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A
C
And
but
Gerard
did
indicate
he
was
going
to
be
able
to
make
the
meeting.
C
B
Well,
I
think
we're
anticipating
this
may
be
somewhat
time
consuming,
so
maybe
it
would
be
best
if
we
just
get
started
and
we'll
hope
that
he
joins
us
all
right.
Thank
you
to
everyone
for
attending
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
this
evening.
The
commission
will
continue
to
hold
meetings
remotely
via
Zoom
until
such
time
as
it's
determined
that
it
is
safe
to
meet
in
person.
B
Please
know
that
we
want
to
hear
from
you
if
you
are
in
the
audience,
and
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would
like
to
address
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commission
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agenda.
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B
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Please
note.
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attendance
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only
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once
per
agenda
item
Ms
Wu.
Could
we
have
a
roll
call.
B
E
B
Thank
you
Pledge
of
Allegiance,
commissioner
durazo.
Would
you
care
to
lead
us
this
evening.
G
E
F
B
B
B
B
Oh
you're,
muted,.
A
B
D
B
All
right
at
this
time,
we
will
be
open
for
public
comments
for
items
not
on
the
agenda.
If
you
the
commission,
about
an
item
that
is
not
on
the
agenda,
please
raise
your
hand
at
this
time.
B
Do
we
have
any
announcements
of
conflicts
of
interest
this
evening
on
any
of
our
agenda
items.
A
E
B
In
that
case,
I
think
we
can
move
on
to
our
first
public
hearing
on
the
Off,
the
Grid,
possibly
off
the
gerd.
According
to
the
agenda
at
Tanforan,
do
we
have
a
staff
presentation.
D
Our
first
item
is
a
project
at
1150
El,
Camino
Real,
our
applicant
Off.
The
Grid
has
applied
for
a
request
for
a
plan.
Development
permit
to
operate
a
recurring
food
truck
Market
event
in
the
parking
lot
of
these
shops
at
Tanforan.
For
this
project,
one
permit
is
required.
A
plan
development
permit
is
required
because
the
proposed
outdoor
retail
use
is
not
specifically
listed
as
permitted
use
by
the
plan
development
permit.
D
D
D
D
Historically,
we
have
approved
temporary
use
permits
at
these
same
parking,
lots
for
other
uses
not
specifically
permitted
in
the
original
PD.
These
include
the
San
Bruno
certified
Farmers
Market
approved
in
2012.
Holiday
tree
lots,
most
recently
approved
in
2020
and
pumpkin
patches,
approved
in
2022..
D
Now
we'll
move
on
to
the
proposed
project,
the
applicant
Off,
the
Grid
has
proposed
a
recurring
food
truck
Market.
This
Market
would
occur
every
Tuesday
evening
between
5
PM
and
9
pm
Off.
The
Grid
staff
will
set
up
seating,
Bistro
lighting
and
event
signage.
Individual
parking
is
available
adjacent
to
the
event
area.
D
The
expected
guest
attendance
is
500
people
each
Tuesday
during
the
four
hour
event,
the
proposed
event
space
will
occupy
90
parking
spots.
Just
over
two
percent
of
the
available
parking
spots
at
the
shops
at
tan
Quran.
The
applicant
intends
to
occupy
the
space
for
three
years.
Should
this
permit
be
approved
this
evening,
their
term
would
expire.
November,
29th,
2025,
unlisted
application
is
made
to
extend
the
use
prior.
The
slide
Thursday
November
17th,
but
that
was
because
we
had
intended
to
have
this
item
on
the
November
17th.
D
The
applicant
has
stated
they
expect
their
vendors
and
staff
to
follow.
All
Recycling
regulations
use
compostable
service
materials,
use
a
three-part,
Waste
Disposal
system
pack,
all
garbage
accumulated
at
the
end
of
each
event
and
manage
waste
disposal
at
each
Mobile.
Food
Truck
the
applicant
has
provided
the
proposed
schedule
of
events
from
2
to
4
pm
Off.
The
Grid
staff
will
arrive
to
set
up
the
parking
lot.
Closure
stock
will
also
set
up
the
seating
area.
D
Pre-Trucks
would
arrive
between
4
and
4
30
pm,
starting
at
five
food
trucks
will
begin
dinner
service
and
finish
by
nine
free
trucks
should
clean
up
and
depart
the
site
by
9,
30
and
Off.
The
Grid
staff
will
clean
up
remove
the
parking
lot
closure
and
depart
by
10
pm
up
next
is
a
series
of
photos
that
compare
the
existing
parking
lot
with
proposed
event
activities.
This
is
a
Northeast
view
of
the
event
facing
the
former
Sears
building.
D
This
is
a
Southwest
view
of
the
event
facing
El
Camino
Real
foreign
show,
the
mobile
food
trucks,
event,
barriers
and
event
signage.
These
signs
do
not
need
signed
permits
as
they
are
signed
to
identify
the
activities
which
itself
are
temporary
in
nature,
persimmon
to
San,
Bruno,
Municipal,
Code,
chapter
12.104.190,
temporary
business
science
Steph
has
reviewed
the
application
and
received
conditions
from
the
fire
department,
public
works
department
and
the
building
division.
D
To
summarize,
these
conditions
include
ensuring
Public
Safety
through
the
inspection
of
event,
equipment
requiring
litter
and
waste
removal
and
requiring
the
applicant
and
an
individual
food
trucks
to
obtain
business
licenses.
Please
see
the
complete
list
of
conditions
in
attachment.
One
of
this
item's
stack
report
based
on
analysis
staff
recommends
that
the
Planning
Commission
approved
plan
development
permit
pdp-22-004,
based
on
the
following
findings.
The
project
will
not
be
detrimental
to
the
health,
safety,
morals,
comfort
and
general
welfare
of
the
person's
residing
or
working
in
the
neighborhood
of
such
proposed
abuse.
D
B
J
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
and
members
of
the
commission
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
speak
tonight
as
a
resident
of
San
Bruno
for
29
years.
I
was
when
I
saw
the
item
on
the
agenda.
I
was
concerned
about
having
Off
the
Grid
come
to
San
Bruno
as
a
business
owner
and
also
a
downtown
president
for
Broadway.
Burlingame
I've
had
experience
with
off
the
grid
for
our
downtown
Broadway
area.
They
were
nearby
our
downtown
and
it
did
not
help
our
small
restaurant
owners
on
Broadway
in
Burlingame.
J
They
work
seven
days
a
week
and
they've
invested
their
life
savings
into
our
restaurant
into
the
restaurant
business
and
we
have
off
the
grid
that
will
come
to
San
Bruno
Park
their
vehicles
make
their
money
and
leave
town.
It's
a
good
company
I
have
nothing
negative
to
say
about
their
services,
but
it's
not
good
for
our
small
mom-and-pop
businesses
in
San
Bruno,
the
500
people
that
was
mentioned
in
the
report.
If
the
food
trucks
were
not
in
San
Bruno,
where
would
they
eat
most
likely,
San
Bruno?
J
This
will
devastate
our
small
businesses,
our
businesses
in
San
Bruno.
They
pay
their
water
bills,
sewer
bills,
property
taxes,
business
license
fees,
they
invest
in
the
city
infrastructure.
What
does
Off
the
Grid?
Do
they
come?
They
make
their
sales,
they
leave
town.
If
they
want
to
do
business
in
San
Bruno.
We
have
a
lot
of
vacancies
on
San,
Mateo
Avenue.
They
can
rent
spaces
and
do
business.
J
Our
businesses
donate
to
local
schools
and
Charities
Off.
The
Grid
does
not
also
Off
the
Grid
may
not
even
have
hot
water
for
people
when
they
eat
at
the
premises
to
wash
their
hands
before
eating
or
when
they
go
to
the
bathroom
to
wash
their
hands
with
hot
water.
It's
not
sanitary.
We
in
Burlingame
are
Broadway
downtown.
Had
a
major
negative
impact
and
I'm
telling
you
from
experience.
I
will
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
if
you
have
thank
you,
foreign.
K
K
If
I'm
not
going
to
eat
it,
Off
the
Grid
I'm
not
going
to
go
to
San
Mateo
Avenue,
because
I
don't
go
there
on
other
nights
either
I
as
there's
been
additions
to
the
area
of
frequented
it,
but
I'm
more
familiar
with
Off
the
Grid
and
it
isn't
a
prime
location,
it's
a
great
location
to
bring
more
people
to
San
Bruno
and
to
see
other
businesses
come
in
and
I
think
I'd
rather
spend
my
money
and
my
time
in
San,
Bruno
and
Off.
The
Grid
attracts
that
attention.
Thank
you.
K
B
Seeing
none
do
we
we
need
to
have.
We
need
a
motion
to
close
public
comment
to
return
to
the
commission.
I
believe.
A
A
B
If
staff
could
just
confirm
for
me
that
this
project
does
I
mean
it
effectively
pays
through
into
our
property
taxes,
because
it
pays
rent
to
Tanforan
and
Tanforan,
presumably
pays
substantial
property
taxes.
Yes,.
D
B
They
they
collect
sales
taxes
as
well
the
same
as
any
other
vendor
in
the
city.
Yes,
okay,
on
the
the
question
of
hot
water.
Is
that
accurate?
My
recollection
is
that
they
have
porta
potties
and
then
some
sort
of
sort
of
temporary
water
station
for
hand
washing
I've
I've
been
to
this
food
truck
cluster
a
couple
of
times.
D
I
don't
know
personally,
but
we
do
have
our
applicant
here.
If,
if
they
can,
if
they're
able
to
take
questions
can
be,
can
we
open
that
for
the
applicant.
L
Hi
hi
commissioners,
this
is
Melody
I'm,
the
head
of
operations
here
at
Off,
the
Grid
I
apologize
for
not
being
able
to
unmute
while
I
or
raise
my
hand.
Well.
The
agenda
item
was
open
to
the
public.
To
answer
the
question
regarding
the
sanitation
we
work
directly
with
San
Mateo,
County
Health
and
Sam
San
Bruno
fire
to
ensure
all
of
our
event
permitting
is
fully
up
to
date
and
satisfied
regarding
the
Public's
annotation.
L
We
do
offer
restrooms
within
200
feet
of
our
event,
supported
by
are
in
the
property
management
company,
which
does
have
hot
water
in
their
restrooms.
So
that
is
something
that
is
supported
there.
B
Okay,
yeah
I
mean
in
regard
to
the
other.
The
other
speakers
comment,
I
mean
I
will
say:
I
I,
certainly
historically,
when
I
lived
in
San
Mateo
some
years
back,
I
would
bike
over
to
food
truck
clusters
in
Foster,
City
and
down
in
Belmont.
If
you
know
on
an
evening
there
was
one
running
and
I
knew
there
were
going
to
be
trucks
there.
I
was
interested
in
and
I.
B
I
am
not
convinced
that
there
is
strict
substitutability
between
the
customers
for
a
given
cluster
and
that
they
would
have
shopped
at
some
other
restaurant
in
the
same
city,
I
I,
there
probably
is
some
detrimental
effect.
I
mean
I,
think
it
would
be
it's
hard
to
say
exactly
how
much
that's
going
to
be,
but
it
it
it's
not
strictly
substitutable
to
some
degree
it's
going
to
be
people
who
just
would
have
eaten
at
home
or
eaten
in
some
other
City
entirely.
B
So
that
does
seem.
It
seems
like
it's
a
partially
Fair
criticism,
but
not
a
strictly
accurate
I,
don't
know
if
any
of
the
other
Commissioners
have
questions
or
comments.
While
we
have
the
applicant.
M
Do
the
chair,
I
would
agree
with
your
comments
and
the
other
I
think
that
you
know
we
dine
out
a
couple
times
a
week
and
and
my
husband
loves
the
taco
trucks.
If
anything's
going
to
be
heard,
it's
probably
going
to
be
the
taco
trucks
that
are
on
the
street,
but
I
think
that
to
indicate
that
we
would
go
to
a
restaurant
on
San
Mateo
Avenue,
not
like
not
as
likely,
and
so
we
would
do
we'd
go
there
for
convenience
and
interest
in
the
variety.
M
But
it's
not
I
would
not
feel
I.
I
would
be
taken
away
from
another
divisions
that
we
frequent.
We
still
would
go
there.
The
other
businesses.
B
Oh
commissioner,
leffen.
I
Yeah
I
I
know
that
Burlingame
like
making
a
comparison
between
San,
Bruno
and
Burlingame
It's
tricky,
because
Burlingame
really
is
known
as
a
destination
for
dining
and
San
Bruno
in
some
regards
is
because
we
have
some
really
cool
restaurants
and
we
have
a
lot
of
diversity
in
our
restaurants.
But
it's
not
right
now
that
does
I
feel
it's
kind
of
a
Hidden
Gem
and
potentially
it
could
be
putting
San
Bruno
a
little
bit
more
on
the
dining
map
and
bring
people
in
and
go.
I
N
F
Thank
you,
chair
Harmon,
sorry,
my
camera's
off
my
internet's
a
bit
shaky
here.
I
had
two
questions
with
regards
to
the
permit
for
the
Dayton,
the
date
of
Tuesday
and
the
hours
on
Tuesday
is
that
locked
in
stone
with
the
permit?
Can
that
be
increase?
Can
that
be
changed
and
if
so,
who
would
decide
that?
Who
would
be
the
body
that
would
decide
to
expand
and
change
those
hours?
If
that's
the
case,
foreign.
D
I
believe
those
hours
were
set
through
the
application,
and
if
those
hours
were
to
change,
it
would
go
through
planning
division
as
well
I,
most
likely
plan
Commission.
F
C
Through
the
chair,
I
want
to
just
direct
you
to
condition
number
eight
which
states
the
food
truck
is
limited
to
Tuesdays
from
five
to
nine,
beginning
November
22nd
and
ending
November
22nd
2025
any
additional
times
of
days.
Changes
to
times
or
changes
of
day
of
the
week
are
subject
to
the
approval
of
the
community
and
economic
development
director.
So
this
condition
offers
you
know
some
flexibility
to
the
applicant
to
make
changes
that
would
not
come
back
to
the
Planning
Commission.
C
If
the
Planning
Commission
does
want
to
have
have
any
changes
come
back
to
them.
You
would
need
to
amend
this
condition.
M
Past
applications
there
have
been
applicants,
who've,
applied
for
specific
hours,
dates
and
dates,
and
we
have
discuss
with
him
that
sometimes
they
were
actually
quite
rigid
in
their
hours
and
we
wanted
to
give
them
the
opportunity
to
expand
their
hours
and
some
were
way
late
in
a
community
that
would
be
closer
to
a
residential
area.
M
So
we've
had
those
discussions,
but
most
of
the
time
there
is
some
flexibility
for
the
applicant
to
be
able
to
operate
and
looking
at
the
schedule
that
they've
provided
I
mean
it's
a
really
tight
schedule
which
is
very
efficient
and
it
appears
to
be
well
done.
You
know
we're
getting
there
early
to
to
prepare
the
environment
and
then
having
the
trucks,
arrive
between
30
or
30
and
5,
and
having
dining
between
5,
30
and
9
I
mean
there's
just
and
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
schedule
that
works
or
it
were
clustered
down.
M
It's
pretty
much
the
same
in
many
places
in
cities.
So
it's
it's
been
proven
in
the
past.
It'd
be
interested
to
know
as
to
what
commissioner
also
what
he
might
have
thought
that
he
wanted
to
be
more
restrictive
or
less
restrictive
or,
and
the
insights
of
that
would
I
could
actually
get
some
insights.
As
to
his
question.
F
Yeah
through
the
chair
of
Frito,
to
respond
to
commissioner
Johnson.
F
So,
commissioner
Johnson
my
second
question
that
I
haven't
articulated
yet
is
that
I?
You
know
I
think
as
I
read
the
packet
and
we've
had
a
brief
discussion
here
about
what
impact
it
may
or
may
not
have
on
nearby
businesses.
I
heard
the
public
comments:
I,
don't
own
a
small
business
I'm,
not
in
the
food
business.
So
it's
very
difficult
for
me
to
wrap
my
mind
around
that.
F
So
in
the
since
we
were
postponed
for
two
weeks,
I
had
the
opportunity
to
just
talk
to
some
merchants
in
downtown
and
local
folks,
and
they
generally
seem
to
be
okay
with
Off
the
Grid
being
Tuesdays,
but
had
concern
that
this
may
be
expanded
to
the
weekend
or
different
dates
and
times
so.
I
just
wanted
to
get
a
sense
of
what
that
process
would
look
like
I,
don't
know
where
I
land
on
that,
but
I
just
wanted
to
get
a
sense
of
they.
B
It
sounds
like,
under
the
current
conditions,
that
the
community
and
economic
development
director
is
that
you
Michael,
or
we
I
mean
Darcy,
has
come
back
as
like
a
vice
manager.
C
B
And
I
mean
personally
I
I
am
comfortable
with
that
process
in
that
I.
You
know,
I
do
trust
that
our
staff
is
attempting
to
to
accommodate
a
variety
of
concerns,
and
it
does
mean
that
if
you,
you
know,
if
you
want
to
move
it
from
Tuesday
to
Thursday
or
whatever
you
know
with
respect
to
whatever
else
is
going
on
in
the
city,
that
it
would
be
a
more
efficient
process,
I'm
willing
to
entertain.
B
B
M
There's
a
chair:
isn't
it
a
given
that
if
they
were
to
change
it
that
it
would
be
that
any
business
that
wants
to
make
a
change?
That's
that's
different
than
what
they
apply
for
that
they
would
be
required.
It's
a
it's
a
requirement,
not
a
given.
It's
not
a
good
choice
of
words,
but
a
requirement.
B
That
was
Michael
had
read
that
in
the
permit
that
we
are
considering
issuing
out
this
time.
It
includes
a
condition
to
allow
changes
of
hours
to
be
approved
directly
by
the
community
and
economic
development.
Director
I
think
I
mean
I.
I
can
see
how
that
could
be.
B
You
know
per
week
without
it.
Coming
back
to
the
commission,
commissioner
durazo.
F
Yeah,
thank
you,
chair
Harmon,
the
second
question
on
that
topic,
and
it's
been
about
two
weeks
since
I
read
the
packet
from
our
last
meeting
that
got
moved
to
today
and
maybe
there's
a
question
for
the
city.
Can
you
remind
me
of
the
communication
that
went
out
if
any
I
think
I
did
read
something
about
that
to
nearby
Merchants
asking
how
this
may
impact
them
making
them
aware
of
the
meeting?
Was
there
any
Outreach
to
books
that
this
would
directly
effect.
D
Excuse
me,
there
was
not
direct
Outreach
to
restaurants
or
small
business
owners.
The
the
notices
that
were
sent
out
were
to
directly
adjacent
Parcels
to
1150
El
Camino.
O
O
To
bring
it
back
after
a
year
so
that
we
can
review
it
and
see
how
it's
affecting
our
neighborhood
businesses
and
stuff
like
that,
rather
than
Let
It
Go
for
three
years,
I
I
think
I'd
like
to
see
a
condition:
eight
modified
to
say
that.
B
So
I
will
say,
like
I'm,
pretty
sympathetic
to
saying
that
the
community
and
economic
development
director
can
can
cooperate
and
just
immediately
approve
switching
the
day,
but
you
know
limiting
it
to
that.
This
is
a
one
day.
A
week,
Market
versus
becoming
you
know.
Like
I
know,
there
are
sort
of
permanent
food
truck
clusters.
I
know
there's
like
at
least
one
of
those
up
in
San
Francisco
and
and
that's
not
what
we
want
to
be
approving
here
right
and
that
right,
inappropriate,
I
I
am
inclined
to
keep
the
three-year
period.
B
I'm,
not
sure
you
know,
I
mean
if
business
goes
down
at
some
restaurants,
it's
very
hard
to
point
the
finger
at
what
the
cause
is.
So
it's
sort
of
like
you
know.
What
are
we
reviewing
if
you
did
want
to
review
that
in
a
year?
It's
just
that's
a
very
difficult
analysis,
but
I
don't
know
if
we,
if
we
want
to
entertain
a
motion
on
one
or
both
of
those
changes
separately,
we
can.
We
can
take
a
vote
on
it
or
have
some
further
discussion.
Okay,.
M
Do
the
chair
I
mean
they're,
there
have
been
other
businesses
that
have
opened
up
restaurants
as
well,
and
we
happened.
You
know,
given
that
thought
when
BJ's
opened
up
when
other
restaurants
that
you
know
that
have
happened,
we
haven't
put
those
restrictions
down,
I
mean
when
they
talk
about
500
people,
I
I
sort
of
like
that'd
be
interesting.
If
there
were
500
people,
I
mean
I,
think
on
warm
days
and
those
kinds
of
things
and
it's
going
to
be
music
I
can
see
those
that
taking
place
sort
of
like
concert
in
the
park.
M
However,
we're
they
just
have
to
think
about
putting
a
restriction
in
a
restaurant
that
we're
not.
Is
that
going
to
be
a
common
practice
for
other
restaurants
if
they
want
to
open
up
in
their
large
a
large
restaurant?
That's
something
that
we're
willing
to
do
and
I'm
not
opposed
to
ex.
You
know
exploring
that,
but
I
don't
want
it
to
the
Presidents
for
something
that
that
may
not
be
the
right
timing.
Maybe
it
needs
to
be
a
study
session
and
take
a
look
at
that
or
more
discussion
about
it.
G
Yeah
I
would
just
say
that
I
think
I
think
I
like
the
way
it
for
item
eight.
You
know
tamperance
going
to
be
going
through
some
changes
here
and
more
and
more
businesses
are
going
to
start
closing,
especially
maybe
some
restaurants
and
I.
Don't
think
it's
fair
to
blame
these
guys
for
other
market
conditions
that
are
likely
to
happen
to
the
restaurants.
I
mean
I,
don't
know
if
any
of
you
have
been
in
the
food
court
lately
at
the
mall,
but
half
the
restaurants
are
already
gone.
G
I,
don't
know
if
all
right
I
doubt
it's
because
of
us
already
having
this
food
truck
convention
once
a
week.
So.
B
Yeah
I
think
you
make
a
good
point.
I
will
say:
I
am
somewhat
sympathetic
to
the
concern
around
I
mean
not
just
a
tan
frame,
but
vacancies
in
you
know
various
strip
malls
along
El,
Camino
and
and
in
some
of
the
spaces
on
San
Mateo
Avenue.
B
B
You
know
Curry
up
now,
which
is
now
a
beloved
institution
in
downtown
San
Mateo
started
out
as
a
food
truck
and
so
I.
You
know,
I
mean
I'd
love
to
see
us
maintain
good
relations
with
the
food
trucks.
You
know
somebody
like
chairman,
Bao
or
somebody
wanted
to
open
a
a
location
in
in
downtown
San.
Bruno
I
would
be
delighted.
There
are
a
lot
of
very
good
food
trucks,
and
you
know
it
would
be.
It
would
be
great
to
see
some
of
those
get
a
permanent
storefront
location.
B
Yeah
I
I
am
not
like
I,
you
know.
If
we,
if
we
want,
if
somebody
does,
somebody
want
to
offer
a
motion
to
adjust
condition,
eight
I
I
am
fine
with
it,
as
is
I'm,
not
inclined
to
make
a
motion,
but
we
certainly
can't
entertain
one.
D
Before
we
do
that,
I
just
got
word
from
Linda
Larson,
the
general
manager
at
the
shops
of
Tanforan,
and
so
the
event
dates
and
times
are
specified
in
the
license
agreement
between
our
favorite
and
the
shops
at
Cambrian.
So
I
think
you
are
welcome
to
make
that
motion,
but
their
license
agreement
seems
pretty
set
in
stone
at
this
point
in
time.
B
So
that
does
put
it
I
mean
it's
I
mean
it
still
means
okay,
so
like
Tanforan
would
have
to
agree,
and
then
our
community
economic
development
director
would
have
to
agree.
The
question
is
whether
we
want
to
say
that
the
commission
would
also
have
to
agree.
It
would
have
to
come
back
for
a
public
discussion.
B
B
M
Just
have
one
other
last
comment
and-
and
that's
really
just
to
indicate
that
their
hours
are
five
to
nine.
You
know
they're,
not
it's
not
the
whole
day.
It's
not
breakfast,
it's
not
lunch.
It's
you
know
it's
five
to
nine,
so
I
know
that's
an
important
time,
but
I
think
it's
to
recognize
the
fact
that
it
is
a
limited
time
as
well.
G
Yeah
I
would
just
add
you
know
I've
seen
the
the
mall.
Now
the
the
car
dealership
has
moved
in
at
the
same
end
of
the
mall
and
I
think
we
should
try
and
you
know,
facilitate
Commerce
as
much
as
possible
in
the
city,
and
you
know
if
we're
bringing
in
people
from
South,
City
or
Daly
City
to
come
to
this.
What's
I,
don't
see
the
real
harm
I
think
downtown
is
has
its
own
set
of
problems
that
make
it
difficult
to
succeed.
There
I
don't
think
it's
necessarily
competition
from
four
hours.
A
B
This
was
to
approve
the
entire.
It
was
to
approve,
permit
2204,
subject
to
the
existing
conditions
of
approval
1
to
22.
all.
F
B
All
right
any
interesting
discussion,
at
least
I,
believe
that
this
motion
would
be
subject
to
appeal.
Where
is
this
10-day
appeal
period
with
a
I
believe
a
500
fee?
If
anybody
wishes
to
appeal
this
approval,
you
would
contact
planning
at
San,
bruno.ca.gov
or
call
650-616-7074.
B
B
A
C
Apologies
for
that
good
evening,
planning
Commissioners!
This
item
is
for
1261
Claremont.
E
C
P
C
Architectural
Review
permit
ar22007
it's
for
architecture
review
and
a
conditional
use
permit
to
allow
construction
of
a
new
1193
square
foot
Edition,
which
exceeds
3
000
square
feet
pursuant
to
Municipal
Code,
section
12.200
070,
and
which
will
exceed
50
percent
of
the
existing
floor
floor
area.
C
By
way
of
background,
as
the
commission
is
aware,
this
item
has
been
to
the
architecture
Review
Committee,
beginning
a
year
ago
in
November
and
then
in
January,
the
Planning
Commission
reviewed
it
on
March
15th
of
2022
and
at
that
time
provided
direction
to
the
applicant
to
redesign
the
mass
of
the
Second
Story
and
to
apply
the
daylight
plane
to
the
north
elevation.
C
C
The
architecture
Review
Committee
reviewed
revised
plans
on
October
13th
and
recommended
that
the
architect
make
further
revisions
to
the
plans,
if
feasible
and
recommend
recommended
that
the
application
be
forwarded
to
the
Planning
Commission
for
action.
C
So
minus
minor
modifications
to
the
plans
were
made
to
include
a
rising
racing
of
the
clear
story:
windows
on
the
side,
elevation
to
five
feet,
eight
inches
above
the
floor,
and
there
was
also
an
addition
of
a
small
hip
details
to
the
upper
and
lower
roofs,
but
in
by
and
large,
the
the
plans
are
are
fairly
similar
to
what
the
architecture
Review
Committee
reviewed.
C
The
location
of
the
proposed
Edition
is
1261
Claremont
Drive
between
Smith
Lane
and
Fairmont
Drive.
The
lot
is
6400
square
feet.
C
We
apply
an
adjustment
Factor
to
lots
that
are
larger
than
5
000
square
feet,
so
the
adjustment
Factor
here
is
0.91,
so
that
reduces
the
allowed
floor
area.
So
the
maximum
floor
area
applying
the
reduction
is
3223
square
feet.
Maximum
lot
coverage
would
be
2578
square
feet
and
the
maximum
impermeable
area
would
be
5152
square
feet
or
80
percent.
C
The
existing
conditions
for
the
house
of
the
house,
including
the
garage,
is
1857
square
feet,
so
the
existing
floor
area
is
0.32.
Lock.
Coverage
is
the
same
32
percent
and
the
existing
house
has
three
bedrooms
and
two
bathrooms.
C
These
are
the
surrounding
properties.
The
property
directly
north
of
the
of
the
existing
home
is
1251.
Claremont
drive
to
the
north
18
1181
Fairmont
Drive
is
to
the
west
of
the
property.
The
corner
lot.
C
C
The
proposed
project-
this
is
the
existing
site
plan
for
the
house
on
the
North
side.
There's
an
existing
four
foot,
three
inch
side
setback
to
the
house,
so
the
proposed
project
would
add
a
second
story:
edition
of
1124
square
feet,
a
ground
floor
edition
of
29,
I'm,
sorry,
69
square
feet,
remodeled
the
interior
of
the
home,
to
make
it
more
of
an
open
concept.
So
there
would
be
a
total
increase
of
1193
square
feet
with
a
total
gross
floor
area
of
3050
square
feet,
which
is
below
the
the
32
23.
C
That's
allowed,
so
the
floor
area
would
be
0.52
lot.
Coverage
would
be
2,
000
square
feet
and
the
home
would
have
four
bedrooms
and
three
bathrooms
foreign
on
this
proposed
site
plan.
You
can
see
the
excuse
me
the
location
of
the
Second
Story
over
a
portion
of
the
the
garage
and
existing
first
floor
and
then
extending
South
over
the
portion
of
the
house
as
well,
which
is
this.
C
This
proposed
Edition
differs
from
the
ones
that
were
proposed
last
year
in
that
the
Edition
now
extends
over
the
main
portion
of
the
house
to
the
South.
Okay,
so
for
floor
area,
the
permitted
floor
area
is
0.55,
the
which
would
be
32
23.
The
existing
conditions
have
a
a
far
of
0.32
or
1857
square
feet,
and
the
proposed
conditions
are
0.53
floor
area
with
3057
square
feet.
C
I'll
briefly,
walk
through
the
floor
plans
for
the
proposal,
so
the
changes
to
the
first
floor
include
addition,
an
addition
of
69
square
feet
which,
as
shown
in
the
green
circle
here,
the
entryway
would
be
enclosed
and
a
portion.
C
A
slight
extension
to
the
side
of
the
garage
would
be
created
to
accommodate
the
stair
stairwell.
As
you
can
see
to
the
right
in
the
proposed
floor
plan,.
C
C
Here
are
the
elevations
for
the
home
existing
front
elevation
or
East
Elevation.
You
can
see
for
the
proposed
edition
how
the
daylight
plane
was
applied
to
the
second
story.
Again,
the
the
existing
first
floor.
Elevation
is
existing
at
four
feet.
Three
inches.
It
would
be
increased
for
the
second
floor
to
eight
feet,
four
inches
to
place
the
addition
under
the
daylight
plane.
The
overall
height
of
the
addition
is
24
feet,
7
inches,
which
is
below
the
the
28
feet.
That's
permitted
actually.
C
This
is
the
rear,
elevation,
the
first
story,
and
then
you
can
see
the
Second
Story
as
well,
and
new
set
of
opening
doors
to
the
outside
from
the
primary
living
area.
On
the
first
floor,.
C
C
This
is
the
side
elevation
which
faces
North
and
again
for
privacy
purposes.
All
of
the
windows
on
that
side
are
clear
story
so,
above
eye
level
of
with
the
lower
portion
of
the
window
being
five
feet.
Eight
inches
above
the
floor
level.
C
These
are
cross
sections
for
the
home,
so
the
the
master
bedroom-
that's
that
will
be
added
above
the
living
area,
starts
with
a
ceiling
height
of
seven
feet,
nine
inches
and
then
includes
a
vaulted
ceiling
that
extends
up
under
the
roof
line.
C
So
it's
just
taking
advantage
of
the
space,
that's
underneath
the
roof,
and
then
you
can
also
see
the
in
the
right
elevation
how
these
stairs
do
encroach
into
the
garage,
which
is
a
permitted
condition,
provided
that
the
the
car
can
still
you
know,
get
under,
underneath
the
the
front
of
the
car
can
get
under
the
stairwell,
which
in
this
case
it's
almost
eight
feet
above
the
slab.
C
These
are
architectural
renderings
perspective,
renderings
that
were
prepared
by
the
applicants
architect
to
show
all
the
sides
of
the
home.
C
So,
as
far
as
the
residential
design
guidelines
go
and
as
as
further
articulated
in
your
staff
report,
the
proposed
Edition
with
regards
to
Neighborhood
combat
compatibility,
the
Mast
of
the
Edition
is
broken
into
smaller
volumes,
consistent
with
examples
in
the
residential
design
guidelines
and
so
as
viewed
as
viewed
from
from
each
site
elevation.
The
mass
is
broken
up
into
smaller
volumes.
C
As
for
architectural
style,
it's
consistent
with
the
design
of
the
existing
home
and
neighborhood,
which,
in
this
case,
they've
chosen
to
utilize
an
updated
ranch
style
which
uses
similar
details
and
materials
of
homes
in
the
neighborhood.
C
So,
with
respect
to
light
and
air
residential
design.
Guideline
3.1
3.1
states
that
Second
Story
additions
should
minimize
Shadow
impacts
on
enjoying
adjacent
properties
and
that
second
floor
volume
should
be
designed
to
minimize
blocking
Sun
access
to
Living
Spaces
and
actively
used
outdoor
areas
on
adjacent
homes.
C
So
it
should
be
noted
that
some
changes
in
light
and
access
and
shadowing
can
be
expected
to
neighboring
properties.
With
the
addition
of
a
second
story,
which
has
traditionally
been
allowed
in
San
Bruno
with
Second
Story
editions
and,
of
course
the
shadowing
impacts
can
vary
based
on
the
orientation
of
the
homes,
staff
does
not
require
shade
Shadow
information,
but
in
this
case
the
applicant
has
provided
a
shade
Shadow
diagrams
with
their
submittal.
C
So
this
as
as
a
way
to
illustrate
potential
shade
Shadow
increases
to
the
property
at
1251
Claremont.
So
this
is
during
summer
when
the
sun
is
highest
in
the
sky
and
just
to
orient
everyone,
the
pink
is
the
shadow
is
what
is
cast
during
our
I'm,
sorry
from
the
roof
Peak.
C
The
green
is
the
shadow
that's
cast
from
the
eve
of
the
second
story
and
then
finally,
the
red
is
the
shadow
that
is
cast
from
the
existing
first
floor
so
that
that
shadow
is
already
there.
So
you
can
see
during
summer
in
the
morning
there's
an
increase
beyond
the
red,
with
the
green,
from
the
eve
of
the
house
to
the
yard
of
1251
Claremont.
C
Equinox
is
it's
the
root
the
sun
is
highest
in
the
sky,
so
there
is,
is
really
the
sun's
right
overhead
and
then
finally,
as
the
sun's
retreating,
the
Shadows
kind
of
go
the
other
direction.
So
summer
is
not
there's
just
the
increase
in
the
morning.
C
So
in
the
fall,
when
Shadows
are
extended
much
longer
as
the
sun's
lower
and
the
Horizon,
you
can
see
that
the
the
additional
Shadows
to
1251
Claremont
would
be
primarily
in
the
rear
yard
area.
C
C
C
C
It's
the
same
condition
with
extensions
out
to
the
front
finally,
at
noon:
noon
at
winter,
again,
Shadows
extending
further
into
the
front
yard
area
and
then,
finally,
by
three
o'clock,
the
Shadows
have
retreated
and
there's
just
a
small
shadowing
closer
to
the
street.
C
C
That
and
there's
a
discussion
with
each
of
these
findings
in
your
staff
report
that
it
would
not
be
detrimental
to
the
health,
safety
or
welfare
that
it
will
not
be
detrimental
or
injurious
to
property
or
improvements
in
the
neighborhood
that
it's
consistent
with
the
general
plan
will
not
unreasonably
restrict
light
and
air
that
the
general
appearance
is
in
keeping
with
the
neighborhood
and
that
it
conforms
to
the
Divine
principles
of
the
design
guidelines
oops.
C
So,
finally,
staff
is
recommending
that
the
Planning
Commission
approve
use
permit
up
21012
and
architecture
review.
Permit
21013
based
on
findings
one
through
three
for
these
preventative
findings,
one
through
three
for
the
architecture
review
permit,
subject
to
the
conditions
1
through
23..
However,
the
Planning
Commission
will
want
to
discuss
the
light
and
air,
as
as
is
was
described
in
my
presentation
and
as
we'll
be
further
described
by
the
architect
and
the
neighbor.
C
C
They
can
you
the
Planning
Commission
can
recommend
that
the
applicant
makes
certain
modifications
to
the
existing
design,
also
that
the
Planning
Commission
can
deny
the
project
by
making
an
alternative
finding
for
light
and
air
which
is
articulated
in
your
staff
report.
So
with
that
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Foreign.
B
D
M
Pardon
me
from
I
just
want
to
make
a
statement
that
just
disclose
that
I
have
visited
the
property.
E
B
First
yeah
there
wasn't
an
invitation
to
to
visit
the
location.
I
also
did
make
a
visit
I
gosh.
Was
it
just
ahead
of
our
original
12?
Sorry
11
17
date
and
discussed
the
discussed
the
project
with
with
Mr
Murphy
and
but
yeah.
That
was.
B
We
were
there
at
the
same
time,
but
just
sort
of
listened
to
Mr
Murphy's
comments
and.
O
I
And
through
the
chair,
I
I
visited
The
Murphys
as
well
on,
let's
see
it
was
March.
13Th
is
when
I
went
and
I
went
with
no
other
Commissioners,
but
my
husband
came
along.
G
I
visited
the
site
back
in
March
as
well.
There
were
no
other
Commissioners.
F
B
All
right,
I
see,
we
have
admitted
our
applicant
if
we
have
any.
P
Yep,
fantastic,
okay,
well,
first
and
foremost,
Michael.
Thank
you
for
that
very
thorough
presentations.
I,
don't
think
I
have
too
much
to
say.
I
have
a
couple
of
meeting
notes:
I'm
just
gonna
run
permanently
fast
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen
real,
quick.
P
And
thank
you
everybody
for
attending
today,
so
I
just
want
to
go
over
a
couple
of
items,
and
the
first
item
is
basically
the
things
that
has
happened
so
far
on
this
project.
Since
we
started
this
design
process
and
the
main
things
are,
we
moved
back
the
second
floor.
Four
foot,
one
inches
from
the
exterior
wall,
the
first
floor,
so
we
have
moved
it
back
to
comply
with
the
daylight
plan.
P
P
So
we
got
the
daylight
plan.
We've
hit
the
roofs
on
the
top
floor,
as
well
as
the
first
floor
and
we'd.
Also,
and
one
thing
I
I
definitely
wanted
to
emphasize-
is
back
in.
One
of
the
commission.
Meetings
was
proposed
to
us
by
The
Murphys
was
this
design
and
it
was
done
by
Steve,
Leslie
and
we've
complied
to
this.
We
decided
that
we
can
do
this
in
addition
to
this,
we've
actually
actually
exceeded
this.
P
We
realized
that
maybe
we
can
make
it
work
and
we
actually
went
a
little
bit
further
and
removed
this
room
right
here.
After
talking
to
the
Murphys,
this
room
right
here
was
kind
of
like
in
the
way
of
the
bedroom
view
of
the
sky.
So
we
took
this
out,
so
that's
how
we
came
to
the
design
that
we
have
right
now.
So,
as
you
can
see,
this
part
is
gone
and
from
over
here
we
can
see
what
it
looks
like
from
their
view.
P
So
this
whole
Port,
this
whole
section
is
now
gone
and
that
used
to
be
a
room,
and
that
was
in
on
top
of
the
design
that
was
requested
of
us
and
one
of
the
commission
meetings.
So
that's
that's
that
and
then
the
last
thing
for
that
point
is
that
we've
gone
four
different
designs.
So
far,
we've
done
over
28
different
Sun
studies
with
them,
so
we've
tried
very
hard
to
make
this
work.
P
The
second
point
is
every
commission
meeting
we've
listened
and
we
applied
the
designs
requested,
regardless
of
whether
or
not
they
were
in
the
San
Bruno
planning
or
design
guidelines,
and
then
the
last
thing
is
the
information
provided
by
The
Murphys,
the
animation
and
whatnot
does
not
identify
the
first
four
and
the
second
four
Shadows.
P
It's
a
little
bit
misleading
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we're
all
clear
on
that
so
well,
actually
Michael
explained
it
pretty
well,
but
in
animation
it
doesn't
show
it
so
I
tried
to
show
it
here's
the
red
that
should
be
the
second
floor,
and
that
should
be
the
second
floor
right
there
too.
The
existing
Shadow
is
right
here
and
right
here,
and
that
goes
the
same
for,
and
this
would
be
all
existing
Shadow
right
here.
P
So
that's
that
for
the
animation
and
then
the
last
item
I
have
is
the
majority
of
Shadows
1251
Claremont
property
is
due
to
the
foliage
actually
at
their
property.
As
you
can
see
from
this
top
view
map
this
tree
Mass
here
actually
creates
quite
a
bit
of
Shadow
the
sun.
If
you
can
see
my
mouse,
the
sun
actually
goes
down
and
kind
of
rotates
around
like
this.
P
So
this
is
a
1261
Claremont,
and
the
second
floor
would
be
basically
right
here.
So
here
are
some
images
of
backyard
and
the
foliage.
So
this
is
one
of
the
larger
trees,
and
these
are
all
the
other.
Trees
are
alongside
again.
The
second
floor
would
be
right
here
trying
to
illustrate
the
direction
of
the
Sun
from
the
arrows
yeah.
That's
pretty
much
all
I
got
and
yeah
thanks
again
Michael
for
that
presentation,
pretty
much
covered
everything
I
wanted
to
say.
B
All
right,
thank
you,
Mr
Wong,
Michael
or
Trisha.
Do
you
have
any
remarks
in
terms
of
how
we're
managing
our
public
comment.
B
Okay
is
Mr
Murphy
with
us
or
representative.
Q
Thank
you,
Michael,
thank
you,
commissioners
and
thank
you
Miss
Ortiz,
for
allowing
me
to
present
so
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen
actually
before
I.
Do
that
I
want
to
First
recap
our
collaboration
with
the
leaves
and
Mr
Wong.
Excuse
me,
subsequent
to
the
March
meeting.
Q
I
know
that
you
know
a
lot
of
the
Commissioners
were
eager
to
have
us
work
together
to
find
a
solution,
and
it
did
take
a
while
to
hear
from
them.
You
know
after
the
March
meeting
and
then
Mr
Wong,
Mr,
Lee
and
myself
had
initially
had
an
in-person
conversation
outline
outside
Mr
Lee's
home.
Q
This
was
really
just
a
discussion
about
our
shading
concerns
and
contrary
to
Mr
Lee
submitted
a
letter.
There
were
no
new
designs
for
me
to
review
at
that
meeting.
Is
we
were
just
having
a
discussion
of
and
I
was
emphasizing
my
concerns,
particularly
on
the
second
story,
north
side
toward
the
front
of
the
house.
Q
Q
Despite
the
daylight
plane
implementation,
and
then
they
expected
us
to
accept
and
choose
one,
and
they
actually
said
those
words
to
us,
but
we
found
none
of
them
to
be
satisfactory,
so
we
didn't
accept
any
of
them
in
Mr
Lee's
letter
and
then
also
in
you
know,
Mr
Wong's
presentation.
Q
During
that
Zoom
call.
They
said
that
we
asked
them
to
remove
the
back
section
in
the
back
in
the
north
side,
Second
Story,
we
we
actually
looked.
We
actually
asked
him
to
look
into
minimizing
the
shading
impact
that
was
present
in
the
designs
that
they
showed
us
and
whether
that
you
know
looking
at
the
front
middle
back.
What
is
the
best
way?
Q
It
was
not
a
you
know,
remove
remove
that
back
section
and
everything
is
fine,
as
Mr
Lee's
letter
seems
to
insinuate.
We
wouldn't
do
that
without
first
seeing
the
shadow
study
of
the
redesign
and
the
problem
is,
we
never
saw
that
shadow
study
during
that
Zoom
call.
Q
The
collaboration
with
them
was
not
as
productive
as
I
would
have
liked.
I
do
want
to
share
my
screen
real,
quick.
There.
B
Q
A
letter
from
Cynthia
Lee
in
the
packet
and
it
also
referenced
in
Mr
Wong's
presentation.
E
N
Q
So
this
was
in
reference
to
you
know
what
was
presented
at
the
March
meeting
in
Cynthia's
letter.
One
of
the
lines
was,
the
consensus
was
that
the
design
was
appropriate
in
meeting
the
guidelines
and
happily
approved
by
the
Murphy,
since
it
was
designed
and
presented
by
their
architect.
Now
that
is
a
sketch.
It's
not
a
design.
Q
We
never
approved
it
as
a
model
for
what
we
would
design
or
what
we
or
a
modeler
design
for
what
we
would
accept,
and
it
was
before
the
daylight
plan
was
implemented
and
we
would
need
to
see
the
shadow
study
after
the
daylight
plan
is
implemented.
So
we
we
didn't
agree
to
this,
so
this
is.
This
is
not
like.
Q
M
D
D
N
B
You're
I
think
you're
sharing
just
one
window,
which
is
like
a
it
looks
like
it's
got
a
bunch
of
tabs
I,
don't
know
if
it's
a
browser
or
something,
but
you
might
need
to
stop
sharing
and
then
restart
sharing,
either
with
full
screen
or
with
a
different
window.
Q
Q
Okay,
so
this
is
the
Shadow
Link
diagram
from
the
original
design
in
March
2022
with
no
daylight
plane,
and
we
have
Shadow
length
Casper
the
second
floor
pitch
of
44
feet,
six
inches
and
in
the
current
design,
a
shot
that
same
in
Winter
noon.
The
same
shadow
cast
is
43
feet,
two
inches,
so
we're
talking
about
a
difference
of
16
inches
and
three
percent.
Q
Q
You
know
that
that
was
the
that
that
was
the
Baseline
that
original
design
this
one
for
them
to
minimize
on
in
the
daylight
plane
did
not
accomplish
that,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
you
know
you
had
the
original
one.
You
had
17
3
distance
from
this
to
the
property
line
and
25
foot
eight,
and
then
this
was
this
pitch
was
only
moved
over
25
inches
to
19
4
from
the
property
line
they
lowered
the
height
of
that
to
24
7.,
and
yet
we
still
have
almost
identical
shading.
Q
N
Q
Q
All
the
improvements
were
small
and
incremental,
and
you
know
all
of
the
sets
of
plans
were
riddled
with
measurement
errors
that
you
held
things
back
and
including
the
set
of
plans.
We
have
21
foot
six
here
for
this
measurement
and
on
the
next
page
it's
21
foot
one
and
that's
an
important
measurement,
which
one
is
Mr
Wong
using
in
the
shadow
studies.
Q
So
we
have
more
errors
and
here's
here's
the
major
issue.
What
I
showed
you
before
with
the
daylight
plane
implementation,
not
making
a
difference?
It's
because
the
proximity
of
this
it's.
So
it's
already
on
top
of
the
property
line,
and
then
they
put
you
know
this
Mass
here
this
is,
you
know
blocking
the
the
morning
sun
to
our
primary
area.
The
East
is
over
here,
the
sun's
rising
and
it
comes
across,
and
this
is
blocking
everything
and
the
daylight.
Planes
did
not
fix
that
and
so
I
just
feel
like
they
should
have
gone.
Q
Q
Also
I
want
to
make
a
comment
about
this.
The
shading
from
the
foliage
so
like
I,
just
said
this
second
story
here
blocking
our
morning
sun
coming
from
the
East.
What
is
the
tree
in
the
west
have
to
do
with
that?
This
is.
This
is
totally
irrelevant
to
what
I'm
talking
about
here.
So
I
think
this
is
a
reach
best
for
it
to
make
this
comment
about
the
foliage.
That's
all
the
way
over
here
and
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
shading
from
their
second
story.
Q
Q
I
feel
like
it
hasn't
improved
and
what
I'm
concerned
things
I'm
concerned
about
is
that
they
didn't
get
back
to
us
with
that
final
design
from
the
summer
meeting
the
daylight
plane
implementation
at
a
bare
minimum
as
a
measure,
it
did
not
improve
the
shading
they've
ignored
my
concerns
about
this
shading
on
this
side,
and
you
know
they're
just
trying
to
get
as
close
to
their
original
design
as
possible.
They
have
this
whole
Wing
that
they
could
expand
on,
and
this
is
parallel
to
the
path
of
the
sun.
Q
It's
coming
like
this
and
that's
why
it's
so
impactful
if
we
would
still
see
plenty
of
impact
if
they
just
had
a
Southeast
wing,
but
it
would
be
much
more
short-lived
because
it's
perpendicular
and
pulled
back
more
from
the
property
line.
One
of
the
biggest
problems
is
that
it's
so
this
mass
is
so
close
to
our
property
line,
and
that's
why
the
daylight
plane
implementation
didn't
improve
the
shading,
because
it's
just
right
on
top
of
us,
so
I
would
like
to
quickly
show
my
animation
and
then
I'll
be
done.
Q
N
B
Looks
like
that's
the
the
file
window
enough.
E
B
It's
it's
just
showing
that
it's
showing
like
the
file
explorer
window
I.
Also
like
I
mean
we,
the
the
animations,
were
forwarded
to
the
Commission
in
Outlook,
so
I
I
have
seen
them
I,
don't
know
if
others
have
seen
them
and
we
can.
Q
Q
They
have
okay,
how
about
now.
B
Q
Q
We
we've
got
plenty
of
Sun
on
that
wall
and
the
Sun
is
filtering
in
and
starting
to
filter
through
here
and
creating
warmth
and
light
and
with
the
Second
Story
it's
you
know,
we're
gonna,
be
it's
going
to
be
shaded
till
we
aren't
getting
any
real
shade
on
that
or
sun
on
that
until
after
10
A.M
and
not
going
to
get.
You
know
significance
on
on
that
wall
till
after
11.
Q
and
in
that
Second
Story
Shadow
is
not
going
to
pull
out
of
that
area.
Until
you
know,
after
one
o'clock
and
on
this
day
of
the
year
I
mean
the
sun
sets
at
4,
55
PM,
so
I
just
don't
see
that
they've,
you
know
done
enough
to
minimize
the
shading
as
the
design
guideline
says,
and
one
of
Mr
Wong's
comments
was
that
the
Second
Story
Shadow
is
inside
story
Shadow.
You
can
see
that
it's
not
foreign,
you
can
see
the
difference
here,
it's
not
inside
it.
Q
Q
Comments
with
one
thing,
Mr
Wong
I
was
hoping
during
the
summer
Zoom
session
that
you
would
show
us
the
difference
between
the
original
design
and
that
design
and
the
Improvement
in
the
shading,
and
you
didn't
do
that.
You
didn't
even
mention
the
original
design.
I
asked
you
if
you
thought
there
was
an
improvement
in
the
shading
from
the
original
design.
You
said
there
was
a
drastic
improvement
as
you
pulled
them,
building
back
four
feet
and
I
said:
could
you
please
demonstrate
that
and
you
weren't
able
to
so?
Q
Could
you
please
tonight
demonstrate
for
the
group
and
Apples
to
Apples
comparison
of
you
know
the
old
design,
with
a
with
no
daylight
playing
in
the
new
design
and
like
if
the
old,
the
shading
impact
from
the
old
design
is
X
and
the
shade
impact
of
the
new
design
is
wide.
What
is
the
percentage
Improvement?
E
Q
B
All
right,
I
I,
don't
think
we
want
to
turn
this
into.
Like
a
you
know,
holding
an
argument
back
and
forth
in
public
I
do
see
a
hand
from
Vice
chair,
Madden.
G
Yeah
for
Michael
Michael.
Is
it
acceptable
for
me
to
share
my
screen,
which
would
be
just
a
few
slides
from
the
packet
and
ask
questions
of
the
applicant
and
Mr
Murphy
shouldn't
take
more
than
a
couple
minutes.
I
just
want
to
confirm,
I'm
understanding
the
shadow
diagram.
C
B
Certainly
I
was
I
was
considering
asking
some
questions
in
regard
to
the
the
shadow
slides
around.
What
are
they
Pages,
54
and
55,
but
but
possibly
Vice
chair
Madden
will
be
hitting
the
points.
I
was
interested
in.
E
G
Let
me
know
if
you
can
see
my
screen:
okay,
yep,
okay,
so
this
slide
54
and
the
slide
55
Mr
Wong.
Do
you
stand
by
these
diagrams
I
assume
you
prepared
them.
P
I
Do
I
Do
stand
by
those
diagrams.
The
backup
is
on
page
56.,
I
calculated
it
as
with
those
diagrams
in
terms
of
the
lengths
as
well
as
angles,
and
those
are
pulled
off
on
the
solar
diagram
sites.
Okay,.
G
G
Q
Not
necessarily
I
haven't
seen
Mr
Wong's
inputs,
I
will
say
you
know,
I
did
ask
him
to
make
an
anime
an
animation,
and
he
wouldn't
do
it
so
I
had
to
have
one
created.
He
said
he
couldn't
do
it
because
he
used
CAD,
but
you
can
drop
a
cad
file
into
any.
You
know
program
that
does
the
animation,
but
you
know
I
I,
don't
have
I
mean
these.
These
studies
aren't
these
diagrams
I.
Just
don't
think
that
they're
good
enough
for
for
this.
G
Okay,
I'm,
not
hearing
anything
that
you
say
is
incorrect
here,
I
understand
it's
not
to
your
satisfaction.
As
far
as
you
know,
it's
not
an
animation
I
think
it
was
not
required
to
do
this
in
any
way,
shape
or
form
and
has
done
it,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
before
I
start.
Drawing
on
this
that
there's
nothing
that
you
say
is
is
incorrect.
Q
G
All
right,
well
I'm,
going
to
proceed
from
my
site
visit
with
you,
Mr
Murphy.
This
seemed
to
be
the
area
I
hope
you
can
see
this
that
you,
you
indicated
to
me
that
you
were
most
concerned
about.
Is
that
still
correct
your
backyard
area?
It's.
Q
Actually,
over
to
the
right
more
underneath
the
the
awning
there,
okay,
all
right
that
that
primary
area,
okay.
G
Yeah
all
right,
so
it's
it's
really
your
kind
of
side,
yard
and
backyard
area
over
your
covered
patio
area.
So
if
this
drawing
is
accurate,
this
area
here
is
the
shadow.
Let
me
drawn
a
little
better
sorry.
A
Q
Well,
I
could
say
that
in
the
9
A.M
you
know
we
we
will
have
some
access
on
that
exterior
wall
and
you've
drawn
past
the
exterior
wall.
So
perhaps
that
study
isn't
quite
accurate.
G
I
mean
it
so
I
guess.
My
point
is
that
if
he
did
nothing
to
the
house
and
this
drawing
is
reasonably
accurate,
your
area
is
already
in
Shadow
all
the
way
up
until
noon
or
at
that
in
the
winter
solstice
the
shortest
day
of
the
year,
and
so
to
me,
if
that's
where
your
concern
is
I,
don't
think
there's
anything
he
could
do
to
the
house
design
for
the
second
floor
to
mitigate
those
Shadows
they're
going
to
be
there
no
matter
what
no.
Q
Q
G
Yes,
the
new
roof
and
the
Eve
is
cascading
Shadows
completely
over
your
house
at
9am,
but
the
area
that
you
indicated
you
were
concerned
about
with
has
Shadow
on
it
as
well,
and
then,
when
we
get
to
one
hour
later,
at
10
am
the
the
new
Ridge
and
new
EVE
casiano's
over
on
top
of
your
house
and
roof
yes,
but
not
in
your
backyard
area
that
is
still
shaded
by
the
original
structure.
G
Q
G
G
My
original
objections
to
the
design
were
in
regard
to
not
having
the
setback,
which
they've
accommodated
and
to
having
the
rear
balcony
porch,
overlooking
the
yard
which
has
been
eliminated.
I,
don't
think,
there's
much
more.
They
can
do
with
the
Shadows.
Given
with
my
understanding
of
this
diagram
is
Mr.
Wong
am
I
interpreting
your
diagram
correctly,.
Q
Q
G
Structure
is
is
casting,
which
is
the
portions
I've
highlighted
in
yellow
and
those.
Q
Q
Q
G
Each
other
I'm
talking
about
the
portion
in
yellow,
which
is
your
side
yard
I'm
saying
that
would
not
be
affected
if
they
pulled
the
roof,
pulled
the
new
Ridge,
a
new
EVE
back
to
the
south
east,
or
if
they
didn't
even
build
a
second
floor,
you
would
still
have
that
yellow
Shadow.
That's
my
only
Point.
Q
G
Okay,
I
think
I
can
stop
sharing
I'm
I'm
out
of
questions
on
this
area.
So
thank
you
both
for
your
time.
I
realize
this
is
difficult
for
everybody.
B
Thank
you,
Vice
chairman,
that
did
pretty
much
cover
exactly
the
the
area
I
was
interested
in
discussing.
B
B
Are
there
any
other
questions?
Anyone
else
want
to
discuss
any
aspect
or
ask
ask
questions
about
the
applicant
or
opponent.
D
Okay,
John
McLaughlin
I'll
be
giving
you
permission
to
speak.
You
have
three
minutes.
R
R
R
Thank
you.
First
of
all,
there
was
a
packet
submitted
by
Mr
Murphy
in
November
and
I.
Think
that
creates
a
shows,
a
lot
clearer
picture
of
the
Sun
hitting
his
property
at
certain
times
in
the
morning
and
I
suggest
you
refer
to
that.
You
can
see
one
example
on
page
five,
each
of
the
pictures
in
there
has
a
Time
associated
with
them,
but
I
want
to
go
on
to
my
own
presentation.
I
had
hoped
this
would
have
been
settled
amically
by
now,
I
saw
and
heard
expectations
conveyed
at
the
last
commission
meeting.
R
I'm,
not
sure
everybody
heard
or
interpreted
those
interpretations.
The
same
way
get
together
talk,
talk
things
out,
come
up
with
a
solution
that
you
both
can
support
and
I.
Don't
believe
that
that
happened
and
I
haven't
heard
anything
that
says
it
did.
There's
going
to
be
a
lot
said
about
the
current
designs
of
metal.
Yes,
there
have
been
changes.
No,
the
Murphy's
changes
have
not
been
addressed.
The
best
I
can
say
that
is
if
the
leaves
had
started
with
the
current
revisions
and
if
there
had
been
a
real,
two-way
discussion.
R
A
mutually
acceptable
solution
might
be
what
you're
now
considering,
rather
than
delving
into
the
nuts
and
bolts
and
shade
and
obstructions
and
admissions
of
this
project.
I
want
to
make
the
following
points.
Listening
and
reacting
to
variable
variable
proposals
has
required
significant
time
and
resources
from
our
City's
planning,
department,
staff
and
Commissioners
three
Architectural
Review
meetings,
plus
three
Planning
Commission
meetings.
I
appreciate
that,
however,
the
project
or
architect
is
largely
responsible
for
the
errors.
The
applicant
keeps
emphasizing
their
concerns
with
time
and
costs.
R
Why
the
concern
this
is
a
self-inflicted
process
through
all
the
errors
and
miscalculations
they
made
in
all
sets
of
plans.
It
appears
to
me
there's
been
a
lot
of
hand-holding
continuing
the
project
instead
of
denying
it
some
projects
deserve
to
fail.
The
former
city
attorney's
response
to
concerns
I
raised,
made
it
real
clear.
The
Department's
commission
really
don't
intend
to
provide
a
Level
Playing
Field,
although
I
have
to
admit
what
I've
observed
tonight
in
the
way
that
you've
allowed
a
better
interchange
between
the
affected
parties.
R
I
have
to
believe
that
some
progress
is
being
made
on
your
part
this,
but
it's
a
shame
that
both
parties
don't
have
a
chance
to
present
their
sides
and
present
them
thoroughly.
The
Murphys
have
expended
significant
time
and
money
identifying
non-compliance
and
complete
work,
their
efforts
Merit
your
attention.
Thank
you.
A
B
I
do
not
see
any
other
hands
raised
at
this
time.
Do
we
have
a
motion
to
close
public
comment.
A
A
M
B
Yeah
I
I
will
say
11
just
looking
at
that
slide,
54
and
55
like
they.
You
know
like
I'm,
not
running
the
numbers
myself,
but
the
overall.
Just
looking
up,
you
know
having
some
experience
with
shade
diagrams
from
my
day
job.
They
certainly
look
plausible.
You
know
following
the
roof
lines
and
where
the
angles
go
and
the
the
lengths
of
them-
and
you
know,
I-
think
there
is
legitimately
a
significant
impact.
B
It
doesn't
doesn't
reach
the
structure,
so
I
mean
and
I
mean
I
fundamentally
come
back
to
my
concern
that
look
like
I
think
the
way
our
daylight
playing
requirement,
as
we
discussed,
is,
is
not
well
written
and
that
requiring
it
to
apply
on
either
all
sides
or
on
specifically
the
sides
that
the
sun
shines
towards
would
be
a
sensible
revision.
I
would
like
to
see
us
in
the
future
move
towards
a
pretty
significant
redraft
of
some
of
these
codes.
B
I
think
if
you
look
at
a
city
like
Campbell,
that's
moving
towards
completely
a
form-based
code
that
would
be
advantageous,
but
I
I,
think
you
know
we
we've
applied
the
requirement
as
it's
written
here,
and
you
know.
People
do
need
certainty
that
they
can
Design
Within
the
space
of
the
box
that's
allowed
and
that
they'll
get
to
build
their
designs.
B
I,
don't
know
if
maybe
the
leaves
were
not
comfortable,
giving
a
presentation
themselves,
but
I
I
found
the
letters
that
they
included
from
each
of
them
quite
moving
that
they've
been
spending
a
year
waiting
to
move
into
this
house
and
I
mean
that's,
you
know
paying
rent
on
one
location
or
or
a
mortgage
on
one
location
while
working
on
another
one
is
a
huge
burden
for
any
family
and
and
I
I
am
quite
concerned.
With
that.
G
I
would
just
say,
I
agree
with
what
you
just
said
about
the
burden
being
placed
on
both
families.
Here,
obviously,
there's
the
rents.
There
are
two
mortgages
whatever
it
may
be:
the
design
costs
for
their
architect
to
redo
things
and
as
well
as
on
the
other
side,
with
the
shadow
studies
and
Consulting
other
Architects
to
interpret
the
design
guidelines
again
as
a
student
before
I
think
this
is
a
kind
of
a
no-win
situation
for
both
both
neighbors
I.
G
Do
think
that
the
architect
and
Elise
have
made
a
very
reasonable
changes
from
the
original
design
and
again
I
just
go
back
to
my
site
visit
in
March,
and
the
concern
was
about
the
side
yard
in
the
rear
yard
and
the
shadow
impacts
and
provided
that
these
diagrams
are
accurate.
G
I
do
not
see
this,
making
it
any
worse
in
the
backyard
on
the
under
the
worst
case
scenario,
as
I
tried
to
draw.
Hopefully
it
made
sense
so
yeah,
but
I
am
definitely
sympathetic
to
both
parties,
so
I'm
not
making
these
boat
lightly.
B
A
I
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
that
this
is
really
uncomfortable
for
everybody,
the
applicant
for
for
the
neighbors,
and
you
know
for
everybody
sitting
here,
because
this
is
not
easy.
I
I
want
to
I
want
to
thank
Vice,
chair
Madden,
for
going
through
the
shadow
study
with
the
highlighter.
The
way
that
you
did
because
I
found
that
really
helpful
I
after
having
gone
through
that
I'm
I'm,
not
convinced
that
there's
really
any
more
significant
changes
they
could
make
to
the
Second
Story
to
further
mitigate
the
shadowing
without
completely
eliminating
a
second
floor.
I
Think
in
the
very
beginning,
when
we
kind
of
rewind
back
to
our
first
meeting,
we
had
really
kind
of
banked
on
two
things:
number
one
that
the
daylight
plane
would
help
if
they,
if
they
adhered
to
the
daylight
plane
on
the
Murphy
side
of
the
house,
that
that
would
help
and
also
I
I,
recall
the
the
sketch
done
by
the
architect,
Mr
Leslie,
who
had
been
brought
in
by
the
Murphy's,
really
feeling
that
that
would
be
a
great
solution
and
more
or
less
that
was
applied
by
the
Lees
and
I.
I
I
It's
just
yuck,
so
I
kind
of
see
the
applicant
meeting
the
commission
requests
meeting
the
the
requirements
that
were
put
before
them
for
the
you
know
through
the
city
and
I,
don't
know
that's
just
kind
of
what
I'm
sitting
with
it
right
now.
I,
don't
like
that.
I
The
Murphys
are
going
to
have
increased
shading,
but
I'm
out
of
ideas
about
any
other
Solutions
and
I.
Do
feel
that
the
applicant
has
made
a
lot
a
lot
of
efforts
to
try
to
make
this
right.
That's
all
I've
got.
M
I
agree
with
every
comment:
that's
been
stated
so
far
and
I
also
want
to
thank
commissioner
Madden.
That
was
extremely
helpful.
I
think
that
in
reality,
from
my
perspective,
that
you
just
have
to
put
aside
the
hardships,
the
expense
you
know,
there's
nothing
that
we
can
do
about
that.
You
know
it's
and
I.
M
Think
that
and
it's
difficult
as
it
is
I
mean
I'm,
sad
and
I'm
I'm
burdened
by
all
of
that
that
took
place,
but
there
is
the
guidelines
and
that
we
have
to
abide
by
and
that's
what
we
have
to
go
from
my
perspective,
but
we
have
to
go
by
unless
there's
other
evidence
right,
and
so
this
is
not
required
of
an
applicant
to
do,
and
in
this
case
it
was
a
requirement-
and
you
put
the
different
light
on
things-
have
seen
the
seeing
the
study
that
commissioner
Madden
put
on
it's
it's
just
plain
difficult.
M
You
know
it's
it's
that
it's
going
to
be
a
difficult
and
emotional
decision
to
look
at
all
the
components
and
do
I
want
to
say
I
support
it.
Do
you
want
to
say
you
know
it's
just
it's
a
no
win.
It's
a
no
win
and
what
makes
them
extremely
sad
is
that
their
neighbors
they.
E
B
B
So
it's
from
my
impression
is
that
the
primary
difference
between
the
design
by
Mr
Leslie
that
was
included
versus
this
design
is
that
this
area
on
the
northeast
would
be
sliced
off
in
his
version,
and
he
has
a
design
that
extends
to
this
the
Southwest.
Instead,
if
I,
can
all
right
that
his
his
design,
rather
than
extending
to
the
north
east,
extends
to
the
Southwest
I,
don't
think
that
works
structurally.
B
Given
the
the
cutaways,
though,
because
the
way
the
stairwell
ends
up
intruding
into
the
garage
that
you
would
not
be
able
to
essentially
that
that
Northeast
Extension
is
required
in
order
to
enable
the
stairwell
and
so
I,
don't
I,
don't
see
how
yeah
no
I
mean
I
I,
my
fundamentally
I
I
just
want
to
make
the
point
that
I,
really
I
I,
think
Vice,
chair
Madden
is
right.
B
That
I
don't
see
how
you
can
structurally
build
this
second
floor
at
all
without-
and
you
know
like
this,
this
part
of
the
impact
where
the
green
and
the
pink
extends
over
a
much
greater
extent
of
the
yard
and
then
does
I
would
have
you
know,
I
mean
you
can
see
it
does
retreat
the
green
Retreats
off
of
it
by
noon.
B
But
it
is
it's
going
to
be
there
for
most
of
the
morning
and
that's
you
know
I
understand
why
folks
don't
like
that,
but
I,
don't
I,
don't
see
how
you
can
do
this
second
story
Edition
at
all,
without
having
some
impact-
and
you
know
I
mean
these
folks
need
a
place
to
live
where
they
can
accommodate
their
family.
B
A
B
It
is
all
right:
I
will
make
a
motion
to
approve
use,
permit
up21012
and
Architectural
Review
permit
ar21013,
based
on
findings,
one
to
three
for
the
use
permit
and
finding
one
to
three
for
the
Architectural
Review
and
conditions
of
approval.
1-23.
O
B
All
right,
as
with
the
previous
item,
this
does
have
a
10
day
period
for
appeal
to
the
city
council,
which
there
may
be
a
fee,
I
think
500
dollars
to
make
that
appeal.
B
If
you
wish
to
make
an
appeal,
you
can
contact
planning
at
San,
bruno.ca.gov
or
650-616-7074.
B
Thank
you
to
everyone
who
has
participated
in
this
process.
I
know
there
are
strong
feelings
and
I
hope.
You
understand,
you
know
we're
not
taking
anyone's
concerns
lightly,
but
that's
you
know.
The
process
is
what
it
is.
B
That
concludes
our
the
primary
meat
of
our
agenda.
Today.
Do
we
have
items
from
staff?
Let's
see,
Hello
carries
yes
number
nine
items
from
staff.
C
Hey,
yes,
thank
you,
chair
I,
just
wanted
to
clarify
the
the
appeal
fee
for
a
p.
An
appeal
from
the
Planning
Commission
to
the
city
council
is
790
of
the
the
lower
fees
are,
for
you
know,
appeals
from
architecture,
review
to
planning
commissions
or
from
staff.
C
C
C
Some
of
you
may
have
noticed
that
council
members
and
Council
liaison's
assigned
to
the
Planning
Commission,
have
not
been
regularly
attending
the
meetings.
This
is
because
the
city
council
has
been
advised
by
the
City
attorney
that
they
should
not
participate
in
the
advisory
body
meetings
and
the
city
council
does
not
want
an
individual
council
member
to
influence
the
work
of
any
advisory
body.
As
such,
the
city
council
has
included
the
following
statement
in
the
policies
and
procedures
manual
that
they
are
developing
City
councils.
C
Please
know
that
it
is
still
okay
for
council
members
to
attend
our
meetings.
They
have
simply
been
advised
to
do
so
occasionally,
and
it
is
recommended
that
they
not
express
an
opinion
or
action
items
that
are
before
that
Planning
Commission,
so
I
think
and
other
items,
and
let
me
go
back
to
our
agenda
here.
Sorry
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
I'm
getting
all
this
in
the
right
order.
Here
we.
C
Review:
yes,
yes,
yes,
we'll
we'll
do
that
next,
so
we
do
have
the
architecture
review
meeting
on
December
15th.
We
have
two
items
for
that
meeting:
a
residential
Edition
and
a
review
of
the
car
dealership
at
The
Crossings.
C
So
do
we
have
three
members
who
would
be
interested
in
participating,
so
we
have
Mary
Lou,
Madden
and
Aros?
Okay,
great!
Thank
you
very
much.
C
I
do
want
to
let
you
know
that
we
also
are
we're
planning
to
have
a
December,
20th,
Planning
Commission
meeting
and
you
know
I
would
understand.
If
not
all
of
you
could
be
there,
but
if
we
do
have
a.
O
C
Helpful
and
these
the
items
that
we've
got
for
that
meeting
are
simply
the
three
architecture
review
items
that
were
use
permits,
they're
residential
editions,
three
of
them,
all
of
which
were
recommended
for
approval
by
the
architecture,
Review
Committee
to
the
Planning
Commission.
So
we
just
wanted
to
get
those
completed
before
the
end
of
the
year.
So
I
think
I
heard
back
from
most
of
you
that
you
could
make
that
meeting.
C
C
This
is
to
review
our
housing
element.
So
maybe,
if
you,
if
you
can
pencil
that
date
in
we're,
still
waiting
to
confirm
it,
but
what
we've?
What
we've
decided
to
do
out
of
an
abundance
of
caution,
is
to
kind
of
fast
track.
Our
housing
element
with
a
hearing
before
the
Planning
Commission,
the
first
part
of
January,
and
then
the
city
council
reviewing
it
at
their
second
meeting
in
January.
C
You
know
for
making
a
recommendation
to
adopt
it,
so
many
cities
are
doing
this,
and
so
this
is
this
is
the
plan
that
we're
also
pursuing
at
this
time
so
just
wanted
to
make
you
aware
of
that
and
I
think.
That
concludes
all
of
my
my
items.
O
B
Michael
in
regard
to
this
fast
track,
I
mean
I
have
been
hearing
that
that
cities
are
discussing
trying
to
you,
know,
get
things
adopted
by
by
January
31st
and
simply
sort
of
doing
a
finding
that
they
believe
the
adopted
element
is
in
compliance.
But
my
understanding
is
that
gosh
I'm,
just
looking
this
up,
it
was
section
six
five,
five,
eight
five
of
the
code
says
that
you
cannot
adopt
without
having
had
your
draft.
If
it's
a
secondary
draft,
it
has
to
have
been
before
hcd
for
60
days.
C
Yes,
so
we
yeah,
we,
we
submitted
to
hcd
oh
gosh,
in
July.
C
The
first
draft,
so
we
received
our,
we
received
our
comments.
Well,
we
resubmitted.
C
From
18.
well,
we
got
90
our
comments
90
days
back,
and
we
got
them
in
our
in
October
that
we,
you
know
so
those
and
so
we're
basically
working
through
all
of
those
comments.
C
B
So
my
understanding,
though,
is
that
so
you
know
we
sent
them
the
first
version.
They
had
90
days
to
review
that
they
sent
us
back
a
letter
with
comments
that
included
the
exact
complaints
about
the
housing
inventory
that
I
said
they
were
going
to
give
us.
B
We
now
have
to
submit
a
second
draft.
We
cannot
adopt
the
housing
element
until
60
days
after
the
second
draft
is
submitted
per
code,
section
65
582..
C
Our
understanding,
through
through
our
city
attorney's
office
and
their
their
review
and
advice
now.
C
Yeah,
so
you
know
just
you
know
just
to
you
know,
let
you
know
too
this.
You
know
this
is
not
to
say
that
we
wouldn't
further
respond
to
hcd
comments
right.
So
what
will
happen?
Is
you
know
our
the
version
that
we
adopt?
Would
that
includes
the
comments
that
we've
received
from
hcd?
You
know
we'll
go
to
them
and
if
we
get
additional
comments,
will
those
will
be
addressed,
but
you
know
they'd
be
addressed
after
the
adoption.
H
And
chair
Harmon,
we
can,
we
can
follow
up
with
you
about
the
timing
and
the
aspects
are
we
have
a
land
use
attorney
and
also
housing
attorney
who's.
Looking
at
this
and
and
the
timelines,
and
we
can
respond
to
you
about
the
requirements
for
adopting
the
housing
element.
H
B
Right
I
will
say:
I
am
available
on
both
of
the
dates
that
were
mentioned,
the
for
the
the
20th
and
then
for
the
special
meeting
on
the.
What
was
it
January
5th
I
know:
I
glanced
at
my
calendar,
I
don't
know
if
we
need
to
double
check
with
the
given
that
we
have
everyone
here.
If
folks
want
to
just
confirm
that
we'll
have
a
quorum,
then.
A
B
Great
all
right
do
we
have
any
further
items
from
staff?
Okay,
let's
remember
is:
do
we
have
any
other
comments
from
Members
I.
Don't
have
anything
further.
B
All
right
that
brings
us
to
the
end
of
our
agenda.
It
is
903
PM.
Our
next
regular
meeting
is
scheduled
for
December
20th
at
7,
pm
and
I
hope.
Everyone
has
a
wonderful
rest
of
their
evening.