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B
Yes,
we
are
thank
you
so
much
good
evening,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
san
bernardino
city
special
counsel,
meeting
of
march
29
2022
roll
call,
please,
council,
member
hamilton.
C
B
Us
public
comments
for
items
not
on
the
agenda.
We
have
a
study
session
tonight
on
various
items
other
than
that
is
there
any
members
of
the
public
that
wish
to
speak
at
this
time?
It's
not
excuse
me
not
on
the
agenda,
not
seeing
any.
At
this
time
we
will
move
on
to
our
business
at
hand,
which
is
a
study
session.
B
The
first
item
is
a
conduct
study
session
and
provide
direction
regarding
the
process
and
next
steps
to
become
a
charter
city,
and
I
think,
let's
our
city
manager
and
attorneys
say
different,
we'll
take
each
item,
one
by
one,
open
it
to
the
public
after
the
presentation
and
getting
questions
so
with
that
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
the
city
manager.
B
B
Okay,
thank
you
commander,
the
city
attorney,
and
I
will
do
this
presentation
jointly
and
the
city.
A
Attorney
has
the
first
component
so
mark
zachariah.
Thank
you
very
much
and
just
making
sure
that
everybody
can
hear
us
in
the
room
very
good.
All
right.
Well
welcome,
mr
mayor
members
of
the
city
council.
Tonight
we
have
a
study
session
to
discuss
a
variety
of
potential
ballot
items
for
the
november
2022
election
and
let's
now
note
that
our
control
isn't
working
okay,
okay,
great
thank
you
so
well.
A
So
without
any
further
ado.
Let's
talk
very
briefly
about
the
goals
for
tonight's
meeting,
which
are
to
first
of
all,
determine
whether
to
establish
a
city
charter
with
integral
commercial
real
estate
transfer
tax.
We've
talked
about
that
before
and
it's
been
on
the
city
council's
priority
initiatives
and
then
the
second
sub-topic
is
to
determine
whether
the
four
other
items
should
also
be
on
the
november
22
ballot,
or
should
they
be
integral
to
a
proposed
city
charter?
A
So
teachers
are
worth
a
thousand
words,
and
so
I'd
like
to
thank
the
city
manager's
office
for
helping
me
with
my
let's
just
say,
slightly
below
average
powerpoint
skills,
and
there
are
essentially
two
methods
to
address
the
issue
of
ballot
questions.
A
We
can
go
with
method
a
which
is
to
have
a
city
charter
with
a
commercial
property
transfer
tax
and
in
that
charter
also
propose
one
or
more
of
those
other
items
as
an
integral
part
of
the
charter
or
method
b,
which
is
to
put
a
relatively
simple
city
charter
on
the
ballot.
That
includes
a
commercial
property
transfer
tax
and
then
have
those
items
separately
outlined
as
separate
ballot
measures
for
the
public
to
vote
yes
or
no
on,
and
one
reason
why
you
might
want
to
consider
doing.
A
A
Just
based
on
that
one
issue,
as
opposed
to
perhaps
adopting
a
charter
with
a
transfer
tax
and
then
they're
free
to
vote
yes
or
no
on
those
other
items,
and
the
last
comment
I'll
make
about
this
slide
is
just
pause
to
note
that
this
will
become
clear
later
that
campaign
finance
regulations
are
not
matters
that
are
required
to
be
on
the
ballot.
So
the
city
council
has
the
inherent
authority
to
adopt
campaign
finance
regulations
locally
if
it
wishes
to
do
so.
A
The
other
matters-
a
city
charter,
the
transfer,
tax,
rotational,
mayor
and
term
limits
are
all
required
to
be
on
the
ballot
and
require
a
vote
of
the
people
and,
moreover,
the
alternative
voting
methods
that
were
discussed
at
a
recent
city
council
study
session
cannot
be
adopted
by
general
law
cities.
They
must
be
adopted
by
a
charter
city.
A
So,
let's
pause
for
just
a
moment
and
take
a
look
and
talk
very
briefly
about
establishing
a
city
charter.
So
what's
the
difference
and
in
essence
only
charter
cities
can
impose
the
real
property
transfer
tax.
There
are
other
differences
between
charter
cities
and
general
law
cities.
Those
differences
over
the
years
have
been
shrinking.
A
I
think,
as
you've
read
in
the
staff
report,
because
the
courts
have
found
that
matters
that
were
previously
determined
to
be
municipal
affairs
and
thus
amendable
to
a
charter
are
actually
matters
of
statewide
concern
and
I'm
using
air
quotes,
because
that's
really
what
the
tumors
are
municipal
affairs
versus
matters
of
statewide
concern
and
only
municipal
affairs
can
be-
can
be
dealt
with
in
a
city
charter.
So
what
might
those
things
be?
A
Well,
there
are
things
like
election
rules,
city,
council,
governance
contracts,
there's
some
differences
in
the
zoning
regulations
that
charter
cities
can
adopt.
A
So
it's
important
to
think
carefully
about
what's
in
your
charter
and
take
those
steps
carefully
and
when
do
deliberation.
A
What
the
city
of
el
cerino
did,
which
was
a
model
that
we
looked
at
at
city
council's
direction,
is
adopted
a
very
simple
charter.
It's
actually
about
four
pages
long
and
it
in
essence
includes
the
real
property
transfer
tax
and
a
couple
of
other
provisions
that
give
the
city
all
of
the
powers
of
a
charter
city,
while
also
saying
that
it's
to
follow
general
state
law
unless
it's
in
the
charter
and
so
that
sort
of
gave
them
the
best
of
both
worlds,
the
flexibility
to
adopt
a
shorter
attacks,
but
then
also
to
evolve.
A
There
are
a
couple
of
ways
to
propose
a
charter
to
the
voters
and
what
the
city
council
selected
is
to
draft
the
charter
itself,
and
that
requires
two
public
hearings
and
a
vote
of
the
people.
As
I
indicated
with
the
majority
vote
to
adopt
and
what
the
city
council
did,
that
is,
we
understood
it
was
to
develop
a
simple
charter
with
this
integrated
commercial,
real
property
transfer
tax.
A
So,
let's
pause
for
a
second
and
talk
about
that,
because
that's
really
the
the
main
topic
for
tonight's
discussion
about
city
charts.
So
what
is
a
real
property
transfer
tax?
Well,
it's
a
tax
on
the
sale
of
property
is
only
paid
when
property
is
sold.
It
can
be
negotiated
between
the
buyer
and
seller.
Just
like
everything
else
can
be.
It's
often
wrapped
up
into
the
loan
for
the
property.
A
But
there
are
a
couple
of
key
issues
for
the
city
council
to
discuss,
and
the
first
question
is:
what
is
the
definition
of
commercial
and
the
city
council
had
previously
directed
staff
to
exclude
residential
properties
from
the
tax,
and
that's
certainly
possible
for
the
city
council
to
do
there's
no
legal
reason
why
it
can't
do
that.
Although
I'll
note
that
no
other
cities
that
we've
been
able
to
find
who
have
this
tax
actually
make
that
distinction.
A
A
Thank
you
mark
you
better.
I
guess
I
can
say
good
evening
good
evening,
city
council,
I'll,
take
us
through,
as
mark
said,
a
few
slides
with
respect
to
definition
of
commercial
property
as
well
as
potential
tax
rates.
I
just
want
to
go
back
really
quick
to
something
that
the
city
attorney
said,
because
I
think
the
spirit
of
it
is
true,
but
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
don't
think
that
council
directed
us
to
not
include
residential
properties.
A
I
think
that
there
was
a
discussion
around
having
the
tax
be
centered
on
commercial
properties,
but
we
really
never
delved
down
into
the
definition
of
commercial
and-
and
I
I
remember
conversations
around
exclusions
of
single-family
homes,
for
example,
and
so
what
we
want
to
do
right
now
is
to
delve
down
a
little
bit
more
deeply
into
how
commercial
property
is
defined
and
really
the
casual
definition
of
commercial
property
is
property
that
retains
that
produces
income
for
its
owner.
A
There
are
commercial
property
brokers
that
sell
residential
real
estate,
and
so
a
types
of
commercial
property
in
general
are
shown
on
the
screen
and
so
that
your
office
building
hotel,
a
retail
structure,
industrial
property,
you
know,
think
of
a
warehouse
or
light
manufacturing.
Building
multi-family
housing
complex,
should
really
be
distinguished
from
an
apartment.
Complex
versus
a
condo.
A
condo
complex
where
individual
units
are
sold
is
not
commercial
property
that
is
typically
residential,
real
estate.
However,
you
could
have
the
same.
A
Maybe
single
family
homes,
maybe
duplexes,
and
there
may
even
be
some
streets
that
are
dedicated
that
are
built
and
then
dedicated
to
the
city,
but
think
of
a
larger
development
and
a
larger
transaction
and
vacant
property
is
oftentimes,
considered
commercial
property,
efficient
commercial
zone,
and
so
while
we
have
yet
to
define
for
the
purposes
of
a
potential
commercial
property
transfer
taxa,
what
commercial
is
we
did
want
to
prepare
a
tax
simulation
simulation
analysis,
and
so
we
did
that
and
we
picked
the
definition,
and
I
just
want
to
highlight
that
we
use
the
definition
of
that
shown
and
the
only
difference
between
these
five
items
that
I
went
through
now
is
that
we
peg
a
multi-family
housing
complex
as
a
complex
that
has
five
units
or
greater.
A
That
council
has
the
discretion
to
change
that.
But
in
preparing
that
financial
analysis,
we
wanted
to
have
a
definition,
and
we
just
picked
that
as
a
starting
point.
A
First
we'd
say:
are
we
exempting
residential
property
either
all
or
in
part?
And
there
are
a
number
of
various
ways
to
do
that.
We
can
simply
only
accept
single-family
homes.
The
city
council
could
accept
single-family
homes
and
duplexes
with
a
component.
There
is,
is
there
an
owner-occupied
exemption,
for
example,
if
a
duplex
sold,
but
both
of
the
units
were
rental
units
and
it
wasn't
owner
occupied?
Would
that
be
subject
to
the
commercial
property
transfer
tax?
Or
would
you
provide
for
that
duplex
to
be
exempted?
A
A
Also,
you
could
simply
just
have
a
owner
occupied
extension,
and
so
you
would
not
specify
type,
but
if
the
property
is
owner
occupied,
it
is
except
from
the
track,
the
transfer
tax,
and
if
you
chose
that
option,
you'd,
probably
just
call
transfer
tax,
not
a
commercial
property
transfer
tax,
because
at
that
point
a
single
family
home
would
sell.
But
if
it
wasn't
occupied,
it
would
be
subject
to
the
tax.
A
Additionally,
a
I
probably
would
say
equally
common
method
would
be
to
pick
a
threshold
either
for
residential
properties
or
all
properties,
and
by
threshold
I
mean
financial
threshold.
So
you
can
take,
for
example,
as
shown
there
in
the
first
bullet,
an
exemption
for
residential
property
sales
under
3
million
for
an
exemption
for
all
property
sales
under
3
billion,
or
an
exemption
where
you
stratify
that
and
you
have
a
price
for
residential
property
and
potentially
a
second
price
for
all
of
all
other
properties.
A
A
Also,
there's
a
there's,
a
probably
a
small
price
for
counseling
people
at
home,
but
we
just
wanted
to
note
that
other
common
property
tax
exemptions
such
that
those
that
are
available
for
religious
governmental
properties
would
apply.
What
we're
really
talking
about
is
what
would
be
those
localized
exemptions
that
council
would
specify
in
the
potential
development.
A
Now,
if
we
turn
to
potential
property
transfer
tax
rates
in
order
to
provide
a
benchmarking
analysis
of
what
are
the
transfer
tax
rates
that
other
cities
have,
we
really
looked
at
the
bay
area
and
we
picked
21
cities
in
the
bay
area
or
we
found
21
cities
in
the
bay
area
that
have
a
transfer
tax.
I
would
not
say
that
this
is
all
the
cities
there.
A
There
very
well
may
be
more
in
the
san
francisco
bay
area
that
have
a
property
transfer
tax,
but
we're
able
to
identify
21,
and
I
think
it's
a
pretty
good
sampling,
and
so
you
have
that
as
an
attachment
to
the
staff
report.
A
For
this
analysis
now
it's
a
transfer
tax
fluctuates
with
the
economy,
and
so
it's
very
susceptible
to
economic
swings,
and
so
revenue
in
one
year
may
be
drastically
different
from
revenue
in
another
year,
in
particular
any
economic
cycle
where
the
interest
rate
is
affected.
Either
interest
rates
going
low,
you
may
have
more
property
sales
or
interest
rates
going
very
high.
You
may
have
fewer
property
sales,
can
impact
transfer,
tax
revenue,
and
so,
in
order
to
provide
an
estimate.
A
We
didn't
want
to
make
an
estimate
prospectively,
because
if
we
could
pick
when
the
downturn,
the
economy
happened,
we'd
be
on
wall
street,
of
making
a
ton
of
money,
and
so
we
wanted
to
do
a
backward
look.
And
so
we
looked
at
actual
sales
in
the
city
of
san
bruno
for
the
past
five
years
and
we
come
and
we
ran
that
analysis
against
the
transfer
tax
models
in
those
21
cities,
and
so
depending
on
the
model
that
is
picked.
The
city
had
a
transfer
tax
been
in
place.
A
The
city
could
have
received
a
range
of
61
000
a
year
to
an.
B
B
There
are
various
tax
structures,
a
simple
percentage
or
a
tier
rate
based
on
price,
and
so
the
range
for
those
that
had
a
simple
percentage
rate.
It
really
ranged
from
0.55
percent
up
to
1.3,
and
then
there
were
a
number
of
cities
that
had
a.
A
San
francisco
and
san
jose
and
depending
on
the
value
of
the
sale,
a
different
rate
applied,
and
I
won't
go
through
all
of
these,
but,
for
example,
the
city
of
richmond.
Under
a
million
dollars,
the
transfer
tax
was
0.7
between
1
million
to
3
million.
A
The
transfer
tax
rate
was
1.25
between
3
to
10
million
2.5
and
over
10
million
three
percent
I'll
highlight
that
the
highest
rate
in
all
of
these
five
cities
is
three
percent
richmond
and
san
jose
have
that
threshold
at
anything
above
10
million
and
then
san
francisco.
A
Anything
above
25
million
is
charged
at
two
percent,
and
I
would
say,
the
san
francisco
has
more
of
a
tiered
range
of
six
different
categories
and
oakland
has
a
similar
four
different
categories,
but
I'm
starting
at
300
000
or
up
to
300
000,
with
lowest
rate
in
where
san
francisco
anything
over
a
hundred
thousand.
But
what
you
can
see
from
this
is
that
there
are
various
different
ways
to
structure
the
analysis,
I'll
turn
it
back
to
our
city
attorney.
A
One
of
the
topics
that
came
up
at
fire
city
council
meetings
is
whether
the
city
should
also
consider
instituting
what
we
refer
to
as
an
alternative
voting
method
for
council
member
elections.
So
what
does
that
mean?
Well,
general
law.
Cities
are
required
to
use
plurality,
voting,
which
simply
means
that
the
highest
vote
getter
wins.
So
if
there
is
one
person
running
for
office
well,
they
win
automatically.
A
There
are
two
people,
the
highest
vote.
Getter
wins
if
there
are
three
people
the
same
so
on
and
so
forth.
A
However,
charter
cities
are
authorized
under
state
law
to
implement
an
alternative
method
such
as
ranked
choice,
voting
approval,
voting
or
variance
of
those
voting
methods,
and
you
heard
about
those
at
your
last
study
session,
so
the
city
council
did
receive
a
presentation
on
those,
and
one
of
the
takeaways
from
that
presentation
is
that
those
methods
may
only
produce
different
results
or
only
would
produce
different
results
if
there
are
more
than
two
candidates
running
for
any
given
seat,
because,
obviously,
if
there
are
only
two
candidates
running
or
fewer,
then
all
of
those
methods
end
up
with
the
same
candidate
being
the
winner.
A
So
a
question
for
the
city
council
to
ask
themselves
is
to
identify
what
reasons
would
the
city
have
to
consider
those
alternative
voting
methods,
and
that
would
help
the
city
council
determine
which
of
those
methods
to
cite
because
they
can
be
complicated
to
evaluate
depending
on
circumstances
and
in
addition
to
that,
one
of
the
things
that
staff
has
not
done
is
obtaining
information
from
accounting
to
determine
what
methods
could
be
implemented
and
at
what
cost.
A
I
think
you
heard
in
the
presentation
that
the
county
has
to
be
on
board,
so
to
speak
with
the
institution
of
those
alternative
voting
methods
in
order
to
properly
conduct
the
election.
A
So
for
the
city
council,
one
of
the
other
tasks
for
tonight
is
to
determine
if
the
charter
should
include
a
feature
such
as
alternative
voting
methods
or
some
of
the
or
all
of
the
other
initiatives
in
the
staff
report
and,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
it's
important
for
the
city
council
to
consider
the
effect
on
the
potential
success
of
the
charter
city
measure
and
that
integral
tax,
if
you
include
alternative
voting
methods
and
or
those
other
features
as
part
of
the
charter.
A
So
the
last
slide
for
the
city
charter
discussion
is
a
slide
with
four
basic
questions
on
it
and
if
I
might
suggest
we'll
we'll
keep
that
slide
up,
so
everybody
can
look
at
it
for
a
few
minutes
and
once
the
city
council
chooses
to
take
a
public
comment,
I
don't
know
if
there
are
members
of
the
public
here
at
the
meeting.
But
if
there
are
some
now
would
be
a
good
time
to
perhaps
take
some
public
comments
and
then
have
the
city
council
provide
direction
for
staff.
A
Do
you
want
a
turner
with
an
integral
real
property
transfer
tax
and
if
so,
what's
the
definition
of
that
of
commercial
property,
as
the
city
manager
indicated,
and
then
the
third
question
would
be?
Should
the
charter
include
some
or
all
of
these
other
provisions
and
then
finally
provide
some
direction
regarding
the
potential
structure
of
the
tax
of
the
tax,
as
indicated
above
so
I'll
pause
now
with
everybody's
ascent
and
see.
B
Thank
you
city
attorney,
thank
you
city
manager
and,
as
the
city
attorney
said,
let's
see
if
they're
members
of
the
public
that
would
wish
to
speak
on
the
which
is
being
asked
for
council
direction,
and
there
are
four
items
and
if
you
can
raise
your
virtual
hand
at
this
time
would
be
very
much
appreciated
and
then
we'll
go
ahead
and
ask
the
city
clerk
if
she
can
assist
and
bring
the
folks
in.
Please.
D
D
Yeah,
okay
and
I
so
I
am
really
pleased
to
see
the
city
considering
this.
I
know
I've
talked
with
many
of
you
individually.
I
I
think
chartering
is
a
good
direction
to
go.
It
gives
us
the
opportunity
to
take
control
over
more
aspects
of
our
our
city,
governance
and
diversify
our
revenue
base
so
kudos
to
the
council
for
putting
this
on
the
agenda.
D
I
think
the
I
know
some
council
members
have
been
in
favor
of
getting
rid
of
the
citywide
mayor,
which
I
think
is
a
bad
idea
in
terms
of
sort
of
the
sense
of
government
legitimacy
that
there
is
value
to
having
somebody
chair
our
council
meetings,
even
if,
ultimately,
their
vote
is
first
among
equals
that
having
somebody
who,
in
an
official
way
in
a
direct
way
is
elected
by
all
of
us,
is
a
good
principle
and
on
top
of
that,
having
just
gone
through
districting.
B
I
really
apologize
for.
We
do
have
that
on
the
agenda
right
now.
This
is
just
in
regards
to
providing
the
next
step
on
steps
for
charter
city,
but
I
guess
maybe
encompassing
all
that
with
it.
I
guess
it
should
be
in
the
charter,
so.
D
Unless
we
did
abolish
districts
entirely,
which
is
a
separate
topic
which
you
know
we
could
go
to
a
proportional
representation
system
and
then
we
would
never
have
to
pay
for
districts
again,
but
moving
to
the
rotating
mayorship
with
while
still
districted
we'd
incur.
I
don't
know
whatever
hundreds
of
thousands
in
new
expenses,
which
seems
like
a
bad
town
anyway.
That's
that's
what
I
had
to
say.
Sorry,
if
I
I
joined
a
little
late,
so
I
may
have
missed
what
the
intended
scope
was.
B
No
thank
you
very
much
for
your
comments
and
certainly
if,
when
the
topics
come
up
that
are
of
interest,
please
feel
free
to
chime
in
again,
we'd
appreciate
it
next
speaker
base.
B
We
currently
have
no
other
hands
raised,
okay
with
no
other
hands
on
the
question
of
the
charter
city
direction
by
staff,
and
there
are
four
items.
Thank
you
very
much,
and
maybe
we
can
open
it
for
comments
from
colleagues
council,
member
hamilton.
B
So
should
we
ask
questions
on
all
four
things
or
are
we
gonna
proceed
to
them?
One
by
one,
excellent
question,
mr
mayor,
please
say
manager,
questions
on
the
the
first
part
of
this
presentation,
which
is
mainly
about
the
charter,
development
and
commercial
property
transfer
tax.
There
are
several
and
distinct
presentations
around
elected
mayor
term
limits
campaign,
finance
reform
and
we
have
a
question
with
regard
to.
A
Alternative
voting
mechanisms.
Does
the
city
council
wish
to
have
that
included
in
staff
to
do
more
work
on
that?
But
right
now,
charter
and
commercial
property
transfer
tax
got
it
okay.
So
so
I
do
have
a
question
on
the
transfer
tax
information.
First
of
all,
I'm
here
sorry,
I
could.
I
could
claim
all
kinds
of
different
different
reasons
of
technical
difficulties,
but
the
volume
on
my
computer
was
turned
down
and
I
was
reading
the
the
staff
work
so
going
back
over
it
again.
A
So
my
apologies
to
my
question
is
there
was
a
mention
of
exemptions
for
government
property
that
are
that
are
standard.
Does
that
include
school
property?
So,
for
example,
the
district
were
to
sell
the
property.
Would
that
be
automatically
included
from
anything
that
we
would
do.
A
Proper
tax,
so
council
member
hamilton,
we
will
look
into
that.
Yes,
the
typical
exemption
applies
for
the
government
exemption
applies
to
school
property.
I
think
the
question
is
if
a
school
is
selling
a
property
for
profit
and
not
acquiring
property
for
their
own
use
and
their
attacks
upon
that,
we
can't
answer
that
question
right
now,
but
in
general
the
government
exemption
does
apply
to
schools.
A
B
Go.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
councilwoman
hamilton,
thank
you
for
asking
kind
of
the
the
process
through
this
councilwoman
medina.
A
Yes,
first
of
all,
I
wanted
to
thank
staff
for
bringing
these
items
to
us.
It
we're
trying
to
get
a
lot
done
and-
and
with
that
said,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
move
forward
with
the
charter
that
is
simple
as
possible
to
make
sure
that
we
get.
The
main
thing
that
I
think
san
bruno
needs
is
the
revenue
side
of
things.
A
We
can
do
that
by
keeping
the
charter
super
simple
and
the
rest
of
the
items
that
can
go
to
the
voters
go
to
the
voters,
but
I
don't
want
to
get
too
far
ahead.
So
I'm
interested
with
moving
forward
with
the
charter
with
the
real
property
transfer
tax.
B
E
Yeah,
thank
you
for
bringing
this
up.
I
was
actually
just
watching
the
2020
meeting
when
this
was
originally
presented.
I
I
wanted
to
ask
just
some
questions
around
the
this
particular
item.
So
if
we
move
forward
with
this
now
in
this,
in,
I
think
every
staff
report
there's
a
discussion
around
an
extra
item
is
ten
thousand
dollars.
E
E
A
Would
be
an
extra
approximately
ten
thousand
dollars
if
all
of
those
items
or
some
of
them
were
included
in
a
charter?
The
charter
is
one
ballot
measure,
so
there
would
be
a
small
savings
in
terms
of
placing
additional
items
on
the
ballot.
Also,
though,
do
keep
in
mind,
the
information
we
received
is
is
already
old.
It's
a
couple
of
weeks
old
and.
E
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
another
question
was
about
the
number
that
we
saw
in
the
staff
report,
and
tonight
also
is
the
67
000
to
the
2.7
million.
Does
that
include
the
300
million
dollar
sales
price
for
tan
fran
or
the
90
million
sales
price
for
amazon.
A
E
A
No
so
on,
I
believe
it's
appendix
attachment
two
to
the
staff
report,
there's
a
matrix
that
we
can.
If
it
is
up,
I
can
share
a
screen.
Can
I
have
it
here
on
my
laptop
too,
if
you
have
the
page,
okay,
yeah,
it's
an
attachment
to
the
staff
report.
Now
this
is
very,
very
small
that
I
was
so
bad,
but
what
I,
what
I
just
want
to
show
is:
we
take
a
look
at
all
21
cities
and
we
have
their
tax
model
and
then,
for
each
of
the
last
five
years
running
their
tax
model.
A
In
the
background
against
our
actual
commercial
property
transaction
sales,
we
have
the
amount
of
tax
that
the
city
of
san
bruno
would
ever
see,
and
then
we
have
the
average
for
those
buyers,
and
so
the
the
range
comes
from
the
average
and
so
because
we
transfer
taxes,
as
we
talked
about
highly
dependent
on
on
the
economy
and
sales
transactions,
for
example.
A
If
we
just
look
at
this
one
column
here
for
running
the
piedmont
model
of
the
city
of
piedmont
over
the
last
five
years,
the
low
would
be
127
000,
the
high
would
be
4.2
million
and
the
average
would
be
1.4
million,
and
so
the
number
will
fluctuate
every
year
based
on
transactions
and
then
the
highest
model.
A
The
city
of
richmond
their
their
tax
model,
which
does
a
3
over
10
million
dollars.
And
so,
if
we
had
the
city
of
richmond's
model
implemented,
the
average
would
have
been
2.7
million.
And
so
there
are
a
number
of
transactions
embedded
in
here
and
and
just
the
the
five-year
look.
E
off
the
top,
I
can't
remember
which
one,
but
I
believe
the
amazon
transaction
is
in
21
and
then
there
were
a
youtube
transaction
when
they
purchased
the
901
cherry
properties
as
well,
and
so
we
can
find
those
out.
But
there
were
some
very
large
transactions
that
happened
in
the
last
five
years
and
that's
what's
really
driving
these
numbers.
E
Okay
and
then
I
wanted
to
ask:
oh
so
there's
a
distinction
between
the
documentary
transfer
tax
versus
the
real
property
transfer
tax,
so
the
documented
transfer
tax
is
the
general
law
and
then
the
real
property
tax
is
a
charter
and
then
there's
a
reference
to
the
municipal
code,
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
I'm
understanding
this,
or
is
the
city
currently
charging
this
this
property?
This
well
called
the
documentary
transfer
tax
and
is
it
possible
to
raise
that
without
a
charter.
A
No,
so
the
answer
to
your
questions
are
yes
and
no
of
the,
so
the
city
does
charge
that
tax.
It
is
the
maximum
rate
that
the
city
can
levy
for
the
documentary,
a
stamp
transfer
tax
and
there
is
no
ability
for
either
a
general
lost
city
or
a
charter
city
to
raise
that
particular
tax.
What
the
charter
city
does
for
you
is
allows
you
to
levy
a
different
tax.
E
Which
is
similarly
named
so
it's
confusing,
but
that's
the
real
property
transfer
tax
and
that's
what
you
get
as
a
charter
city,
okay,
and
then
that
that
then
does
what.
So,
let's
assume
that
we
move
forward
with
a
charter
city,
the
charter
city,
and
we
have,
let's
just
say
we
have
a
real
property
tax.
What
happens
to
the
documentary
transfer
tax
at
that
time?
E
So
I
I
believe
that
tax
is
subsumed
into
the
real
estate
transfer
tax,
but
I'm
actually
not
100.
Sure
of
that.
So
we'll
check
that
out
and
get
back
to
you
on
that.
Okay-
and
I
can't
recall
from
my
reading
just
the
document,
the
current
documentary
transfer
tax
applied
right
now
to
single
to
single.
A
Family
homes,
it
applies
to
every
sale,
property.
E
Okay,
so
that
would
be
good
to
know
is
what
happens
to
those
if
we
move
forward
with
a
commercial
command,
and
I
know
we're
going
to
define
what
commercial
is,
but
if
we
define
commercials
not
include
single-family
homes,
does
that
mean
that
the
existing
tax
would
remain
for
those,
and
then
there
would
be
an
exemption
for
the
real
property
transfer
tax
yeah
excellent
question
yeah?
E
Well,
if
I
can
vice
mayor
mason,
the
answer
to
your
very
last
question
is
yes:
if
the
city
implements
a
commercial
property
transfer
tax
that
exempts
residential
the
residential
properties
will
pay
the
documentary
transfer
tax.
The
question
that
the
city
attorney
said
that
he
was
going
to
confirm
is:
if
we
had
a
separate
real
estate,
property
transfer
tax
on
commercial
property.
Do
those
commercial
properties
also
pay
the
documentary
transient
tax,
slightly
separate
question,
but
we'll
find
out
the
answer
yeah,
but
that
was
actually
that's
going
to
be
next,
and
so
thank
you.
E
The
other
question
is
whether
there
isn't
a
staff
report,
a
sentence
that
says
the
payment
of
tax
could
be
negotiated
between
the
buyer
and
the
seller.
So
I
would
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
one
one
question
is
that
the
tax
is
not
negotiable
with
the
city
correct.
E
That
is
correct.
That
reference
in
the
staff
report
was
articulating
that
any
sales
transaction
the
buy
in
the
seller
could
negotiate
that
he
faced
half
or
one
party
pays
all
which
is
typical
in
real
estate
transactions,
but
we
would
not
be
a
part
of
those
negotiations
and
the
tax
would
have
to
be
paid
by
regardless.
E
Okay,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
no
doubt
or
no
maze
on
that
one.
For
let's
see
you,
there
was
a
comment
about
the
condos
under
the
definition.
Could
condos
then
also
be
considered
single
family
if
the
condo
owner
is
an
owner
of
one
or
how?
How
would
we
work
around
that
to
ensure
that
there's
no
uniform
being
disenfranchised
because
they're
in
a
condo
versus
a
single
family
home
right?
So
with
regard
to
the
precise
language,
we
would
certainly
draft
it
such
that
condo
sales
would
be
exempt.
E
What
would
be
said
to
make
it
clear
that
a
single-family
home
is
exempted
and
a
individual
condo
cell
has
accepted
it,
and
we
don't
have
that
language
prepared
yet
at
this
moment,
but
we
would
certainly
ensure
that
that
that
is
clear.
Okay,
okay,
okay,
thank
you.
I'll
hold
my
comments,
so
I
hear
from
the
council
members.
Thank
you.
B
I
had
a
quick
question
on
the
when
it
was
stipulated
from
the
61
000
to
the
2.7
million
over
five
years.
Now.
Is
that
just
the
variable
over
those
five
years,
or
are
you
saying
the
most
would
have
received,
is
2.7
within
five
years.
B
Please,
mayor
medina,
I'm
just
calling
up
attachment
to
the
staff
report.
The
range
of
61
000
to
2.7
is
the
average
annual
amount
that
was
that
would
have
been
received.
Should
the
city
have
had
a
transfer
tax
implemented
at
any
of
these
bottles.
B
So,
for
example,
just
you
know,
let's
take
else
rio,
which
has
a
transfer
tax
of
1.2
on
all
transactions
and
so
had
that
one
point:
two
percent
tax
been
in
effect
in
the
city
of
san
bruno
for
the
last
five
years
for
commercial
properties,
based
on
the
definition
that
we
showed
for
commercial
properties
which
again
includes
multi-family
residential
up
to
five
units
in
each
of
the
the
five
years.
B
So
in
1617
the
city
would
have
received
1
million
117
000
the
following
year,
3.9
million
or
the
next
year,
just
under
400
000
and
then
1.2
million
on
average
for
the
last
five
years
it
would
have
been
1.3
million
and
so
that
the
range
is
again
made
up
of
this
average
lineup,
and
so
the
61
000
comes
from
the
city
of
gilroy.
B
That
has
one
of
the
lowest
transfer
tax
rates.
The
number
of
cities
have
this
rate,
but
it's
point:
zero,
five,
five
percent,
and
so
that's
an
average
of
61
000
sure
the
city
of
san
bernardino
had
that
rate
and
again
the
higher
rate
comes
from
the
richmond
model
that
has
a
stratified
rate,
but
an
average
of
2.7
million
and
back
to
the
vice
mayor's
question
when
it
talked
about
the
tax.
B
So
it's
no
different
than
sewer
lateral
that
when
you
sell
a
a
residential
property
and
it
has
to
be
inspected
either
the
buyer
or
the
seller
will
pay
for
that
lateral
should
it
need
to
be
repaired
before
the
escrow
is
complete,
the
same
principle
it's
up
between
you,
the
buyer
and
the
seller,
and
everybody
else
is
out
of
it.
Correct
yes,
but
I
just
would
clarify
on
that
analogy.
The
store,
lateral
is
a
fee
that
has
to
be
or
work.
That
has
to
be
done
and
there's
a
an
assessment.
B
That's
done
so
it
may
or
may
not
have
to
be
done.
The
sewer
lateral
is
done
yet
before
the
close
of
escrow,
where
this
is
paid
after
the
actually
sort
of
after
escrow
documents
have
decided.
B
B
Most
of
the
cities-
and
I'm
not
the
best
at
this,
but
my
understanding
is
let's
say
it
was
for
a
single
family
house
in
san
bruno
it
was
a
two
million
dollar
purchase,
that's
about
202
that
goes
to
the
county
and
then
there's
obviously
the
increase,
because
it's
gone
up,
I
think
in
the
city
of
san
mateo
they
tax
all
sales
which
I
believe
for
the
same
amount
would
be
around
13
000..
B
So
what
I'm
trying
to
understand,
too,
is
it
looks
like
in
the
report.
It
was
redwood
city
in
san
mateo
that
had
the
transfer
tax,
but
san
mateo
looks
like
they
taxed
every
transaction
and
I'm
wondering
what
redwood
city
does
and
why
do
they
go
to
that
extreme
opposed
to
maybe
what's
being
considered
here.
B
The
the
best
answer
to
that
is
to
go
back
to
this
table.
Mr
mayor,
you
mentioned
a
potential
two
million
dollar
sale
and
a
value
of
the
tax
that
would
be
paid.
I
I
didn't
totally
test
the
the
match
between
the
two,
but
yes,
the
the
reason
why
it
would
be
different
in
redwood
city
than
san
mateo
is
that
redwood
city
has
a
transfer
tax
of
0.055,
whereas
the
city
of
san
mateo
has
a
transfer
tax
of
0.5.
B
So
it's
just
an
order
of
magnitude
different
on
the
tax
that
each
of
those
cities
have,
which
is
why
you
would
pay
a
different
tax
in
those
states
and
they
also
tax
all
transactions.
They
tag,
they
tax,
all
transactions,
residential,
all
residential
experts.
Thank
you.
B
That's
it
for
me
for
the
moment,
any
other
questions
from
colleagues.
B
Thank
you
for
going
back
to
that
appreciate
it
so
and
comments
from
colleagues
on
the
council
direction.
That's
being
asked
for
councilmember
hamilton.
A
So
I'm
going
down
in
order
move
forward
with
charter
development.
Yes,
please,
my
big
guess
on
that
one:
should
the
charter
include
an
integral
real
property
transfer
tax?
It's
also
yes!
If
so,
if
so,
should
it
be
limited
to
commercial
property?
A
Yes,
and
if
so,
what
is
the
definition
now,
as
I've
been
thinking
about
this
for
quite
a
long
time
and
the
I
had
actually
thought
of
what
I
would
always
pictured
in
my
head
for
how
to
exempt
residential
was
actually
the
same
model
that
would
that
I
believe
was
used
to
do
the
simulation,
which
is
that
units
of
only
only
buildings
with
units
or
only
residential
buildings
with
five
or
more
units
would
be
subject
to
the
tax
in
anything
smaller.
You
know
whether
or
owner
occupied
or
not
would
be
exempt.
A
I
would
also
be
interested
in
exploring
for
commercial
properties
if
there
could
be
if
there
could
be
a
a
way
to
exempt,
and
we
would
have
to
work
out
how
to
do
that.
It
would
probably
have
to
be
based
on
value
and
I'm
trying
to
avoid
value,
because
values
are
just
going
crazy
up
down
and
you
know
could
get
out
of
out
of
whack
at
some
point,
but
what
I'm
trying
to
avoid?
I
think
I
think
I
think
everybody
wants
to
avoid.
A
You
know
single
family
homes
and
and
the
the
vice
mayor
asked
the
same
question
I
was
gonna
bring
up
here
where
you
know
what
you
know,
if
I'm,
if
I
own
a
condo
and
I'm
the
and
I'm
selling
my
one
condo
that
should
be
exempt
if
I
own
a
building
with
third
hondos
in
and
I'm
selling
the
whole
building,
that's
not
exact,
but
if
I'm
a
store
owner-
and
I
own
my
one
building
and
it's
of
a
certain
of
a
certain
size,
I
would
like
to
explore
having
that
taxi
to
be
exempted
or
smaller,
because
you
know
I
you
know,
want
to
try
to
protect
our
small
businesses
as
well.
A
So
that's
something
to
that's
something
I
would
want
to
consider
there
with
the
real
property
transfer
tax.
Regarding
the
charter.
I
agree
with
what
councilmember
medina
said
earlier.
Having
that,
I
I
think
we
put
the
charter
on
with
just
the
just
the
transfer
tax
and
not
the
other
items,
because
if
you
know
I'm
a
voter
and
I
really
really
hate
term
limits,
although
no
on
the
whole
charter
and
and
then
then
none
of
it
goes
through.
A
So
even
though
it's
you
know
it's
more
expensive,
I
think
they
should
be
separate
items
and
then
I
think
I
already
gave
some
ideas
on
number
four.
So
I'm
happy
to
clarify
any
of
my
any
of
my
statements.
If.
B
Needed
but
that's
all
I
have
to
say
thank
you
very
much.
Other
colleagues.
A
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
mayor,
to
not
be
repetitive.
I
I'm
ready
with
one
and
yes
on
two
and
we
could
further
define
what
the
commercial
property
is.
My
question
to
staff.
One
of
the
questions
for
now
is:
are
we
intending
to
to
do
a
poll
on
on
this
city
charter?
A
We
are
in
conversation
and,
I
believe,
getting
ready
to
enter
into
contract
with
a
alec
cole
consultant,
like
we've
used
in
other
polls,
with
the
goal
of
having
a
life
voter
poll
out
in
the
field
as
they
call
it
in
the
month
of
may,
and
so
we
are
planning
for
another
study
session
with
the
city
council
in
april
to
discuss
the
contents
of
that
poll
as
well
as,
at
that
point,
make
sure
we
narrow
down
on
either
the
rate
that
council
would
like
to
consider
or
if
you
raise
the
poll
on
and
we
will
use
our
ballot.
B
For
consultant
for
advice
on
that,
and
so
absolutely
there
will
be
a
poll
in
in
many
ways,
depending
on
the
directives,
from
count
from
the
meeting
tonight
about
what
potential
ballot
measures
we're
moving
forward
with.
Will
it
form
that
whole
like
there's,
some
whole
science?
You
don't
want
to
pull
every
potential
idea,
and
so
you
really
want
to
narrow
it
down
and
focus
it,
and
so
that
hey.
Why
we're
having
this
conversation
today
to
narrow
down
those
issues
that
we
could
put
in
the
likelihood?
B
Are
there
comments
or
feedback
for
staff
from
colleagues
councilmember,
salazar.
F
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
so
in
in
listening
to
the
to
the
comment
we
got
from
from
the
public
from
morrow's.
You
know
regarding
the
potential
of
having
a
charter
and
what
opportunities
it
offers
the
city.
F
It
really
seems
that
we're
selling
this
process
short
in
doing
this
and
getting
through
the
staff
report,
seeing
that
there
is
another
method
of
developing
charters
which
is
to
have
residents,
elect
a
charter
commission
that
actually
gives
some
deep
insight
to
preferences
and
potential
benefits
of
the
charter,
and
then,
having
that
you
know,
presented
to
to
the
to
the
rest
of
the
voters,
seems
like
a
very
robust
and
thorough
process
versus
what
we're
doing
here,
which
is
basically
staff,
saying
yeah.
F
Let's
do
something
skinny
the
one
thing
on
there
and
then,
let's
just
put
it
out
there
on
a
ballot.
You
know
I
I,
the
property
transfer
tax.
I
know
it
relies
on
having
the
charter
and
it's
hard
to
say
no
to
extra
money,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
if
that's
the
only
thing
that
we're
doing
with
this
charter,
it's
it
seems
like
a
wasted
opportunity,
and
you
know
I'm
still
having
a
little
trouble
with
the
property
tax
as
well.
F
I
mean
the
the
conversations
we've
had
sort
of
sidebar
conversations
around
how
we
define
commercial
is
still
concerning.
You
know,
and
you
know
who
who
really
is
not
impacted
by
this.
F
If
you're
an
individual
or
you
know
you
and
you
happen
to
have
invested
in
some
commercial
properties,
this
would
impact
your
basically
the
value
of
your
properties
and
that's
it's
not
insignificant,
and
I
know
that
we've
coming
up
to
this
conversation,
we've
been
thinking
about
the
walmarts
and
the
tan
friends
and
the
youtubes,
and
all
these
huge
corporations,
which
would
probably
not
even
not
even
flinch
of
this
at
this
proposal.
But
you
know
there
are
plenty
of
other
smaller
property
owners.
F
That
would
definitely
be
impacted
by
this,
and
you
know,
probably
it's
not
significant.
You
know
the
the
argument
about
whether
it
could
be.
You
know,
split
or
negotiated
between
buyer
and
seller
doesn't
really
change
the
fact
that
it
does
impact
the
value
of
the
transaction
and
somebody
has
to
pay
it,
and
so
it
either
disincentivizes
the
the
seller
from
selling
or
or
the
buyer
from
negotiating.
You
know
what
an
otherwise
you
know
more
beneficial
price,
and
so
it
does
it
does
have
I
don't.
F
I
don't
think
it
goes
without
without
hurting
somebody,
and
so
I
I
still
have
concerns
around
that
that
just
because
somebody
is
is,
you
know
doing
this
for
business
does
not
minimize
the
their
interest
in
preserving
the
value
of
their
investment,
and
so
you
know
I
I
still
have
an
issue
with
attacking
them,
and
I
haven't
heard
anything
that
really
convinces
me
that
we
we
have
a
clear
definition
of
a
threshold
that
would
somehow
make
that
more
palatable
to
me
so
that
that's
where
I
stand
on
that.
B
I
have
some
similar
concerns.
I,
like
the
commission,
I
idea
that
was
in
the
staff
report,
because
I
think
it
also
allows
thoughtfulness
and
all
the
options
or
opportunities
once
you
start
a
charter
and
again
you
want
to
keep
it
simple,
but
also
it
can
be
changed
and
if
you
do
want
to
make
modifications
to
it,
it
does
have
to
go
back
out
to
the
vote,
and
so
that
is
something
also
when
we
have
you
know
what
we're
talking
about.
B
I
think
we're
thinking
large
commercial
properties,
I
mean
you
know
and
council
member
hamilton
was
saying
like
you
know,
I
hate
to
use
a
dollar
amount,
because
things
are
so
fluctuating
and
what
things
are
going
for
I
mean
is
it
is
it
that
we
use
parcel
size?
Does
that
deem
what
a
commercial
property
is,
rather
than
you
know
it's
five
units
and
above
or
three
million
et
cetera?
B
I
also
think
you
know
with
some
of
this
too.
It
is
a
tax,
and
I
know
now
that
we
have
the
impact
fees
or
community
benefits.
Property
tax
increases,
there's
fees
that
obviously
are
going
to
be
collected
as
work
gets
done
and
and
people
make
changes
to
the
commercial
areas
that
they
may
acquire
and
then
develop.
B
So
I
also
have
it
have
a
concern
in
regards
to
that
as
well.
So
that's
where
I'm
thinking
the
commission
idea
would
maybe
have.
B
To
really
give
the
a
global
holistic
view-
and
is
this
the
only
thing,
because
once
we
do
this,
I
think
this
is
something
that
is
going
to
be
around
and
can
be
modified
at
every
election
if
a
majority
of
the
council
or
petition
comes
in
from
from
the
red
ones,
so
that
those
are
some
of
my
my
thoughts,
the
manager
that
probably
didn't
help
you
immensely
or
did
it
and
city
attorney.
Oh
absolutely,
mayor
medina,
very
helpful.
B
This
is
all
about
feedback
and
talking
to
your
colleagues
and
arriving
at
direction,
and
so
what
I
we've
been
taking,
some
notes.
So
what
we
have
and
I'm
just
going
to
talk
about
the
first
two
questions,
because
there
are
there
or
the
first
three
for
council
member
hamilton.
It
is
a
yes.
A
Direction
that
or
continue
to
move
forward,
councilmember
hamilton
provided
thoughts
on
what
the
commercial
property
definition
should
be
and
then
for
question
three
said:
limit
the
charter
to
include
the
commercial
property
transfer
tax
and
all
their
questions.
Should
the
council
decide
to
move
forward
with
them
would
be
separate
questions
on
the
ballot
not
integrated
into
the
charter
council
member
medina
said
yes
to
number
one.
F
Didn't
specify
specifics
on
the
definition
of
commercial
property,
but
understanding
that
that
there
would
be
engagement
upon
that
later
and
then
also
said
with
regard
to
number
three:
have
a
charter
with
the
commercial
property
transfer
tax
any
other
any.
A
Other
questions
would
be
separate
items
from
council
member
salazar.
I
think
we
heard
desire
not
to
move
forward
right
now
on
the
potential
charter
measure,
with
the
concept
of
potentially
a
charter
commission
being
preferred
and
a
number
of
other
questions
with
regard
to
how
commercial
property
transfer
tax
would
be
defined
et
cetera.
A
But
the
core
question
is
whether
the
court
responsible
council
members
out
of
ours,
not
now
commission
potentially
later-
and
I
think
that
was
mayor,
medina
you're,
saying
overall
sentiment-
is
a
no
not
not
to
move
forward
now
and
look
towards
the
commission
process.
I
just
want
to
say-
and
I
know
that
council
members
know
it,
but
with
respect
to
the
commission
process,
there's
not
enough
time
to
do
that
commission
to
have
the
charter
on
the
november
22
ballot,
so
that
would
be
a
separate
effort
and
city.
B
B
There
may
be
one
in
july,
but
I'm
not
sure
so
we
would
have
to
come
back
to
you
for
that,
but
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that.
Just
if
we're
we
look
towards
a
commission,
it's
not
the
november
cycle
and
then
we
did
not
hear
from
right.
America.
Vice
versa,
in
direct
response
to
those
questions
that
are
on
the
on
the
screen
and-
and
I
all
just
because
I
didn't
see
the
hand
go
up-
I'm
sorry
vice
mayor,
I
went
first
or
ahead
and
I
shouldn't
have.
B
I
should
have
deferred
to
you,
but
I
didn't
see
the
hand
up
and
that's
the
only
reason
I
started
offering
comments.
If
you
have
anything
because
I
know
I
see
council
member
hamilton's
hand
up
if
it's
okay,
I
was
going
to
call
on
him
just
very
quickly
just
an
additional
comment
regarding.
A
A
What
I
my
reasoning
here
is
that
if
we
push
through
or
if
we,
if
we
propose
a
charter
that
has
too
many
things
on
it,
it
greatly
reduces
the
chances
of
getting
a
charter
at
all,
and
I
absolutely
would
be
in
favor
of
what,
if
once
a
charter
is
established,
looking
at
other
things
that
we
would
that
we
might
want
to
be
what
we
might
want
to
do
with
the
charter.
A
Regarding
you
know,
voting
methods
and
other
and
other
things,
and
for
for
the
public,
that's
watching
it's
very
it's.
It's
very,
very
key
to
understand
that
any
amendments
that
would
be
made
to
the
charter,
any
additional
things-
would
go
on
to
the
on
the
ballot
and
then-
and
you
know,
we
can't
make
any
change
to
the
to
the
charter
without
going
back
to
the
voters.
A
F
And
I
think
council
member
hamilton
does
raise
some
good
points
there,
and
I
agree
that
the
any
of
the
items
that
are
listed
on
the
current
slide
as
options
are
potentially
controversial
items
that
could
that
could
hurt
the
success
of
it.
But
at
the
same
time
I
know,
although
very
very
limited.
There
are
some
other
benefits
that
are
clear
benefits
to
the
city
that
could
come
from
having
a
charter,
and
I
think
if
we
had
gone
through
the
process
of
really
exploring
all
of
those
options
and
having
a
commission
that
is
a
chart.
F
You
know
that
that's
mandated
to
to
go
and
seek
out
all
these
important
things
that
could
be
potential
benefits
that
could
have
actually
helped
in
making
the
or
or
selling
the
charter,
because
there
are
more
than
a
single
benefit,
which
is
which
is
a
tax,
and
there
are
plenty
of
people
that
are
fundamentally
opposed
to
taxes,
and
so
that
could
potentially
be
controversial
in
itself.
So
you
know
I
was
looking
at
it
from
a
standpoint
of
you
know
what
what
are
all
you
know?
F
Could
we
have
communicated
a
a
greater
degree
of
benefit
by
identifying
other
other
items
that
other
charter
cities
benefit
from?
Not
just
not
just
one.
B
First
of
all,
thank
you
for
the
everyone
for
their
for
their
comments
in
the
discussion.
It's
a
healthy
discussion,
but
we
just
heard
from
our
city
manager
to
do.
A
The
charter
with
with
the
commission,
we
don't
have
the
time
to
do
it,
so
we
have
this
opportunity
in
this
election
to
move
forward
with
one
of
the
items
we
could
discounts
or
the
next
council
could
decide
to
afford
in
2024
with
with
a
a
commission-
and
I
I
would
be
in
favor
of
that-
but
I
think,
as
councilman
hamilton,
I
agree
more
with
him
that
keeping
it
simple
every
single
other
thing
here
can
be
put
on
the
ballot
and
and
the
people
will
have
the
opportunity
to
vote
on
it
and
the
people
will
vote
on
the
charter.
A
So
it's
it's.
You
need
the
charter
to
have
the
commercial
side
of
tax
and
all
the
other
things
are
still
up
to
the
people,
and
I
would
be
in
favor
of
allowing
them
to
vote
on
it.
As
for
the
finance
reform,
we
don't
need
it.
We
don't
need
that,
so
we
can
do
that
ourselves.
So
I'm
still
waiting
to
hear
oops
looks
like
we
have
a
two
to
two
right
now.
We
just
need
to
hear
from
the
vice
mayor,
to
figure
out
where
we're
gonna
go.
E
Okay,
so
I
was
the
only
one
in
support
of
moving
forward
with
the
charter
in
2020
and
definitely
in
support
of
moving
forward
with
the
charter.
Now
that
300
million
dollars
is
being
closed
right
now,
and
I
think
that
we
looked
at
this
in
2020
and
the
conversation
was
around
not
having
enough
staff,
then
I
think
we
will
never
have
enough
to
do
all
the
things
that
we
want
to
do
to.
E
You
know
make
this
as
inclusive
as
possible
of
our
community,
but
there
have
been
other
votes
very
recently
that
there
were
also
opportunities
that,
were
you
know,
we're
not
taking
advantage
of.
So
I
think
in
this
particular
case,
there's
nothing
wrong
with
going
back
to
the
charter
after
the
election
and
creating
a
committee
to
talk
about
what
else
should
be
on
there,
and
mr
harmon
brought
up
a
lot
of
good
points.
E
I
think
he's
been
a
big
proponent
of
the
met
of
moving
to
charter
for
a
long
time,
and
so
is
mr
tong
there's
there
are
some
people
that
I
think
we
all
get
regular
communications
from,
but
I
think
at
this
point
we
have
seen
almost
all
of
bay
hill
sold.
We
have
seen
the
entire
tan
france
hold.
E
We
have
seen
skype
park
sold,
we
are
seeing
chris
moore
sold
and
this
is
why
I
supported
it
in
2020
and
I
feel
like
we
are
letting
money
go
and
we
are
also
having
to
answer
to
residents
asking
why
there's
no
money
coming
in
from
these
sales
and
there
is
a
balance
and
it
has
been
two
years
and
nobody
on
this
council
has
been
pushing
charter
cities
to
say
we
want
to
prioritize
this.
We
want
to
take
those
two
years
to
create
commissions,
but
we
have
spent
those
two
years
on
districting.
E
You
know
which
was
not
required,
so
I
just
want
to
say
you
know.
That
is
the
truth
and
I
think
we
have
to.
We
really
have
to
get
serious
about
what
we
want
in
our
city,
and
this
is
something
that
I
think
we
definitely
need
to
move
forward
with.
I
think,
as
far
as
far
as
a
charter
with
real
property
transfer
tax,
how
should
we
define
it?
E
E
I
think,
as
far
as
the
components
of
the
charter,
I'm
pretty
much
okay,
with
whatever
we
get
back
from
the
pollsters.
So
if
we
have
a
polling
that
supports
any
of
these
measures
and
we're
saving,
I
think
the
minimum
amount
was
ten
thousand
dollars
each
again.
We
move
to
districting
over
a
thirty
thousand
dollar
letter.
So
if
that
is
an
issue,
I
think
we
can
all
discuss
it
and
I
can
change
my
vote
on
that
issue
either
way.
E
But
I
would
be
curious
to
see
what
a
pollster
would
say
as
far
as
potential
tax
structure.
I
I'm
fine
with
the
slight.
I
think
I
want
to
call
it
a
sliding
scale,
but
I
think
it
has
a
more
official
term,
but
I'm
okay,
with
charging
going
up
or
having
a
higher
tax
rate
depending
on
the
value
of
the
property,
as
has
been
done
in
other
cities.
E
So
definitely
a
strong
yes,
with
agreement
with
commission
with
council
members
are
that
we
do
need
to
have
some
community
input,
but
I
do
believe
that
can
be
done
after
this
next
election
and
we
can
have
a
larger
city-wide
conversation
about
what
else
the
measure
should
be,
and
we
can
always
take
it
back
to
the
nurse.
Thank
you
thanks
and.
B
Yeah
the
vice
mayor
was,
it
was
a
tier
that
some
of
the
cities
that
was
noted
as
is
what's
referenced,
so
city
manager,
does
that
give
you
the
direction.
I
I
think
we
we
do
have
clear
direction
that
allows
staff
to
continue
moving
forward.
I
just
want
to
recap
that
so
we
all
sort
of
land
and
close
out
this
topic
before
jumping
to
the
next
one,
and
so
what
I
heard
was
a
majority
in
favor
of
moving
forward
on
the
development
of
a
charter.
B
Comments
around
the
definition
of
commercial
relative
concurrence
with
the
definition
that
was
used
in
the
tax
simulation,
but
wanted
to
take.
Maybe
a
look
at
where
that
threshold
of
exemption
is
for
residential
properties.
B
At
this
point
in
the
draft,
it's
at
five
units,
but
also
asking
staff
to
look
into
potentially
a
dollar
threshold
for
commercial
properties,
potentially
to
accept
a
smaller
commercial
properties
from
payment
of
the
tax.
A
majority
to
with
respect
to
number
three
move
forward.
A
I
I
heard
two
members
that
were
supportive
of
moving
forward
with
the
charter,
expressing
that
it
should
be
limited
to
the
commercial
property
transfer
tax
and
other
questions
on
a
separate
ballot
measure
for
various
reasons,
and
then
vice
mayor
mason,
saying
potentially
until
we
have
conversations
with
the
poster
or
maybe
even
the
poll
before
making
that
final
determination
on
what's
in
the
chartered.
A
What's
what
what's
not
and
then
with
respect
to
the
amount
staff
will
come
back
with
various
models
based
on
the
conversations
that
were
tonight,
and
we
will
have
that
in
advance
of.
B
Before
so,
I
think
we
have
clear
direction
with
regard
to
the
first
presentation.
The
only
thing
that
we
will
need
to
come
back
to
before
we
close
out
tonight
is
alternative
voting
mechanisms
that
was
talked
about
here
on
slide
13.
B
B
We
conclude
tonight
come
back
to
that
as
a
separate
question,
but
then
move
forward
with
the
next
presentation
and
the
next
item,
which
is
on
a
potential
repeal
of
the
ordinance
that
established
the
elected
the
office
of
elected
mayor,
okay
and
thank
you
city
manager
and
we'll
do
that,
and
if
you
could
just
keep
us
on
track
with
that,
I
I
do
have
council
member
medina,
but
before
so,
what
we're
doing
is
we're
hearing
from
staff
we're
going
to
public,
bringing
it
back
to
council
for
direction
so,
but
I
do
know,
there's
been
a
hand
up
so
I'll.
B
B
B
A
Lose
looks
like
you
dropped
off.
B
Council,
member
medina
and
vice
mayor,
I
think
I
just
forgot
to
lower
your
hands.
I'm
gonna
do
that
unless
you
wanted
to
speak
okay,
council.
A
I
think
they
new,
I
think
they
have
new
questions,
just
a
clarifying
question,
mr
mayor,
for
the
polling
of
the
exemption.
A
If
we
look
at
slide
10
that
can
be
pulled
up,
I
would
think
that
the
polling
company
would
would
do
the
poll
and
ask
those
questions
intent
of
what
was
the
most
possible
enough
number
to
define
that.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
was.
That
was
what
was
going
to
happen
with
the
polling,
that
we
would
get
some
clarity
and
some
numbers
on
for
the
public
what
they
thought
on
on
those
items
there
with
with
the
cursor
upon
it.
So
that's
all
I
had
to
clarify
mr
mayor.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
sir.
Yes,
please
thank
you
manager
yeah,
so
we
have
meetings
scheduled
with
the
pollster
and
we'll
at
an
april
study
session,
come
back
to
the
city
council
and
discuss
the
components
of
the
poll
council.
B
Member
medina
totally
understand
what
you're
saying
I
think,
there's
a
little
poll
science
in
how
you
hope
for
this,
and
there
would
likely
be
a
desire
not
to
have
a
poll
where
you
have
all
five
of
the
options
or
the
single
family.
Only
duplexes
triflex
is
for
plexus.
So
how
we
ask
that
question
just
know
that
we'll
be
analyzing
and
come
back
to
the
city
council
for
final
direction.
Thank
you,
okay.
B
E
Apologize,
okay.
I
just
I've
mentioned
this
earlier
council
member
hamilton
brought
up
a
good
point
about
the
schools
and
I
would
just
be
curious
about
the
exemptions
not
just
for
schools,
but
for
pretty
much
any
government
entity
that
transfers
property
back
to
the
city
to
benefit
the
whole
of
the
city.
What
legally
is
required
is
not
required
or
what
you
know,
what
ramifications
or
measures
can
the
city
put
on
a
commercial
treasure
tax
for
those
agencies?
B
A
Very
good
again,
mr
mayor
members
of
the
city
council,
so
we're
now
talking
about
the
elected
office
of
mayor
and
state
law,
does
authorize
cities
to
select
mayors
in
two
ways,
either
by
voting
the
people
or
by
selection
of
the
city
council
and
in
1977,
the
city
of
san
bruno,
a
place
to
measure
on
the
ballot
measure
f,
which
was
approved
and
did
establish
a
an
elected
mayor
and
measure
g,
the
one
right
after
f
established
a
two-year
term.
A
Thank
you.
The
mayor
is
distinguished
from
other
council
members
does
have
a
variety
of
duties.
This
isn't
an
exhaustive
list,
but
includes
many
of
them,
obviously
conducting
the
meetings,
proclamations,
dignitaries,
community
functions
and
so
on
and,
as
it
turns
out
about
65
percent
of
cities
in
the
in
the
state
do
have
mayors
selected
by
the
city
council
about
35
percent,
have
elected
bears.
A
That,
however,
is
not
the
same
percentage
in
the
county
of
san
mateo,
where
the
city
of
san
bruno
is
at
this
time
the
only
city
with
an
elected
mayor.
However,
the
caveat
to
that
is
that
belmont
appears
to
be
moving
toward
directly
elected
mayor.
A
A
So
again,
the
question
in
front
of
you
is:
if
you're
going
to
place
this
on
the
2022
ballot,
then
it
needs
to
be
determined
whether
to
include
it
or
in
a
separate
ballot
measure.
We've
already
had
a
little
bit
of
a
discussion
about
that
previously
and
so
in
front
of
you
really
are
two
questions:
do
you
want
to
place
it
on
the
ballot?
And
if
so,
you
want
to
do
that
separately
or
have
it
be
an
integral
part
of
the
charter,
so
I'll
pause
there
and
turn
it
back
to
mayor
to
see
if
there
are.
B
Thank
you
very
much
city
attorney
at
this
time.
I
would
ask
folks
that
wish
to
speak.
If
they
could,
please
raise
their
virtual
hand,
and
I
would
ask
if
the
city
clear
could
please
bring
them
in
the
first
speaker
is
plymouth.
C
Good
evening,
council
members
and
thank
you,
I
I
think
this
is
a
terrible
idea.
I
think
I
think
I
like
the
fact
that
our
city
is
unique
in
in
the
county.
I
don't,
I
don't
think
numbers
were
given
for
states
beyond
california.
I
think
it's
actually
quite
common
to
have
elected
mayors
in
in
other
parts
of
the
u.s,
but
really
what
we
should
be
doing
is
what's
good
for
san
bruno
and
not
comparing
ourselves
to
other
people.
C
I
think
the
fact
that
we
have
just
gone
to
districts
makes
it
even
more
important
that
there
is
at
least
one
person
who
is
representing
the
entire
city,
and
I
didn't
even
realize
until
it
was
mentioned
just
now,
that
it
would
require
us
to
do
redistricting
again
immediately,
which
that
was
already
a
fairly
arduous
process.
Please,
let's
not
go
through
that
again.
Thank
you.
D
Case
you
want
to
talk
yeah.
No,
I
lowered
it.
Sorry
because
we're
down
to
me,
I
think
you
already
know.
I
agree
with
plymouth.
I
didn't
hear
address
and
I'm
I'm
curious
to
hear
address.
Hopefully
this
will
be
discussed.
D
It
does
seem
like
if
there
is
a
move
to
charter
like
if
this
is
something
that
can
be
left
out
of
the
charter,
both
the
charter
less.
You
know,
like
one
viewer
thing
to
argue
about,
and
if
we
retain
the
flexibility
to
do
this
by
an
internal
ordnance
like
I
think,
tying
the
hands
future
councils
with
forcing
them
to
go
to
the
voters
on
issues
is
generally
something
to
avoid.
D
So
I
would
say
that
it
does
seem
like
if,
as
a
charter
city,
we
don't
have
to
define
this,
we
leave
it
up
to
regular
irregular
legislative
process
for
future
councils,
that
that
seems
preferable,
but
yeah.
I
really,
I
think
you
know
like
I
grew
up
on
the
east
coast,
like
I
hadn't,
even
heard
of
cities
where
the
mayor
wasn't
elected
city-wide
until
I
moved
to
california,
it's
it's
a
peculiarity
of
california
and
I
think
it's
a
bad
policy.
I
think
that
having
the
mayor
be
for
the
whole
city
is
preferable
anyway.
A
Yes,
thank
you.
It's
been
45
years
of
since
the
people
of
san
bruno
voted
on
this
type
of
selection
of
the
mayor,
and
I
personally
think
the
city
would
benefit
from
it
that
it.
I
believe
it
provides
an
additional
way
that
the
council
would
work
together,
knowing
that
you
have
to
work
with
your
other
colleagues,
when
you
know
that
that
person
will
be
mayor
at
some
point
in
their
term.
A
A
None
of
us
here,
I
think,
look
at
it
any
other
way
that
we
all
we
all
represent
all
of
san
bruno
and
and
I'm
hoping
that
in
the
future,
even
though
we
do
have
districts,
it
will
be
a
little
different,
but
people
that
are
going
to
be
running
they
they
want
to
improve
the
whole
city.
A
So,
looking
at
to
prepare
about
to
to
place
on
the
ballot
ibs,
and
we
I
think
we
already
covered
number
two-
that
it
should
not
be
on
the
charter.
A
It
just
sounds
different
than
the
term
rotating
and
the.
I
guess
that
that
that
brings
up
the
question
for
how
does
that
actually
work?
You
know,
I
always
assume
the
rotate
error.
You
know,
rotates
and
there's
a
rule
and
there's
there's
rules
and
it
goes
off
and
it
goes
through
based
on
seniority
or
whatever
the
rule
is
and
and
cycles
through
the
council
members,
and
we
would
need
to
decide
whether
it
was
whether
their
counselor
would
be
there
for
one
year
or
two
years
or
whatever.
A
That
would
be
in
favor
of
one
and
all
of
that,
but
just
by
just
by
just
saying,
council
selects
a
fellow
council
member
that
seems
to
leave
open
the
possibility
that
a
council
could
elect
or
could
appoint
the
same
person
to
be
mayor
year
after
year
after
year,
which
defeats
the
purpose
of
having
a
rotating.
A
So
I
just
wanted
to
ask
you
know
just
just
for
clarification
on
that
on
that
point,
and
then
I
have
some
comments
as
well.
A
Mr
mayor,
if
I
may
thanks
so
the
the
answer
actually
has
a
couple
of
different
facets
to
it.
So
it's
true
that
a
rotation
system
is
would
be
different
than
the
council
members.
Simply
making
appointments
and
hands
as
council
member
hamilton
could
simply
appoint
the
same
person
every
every
year.
If
they
want
to.
A
However,
I
would
say
that
the
city
council-
it's
not
before
you
tonight,
to
decide
exactly
what
the
rotational
or
appointment
system
would
actually
consist
of,
and
if
the
voters
repealed
the
elective
office
mayor,
then
at
some
point
either
before
the
election
or
after
the
election.
The
city
council
could
indicate
its
intent
about
how
how
the
the
mayor
would
be
selected
by
his
or
her
fellow
council
members.
A
I
would
also
point
out
that
in
the
cities
that
I've
worked
with,
who
have
a
rotational
layer
that
rotational
system
specified
in
the
municipal
code,
but
it
is
not,
in
my
recollection,
a
mandatory
rotational
system.
In
other
words,
the
city
council
always
retains
the
discretion
to
appoint
somebody
other
than
the
person
called
for
by
whatever
rotational
system
is
there,
and
san
bruno
is
somewhat
unique
in
that
the
city
did
not
take
that
path.
A
With
respect
to
the
city
council
selection
of
the
vice
mayor
in
our
municipal
code,
the
vice
mayor
is
selected
by
a
rotational
system
that
is
not
otherwise
subject
to
modification
or
change
by
the
city
council,
except
if
it
were
to
change
the
ordinance,
but
with
respect
to
mayors,
most
cities
have
a
system
in
which,
in
fact,
the
mayor
is
appointed
through
some
kind
of
voluntary
rotational
system,
but
it's
not
mandatory
in
most
codes.
That's
not
to
say
the
city
of
san
bruno
couldn't
make
that
rotational
system
mandatory.
A
Great,
thank
you
thank
you
for
that
that
very
much
cleared
that
up
for
me.
So
I
appreciate
that
so
for
my
own
comments
on
this.
The
city
attorney
made
a
comment
there
that
san
bruno
was
somewhat
unique
in
that
and
we
seem
to
be
somewhat
unique
in
many
many
many
many
things
and
I've
always
wondered
why
we
do
things
differently
and
when
I
look
at
our
recent
history
compared
to
our
neighbors,
I
don't
often
think
that,
because
we
do
things
differently,
it's
always
the
best
thing
and.
A
A
A
I
one
of
my
passions
in
joining
and
joining
the
council
was
to
revitalize
our
downtown.
I
don't
live
near
it
and
it's
not
in
my
district,
and
that
doesn't
mean
that.
A
Then
I'm
going
to
stop
caring
about
downtown
because
I
happen
to
live
in
district
2.,
the
other,
the
other
big
main
point
is,
and
this
the
credit
for
bringing
this
one
up-
and
it
goes
to
the
to
our
vice
mayor-
is
the
fact
that
the
mayor
lives
in
one
of
the
districts,
and
that
means
that
that
district
would
be
the
the
the
representatives
of
that
district
hold
two-fifths
of
the
votes
on
the
council,
and
so
I
don't
necessarily
agree
that
the
that
you
know
going
to
districts
means
that
having
a
large
mayor
is
is
more
valuable,
so
I
am
in
in
favor
of
number
one
that
we
should
place
it
on
the
ballot
and
let
the
people
decide,
and
I
and
as
mentioned
previously,
I
think
it
should
be
separate
from
the
decision.
F
Salazar,
I
would
just
say
that
I'm
generally
opposed
to
trying
to
fix
something
that
is
broken,
and
I
have
never
heard
anyone
complain
to
me
about
having
to
vote
for
mayor.
I
think
some
people
appreciate
having
that
that
ability-
and
I
agree
that
you
know
everybody
on
the
council-
represents
the
entire
city
and
it's
always
been
that
way.
F
I
don't
think
that
will
change,
but
I
I
think
people
also
really
don't
have
a
problem
with
with
electing
their
mayor,
so
you
know
whether
we
place
it
on
the
ballot,
I'm
somewhat
indifferent,
because
I
you
know.
I
also
agree
that
people
should
have
an
opportunity
to
voice
an
opinion.
F
It's
just
one
of
those
things
where
this
we're
saying
that
everything
we
place
on
this
ballot
will
cost
us
another
ten
thousand
dollars,
and
so,
if
we're
gonna
spend
ten
thousand
to
ask
a
question
that
most
people
either
are
indifferent
to
or
might
not
be
in.
Favor
of
changing
doesn't
seem
like
a
good
use
of
public
funds,
and
so
for
that
reason
I
would
say,
let's
leave
it
off,
but
if
it's
something
that
moves
forward,
I
have
to
say
I'm
not
opposed
to
asking
people
that
I
am
opposed
to
wasting
money.
F
Thank
you
vice
mayor
mason,
we
have
our
city
clerk
in
meeting.
A
And
so
I'll
have
melissa
if
you
will
respond
to
that
because
they're
the
mayor's
elected
every
two
years
and
so
there's
the
mayoral
election
that
coincides
with
the
general
election
and
then
the
mayoral
election
that
is
off.
C
Cycle
and
so
melissa,
can
you
discuss
each
of
those?
C
Yes,
so
if
I'm
understanding
the
question
the
the
mayor
and
the
council
are
both
on
an
even
year
cycle
now,
because
of
sb415
and
so,
for
instance,
mayor
medina.
His
term
is
up
this
year
and
as
a
two-year
term,
he
will
be
on
the
november
2022
and
the
november
2024
ballot,
and
he
is
listed.
C
I'm
sorry,
the
mayor
position
is
listed
on
the
ballot
is
just
like
a
council
member
position
is
only
it
will.
Instead
of
saying,
would
you
like
for
this
person
to
run
for
a
four
year
term
or
however
many
years
or
city
council?
It
will
say
for
the
position
of
mayor,
and
so
it
specifies
the
position
of
mayor
instead
of
council
member.
C
Well,
yes,
because
it
is
a
service,
a
consolidated
service
through
san
mateo
county
allegiance.
It
is
a
service
that
we
do
pay
for
to
have
the
mayor
position
on
the
ballot.
The
same
as
we
have.
E
Council
members
on
the
ballot
and
so
we're
so
we
are
paying
an
extra
fee.
It's
not
like
you
have
the
council
and
then
the
mayor
and
they're
all
like
a
one.
One
price
fits
all
right.
You
have
to
actually
pay
an
extra,
an
additional
cost
to
have
the
mayor
separately
listed
the
position
of
the
mayor
separately,
listed
on
the
ballot.
C
I
would
say
I
don't
know
if
that's
necessarily
correct,
because
it's
it's
hard
to
explain,
but
without
having
the
money
here
to
explain
their
billing.
We
wouldn't
get
billed
separately
just
for
having
the
mayor
item
on
unless
it
was
a
stand-alone
election
for
some
reason.
C
But
since
the
mayor
is
aligned
with
the
rest
of
council,
we
we
normally
would
have
the
council
members
on
the
same
ballot
as
mayor,
and
so
the
bill
comes
in
for,
however
many
seats
we
are
putting
on
the
ballot.
So
if
we
have
three
seats
on
the
ballot
one
of
those
including
mayor,
then
that's
what
we
are
billed
for,
not
specifically
getting
a
different
bill.
Just
because
one
is
mayor.
E
And
one
is
council,
member,
okay,
so
you're
saying
I
think
if
I
hear
you
correctly
you're
saying
that
we
pay
something
extra
for
having
the
additional
item
on
the
ballot,
regardless
of
that's,
whether
that's
the
mayoral
seed
or
a
city,
quick
seed
or
a
you
know,
firefighter
seat
whatever
it
might
be.
We're
paying
extra
for
that
extra.
For
that
additional
item.
C
Again,
we're
not
getting
necessarily
paid
extra
just
for
the
mayor
position
we
get
paid
for,
however,
many
seats
total
are
on
the
ballot
as
well
as,
however,
many
ballot
measures
are
on
the
ballot,
it's
not
necessarily
an
additional
charge,
just
because
it's
mayor,
if
I,
if
I
can
after
that
just
add
a
bit
of
clarity
with
a
mayor,
that's
elected
every
two
years,
the
mayor
would
be
on
the
ballot
in
a
four
year
cycle,
twice
with
a
five
district
configuration
that
position,
that
was
the
mayor
would
be
a
four-year
term.
E
Mayor,
you
would
actually
have
one
less
position
in
that
four-year
cycle
that
would
have
been
on
a
ballot,
because
the
mayor
would
now
be
a
council
position
for
four
years
and
so
based
on
what
the
city
clerk
has
said.
If
there
is
a
delta
cost
for
each
position
on
a
four-year
cycle,
there'd
be
some
savings.
E
We
don't
have
that
number
now,
but
there
would
actually,
over
four
years
I
mean
one
less
position
running
with
an
appointment.
There.
E
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
because
I
know
I've
asked
this
before,
but
it
would
be
helpful
to
to
understand
what
the
pricing
is
on
the
ballot.
So
what
is
it
now?
What
if
we
pay
the
last
election
and
then
what
would
it
be
if
the
alternative
was
that
you
had
three
council
members
in
one
and
then
two
and
the
next?
E
A
E
Office
and
have
it
for
our
next
study
session-
okay,
great
and
then
I
I
would
say
for
me:
I
ran
on
this
in
2019.
I
supported
it
in
2020.
It
didn't
get
consensus.
So
I'm
happy
to
see
this
go
to
back
to
the
voters.
E
I
think
that
I
do
agree
with
something
one
of
the
speakers
said
which
was
about.
It
would
have
been
ideal
to
review
this
prior
to
districting,
and
I
agree.
I
said
it
then,
and
I,
but
I
think
at
this
point
the
decision
was
made
by
the
council
to
move
forward,
and
I
don't
know
that
that
should
be
a
barrier,
because
this
was
known
when
that
vote
was
made.
I
mean
this
was
one
of
the
conversations
that
was
had
and
I
actually
have
heard
from
a
number
of
people.
E
Why
aren't
we
in
a
rotating
mayor
city?
So
I've
also
heard
arguments
in
favor
of
keeping
it
at
mayor
and
that
large
mayor
system,
but
I
will
say
I've
heard
I
think,
from
more
people
to
move.
Why
aren't
we
rotating
their
city
versus
a
lot
of
people?
Who,
I
think,
are
more
personal
about
this
because
they're
very
fond
of
our
current
mayor,
but
as
far
as
like
a
a
policy
discussion
around
one
versus
the
other?
That
is
something
that
I
do
not
hear.
Often
it's
largely.
E
Why
aren't
we
like
all
the
other
cemeteries
cities
and
I'll
and
I'll
say
that
during
gover
you
know
during
the
the
switching
of
the
mayors?
E
You
know
the
san
diego
daily
journal
did
a
lot
of
government
watch
updates
and
I
really
enjoyed
looking
at
the
different
mayors
and
that
you
know
the
new
mayors
would
come
up
and
they'd
be
they'd,
say
you
know
my
my
focus
this
year
is
going
to
be
mental
health
or
you
know
whatever
their
initiative
is,
and
I
think
it's
very
exciting,
to
see
something
new
that
can
be
done
and
within
a
scope
of
a
year
and
and
just
have
kind
of
a
new
idea
and
new
face
out
there.
E
So
I
definitely
support
obviously
moving
to
the
rotating
mayor
and
having
the
the
voters
decide
and
ultimately,
the
voters
really
get
to
make
that
decision.
So
I'll
leave
it
to
you
I'll
leave
it
for
mayor
now
to
to.
B
Well,
but,
and
vice
mayor,
how
about
the
second
number,
their
staff
wanted.
E
Oh,
I
would
stick
to
what
I
said
earlier,
which
is
just
I
I'm.
I
I'd
here
see
what
the
pollsters
say,
but
I'm
honestly,
okay,
I
don't
think
I'm
that
torn
one
way
or
the
other
so.
B
So,
city
manager,
you
have
you,
have
three
votes
clearly
or
you
have
a
majority
of
the
consensus
of
the
council.
What
I
what
I
will
say
you
know
at
this
point
I'll
say
something
neutral.
B
However,
just
so
the
historical
perspective,
and
that
was
raised
here
is
that
it
transpired,
because
a
rotational
process
was
understood
and
it
didn't
happen
and
divided
the
community
and
therefore
that's
how
the
first
mayor,
dick
griffin
was
elected
and
that's
been
the
history,
since
it
hasn't
to
knowledge,
hasn't,
come
back
up
on
the
ballot
to
be
asked
and
there's
nothing
ever
wrong
with
folks
being
asked
those
questions
because
it
does
have
to
come
from
they.
B
B
That
is
correct,
too,
where
there
could
be
an
understanding,
but
there
are
cities
that
have
rotate
their
mirror
every
two
years,
one
town,
one
city,
my
knowledge
and
there's
also
a
couple
cities
that
have
reappointed
the
current
mayor
to
a
second
year,
and
it
usually
is
by
a
three
to
two
vote.
The
one
thing
that
I
I
think
we
are
fortunate
to
have
is
that
there
is
never
a
political
discussion
or
a
divide
in
the
community
on
who
is
the
vice
mayor
or
who
the
mayor
is
because
it's
clearly
articulated
and
stipulated.
E
Yeah,
I
don't
know
you
just
touched
on
what
I
was
going
to
say
medina.
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
a
question
to
you,
but
I
do
like
how
certain
cities
just
have
an
auto
rotate
mayor.
So
there's
not
a
vote.
It's
not
a
discussion.
E
I
mean
I
became
the
vice
mayor
and
a
consent
and
a
consent
item
with
like
many
other
items,
so
I
I
would
be
in
favor
of
making
sure
that,
should
this
go
to
the
voters,
that
there
just
be
a
very
clear
articulation,
what
the
process
is
so
that
it's
not
a
vote.
It's
just
an
automatic
quotation.
B
Yes,
and
then
I
I
saw
councilmember
median-
was
about
seeking
that
not
but
but
yes,
I
think
what
I
heard
from
the
vice
mayor
was
that
it'd
be
clear
within
the
initiative.
I
would
say
it
will
be
on
a
rotational
basis
and
can
that
be
established,
but
really
that's
established
thereafter
by
council
by
ordinance,
but
as
was
indicated,
it
doesn't
make
it
bind.
A
Right,
so
I
think
the
question
is:
is
it
possible
for
the
rotational
system
to
be
specified
in
the
ballot
measure?
The
answer
is
yes.
If
that
were
the
case,
then
the
rotational
system
could
not
be
changed
by
a
vote
of
the
city
council.
Unless
the
measure
says
that
the
rotational
system
can
be
changed
by
a
vote
of
the
city
council,
otherwise
it
would
have
to
go
to
a
vote
of
the
people
to
change
that
particular
rotational
method.
So
normally
what
happens
is
that
the
the
the
measure
is
placed
on
the
ballot?
A
Do
you
want
to
go
to
a
you
know
an
appointed
or
rotational
layer,
yes
or
no
leaving
the
city
council
with
a
discretion
to
determine
later
what
that
rotational
method
would
be.
Alternatively,
you
could
put
something
in
the
ballot
measure
that
says:
here's
the
method
and
leave
it
to
the
city
council.
Retain
the
authority
specifically
for
the
city
council
to
change
that
rotational
method,
if
it's
so
wished.
But
if
you
don't
do
that,
then
changing
that
method
would
go
to
a
vote
of
the
people.
B
Thank
you,
councilman
medina,
then
councilmember
hamilton.
B
Thank
you.
It's
my
preference
to
clearly
let
the
public
know
what
they're
going
to
get
by
voting
for
this.
So
if
staff
can
bring
back
this
for
another
discussion,
what
the
options
are,
I
think
we'd
be
doing
everyone
a
favor.
A
By
doing
it
that
way
making
sure
the
public
knows.
I
voted
for
this
because
it's
clear
where
it's
not
in
the
council's
hands
and
I
think
if
it
was
in
the
council's
hands,
it
would
be
more
likely
to
at
some
point
be
a
problem.
So
my
preference
is.
A
So
I'm
also
in
favor
of
being
as
transparent
as
possible.
The
I'm
wondering,
if
maybe
there's
a
there's
a
we
could
do
it
by
saying-
and
you
know,
having
a
you
know,
you
know
clearly
articulated
ballot
measure
that
says
that,
rather
than
just
says
that
we're
abolishing
the
position
of
air
and
having
the
council
a
point,
that's
not
enough
information,
the
having
the!
A
If
you,
then
you
could
state
it
saying
having
the
council
appoint
based
on
a
rotational
basis,
the
basis
to
be
defined
by
the
council
or
something
along
those
lines
to
give
the
give
the
council
the
the
ability
to
adjust
it
if
necessary.
A
But
it's
still,
it's
still
just
a
method
that
you're
picking
between
the
five
and
that's
that
that's
the
that's
the
the
most
important
thing
to
establish
clearly
on
the
on
the
ballot
that
are
appointing
from
the
fight
that
we're
not
that
we're
appointing
from
the
five
people
that
were
elected
by
the
by
the
voters.
Not
you
know,
because
just
just
saying
that
it's
a
point
there's
going
to
be
people
who
look
at
that
and
read
it
and
think
that
we're
just
appointing
some
random
and
that's
obviously
unacceptable.
A
Thank
you,
city
hall,
to
the
mayor,
yeah.
I
I
think
we
understanding
the
intent
of
counsel
on
that
point,
so
we
will
bring
back
options
in
language,
because
this
is
a
study
session.
I
do
want
to
take
the
liberty
and
down
this
topic
a
little
bit
more
deeply,
because
it
will
help
us
in
drafting
options.
The
city
currently
has
a
rotational
schedule
for
vice
mayor
that
works
on
seniority
and.
B
Based
on
time
spent
as
having
served
as
vice
mayor
last,
but
in
a
district
system
system,
you
may
want
to
have
a
rotational
process
that
factors
in
every
district
having
representation
over
a
five-year
period,
and
so
does
the
council
wish
to
have
any
conversations
or
provide
any
direction,
for
example,
keep
the
current
vice
mayor
process.
That's
the
process
we
like,
or
look
at
and
provide
us
options
under
a
district
model
where
the
mayor
would
rotate
through
each
of
the
five
districts.
F
Thank
you
on
that
last
point.
I
want
to
say
that
I
I
was
instrumental
in
changing
the
way
we
appoint
vice
mayors,
because
I
didn't
feel
that
it
was
beneficial
to
anyone
to
have
the
newest
member
on
the
council
serve
as
vice
mayor
and
potentially
have
to
serve
as
mayor
in
any
situation.
F
We
keep
going
in
procession,
and
I
think
that
if
we
do
anything
that
might
be
the
the
better
solution
in
rotating
among
the
among
the
council-
and
I
also
wanted
to
mention
that
vice
mayor
was
an
excellent
point
on
the
cost
of
the
elections.
I
hadn't
considered
that
there
is
a
built-in
cost
to
our
current
model.
That
could
be
at
least
every
other
election
cycle
beneficial.
So.
A
A
Isn't
necessarily
that
great,
so
I
would
be
in
favor
of
you
know,
having
the
ballot
measure
be
flexible
in
the
way
that
I
articulated
earlier,
and
you
know
having
a
system
in
place
that
does
its
best
to
cycle
through,
but
if,
unless
that,
unless
so,
if
you're
gonna,
if,
if
district
one
is
next
and
that
person
is
going
to
be
brand
new,
then
we
don't
go
to
district
one,
and
maybe
we
go
to
you
know
we
go.
We
would
figure
out
what
we're
going
to
do
there.
B
And
maybe
district
one
would
go
the
following
year
or
something
along
those
lines.
So
you
know
we'd
have
to
see
what
the
what
the
process
is
and
what
options
we
have
you'd
have.
Thank
you
remember
any
other
comments
to
sorry.
Excuse
me,
the
city
manager
yeah,
I,
oh
I'm,
sorry,
councilmember.
Sorry,
no!
Sorry,
mr
mayor,
I
realized
that
that
was
a
good
idea
and,
and
so
I
I.
A
I
too
would
to
tell
from
personal
experience
when
I
first
got
elected.
I
was
vice
mayor
and
it
was
just
like
what
you
know
like
like
it
was
difficult,
so
it's
great
that
we
changed
that
and
it'd
be
interesting
to
see
how,
like
the
vice
mayor,
just
turns
into
the
mayor
the
following
year,
if,
if
that
was
allowed
based
on,
if
they
were
reelected
and
everything,
so
there
is
a
solution
here
to
pretty
much
protect
the
person
coming
in
to
be
overwhelmed
and
to
have
an
order
in
place
that.
E
Helps
out
with
the
experience,
so
thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
think
everybody
vice
mayor
yeah.
I
agree.
I
agree
with
the
comments
that
council
member
salzar
mentioned,
for
the
reason
that
we
do
the
vice
mayor.
So
I'm
fine
with
that
for
the
mayor
as
well,
when
it
goes
when
it
comes
back
to
us.
Thank
you.
B
Okay,
good
steph,
I
think
you've
got
clear
direction
about
because
I
think
you
were
more
specific
on
the
vice
mayor,
but
I
think
you
got
added
input
regarding
the
mayor
as
well
yeah.
So
thank
you
and
to
be
clear,
I
think
it's
council
members
marty
medina
tom
hamilton
vice
mayor
mason,.
A
As
a
yes
to
continue
council
member
salazar
as
a
no
and
mayor
mayor
with
respect
to
number
two
separate
council
member
marty,
menina
and
tom
hamilton
as
a
guest
and
vice
mayor
mason
as
a
to
be
determined
based
on
the
poll.
But
could.
B
B
As
we
said,
it's
fair
to.
B
Okay,
if
that,
then
we
will
move
forward
to
item
c
conduct
study
session
and
provide
direction
regarding
submitting
a
measure
to
the
voters.
At
the
november
8th
2022
general
election
repealing
section
2.04.1.
B
A
You
again,
mr
mayor
members
of
the
city
council,
so
we're
on
our
third
of
four
topics
for
this
evening,
which
is
to
reestablish
term
limits
for
council
members,
and
we
titled
this
section
of
the
presentation
in
that
way
because,
as
you
can
see
from
the
staff
report
and
as
you'll
see
from
the
powerpoint
presentation
term
limits
have
a
very
unusual
and
convoluted
history
in
the
state
of
california.
A
But
shortly
thereafter
there
was
a
number
of
court
decisions
that
invalidated
term
limits
and
then
in
1988
the
city
actually
repealed
the
term
limit
ordinance
in
order
to
comply
with
those
court
decisions
and
because
the
city
council
chose
to
take
that
action
without
a
vote
of
the
people.
And
you
might
wonder
how
is
that
possible?
It
was
adopted
by
a
vote
of
the
people,
and
the
answer
is
because
those
court
decisions
essentially
invalidated
those
term
limits
so
to
be
on
the
safe
side.
A
Now
in
the
city
of
san
bruno,
in
1995,
state
law
was
finally
amended
to
clearly
authorize
establishing
term
limits
by
a
vote
of
the
people,
and
so
we
have
a
little
list
here
for
you
of
the
various
term
limits
in
san
mateo
county
you'll
see
they
range
from
foster
city
to
redwood
city,
either
two
consecutive
terms
two
three
or
four,
and
that
pacifica
is
a
bit
of
an
outlier
in
that
there
are
two
four-year
terms
in
total,
whether
consecutive
or
not.
A
A
Those
who
oppose
term
limits
may
argue
they
would
reduce
institutional
knowledge
on
the
city,
council
and
perhaps
elected
officials
would
not
be
familiar
with
the
complexities
of
local
government
that
had
they
been
on
the
city
council
for
more
than
a
specified
number
of
terms.
So
really,
there
are
only
two
variables
with
respect
to
term
limits.
One
of
them
is
how
many
terms
and
the
second
one
is:
do
you
apply
it
to
consecutive
terms
or
a
total
number
of
terms?
A
So
here
are
your
questions.
Do
you
want
to
place
it
on
the
ballot?
Yes
or
no?
Do
you
want
to
have
it
be
separate
from
the
charter
or
combined
with
the
charter?
I
know
we've
heard
some
commentary
about
that
already
and
then
the
only
other
issues
to
determine
are
the
number
of
terms
to
limit
and
whether
the
limit
applies
to
all
terms
or
only
successive
terms.
A
B
D
Hey
this
is
an
issue
where
again,
I
know
I've
spoken
to
some
of
you
separately,
but
I
just
want
to
observe
that
there
is
like
a
decent
amount
of
political
science
research
on
this
topic.
That
is
pretty
unidirectional
that
term
limits
tend
to
impoverish
the
the
actual
sort
of
experience
of
the
legislators
relative
to
other
players
in
local
politics,
who
you
can't
term
limit.
So
you
know
the
owner
the
big
owners
of
local
commercial
real
estate.
D
We
can't
limit
them
to
eight
years
service,
so
they're
going
to
be
around
for
20,
30,
40
years
and
kind
of
know
where
the
leverage
points
are
have
a
network,
and
you
know
like,
like
the
voters.
If
the
voters
decide
that
somebody
serving
on
the
city
council,
they
don't
want
them,
they
can
always
boot
them
out.
That's
what
elections
are
for.
We
don't
need
to
artificially
limit
that.
D
C
Oh
hi,
thank
you,
council
members
and
apologize
if
I
may
end
up
repeating
some
things
that
rs
already
said
my
connection
disconnected
because
I
was
walking
between
buildings
but
still
at
work,
but
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I'm
also
really
opposed
to
the
idea
of
term
limits.
We
already
have
terminal
limits,
they're
called
elections,
and
I
find
it
completely
ridiculous
that
somehow,
when
it
comes
to
politics,
people
seem
to
think
that
inexperience
is
better,
whereas
in
almost
every
other
profession,
experience
is
considered
a
good
thing.
C
It's
going
to
lead
to
people
I
mean
I
shouldn't
say
that
it's
going
to
lead
to
people
with
short-term
short-term
visions,
but
it
may
lead
to
that.
The
idea
that
if
you
only
have
four
or
eight
years,
you
can
only
accomplish
things
that
take
four
or
eight
years
and
as
gosh.
This
is
really
bad
as
our
our
previous
council
member,
who
actually
recently
got
voted
out
and
I'm
blanking
on
her
name.
It's
been
a
long
day
at
work
mentioned.
C
C
I
see
no
other
hands
raised.
Thank
you
so
with
that
I'll.
B
A
So
I
just
want
to
clarify:
I
was
reading
the
looking
at
the
the
actual
ballot
language
from
1977
was
fascinating
ballot.
That's
actually
what
I
was
reading
when
I
missed
roll
call,
and
so
proposition
c
city
council
members
elected
in
the
city
of
san
bruno
after
january,
1
1978
be
limited
to
two
consecutive
four-year
terms.
So
I
just
want
to
be
clear
because
I
mean
that's
it.
That's
the
entire
palette
language.
I
want
to
be
clear,
so
they
so
at
that
time
they,
the
voters,
said
you
serve
you.
A
A
So
we,
if
we,
if
we
decide
to
move
forward
with
it,
it
needs
to
be
a
lot
less
ambiguous
than
this
word
that
was
used
in
the
70s
or,
conversely,
you
just
need
to
specify
what
you
mean
and
like
pacifica
did
and,
like
perhaps
other
cities
did,
that
it's
limited
to
either
a
certain
number
of
consecutive
terms
or
the
total
number
of
terms
that
anybody
can
serve
on
the
city
council
for
is
x
whatever.
That
number
is
right,
okay,
so
and
so
just
to
clarify
19
the
rule
that
was
that
was
voted
in
1978.
A
Yes,
thank
you.
It's
hard
to
argue
that
we
already
have
term
limits
and,
and
those
are
elections-
that's
absolutely
a
fact.
People
can
decide
whether
they
want
to
continue
having
the
same
person,
including
their
council.
Member
being
that
I
am
completing
my
second
term
and
I
and
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
let
the
people
decide
here.
A
I
I
know
more,
my
second
term
than
I
did
in
my
first
and
then,
if
I
was
fortunate
enough
to
be
on
for
a
third
term,
I
would
I
would
be
even
better
prepared
than
during
my
second,
but
I
I
believe
that
the
opportunity
to
to
allow
others
to
have
a
cleaner
path
is
important,
so
I'm
in
favor
of
placing
it
on
the
ballot.
A
I
also
think
that
finding
that
you
could
put
in
your
two
or
three
terms,
you
can
figure
that
out
and
then,
after
that
you
need
to
take
a
break,
and
that
would
be
until
the
next
collection
would
that
be
a
four-year
break.
Would
we
specify
that
so,
and
that
would
be
definitely
separate
from
the
from
the
charter
as
I'm
going
through
the
through
this
list?
So
a
number
of
terms
limit
two
or
three.
Sometimes
when
you
get
on
the
council,
maybe
you're
in
a
really
minority.
A
I
I
felt
felt
that's
what
was
the
case
in
my
career
here,
and
it
takes
a
long
time
as
as
plymouth
said,
to
get
some
things
done.
A
B
Thank
you,
councilmember
any
other
comments
or
direction
from
colleagues
councilmember,
salazar.
F
F
This
is
one
item
that
I
had
thought
was
kind
of
a
a
no-brainer,
and
you
know
the
past.
The
electorate
has
decided
that
it
was
a
good
thing
and
that
they
wanted
to
impose
limits.
But
in
thinking
about
this,
in
my
own
experience
on
the
council,
I'm
really
thinking
that
it's
probably
not
a
good
idea
and
in
hearing
you
know
medina
say
you
know,
he's
intending
to
run
for
his
third,
which
he
wouldn't
be
able
to.
F
If
we
decided
there
was
only
two
terms,
you
know,
even
though
one
of
them
might
have
been
a
three-year
term,
four-year
term
that
you
know.
If
we
saved
two
terms,
that's
it.
You
had
a
short
term,
you
had
a
lot
full
term
and
but
now
that's
it,
and
maybe
you
were
just
picking
up
your
stride,
getting
things
moving,
but
now
you're
you're
out
and
now
that
we're
in
districts
it
would
have
to
be
a
four-year
break.
F
It
couldn't
be
a
two-year
break
until
the
next
cycle
I
lost
an
election
took
two
years
off
came
back
in
two
years,
but
in
this
situation
now
it
would
have
to
be
four
years
and
a
lot
of
things
can
happen
in
four
years.
People
may
decide
not
to
come
back.
I've
also
been
in
elections
where
I
was
unopposed
and
no
there
was
nobody
else
to
run.
F
We've
got
a
council
now,
that's
got
two
first
time
elected
people
and
and
as
I
mentioned
council
member
medina
is
finishing
out
his
second
term.
So
it's
not
like.
We
have
a
problem
with
people,
not
leaving.
That
may
have
been
a
more.
F
You
know
breathing
argument.
A
few
years
ago
we
had
some
council
members
that
had
been
in
office
for
a
long
time
and
again
some
of
them
had
run
unopposed
for
many
election
cycles,
but
I
I
don't
think
that
there's
a
problem
here
to
fix
right
now.
I
think
that
if
we
were
to
place
this
on
the
ballot,
there's
sort
of
it's
sort
of
implied
when
we
place
things
on
the
ballot
that
we're
endorsing
them
or
we're
thinking
that
they
are
a
good
idea.
F
That's
why
we
want
permission
from
the
electorate
to
do
these
things,
and
in
this
case
I
really
think
it.
It
makes
our
job
more
difficult.
If
we
are
limited
in
the
amount
of
time
that
we
have
on
the
council
to
see
things
through
it,
it
definitely
hurts
there
are
things
there
are
things
that
I've
been
working
to
try
to
get
prioritized.
F
Since
I
first
got
on
the
council
many
many
years
ago,
still
waiting
to
get
those
done
still
advocating
for
them
still
pushing
a
lot
of
those
things
could
just
be
forgotten
once
I'm
not
here
to
champion
them
or
anyone
else
who
was
here
to
champion
them.
So
there
is
a
benefit
to
having
that
continuity.
So
I'm
really
thinking
that
I
don't
really
want
to
put
this
on
the
ballot.
F
E
Yeah
I
mean
I
continue
to
be
a
supporter
of
placing
this
on
the
ballot.
I
think
that
we
should
place
some
about.
There
are
some
good
points
made
tonight
and
I
think
I
would
just
say
that
it's
one
thing
to
have
knowledge
and
have
your
knowledge
growth
over
many
years.
It's,
but,
but
I
think
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it
matters
how
that
knowledge
is
used,
and
I
think
at
some
point
you
know
there
are
populations
that
become
pathetic.
E
At
some
point,
I
think,
in
the
same
way
that
there's
science,
political
science,
that
supporter
doesn't
support
term
limits,
there's
the
same
that
supports
and
doesn't
support,
incumbencies
and
and
the
reality
of
how
incumbencies
win
elections
as
well,
and
so
that
matched
with
that
knowledge
and
how
that
knowledge
is
used
over
the
years
really
makes
a
significant
difference
to
a
community,
especially
the
smaller
the
communities
get
and
the
more
neighborly.
E
They
are
because
those
politicians
are
your
friends,
and
so
I
think
that
this
really
allows
the
public
to
take
a
break
and
to
have
not
just
new
blood
and
new
ideas,
but
also
to
have
members
of
the
public
see
that
there
might
be
an
opportunity
for
something
different
out
there.
That
is
known
or
has
been
known
in
san
bruno
in
some
cases
for
20
plus
years.
E
So
I
I
would
say
that
I
think
separating
from
the
just
the
humanistic
part
of
it,
I
do
think
there's
a
definite
benefit
to
term
limits
separate
from
the
charter
combined.
I
stick
to
the
same
thing.
I've
said
along
the
previous
items
is
whether
it's
you
know,
let's
see
what
the
pollsters
say
number
of
terms
to
limit,
I
do
think,
being
government
in
my
regular
life
as
well
outside
of
the
council.
E
E
I
was
actually
just
talking
to
a
council
member
from
another
city
that
has
a
limit
and
they
you
can't
ever
run
again
in
a
lifetime,
and
so
I'd
be
okay
with
12
years
kind
of
you
rotate
out
and
then
let
the
public
see
what
else
is
up
there
and
if
the
public
wants
to
vote
you
back
in
then
that's
fine.
I
think
that's
very
democratic,
but
I
think
in
the
same
way
that
we
are
asking
the
public
to
make
this
decision.
E
We
should
also
allow
the
public
an
opportunity
to
vote
that
person
if
they
feel
like
they
were
better
than
the
person
that
stepped
in
or
or
not
right,
because
you'd
have
to
run
again
and
not
have
incumbent
as
your
description
on
the
on
the
ballot
measure
applies
to
all
terms
or
only
successive
terms,
and
I
think
I
just
answered
that
question.
So
thank
you.
A
So
I'm
going
to
agree
with
the
vice
mayor.
Here
I
was
going
to
say
the
a
lot
of
the
same
things,
the
I
think
at
least
for
me,
but
like
I
have
a
suspicion
that
it's
true
for
all
the
council
members.
I
was
one
of
the
one
of
the
many
things
that
I
learned,
that
was
a
kind
of
a
rude
awakening
after
becoming
elected,
is
just
seeing
how
difficult
it
is
to
many
things
and
the.
A
But
I
also
don't
think
that
that
is
a
reason
to
just
allow
unlimited
term
after
term
after
term,
because
it
is
you
know,
incumbency
is
a
real
thing
and
you
know
we
we
saw
in
the
in
the
2020
election
that
you
know
a
lot
of
people
came
out
to
vote
in
the
presidential
election
because
it
was
so
important
for
the
country
and
a
lot
of
those
people.
A
You
know,
or
you
know,
there's
a
certain
percentage
of
those
people
going
down.
The
ballot
were
like
well,
I
didn't
study
the
rest
of
this
stuff,
so
the
check
can
come
in
and
come
and
come
back
and
that's
that's
the
thing
that
is
actually
that's
actual
real
thing.
So
the
so
I'm
I
I
am
in
favor
of
putting
this
on
the
ballot
and
letting
the
voters
decide,
but
I
would
want
it
to
be
three
consecutive
terms.
So
three
three
consecutive
four-year
turns
with
no
limit
on
total
number
of
terms
in
a
lifetime.
A
One
other
comment
just
just
for
a
subtle
academic
debate.
I
believe
house
member
medina
would
have
been
able
to
run
again
because
he
did
not
serve
two
consecutive
four-year
terms.
He
served
a
four
and
then
a
three
libya.
He
would
be
able
to
run
a
third
time
now.
The
mayor.
Yes,
please
claire,
for
that
point,
I'll
turn
it
over
to
the
city
attorney.
I
don't
want
to
play
attorney
right
now.
No,
that's
that's!
Okay!
I
think
we
both
know
what
the
answer
is,
which
is
the
this
measure.
A
If
it
were
placed
on
the
ballot
and
approved
would
operate
only
prospectively,
so
none
of
your
prior
terms
would
in
essence
count
you
would
if
three
year
three
consecutive
terms
were
placed
on
the
ballot,
then,
regardless
of
how
long
you've
been
on
the
city
council,
you
can
run
for
three.
You
can
be
on
the
council
for
three
consecutive
four-year
terms
that
wasn't
the
question
that
I
asked.
But
that's
really
that's
that's.
B
What
I
have
been
asking
myself
is:
what
is
the
problem
we're
trying
to
fix
and
I'm
going
back,
and
I
was
looking
at
prior
councils
going
back
sometime
when
this
is
probably
this
is
the
newest
council
as
far
as
new
blood
new
folks,
because
I'm
thinking
back
long
ago,
and
even
when
I
was
a
city
employee
and
so
I'm
again
trying
to
ask
myself
what's
the
problem,
we're
trying
to
fix,
with,
with
the
other
items,
we're
trying
to
bring
up
and
there's
probably
more
to
them.
B
Potentially,
I
don't
see
that
this
is
a
a
critical
point
at
this
time.
For
this
question
going
forward.
B
I
do
know
that
there
have
been
members
in
the
history
of
the
city
who
have,
in
one
term
lost
for
re-election
and
there's
others
that
have
served
before.
So
there
has
been
turnover
and
people
saying
enough,
and
there
are
some
times
that
we
don't
win
re-election.
B
So
I
think
that's
up
to
the
people
to
decide,
and
I
do
know,
as
in
pacifica
vice
mayor
had
mentioned.
I
spoke
to
somebody
too
in
pacifica
over
council
cities
matter,
and
it
is
truly
eight
years
for
life.
The
interesting
thing
is
when
they
propose
that
measure
in
pacifica
the
incumbents
were
re-elected,
so
it
was
just
kind
of
ironic
how
even
they
came
a
very
astringent
time,
but
anyway
I
I
think
clearly
what
I've
heard
is
changed
or
no
I've
heard
that
two
said
three.
B
When
you
turn
your
head
off,
thank
you.
I
appreciate
you
doing
that
seriously.
Let
me
remind
you
what
I
was
saying
is.
I
had
heard
that
there
are
three
yeses
two
no's.
I
also
heard
from
two
that
there
are
two
three
consecutives
and
I
believe,
councilmember
medina
was
two
or
three
consecutive,
but
had
mentioned
both
as
what
I
had
written
down.
Real
quick.
B
Trying
to
get
better
okay,
so
I
think
we're
good
on
that
topic.
B
I'd
see
that
I
have
a
hand
up
in
the
in
the
audience,
I'm
gonna
just
to
be
fair
and
as
I
did
it
before
one
other
time,
but
I
don't
want
to
keep
doing
this
so
this
that
we're
almost
we're
almost
concluded.
So
why
don't
we
go
ahead
and
open
up
to
the
member
of
the
community?
That's
been
here
and
here
with
us
this
evening.
C
C
Hi,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
whenever
you're
ready,
I'm
ready,
I
apologize,
I
I
must
have
written
down
the
wrong
time.
I
thought
the
meeting
started
at
seven
o'clock.
I
apologize
thank
you,
mayor
medina
council
members
and
everyone
for
allowing
me
to
speak.
I
just
wanted
to
read
a
little
bit
of
this
article
from
december
22
2020..
C
It's
it's
an
opinion
piece
in
the
in
the
newspaper
and
I
couldn't
say
it
better
myself,
but
it's
from
dr
melissa,
michaelson
she's,
the
dean
of
arts
and
sciences
and
professor
of
political
science
at
menlo
college
she's
talking
about
district
elections
and
the
reason
why
it's
important,
but
she
also
talks
a
little
bit
about
term
limits,
and
so
I'm
just
going
to
read
a
few
sentences
here
because
I
couldn't
have
said
it
better
myself.
C
So
she's
she's
agreeing
that
district
elections
increase
democracy,
making
it
more
likely
that
individuals
with
less
financial
resources
will
choose
to
run
making
space
for
new
voices
and
perspectives.
District
elections
make
it
easier
for
local
communities
to
have
a
political
voice.
They
encourage
individuals
who
are
not
independently,
wealthy
or
easily
able
to
tap
into
large
donations.
To
consider
an
elected
office,
whether
district
elections
are
the
best
option
for
a
city
is
not
determined
by
the
population
size,
but
it
is
its
weather.
C
Historically,
marginalized
communities
have
a
fair
shot
at
getting
a
proportional
share
of
the
political
power
term.
Limits,
on
the
other
hand,
restrict
democracy.
They
remove
what
the
founding
fathers
believe
was
the
most
powerful
incentive
for
good
behavior
in
public
office,
which
is
accountability
to
the
public
term.
Limits
have
harmed
our
state
government.
They
remove
good
representatives
who
are
delivering
their
constituents
delivering
I'm
sorry
for
their
constituents
when
term
limits
are
in
place.
Challengers
are
incentivized,
since
that's
a
hard
word
incentivized
to
wait
for
the
incumbent
to
be
termed
out
rather
than
to
challenge
the
midterm.
C
This
makes
those
seats
even
safer
for
incumbents,
for
as
long
as
they
are
eligible
for
re-election,
making
them
less
accountable
to
the
public
and
diminishing
democracy
when
serving
their
last
years
in
office.
Without
possibility
of
re-election,
an
elected
member
has
far
less
incentive
to
continue
to
be
responsible
to
their
constituency
constituents.
Instead,
they
may
have
their
eye
on
the
next
elective
office
or
even
a
lobbyist.
C
When
elected
officials
know
that
time
in
office
is
limited,
they're
encouraged
to
go
for
a
quick,
easy
win,
rather
than
to
think
about
how
to
solve
problems
that
require
long-term
solutions
when
they
are
termed
out
government
loses
their
expertise
and
their
institutional
memory.
Once
again,
I
just
wanted
to
read
this.
This
opinion
piece
it's
from
about
15
months
ago
from
dr
melissa,
michaelson,
the
dean
of
arts
and
sciences
and
a
professor
of
political
science.
C
I
really
believe
that
let
the
voters
decide
we
don't
want
to
lose
an
institutional
institutional
knowledge
and
also,
if
we
have
a
great
community
member
who's
elected,
why
not
keep
them
in
office
longer?
Let
the
voters
decide.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak.
Thank
you.
C
B
You
for
your
comments
with
that.
Just
this
concludes
item
c.
We'll
move
on
to
item
b
final,
one
of
the
night
study
session
conduct
study
session
and
provide
direction
regarding
adopting
local
campaign,
finance
regulations
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to.
I
think
the
city
attorney.
A
Very
good,
thank
you
again.
So
this
is
our
final
topic
for
this
evening
and
we'll
start
by
saying
that
state
law
authorizes
cities
to
adopt
local
contribution
limits
without
a
vote
of
the
people.
So
this
is
not
something
that
must
go
on
the
ballot.
It
is
something
that
the
city
council
could
decide
go
on.
The
ballot
along
with
whatever
other
items
may
also
be
on
the
ballot.
A
As
indicated
in
the
staff
report,
the
contribution
limits,
forty
nine
hundred
dollars
per
person,
that's
set
by
state
law,
and
that
includes
a
very
robust
set
of
regulations
for
compliance
and
enforcement.
Here's
a
table
showing
of
all
the
cities
in
the
county
with
their
individual
limits.
Excuse
me
with
their
contribution
limits
for
both
individuals
and
then
organizations
or
entities,
and
then
is
a
non-complete
summary
of
some
other
features
that
are
notable
of
some
of
those
campaign,
finance
regulations
and
those
contributions.
A
So,
for
example,
some
of
them
have
limits,
but
also
have
public
reporting
of
contributions
over
a
certain
amount.
Others
limited
loans
by
candidates
and
so
on.
So,
there's
sort
of
a
whole
variety
of
things
you
could
do
most
common
is
simply
just
a
lower
contribution
limit
of
somewhere
between
500
and
a
thousand
dollars
per
individual
or
organization.
A
The
question
for
you
tonight
is
whether
to
follow
state
limits,
and
you
can
do
that
in
two
ways:
you
can
take
no
action
at
all
or
you
can
explicitly
adopt
the
state
limits
and
doing
either
of
those
things
by
implication
includes
all
of
the
other
state
regulations
for
campaign
contributions,
and
it's
important
to
note
that
that
the
state
is
then
obligated
to
enforce
those,
not
the
city.
A
An
alternative
is
you
can
adopt
local
contribution
limits
again.
The
city
council
can
do
that
on
its
own
or
choose
to
do
so
by
a
vote
of
the
people.
You
can
establish
a
variety
of
local
regulations
and
exemptions
that
either
are
the
same
or
different
from
state
law.
The
difference
is
that
if
you
do
that,
it's
going
to
require
local
enforcement
with
associated
resources
and
staff
time
and
to
be
honest,
staff,
has
not
determined
how
much
time
that
would
take
primarily
because
there's
not
a
decision
or
direction
about
what
those
regulations
would
entail.
A
There
is
another
aspect
to
campaign
finance
reform,
and
that
is
the
the
possibility
of
public
campaign
financing,
and
this
came
up
during
staffs
research.
It's
only
available
to
charter
cities.
There
is
a
specific
prohibition
against
general
law
cities,
funding
campaigns
with
public
funds,
but
not
so
with
charter
cities,
and
you
might
ask
yourself
well.
Why
is
that?
And
the
answer
is
that
elections
are
determined
by
courts
to
be
a
purely
municipal
affair.
A
In
other
words,
the
category
of
things
that
charter
says,
can
regulate
those
cities
that
do
provide
public
financing,
provide
some
public
funds
for
candidates.
It's
usually
based
on
the
number
of
candidates
running
and
some
sort
of
city
match
based
on
the
budget,
but
staff
has
not
researched
this
topic.
We
just
know
it
happens
to
be
out
there
and
the
cities
that
do
it
are
generally
larger.
A
Larger
cities
oakland
san
francisco,
berkeley
that
are,
of
course,
charter
cities.
So
the
decisions
for
you
this
evening
are:
would
you
like
staff
to
develop
such
an
ordinance,
limiting
contributions
again
separate
from
the
charter
or
combined?
Do
you
want
to
have
it
on
the
ballot
or
not
and
that
either
way?
What
specific
dollar
limits.
B
Would
you
recommend
and
then
finally,
do
you
want
staff
to
further
research,
public
financing
of
local
campaigns,
so
that
completes
my
very
brief
presentation
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
and
listen
to
any
input
from
the
public.
Thank
you
very
much
to
the
attorney.
Let's
turn
to
public
to
see
if
there's
any
comments
or
questions,
and
I
would
ask
if
city
clerk
can
once
again
assist
us
and
bring
them
into
the
room.
D
Hey
so
I
appreciate
the
the
spirit
of
attempting
to
limit
campaign
spending.
I
was
a
big
fan
of
the
arizona
clean
money
system
which
we
we
had
a
proposition
in
california,
where
they
tried
to
pass
something
similar
statewide
a
number
of
years
ago.
D
Unfortunately,
since
then,
what's
happened
with
supreme
court
precedent
is
that
it
has
become
incredibly
difficult
to
regulate
external
independent
expenditures,
and
so
you
can
regulate
the
hard
money
donations
to
a
candidate's
campaign
committee,
but
there
is
essentially
no
way
to
regulate
if
you
know
some
real
estate
pack
from
socal
or
some
candidates,
you
know
mom
or
whatever
it
is
wants
to
spend
four
million
dollars
on
an
election.
D
You
know
like
they
have
a
first
amendment
right,
apparently
to
do
that
to
spend
basically
an
unlimited
amount
of
money,
which
is
it's
a
great
frustration
for
me
and
I'm
not
super
opposed
to
regulating
hard
money.
But
I
do
worry
that
this
will
simply
drive
money
from
where
it's
visible,
where
we
know
who
donated
to
what
into
some
of
these
weirder
dark
money
forms.
D
So
I
think
it's
something
to
to
bear
in
mind
that
you
can.
You
can
regulate
this,
but
unless
you
can
get
your
new
supreme
court,
there's
really
no
way
right
now
to
get
money
entirely
out
of
elections,
so
it
is
sort
of
an
exercise
in
futility.
D
B
Okay,
we'll
bring
you
to
the
council
councilmember.
A
Yes,
thank
you,
I
believe
in
having
some
limits
here.
I
think
500
for
an
individual
and
a
thousand
for
an
entity
should
be
sufficient,
especially
now
that
we
have
district
elections
number
two
here,
it's
separate
and
it
doesn't
require
the
charter.
The
city
can
go
ahead
and
do
it
on
their
own
or
the
council
would
do
it
on
their
own
and
at
some
point
maybe
in
2024
the
council
could
decide
to
have
a
commission
and
they
could
look
into
public
campaign
financing.
B
But
I
think
those
are
sufficient
answers
for
now.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
next
person,
please
that
wishes.
I
I
I
would
throw
something
really
quick
as
we're
dialoguing,
because
we
do
have
districts
going,
but
we
still
have
a
directly
elected
position.
So
obviously
there
are
two
sets
of
cost
differences,
maybe
that
doesn't
matter,
but
I'm
just
making
that
as
a
point
on
distributing
printing
etc.
B
F
So
I'm
gonna
say
that
I
am
not
in
favor
of
doing
this
and
I
guess
this
is
something
that
we
we
can
reconsider
at
any
time,
but
in
general
I'm
gonna
say
this
also
falls
into
the
category
of
trying
to
fix
something
that
may
not
be
broken.
F
F
It's
interesting
to
see
that
probably
the
person
that
reported
the
most
donations
and
expenses
didn't
win,
and
so
that's
almost
to
me,
it
seems
that
there
is
evidence
that
money
money
doesn't
equate
to
to
winnings,
and
I
think
historically,
we've
seen
that
in
san
bruno,
where
there's
been
big
dollar
campaigns
that
don't
pan
out
for
those
candidates.
So
I
don't
know
that
this
is
a
necessity
for
us
in
san
bruno
and
you
know,
sort
of
echoing
what
I
heard
from
from
aros.
F
It
does
sort
of
incentivize
people
to
do
things
more
underhanded
if
that,
if
there
is
an
intent
to
to
buy
an
election
to
do
it
in
a
way,
that's
you
know
more
in
the
shadows
and
rather
than
reporting
the
way
contributions
normally
would
be
conducted.
F
It
doesn't
prevent
people
that
have
support
from
from
large
packs
from
gaining
an
upper
hand.
If
it
does
come
down
to
you,
know,
printing
and
mailing
and
doing
those
sorts
of
things.
F
If
that's
going
to
be
required
in
an
election,
somebody
that
is
limited
and
how
much
money
they
can
raise
is
now
going
to
be
at
a
disadvantage
to
somebody
that
may
be
completely
unfettered,
because
some
organization
can
do
things
independently
without
contributing
to
the
candidate,
but
also
but
still
promote
the
candidate,
and
so
that's
still
allowed,
and
so,
as
arrows
mentioned
until
you
change
the
laws
for
everyone,
you're
only
handicapping
the
the
people
who
I'm
here
in
san
bruno.
So
again,
I
don't
really
I'm
not
that
strongly
opposed.
F
I
I
know
that
elections
have
been
won
here
with
much
smaller
donations.
Much
you
know.
Without
spending
a
lot
of
money,
you
can
still
win
the
elections
here
in
san
bruno,
so
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
have
a
big
impact.
It's
only
if
somebody
does
decide
they
want
to
hijack
an
election
and
spend
a
lot
of
money.
There
are
ways
to
get
around
this
and
you're
only
limiting
the
people
that
are
going
to
play
by
the
rules.
B
Council
member
hamilton,
so
I
absolutely
agree
with
the
argument
that.
A
You
know
that
imposing
local
contribution
limits
doesn't
fully
solve
the
problem.
You
know,
because
of
all
that's
been,
that's
been
gone
through
and
I've
discussed
this
publicly
several
times
so
that
that
is
absolutely
a
thing.
A
I
I
think
imposing
a
local
contribution
limit
would
be
largely
symbolic.
For
those
reasons
I
am
one
of
those
people
who
were
was
able
to
prevail
against
someone
with
a
lot
more
money
without
spending
a
lot
of
money.
A
I
you
know
I
was.
I
prevailed
in
a
general
election
city-wide,
my
total
budget
was
50
5200
and,
and
over
half
of
that
was
my
own
money,
so
it
in,
and
so
it
absolutely
is,
is
possible.
A
A
So
if
you
know,
if
we
were
to
put
it
on
the
ballot
and
impose
you
know,
250
limit
for
individuals
and
500
varieties
or
whatever
it
was
and
put
that
on
the
ballot,
we
couldn't
change
that
limit
without
going
back
to
the
ballot
and
that
you
know
that
could
be
problematic.
If
you
know
there's
you
know
inflation
and
all
those
types
of
things,
and
you
know
it
really
makes
it
difficult
for
folks
to
run
so
for
number
one.
Yes,
I
wanted.
I
would
like
to
develop
an
ordinance
second.
A
Should
we
put
it
on
the?
Should
we
put
it
in
the
charter?
No,
should
we
put
it
as
a
separate
item
on
the
ballot?
No
and
then
specific
dollar
limits,
I
think
I'm
fine
with
with
what
councilmember
medina
proposed,
and
I
also
agree
that
you
know
we
could
look
at.
We.
B
F
Councilmember
salazar.
Thank
you
thank
you.
So
I
I
had
another
question
on
whether
the
contribution
limits
that
that
we
would
impose
would
apply
to
the
candidate
meaning.
Can
the
candidate
self-fund
a
campaign
without
limits?
In
spite
of
this.
A
E
Yeah,
I
think
I
mean
I
think
that's.
I
will
say
that
one
of
the
questions
that
I
think
is
reasonable
around
what
you
know.
What
problem
are
we
trying
to
fix?
What
the
only
thing
I'll
say
is
that
when
I
ran
for
office
in
19
this,
these
are
issues
that
I
ran
on
and
I
got
elected
with
the
highest
vote.
These
are
the
same
issues
I
brought
up
in
2020
when
I
lost
to
mayor
medina
by
9
of
the
vote
telling
me
that
there
is
support
for
these
ideas.
E
It's
not
necessarily
the
person,
it's
the
ideas
that
are
coming
forth.
So
I
think
that
while
we
look
at
different
methods
to
improve
representation,
there
have
been
many
brought
up
tonight.
Districting
was
brought
up
two
weeks
ago,
but
this
is
another
one
that
really,
I
think,
can
improve
the
representation
in
san
bruno
and
when
we
look
at
fi,
you
know
funding
campaigns.
You
know,
council
member
hamilton
really
hit
the
nail
on
the
head
for
me,
which
is
not
so
much.
E
You
know,
there's
so
much
money
being
spent
on
campaigns
and
you
know
that
they
didn't
win
the
election
anyway.
Being
you
know
they
whoever
that
might
be,
but
I
do
think
it's
a
matter
of
whether
we
as
as
a
citizenry,
believe
that
this
much
money
should
be
spent
on
the
local
campaign.
I
have
been
naive
to
larger
elections.
I've
been
actually
blown
away
at
how
much
money
is
spent
so
far
on
the
local.
You
know
congressional
elections,
the
assembly
races
in
an
understanding.
E
Now
I
think,
having
gone
through
the
election
cycle,
that
elections
are
very
expensive
and
you
have
a
lot
more
of
a
population
to
deal
with
at
the
higher
levels
and
so
understanding
that,
but
also
understanding
that
san
bruno
isn't
that
big,
and
especially
now
that
we're
moving
to
this
districting
set
section
or
this
districting
model,
I
mean
there's
even
less
of
a
need
to
really
fund
so
much
I
mean.
I
think
that
part
of
what
for
me,
I
want
to
try
to
do
is
not
just
say.
San
bruno
is
not.
E
Okay,
with
you
know,
overspending
on
these
elections,
but
really
encouraging
the
citizenry
to
go,
get
out
and
get
involved,
go
and
knock
on
doors,
get
to
know
people,
because
that
your
time
is
your
time
is
valuable,
but
that's
not
a
cost
that
you
put
into
your
your
filings
right,
and
so
it
really
encourages
people
to
get
out
and
get
to
know
your
district
get
to
know
your
city,
and
so
I
would
say,
as
far
as
local
contribution
limits,
I
I
do
support
the
campaign
contribution
moving
forward.
E
I
do
think
that
separate
from
charter
or
combined,
I
would
say
the
same
as
the
previous
ones.
Let's
see
what
the
pollsters
say,
I'm
not
I'm
not
wedded,
either
way
specific
dollar
limits.
E
You
know
I
find
it
interesting
when
you
see
some
cities
have
decided
not
to
move
to
to
campaign
contribution
limits,
but
those
cities
that
have
actually
tried
to
get
away
from
campaign
contribution
limits
under
the
new
state,
ordinance
or
state
rules
have
actually
been
met,
with
grief
from
the
public
saying:
no,
no,
no,
keep
the
lower
contribution
limits
and
I
think
the
most
recent
one
was
burlingame
that
went
back
in
their
conversation
to
having
their
local
contribution
limits
as
opposed
to
getting
away
from
them.
E
So
it's
just
if
you
do
a
a
search
of
some
of
our
our
neighboring
cities.
I
found
I
found
that
kind
of
interesting
that
once
the
contribution
the
contribution
limits
have
been
established,
it
appears
that
the
citizenry
does
not
want
to
stray
from
them,
which
shows
me
that
there's
a
there
is
support
for
them,
and
so
I'd
be
fine
with
what
council
member
mentioned,
which
was
500,
and
I
would
definitely
support
that
on
individuals
spending
their
own
money
on
campaigns.
E
If
that
isn't
even
an
issue
and
then
as
far
as
public
campaign
financing,
maybe
if
we
get
a
commercial
transfer,
tax
will
have
a
little
bit
of
money
to
give
to
individuals
who
want
to
run
for
office.
I
would
definitely
support
that,
and
I
would
support
that.
That
was
a
larger
conversation
that
we've
talked
about
if
we
want
to
expand
the
charter,
so
hopefully
that
helps.
Thank
you.
B
And
just
to
clarify,
because
I
thought
I
was
writing
down
500
and
a.
E
B
Yeah
I
was
just
I
was
just
trying
to
write
down.
I
thought
I
saw
councilman
medina
and
hamilton
with
five
five
hundred
thousand.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
writing
it
down
correctly.
Okay,
so
just
wanting
to
know
where
we're
at
so,
you
were
saying
more
like
five
yeah
for
me
again,
I'm
you
know
the
state
statutes
already
began,
so
that's
already.
B
In
effect,
I
think
what
I
I
need
to
hear
is
truly
the
one
slide
that
said
it's
going
to
have
to
be
done
by
staff
internally
when
we
take
that.
So
I
know
what
we
hear
as
far
as
resources
and
bandwidth
etc,
not
to
be
negative.
B
I'm
just
saying
this
is
what
we're
told,
so
I
want
to
know
that
that
can
be
accomplished
before,
because
obviously
the
state
regulates
it
now
we're
gonna
bring
it
in
house
and
have
staff
time,
but
when
the
question
was
asked
how
much
of
the
resources
are
time?
It's
not
known
at
this
time,
I'm
not
sure
when
that
can
be,
I'm
not
even
sure
how
you
quantify
it.
B
We
have
direction,
which
is
yes,
a
local
ordinance,
yes
to
bring
something
back,
and
yes,
five
hundred
to
a
thousand.
A
Is
there
seem
to
be
some
consensus
for
that,
mr
mayor,
if
I
will,
can
I
ask
a
few
clarifying
questions?
Okay,
please!
If
you
will
so
yeah,
please,
I
don't
think
that
we've
heard
a
majority
to
proceed
forward
and
place
it
on
the
ballot.
We
have
heard
three
council
members
say
yes,
they're
interested
in
the
idea,
but
two
of
those
council
members
said
on
the
ballot
or
alluded
to
it
being
on
the
ballot,
and
one
clearly
said:
I'm
in
favor.
B
But
I
would
like
the
city
council
to
adopt
this
and
not
have
it
on
the
ballot,
and
so
just
want
to
highlight
that
issue
and
bring
it
back,
because
this
is
an
item
that
does
not
have
to
go
to
the
voters.
City
council
could
implement
this
by
ordinance
there.
I
have
some
other
follow-up
questions
but
yeah.
B
I
think
on
that
one
I
thought
on
councilman,
medina
and
council
member
hamilton.
I
believed
it
was
not
to
go
to
to
the
ballot.
It
was
to
bring
it
up
in
an
ordinance
form,
and
vice
mr
spells
are
not
at
this
time,
but
I
vice
mayor-
I
don't
know
if
I
look
like
I
write
down
other
than
yes,
but
I
didn't
write.
I
didn't
quantify
it
on
my
notes.
E
B
Council
level,
I'm
fine
with
that.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
asking
that
question
city
manager
and
please
continue
with
the
other
clarifying
that
we
meet
yeah.
So
then,
with
regard
to
the
specific
dollar
amount,
we've
heard
two
council
members
that
were
in
favor
say
500
per
individual,
a
thousand
for
the
entity
and
then
vice
mayor
mayor
said
yes
500
for
the
individual
but
interested
on
sort
of
staff
recommendations.
A
A
The
other
cities
that
have
a
lower
limit
peg,
that
at
a
thousand
that
is
belmont
burlingame,
redwood
city,
san
mateo
city
and
san
mateo
county,
and
so
the
going
maturity
for
an
entity
limit,
that's
lower
than
the
state
is
a
thousand.
B
A
B
A
thousand
as
well
thank
you
and
I
had
written
down,
counselor
medina
as
such
as
well,
so,
okay,
that
we
have.
That
answer
sure
one
other
question
potentially
to
if
we
are
to
bring
this
back
up
for
the
city
council
to
implement
by
ordinance
and
the
desire
for
to
do
that.
B
Let
me
just
say
asap,
meaning,
so
it
would
be
in
effect
for
the
november
22
election,
which
would
be
a
fairly
tight
timeline.
Given
that
I
think
the
candidate
filing
date
is
pretty
soon.
We
need
to
have
all
that
information
prepared,
is
ready
and
then
have
the
structure
in
place
for
this
upcoming
election
pretty
soon
or
council's
desire
to
get
through
the
ballot
conversations
and
staff
bring
forward
an
ordinance
so
that.
A
This
would
be
put
into
effect
in
the
next
city
council
election
council
member
hamilton,
so
the
biggest
the
biggest
factor
affecting
my
decision
on
that
question
is
the
the
local
enforcement
piece
which
we
we
you
know
learn
from
the
presentation
is
going
to
require
staff
time,
but
we
don't
know
how
much
so
you
know
if,
if
this
is
going
to
be
something
that's
you
know
unplanned
for
and
crippling
in
short
term
to
be
able
to
put
this
in
place
for
this
election
and
then
have
us
try
to
enforce
it.
A
I
would
want
to
know
that
so
that
that's
what's
going
to
drive
the
decision
for
me
yeah,
you
know,
if
we're
going
to
do
it
yeah,
let's
do
it
when
we,
but
if
it's,
but
you
know,
we
have
to
know
what
the
cost
is
and
what
the
what
the
cost
is
both
in
money
and
effort
and
what
potentially
is
not
going
to
get
done,
because
we're
doing
this
that
all
those
are
important.
E
I
support
staff
moving
forward
with
this.
It's
I
don't.
I
don't
know
as
far
as
time
goes,
whether
it
can
be
done
in
time
to
actually
implement
it
by
the
november
election.
I
would
imagine
it
actually
has
to
be
implemented
months
before,
but
I
think
if
it
could
be
done
by
the
november
election,
that
would
be
great
like
meaning.
There
is
something
that
is
comes
before
us
and
with
a
vote
and
then
be
effective.
The
next
election,
so
I'd
be
okay
either
way.
I
just.
E
A
B
Those
might
come
okay
and
you'd
already
heard
from
me.
I
think,
knowing
time
and
resources,
I
think
that's
critical.
That's
just
that's
my
opinion,
any
other
comments.
B
So
on
that
point
it
would
be
the
city
clerk's
office
that
would
be
to
implement
the
body
for
this,
and
so
we
will
bring
forward
to
council
information
on
the
ability
for
it
to
be
implemented,
and
probably
the
next
two
to
two
and
a
half
months,
so
it
would
be
effective
and
candidates
would
know
that
when
they
pull
all
their
papers,
et
cetera
and
so
we'll
we'll
we
will
set
about
that
work.
The
last
question
hold
on
I'm
sorry.
B
I
just
want
to
clarify
so
because
I've
heard
different
comments
so
as
far
as
you're
hearing
it's
moving
asap
for
it
to
be
done
when
filing
is
done
by
the
clerk's
office.
No,
what
I'm
sorry,
mr
mayor,
what
I'm
hearing
from
the
city
council
is
the
desire
to
have
information
on
what
it
would
take
to
implement
it
for
this
year,
and
so
we
will
set
about
doing
that
work
potentially
by
our
next
study
session
in
april.
B
I
have
that
information
for
you
to
make
a
informed
decision.
I
don't
think
we
would
be
prepared
to
have
the
ordinance
by
the
next
study
session,
but
we
could
have
information
on.
Does
the
city
have
the
ability
to
both
draft
the
ordinance,
implement
it
and
enforce
it
this
year
and
what
cost
there
would
be
for
doing
that,
because.
B
Correct
so,
and-
and
thank
you
and
and
don't
do
you
have
any
more
on
this
topic?
Yes,
there's
there's
one
more,
it's
pretty
or
they
go
without
saying,
but
I
just
wanted
to
say
it
to
clarify.
When
we
talk
about
campaign
contributions,
we've
been
using
the
term
city
council.
I
just
want
to
be
clear
that
it
is
the
mayor
and
the
city
council.
That's
how
we've
interpreted
this
so
that
that
campaign
contribution
limit
will
apply
to
the
district
council
members
as
well
as
the
mayor.
Now
the
city
council
can
decide.
B
Otherwise
I
just
want
to
make
that
that
probably
should
have
been
a
fifth
point,
but
we
we
should
clarify
intent
for
it
to
be
the
entire
city
council
inclusive
for
the
mayor,
or
is
there
a
desire
to
do
something
different
and
we
would
need
to,
of
course
look
into
how
that
would
be
structured.
B
Thank
you,
councilman
medina.
A
The
fall
all
of
the
districts
500
and
a
thousand
seems
a
pretty
healthy
contribution
limit.
Thank
you.
B
Okay,
so
you've
got.
I
think,
we've
got
good
and
clear
direction
and
manager.
Thank
you
for
clarifying
things.
For
us
just
to
be
safe
and
yeah.
Council
united,
is
all
they
didn't
miss
anybody
did
I
no,
but
city
manager.
I
did
not
want
to
forget
that
you
wanted
us
also
to
go
back
to
alternate
voting.
B
Yes,
so
that
was
our
included
in
our
first
item.
I
believe
it
was
slide
13.,
so
I'll
just
back
up
to
that,
because
embedded
in
these
conversations
or
in
that
conversation
with
regard
to
a
city
charter,
is,
does
the
city
council,
with
direct
staff,
to
prepare
a
potential
ballot
measure
on
alternative
voting
methods
as
a
separate
item,
which
I
think
would
be
in
alignment
with
the
prior
direction
that
we
received,
so
you
did
have
or
embedded
within
the
charter
which
could
be
an
option.
E
Yeah,
so
I
think
that
I
just
I'm
not
comfortable
right
now,
not.
I
think
this
is
something
that
we
need
to
involve
the
public
in.
I
think
it
should
be
part
of
the
charter
conversation
there's
a
it
sounds
like
there's
support
for
a
charter
committee,
not
because
I'm
not
in
support
of
this.
It's
just
similar
to
our
previous
vote.
E
I'd
like
to
learn
more
about
it
and
I
don't
really
want
to
be
rushed
into
this
process,
and
I
also
think
we
should
get
more
input
on
this
before
we
afford
this
particular
item.
Thank
you.
Councilmember.
A
Yeah,
I
agree,
I
don't
think
we.
I
don't
think
we're
ready
to
put
this
on
the
ballot
we
have.
You
know,
there's
there's
another
there's
another
alternative
method
of
proportional
representation
that
we
really
haven't
talked
about,
so
I
wouldn't
want
to.
I
wouldn't
want
to
rush
something
so
important
onto
the
ballot,
and
I've
already
stated
in
this
meeting
that
I'm
not
in
favor
of
putting
other
stuff
on
the
charter,
and
you
can
only
do
this
if
the
charter
passes
anyway,
so
it
just.
A
It
just
seems
to
make
sense
that
this
is
something
that
we
should
return
to
later.
B
Well,
I
think,
and
again
when
we're
doing
this,
and
I
think
what
the
bigger
picture
was
also
is:
do
we
want
to
put
in
the
charter?
I
think
we
kind
of
heard
no,
but
then
the
other
factor
was
it's
also
about
the
county
right.
So
the
county
has
to
be
kind
of
on
board
san
mateo
county,
the
elections
office.
Is
that
going
to
be
a
cost
to
us
and
the
items
there?
So
I
mean
all
of
that.
B
I
think
really
needs
to
be
more
looked
into
as
well,
because
if
we're
the
only
one
in
the
county,
that's
going
toward
that
and
they
say
well,
that's
great
that
you
choose
that
and
here's
bill
that
that
could
be
daunting.
So
I
think
those
are
things
too
that
we
had
brought
up
before
councilmember
medina.
A
One
more
button
to
push
sorry
what
I
was
saying
was,
I
I
think,
I'm
agreeing
with
everything
that's
been
said.
I
think
that
to
try
to
do
it
right
now,
I
prefer
to
go
through
with
the
commission.
A
B
Contacted
me
about
it
in
all
my
time
on
the
council
I
am
interested
in,
it
seems
interesting.
I
am
interested
just
that.
I
don't
think
we
really
need
to
do
it
yet
at
this
point,
it's
just
it
would
just
make
going
to
district
elections
and
doing
this
in
the
same
election.
That's
a
lot,
so
those
those
were
homes.
B
Okay,
any
other
comments
from
colleagues,
city
manager
vice
mayor.
E
B
Topics,
though
great
thank
you,
city
managers
that
give
you
guidance
on
this
topic
very
clear
guidance.
Thank
you.
It's
nice
to
know
where
we
stand
on
that,
and
we
have
clear
erection
on
the
other
items.
Thank
you
we're
going
to
go
back
to
vice
mayor.
Yes,
I
wanted
to
check
on
up
then.
E
Thank
you
just
a
quick
question
about
the
contributions
or
was
there.
I
don't.
I
didn't
grasp
whether
there
wasn't
enough
support
for
implementation
by
the
november
or
just
to
have
it
done
by
november,
like
meaning
having
a
vote
by
november
versus
having
a
vote
earlier,
so
that
it's
implemented
for
the
november
election.
A
However,
the
the
implementation,
both
of
cost
and
capacity
to
do
that
council
would
like
information
on
it.
So
what
staff
will
commit
to
do
is
bring
you
back
information
on
the
city's
ability
to
implement
it.
B
In
time
to
be
effective
for
the
november
22
election
and
and
if,
for
example,
that's
if
it's
not
possible,
I
think
the
the
other
option
would
be,
or
it
has
a
significant
cost.
But
the
option
would
be
bring
back
an
ordinance
to
the
city
council
so
that
it
is
put
before
the
city
council
for
him
for
implementation
before
november.
But
it
would
not
take
effect
until
the
next
election
november
22..
B
So
our
task
is
to
to
do
some
work
on
what
it
would
take
to
implement
it
for
november
22
and
come
back
to
council
for
further
direction.
B
F
Love
love
to
summer
ride
back
in
the
city
attorney
has
one
more
slide.
In
summary,
I
would
just
like
to
close
out
by
saying
thank
you
city
council.
I
think
that
this
has
been
a
a
very
good
study
session
for
us
to
dive
down
deeply
into
topics,
and
just
also
remind
you
and
any
public
that
that
are
watching,
that
we
will
that
we
are
working
to
celebrate
another
study
session
on
ballot
items
for
april.
There
are
two
additional
topic
area
that
the
city
council
has
asked:
staff.
A
To
look
into
one
of
the
potential
card
room
tax,
the
other
is
revenue
for
our
stormwater
system,
and
so
we
will
come
back
on
those
in
a
study
session
that
is
not
yet
scheduled
for
the
month
in
the
month
of
april.
Is
what
we're
targeting.
A
In
addition,
council
has
directed
staff
to
continue
work
on
a
number
of
items.
Tonight.
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
we
intend
to
conduct
polling
and
after
those
poll
results
are
known,
the
city
council
will
actually
make
the
final
decision
to
put
out
items
on
the
ballot
we
targeted
that
for
july
12th,
but
it
has
to
be
done
by
some
date
in
august
that
I'm
not
remembering
it,
but
it
has
to
be.
A
You
have
to
take
an
action
by
august
12th.
We
are
targeting
for
that
action
to
occur
at
your
july,
12
meeting
so
a
month
in
advance,
but
it
is
possible
that
something
that
the
city
council
directed
staff
to
work
on
with
the
intent
to
put
it
on
the
ballot.
A
You
receive
polling
information
and
you
actually
decide
not
to
do
that
on
july
12th,
and
so
I
just
want
to
say
that,
because
I
don't
want
anyone
walking
away
from
this
study
session,
saying
the
city
council
decided
it's
an
x
on
the
ballot
that
that
that
final
decision
will
not
be
done
until
later,
after
additional
research
after
we
developed
the
draft
ordinance
and
and
has
the
polling
done
so
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
the
city
attorney.
A
Thank
you
very
much
really
not
much
else.
We've
already
talked
about
the
fiscal
impact
that
was
in
the
staff
report
and
we've
already
received
direction
on
all
those
potential
measures
and,
of
course,
the
final
decision
for
the
measures
to
be
submitted
to
the
county
is
august,
12th
and
so
we're
looking
at
a
month
in
advance.
For
that,
that's
the
end
of
our
report.
E
Thank
you
just
just
as
far
as
the
polling
goes
is
the
polling
gonna
be
done
then
on
on
each
item
or
is
it
I
just
wasn't
sure
if
that's
autumn,
like
an
automatic,
an
overall
request
when
you
in
the
spec
report
talked
about
having
a
polling
company
come
in
yeah,
so
the
vice
mayor
mason
through
the
mayor.
That
is
a
to
be
determined
decision.
E
We
will
have
meetings
with
the
pollster
and
there
there
is
science
behind
of
voter
polls
and
a
likely
vote
or
poland,
so
they
will
opine
on
the
best
way
to
pull
for
the
items
that
the
city
council
is
considering.
I
will
talk
about
that
at
table.
E
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
I
would
just
say
just
to
I
don't
know
how
it
will
be
awarded,
but
I
do
think
the
semantics
around
the
term
limit
is
really
important
because
in
my
conversation
with
a
lot
of
residents,
the
the
conversation
is
constantly
well.
E
E
I
didn't
know
that
someone
could
run
with
an
unlimited
amount
of
time,
and
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
getting
so
we
can
make
an
educated
guess
as
council
members,
whether
to
invest
any
funds
to
go
on
the
ballot,
but
just
make
sure
that's
very
clear,
because
I
think
a
lot
of
the
confusion
is
that
people
assume
term
limits
means
that
you
can
you
actually
end
automatically
at
some
time
and
rotate
out
of
office
when
it
could
be
one
definition,
but
they
are
separate
and
apart
from
each
other.
E
Thank
you.
Thank
you
any
other.
Just
thank
you
to
everybody
for
both
counseling
all
the
counsel
and
all
staff
who've
been
working
on
this.
I
know
that
there's
a
lot
on
everybody's
plate.
Thank
you
any
other
questions.
If
not
city
attorney.
B
City
manager
and,
of
course,
there's
a
team
behind
both
you,
I
know
out
there
tonight
but
helping
to
put
this
forward.
So
thank
you
to
all
colleagues.
Thank
you
and
it's
just
a
little
after
eight,
so
we
didn't
make
marty's
mark,
but
we
did
good
today.
So
with
that,
why
don't
we
go
ahead
and
adjourn
to
the
next
regular
city
council
meeting,
which
will
be
held
on
april
12
2022
at
7pm?
Everybody
have
a
have
a
good
night
and
a
good
rest
of
the
week.