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C
A
And
I
just
got
the
green
light
from
miriam.
She
says
we're
now
live,
so
we
can
start
the
presentation
whenever
you
guys
are
ready.
D
D
A
And
then
in
attendance
we
have
the
following
presenter,
so
daniel.
A
Hey
michael,
should
I
make
mike
a
panelist
before
your
presentation
or
after
brandon.
B
A
D
Here,
commissioner
levin
here,
commissioner
johnson-
not
here
commissioner
derozzo
here
great
vice
chair
harmon
here
in
charity,
sunny
here.
A
Okay,
thank
you
good
evening
and
welcome
to
the
november
16th
planning
commission
meeting
for
all
of
you
at
home
attending
virtually
thank
you
for
joining
us.
Please
know
note
we
want
to
hear
from
you
if
you
are
in
the
audience
and
would
like
to
address
the
commission
during
the
public
comments
section
of
the
agenda.
There
are
two
options.
A
First,
for
those
of
you
on
soon,
please
use
the
raise
your
hand
button
and
for
those
calling
in
please
use
star
9.,
please
note
you
can
only
speak
once
per
agenda
item
and
since
we've
done
all
call,
let's
do
the
pledge
of
allegiance
and
commissioner
de
raza,
which
should
be
so
kind
to
lead
us
in
the
legible,
leads
absolutely.
A
A
A
Okay,
so
we'll
move
on
to
the
first
item
of
business
tonight,
which
is
the
approval
of
minutes
minutes
for
october
19
2021..
Do
we
have
a
motion
or
comments.
F
A
D
A
Minutes
are
approved
item
two
public
comments
for
items
not
on
the
agenda
once
again
for
the
folks
at
home.
If
you'd
like
to
speak
to
the
commission
about
something
that
is
not
on
the
agenda
this
evening,
you
can
use
your
zoom
or
star9
on
your
phone
and
ernest.
Is
there
anyone
out
there
looking
to
speak
to
us.
B
Yes,
it
looks
like
mr
hamilton.
A
Mr
hamilton,
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
allow
you
to
speak.
You
have
a
total
of
three
minutes.
The
timer
will
be
displayed
shortly.
G
Hi
I
just
wanted
it's
been.
It's
been
a
little
bit
since
I've
attended
one
of
your
one
of
your
meetings,
and
I
just
want
to
express,
on
behalf
of
the
of
the
council
and
especially
behalf
of
of
me,
my
appreciation
for
the
hard
work,
that's
being
and
the
great
work
that's
being
done
by
commission.
There's
been
a
lot
of
landmark
things
coming
across
your
across
your
desk
over
the
past
several
months
and
you
guys
have
been
just
doing
an
awesome
job.
C
A
There's
actually
not
sure,
obviously,
okay,
then
we'll
move
on
to
announcements,
item
three
announcements,
conflict
interest,
anyone
conflicted
and
seen
no
okay.
We
have
none,
then
we'll
move
on
to
item
four,
which
is
public
hearings
and
4a
is
2230
fleetwood
drive.
It's
a
request
for
an
architectural
review
permit
to
allow
a
residential
addition
that
would
increase
the
overall
floor
area
ratio
of
a
single
family
residence
by
more
than
1
000
square
feet.
Staff
report.
Please.
C
C
C
C
The
existing
single-family
home,
that
is
on
the
site
today,
is
2260
square
feet
of
gross
floor
area
with
an
far
of
0.41
and
a
lot
coverage
of
21
percent.
The
existing
home
does
currently
have
three
bedrooms
and
two
bathrooms,
and
there
is
currently
an
active
adu
permit
in
process
for
this
home
to
add
a
750
foot
adu.
C
The
final
proposed
home
would
have
four
bedrooms
and
three
bathrooms,
and
it
would
include
a
new
or
a
remodeled,
open
concept,
kitchen
family
room,
dining
area
on
the
top
floor,
as
well
as
a
new
foyer
entry
area.
C
Some
additional
information
about
this
product,
the
youth
permit
for
this
project,
is
for
having
second
story,
transparent
windows
when
adjacent
to
a
side
yard
of
greater
than
10
feet.
This,
as
some
of
us
spoke
about
at
the
arc
meeting
for
this
project,
you
know,
is
to
protect
the
privacy
of
neighboring
properties.
C
However,
this
neighborhood
is
predominantly
built
with
homes
that
are
have
side
yards
on
one
side
of
20
feet
or
greater,
with
the
main
house
being
skewed
more
to
the
other
side,
and
almost
every
home
in
this
neighborhood
does
have
windows
that
overlook
these
extra
large
side
yards.
So
it
is
a
common
aspect
in
the
neighborhood.
C
However,
it
is
required
by
the
code
that
you
get
a
use
permit
for
this.
In
addition,
there
is
an
active
adu
conversion
of
this
home,
which
would
convert
the
lower
story,
including
the
garage
so
with
the
active
adu
permit,
that's
already
in
process.
It
does
make
the
home
legal
non-conforming
with
parking.
C
In
addition,
this
project
meets
all
residential
design
guidelines,
including
the
daylight
plane,
which
is
met
and
on
one
side,
and
it
does
maintain
the
existing
look
and
style
of
the
present
home,
as
well
as
the
neighborhood.
C
So,
in
conclusion,
staff
does
recommend
that
the
planning
commission
does
approve
this
use.
Permit
and
architectural
review
permit,
based
on
the
findings
and
conditions
of
approval
in
the
staff
report,
and
that
concludes
the
presentation
for
this
project.
A
Thank
you,
brandon
there
we
go.
Are
there
any
questions
for
staff?
A
C
That
is
correct
and
I'm
sorry
I
meant
to
point
that
out
as
an
error.
Earlier,
that's
okay.
A
Any
other
questions
for
staff:
okay,
let's
open
it
up
to
public
comment
and
if
the
applicant
is
here
we'd
love
to
hear
from.
C
The
applicant
is
present
today,
if
ernest.
If
you
could
let
in
miss
you
a
min
chung.
H
Yeah,
can
you
hear
me
hello.
H
Good
okay,
so
I
can
give
you
some
design
background
and
intent
that
we
did
for
the
project.
H
The
existing
houses
brandon
mentioned,
has
three
bedroom
and
two
baths
and
the
each
bedroom
are
pretty
small
and
the
living
dining
area
is
a
long
narrow
space
separated
from
the
kitchen
at
the
back
of
the
house
by
a
stair
enclosure
walls,
and
so
the
each
space
is
kind
of
narrow
and
they
open
to
each
other.
So
much.
H
H
So
in
at
the
lower
level
basement
level,
we
also
convert
the
garage
to
a
two
bedroom
adu.
H
So
the
entry
to
a
house
is
not
is,
can
be
improved,
with
a
transitional,
four-year
that
also
providing
a
guest
closet
instead
entering
a
house
bluntly
into
a
narrow
living
room.
H
H
The
applicant
is
not
able
to
come
tonight,
so
he
he
he
say,
he's
working
at
a
remote
area.
It's
hard
to.
A
That's
that's
fine.
I
thought
that
question
was
more
for
the
the
commission
to
ask
you
any
questions.
A
Anyone
I
don't
see
any
hands.
Okay,
then
we'll
move
on
to
public
comment.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
public
wishing
to
take
up
on
this
item,
not
at
the
moment
chair
all
right?
D
D
Would
you
be
happy
yes,
commissioner:
morgan
aye,
commissioner
madden
aye,
mr
levin
hi,
commissioner
hi
feister
harman
I
and
chair
b,
asadi
bye,.
A
E
Chair
please,
I
know
that
the
volunteers
for
the
architectural
review
committee
discuss
the
windows
on
the.
I
believe
it's
the
well,
the
large
elevation.
I
believe
it
was,
I
think
it's
east
facing.
I
don't
have
the
plans
in
front
of.
E
Okay,
so
then
it
would
be
the
north
elevation
okay
facing
the
neighbors.
I
know
there
was
some
discussion
about
the
window
placement
and
I
was
just
curious
how
that
discussion
went
during
the
arc
review.
B
For
my
recollection,
they
had
a
number
of
existing
windows
already
on
that
size
that
were
smaller
and
now
they're
being
converted
to,
I
think,
bedroom
windows
with
an
egress
and
because
of
the
elevation
difference
between
the
neighbor
and
the
and
this
house,
with
this
house
being
lower
than
the
neighbor.
I
don't
think
we
had
any
concerns
about
privacy
from
the
lower
house
up
to
the
existing
uphill
house.
That's
my
recollection.
F
A
D
A
All
right
all
right,
so
the
motion
is
approved
and
there's
a
10-day
appeal
period
for
that.
So
with
that
we'll
move
on
to
item
b,
which
17-23
hickory
avenue
and
its
request
for
a
use
permit
to
allow
a
residential
addition
that
would
exceed
the
existing
floor
area
ratio
by
more
than
50
may
we
have
a
staff
report.
Please.
C
Good
evening
again,
as
mentioned,
this
is
a
request
for
a
used
permit
at
1723
hickory
avenue
to
exceed
the
existing
floor
area
by
more
than
50
percent.
I
must
point
out:
first,
there
are
two
errors
in
the
staff
report.
C
The
first
is
that
the
arc
discussion
section
was
not
properly
updated,
so
there
was
a
arc
discussion
on
this
project
about
the
height
and
view
of
a
the
view
of
a
neighbors,
and
the
final
error
is
that
the
final
condition
about
fire
sprinklers
was
included
in
error
so
for
the
fire
marshal.
This
project
does
not
require
fire
sprinklers,
so
this
site
is
located
on
hickory
avenue
between
cedar
and
cherry
avenues
in
the
mills
park,
3
subdivision
on
a
5,
000
square
foot.
C
C
C
The
final
home
would
include
four
bedrooms
and
three
bathrooms
with
an
open
concept:
kitchen
and
family
room
area.
C
The
plan
sets
here
show
the
new
proposed
second
floor
on
the
right-hand
side,
with
a
new
master
bedroom
and
then
on
the
left.
The
proposed
lower
floor
with
the
expanded,
dining
room,
kitchen,
family,
room
and
stairway.
F
Carlos
I
was
looking
at
the
section
on
the
increase
in
the
impervious
surface,
and
I
was
wondering
it
is
a
fairly
substantial
increase
in
terms
of
the
percentage.
Although
it
looked
like
at
least
some
of
that
was
semi-pervious,
that
it
was
sort
of
paver
type
materials
where
they're
at
least
cracks
is
that.
C
Yes,
I
do
believe
that
with
the
project
they're
proposing
like
a
more
expansive
rear
yard
like
area
patio
area,
but
it
does
still
fall
well
under
the
80
requirement
of
impervious
surface.
A
All
right,
then,
we'll
go
ahead
and
we'll
open
up
public
comment
is
the
applicant.
D
Great,
my
name
is
daniel
faff,
I'm
the
homeowner
yeah
to
introduce
the
project.
Basically,
my
wife
and
I
have
been
living
in
our
house,
for
I
think
a
little
over
three
years
now
and
we
have
a
two-year-old.
C
D
Add
basically
to
a
two-story
addition
off
the
back
of
the
house,
while
trying
to
impact
the
backyard
as
little
as
possible,
since
we
want
to
maintain
as
much
of
it
as
we
can
for
our
one
toddler
and
hopefully
more
soon
and
basically
we're
looking
to
add
a
master
bedroom
suite
in
the
upstairs
portion
of
the
edition
and
move
our
kitchen
to
the
new
portion
of
the
addition
in
the
lower
story.
D
And
our
current
kitchen
would
convert
to
a
a
bedroom.
And
that
would
take
our
total
to
four
bedrooms
and
three
bathrooms
for
the
house
and
we're
looking
to
convert
our
covered
porch
to
basically
a
closed
in
porch
and
move
our
front
door.
A
I
guess
to
the
front
of
the
porch,
so
we
can
treat
it
as
more
of
a
mudroom
and
that's
yeah.
That's
basically
the
the
proposal,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
I
can
or
or
dina
our
designer.
Our
architects
can
answer
any
other
ones
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much.
Are
there
any
questions
for
the
applicant
or
the
architect.
A
No
okay,
I
guess
there's
not.
Is
anyone
in
the
public
ready
to
speak
to
us.
A
Okay,
may
we
once
again
get
a
motion
to
close
public
comments.
I
will
move
that
we
close
public
comment.
Do
we
have
a
second
a
second?
I
have
a
motion
in
a
second
to
close
public
comment.
Michael,
would
you
assist.
D
A
Hey
we've
closed
public
comment.
Is
there
any
conversation
for
comments,
we'll
move
it
back
to
the
commission
motions
discussion.
F
D
Michael
once
again,
would
you
be
so
kind
to
do
a
roll
call
vote
for
us?
Please,
certainly
chairman
morgan,
all
right.
D
C
Yes
and
good
evening
again
everybody
so
we
are
bringing
before
you
tonight
as
the
third
item,
a
proposed
amendment
to
the
temporary
use,
permit
section
of
our
zoning
code
relating
to
off-site
construction
staging
areas
and
for
next
slide
and
for
tonight's
presentation.
We'll
give
you
a
little
bit
of
a
background.
C
We'll
conclude
with
a
recommendation
for
this
ordinance
amendment
and
so
a
little
bit
of
background.
There
has
been
various
concerns
throughout
the
city
raised
at
the
public
and
city
council
level
about
how
construction
areas
are
looking
throughout
the
city
there's
been
some
concern
that
some
of
these
are
unsightly
and
not
well
maintained.
C
So
there
are
various
ways
in
which
construction
staging
is
addressed
in
the
city
of
san
bruno
and
I
think
mike
will
be
going
over
some
of
these.
In
a
few,
however,
the
one
that
is
in
the
spotlight
tonight
is
the
planning
commission
review
of
temporary
use
permits
for
offset
construction
staging
areas.
C
So
he's
going
to
be
going
over
some
of
the
various
requirements
for
construction
stating
staging
sites
and
how
this
change,
as
well
as
some
other
proposed
standards,
will
help
for
a
more
consistent
application,
monitoring
and
enforcement
of
these
construction
staging
areas
across
the
city
and
so
without
further
ado.
I
would
like
to
introduce
our
city
consultant
mike
mccalden
and
he's
gonna
take
over
for
me
mike.
G
Good
evening,
commissioners,
my
name
is
mike
mccalvin,
I'm
a
former
public
works
director
here
in
the
bay
area.
Who's
now
doing
some
consulting
work
on
the
side,
and
I
was
I've
been
helping
out
the
city
during
the
transition.
You
know
after
jimmy
kwon,
the
former
public
works
director
left.
You
know
I've
been
providing
assistance
on
a
on
as
needed
basis,
and
so
this
was
one
of
the
projects
assigned
to
me
was
to
to
revisit
this
issue
and
to
see
what
the
city
could
do
differently.
G
So
the
you
know
objective
project.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
really,
the
goal
is
to
minimize
the
visual
impact
of
construction
projects
on
communities
and
although
the
primary
focus
initially
was
just
on
staging
areas
which
offside
staging
areas,
we
decided
to
broaden
the
scope
to
include
you
know
the
construction
areas
themselves,
because
why
limited
to
just
outside
staging
areas
when
we
can,
maybe
you
know,
create
and
and
improve
the
standards
for
the
construction
sites
and
on-site
staging
and
outside
staging
and
storage
areas
too.
G
So
the
goal
to
was
to
strengthen
and
standardize
the
city's
standards
for
fencing
and
screening
of
construction
sites,
as
well
as
off-site
stores
and
staging
areas,
and
also
part.
It
was
to
institute
a
timely
and
efficient
process
for
the
review,
approval
and
oversight
of
construction
sites.
Staging
area,
fencing
and
screening.
G
So
to
look
at
current
regulations,
the
city,
current
regulated
construction
sites
and
offsite
staging
areas
through
several
magnets.
G
The
first
is
it's
a
city
project
by
the
city.
The
public
works
department.
You
know,
writes
specifications
develops
plans,
for
you
know
each
of
the
capital
projects
that
are
instituted.
So
that's
typically,
where
any
kind
of
provision
for
construction
area,
fencing,
screening
and
storage
screening
would
be
put
into
place
for
projects
that
are
in
the
city
right
away.
Again,
that
would
be
the
public
works
department.
G
They
would
should
encroach
from
permits
and
then
commercial
permits
have
standardized
conditions
of
approval,
and
then
you
know,
depending
on
the
project,
there
may
be
some
project,
specific
conditions
that
could
be
applied,
and
then
you
know
more
in
kind
of
under
your
purview,
the
planning
department
and
the
community
development
department.
You
know,
has
conditions
of
approval.
You
know
anytime,
a
project
going
through
a
planning
or
an
entitlement
process
where
just
like
you've
done
on
the
two
projects
that
were
just
discussed
at
this
meeting.
G
You
know,
staff
and,
and
the
commission
have
the
opportunity
to
add
or
amend
conditions
of
approval
and
then,
lastly,
their
building
permit
process
so
pretty
much
any
construction
that
happens
in
the
city
if
it's
not
happening
through,
if
it
doesn't
require
zoning
or
planning
approval,
if
it
doesn't,
if
it's
not
an
engineering
project-
and
this
isn't
in
the
right
way,
then
it
may
simply
get
a
building
permit
and
every
building
project
you
know
has
that
the
issue
building
permit
has
standard
permit
conditions
which
again
can
be
modified
or
strengthened
depending
on
the
size
and
scope
of
the
project
and
something
that's
pretty
unique
to
san
bruno.
G
G
In
reviewing
the
construction
site
standards,
one
of
the
things
that
we
found
is
that
the
city
does
not
have
consistent
and
detailed
standards
for
staging
area
and
construction,
temporary,
fencing
and
screening.
G
These
standards
are
vary
depending
on
the
department,
so
the
public
works
language
for
fencing
or
screening
or
site
housekeeping
you
know
could
be
different
than
what
the
building
part
does
versus.
You
know
the
planning
department,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
first
things
that
we
looked
at
is-
is
to
come
up
with
standards
that
could
be
used
by
all
the
departments
for
projects.
G
Part
of
that
search
was
to
do
an
internet
search
and
to
reach
out
to
neighboring
cities.
So
in
a
search
you
can
call
it
a
global
search
right
because
pretty
much
you
pull
up
anything
that
you
can
find
for
any
kind
of
jurisdiction
that
had
standards
for
for
fencing
and
training.
G
And
then
we
talked
to
some
northern
san
mateo
county
cities
such
as
burlingame,
south
san
francisco
and
others
to
get
a
sense
of
what
you
know
what
they
did
in
terms
of
regulating
and
or
providing
construction
storage
areas,
and
also
to
obtain
ultimately
obtain
model.
Language
number
two
that
we
could
possibly
use
here
at
san
belino.
G
One
is
that
many
cities,
especially
a
lot
of
your
local
neighbors
like
burlingame
and
there's
at
least
one
or
two
more,
but
romanian
stands
out
right
now,
but
they
they
actually
have
their
own
staging
areas
and
they
identify
them
prior
to
projects
and
sort
of
offer
them
to
the
contractors
prior
projects
even
going
to
bid.
G
So
in
the
case
of
burlingame
they're
able
to
it's
kind
of
a
it's
by
the
shore,
it's
kind
of
an
off-site
area
out
of
the
way
so
from
the
standpoint
of
it's
out
of
the
public
eye.
So
it's
kind
of
a
convenient
location,
but
not
all
municipalities
have
that
they
don't
have
access
to
a
city
on
site.
That's
out
of
the
way
that
would
that
kind
of
is,
is
a
neat
way
of
providing
outside
storage
for
contractors
that
you
know
doesn't
pose.
G
Any
kind
of
you
know
public
nuisance,
but
you
know
quite
a
few
cities
do,
and
so
that's
something
that
unfortunately
right
now
san
bruno
does
have
a
great
location.
G
But
our
search
did
not
find
really
any
standard
for
off-site
staging
yards,
but
it's
very
easy
to
blow
the
standards
from
from
the
construction
site
for
fencing
and
screening.
So
that's
what
we
do.
G
I'm
sorry
my
screen
just
disappeared
here
here
we
go
sorry
about
that.
So
the
city's
requirements
that
san
bruno's
requirements
for
tampering
with
permit
to
via
the
planning
commission
is
very
unusual.
It's
not
something
that
I
was
able
to
find
at
any
other
municipality
and
because
of
process.
You
know,
there's
some
potential
for
increasing
project
costs,
it's
not
sort
of
the
best
use
of
staff
time
and
it
can
be
impractical
for
many
projects.
Because
of
the
timing,
you
know
a
contractor
would
get
a
notice
to
proceed
within
30
days
and
those
30
days.
G
They've
got
to
pretty
much
be
ready
to
go,
whereas
going
through
the
planning
classes
can
take
60
to
90
days,
and
so
you
know
for
a
lot
of
projects,
especially
smaller
ones.
It
imposes
quite
a
financial
burden
and
in
some
cases
the
project
might
even
be
done
before
through
the
planning
process
for
an
outside
staging.
So
there
are
some
practical
difficulties
with
the
city's
current.
G
G
So
next
we're
going
to
go
over
some
of
the
the
proposed
standards
and
and
how
they're
going
to
be
enforced
so
we'll
we'll
run
it
through
in
an
order
in
terms
of
the
type
of
project.
G
It
is
so
first
there's
projects
in
the
public
lattice,
so
there's
a
recent
project
that
was
completed
where
there
was
storage
of
sewer
and
water
pipes,
for
I
think
it
ended
up
being
for
almost
a
year,
and
so
that
became
kind
of
a
nuisance
for
the
neighborhood,
because
the
location
was
out
on
the
street
and
it
had
been
there
for
a
long
period
of
time
and
the
materials
really
never
moved.
So
in
order
to
address
the
concerns
of
those
types
of
projects
were
proposing.
G
The
following
standardized
language-
and
these
are
what
I'm
going
to
show
you
tonight-
is
just
kind
of
the
highlights
of
the
standard.
The
specific
language
that
we're
proposing
is
attached
to
that
gemini.
So
the
key
aspects
of
storage
in
public
right
away
would
be
to
limit
the
storage
to
five
work
days
and
move
the
staging
as
progressive.
G
So,
in
other
words,
you
know
whatever
you
bring
on
site
on
monday
has
to
be
moved
by
five
and
so
there'll
be
no
storage
over
the
weekend
and
then
debris
and
loose
material
will
have
to
be
cleaned
up
at
the
end
of
each
work
day.
Of
course,
at
the
end
of
the
week,
and
so
the
net
effect
is
that
the
material
won't
be
sitting
in
front
of
somebody's
house,
or
you
know,
on
the
same
portion
of
the
street
for
weeks
or
months
on
end
ideas
that
you
bring
enough
material
on
site.
G
So
to
speak
up
to
do
the
work
you
need
in
that
work
week
clean
it
up,
get
it
out
for
the
weekend,
and
then
you
know,
assuming
that
let's
say
this
would
be
mostly
things
like
pipeline
projects
and
sewer
water.
Then
you
know
this
time.
Next
week,
you'll,
probably
move
down
to
the
next
block
or
two
blocks
over
your
staging
area
will
be
in
that
area
for
the
next
week,
which
again
would
be
removed
at
the
end
of
the
week
and
then
brought
back
on
the
following
monday.
G
So
the
idea
there
is
to
take
care
of
the
concern
about
storage
in
the
public
right
of
way
in
one
location,
to
keep
those
sites
moving
and
to
not
store
stuff
over
the
weekend
or
it'll,
be
an
eyesore
all
weekend
for
products
on
in
the
public
or
on
fall.
Sorry
on
public
or
private
property.
G
The
construction
site
and
staging
areas
would
be
secured
by
chain-link
fence
with
bottom
and
top
rail.
So
currently
the
city
doesn't
have
a
standard
touch
about
the
of
the
top
and
bottom
rail,
but
those
are
critical
because
then
one
of
the
next
requirements
is
is
that
if
it's
adjacent
to
a
public
lot
of
way,
defense
must
have
screening
that
is
maintained
in
a
taut
condition,
with
no
red
for
tears,
greater
than
two
inches,
and
so
without
a
top
and
bottom
rail.
G
G
It
was.
It
was
a
site
there
and
there
was
no
top
rail
bottom
rail,
so
the
fabric
was
kind
of
hanging
loosely
off
the
fence.
It
just
didn't
look
very
attractive,
so
that
requirement
alone
will
will
keep
it
looking
better
and
then
any
pull
the
rip
screening
would
have
to
be
replaced
within
48
hours
and
then
an
additional
requirement.
G
What
we
came
up
with
was
the
fence
have
to
be
set
back
two
feet
from
the
sidewalk
but
possible,
and
the
idea
there
is
not
to
make
the
fence
where
it's
like,
squeezing
people
out
into
the
street
potentially.
But
if
there's
room
on
the
site
to
give
people
more
kind
of
shoulder
room
to
walk
down
the
sidewalk
and
then
all
airs
visible
from
the
public
right
away
to
be
maintained,
free
of
weeds
and
litter.
So
that
would
be
something
that
would
have
to
be.
G
You
know
enforced
by
either
public
works
or
building
inspectors
to
make
sure
that
the
site
is
kept
clean
at
all
times,
and
the
next
slide
is
is
just
kind
of
a
stock
photo
of
what
a
fence
was
top
and
bottom
rail
kind
of
a
taut
green
part
would
look
like.
So
that's
what
you
should
expect
to
see.
You
know
in
the
public
right
of
way,
as
opposed
to
something
that's
torn
and
sag
and
slapping
in
the
wind.
That
would
be
the
standard
expectation
for
any
kind
of
screening
and
fencing.
G
So
kind
of
the
last,
the
last
kind
of
condition
that
we
also
added
is
for
construction
sites
on
public
or
private
property,
and
the
difference
here
is
that
this
is
limited
to
construction
sites.
G
They
wouldn't
be
for
offside
staging
areas
so
for
any
construction
site
where
you
have
fencing
up
facing
the
public
roadway,
the
standard
would
be
to
include
a
sign
that
provides
the
name,
the
emergency
contact
information
for
the
general
contractor,
and
then
we
provide
some
standards
for
how
big
the
lettering
should
be,
that
it
should
be
legible
from
10
feet
away
and
then
that
the
sign
shall
not
extend
beyond
the
top
of
the
fence.
It
shouldn't
look
like
a
billboard.
G
It
should
be
something
that's
that's
within
the
kind
of
the
background
of
defense
and
then
the
sign
language
and
any
kind
of
graphics
to
go.
If
that
would
have
to
be
approved
by
city
staff
and
as
you
can
imagine,
the
key
to
anything
like
this
is
anytime
you
bring
in
new
standards
or
have
even
existing
standards.
G
The
key
to
doing
anything
is
to
make
sure
that
staff
is
trained
on
the
standards
and
enforces
the
standards,
so
part
of
this
strategy
would
make
sure
that
all
engineering,
planning,
building
and
code
enforcement
staff
are
trained
to
these
new
standards,
understand
what
they
mean
and
understand
that
the
city
you
know
at
the
city,
council,
the
city
manager
and
the
commission
have
a
kind
of
renewed
emphasis
on
making
sure
that
project
areas
are
kept
clean,
look
good
to
make
sure
that
the
sites
are
not
allowed
to
kind
of
deteriorate
or
sensing.
G
The
screenings
falling
apart
and
there's
weeds
and
litter
going
everywhere.
So
that's
that'll,
be
part
of
the
training
and
kind
of
the
last
step
in
the
process.
Is
the
staff
has
been
currently
doing
this,
but
we'll
continue
to
search
for
further
staging
areas
that
could
be
made
available
to
both
contractors
working
for
the
city
or
for
private
developers?
G
If
the
city
can,
you
know,
find
a
site,
that's
more
out
of
the
way
where
there
just
won't
be
the
public
issues
with
you
know:
visibility,
noise
or
any
other
of
the
potential
concerns
with
the
staging
areas.
C
So
in
conclusion,
staff
is
recommending
that
planning
commission
would
adopt
a
resolution
recommending
the
city
council
adopt
the
zoning
ordinance
amendment
to
revise
section
12.84.030.
C
Of
the
municipal
code
to
remove
all
references
to
off-site
construction
aging
areas
and
with
this
recommendation,
these
construction
staging
standards
that
were
described
by
mr
picaldon
will
be
administratively
applied
to
all
projects
and
new
projects
reviewed
by
staff,
and
the
planning
commission
will
include
these
conditions
that
require
all
construction
staking
areas
follow
these
standards
and
staff
would
also
be
trained
to
consistently
apply
them
across
the
board.
All
construction
areas.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
brandon
at
this
point.
I
guess
we
should
open
it
up
to
the
public,
since
there
is
no
applicant
to
city.
That's
us.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
public
who
would
like
to
address
the
cushion
at
this.
B
Time
ernest
there
is
no
one
in
the
public
chair.
A
Okay,
can
we
get
a
motion
to
close
the
public
hearing.
A
A
And
that
was
an
eye
for
me
as
well.
Okay,
all
right.
Let's
bring
back
to
the
commission
for
questions
conversations
or
someone
want
to
make
a
motion
for
a
resolution.
D
G
I
can
address
that,
so
that's
something
that
we
currently
know,
but
the
thought
was
that
any
kind
of
screening
would
have
to
be
properly
anchored
to
address
the
kind
of
the
wind
issue
right
because
putting
one
or
two
small
holes,
you
know,
doesn't
necessarily
prevent
them
getting
moved
or
blown
over.
So
the
idea
was
that
they'd
be
happy
properly
anchored
with
concrete
blocks
or
whatever
else,
to
keep
them
from
moving
or
tilting
over.
E
Thanks
a
question
about
kind
of
the,
how
can
I
say
this?
I
guess
the
scale
or
at
what
point
would
these
requirements
apply
to
a
job?
I
guess
the
situation
that
I'm
rolling
through
in
my
mind
is,
for
example,
we
had
a
house
down
the
street
and
they
were
doing
papers.
E
They
were
doing
a
paper
driveway
and
their
papers
sat
on
the
curb,
for
I
don't
know
a
couple
of
weeks
and
that
didn't
seem
like
a
terrible
ask,
but
it
would
go
outside
of
that
five-day
requirement
and
I
think,
in
the
end,
if,
if
they
hadn't
been
allowed
to
store
those
papers
for
a
couple
of
weeks
out
on
the
like
in
a
parking
spot,
they
would
have
incurred
multiple
delivery
fees
and
that
kind
of
does
end
up
falling
into
the
lap
of
the
homeowners.
E
And
so
I
just
didn't
know
like
what
size
project
this
would
end
up
affecting.
I
understand
if
it's
a
large
development
and
it's
completely
unacceptable
to
have
large
sewer
pipes
resting
in
valuable
looking
places
for
you
know
a
year
plus,
but
I
was
just
just
curious
kind
of
when
this
kicks
in
and
what
kind
of
flexibility
there
is
for
homeowners.
D
You
want
mike,
do
you
want
me
to
take
that
one
so
sophia
sophia,
when
people
have
the
papers
done
or
they're
doing,
other
front
yard
work?
Sometimes
you
know
pavers
are
delivered
and
stored
in
the
right-of-way
without
the
city,
knowing
it.
So
if.
D
But
ideally
the
the
homeowner
or
their
contractor
should
be
obtaining
an
encroachment
permit
from
the
city
for,
if
they're
blocking
any
portion
of
the
street
or
site
they
can't
well,
they
can't
block
the
sidewalk,
but
if
they're
taking
up
a
parking
space
and
then
that
would
be
regulated
through
the
encroachment
permit
process
as
mike
was
talking
about.
That
would
be
one
of
the
you
know
the.
When
the
encroachment
permits
issued
there
would
be
a
standard.
D
G
Yeah-
and
I,
if
I
can
add,
I
mean
one
of
the
things
that
we
did-
is
that
one
of
the
questions
is
this
going
to
be
codified
right
in
the
muny
code
or
the
zoning
code,
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we're
not
recommending
changing
the
you
know
or
adding
this
specific
language.
In
other
words,
we
want
to
go
to
flex,
like
you
say,
because
a
we
may
find
out
a
year
or
two
in
that
one
of
the
requirements
doesn't
make
sense,
so
it
doesn't
work.
G
So,
instead
of
having
to
go
back
and
go
through
a
lucky
process
of
amending
the
zoning
code,
you
know
the
change
can
just
be
made
administratively
and
and
because
it's
an
admitted
process
there
is
some
discretion
allowed
right,
because
you
know
there's
always
saying
well
yeah,
it's
generally
a
weak,
but
you
know
in
this
particular
case,
because
you
know
it
is
a
homeowner,
it's
a
residential
street.
You
know
they
may
need
you
know
an
extra
week.
G
I
mean
that's
something
that
could
probably
be
granted,
but
I
think
the
idea
for
like
a
public
works
project,
we
just
don't
want
a
contractor,
just
feeling
comfortable,
just
plopping
stuff
down
in
the
street
and
leaving
it
there
for
weeks
on
end.
So
I
think
that's
really.
The
main
goal
is
to
remove
all
discretion
and
flexibility,
but
to
set
you
know,
kind
of
a
standard
work.
You
know,
hopefully
nine
percent
of
the
time
that
will
be
the
standard,
but
then
you
know
where
it
just
doesn't
make
sense.
A
Thank
you.
Secondly,
I
see
commissioner
harmon
has
his.
F
Hand
raised-
and
I
apologize
my
my
internet
is
really
it's
I'm
having
issues.
So
if
I
break
up,
I
I'm
hoping
that
this
discretion
can
also
somewhat
take
care
of
the
concern
that
commissioner
morgan
had
raised,
because
I
know
definitely
you
get
those
evening
breezes
here
that
just
whip
through,
I
think
for
some
corridors.
F
F
Bring
to
bear-
and
so
I
wanted
to
understand
how
any
of
these
changes
would
interact
with
our
sort
of
noticing
of
these
things
I
mean
it's,
it
sounds
like
you
know.
We
used
to
do
like
a
separate
temporary
use
permit
for
the
construction
staging
area,
and
now
this
will
just
be
rolled
in
with.
F
Yeah,
that's
I'll.
Take
that
one,
so
the
the
temporaries
permit
is.
D
Is
noticed
typically
within
300
feet,
so
with
the
application
of
these
standards
there
would
there
would
not
be
a
public
noticing
requirement
per
se,
but
I
think
what
the
intent
was
was.
If
a
you
know,
a
certain
construction
activity
was
going
to
affect.
You
know
a
certain
number
of
neighbors
or
or
a
certain
block
that
there
would
be
notice
to
those
immediate
neighbors
as
opposed
to
doing
a
full
300
foot
notice.
D
So
it
would
be
a
little
bit
more
specific
to
the
location
of
the
of
the
construction
staging
area.
If
it's,
if,
if
it's
in
conjunction
with
a
construction
project,
then
that
automatically
gets
noticed,
you
know
for
the
project
itself
and
any
construction
stating
that
goes
along
with
it.
So
that
would
have
the
same
noticing,
but
by
eliminating
a
temporary
use
the
language,
the
requirement
for
the
temporary
use
permit,
it
would
eliminate
the
event.
D
The
the
time
of
the
you
know,
putting
out
the
10
day
notice,
10
days
prior
to
the
planning
commission
hearing
and
then
having
to
try
and
schedule
the
planning
commission
hearing.
You
know
whether
you
know
in
a
timely
manner
if
they
miss
us,
miss
a
cycle
and
we
can't
notice
it
in
time.
Then
you
know,
obviously,
then
that's
where
the
delay
that
mike
was
talking
about
comes
in,
but
I
think
there's
still.
A
B
Yeah
I
have
some
concerns
like
the
solid
fence
tarping,
as
commissioner
morgan
mentioned,
if
those
are
not
ballasted
down
properly
with
sandbags,
those
are
overhunting
moment
issues.
I
think
we
have
we're.
Gonna
have
that
problem
at
the
the
new
gymnasium
we're
building
I've
seen
that
fence.
It
doesn't
look
very
sturdy.
I
have
concerns
about
this.
I
don't
know
if
this
is
part
of
what
we're
voting
on
tonight,
but
it's
being
mandated
for
any
single
family
homes.
B
If
it's
for
a
commercial
project
or
a
project
over
a
certain
value,
say
you
know
two
three
million
something
that
would
exceed
the
prices
of
most
homes.
I
have
no
issue
with
that.
I
have
an
issue
with
say:
someone
wants
to
rent
a
dumpster
from
recology
for
the
weekend
and
wants
to
do
some
do-it-yourself
work
or
dumping
things,
and
they
have
parked
this
on
their
sidewalk
and
they
want
to
do
it
over
the
weekend.
This
would
seem
to
violate
that.
B
So,
for
these
reasons
and
other
reasons,
we
may
be
incurring
costs
of
the
city
on
major
projects
like
the
sewer
project
that
didn't
get
voted
on,
but
I've
seen
pg
e
working
for
several
weeks
at
a
time
in
my
neighborhood,
where
they
parked
large
vehicles,
skids,
crane
trucks,
dump
trucks
right
on
the
street,
taking
up
multiple
spaces.
I
don't
think
we
should
have
to
make
those
guys
move
everything
out
away
for
the
weekend
or
fence
it
off,
and
so,
for
these
reasons
I'm
gonna
be
voting.
Noah.
D
Yeah,
I
would
agree
with
commissioner
martin.
I
think
what
he's
saying
is
making
a
lot
of
sense
for
for
a
private
house
operations
or
something
like
that.
I
think
it's
crazy
to
have
to
fence
the
whole
thing
in
and,
as
you
know,
if
somebody
wants
to
clear
out
their
house
or
garden
and
they
want
to
get
a
dumpster,
probably
the
only
time
they
can
do.
It
is
that
weekend
when
they're
off
work,
so
there
should
be
allowances
for
these
sort
of
things.
G
Yeah,
I
don't
think,
dump
I
don't
think
the
intent
was
ever
to
include
dumpsters
in
it
and
and
I
don't
think
the
intent
was
to
include
residential.
G
D
I
know
this,
this
is
a
these
are
great.
These
are
great
points.
No,
the
intent
was
not
to
include
residential,
because
it's
not
anything
that
would
be
subject
to
a
staging
area,
and
you
know
that's
on
on
private
property,
and
those
residential
projects
are
small
enough,
that
they
typically
store
the
materials
and
do
the
staging
on
time.
So
it's
real.
It's
really
geared
towards
any
new
multi-family
large
multi-family
new
construction.
D
You
know
that
would
need
to
be.
You
know,
well
managed
on
site.
So
it's
so
really
it's
not!
It's
not
the
homeowner
doing
an
addition
or
a
remodel,
and
it's
not.
G
We're
not
really
changing
the,
in
other
words,
whatever
was
required
in
the
past,
will
continue
to
be
required.
We're
just
simply
saying
is
that
right
now
there
wasn't
a
consistent
standard
for
fencing
and
screening.
So
you
know
projects
that
didn't
have
fencing
before
aren't
going
to
suddenly
require
fencing.
It's
just
simply
saying:
when
you've
got
a
you
know,
you
had
a
credit,
looking
fence
and
a
flapping
green
thing,
those
kind
of
things
we're
just
trying
to
make
sure
that
those
types
of
you
know
in
commercial
settings
where
you
know
high
visibility
settings.
G
You
know
they're
going
to
be
properly
screened
and
properly
fenced,
so
that
it
just
doesn't
look
ugly
that
you
know
there's
a
better
housekeeping.
That's
why
the
intent
is
not
so
I
don't
think
you're
going
to
see
anything
different
in
terms
of
the
types
of
projects
that
are
required
to
fencing.
It's
just
just
saying
when
you
do
have
fencing,
we
would
like
all
the
departments-
and
you
know,
as
a
city
as
a
whole,
have
a
consistent
standard.
I
think
that's
really
the
intent
behind
this.
B
Understood
but
I
think
the
example
commissioner
leffen
pointed
out
with
a
delivery
of
pavers
sitting
out
on
the
sidewalk
that
could
be
out
of
the
homeowners
control
a
lot
of
these
residential
contractors.
They
don't
show
up
when
they
say
they
will
and
they
can
be
sitting
there
and
the
homeowner
has
no
recourse
except
the
weight
and
again
the
dumpster
issue
if
those
are
sitting
on
on
the
street
in
a
parking
space
as
the
public
parking
space
on
this
next
to
the
sidewalk.
B
A
So,
michael,
I
have
a
question
given
the
comments
that
we've
heard
so
far.
Are
we
bound
to
this
resolution
the
way
it's
written
or
can
we.
D
Make
adjustments
no
you're,
welcome
yeah
you're
welcome
to
make
adjustments,
you
could
add,
you
know
an
additional
finding
or
you
could
expand.
B
Now
I
would
just
point
out
the
most
residential
construction
projects
that
do
choose
to
get
a
fence
is
to
protect
their
equipment
from
theft
and
their
tools.
It
is
not
to
have
privacy,
screening
or
aesthetics,
it's
a
purely
you
know,
functional
thing,
so
no
one
can
get
in
there
and
take
all
the
copper
pipe
out
of
the
building
after
it's
been
installed
or
steal
tools
or
drive
off
with
a
tractor.
B
The
purpose
of
fencing
on
residential
is
typically
not
an
aesthetic
construction
yards
big
projects
same
thing:
it's
to
protect
the
tools
and
to
provide
egress
and
ingress
with
a
security
guard
typically,
so
they
minimize
the
points
of
entry
and
exit.
It's
not
an
aesthetic
thing.
Typically,
although
I
do
agree
with
you,
it
can
get
kind
of
raggedy
looking
over
the
course
of
time,
but
yeah,
that's
my
experience.
D
So
through
the
chair,
one
suggestion
would
be
to
is
of
the
attachment
one,
which
is
the
the
standards
rather
than
trying
to
modify.
The
resolution
would
be
to
add
to
the
the
standards.
D
You
know
an
item
where
an
item
d,
which
basically
you
know
states
that
you
know
standards,
are,
would
not
be
applied
to
private
single-family
residential
projects
where
construction
screening
is
not
required,
currently
required
or
nor
would
it
apply
to
material
delivery
or
the
use
of
dumpsters
for
single-family
residential
projects.
A
A
Michael,
how
would
you
suggest
we
proceed
at
this
point
with
that?
If
we
were
to.
D
Choose
something
like
that,
like
that
item
d,
you
were
just
suggesting
we
could
either
well,
we
could
either
work
on
the
you
know,
work
out
the
language
now
or
you
could
direct
staff
to
you
know
to.
F
So
my
understanding
is
that
it's
it's
already
the
intent
that
these
residential
projects,
these
issues,
that
like
like
what
commissioner
leffen,
had
raised,
what
commissioner
madness
is
concerned
with
that
this
is
already
intended
to
be
dealt
with
through
the
encroachment
permit
process.
F
I've
looked
at
needing
an
encroachment
permit
myself
for
renovations,
and
so
I'm
personally
comfortable
leaving
it
up
to
staff
to
just
sort
of
you
know,
draft
sort
of
an
explicit
clarification
that
is
focused
on
the
larger
scale,
multi-family
and
commercial
projects,
but
I
don't
know
if
commissioner
madden
is
is
his
concerns
are
assuaged
here
or
not.
A
B
D
A
A
So
on
behalf
of
what
I've
heard
from
the
commissioners,
then
michael,
why
don't
we
add
that
item
d
that
we
were
talking
about
just
for
everyone's
peace
of
mind,
and
what
do
we
need
to
do
to
bring
this
back
at
the
next
meeting?
A
Do
we
need
to
take
a
vote
right
now
or
just
if
you,
I
guess,
if
you'd
like
to
discuss
it,
you
could
vote
to
continue
the
public
hearing
to
our
january
meeting
that
might
be
best
so
that
the
public
hearing
would
remain.
D
Open
in
case
you
had
any
comments
or
questions
and
if
there's
any
public
that
joins
they
could,
you
know
also
make
comments
as
well.
So
you
could
make
a
motion
to
continue
it
to
to
our
first
meeting
in
january,
okay
january
18th.
E
E
I
was,
I
was
thinking
about
another
construction
site
that
was
in
my
residential
neighborhood.
It
was
a
it
was
a
residential
project.
It
was
a
very
large
addition
near
my
home
and
they
did
use
fencing
and
I
think,
as
commissioner
madden
had
mentioned,
it
was
to
protect
some
tools
and
stuff.
It
also
was
really
unsightly
situation
and
the
fencing
was
held
up
with
ropes
against
like
a
tree
that
was
kind
of
falling
over
and
the
fence
was
kind
of
flapping
around
and
it
was
catching
garbage
and
the
weeds
were
all
going
up.
E
So
I
I
do
support
the
idea
of
of
this
change
covering
I.
I
wouldn't
want
to
exclude
all
residential,
like
enforcement
of
residential
situations,
because
if
there
is
a
residential
project
that
is
using
fencing,
it
should
be
maintained
properly
and
it
should
be
safe
and
it
should
be
secure.
So
I
just
want
to
be
make
sure
that,
as
we
are
excluding
the
requirement
for
the
fencing
from
residential
projects
that
it
still
covers
residential
projects
that
choose
to
use
fencing
to
make
sure
that
it's
safe
and
clean
and
and
properly
done.
A
F
Commissioner
hartman,
so
I
I
wanted
to
loop
back
to
the
conversation
around
noticing,
because
my
my
energy
just
got
very
wonky
there
for
a
bit,
and
I
guess
the
so
on
the
scale
of
the
large
projects,
the
public
works
project,
potentially
large
private
construction,
where
we
so
you
know.
Currently,
you
know
you
said
we
sent
out
a
notice
within
a
certain
distance
of
the
project
site
and
what
I
wanted
was
clarification
of
whether
you
have
an
off-site
staging
area.
F
You
would
have
noticing,
based
on
proximity
to
that
staging
area
as
well,
for
this
project,
because,
right,
if
we're
moving
from
having
a
separate
hearing
about
the
construction
staging
to
saying
that
that's
essentially
included
in
the
conditions
of
the
main
project,
do
you
follow
for
where
I'm
going
a
bit
like
the
people
who
are
adjacent
to
the
staging
area,
but
not
the
main
site?
They
might
not
hear
about
it.
In
that
case,
it
seems
like.
F
So
also
are
we
in
fact
noticing
on
the
basis
of
that
or
is
like?
Is
that
already
sort
of
included
in
the
principles
of
this,
or
is
that
something
that
we
should
be
adding?
Well,
it's
only.
We
only
do
the
noticing,
through
the
planning
department,
if
it's
the
temporary
use
permit
and
it's
the
300
feet.
D
B
B
I
started
another
question
based
on
mr
harmon's
comments,
so
this
was
about
the
temporary
use
permit
for
off-site
staging
is
that
only
when
a
fence
is
required
or
just
when
any
off-site
use
is
being
proposed,
because
I
think
I'm
fine
with
the
staff
are
not
going
through
planning
commission
to
do
these
type
of
things,
provided
that
there
is
a
procedure
for
mainly
what
I
would
be
concerned
about
is
traffic
flow.
B
If
they
are,
you
know,
say
reversing
out
of
a
driveway
blocking
the
street
that
they
have
flagmen
set
up
kind
of
like
what
they
do
on
the
pg
e
projects,
and
things
like
that.
I
assume
all
that
stuff
would
be
reviewed
by
somebody
at
the
city
or
some
form
the
contractor
would
fill
out
to
ensure.
Yes,
we
are
doing
these
things
with
or
without
offense,
on
an
off-site
staging
area.
D
Application
is
that
the
case
yeah
usually
there's
for
larger
projects,
there's
a
traffic
control
plan
and
other
information
that
is
required
from
the
public
works
department,
whether
it's
an
encroachment
permit
or
another
type
of
project.
D
G
If
you
have
more
information
mike
on
on
what
the
public
works,
department
typically
would
do
yeah.
No,
that's
that's
right!
Typically,
you
would
have
you
know
like
a
traffic
control
plan,
you
would
even
have
a
site
storage
plan.
That's
typically
in
job
specifications
for
a
couple
of
projects
is
you
actually
have
to
kind
of
lay
out
how
you
plan
to
store
things
and
to
make
sure
that
you
know
things
aren't
getting
damaged
or
secure
things
like
that?
So
that's!
That's!
G
Typically,
all
part
of
the
preparation,
mobilization
stage
of
of
a
public
works
project,
not
necessarily
a
private
project
and
and
yeah.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you're
right
in
saying
that
this
it
doesn't
impact
any
other
temporary
use.
I
mean
it's
very
specific
to
off-site
construction
staging.
That's
the
only
thing
that
we're
offering
here.
So
all
the
noticing
requirements
for
any
other
kind
of
temporary
use
doesn't
change.
It's
just
that,
for
whatever
reason,
construction,
temporary
construction
storage
was
very
specifically
called
out
in
the
zoning
code.
That's
the
that's
really
unusual.
G
It
was
called
out
and
separated
from
everything
else
because
for
any
other
temporary
use
permit
in
the
zinc
code.
There's
administrative
authorities-
you
know
for
up
to
three
months,
you,
the
the
planning
commission,
wouldn't
even
see
that
unless
it
was
planned
for
more
than
three
months,
for
whatever
reason,
temporary
construction
storage
was
specifically
spelled
out
for
any
length
of
time,
so
literally
even
for
theoretically
for
a
week-long
project,
it
would
have
to
go
to
the
zone
with
the
planning
commission
for
approval.
That's
that's
the
part
that
is
really
unusual
and
we're
trying.
B
To
adjust
so
that
projects
can
move
more
smoothly
with
less
burden
on
them.
So
is
there
a
way
to
separate
you
know?
Most
of
our
comments
have
to
do
with
the
fencing
requirement.
B
G
Right
but
I
mean
I,
I
guess
I
guess
I'll
go
back
to
what
I
said
is
that
there's
really
no
new
fencing
requirement
right?
In
other
words,
if
a
fence
is
required,
it's
gonna,
it's
nothing
has
changed.
The
only
thing
we're
saying
is
that
if
a
fence
is
required
or
if
you're
installing
one,
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it
looks
okay
right,
that's
the
only
thing,
that's
changing
so,
in
other
words,
there's
no
new
requirement
for
fence.
G
In
other
words,
if
a
project
didn't
used
to
require
fencing,
there's
nothing
in
the
language
that
says
you
now
have
to
install
it.
The
only
thing
we're
adding
is
that,
right
now
they
said
the
public
works
effect
typically
say:
offense
would
have
to
be
put
up
for
security
and
kept
in
good
condition.
That's
what
it
says
right
now.
So
all
we're
saying
is
here's.
What
good
condition
means.
Good
condition
means
that
you
know
the
screening
isn't
flapping
around.
G
It
means
that
you
know
there's
no
gaps
in
the
in
the
fence
that
it's
secured
and
whatever
else,
that's
all
that
we're
really
changing,
because
right
now
the
language
in
in
the
general
specifications
and
the
conditions
are
cool.
Hey.
You
need
to
have
a
fence
with
screening.
It
just
doesn't
have
any
specifications
so
we're
just
trying
to
be
a
little
bit
more
specific
so
that
when
a
fence
is
falling
apart,
an
inspector
can
go
out
and
say:
look
here's
what
you
need
to
do
to
make
it
look
better,
because
right
now,
there's
just
no
standard.
G
All
the
departments
public
works
and
for
that
yeah,
whether
you're
putting
a
sense
of
public
works,
project
or
building
project
or
a
planning
project.
You
know
no
one's
getting
treated
differently,
everyone's
using
the
same
standard
sensor.
That
makes
it
easier
for
you
guys
to
administrate
as
well
correct
right,
but
there's
no
new
fencing
requirement
other
than
the
fact
that
we're
just
making
a
standard
fencing
requirement
and
here's
what
it
means
when
we
say
in
good
condition,
we're
just
defining
good
condition
for
fence
and
screening,
but
but
there's
no,
no
additional
requirement.
G
In
other
words,
we're
not
saying
hey
now,
you'll
have
to
defense,
no
matter
what
it's,
just
whatever
fence
was
required
to
pass,
will
continue
to
be
required,
whatever
the
city's
standards
and
practices
have
been.
So
if
your
practice
hasn't
been
to
have
fencing
for
residential
projects,
the
intention
is
nothing
changes.
A
Anyone,
okay!
Well,
I'm
going
to
suggest
seeing
how
the
resolution
and
the
other
document
are
not
attached
to
this-
that
we
continue
this
to
a
what
was
it
the
january
meeting,
michael
yeah,
so
that
was.
D
Later
on
our
later
on
our
agenda
from
items
from
zap,
we
were
considering
canceling
the
meeting
on
the
21st.
D
You
know
this
would
this
would
be
the
only
item
if
you,
if,
if
the
commission
did
want
to
hold
a
meeting
on
the
21st,
but
we
were
because
it
is
so
close
to
the
holidays,
we
were
we
were
trying
to
reserve
items.
So
we
don't
have
any
other
items
for
that
meeting.
We
do
have
a
house
on
hazel
avenue,
but
that
one
will
be
heard
in
in
january.
D
A
That
was
the
only
item
we
had
pending
for
the
21st,
so
so
it's
really
up
to
the
commission,
if
you'd
like
to
hold
that
meeting
on
the
21st
for
this
item
or
it
can
wait
till
january.
This
is
not
a
time
sensitive
item,
so
we
would
basically,
you
know
we
can
send
it
to
the
city
council
at
any
time
after
the
planning
commissions
made
their
decision.
D
I
make
a
motion
that
we
say
this
until
the
january
meeting.
A
Sorry
I'll,
second,
that
I
have
a
motion
in
a
second
michael
roll
call
vote.
Please.
D
Hey
commissioner
morgan
aye,
commissioner
hi
commissioner
madden
hi,
commissioner
derrazzo
aye
vice
chair,
harmon,
all
right
and
chair
viasani
all
right.
Thank
you
all.
A
A
What
we've
typically
done
in
the
past
is
nominated
the
gosh,
the
newest
person
on
the
commission,
who
hasn't
served
on
the
chair.
I
believe
that
would
be
commissioner.
Harmon
would
be
next
up
in
line.
A
F
A
You
michael,
would
you
help
us
with
a
roll
call?
Well,
please.
A
D
A
All
right,
okay,
all
right
so
for
vice
chair
that
would
using
that
same
formula,
commissioner
madden,
would
you
be
interested
interested
in
being
vice
chair
absolutely.
F
I
would
like
to
nominate
commissioner
gerard
madden,
as
my
vice
chair
for
january,
I
guess,
either
december
or
january,
depending
on
whether
we're
having
that
december
meeting
okay.
A
Very
good,
so
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second
michael.
Once
again,
would
you
be
so
kind.
D
F
D
Hey
at
the
last
meeting,
christopher
madden
had
brought
up
just
a
question
about
the
airport
land
use
maps,
so
I'll
do
a
quick,
a
screen
share
and
it
just
has
to
do.
I
think
it's
a
good,
a
good
reminder-
and
this
is
one
of
my
favorite
maps
within
san
mateo
county,
so
I
always
love
to
share
it,
just
because
it's
so
colorful
and
interesting.
D
So
so
this
is
the
so
so
the
question
was
raised
regarding
residential
projects
in
the
city
and,
as
you
know,
our
transit
corridor
plan
has
a
height
limit
of
75
stories
70
feet.
However,
with
a
various
density
bonus,
the
application
of
density
bonus,
you
know
some
slight
adjustments
in
height
can
be
requested.
D
So
what
this
map
shows
and
I'll
move
my
cursor
around
a
little
bit,
but
you
know
there's
this:
if
you
look
at
the
at
the
cross
section
up
at
the
top
right
first,
you
can
see
that
this
there's
a
measurement
between
the
ground
surface
and
then
the
the
aeronautical
surface,
that
you
know
that
the
faa
just
typically
does
not
want
to
see
penetrated.
D
And
so,
when
you
apply
that
over
the
varied
topography
we
have
here
in
san
mateo
county,
you
get
the
map.
That's
that
you
see
before
you,
where
the
beige
colors
mean
that
the
the
the
delta
between
the
ground
level
and
the
conical
surface
can
be
between
35
and
65
feet,
which
would
automatically
limit
the
height
of
buildings
to
within
that
range.
D
So
if
you
again,
I
apologize
this
map's
a
little
hard
to
read,
but
you'll
notice
that
the
tanforan
shopping
center
area,
just
north
of
380,
is
the
green,
which
would
be
60
between
65
and
100.,
but
most
of
our
dcp
area,
which
is
south
of
the
the
380
sign
that
you
see
here,
is
outside
of
the
immediate
conical
surface.
So
the
height
limit
is
not.
D
A
D
I
this
I
would
recommend
what
I'll
do
is
I'll.
Send
you
a
link
to
the
document?
Okay,
if
the
document
has
you
know
several
several
maps
that
are
worth
looking
at
and
they're
easier
to
look
at
within
the
plan
itself,
so
I'll
send
that
link
the
other.
D
D
So
the
airport
land
use
plan
considers
any
resident
new
residential
land
use
between
the
70
and
75
the
contour
as
an
incompatible
use,
so
that
you
know
that
again,
there's
there's
a
good
portion
of
the
city
of
san
mateo,
I'm
sorry
san
bruno,
that
is
affected
by
you
know,
by
this
noise
contour.
However,
a
good
portion
of
the
transit
corridor
plan
properties
on
san
bruno
avenue
and
el
camino
real
are
not
are
not
affected.
They're
outside
of
the
70
decibel.
B
Would
you
be
able
to
go
back
to
the
previous
map?
I
have
a
question
on
this
map
as
well,
but
we'll
do
the
other
one
first
yeah.
Are
you
able
to
zoom
in
at
all
into
this
kind
of
san
bruno
dot
and.
D
I
can't
bring
it
up,
let's
see
if
I
can
get
down
a
little
more.
D
B
Okay,
well,
I
can
maybe
try
and
ask
my
question
or
make
my
point.
It
looks
like
the
green
areas
and
the
blue
areas
and
the
gray
we
can
go
higher
in
a
lot
of
instances
than
our
current
height
limits.
Allow,
I
think
you
said
we
have
a
our
story.
Limit
is
typically
six
in
the
city.
Is
that
am
I
remembering
right.
D
It's
five
five
stories,
70
feet
just
for
the
tcp
areas.
There
are
other
height
limits.
B
That
are,
you
know
much
lower
elsewhere.
B
Okay,
so
for,
like
you
know
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
like
hotels
recently-
and
you
know
I
know,
there's
a
big
push
for
residential
units
and
whatnot,
and
you
know
there
are
some
changes
in
the
building
code
happening
with
respect
to
timber
construction,
where
they're
actually
going
to
be
allowing
up
to
18
stories
made
out
of
wood
in
the
new
building
codes.
B
If
they're
designed
properly
with
fire
protection
and
because
of
sustainability
and
the
need
for
housing
and
whatnot,
it's
a
really
good
option
and
given
the
few
lots
that
are
available
in
the
city
right
now,
I
think
it
would
be
worthwhile
if
maybe
some
pencil
sharpening
could
happen
with
respect
to
these
areas
where
we
could
exceed
that
height
limit.
It
may
allow
for
projects
to
pencil
out
better
financially
if
they're
able
to
go
upward
rather
than
limiting
themselves
to
a
few
stories,
especially
on
multi-family
projects.
D
B
This
is
a
big
hurdle
to
me
on
meeting
the
goals
of
the
state
laws
if
limited
to
50
feet.
That's
that's
four
stories
right.
F
Yep
correct
through
the
chair,
this
may
be
of
interest
to
council
member
hamilton,
if
he's
still
with
us,
as
well
as
the
staff,
but
I
believe
that
sb10
did
provide
that.
F
I
forget
the
exact
route,
but
there
was
an
administrative
procedure
to
make
a
finding
that
if
an
existing
voter
initiative
of
the
type
of
ordinance
1284
did
represent
a
challenge
to
compliance
with
state
law,
there
was
some
sort
of
administrative
procedure
to
essentially
seek
an
exception
for
that
housing
element
cycle
you'd
have
to
look
into
the
details,
I'm
not
a
lawyer,
but
but
my
understanding
was
essentially
that
under
sb
10,
a
voter
ordinance
cannot
prevent
you
from
complying
with
the
law
that
that
you
have
to
come
up
with
a
a
valid
housing
element
inventory
regardless,
and
you
know
if
the
choice
is
either.
D
B
And
then,
just
going
back
to
the
second
diagram,
you
showed
with
the
noise
levels.
Okay,
we
can
go
back.
B
So
it
looks
like
the
I
know:
there's
a
proposed
redevelopment
of
tampering
with
a
lot
of
housing
units.
I've
spread.
You
know
this
that
could
be
affected
by
this.
B
It
looks
like
you
know,
380
smith
area,
maybe
we're
just
to
the
west
of
that
but
looks
like
that's
kind
of
in
the
border
of
where
that
may
happen,
and
just
you
know
when
the
developer
is,
you
know,
designing
stuff.
They
need
to
pay
attention
to
that
airplane,
noise
or
jet
blast
stuff
when
they
design
those
those
units.
If
they're
you
know
going
to
be
attractive
for
people
to
buy
or
rent
depending
on
what
type
of
their
condos
or
apartments,
but
should
just
keep
that
in
mind.
F
I've
got
I
I
actually
if,
if
commissioner
adam
hadn't
brought
this
up,
I
was
going
to
this
is
something
I've
discussed
a
few
times
before
we
have
members
of
the
council
and
with
staff.
F
I
believe,
actually,
that
south
san
francisco
has
recently
done
a
development
that
is
under
one
of
these
noise
contours,
and
I
mean
fundamentally,
you
know
I
mean
the
airport's
concerned:
they
they
had
to
pay
a
bunch
of
money
to
retrofit
the
houses
in
my
neighborhood
on
the
east
side
to
improve
the
noise
insulation
of
the
buildings
here
after
they
expanded
operations
from
the
airport,
and
you
know
they
don't
want
to
do
that
again,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know
like
well,
we
know
the
airport
is
there
now
and
it
seems
like
you
know
you
put
a
building
there
like
we
shouldn't
say
that
you
can't
build
residences
here
at
all.
F
We
should
say
you
have
to
take
responsibility
to
you
know
to
build
it
with
appropriate
noise
insulation
to
begin
with,
and
not
come
complaining
to
the
airport,
that
there
are
planes
that
you
know
like
there's,
not
really
a
problem
with
with
putting
housing
in
here
we
shouldn't
be
making
it
illegal.
We
should
be
making
it.
F
You
know
you,
you
you,
you
can
build
it,
but
you
have
to
take
responsibility
for
where
you're
building
and
I
had
wondered
if
staff
has
looked
at
the
recent
south
san
francisco
case,
because
my
understanding
is
that
that
was
something
of
an
exception
that
they
negotiated
special
conditions
for
it.
F
But
it
seems
like
this
is
an
exception
that
should
become
the
rule
that
whatever
established
agreement,
there
should
just
be
the
new
agreement
that
everybody
uses
so
that
we
don't
have
to
come
back
and
have
special
negotiations
about
ten
foreign
next
time
or
or
if
they
redevelop
the
san
bernardino
town
center.
That's
just
north
of
stanford
right,
but
we
should
just
figure
out
what
we
want
to
do
with
this
and
do
it
for
everything.
D
Yeah,
so
that,
yes,
we
did
look
at
the
there's,
it's
a
project
on
noor,
just
north
of
the
mall,
that
it
was
approximately
300
units
that
the
the
city
of
san
francisco
went
through
an
airport
land
use
commission
override
process.
So
it
was
an
approval
by
their
city
council
to
to
basically
override
the
recommendation.
There
was
you
know
there
were
certain
requirements,
you
know,
essentially,
you
know
taking
full
responsibility
for
the
for
the
project
and
its
location
and
also
for
the
noise.
D
You
know
so,
essentially
you
know
was
all
was
all
part
of
the
approval
process
and
the
city
of
south
san
francisco
is
also
updating
their
general
plan
and
some
of
their
the
you
know.
Some
of
the
types
of
development
they're
looking
at
including
housing
also
does
fall
within
the
noise
contour,
so
they're
they'll
also
be
looking
at
you
know,
are
more
global.
D
They
may
be
looking
at
a
more
global
override
with
the
aluc
and
so
they're.
F
F
Yeah,
I
think,
if,
if
everybody
from
the
affected
cities-
which
I
think
is
south
san
francisco
san
bruno
millbrae
and
just
like
a
tiny,
tiny
little
corner
of
burlingame,
I
don't
know
whether
there's
any
residential
land
in
that.
But
it
does
seem
like
we
should
all
be
on
the
same
page
so
that
anybody
that's
doing
development
in
the
area
knows
the
standards.
B
Yeah,
there
definitely
be
cost
impacts
to
blazing
windows,
exterior
facades,
roofs
on
all
these
structures
within
those
zones,
and
it's
better
for
them
to
you
know:
do
that
up
front
rather
than
having
massive
turnover
of
rental
units,
because
someone
can't
stand
the
noise
of
planes
landing,
so
it
should.
It
should
get
into
some
ordinance
or
some
kind
of
development
agreements
for
san
bruno
and
if
it
means
doing
exactly
what
south
city
is
doing,
we
should
find
out
what
they're
doing
and
you
know
incorporate
it.
My
opinion.
B
But
thank
you
for
taking
these
maps
up
there
very
helpful
to
read.
Thank
you,
yeah
I'll,
send
you
a
link
to
the
plan.
I
think
the
whole
plan
is.
Is
you
know
it's
interesting
to
look
at
and
understand
and
and
of
course
the
maps
are
nice
too.
D
So,
moving
on
to
the
next
the
next
staff
item
we
just
had,
I
prepared
the
housing
law
summary
sheet
for
you,
since
we
didn't
for
the
presentation
we
did
last
month,
we
didn't
have
any
written
information
and
the
commission
wanted
that
information
in
writing
so
that
they
have
a
little
cheat
sheet.
So
I
hope
that's
helpful
for
you
also,
so
we
discussed
the
meeting
on
the
12th.
D
D
Yeah,
it's
it's
our
meeting's
on
the
21st,
so
yep
okay
seems
to
be
agreement
there.
So
we
have
just
as
a
reminder,
though,
we
do
have
the
december
16th
arc
meeting
and
we
had.
D
Asked
for
volunteers:
at
the
last
meeting
we
had
commissioners,
johnson,
biacetti
and
leffen,
who
indicated
interest
and
the
ability
to
participate
on
december
16th
for
the
arc
meeting.
We
do
have
a
couple
items,
so
is
that
still,
okay
with
those
folks,
okay
great?
So
then,
with
that
we
need
volunteers
for
the
january
13th
arc
meeting,
since
we
won't
be
able
to
ask
for
those
in
december.
So.
D
Okay,
then,
we've
attached
the
calendar
for
2022
to
the
packet
and
there's
nothing
unusual
about
it.
There
were
no.
There
were
no
dates
that
you
know
were
problematic
with
holidays
or
anything
like
that.
So
so
pretty
straightforward,
the
you
know
the
december
meeting
does
fall
close
to
the
holidays,
but
we
can.
B
Talk
about
that
when
we
get
there
so
can
I
ask
a
question
I
I
have
so
many
calendars
on
my
outlook.
It's
confusing,
but
do
you
guys
send,
or
is
it
possible
to
send
email
or
outlook,
invites
for
these
meetings
and
mainly
the
arc
meetings?
So
sometimes
I
forget,
if
I've
signed
up
or
not,
is
it
is
it
possible
to
do
that
with
like
absolutely
reminder
like
four
or
five
days
prior
to
that
meeting?
So
yes,.
A
And
michael,
as
long
as
we're
talking
about
calendars
in
2022,
I
know
some
of
us
are
coming
up
to
the
end
of
our
terms
in
2022..
Wouldn't
you
have
a
chance?
Could
you
get
that
information
together
for
us
so
that
we
can
either
apply
or
we
need
to
do
absolutely?
Absolutely
thanks.
Thanks
for
the
reminder.
B
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
the
effort
was
that
all
my
term
is
coming
up,
because
I
was
kind
of
like
a
interim
assignee
or
something
so
I
don't
know
if
that
affects
the
vice
chair
thing
or
not,
but
I
don't
know.
D
No
yeah,
I
do
have
we,
we
have
quite
a
few.
We
have
terribly
asleep.
As
chair
b
asadi
is
2022..
The
vice
player
harmon
is
2024.
D
Commissioner
derozzo
2022,
commissioner
leffen
is
2024.,
mary
lou,
johnson's,
2024.,
jared
gerard
manning
is
2022
and
val
morgan
is
2022
as
well,
so
yeah.
So
we've
got
one.
Two
three
we've
got
four
four.
A
Folks
that
yeah
with
the
term,
expires
this
year.
Do
we
know
what
months?
A
Are
I
mean
harman,
the
assadi
and
johnson,
I
believe
yeah,
okay,
so
we'll
move
on
to
public
comments
for
items
not
on
the
agenda.
This
is
the
moment
in
time
for
folks
at
home.
If
they'd
like
to
address
the
commission
for
items
that
are
not
on
the
menu
on
the
agenda,
you
either
raise
your
hand
or
star
nine
on
the
phone
and
we'll
give
you
a
moment
or
two
to
do
that.
A
A
No,
I
would
just
like
to
say
thank
you
for
the
privilege
and
the
opportunity
to
be
the
chair
this
last
year,
it's
been
an
interesting
year.
I
I'm
glad
that
we've
all
made
it
through
this
situation
and
gotten
to
where
we're
at
it's
been
a
pleasure
to
work
with
each
and
every
one
of
you.
I
look
forward
to
doing
our
meetings
again
in
person.
I
miss
that
a
lot.
A
Yeah,
just
thank
you
again,
everyone.
It's
it's
been
a
pleasure.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
That's
rick,
great
job,
no
problem,
thank
you
and
with
that
we
are
adjourned
until
january
12,
18
18..
Thank
you.
We're
adjourned
till
january
18,
2022
and
merry
christmas,
happy
holidays
and
all
the
rest
of
that
to
everyone.
F
H
Rick,
I
just
want
to
say
one
one
small
thing,
aside
from
the
fact
that
you've
done
a
fabulous
job
and
to
say
thank
you
for
that
amazing
journey
that
you
always
take
us
through
your
solid,
your
sound,
and
I
always
appreciate
your
leadership
and
also
I
wanted
just
to
comment
because
I
came
on
late
quite
late,
and
so
I
was
stuck
in
traffic
coming
from
cameron
park
and
I
just
wanted.
H
I
didn't
send
rick
a
note,
but
it
was
way
after
the
fact-
and
it
was
three
hour
drive-
and
I
didn't
anticipate
that
so
I
I
just
apologize
for
not
getting
on
timely,
no
problem,
no
problem
at
all,
I'm
glad
you
made
it.