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A
Here,
mayor
rico,
medina
here
next
will
be
public
comment
for
items
on
the
on
the
agenda.
Just
as
a
reminder
today
is
a
public
hearing
in
regards
to
the
transition
to
district-based
elections
so
other
than
that,
if
there's
something
that
other
than
that
topic,
something
from
the
audience
or
public
wishes
to
speak.
Please
raise
your
hand
at
this
time
and
we'll
bring
you
into
the
room.
A
Seeing
no
hands
we'll
move
on
into
the
topic
of
tonight's
meeting,
which
is
to
hold
a
public
hearing
and
provide
information
regarding
the
process
of
transition
to
district-based
elections
for
council
members,
and
at
this
time,
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
our
city
manager
to
provide
some
introductory
remarks.
And
then
we
also,
of
course
have
the
district
elections
consultant
and
other
adaptive
will
be
available.
Manager.
A
There
will
also
be
two
public
workshops.
This
process
that
the
city
council
knows
will
go
until
march
of
22
march.
26Th
of
2022
tonight's
presentation
will
be
provided
by
kristen
parks
from
mdc.
Also
available.
Tonight
is
city
attorney,
mark
zapparano,
myself,
assistant
city
manager,
jennifer
grill,
as
well
as
assistant
to
the
city
manager,
jennifer
dianos,
all
the
way
to
make
up
the
internal
team
that
are
supporting
this
project.
A
You're
back
all
right.
In
addition,
we
have
jennifer
nitwig
from
tri
pepe
smith,
with
city's
public
engagement
consultant.
That
is
helping
this
effort.
I
will
now
turn
it
over
to
kristen
parks
from
nbc
to
provide
the
presentation
for
the
city
council.
Some
of
this
will
be
a
repeat.
Tonight's
presentation
will
begin
with
a
little
bit
of
the
information
that
you've
seen
before,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
anyone
that
is
tuning
in
for
the
first
time
really
receives
the
full
complement
of
information
about
district
11.
A
C
C
C
We
are
well
along
the
way
in
this
process
and
it
is
going
to
fly
by,
but
if
you
are
just
tuning
in
for
the
first
time
and
just
starting
to
engage
with
it,
this
is
the
perfect
time
to
start
paying
attention
and
think
about
where
you
may
want
district
boundaries
for
your
neighborhood
or
your
community
so
to
members
of
the
public.
Thank
you
for
being
here
and
we
do
hope
to
hear
from
you
throughout
this
process.
C
So
just
as
a
reminder,
what
this
change
represents
for
the
city
of
san
bruno
is
a
change
from
an
at-large
election
system
in
which
every
voter
in
the
state
has
the
chance
to
elect
all
city
council
members.
C
So
this
decision
was
actually
made
by
resolution
of
the
council
back
in
2020,
and
now
that
we
have
2020
data
from
the
census,
we
can
effectively
begin
to
draw
potential
district
lines.
C
So
I
also
want
to
point
out
to
members
of
the
public
that
one
of
the
things
that
we've
seen
over
the
past
several
years
across
the
state
of
california
is
a
lot
of
cities,
switching
to
buy
district
elections
because
they
either
were
received
a
letter
threatening
a
lawsuit
under
the
california
voting
rights
act
or
like
san
bruno.
They
decided
to
proactively
take
the
step
to
make
that
change
to
open,
avoid
what
could
be
potentially
very
costly
litigation
for
the
city.
So
san
bruno
has
proactively
made
that
change.
There
is
no
lawsuit.
C
C
So
this
is
just
a
visual
representation
for
those
who
may
be
more
visual
learners
right.
This
is
something
I
believe
that
the
city
manager
created
for
us
that
just
illustrates
what
it
will
look
like
after
the
transition.
C
B
B
And
second,
there
are
things
that
your
residents
just
know
best
about
their
communities,
and
so
it's
essential
that
those
of
us
involved
in
the
process
hear
from
them
about
the
community
and
then.
Lastly,
this
is
a
once
in
a
decade
opportunity,
since
the
census
data
is
released
only
once
every
10
years,
and
so
every
10
years
communities
get
together
and
talk
about
demography,
and
so
this
is
an
exciting
time
and
a
rare
time
as
your
community
to
be
working
through
this
process
and
then
on.
B
The
next
slide
here
are
some
of
the
goals
in
the
districting
process
and
through
the
districting
process
and
the
events
like
tonight's
hearing
we're
going
to
learn
from
the
experts,
particularly
miss
kristin
parks,
from
nbc
as
your
demographer,
and
this
is
a
complex
process
we
all
realize,
particularly
since
it
only
comes
up
once
every
10
years.
Usually
so
it's
an
opportunity
to
educate
and
explain
to
the
public
what
this
process
is
and
why
it's
so
important,
then,
once
you've
shared
information
on
how
the
process
works.
B
It's
important
for
the
experts
to
hear
from
the
community
community
members
will
be
the
stars
of
the
show
as
the
process
moves
forward
and
it's
important
for
the
experts
to
hear
from
community
community
members
because,
as
we
mentioned
earlier,
community
members
do
know
their
communities
best
and
effective
districting
relies
on
identifying
the
neighborhoods
and
communities
that
you
want
to
keep
together.
As
you
consider
drawing
district
claims,
and
I
think
kristin
will
touch
on
that
a
little
bit
as
we
move
forward
tonight
too
and
then.
Last
but
not
least,
our
goal
is
community.
B
Members
are
empowered
to
give
effective
feedback
so
by
absorbing
the
content
that
we'll
be
sharing
today
and
by
talking
with
our
friends
and
neighbors.
Those
are
all
great
ways
to
participate
and
to
provide
effective
feedback
to
inform
the
process
that
will
determine
district
lines
for
the
next
10
years
and
with
that
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
kristen
to
touch
on
the
timeline.
C
Thank
you
jennifer.
So
one
of
the
things
that
has
affected
everyone
going
through
districting
or
redistricting
right
now
are
significant
delays.
Month-Long
delays
that
we
had
in
the
release
of
census
data
from
the
federal
government
that
data
was
released
on
august
12th.
To
this
day,
however,
the
state
of
california
then
processed
that
data
to
make
some
reallocations
and,
for
instance,
counting
state
inmates
at
their
last
known
place
of
residence
rather
than
in
their
incarcerated
location.
C
So
that
was
supposed
to
happen
on
september
20th.
It
actually
happened
on
september
27th,
so
even
the
state
had
a
bit
of
a
delay
in
the
districting
process.
There
are
four
hearings
that
are
required
prior
to
adoption
of
that,
so
tonight
we're
at
our
second
initial
hearing,
and
just
so
members
of
the
public
are
aware
these
first
two
hearings
are
meant
to
be
time
where
the
council
is
listening
to
the
public.
C
We
are
actually
not
legally
permitted
to
be
considering
actual
draft
maps,
yet
we
will
be
holding
to
community
workshops
in
november
to
demo
the
public
mapping
pools,
some
of
which
are
already
available
on
this
website.
Districting
districtingsandbruno.org.
C
And
these
are
available
for
the
public
to
already
get
started
and
submit
their
their
maps.
What
happens,
then,
is
that,
after
the
public
has
ample
time
to
to
submit
all
of
their
submissions,
then
it
will
come
back
to
the
council
for
consideration,
and
so
the
the
second
hearings
that
will
take
place
in
january
and
february
are
hearings
where
the
council
will
consider
draft
maps
submitted
by
the
public
and
potentially
also
submitted
by
nvc.
C
The
pug
will
have
a
chance
then,
to
weigh
in
on
those
maps
before
the
final
map
is
adopted,
and
what
we
are
planning
right
now
is
for
there
to
be
a
fifth
hearing
on
march
8th
and
a
sixth
hearing
on
march
22nd.
C
That
gives
ample
time
for
this
map
to
be
adopted
and
all
of
the
data
of
where
voters
are
and
where
district
boundaries
are
can
then
be
shared
with
the
county
registrar
of
voters,
so
that
everything
is
in
place
for
the
november
2022
election.
So
this
will
be
an
ongoing
process.
This
is
why
we
say
this
is
the
perfect
time
to
be
jumping
in
and
starting
to
engage
with
it.
I
encourage
everyone
to
visit
if
they
haven't
already
districting
san
bruno.org.
C
So
the
other
thing
that
helps
empower
the
public
is
to
understand
the
legal
requirements
that
exist
for
districting,
and
so
these
requirements
help
us
understand
what
we
should
consider
when
we're
considering
where
district
lines
should
be
within
the
city.
So
always,
first
and
foremost,
we
have
federal
law
and
federal
law
says
that
each
district
should
have
relatively
equal
population,
meaning
that
each
city
council
member,
should
represent
about
the
same
number
of
residents.
C
Members
of
the
public
often
ask
what
are
those
protected
classes
of
voters
and
those
are
african-american
voters,
asian-american,
voters,
hispanic
voters
and
native
american
voters,
so
we
will
be
looking
at
race
and
ethnicity
in
order
to
ensure
that
compliance,
however,
we'll
also
be
looking
at
other
demographic
factors
to
help
define
and
identify
the
communities
and
neighborhoods
that
will
be
grouped
together
within
each
city.
Council
district
federal
law
says
that
race
or
ethnicity
should
never
be
the
sole
factor
or
the
predominant
factor
in
drawing
a
district.
C
C
C
C
The
second
criteria
is
the
one
we're
going
to
focus
on
tonight,
which
is
when
we're
drawing
district
boundaries.
The
state
of
california
says
we
should
minimize
the
division
of
neighborhoods
and
communities
of
interest.
So,
as
I
mentioned
each
district,
we
can
think
of
each
district
as
being
a
collection
of
neighborhoods
and
communities.
C
What
we
don't
want
to
do
is
to
draw
those
district
boundaries
right
through
the
middle
of
neighborhoods
of
communities
and
divide
them
up
that
reduces
their
ability
to
elect
representatives
to
the
council
and
reduces
their
ability
to
interact
with
council
members
and
even
know
who
may
represent
them.
C
C
C
However,
the
list
of
california
criteria
is
rank
order,
meaning
that
number
one
two
and
three
on
this
list
are
more
important
than
number
four
right,
so
we're
actually
going
in
order
of
importance
here.
So
sometimes
some
of
my
clients
will
have
a
city
council
district
that
may
have
a
strange
shape,
it's
contiguous,
but
it
may
be
strange,
and
that
is
because
it
is
required
to
comply
with
the
federal
voting
rights
act
right.
So
all
of
these
criteria,
we
are
under
california
law,
we're
doing
to
the
extent
practicable.
C
Finally,
I
do
have
a
third
column
here,
because
every
city
is
unique
and
every
city
may
have
other
goals
for
districts
that
they
want
to
bring
to
the
table.
Some
cities
want
every
district
to
touch
their
downtown
business
area
so
that
there
is
this
shared
sense
of
unity
around
their
downtown
right.
So
the
point
I
want
to
make
here
is
that
it's
absolutely
legally
permissible
to
discuss
other
goals
for
our
districts
in
san
bruno.
C
C
So
if
we
have
any
legal
questions,
we
will
be
asking
those
two
to
the
attorney,
but
I
do
think
it's
empowering
for
members
of
the
public
to
understand
the
legal
framework,
because
it
is
something
that
we
will
be
coming
back
to
and
when
we
look
at
draft
maps,
we're
going
to
talk
about
whether
or
not
those
maps
meet
these
criteria.
C
So
the
good
news,
of
course,
is
despite
the
months
and
months
of
waiting
for
census
data
we
now
have
it
and
so
for
the
city
of
san
bruno
in
the
2020
census,
43
908
people
were
counted
and
what
you
see
here
are
city-wide.
C
C
What
that
is,
is
well
we're
going
to
take
the
total
population
of
the
city
and
then
we're
going
to
think
about
the
number
of
districts
we're
going
to
create,
which
there
are
four
districts
that
we're
going
to
create.
There
are
four
council
members
currently
on
council,
and
so,
if
you
take
43
908
and
you
divide
it
by
four
you're
going
to
get
this
ideal
number,
which
is
10
977
people,
each
district
doesn't
have
to
be
exactly
that
ideal
size.
C
What
we're
looking
for
is
a
total
deviation
of
less
than
10,
so
we're
looking
for
each
of
our
districts
to
try
for
that
ideal
and
get
get
as
close
as
possible,
while
also
making
sure
that
we're
addressing
all
of
the
legal
criteria
that
I
just
went
over.
C
So
I
am
going
to
go
very
quickly
through
these
slides,
as
I
have
presented
them
previously,
but
these
slides
show
you
mapped
out
for
the
city
of
san
bruno,
where
different
populations
are
so
each
of
these
sides
will
show
you
a
heat
map
where
we're
going
from
purple
being
0
to
10
percent
of
those
census
blocks,
which
is
what
the
level
at
which
we're
displaying
this
data.
So
zero
to
ten
percent
for
the
purple
are
latino
citizens
of
voting
age
c
that
stands
for
citizen
voting
age
population.
C
So
these
are
our
citizens
over
the
age
of
18..
These
are
our
eligible
voters
who
identify
as
latino,
of
course,
and
the
heat
map
goes
from
the
purple
cold
to
the
red,
hot,
and
so
those
red
blocks
are
where
you
see
75
to
100
percent
of
the
of
the
people
on
those
blocks
are
latinos
of
sick
and
voting
age.
C
C
So,
as
you
can
see
on
this
slide
for
african
americans,
there's
not
a
lot
of
variants
from
block
to
block.
However,
I
want
to
caution
and
say
that
this
map
is
not
showing
that
there
are
no
african
americans
in
the
city
of
san
bruno.
It's
just
showing
that
there
are
in
most
of
the
city
center
blocks.
There
are
10
or
fewer
african-american
citizens
of
voting
age.
C
Okay,
you
can
see
that
the
asian-american
citizens
of
voting
age
are
dispersed
throughout
the
city
and
there
there
are
certain
groupings
in
certain
areas
and
keeping
in
mind
too.
One
of
the
things
to
think
about
when
we're
looking
at
these
maps
is
that
we
are
ultimately
going
to
be
drawing
four
council
districts.
C
C
Just
click
interactive
review
map,
and
you
can
look
at
all
of
this
data
children
at
home.
Where
are
renters
versus
homeowners
in
the
city,
and
then
I
want
to
circle
back
to
that
second
criterion
required
by
california
law,
which
is
that
our
district
boundaries
should
minimize
the
division
of
our
neighborhoods
and
communities
of
interest.
C
Most
folks
are
familiar
with
what
a
neighborhood
is.
Our
state
law
was
written
to
say,
neighborhoods
and
communities
of
interest
and
then
defines
communities
of
interest
as
a
population
that
shares
common
interests
and
should
be
included
in
a
single
district
for
purposes
of
its
effective
and
fair
representation.
C
This
is
a
very
broad
definition
of
a
community
of
interests
and
it
really
creates
an
opportunity
for
residents
of
san
bruno,
who
may
or
may
not
think
of
themselves
as
being
a
traditional
neighborhood,
but
may
be
a
group
of
people
with
common
interests
or
common
concerns
or
common
issues
that
they
may
interact
with
the
city
on
and
if
they
are
geographically
concentrated
in
a
certain
area
and
wish
to
be
included
within
a
single
city
council
district.
So
they
have
one
council
member
representing
them.
C
They
have
an
opportunity
to
give
testimony
and
input
about
their
community,
identify
it
to
the
council
so
that
when
we
are
evaluating
draft
district
maps,
we
can
take
care
to
try
not
to
divide
your
community
across
multiple
council
districts.
So
that
is
that's
sort
of
the
basic
definition
of
communities
of
interest.
But
there's
really
no
long
way
to
define
your
community,
and
we
do
want
to
hear
from
you
as
to
your
neighborhood
and
your
communities
of
interest.
C
So
again,
just
two
things
to
think
about.
If
you
are
going
to
make
public
comment
either
tonight
during
the
public
hearing
or
in
the
future,
think
about
what
brings
people
together
in
your
community
if
there's
places
where
parks
that
people
go
to,
if
there's
schools,
if
there's
places
of
worship,
shopping,
centers,
that
people
frequent
and
then,
where
is
the
boundaries
of
this
community,
so
that
we
can
know
when
we
look
at
a
map
how
to
avoid
dividing
up
that
community?
C
Not
all
communities
are
going
to
care
about
whether
or
not
they
are
in
a
single
city,
council
district.
We
particularly
want
to
hear
about
your
community
if
it
does
want
to
be
within
a
single
council
district.
However,
well
we'll
be
happy
to
listen
to
whatever
testimony
you
bring
other
things
to
think
about.
Are
transit
corridors,
school
attendance
zones,
zoning
areas,
anything
that
resonates
with
you
and
your
neighbors
are.
C
It
is
helpful
information,
especially
since
we
are
drawing
these
district
boundaries
for
the
first
time
really
are
going
to
be
a
part
of
history
here,
because
the
boundaries
that
are
adopted
through
this
process,
as
my
colleague
jennifer
mentioned,
will
be
in
place
for
the
next
decade.
So
there
is,
this
is
a
very
significant
process
for
the
city.
C
So,
yes,
we
are
in
october
2021.
We
are
expecting
our
online
mapping
tool
to
be
made
live
this
week.
However,
district
r,
the
software
vendor,
is
having
some
significant
delays,
so
that
is
not
currently
available.
C
The
thing
you
see
a
screenshot
of
here,
however,
we
want
the
public
to
be
able
to
sit
down
and
start
drawing
that
right
now
if
they
want
so
what
we
have
are
printable
pdf
maps
up
on
the
website
and
just
as
a
reminder
that
website
is
districting
sanbruno.org
and
that's
where
you'll
find
the
paper
maps
right
that
you
and
you
don't
have
to
print
them
and
draw
on
paper.
You
can.
C
You
know
edit
the
pdf
on
your
computer
and
you
can
draw
your
neighborhood
your
community
of
interest,
what
your
ideal
council
district
would
look
like,
or
you
can
draw
a
map
of
that-
takes
the
city
of
san
bruno
and
you
and
draws
all
four
districts
onto
it.
Whatever
you
submit
will
be
entered
into
the
public
record
and
will
be
considered
by
the
council
as
part
of
this
process,
so
for
full
transparency
purposes.
C
All
maps
drawn
and
submitted
by
the
public
will
be
posted
online
and
ndc
will
process
those
maps
and
produce
demographic
reports
for
each
of
the
maps
submitted
by
the
public,
as
well
as
a
a
quick
determination
as
to
whether
or
not
the
map
meets
those
legal
criteria
that
I
talked
about.
So
we,
while
we
encourage
using
these
mapping
tools
and
we
provide
them
in
order
to
empower
the
public
at
the
end
of
the
day.
C
You
know
you
can
draw
a
map
on
a
napkin
or
a
scrap
piece
of
paper
and
as
long
as
you're
labeling
it
with
landmarks
or
streets,
we
can
take
it
and
enter
that
into
the
public
record.
B
So
I
won't
do
as
detailed
of
a
rundown
as
I
shared
during
the
september
28th
first
hearing,
where
we
had
a
whole
presentation
devoted
to
outreach,
but
I'll
just
give
you
a
high
level
summary
to
kind
of
give
you
a
recap
of
some
of
those
items.
So
as
we've
kind
of
touched
on
throughout
the
presentation
tonight,
san
bruno
does
have
a
dedicated
website,
I'm
districting
sanbruno.org,
which
we'll
show
on
the
next
slide.
B
We
have
a
segment
on
districting
scheduled
to
air
on
city
net,
what's
happening
around
town
coming
up
in
october
or
ongoing
in
october,
we
have
some
print
flyers
that
are
currently
in
work
and
we'll
get
those
printed
and
distributed
to
various
community
groups
and
locations
across
the
city.
B
And
then
we
do
have
several
community
workshops
coming
up.
As
we
touched
on,
including
the
virtual
workshop
coming
up
on
november
1st
and
then
an
additional
workshop-
and
it
looks
like
that
will
be
in
mid-november
and
we'll
be
announcing
that
date
and
time
once
it's
finalized
and
really
do
encourage
everyone
to
share
this
information
with
your
friends,
your
family
members,
your
neighbors,
so
that
we
can
continue
to
get
more
and
more
engagement
and
help
inform
the
process.
B
So
then,
on
our
last
slide
or
second
class,
I
should
say
this
is
the
second
to
last
five.
So
before
we
open
it
up
for
the
hearing
portion
and
questions
and
answers.
These
are
the
questions
that
we
encourage
community
members
to
consider
to
provide
feedback
and
to
be
prepared
to
participate
in
the
process
moving
forward.
B
A
Thank
you
once
again
for
the
presentation,
any
information
that
you
provided
for
us.
As
we
said
this
is
a
public
hearing.
So
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
open
the
public
hearing
to
any
members
of
the
public
that
wish
to
speak
in
case
they
have
places
they
and
things
they
need
to
attend
to.
If
there's
any
members
of
the
public
that
would
like
to
ask
questions
or
have
comments
now
would
be
the
time
and
wish
to
please
raise
your
hand.
A
A
C
A
A
There
we
go
vice
ver
medina.
Yes,
thank
you
very
much,
mr
mayor,
and
thank
you
jennifer
and
christian
for
your
presentation
for
the
first
community
workshop.
That's
in
person.
A
It's
virtual,
okay,
all
right
and
possibly
the
second
is
depending
on
what
the
county
says,
but
is
that
intended
currently
to
be
virtual.
B
A
No
problem,
but
it's
a
very
dynamic
life
that
we're
dealing
with.
So
that's
that's
totally
unexpectable.
I
really
don't
have
too
many
questions.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
for
that.
It's
an
interesting
process
and
just
hoping
that
more
people
are
able
to
participate.
A
This
was
a
little
difficult
today
being
at
five
o'clock.
I
think,
and
people
are
just
kind
of
scrambling
around,
but
looking
forward
to
that
outreach
to
make
sure
that
we
get
as
many
people
engaged
as
possible.
This
is
so
huge
in
determining
san
bernard's,
his
future
right.
So
I
look
forward
to
it.
It's
very
interesting.
Thank
you.
B
Yeah,
I
just
I
want
to
say,
appreciate
the
enthusiasm
that
you
bring
to
your
presentation.
Kind
of
it
can
be
a
dry
subject,
but
very
impactful.
I
just
wanted
to
ask
a
couple
of
questions.
The
first
question
is
just
around
in
your
experience
in
the
district
thing,
what
have
you
seen
as
the
the
biggest
obstacle
that
cities
face
in
this
process?.
C
Yeah,
that's
an
interesting
question.
I
think
that
oftentimes,
it
can
be
a
very
difficult
process
when
cities
are
dealing
a
lawsuit
that
forces
them,
because
that
does
come
with
a
90-day
clock
right.
So
in
that
regard,
san
bruno
is
lucky
that
we
do
have
a
little
bit
more
time
that
this
has
been
very
intentional
and
proactive
as
a
process.
C
I
would
also
say
that
you
know
one
of
my
other
clients,
for
instance,
is
the
town
of
woodside,
who
is
switching
to
districts,
and
there
are
other
clients
in
similar
situations
that
are
so
small
that
when
you
take,
you
know
a
community,
that's
so
tiny,
like
5,
000
people
and
you're
trying
to
break
it
up.
That
can
be
very
difficult.
Sam
bruno,
I
think,
to
your
benefit.
You
do
have
some
freeways
and
other
sort
of
natural
dividing
lines.
Things
that
you
can
think
about.
C
You
do
have
some
distinct
neighborhoods,
so
that's
really
going
to
be
not
the
challenge,
but
I
think
really,
the
focus
of
of
this
process
will
be
identifying.
You
know
where
are
those
natural
places
for
districts
and
jennifer?
Please
feel
free
to
add
from
your
experience
as
well.
B
I
actually
agree
with
your
point
so
right
on.
Do
you
find
that
districts
and
what
you've
read
in
your
experience
give
give
way
to
additional?
Well,
I
should
say
enough:
candidates
per
district.
C
Yes
and
again,
that's
usually
a
concern
that
the
smaller
jurisdictions
have
they.
They
will
always
ask
if
it's
the
jurisdiction
of
the
2000
people.
What
if
we
don't
have
anyone
running?
Of
course,
the
answer,
if
you
don't
have
anyone
running
for
that
seat,
is
that,
then
the
council
will
appoint
someone
to
fill
that
seat
right.
I
don't
anticipate
that
happening
in
san
bruno,
but
that
is
you
know
that
there
is
a
way
to
fill
it.
We're
not
going
to
end
up
with
empty
empty
seats
again.
C
City
council
elections
are
staggered
as
well,
so
we're
never
dealing
with
our
entire
council
being
up
for
election
in
the
same
year.
So
that
also
helps
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
there's
an
adequate
candidate
pool.
B
Yeah,
I
know
some
of
the
information
I've
read
says
it
also
makes
it
more
affordable
and
more
reasonable
for
candidates
to
run,
and
I'm
curious
to
know
the
the
other
side
of
it
is.
Does
it
also
allow
for
additional
candidates
to
be
introduced
when
you
have
such
a
small
district
with
the
likelihood
of
a
long-term
income.
C
Yeah,
that's
that's
an
interesting,
interesting
question.
I'm
not
sure
I
know
what
the
academic
literature
says
on
the
long-term
question
there,
but
certainly
we
do
know-
and
we
can
sort
of
see
this
from
when
the
california
legislature
switched
to
term
limits.
Whenever
there's
an
open
seat,
we
do
actually
usually
see
candidates
running
more
women,
more
minorities,
more
people
that
we
may
not
otherwise
see
running
for
office
and
the
point
that
the
the
council
member
makes
is
absolutely
true.
C
I
mean-
and
it's
important
to
just
be
aware-
that
that
there
are
pros
and
cons
to
all
of
these
things,
but
that
this
decision
was
made
and
we
are
moving
forward
with
it,
and
I
know
that
the
city
has
you
know
many
other
questions
about
how
they're
they
may
want
to
make
changes
to
to
their
government
going
forward.
And
you
know,
taking
all
of
this
step
by
step.
I
think
is
very
important
and
you
have
an
excellent
staff
and
team
working
with
you
to
help
you
untangle
all
of
these
intricacies.
B
And
I
think
just
because
I
think
part
of
having
the
discussion
having
a
public
hearing
right
is
to
learn
about
these
and
the
anticipated
and
unanticipated
consequences
of
the
change
and
so
of
the
cities
that
you
work
with.
Are
the
do
you
know,
or
most
of
those
cities
do
most
of
those
cities
already
have
term
limits
built
into
their
their
cities
when
they
move
to
district
elections.
C
There's
that
totally
varies
yeah
and
ndc
is
currently
working
in
2021
with
over
150
cities,
council
cities,
counties
and
special
districts
across
california,
and
so
we
see
every
every
variation
right
so
again,
that
is,
that
is
a
totally
separate
issue.
B
But
connected,
I
would
say
that
perfect
connected.
The
other
question
is
when
you
talk
about
the
four
districts.
So
so
this
item
is
not
going
to
the
voters
and
we're
having
this
conversation
is
that
four
districts
something
that
at
this
point
we
can
talk
more
about
those
options
or
are
we
at
four
districts
and
the
council
is
that
that's
set
there's
not
going
to
be
a
fifth
district,
a
seventh
district,
we're
at
four
districts
and
how
you
know.
How
is
that
decision
cemented
yeah.
C
So
what
that
decision
is
based
on
is
that
proposition
f
that
establishes
a
directly
elected
mayor
and
four
council
members
right,
so
that
has
been
in
place
since
the
1970s
for
san
bruno.
There
is
a
potential
situation
in
which
additional
council
fees
could
be
considered,
but
that
is
something
that
requires
some
historical
research
into
how
proposition
f
got
on
the
ballot
and
whether
it
was
we're
getting
into
legal
weeds
here
so
for
anyone
in
the
public
who's
like
what
is
going
on
this
is.
C
This
is
very
much
in
the
weed
of
this,
but
I
do
want
to
give
the
complete
answer
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge
and
certainly
mark
trimen,
if
necessary.
But
my
understanding
is,
if,
under
the
california
voting
rights
act,
there
is
a
compelling
reason
to
have
more
than
four
seats.
C
Whether
or
not
that's
even
possible,
as
part
of
the
process
depends
on
whether
proposition
f
was
referred
to
voters
by
the
council
or
brought
by
a
petition
of
residents.
So
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
that.
We
can
certainly
follow
up,
and
let
you
know
more
about
that,
but
my
expectation
as
your
consultant
is
that
four
districts
is
something
that
is
reasonable
for
the
city
of
san
bruno
and
that
we
should
not
expect
to
have
any
compelling
reason
to
have
more
than
four.
At
this
time.
B
C
Yeah,
I
understand
that
that
conversation
is
happening
parallel
at.
However,
I
think,
for
the
purposes
of
districting,
that
if
you
did
make
that
change,
you
would
need
to
if
you
adopt
four
council
districts
through
this
process
and
then
the
changes
made,
you
would
have
to
redraw
the
boundaries
right
to
to
incorporate
another
district
into
the
map.
Right,
that
is
costly
in
terms
of
of
you
know,
making
a
change
after
you've
already
invested
so
much
into
it.
C
However,
it's
understandable
that
that
may
be
what's
best
for
the
city,
even
though
it's
sort
of
being
talked
about
concurrently
to
my
understanding.
That
is
something
that
would
happen
that
would
not
go
into
effect
until
after
this
process
is
completed.
So
I
don't
believe
that
we
can
take
into
account
the
potent
does
that
make
sense,
the
potential
that
that
change
might
be
made
soon
after
the
map
is
adopted.
B
Okay,
so,
and
is
it
a
possibility
to
because
we're
paying
for
the
process
now
to
also-
and
this
is
a
question
I
think
more
for
the
city
manager
but
is-
is
that
we
have
had
this
conversation,
we've
been
told
that
we
are
going
to
align
it
with
a
districting
conversation
and
so
we're
having
the
districting
conversation
now
and
I'm
wondering
how
we
can
save
money
at
a
later
time
by
having
a
potentially
alternative
design.
Should
this
item
go
to
the
voters
at
a
later
time
sure
thank
you,
councilwoman
nathan.
B
Let
me
just
restate
that
to
make
sure
for
for
both
myself
that
I
understand
and
for
the
public,
so
I
think
you're
saying
two
things.
One
is.
A
We
are
currently
undergoing
a
districting
process
to
draw
four
council
districts
through
this
process.
Should
the
city
council
ever
decide
to
go
to
five
districts?
Is
there
a
way
or
would
it
be
advantageous
to
through
this
process,
draw
four
districts
and
draw
five
districts
as
a
way
to
potentially
save
on
time
and
resources?
A
Should
that
change
debate
question
two,
I
I
believe
is
what
is
the
precise
process
to
come
to
the
conclusion
that
five
districts
is
more
compliant
with
the
cbra,
the
california
voting
rights
act
than
four
districts
is
that
is
that
a
fair
summary
of
the
two
components
of
your
questions
perfectly
we'll
take
in
the
latter
one?
I
think
we
need
to
investigate
that
more
versus
providing
on-the-spot
response
today,
certainly
looking
into
it
kristen
park
said
measure
f
from
1977
and
how
that
was
placed
on
the
ballot
and
what
that
means.
A
With
respect
to
compliance
of
the
california
voting
rights
rights
act,
we
can
look
into
that
and
provide
the
council
with
a
clear
understanding
of
as
we're
going
through
this
process.
Should
the
city
council
desire
to
look
or
to
adopt
five
districts?
A
Can
that
be
done
through
this
process
and
and
or
because
of
how
measure
f
was
adopted?
It
has
to
go
back
to
the
voters.
I
think,
if
that's
a
question,
we
can
do
the
work
and
provide
a
a
clear
answer
to
the
council
on
that
question.
With
respect
to
the
other
question,
which
is
we're
drawing
formats,
would
it
save
time
and
money
to
draw
five
match
through
this
process
potentially?
A
We
can't
do
that
to
provide
clarity
on
that.
It's
just
important
to
note
that
we
launched
this
process
looking
at
for
districts,
but
if
there's
a,
if
there's
a
desire
to
delve
further
into,
is
there
a
possibility
for
this.
B
Process
to
look
at
five
districts,
we
can
certainly
do
that
work
and
bring
that
information
back
to
the
city.
Council,
yeah
or
I
mean,
is
it
a?
Is
it
a
quote-unquote
safer
not
to
get
so
simple,
but
to
select
five
districts
now
and
have
the
five
districts
moving
forward?
We
had
at
one
time
discuss
five
districts.
B
We
had
also
talked
about
because,
if
I
remember
the
conversation
correctly
around
the
mayoral
issue,
we
all
agreed
that
nobody
wanted
to
spend
much
needed
city
money
on
a
special
election
and
that
if
this
item
would
go
to
the
voters
which
it
needed
to
it
would
have
to
go
next
year
and
that
would
align
with
the
districting
and
so
not
putting
the
cart
before
the
horse,
but
really
wanting
to
plan
this
out,
because
what
I
don't
want
is
I
don't
want
to
get
to
next
year
and
now
we're
not
going
to
move
forward
on
any
potential
changes
on
the
district
inc.
B
Now
we're
gonna
be
spending
another
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
a
new
for
a
new
district
map.
So
I
think
the
conversation
had
had
always
been
that
we
were
taking
these
into
consideration
as
we
moved
along,
and
I
don't
want
to
cost
the
city
more
money
on.
You
know
for
poor
planning
on
our
part
up
and
up
in
front.
C
At
the
front
of
this
project,
I
think
that
makes
perfect
sense.
I
would
just
put
put
a
pause
on
it
until
we
know
what
is
legally
possible.
I
certainly
wouldn't
want
to
engage
your
residents
in
your
community
on
you
know.
Concurrently,
thinking
about
you
know,
here's
the
maps
before
here's
the
map
to
five
unless
we're
sure
that
there
is
a
way
forward
with
the
five
prior
to
the
the
november
2022
election.
So
we
circle
back
on
that
as
soon
as
possible,
yeah
and
through
the
mayor,
justin.
A
Response
two
council
members
mason's
question
on
timing:
the
city
decided
in
2020
to
convert
to
district
elections
in
november
22,
and
so
now
we're
beginning
that
work.
The
conversation
that
occurred
earlier
in
this
year
was
kansas
city
hold
a
special
election
time
with
the
gubernatorial
recall.
A
To
put
the
question
of
a
directly
elected
mayor
before
the
voters,
we
were
preempted
from
doing
that
due
to
how
the
recall
process
unfolded
and
our
ability
to
put
something
on
the
ballot,
we
did
receive
a
quote
from
the
county
that
putting
a
special
holding
a
special
election
just
for
the
city
of
san
bruno
would
cost
approximately
500
000,
and
the
decision
at
that
time
was
to
not
move
forward
due
to
the
cost,
and
so
we
then
proceeded
with
the
district
elections
process
under
the
current
format,
as
per
mentor.
A
F,
directly
elected
mayor
for
council
districts,
the
question
that's
being
asked
out
is:
is
there
a
way
through
this
process,
to
look
at
five
districts,
and
should
there
be
a
master
by
districts
created?
Is
there
a
way
to
do
that
conversion
prior
to
the
november
2022
election,
so
that
it
is
not
for
that?
That
are
created
and
that's
the
question
that
council
wants
to
investigate
that
issue.
We
will
certainly
investigate
it
and
bring
back
information
to
the
city
council.
B
I
don't,
I
don't
know
the
first
person,
but
the
second
part
I
think
it
is
new,
given
that
it
sounds
like
there's
a
cost
associated
to
looking
into
this
at
a
later
time,
and
I
think
they
really
should
run
parallel
tracks
so
that
that
would
be
my
thoughts
on
that
and
then
just
another
question
and
then
I'll
turn
it
over
to
my
colleagues,
that
is
just
on
the
on
the
jail,
the
san
bernardino
jail,
so
sanborn
jail
has
quite
a
has
a
population
in
there
as
well,
and
I
am
curious
to
know
how
the
jail
fits
into
the
this
districting.
B
You
know
I
haven't,
even
I
don't
think
some.
I
might
I'm
sorry
samantha,
I'm
putting
on
the
spot,
but
are
they
included
in
the
census
as
residents
of
san
bruno?
C
Yeah,
no,
it's
actually
a
great
question
when
we're
talking
about
california's
adjustment.
We
are
talking
about
california,
adjusting
our
state
prison
inmates
and
those
incarcerated
in
federal
prisons.
Folks
who
are
in
jail
in
county
jail
are
usually
they're.
Of
course.
You
know
realignment
but
usually
they're
there
for
less
than
a
year,
and
they
are
not
counted
there
at
the
jail.
They
are
counted
at
their
place
of
residence.
C
A
I
believe
council
member
mason
has
concluded.
Thank
you,
council,
member
hamilton,
so
I
came
into
this
meeting
with
similar
questions
about
how
how
this
process
works
along
with
the
potential
for
rotating
there.
I
so
I
won't
cover
that
ground
again
because
it
was
just
covered,
but
I
do
have
one
the
one
question
regarding:
if
that
question
were
to
be
addressed
after
the
22
elections,
it
was
mentioned
that
we
would
have
to
go
back
and
use
fresh
data.
I
thought
the
census
was
done
every
10
years.
A
What
fresh
data
would
be
available,
or
are
we
talking
about
all
that
other
stuff,
like
potentially
residents
coming,
saying,
there's
a
particular
community
that
they
want
to
keep
together
or
whatever
that
that
non-population-based
data
that
would
force
a
yeah.
C
Two
things
so
the
census
that
you
would
be
required
to
use
if
you're
doing
this
at
any
point
again
in
the
next
decade
the
total
population
numbers
you're,
going
to
use
for
population
balance
will
be
the
2020
census.
However,
the
u.s
census
bureau
does
an
annual
survey
called
the
american
community
survey,
and
that
is
where
we
they,
what
they
do
with
that
is
they
combine
it
into
like
a
five-year
rolling
data
set.
C
So
if
you
did
this
two
years
from
now,
there
would
be
some
perhaps
minor
changes
to
the
demographic
data
in
the
sense
of
where
your
citizen
voting
age,
population,
race,
ethnicity,
renters,
homeowners,
all
of
that
extra
stuff
that
comes
from
the
american
community
survey
that
is
updated
on
an
annual
basis.
However,
for
the
purposes
of
drawing
the
district
boundaries
to
be
equal
in
population
size,
that
number
will
not
change
until
after
20
30.
A
Understood:
okay,
thank
you.
I
would
concur
with
councilmember
mason
that
trying
to
avoid
going
through
this
whole
process
twice,
not
just
not
just
for
the
expense,
but
for
the
effort
for
the
for
the
community
to
redraw
everything
and
doing
everything
you
know
doing
the
entire
process
again
a
year
from
now
or
further
is
not
ideal,
and
if
there's
a
way
that
we
can
figure
out
how
to
get
all
that
data
now
and
then
figure
out
how
forward
given
given
what
the
the
previous
direction
has
been.
A
Thank
you
for
that.
I
apologize
just
for
the
record.
I
I
I
do
agree
with
council
councilman,
mason
and
councilman
hamilton
if
there
was
a
way
that
we
could
proceed
and
not
have
those
expenditures
in
the
future,
I'm
in
favor
of
that.
So
I
just
want
to
make
that
clear.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
thank
you
any
other
miss
parks.
Oh
I'm
sorry,
council,
member,
salazar.
All
right,
I
was
I
was
playing
around
with
the
map.
I
got
a
little
distracted,
but
I
I
just
had
a
quick
question
about
the
maps
themselves
and
it's
I
see
that
they
were
drawn
with
what
looks
to
be
some
census
tracts
some
census
tract
borders
and
they
got
the
numbers
in
there
and
it
seems
like
the
city
pretty
well
divides.
I
mean
if
you
were
just
sort
of
a
quarter
it
out.
A
It
would
kind
of
give
us
our
our
ten
thousand.
So
it
seems
like
a
pretty
even
distribution
of
voters
across
the
city
and
looking
at
the
map.
So
if
we
were
to
try
to
do
something
more
creative
with
this,
can
we
assume
that
there
is
a
pretty
uniform
distribution
of
voters
across
all
of
the
blocks
within
those
census
tracts?
C
No,
so
what
you're
looking
at
so
the
census
counts
all
the
way
down
to
the
block
level
and
if
you're,
looking
at
those
paper
maps,
you
know
we
can't
print
on
a
letter,
size
piece
of
paper,
every
single
census
block
right,
but
there
is
large
variance,
as
you
can
imagine,
right,
other
parts
of
the
city
with
apartment
buildings
and
parts
of
the
city
with
single
family
homes
and
parts
of
the
city
with
nobody
at
all.
C
So
that
is
very
block
by
block
what
you're
looking
at
are
collections
of
of
city
of
blocks
right
for
the
most
part.
Here
these
are
collections
of
multiple
blocks.
The
blocks
tend
to
follow
the
streets,
so
when
you
can
see
where
the
street
and
but
not
not
a
hundred
percent
of
the
time
right,
maybe
like
eighty
percent
of
the
time
they
follow
the
streets
perfectly.
C
So
each
of
these
population
units
the
ndc
has
drawn.
We
draw
them
in
a
way
that
tries
to
make
it
easier
for
the
public
to
get
an.
You
know,
an
estimate,
but
certainly
the
public.
Here
they
don't
have
to
draw
based
on
the
these
population
unit
lines.
They
do
follow.
C
Census
blocks,
but
keep
in
mind
that
each
of
these
units
here
is
a
collection
of
census
blocks
and
the
number
of
voters.
Oh
well,
the
population
right
we're
not
looking
here
at
the
number
of
voters,
but
the
population
does
vary
from
block
to
block
in
some
areas.
Quite
significantly,
once
the
online
tool
is
launched,
you'll
be
able
to
drill
all
the
way
down
to
the
block
level.
Again,
I'm
crossing
my
fingers,
so
that's
this
week,
we'll
see
but
yeah
you'll
be
able
to
drill
all
the
way
down
to
to
that
block
level.
C
C
It
automatically
calculates
it
for
you.
The
tool
that
you're
getting
district
art
is
my
favorite
tool.
It's
very
very
easy.
No
account
is
required,
no
login.
You
literally
will
point
and
click
to
select,
and
you
can
point
and
click
to
deselect,
and
it
will
automatically
give
you
information.
So
I
generally
tell
folks
you
know
you
can
use
google
google
maps.
You
can
probably
use
this
tool
and
you
know
keep
in
mind
that,
for
instance,
what
you
see
here
at
the
cemetery
with
with
I
don't
know
why
there's
25
residents
in
it.
A
Right
yeah
notice,
the
high
school
too,
has
456,
but
it
also
includes
a
little
piece
of
the
neighborhood,
that's
adjacent
to
it,
so
it's
kind
of
an
interesting
geography
there.
Okay,
thank
you
and-
and
so
my
other
question
too,
was
looking
at
the
at
the
population
maps,
the
ones
that
that
were
focused
on
the
ethnic
distributions,
and
it
really
doesn't
look
like
just
based
on
those
maps.
A
I
would
say
that
there
is
no
one
geographical
area
that
we
could
identify
that
it's
somehow
disadvantaged
in
in
the
in
in
terms
of
setting
up
a
voting
district,
and
even
if
you
look
at
the
concentration
of
of
hispanics
or
spanish-speaking
people,
they
might
be
in
an
area,
but
there's
such
a
small
portion
of
that
area
that
their
vote
still
would
possibly
be
diluted
within
a
district
unless
you
get
very
granular.
C
Yeah
well,
there's
always
you
know
we
can't
prevent
people
from
trying
to
to
bring
lawsuits.
However,
what
we
are
experts
in
doing
is
creating
maps
that
are
defensible
in
court
right
and
ndc
of
for
the
three
or
four
decades
we've
been
doing.
We've
never
had
a
court
strike
down
any
any
of
the
maps
that
we
have
have
drawn
for
our
our
clients.
So
that's
a
good
thing
and
we
are
very
mindful
of
what
of
you
know
what
the
requirements
are
in
terms
of
you
know.
C
If
there
is
a
possibility
to
draw
a
majority
minority
district,
making
sure
that
that
is
something
that's
considered,
but
also
if
there
is
a
concentration
of,
for
instance,
spanish-speaking
folks
in
the
area
that
we're
not
splitting
them
up-
and
you
know
having
them
be
in
three
different
districts
so
that
they
really
can't
organize
as
a
community
together
and
that's
really
part
of
the
heart
of
the
discussion
of
community
of
interest
is
a
community
may
want
to
organize
and
they
might
may
want
to
organize
for
the
betterment
of
of
their
area
or
their
neighborhood,
and,
and
we
want
them
to
have
the
opportunity
to
do
so.
A
B
I
think
those
were
great
questions
from
councilmember
salazar.
I
I
think
just
along
those
those
questions
have
you
seen
the
work
you've
already
done
in
other
cities,
an
actual
change
in
representation
after
districting.
C
Yes,
yes,
there
there
often
is
a
change
in
representation
after
districting.
Yes,
I
don't.
I
don't
have
a
quantification
of
that,
but
some
cases-
yes
in
some
cases,
no
but
yeah
oftentimes.
Yes,
particularly
when
you
are
drawing
majority
minority
districts
oftentimes,
you
do
see
a
minority
member
elected.
B
Okay,
great,
thank
you
yeah.
I
think
it
just
it's
your
enhance,
like
you're,
enhancing
the
opportunities
for
people
to
run,
because,
but
it
is
a
lot
less
right.
You're,
you
have
a
less
population,
less
population
that
you
have
to
pay
for
flyers
and
such,
but
I
do
get
concerned
about
the
unanticipated
consequences
of
that.
B
If
there
aren't
other
measures
taken
to
ensure
that
there's
opportunities
still
for
individuals
to
run,
you
know
and
representation,
and
so
I
think
you
know
we'll
have
to
see
how
this
plays
out
as
we
move
forward
here
in
san
bernardino.
Thank
you.
C
Yeah-
and
I
always
tell
my
clients
that
you
know
when
I
was
teaching
political
science
to
tell
my
students
that
you
know
drawing
these
district
boundaries
is
only
one
one
small
part
of
the
representation
puzzle
right.
Voters
also
have
to
you
know
we
look
at
citizen
voting
age
population,
but
you
have
to
make
sure
that
those
eligible
voters
are
registered
to
vote
and
turn
out
to
vote
and
that
you
have
people
running
for
office.
C
So
you
know
we
need
to
ask
folks
that
in
our
community
that
we
think
would
make
good
leaders
we
need
to
ask
them
to
run
for
office.
We
know
that
women
and
and
people
of
color
and
minorities,
often
don't
run
unless
someone
asks
them.
So
please
ask
people
to
run
for
office,
ensure
that
your
friends,
family
and
neighbors
are
registered
to
vote
and
turn
out
to
vote
right.
All
of
that
is
beyond
the
scope
of
what
I
can
do
for
you
as
your
demographer.
B
A
A
Yeah
mayor
before
we
leave,
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
city
council
direction
because
I
I
do
think
I
heard
three
council
members
request
that
the
city
look
into
a
five
district
math
option
and
it's
relation
to
mentor
f,
and
is
there
the
ability,
through
this
process,
for
the
city
council
to
consider
five
district?
And
in
the
comments
I
heard
a
majority
of
council
members
say
that
I
just
want
to
confirm
that
because
staff
will
take
that
as
direction.
A
In
addition,
the
the
other
thing
request
that
was
made
for
the
city
attorney
to
clarify
how
the
jail
population
is
counted
for
these
maps,
and
so
I
just
want
to
confirm
from
the
city
council
that
that's
clear
directions
and
the
two
takeaways
from
the
state.
A
Okay,
did
that
last
caveat
city
measure
make
sense
or
okay
yeah,
I
think
councilwoman
mason
was
referring
to
by
the
them
the
jail
population
for
both
the
mass
and
the
power
count.
Okay,
you're,
correct,
okay,
looks
like
there's
direction
and
thank
you
for
this
public
hearing
appreciate
our
folks
that
gave
the
presentation
again.
We
appreciate
it
and
thank
you
to
staff,
and
so
with
that
be
no
further
business.
D
Rick
I'm
going
to
recuse
myself
and
then
I'll,
not
recuse,
but
abstain
from
the
from
the
minutes.
Just
so
you
know
that
as
chair
I
was
not
at
the
last
meeting.
A
D
When
my
son
turned
50,
he
lives
in
australia,
so
I
posted
on
facebook,
some
historical
things.
From
early
on
you
know
I
was
coming
home
to
the
hospital
all
the
way
to
his
montana,
joe
montana's
outfits
and
his
six.
You
know
the
number
16
all
the
earrings
that
I
still
have
of
his
it
was.
It
was
really
fun
to
do
that.
So
a
parent
every
year
think
more
about
your
child.
Your
children's
birthday
and
those
milestones
are
a
big
deal.
A
D
We
get
the
packet,
sometimes
we
get
it
from
vicky.
We
get
it
from
different
sources,
but
it's
not
always
the
same
each
week,
so
you
have
to
sort
of
search
a
little
bit
and
this
time
I
had
to
go
on
the
city
website,
go
to
the
government
section
and
download
it
because
I
I
didn't
see
it
in
any
of
the
emails,
so
I
think
I'm
just
going
to
make
that
a
practice.
I'm
not
you
know
I
really
like
when
I
get
it,
but
I,
but
it's
it's
just
easy
to
go
on
the
website.
A
A
I
think
we're
good
yeah
quorum
is
usually
half
of
the
group.
Rounded
up.
There's
five
of
you
present
caribbean
sodium.
So
I
think
you
can
get
started
okay,
so
with
that
good
evening,
and
welcome
to
the
october
19
2021
planning
commission
meeting
for
everyone
attending
virtually.
Thank
you
for
joining
us.
Please
know
that
we
want
to
hear
from
you
if
you're
in
the
audience-
and
you
would
like
to
address
the
commission
during
public
comment
for
an
item
on
the
agenda-
there's
two
options
for
those
of
you
using
online
zoom.
A
Please
use
the
raise
your
hand
button
at
the
bottom
of
the
touchscreen.
When
it
is
your
turn
to
speak,
you
will
be
unmuted
and
given
three
minutes
to
address
the
commission,
if
you're
joining
us
by
telephone,
you
may
address
the
commission
by
pressing
star
nine.
When
it
is
your
turn
to
speak,
you
will
be
muted
and
given
three
minutes
to
address
the
commission,
please
note
that
you
may
only
speak
once
per
agenda
item
and
michael,
would
you
give
us
a
hand
taking
roll
call?
Please.
B
A
A
A
A
Commissioner
morgan
excused
commissioner
madden:
yes,
mr
johnson,
yes,
commissioner,
levin
aye,
mr
dorazo
is
excused
vice
chair,
harmon
hi.
A
So
that
brings
us
to
september
21
2021..
Do
we
have
a
motion
for
those
minutes.
A
Anyway,
I'll
motion,
we
approve
the
minute.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Do
we
have
a
second
second
second,
and
we
have
a
motion
in
the
second
for
the
september
21
minutes
roll
call
vote
again.
Please,
michael,
hey,
commissioner
morgan
excused
commissioner
madden
I'll
abstain.
I
was
not
present.
Okay,
commissioner
johnson.
D
A
A
Michael,
can
you
see
anyone
on
your
side?
No
okay,
then
we'll
move
on
to
item
three
conflicts
of
interest.
Anyone
have
a
conflict.
Even
no
okay,
then
we
will
move
on
to
item
four
public
hearings.
A
2230
fleetwood-
and
this
is
staffers-
recommend
you
and
recommending
we
continue
to
november
16
2021..
Anyone
have
comments
or
to
continue.
A
A
Michael
smith,
you're
here
with
us,
I
see
you
on
the
screen.
You
should
be
so
kind
just
to
help
us
with
a
roll
call
vote.
Please
sure!
Well,
I'm
gonna!
I'm
gonna
pause
right
here
for
a
moment.
I
I
think
he
might
be
checking
on
the
last
motion.
You
guys
made
just
to
make
sure
so
we'll
wait
to
hear
from
michael
right
now.
Okay,
that
was
commissioner
morgan
having
trouble
with
the
link
okay.
So
I
apologize.
Where
were
we?
A
We
were
on
item
4a
and
we
were
looking
at
staff
recommendation
to
continue
to
november
16th
correct?
Yes,
okay,
so
we
had
a
motion
in
a
second.
Would
you
give
him
what
the
roll
call
votes
was?
Certainly,
commissioner,
morgan
coming
coming
soon?
Hopefully,
commissioner
madden
hi,
commissioner
johnson
aye,
commissioner
levin
aye,
commissioner
derazo,
is
excused
vice
chair
harman
and
chair
b,
asante.
A
All
right
so
with
that
we'll
move
on
to
item
b,
which
is
1723
hickory,
and
this
is
also
a
staff
recommendation
to
continue
to
november
16
2021..
Anyone
might
want
to
make
a
comment
or
a
motion.
A
Commissioner
morgan
coming
soon,
commissioner
madden
aye,
mr
johnson
aye,
commissioner
lepen
hi
commissioner
dorazo
excused
commissioner
of
us,
chair,
harman,
hi
and
chair
by
psat
hi.
A
A
Hopefully
you
can
you're
able
to
see
my
screen.
A
Well
good
evening,
commissioners,
this
item
is
similar
to
the
presentation
that
pamela
did
to
the
city
council
last
evening
on
the
new
state
laws,
plus
some
existing
state
laws,
and
it's
always
good
to
even
if
you're
familiar
with
some
of
the
some
of
the
housing
laws.
It's
always
good.
A
A
So,
let's
see
I
can
get
there,
we
go
so
as
I
mentioned
well,
the
objective
is
to
provide
an
overview
this
evening
and
then
an
explanation
of
how
these
laws
can
restrict
some
of
the
ability
of
the
city
to
regulate
certain
projects.
A
A
A
Also
in
san
bruno's
case,
you
have
the
transit
corridors
plan,
which
is
a
plan
for
mixed
use,
development
along
san
bruno's
corridors,
and
that
that
document
has
very
specific
standards
about
development
and
development,
massing
and
so
forth,
and
these
laws
of
course
strike
a
balance
between
non-existing
development,
while
also
basically
maintaining
the
quality
of
life
for
the
community.
A
The
new
state
laws,
however,
supersede
some
of
these
local
regulations.
They
serve
to
streamline
and
expedite
review
processes.
They
limit
the
applicability
of
zoning
in
some
cases
and
they
waive
certain
development
standards
such
as
parking
height,
setbacks
and
so
forth
and
again,
the
aim
of
the
state
laws
is
to
increase
production
of
housing.
A
A
The
legislation
allows
for
single-family
owned
lots
anywhere
within
a
jurisdiction
to
have
up
to
four
units.
This
includes
all
the
units
types
such
as
a
duplex,
an
accessory
dwelling
unit,
a
junior
accessory
dwelling
unit
as
permitted
by
the
existing
adu
laws.
It
will
prohibit
any
discretionary
review.
That
means
any
type
of
review
by
the
arc.
The
planning,
commission
or
the
city
council
and
review
can
only
be
through
a
building
permit
based
on
standards
that
the
city
has
in
place.
A
There
is
a
provision
in
the
law
that
states
that,
if
you
are
subdividing,
you
have
to
subdivide
roughly
proportionate
to
the
size
of
the
lot
based
on
a
maximum
40
60
split,
so
you
can
do
50,
50,
40,
60
or
anything
in
between,
but
you
can't
do
take
20
of
the
lot
area
and
then
leave
80.
So
so
it's
1200
square
feet
is
the
minimum
and
then
the
roughly
proportional
split.
A
It
prohibits
off-street
parking
requirements
to
know
more
than
one
parking
space
per
unit.
That's
all
that
can
be
required
if
the
property
is
located
within
a
half
a
mile
of
high
quality
transit
in
san
bruno's
case,
the
sam
trams
bus
lines
on
el
camino,
real
caltrainer
or
bart
or
car
share
vehicles
available
within
a
block.
No
street,
no
street
parking
spaces
would
be
required
for
units
and
it
does.
A
Stay
here
I
I
hope
that
this,
these
graphics
are
not
meant
to
alarm
you,
and
I
think
they
may
be.
A
You
know,
go
a
bit
far,
but
the
one
on
the
left
you
can
see
shows
an
existing
single-family
residential
neighborhood
and
then
the
the
diagram
below
shows
potential
development
under
sb9.
I
think
that
the
the
mass
in
the
boxes
and
the
massing
they're
showing
is
a
bit
aggressive
and
probably
overdone,
but
it
it's.
You
know
I
think
it's
just
designed
to
help
convey
what
you
know
visually.
What
might
happen
the
next
image
the
before
and
after
sb9,
so
there
are
potentially
a
number
of
ways.
A
Individuals
could
subdivide
their
lots
either
with
you
know,
subdividing
off
the
back
of
the
lot
with
some
sort
of
an
easement
or
splitting
the
lot
into
directly
from
the
street.
A
You
know,
so
those
are
some
of
the
some
of
the
possible
ways.
People
might
use
this
law.
However,
it's
it's
worth
noting
that
some
research
has
been
done
by
the
turner
center
in
berkeley.
Looking
at
you
know
all
of
the
lots
within
the
state
and
also
looking
at
larger
cities,
including
san
bruno,
and
they
basically,
you
know,
they're
looking
at
it
from
an
economic
standpoint,
whether
you
know
the
the
cost
and
value
of
adding
a
unit
versus
what
it
can
be.
A
You
know
rented
for
you
know
whether
that
makes
sense,
and
they
see
that
you
know
for
san
bruno.
That
would
mean
no
more
than
500
of
these
types
of
units
during
the
life
of
the
law,
but
our
staff's
feeling
is
that
most
homeowners
who
are
interested
in
having
an
additional
unit
on
the
property
would
be
looking
more
at
the
adu
or
the
junior
adu
option,
rather
than
subdividing
their
property
subdivision
requires.
A
In
addition
to
that,
one
of
the
the
one
of
the
problems
that
we
see
with
the
law
is
that
it
creates
or
can
create
a
number
of
building
code
conflicts.
So,
for
example,
the
building
code
for
residential
construction
requires
that
you
maintain
a
five
foot
setback
from
any
openings,
such
as
doors
windows
along
a
building,
and
if
you
go
closer
than
that,
those
openings
have
to
be
fire
rated,
you
know,
or
they
have
to
be
eliminated
so
and
for
residential
homes.
A
You
need
ingress
and
egress
out
of
windows
and
around
the
perimeter
of
a
structure
so
subdivision.
I
think
people
will
find
great
wealth
created
that
will
create
a
lot
of
conflicts
in
these
types
of
structures.
So
time
will
tell
how
this
will
play
out.
But
again
you
know.
We
feel
that
the
that
most
people
are
going
to
go
for
adus
and
junior
adus
senate
bill
10
is
the
is
also
another
bill
that
governor
newsom
signed
into
law
and
also
takes
effect
january
1st
2022.
A
This
law
is,
is
optional
for
cities.
So
it's
not
it's
it's
a
tool
for
cities
who
wish
to
increase
single-family
residential
zoning
intensity
close
to
transit.
So
what
it
does
is
it
exempts.
A
You
know
with
in
close
proximity
of
transit,
so
the
act
the
act
of
rezoning
would
be
exempt
from
the
california
environmental
quality
act,
so
it
just
provides
a
tool
for
cities
that
want
to
do
that.
So
there's
no!
There's
no
requirement
that
that
cities
do
this
or
you
know-
or
you
know,
take
on
these
types
of
rezonings
unless
they
really
want
to.
A
Okay,
so
this
is
kind
of
a
a
summer
summer
slide
again,
not
too
not
just
not
too
concerned,
hopefully
scare
you
too
much,
but
it
just
tries
to
show
how
you
you
know
you
could
have
a
number
of
if
you
did
an
sb10
rezoning
of
a
residential
neighborhood
close
to
transit
and
then
with
the
effects
of
sb9.
A
Just
this,
the
you
know
the
adu
laws
have
been
in
effect
for
a
number
of
years
and
they
were
recently
updated
in
2020,
and
then
the
city
of
san
bruno
adopted
the
essentially
the
state
law
for
accessory
dwelling
units,
and
so
it
allows
for
accessory
dwelling
units
and
junior
accessory
dwelling
units
which
are
within
a
structure
to
be
built
in
in
a
jurisdiction.
A
So
within
san
bruno
prior
to
the
law
change.
I
think
the
city
was
averaging
about
10
to
13
accessory
dwelling
units
in
2020,
the
city
experienced
a
spike
in
adu
production.
There
were
43
units
created
and
then
in
2021
and
we're
not
even
done
with
the
year.
A
Yet
it's
an
additional
43
applications
that
we've
received
and
again
those
are
ministerial,
so
they're
processed
by
just
a
billing
permit,
and
you
know
so
those
the
planning
this
the
architecture,
view
committee
or
the
planning
commission,
don't
don't
end
up
seeing
those
those
applications
and
just
a
reminder
that
the
et
cetera
going
units
can
be
detached
attached,
interior
or
also
be
a
conversion
of
a
garage
space
or
other
existing
space.
A
A
It
allows
eligible
residential
projects
to
be
processed
ministerially,
meaning
without
a
review
by
decision-making
bodies
in
urbanized
areas
where
cities
did
not
produce
enough
housing
to
meet
their
regional
housing
needs
assessment
numbers
in
the
current
housing
cycle,
so
for
san
bruno,
you
know,
did
not
meet
its
current
arena
allocation
by
no
fault
of
the
cities.
You
know
again.
A
Cities
are
only
required
to
designate
properties
for
housing
development
within
the
the
housing
element
cycle
and
then
it's
up
to
the
price.
You
know
basically
private
developers
and
the
development
community
to
come
forward
to
develop
those
sites.
So,
but
you
know
be
that
what
it
is
you
know
most
most
jurisdictions
in
the
state
are
in
the
same
situation,
meaning
that
they
have
to
basically
accept
these
sp
sv-35
type
projects.
A
So
these
projects
can
only
be
reviewed
by
what
are
called
objective
design
standards.
Those
are
any
standards
that
the
city
has
in
place
at
the
time
the
application
is
made
in
the
case
of
san
bruno.
This
the
city
is
fortunate
to
have
a
transit
quarter
specific
plan,
which
is
the
location
of
where
many
of
these
types
of
applications
may
be
made.
A
There
are
some
time
frames
within
the
law
where
jurisdictions
have
essentially
six
days
to
review
the
the
application
for
their
these
objective
design,
standards
and,
and
then
another
30
days
to
basically
review
the
application.
If
it's
under
150
dwelling
units-
and
you
know
so
that
so
there's
some
very
tight
time
frames
here-
and
I
and
also
no
parking
as
mentioned
as
shown
in
the
slide.
If
it's,
if
the
project's
within
a
half
mile
of
transit.
A
So
the
housing
accountability
act
and
senate
bill
330
were
enacted
into
law
in
2017
and
amended
in
2021,
and
it
applies
to
any
any
developments
of
two
or
more
units
and
a
number
of
other
type
of
types
of
types
of
residential
developments
and
oops.
I'm
sorry.
I
apologize
here
my
cursor's
a
little
too
too
easy
to
move
here,
so
it
it
affects
the
jurisdiction's
ability
to
approve
or
disapprove
development,
and
the
only
standard
is
whether
that
can
be
applied.
A
Is
whether
this
the
jurisdiction
can
prove
that
the
development
will
have
an
unavoidable
impact
on
public
health
and
safety.
So
so,
as
you
can
see,
the
kind
of
the
five
main
points
on
the
bottom
of
the
slide.
It
lends
the
jurisdiction's
ability
to
disprove
projects
prevents
jurisdictions
from
increasing
fees
after
an
application
is
submitted
there
there,
it
limits
the
number
of
public
hearings
to
five.
A
You
know
in
the
case
of
jurisdictions
that
have
multiple
subcommittees.
Cremate
creates
a
permit
streamlining
process
and
also
prevent
cities
and
counties
from
creating
building
limits,
such
as
a
you
know.
A
moratorium
on
the
number
of
units
that
could
be
could
be
built
within
a
period.
A
The
state
density
bonus
law
has
is,
has
been
been
used.
It
is
starting
to
be
used
more
and
more
by
jurisdictions.
A
They
can
get
more
units
based
on
the
the
level
of
the
number
of
affordable
units
and
the
and
the
the
depth
of
the
affordability
so
and
it's
based
on
a
sliding
scale,
and
there
were
recent
amendments
to
the
to
the
density
bonus
law
in
2020
that
even
provide
a
greater
incentives
for
developers
that
are
more
more
units
for
developers
up
to
eighty
percent,
an
eighty
percent
density
bonus
for
certain
types
of
100
percent,
affordable
projects
and
including
senior
housing
projects.
A
So
that's
a
significant
difference
from
what
local
jurisdictions
zoning
and
development
standards
would
allow.
So
that's
that's
significant
in
the
case,
I
think
I'll
make
it
just
make
a
comment.
That's
pertinent
to
san
bruno.
So,
under
our
transit
quarters
plan
we
have
a
height
limit
of
70
feet
for
the
transit
oriented
development
zone
along
el
camino,
for
example
in
san
bruno
avenue,
and
they
there
there
is
no
density
maximum
if
the
lot's
more
than
20
000
square
feet.
So
what
so?
A
So
the
developer
may
may
not
approach
the
city
if
they
are
developing
one
of
those
in
one
of
those
areas
to
actually
get
more
units
in
some
jurisdictions.
There
say
there's
a
density
limit
on
the
number
of
units,
but
what
they
may
do
instead
is
just
ask
for
what
are
called
incentives
and
concessions
from
various
zoning
standards.
A
However,
parking
some
types
of
parking
standards
are
like,
for
example,
if
you're
close
to
to
transit
cities
are
already
limited
to
how
many
parking
spaces
they
can
require
in
those
situations-
and
you
know
again,
it
would
be
up
to
the
city
to
you
know
to
to
demonstrate
that
there's
the
health
safety
welfare
impact
to
the
project.
If,
if
there's
a,
you
know
when,
when
one
of
these
concessions
is
asked
for
or
waivers.
A
Okay,
I
know
I've
provided
you
with
an
immense
amount
of
information,
and
so
you
know
we'd
be
happy
to
open
it
up
for
any
questions
you
have,
and
I
don't
know
if
we've
got
anyone
from
the
public
present
at
this
time.
A
Yeah
a
couple
questions
the
height
limit,
a
lot
of
buildings.
I've
worked
on
because
they're
near
airports,
they
had
height
limits
that
superseded
anything
that
a
particular
city
had.
Is
there
anything
like
that,
being
you
know
so
close
to
sfo.
That
would
supersede
any
of
these
exceeding
provisions
that
you
talked
about.
A
That's
a
very
good
question:
no
there
you
cannot
exceed
a
you,
don't
have
a
established
type
height
limit.
You
know
how
far
that
extends.
Is
it
just
101
or
is
it
further
into
the
city?
Well,
the
there's
a
conical
surface
that
extends
up
from
the
runways.
A
So
there's
you
know
so
the
height
the
allowed
height
of
berries
depending
you
know
how
close
you
are
to
the
airport,
the
other.
The
other
component
is
the
noise
contour.
So
you
know
portions
of
town
are
within
the
70
to
75
decibel
noise
contour,
so
based
on
the
airport,
land
use,
commission
standards
and
plan
residentials
and
incompatible
use.
However,
the
city
could
still
approve
housing
in
those
areas
with
sound.
You
know,
mitigation
and
an
override
of
the
aluc,
so
developers
can
still
propose
projects
within
those
areas.
A
A
Okay
and
then
I
had
a
question
on
slide:
seven
and
slide
nine.
I
just
wanna
make
sure
I'm
understanding
right.
Okay,
let
me
I
guess
I
could
go
back
to
if
I
could
find
it.
A
A
Okay,
so
yeah
so
the
right
hand,
side
you've
got
the
before
sp9
and
after
sb9,
and
obviously
the
buildings
are
different,
but
the
orange
one
on
the
right
also
shows
a
whole
bunch
of
cars
where
the
other
one
does
was
there.
A
Particular
why
we're
doing
that
other
than
I
know
you
mentioned
the
parking
off-site
parking
or
something
is
so.
Those
restrictions
have
been
lacked,
but
is
there
anything
in
there
about,
like
only
people
who
live
in
these
lots
should
be
able
to
park
their
cars
they're
like
a
sticker
program
or
something
because
I
could
see
this
getting
really
out
of
hand
with
so
many
different
people
living
in
a
50
foot
wide
lot
with
you
know
two
or
three
cars
in
each
lot
and
you
know,
could
be
a
recipe
for
disaster.
A
A
I
think
that
the
point
is
that
you
know
you
could
definitely
see
additional.
You
know
you
will
I'm
sure
you
will
see
additional
cars
associated
with
these.
With
these
types
of
units
again,
the
state
just
restricts
the
fact
that
you
can
only
require
one
covered
or
uncovered
space
per
unit.
A
So
if
someone
does
choose
to
build
four
units,
they
could
satisfy
their
parking
with
a
two-car
garage,
two-car,
driveway
or
or
can
you
know
a
tandem
situation
as
well?
So,
yes,
you
could
see
this
one.
A
One
thing
to
just
mention
is
that
the
you
know
the
city
does:
have
its
municipal
code
a
a,
I
guess,
a
an
allowance
for
residential
parking
permits,
but
that
has
that
would
have
to
be
initiated.
You
know
by
a
neighborhood
to
the
planning
commission,
I'm
sorry
to
the
city
council.
A
So
there
isn't
a
pro.
It
is
a
process
too.
You
know
with
the
with
the
majority
of
residents
within
a
neighborhood,
to
request
residential
parking
permits.
However,
the
difficult
part
of
that
is,
you
cannot
use
those
permits.
A
Necessarily
to
restrict
new
residents
from
parking
or
having
access
to
those
permits,
so
you
know
getting
you
know,
putting
a
neighborhood
under
parking
permits
may
not
help
solve
the
issue
for
existing
residents.
So
you
know
again,
these
are
things
that
the
states
you
know
doesn't
allow
jurisdictions
to
do.
A
Okay,
one
more
on
this
slide.
So
there's
a
couple
of
lots
on
here
where
the
original
house,
instead
of
splitting
in
two
smaller
houses,
is
just
getting
bigger.
Are
there
any
rest?
Are
there
any
changes
to
what
you
know
if
he's
making
a
single
family
home
larger,
like
are
the
setback
requirements
all
the
same?
I
know
we
have
a
bunch
of
rules.
Almost
everything
that
comes
in
the
planning
commission
is
because
someone's
enlarging
their
house
50
more
than
what
it
is
now
seems
like
that's
pretty
much.
A
The
only
type
of
project
we'd
be
reviewing
from
now
on.
Is
that
a
fair
statement?
A
Yes,
so
you
know
again
with
the
allowance
for
a
to
use
and
junior
adus,
that
you
know
that
that
basically
only
require
building
permits
and
and
they
have
to
be
allowed
and
permitted
by
the
jurisdiction.
A
You
know
we
can't
you
know,
review
them
against
the
city's
residential
time
guidelines
and
and
floor
area
requirements,
and
I
know
the
arc
just
recently
reviewed
a
home
that
had
an
internal
crawl
space
that
was
not
used
as
habitable
space.
However,
you
know
in
those
types
of
situations
if
the
homeowner
comes
in
with
a
permit
for
a
junior
adu
within
the
footprint
of
the
building,
you
know
we're
required
to
issue
the
permit,
so
the
you
know
so
floor
area
issue.
A
You
know
again,
these
laws,
I
think,
will
we'll
kind
of
somewhat
bypass
some
of
the
city's
floor
area
restrictions
or
reviews
related
to
additional
floor
area
right.
I
guess
what
I
mean
is
that
all,
if
you
just
want
to
make
your
house
bigger
and
not
put
an
adu
or
junior
edu,
all
the
same
rules
that
we've
been
following
supply?
Correct,
yes,
correct
correct!
A
Unless
someone
wheels
on
them,
okay,
all
right
on
slide
nine,
you
could
go
that
one.
A
A
So,
as
I
mentioned,
sb10
is
is
not
required
by
jurisdictions.
It's
only.
It
only
provides
a
tool
for
environmental
reviews.
A
Process
of
a
zone
change,
so
if,
if
jurisdictions,
desire
to
re-zone
residents
single-handedly
residential
neighborhoods
close
to
transit
for
small
apartment
buildings,
they
the
jurisdiction
can
can
basically
set
the
rules
for
that
type
of
rezoning.
So
it
doesn't
need
to
be
for
10
units
if
you're,
if
the
jurisdiction
wants
to
say,
allow
for
five
units
or
six
units
and
stay
within
that
area
and
re-zone,
an
area
that
the
process
of
rezoning
is
would
be
exempt
from
the
california
environmental
quality
act.
So
all
it's
doing
is
it's
it's.
A
Okay,
that's
good,
because
I
could
see
this
crushing
property
values.
A
Alright,
I
see
your
hand
is
after
the
next
in
line
yeah.
I
I'm
a
little
disappointed
in
the
the
images
that
are
sourced
for
these
slides
because
they're
from
groups
that
were
lobbying
against
the
laws
and
they're
actively
misinformational,
I
mean
the
fb-10
one
in
particular,
being
a
completely
opt-in
process.
A
You
know,
if
you
don't
want
to
zone
for
10
unit
apartments
in
a
neighborhood,
then
don't
zone
for
that.
It's
giving
cities
a
tool
that
actually
gives
them
more
flexibility,
not
less
on
the
height
limits.
I
know
we
have
some.
A
You
know
five
six
story,
apartments
down
in
burlingame
at
that
comparable
distance
from
the
airport.
I
mean-
I
don't
know
if
you
do
know
offhand,
but
I
was
curious
to
the
answer
to
commissioner's
question.
Like
are
we
anywhere
close
to
hitting
that
surface?
My
understanding
is
we're,
probably
not
anywhere,
but
maybe
in
the
northeast
corner
of
the
city.
A
Yeah
and
we'd
have
to
to
check
to
check
that
okay,
so
yeah,
my
back
of
the
envelope.
My
understanding
is
that,
even
with
I
mean
whatever
bonuses,
whatever
maximum,
you
could
propose
like
they
were
nowhere
near
hitting
that
surface,
and
it's
not
going
to
be
relevant
on
the
sb
35
topic.
I
did
just
I
mean
if
you
look
at
what
we
proposed
to
do
in
the
transit
florida's
plan.
A
I
think
you
would
probably
agree
with
again
a
little
back
the
envelope
map
that
if
we
had
actually
built
out
the
transit
corridor
to
the
density,
we
said
we
wanted
to
whatever
that
was
six
seven
eight
years
ago
we
would
not
be
behind
on
our
reno
number,
then
we
would
not
be
subject
to
sb-35.
Would
you
generally
agree
with
that?
A
You
know
yeah,
depending
on
the
level
of
affordability,
it
would
have
yeah,
I
mean
again
to
fair,
depending
on
including
the
vi
units
and
so
on,
but
the
raw
number
of
units
is
more
than
that,
and
so
I
I
think
you
know
I'm
not
super
pleased
to
see
us
lose
discretion,
but
there's
a
question
of
how
we
use
our
discretion.
A
I
believe
the
density
bonus
law-
I
don't
know
if
you
know
the
history
of
this.
I
think
my
understanding
is
that
it's
based
in
a
fairly
successful
san,
diego
program
that
was
sort
of
piloted
down
in
socal
and
they
it
was
adopted
at
the
state
level,
because
san
diego
was
showing
better
progress
on
producing
affordable
units
compared
to
la
and
san
francisco
and
sacramento
that
that's
sort
of
the
I
don't
know
if
you're
familiar
with
any
of
that
history
or
no.
No,
I
apologize.
A
I
don't
have
a
history
of
it,
but
my
understanding
is
there
were
there
was
evidence
for
this
being
an
effective
way
to
to
help
produce
the
affordable
units
that
I
think
everybody
agrees
with
need.
A
You
know
built
into
the
code
that
you
know
so
developers
have
to
provide
those
units,
so
I
think
that's
also
going
to
incentivize
the
density
vote.
Naturally
incentivized
density
bonuses,
since
they
can
basically,
basically
you
know,
offset
the
cost
or
of
of
those
units.
A
So,
I
think,
probably
the
most
notorious
application
of
the
housing
accountability
act
is
the
saga
that
was
chronicled
in
the
new
york
times
about
the
terraces
of
lafayette,
in
which
the
city
and
developer
had
agreed
to
downscale
a
project.
The
developer
basically
didn't
want
the
headache
and
attempted
to
agree
to
downsize
a
project
that
had
been
proposed
that
met
all
of
the
objective
standards
that
was
within
the
zoning
and
the
housing
accountability
act.
A
Lawsuit
was
brought
on
behalf
of
the
potential
tenants
of
the
project,
not
on
behalf
of
the
developer
that,
even
though
the
developer
wanted
to
make
the
concession,
a
private
law
firm,
can
bring
on
behalf
of
the
future
tenants
they
like.
We
would
like
this
housing
to
exist
because
it
will
make
our
rent
cheaper,
and
so
it's
important
to
remember
that
the
housing
accountability
act
is
not
a
tool
of
developers.
It
is
a
tool
that
the
state
of
california
has
given
to
create
a
right
of
action
on
behalf
of
the
people
of
california.
A
B
Ahead
yeah
mine
is
fairly
simple.
Michael
had
mentioned
the
lifespan
of
the
bill
when
talking
about
sb9,
and
I
didn't
realize
that
there
were
life
bans.
A
On
bills,
I
just
figured
it
was
this
magical
thing
that
lasted
forever,
and
I
was
wondering
if
how
that
relates
to
sb9
and
the
other
bills
yeah,
and
I
I
apologize
for
the
misunderstanding,
so
the
bill
itself
doesn't
doesn't
have
you
know
it
doesn't
sunset.
So
it's
you
know
good
good
until
it's
amended,
but
the
research
that
was
done
by
the
turner
center
was
just
projecting
out
what
they
did
is
they
took.
You
know,
kind
of
all
of
the
entire
state
of
california.
A
You
know
you
know
housing
prices,
construction
prices
and
you
know
and
then
also
kind
of
the
you
know
how
how
many
people
realistically
would
want
to
pursue
something
like
this.
So
the
number
in
the
number
that
was
presented
for
san
bruno
was
was
500
so
that
that
number
just
simply
means
that
you
know
at
the
current
time.
A
You
know
maybe
up
to
500
of
the
8
600
residential
lots.
You
know,
may
pursue
some
type
of
subdivision
or
addition
of
additional
units,
and
you
know
we've
already
seen
you
know
well
over
180
years
so
again,
web
and
adus
are
probably
much
more
attractive
to
the
average
homeowner
than
the
sb9
process.
So
again,
that's
just
you
know.
That
was
just
information
that
was
produced
by
the
the
turner
center.
D
If
you
would
yeah
so
you
know
it's
so
interesting
to
listen
to
all
of
this,
because
you
know
as
a
commissioner
for
a
long
time,
there's
a
way,
a
culture
and
a
training
and
knowledge
we've
received
along
the
way
and
the
planning
commission
institut
institutes
and
going
to
them
and
how
lay
of
land
and
progression
how
all
the
planning
goes
with
it,
and
so
I
can't
help
but
think
about
this.
D
It's
just
a
whole
new
way
of
thinking
and
what
communities
will
look
like
and
so
trying
to
stay
on
a
positive
side
to
think
about.
Okay.
How
can
we
plan
accordingly
and
I'll
just
look
at
this
project
by
project,
but
looking
no
looking
at
this
from
a
bigger
picture
and-
and
and
it
really
I
mean,
there's
a
huge
change
here
and
also
our
demographics.
D
There
was
a
time
I
don't
know
specifically
right
now,
but
it
was
a
time
that
it
was
an
older
population
or
you
know
one
time
it
was
very
family
oriented,
there's
just
different
trends
that
have
happened
over
a
lifetime
and
so
looking
at
this.
What
does
this
do?
Does
it
bring
in
younger
people?
D
Does
this
bring
more
aging
population
what's
going
to
take
place,
and
so
I'd
like
to
think
about
this
to
say:
okay,
it's
a
law,
you
don't
have
a
choice,
so
be
able
to
think
about
it
rather
than
from
a
negative
point
of
view
and
thinking.
Okay,
not
in
my
backyard,
and
I
just
counted
because
I
own
four
commercial
pieces
of
property
on
santa
anna's
and
my
my
school
building,
it's
a
private
school
has
been
there
for
70
years.
D
Oh
actually,
the
school's
been
there
so
many
years,
but
1962,
and
so
I
know
that
community
I
was
there
45
years
living
it
every
day
and
they're
nine
street
that
counted
them
nine
streets
that
have
such
a
huge
mixture
of
apartment
buildings,
a
variety
of
unique
ways
of
living
in
that
space,
and
we
knew
you
accommodated,
but
it
just
it
came
about
along
the
way,
and
I
I
hope
that
as
this
progresses
that
we're
not
going
to
be
doing
this
on
a
on
a
application
by
application,
but
taking
a
look
at
how
do
we
want
to
develop
this?
D
And
we
have
these
long
conversations.
I
mean
they've
been
on
the
commission
31
years
and
long
conversations
about
san
mateo
and
different
things
being
done,
and
yet
we're
not
moving
forward
and
the
way
the
discussions
have
tried
to
try
to
think
about
our
different
communities
within
our
city.
So
it's
it's.
D
You
know
it's
it's
a
huge
deal,
it's
a
huge
deal
to
think
about
this,
and
and
and
we
don't
have
a
choice,
but
we
do
have
a
choice.
How
we
want
to
give
a
big,
a
bigger
picture,
thought
study,
sessions,
figuring
things
out,
and
maybe
that
isn't
a
choice.
I
really
don't
know
that
you
know
this
is
new
to
us,
but
I'd
like
to
think
about
as
they
come
up.
You
know
when
I
look
at
that
slide,
seven
and
slide
nine.
I
mean
they
look.
D
I
can
remember
on
sneeze
lane
when
it
used
to
be
nursery
a
row
of
nursery
nursery
places,
and
it
was
all
just
buildings
where
there
was
a
lot
of
greenery
and
landscaping.
It
was
all
just
nurseries
and
then
there
was
the
at
the
orchid
place
on
el
camino.
I
can't
think
of
a
name
right
now,
but
and
then
we've
got
that
whole
development
there.
D
That
was
done
really
well
for
that
a
number
of
years,
and
so
just
thinking
about
this
because
we're
going
to
have
riled
up
people,
we're
going
to
have
people
coming
to
meetings,
we're
as
commissioners
we're
going
to
be
hearing
a
lot
about,
not
in
my
backyard
kind
of
thing,
and
since
we
don't
have
a
choice,
how
can
we
make
it
so
it
is
we're
walking
forward
moving
forward
as
a
community
to
make
these
things
happen.
You
know
one
of
the
slides
talked
about
affordability.
D
It
talked
about
just
different
ways
of
putting
things
together,
but
when
I
see
those
slides
7-9,
I
grew
up
in
the
mid
in
the
mission.
My
husband
grew
up
in
honors
points,
project
area
and
we
were
across
different
projects.
We
saw
what
happens
when
there's
massive
kinds
of
things.
You
know
it's
a
different
era,
a
different
timing
and
not
at
all
discriminating.
But
I
point
out
the
fact:
masses
of
a
people
create
a
different
energy
and
so
to
be
sure
that
we
have
community
parks
different
things
taking
place.
D
So
it's
bringing
a
community
together
versus
just
plopping.
You
know
to
me
this
look
at
barracks.
You
know
it
looked
like
and
I
know
you
got
these
slides
they're,
not
they're,
not
what's
planned,
but
they
and
also
the
other
thing
that
I
saw
was.
We
have
been
trained
to
look
at
much
more
greenery.
Much
more.
You
know,
percentage
of.
D
You
of
premierable
space
in
all
kinds
of
things
to
make
an
environment
look
much
more
curb
appeal,
attractive,
sustainable
all
those
types
of
things
and
the
other
slides
showed
a
tremendous
amount
of
reduction
in
in
that
greenery
about
landscaping.
D
So
I
I
just
think
that
if
we
start
taking
this
project
one
by
one,
we're
going
to
end
up
with
a
bunch
of
chopped
up
kinds
of
stuff,
and
so
I'd
like
to
be
sure
that
as
a
community,
the
city
of
san
bruno
community,
the
city
with
the
heart
that
we're
really
thinking
about
this
from
a
bigger
picture,
point
of
view,
the
thought
of
of
not
doing
it
with
some
and
our
commission
changes
and
takes
place.
But
I
don't
think
anyone
would
be
a
guest
saying.
D
Let's
look
at
this,
a
livable
place
together
and
it's
huge.
I
think
this
is
a
huge
change
and
a
way
of
living
in
our
community
and
we
are
changing.
Life
is
different
than
it
was.
You
know
I
I'm
old
enough
to
be
able
to
speak
to
those
kinds
of
things,
and
I
can
also
see
that
it'd
be
a
great,
a
great
opportunity
to
create
wonderful
spaces
for
children.
You
when
you
start
having
massive
places
like
this,
you
start
having
what
feels
like
unsafe
conditions
and
then
you're
starting
to
hibernate
in
houses.
D
Surely
you
start
to
change
your
your
your
city,
your
communities,
so
I
think
that
from
a
consciousness
you
know
being
conscious
in
this
process.
I
can't
be
unconscionable
in
doing
and
not
doing
something
without
getting
it.
Some
big
picture
planning.
So
anyway,
that's
what
I
have
to
say-
and
I
I
love
change,
but
I
love
change
with
good
thought,
good
planning
and
so
some
things
I
never
want
to
change,
but
I
think
that
change
is
inevitable
and
we
can't
ever
stop
building
and
changing
a
community
we'll
do
that.
D
We
can't
we
will
stagnate
and
we
will
become
a
town
of
no
growth,
and
you
know
I
know
what
happens
to
chances
of
zero
opportunity
or
people
who
just
really
look
at
no
just
flat.
No
I'm
excited
to
think
about
our
city.
It
it's
exciting
to
think
about
children
and
families,
because
that's
really
really
what
it's
about
children
and
families
become
senior
citizens
at
one
point,
and
anyway,
that's
what
I
have
to
say.
Thank
you
for
listening.
D
A
A
Yes,
you
can
count
them
in
in
the
arena.
So
I
you
know.
As
you
know,
san
bruno
has
a
huge
arena.
Number
of
60
150,
I
believe,
is
the
number
that
we
need
to
show
locations
for
in
the
next
next
housing
element
cycle.
We're
allowed
to
use
an
average
of
the
past
several
years.
So
you
know
so
right
now.
That
average
is
looking
like
about
43
or
40
units,
then
projected
over
an
eight
year
period.
So
you
know
possibly
300.
A
We
can,
you
know,
count
those,
but
you
know
and
we're
good
we'll
be.
You
know
next
year
you
know
after
the
first
the
year,
it's
the
year
of
the
housing
elements
so
you'll
be
getting.
You
know
we'll
be
having
study
sessions
and
other
types
of
meetings
surrounding
the
housing
element
and
its
preparation
and
the
housing
sites,
and
I
think
we
may
try
to
have.
A
I
think
we're
gonna
probably
start
with
the
city
council
at
the
end
of
january,
with
a
with
a
a
study
session
to
kind
of
initiate
the
the
housing
element
process
and
the
housing
element
sites.
So
sorry,
I'm
I'm
I'm
rambling
as
an
answer
to
your
question.
So
the
answer
is
yes,
okay.
A
So
the
next
question
I
have
is
we're
doing
a
lot
of
legislation
here
and
pushing
for
development.
What
can
we
do
to
encourage
people
to
build
these
things?
I
mean
we
can
legislate,
10
000
100
000
units,
but
if
no
one's
inspired
to
build
these
things,
if
it's
not
economically
sensible
for
someone
to
build
they're
not
going
to
build
it.
So
what
can
we
do
to
make
it
easier
for
people
or
more
incentivize
for
people
to
build
these
things?
A
Well,
I
I
think
the
city's
in
the
midst
of
it
is
going
to
be
a
midst
of
a
very
large
building
boom.
Even
I've
only
been
here
a
few
weeks
and
the
number
of
calls
that
I'm
getting
you
know
for
housing
sites
and
development
of
sites
within
the
transit
corridors
plan.
A
You
know
the
things
that
things
are
are
starting
to
to
happen,
and
I
you
know
I
would
say
that
you,
the
community,
has
done,
I
think
the
best
it
can
with
with,
and
I
think
it's
a
very
good
really.
All
that
really
is
needed
is
the
transit
corridor
plan,
because
you
know
developers
look
for
look
for
plans
like
this,
that
that
lay
out
the
locations
for
development
you
know
for
them.
A
So
you
know
a
lot
of
the
new
housing
laws.
You
know
require
that
the
property
be
zoned,
for
you
know,
have
have
the
ability
to
be
zoned
for
or
have
the
ability
to
be
built
for
residential
or
mixed
use
at
densities
that
you
know
make
sense
for
the
developers.
So
I
think
again,
I
think
you're
going
to
be
seeing
you've
opened
the
door
through
the
transit
corridor
plan.
A
A
So
I'm
imagining
myself
standing
behind
the
planning
counter
having
to
answer
questions
from
citizens
about
all
of
this,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
we
can
take
maybe
some
of
tonight's
program,
that's
a
slideshow
or
put
together
a
web
page
of
some
sort
so
that
we
make
it
easier
for
staff
for
them
to
be
able
to
refer
folks
to
the
changes.
A
If
that
makes
sense,
you
know
I'm
just
thinking
about
trying
to
make
things
easier
for
staff.
I
mean,
there's
probably
going
to
be
more
than
one
or
two
people
who
come
to
the
counter
and
want
to
know
why
there's
something
happening
next
door
and
if
you
had
some
get
something
already
created
that
you
could
just
refer
them
to
it
might
save
staff
a
lot
of
time.
A
B
A
Talking
about,
I
think
it
would
be
great
to
also
maybe
get
ahead
and
help
to
educate
people
in
our
community
about
what
these
changes
could.
Potentially.
A
B
I
know
that
the
city
managers-
what
are
these
things
called.
B
D
Thank
you
for
the
chair,
very
quick
since,
since
this
is
going,
you
know,
starting
in
january.
D
We
know
what
the
energy
was
when
the
mills
park
project
was
in
place,
and
there
were
so
so
many
people
that
had
said
they
hadn't
even
heard
about
it,
and
we
had
had
many
community
meetings,
but
we're
going
to
have
that
happen,
but
because,
if
it
is
going
to
go
into
implement
january,
then
it's
a
very
short
time
frame.
D
So
I
think
part
of
it
is
that
talking
points
for
us
would
be
really
useful
if
there's
any
opportunity
to
have
ways
that
we
could
be
speak
from
the
point
of
things
that
are
not
that
are
beyond
our
control,
since
it
is,
it
is
a
it
is
a
law.
So
that
way
we
are
at
least
on
the
same
page,
about
being
able
to
get
the
message
out
there.
D
A
You
got
it
michael.
Maybe
we
could
look
at
making
that
sort
of
information
available
to
all
the
commissioners
so
that,
like
mary
says,
we
feel
when
people
coach
us
and
talk
to
us.
We
have
a
resource
to
direct
them
to
perhaps
yeah.
I
think
we
could
you
know
just
repackage
and
I
you
know
I
apologize.
We
weren't
able
to
give
you
a
staff
report
for
the
for
this
information.
A
We
did
one
for
the
the
city
council,
but
that
only
got
approved
late
friday
afternoon
by
the
city
manager,
so
we
weren't
able
to
tell
to
get
it
to
you,
but
what
we
can
do
is
just
repackage
a
summary
of
you
know
of
these
laws.
For
you
you
know
just
so.
You
know
that
they
how
they
apply.
A
You
know-
and
I
I
did
want
to
mention
too,
that
we
did
if
you
had,
if
you
did
either
participate
in
the
meeting
or
I
believe
it
may
have
been
on
the
in
the
city
manager's
newsletter.
The
city
has
received
that
we
have
received
our
first
sp35
application
for
136
unit
project
at
732
through
740
el
camino.
A
It's
the
vacant
lot
to
the
south
of
the
former
toyota
building,
so
that
you
know
is
a
is
a
as
a
project
that
you
know,
staff
will
be
processing
and
again
it's
it's
not
subject
to
discretionary
approval,
so
we're
currently
reviewing
that
internally,
but
there
are
some
images
on
the
website
for
that
for
that
project.
A
A
But
you
know
the
the
mills
park
project
was
shortly
before
my
time
on
the
commission
and
I
I
really
believe
that
that
was
a
you
know
as
acrimonious
as
it
was
it's
a
better
project
for
the
input
of
the
public
and
the
planning
commission
that
I
I
think
you
know
some
of
the
things
like
the
way
it's
set
down,
to
protect
light
access
on
the
back
side
towards
the
neighborhood.
There's
like
a
lot
of
features
of
it.
That
are
good.
A
And
if
you
compare
what
was
the
the
sb-35
project
that
was
sort
of
held
as
a
threat,
I
mean
my
impression
from
talking
to
people.
Is,
it
was
purely
a
threat
and
they
didn't
actually
want
to
spend
the
money
to
fully
do
all
the
structural
engineering
to
produce
it,
but
that
they
wanted
to
hold
it
over
the
city
to
take
up
their
project
finished.
A
But
because
of
how
that
saga
went.
We're
now
probably
going
to
see
more
mp35
projects,
and
unless
we
can
get
our
act
together
to
produce
a
housing
element
next
year
and
actually
start
building
things
and
meet
our
arena
numbers.
That's
that's
what
we're
gonna
get
we're
gonna
have
featureless
boxes.
Instead
of
you
know,
attractive
step
down,
you
know
carve
in
public
parks.
A
A
By
producing
our
numbers,
that
will
help
to
help
to
keep
us
out
of
the
sb
35
types
of
things.
I'm
sorry
can
you
elaborate
on
that?
Is
this
sb35?
Is
that
when,
when
you're
behind
on
your
numbers
that
kicks
in
yeah
and
so
yeah,
so
the
way
the
way
this
will
probably
play
out
is
that
you
know
we're.
We
are
in
the
you
know,
basically
the
last
year
of
our
current
housing
element
with
with
the
lower
lower
arena
number.
A
So
when
our
the
new
housing
element
with
this,
the
6
000
units,
6100
units
goes
into
effect
in
you
know,
in
2022
we're
going
to
have
you
know:
hcd
housing
and
community
development
is
going
to
be
evaluating
our
progress
towards
meeting
that
number
at
at
some
intervals,
along
the
eight-year
cycle
of
that
next
housing
element.
So
it
may
not
be
until
we're
four
years
into
that
cycle
to
see
if
we've
produced
save.
A
You
know
over
3000
of
those
units
before
you
know
we
made
that
we
may
not,
then
be
you
know.
A
You
know,
subject
to
sp35,
so
you
know
so
that's
you
know
that
you
know
that's
how
it
that's
how
it
may
play
out.
So
it
may
be
a
very
long
time
before
you
know,
before
there's
there's
and
by
then
there
may
be.
You
know
with
the
number
of
housing
law
changes
that
are
occurring
every
year.
A
You
know
it
may
be
a
whole
different
kind
of
environment
at
that
point.
So
it's
hard
it's
hard
to
it's
hard
to
say,
okay,
but
we're
in
sp
35
territory
now,
and
it
may
be
at
least
midway
through
the
next.
B
A
All
right
anyone
else
before
we
move
on
commission
yeah
by
commissioner
harman.
The
mills
park
project
was
before
my
time
on
this
commission.
But
you
know:
what's
stopping
that
developer
from
walking
away?
I
don't
want
to
do
this
anymore,
forming
a
new
llc
coming
back
and
doing
the
massive
original
design.
A
A
You
know
I
heard
everybody's
saying,
but
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
potential
for
you
know
like
just
in
my
neighborhood
in
rollingwood
the
people
start
splitting
their
lots
up.
I
could
see
a
lot
of
people
just
doing
that
selling
and
leaving
and
because
it's
just
not
the
same
neighborhood
and
you
know
it's
not
something
we
really
correct.
It
seems,
but
I
don't
think
it's
to
make
any
people
less
angry
just
because
we
have
some
youtube
video.
Oh
it's
out
of
our
control
or
here
go
look
at
this
on
the
website.
A
There's
nothing
we
can
do.
I
think
it's
it's
just
kind
of
a
blanket
plan.
That
is
a
little
too
in
general
for
my
liking
anyway,
but
sounds
like
we're
stuck
with
it
and
I
can
see
a
lot
of
abuse.
D
Yeah,
you
know
a
number
of
years
ago
on
san
benito
right
behind
my
skulls.
There
are
houses
that
had
split.
There
were
split
houses,
split
owners
of
those
houses
and
for
the
longest
time
the
developer
was
this
jordan
and
he
he
developed
the
two
houses
and
he
and
had
hoped
it
would
just
one
family
would
move
into
them,
couldn't
sell
them,
couldn't
sell
them.
D
So
he
split
them
and
there's
a
couple
of
them
they're
a
split
that
way
and
it's
just
interesting
to
watch
how
they
worked
it
out
and
going
to
australia.
My
children
lived
there
and
going
to
australia,
there's
a
huge
amount
of
that
going
down
a
small
little
pathway
and
there's
houses
there
in
that
area.
If
it's
built
under
those
conditions
for
that
purpose,
it
can
really
work.
But
if
it's,
if
it's
just
someone
decides
just
to
maximize
opportunity,
then
it
creates
it
creates
a
different
environment.
That's
what
I
was
trying
to
say
earlier.
D
I
wasn't
trying
to
when
I
was
saying
that
before
lost
I
own
in
san
bruno
there's
such
a
huge
mix
of
development,
there
are
apartment
buildings,
huge
houses,
lots,
lots
of
apartments
and
a
lot
of
single
dwelling
mixed
right
in
there,
and
so
whether
it's
it's
bet's
news-
I
don't
know,
but
I
think
this
is
a
time
that
this
is
important.
Just
as
commissioner
madden
was
saying
it
will
you
know
some
of
these
home
places
have
larger
lots
and
to
start
breaking
them
up
into
two.
D
It
starts
to
change
things,
so
I
look
forward
to
thinking
about
this
in
a
bigger
in
a
bigger
way.
Thank
you.
A
A
I
haven't,
I
don't
know
what
I
want
to
say,
but
it's
like.
I
hope
that
we
continue
to
do
the
kind
of
work
that
we've
done
up
to
now
and
I
don't
want
to
see
anyone
get
disheartened
and
walk
away
from
the
commission
because
we're
all
talented
people,
we've
all
been
locked
at
the
table,
and
I
appreciate
I
appreciate
everybody,
even
though
I
see
changes
coming
with
this
new
law.
So
thank
you
all
for
being
here
and
being
part
of
this.
A
Okay,
we
have
commissioner
johnson's
volunteering
for
that
I'll.
Do
it
and
chair
assadi,
okay
and
someone
else
another?
Was
it
november
11th
or
18th
november
18th
yeah,
it's
a
special
meeting
right.
A
Do
you
know
topic?
Yes,
there's
a
we'll
be
reviewing
a
a
small
property
on
el
camino,
real,
I'm
available.
You
know.
A
And
I
did
check
yeah,
I
did
check
the
maps
and
no
one
has
a
conflict
so
yeah,
so
we've
got,
we've
got
the
chair
vice
chair
and
commissioner
johnson
for
that
meeting.
So
so
now
we
would
need
we.
We
not
sure
I
imagine
we
will
have
items
for
the
december
arc
meeting.
So
if
I
can
get
three
three
volunteers
for
that,
okay
so
same
two.
B
What's
the
date
for
that
meeting,
it's
december
16th,
that's
a
december
16th.
A
A
A
Michael,
are
you
seeing
anyone
on
your
side
there?
No,
no
okay,
then
we'll
move
on
to
item
eight
items
from
members
and
subcommittee
reports.
Anyone
headed
for
us
this
evening.