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Evening,
oh
very
good,
mark
city
clerk
are:
are
we
okay
to
begin?
Yes,
we
are
thank
you
good
evening
and
welcome
to
the
san
bernardino
city
council
special
meeting
of
march.
The
first
at
five
o'clock
meeting's
been
called
to
order
roll
call.
Please.
A
He
is
president,
I
might
just
be
trying
to
find
a
mute
button.
Vice
mayor
mason
is
not
present.
Mayor
medina
here,
mr
salazar
is
president-
and
I
am
present
sorry
about
that.
I
couldn't
find
my
mute
button
either.
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So
as
we
move
on
to
item
three
public
comments
for
items
not
on
the
agenda,
is
there
anybody
from
the
audience
public
I'm
not
seeing
any
in
our
zoom
meeting,
we
will
move
on
to
item
four
and
study
session
and
we
have
four
items.
The
first
item
will
be
item
a
receipt
port
on
the
downtown
parking
meters
and
enhanced
parking
enforcement
project
turn
over
to
the
city
manager
begin
sure.
Thank
you,
mayor
good
evening
to
the
mayor
council
staff
and
any
members
of
public
that
will
join
us.
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So
first
off.
Thank
you
tonight
to
the
city
council
for
carving
out
time
for
this
dedicated
study
session,
where
we
do
have
four
items
for
tonight
all
relate
to
the
police
department
or
projects
that
the
police
department
is
taking
the
lead
on
only
one
of
which
is
an
action
item.
The
other
three
are
informational
in
nature,
where
we
are
providing
the
city
council
with
an
update
feedback,
and
so
the
first
one
is
for
a
as
the
mayor
mentioned.
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A
receiver
report
from
our
downtown
parking
meter
and
parking
enforcement
project
know
that
this
is
the
first
sort
of
detailed
presentation
to
the
city
council
on
the
work
that
has
been
going
on.
It
is
nowhere
near
complete
and
we
are
at
a
point
where
we
thought
that
it
was
appropriate
to
provide
you
with
the
detailed
report
that
was
in
the
council
packet
and
this
presentation
there
certainly
will
be
next
steps
and
detailed
business
and
community
engagement.
That
will
follow
and
so
know
that,
and
so
we're
really
at
a
point
for
council
feedback.
A
This
presentation
will
be
provided
by
lieutenant
gene
wall
and
I
see
lieutenant
wong
is
anna.
Has
he
been
brought
into
the
room
as
a
presenter.
B
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So
when
lieutenant
wong
comes
on,
he'll
give
our
first
presentation
about
downtown
park
meters,
then
chief
johansen
will
give
a
second
item
about
our
military
use
and
equipment
ordinance
due
to
a
new
state
law.
A
We'll
then
receive
a
presentation
again
by
chief
johansen
on
a
new
program
based
on
council
input
that
the
city
has
created,
that
we've
termed
rid
off
as
a
pile
program,
and
so
we'll
receive
a
presentation
on
that,
and
then
4d
is
the
pd
radio,
encryption
and
infrastructure
project
a
significant
project.
We've
talked
a
little
bit
about,
but
you
have
not
received
a
detailed
presentation
on.
A
In
addition,
council
may
not
have
seen,
but
there
were
a
number
of
questions
submitted
earlier
today
that
staff
have
provided
a
response
to
but
feel
free
to.
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A
I
thought
it
was
at
six.
All
right,
no
worries
if
you
can
share
your
screen
and
take
it
away,
we'll
we'll
be
ready.
All
right.
Give
me
one.
Second.
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And
if
we
can
we'll
listen
to
the
lieutenant
hold
our
old
questions
until
the
conclusion
the
lieutenant,
please
you
have
the
floor
and
do
and
begin
with,
as
you
wish.
B
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
and
council.
My
my
name
is
lieutenant
gene
wang,
I'm
one
of
the
lieutenants
at
the
police
department,
one
of
the
sections
I'm
in
charge
of
is
the
traffic
section.
B
B
B
Part
of
that
parking
management
plan
found
that,
in
their
existing
conditions,
analysis
that
the
current
parking
conditions
were
unadaptable
to
residents.
Basically,
population
growth
on
housing
costs
have
resulted
in
increased
occupancy
in
the
housing
in
the
surrounding
neighborhoods.
So,
basically,
in
the
downtown
area,
the
demand
parking
exceeds
the
existing
supply.
B
So
part
of
that
downtown
parking
study
plan
made
a
set
of
phase
parking
management
recommendations
to
manage
the
parking
in
the
downtown
area,
including
the
high
afternoon
and
evening
park
and
demand
time
frame
and
to
help
users
find
and
use
available
parking,
improved
parking
ability
for
residents
and
potentially
increase
the
parking
supply.
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B
B
B
So
our
current
efforts,
we're
limited
in
our
staff
hours
to
contact
proactive
parking
enforcement,
so
the
traffic
section
of
the
police
department
is
responsible
for
parking
enforcement.
The
section
has
two
full-time
employees
and
three
part-time
community
service
officers.
B
The
community
service
officers
that
are
part-time
can
only
work
two
hours
two
days
per
week,
based
on
limitations
from
purs
section.
One
fully
staffed
typically
has
three
community
service
officers
working
each
weekday
and
typically
after
2
30
p.m.
There
aren't
any
csos
available.
B
So
our
community
service
officers
again
are
in
charge
of
park
enforcement.
Some
of
their
ongoing
parking
duties
include
street
sweeping
on
the
first
and
third
weeks
of
the
month.
So
for
large
parts
of
those
days
they
have
to
stay
ahead
of
the
street
sweepers
on
a
fixed
route
to
conduct
street
sweeping
enforcement.
B
Part
of
the
parking
enforcement
duties
include
72-hour
parking
investigations
which
take
up
a
large
amount
of
their
zap
hours.
As
an
example,
in
2019
there
were
2735
reported
72-hour
parking
violations,
so
that's
an
average
of
10
new
complaints
a
day
that
the
csos
have
to
go
and
find
and
process.
B
B
So
our
community
service
officers,
they
take
cold
crime
reports.
Basically,
if
it's
not
something
has
high
risk,
there's
no
suspect
inflation.
Our
community
service
officers
will
take
cold
crime
reports,
which
frees
up
time
for
our
sworn
police
officers
to
do
other
things
and
other
enforcement.
B
B
B
B
So
some
recent
events
have
presented
possible
liability
if
working
to
continue
chalking
tires.
So
basically
in
2019,
the
sixth
circuit
court
in
the
michigan
area
had
a
court
case
where
someone
was
issued.
A
parking
citation
based
on
tire
talk
that
person
sued
the
city
and
the
sixth
circuit
court's
decision
was
that
a
parking
enforcement
officer
chalking
the
vehicle's
tires
is
an
illegal
search
and
a
violation
of
the
fourth
amendment.
B
So
just
a
little
explanation
of
the
fourth
amendment
of
the
constitution.
That's
the
that's.
The
fourth
amendment
is
a
section
in
the
constitution
regarding
search
and
seizure
right.
Basically,
everyone
has
the
right
to
be
secure
and
their
property
secured
against
unreasonable
certain
caesars,
and
what
that
sixth
circuit
court
was
said
and
said
was
that
a
parking
enforcement
officer,
putting
choc
mark
on
someone's
tires
was
a
violation
of
the
fourth
amendment.
B
B
So
outsourcing
parking
enforcement.
It
has
been
done
with
a
good
success
in
many
cities,
including
locally
by
the
city
of
san
mateo.
So
in
2019,
san
mateo
began
outsourcing
citywide
park
enforcement
to
a
private
parking
services
company.
They
currently
use
a
company
named
last
parking
to
provide
those
services.
B
B
B
B
We
reached
out
to
last
parking
because
they
all
because
they
have
local
contracts,
they
are
able
to
provide
temporary
staff
at
an
hourly
rate
for
special
events,
such
as
saturation
enforcement
efforts
or
say
if
we
had
a
big
parade
or
other
a
special
event,
which
we
needed.
A
significant
additional
staffing
blast
parking
is
a
member
of
the
national
national
cooperative
personnel
alliance.
B
So
again,
police
department
staff
and
lab
parking
collaborately
will
create
a
proposed
plan
which
we
believe
will
fulfill
the
city's
enforcement
needs
and
management
needs
and
meet.
Many
of
the
recommendations
of
the
final
part
downtown
plan.
B
As
part
of
proposal,
glass
parking
would
provide
a
project
manager
and
regional
manager
to
manage
the
contract
with
services.
Last
parking
would
also
provide
their
own
parking
enforcement
offices.
They
will
lease
an
office
somewhere
within
the
city
to
give
their
staff
location
to
have
briefings,
use
a
computer,
take
breaks
and
have
parking
for
their
vehicles.
This
way
there
wouldn't
be
any
conflict
or
affecting
city
staff.
B
As
part
of
proposal
last
parking
would
provide
four
parking
enforcement
vehicles.
Typically,
the
company
uses
vehicles
like
a
toyota
prius.
The
vehicles
would
be
marked
as
last
parking
enforcement
vehicles
equipped
with
amber
strobe
lights,
license
plate
readers
and
a
gps
system.
B
So
this
would
be
a
cost
savings
right.
As
long
as
parking
is
responsible
for
providing
their
own
vehicles,
the
maintenance
and
insurance
on
the
vehicles
having
the
license
plate
reader
system
would
help
mitigate
that
six
circuit
court
decision.
B
The
license
plate
reader
system
allows
for
the
digital
chalking
of
vehicles
for
time
v
park
enforcement
via
photos
and
gps
locations.
So
just
a
little
quick
background
on
that.
Basically,
the
operator
would
drive
the
vehicle
along
the
street.
B
B
The
operator
would
stop
the
vehicle
at
that
time
and
take
a
look
and
investigate
the
before
and
after
pictures
and
make
a
determination
if
that
vehicle
was
still
there
beyond
time
limits.
Take
enforcement
actions
at
that
time
again
this
is
touchless,
it
does
it
with
photos
and
gps.
It
doesn't
require
any
actual
physical
shocking
again.
It
would
help
mitigate
that
six
circuit
court
decision
of
traditional
tire,
shocking.
B
So
the
next
part
of
the
proposal
would
be
to
establish
meter
parking,
downtown,
so
number
23
of
2021
police,
pharma
staff,
facilitated
town
town
meter,
parking,
merchant's,
focus
group
meeting.
B
B
So
the
plan
to
establish
meter
parking
would
basically
be
to
convert
existing
downtown
time.
Parking
commuter
parking
instead
last
part
would
assist
in
establishing
a
meter
parking
in
the
downtown
area
streets
and
the
eight
city
lots.
B
So
there
are
many
companies
that
provide
parking,
meter
solutions.
B
Last
parking
lot
proposal
selected,
mckay
meters,
k
meters
is
a
large
company
out
of
canada,
so
they
have
a
current
project
to
replace
more
than
eighteen
thousand
parking
meter
in
san
francisco
last
parking,
and
by
that
san
bruno
would
receive
this
camera
pricing,
because
mckay
meters
is
already
working
nearby
on
the
san
francisco
project.
B
So
the
proposal
estimates
that
31
single
space
meters.
A
B
Dual
space
or
dual
headed
meters
needed
to
service
the
189
time
street
parking
spaces
in
the
downtown
area.
17
pay
stations
would
be
needed
to
service
the
eight
city,
lots
in
the
downtown
area.
B
So
these
parking
meters
and
pay
station
they're
solar
powered
they
use
a
wire
without
a
connection.
So
there's
no
wiring
required
these
meters
and
stations,
support
coin
credit
card
and
pay
by
app.
B
B
So
the
pay
stations
themselves
for
the
eight
city
lots
support
different
modes,
there's
a
pay
and
display
pay
by
space
you're
paid
by
plate,
so
the
payment
plate
is
where
customers
go
to
the
machine
pay.
They
would
have
to
go
back
to
the
vehicle
and
put
the
receipt
on
the
dashboard.
B
This
is
inefficient,
for
enforcement
requires
manual
enforcement,
where
parking
enforcement
has
to
actually
walk
each
slot
and
look
at
each
car
for
the
dashboard
and
confirm
the
receipt
is
current.
There's
a
pay-by-space
mode.
This
is
where
all
the
parking
spaces
have
to
be
individually,
labeled
or
numbered.
B
This
is
where
the
customer
would
go
to
the
machine
pay
for
the
parking
and
then
input
their
license
plate
number,
and
that
would
indicate
that
their
vehicle
was
paid
for
parking,
and
this
system
integrates
well
into
park
enforcement
with
the
vehicle
license
plate
reader
systems.
It
makes
it
very
efficient.
B
So
as
part
of
this
proposal,
shoppers
and
visitors,
you
know
which-
which
there
were
called
the
short-term
parkers
again,
they
would
pay
enter
the
license
plate
number
and
they
would
be
subject
to
the
designated
time
limit.
There's
a
lot,
whichever
that
may
be,
the
long-term
parkers
could
be
incarnated
by
a
permanent
system
again
using
the
license
plate
as
the
print
number.
B
B
B
B
So
just
a
little,
you
know,
example
that
would
be
a
business
owner
can
maybe
upload
their
city
business
license
to
show
that
this
is
a
business
that
they're
a
part
of
that
they're
buying
for
parking
for
city
residents
could
upload
documents
such
as
a
water
bill,
etc
to
show
they're
a
resident.
B
So
the
permit
management
system
is
scalable
designed
to
handle
multiple
permit
types,
so
it
could
allow
for
hang
tags,
which
are
the
tags
that
go
on
your
mirror
or
a
sticker
which
goes
on
your
bumper
again.
The
staff
will
recommend
virtual
permits
or
using
a
vehicle's
license
plate
number
itself,
as
the
permit
hang
tags
and
stickers
again
require
minimal
enforcement.
B
A
person
or
staff
member
would
actually
have
to
go
and
verify,
take
a
look
and
confirm
that's
a
legitimate
and
valid
sticker
or
hang
tag
with
the
life
plate
reader
system.
It
allows
much
more
efficient
enforcement
of
these
permits
again.
Both
turbo
data
staff,
both
turbo
data
staff
and
city
staff,
can
issue
and
administer
these
permits
as
needed.
B
So
what
we're
going
to
present
the
capital
expenditure
for
the
parking
meters
and
pay
stations
and
vehicle
license
plate?
Readers
are
built
into
the
last
parking
quote
to
provide
parking
services,
and
so
the
equipment
itself
is
financed
at
10
for
a
36
month
term.
Agreement.
B
B
The
cost
for
last
parking
to
service
and
collect
revenue
from
the
meters
and
pay
stations
would
be
3,
500,
3,
500
monthly.
This
is
for
staff
members
to
go
around
and
change
out.
The
receipt
rolls
to
collect
the
revenue,
replace
change
as
needed
at
these
meters
and
pay
stations.
B
B
B
Another
still
to
be
determined
cost
is
the
study's
recommendation
to
install
improved
signage,
so
we'd
have
to
look
into
installing
proof
signage,
to
help
drivers,
locate
available
parking
and
way
finding
to
direct
them
to
the
city.
Lots
again.
Another
still
to
be
determined
cost
would
be
to
create
and
adopt
a
new
san
bernardino
municipal
code
chapter
authorizing
your
parking
and
me
neither
park
neither
parking
violations.
So
again,
that's
that's
another
supposed
to
be
determined
cost.
B
B
B
B
Again,
some
of
the
next
stats
steps
would
probably
to
look
at
what
the
parking
rate
should
be,
what
the
parking
timeline
should
be
and
what
the
signage
should
look
like.
B
A
Thank
you
lieutenant
for
your
presentation
and
report
and
I'd
like
to
turn
to
my
colleagues
and
see
if
there
are
questions
on
the
presentation.
A
Thank
you
mayor.
Thank
you,
lieutenant
for
the
for
the
presentation,
appreciate
it
and
appreciated
the
the
very
detailed
staff
report
that
we
were
able
to
go
over
beforehand.
I
have
a
few
questions.
Some
of
them
were
answered.
They
were
submitted
by
email
by
another
council
member,
so
I'll
try
to
skip
those,
but
so
these
the
the
parking
enforcement
folks,
the
the
contractors,
I
assume
that
they
can
only
enforce
meters.
A
B
So
last
parking
they
were
able
to
do
all
city-wide
parking
enforcement.
It
depends
what
directions
the
council
would
like
the
place
for
them
to
go.
Our
thoughts
were
that
72-hour
parking
enforcement
would
be
retained
by
our
community
service
officers.
So
we
can
keep
that
community-oriented
approach.
B
472
power
72-hour
park
enforcement,
but
they
can
do
all
parking
enforcement.
So
if
they
were
to
see
a
car
double
park,
they
can
issue
a
parking
citation.
Basically
anything
our
community
service
officers
can
do.
We
can
empower
them
to
do
also
parking
enforcement.
The
only
thing
my
understanding
is
because
of
private
staff.
They
don't
have
access
to
dmd's
computer
system,
so
say.
Example,
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
issue
a
expired
registration
parking
citation,
but
they
could
issue
it
for
the
expired
parking
tab
because
that's
visible,
you
know
as
we're
looking
at
the
vehicle.
A
I
would
have,
I
would
also
think
I
would
imagine.
Maybe
this
is
just
the
same-
the
same
as
would
be
with
the
cso,
but
since
these
folks
would
be
on
the
ground,
they
could
potentially
witness
non-parking
related
crimes.
Would
they
have
any
more
expedited
means
of
reporting
these
than
a
regular
citizen.
B
Would
yes,
we
can
definitely
set
that
up,
so
they
have
access
to
a
internal
phone
line
at
the
police
department,
so
they
can
be
our
eyes
and
ears
also
out
in
the
field,
and
they
can
rapidly
call
us
for
something
that
is
beyond
the
scope
of
what
they
can
handle,
but
they
can
handle
many
of
the
the
things
that
our
community
service
officers
do,
which
is
offer.
You
know,
motorist,
assists
or
some
traffic
control
for
disabled
motorists.
A
That's
great,
thank
you,
okay,
so
this
has
to
do
with
the
the
insulation
the
so
I'm
assuming
that,
since
the
meters
are
solar,
that
it's
not
going
to
be
cost
prohibitive
to
remove
them
and
then
later
replace
them
when
we
do
the
streetscape.
A
In
other
words,
you
know
some
at
some
point
in
the
future-
hopefully
not
the
too
far
future,
but
it's
going
to
be
in
the
future.
We
will
be
replacing
the
sidewalks
in
the
street
and
all
of
that
on
some
sort
of
stagger
basis,
so
obviously
the
the
the
meters
would
need
to
be
temporarily
removed
from
that,
but
because
all
solar,
I
imagine
that
it's
not
going
to
be
too
cost
prohibitive.
To
do
that,
I
think
that
question
will
probably
have
to
be
directed.
B
Towards
public
works
again,
the
installation
of
the
the
polls
and
the
pads
would
have
to
be
done
either
by
public
or
staff
or
the
third
party
party
contractor.
A
So
I
don't
know
what
those
costs
would
be.
Okay,
so
the
city
manager
might
be
able
to
add
on
to
that.
If
that's,
okay,
lieutenant
yeah
council.
B
Member
hamilton
we'll
we'll
confirm,
but
it's
my
understanding
that.
A
Neither
the
individual
polls
or
the
pay
stations
require
wired,
run
underground,
so
you're
correct.
If
we
are
redoing
the
sidewalk,
it
shouldn't
be
a
major
impediment
and
they
may
not
even
have
to
be
removed
right.
You
may
be
able
to
pour
a
new
sidewalk
around
around
the
existing
path
for
the
the
kiosk
or
the
individual
meters,
but
we
will
look
into
that
and
confirm
wonderful.
Thank
you
regarding
the
the
parking
the
online
parking
permit
program.
Tds
system.
Do
we
know
if
that
system
allows
for
guest
permits.
A
That
was
when
you
know
when
we
did
the
parking
permit
program.
That
was
one
of
the
sticking
points
for
folks
for
like
if
they're
having
a
party
or
whatever
and
then
they're
gonna
have
guests
having
it
some
kind
of
easy
means
for
folks
to
be
able
to
come
and
come
and
visit
someone's
home
without
him
without
living.
There
do
we
know
if
guests
permits
are
part
of
that
system,
then
if
I
consider
something
we
can
look
into.
B
We
can
definitely
look
into
and
confirm,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
that
that
the
program
itself
is
scalable
again.
It
can
accept
many
different
permit
types.
It's
just.
What
do
we
want
to
create
provide
to
trigger
data
to
allow
in
their
system?
Okay,.
A
B
Sorry
talking
to
turbo
data
before
council
member,
that
is
something
that
they're
capable
of
doing,
especially
if
you
choose
the
by
play
option
that
lieutenant
wong
talked
about,
because
they
simply
would
specify
the
time
frame
that
that
was
good
in
the
system
for
the
license
plate
reader
gene.
Would
you
mind
stopping
your
screen
share
while
we're
moving
through
I'm
trying.
I
can't
I
can't
find.
A
So
while
that's
happening
my
last
question,
actually
it
was
already
was
already
answered
by
by
by
in
advance,
but
I
just
want
to
throw
it
out
there
anyway,
just
for
my
for
my
colleagues
and
that
has
to
do
with
what
to
do
with
anticipated
excess
revenue
once
everything
is
paid
for
and
and
all
that
I
would
be
very
interested
in
in
having
excess
revenue
from
the
from
the
program
stay
downtown,
go
into
a
fund
for
a
parking
garage,
those
you
know,
or
you
know
the
power
washing
whatever
whatever
it
is,
it
benefits
downtown,
so
I'm
just
kind
of
throwing
that
out
there
for
the
for
my
colleagues
to
to
think
about
for
the
future,
but
as
we
as
we
learned
over
email,
that's
something
that
we
would
direct
during
the
budgeting
process.
A
A
So
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
clearly.
This
is
a
lot
of
effort
and
it's
something
that
is
desperately
needed
to
get
the
flow
of
traffic
or
parking
and
the
the
to
assist
the
merchants,
and
especially
with
this
latest
court
decision,
where
we
we
need
to
pivot.
We
need
to
do
something
different
and
the
license
plate.
Readers
seem
to
be
the
appropriate
answer.
A
I
am
interested
in
campaign
or
going
back
to
council
and
asking
for
the
full
amount
and
instead
of
financing
it,
that
is
a
that
is
the
reasonable
reduction
in
cost.
A
By
doing
so,
I
am
a
little
concerned
about
the
location
of
the
parking
meters
on
mastic.
It's
along
a
residential
side.
I
didn't
recall
that
part
being
added,
but
if
it
was
in
the
parking
study,
the
council
didn't
take
a
deep
dive
into
that
parking
study.
It
was
more
of
a
receiving
that
report
because
we
didn't
have
any
money
to
do
pretty
much
anything
in
that
report,
but
I
do
appreciate
where
we're
at
now
a
couple
other
questions.
A
A
So
I
wanted
to
to
ask
if
the
further
investigation
or
reason
why
we
wouldn't
go
to
a
more
of
a
pay
station
on
on
a
block
of
the
various
blocks
that
we
have,
and
one
last
thing
I
think,
would
be
in
my
question
of
establishing
that
more
of
an
enterprise
fund
that
that
the
excess
revenues
which
there
will
be
that
that
those
revenues
enter
some
type
of
enterprise
fund,
and
if
the
council
needs
to
provide
that
that
clear
direction,
then
I'm
looking
forward
to
being
able
to
do
that.
A
Lastly,
this
would
be
probably
for
the
city
attorney
on
on
how
we
would
put
this
project
out
to
bid.
A
It
seems
like
we're,
leaning
boards
by
a
just
one,
single
contractor
and
the
appropriateness
for
the
size
of
this
project.
I
would
like
to
get
some
guidance
on
that,
so
please
thank
you
for
the
attorney.
Did
you
wish
to
respond
to
that
last
point,
and
then
we
can
see
if
lieutenant
or
death
wish
to
answer
the
any
of
the
other
thoughts
or
comments
by
the
council
member
sure
just
generally,
council
member
medina
will
definitely
work
with
staff
to
make
sure
that
you
know
the
proper
process
is
used.
A
Just
in
general,
the
you
know,
the
sole
source
and
bidding
is
required
for
projects
that
involve
public
works
and
construction,
and
this
is
actually
a
bit
of
a
hybrid.
It
sort
of
depends
on
what
aspect
of
the
project
you're
talking
about,
so
it
might
be
appropriate
to
use
an
rfp
process.
A
However,
as
you
probably
know,
that
process
is
not
required
either
under
state
law
or
under
our
purchasing
policies.
It
is
listed
as
a
as
a
best
practice,
but
there
are
many
reasons
why
sometimes
that
practice
is
not
used,
many
valid
reasons,
and
so
we'll
definitely
explore
that
with
staff
and
make
sure
that
they've
complied
with
all
the
appropriate
rules
and
regulations
about
that.
B
I
can't
remember
medina,
I
believe
I
can
answer
a
question
about
going
with
meters
rather
than
pay
stations
on
on
santel
avenue
itself.
That's
a
great
question,
so
I
think
it
comes
down
to
costs.
We
definitely
could
do
pay
stations.
B
I
think
the
cost
will
just
increase
significantly.
I
think
in
the
staff
report
there
were
proposed
parking
meter
and
pay
station
locations.
So
just
an
example.
I
will
talk
about
the
south
end
of
san
mateo
avenue
on
the
west
side
of
the
street.
B
So
if
you
look
at
the
staff
report
that
calls
for
there's
13
parking
spaces,
the
meters
themselves
are
about
625
dollars
for
the
single
head
about
800
dollars
for
the
dual
head.
So
if
we're
looking
at
800
about
13
of
them
for
that
block
itself
would
be
about
ten
thousand
four
hundred
dollars.
B
The
pay
stations
themselves
are
about
seven
thousand
dollars.
A
single
pay
station
won't
be
enough
to
service
that
entire
block.
It
would
be
difficult
to
expect
someone
to
walk
that
far
to
get
to
a
pay
station.
So
for
that
one
small
block,
you
would
probably
require
two
pay
stations,
so
two
pay
stations
would
be.
Fourteen
thousand
dollars
versus
about
ten
thousand
dollars
to
surface
with
meters
instead,
so
we
definitely
can
look
at
that.
I
think
the
cost
would
just
go
up
significantly.
A
Thank
you
for
that
and
mr
mayor
yeah,
just
through
the
mayor,
just
wanted
to
to
just
make
sure
our
following
protocol
here
right.
So
thank
you
that
that's
good
to
know
and
one
this
will
be.
My
final
question
for
now
my
colleagues
get
their
chance,
but
when,
when
you
pay
by
phone,
do
you
have
to
go
to
the
pay
station
or
is
that
you
could
do
it
all
on
your
phone?
A
B
In
our
research
we
we
actually
didn't
look
that
far
what
my
understanding
is:
mckay
meters
interface
with
any
of
the
pay
by
phone
apps,
for
example,
san
francisco,
believes
uses
pay
by
phone,
so
we
can
select
any
of
the
pay
by
phone
apps
to
service
our
meters.
A
A
Thank
you
mayor.
I
just
want
to
piggyback
on
a
couple
of
those
questions
we'll
confirm,
but
with
the
pay
by
phone
apps.
Typically,
you
do
not
need
to
go
to
a
kiosk,
and
so
I
I
know
san
francisco
has
a
system
like
that
and
if
we're
able
to
use
those
systems,
you
can
do
it
totally
remote
with
respect
to
looking
into
an
enterprise
district
district
or
somebody
to
keep
the
revenue
in
the
downtown
area
have
received
council's
feedback
and
staff.
We'll
look
into
that.
A
I'm
not
sure
at
this
point
that
an
enterprise
fund
is
correct,
but
we
will
see,
if
there's
a
mechanism
to
do
that
in
general,
it
will
just
break
down
into
frankly
one
or
two
buckets
an
enterprise
or
some
district
zone
will
allow
those
funds
or
essentially
restrict
those
funds
to
only
be
spent
in
a
certain
area
and
typically
when
you
do
an
enterprise
that
is
set
in
the
budget,
because
the
fund
is
set
up
that
way
and
in
order
to
change
that
you
have
to
change
the
structure
of
the
fund.
A
The
other
way
to
do
it
is
through
an
annual
budgetary
process
where
the
council
decides
that
there's
xml
revenue
from
parking
meters
we're
going
to
apply
that
revenue
to
these
projects
or
this
area,
so
the
ability
to
set
up
some
type
of
loan
or
fund
where
it
is
set
and
not
changed
annually.
I
think
where
the
questions
have
been
going
and
so
we'll
look
into
that
mechanism
possible.
A
I
also
want
to
point
out
that
absolutely
looking
at
financing
versus
paying
for
it
from
another
source,
a
lot
of
staff
will
look
into,
and
the
seven
percent
rate
is
the
rate
that
was
in
the
quote,
not
to
say
that
we
can't
even
obtain
a
lower
rate,
either
through
renegotiation
or
using
a
different
finance
mechanism
if
we
decided
to
finance
versus
purchase
outright
but
obtain
a
lower
percentage,
so
know
that
we
will
look
into
that,
but
I
think
at
a
higher
level,
when
we
look
at
the
revenue
versus
expenditure,
I
just
want
to
point
out
the
council.
A
I
know
gene
one
did
a
great
job
presenting
it,
but
the
program
is
financiable
or
and
is
a
net
positive.
When
you
just
look
at
the
current
citation
revenue
that
the
city
receives
and
what
the
new
cost
will
be
right,
there's
there,
the
the
revenue
exceeds
the
expenditures.
A
The
revenue
that
is
currently
not
programmed
or
forecasted
is
the
new
parking
meter
revenue,
and
so
that
will
be
done
once
we
establish
draft
rates.
A
In
order
for
this
program
to
be
a
net
neutral,
we'll
at
least
have
to
replace
that
parking
citation
revenue.
We
think
it
will
certainly
based
on
the
number
of
parking
meters
and
the
revenue
that
other
cities
obtain
from
parking
programs.
But
I
just
wanted
to
note
that-
and
I
hope
that
that's
clear-
that
that
revenue
from
existing
parking
citations
is
already
in
our
budget,
and
so
we
just
can't
simply
use
that
because
then
we'll
have
a
hole
in
our
budget.
A
So
it's
this
new
revenue
that
we
need
to
project
out
once
we
have
the
rates
and
take
a
holistic
look
at
the
program.
But
the
assumption
is
that
it
will
be
a
net
positive
gain.
A
The
city
manager
and
then
we're
going
to
go
to
councilman
balzar
when
we
said
the
dollar
amount
that
was
quoted
as
far
as
citation
revenue.
That
is
not
downtown,
that
is
the
entire
city
of
san
bernardino.
That
is
existing
citation
revenue.
Yes,
thank
you,
councilmember,
salazar.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
and
city
manager.
I'm
glad
you
brought
up
that
last
point,
because
that
was
really.
A
My
big
question
is
that
you
know
we're
looking
at
a
sort
of
a
wash
in
the
cost
versus
our
existing
revenue,
but
that
will
leave
a
hole
if
we
allocate
it.
If
we
take
those
dollars
that
are
already
programmed
into
the
pd's
operations,
hand
them
over
to
an
outside
party,
it
will
leave
a
gap,
so
we
would
have
to
anticipate
that
there'd
be
some
additional
revenue
to
put
that
back
or
there
would
have
to
be
staff
reductions
on
pd
side
for
some
of
those
functions
that
were
given
away.
A
It's
not
it's
not
free
money
and
just
from
everything
I've
heard
I
mean
parking
parking
meters
are
not
money
makers
for
most
cities
so
well.
I
do
hope
that
you
know
there
is
some
net
benefit
that
comes
to
this.
I
you
know
I'd
be
very
cautious
about.
A
You
know
how
those
estimates
are
going
to
come
out
and
then,
of
course,
they're
going
to
be
ongoing
costs,
because
you
know
it's
not
just
one-time
equipment
you're
talking
about
electronics,
they
do
have
a
limited
life
cycle
and
they
will
have
to
be
replaced
eventually.
So
it's
an
ongoing
program
that
has
to
be
maintained
over
time.
So
you
know,
I
know
that
all
those
things
will
come
out
in
further
analysis,
but
I
do
appreciate
the
the
report
was
very
good.
A
Very
detailed
report
covered
a
lot
of
different
aspects
that
we've
considered
along
the
way,
so
I
definitely
appreciate
all
the
work
that
went
into
that.
Oh
and
finally,
the
one.
The
other
thing
was
the
the
capital
expenditures.
In
the
past,
we
had
talked
about
using
some
dollars
that
were
allocated
as
part
of
a
an
agreement
with
a
facility
that
was
set
up
on
the
north
end
of
town
to
offset
the
impact
of
trucks
rolling
into
that
neighborhood.
A
And
I
think
I've
expressed
this
to
the
city
manager
before,
but
I
don't
feel
it's
appropriate
to
take
those
dollars
away
from
what
they
were
intended
to
do
until
we
actually
addressed
the
issues
in
that
neighborhood.
And
I
know
that
we
do
need
startup
capital
for
this
program.
But
I
don't
think
that
those
dollars
should
be
programmed
for
this
purpose.
B
Have
your
hand
up
just
briefly,
mr
mayor.
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
add
we're
having
this
conversation
about
the
fiscal
impact
here
that
obviously,
we've
identified
there's
a
lot
of
additional
analysis
needed
to
really
get
a
full
picture
to
council,
but
we
haven't
mentioned
that
in
all
of
the
cities
that
have
implemented
similar
solutions.
The
other
revenue
we
can
expect
is
that
that
site
revenue
should
increase
significantly,
at
least
in
the
short
term.
A
Thank
you,
and
before
we
go
to
the
vice
mayor
city
manager,
how
does
that
up?
Yeah
the
chiefs?
Almost
everything
I
was
gonna
say,
but
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
yeah.
We
do
expect
this
to
be
a
net
positive
revenue
program
once
all
of
the
revenues
are
factored
in.
We
just
didn't
provide
that
at
this
juncture,
because
we
didn't
want
to
have
a
revenue
portrait
that
assumed
parking
rates
without
having
more
community
engagement
and
discussion
about
what
those
rates
will
be.
A
Hi,
thank
you.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
when
we
talk
about
alpr.
Is
that
the
same
alpr
that
we've
heard
about
that
are
the
cameras
that
have
been
put
up
throughout
the
city.
B
So
it's
a
different
system.
The
last
parking
provided
quotes
from
two
different
companies.
One
was
vigilant
and
one
was
genentech,
so
both
companies
provide
license
plate
readers.
These
are
gonna,
be
vehicle
based.
B
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
So
how
is
the
procurement
going
to
be
different
for
the
two
companies?
The
way
that
al
pr,
I
guess,
alpr
cameras
were
procured
for
the
company
that
we
have
now
versus
the
one
that
we're
looking
at.
B
I
I
can
probably
answer
that,
mr
mayor,
so
there
really
are
two
completely
different
systems.
The
flock
system
are
stationary,
automated
license
plate
readers
designated
specifically
to
collect
data
and
compile
that
data
over
30
day
periods
of
time
for
the
purpose
of
investigative
leads.
These
license
plate.
Readers
are
mobile,
mounted
on
vehicles
and
used
as
lieutenant
wong
said
within
a
closed
system.
B
It
doesn't
run
the
place
through
the
stolen
vehicle
system
or
through
a
hot
plate
system
or
through
the
state
systems
that
the
flock
system
does.
So
it's
really
two
very
different
purposes,
and
so
the
procurement
is
also
very
different
in
this
case.
They'll
handle
the
installation
on
their
vehicles,
but
we
will
own
the
equipment
when
the
lease
is
over.
A
Okay,
so
then
what
would
be
the
pro?
What
was
the
process
for
the
other
ones
and
what's
the
process
for
this
one,
because
I
think
they
both
probably
surpassed
the
threshold
requiring
a
bid,
but
that's
an
assumption,
I'm
making.
So
if
I'm
wrong,
let
me
know,
but
I'm
curious
to
know
what
the
competitive
bidding
process
was
and
is
and
how
they're
going
to
be
different.
A
So
the
attorney
I
see,
I
see
it's
come
online
so
for
right
now,
we'll
turn
it
over
to
the
city
attorney
and
other
staff.
Members
want
to
jump
in
please
for
free
sure,
sorry,
sorry
to
jump
in.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
everyone's
on
the
same
page.
So
the
the
process
of
purchasing
equipment
is
not
a
process
that
requires
a
state
required
competitive
bidding
process
like
public
contracts,
for
example.
A
Building
you
know
a
new
building
or
doing
construction
activities,
so
those
contracts
are
covered
instead
by
the
city's
purchasing
policy,
which
is
you
know,
I
mentioned
briefly
before
lists
requests
for
proposals
as
a
best
practice,
but
is
not
required.
So
there's
no
state
law
process
that
is
required
to
cure
the
the
contract
for
the
license
plate
reader.
It's
not
a
public
works
project,
and
so
the
city
can
use
a
variety
of
methods
to
procure
that
contract
and
we'll
be
looking
in
to
make
sure
that
it's
done
properly.
A
As
far
as
the
dollar
threshold
there's
no
dollar
threshold
involved
in
the
procurement
process.
The
dollar
threshold
relates
only
to
the
city
manager's
authority
to
sign
contracts
for
a
certain
amount
and
then
which
contracts
of
that
have
to
go
to
the
city
council.
So
that's
not
related
to
the
procurement
directly
related
to
the
procurement
process
and
what?
What
is
that
threshold
75
000
for
the
city
manager,
so
that
this
would
be
over
that
based
on
the
slides?
A
So
the
the
dollar
threshold
is
not
necessarily
related
to
that
and
then
vice
mayor
I'd
like
to
bring
in
the
city
manager
to
add
to
that
if
possible.
Thank
you.
A
I
do
want
to
ask
the
city
attorney
to
articulate
a
little
bit
about
the
national
purchase,
purchasing
cooperative
alliance,
and
that
was
in
gene
wong's
presentation,
but
I
know
we've
had
conversations
with
council
before
about
using
purchasing
cooperatives
or
piggybacking
off
other
public
processes
for
contracting,
which
is
totally
valid
and
appropriate,
and
it
is
an
allowance
to
not
have
to
do
a
city
rfp
process
when
you
piggyback
off
those
other
processes,
and
so
this
last
parking
is
a
part
of
that
national
cooperative
purchasing
alliance,
so
I'll
turn
it
over
to
the
city
attorney.
A
A
Okay,
thank
you,
and
these
are.
These-
are
all
under
the
cooperative
purchasing
right
there
will
they
all
fall
under
that
eventually
or
once
we
identify
and
cement
the
companies
that
are
going
to
be
used.
It
sounds
like
the
companies
are
already
known
based
on
this
show.
We
just
saw
yeah
so
I'll,
respond
to
that
through
the
mayor,
so
lab
parking
is
certainly
a
part
of
the
national
cooperative
purchasing
alliance.
A
Turbo
data
is
a
system
that
we
use
currently
within
the
police
department,
and
so
my
understanding
is
this
will
just
be
extending
our
use
of
a
system
that
we
currently
use
and
so
that
specific
contracting
process.
A
Let's
call
that
a
pde,
because
I
don't
want
to
speak
about
detailed
knowledge
of
that
and
then,
if
I
flip
to
the
other
portion,
yeah,
there's
turbo
data
last
parking
and
last
sparking
last
parking
for
the
service
and
collection
of
the
revenue,
essentially
the
maintenance
of
the
pay
stations
and
then
the
larger
amounts,
the
45
dollars,
the
45
thousand
dollars
per
month
for
the
parking
management
services.
A
So
I'll
probably
follow
up
and
I've
brought
up
a
concern
around
purchasing,
that's
been
kind
of
an
ongoing
one
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
policy
in
place,
and
so
it
ties
into
every
department
at
the
agency.
So
I
can
talk
more
with
the
city
manager
offline,
but
I
do
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
giving
different
companies
an
opportunity,
especially
into
this
area
that
you
know,
may
be
a
growing
area.
A
I
don't
know
enough
about
it,
but
I
just
want
to
ensure
that
we're
looking
at
all
of
our
options
and
getting
the
best
price
for
the
for
the
services
and
goods
that
we're
getting.
I
also
just
wanted
to
be
to
clarify.
Are
you
also
asking
us
to
provide
input
on
preferred
hours?
I
think
you,
it
was
a
one
of
the
last
slides
was
requesting
direction
for
parking
max
and
cost,
and
I
wasn't
sure
if
you
wanted
a
response
to
that.
Lieutenant.
B
B
Their
initial
concern
was:
they
want
to
be
able
to
park
there
while
they're
at
work
limits,
but
I
think
this
parking
permit
program
would
allow
them
to
do
that.
So
the
question
is:
what
is
the
direction
for
the
city
lost
themselves
for
time
parking
for
the
short
term
short-term
parkers,
which
is
like
the
customers
or
shoppers?
A
How
long
they
want
to
stay
in
that
downtown
area?
Okay,
I
I
would
recommend
the
mixture
on
the
san
mateo
avenue
and
the
lots
being
a
little
bit
longer
from
for
me.
Other
council
members
may
have
different
thoughts,
but
I
think
I
would
keep
traffic
moving
on
san
mateo
avenue
and
then
allow
those
who
want
to
stay
longer
to
get
there
maybe
earlier
or
just
wait
and
look
for
parking.
A
B
I
was
just
going
to
say
to
answer
kind
of
your
question
vice
mayor
about
what
we'll
be
looking
for
in
terms
of
direction.
B
Hopefully,
in
april,
we
would
plan
to
bring
forth
a
map,
a
detailed
map
of
the
area
after
doing
more
consulting
with
laz.
That
would
specify
what
their
recommendations
are
for
what
the
different
rates
should
be
in
the
different
zones
based
on
proximity
to
the
busier
areas,
and
what
it
won't
have
is
your
knowledge
of
the
city
and
input.
So
what
we'll
be
looking
for
in
april
at
that
point
is
to
bring
that
map
forward
to
get
input
from
council
about.
B
A
Through
this
new
program,
we
can
actually
adjust
that
where
we
don't
have
certain
areas
that
are
predesignated
for
longer
term
parking
but
permits
that
are
provided
for
longer
term
parking,
so,
for
example,
during
the
normal
business
day
in
downtown,
any
individual
would
be
subject
to
the
time
party.
Let's
say
that's
two
hours,
but
in
order
to
receive
a
five
or
ten
hour
permit,
you
would
have
to
have
a
permit,
and
so
maybe
we
do
ten
hour
permits
for
employee
employees
and
business
owners
downtown.
A
But
in
order
to
get
that
access,
you
would
have
to
pre-register
through
the
city
to
open
up
that
window
for
a
10-hour
event
and
then
in
the
evening,
potentially
some
lots
or
all
lots
with
their
analysis.
We
can
determine
okay
well,
these
lots
will
be
available
for
overnight
or
evening
and
in
morning
parking
or
residence
and
that's
a
different
permit.
A
Okay,
I'll
just
say,
based
on
my
other,
my
other
worlds.
We
there
are
parking
permits
that
are
sold
as
you're,
suggesting
in
this
case
to
private
businesses,
and
that
in
that
case,
would
be
different
departments.
But
I
would
just
recommend
that
that
everybody
be
clear
that
those
permits
do
not
qualify
within
the
yellow
zone
within
the
green
zone
and
that
the
that
the
you
know
whatever
tickets
you
get.
You
still
have
to
pay
for.
A
But
two
it's
like
an
extra
box
that
would
be
checked
off
when
they're
paying
for
their
their
business
their
annual
business
license,
and
then
they
also
suggested
maybe
within
that
folding
in,
and
that
this
would
be
different
because
you'd
actually
including
a
whole
different
entity.
But
the
chamber
of
commerce
membership
potentially
in
that.
A
I
would
definitely
support,
though
the
annual
business
license
being
included
with
this
parking
permit
opportunity,
because
they
could
just
pay
both
at
once
and
they
have
to
have
their
business
license
or
if
they
think
they
don't
have
to
have
the
business
license,
they're
going
to
want
their
parking
permit.
So
just
a
suggestion.
A
Thank
you
for
all
the
work
that's
been
done
on
this.
I
look
forward
to
seeing
this
evolve
and
progress
into
the
reality.
Thank
you.
Medina.
A
Yes,
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
on
on
the
next
step
and
making
sure
that
we
do
reach
out
to
the
business
owners.
I
believe
there
was
one
meeting
and
that
was
during
covid,
so
as
kobit
kind
of
hopefully
continues
to
ease
away
that
we
have
a
community
meeting,
because
there
are
so
many
variables
here,
depending
which
parking
lot
when
they're
being
used
and
then
the
whole
residential
portion
of
it,
and
where
are
the
parking
meters
going
to
be
on
the
residential
areas?
A
Long
masters
is
not
something
that
I
don't
recall
and
perhaps
the
residents
aren't
aware
of
it.
I
think
you'd
be
a
little
surprised
in
front
of
your
house
that
there's
now
a
parking
meter,
so
I
think
we
should
be
cognizant
of
that
and
make
sure
that
we
do
have
a
couple
meetings
to
make
sure
that
our
residents
and
our
business
owners
are
really
aware
of.
What's
going
on
here.
Thank
you.
A
Is
there
anything
else
from
colleagues
on
this
topic?
Okay,
very
quick!
I
I
was
in
the
city
yesterday
at
an
event
and
used
their
marketing
so
and
obviously
it's
a
coin.
The
credit
card
very
simplistic,
no
paper,
also
speaking
to
the
city
manager
of
south
san
francisco.
A
At
the
event
you
know
they
do
have
it,
so
it
is
set
up
for
the
businesses.
So
again,
one
of
the
complaints.
I
know
we
do
get
from
ours,
businesses
I
have
to
have
depending
on
where
my
employee,
but
the
employee
part,
they
have
to
go,
move
their
car
so
often
and
that
becomes
challenging
or,
if
they're,
the
only
one
in
the
establishment
at
the
time.
A
What
are
we
supposed
to
do
close
the
door,
the
assistant,
the
city
manager
of
south
city,
south
san
francisco,
had
indicated
that
even
on
their
parking
structure,
you
can
rent
a
spot
and
the
rate
was
actually
very
good
as
far
as
what
the
monthly
rate
would
be.
Thinking
about
what
other
places
may
mean
guard,
so
I
think
there's
a
combination
of
things
that
that
might
be
able
to
work,
but
I
think
it
was
very
mindful
of
the
point
about
the
money.
A
A
For
work
that
is
being
done
currently
and
needs
to
continue
so
with
that
I
know
we
spent
some
time
on
this.
So
is
there
anything
else,
lieutenant
chief
or
city
manager
on
this
topic.
A
Welcome
council
for
the
feedback
and
we
will
proceed
and
return
with
the
city
council
with
the
other
components
of
the
program
as
well
as
undertake
additional
community
and
business
engagement.
Thank
you.
Moving
on
to
item
b
waive
the
first
reading
and
introduce
I'm
sorry,
I'm
sorry,
I
don't
know
if
we
have
any
public,
but
we
don't
need
to
look
for
public
comment.
A
I
have
checked
and
but
it
never
hurts
to
say
it
so
that
it's
clear
that
it
was
done.
So
I
appreciate
it.
I
think
that
there's
any
thinking
if
there's
any
public
comment
on
this
topic
topic
a
seeing
none.
I
recognize
the
names,
but
I
think
there
was
on
the
pd
item
b
waived
the
first
reading
and
introduced
evidence.
Chapter
2.52
regarding
police
department,
acquisition
and
use
of
military
equipment,
approved
military
equipment
use
policy.
A
We're
going
to
go
over
to
the
for
this
one
and
again
this
is
a
action
item,
a
requirement
that
the
state,
I
believe
it's
the
state
chief,
will
correct
me
anyway.
It's
a
requirement
that
we
have
to
do
so.
The
chief
is
bringing
it
forward
and
something
else
that
has
been
required
of
the
cities
to
do,
and
here
we
are.
B
B
Okay,
mr
mayor,
able
to
give
me
a
thumbs
up,
you
can
see
my
screen
very
good.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much,
sir.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
members,
for
council
for
accommodating
us
in
this
meeting.
That
is
exclusively
for
police
department
related
items.
I
know
that
your
meeting
schedule
has
been
rigorous
will
continue
to
be,
but
I
really
do
appreciate
you
giving
us
some
time
to
get
these
very
necessary
items
in
front
of
you.
B
Unfortunately,
I'm
going
to
report
to
you
now
or
on
to
you
now
is
not
nearly
as
exciting
as
the
idea
of
finally
solving
so
many
of
our
parking
problems
have
been
long-standing
downtown,
but
it
is
nonetheless
very
necessary.
It's
going
to
be
somewhat
dry,
so
I
will
attempt
to
get
through
it
relatively
quickly
and
get
really
to
your
questions,
which
is
probably
the
most
important
component,
but
I
am
here
to
report
on
the
military
equipment,
use
finance
and
a
military
equipment
use
policy.
B
The
agenda
I'll
touch
on
the
background
where
this
is
all
coming
from,
and
why
you're
listening
to
me
talk
about
it
this
evening
as
well
as
talk
a
little
bit,
have
some
discussion
about
the
proposed
ordinance
that
is
required
by
law,
as
well
as
a
discussion
of
the
proposed
military
equipment
use
policy
itself
that
the
police
department
has
drafted.
B
So
the
background
here
that
california
assembly
bill
481,
which
I'll
refer
to
here,
is
ab-481
passed,
which
requires
a
governing
body
approval
prior
to
taking
certain
actions
regarding
the
funding,
the
acquisition
or
the
use
of
military
equipment,
as
defined
by
the
code.
This
is
to
be
accomplished
for
the
adoption
of
a
military
equipment
use
policy
by
ordinance,
which
is
why
we're
here
to
speak
about
the
ordinance
and
the
use
policy
this
evening.
B
This
is
not
necessarily
a
real
hard
fast
deadline,
because
the
code
says
somewhat
ambiguously
that
we
have
to
commence
this
process
no
later
than
the
first
2022,
but
then
it
ties
some
other
timelines
to
the
back
of
it,
which
is
why
I'm
trying
to
get
to
you
well
ahead
of
time
here
on
march
1st,
in
an
effort
to
make
sure
that
we
comply
with
all
the
laws
that
are
still
a
little
bit
unclear
and
undefined.
At
this
stage.
B
It's
important
to
note
here
that
ab41
originated
based
on
what
we
in
law
enforcement
refer
to
the
1033
program.
The
1033
program
was
essentially
a
means
by
which
local
law
enforcement
agencies
could
acquire
surplus
military
equipment
from
the
united
states
military
through
a
grant
program.
So
you
could
request
military
equipment,
that's
no
longer
being
utilized
by
the
marines,
the
army,
the
navy,
the
air
force
to
assume
into
local
use
and
the
goal
there
obviously
was
to
say:
look
there
is
all
this
equipment
sitting
there
with
the
military
that
probably
could
be
used.
B
Municipalities
and
it
could
save
you
a
lot
of
money
to
apply
to
get
it
for
free
through
a
grant.
Obviously
this
raised
some
some
red
lags
where
people
were
concerned.
Communities
concerned
politicians
concerned
about
acquiring
equipment
from
the
military,
and
I
certainly
could
understand
that
concern.
I
wanted
to
come
right
outside
and
tell
you
that
we
do
not
at
san
bernardino
police
department
because
of
any
equipment
ever
obtained
through
the
1033
program.
B
So
now
a
discussion
of
the
proposed
ordinance
in
front
of
you,
this
chapter
2.52
the
munich
code.
These
are
the
different
sections
that
I'll
be
going
over
in
the
subsequent
slides,
the
first
being
the
name
of
the
ordinance,
not
probably
a
lot
for
discussion
here.
Staff
has
recommended
a
name
that
is
consistent
with
the
verbiage
of
ab-481
and
the
subsequent
california
government
codes.
Just
to
ensure
that
it's
very
clear
that
this
ordinance
specifically
pertains
to
av-481
and
the
various
government
codes,
the
next
section
section
being
definitions.
B
The
key
ones
that,
I
think
are
of
note
here
are
again
that
they
do
define
military
equipment
quite
clearly
as
falling
within
the
16.
It's
actually
15,
with
sort
of
one
catch
all
at
the
end,
types
of
equipment
that
qualify
as
well
as
defining
a
military
equipment,
use
policy
and
telling
us
as
a
law
enforcement
agency.
What
it
is
we
have
to
put
before
you
in
terms
of
that
policy
document
and
then
also
establishing
what
exactly
needs
to
be
included
in
that
annual
military
equipment
report
that
you'll
be
receiving
every
year.
B
The
next
section
covers
the
military
equipment
use
policy
requirement.
This
again
is
taken
directly
from
the
government
commission,
this
time,
7071.
B
The
next
section
is
a
very
important
one
for
safety
in
our
community.
This
I'm
calling
the
use
and
exigent
circumstances
session.
This
is
very
critical
to
both
public
and
officer
safety
in
our
community,
because,
quite
frankly,
we
just
operate
in
a
world
where
we
can't
foresee
all
possible
circumstances
and
needs.
B
B
The
next
section
is
reports
on
the
use
of
military
equipment
again
taken
directly
from
government
code,
this
time
70-72.
This
is
the
annual
report
we're
required
to
deliver
to
you.
I
think,
what's
really
important
about
this
section
is
we've
mirrored
the
language
about
exactly
what
we
must
report
to
you
in
this
annual
delivery,
and
it
also
establishes
some
specific
public
notice
and
transparency
components
that
are
really
important
to
ensure
codified
for
the
accountability
piece
and,
finally,
a
simple
severability
clause
that
I
think
is
relatively
standard
to
previous
ordinances
chapters.
B
That
council
has
taken
a
look
at
so
now
moving
kind
of
to
the
meat
and
potatoes
of
this
thing,
which
is
a
discussion
of
the
proposed
military
equipment
use
policy.
The
police
department
is
not
requesting
approval
to
purchase
or
acquire
any
new
military
equipment,
as
defined
in
this
code.
However,
in
accordance
with
the
law,
what
we
are
requesting
is
approval
to
continue
using
equipment
that
we
already
possess
and
utilize,
which
has
now
been
classified
in
military
equipment.
B
Under
these
codes,
california
government
code,
70s
section
70
70d,
like
david,
establishes
what
a
military
equipment
use
policy
is.
It
means
a
publicly
released
written
document
governing
the
use
of
military
equipment
by
a
law
enforcement
agency
or
a
state
agency
that
addresses
at
a
minimum
all
of
the
following,
and
the
next
couple
slides
are
going
to
delineate
for
you
what
is
supposed
to
be
in
the
military
equipment
use
policy
that
is
before
council
this
meeting.
B
First,
it
must
include
a
description
of
each
type
of
military
equipment.
The
quantity
sought
its
capabilities.
Its
expected
life
span
the
product
description
from
a
manufacturer
wherever
possible
and
of
the
military
equipment
wherever
possible.
My
apologies
has
to
include
the
purposes
and
authorized
uses
for
which
the
law
enforcement
agency
or
the
state
agency
proposes
to
use
each
type
of
military
equipment.
The
fiscal
impact
of
that
equipment,
including
not
only
the
initial
cost,
but
the
costs
of
annual
maintenance
on
a
regular
basis.
B
Finally,
california
government
code,
section
7071
b,
requires
that
we
post
the
proposed
military
equipment
use
policy
to
our
public
website,
at
least
30
days
prior
to
any
public
meeting,
considering
it.
This
was
accomplished
prior
to
today's
meeting
by
posting.
The
proposed
military
equipment
use
policy
to
the
police
department's
website
on
january
26th,
so
it
has
been
up
in
excess
of
the
30
days
required.
B
Three
that,
if
we're
purchasing
the
equipment
which
again,
we
are
not
requesting
to
do
in
this
particular
case,
that
it
is
reasonably
cost
effective
compared
to
available
alternatives
and
for
the
private
prior
military
equipment
use
complied
with
the
military
equipment
use
policy
that
was
in
effect
at
the
time.
So
this
really
applies
to
subsequent
years.
B
What
will
be
coming
before
you
with
this
annual
report
and
part
of
what
you
should
consider
and
whether
or
not
to
continue
with
the
same
policy
or
amend
it
or
request
any
other
revisions
from
staff
is
whether
or
not
we
have
complied
with
your
directions?
To
that
point,
and
that's
gets
reported
in
this
annual
military
equipment
news
report
again,
we
have
to
have
this
at
the
avenues
through
which
members
of
the
public
can
register
their
complaints
or
concerns
submit
questions.
I
put
them
here
in
this
slide
just
so
that
you
can
see
that
they're.
B
Also,
this
is
in
the
military.
Military
military
equipment
use
policy
itself,
but
to
be
clear,
we
have
provided
not
only
an
email
address,
a
phone
number,
but
also
an
ability
for
them
to
send
physical
mail
and
have
their
questions
answered
in
a
timely
fashion.
This
email
address
forwards
directly
to
command
staff
responsible
for
oversight
of
the
military
equipment,
use
policies,
so
they
will
be
responded
to
promptly.
B
So,
let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
qualifying
equipment
that
is
possessed
by
your
police
department.
Again,
the
government
could
provide
a
list
of
16
types
of
equipment
that
they
that
qualifies
as
military
equipment
for
the
purposes
of
the
law,
and
we
pass
equipment
in
four
of
these
type
groups
or
categories.
B
Each
of
these
equipment
types
are
specifically
listed
in
the
military
equipment
use
policy,
and
each
entry
includes
all
five
information
elements
required
by
law,
as
previously
referred
a
couple
slides
ago,
but
I'll
go
through
them
briefly
here
just
for
sake
of
the
conversation,
and
so
that
we
can
potential
questions
from
council,
we
do
possess
unmanned,
remotely
piloted
aerial
vehicles.
We
have
three
unmanned
aircraft
systems
or
drones.
B
B
It's
a
little
bit
interesting
to
me
that
this
is
included
in
military
equipment
because
it
specifies
that
it's
capable
of
managing
operations
or
directing
resources
in
an
emergency
that
it
should
be
reported
here,
which
is
why
I'm
reporting
it
to
you.
However,
this
is
not
tactical
equipment
in
any
way,
shape
or
form.
Our
vehicle
is
not
armored
or
weaponized
in
any
way.
It's
not
used
for
troop
transport
or
anything
along
those
lines.
It
is
simply
used
to
facilitate
more
to
facilitate,
more
competent
command,
unified
command
during
critical
and
planned
incidents.
B
Again,
our
argument
for
possessing
this
is
that
there
is
no
reasonable
alternative
that
can
achieve
the
same
objective,
as
was
evidenced
in
the
youtube
active
shoot
incident.
That
was
the
impetus
for
the
purchase
of
this
vehicle.
In
the
first
place,
we
do
possess
what
are
classified
as
specialized
firearms.
We
possess
53,
semi-automatic
rifles
now.
These
are
standard
issue
duty
weapons,
meaning
we
issue
one
to
every
police
officer,
just
like
we
do
the
handgun
that's
on
their
belt
and
as
such,
they
are
actually
exempted
from
inclusion
in
the
policy
that
I'm
putting
before
council
today.
B
However,
in
the
interest
of
full
transparency,
and
due
to
the
fact
that
there
may
be
a
little
bit
of
a
lack
of
clarity
in
this
law
due
to
its
newness
and
the
fact
that
it
hasn't
been
litigated
at
any
level,
yet
I
am
including
this
here
just
so
that
it
is
fully
in
front
of
you
council.
You
recently
authorized
this
purchase,
so
I
know
that
you
are
aware
of
these
rifles,
but
we
do
possess
some
and
I
am
reporting
them
here.
B
You
can
read
here
how
it's
generally
used,
but
essentially
this
comes
directly
from
policy.
If
an
officer
reasonably
anticipates
an
armed
encounter,
if
they're
faced
with
a
situation
that
may
require
accurate
and
effective
fire
at
long
range
or
they
reasonably
expect
the
need
to
meet
or
exceed
a
suspect's
firepower,
if
they
can
make
the
decision
to
remove
the
rifle
from
its
mount
and
deploy
it
again,.
B
No
reasonable
alternative
that
can
achieve
the
same
objective
of
officer
and
civilian
safety
as
these
rifles
and
finally,
we
possess
40
millimeter
less
lethal
launchers.
These
are
this
is
also
something
campbell's,
probably
aware
of
because
it
was
approved
in
this
past,
the
previous
year's
budget,
that
we
possess
16,
less
lethal,
projectile
launchers.
These
are
capable
of
launching
rubber
and
foam
projectiles,
they're
generally
used
as
an
alternative
to
lethal
force
to
protect
life
and
apprehend
suspects.
B
So
this
is
a
very
important
component
in
our
use
of
force
matrix
and
the
fact
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that,
when
we're
encountering
the
many
complex
situations
we
encounter
in
law
enforcement,
we
have
a
whole
litany
of
force
options
so
that
we'll
have
officers
you
know
deferring
to
a
more
extreme
level
of
force,
simply
because
the
lower
level
options
weren't
available
to
them.
B
The
40
millimeter,
less
lethal
could
be
thought
of
as
a
taser
that
just
has
a
much
longer
range,
slightly
different
operating
mechanism
of
gaining
compliance,
but
allows
us
to
deal
with
a
high
level
of
resistance
from
much
farther
distance,
and
that
is
an
alternative
or
a
objective
that
cannot
be
achieved
through
some
other
alternative
that
we
are
presently
aware
of,
and
finally
talking
briefly
about
qualified
equipment
possessed
by
ncr's
law.
So
it's
somewhat
important
to
understand
that
what
council
is
actually
approving
is
the
authorized
authorized
use
of
military
equipment
within
your
jurisdiction
within
the
city?
B
That
means
that
it
doesn't
matter
if
it's
the
san
bruno
police
department,
using
military
equipment
or
some
other
law
enforcement
entity,
they
need
to
act
in
accordance
with
the
policy
that
that
you
approve
of-
and
I
think
that
this
is
important,
because
we
know
from
many
incidents
here
in
san
bruno
that
mutual
aid
is
fact
arriving
and
very
much
something
we
rely
on
with
a
department.
That's
staffed.
The
way
we
are
and
the
types
of
problems
that
we
encounter
classic
examples
obviously
are
the
glenview
pipeline
explosion.
B
We
have
a
lot
of
outside
agencies
coming
in
to
help
us
and
the
fact
is
that
it
would
be
almost
impossible
for
me
to
put
before
you
a
list
of
all
the
equipment
possessed
by
all
of
the
entities
that
might
respond
to
an
incident
here
in
san
bruno
because
we're
in
the
middle
of
urban
sprawl,
where,
for
example,
if
youtube
active,
shooter
incident,
the
fbi
was
on
scene
in
a
matter
of
minutes
going
from
san
francisco,
and
so
it's
virtually
impossible
to
report
all
the
things
that
could
ever
potentially
be
used
here.
But
ncr
swot.
B
I
felt
was
something
important
to
report
to
you
and
to
be
fully
forthcoming
about
because
we
participate
in
the
north
county
regional
team,
and
this
is
the
entity
we
are
most
likely
to
rely
on
in
those
incidents
all
the
time.
So
there
might
be
other
variables,
but
ncr
swot
is
going
to
be
here
for
those
types
of
incidents
again,
they're
generally
only
employed
in
extreme
circumstances.
B
Such
as
active
shooter
hostage
situations,
the
execution
of
high-risk
search
and
arrest
warrants,
but
they
are
here
and
we
participate
in
the
team
and
so
in
the
use
policy
before
you,
I've
included
the
equipment
that
they
pass
and
use.
It's
important
to
note
that
that
equipment
is
not
purchased
by
us.
It's
not
owned
by
us.
It's
not
maintained
by
us,
and
so
we
only
have
a
certain
amount
of
control
over
kind
of
what
gets
done
with
it
in
the
long
haul.
B
So
the
following
is
a
list
of
the
types
of
qualifying
equipment
possessed
by
ncr
swot,
which
are
not
also
possessed
by
san
bernardino,
pde,
meaning
that
you've
already
seen
it
on
the
other
end
of
this
use
policy
through
the
equipment
we
possess.
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
as
much
detail
on
these
types
in
this
presentation,
as
I
did
with
the
san
bruno
equipment,
but
it
is
all
there.
The
same
exact
five
points
of
data
on
every
piece
of
equipment
in
military
equipment
use
policy
for
your
review.
B
B
They
possess
high
mobility,
multi-purpose
wheeled
vehicles,
common
revert
commonly
referred
to
as
humvees
or
two
and
a
half
ton
trucks
that
are
that
have
breaching
or
entry
apparatus
attached.
These
are
the
large
vehicles,
have
the
ability
to
pull
down
security
doors
or
create
you
know,
high-level
challenging
breaches
when
normal
methodologies
of
getting
in
will
not
work.
B
B
B
They
also
use
the
40
millimeter
projectile
launchers,
but
I
listed
it
here
as
well,
because
they
do
also
possess
bean
bags,
which
the
police
department
doesn't
really
use
much
anymore,
and
some
specialty
impact
ammunition.
Weapons
happy,
of
course,
in
the
question
section,
by
the
way,
to
provide
further
elaboration
these
areas
with
an
interest
of
time
I'm
trying
to
get
through
the
equipment-
that's
not
mine
in
a
relatively
fast
fashion.
B
So
the
recommendation
staff
recommends
that
city
council
waive
the
first
reading
and
introduce
the
ordinance
chapter
252
regarding
the
police,
department,
acquisition
and
use
of
military
equipment
in
accordance
with
state
law.
This
is
just
simply
about
compliance
and
then
the
piece
that
is
also
about
compliance
but
certainly
merits
probable
conversation
here
is
approve
the
military
equipment
use
policy
by
motion
as
an
alternative,
you
could
certainly
request
additional
information
before
introducing
the
ordinance
and
or
adopting
the
policy.
A
B
It
would
be
difficult
for
me
to
answer,
but
it
has
been
a
lot
of
time
invested
most
of
it
invested
by
by
me
personally.
This
is
something
I
took
on
without
chiefs,
as
they
were
looking
for
some
leadership
to
kind
of
get
behind
this
and
figure
out
what
we
needed
to
do,
and
so
I've
been
very
involved
with
this
for
the
last
several
months,
and
much
of
the
rest
of
the
state
is
taking
direction
from
what
we've
put
together
to
help
put
our
own
ordinances
together.
A
Let's
see
if
there's
why
I'm
we're
going
to
go
to
the
vice
mayor
in
a
second
we'll,
also,
if
there's
anybody
there
from
the
public,
you
could
please
raise
your
hand
after
the
vice
mayor,
we're
going
to
go
see
if
there's
any
public
input
or
comments
vice
mayor
yeah,
I
was
just
gonna
ask
where
on
the
website,
is
it
because
I'm
I'm
just
looking
for
it?
I'm
not
sure
I'm
doing
it,
so
I
may
just
be
missing
it.
A
Yeah,
I
was
just
going
to
help
out
the
police
chief
because
I
was
able
to
find
it
so
I'll
share
screen,
so
it's
under
police
policies,
and
so
when
you
go
to
the
city's
main
home
page
navigate
to
so
this
comes
up
again
department,
police
policy.
So
it's
actually
just
one
click
away,
and
it's
right
here
under
police
policies
with
the
draft
policy
here.
A
So
in
what
I
do
know
about
this,
this
rule
the
intent
was
to
make
sure
that
we're
being
transparent
with
the
community
around
what
what's
you
know,
the
police
department
and
the
city
is
engaging
in,
and
so
what
I
would
say
is
that
I'm
kind
of
uncomfortable
with
the
fact
that
this
is
a
special
meeting
and
it's
being
held
as
a
special
meeting
at
6
30
on
a
tuesday
night,
and
I
don't
actually
think
it's
that
easy
to
find,
because
you
actually
have
to
know
what
you're
looking
for
on
the
website
to
get
there.
A
A
I
don't
remember
seeing
that
there's
an
announcement
for
a
30-day
notice
and
if
I
missed
it,
let
me
know,
but
I
I
would
support
this
if
the
next
iteration
is
an
action
item
as
opposed
to
a
consent
where
there's
a
presentation
provided
for
the
public
and
an
opportunity
for
public
comment,
but
otherwise
I
don't.
A
A
Council,
member
hamilton,
so
more
of
a
curiosity,
you,
you
alluded
to
this
chief
when
you
talked
about
the
the
command
vehicles
being
on
the
list,
which
was
odd,
having
drones
on
the
list
also.
B
A
Yeah,
so
that's
just
it
just
seems
it's
odd.
I
I
understand
the
the
the
intent
of
the
law
and
and
support
that
intent.
It
just
seems
like
there's.
There
was
a
lot
of
strange
additions
in
that
list
through
your
through
your
work
through
there.
Do
you
have
any
idea?
Why
those
why
those
things
were
added
to
that
list.
B
Again,
certainly
anecdotally,
I
can
say
that
again,
this
started
with
a
focus
on
the
1033
program.
That's
where
the
legislative
conversations
began
and
then
the
reality
is
that
that
notice,
the
requirement
for
appointment
was
in
your
1033
program
came
out
two
years
ago
and
the
reality
is
almost
no
police
departments,
certainly
in
the
bay
area,
are
acquiring
equipment
from
the
military
through
1033.
So
there
was
nothing
reported,
and
I
think
that
that
may
shine
a
little
bit
more
of
a
light
as
like.
Okay.
B
A
Seeing
no
other
hands
vice
mayor-
and
I
just
add
to
that
to
council
member
hamilton,
but
there
are
concerns
around
drones
and
privacy
rights
as
well,
and
that's
probably
one
of
the
reasons
it's
also
included
in
there.
B
A
A
Mr
salazar,
who
chair
I'll,
take
the
motion
to
waive
that
first
reading
check
it
salazar
medina
motion.
Second
and
roll
call:
please:
council,
member
hamilton,
hi,
council,
member
medina,
hi,
councilmember,
salazar,
all
right
vice
mayor
mason,.
A
I'm
sorry,
I
didn't
I'm
here
whether
we're
going
to
be
allowing
this
to
come
back
on
action
versus
consent.
This
is
just
a
way
of
the
reading.
This
is
just
the
way
of
the
reading.
It's
not
introducing
the
ordinance,
oh
to
not
have
to
read
it
out
loud.
Okay,
I,
yes,
I
mayor,
radina,
aye,
yes,
motion
carries
thank
you
now.
The
next
item
would
be
the
in
introducing
the
ordinance
you
know
making
a
motion
to
approve
the
military
use
policy.
However,
let's
go
to
the
vice
mayor's
question.
A
Oh,
so,
if
you're
I'm
coming
back
to
me,
if
this
can,
when
this
comes
up
to
ensure
that
it's
on
action
and
oil
for
discussion
and
public
comment
on
this
particular
item
and
not
on
consent,
I'm
just
waiting
for
the
step
city
manager
so
noted.
If
that
is
the
direction
of
council,
we
will
certainly
agendize
it
as
a
act
at
a
regular
meeting
for
action
and
have
a
similar
presentation,
as
the
one
you
received
here
tonight,
see
the
attorney
right.
A
Yes,
if
I
may
sorry
to
interrupt
just
so
we're
clear
so
assuming
that
there
is
a
motion
to
introduce
the
ordinance
tonight,
then
the
ordinance
would
be
introduced
and
then
at
the
next
regular
meeting,
it
would
be
scheduled
for
adoption
and
adoption
is
normally
scheduled
for
the
consent
calendar.
But
I'm
understanding
that
there's
a
desire
to
have
that
adoption
be
on
the
conduct
of
business
and
to
have
a
public
presentation.
Oh,
is
that
correct.
A
That's
what
the
vice
mayor
is
asking
and
but
the
city
manager
is
rightfully
so
said,
but
obviously
we
need
to
have
a
concurrence
or
a
majority.
A
Thank
you
both
councilmember
hamilton,
so
I
I
would,
I
would
concur,
I
mean,
obviously
I
don't
I
I
I
don't
want
to
happen
to
make
us
go
through
the
whole
presentation
again,
but
I
think
I
do
think
that
it's
important
considering
that
there's
no
but
there's
no
public
present,
and
you
know
that
also
suggests
that
if
there
hasn't
been,
you
know
social
media
outreach
pointing
people
to
that.
A
To
that
page,
where
the
where
the
policy
is
written,
that
we
do
that
and
I'd
be
happy
to
to
amplify
that
through
our
my
own
channels.
As
I'm
sure
my
colleagues
would
as
well
in
advance
of
that
meeting,
I
think
it
would
be.
I
think
that
would
just
I
think
that
would
be
good
practice
considering
what
the
purpose
of
this
whole
procedure
is
in
terms
of
of
being
transparent,
counselor
media.
A
I
concur,
I'm
I'm
fine
with
it
moving
forward
this
way
and
we're
having
a
lot
of
meetings,
and
I
think
people
are
kind
of
overloaded
with
attending
our
meetings.
We
don't
get
many
people
attending
in
zoom
and
maybe
when
we
return
back
into
first
and
maybe
we'll
get
more,
who
knows?
Thank
you.
The
city
manager
sure
we
will
utilize
social
media
channels
to
announce
the
mili.
The
draft
military
use
policy
I'll
just
want
to.
Let
council
know
that
I
think
we'll
likely
have
to
do
something
more
extended.
A
Just
because
a
military
use
policy
in
your
typical,
very
short
social
media
post,
may
give
the
implication
that
we're
buying
or
have
or
acquiring
new
typical
military
equipment,
and
so
this
presentation
provided
a
lot
of
context
around
what
we're
doing
and
why
it's
required
and
social
media
didn't
always
afford
that
ability,
and
so
I
think,
we'll
work
with
the
police
department
and
our
communications
folks
here
to
figure
out
an
appropriate
way
to
get
the
message
out.
But
it
may
not
just
be
a
quick
post.
B
A
You
for
that
clarity
and
very
valid
point.
Okay,
if
we
are
ready
to
continue
then
this
is,
we
would
need
a
motion
to
introduce
ordinance
which
would
be
approving
the
military
equipment
use
policy.
A
A
Please
make
a
motion
to
introduce
the
ordinance
chapter
2.52
regarding
police
department,
acquisition
and
use
of
military
equipment.
Thank
you
motion
and
second
hamilton
medina
roll
call.
Please
council,
member
hamilton,
aye
councilmember
medina
aye
council
member
salazar
aye
vice
mayor,
mason,
hi,
mayor
medina,
hi,
georgia.
A
A
A
A
Motion
carry
okay
motion
carries
for
one
thank
you
again,
chief
and
with
that
city.
I
think
that
meets.
That
means
there.
Okay,
let's
move
on
mr.
B
A
Yes,
mr
mcnamara,
it
would
be
four
zero
one
right
correct.
Yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that.
I
want
to
make
sure
correction
correction,
four,
zero
one.
Thank
you.
One
abstention
we're
going
to
move
it
on
diving.
We
obviously
are
coming
to
seven
o'clock,
but
let's
continue
on
this.
One
is
item
c,
receive
report
on
reducing
the
impact
of
drugs
on
families,
pilot
program,
chief
johansen.
B
Thank
you
very
much,
sir.
Once
again.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
merson,
council
again,
my
name
is
ryan
johansen,
the
chief
police,
and
this
presentation
is
on
reducing
the
impact
of
government
families.
What
I'm
calling
the
rid
of
pilot
program?
B
The
objective
here
is
to
provide
council
with
a
report
on
rid
of
pilot
program
to
let
you
know
where
it
came
from
and
where
we're
going
with
it
and
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish,
as
but
in
terms
of
an
agenda
I'll
give
a
brief
background
as
to
where
this
came
from
the
impetus
to
create
this
program
cover
the
key
components
of
the
pilot
program.
B
Give
you
a
timeline
on
what
we
were
hoping
to
meet
in
rolling
it
out
and
talk
a
little
bit
about
a
san
bernardino
community
foundation,
grant
award
and
then,
of
course,
take
your
questions
so
background
here
is
that
we
have
an
epidemic
level,
drug
problem
and
it's
hitting
right
here
at
home.
In
fact,
in
2021
there
were
more
deaths
in
san
francisco
from
drug
overdose
than
there
were
for
covet
19..
B
It's
estimated
that
10.1
million
people
per
year
misuse
opioids
alone
more
than
70
000
people
a
year
die
of
drug
overdose.
In
recent
years,
more
than
70
percent
of
those
have
been
specifically
from
opioids,
and
it's
right
here
in
san
bruno.
Over
the
past
two
years,
we've
seized
enough
fentanyl
to
kill
the
entire
population
of
san
bruno
three
times:
we've
administered
hundreds
of
emergency
naloxone
doses
and
we're
encountering
fentanyl
and
other
opioids
on
a
daily
basis
of
the
police
department.
B
B
B
B
With
drugs
and
to
be
quite
maybe
unfair
and
difficult
towards
the
groups
that
you
know
put
on,
dare
for
all
the
right
reasons
over
time,
it
just
kind
of
failed
to
keep
up
with
trends
and
to
remain
relevant
as
the
drug
landscape
changed
rapidly.
I
don't
think
that
they're
changed
as
fast
as
it
needed
to
additionally
similar
to
the
old
mothers
against
drunk
driving
approach.
It
really
was
a
fear-based
approach.
B
The
whole
theory
was
to
basically
tell
kids
if
you
use
drugs
you're
going
to
die,
and
hopefully
that
would
stop
them
from
using
drugs
and
while
that
obviously
can
often
be
true,
I
think
that
the
fear-based
approach,
often
in
that
age
group,
is
just
kind
of
lost.
They
don't
seem
like
real
world
consequences,
and
so
the
bottom
line
is
that
the
police
department
wants
to
help.
We
want
to
step
in
and
fill
some
of
that
void.
B
We
want
to
feel
that
we're
having
an
impact
in
the
community
on
this
drug
problem,
beyond
just
the
fact
that
we're
making
arrests
and
referring
people
into
drug
and
diversion
programs,
it
seems
like
we
need
to
get
to
them
much
sooner
and
kind
of
fill
that
void.
That
was
left
when
dare
step
out
of
the
community.
B
Let's
get
rid
of
this
epidemic
is
the
thought
process
we're
moving
forward
with
so
key
components
of
the
program
that
we
had
identified.
One
is
is
figuring
out
the
age
group
that
we
need
to
get
in
front
of
very
important
for
that
age
group
to
be
young
enough
to
be
influenced
and
open,
but
old
enough
to
understand
what
we
are
conveying
to
them
and
for
it
to
be
relevant
near
enough
in
the
future
that
it's
not
lost
by
the
time
they
have
to
use
the
information
we
are
equipping
them
with
to
make
decisions.
B
We
want
the
information
to
be
relevant,
accurate
and
contemporary,
and-
and
this
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
think
that
it's
very
appropriate
to
have
police
officers
conducting
a
program
like
this.
There
is
no
one.
There
are
very
few
people.
I
should
say
that
are
truly
as
on
the
front
lines
of
this
epidemic,
as
the
police
are
we're,
seeing
changes
literally
day
by
day
as
they're
emerging
new
trends
and
how
drugs
are
used,
trends
in
where
they're
being
used,
how
they're
being
combined
even
when
bad
drugs
are
on
the
street.
B
We're
sort
of
the
tip
of
the
sphere
and
seeing
and
responding
to
those
things
we
want
it
again
to
be
less
fear-based,
more
believable,
real-world
real
world
repercussions.
As
you
may
know,
we've
had
a
lot
of
success
with
our
you
deter
program,
which
is
also
a
program
written
by
the
san
bernardino
police
department.
Years
ago,
it's
conducted
every
year
at
cappuccino,
high
school.
It's
designed
to
expose
students
to
the
potential
repercussions
of
drinking
and
driving,
but
takes
this
much
more
rational,
real
world
approach,
rather
than
simply
telling
kids.
B
If
you
drink
or
drive,
you
know
you're
going
to
die
in
a
car
accident
and
it
doesn't
take
long
in
the
teenage
world
to
dispel
that
sort
of
myth.
When
you
watch
people
who
drink
and
drive-
and
they
don't
seem
to
have
the
outcome,
and
so
our
approach
with
you
deter
was
to
say,
let's
talk
about
the
more
real
world
repercussions.
B
Let's
talk
about
all
the
forces
that
work
to
create
consequences
for
driving
under
the
influence
and
hopefully
have
a
greater
impact,
and
I
think
I
can
safely
say
that
in
partnership
with
mad,
we
have
done
so
in
that
regard.
So
we're
going
to
bring
that
to
this
program,
it's
key
that
it
be
relationship
and
trust
building.
B
We
want
to
build
on
our
school
resource
officer
program
by
creating
both
group
and
individual
interactions
between
the
facilitators
of
the
program
and
the
students,
the
teachers
and
the
parents,
so
that
when
something
comes
and
hits
close
to
home,
they
do
feel
there's
a
person
not
just
an
entity
like
the
police
department,
but
an
actual
person.
They
know
that
they
can
reach
out
to
and
confide
in
and
trust
to
give
them
answers
and
to
help
them
navigate
through
it.
We
think
it's
critical
to
include
parental
education
as
a
component
both
with
and
without
their
kids.
B
I
think
that
it's
important
for
the
parents
to
be
present
sometimes
to
know
some
of
the
questions
the
kids
are
asking
and
to
hear
that
side
of
the
input,
but
also
important
for
parents
to
be
able
to
ask
questions.
They
may
not
ask
in
front
of
their
kids
for
fear
of
looking
like
they
know,
even
less
than
most
of
us
actually
do,
and
so
I
think
that
having
both
those
components
will
be
important,
also
incorporating
teacher
staff.
B
Education,
because
all
too
often,
that's
sort
of
where
these
things
rear
their
ugly
heads
first,
I
could
give
you
countless
examples
of
how
our
first
knowledge
of
youth
involved
drug
use
comes
through
the
school
system
and
I
think,
the
better
equipped
and
educated
that
staff
is
as
to
what
to
look
for
the
better
off.
We
all
are
in
that
early
identification
component
and
then,
of
course,
like
any
good
program.
It
needs
to
include
mechanisms
for
feedback,
evaluation,
adjustment
and
growth.
We
need
to
be
flexible
and
make
sure
that
the
program
is
serving
its
needs.
B
So
where
are
we
at
with
this?
So
far?
I
know
in
the
retreat
I
reported
on
this
briefly,
but
I'll
recover
it
here,
just
to
kind
of
give
you
an
idea
where
we're
at
we're
currently
in
stage
one.
This
is
training
staff
members
to
deliver
the
program
to
the
schools.
This
is
developing
the
curriculum
by
looking
at
past
their
curriculum
again,
where
it
was
strong
where
it
fell
short
and
drafting
up
our
own
curriculum,
and
then
this
is
also
an
acquiring
drug
and
paraphernalia
displays.
B
I
know
that
my
own
experience
with
dare
one
of
the
things
that
was
most
valuable,
is
having
the
opportunity
to
actually
see
drugs
and
paraphernalia
what
they
look
like.
So
if
I'm
at
a
party
someone's
using
something,
I
don't
know
what
it
is
well,
maybe
now
I
have
this
education
of
having
seen
it
before
to
know
that
it's
something
dangerous,
and
so
we
actually
have
to
put
in
some
effort
to
put
those
displays
together
right.
We
don't
just
take
drugs
out
of
evidence.
B
We
have
to
communicate
with
the
dea
and
acquire
these
items
in
an
acceptable
format
and
in
a
secure
place
that
we
can
then
share
them
when
appropriate
and
and
have
them
be
secure.
When
not
stage
two
should
kick
in
in
about
june.
That
should
be
when
we
are
finalizing
our
curriculum,
beginning
to
put
through
some
dry
runs
with
our
instructors
and
some
students
and
beginning
to
schedule
directly
with
the
schools,
the
actual
class
time
that
will
be
needed
to
put
on
the
program
stage.
B
Three
we're
shooting
for
about
september,
where
we're
beginning
to
promote
the
program
thoroughly
through
the
school
district
and
should
actually
begin
conducting
programs
with
the
first
half
of
elementary
schools
in
the
in
the
san
bernardino
park,
school
district
and
stage.
Four
should
kick
in
in
december,
where
we
will
continue
promoting
the
program.
We
should
begin
the
second
half
implementation
with
the
second
half
of
the
schools
and
really
be
aggressive
in
obtaining
feedback
during
that
time.
B
We'll
also
need
to
be
doing
some
grant
reporting
because,
as
is
so
often
the
case,
the
san
bernardino
community
foundation
has
stepped
up
to
help
us
get
this
pilot
program
off
the
ground
and
see
what
we
can
do
with
it.
They've
awarded
us
a
fifteen
thousand
dollar
grant
to
help
us
get
started
and
to
kind
of
develop
the
pilot
and
see
where
we
can
go
from
there.
A
Oops,
yes,
a
couple
questions
and
comments.
I
think
this
is
great
just
trying
to
go
back
to
when
I
was
younger
and
just
a
mystery
and
the
education
I
got
from
my
mom
is:
if
you
did
anything,
you
were
gonna
die
and
so
that
kind
of
was
effective
for
a
while.
So
this
is
this
program
already
approved
for
all
of
the
schools
in
san
bernardino,
whether
it
be
san
bernardino
park,
cappuccino
st
robert
stratford.
How?
How
widespread
are
we
going
to
try
to
do
this
here
in
san
bruno
chief?
B
Mr
mayor,
so
initially
the
target
age
group
that
seems
to
be
most
appropriate
for
our
research
is
fifth
grade
students
which
would
isolate
it
to
the
elementary
schools.
We
do
have
a
letter
of
endorsement
from
the
central
park
school
district
to
conduct
the
course
in
all
fifth
grade
classes.
A
A
Is
it
being
offered
to
park
to
st
robert.
B
A
Sure-
and
this
is
the
pilot,
so
I
think
this
is
great,
so
I
fully
support
it.
Thank
you,
councilmember
hamilton,
so
no
questions
just
just
comments
of
of
supporting
of
thanks.
I
mean
it
was
really
important
to
step
into
that
into
that
that
void
left
by
dare,
but
also
to
address
where
the
that
program
wasn't
so
great
it
was.
A
It
was
great
in
many
ways,
but
the
this
it's
especially
that
the
the
parent,
the
parent
education
component,
that
was
always
that
was
always
a
glaring
omission,
and
I
I
know
that
from
from
you
know
my
own
experience
like
with
my
kids
and
having
to
go
figure
all
that
stuff
out
in
order
to
teach
them.
So
that's
I'm
really
really
supportive
of
this
and
I'm
thankful
to
the
community
foundation
for
providing
the
money
to
get
it
off
the
ground.
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
all
your
hard
work.
A
Vice
vera
mason.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
This
is
an
item
that
the
chief
and
I
first
discussed
when
you
first
became
chief
and
I
had
first
been
elected,
so
I'm
really
thrilled
to
see
this
come
to
fruition
and
I'm
hoping
that
you
will
get
a
positive
response
from
the
schools
because
I
think
often
there's
a
misnomer
that
these
things
just
happen
in
public
schools
and
having
attended
both
public
and
private
school.
A
I
can
honestly
say
that
it
happens
everywhere
and-
and
I
really
do
hope,
that
the
schools
in
san
fran
are
receptive
and
that
this
program
is
seen
as
as
a
as
successful.
We
won't
know
for
years
to
come,
but
I
wish
you
the
best
and
let
us
know
how
we
can
support
the
program.
Thank
you
chief.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation
to
the
department.
I
know
you're
one
person
and
obviously
it's
a
team
effort.
A
So
thank
you
to
everyone
and,
as
indicated
to
the
community
foundation
for
giving
us
this
opportunity
with
that
we'll
move
on
to
item
d,
we
see
report
on
police,
radio,
encryption
and
infrastructure
project.
We
have
two
presenters
and
as
council,
as
you
know,
we
are
now
surpassing
we're
going
past.
A
Seven
o'clock,
so
what
I
do
want
to
do
is
go
back
before
I
get
stopped
and
see
if
there
was
anyone
who
wanted
to
speak
from
the
the
public
in
regards
to
the
reducing
the
impact
of
drug
on
families,
pilot
program,
seeing
none,
I've
already
announced
item
d
and
just
as
a
heads
up
obviously
we're
going
to
continue
on
this
and
then
please
very
quickly.
A
If
there's
a
public
there's
a
public
comment
for
the
closed
session,
can
a
member
of
staff
go
over
there
and
just
make
sure
there
aren't
any
public
waiting
to
do
public
comment
over
there
under
the
mayor?
We
won't
be
able
to
do
that
because
that
that
zoom
link
is
set
up
through
my
account
here,
which
means
that
if
I
leave
to
go
do
that,
I
can't
start
it
while
there's
a
meeting
happening.
A
Okay,
I
was
just
I
was
concerned
if
people
dialed
in
for
public
comment
for
our
close
for
the
closed
session
at
seven,
that
they
would
just
be
sitting
waiting
over
there.
B
Council,
that
is
a
concern
of
mine.
A
As
well,
but
we
have
one
more
item
what
I
would
I
think,
I'd
like
to
see
if
we
can
and
get
through
this
or
colleagues
does
anybody
have
a
want
to
do
this
as
a
collaborative
effort?
So
do
we
want
to
come
here?
Yes,
mr
media,
perhaps
we
can
take
the
recess
here
and
then
go
to
the
other
site.
Take
that
top
comment
or
no
comment
and
then
come
back.
A
A
Thank
you,
I
think
given
where
we're
where
we
are.
This
is
sort
of
the
hiccups
of
zoo
right,
because
the
meetings
are
are
virtual
and
people
can
attend
virtually.
I
do
understand
the
technical
challenge
we're
in,
which
is
this
zoom
account
the
zoom
there.
The
city,
clerk's
zoom,
account
set
up
both
this
meeting
and
the
prior
meeting,
and
we
can't
have
two
active
at
the
same
time.
A
Say
that
it
is
totally
appropriate
and
legal
to
continue
with
this
meeting
and
then
start
the
next
meeting
later,
and
you
know
pre-code
that
happened
all
the
time
and
it
happens
in
cities,
often
where
your
your
meeting
time
runs
long,
and
you
begin
your
closed
session
later,
because
your
regular
meeting
runs
long
and
we
would
typically
have
closed
sessions
at
our
agenda
for
after
the
council
meeting
whenever
that
is,
and
so
I
think,
given
the
amount
of
workload
that's
on
our
plate
and
the
need
for
this
special
meeting
to
sort
of
dive
down
deeply.
A
My
recommendation
would
be
continue
with
this
last
topic
and
then
we'll
we'll
go
to
closed
session,
and
my
understanding
is
from
the
city
attorney.
This
is
as
well
just
what
the
city
manager
stated
and
we've
had
an
officer
also
sitting
through
this
meeting,
and
I
want
to
give
that
respect
not
only
to
our
chief
but
the
officer
for
the
effort
and
the
time
that
they
put
in
and
waiting
patiently.
So
chief,
I
will
ask
if
you
could
please
continue.
B
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
thank
you
council
for
being
patient,
letting
us
get
through
all
this
material.
This
presentation
was
going
to
be
delivered
by
a
far
more
knowledgeable
source
and
captain
jeremy
brandenburg.
He
is
unfortunately
ill
and
will
now
you're
going
to
have
to
watch
my
bobbling
head
again
for
a
few
minutes,
but
I
am
joined
by
detective
oliver
wright
who,
as
you're,
going
to
learn
through
my
presentation,
is
quite
frankly
the
expert
in
this
space.
B
He
has
already
saved
the
city
and
the
department,
a
tremendous
amount
of
headache
and
a
tremendous
amount
of
money,
because
he
is
an
expert
in
radio
technology
and
has
saved
us
the
need
to
hire
a
consultant
to
come
in
and
figure
out
what
we
need
to
do
with
this
extremely
challenging
requirement,
and
so
oliver
is
not
planning
to
present
but
he's
here,
because
there
may
be
questions
you
have
or
items
that
I
am
incorrect
about,
and
he
is
far
more
knowledgeable.
B
So
please
bear
with
me,
but
I
am
here
to
provide
you
with
a
presentation
on
the
police,
radio,
encryption
and
infrastructure
project.
That
is
the
objective
in
terms
of
the
agenda.
I'll
give
some
background
as
to
why
you're
having
to
hear
about
this
now
describe
some
of
the
issues
with
our
current
radios
and
infrastructure
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
importance
of
this
decision
as
it
pertains
to
the
long-term
future.
B
This
is,
in
my
opinion,
one
of
those
times
where,
as
leaders,
we
have
to
really
think
well
well
ahead
of
our
own
times
here
or
we
could
be
setting
up
the
folks
that
will
succeed.
All
of
us
in
in
a
very
difficult
situation
and
I'll
explain
that
in
greater
detail,
I
want
to
talk
about
the
components
of
what
my
experts
here
have
identified
as
a
viable
solution
to
the
problems
being
presented
to
us
and
talk
about
the
anticipated
fiscal
impact,
which
is
significant,
as
you
have
noted,
probably
from
the
staff
report.
B
I'm
going
to
talk
about
the
bill
that
basically
said
they
can
take
away
and
are,
in
fact,
probably
planning
to
take
away
our
existing
frequency
band
that
we
use
to
talk
on
our
police
radios.
B
So
we
can
start
actually
all
the
way
back
with
9
11..
There
was
a
commission
report
that
resulted
in
an
effort
after
action
to
congress
and
identified
several
points
of
improvement
and
among
those
were
communications
problems
that
occurred
during
the
911
tragedy
and
the
importance
of
communications
interoperability
similar.
You
know
to
any
large-scale
incident,
but
probably
you
know
on
a
greater
scale
than
any
we
had
seen
before
or
after
you
had
many
many
different
entities
responding
to
try
and
help
people
in
this
horrible
situation.
B
Because
of
this
issue,
there
was
intelligence
possessed
by
certain
groups
that
couldn't
get
to
other
groups
because
of
the
lack
of
interoperability
and,
what's
really
crazy
about
that,
is
that
issue
absolutely
still
exists
here
in
california,
and
it
definitely
exists
here
in
san
mateo
county
more
than
20
years
after
that
report
was
issued,
telling
us
we
needed
to
fix
this,
so
a
little
bit
opportunistic.
I
suppose,
but
I
am
utilizing
this
opportunity
that
has
come
through
this
new
legislation
to
push
to
fix
that
issue
once
and
for
all.
B
Currently,
our
police
radio
spectrum,
which
is
in
the
400
megahertz,
I
promise
I'm
going
to
try
really
hard
not
to
use
technical
lingo
that
I
don't
really
understand
anyway,
but
that
is
what
is
used
by
a
multitude
of
different
entities.
It's
not
just
public
safety.
This
same
band
or
spectrum
is
used
by
cellular
companies.
B
The
400
megahertz
is
problematic.
In
response
to
this,
the
fcc
actually
designated
a
part
of
the
800
megahertz
spectrum,
specifically
for
public
safety,
not
to
be
intruded
upon
by
any
other
entities.
This
was
absolutely
to
make
sure
that
communications
would
be
solid
when
needed
among
public
safety
entities,
and
all
you
had
to
do
to
get.
There
was
get
on
the
800
megahertz
spectrum.
We
still
have
not
done
that.
We
were
on
the
400
megahertz
spectrum.
B
Most
agencies
across
the
country
migrated
to
800
megahertz.
As
soon
as
that
recommendation,
or
shortly
after
was
made
by
the
fcc
and
the
dedication
was
in
place.
It's
just
one
of
the
few
areas
we
tend
to
be
ahead
of
the
curve
here
and
for
some
reason
we
have
stayed
behind
the
curve
and
it's
not
just
san
bruno.
It's
really
the
entire
count.
B
B
So
another
issue
we're
encountering
is
there
was
legislation
passed
quite
some
time
ago
that
made
it
very
clear
to
those
of
us
on
the
400
megahertz
t-band
that
our
frequencies
were
likely
to
be
sold
off
because
they
are
very,
very
valuable
to
cellular
providers
and
for-profit
organizations,
and
we
were
given
that
notice
many
many
years
ago,
but
it
hasn't
happened
and
so
we've
just
kind
of
continued
rolling
the
dice
staying
on
the
400
megahertz
when
in
reality,
while
it's
currently
okay
to
be
there
clearly,
because
we've
done
it
for
years.
That
could
change
tomorrow.
B
The
fcc
could
say
yeah,
it's
too
valuable.
You
know,
t-mobile
is
willing
to
pay
a
billion
dollars
for
this
frequency
that
you're
currently
using
or
this
this.
This
megahertz
ban
that
you're
using
and
you
no
longer
can
use
it,
and
then
we
would
have
to
make
a
change
lickety-split
right
here
and
now
lose
our
ability
to
communicate.
B
So
there's
also
this
issue
that
is
playing
into
what
we
need
to
do
here
and
then
bring
encryption
law
in
october
of
2020,
the
department
of
justice
issued
a
mandate
that
all
law
enforcement
agencies
have
to
encrypt
all
of
our
radio
transmissions
that
include
pii.
This
is
personal
identification,
information
or
identifying
data,
and
we
can
it's
very
clear
why
this
is
important
right.
B
If
you
don't
encrypt
your
radio
frequency,
anyone
with
a
scanner
or
receiver
can
listen
to
it,
and
we
are
transmitting
a
lot
of
sensitive
information
about
people
names,
birth
dates,
driver's
license
numbers
criminal
histories,
you
name
it
it's
coming
through
that
radio
frequency.
So
if
you
don't
encrypt
it
really
again,
anyone
out
there
can
be
listening
to
it
using
it
for
male
purposes
goes,
and
it
clearly
should
be
protected.
B
They
were
aware
of
the
potential
operational
impacts.
This
would
create,
and
so
they
asked
all
agencies
to
draft
a
plan
for
becoming
compliant
and
most
of
the
agencies
in
san
mateo
county
got
together
and
asked
doj
for
three
years.
As
you
can
see,
we're
now
coming
up
on
that
right
october.
2020
now
we're
coming
to
october
2023
would
be
kind
of
that
deadline.
Point
as
you're
going
to
learn
subsequent
slides.
What
we've
quickly
learned
is,
just
as
everyone
is
dealing
with
delays
in
obtaining
equipment
and
getting
services
conducted.
B
So
what
does
radio
encryption
do
again?
It's
really
about
privacy.
It
prevents
anyone
without
the
proper
key
or
a
password
from
intercepting
our
radio
traffic
and
hearing
that
personal,
identifying
information
over
the
radio.
So
it
protects
it
from
being
heard
and
then
protects
it
from
being
used.
It
allows
us
operationally
to
continue
communicating
that
essential
data
over
a
radio
which
we
need
to
be
able
to
do
to
be
compliant.
B
You
can
imagine
just
being
on
a
traffic
stop
and
not
being
able
to
find
out
whether
or
not
the
person's
driver's
license
is
valid,
because
you're,
not
encrypting
data
would
be
crippling
the
police
operation.
So
we
need
to
encrypt
not
only
for
the
purpose
of
protecting
the
public,
but
in
order
to
comply
with
needing
to
continue
using
the
radio.
B
B
Because,
quite
frankly,
not
too
many
years
ago,
you
were
asked
to
put
some
funds
forward
to
fix
a
lot
of
radio
infrastructure
issues
and
honestly,
if
we
had
been
forward
thinking
enough
at
the
time
that
that
money
should
have
been
invested
towards
this
project,
because
it
wasn't
hard
to
see
that
this
is
where
technology
is
going.
I
will
not
make
that
mistake.
B
So
currently
we
have
seven
sites
with
radio
equipment
in
order
to
make
sure
our
radios
work.
This
isn't
terribly
relevant,
but
they're
located
at
sign
hill
in
south
city,
at
the
police
department,
at
city
hall,
on
arbor
court
at
el
crystal
school,
at
crest,
the
old
crestmoor
high
school
site
and
at
skyline
college.
B
My
hope
here
is
to
illustrate
to
you
that,
even
if
we
didn't
move
forward
with
encryption
and
these
requirements,
weren't
before
us,
we'd
be
looking
at
significant
reinvestment
in
infrastructure
just
to
keep
our
existing
program
working
so
to
communicate
with
these
different
sites.
Some
of
the
equipment
we
use
are
portable
radios
that
we
wear
on
our
person.
I'm
sure
you
all
have
seen
those
there
are
mobile
radios
in
all
of
our
vehicles
that
are
mounted
in
there
and
then,
of
course,
there's
all
the
dispatch
console
radio
equipment
so
that
dispatchers
communicate
with
us.
B
Our
current
talking
about
the
issues
with
our
current
radio
infrastructure,
I'm
just
going
to
try
to
be
really
straightforward
in
this
first
meeting,
because
the
point
here
is
to
kind
of
introduce
to
you
what
we've
been
working
through.
The
bottom
line
is
our
existing
equipment
cannot
comply
with
the
encryption
mandate
period.
We
cannot
use
our
existing
equipment
and
comply
with
the
law.
B
We
estimate
right
now
that
just
to
even
stay
status
quo
and
comply
with
the
encryption
alone,
not
accommodating
the
four
megahertz
issues,
the
coverage
issues,
the
interoperability
issues
they're
talking
about
tonight.
We
would
already
be
looking
at
about
1.5
million
dollars,
and
this
is
a
solution
that
ignores
all
of
the
other
issues
that
are
likely
to
make
that
investment
obsolete
in
the
very
near
future.
B
B
Adequate
radio
coverage
is
the
minimum
standard
required
that
that
means
that
when
a
police
officer
pushes
the
button
on
their
radio,
they
will
be
able
to
communicate
with
dispatch,
communicate
an
emergency
route
in
resources
make
sure
everyone
knows
what's
actually
going
on
light.
Green
is
bad
right.
Light
green
means
that
if
you
are
in
a
building
or
you
are
behind
a
hill
or
even
behind
a
large
tree,
your
radio
transmission
is
probably
not
getting
through.
If
it
does
get
through,
it
will
probably
be
broken.
B
So
all
of
these
white
areas-
you
see,
mean
that
a
police
officer
there
who
is
in
a
dire
emergency,
pushes
the
butt
on
his
radio
and
no
one
is
going
to
hear
what
they
have
to
say
so
we're
trying
to
resolve
this
issue
while
taking
on
the
other
issues
before
us,
I'm
hopeful
that
that
sound
will
come
through.
Maybe
I'll
play
this
first
one
and
mr
mayer,
if
you
kind
enough
to
indicate
to
me
if
you
all,
are
able
to
hear
it,
but
these
are
just
some
really
quick
examples
of
some
radio
difficulties.
B
B
So
you
hear
the
dispatcher
there,
that's
what
it
should
sound
like
for
everybody,
but
as
soon
as
you're
on
portable
radio,
the
officer
at
the
beginning
is
what
the
dispatcher's
actually
hearing
and
the
code
you
hear.
Feeding
back
is
ten
one.
Ten
one
is
a
code
and
no
officer
wants
to
hear
because
it
means
that
no
one
can
understand
you
and,
in
this
case,
you're
communicating
something
relatively
innocuous.
B
I
have
been
in
situations
in
fact,
one
in
san
diego
that
ended
up
very
badly
nearly
killing
a
peace
officer
where
he
was
cueing
his
microphone
and
asking
for
help
many
times
over
and
no
one
could
hear
what
he
was
saying
and
no
one
knew
where
he
was
so.
He
was
alone
for
the
better
part
of
40
minutes.
While
we
searched
an
entire
subdivision
trying
to
find
him,
so
you
get
the
idea
that
the
radio
coverage
is
already
problematic.
B
B
B
Furthermore,
there
is
a
california
mutual
aid,
a
series
of
california
mutual
aid
channels
set
up
to
ensure
that
we
have
that
very
large
scale.
Incident
that
earthquake
that
tsunami,
that
massive
fire
that
all
can
communicate
and
our
radios
do
not
work,
because
we
have
not
gotten
to
the
level
where
we
can
support
that
infrastructure,
and
then
we
have
this
issue
with
the
poor
condition
of
our
current
radio
sites.
Radio
sites
are
one
of
those
things
that
has
a
police
department.
We
don't
really
go
pay
attention
to
until
you
have
to
right.
B
B
B
Two
of
them,
as
I
mentioned
before,
are
buildings
that
are
scheduled
for
demolition
and
those
are
not
being
maintained
at
all
and
data
connections
to
that
radio
equipment
is
inferior
at
one
of
the
sites
and
in
all
the
other
sites.
It's
a
single
point.
So
if
the
data
connection
goes
down
same
effect
as
losing
power,
we
would
lose
our
ability
to
use
that
site.
B
B
There
were
wires
hanging
out
exposed
that,
if
cut,
would
compromise,
the
ability
for
the
system
to
work
really
just
completely
unacceptable
infrastructure
and
our
current
infrastructure
lacks
critical
functions
that
are
part
of
the
future
of
radio
functionality.
Lte
functionality
is
really
really
important.
First
of
all,
lte
infrastructure
is
far
more
broad
than
any
radio
infrastructure.
B
What
I
think
is
more
important
is
we've
been
put
on
notice
from
the
fcc
that
probably
all
radio
transmission
for
public
safety
will
be
moving
to
lte-based
in
the
immediate
future,
which
means
the
more
money
we
spend
investing
in
our
current
infrastructure.
The
more
money
will
be
flowing
down
the
trash.
When
that
change
happens,
our
recurrent
radios
also
have
no
gps
location.
B
So,
if
you're
in
an
emergency,
when
you're
fighting
with
someone
or
you're
shot-
and
you
cannot
speak
into
the
radio-
you
have
no
way
to
tell
people
where
you
are
new
radios
will
have
gps
functionality.
That
will
immediately
tell
us
exactly
where
you
are
so
that
we
can
go
help
officers
and
get
where
we
need
to
be.
We
also
have
almost
no
available
secondary
channels,
and
this
is
something
we
need
all
the
time
right.
B
B
We
do
also
have
some
fcc
licensing
concerns.
This
existing
vendor
has
set
up
our
current
license
to
be
registered
at
the
in
the
center
of
colma,
which
I
know
makes
zero
sense.
As
I
speak
to
you
this
evening.
But
the
reason
behind
it
is
it
was
a
temporary
fix
when
the
theater
building
was
built
and
blocked
our
local
pd
transmitter
from
our
radius.
B
So
we
had
to
relocate
it,
but
this
now
has
that
system,
communicating
with
the
sign
hill
repeater
and
that's
not
really
how
it
was
designed
to
work
with
the
rest
of
the
infrastructure
in
the
city,
so
it
has
further
compromised
the
functionality
and
it
really
makes
our
license
kind
of
invalid
and
it
needs
to
be
updated.
Furthermore,
a
single
channel
license
is
no
longer
adequate.
We
are
too
busy
of
a
police
department.
If
we
have
two
emergency
operations
going
on
at
once,
which
happens
on
a
weekly
basis.
B
We
need
to
be
able
to
take
those
to
multiple
frequencies
so
that
we
can
preserve
those
communications
properly
for
now
and
the
future,
and
we
do
not
have
that
ability.
B
B
He
said
that
he
skates
to
where
the
puck
is
going
to
be
not
to
where
it
has
been,
and
this
is
one
of
those
situations
where
we
can
choose
to
get
to
where
the
puck
is
now
and
just
focus
on
encryption
alone
and
making
sure
we're
compliant,
or
we
can
say,
look
if
we're
going
to
investigate
money
and
getting
encrypted,
which
is
what
we
have
to
do.
Maybe
we
should
look
at
deploying
some
solutions
that
might
last
for
the
long
haul.
B
B
We
need
more
effective,
remote
operation,
which
is
what
we've
learned
from
covid
and
the
radio
solution
I'm
going
to
be
proposing
to
you
today
would
literally
allow
me
to
hear
and
speak
on
my
radio
from
four
counties.
Over
from
here.
Our
detectives
could
go
to
sacramento
to
serve
a
warrant.
They'd
still
be
able
to
talk
to
our
dispatchers.
Listen
to
our
radio,
communicate
with
our
folks,
so
being
able
to
remotely
operate
is
really
important
in
this
new
age
and
then,
of
course,
the
mutual
aid
communications
problem
needs
to
be
solved.
B
Well,
so
the
components
of
a
viable
solution
is
what
I'm
going
to
cover
now
just
kind
of
going
through
what
I
think
need
to
be
the
key
components
of
what
we
deploy
from
here.
The
first
is
adequate.
Day-To-Day
lmr
coverage
showed
your
map.
The
bottom
line
is
it's
absolutely
not
acceptable.
In
my
eyes,
as
a
police
executive,
we
need
to
move
to
roaming
coverage,
not
conventional
coverage,
and
what
that
means
is
a
system
that
will
communicate
with
the
nearest
infrastructure
site
available
to
it,
instead
of
simply
always
communicating
with
the
same
site.
B
Even
as
you
move
further
and
further
away
from
that
site
and
compromise
the
quality
of
your
communications,
we
need
to
be
able
to
access
all
mutual
aid
channels.
This
requires
us
to
deploy
a
multi-band,
portable
and
mobile
vehicle
radio
that
can
communicate
on
any
public
safety
radio
channel.
So,
even
if
some
entities
choose
to
stay
on
the
400,
we
will
be
able
to
communicate
with
them
going
to
800..
B
This
is
required
in
order
to
comply
with
doj.
It
would
allow
for
other
agencies
to
communicate
with
us
if
we
provide
them.
The
encryption
keys
to
come
on
our
frequency,
it
would
allow
allow
mobile
and
portable
radios
to
continue
communicating
that
pii
data
that
is
so
essential
for
us
to
communicate.
B
This
does
require
updating
encryption
keys
as
they
change,
and
we
have
a
solution
that
would
allow
us
to
do
that
remotely,
as
opposed
to
having
to
literally
take
in
the
current
system.
If
we
encrypt,
we
would
have
to
bring
every
radio
into
the
station
and
hand
program
it
reprogram
it
every
time
those
encryption
keys
change
and
they
have
to
change
frequently
to
be
in
compliance
with
the
mandate.
B
We
need
fail
back
areas
for
the
areas
where
I've
reduced
or
no
coverage.
We
talked
about
lte.
Providing
that
fail
back.
We
need
to
make
sure
we
can
transmit,
even
when
we
need
the
city.
If
you
get
in
a
pursuit
and
you
quickly
leave
the
city
of
san
bruno,
you
still
need
to
be
able
to
communicate
on
the
radio
and
that's
what
happens
in
all
suits,
and
so
we
do
need
a
solution
that
will
provide
that
capability,
and
then
we
need
vehicle
repeaters
to
increase
building
penetration.
B
One
of
the
classic
examples
that
we
bring
up
all
the
time
with
both
us
and
the
fire
department
is
that
if
you
go
into
any
of
these
large
apartment
buildings
across
from
tanfaran
the
crossings
complexes,
the
radios
don't
work
period.
They
don't
work
so,
if
you're
in
a
apartment
over
there
and
you
get
into
a
bad
incident
or
you
need
medical
help
or
you
need
whatever.
We
cannot
communicate
that
using
your
radio
in
the
current
structure,
so
we're
exploring
including
little
repeaters
that
go
into
vehicles.
B
B
We
also
need
to
increase
our
communication
capabilities.
I
mentioned
that
this
will
allow
us
to
create
additional
talk
channels.
It
will
allow
us
to
create
an
unlimited
number
of
additional
channels.
So
if
we're
running
an
eoc
operation,
as
we've
been
doing
for
almost
two
years
now
with
covid,
we
can
stand
up
a
frequency
to
use
just
for
eoc
communications
investigators.
Detectives
can
stand
up
their
own
channel
to
deal
with
their
communications,
multiple
operations
at
once
the
ui
checkpoints.
B
Whatever
we're
doing,
we
can
stand
up
a
dedicated
channel
to
keep
those
communications
clean
and
off
of
our
primary
frequency.
Again,
we
need
gps
location.
I
think
I
probably
belabored
that
enough,
but
knowing
where
a
cop
is,
is
really
really
important
to
safety
and
we
need
video
sites
with
redundant
electrical
and
data
connections.
B
Again,
I
don't
think
it's
acceptable
that
if
we
lose
power
we
lose
data,
we
simply
can't
communicate
with
police
radios.
Those
are
the
first
things
that
are
likely
to
go
down
in
a
large
scale
incident.
So
if,
as
soon
as
those
things
go
down,
you
lose
your
ability
to
communicate,
you
also
lose
your
ability
to
effectively
manage
the
emergency.
B
So
let's
talk
about
the
the
the
real
difficult
task
here,
which
is
the
anticipated
fiscal
impact.
We've
been
working
very
hard,
as
you
can
see
from
this
presentation
to
identify
all
of
the
potential
needs
and
items
for
this
project
and
to
look
at
how
we
can
do
it
as
efficiently
and
effectively
as
possible,
and
that
continues
to
this
date.
So
I
won't
have
all
of
the
answers
in
the
fiscal
impact
because
we're
still
analyzing
as
we
speak,
we
have
multiple
vendors,
providing
multiple
different
solution
models
to
try
to
figure
out.
B
B
Additionally,
it
will
necessitate
an
ongoing
license:
licensing
fees
somewhere
neighborhood
of
150
to
250
000
per
year.
That
number
actually
can
vary
really
significantly
depending
upon
whether
we're
building
our
own
infrastructure
to
operate
on
or
we're
paying
to
operate
on
somebody
else's.
B
So
there
is
a
lot
of
mobility
here,
and
we've
received
some
good
news
in
the
last
week
or
so
from
the
vendors
that
there
is
actually
a
methodology
that
can
be
utilized
to
really
significantly
bring
this
down,
but
I'm
trying
to
give
council
sort
of
the
worst
case
scenario
so
that
we
can
begin
planning
for
what
it's
entirely
possible.
This
will
cost.
B
I
think
it
is
important
to
note
that
there
are.
There
is
some
funding
available
here.
I
anticipated
this
being
an
issue
and
knew
it
would
be
costly.
I
didn't
know
it
would
be
this
costly
until
we
got
into
analysis,
we
have
about
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
one-time
revenues
that
the
pd
has
been
holding
rather
than
spending
to
allocate
it
towards
this
project.
I
do
acknowledge
that's
a
small
dent
in
something
of
this
size,
but
certainly
will
help.
B
We
have
also
saved
approximately
a
quarter
million
in
consulting
fees
because
of
the
work
of
jeremy,
brandenburg,
a
captain
here
at
the
police
department
and
oliver
reich
a
detective.
Other
agencies
have
paid
consultants
to
do
the
work
that
they've
done
and,
and
they
have
paid
upwards
of
this
amount
of
money.
B
We
are
continuing
to
monitor
that
situation
very
aggressively,
including
at
the
ca
at
the
county
chiefs
level,
with
a
meeting
with
the
senator's
office
this
past
two
weeks
ago
to
discuss.
Is
there
anything
coming
in
the
way
of
funding
because
we're
up
against
the
deadline?
Now
we
need
to
make
moves
and,
and
money
is
not
immediately
available.
B
There
are
also
potential
leasing
options
through
the
vendors
that
would
allow
us
to
break
up
this
big
one-time
payment
over
several
years.
There
are
a
couple
of
scenarios
in
which
I
will
actually
probably
end
up
having
staff
recommend
that
to
you
all,
because
it
can
also
provide
some
benefits
in
terms
of
the
lack
of
need
to
maintain
that
equipment
if
you're
leasing
it
versus
owning
it.
B
A
Thank
you
very
much,
chief
and
detective.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
First,
I
want
to
just
go
and
see
if
there's
any
folks
in
the
public
that
may
wish
to
speak,
since
this
has
gone
past
just
to
give
that
opportunity.
First,
there's
anybody
from
the
audience
that
wishes
to
speak.
If
you
could
raise
your
virtual
hand
now
see
none,
let's
bring
it
to
counsel
for
questions.
Please.
A
Council
member
salazar,
thank
you
great
presentation,
really
interesting
to
see.
What's
going
on
what
with
the
technology
and
and
with
the
with
regulations-
and
I
was
wondering
if
so
I
I've-
I
was
involved
a
little
bit
when
the
county
first
started
looking
at
firstnet
and
so
that
that
is
a
commercial.
B
Solution
right,
so
we
would
be
leveraging
commercial
infrastructure.
A
To
to
relay
the
the
signal,
so
would
would
the
solution
that
we're
looking
at
leverage
other
non-commercial
towers,
in
addition
to
the
lte,
or
would
we
be
exclusively
on
the
commercial
system.
A
The
detective
or
yeah
I
could
tell
by
the
chief
the
grant
detective.
Please
feel
free
hello,
mayor
council
members
vice
mayor.
Yes,
yes,
and
no
to
your
question.
A
A
If
it
is
still
working
on
backup
battery
like
most
of
the
ones
around
us,
do
it
would
be
able
to
grab
that
transmission
from
that
firefighter
and
push
it
through
to
where
it
would
need
to
go,
and
it
would
actually
kick
off
in
the
event
of
a
major
earthquake
or
even
some
of
the
smaller
ones
we've
had
where
everybody
goes
on
their
phone
and
ends
up
overloading
a
cellphone
tower,
it
would
actually
make
that
firefighter's
transmission
priority
over
everybody
else's.
So
that's
what
the
firstnet
system
was
designed
to
fix.
A
Definitely
in
the
research
that
we've
conducted
and
the
people
that
I've
talked
to
regarding
using
firstnet
as
a
day-to-day
solution
for
public
safety
transmissions.
It's
not
robust
enough
yet
and
att
was
awarded
that
contract.
They
fought
with
verizon
and
t-mobile.
A
A
However,
as
a
fallback,
I
can
tell
you,
there
are
plenty
of
places
where
I
haven't
been
able
to
talk
to
my
dispatcher
or
my
co-workers,
the
fire
department
on
this,
but
my
phone
has
worked
and
it's
unfortunate,
but
that's
that's
this
urban
environment
that
that
we
live
in
with
with
the
sprawl
the
concrete
buildings.
A
The
the
rate
these
buildings
are
going
up
is
definitely
not
keeping
up
with
or
our
infrastructure
is
not
keeping
up
with
the
way
our
area
is
being
developed.
A
Okay,
all
right
great
and
another
question
I
had
was
you
know
what
the
requirement
of
moving
everybody
from
the
400
megahertz
to
800
megahertz,
the
the
higher
frequencies,
tend
to
attenuate
faster
through
going
through
walls,
and
so
is
that
going
to
create
a
bigger
problem
in
in
terms
of
that
reception
when,
when
you're
inside
a
building
and
will
the
vehicle,
I
I
forget
what
the
what
the
word
was,
but
basically
your
your
signal
extenders
is
that
gonna
be
able
to
compensate
not
only
for
our
what
we're
we're
already
deficient,
but
in
in
you
know
forcing
that
those
other
frequencies
that
it
seems
like
it
would
get
worse.
A
Rather
than
better,
that's
exactly
what
I
thought
towards
the
beginning
of
this
project,
and
then
I
ended
up
consulting
with
public
safety,
radio
managers
from
other
counties
and
other
radio
experts,
and
then
we
ended
up
doing
some
tests
ourselves
with
borrowing
equipment
from
vendors
and
the
funny
part
I
learned.
The
answer
was
was
in
front
of
me.
The
entire
time
was
cell
phone
technology
actually
operates
just
above
800
megahertz
for
just
above
the
spectrum
set
aside
for
public
safety
before
and
after.
A
So
the
reason
why
the
cell
phone
companies
went
all
crazy
going
after
those
frequencies
back
in
the
2000s
to
create
lte
3g,
first
and
lte
was
because
those
particular
waves,
while
they're
smaller,
actually
penetrate
windows
and
concrete
better
than
the
longer
waves
of
the
older
technology
like
the
400
megahertz
or
the
lower
bands.
That
like
say
santa
cruz,
is
on
and
the
highway
patrol
is
on,
which
is
fantastic
when
you're
trying
to
transmit
over
longer
distances
to
reach
out
towards
a
tower
like
a
distant
mountaintop.
A
800
megahertz
actually
has
worked
when
you
key
up
that
that
radio
on
800
megahertz
is
as
if
you're
making
that
call
via
a
cell
phone
and
as
we
can
see,
with
the
availability
of
cell
phone
technology
and
the
design
of
these
towers
and
covered
systems,
800
megahertz
actually
seems
to
work,
sometimes
even
better
than
than
the
current
t-band
mat
that
we're
operating
on
and
to
answer
a
point
about
the
vehicle.
A
I
mean
it's,
it's
absolutely
fantastic:
to
be
able
to
pull
up
a
mobile
piece
of
radio
infrastructure
to
a
building
where
you
know
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
talk
to
regardless
or
one
of
the
main
one
of
the
big
tests
that
we
did
recently
was
to
pull
up
a
vehicle
on
the
outside
of
one
of
the
parking
garages
at
the
crossings
and
have
an
officer
walk
down
into
that
lower
garage
area.
We've
never
had
radio
coverage
there.
Fire
department
has
never
radio
coverage
there.
A
Having
that
police
car
just
outside
of
that
garage,
we
had,
we
had
full
bars
and
clear
radio
transmissions
from
there,
which
was
actually
really
eye-opening
for
us
and
then
just
in
terms
of
keeping
compatibility
is
our
fire
department
and
the
agencies
that
surrender.
Are
they
also
watching
where
that
puck
is
going
or
are
they
gonna
be
behind
us
and
get
cut
off
when
they're,
when
they're
here
to
help
us?
A
I
can
speak
for
part
of
that
question.
The
fire
department
is
staying
on,
vhf,
which
is
called
very
high
frequency.
It's
wavelengths
that
are
a
little
bit
longer
than
hours
are
just
below
our
current
and
they've,
been
on
that
for
the
last
30
or
40
years.
It
works
very
well
for
them
they
have
had
our
local
fire
department
does
have
some
issues
with
radio
coverage
and
building
penetration,
but
due
to
the
way
they
do
their
operations.
A
Typically,
what
they
do
is
a
battalion
chief
is
outside
of
a
building
say
during
an
emergency,
and
the
firefighters
actually
go
into
a
building
and
change
channels
to
a
local
like
walkie-talkie
channel.
So,
building
building
penetration
is
never
as
much
of
a
big
deal
for
them,
because
they're
all
they're
their
help
and
they're
able
to
talk
to
each
other.
They
navigate
through,
like,
for
example,
like
a
building
at
shelter
creek
and
if
they
need
additional
help,
they
talk
to
their
boss,
who's
parked
outside.
A
Who
is
monitoring,
pin
radio
on
another
radio
for
help
or
for
additional
resources
our
operations?
Unfortunately,
just
the
way
we
do
things
and
there's
no
way
around
it,
because
we
can't
have
a
supervisor
follow
everybody
around.
Every
time,
like
the
fire
department
says,
is,
is
that
that
officer
you're
they're
they're
they're
their
sole
help,
especially
if
they
go
in
somewhere
by
themselves.
They
have
to
maintain
that
connection
to
the
outside
world
and
then
I'm
sorry.
A
Has
now
turned
yield
the
floor
to
you.
B
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
will
just
add
to
that
that
I
don't
actually
know
the
answer
yet.
Councilmember
salazar,
I'm
working
very
hard
at
the
county
chiefs
level
to
try
and
share
the
knowledge
I've
been
blessed
with
through
oliver
and
jeremy's
work
and
to
help
the
county
as
a
whole
to
realize
that
really
it's
in
your
best
interest
to
just
skate
to
where
the
puck
is
going
and
to
make
this
long-term
decision.
B
In
many
cases
it
might
be
because
it
saves
some
money,
and
I
think
that
the
good
news
is
that
we,
whatever
change,
we
make
we're
going
to
be
able
to
communicate
on
their
frequencies
and
and
communicate
with
them
and
do
everything
we
need
to
do.
If,
if
some
of
those
entities
make
the
potentially
wrong
decision,
in
my
view,
then
the
one
downside
will
be
they
will
not
be
able
to
talk
on.
B
Our
frequency,
in
most
cases,
will
still
be
able
to
hear
us,
but
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
come
into
san
bruno
and
use
the
frequency
to
communicate,
which,
incidentally,
we
actually
don't
do
in
this
county
very
often
anyway.
Typically,
if
we
run
a
joint
operation,
we
move
to
a
joint
mutual
aid
channel
and
that's
actually
a
separate
conversation
that
is
impacted
by
this
decision-making
process
as
well.
A
Yes,
yes,
thank
you
when
I
first
read
this
report
and
saw
the
three
to
five
million
I
was
just
like
you
know.
We
cannot
catch
a
break.
You
know
we're
making
progress
and
and
the
reality
of
the
changing
world
and
an
aging
infrastructure
and
and
new
requirements.
A
We
two
steps
forward
three
steps
back
right,
but
nonetheless
thank
you
for
the
reality
and
and
what
and
how
we
get
to
make
things
better
and
safer.
A
couple
questions.
This
is
probably
our
city
attorney.
Can
development
agreements
require
that
repeaters
be
installed
in
buildings?
A
I
thought
that
was
kind
of
what
we
were
doing
back
in
the
day
with
the
crossings
that
I
remember
there
was
a
concern
about
that
and
what
what
can
we
do
to
to
make
sure
that,
when
a
new
building
goes
up
that
it
can
be
properly
served
for
the
people
inside
and
for
the
officers
that
are
that
are
providing
service?
A
A
So,
since
not
all
projects
have
development
agreements
really
the
question
is:
can
the
city
require
that
that
occur
as
a
as
a
condition
of
approval,
for
whatever
discretionary
permits
are
being
applied
separately?
If
there
is
a
development
agreement,
then
that
would
be
a
negotiated
point,
but
do
does
anyone
from
pde
recall
what
we
ended
up
doing
with
respect
to
that
building?
I'm
sorry,
I
don't
remember.
A
A
Yeah,
of
course,
that
was
that
was
quite
a
while
ago,
but
that
definitely
is
something
that
we
wanted.
For
you
know
normally.
A
The
the
other
issue
is
that
general
police
services
funded
by
the
general
fund
are
not
something
that
we
can
require
as
a
condition
of
land
use
approvals,
there's
sort
of
a
variety
of
cases
on
that
topic,
but
it's
certainly
something
we'd
want
to
look
into
and
see
what
we
could
do
and
we'll
work
collaboratively
with
police
department
to
see
if
there's
any
any
legal
way
to
make
that
a
requirement
for
a
land
use.
B
Yeah
approval
think
one
thing
that's
important
to
note
here.
Is
that
and
I'll
just
say
it
briefly,
and
if
you
want
more
elaboration,
then
oliver
can
certainly
step
in,
but
we
have
a
unique
topography
here.
That's
making
things
challenging
as
well,
so
even
putting
repeaters
on
buildings.
We
have
a
perfect
storm
where
we
have
a
lot
of
undulation
and
obstructions
to
video
traffic.
We
also
don't
have
anything.
A
That
price
is
traditionally
on
taken
on
by
the
developer,
not
by
the
governing
body
or
by
the
city
and
that's
directly
required
by
the
fire
code.
As
far
as
my
understanding
he's
been
via
the
fire
department,
so
he
is,
he
is
working
on
that.
I
believe
he's
working
on
getting
something
together
to
ensure
that
any
future
developments,
including
any
bigger
developments,
that
we
may
have
install
more
robust
infrastructure
to
assist
with
our
communications
and
not
just
the
lowest
tier
that
I
threw
that
might
be
required.
A
That's
definitely
good
news
and
bad
news
right.
Yes,
sir,
and
and
you
know
we
have
an
older
city
and
and
and
we're
looking
at
a
lot
of
things,
and
so
that's
great
that
we're
going
to
try
to
fix
those
I'm
sure
their
insurance
company
of
the
building
would
probably
probably
be
very
interested
to
know
like
why
there
wasn't
any
of
those
that
equipment
installed.
A
So
thank
you
for
the
report.
I'm
hoping
that
you
know
we
can
look
at
you
know
collaboration
with
with
the
county.
It
seems
like
if
all
the
other
cities
are
having
the
same
similar
problem
of
having
to
make
this
switch.
San
bruno's,
geography
you
know
is
is
is
what
it
is
and-
and
we
kind
of
work
with
that,
but
I
do
appreciate
your
hard
work
and-
and
I
look
forward
to
these
solutions.
A
Thank
you.
We're
gonna
go
to
council
council
member
hamilton,
but
if
you
don't
mind,
I
was
gonna
call
the
city
manager
first
to
see
if
he
had
additional
stuff
he'd
like
to
add
thanks.
Thank
you
mayor.
I
just
want
to
touch
on
development.
I
was
sort
of
waiting
for
this
comment
because
I
knew
someone
was
gonna
ask
how
are
we
gonna
fund
this,
but
because
we
were
talking
about
development?
A
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
it
is
important
to
note
that
the
city
council's
actions
to
approve
development
impact
fees
can
help
as
a
funding
sources,
as
well
as
the
community
benefit
packages
that
we've
already
negotiated
with
with
and
have
approved
development
agreements,
and
so
the
whole
conversation
out
repeaters
or
not.
A
The
only
solution
is
totally
accurate,
but
I
just
want
council
to
know
that
your
your
prior
actions
are
likely
gonna
provide
significant
funding
for
this
important
sort
of
must-needed
infrastructure
improvement
that
we
have
to
undertake.
A
Mr
mayor,
yes
councilman
medina
yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
with
that.
That's
that's
a
great
point
from
our
city
manager.
Also,
this
cost
to
the
city
probably
wasn't
included
in
the
determination
of
those
impact
fees.
So
we
may
need
to
look
at
that
and
and
make
sure
that
we
can
provide
that
correct.
A
You
know
I
actually
have
the
final
report
here
and
we'll
skim
at
it.
As
we
were
talking
again,
I
don't
actually
have
the
details
in
front
of
me.
Certainly,
vehicles
and
equipment
are
included
in
the
in
the
public
safety
side
how
much
for
radios
we
can
delve
down
deeper
into
but
yeah.
I
I
would
say
it's
a
safe
bet
that
the
three
of
the
five
million
dollar
number
was
not
included.
A
The
high
point
about
development
impact
fees
is
that
you
have
to
do
a
nexus
study
and,
and
then,
through
your
nexus
study,
you
can
add
in
additional
equipment
whether
you
replace
it
or
not.
So
that's
fun.
Thank
you,
councilmember
hamilton.
A
So
thank
you
very
much
for
the
presentation.
The
one
quick
question
about
about
crestmore-
and
I
guess
this
kind
of
is
just
kind
of
a
technical
question-
our
our
current
facilities
and
their
potential,
potentially
where
new
equipment
would
go,
are
those
cola
co-located
with
where
the
cell
companies
have
their
equipment
at
prestomar,
or
is
that
or
these
these
facilities
on
the
cresmar
building
or
or
elsewhere
on
the
property?
A
This
facility
is
actually
on
or
inside
the
crescent
hyper
building?
We
we
discovered
yes
on
it,
so
it
will
be,
it
will
be
going
down.
It
will
go
away.
Okay,
because
I
figured
I
mean
obviously
there's
going
to
be
there's
going
to
be
lots
of
changes
there,
but
I
can't
imagine
the
cell
companies
trying
to
give
up
their
towers
that
are
up
there.
A
Definitely
and
to
add
to
your
question
there
or
to
kind
of
add
to
add
to
that
in
this
redesign,
we
are
looking
to
completely
eliminate
reliance
on
private
parties,
including
schools.
A
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
place
our
equipment
on
city-owned
property.
We
know
the
condition
of
it
that
we
know
there's
not
two
inches
of
water,
that
we
know
there
wasn't
almost
fired
over.
Like
was
the
case
over
in
el
crystal,
without
our
knowledge,
based
on
lack
of
information
from
our
vendor,
so
that
those
real
contingencies
are
definitely
gonna
be
put
into
into
place
here.
If
we
implement
this
plan
got
it.
My
next
question
is
probably
a
silly
one,
but
I
just
I.
A
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
understanding
that
this
is
this
is
a
project
that
we
need
to
do
all
at
once.
This
isn't
something
that
we
could
do
in
phases
or
whatever
to
start
the
costs
out
because
of
the
interoperability
piece
of
it.
You
know
you
have
to
have
everybody
on
the
same
system
is
that
is
that
the
case?
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
understanding
that
go
ahead.
B
I
was
going
to
say
that
that
that
is
actually
something
that's
being
considered
council
member
hamilton
is:
can
there
be
phases
so
far?
It
appears
that
it
would
probably
end
up
actually
costing
a
lot
more
to
fade
it
because
the
different
components
feed
into
one
another,
but
we're
not
done
with
that
analysis
right,
which
is
why
the
idea
tonight
was
just
to
give
an
overview.
But
that
is
a
very
very
on
point
question
that
we
would
plan
to
bring
you
more
info
on
in
subsequent
presentations.
B
A
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that.
I
guess
the
only
other
comment
that
I
have
is
that
the
in
terms
of
looking
for
funding-
I
don't
know
if
there's
any,
if
there,
if
there
are
other
departments
in
the
county
outside
of
the
sheriff's
department,
I
would
imagine
that
are
in
the
same
boat
I
mean.
Is
it?
A
Is
it
possible,
maybe
the
band
together
and
go
to
the
county
for
potentially
looking
for
looking
for
funding
something
some
something
tells
me
that
the
sheriff's
department
doesn't
have
any
problem
funding
any
of
this,
but
I
just
wonder.
B
So
we're
working
very
hard
on
that
front
now,
and
I
won't
go
into
great
detail
in
the
interest
of
time,
but
we'll
tell
you
that
county
and
it's
not
the
sheriff's
office
right,
but
county
communications
has
already
basically
built
the
infrastructure
for
the
system
that
we
need
to
run
all
this
on.
They
need
to
upgrade
it.
There
needs
to
be
a
move
from
phase
one
to
phase
two
right.
B
Oliver
is
the
terminology
for
them,
but
it
exists
already
and
we
could
pay
a
subscription
fee
to
go
onto
their
system
we're
trying
to
get
that
information
from
the
new
director
over
there.
So
I
won't
speak
disparagingly
about
we've
been
asking
for
that
information
for
two
years,
but
there's
a
new
sheriff
in
town
over
there
and
he's
committed
to
trying
to
get
us
the
information
we
need
to
go
on
that
system.
B
A
Great,
thank
you
very
much
vice
very
mason
yeah.
So
a
couple
of
comments,
the
first
one
is.
I
just
want
to
thank
the
pd
staff
for
handling
this
in-house,
similar
to
what
I
said
by
the
fire
department.
I
think
it's
greatly
appreciated
not
just
for
cost,
but
I've
always
felt
that
the
institutional
knowledge
we
get
to
keep
and
it's
it's
really
quite
beneficial
to
own
that
information.
So
thank
you.
Oliver
and
everybody
else
who's
been
working
on
on
this
particular
project.
A
I
just
want
to
share
out
loud
some
of
my
thoughts
and
balancing
this
particular
item
that
I'm
sure
will
come
to
us
at
a
later
time
for
approval,
and
that
is
really
balancing
the
the
argument
that
I
think
a
couple
of
us
have
made
as
newer
council.
Members
of
the
frustration
around,
for
example,
deferred
maintenance
in
the
city
and
the
longevity
of
why
it
hasn't
been
addressed.
Why
hasn't
been
prioritized?
A
But
I
balance
that,
with
the
hours
of
presentations
that
I've
sat
through
telling
us
how
wonderful
the
sbpd
responded-
and
I
want
to
be
clear-
I'm
not
questioning
that.
I
think
the
work
that
is
done
by
our
police
and
all
police
officers
is
amazing,
but
the
response
to
such
catastrophe
is
like
the
youtube
shooting
and
the
crestmore
explosion,
and
that
was
done
without
a
command
center.
It
was
done
without
new
vehicles
that
we
approved
last
year.
A
It
was
done
without
new
guns
that
we
approved
in
the
last
two
months,
and
it
was
also
done
without
what's
being
requested
tonight,
and
so
when
I
think
about
the
presentation
that
was
given
and
provided-
and
I
think
about
you
know,
when
you
talk
about
kind
of
the
darkness,
it
makes
me
think
about
rolling
wood
right.
We've
got
a
city
who
we
have
recently
found
out
needs.
A
A
certain
part
of
our
city
needs
about
five
million
dollars
of
work
so
that
they
have
lights
that
are
functional
and
we
can
count
on
and
it
it's
a
balancing-
and
I
think
you
all
knew
this
coming
into
this
presentation,
but
I
just
want
to
say
that
this
is
a
really
difficult
position
to
be
placed
in,
because
the
information
that
we
have
been
receiving
has
been
that
the
apd
has
been
skimly
resourced,
and
I
don't
disagree
with
that,
which
is
why
this
council
has
approved
every
request
for
the
last
few
years
that
has
come
to
us.
A
But
at
what
point
are
we
gonna?
Do
we
look
at
and
say?
Do
we
really
need
this
year
versus
lights
and
rolling
wood,
or
is
it
something
that
is
prioritized
next
year?
And
so
I
just
I
don't
know
where
I
am
right
now,
I'm
just
thinking
out
loud,
and
I
just
want
to
share
that.
That's
kind
of
my
my
concern
in
what
I'm
balancing
out.
A
I
also
want
to
say
that
the
I
would
really
like
to
see
this
looked
at
holistically,
meaning
you
know.
We've
received
a
presentation
from
chief
delay
recently
about
a
grant
that
he
received
to
pay
for
like
new
some
new
radios
and
such
in
his
department
and
because
the
fire
and
police
work
so
closely
together
and
really
the
fire
is
often
and
as
if
I
understand
this
correctly.
Please
do
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
also
includes
a
number
of
paramedics
that
are
the
person
listening
to
for
life
safety
issues.
A
A
B
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
mayor,
just
first
of
all
count
vice
mayor
mason
that
very
appropriate
comments.
Right
like
it's.
Why
your
guys
job
is
so
unenviable
is
because
it's
easy
for
me
to
just
represent
what
I
need
for
the
police
department
and
then
you
have
to
sit
there
and
think,
there's
only
so
much
pie
and
how
do
I
cut
up
the
pie
to
accommodate
all
the
things
that
need
to
be
accomplished?
So,
please,
don't
think
that's
lost
on
me.
I
totally
understand
it
and
I
don't
envy
those
decisions.
B
B
So
we
don't
get
in
trouble
and
when
that
number
came
in
as
high
as
it
did
in
our
initial
quotes
from
some
of
these
vendors
to
fix
everything
else
was
not
astronomically
more
than
that
is
when
we
started
to
explore
what
else
we
could
do
and
then
in
that
process
we
uncovered
these.
We
were
trusting
a
vendor
for
a
very
long
time
and
it's
very
evident
that
that
was
misplaced
and
we
uncovered
a
bunch
of
issues.
We
weren't
aware
of
that.
Now
it
looks
more
emergent
to
need
to
fix
those
in
the
immediate
beyond
that.
B
We
had
almost
200
on
scene
and
we
couldn't
communicate
with
90
of
them
and,
as
a
result,
in
the
middle
of
trying
to
sweep
a
building
for
potential
additional
shooters,
we
had
to
take
up
almost
30
minutes
the
radio
traffic
time
to
have
a
dispatcher.
Do
a
roll
call
for
every
single
officer
that
had
responded
to
these.
So
we
knew
where
they
were,
what
they
were
doing
and
could
put
them
on
our
command
board,
and
it
was
one
of
the
major
outcomes
again
like
right.
B
We
were
told
in
2001
to
fix
this
and
we
didn't,
and
then
here
we
are,
are
doing
an
after
action.
You
know
16
years
later,
17
years
later
and
we're
having
the
same
problems,
because
we
haven't
fixed
what
they
told
us
to
fix
so
yeah.
I
do
think
we
handled
those
scenarios
pretty
well,
but
I
can
also
tell
you
the
pipeline
explosion.
B
B
Our
needs
are
actually
very,
very
different
when
it
comes
to
communications,
not
the
least
of
which
is
created
by
the
fact
that
they
use
a
county
dispatching
entity
that
we
don't
use
and
that,
if
you
notice
not
all
firefighters
have
radios
right,
they
go
to
incident
and
they
have
a
battalion
chief
and
then
a
couple
designated
folks
communicating
on
the
radio
they're,
not
using
it
as
their
minute
to
minute
lifeline.
The
way
that
we
are
is
there
is
there
more
to
that
oliver.
I
know
you've
spoken
to
arie
engaged
quite
a
bit
on
this.
A
Of
me
with
that
thought,
so
that
has
actually
been
in
place
in
my
kind
of
parameters
for
going
forward.
Initially
was
how
can
we
communicate
with
our
fire
department
and
we
are
limited
to
the
fact
that
they
operate
in
their
own
for
lack
of
a
better
term
continuality
of
operations.
They
are
intertwined
with
county
dispatch
who
dispatches
them
they're
intertwined
with
south
san
francisco
fire
central
county
fire
are
neighboring
entities
for
auto
aid,
so
if
milibra
fire
is
tapped
out,
our
fire
department
immediately
goes
over
there
and
vice
versa.
A
All
those
agreements
are
in
place
and
they'll
communicate
with
each
other.
What
really
struck
me
as
we
went
into
this
project
in
the
interest
of
time,
I
won't
get
too
technical
and
bore
you
guys
is
the
fire
department
and
the
county
radio
system,
which
is
completely
independent
of
ours.
A
A
The
fire
department
can
switch
to
our
system
and
continue
to
maintain
communications
and
provide
service
to
san
bruno
as
we
will
be
on
an
island,
as
I'm
sure,
every
other
city
will
be
in
the
immediate
hours
after
a
disaster
of
that
kind
of
scale,
and
be
able
to
maintain
adequate
communications
and
dispatching.
So
our
dispatchers
would
actually
be
able
to
talk
to
our
fire
trucks
and
firefighters
and
direct
them
where
they
might
need
to
go,
which
no
other
city
and
no
other
entity
here.
In
san
mateo
county
has
that
in
place.
A
Unfortunately,
so
it's
you
definitely
hit
it
right
on
the
head
and
having
that
foresight
to
think
about
something
like
that
is
something
that
we've
been
exploring
and
in
talking
to
some
of
my
colleagues
in
other
cities
they
go.
We
can't
do
that
already
thought
about
really
yet
until
it
happens
and
we've
been
blessed,
the
last
20
or
30
years,
not
having
and
we've
had
our
our
disasters
definitely
but
having
disasters
that
knock
out
communications
and
and
the
ability
for
a
city
to
provide
adequate
public
safety
services.
A
In
my
historical
readings
I
would
say,
maybe
the
last
major
earthquake
would
have
been
a
1989
earthquake
or
something
like
that
happened.
So
if
I
can
answer
any
more
questions
or
provide
technical
feedback
or
anything
like
that,
I'm
I'm
always
available.
I'm
in
their
live
talk
radios
and
you
get
right
on
the
head
with
that.
Okay,
great,
thank
you.
I'll,
probably
ask
some
more
questions
offline,
just
to
get
some
intricacies,
but
I
did
just
my
comment
on
the
chief's
comment.
A
It
shouldn't
be
difficult
for
you
to
bring
an
item
that
is
needed
to
us.
It
should
be
our
difficult
decision
to
determine
how
we're
going
to
balance
them,
so
I
really
do
appreciate
the
time
and
effort
that's
been
put
to
this
and
the
understanding
of
how
difficult
this
decision
will
be
when
one
budget
time
comes
around.
So
I
look
forward
to
learning
more
about
about
what
we're
talking
about
and
how
everything
ties
in.
So
thank
you
to
everybody
who
worked
on
this
and
just
to
finish
it
up.
A
I
do
want
to
thank
ryan
oliver
jeremy
for
for
the
work
and
obviously
it's
great
that
you
can
do
it
in-house
and
that
you
have
talented
individuals.
It
also
means
those
are
other
things
that
aren't
getting
done
because
their
time
is
being
spent
here
and
the
detective
bureau
there's
a
lot
for
oliver
to
do
so
to
assist
our
community.
I
appreciate
that
you
did
bring
it
forward.
These
are
things
we
have
to
hear.
We
need
to
hear
one
of
my
things
is
always
preparedness.
A
One
of
those
things
when
I
got
elected
was
the
eoc
room
used
to
be
a
storage
room
at
the
bottom
of
city
hall,
and
I
was
admin
and
it
took
some
time
to
get
it
brought
up
to
speed
as
what
it
was
and
what
it
should
be,
what
it
is
today
and
then
it
did.
A
It
was
utilized
during
the
210
pipeline
explosion,
but
it
was
because
we
sent
the
time
the
money,
the
resources
and
we
were
then
prepared,
because
if
not,
we
would
have
been
in
a
big
sense
in
the
parking
lot,
but
led
to
us
by
the
counties
where
we
would
have
been
having
the
emergency
operations
center,
with
no
bathrooms,
with
no
kitchen,
with
a
refrigerator
and
and
being
able
to
do
what
we
need
to
do
so.
I
do
appreciate
you
bringing
this
forward.
These
are
things
we
have
to
hear.
We
need
to
hear
we.
A
A
But
again,
if
we're
running
on
luck,
I
don't
want
to
use
luck
as
the
tide.
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
prepared
so
with
that
city
managers
or
anything
else.
A
No,
I
just
want
to
thank
the
council
for
taking
the
time
we
know.
There's
a
lot
going
on
and
having
these
detailed
meetings,
so
you
can
dive
in
is
important
and
I
know
we'll
be
having
more
over
the
next
six
to
12
months.
So
thank
you
for
your
willingness
to
carve
out
time
for
these.
Thank
you
and
then
thank
you
to
the
staff
for
staying
longer
than
anticipated
and
just
as
an
fyi
personal
privilege,
cappuccino
won
their
girls
basketball
game
58
to
48.
They
move
on
to
the
next
the
round,
two.
A
A
So
with
that
we
will
go
ahead
and
adjourn
council
colleagues,
we
have
another
closed
session.
We
will
go
to
the
public
comment
portion.
Then,
when
we
go
to
our
closed
session,
I'm
going
to
ask
us
to
take
some
time,
so
people
can
get
up
stretch,
get
something
to
drink,
etc.
Okay,
so
this
meeting
is
adjourned
and
the
next
regular
city
council
meeting
will
be
held
on
march
8th
at
7pm.