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A
Rick
I'm
going
to
recuse
myself
and
then
I'll,
not
recuse,
but
abstain
from
the
from
the
minutes.
Just
so
you
know
that,
as
chair
I
was
known
at
the
last
meeting.
B
B
A
When
my
son
turned
50,
he
lives
in
australia,
so
I
posted
on
facebook,
some
historical
things
from
early
on.
You
know
like
coming
home
from
the
hospital
all
the
way
to
his
montana
joe
montana's
outfits
and
his
six.
You
know
the
number
16
all
the
earrings
that
I
still
have
of
his
it
was.
It
was
really
fun
to
do
that.
So
a
parent
every
year
think
more
about
your
child.
Your
children's
birthday
and
those
milestones
are
a
big
deal.
C
Yeah
I
was,
I
was
on
a
different
teleconference
at
the
time.
It's
been
one
thing
after
another
today.
A
We
get
the
packet,
sometimes
we
get
it
from
vicki,
so
we
get
it
from
different
sources,
but
it's
not
always
the
same
each
week,
so
you
have
to
sort
of
search
a
little
bit
and
this
time
I
had
to
go
on
the
city
website,
go
to
the
government
section
and
download
it
because
I
I
didn't
see
it
in
any
of
the
emails,
so
I
think
I'm
just
going
to
make
that
a
practice.
I'm
not
you
know
I
really
like
when
I
get
it,
but
but
it's
it's
just
as
easy
to
go
on
the
website.
B
C
B
Present
charity
with
sodium,
so
I
think
you
can
get
started
okay,
so
with
that
good
evening,
and
welcome
to
the
october
19th
2021
planning
commission
meeting
for
everyone
attending
virtually.
Thank
you
for
joining
us.
Please
know
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B
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speak
once
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agenda
item
and
michael,
would
you.
E
B
B
C
B
Second,
we
have
a
motion.
A
second
all,
those
or
michael,
is
a
roll
call
for
this.
F
B
21
2021.
do
we
have
a
motion
for
those
minutes.
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F
A
B
B
Michael,
can
you
see
anyone
on
your
side?
No
okay,
then
we'll
move
on
to
item
three
conflicts
of
interest.
Anyone
have
a
conflict.
Even
no
okay,
then
we
will
move
on
to
item
four
public
hearings.
B
2230
fleetwood
and
this
is
staff-
is
recommending
recommending.
We
continue
to
november
16
2021..
Anyone
have
comments
or
to
continue.
B
B
Michael
smith,
you're
here
with
us,
I
see
you
on
the
screen.
Would
you
be
so
kind
just
to
help
us
with
a
roll
call
vote?
Please
sure?
Well,
I'm
gonna.
D
I'm
gonna
pause
right
here
for
a
moment.
I
I
think
he
might
be
checking
on
the
last
motion.
You
guys
made
just
to
make
sure
so
we'll
wait
to
hear
from
michael
right
now.
B
D
Certainly,
commissioner
morgan
coming
coming
soon.
Hopefully,
commissioner
madden
hi
commissioner
johnson
aye
commissioner
levin
aye,
commissioner
dirazo,
is
excused
vice
chair
harman
bye
and
chair
b,
asante.
B
All
right
so
with
that
we'll
move
on
to
item
b,
which
is
1723
hickory,
and
this
is
also
a
staff
recommendation
to
continue
to
november
16
2021..
Anyone
might
want
to
make
a
comment
or
a
motion.
D
Commissioner
morgan
coming
soon,
commissioner
madden
aye,
mr
johnson
aye,
commissioner
lepen
hi
commissioner
derozzo
excused.
D
Hopefully
you
can
you're
able
to
see
my
screen.
D
Yes,
yes,
okay,
great
well
good
evening.
Commissioners,
this
item
is
similar
to
the
presentation
that
pamela
did
to
the
city
council
last
evening
on
the
new
state
laws,
plus
some
existing
state
laws,
and
it's
always
good
to
even
if
you're
familiar
with
some
of
the
some
of
the
housing
laws.
It's
always
good.
D
D
D
So
our
agenda,
the
agenda
tonight
includes
some
background,
we'll
talk
about
sb9
sb10
accessory
drawing
units
sb
35,
which
is
expedited
processing.
D
It
has
a
housing,
accountability,
act,
sb,
330,
state
density,
bonus
law
and,
finally,
concluding
with
any
questions
that
you
have
so
the
as,
as
you
know,
the
cities
and
municipalities,
including
san
bruno,
are
able
to
regulate
development
and
and
implement
development
standards
through
the
general
plan
through
zooming,
through
voter
approval.
D
Also
in
san
bruno's
case,
you
have
the
transit
corridors
plan,
which
is
a
plan
for
mixed
use,
development
along
san
bruno's
corridors
and
that
that
document
has
very
specific
standards
about
development
and
development,
massing
and
so
forth,
and
these
laws
of
course
strike
a
balance
between
non-existing
development,
while
also
basically
maintaining
the
quality
of
life
for
the
community.
D
The
new
state
laws,
however,
supersede
some
of
these
local
regulations.
They
serve
to
streamline
and
expedite
review
processes.
They
limit
the
applicability
of
zoning
in
some
cases
and
they
waive
certain
development
standards
such
as
parking
height,
setbacks
and
so
forth
and
again,
the
aim
of
the
state
laws
is
to
increase
production
of
housing.
D
Governor
newsome
signed
us
on
on
september,
16th
and
it'll
take
effect
on
january
1st
2022.,
the
the
legislation
allows
for
single-family-owned
lots
anywhere
within
a
jurisdiction
to
have
up
to
four
units.
This
includes
all
the
units
types
such
as
a
duplex,
an
accessory
dwelling
unit,
a
junior
accessory
dwelling
unit
as
permitted
by
the
existing
adu
laws.
D
D
There
is
a
provision
in
the
law
that
states
that,
if
you
are
subdividing,
you
have
to
subdivide
roughly
proportionate
to
the
size
of
the
lot
based
on
a
maximum
40
60
percent
split.
So
you
can
do
50,
50,
40,
60
or
anything
in
between,
but
you
can't
do
take
20
of
the
lot
area
and
then
leave
80.
So
so
it's
1200
square
feet
is
the
minimum
and
then
the
roughly
proportional
split.
D
This
will
preempt
any
city
zoning
standards
and
apply
to
most
residential
neighborhoods
across
the
state,
and
so
this
basically
the
jurisdiction
has
to
allow
units
of
at
least
800
square
feet
in
size
for
parking.
It
prohibits
off-street
parking
requirements
to
know
more
than
one
parking
space
per
unit.
That's
all
that
can
be
required
if
the
property
is
located
within
a
half
a
mile
of
high
quality
transit
in
san
bruno's
case.
The
sam
trams
bus
lines
on
el
camino,
real
cal,
trainer
or
bart
or
car
share
vehicles
available
within
a
block.
D
B
Stay
here
I
I
hope
that.
D
This
these
graphics
are
not
meant
to
alarm
you
and
I
think
they
may
be.
D
You
know
go
a
bit
far,
but
the
one
on
the
left
you
can
see
shows
an
existing
single-family
residential
neighborhood
and
then
the
the
diagram
below
shows
potential
development
under
sb9.
I
think
that
the
the
massive
the
boxes
and
the
massing
they're
showing
is
a
bit
aggressive
and
probably
overdone,
but
it
it's.
D
You
know
I
think
it's
just
designed
to
help
convey
what
you
know
visually.
What
might
happen
the
next
image
the
before
and
after
sb9,
so
there
are
potentially
a
number
of
ways.
Individuals
could
subdivide
their
lots
either
with
you
know,
subdividing
off
the
back
of
the
lot
with
some
sort
of
an
easement
or
splitting
the
lot
into
directly
from
street.
D
You
know,
so
those
are
some
of
the
some
of
the
possible
ways.
People
might
use
this
law.
However,
it's
it's
worth
noting
that
some
research
has
been
done
by
the
turner
center
in
berkeley.
Looking
at
you
know
all
of
the
lots
within
the
state
and
also
looking
at
larger
cities,
including
san
bruno,
and
they
and
basically
you
know,
they're
looking
at
it
from
an
economic
standpoint,
whether
you
know
the
the
cost
and
value
of
adding
a
unit
versus
what
it
can
be.
D
You
know
rented
for
you
know
whether
that
makes
sense,
and
they
see
that
you
know
for
san
bruno.
That
would
mean
no
more
than
500
of
these
types
of
units
during
the
the
life
of
the
law,
but
our
staff's
feeling
is
that
most
homeowners
who
are
interested
in
having
an
additional
unit
on
the
property
would
be
looking
more
at
the
adu
or
the
junior
adu
option,
rather
than
subdividing
their
property
subdivision
requires.
D
In
addition
to
that,
one
of
the
the
the
one
of
the
problems
that
we
see
with
the
law
is
that
it
creates
or
can
create
a
number
of
building
code
conflicts.
So,
for
example,
the
building
code
for
residential
construction
requires
that
you
maintain
a
five
foot
setback
from
any
openings,
such
as
doors
windows
along
a
building,
and
if
you
go
closer
than
that,
those
openings
have
to
be
fire
rated,
you
know,
or
they
have
to
be
eliminated
so
and
for
residential
homes.
D
You
need
ingress
and
egress
out
of
windows
and
around
the
perimeter
of
a
structure
so
subdivision.
I
think
people
will
find
great
wealth
created
that
will
create
a
lot
of
conflicts
in
these
types
of
of
structures.
So
time
time
will
tell
how
this
will
play
out.
But
again
you
know.
We
feel
that
the
that
most
people
are
going
to
go
for
adus
and
junior
adus
senate
bill
10
is
the
is
also
another
bill
that
governor
newsom
signed
into
law
and
also
takes
effect
january
1st
2022.
D
This
law
is,
is
optional
for
cities.
So
it's
not
it's
a
tool
for
cities
who
wish
to
increase
a
single-family
residential
zoning
intensity
close
to
transit.
So
what
it
does
is
it
exempts
re-zonings
of
single-family
lots
to
small
multi-family
housing
structures
of
up
to
10
units.
D
You
know
with
in
close
proximity
of
transit,
so
the
act
the
act
of
rezoning
would
be
exempt
from
the
california
environmental
quality
act,
so
it
just
provides
a
tool
for
cities
that
want
to
do
that.
So
there's
no
there's
no
requirement
that
that
cities
do
this
or
you
know-
or
you
know,
take
on
these
types
of
rezonings
unless
they
really
want
to.
D
D
Just
this,
the
you
know
the
adu
laws
have
been
in
effect
for
a
number
of
years
and
they
were
recently
updated
in
2020,
and
then
the
city
of
san
bruno
adopted
the
essentially
the
state
law
for
accessory
dwelling
units,
and
so
it
allows
for
accessory
dwelling
units
and
junior
accessory
dwelling
units
which
are
within
a
structure
to
be
built
in
in
a
jurisdiction.
D
So
within
san
bruno
prior
to
the
law
change.
I
think
the
city
was
averaging
about
10
to
13
accessory
dwelling
units
in
2020,
the
city
experienced
a
spike
in
adu
production.
There
were
43
units
created
and
then
in
2021
and
we're
not
even
done
with
the
year.
D
Yet
it's
an
additional
43
applications
that
we've
received
and
again
those
are
ministerial,
so
they're
processed
by
just
a
billing
permit,
and
you
know
so
those
the
planning
this
the
architecture,
view
committee
or
the
planning
commission,
don't
don't
end
up
seeing
those
those
applications
and
just
a
reminder
that
the
et
cetera
going
units
can
be
detached
attached,
interior
or
also
be
a
conversion
of
a
garage
space
or
other
existing
space.
D
So
senate
bill
35
is
a
streamlined,
affordable,
housing
law.
It
was
enacted
in
2017
and
became
acted
effective
in
january
1st
of
2018.
D
It
allows
eligible
residential
projects
to
be
processed
ministerially,
meaning
without
a
review
by
decision-making
bodies
in
urbanized
areas
where
cities
did
not
produce
enough
housing
to
meet
their
regional
housing
needs
assessment
numbers
in
the
current
housing
cycle,
so
for
san
bruno
did,
you
know,
did
not
meet
its
current
arena
allocation
by
no
fault
of
the
cities.
You
know
again.
D
Cities
are
only
required
to
designate
properties
for
housing
development
within
the
the
housing
element
cycle
and
then
it's
up
to
the
price.
You
know
basically
private
developers
and
the
development
community
to
come
forward
to
develop
those
sites.
So,
but
you
know
be
that
what
it
is
you
know
most
most
jurisdictions
in
the
state
are
in
the
same
situation,
meaning
that
they
have
to
basically
accept
these
sv-35
type
projects.
D
So
these
projects
can
only
be
reviewed
by
what
are
called
objective
design
standards.
Those
are
any
standards
that
the
city
has
in
place
at
the
time
the
application
is
made
in
the
case
of
san
bruno.
This
the
city
is
fortunate
to
have
a
transit
quarter
specific
plan,
which
is
the
location
of
where
many
of
these
types
of
applications
may
be
made.
D
Time
will
tell
how
how
it
plays
out,
but
anyway,
that's
that's
the
basis
of
senate
bill
35.
There
are
some
time
frames
within
the
law
where
jurisdictions
have
essentially
six
days
to
review
the
the
application
for
their
these
objective
design,
standards
and,
and
then
another
30
days
to
basically
review
the
application.
If
it's
under
150
dwelling
units-
and
you
know
so
that
so
there's
some
very
tight
time
frames
here-
and
I
and
also
no
parking
as
mentioned
as
shown
in
the
slide.
D
So
the
housing
accountability
act
and
senate
bill
330
were
enacted
into
law
in
2017
and
amended
in
2021,
and
it
applies
to
any
any
developments
of
two
or
more
units
and
a
number
of
other
type
of
types
of
types
of
residential
developments
and
oops.
I'm
sorry,
I
apologize
here.
My
my
cursor
is
a
little
too
too
easy
to
move
here,
so
it
it
affects
the
jurisdiction's
ability
to
approve
and
or
disapprove
development,
and
the
only
standard
is
whether
that
can
be
applied.
D
Is
whether
this
the
jurisdiction
can
prove
that
the
development
will
have
an
unavoidable
impact
on
public
health
and
safety.
So
so,
as
you
can
see,
the
kind
of
the
five
main
points
on
the
bottom
of
the
slide.
It
lends
the
jurisdiction's
ability
to
disprove
projects
prevents
jurisdictions
from
increasing
fees
after
an
application
is
submitted,
they're
they're,
it
limits
the
number
of
public
hearings
to
five.
D
D
Prevent
cities
and
counties
from
creating
building
limits,
such
as
a
you
know,
a
moratorium
on
the
number
of
units
that
could
be
could
be
built
within
a
period.
D
The
state
density
bonus
law
has
is,
has
been
been
used.
It
is
starting
to
be
used
more
and
more
by
jurisdictions.
D
They
can
get
more
units
based
on
the
the
level
of
the
number
of
affordable
units
and
the
and
the
the
depth
of
the
affordability
so
and
it's
based
on
a
sliding
scale,
and
there
were
recent
amendments
to
the
to
the
density
bonus
law
in
2020
that
even
provide
greater
incentives
for
developers
that
are
work
more
units
for
developers
up
to
80,
an
80
percent
density
bonus
for
certain
types
of
100
percent,
affordable
projects
and
including
senior
housing
projects.
So
that's
a
significant
difference
from
what
local
jurisdictions
zoning
and
development
standards
would
allow.
D
So
that's
that's
significant
in
the
case,
I
think
I'll
make
it
just
make
a
comment.
That's
pertinent
to
bruno.
So,
under
our
transit
quarters
plan
we
have
a
height
limit
of
70
feet
for
the
transit
oriented
development
zone
along
el
camino,
for
example
on
san
bruno
avenue,
and
they
there
there
is
no
density
maximum
if
the
lot's
more
than
20
000
square
feet.
So
what
so,
so
the
developer
may
may
not
approach
the
city.
D
If
they
are
developing
one
of
those
in
one
of
those
areas
to
actually
get
more
units
in
some
jurisdictions,
there's
a
there's,
a
density
limit
on
the
number
of
units,
but
what
they
may
do
instead
is
just
ask
for
what
are
called
incentives
and
concessions
from
various
zoning
standards.
D
D
In
those
situations-
and
you
know
again,
it's
it
would
be
up
to
the
city
to
you
know
to
to
demonstrate
that
there's
the
health
safety
welfare
impact
to
the
project.
If,
if
there's
a,
you
know
when,
when
one
of
these
concessions
is
asked
for
or
waivers.
D
Okay,
I
know
I've
provided
you
with
an
immense
amount
of
information,
and
so
you
know
we'd
be
happy
to
open
it
up
for
any
questions
you
have,
and
I
don't
know
if
we've
got
anyone
from
the
public
present
at
this
time.
F
Yeah
a
couple
questions
the
height
limit,
a
lot
of
buildings.
I've
worked
on
because
they're
near
airports,
they
had
height
limits
that
superseded
anything
that
a
particular
city
had.
Is
there
anything
like
that,
being
you
know
so
close
to
sfo.
That
would
supersede
any
of
these
height
exceeding
provisions
that
you
talked
about.
F
That's
a
very
good
question:
no
there
you
cannot
exceed
a
you
know:
an
faa
established
high
height
limit.
You
know
how
far
that
extends.
Is
it
just
101
or
is
it
further
into
the
city?
Well,
the
there's
a
conical
surface
that
extends
up
from
the
runways.
D
So
there's
you
know
so
the
height
the
allowed
height
varies
depending
you
know
how
close
you
are
to
the
airport,
the
other.
The
other
component
is
the
noise
contour.
So
you
know
portions
of
town
are
within
the
70
to
75
decibel
noise
contour,
so
based
on
the
airport,
land
use,
commission
standards
and
plan
residential
and
incompatible
use.
However,
the
city
could
still
approve
housing
in
those
areas
with
sound.
You
know,
mitigation
and
an
override
of
the
aluc,
so
developers
can
still
propose
projects
within
those
areas.
However,
there's
those
additional.
F
Hurdles
but
but
the
height
limit
cannot
that
conical
surface
cannot
be
exceeded.
Is
there
a
a
map?
Maybe
in
the
future
a
future
meeting?
You
could
present
us
showing
where
that
yes,
yeah
absolutely
yeah,
we
have
we
have
now.
We
have
the
maps
from
the
airport
plan.
B
Sure
I'm
understanding
right!
Okay,
let
me
I
guess
I
could
go
back
to
if
I
can
find
it.
D
F
Yeah
so
the
right
hand,
side,
you've
got
the
before
sp9
and
after
sb9,
and
obviously
the
buildings
are
different,
but
the
orange
one
on
the
right
also
shows
a
whole
bunch
of
cars
where
the
other
one's
was.
F
Particular
why
we're
doing
that
other
than
I
know
you
mentioned
the
parking
off-site
parking
or
something
is
so.
Those
restrictions
have
been
lacked,
but
is
there
anything
in
there
about,
like
only
people
who
live
in
these
lots
should
be
able
to
park
their
cars
they're
like
a
sticker
program
or
something
because
I
could
see
this
getting
really
out
of
hand
with
so
many
different
people
living
in
a
50
foot
wide
lot
with
you
know
two
or
three
cars
in
each
lot,
and
you
know
it
could
be
a
recipe
for
disaster.
F
D
D
D
So
if
someone
does
choose
to
build
four
units,
they
could
satisfy
their
parking
with
a
two-car
garage,
two-car,
driveway
or
or
cam.
You
know
a
tandem
situation
as
well.
So
yes,
you
could
see
this
one.
D
One
thing
to
just
mention
is
that
the
you
know
the
city
does:
have
its
municipal
code
a
a,
I
guess,
a
an
allowance
for
residential
parking
permits,
but
that
has
that
would
have
to
be
initiated.
You
know
by
a
neighborhood
to
the
planning
commission,
I'm
sorry
to
the
city
council.
So
there
isn't
a
pro.
It
is
a
process
too.
You
know,
with
the
with
the
majority
of
residents
within
a
neighborhood,
to
request.
F
Residential
parking
permits,
however,
the
difficult
part
of
that
is.
You
cannot
use
those
permits
necessarily
to
restrict
new
residents
from
parking
or
having
access
to
those
permits.
So
you
know,
getting
you
know,
putting
a
neighborhood
under
parking
permits
may
not
help
solve
the
issue
for
existing
residents.
So
you
know
again.
These
are
things
that
the
states.
F
You
know
doesn't
allow
jurisdictions
to
do
okay,
one
more
on
this
slide.
So
there's
a
couple
of
lots
on
here
where
the
original
house,
instead
of
splitting
in
two
smaller
houses,
is
just
getting
bigger.
Are
there
any
rest?
Are
there
any
changes
to
what
you
know
if
he's
making
a
single
family
home
larger,
like
are
the
setback
requirements
all
the
same,
I
know
we
have
a
bunch
of
rules.
F
Almost
everything
that
comes
to
the
planning
commission
is
because
someone's
enlarging
their
house
50
more
than
what
it
is
now
seems
like
that's
pretty
much.
The
only
type
of
project
we'd
be
reviewing
from
now
on.
Is
that
a
fair
statement.
D
Yes,
so
you
know
again
with
the
allowance
for
adus
and
junior
adus,
that
you
know
that
that
basically
only
require
building
permits
and
and
they
have
to
be
allowed
and
permitted
by
the
jurisdiction.
D
You
know
we
can't
you
know,
review
them
against
the
city's
residential
time
guidelines
and
and
floor
area
requirements,
and
I
know
the
arc
just
recently
reviewed
a
home
that
had
an
internal
crawl
space
that
was
not
used
as
habitable
space.
However,
you
know
in
those
types
of
situations
if
the
homeowner
comes
in
with
a
permit
for
a
junior
adu
within
the
footprint
of
the
building,
you
know
we're
required
to
issue
the
permit,
so
the
you
know
so
floor
area
issue.
D
You
know
again
some
of
these
laws,
I
think,
will
will
kind
of
somewhat
bypass
some
of
the
city's
floor
area.
Restrictions
or
reviews
related
to
additional
floor
area.
F
Right,
I
guess
what
I
meant
is
that
all,
if
you
just
want
to
make
your
house
bigger
and
not
put
an
adu
or
junior
edu,
all
the
same
rules
that
we've
been
following
supply.
Correct,
yes,
correct
correct!
So
the
potential
for
abuse
is
for
someone
to
put
a
junior
adu
or
a
attached
adu,
get
everything
approved
and
then
knock
down
some
walls
and
make
it
just
part
of
their
house
correct.
F
Unless
someone
wheels
on
them,
okay,
all
right
on
slide
nine,
you
could
go
that
one.
F
So
this
these
lots
with
10
unit
apartments
in
red
next
to
an
existing
house
that
is
not
altered
in
any
way.
This
is
really
the
law
I
mean
this
could
ruin
neighborhoods.
I
mean
yeah.
D
D
Process
of
a
zone
change,
so
if,
if
jurisdictions,
desire
to
re-zone
residential
single-handedly
residential
neighborhoods
close
to
transit
for
small
apartment
buildings,
they
the
jurisdiction
can
can
basically
set
the
rules
for
that
type
of
rezoning.
So
it
doesn't
need
to
be
for
10
units
if
you're,
if
the
jurisdiction
wants
to
say,
allow
for
five
units
or
six
units
and
stay
within
that
area
and
re-zone,
an
area
that
the
process
of
rezoning
is
would
be
exempt
from
the
california
environmental
quality
act.
So
all
it's
doing
is
it's
it's.
D
F
Okay,
that's
good
because
I
could
see
this
crushing
property
values.
C
All
rose,
I
see
your
hand,
is
up
here
the
next
in
line
yeah,
I
I'm
a
little
disciplined
in
the
the
images
that
are
sourced
for
these
slides
because
they're
from
groups
that
were
lobbying
against
the
laws
and
they're
actively
misinformational,
I
mean
the
se10
one
in
particular,
being
a
completely
opt-in
process.
C
You
know,
if
you
don't
want
to
zone
for
10
unit
apartments
in
a
neighborhood,
then
don't
zone
for
that.
It's
giving
cities
a
tool
that
actually
gives
them
more
flexibility,
not
less
on
the
height
limits.
I
know
we
have
some.
C
You
know
five
six
story,
apartments
down
in
burlingame
at
a
comparable
distance
from
the
airport.
I
mean-
I
don't
know
if
you
do
know
offhand,
but
I
was
curious
to
the
answer
to
question
like.
Are
we
anywhere
close
to
hitting
that
surface?
My
understanding
is
we're,
probably
not
anywhere,
but
maybe
in
the
northeast
corner
of
the
city.
C
Yeah
and
we'd
have
to
check
to
check
that
okay,
so
yeah,
my
back
of
the
envelope.
My
understanding
is
that,
even
with
I
mean
whatever
bonuses,
whatever
maximum,
you
could
propose
like
they
were
nowhere
near
hitting
that
surface,
and
it's
not
going
to
be
relevant
on
the
sb
35
topic.
I
did
just
I
mean
if
you
look
at
what
we
proposed
to
do
in
the
transit
orders
plan.
C
I
think
you
would
probably
agree
with
again
a
little
back
the
envelope
map
that
if
we
had
actually
built
out
the
transit
corridor
to
the
density,
we
said
we
wanted
to
whatever
that
was
six
seven
eight
years
ago,
we
would
not
be
behind
on
our
arena
number.
Then
we
would
not
be
subject
to
sb
35.
Would
you
generally
agree
with
that?
C
Yeah,
it
would
have,
it
would
have.
Essentially
you
know,
yeah
depending
on
the
level
of
affordability,
it
would
have
yeah.
I
mean
again
to
be
fair
depending
on
including
the
vi
units
and
so
on,
but
the
raw
number
of
units
is
more
than
that,
and
so
I
I
think
you
know
I'm
not
super
pleased
to
see
us
lose
discretion,
but
there's
a
question
of
how
we
use
our
discretion.
C
I
believe
the
density
bonus
law-
I
don't
know
if
you
know
the
history
of
this.
I
think
my
understanding
is
that
it's
based
in
a
fairly
successful
san,
diego
program
that
was
sort
of
piloted
down
in
socal
and
they
it
was
adopted
at
the
state
level,
because
san
diego
was
showing
better
progress
on
producing
affordable
units
compared
to
la
and
san
francisco
and
sacramento
that
that's
sort
of
the
I
don't
know
if
you're
familiar
with
any
of
that
history
or
no,
no,
I
apologize.
I
don't
have
a
history
of
it.
C
My
understanding
is
there
were
there
was
evidence
for
this
being
an
effective
way
to
help
produce
the
affordable
units
that
I
think
everybody
agrees
with
need,
and
I
and
I
one
thing
I
did
want
to
include
in
my
presentation,
but
it
is
since
the
city
of
san
bruno
has
a
15,
affordable
requirements.
C
You
know
built
into
the
code
that
you
know
so
developers
have
to
provide
those
units,
so
I
think
that's
also
going
to
incentivize
density
vote.
Naturally
incentivize
density
bonuses,
since
they
can
basically,
basically
you
know,
offset
the
cost
or
of
of
those
units.
You
know
that
they're
already
required
for
buy,
so
I
think
it's
my
last
comment
or
something
you
maybe
want
to
clarify
my
understanding
of
the
housing
accountability
act
from
what
I
have
read.
C
So
I
think
the
probably
the
most
notorious
application
of
the
housing
accountability
act
is
the
saga
that
was
chronicled
in
the
new
york
times
about
the
terraces
of
lafayette,
in
which
the
city
and
developer
had
agreed
to
downscale
a
project.
The
developer
basically
didn't
want
the
headache
and
attempted
to
agree
to
downsize
a
project
that
had
been
proposed
that
met
all
of
the
objective
standards
that
was
within
the
zoning
and
the
housing
accountability
act.
C
Lawsuit
was
brought
on
behalf
of
the
potential
tenants
of
the
project,
not
on
behalf
of
the
developer
that,
even
though
the
developer
wanted
to
make
the
concession,
a
private
law
firm
can
bring
on
behalf
of
the
future
tenants
they
like.
We
would
like
this
housing
to
exist
because
it
will
make
our
rent
cheaper,
and
so
it's
important
to
remember
that
the
housing
accountability
act
is
not
a
tool
of
developers.
It
is
a
tool
that
the
state
of
california
has
given
to
create
a
right
of
action
on
behalf
of
the
people
of
california.
B
E
Yeah
mine
is
fairly
simple.
Michael
had
mentioned
the
lifespan
of
the
bill
when
talking
about
sb9,
and
I
didn't
realize
that
there
were
life
bans
on
bills.
I
just
figured
it
was
this
magical
thing
that
lasted
forever
and
I
was
wondering
if
how
that
relates
to
sb9
and
the
other
bills
yeah,
and
I
I
apologize
for
the
misunderstanding,
so
the
bill
itself
doesn't
doesn't
have
you
know
it
doesn't
sunset.
D
So
it's
you
know
good
good
until
it's
amended,
but
the
research
that
was
done
by
the
turner
center
was
just
projecting
out
what
they
did
is
they
took.
You
know
kind
of
all
of
the
entire
state
of
california.
D
They
first
looked
at
all
the
feasible
lots
that
may
be
feasible
to
the
subdivide
under
sb9,
so
that
kind
of
brings
the
pool
of
lots
down
so
for
san
bruno,
it
went
from,
say,
8,
600
down
to
8,
400,
feasible
tech
lots
and
then
they
looked
at
market
conditions.
D
You
know
you
know
housing
prices,
construction
prices
and
you
know
and
then
also
kind
of
the
you
know
how
how
many
people
realistically
would
want
to
pursue
something
like
this.
So
the
number
in
the
number
that
was
presented
for
san
bruno
was
was
500.
so
that
that
number
just
simply
means
that
you
know
at
the
current
time
you
know
maybe
up
to
500
of
the
8
600
residential
lots.
D
You
know,
may
pursue
some
type
of
subdivision
or
addition
of
additional
units,
and
you
know
we've
already
seen
you
know
well
over
100
adus
so
again,
web
and
adus
are
probably
much
more
attractive
to
the
average
homeowner
than
the
sb9
process.
So
again,
that's
just
you
know.
That
was
just
information
that
was
produced.
A
If
you
would
yeah
so
you
know
it's
so
interesting
to
listen
to
all
of
this,
because
you
know
as
a
commissioner
for
a
long
time,
there's
a
way,
a
culture
and
a
training
and
knowledge
we've
received
along
the
way
and
the
planning
commission,
instant
institutes
and
going
to
them
and
how
lay
of
land
and
progression
how
all
the
planning
goes
with
it,
and
so
I
can't
help
but
think
about
this.
A
A
How
can
we
plan
accordingly
and
not
just
look
at
this
project
by
project,
but
looking
no
looking
at
this
from
a
bigger
picture
and-
and
and
it
really
I
mean,
there's
a
huge
change
here
and
also
our
demographics
there's
a
time
I
don't
know
specifically
right
now,
but
it
was
a
time
that
it
was
an
older
population
or
you
know
one
time
it
was
very
family-oriented,
there's
just
different
trends
that
have
happened
over
a
lifetime
and
so
looking
at
this.
What
does
this
do?
Does
it
bring
in
younger
people?
A
Does
this
bring
more
aging
population
what's
going
to
take
place,
and
so
I'd
like
to
think
about
this
to
say:
okay,
it's
a
law,
you
don't
have
a
choice,
so
be
able
to
think
about
it
rather
than
from
a
negative
point
of
view
and
thinking.
Okay,
not
in
my
backyard,
and
I
just
counted
because
I
own
four
commercial
pieces
of
property
on
santa
anna's
and
my
my
school
building,
it's
a
private
school
has
been
there
for
70
years.
A
Oh
actually,
the
school's
been
there
some
years
but
1962,
and
so
I
know
that
community
I
was
there
45
years
living
it
every
day
and
they're
nine
street
account
of
them
nine
streets
that
have
such
a
huge
mixture
of
apartment
buildings,
a
variety
of
unique
ways
of
living
in
that
space
and
leaning
to
accommodate,
but
it
just
it
came
about
along
the
way,
and
I
I
hope
that
as
this
progresses
that
we're
not
going
to
be
doing
this
any
on
a
application
by
application.
A
But
taking
a
look
at
how
do
we
want
to
develop
this?
And
we
have
these
long
conversations.
I
mean
I've
been
on
the
commission
31
years
and
long
conversations
about
san
mateo,
different
things
being
done,
and
yet
we're
not
moving
forward
and
the
way
the
discussions
have
tried
to
try
to
think
about
our
different
communities
within
our
city.
So
it's
it's.
A
You
know
it's
it's
a
huge
deal,
it's
a
huge
deal
to
think
about
this,
and
and
and
we
don't
have
a
choice,
but
we
do
have
a
choice.
How
we
want
to
give
a
big,
a
bigger
picture,
thought
study,
sessions,
figuring
things
out,
and
maybe
that
isn't
a
choice.
I
really
don't
know
that
you
know
this
is
new
to
us,
but
I'd
like
to
think
about
as
they
come
up.
You
know
when
I
look
at
that
slide
seven
and
slide
nine.
I
mean
they
look.
A
I
can
remember
on
sneeze
lane
when
it
used
to
be
nursery
a
row
of
nursery
nursery
system.
It
was
all
just
buildings
where
there
was
a
lot
of
greenery
and
landscaping.
It
was
all
just
nurseries
and
then
there
was
the
at
the
orchid
place
on
el
camino.
A
You
know
one
of
the
slides
talked
about
affordability.
It
talked
about
just
different
ways
of
putting
things
together,
but
when
I
see
those
slides,
seven
and
nine,
I
grew
up
in
the
mission.
My
husband
grew
up
in
hunters
points,
project
area
and
we
were
across
different
projects.
We
saw
what
happens
when
there's
massive
kinds
of
things.
Now
it's
a
different
era,
a
different
timing
and
I'm
not
at
all
discriminating.
A
A
You
know
to
me
this
looked
like
barracks,
you
know
it
looked
like,
and
I
know
you
got
these
slides
they're,
not
they're,
not
what's
planned,
but
they
and
also
the
other
thing
that
I
saw
was
we
have
been
trained
to
look
at
much
more
greenery.
Much
more,
you
know,
percentage
of
of
you
know
permeable
space
in
all
kinds
of
things:
to
make
an
environment
look
much
more
curb
appeal,
attractive,
sustainable
all
those
types
of
things
and
the
other
slides
showed
a
tremendous
amount
of
reduction
in
in
that
greenery
about
landscaping.
A
So
I
I
just
think
that
if
we
start
taking
this
project
one
by
one
we're
going
to
end
up
with
a
bunch
of
chopped
up
kinds
of
stuff,
and
so
I'd
like
to
be
sure
that
as
a
community,
the
city
of
san
bruno
community,
the
city
with
the
heart
that
we're
really
thinking
about
this
from
a
bigger
picture,
point
of
view,
the
thought
of
of
not
doing
it
with
some
and
our
commission
changes
and
takes
place.
But
I
don't
think
anyone
would
be
a
guest
saying.
A
Let's
look
at
this
a
livable
place
together
and
it's
huge.
I
think
this
is
a
huge
change
and
a
way
of
living
in
our
community
and
we
are
changing.
Life
is
different
than
it
was.
You
know
I
I'm
old
enough
to
be
able
to
speak
to
those
kinds
of
things,
and
I
can
also
see
that
it'd
be
a
great,
a
great
opportunity
to
create
wonderful
spaces
for
children.
You
when
you
start
having
massive
places
like
this,
you
start
having
what
feels
like
unsafe
conditions
and
then
you're
starting
to
hibernate
in
houses.
A
Surely,
by
outside
you
start
to
change
your
your
your
city,
your
communities,
so
I
think
that
from
a
consciousness
you
know
being
conscious
in
this
process.
I
can't
be
unconscionable
in
doing
and
not
doing
something
without
getting
it.
Some
big
picture
planning.
So
anyway,
that's
what
I
have
to
say-
and
I
I
love
change,
but
I
love
change
with
good
thought,
good
planning
and
so
some
things
I
never
want
to
change,
but
I
think
that
change
is
inevitable
and
we
can't
ever
stop
building
and
changing
a
community
we'll
do
that.
A
We
can't
we
will
stagnate
and
we
will
become
a
town
of
no
growth,
and
you
know
I
know
what
happens
to
chances
of
zero
opportunity
or
people
who
just
really
look
at
no
just
flat.
No,
I'm
excited
to
think
about
our
city
that
it's
exciting
to
think
about
children
and
families,
because
that's
really
really
what
it's
about
children
and
families
become
senior
citizens
at
one
point,
and
anyway,
that's
what
I
have
to
say.
Thank
you
for
listening.
A
B
D
Yes,
you
can
count
them
up
in
in
the
arena,
so
I
you
know,
as
you
know,
san
bruno
has
a
huge
arena.
Number
of
6
100,
I
believe,
is
the
number
that
we
need
to
show
locations
for
in
the
next
next
housing
element
cycle.
We're
allowed
to
use
an
average
of
the
past
several
years,
so
you
know
so
right
now.
That
average
is
looking
like
about
43
or
40
units,
then
projected
over
an
eight
year
period.
So
you
know
possibly
300.
D
D
You
know,
we'll
be
having
study
sessions
and
other
types
of
meetings
surrounding
the
housing
element
and
its
preparation
and
the
housing
sites,
and
I
think
we
may
try
to
have-
I
think,
we're
gonna,
probably
start
with
the
city
council
at
the
end
of
january,
with
a
with
a
a
study
session
to
kind
of
initiate
the
the
housing
element
process
and
the
housing
element
sites.
So.
B
Sorry,
I'm
I'm
I'm
rambling
as
an
answer
to
your
question,
so
the
answer
is
yes,
okay.
So
the
next
question
I
have
is
we're
doing
a
lot
of
legislation
here
and
pushing
for
development.
What
can
we
do
to
encourage
people
to
build
these
things?
I
mean
we
can
legislate,
10
000
100
000
units,
but
if
no
one's
inspired
to
build
these
things,
if
it's
not
economically
sensible
for
someone
to
build
they're
not
going
to
build
it,
so
what
can
we
do
to
make
it
easier
for
people
or
more
incentivize
for
people
to
build
these
things?
B
Well,
I
I
think
we're.
D
The
city's
in
the
midst
of
it
is
going
to
be
a
midst
of
a
very
large
building
boom.
Even
I've
only
been
here
a
few
weeks
and
the
number
of
calls
that
I'm
getting
you
know
for
housing
sites
and
development
of
sites
within
the
transit
quarters
plan.
D
You
know
the
things
that
things
are
are
starting
to
to
happen,
and
I
you
know
I
would
say
that
you,
the
community,
has
done.
I
think
the
best
it
can
with
what
and
I
think
it's
a
very
good
really.
All
that
really
is
needed
is
the
transit
corridor
plan,
because
you
know
developers
look
for
look
for
plans
like
this,
that
that
lay
out
the
locations
for
development
you
know
for
them.
So
you
know
a
lot
of
the
the
new
housing
laws.
D
B
Have
the
ability
to
be
built
for
residential
or
mixed
use
at
densities
that
you
know
make
sense
for
the
developers,
so
I
think
again,
I
think
you're
going
to
be
seeing
you've
opened
the
door
through
the
transit
corridor
plan.
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
the
last
part
of
my
questions
this
evening
is
thinking
about
this.
From
the
staff's
point
of
view,
this
is
coming
what
january
22,
I
believe.
B
So
I'm
imagining
myself
standing
behind
the
planning
counter
having
to
answer
questions
from
citizens
about
all
of
this,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
we
can
take
maybe
some
of
tonight's
program-
that's
a
slideshow
or
put
together
a
web
page
of
some
sort
so
that
we
make
it
easier
for
staff
for
them
to
be
able
to
refer
folks
to
the
changes.
B
If
that
makes
sense,
you
know
I'm
just
thinking
about
trying
to
make
things
easier
for
staff.
I
mean
there's
probably
going
to
be
more
than
one
or
two
people
who
come
to
the
counter
and
want
to
know
why
there's
something
happening
next
door
and
if
you
had
some
get
something
already
created
that
you
could
just
refer
them
to,
they
might
save
staff
a
lot
of
time.
B
E
E
Kind
of
in
the
spirit
of
what
we
were
just
talking
about,
I
think
it
would
be
great
to
also
maybe
get
ahead
and
help
to
educate
people
in
our
community
about
these
changes
could
potentially
mean
to
us,
and
so,
when
things
when
developments
do
start,
trickling
in
that
look
different
than
people
may
expect
is
how
we
can
kind
of
educate
them
on
on.
Why
and
how
and
what
it
means
to
them.
E
I
know
that
the
city
managers,
what
are
these
things
called.
E
Sorry,
my
vocabulary
is
gone
now.
I
used
some
new
words
already
his
newsletters
his
newsletters
tend
to
cover
some
pertinent
things.
That
might
be
a
nice
way.
Something
of
that
of
that
nature
to
to
reach
focus
about
these
kinds
of
changes
or
maybe
actually
maybe
the
newspapers
will
do
it,
but
sorry,
just
in
that
same
spirit,
but
I
throw
that
out
there.
A
Since,
since
this
is
going,
you
know
starting
in
january,
we
know
what
the
energy
was
when
the
mills
park
project
was
in
place,
and
there
were
so
so
many
people
that
had
said
they
hadn't
even
heard
about
it,
and
we
had
had
many
community
meetings,
but
we're
going
to
have
that
happen,
but
because,
if
it
is
going
to
go
into
implement
january,
then
it's
a
very
short
time
frame.
A
So
I
think
part
of
it
is
that
talking
points
for
us
would
be
really
useful
if
there's
any
opportunity
to
have
ways
that
we
could
be
speak
from
the
point
of
things
that
are
not
that
are
beyond
our
control,
since
it
is,
it
is
a
it
is
a
law.
So
that
way
we
are
at
least
on
the
same
page,
about
being
able
to
get
the
message
out
there.
A
We
have
our
own
opinions
and
our
own
feelings
on
that,
but
I
think,
as
I
think
that
it's
always
it's
my
responsibility
as
a
commissioner
to
try
to
convey
as
much
information
from
a
point
of
not
creating
energy,
that's
going
to
stir
up,
but
to
educate
and
and
then
listen
to
people's
feelings.
Listen
to
what's
taking
place
and
and
try
to
walk
in
that
direction.
A
B
You
got
it
michael.
Maybe
we
could
look
at
making
that
sort
of
information
available
to
all
the
commissioners
so
that,
like
mary
says,
we
feel
when
people
approach
us
and
talk
to
us.
We
have
a
resource
to
direct
them
to
perhaps
yeah.
I
think
we
could
you
know
just
repackage
and
I
you
know
I
apologize.
We
weren't
able
to
give
you
a
staff
report.
D
D
For
you
you
know
just
so.
You
know
that
they
how
they
apply.
You
know-
and
I
I
did
want
to
mention
too,
that
we
did
if
you
had,
if
you
did
either
participate
in
the
meeting
or
I
believe
it
may
have
been
on
the
in
the
city
manager's
newsletter.
The
city
has
received
that
we
have
received
our
first
sc35
application
for
136
unit
project
at
732
through
740
el
camino.
D
It's
the
vacant
lot
to
the
south
of
the
former
toyota
building,
so
that
you
know
is
a
as
a
as
a
project
that
you
know,
staff
will
be
processing
and
again
it's
it's
not
subject
to
discretionary
approval,
so
we're
currently
reviewing
that
internally,
but
there
there
are
some
images
on
the
website
for
that.
For
that
project.
B
C
But
you
know
the
the
mills
park
project
was
shortly
before
my
time
on
the
commission
and
I
I
really
believe
that
that
was
a
you
know
as
acrimonious
as
it
was
it's
a
better
project
for
the
input
of
the
public
and
the
planning
commission
that
I
think
you
know
some
of
the
things
like
the
way
it's
sucked
down
to
protect
light
access
on
the
back
side
towards
the
neighborhood.
There's
like
a
lot
of
features
of
it.
That
are
good.
C
And
if
you
compare
what
was
the
the
sb-35
project
that
was
sort
of
held
as
a
threat,
I
mean
my
impression
from
talking
to
people.
Is.
It
was
purely
a
threat
and
they
didn't
actually
want
to
spend
the
money
to
fully
do
all
the
structural
engineering
to
produce
it,
but
that
they
wanted
to
hold
it
over
the
city
to
take
up
their
project
finished.
C
But
because
of
how
that
saga
went.
We're
now
probably
going
to
see
more
mp35
projects,
and
unless
we
can
get
our
act
together
to
produce
a
housing
element
next
year
and
actually
start
building
things
and
meet
our
arena
numbers.
That's
that's
what
we're
gonna
get
we're
gonna
have
featureless
boxes.
Instead
of
you
know,
attractive
step
down,
you
know
carve
in
public
parks.
C
E
Yesterday,
so
you
had
just
mentioned
that
by
producing
our
numbers,
that
will
help
to
help
to
keep
us
out
of
the
sb
35
types
of
things.
I'm
sorry
can
you
elaborate
on
that?
Is
this
sp
35?
Is
that
when,
when
you're
behind
on
your
numbers
that
kicks
in
yeah.
D
And
so
yeah,
so
the
way
the
way
this
will
probably
play
out
is
that
you
know
we
are
in
the
you
know,
basically
the
last
year
of
our
current
housing
element
with
with
the
lower
lower
arena
number.
D
So
when
our
the
new
housing
element
with
this,
the
6
000
units,
6100
units
goes
into
effect
in
you
know,
in
2022
we're
going
to
have
you
know:
hcd
housing
and
community
development
is
going
to
be
evaluating
our
progress
towards
meeting
that
number
at
at
some
intervals,
along
the
eight-year
cycle
of
that
next
housing
element.
D
So
it
may
not
be
until
we're
four
years
into
that
cycle
to
see
if
we've
produced
say
you
know
over
three
thousand
of
those
units
before
you
know
we
may
that
we
may
not,
then
be
you
know.
D
You
know,
subject
to
sb35,
so
you
know
so
that's
you
know
that
you
know
that's
how
it
that's
how
it
may
play
out.
So
it
may
be
a
very
long
time
before
you
know,
before
there's
there's
and
by
then.
E
There
may
be,
you
know,
with
the
number
of
housing
law
changes
that
are
occurring
every
year.
You
know
it
may
be
a
whole
different
kind
of
environment
at
that
point.
So
it's
hard
it's
hard
to
it's
hard
to
say,
okay,
but
we're
in
sp
35
territory
now,
and
it
may
be
at
least
midway
through
the
next
housing
elements.
Eight
year
cycle
that
we
may
actually
see
release
from
that
yeah.
So
at
least
the
next
five
years
will
be,
except
you
know,
we'll
be
needing
to
accept.
F
D
Know
I
know
that's
a
complicated
project
before
my
time
as
well.
So
I
you
know,
I
don't
have
a.
I
have
a
good
answer
on
that.
One:
okay,
through.
F
This
thing,
could
you
know
I
heard
everybody's
saying,
but
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
potential,
for
you
know
like
just
in
my
neighborhood
in
rollingwood,
the
people
start
splitting
their
lots
up.
I
could
see
a
lot
of
people
just
doing
that
selling
and
leaving
and
because
it's
just
not
the
same
neighborhood
and
you
know
it's
not
something
we
really
correct.
It
seems,
but
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
make
any
people
less
angry
just
because
we
have
some
youtube
video.
F
Oh
it's
out
of
our
control
or
here
go
look
at
this
on
the
website.
There's
nothing
we
can
do.
I
think
it's
it's
just
kind
of
a
blanket
plan.
That
is
a
little
too
in
general
for
my
liking
anyway,
but
sounds
like
we're
stuck
with
it
and
I
can
see
a
lot
of
abuse.
A
Mary
yeah
no
number
of
years
ago
on
san
benito
right
behind
my
skulls.
There
are
houses
that
had
split.
There
were
split
houses,
split
owners
of
those
houses
and
for
the
longest
time
the
developer
was
dennis
jordan
and
he
he
developed
the
two
houses
and
he
and
had
hoped
it
would
just
one
family
would
move
into
them,
couldn't
sell
them,
couldn't
sell
them.
So
he
split
them
and
there's
a
couple
of
them
that
are
split
that
way
and
it's
just
interesting
to
watch
how
they
worked
it
out
and
going
to
australia.
A
My
children
lived
there
and
going
to
australia,
there's
a
huge
amount
of
that
going
down
a
small
little
pathway
and
there's
houses
there
in
that
area.
If
it's
built
under
those
conditions
for
that
purpose,
it
can
really
work.
But
if
it's,
if
it's
just
someone
decides
just
to
maximize
opportunity,
then
it
creates
it
creates
a
different
environment.
That's
what
I
was
trying
to
say
earlier.
A
I
wasn't
trying
to
when
I
was
saying
that
before
lost
I
own
in
san
bruno
there's
such
a
huge
mix
of
development,
there
are
apartment
buildings,
huge
houses,
lots,
lots
of
apartments
and
a
lot
of
single
dwelling
mixed
right
in
there,
and
so
whether
it's
it's
bet's
news-
I
don't
know,
but
I
think
this
is
a
time
that
this
is
important.
Just
as
commissioner
madden
was
saying
it
will
you
know
some
of
these
home
places,
have
larger
laws
and
to
start
breaking
them
up
into
two.
A
It
starts
to
change
things,
so
I
look
forward
to
thinking
about
this
in
a
bigger
and
bigger
way.
Thank
you.
B
B
I
don't
I
don't
know
what
I
want
to
say,
but
it's
like.
I
hope
we
continue
to
do
the
kind
of
work
that
we've
done
up
to
now,
and
I
don't
want
to
see
anyone
get
disheartened
and
walk
away
from
the
commission
because
we're
all
talented
people,
we've
all
been
locked
at
the
table,
and
I
appreciate
I
appreciate
everybody,
even
though
I
see
changes
coming
with
this
new
law.
So
thank
you
all
for
being
here
and
being
part
of
this.
D
Meeting
right,
do
you
know
topic?
Yes,
there's
a
we'll
be
reviewing
a
a
small.
C
And
I
did
check
yeah,
I
did
check
the
maps
and
no
one
has
a
conflict
so
yeah,
so
we've
got,
we've
got
the
chair
vice
chair
and
commissioner
johnson.
D
For
that
meeting
so
so
now
we
would
need
we.
We,
I'm
not
sure
I
imagine
we
will
have
items
for
the
december
arc
meeting.
So
if
I
can
get
three
three
volunteers
for
that,
okay,
so.
E
Same
two:
what's
the
date
for
that
meeting,
it's
december
16th,
yes
december
16th
december
16th.
They
can
volunteer
for
that.
B
B
D
B
No
okay,
then
we'll
move
on
to
item
eight
items
from
members
and
subcommittee
reports.
Anyone
having
twice
this
evening.