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San Bruno Planning Commission Meeting October 19, 2021
Whole Meeting
trt 1:18:50
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B
You
can
get
started
okay,
so
with
that
good
evening,
and
welcome
to
the
october
19
2021
planning
commission
meeting
for
everyone
attending
virtually.
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you
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good,
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right,
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C
Yes,
yes,
okay,
great
well
good
evening.
Commissioners,
this
item
is
similar
to
the
presentation
that
pamela
did
to
the
city
council
last
evening
on
the
new
state
laws,
plus
some
existing
state
laws,
and
it's
always
good
to
even
if
you're
familiar
with
some
of
the
some
of
the
housing
laws.
It's
always
good.
C
So,
let's
see
I
can
get
there,
we
go
so
as
I
mentioned
well,
the
objective
is
to
provide
an
overview
this
evening
and
then
an
explanation
of
how
these
laws
can
restrict
some
of
the
ability
of
the
city
to
regulate
certain
projects,
so
our
agenda.
The
agenda
tonight
includes
some
background,
we'll
talk
about
sb9
sb10
accessory
dwelling
units,
sb
35,
which
is
expedited,
processing
the
housing,
housing,
accountability,
act,
sb,
330,
state
density,
bonus
law
and,
finally,
concluding
with
any
questions
that
you
have.
C
C
C
So,
with
the
overview
of
the
housing
laws,
we'll
start
with
senate
bill,
nine
and
senate
bill,
9
was
just
recently
adopted
into
law.
Governor
newsome
signed
this
on
on
september,
16th
and
it'll
take
effect.
On
january
1st
2022.,
the
the
legislation
allows
for
single-family
zone
lots
anywhere
within
a
jurisdiction
to
have
up
to
four
units.
C
This
includes
all
the
units
types
such
as
a
duplex,
an
accessory
dwelling
unit,
a
junior
accessory
dwelling
unit
as
permitted
by
the
existing
adu
laws.
It
will
prohibit
any
discretionary
review.
That
means
any
type
of
review
by
the
arc.
The
planning,
commission
or
the
city
council
and
review
can
only
be
through
a
building
permit
based
on
standards
that
the
city
has
in
place.
C
There
is
a
provision
in
the
law
that
states
that,
if
you
are
subdividing,
you
have
to
subdivide
roughly
proportionate
to
the
size
of
the
lot
based
on
a
maximum
40
60
split,
so
you
can
do
50,
50,
40,
60
or
anything
in
between,
but
you
can't
do
take
20
of
the
lot
area
and
then
leave
80.
So
so
it's
1200
square
feet
is
the
minimum
and
then
the
the
roughly
proportional
split.
C
It
prohibits
off-street
parking
requirements
to
know
more
than
one
parking
space
per
unit,
so
that's
all
that
can
be
required
if
the
property
is
located
within
a
half
a
mile
of
high
quality
transit
in
san
bruno's
case.
The
sam
trams
bus
lines
on
el
camino,
real
cal,
trainer
or
bart,
or
if
a
car
share
vehicle
is
available
within
a
block
no
street,
no
street
parking
spaces
would
be
required
for
the
units
and
it
does.
C
Stay
here
I
I
hope
that
this,
these
graphics
are
not
meant
to
alarm
you,
and
I
think
they
may
be.
You
know,
go
a
bit
far,
but
the
one
on
the
left
you
can
see
shows
an
existing
single-family
residential
neighborhood
and
then
the
the
diagram
below
shows
potential
development
under
sb9.
I
think
that
the
the
massive
the
boxes
and
the
massing
they're
showing
is
a
bit
aggressive
and
probably
overdone,
but
it
it
it's.
C
You
know
I
think
it's
just
designed
to
help
convey
what
you
know
visually.
What
might
happen
the
next
image
the
before
and
after
sb9,
so
there
are
potentially
a
number
of
ways.
Individuals
could
subdivide
their
lots
either
with
you
know,
subdividing
off
the
back
of
the
lot
with
some
sort
of
an
easement
or
splitting
the
lot
into
directly
from
the
street.
C
You
know,
so
those
are
some
of
the
some
of
the
possible
ways.
People
might
use
this
law.
However,
it's
it's
worth
noting
that
some
research
has
been
done
by
the
turner
center
in
berkeley.
Looking
at
you
know
all
of
the
lots
within
the
state
and
also
looking
at
larger
cities,
including
san
bruno,
and
they
and
basically
you
know,
they're
looking
at
it
from
an
economic
standpoint,
whether
you
know
the
the
cost
and
value
of
adding
a
unit
versus
what
it
can
be.
C
C
Our
staff's
feeling
is
that
most
homeowners
who
are
interested
in
having
an
additional
unit
on
the
property
would
be
looking
more
at
the
adu
or
the
junior
adu
option,
rather
than
subdividing
their
property
subdivision
requires.
You
know,
hiring
an
engineer
and
a
lot
of
additional
costs
that
most
homeowners
are
probably
not
interested
in
pursuing,
and
then
they
have
to
go
through
a
subdivision
process
with
the
city.
C
In
addition
to
that,
one
of
the
the
the
one
of
the
problems
that
we
see
with
the
law
is
that
it
creates
or
can
create
a
number
of
building
code
conflicts.
So,
for
example,
the
building
code
for
residential
construction
requires
that
you
maintain
a
five
foot
setback
from
any
openings,
such
as
doors
and
windows
along
a
building,
and
if
you
go
closer
than
that,
those
openings
have
to
be
fire
rated,
you
know,
or
they
have
to
be
eliminated
so
and
for
residential
homes.
C
You
need
ingress
and
egress
out
of
windows
and
around
the
perimeter
of
a
structure
so
subdivision.
I
think
people
will
find
great
will
create
that
will
create
a
lot
of
conflicts
in
these
types
of
of
structures.
So
time
time
will
tell
how
this
will
play
out.
But
again
you
know.
We
feel
that
the
that
most
people
are
going
to
go
for
adus
and
junior
adas
senate
bill
10
is
the
is
also
another
bill
that
governor
newsom
signed
into
law
and
also
takes
effect
january
1st
2022.
C
C
You
know
with
in
close
proximity
of
transit,
so
the
act
the
act
of
rezoning
would
be
exempt
from
the
california
environmental
quality
act,
so
it
just
provides
a
tool
for
cities
that
want
to
do
that.
So
there's
no
there's
no
requirement
that
that
cities
do
this
or
you
know-
or
you
know,
take
on
these
types
of
resoundings
unless
they
really
want
to.
C
So
within
san
bruno
prior
to
the
law
change.
I
think
the
city
was
averaging
about
10
to
13
accessory
dwelling
units
in
2020,
the
city
experienced
a
spike
in
adu
production.
There
were
43
units
created
and
then
in
2021
and
we're
not
even
done
with
the
year.
Yet
it's
an
additional
43
applications
that
we've
received
and
again
those
are
ministerial,
so
they're
processed
by
just
a
building
permit,
and
you
know
so
those
the
planning.
C
C
It
allows
eligible
residential
projects
to
be
processed
ministerially,
meaning
without
a
review
by
decision-making
bodies
in
urbanized
areas
where
cities
did
not
produce
enough
housing
to
meet
their
regional
housing
needs
assessment
numbers
in
the
current
housing
cycle,
so
for
san
bruno
did,
you
know,
did
not
meet
its
current
arena
allocation
by
no
fault
of
the
cities.
You
know
again.
C
The
cities
are
only
required
to
designate
properties
for
housing
development
within
the
the
housing
element
cycle
and
then
it's
up
to
the
price.
You
know
basically
private
developers
and
the
development
community
to
come
forward
to
develop
those
sites.
So,
but
you
know
be
that
what
it
is
you
know
most
most
jurisdictions
in
the
state
are
in
the
same
situation,
meaning
that
they
have
to
basically
accept
these
sp
35
type
projects.
C
So
these
projects
can
only
be
reviewed
by
what
are
called
objective
design
standards.
Those
are
any
standards
that
the
city
has
in
place
at
the
time
the
application
is
made
in
the
case
of
san
bruno.
This,
the
city
is
fortunate
to
have
a
transit
quarter
specific
plan,
which
is
the
location
of
where
many
of
these
types
of
applications
may
be
made.
C
There
are
some
time
frames
within
the
law
where
jurisdictions
have
essentially
60
days
to
review
the
the
application
for
their
these
objective
design,
standards
and,
and
then
another
30
days
to
basically
review
the
application.
If
it's
under
150
dwelling
units-
and
you
know
so
that
so
there's
some
very
tight
time
frames
here-
and
I
and
also
no
parking
as
mentioned
as
shown
in
the
slide.
If
it's,
if
the
project's
within
a
half
mile
of
transit.
C
C
C
So
that's
a
significant
difference
from
what
local
jurisdictions
zoning
and
development
standards
would
allow.
So
that's
that's
significant
in
the
case,
I
think
I'll
make
it
just
make
a
comment.
That's
pertinent
to
san
bruno.
So,
under
our
transit
corridors
plan
we
have
a
height
limit
of
70
feet
for
the
transit
oriented
development
zone
along
el
camino,
for
example
in
san
bruno
avenue
and
the
there
there
is
no
density
maximum.
C
If
the
lots
more
than
20
000
square
feet,
so
what
so,
so
the
developer
may
may
not
approach
the
city
if
they
are
developing
one
of
those
in
one
of
those
areas
to
actually
get
more
units
in
some
jurisdictions.
They're
saying
there's
a
density
limit
on
the
number
of
units,
but
what
they
may
do
instead
is
just
ask
for
what
are
called
incentives
and
concessions
from
various
zoning
standards.
C
C
E
Yeah
a
couple
questions
the
height
limit,
a
lot
of
buildings.
I've
worked
on
because
they're
near
airports,
they
had
height
limits
that
superseded
anything
that
a
particular
city
had.
Is
there
anything
like
that,
being
you
know
so
close
to
sfo?
That
would
supersede
any
of
these
exceeding
provisions
that
you
talked
about.
C
C
Well,
the
there's
a
conical
surface
that
extends
up
from
the
runways.
So
there's
you
know
so
the
height
the
allowed
height
of
varies
depending
you
know
how
close
you
are
to
the
airport,
the
other.
The
other
component
is
the
noise
contour.
So
you
know
portions
of
town
are
within
the
70
to
75
decibel
noise
contour,
so
based
on
the
airport,
land
use,
commission
standards
and
plan
residential
is
an
incompatible
use.
However,
the
city
could
still
approve
housing
in
those
areas
with
sound.
C
E
C
E
C
C
You
know
you
will
I'm
sure
you
will
see
additional
cars
associated
with
these.
With
these
types
of
units
again
the
state
just
restricts
the
fact
that
you
can
only
require
one
covered
or
uncovered
space
per
unit.
So
if
someone
does
choose
to
build
four
units,
they
could
satisfy
their
parking
with
a
two-car
garage,
two-car,
driveway
or
or
tam.
You
know
a
tandem
situation
as
well.
C
So
yes,
you
could
see
this
one.
One
thing
to
just
mention
is
that
the
you
know
the
city
does
have
in
its
municipal
code
a
a,
I
guess,
a
an
allowance
for
residential
parking
permits,
but
that
has
that
would
have
to
be
initiated.
You
know
by
a
neighborhood
to
the
planning
commission,
I'm
sorry
to
the
city
council.
C
So
there
isn't
a
pro.
It
is
a
process
to
you
know
with
the
with
the
majority
of
of
residents
within
a
neighborhood
to
request
residential
parking
permits.
However,
that
the
difficult
part
of
that
is,
you
cannot
use
those
permits
necessarily
to
restrict
new
residents
from
parking
or
having
access
to
those
permits.
So,
pat
you
know,
getting
you
know,
putting
a
neighborhood
under
parking
permits
may
not
help
solve
the
issue
for
existing
residents.
So
you
know
again,
these
are
things
that
the
states.
E
Okay,
one
more
on
this
slide,
so
there's
a
couple
of
lots
on
here
where
the
original
house,
instead
of
splitting
in
two
smaller
houses,
is
just
getting
bigger.
Are
there
any
rest?
Are
there
any
changes
to
what
you
know
if
you're,
just
making
a
single
family
home
larger,
like
are
the
setback
requirements?
All
the
same?
I
know
we
have
a
bunch
of
rules.
E
C
You
know
we
can't
you
know,
review
them
against
the
the
city's
residential
design,
guidelines
and
and
floor
area
requirements,
and
I
know
the
arc
just
recently
reviewed
a
home
that
had
an
internal
crawl
space
that
was
not
used
as
habitable
space.
However,
you
know
in
those
types
of
situations
if
the
homeowner
comes
in
with
a
permit
for
a
junior
adu
within
the
footprint
of
the
building,
you
know
we're
required
to
issue
the
permit,
so
the
you
know
so
the
floor
area
issue.
C
E
Right,
I
guess
what
I
meant
is
that
all,
if
you
just
want
to
make
your
house
bigger
and
not
put
an
adu
or
junior
edu,
all
the
same
rules
that
we've
been
following
still
apply.
Correct,
yes,
correct
correct,
so
the
potential
for
abuse
is
for
someone
to
put
a
junior
adu
or
an
attached
adu,
get
everything
approved
and
then
knock
down
some
walls
and
make
it
just
part
of
their
house
correct.
You
know
unless
someone
wheels
on
them.
E
C
C
Process
of
a
zone
change,
so
if,
if,
if
jurisdictions,
desire
to
rezone
resident
single-family
residential
neighborhoods
close
to
transit
for
small
apartment
buildings,
they
the
jurisdiction
can
can
basically
set
the
rules
for
that
type
of
rezoning.
So
it
doesn't
need
to
be
for
10
units
if,
if
you're,
if
the
jurisdiction
wants
to
say,
allow
for
five
units
or
six
units
and
stay
within
that
area
and
re-zone,
an
area
that
the
process
of
re-zoning
is
would
be
exempt
from
the
california
environmental
quality
act.
So
all
all
it's
doing
is
it's
it's.
D
D
You
know
five
six
story,
apartments
down
in
burlingame
at
that
comparable
distance
from
the
airport.
I
mean-
I
don't
know
if
you
do
know
offhand,
but
I
was
curious
to
the
answer
to
commissioner
madden's
question
like:
are
we
anywhere
close
to
hitting
that
surface?
My
understanding
is
we're,
probably
not
anywhere,
but
maybe
in
the
northeast
corner
of
the
city.
D
Okay
but
yeah
my
back
of
the
envelope.
My
rough
understanding
is
that,
even
with
I
mean
whatever
bonuses,
whatever
maximum,
you
could
propose
like
they
we're
nowhere
near
hitting
that
surface,
and
it's
not
going
to
be
relevant
on
the
sb
35
topic.
I
did
just
I
mean
if
you
look
at
what
we
proposed
to
do
in
the
transit
orders
plan.
D
I
believe
the
density
bonus
law-
I
don't
know
if
you
know
the
history
of
this.
I
think
my
understanding
is
that
it's
based
in
a
fairly
successful
san,
diego
program
that
was
sort
of
piloted
down
in
socal
and
they
it
was
adopted
at
the
state
level,
because
san
diego
was
showing
better
progress
on
producing
affordable
units
compared
to
la
and
san
francisco
and
sacramento
that
that's
sort
of
the
I
don't
know
if
you're
familiar
with
any
of
that
history
or
no.
No,
I
apologize.
D
C
You
know
built
into
the
code
of
you
know,
so
developers
have
to
provide
those
units,
so
I
think
that's
also
going
to
incentivize
the
density
vote.
Naturally
incentivize
density
bonuses,
since
they
can
basically,
basically
you
know,
offset
the
cost
or
of
of
those
units.
You
know
that
they're
already
required
to
provide
so.
D
I
guess
my
last
comment
or
something
that
you
maybe
want
to
clarify
my
understanding
of
the
housing
accountability
act
from
what
I
have
read.
So
I
think
the
probably
the
most
notorious
application
of
the
housing
accountability
act
is
the
saga
that
was
chronicled
in
the
new
york
times
about
the
terraces
of
lafayette,
in
which
the
city
and
developer
had
agreed
to
downscale
a
project.
D
The
developer
basically
didn't
want
the
headache
and
attempted
to
agree
to
downsize
a
project
that
had
been
proposed
that
met
all
of
the
objective
standards
that
was
within
the
zoning
and
the
housing
accountability
act.
Lawsuit
was
brought
on
behalf
of
the
potential
tenants
of
the
project,
not
on
behalf
of
the
developer
that,
even
though
the
developer
wanted
to
make
the
concession,
a
private
law
firm
can
bring
on
behalf
of
the
future
tenants
a
like.
D
B
Thank
you,
okay,
mary.
I
see,
you
have
your
hand
up.
Kelly
had
her
hand
up
first.
So
if
you
wouldn't
mind
kelly
go
ahead,
yeah
mine
is
fairly
simple.
Michael
had
mentioned
the
lifespan
of
the
bill
when
talking
about
sb9,
and
I
didn't
realize
that
there
were
life
spans
on
bills.
I
just
figured
it
was
this
magical
thing
that
lasted
forever,
and
I
was
wondering
if
how
that
relates
to
sb9
and
the
other
bills.
C
Yeah,
I
I
apologize
for
the
misunderstanding,
so
the
bill
itself
doesn't
doesn't
have
you
know
it
doesn't
sunset.
So
it's
you
know
good
good
until
it's
amended,
but
the
the
research
that
was
done
by
the
turner
center
was
just
projecting
out
took
what
they
did
is
they
took.
You
know
kind
of
all
of
the
entire
state
of
california.
C
They
first
looked
at
all
the
feasible
lots
that
may
be
feasible
to
to
subdivide
under
sb9,
so
that
kind
of
brings
the
pool
of
lots
down
so
for
san
bruno,
it
went
from,
say,
8,
600
down
to
8,
400,
feasible
type
lots,
and
then
they
looked
at
market
conditions
cons.
You
know,
you
know
housing
prices,
construction
prices
and
you
know
and
then
also
kind
of
the
you
know
how
how
many
people
realistically
would
want
to
pursue
something
like
this.
C
You
know
maybe
up
to
500
of
the
8
600
residential
lots.
You
know,
may
pursue
some
type
of
subdivision
or
addition
of
additional
units,
and
you
know
we've
already
seen
you
know
well
over
100
adus
so
again,
web
and
adus
are
probably
much
more
attractive
to
the
average
homeowner
than
the
sb9
process.
So
again,
that's
just
you
know.
That
was
just
information
that
was
produced
by
the
the
turner
center
great.
A
Would
yeah
so
you
know
it's
so
interesting
to
listen
to
all
of
this,
because
you
know
as
a
commissioner
for
a
long
time
there's
a
way,
a
culture
and
a
training
and
knowledge
we've
received
along
the
way
and
the
planning
commission
institute
institutes
and
going
to
them
and
how
lay
of
land
and
progression
how
all
the
planning
goes
with
it,
and
so
I
can't
help
but
think
about
this.
It's
just
a
whole
new
way
of
thinking
and
what
communities
will
look
like
and
so
trying
to
stay
on
a
positive
side
to
think
about?
A
Okay.
How
can
we
plan
accordingly?
You
know
just
look
at
this
project
by
project,
but
looking
now
looking
at
this
from
a
bigger
picture
and-
and
and
it
really
I
mean-
there's
a
huge
change
here
and
also
our
demographics
there's
a
time-
I
don't
know
specifically
right
now,
but
it
was
a
time
that
it
was
an
older
population
or
you
know
what
time
it
was
very
family
oriented,
there's
just
different
trends
that
have
happened
over
a
lifetime
and
so
looking
at
this.
What
does
this
do?
Does
this
bring
in
younger
people?
A
Does
this
bring
more
aging
population
what's
going
to
take
place,
and
so
I'd
like
to
think
about
this
to
say:
okay,
it's
a
law,
we
don't
have
a
choice
so
being
able
to
think
about
it
rather
than
from
a
negative
point
of
view
and
thinking.
Okay,
not
in
my
backyard,
and
I
just
counted
because
I
own
four
commercial
piece
of
property
on
santa
anna's
and
and
my
my
school
building,
it's
a
private
school
has
been
there
for
70
years.
A
A
You
know
the
discussions
have
tried
to
try
to
think
about
different
communities
within
our
city.
So
it's
it's.
You
know
it's
it's
a
huge
deal,
it's
a
huge
deal
to
think
about
this,
and
and
and
we
don't
have
a
choice,
but
we
do
have
a
choice
of
how
we
want
to
give
a
big,
a
bigger
picture.
Thought
study,
sessions,
figuring
things
out,
and
maybe
that
isn't
a
choice.
I
really
don't
know
that
you
know
this
is
new
to
us,
but
I'd
like
to
think
about
as
they
come
up.
A
You
know
when
I
look
at
that
slide
seven
and
slide
nine.
I
mean
they
look.
I
can
remember
on
smith
lane
when
it
used
to
be
nursery,
a
row
of
nursery
nursery
places,
and
it
was
all
just
buildings
where
there
was
a
lot
of
greenery
and
landscaping.
It
was
all
just
nurseries
and
then
there
was
the
at
the
orchid
place
on
el
camino.
I
can't
think
of
a
name
right
now,
but
and
then
we've
had
the
whole
development
there,
and
that
was
done
really
well
for
that.
A
A
number
of
acres-
and
so
just
thinking
about
this
because
we're
going
to
have
riled
up
people
we're
going
to
have
people
coming
to
meetings,
we're
as
commissioners
we're
going
to
be
hearing
a
lot
about,
not
in
my
backyard
kind
of
thing,
and
since
we
don't
have
a
choice,
how
can
we
make
it
so
it
is
we're
walking
forward
moving
forward
as
a
community
to
make
these
things
happen.
You
know
one
of
the
slides
talked
about
affordability.
A
It
talked
about
just
different
ways
of
putting
things
together,
but
when
I
see
those
slides
seven
and
nine
I
mean
I
grew
up
in
the
mission.
My
husband
grew
up
in
hunters
points,
project
area
and
we
were
across
three
different
projects.
We
saw
what
happens
when
there's
massive
kinds
of
things.
Now
it's
a
different
era,
different
timing
and
I'm
not
at
all
discriminating.
A
You
know
to
me
this
looked
like
barracks,
you
know
it
looked
like,
and
I
know
you
got
these
slides
they're,
not
the
two
they're
not
what's
planned,
but
they
and
also
the
other
thing
that
I
saw
was
we
have
been
trained
to
look
at
much
more
greenery.
Much
more,
you
know,
percentage
of
of
you
know
permeable
space
in
all
kinds
of
things:
to
make
an
environment.
Look
much
more
curb
appeal,
attractive,
sustainable
all
those
types
of
things
and
the
other
slide
showed
a
tremendous
amount
of
reduction
in
in
in
that
greenery
landscaping.
A
So
I
I
just
think
that
if
we
start
taking
these
projects,
one
by
one
we're
going
to
end
up
with
a
bunch
of
chopped
up
kinds
of
stuff,
and
so
I'd
like
us
to
be
sure
that
as
a
community,
the
city
of
san
bruno
community,
the
city
with
the
heart
that
we're
really
thinking
about
this
from
a
bigger
picture,
point
of
view.
The
thought
of
of
not
doing
it
with
some
you
know
and
our
on
our
you
know,
commission
changes
and
takes
place,
but
I
don't
think
anyone
would
be
a
guest
saying.
A
Let's
look
at
this
as
a
livable
place
together
and
it's
huge.
I
think
this
is
a
huge
change
and
a
way
of
living
in
our
community
and
we
are
changing.
Life
is
different
than
it
was.
You
know
I
I'm
old
enough
to
be
able
to
speak
to
those
kinds
of
things,
and
I
can
also
see
that
it
could
be
a
great,
a
great
opportunity
to
create
wonderful
spaces
for
children.
A
You
when
you
start
having
massive
places
like
this,
you
start
having
what
feels
like
unsafe
conditions
and
then
you're
starting
to
hibernate
in
houses.
Children
by
outside
you
start
to
change
your
your
your
city,
your
communities,
so
I
think
that
from
a
conscious
you
know
being
conscious
in
this
process.
I
can't
be
unconscionable
in
doing
and
not
doing
something
without
giving
it
some
big
picture
planning.
A
So,
anyway,
that's
what
I
have
to
say-
and
I
I
love
change,
but
I
love
change
with
good
thought,
good
planning
and
so
some
things
I
never
want
to
change,
but
I
think
that
change
is
inevitable
and
we
can't
ever
stop
building
and
changing
communities
we'll
do
that.
We
can't
we
will
stagnate
and
we
will
become
a
town
of
no
growth,
and
you
know
I
know
what
happens
to
towns
of
zero
opportunity
or
people
who
just
really
look
at
no
just
flat.
A
B
C
Yes,
you
can
count
them
up
in
in
the
arena,
so
I
you
know,
as
you
know,
san
bruno
has
a
huge
arena.
Number
of
6155,
I
believe,
is
the
number
that
we
need
to
show
locations
for
in
the
next
next
housing
element
cycle.
We're
allowed
to
use
an
average
of
the
past
several
years,
so
you
know
so
right
now.
That
average
is
looking
like
about
43
or
40
units,
then
projected
over
an
eight-year
period.
So
you
know
possibly
300.
C
C
You
know,
we'll
be
having
study
sessions
and
other
types
of
meetings
surrounding
the
housing
element
and
its
preparation
and
the
housing
sites,
and
I
think
we
may
try
to
have-
I
think,
we're
gonna,
probably
start
with
the
city
council
at
the
end
of
january,
with
a
with
a
a
study
session
to
kind
of
initiate
the
the
housing
element
process
and
the
housing
element
sites.
So
sorry,
I'm
I'm
I'm
rambling
as
an
answer
to
your
question.
B
The
next
question
I
have
is
we're
doing
a
lot
of
legislation
here
in
pushing
for
development.
What
can
we
do
to
encourage
people
to
build
these
things?
I
mean
we
can
legislate
10,
000
or
100
000
units,
but
if
no
one's
inspired
to
build
these
things,
if
it's
not
economically
sensible
for
someone
to
build
it,
they're
not
going
to
build
it.
So
what
can
we
do
to
make
it
easier
for
people
or
more
incentivized
for
people
to
build
these
things.
C
C
You
know
the
things
that
things
are
starting
to
to
happen,
and
I
you
know
I
would
say
that
you,
the
community,
has
done,
I
think
the
best
it
can
with
with,
and
I
think
it's
a
very
good
really.
All
that
really
is
needed
is
the
transit
quarter
plant,
because
you
know
developers
look
for
look
for
plans
like
this,
that
that
lay
out
the
locations
for
development
you
know
for
them.
So
you
know
a
lot
of
the
new
housing
laws.
C
You
know
require
that
the
the
property
be
zoned,
for
you
know,
have
have
the
ability
to
be
zoned
for
or
have
the
ability
to
be
built
for
residential
or
mixed
use
at
densities
that
you
know
make
sense
for
the
developers.
So
I
think
again,
I
think
you're
going
to
be
seeing
you've
opened
the
door
through
the
transit
corridor
plan.
B
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
the
last
part
of
my
questions
this
evening
is
thinking
about
this.
From
the
staff's
point
of
view,
this
is
coming
what
january
22,
I
believe,
so
I'm
imagining
myself
standing
behind
the
planning
counter
having
to
answer
questions
from
citizens
about
all
of
this,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
we
can
take
maybe
some
of
tonight's
program,
the
slideshow
or
put
together
a
web
page
of
some
sort,
so
that
we
make
it
easier
for
staff
for
them
to
be
able
to
refer
folks
to
the
changes.
C
B
You
know
I'm
just
thinking
about
trying
to
make
things
easier
for
staff.
I
mean,
there's
probably
going
to
be
more
than
one
or
two
people
who
come
to
the
counter
and
want
to
know
why
there's
something
happening
next
door,
and
if
you
had
some,
you
had
something
already
created
that
you
could
just
refer
them
to.
They
might
save
staff
a
lot
of
time.
B
I
have
nothing
else.
Does
anyone
else
have
anything
before
we
move
on
through
the
chair,
please
kelly
kind
of
in
the
spirit
of
what
we
were
just
talking
about.
I
think
it
would
be
great
to
also
maybe
get
ahead
and
help
to
educate
people
in
our
community
about
what
these
changes
could
potentially
mean
to
us,
and
so,
when
things
when
developments
do
start,
trickling
in
that
look
different
than
people
may
expect
is
how
we
can
kind
of
educate
them
on
on.
Why
and
how
and
what
it
means
to
them.
B
Sorry,
my
vocabulary
is
gone
now.
I
used
all
the
words
already
his
newsletters.
His
newsletters
tend
to
cover
some
pertinent
things.
That
might
be
a
nice
way.
Something
of
that
of
that
nature
to
to
reach
folks
about
these
kinds
of
changes
or
maybe
actually
maybe
the
newspapers
will
do
it,
but
just
in
that
same
spirit
that
I'd
throw
that
out
there.
A
So
I
think
part
of
it
is
that
talking
points
for
us
would
be
really
useful
if
there's
any
opportunity
to
have
ways
that
we
could
be
speak
from
the
point
of
things
that
are
not
that
are
beyond
our
control,
since
it
is,
it
is
a
it
is
a
law.
So
that
way
we
are
at
least
on
the
same
page,
about
being
able
to
get
the
message
out
there.
A
B
C
Yeah,
I
think
we
could
you
know
just
repackage
and
I
you
know
I
apologize.
We
weren't
able
to
give
you
a
staff
report
for
the
for
this
information.
We
did
one
for
the
the
city
council,
but
that
only
got
approved
late
friday
afternoon
by
the
city
manager,
so
we
weren't
able
to
tell
us
to
get
it
to
you,
but
what
we
can
do
is
just
repackage
a
summary
of
you
know
of
these
laws.
C
For
you
you
know
just
so.
You
know
that
they
how
they
apply.
You
know-
and
I
I
did
want
to
mention
too,
that
we
did
if
you
had,
if
you
did
either
participate
in
the
meeting
or
I
believe
it
may
have
been
on
the
in
the
city
manager's
newsletter.
The
city
has
received
that
we
have
received
our
first
sb
35
application
for
136
unit
project
at
732
through
740
el
camino.
B
D
But
you
know
the
the
mills
park
project
was
shortly
before
my
time
on
the
commission
and
I
I
really
believe
that
that
was
a
you
know
as
acrimonious
as
it
was
it's
a
better
project
for
the
input
of
the
public
and
the
planning
commission
that
I
think
you
know
some
of
the
things
like
the
way
it's
stepped
down,
to
protect
light
access
on
the
back
side
towards
the
neighborhood.
There's
like
a
lot
of
features
of
it.
That
are
good.
D
And
if
you
compare
what
was
the
the
sb
35
project
that
was
sort
of
held
as
a
threat,
I
mean
my
impression
from
talking
to
people.
Is.
It
was
purely
a
threat
and
they
didn't
actually
want
to
spend
the
money
to
fully
do
all
the
structural
engineering
to
produce
it,
but
that
they
wanted
to
hold
it
over
the
city
to
get
their
project
finished.
D
B
Thank
you
for
your
insight,
commissioner,
kelly
yesterday,
all
right,
so
you
had
just
mentioned
that
by
producing
our
numbers,
that
will
help
to
help
to
keep
us
out
of
the
sb
35
types
of
things.
I'm
sorry
can
you
elaborate
on
that?
Is
this
sp
35
is
that
when,
when
you're
behind
on
your
numbers
that
kicks
in.
C
C
So
when
our
the
new
housing
element
with
this,
the
6000
units,
6100
units
goes
into
effect
in
in
you
know,
in
2022
we're
gonna
have
you
know:
hcd
housing
and
community
development
is
going
to
be
evaluating
our
progress
towards
meeting
that
number
at
at
some
intervals,
along
the
eight-year
cycle
of
that
next
housing
element.
So
it
may
not
be
until
we're
four
years
into
that
cycle
to
see
if
we've
produced
save.
You
know
over
3
000
of
those
units
before
you
know
we
may
that
we
may
not,
then
be
you
know.
C
C
E
C
E
This
thing,
could
you
know
I
hear
what
everybody's
saying,
but
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
potential
for
you
know
like
just
in
my
neighborhood
in
rollingwood.
If
people
start
splitting
their
lots
up,
I
could
see
a
lot
of
people
just
doing
that
selling
and
leaving
and
because
it's
just
not
the
same
neighborhood.
E
You
know
it's
not
something
we
can
really
correct,
it
seems,
but
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
make
any
people
less
angry
just
because
we
have
some
youtube
video.
Oh
it's
out
of
our
control
or
here
go
look
at
this
on
the
website.
There's
nothing
we
can
do.
I
think
it's
it's
just
kind
of
a
blanket
plan
that
is
a
little
too
too
general
for
my
liking
anyway,
but
sounds
like
we're
stuck
with
it
and
I
could
see
a
lot
of
abuse.
A
Yeah
no
number
of
years
ago,
on
san
benito
right
behind
my
school,
there
are
houses
that
had
split.
They
were
split
houses,
split
owners
of
those
houses
and
for
the
longest
time
the
developer
was
dennis
jordan
and
he
he
developed
the
two
houses
and
he
and
had
hoped
it
would
just
one
family
would
move
into
them,
couldn't
sell
them,
couldn't
sell
them.
So
he
split
them
and
there's
a
couple
of
them
that
are
split
that
way
and
it's
just
interesting
to
watch
how
they
worked
it
out
and
going
to
australia.
A
My
children
live
there
and
going
to
australia,
there's
a
huge
amount
of
that
going
down
a
small
little
pathway
and
there's
houses
there
in
that
area.
If
it's
built
under
those
conditions
for
that
purpose,
it
can
really
work.
But
if
it's,
if
it's
just
someone
decides
just
to
maximize
opportunity,
then
it
creates
it
creates
a
different
environment
and
that's
what
I
was
trying
to
say
earlier.
A
I
wasn't
trying
to
when
I
was
saying
that
before
lots
I
own
in
san
bruno
there's
such
a
huge
mix
of
development,
there
apartment
buildings,
huge
houses,
lots
and
lots
of
apartments
and
lots
of
single
dwelling
mixed
right
in
there,
and
so
whether
it's
bet's
news-
I
don't
know,
but
I
think
this
is
a
time
that
this
is
important.
Just
as
commissioner
madden
was
saying
it
will
you
know
some
of
these
home
places,
have
larger
laws
and
to
start
breaking
them
up
into
two.
A
B
I
don't,
I
don't
even
know
what
I
want
to
say,
but
it's
like.
I
hope
we
continue
to
do
the
kind
of
work
that
we've
done
up
to
now
and
I
I
don't
want
to
see
anyone
get
disheartened
and
walk
away
from
the
commission,
because
you're
all
talented
people
and
you
all
bring
a
lot
to
the
table,
and
I
appreciate
I
appreciate
everybody,
even
though
I
see
changes
coming
with
this
new
law.
So
thank
you
all
for
being
here
and
being
part
of
this.
B
C
C
And
I
did
check
yeah,
I
did
check
the
maps
and
no
one
has
a
conflict
so
yeah,
so
we've
got,
we've
got
the
chair
vice
chair
and
commissioner
johnson
for
that
meeting.
So
so
now
we
would
need
we.
We
I'm
not
sure.
If
I
imagine
we
will
have
items
for
the
december
arc
meeting.
So
if
I
can
get
three
three
volunteers
for
that,
okay,
so
the
same
two.