to
violate
our
constitutional
rights
with
that
at
the
behest
of
Mr
Levin.
T
Secondly,
when
the
signed
ordinance
came
out,
well,
I
may
not
like
how
somebody
chooses
to
protest
and
I
don't
agree
what
they
have
to
protest
about.
They
have
the
right
to
protest
it
because
in
1776
had
our
founding
fathers
not
protested.
What
was
going
on
in
England?
We
would
not
have
the
great
nation
and
the
Constitution
that
we
have
I'd
like
this
board
to
seriously
consider
that
next
time
they
take
advice
from
Mr
Levin.
Thank
you
and
you
all
have
a
wonderful
day.
B
B
All
right,
we'll
start
with
the
other
agenda
items,
then,
okay,
we
are
now
in
session
as
community
redevelopment
agency.
The
first
item
on
this
agenda
is
citizen
comments
on
any
CRA
agenda
items.
Only
if
there's
anyone
in
the
audience
that
would
like
to
address
counsel.
Excuse
me
the
CRA
on
any
agenda
items
on
the
CRA
portion
of
the
meeting.
Please
come
forward,
okay,
seeing
none!
The
next
item
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes
from
the
November
2
2022
meeting
move.
W
B
B
U
Yes,
ma'am.
Thank
you
to
begin
we'll
discuss
the
Municipal
Marina
activity.
Obviously
all
of
this
has
been
impacted
in
the
last
couple
months,
but,
as
you
can
see,
our
annual
semi-annual
basically
the
whole
way
down
through
commercial,
we'll
have
stayed
consistent.
There
are
contractual
Moorings
that
stay
consistent
year
to
year.
When
we
get
down
to
the
Moorings
themselves
or
our
Mooring
balls,
you
can
see
that
November
21
we
had
many
more
than
we
have
today.
U
One
of
the
reasons
for
that
is
that
we
have
about
50
percent
of
our
Mooring
balls
that
are
out
of
service
and
the
others
that
need
expected
inspected
due
to
the
hurricane.
Many
of
those
chains
are
laying
at
the
bottom,
where
the
anchors
should
be
we'll
have
to
have
divers
that
go
in
and
do
GPS
locates
and
get
those
Mooring
balls
reinstalled
as
part
of
all
the
work
that
we're
aggregating
so
that
we
can
have
some
contractual
support
from
FEMA
for
the
cost
of
repair
for
all
of
the
marina
damage.
U
We
also
have
damage
in
the
marina
itself,
which
takes
some
of
the
slips
out
of
service.
We
have
cleats
and
electrical
ties
that
need
to
be
replaced
and
then,
of
course,
we
have
been
under
contract
for
quite
some
time
for
fabrication
of
additional
finger
Piers
so
that
we
could
have
those
installed
and
redesigned
so
that
every
time
we
have
wave
action,
they
don't
start
to
twist
and
deteriorate
again
because
they've
been
replaced
several
times.
So
we're
working
on
all
that,
but
it'll
be
sometime
before
that
happens,
our
liver
boards.
U
We
of
course,
are
down
to
zero.
Now
we
don't
have
any
liverboard
contracts,
all
of
those
have
transitioned
and,
of
course
the
community
room
is
unavailable
because
that's
currently
office
space
to
replace
the
damaged
areas
in
City
Hall
for
the
pump
out
vessel.
You
can
see
that
we
had
in
November
about
54
pump
apps.
Last
year
there
was
98
October,
obviously
much
less
really.
U
In
theory,
there
should
have
been
almost
nothing
in
October,
because
boats
really
are
supposed
to
be
out
of
the
marina
to
additional
Safe
Harbor
during
a
hurricane,
but
we
are
starting
to
get
them
back
and
we're
getting
additional
pump.
Apps
you
can
see,
we
still
did
1500
gallons
and
traveled
six
miles,
so
it
was
all
pretty
much
local
to
the
marina
last
year,
even
with
98
pump
outs,
we
did
1900
gallons.
So
we
had
a
lot
of
full
boats
out
there
that
we
were
able
to
Service
as
we
got
the
services
back
in
operation.
U
As
far
as
the
major
projects,
we
have
historic,
City,
Hall
rehab
and
expansion,
60
plans
that
are
being
reviewed
and
we'll
go
into
much
more
detail.
We
don't
have
anything
that
requires
decisions,
but
we
did
want
to
update
you
on
what
the
city
hall
looks
like
where
we
stand
on
it
and
what
information
is
currently
available
so
that'll
be
forthcoming.
U
We
also
have
then
Gilcrest
Park
the
harbor
walk
improvements.
You
can
see
as
you
go
down
the
Harper
walk
it's
coming
along
quite
nicely.
That's
about
90
percent,
complete
Landscaping,
the
crosswalks
with
sidewall
connections.
We
do
still
need
to
do
some
of
the
stamp
Paving
between
the
connections
that
you
see
on
Reddit
right
now,
the
tan
striping
so
we'll
get
that
stamped
concrete
or
asphalt.
There's
currently
discussion,
which
that
will
be
complete
so
that
we
can
finish
the
project.
Construction
continues
with
the
diagonal
parking,
the
brick
pavers.
U
You
can
see
that
most
of
those
are
complete.
They
still
have
some
barrels
sitting
there,
while
everything
is
set
in
place,
but
that
will
be
removed
in
the
near
future
and
we'll
move
forward
on
that.
The
stormwater
Pond
even
that
borders
the
harbor,
walk
itself
near
the
basketball
court.
There
was
special
grass
that
was
to
be
planted
there
and
there
were
hundreds
of
little
black
containers
that
had
those
grasses
in
and
a
couple
guys,
putting
all
those
sprigs
down
into
the
the
muck
that
are
designed
specifically
to
thrive
in
stormwater
Pond
conditions.
U
There
were
people
standing
there,
just
watching
them
and
complimenting
them
and
what
a
great
job
they
were
doing,
putting
all
these
little
pots
or
potted
grass
breaks
down
into
the
the
soils
so
they're
working
hard.
They
continue
to
work
pretty
much
still
dark
when
they
can't
see,
and
we
anticipate
that
that'll
be
finished
in
the
near
future.
U
Ac
Freeman
house-
this
is
another
discussion
point
that
we
keep
bringing
up.
We
do
have,
of
course,
that
secured
for
many
hurricane
damage,
we're
looking
again
at
the
90
plans
and
anything
additional
that
may
be
needed
based
on
what
the
hurricane
did.
But
the
next
step
for
this
in
the
very
near
future
is
that
it's
going
to
be
coming
back
to
council.
So
we
can
talk
about
the
initial
intended
use.
U
The
way
it
was
designed
determine
if
that's
the
use
that
you
want
to
see
happen,
and
given
that
then
we
will
be
able
to
discuss
what
is
needed
for
the
facility
again,
for
example,
there's
a
restroom
upstairs,
there's
none
downstairs.
So
if
we're
going
to
have
an
expanded
use
or
a
use
of
the
public
can
access,
there
has
to
be
a
restroom
downstairs.
U
If
it
were
going
to
be
just
a
pretty
picture,
then
of
course
that's
not
required,
but
we'll
need
to
discuss
the
intended
use,
what
it
takes
to
get
to
that
use
the
cost
of
that
and
then,
where
the
funding
comes
from
and
of
course
there
are
some
some
different
agencies
out.
There
were
groups
that
have
been
meeting
to
determine
if
they
can
come
up
with
any
fundraising
ideas,
but
of
course
that
would
come
with
I'm
sure
certain
use
conditions
also.
U
U
Of
course
we
do
have
all
the
equipment
we
have
that
so
that
the
price
didn't
escalate
and
it's
ready
to
be
installed,
but
there's
a
lot
of
electrical
mechanical
work
that
needs
to
be
completed
on
that
whole
site
before
we
can
get
the
equipment
up
so
film
at
11.
On
that
one
kind
of
and
we'll
let
you
know
how
that
progresses.
So
that's
the
major
projects-
and
you
know,
there's
a
lot
going
on
in
the
city
right
now.
U
Staff
continues
to
to
move
all
the
different
facets
forward
to
remedy
hurricane
Ian
destruction
and
to
continue
to
improve
the
city's
condition
each
week
as
we
move
forward
there
we're
coming
down
to
the
end
of
some
of
the
debris,
removal
and
a
lot
of
that's
in
the
CRA.
So
things
are
starting
to
look
much
better.
X
U
The
Mooring
balls,
I,
don't
have
the
exact
number
I'll
have
to
look
it
up,
but
we
have
a
whole
map
that
shows
what's
out
of
commission
now
we
went
through
that
with
our
insurance
companies
and
we're
looking
at
mitigation
dollars
to
get
that
fixed
about
50
percent
of
our
Mooring
balls
and
I'm,
not
sure
what
that
number
is
right
off
the
top
of
my
head
and
there's.
You
know
there
were
three
slips
prior
to
this
and
there's
probably
upwards
of
10
right
now
that
are
out
of
commission.
B
I
asked
that,
because,
having
looked
at
the
contract
that
the
marina
management
has
with
the
city,
they
are
required
to
vacate
all
boats
out
of
the
marina
in
advance
of
a
storm.
It's
my
understanding.
They
did
not
do
that.
What
recourse
do
we
have
and
why
should
our
insurance
pay
for
it
if
they
were
negligent
in
their
duties.
B
B
Did-
and
we
all
got
an
email
last
night
from
someone
who
was
complaining
about
the
condition
of
the
marina,
so
my
concern
is
very
very
serious.
I
think
we
have.
We
have
a
contract
firm
that
is
running
that
Marina
on
our
behalf
and
I.
Don't
think
that
they
did
their
due
diligence
in
advance
of
the
storm.
I
would
like
to
see
what
we
can
do
about
that
and.
U
Y
U
There's
for
what
they
may
reimburse
us
for
yes,
but
there's
a
lot
that
the
insurance
won't
cover
on
the
Marine
end
of
that
in
the
first
place.
So
that's
the
problem
with
them,
which
is
why
we're
working
to
see
if
we
can
get
any
FEMA
mitigation
dollars
for
the
repair
of
that
old
thing
and
put
it
under
a
federal
contract.
But
yes,.
B
V
B
Z
This
is
the
first
reading
of
a
legislative
ordinance
which
I'll
read
by
title:
only
in
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda,
Florida,
amending
chapter,
seven
building
regulations
of
the
Punta
Gorda
code,
providing
findings
amending
chapter
7,
Article
5,
chapter
1,
section
103
duties
and
powers
of
the
floodplain
administrator
subsection
103.4
underwater
code
relating
to
substantial
Improvement
determinations
amending
chapter
7,
Article
5,
chapter
2,
Section,
202,
definitions
relating
to
the
definition
for
substantial
Improvement,
providing
for
conflict
and
severability
and
providing
an
effective
date.
This
ordinance
was
originally
adopted
by
emergency
ordinance
procedures.
Z
U
And
if
I
could
just
comment,
we
don't
have
a
specific
presentation
today
to
go
over
the
whole
thing
again
because
we've
done
it
so
recently.
So
if
you
do
have
any
questions
and
of
course,
there's
public
comment
to
allow
that
to
go
through
the
process,
as
the
attorney
stated,
that's
what
we
had
planned
for
today.
B
Z
They
did
not
do
work
that
constituted
substantial
Improvement
and,
by
definition,
a
substantial
Improvement
is
something
where
the
costs
of
construction
equals
or
exceeds
50
percent
of
the
market
value
of
the
structure
prior
to
the
work.
So,
hypothetically
speaking,
it
is
entirely
possible
for
someone
over
a
series
of
the
number
of
years
and,
depending
upon
the
value
of
the
house,
to
totally
replace
a
non-conforming
structure
using
the
process
that
would
be
adopted
by
this
ordinance,
and
that
is
not
to
accumulate
the
cost
for
each
improvement
over
an
extended
period
of
time,
five
years
or
less.
B
A
Hi
Jeff
lustig,
my
only
question
is:
has
the
attorney
is
a
standard
procedure
now
that
all
towns
are
doing
this,
that
it's
not
something
that
we're
taking
on
on
our
own,
because
from
what
you've
just
said
that
you
can
go
and
do
49
one
year
and
then
the
next
year
you
can
do
40
and
40
percent
that
doesn't
seem
like
they're
going
to
change
the
rules
on
that.
That's
really
you
know,
I
I
doesn't
seem
like
the
intent
of
the
law.
Is
to
be
that,
and
will
they
probably
change
that
so
I'm
just
worried?
Z
If
they
feel
like
that,
they
would
like
to
include
that
in
their
ordinances,
a
number
of
jurisdictions
throughout
the
State
of
Florida
do
have
that
type
of
accumulation
provision
in
their
code.
A
number
of
them
don't
and
and-
and
there
are
a
number
of
communities
that
had
had
that
accumulation
that
have
amended
their
ordinances
to
do
away
with
it,
because
it
does
create
a
hardship
and
it's
a
balancing
of
interests
by
allow
by
doing
away
with
accumulation.
Z
You
allow
a
non-conforming
structure
to
remain
longer
than
might
be
necessary
to
protect
the
public
health
safety
and
Welfare
from
a
major
storm.
On
the
other
hand,
as
we've
just
noticed
in
our
community
and
elsewhere,
the
amount
of
Devastation
that's
caused
to
a
home
and
the
requirement,
if
it's
50
or
greater
in
order
to
repair
that
home
from
the
damage
would
require
a
house
that
was
built
either
at
grade
or
at
an
elevation.
Z
That's
less
than
what
the
current
elevation
requirement
would
be
to
tear
down
that
house
entirely
and
rebuild,
and
that
creates
a
tremendous
hardship
to
Citizens,
and
so
it's
up
to
the
local
governments
to
decide.
What
is
what
is
the
in
the
best
interest
of
the
public?
Do
we
do
we
take
away
that
cumulative
requirement?
That
is
not
a
requirement
of
FEMA,
but
one
that
we
have
adopted
and
allow
people
to
rebuild,
or
do
we
to
that
up
to
the
50
standard,
or
do
we
require
total
replacement
of
all
those
homes?
Z
Z
Well,
I'm
I
can't
I'm,
not
an
expert
in
that
type
of
valuation.
So
I
can't
answer
that
question.
Okay,
but
but
again
it
would
not
cause
us
to
lose,
and
the
building
official
at
the
last
emergency
ordinance
presentation
indicated
that
we
would
not
lose
any
points
from
the
community
rating
system
so
that
we
would
still
be
able
to
maintain
the
discount
to
our
citizens
for
flood
insurance.
Even
with
this
being
taken
out
of
the
code
and.
A
B
To
answer
your
question:
if
I
may,
several
other
local
municipalities
have
already
done
the
same
thing,
including
Charlotte,
County
and
Northport,
and
several
communities
in
Lee,
County
and
Collier
County.
So
we
are
not
doing
anything
out
of
the
ordinary
or
illegal
or
anything
of
this
of
that
sort.
We
have
already
vetted
this
whole
thing
so
that
we
we
are
in
sync
with
what
a
lot
of
other
municipalities
have
already
implemented
great.
S
Let's
say
the
windows
were
sixty
thousand
dollars
and
that
came
up
that
drops
and
then
you
still
have
the
garage
door.
Let's
say
was
like
fourteen
thousand,
so
you're
right
under
the
75
grand
am
I
understanding
that
rule
correctly
that
at
12
months,
once
you
go
12
months,
something
falls
off
and
then
you
get
that
increment
again,
you
get
that
amount
of
money
back
so
I'm
wondering
if
that
is
the
case.
S
Z
Z
Anybody
can
make
an
improvement
to
their
non-conforming
structure
unless
it
is
a
substantial
Improvement.
If
it's
a
substantial
Improvement,
they
have
to
bring
the
non-conforming
structure
up
to
current
code.
There's
ways
that
that
can
be
done
and
I've
I've
advised
clients
in
a
number
of
different
ways
in
one
way,
for
example,
and
and
this
is
done
not
not
commonly,
but
it
is
done
frequently
enough
that
it's
not
an
aberration
to
actually
jack
up
the
house,
one
to
how
many
feet
is
necessary
to
get
it
above.
Z
The
baseboard
elevation
that
way
you
meet
the
flood.
You
now
become
conforming
and
you're,
not
limited
by
any
any
of
the
50
rule,
but
in
in
our
historically
what
happened
after
FEMA
first
went
into
effect
and
the
50
rule
was
applied.
For
example,
if
you
needed
a
new
roof
and
the
cost
of
the
roof
would
put
you
over
the
50
percent
of
the
market
value
of
the
house
before
the
Improvement
contractors
would
do
half
of
a
roof
and
get
that
permit
done.
Z
Do
half
of
a
roof
close
out
that
permit
and
do
the
other
half
of
the
roof,
to
keep
the
entire
cost
below
and
and
in
order
to
address
that
kind
of
strategy.
Some
jurisdictions
and
I
won't
say:
I
won't,
say
the
majority
of
them,
but
a
number
of
them
included
Provisions,
like
the
city
like
city
of
Punta
Gorda
has,
and
that
is
that
we're
going
to
ask
you
to
accumulate
the
costs
over
a
five-year
period
and
next
year
you
know
in
year
six
the
the
first
of
the
first
year,
those
costs
drop
off.
Z
Z
That's
that
kind
of
defeats
the
whole
purpose,
and
so
now
what,
since
that
50
the
the
roof
strategy
became
pretty
common,
most
building
officials,
even
without
the
five
or
less
year
accumulation
require
that
you
have
a
project,
a
permit
for
a
project,
let's
say
the
roof
and,
and
you
have
to
we
can't
build
half
a
roof.
You
have
to
build
a
whole
roof
and
it's
under
a
permit
once
that
permit
is
closed
out.
Z
You
can
then
begin
another
permitted
project,
and
and
as
long
as
it's
not
exceeding
the
50
rule,
you
can
do
that
project
without
bringing
the
structure
up
to
up
to
current
codes,
and
so
you
can
do
that
and
as
long
as
you
have
a
permit,
when
the
permit
is
closed
out,
you
can
then
begin
the
next
project
without
having
to
add
up
all
of
those
costs.
To
that
would
then
require
you
to
bring
the
structure
up
to
standards.
B
AA
B
Z
This
is
a
resolution
with
no
public
hearing
required
and
I'll
read
by
title.
Only
a
resolution
amending
and
restating
resolution
number
3642-2022
relating
to
an
application
for
a
loan
from
the
state
revolving
trust
fund
for
Wastewater
facilities,
establishing
pledged
revenues
to
repay,
said
loan
to
increase
the
amount
of
the
construction
loan
from
the
Florida
Department
of
Revenue
revolving
fund
for
Wastewater
facilities,
providing
for
conflict
and
severability
and
providing
an
effective
date.
AB
U
B
AB
U
AC
For
the
record
Steve
Leonard
I'm,
your
Regulatory
Compliance
manager,
I'm
running
this
project.
We
didn't
have
a
seamar
on
board
when
we
had
the
56
number
they
weren't
able
to
bid
the
project.
We
have
no
I,
don't
want
to
say,
bid
the
project,
but
we've
asked
for
budgetary
numbers
for
all
the
individual
line
items
and
we've
asked
the
Seymour
Wharton
Smith
for
a
conservative
number.
We
said
we
do
not
want
to
go
back
to
council
again.
What
do
you
think
is
the
most
we
would
have
to
borrow
to
complete
this
project.
AC
We
are
hoping
to
bring
this
project
down.
What
brought
it
up
from
56
to
60
is
a
lot
of
unanticipated
subsurface
work
we
need
to
do.
The
ground
is
not
stable
enough
to
support
the
tanks
we
have
re-looked
at
that.
We
are
just
now
getting
the
re-look
findings
back
and
we
hope
to
bring
you
a
reduced
number
when
we
actually
apply
for
the
loan.
Y
U
Regulatory
trigger
that
says:
here's
what
you
have
to
do
to
upgrade
your
facility
because
of
your
proposed
service
area,
the
service
that
you're
going
to
have
to
provide
in
the
future
and
where
your
treatment
plan
sits
currently
so
we're
there,
which
means
we
have
to
have
plans
submitted
on
a
progressive
basis
to
upgrade
the
facility
or
reduce
flows
of
Italian
eye.
You
can
always
reduce
flow
or
upgrade
capacity.
B
Y
Y
AB
AB
The
things
that
are
out
there
that
might
cause
changes
would
be
our
Capital
Improvements
plans
that
might
change
over
those
five
years
right.
We
would
either
need
to
borrow
additional
funds
for
for
additional
projects
if
we
can't
support
it
with
this
particular
project.
So
the
current
State
revolving
Loan
Fund
is
a
20-year
loan
amortized
over
that
period
of
time.
AB
We
are
looking
at
an
additional
program
that
would
possibly
extend
to
a
30-year
that
we
might
do
like
some
in
the
one
program
and
some
in
the
state
revolving
Loan
program,
because
the
30-year
program
does
not
allow
you
to
do
the
full
amount.
It
only
allows
you
to
do
I
think
80
at
the
most,
so
we
are
still
exploring
that
option
with
our
contractor
our
Consultants
to
try
and
figure
out,
if
that
might
be
a
possibility
for
us.
Y
AB
Oh
yes,
and
the
state
revolving
Loan
Fund,
it's
they
can
fluctuate.
I
think
it
was
approximately
a
little
over
one
percent
when
we
brought
it
to
you
in
May,
I'm,
not
really
sure
where
they
stand
now,
but
they
don't
fix
those
rates
until
we
actually
do
our
final
after
our
application
and
then
give
us
a
final
loan
agreement
substantially.
B
W
B
Aye
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Okay
next
is
our
consent
agenda.
This
includes
approval
of
the
minutes
from
November
16.,
the
icard
mayoral
invoice,
the
resolution
for
people's
gas
system,
implementation
of
the
unmanned
aircraft,
System
Program,
the
resolution
for
the
grant
agreement
for
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
and
state
of
Florida
Division
of
Emergency,
Management,
Advanced,
proof
of
loss
and
first
amendment
of
water
and
wastewater
system
developers
agreement
as
well
as
the
resolution
for
the
communication,
Services
tax
agreement
for
access
to
state
tax
information.
F
B
AD
J
AD
Believe
so-
and
this
is
not
till
January
7th
they're
working
with
the
police,
saying
David
Myers
for
their
maintenance
of
traffic
and
it's
going
through
Lashley
going
on
the
Northbound
Bridge
they'll
close
one
lane
turn
back
around
going
through
Gilcrest
and
down
red
and
back
it's
the
same
route.
They
had
last
year
right
now,
I,
don't
see
any
issues,
I
believe
the
event
organizers
already
perused
the
route
to
make
sure
it's
safe
and
correct,
I
think
where
they
submitted
their
application.
AA
B
B
U
That
was
asked
to
be
put
on
the
agenda.
We
provided
some
additional
information
in
there.
We
don't
have
all
the
numbers
yet
for
Recovery.
We
do
know
that
we
have
almost
a
million
dollars
in
insurance
that
is
provided
under
one
of
the
other
items
that
you've
seen
for
our
upfront
payments
with
that
we're
also
looking
at.
Is
there
any
mitigation
money
from
FEMA
that
would
help
provide
additional
funds
for
actual
cost
to
rebuild
a
facility?
U
If,
indeed,
that's
the
chosen
option
of
what
we'll
have
to
do
to
move
forward
with
this
is
determine
if
a
facility
is
going
to
be
rebuilt.
What
type
of
facility-
and
if
it's
an
enclosed
facility
like
we
current
have
currently
have,
is
that
the
place
it
will
be
rebuilt
or
do
we
want
to
rebuild
it
somewhere
else
and
do
something
else
with
that
corner?
So
there's
all
those
decision
points
that
have
to
be
made
before
we
can
move
forward.
U
We
just
don't
know
exactly
what
monies
we
have
yet
to
do
that
other
than
our
insurance
recovery
and,
of
course,
then
what
that
would
mean
when
you
even
look
at
a
50
rule
what
that
means
for
a
building
that
is
reconstructed,
if,
indeed,
that's
the
option,
what
kind
of
cost
it
would
take
to
do
that
and
what
kind
of
design
would
help
mitigate
those
costs.
So
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
on
it.
You
know
right
now.
U
B
Y
Y
We
need
to
do
something
with
that
building
sooner
rather
than
later.
In
other
words,
we
don't
want
that
ISO
to
sit
there
forever.
While
we
make
a
decision,
so
I
think
likely
that
we're
going
to
have
to
tear
it
down
so
I
think
we
need
to
tear
it
down
and
and
whatever
funds
we
need
to
authorize
to
do
that.
I
think
that
would
be
the
the
appropriate
first
step
and
and
if
we
can
save
pieces
of
it,
I
am
an
eagle
scout
myself.
So
I
get
what
you're
saying
yeah
we
should
save.
Y
B
We've
had
a
number
of
discussions
about
the
bay
front
center
and
the
boat
club
building
during
the
citizens
master
plan
project
that
went
forward
a
few
years
ago,
and
there
was
overwhelming
support
to
keep
the
bay
front
Center,
building
where
it
is
overwhelming
support
to
keep
it
a
public
use,
building
overwhelming
support
for
the
city
to
upgrade
it
so
that
we,
it
would
kind
of.
Look
in
sync,
with
the
boat
club
side
by
side.
B
People
I
firmly
believe
that
we
need
to
move
forward
with
building
another
building
on
that
site,
no
disrespect
to
Fisherman's
Village
I'm,
not
in
favor
of
a
public-private
partnership.
After
the
discussions
that
ensued
a
few
years
ago
about
a
potential
restaurant
being
built
in
the
park,
people
went
absolutely
crazy.
This
is
a
city
park.
It
needs
to
be
maintained
as
a
city
park
with
no
private
Partnerships.
In
my
opinion,
I
think
we
need
to
have
it
available
for
City
public
use
for
all
the
different
organizations
that
have
used
that
building
over
the
years.
B
B
The
pictures
that
were
drawn
up
during
the
citizens
master
plan
charettes
included
the
boat
club,
because
at
that
time
it
was
questionable
whether
we
were
going
to
leave
the
boat
club
there
or
renew
their
lease.
We
have
since
renewed
their
lease,
so
we
cannot
evict
them
at
this
point.
We
cannot
eliminate
them
at
this
point,
and
so
we
have
the
boat
club
there
on
a
long-term
lease
and
we've
made
a
lot
of
commitments
to
them.
B
So
we're
trying
to
make
sure
we
get
all
of
the
stuff
that
they
want
they
would
like
and
and
to
Wendy's
Point
earlier.
You
know
we'll
try
to
do
what
we
can
to
maintain
some
of
the
history
of
what
was
there,
but
I
do
think.
We
really
need
to
move
forward
with
a
building
similar
to
what
we
had,
but
much
more
new
and
user-friendly
building
that
can
be
used
for
multiple
uses
and
Bill.
You
had
your
hand
up,
I'm.
AA
Sorry,
okay,
I'd,
like
to
I'd
like
to
comment.
You
know
obviously
I
represented
district,
one
I
was
involved
with
the
charettes
and
some
of
the
other
you
know
plans.
Obviously
we
need
to
provide
an
amenity
for
the
groups
that
have
used
the
building
in
the
past
I'm
sort
of
with
Greg
that
maybe
it
doesn't
need
to
be
there,
but
that's
an
option.
I
also
think
we
want
to
think
about
what
the
transformation
to
the
park
looks
like
now,
I
mean
we
have
really
good
looking
parking.
AA
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
park
on
the
west
end,
so
I
think.
If
we
think
about
a
facility,
we
have
to
somehow
get
some
green
space
with
it.
You
know
going
forward
and
I
guess.
My
third
observation
would
be
I,
don't
think
the
other
plans
had
as
much
participation
from
the
residents
that
are
in
the
area.
You
know,
we've
had
a
number
of
issues
over
the
years
and
I
would
just
like
to
make
sure
that
their
interests
are
included
in
whatever
planning
goes
forward,
so
I
think
rather
than
say.
AA
X
Concur
with
you,
mayor
I
think
we
need
to
put
something
there.
It's
a
great
location.
Obviously
my
group
came
up
with
something
that
I
hadn't
heard
of
before
I
guess
with
the
boaters
when
we
agreed
to
that
contract,
they
they
have
made
in
their
comments
that
if
we
ever
built
another
building,
a
bigger
building
they'd
be
interested
in
coming
into
that
building
with
us.
X
If
that's
indeed
the
case,
then
we
can
build
a
structure
that
both
entities
can
use,
that
we
could
take
that
other
building
down,
make
it
like
a
marriage
point
and
then
come
have
a
reception
right
there.
Next
to
it,
I
mean
there's
all
kinds
of
possibilities
for
that
that
property
down
there.
It
could
be
something
special
for
the
city.
J
J
J
So
at
least,
then
we
have
the
time
to
have
a
further
discussion
on
what
would
be
a
good
replacement,
but
at
least
we
don't
have
that
standing
there
as
a
safety
issue
and
a
you
know,
just
you
know
not
looking
a
proper
issue,
so
I
think
in
the
interim.
Yes,
I
would
love
public
comments.
I
would
love
people
to
get
together
and
form
committees
and
start
talking
about
it.
Y
S
Y
Mentioned
is
that
I,
don't
think
we'd
automatically
assume
that
the
boat
club
needs
to
remain
and
stand
I
think
we
looked
at
the
whole
property
and
the
boat
club
could
probably
stand
and
remain
while
whatever
is
being
built
is
built
and
then
they
move
in
there.
You
raise
that
and
you're
right.
It
could
be.
It
could
be
a
lot
of
things,
so
I
I'd
look
at
the
whole
property,
but
getting
rid
of
what's.
F
B
AA
B
AA
I
totally
agree,
and
obviously
we've
named
a
number
of
constituents
who
would
have
an
interest
in
it,
so
I
think
they
should
be
included,
but
again
I'm
just
going
to
be
a
broken
record
on
I
need
a
residence
represented
as
part
of
that
and
I
also
think
to
look
at
it
as
yes,
we
need
a
facility,
but
we
need
some
green
space
again.
I
mean
the
parking.
Lots,
are
beautiful,
Greg,
I
I,
really
in
the
diagonal
parking,
but
we
need
a
little
more
green.
AE
AE
AF
So
the
60
phase
is
effectively
the
phase
at
which
the
project
which
you
chose
at
the
30
phases
kind
of
cross-examined
and
it's
buffeted
by
all
the
engineers
input
and
it's
buffeted
by
code
analysis,
and
so
we
really
drill
down
deeply
into
every
single
aspect
of
the
project.
So
the
structural
engineers,
the
mechanical
electrical
plumbing
and
Fire
Protection
Engineers
they've
all
been
deeply
involved
in
the
60
process.
So
we've
actually
you're
going
to
see
a
summary
on
the
PowerPoint,
but
this
is
a
120
sheet
document
set.
AF
That
is
just
starting
and
that's
the
foundation
for
the
following
phases.
So
this
is
where
every
consultant
we
work
within
one
virtual
model,
so
we
have
a
model
of
the
building
in
three
dimensions
and
a
structural
engineer
and
those
systems
Engineers
are
all
working
within
that
so
that
we
have
a
cohesive
plan
and
we're
looking
forward
to
working
with
the
construction
manager
at
risk
that
you're
pointing
so
that
we
can
also
bring
the
cost
analysis
of
the
project
together
with
our
design.
AF
And
then
we
have
an
overreaching,
overarching
I
should
say
parameter,
which
is
from
the
US
Department
of
the
Interior
standards
and
guidelines
for
preserving,
rehabilitating,
restoring
and
reconstructing
historic
buildings,
which
is
necessary
to
this
project.
Because
of
the
fact
that
historic,
City
Halls
are
contributing
structure
to
the
historic
district
that
you
have
on
Marion
Avenue
and
that
advice
and
rule
that
we
have
to
follow
is
generally
a
new
addition
should
be
subordinate
to
the
historic
building.
AF
A
new
addition
should
be
compatible
but
differentiated
enough,
so
that
it
is
not
confused
as
historic
or
original
to
the
building,
and
we
had
that.
Quick
summary
of
the
main
features
that
the
project
needed
to
portray
preserve
the
historic
character
have
a
cohesive
Civic
campus
plan
improve
the
council
chambers
from
the
current
state.
A
dedicated
space
for
Council
Members
create
a
welcome
Plaza
entry
to
Marion
Avenue
have
a
secure
facility
and
to
rethink
the
office
space
allocation
that
staff
inhabit
within
City
Hall
and
the
option
that
was
selected.
AF
The
finance
department,
being
the
magenta
there
and
the
city,
clerks
offices
and
record
storage,
had
moved
to
the
second
floor.
So
I
should
correct
that
the
the
officers
had
stayed
at
the
first
floor
of
the
historic
building,
but
the
records
archive
storage
had
all
gone
to
the
second
floor,
so
they
were
well
above
flood.
AF
We
took
the
third
floor
and
we've
explored
keeping
it
either
a
stucco
like
the
remainder
of
the
project
or
actually
using
a
metal
cladding
material.
That
is
very
will
be
the
same
finish
and
same
color
as
all
of
the
roofs
in
the
historic
district
that
you
have
adjacent.
So
you
will
actually
get
the
sky
reflection
in
that
metal
and
that
darker
color
actually
works
better
against
the
sky.
AF
So
you'll
read
this
as
more
of
a
two-story
structure
in
the
foreground,
rather
than
a
three-story
structure,
but
it
could
go
either
way
and
those
are
the
views,
as
that's
changed.
So
the
view
on
the
left
there
keeps
the
stucco
at
the
third
floor
and
the
view
to
the
right
uses
the
same
Metal
finish
as
you
have
on
those
roofs
and
that
continues
down
the
back
there
to
help
differentiate.
The
council
chamber
space,
which
is
the
most
important
element
of
the
new
building
against
the
office
space
adjacent.
AF
So
this
is
the
60
plan
as
it's
developed.
It
stays
very
much
the
same
as
you
saw
before.
The
green
is
the
city,
clerk's
offices,
that's
at
its
current
elevation,
the
Remain.
The
new
expansion
itself
is
at
base
flood
elevation
plus
one,
so
it
meets
all
current
codes.
You
don't
have
the
50
issue
with
this,
and
this
is
all
counted
as
one
building.
AF
So
the
couple
of
things
that
I
can
point
out
is
this
staircase
here
you
are
not
seeing
the
curse
of
some
reason,
so
the
city
clerks
Department,
which
is
the
green
to
the
left
of
that
there's
a
staircase
there
on
the
west
side
of
the
historic
building
at
the
moment.
That's
a
wood
stair
that
you
have
there
and
which
doesn't
meet
code
which
we're
hoping
for
economy.
AF
We
could
grandfather
in,
but
the
building
official
says
no,
so
that
will
have
to
be
a
new
stair
that
replaces
it,
which
will
also
have
to
be
larger,
to
meet
current
coat.
So
there's
a
new
stair
shaft,
that's
created
there,
along
with
a
fire
rating
around
it.
The
we
also
had
to
add
an
additional
staircase
which
is
slightly
Northeast
of
it
there.
AF
It's
the
staircase,
that's
opposite
the
south
side
of
City
Annex,
and
that
was
because
there's
kind
of
a
code
interpretation
as
to
whether
you
allow
single
staircase
or
two
staircase
egress
from
a
three-story
building
and
Kathy
was
very
much
of
the
opinion.
We
should
go
with
two
staircases,
so
we
have
that
additional
staircase
there,
it's
the
staircase
to
the
north.
AF
The
council
chamber
is
exactly
the
same
as
you
saw
it
before.
Apart
from
the
fact
that
we
worked
on
the
Ada
access
to
the
Deus
and
we
decided
to
be
more
prudent.
Originally
there
was
a
curved
ramp
down
the
west
side
of
the
Deus
and
we
made
that
straight
shot
because
it's
we
didn't
want
to
end
up
with
an
ADA
lawsuit
and
the
curve
is
always
a
little
a
little
tricky.
So
we
were
prudent
and
went
with
a
straight
ramp
which
just
created
that
triangular
form.
AF
So,
in
the
last
presentation,
we've
talked
about
moving
the
Transformer
for
the
new
facility
to
the
east
side
of
the
parking
lot.
That's
on
the
east
side
of
the
current
Council
chamber
and
we'll
also
have
to
move
the
City
Annex
Transformer
there.
Also
because
there
isn't
room
at
the
back
depending
on
which
systems
you
choose
after
the
construction
manager's
pricing,
how
much
of
an
emergency
generator
you
want.
If
you
want
it
to
cover
the
whole
building
for
48
hours.
AF
It's
obviously
going
to
be
much
larger
than
if
it
only
handles
certain
critical
functions
will
depend
on
how
much
equipment
we
have
on
the
north
side
of
this
building.
We
have
planned
in
our
drawings
for
the
optimum
solution
and
part
of
the
work
with
the
construction
manager
is
going
to
be.
This
is
the
optimum
solution.
AF
It's
not
a
huge
cost,
because
the
ceiling
through
there
is
already
new
from
the
time
of
reconstruction
after
Hurricane
Charlie.
We
don't.
Maybe
they
reconstructed
some
of
those
partitions
at
the
time
we
don't.
We
don't
know,
that's
something
we'll
find
out
with
a
construction
manager
when
we
can
remove
some
of
the
drywall,
but
we've
taken
the
opportunity
to
actually
replan
that
second
floor.
AF
So
if
we
have
to
remove
all
those
old
partitions,
it
doesn't
seem
terribly
productive
to
lay
it
out
exactly
the
same
way,
if
there's
a
more
efficient
manner
in
which
to
do
it
to
house
the
staff
that
are
within
that.
So
that
is
the
revised
plan
that
you
see
here
with
a
closed
office
at
the
left
for
the
finance
director.
AF
There's
an
open
office
area
for
the
staff,
there's
two
staff
areas
to
the
north
of
that
storage,
which
could
be
closed
offices
too,
if
desired
and
there's
two
hoteling
stations
to
the
to
the
right
to
the
east
there.
So
at
the
moment
my
understanding
is,
the
finance
department
has
a
staff
of
nine.
This
provides
room
for
10,
plus
two
hoteling
stations
and
the
bathrooms
are
reworked
so
that
you
have
complete
ADA
compliance
in
all
areas
of
the
building,
including
the
historic.
AF
The
stair
as
before
you
may
recall,
the
historic
stair
is
is
condemned.
So
it's
not
a
usable
stair
there's
the
land.
What
is
currently
the
landing
effectively
becomes
a
balcony
and
that's
actually
a
glazed
conference
room
and
at
the
lower
level
the
access
is
also
stopped,
with
a
glass
gate
at
the
foot
of
the
step.
AF
AF
One
thing
we
did
do
with
Kathy
is
we
did
a
these.
Were
the
drawings
that
we
presented
to
her.
These
are
actually
an
Abridged
version,
so
she
saw
in
detail
what
we're
proposing
what
the
code
occupancy
counts
are,
and
we
had
a
big
discussion
about
the
distance
between
the
new
building
and
City
Annex,
because
City
annexes
are
given.
We
can't
change
it.
AF
It's
not
sprinklered
today,
and
so
there
are
minimum
distances
by
code
that
you
have
to
keep
from
it
and
I
think
the
investment
in
City
Annex
that
would
be
required
to
have
the
new
expansion
built
closer
to
it
probably
wouldn't
be
worth
it.
It
would
both
be
expensive
and
disruptive,
so
we've
kept
our
building
the
minimum
distance
from
that
which
did
slightly
decrease
the
area
available
to
the
mayor's
office
and
the
council
members
conference
room
work
area.
AF
The
office
that's
shown
there
if
I
turn
back
to
the
first
floor
plan
is
10
foot
by
12
foot,
so
that's
satisfactory,
but
it's
not
generous
and
the
council
members
area
has
that
slight
L
shape,
so
that
could
quite
easily
be
divided
into
a
kind
of
conference
area
with
an
adjacent
work
area,
and
we
still
have
the
first
floor
where
the
city
clerk
is
today
in
the
old
fire
department
building
brought
up
to
flood
and
that's
that
kind
of
multi-purpose
function.
Room
available
for
Community
functions,
Gatherings
staff,
Gatherings
break
areas
so
forth.
AF
AF
We
have
that
reorganization
of
the
second
floor,
the
historic
building
you
can
now
walk
through
from
the
annex
to
anywhere
in
the
project,
so
you
don't
have
to
go
up
to
then
go
down
or
anything
like
that
everything
you
can
go
through
at
each
floor,
some
minimum
distance
calculations
that
we
had
to
show-
and
this
is
just
kind
of
an
example-
drawing
of
the
documents
that
we're
providing.
So
these
are
the
basis
of
our
construction
documents.
AF
So
we've
got
into
a
lot
of
detail,
but
that's
what
you
have
to
do
to
enable
the
engineers
to
do
their
work
and
to
make
sure
everything's
coordinated
the
drawing
in
the
bottom
right.
There
shows
the
staircase
on
the
north
side
of
the
building
and
how
it
ties
through
to
the
annex
with
what
is
effectively
a
two-story
bridge
over
the
retention
area.
AF
Working
through
the
ceilings,
we're
keeping
the
ceilings
all
as
hard
ceilings
in
the
wet
areas
and
the
prestigious
areas
there
will
be
acoustical
treatment
on
them.
In
the
council
chamber,
we
do
have
an
acoustical
consultant
on
the
team
who
has
done
his
analysis
of
the
council
chamber
and
we
didn't
need
any
acoustical
treatment
beyond
what
we're
already
envisaging.
So
the
wood
wall
that
you
may
recall
behind
the
Deus
will
be
perforated
to
allow
salmon
absorbance.
AF
There
will
be
a
sound
absorbent,
plus
a
ceiling
elsewhere
in
the
project
where
there's
hard
ceilings,
those
are
regular
drywall
and
we
have
lay
in
ceiling
elsewhere.
So
it's
it's
a
economic
approach
and
it's
spending
the
money
where
it
counts,
like
in
the
council
chamber
and
the
dark
gray
in
the
bottom
left.
AF
So
going
back
to
materials,
any
new
brickwork
in
the
project
will
be
looking
to
match
the
existing
brickwork
of
the
historic
building
as
closely
as
possible.
The
suggestion
that
we
could
use
roofing
material.
That
is
the
same
as
the
historic
structures
immediately
adjacent
so
that
you
have
that
Integrity
running
completely
through
the
historic
district
and
starting
to
look
at
floor
finishes
both
inside
and
outside,
and
those
are
actually
a
concrete
paver
to
the
bottom
right
there,
with
the
great
virtue
that
you
can
use
those
both
inside
and
out
so
up
in
the
top
left
there.
AF
That's
actually
that
same
paver
used
in
a
internal
situation,
and
you
can
see
on
the
plan
there,
how
we're
showing
the
paving
running
on
the
axis
of
the
council
chamber
and
then
through
the
city
Gallery.
So
we've
looked
at
that
which
is
quite
directional
as
a
floor
finish
and
we've
looked
at
something
more
akin
to
a
Terrazzo
in
the
top
right
there,
which
you'll
see
on
one
of
the
renderings.
AF
So
there
are
options
here
and
one
of
the
discussions
to
have
with
staff
is
to
how
we
present
physical
samples
to
you
and
put
together
a
presentation
where
you
can
see
that
in
the
building
and
against
the
adjacent,
brickwork
and
so
forth,
we
generally
go
with
a
off-white
paint
on
the
walls
and
what
works
very
well
when
you
have
a
deep
red.
Brickwork
like
this
is,
if
you
include
actually
a
little
bit
of
red
in
the
white.
AF
That
was
what
was
supposed
to
be
that
beige
color
on
the
right.
But
it's
far
darker
on
the
screen
than
in
in
reality
and
you'll,
see
that
in
the
renderings
too,
and
looking
at
carpet
samples,
which
is
the
bottom
two
images
on
the
left
there
and
the
medium
bronze
for
the
storefront
glazing
system,
so
that
that
all
ties
together
and
that's
what
you're,
seeing
in
the
renderings
that
you've
seen
beforehand
and
show.
Here,
we
kept
the
opinion
of
probable
construction
costs.
AF
The
same
as
before
the
we
lost
a
little
bit
of
square
footage,
both
through
the
rationalization
and
having
to
pull
the
building
back
from
City
Annex.
But
we
added
that
exterior
staircase.
So
that
should
be
pretty
much
a
wash
the.
What
we're
seeing
on
other
projects
is
there's
still
escalation
in
the
marketplace,
but
steel,
which
is
a
major
component
of
the
building,
is
coming
down.
So
concrete
remains
expensive
and
difficult
to
get
the.
AF
AF
Schedule
wise,
the
everything
to
the
blue
is
what's
in
progress
and
completed.
Our
intention
is
that,
while
the
construction
manager
at
risk
prices,
the
60
set
that
Banks
Engineering,
the
civil
engineer
will
continue
with
his
work
and
take
it
through
to
the
Swift
Mud
permit,
there's
a
there's,
a
lengthy
time.
That
goes
with
that.
So,
on
the
basis
of
what
we're
doing
this
afternoon,
then
Banks
Engineering
will
survey
that
then
do
their
civil
engineering
work.
AF
It
would
mean
that
they
were
coming
to
completion
at
the
end
of
when
we
envisage
90
documents
having
been
achieved
so
we're
at
the
gold
star.
There
we've
got
a
great
period
while
the
construction
manager
at
risk
prices.
Then
we
await
your
approval
or
of
the
alternates
and
which
exact
options
we're
going
with,
and
then
we
can
recommends
go
through
90
100
and
if
everything
followed,
the
theory
we'd
then
have
the
construction
manager
with
a
14-month
construct
construction
schedule,
which
would
take
you
to
October
of
2024
when
the
building
would
be
completed.
AF
AF
AF
We
enlarged
your
planting
areas
because
there
will
be
a
lot
of
mechanical
equipment
back
at
that
north
side
of
the
building,
which
will
also
all
have
to
be
above
base
flood
elevation,
so
we're
housing
that
on
a
metal
platform
which
will
be
built
above
your
retention
area,
so
that
way,
we're
gaining
some
land
area
and
Banks
Engineering
have
confirmed
that.
There's
no
storm
water
issues,
we're
doing
that.
AF
The
council
chamber,
as
you
saw
it
before
the
must
be
the
projector
which
gives
it
the
gold
Glitz
that
gold
Sparkle
does
not
exist,
but
the
the
wood
finishes
you
saw
before
that
would
be
perforated
for
acoustic
absorbance.
The
openings
through
which
you
would
exit
to
leave
the
Deus
a
painted
black
behind,
as
you
would
in
a
theater,
so
that
you're
not
the
focus,
is
on
the
Deus
and
yourselves
at
it,
and
then
the
two
separate
podiums
for
presentation.
AF
AF
So
as
before,
I
I
believe
it's
very
much
a
building
that
differentiates
from
the
historic
city
building
but
is
sympathetic
to
it,
as
outlined
by
the
U.S
guidelines
from
the
Department
of
the
interior
and
the
suggestion
that
we
go
to
the
metal
roofing
finish
akin
to
the
single-family
residences
adjacent.
Thank
you.
U
If
I
could
just
make
a
couple
comments
to
what
you
had
said
and
what
you've
told
us
before,
first
of
all,
we
were
looking
for
materials
that
are
resilient,
so
obviously
you've
accomplished
that
looking
for
a
space,
that's
flexible
and
we
have
a
lot
of
flexibility
in
some
of
the
things
that
you
just
described
and
also
that
would
serve
us
into
the
future.
So
we're
not
paying
for
something
today
that
we
outgrow
in
five
years,
because
we
don't
want
to
do
it
twice.
So
those
things
are
Incorporated
in
here,
but
part
of
the
project
itself.
U
When
you
look
at
City
gallery,
for
example,
I
remember,
you
had
said
that
one
of
the
reasons
for
people
that
have
worked
in
that
building
for
quite
some
time
and
are
not
there
now,
there's
more
than
just
the
construction
that
calls
staff
to
be
moved
out
of
that
building.
That
building
has
been
around
a
long
time
and
needs
a
lot
of
work
than
anyone.
That's
been
in
there
for
any
period
of
time
knows
the
kind
of
work
that
it's
going
to
take.
U
But
that
being
said,
part
of
the
reason
that
we
had
water
infiltration
and
all
the
things
when
you
look
at
the
age
of
that
building
and
the
way
the
brick
was
laid
up
anytime,
the
waters
driving
against
the
rear
of
the
building.
It
just
infiltrated
the
brick
it's
inside
the
walls.
We
had
all
the
problems
that
causes,
but
now
for
the
historic
character
that
exterior
wall
becomes
an
interior
wall.
U
I
say
that
really
not
only
helps,
provide
and
differentiate
the
space,
but
maintains
the
historical
character
of
the
building
as
it
currently
stands,
and
a
lot
of
the
things
in
and
around
City
Hall
are
like
that.
They
just
need
mitigated,
because
the
elements
themselves
in
the
area
that
it
sits
are
just
have
just
caused
a
lot
of
damage
to
the
interior
and
a
lot
of
things
that
people
can't
work
in.
So
it
takes
care
of
those
issues,
then
of
course
city
council
chambers,
as
they
currently
exist.
U
You
know
built
in
78
almost
45
years
ago
and
before
Ada
was
officially
adopted
at
the
federal
level
and
I.
Remember
doing
the
analysis
that
if
we
just
took
that
existing
Council
chamber
and
converted,
it
say
that
we
now
with
all
the
construction
it's
one
building,
so
we
have
to
convert
that
to
meet
current
Ada.
U
You
could
do
it
in
that
chamber
if
you
only
wanted
16
seats
for
the
general
public,
so
not
exactly
something
that
moves
us
into
the
future,
but
where
it
gives
the
look
of
a
city
that
has
planned
well
for
its
needs
in
the
coming
decades,
so
the
design
that
you've
provided
and
what
was
discussed
previously,
which
this
is
just
an
iteration
with
all
the
details
eyes
about
a
Deeds
crossed,
certainly
accomplishes
those
things
that
we
discussed.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Y
One
of
questions
but
comments
when
we're
ready
for
comments.
Sure,
okay,
I,
think
it's
stunning.
What
job
well
done
we'll
see
how
it
actually
costs
out
I
think
it
it's
befitting
in
the
city.
It
does
preserve
the
character,
however,
that
metal
I
think
is
a
it
makes
it
look
Industrial
in
a
warehouse
feel,
in
my
opinion,
if
you
look
at
that,
it
adds
a
third
texture
and
color
to
the
front
I
think
it's
less
elegant
than
what
you
had
before
I
I
do
not
think.
That's
the
right
way
to
go
beyond
that.
B
X
AF
AF
AF
X
B
Questions
I
I
also
have
a
couple
questions.
First,
I
totally
agree
with
Mark
I.
Don't
like
that
structure
with
the
finish
that
you've
proposed
I,
don't
like
it
at
all:
I,
don't
I,
just
think
it
looks.
It
detracts
from
the
historic
value
of
the
historic
part
of
the
building
completely,
and
it
turns
it
into
something
that
looks
like
it's
trying
to
be
contemporary,
but
it's
really
not
and
I,
don't
like
it
at
all
and
I
think
something
more
neutral
needs
to
go
in
that
space.
AF
AF
AF
J
AF
So
the
so
when,
when
you
remember
the
public
and
you're
using
the
city
clerks
Department,
you
can
see
through
a
glazed
wall,
you
can
see
you
can
you
they
can
see
the
stair.
The
staff
within
the
city,
clerks
Department,
can
all
see
the
stair
and
it's
kind
of
a
breakout
space
at
the
foot
of
it.
So
everybody's
going
to
see
it
just
as
much
they
just
won't
be
able
to
enjoy
the
walking
of
it.
AF
B
AF
U
B
If
I
may
just
deviate
for
one
second,
we've
got
a
situation
out
in
the
parking
lot.
Whoever
owns
the
Nissan
Altima
Florida
plate,
ffy
647
with
something
that
says:
Pittsburgh
Steelers
on
it.
You
must
move
your
car
immediately.
It's
just
blocking
the
dumpster
and
the
dumpster
has
to
get
emptied
right
now.
Please.
Z
AF
AF
D
U
For
this
letter,
we
basically
just
took
what
you
discussed
previously
memorialized
it
so
that
we
can
then
submit
it
and
have
our
priorities
on
there.
There's
two
things
that
the
letter
does
specifically
say,
one
other
than
the
priorities,
one
that
we
support:
Florida
League
of
cities
and
then
subsequently
County
initiatives.
B
AA
Lynn,
if
I
may,
my
group
questioned
the
dollar
amount
that
we're
asking
for
for
that
Emergency
Center
thinking
the
number
was
probably
not
adequate
to
get
the
level
of
equipment
we'd
likely
need.
So
maybe,
if
you
could
just
comment
Greg
about
why
that
number
was
selected,
I
mean
I
took
a
stab
at
it,
but
I'd
rather
you
well.
U
There's
two
things:
one:
it's
part
of
a
larger
project
and
that
larger
project
already
added
for
five
million
dollars
in
it
and
included
some
Emergency
Operations
capability.
This
enhances
that
we
started
with
one
million,
but
we
were
really
looking
for
something
that
the
legislators
could
actually
approve,
and
the
recommendation
was
if
we
got
much
higher
than
that,
they
probably
won't
be
able
to
even
look
at
it.
So
we
get
nothing
so
really.
U
AA
B
AA
B
U
X
Obviously,
I
asked
for
that
to
be
put
on
the
agenda:
David
I'm,
sorry,
they
used
it
obviously
to
attack
yet,
but
obviously
didn't
want
that
to
happen,
but
I'm
just
looking
at
the
services
that
we
request
of
our
attorney
I
truly
did
not
agree
with
with
the
the
advice
he
had
given
Council
on
that
sign
on
this,
but
I'm
just
one
person.
That
said
to
be
honest
and
listened
to
it,
but
in
looking
at
everything
our
City's
growing
and
that's
this.
X
Is
this
part
that
I
want
to
bring
to
my
fellow
colleagues
today
our
City's
growing?
We
have
people
looking
to
come
into
the
city,
there's
other
things
going
around
the
city
that
will
affect
the
city
for
many
years
to
come,
and
when
this
year
is
done,
we
will
have
paid.
I
could
Merle
over
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
a
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
buys
a
lot
of
attorney
and
I.
Think
maybe
time
has
come
that
we
look
as
a
council
to
hire
our
in-house
attorney
an
in-house
attorney.
We
already
have
a
paralegal.
X
It
does
her
job
very
well
and
I
think
we
ought
to
look
at
that
so
that
we
can
address
the
issues
that
they
come
before
the
city
quickly
with
within
in-house
Council.
So
that's
the
reason
why
I
kind
of
asked
this
to
be
put
on
there.
I've
looked
at
it
in
a
number
of
different
ways
and
I
just
think
we
could
save
some
money
by
doing
an
in-house
attorney.
Y
Y
To
to
change
course,
and
let's
talk
about
something
else,
I
don't
think
is
appropriate
personally,
going
back
to
the
reason
it
was
asked
to
be
put
on
the
agenda
in
the
first
place,
I
wasn't
on
council
at
the
time,
so
I
can't
comment
on
all
of
what
went
on,
but
my
understanding
is
that
he
was
asked
to
do
something
and
he
did
exactly
what
he
was
asked
to
do
and
to
lay
this
at
his
feet.
Now.
Is
it's
not
right?
It's
not
fair.
It's
not
appropriate
and
it's
over
I
mean
why.
F
Y
So
I
take
exception
with
why
it
was
put
on
the
agenda
in
the
first
place.
I
just
don't
think
that's
right.
If
we
want
to
have
a
discussion
about
whether
we
need
an
in-house
attorney
or
not,
that's
a
whole
different,
that's
a
whole
different
situation,
but
that's
not
how
this
was
put
on
the
agenda
and
it
caused
all
of
this
today
and
I.
Think
that
is
unfair,
inappropriate
and
I
take
exception
to
it.
J
J
I,
like
Mark,
was
not
on
council
at
the
time,
but
we
both
sat
in
the
audience
and
and
I
actually
went
back
and
and
watched
all
the
video
of
when
this
was
brought
up.
One
thing
that
I
think
and
I
have
to
say
the
media
did
a
terrible
disservice
to
the
city
is
when
this
was
actually
brought
up.
This
was
brought
up
to
give
more
freedom
to
the
city,
more
freedom,
content
neutral
we
used
to
have
it
was
a
political
sign.
J
J
There
was
a
rabbit
hole
that
everybody
went
down
and
there
was
a
lot
of
pressure
from
residents
on
Council
Members.
There
was
you
know
this
Rabbit
Hole
of
a
conversation
of
well
okay.
If
we
do
this,
what
about
this?
What
about
that?
What's
going
to
happen
and
that's
how
that
conversation
started
and
shame
on
the
media,
then
because
they
picked
it
up,
they
put
it
on
the
news
and
all
they
talked
about
was
the
f
word
and
that's
where
that
went
down
that
rabbit
hole.
J
It
was
made
to
allow
the
residents
to
have
more
freedom,
and
now
this
is
where
we're
at
so
I
think
that
everybody
should
take
blame
with
this.
If
they're,
you
want
to
put
blame
on
something,
I
think
that
you
know
our
attorney
was
asked
to
do
something.
If
you
go
back
and
watch
I
think
Mr
Levin
even
said
you
know
that
it
may
be
done
it
may
not,
but
you
know,
none
of
us
are
judges
in
a
court.
We
don't
know
exactly
how
something
is
going
to
come
out.
So
we
took
a
risk.
J
We
took
a
stance
and
this
is
what
happened.
That
is
the
way
the
world
works
so,
but
but
what
I
want
to
get
out
today
is
that
people
need
to
understand.
This
was
to
give
more
freedom
to
the
residents,
content,
neutral,
signage
and
it
went
right
down
a
bath,
a
Bad
Rabbit
Hole
from
there,
so
I
just
think.
People
have
forgotten
about
that.
That
that's
why
the
council
even
met
is
to
give
content
neutrality
to
this
city,
and
this
is
what
would
happen
so.
B
No
I
didn't
agree
with
a
lot
of
the
things
that
were
incorporated
into
the
new
sign
ordinance,
but
at
the
time
we
did
the
best
we
could
with
the
information
we
had
to
work
with.
So
as
Mark
alluded
to
I,
think
another
conversation
for
another
day
might
be:
what
should
our
options
be
going
forward
if
we
wish
to
keep
Mr
Levin
as
our
Council
or
if
we
wish
to
explore
other
options
for
legal
counsel?
That's
a
different
conversation
for
another
day.
What
I
think
you
know
there
was
a
lot
of.
B
B
He
knew
how
to
give
us
based
on
all
the
research
he
did
and
he
did
a
ton
of
it
how
many
hours
a
lot
a
lot
of
hours
so
in
his
defense,
I
have
to
say
that
I
think
I
think
you
know
we
have
the
benefit
of
having
a
lawyer
with
us
who
represents
a
firm
that
has
expertise
in
a
lot
of
different
areas
of
legalese.
So
that
is
an
advantage
to
us
if
you
think
about
going
down
the
other,
the
other
line
of
thinking
and
bringing
on
board
a
full-time
legal
counsel.
B
I,
don't
love
that
we
have
to
pay
a
lot
of
legal
fees,
but
the
fact
is,
there
are
a
lot
of
things
that
come
before
the
city
that
the
City
attorney
has
to
be
part
of
and
weigh
in
on
so
I
think
I.
Think
for
the
moment,
I
think
we
have
to
trust
his
judgment
for
what
he
was
tasked
to
do.
I
think
he
did
the
best
he
could
with
what
he
what
he
did
in
his
research.
B
We
made
a
decision
based
on
what
information
was
given
to
us
at
the
time
and
like
it
or
not.
We
have
a
sign
code,
ordinance
that
we
may
or
may
not
like.
So
that's
my
position
on
it
and
and
I
understand
where
you're
coming
from
Bill
but
I
think
I.
Think
that
has
to
be
two
separate
conversations,
and
Mark
is
right
about
that.
So
no.
X
On
defense,
though,
actually
what
I
said
we
need
to
explore
our
options?
I
wasn't
I,
wasn't
coming
here
today
to
try
to
fight
11..
That's
not
the
that's.
The
first
thing
for
my
mind
when
I
looked
at
everything
when
I
was
and
I
asked
the
staff
to
give
me
some
figures
of
what
it's
costing
us,
it's
it's
it's
it's
substantial
and
I
think
you
know
we
could.
The
highest
paid.
I
also
did
some
research
highest
paid.
City
attorney
on
staff
is
150
Grand,
that's
the
highest
for
salary,
salary,
correct!
Then
it
goes
on
from
there.
Z
X
I
but
I'm
like
I,
said
and
I
respect
everybody
on
the
dice
I
I
last
remember
to
have
this
put
on
here
to
explore
the
options
and
one
of
the
options
I
looked
at,
then
that
was
to
look
at
maybe
doing
an
in-house
attorney
and
didn't
come
here
today
to
call
for
David
to
be
gone.
That's
for
the
paper
kind
of
picked
that
up
from
there
I
did
not
okay.
J
Melissa
and
I
will
say
you
know
if
we're
talking
about
the
the
difference
between
in-house
and
whatnot,
and
doing
some
research.
One
advantage
we
have
with
having
an
attorney
that
is
with
a
firm
is
that
God
forbid,
Mr
Lemon
gets
sick
or
you
know
is
not
able
to
attend.
Then
we
have
backup
protocols
with
that.
J
If
you
do
have
an
in-house
attorney,
I,
don't
know
exactly
what
would
happen
with
that
protocol
if
God
forbid,
that
attorney
were
to
be
sick,
for
you
know
extended
time,
so
there
is
I
think
some
some
advantage
to
that
and
another
thing
just
to
put
on
the
record
too,
which
you
know
with
being
fairly
new
to
councils,
that
I'm
learning
is
Mr.
Levin
is
not
the
only
one
we
have.
You
know
six
other
attorneys
that
actually
do
things
for
the
city.
J
When
it
comes
to
you
know,
labor
or
might
come
a
finance
attorney,
different
attorneys,
so
I
kind
of
see
Mr
Levin
as
kind
of
your
general
practitioner,
you
go
to
him
first
and
then
there's
other
specialty.
Lawyers
attorneys
that
we
also,
you
know
have
in
the
city,
so
I
just
want
to
bring
that
up
because
I
don't
know
that
everybody's
aware
of
that
yeah
yeah.
AA
I
just
make
the
comment
that
the
fact
that
David's
been
with
us
for
15
years
is
worth
a
lot.
So
while
we
could
explore
the
option
of
going
in-house,
there
will
be
a
learning
curve
and
that's
something
I
think
we
have
to
take
into
account
and
also
I,
don't
want
to
defend
his
hourly
rate,
but
I
would
say.
Actually
we
have
a
bargain.
AA
You
know
among
for
attorneys
of
his
caliber
and
experience
and
what
he
knows
about
us.
So
I
really
do
think
that
we
should
all
take
a
breath
and
then,
if
we
want
to
have
a
conversation
about
options,
we
have
that
in
the
new
year,
but
I
don't
think
it
should
be
up
to
this
issue.
I
mean
I
was
unplanning
commission
during
the
sign
ordinance,
I
sat
through
a
lot
of
presentations.
There
was
a
lot
of
diverse
opinions
expressed.
AA
B
Any
other
comments
before
we
move
well,
thank
you
for
the
conversation
I
think
you
know
going
forward.
Maybe
we
have
future
conversations
and
we
look
explore
at
what
other
options
there
might
be
if
that
is
what
your
your
choice
would
be,
so
we
can
always
have
it
brought
back
on
a
council
agenda
in
the
future.
Okay,
thank
you.
Okay,
City
Clerk,.
W
Boards
and
committees,
we
do
have
quite
a
few
vacancies
border
zoning
appeals.
Two
regular
seats
and
two
alternates
burnt
store
aisles,
just
one:
regular
code
enforcement
board;
three
regular
and
two
alternates
historic
preservation:
Advisory
Board
to
alternates
Punta,
Gorda,
Isles,
Canal
advisory
committee,
one
seat
utility,
Advisory
Board
two
seats
and
that's
all
for
vacancies.
So
under
BSI
we
do
have
a
nomination.
W
B
F
W
J
B
D
Y
I
I
agree
with
the
comments
that
were
made
earlier
about
needing
to
strengthen
the
Committees
and
have
qualified
individuals
after
reviewing
the
applications.
In
my
opinion,
I
think
Mr
Sandage
is
qualified
and
I
would
be
in
favor
of
nominating
him.
I
do
not
believe
that
Mr
faldeta
is
qualified,
while
I
appreciate
him
stepping
up
to
volunteer,
and
we
certainly
need
volunteers.
I
do
think
we
need
to
have
strong
committees,
so
I
would
I
would
be
in
favor
of
nominating
Mr
Sandage.
B
AA
Yeah
and
I'd,
you
know
like
to
add
to
that
I
was
concerned
about
the
same.
You
know
nominee
that
you
mentioned
the
fact
that
I
don't
believe
he
even
introduced
himself
to
us.
So
there's
really
no
way
to
judge
except
what
he
put
on
paper
and
I
really
didn't
think.
His
reason
for
wanting
to
serve
actually
was
the
appropriate
reason.
B
I
I
think
I
I
agree
with
with
Mark's
assessment.
I
I've
met
Mr,
Sandage
and
he's
a
local
business
owner
he's
been
invested
in
the
community.
His
background
is
such
that
I
think
he
would
have
some
good
General
overview
knowledge
of
what
is
required
for
the
seat,
so
you
may
nominate
and
appoint
him
if
you
wish
to
do
that.
B
W
And
then
the
the
last
thing
under
nominations
is
the
Punta
Gorda
Housing
Authority.
There
are
two
seats:
Debbie
Carey
withdrew
her
application
at
the
last
minute.
After
reviewing
her
schedule,
she
decided
that
it
might
cause
some
absences
and
she
didn't
think
that
would
be
fair,
too
the
board,
so
we
just
do
have
one
Mr
Nick
Warden
is
a
eligible
applicant.
If
you'd
like
to
consider
nominating
him.
If.
B
For
this
because
I
think
she'd
be
an
excellent
contributor
for
that
board
and
I
I
guess
there
was
a
concern
because
she's
going
on
a
long
trip
at
the
beginning
of
the
year
that
I
think
there
was
a
concern
that
there
may
not
be
a
quorum
for
one
of
their
meetings,
and
that
was
the
only
reason
that
she
would
throw
her
name
and
she's
very
sad
because
she
really
wanted
to
do
it.
So
I'm
I'm,
not
sure
we
should
accept
her
withdrawal.
B
W
W
W
B
B
K
W
B
Would
be
in
favor
of
that
she
has
been
on
that
board
as
the
city
council
liaison
for
the
last
three
years,
and
there
couldn't
be
anybody
better
who's,
more
informed
and
up
to
speed,
so
I
would
I
would
love
to
see
that
happen.
She's,
probably
she's,
probably
yelling
at
me
right
now,
because
she's
home
watching
it.
B
AA
W
W
Excuse
me
so
we're
we're
trying
to
be
creative
in
in
how
we
are
getting
the
word
out
some
more
to
to
get
some
more
applicants
coming
in
this
I
mean
it's
really
been
since
covid.
You
know
people
just
sort
of
like
dropping
like
flies.
They
just
they
didn't
want
to
be
meeting
anymore
and
they
those
folks
haven't,
come
back.
W
J
B
B
W
J
U
Beneficial
process
just
to
get
to
where
we
can
advertise
things,
so
we
can
start
to
get
the
ball
rolling
on
specific
components.
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you
for
your
time
here
today
with
the
new
Council
everyone's
really
up
to
speed
and
engaged,
and
that's
that's
nice,
so
we
can
continue
to
get
things
moving.
So
I
appreciate
that,
because
we
have
a
lot
to
to
accomplish
and
again
happy
holidays
and
we
hope
they're,
all
joyful
and
we'll
start
again.
Z
Thank
you.
It
is
a
pleasure
and
a
privilege
to
be
the
face
of
a
large
Law
Firm.
That's
been
representing
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda
for
a
number
of
years,
a
law
firm
that
has
Specialties
in
litigation,
real
estate,
Environmental
corporate
law,
tax
law.
We
represent
state
counties
and
cities
throughout
the
State
of
Florida.
We
represent
the
Sarasota
County
Property
Appraiser,
and
so
you
don't
see
all
those
experts
that
come
to
Bear
when
necessary
to
assist
the
city
in
legal
services
from
time
to
time.
Z
Earlier
today,
one
of
the
members
of
the
public
spoke
with
respect
to
the
city's
concealed
weapon
ordinance
and
the
city
manager
received
a
a
voicemail
that
was
forwarded
to
me
questioning
the
constitutionality
of
our
ordinance
as
it
relates
to
concealed
weapons
and
I
presented
yesterday,
a
legal
opinion
addressing
that
I
was
not
expecting.
It
would
be
up
for
discussion
today
and
I've
asked
the
city
manager
to
send
you
a
copy
of
of
that
opinion.
Z
The
concealment
of
firearms:
it
only
prevents
the
concealment
of
weapons
that
are
defined
to
exclude
firearms
and
therefore
our
ordinance
is
not
preempted
by
the
state
statute.
Regarding
firearms
and
you'll,
see
in
the
opinion
that
I
rendered,
you
know,
that's
more
fully
explained
but
I'm
I'm
always
concerned
when
someone
suggests
that
the
city
can
be
sued
for
something
that's
unconstitutional
and
the
truth
of
the
matter
is
anyone
that
has
the
filing
fee
can
file
suit
against
the
city
on
any
issue,
and
even
when
I
do
the
research
that
I
do
and
I.
Z
Z
And
so
all
I
can
tell
you
is
that
the
only
guarantee
that
you
have
to
avoid
being
sued
and
and
then
losing
the
lawsuit
is
to
never
adopt
an
ordinance
that
somebody
might
say
violates
the
Constitution.
Now
I
recognize
that
there
was
a
lot
of
public
comment
that
was
criticizing
the
ordinance
that
we
adopted
as
being
contrary
to
the
First
Amendment
rights
and
I
can
assure
you
that
I
took
that
great
heart.
When
I
did
the
research
to
to
ultimately
allow
the
city
to
move
forward
with
an
ordinance
that
they
wanted
to
adopt.
Z
Z
V
Z
B
I'm
choosing
Greg
because
he's
sitting
here
pushing
his
sign,
making
sure
it's
all
equal
and,
like
I,
said
OCD,
we
tease
each
other
all
the
time.
Okay,
thank
you
city
clerk.
Do
you
have
anything
additional
okay,
I
would
just
like
to
say
it's
an
honor
and
a
joy
to
work
for
the
city
and
for
the
residents
that
live
here
and
I
truly
hope
that
everyone
has
a
wonderful
holiday
season.
B
Merry
Christmas
happy
Hanukkah,
whatever
you
may
be
celebrating
I
hope
it's
a
joyous
season
for
you,
we'll
look
forward
to
working
with
everyone
again
in
the
New
Year
and
have
a
have
a
safe
holiday
season
as
well
and
again,
thank
you
to
everyone
in
the
city
for
everything.
You've
done
in
Hurricane.
Restoration
is
miraculous.
What
we've
gotten
done
in
two
months,
and
it's
truly,
it's
truly
a
pleasure
to
work
alongside
all
of
these
wonderful
people.
We
have
a
lot
to
be
thankful
for
this
year.
We
have
almost
all
of
our
debris
is
all
gone.
B
Unlike
every
other
community
around
us.
You
know
the
county
is
saying
that
they
may
be
April
before
everybody's
debris
is
collected
and
I
was
out.
Edgewater
Drive
yesterday
and
I
can
tell
you
it's
going
to
be
April
because
there
is
so
much
stuff
out
there
that
has
to
still
be
collected
and
and
I'll
also
add
off
the
Record,
but
on
the
record,
not
one
Boat
Lift
cover
remains
in
Port
Charlotte.
B
Every
single
one
of
them
blew
away
in
the
hurricane,
so
I
don't
ever
want
to
have
that
discussion
again
at
a
council
meeting,
because
truly
that
is
one
of
the
main
reasons
why
I
did
not
support
them
when
it
came
on
a
council
agenda
years
ago,
but
truly
thank
you.
Everyone
and
I
wish
all
of
you
in
all
of
your
departments,
a
wonderful
holiday
season
and
we're
really
hopeful
that
FEMA
is
going
to
start
coming
forward
with
a
lot
of
signed
documents
for
us
very
shortly.
So
we
can
continue
our
cleanup
process.
B
Y
Thank
you,
mayor
I,
wish
everybody
happy
holidays
as
well
and
to
maybe
a
little
bit
more
on
the
boaters
Alliance
I
mentioned
this
in
the
closing
comments
at
the
last
meeting,
I'm
happy
to
say
that
they
have
taken
up
the
challenge,
I'd
like
to
thank
Bob
hickey
and
the
boaters
Alliance
for
doing
that.
This
has
now
become
known
as
the
boaters
Alliance
Canal
debris
identification
program.
Y
There
was
I
understand
an
article
in
the
sun
recently
about
this
and
I
believe
it's
going
to
be
on
channel
2
or
whatever.
It
is
NBC
News
possible
even
this
evening,
but
there's
a
couple
points
of
clarification
just
for
those
of
you
who
might
might
be
interested
in
volunteering.
So
you
understand
exactly
what
they're
looking
for
this
is
an
identification
project,
not
a
removal
project.
Y
This
isn't
like
what
the
PG
Islanders
have
done
in
the
past
they're,
not
going
to
ask
anybody
to
take
anything
out
of
the
water
and
put
it
on
their
boat
least
of
all
me
and
my
brand
new
boat.
That's
not
going
to
happen,
but
I
will
be
happy
to
to
identify
stuff,
also
don't
contact
the
boaters
Alliance
for
Visible
debris
that
you
might
have
that's.
This
is
not
what
this
is
about.
Y
Y
But
the
important
thing
is
that
you
have
to
have
the
more
advanced
side
scan
or
3D
sonar,
the
reason
being
that
you
can
cut
a
wider
swath
with
that
when
you're
going
down
the
canal-
and
you
also
have
better
identification
capability
of
what
is
actually
down
there,
not
just
some
kind
of
blob
that
you
can
see
or
or
not
see.
So
if
you
want
to
volunteer-
or
if
you
know
someone
who
does
you
can
go
to
the
boaters
Alliance
website,
which
is
boat,
two
boat,
the
number
two
Punta
gorda.org-
they
also
have
a
meeting
I.
Y
Think
next
Thursday
is
the
15th,
yes
at
3
P.M
at
the
pgica.
So
if
you
have
any
interest
at
all,
if
you
know
somebody
who
has
a
boat
that
might
be
interested,
encourage
them
to
volunteer,
encourage
them
to
go
to
that
meeting.
I
also
had
a
long
conversation
with
Bob
hickey
last
night.
They
are
trying
to
organize
live
Boat
Parade,
which
is
on
the
17th,
and
there
is
some
concern
about
the
the
route.
We're
not
going
to
get
this
organized
I.
Don't
think
in
time
to
do
that.
Y
But
Bob
is
looking
for
a
couple
of
individuals
with
boats
that
who
might
be
able
and
willing
to
run
the
route
and
do
a
quick
sonar
sweep
before
the
the
the
event
on
the
17th.
So
if
you're
interested
in
that
again,
I
would
go
to
the
boat
to
Punta
gorda.org
website
and
express
your
interest
in
that
or
let
me
know
and
I'll
I'll
let
Bob
know.
So.
Thank
you
very
much
and
happy
holidays.
F
X
Too,
want
to
wish
everybody
Happy
Holidays,
a
safe
one.
I
definitely
want
to
condemn.
Condemn,
can
I
definitely
want
to
promote
the
fact
that
our
staff
here
in
the
city
has
done
an
amazing
job.
When
you
drive
down
the
streets,
most
of
the
debris
is
gone.
It's
getting
better
and
better
each
and
every
day,
I'm,
just
so
proud
of
this
city,
I'm,
not
sure
if
you're
I'm,
new,
obviously
I'm
learning
I'm,
the
liaison
for
the
the
airport,
Authority
and
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
real,
quick
update.
X
They
did
elect
the
same
officers
they
had
last
year
and
then
obviously
I
was
there
when
they
took
the
vote
to
give
that
land
where
the
racetrack
was
and
I
know.
Some
of
our
citizens
down
in
bernst
Terrell
tend
to
get
upset
when
that's
that's
in
operation,
so
the
Smugglers
is
going
through
their
90
day
due
diligence
period
into
that,
and
then
then,
from
there
they're
talking
about
building
an
Amphitheater,
the
haunted
house
will
be
out
there
all
the
rest
of
that
stuff.
So
more
on
that
to
come.
X
The
last
thing
I
want
to
make
sure
I
reported
all
of
us
at
the
airport.
Authority
would
like
to
give
us
a
20,
that's
what
they
use.
25
cent
tour
of
the
airport
if
we're
interested.
So
if
that's
the
case,
we
I
don't
know
what
the
protocol
is
our
city
manager.
Our
city,
is
turning.
Let
us
know
what
we
can
do
in
order
to
make
that
happen.
I.
B
B
F
B
Z
B
B
X
B
X
J
Melissa
I
just
want
to
wish
everybody
happy
holiday,
I,
don't
know
if
you're
like
me,
but
it
just
seems
like
seeing
all
the
lights
just
have
a
little
bit
different
special
this
year.
It
just
looks
different.
It
feels
different.
It
makes
everybody
kind
of
feel
like
everybody's,
getting
back
to
normal,
so
I'm
really
excited
to
see
people.
That
I
was
a
little
worried
that
maybe
people
say
I'm
not
going
to
decorate
this
year.
B
AA
And
then
obviously
I'm
going
to
Echo
my
best
wishes
to
the
staff
and
to
everyone
here
for
a
great
holiday
season,
I
Echo,
Bill
and
Lynn's
comments
regarding
the
tree
lighting
I
think
it
came
off
extremely
well,
but
it
was
sort
of
touch
and
go
and
I
think
we
can
really
improve
that
process
next
year
and
I
think
full
credit
to
our
city
manager
and
to
our
mayor
to
making
it
happen.
But
it
was
a
great
event
and
the
other
thing
I
want
to
commend.
The
team
on
is
the
Gilcrest
Park
work.
AA
I
mean
it's
a
huge
Endeavor
I'm
kidding
about
the
concrete,
because
everybody
knows
I
live
there,
but
I
think
they've
done
a
smashing
job
of
it.
They've
been
very
respectful
of
the
residents
and
we've
really
had
as
good
an
experience
as
you
could
have
given
the
enormity
of
of
the
project
and
I
look
forward
to
its
completion.
So
thank
you
and
best
wishes
for
the
holidays.