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San Bruno Townhall April 27, 2011
A
A
These
town
hall
meetings
have
been
our
effort
to
bring
you
up
to
date.
To
answer
your
questions,
to
inform
you
as
we
go
forward
in
our
efforts
to
rebuild
our
lives
in
our
entire
community.
I
am
joined
this
evening
by
the
entire
city
council.
Vice
mayor,
Salazar,
council
members,
Irene
O'connell,
riku
Medina
and
can
I
para
as
long
along
with
a
number
of
other
elected
officials,
Carol
bono,
city
clerk
and
city
staff,
led
by
Connie
Jackson,
the
very
capable
Connie
Jackson,
also
co-hosting.
A
A
Just
a
little
bit
later,
we
will
have
some
presenters
this
evening,
people
to
answer
questions
and
to
tell
you
what's
been
going
on
representatives
from
PG&E,
Kirk
Johnson
and
also
the
California
Public
Utilities
Commission,
the
executive
director
falkland,
our
community
director.
A
development
director
will
give
us
an
update
on
the
reconstruction
and
I
would
also
like
to
announce
that
we
will
be
hosting
another
glenview
get
together
on
May
22nd
in
city
park,
you'll
be
hearing
from
Randy
Schwartz
about
that.
B
B
We
said
at
the
beginning
that
we
would
be
with
you
until
the
end
and
we
will,
and
unfortunately
the
end
is
not
yet
in
sight,
but
we
are
making
progress
when
I
think
back
at
some
of
our
earlier
meetings,
I'm
reminded
of
the
power
of
community
I
remember
seeing
white
t-shirts
in
st.
Roberts
church
with
the
message
pge
get
rid
of
the
pipe
you
had
some
great
line,
I
forget
what
it
was
and
at
that
meeting
pge
agreed
not
to
reinstate
line
132
in
the
neighborhood.
B
B
We
got
a
commitment
from
the
IRS
to
recognize
that,
since
flame
retardant
had
been
sprayed
on
all
of
your
homes
and
that
you
had
damage,
you
therefore
would
not
be
taxed
on
the
payments
that
were
made
to
you
now
for
those
of
you
that
are
like
me
and
have
yet
to
file
your
income
tax
but
have
in
fact
filed
for
an
extension.
You
will
know
that
you
have
that
issue
dealt
with
now,
so
we
move
forward
with
with
more
issues
and
we'll
address
them
as
they
come
forward.
But
we've
got
some
great
news
to
report.
B
B
And
I
was
thrilled
when
they
walked
up
the
walkway
just
a
few
moments
ago
to
see
Alan
and
Cindy
Braun,
who
were
severely
burned
in
that
fire
and
explosion,
who
spent
many
many
months
at
the
burn
center
at
st.
Francis
I
visit
them
the
number
of
times
they
are
here
in
the
audience
stand
up,
so
we
can
say
Bravo.
B
You
should
know
it's
thrilling
for
all
of
us
to
see
you
here.
We
also
have
a
that
has
been
to
every
one
of
these
town
halls
Gus,
whereas
Gus
Gus
is
sitting
in
the
back
he's.
What
is
his
his
breed
bulldog
I
should
know
that,
but
anyway,
we
want
to
thank
us
for
being
here
as
well.
You
know
what
this
has
really
taught.
B
All
of
us
is
that
the
power
of
community,
the
fabric
of
this
particular
community
of
San
Bruno,
is
so
strong
that
nothing
nothing
can
tear
it
apart,
and
the
city,
fathers
and
mothers
have
made
that
very
clear
to
you.
From
the
beginning.
An
extraordinary
effort
has
been
underway
since
sep
tember,
ninth,
to
help
everyone
rebuild
their
lives
and
rebuild
your
lives.
We
will
make
sure
happens.
B
There
are
a
couple
things
I
just
want
to
reflect
on,
as
we
hold
this
town
hall
tonight.
Of
immediate
importance
is
the
fact
that
pge
will
now
test
hydro
test
200
miles
in
its
system.
Now
that
is
very
important
because
at
the
National
Transportation
Safety
Board
meeting
that
was
held,
the
hearing
that
was
held
in
washington
DC
in
march
that
many
of
the
members
of
the
council
attended
and
participated
in
along
with
staff.
B
Hydro
testing
was
the
gold
standard
to
make
sure
that
it
is
safe
for
those
pipes
to
be
in
operation.
P
Jeannie
is
here
tonight
to
explain
the
steps
that
will
be
taken
over
the
next
few
months.
They
intend
to
have
that
particular
function
completed
by
October
of
this
year
before
the
winter
season
comes
on
us
CPUC
is
here
tonight.
They
will
be
closely
monitoring
the
testing,
which
is
important
as
well
having
the
overseer
having
the
CPUC
having
the
regulator.
There
is
key
to
proper
safety
moving
forward,
I'm
also
seeking
clarification
tonight,
perhaps
mr.
B
clan,
and
can
provide
me
with
it.
I
want
to
know
who
ultimately
is
going
to
pay
for
these
tests.
Pge
tells
me
that
the
cost
of
setting
up
the
test
is
about
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
each
test
and
up
to
150
thousand
dollars
per
mile.
This
is
an
expensive
proposition,
but
this
is
being
done
because
there
were
not
proper
documentation
and
I
want.
B
I
want
the
money
spent
on
making
it
safe
for
every
person
who
lives
along
a
transmission
line
on
pge
system.
That's
what
we
should
be
focused
on
and
whether
it's
hydro
testing
or
its
replacement,
that's
where
our
focus
should
be
so
with
that
I.
Thank
you
all
for
joining
us
tonight
and
we'll
have
some
updates.
I
believe,
on
behalf
of
the
city
of
san
bruno
and
then
we'll
answer
your
question.
Is
it.
A
C
Thank
you,
I
know
many
of
you
already,
but
my
name
is
Erin
acne
and
I'm.
The
community
development
director
with
the
city
of
San
Bruno.
So
all
the
planning
and
building
type
development
falls
within
my
department,
as
many
of
you
know,
there's
basically
38
homes
that
were
destroyed
because
of
this
tragedy
and
about
another
17
that
were
severely
hurt
where
people
are
no
longer
living
within
them
and
they
have
to
go
through
a
pretty.
You
have
to
go
through
a
rebuilding
process
which
includes
new
design
and
a
base.
C
Your
home
basically
falls
into
one
of
two
categories
for
the
complete
rebuild.
The
larger
homes
have
to
go
through
a
two-step
process,
which
includes
public
review
as
well
as
the
structural
review,
and
the
second
one
is
the
smaller
homes
that
just
have
to
go
through
a
structural
review
process.
So
so
far
of
the
38
homes
we've
received
for
applications
for
rebuilding
two
fell
within
the
category
where
they
did
require
public
review.
So
many
of
you
probably
receive
notices
about
those
and
they
were
approved
from
a
planning
standpoint
and
now
they're
onto
the
structural
review
phase.
C
We
also
have
to
the
other
two
that
are
also
in
the
structural
review
page,
so
construction
will
begin
soon.
One
of
the
building
permits
is
almost
set
to
go
and
the
other
ones
should
be
set
to
go
soon.
We
also
received
an
application
for
one
of
the
yellow
tag,
homes
to
add
a
second
story
and
that
one's
about
to
be
approved
as
well,
so
I'm
sure
that
you'll
start
to
see
construction
in
your
neighborhood
soon,
I'm
going
to
go
through
some
frequently
asked
questions
that
we've
got
from
many
of
people
within
the
neighborhoods.
C
The
first
one
is:
are
the
homes
I'll
shall
touch
on
in
addition
to
these
4
&
5,
05
homeowners?
That
I
just
mentioned
we're
also
working
with
about
another
17
homeowners
that
are
in
some
stage
a
design
so
about
21
or
22
of
the
38
homes
that
were
destroyed
already
in
some
states,
teja
designed
to
rebuild
their
homes.
So
obviously
that
is
great
news
for
the
neighborhood.
One
of
the
questions
we're
getting
is:
are
the
homes
that
you're
currently
working
with
the
homeowners?
Are
they
being
proposed
larger
than
they
were
before?
C
And
many
of
the
homeowners
are
asking:
if
I
do
propose
a
larger
home
am
I
going
to
be
asked
to
reduce
the
overall
size
of
it.
Overall,
it's
kind
of
gone
either
way.
We
have
had
some
that
are
proposed
to
be
about
the
same
size
as
they
were
before.
Generally,
though,
they
are
a
little
bit
larger
homes
that
were
built
in
the
50s,
the
rooms
were
generally
smaller,
people
have
larger
rooms.
C
We
want
to
make
sure
that
these
homes
that
are
proposed
or
well
designed
in
the
compatible
with
the
neighborhood
and
you'll
have
a
great,
well-designed,
neighborhood
moving
forward.
Second
question
we
get
is,
and
we
got
this
from
a
number
of
people.
As
do
we
have
to
hire
an
architect
and
the
short
answer
is
no.
You
don't
have
to
hire
an
architect,
but
a
word
of
caution
with
that
is.
You
do
have
to
hire
someone
who
is
familiar
with
the
building
code.
C
One
thing
that
we
do
not
have
the
luxury
of,
although
we've
expedited
the
process,
we've
waived
the
building,
permit
fees
and
done
or
a
number
of
things
you
still
have
to
meet
what
the
California
Building
Code
is,
and
that's
especially
important,
given
this
neighborhood
is
just
a
quarter
mile
from
the
San
Andreas
Fault.
So
you
do
need
to
hire
someone
who
knows
what
the
California
Building
Code
is.
What
the
mechanical
issues
are,
what
the
electrical
issues
are
and
make
sure
that
you
incorporate
those
and
they're
inside
the
plant
when
you
submit
them.
C
The
third
question
is:
are
the
codes
still
in
effect
just
what
I
said
before?
Yes,
you
know
we're
we're
making
sure
that,
even
though
we're
expediting
the
process,
we
still
want
to
make
sure
we
don't
have
any
authority
to
waive
California
building
codes
and
then
from
a
local
standpoint.
We
want
to
make
sure
we've
heard
from
a
lot
of
people
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
these
homes
are
well
designed.
C
Another
question
we
get:
is
there
any
green
building
code
standards?
In
effect,
what
we
have
in
effect
is
what
the
state
of
California
has.
In
effect,
they
recently
approved
the
new
Green
Building
Code,
there's
several
different
tiers
to
this
there's.
Basically,
three
tiers.
We
fall
within
the
middle
tier,
which
is
the
tier
1
of
green
building
code
standards.
Your
design
professional
will
understand
this,
but
we're
happy
to
sit
down
with
you
and
talk
to
you
about
this,
and
one
thing
I
failed
to
mention
here
is
I.
C
Have
a
number
of
my
staff
members
here,
Mark
Sullivan
from
my
office
is
here
tonight:
Laura
Russell
is
here
tonight
who
is
a
planner
as
well
as
Gary
liquori
who's,
our
building
officials,
so
they're
available
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have
and
what
I
encourage
everyone
to
do
is
right.
When
you
decide
to
rebuild-
and
many
of
you
have
already
done.
This
is
right
when
you
decide
to
rebuild
contact
a
planner
talk
to
us
early
on,
because
the
earlier
you
talked
to
us,
the
quicker
the
whole
process
is
going
to
you.
C
Many
of
the
designers
and
architects.
We've
developed
great
relationships
with
the
email
us
early
designs
back
and
forth.
We
were
able
to
provide
comments
and
just
expedite
the
process.
So
when
you're
ready
to
rebuild,
you
could
be
rebuild
quite
quickly
and
we're
not
another
hurdle
within
the
process.
C
Another
question
we
get
who
will
review
my
plans
when
I
submit
them
to
the
city.
A
number
of
departments
will
review
them.
However,
we're
working
really
hard
to
make
our
process
efficient
and
your
point
of
contact
will
be
the
planner
within
the
community
development
department.
So
you
will
be
assigned
a
planner
either
Lisa,
Laura,
Matt
or,
and
sometimes
myself
and
we'll
be
working
with
you,
but
the
fire
department
will
be
involved
for
sprinkler
issues.
The
engineering
department
will
be
involved
for
things
like
where
your
driveway
access
will
be
if
it's
different
than
it
was
before.
C
You
know
what
the
slope
is,
so
you
know
you
have
proper
drainage
within
your
area
and,
of
course,
the
building
division
within
the
community
depart
development
department
will
be
involved
for
all
the
structural
type
issues.
Another
question
we're
getting
is:
when
will
the
surveys
be
complete?
As
you
know,
many
of
the
homeowners
received
a
notice
asking
for
permission
to
get
on
your
property
to
do
surveys.
We
received
those
back
from
most
homeowners
that
we
finally
got
it
clear.
C
We
ought
to
have
a
clear
day
at
noon
and
do
a
flyover
with
the
plane
for
topographical
reasons.
We
have
that
now
the
surveys
should
be
complete
week
of
May.
First
that
week
the
property
owners
who
designed
the
permission
slip
will
be
getting
a
call
from
the
engineer.
So
you
will
have
your
surveys
complete
and
at
that
point
we
get
caught.
You
could
ask,
let
us
know,
or
your
engineer
or
your
architect
could
let
us
know
what
format
you
want.
C
That
survey
and
whether
it's
a
CAD
format,
a
PDF
format,
and
we
can
email
that
to
you
or
actually
get
you
excuse
me
or
get
you
a
hard
copy
on
the
engineering
side.
We've
got
questions
about.
When
will
we
finally
get
access
through
glenview?
Dr
now,
right
now
the
NTSB
will
not
allow
us
to
fill
that
hole
and
until
we
fill
that
hole
we
cannot
provide
safe
access
through
that
neighborhood.
C
So
once
we
get
word
from
NTSB
that
their
investigation
is
done,
we'll
be
able
to
quickly
provide
some
temporary
access
to
that,
and
once
we
have
all
the
details
together,
we'll
be
able
to
have
permanent
access
through
the
neighborhood.
So
we're
working
with
NTSB
closely
to
make
sure
this
happens
quickly
and
will
keep
the
neighborhood
updated
so
that
you
will
have
access
through
glam
view,
drive
and
be
able
to
get
to
lunardi's
or
get
to
San
Bruno
Avenue
quickly,
they're,
also
the
same
question
in
terms
of
infrastructure.
C
What's
the
water
situation
was
the
sewer
situation
out
there?
Temporary
measures
have
been
put
in
place,
so
there
is
water.
There
is
sewer.
One
thing
that
we're
working
on
now
is
a
bit
of
a
tricky
issue,
because
we
are
working
with
you
know,
close
to
50
ohm
owners
on
rebuilding
and
a
lot
of
construction
going
on
is
lining
up
how
the
public
public
infrastructure
is
going
to
be
complete,
the
permanent
ones
compared
to
the
final
infrastructure.
C
For
instance,
when
you
have
50
contracting
crews
going
through
the
neighborhood,
you
probably
don't
want
to
put
in
your
final
Road
and
sidewalks
in
that
can't
be
damaged
during
the
construction
process,
so
we're
working
on
a
visioning
strategy,
we're
working
on
a
detailed
strategy
in
order.
So
when
the
permanent
improvements
do
go
in
there
there
and
they
look
great
and
they
look
as
great
as
the
neighborhood
will
be
from
a
design
standpoint.
So,
as
always,
my
departments
there,
if
you
have
any
questions
from
the
development
standpoint,
the
public
services
department
is
always
here.
C
If
you
have
any
questions
from
an
nearing
or
a
public
infrastructure
standpoint,
so
we'll
continue
to
update
the
neighborhood
as
things
progress
anytime
on.
If
you
go
to
our
website
as
san
bruno
CA,
gov
click
on
glenview
there's
the
rebuilding
section
there
and
all
the
public
review
homes
are
posted
there.
So
you
can
see
the
design
that
were
approved,
so
you
could
see
the
new
homes
that
worth
in
your
neighborhood
and
please
give
us
a
call
or
email
us.
If
you
have
any
questions.
Thank
you.
A
B
D
D
The
center
is
supported
by
donations
from
the
peninsula
healthcare
district
to
both
the
city
of
san
bruno
and
to
the
American
Red
Cross,
and
the
American
Red
Cross
staff
did
a
wonderful
job
of
remodeling
inside
making
sure
that
it
is
available
for
services
for
the
residents
of
the
neighborhood.
Some
of
the
services
that
are
available
at
the
center
are
mental
health,
counseling
and
referral
case
management,
housing
and
health
services
resident
resources.
There's
computers
that
you
can
go
down
and
use
there's
office
equipment
that
is
available
for
you
there.
D
There
are
also
many
trainings
or
meetings
that
are
held
by
members
of
the
long
term
recovery
committee
and
those
are
there.
The
center
is
open
on
a
drop-in
basis,
from
9am
to
5pm
on
weekdays
and
at
other
times
when
there
are
scheduled
classes
or
activities.
You
can
also
call
down
and
set
up
an
appointment
with
any
of
the
case
managers
to
help
you
with
any
of
the
needs
you
may
have.
There
are
flyers
on
the
back
table
as
you
leave
here
today
with
all
the
information,
including
the
phone
number
for
the
resource
and
recovery
center.
D
So
please
grab
one
of
those
on
the
way
out.
Also,
as
mayor
was
saying
that
there
are
two
events
that
are
being
planned
by
the
long
term
recovery
committee
and
our
local
service
organizations,
the
San
Bruno
Lions,
Club,
sampurna,
Rotary
Club
and
those
plans
are
going
on.
You
will
hear
more
details
about
them
within
the
next
week
or
so.
The
first
one
of
those
will
be
held
on
May
22nd.
D
It
will
be
sunday
we
are
looking
at
a
Sunday
afternoon
in
the
park
there
we
held
an
event
up
here
at
the
Senior
Center
on
January,
eighth
and
I
know.
Many
of
you
are
here
for
that.
It
will
be
similar
where
there
will
be
food
and
children's
activities,
but
the
main
part
of
it
is
a
chance
for
for
residents
of
the
neighborhood
to
socialize
to
get
together
and
if
there's
any
support,
that's
needed.
Those
services
will
be
there
well.
D
If
you
have
any
ideas
or
thoughts
on
what
you
would
like
to
see
on
either
one
of
those
events
you
can
see
me
after
the
meeting
you
can
leave
one
of
the
slips
of
paper
for
us
and
we
will
take
those
ideas-
the
long
term
recovery
committee
members
and
the
service
club
representatives
we're
meeting
tomorrow
to
begin
the
planning
and
again
we
will
get
that
information
to
you
soon.
So,
if
you
just
put
those
dates
on
the
calendar
for
now
may
22nd
in
September,
ninth,
thank
you.
A.
B
Couple
of
introductions
that
work,
mate,
mark
hirschman
from
assembly,
member
Jerry,
Hills
offices
with
us
and
at
very
short
notice.
The
district
attorney
from
this
county,
who
I'm
just
so
impressed
with
Steve
Wagstaffe,
agreed
to
come
to
answer
any
questions
based
on
the
new
revelation
that
came
out
earlier
today
about
the
US
Attorney
investigation.
I
also
had
a
couple
of
announcements:
I
forgot
to
make
early
on
the
Secretary
of
Transportation
Ray
LaHood
will
be
here
on
May
nineteenth
to
view
the
rupture
site
and
to
evaluate
what
needs
to
be
done
from
a
national
perspective.
B
We
have
a
hundred
and
eighty
seven
thousand
miles
of
pipeline
nationally
that
have
not
been
tested,
so
he
is
very
anxious
to
come
out
and
view
it
firsthand
I
think
that's
a
great
indication
of
the
fact
that
this
just
didn't
happen
to
the
community
of
San
Bruno.
It
happened
to
this
nation
and
we
need
to
take
steps
to
make
sure
it
doesn't
happen
again.
B
Deborah
Hersman,
who
is
the
chair
of
the
National
Transportation
Safety
Board,
will
be
out
here
on
jun,
8th
to
view
the
site
as
well,
and
she
has
committed
that
the
report
by
the
NTSB
will
be
completed
by
August
30th,
so
we
sure
have
their
conclusions
and
certainly
their
recommendations
as
well
by
that
time,
and
we
will
look
forward
to
both
those
visits
and
be
I
think
very
grateful
for
any
insights.
They
provide
us
I
like
to
also
point
out
to
PG
knees.
Credit.
B
You
may
recall
that
I
introduced
a
bill
last
year
on
the
heels
of
the
explosion.
That
was
a
national
pipeline
safety
bill
that
had
three
major
components.
One
was
a
notice
to
all
residents
within
2,000
feet
of
a
transmission
line
that
they'd
be
noticed
by
the
local
utility
that
automatic
and
remote
shut
off
valves
be
placed
in
high
consequence
areas
along
transmission
lines
and
third,
that
there
be
a
provision
whereby
various
utilities
across
the
country
would
provide
for
first
responder
training
and
information
to
be
Jenny's
credit.
B
A
A
E
If
I,
if
I
may
first
off,
there
are
gas
transmission
and
gas
distribution
lines
in
the
service
turn
around
san
bruno
and
what
we've
been
talking
about
is
specifically
gas
transmission
lines.
There
is
actually
a
map
over
there
at
the
side.
That
gives
you
a
little
bit
more
information
on
what
is
actually
in
and
around
the
area
what's
actually
been
abandoned
in
the
area,
which
is
that
segment
of
pipe
that
ruptured
on
set
last
year
and
is
now
out
of
service
and
all
the
gas
transmission
lines
that
are
in
the
service
area.
E
It
in
terms
of
distribution
lines,
there
are
gas
distribution
lines
throughout
all
all
the
roads,
and
there
is
a
gas
service
line
to
every
one
of
your
home's.
That's
how
we
deliver
guests
into
your
home,
so
I
don't
think
that
you'll
find
the
maps
online
to
be
necessarily
incorrect.
You
may
just
simply
be
looking
at
one
map
that
has
a
distribution
line
on
it,
and
the
other
map
has
transmission
lines
on
it,
but
that
one
up
there
is
accurate
and
correct.
E
E
E
A
E
Don't
know
what
specific
letter
you're
talking
about.
There
have
been
many
letters
go
out
to
the
citizens
and
the
residents
of
San
Bruno.
We
send
out
letters
any
time,
we're
doing
any
survey
work.
Any
integrity,
management,
work,
you're,
sending
out
letters
as
congresswoman
Spears
pointed
out
to
all
the
residents
within
2,000
feet
of
a
pipeline.
E
All
the
residents
of
San
Bruno
should
be
receiving
a
letter
around
gas
safety,
and
it
came
with
a
little
brochure
in
case
you
lost
it,
there's
more
back
there,
but
any
time
we
are
doing
work,
including
the
pressure
testing,
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
including
inspections,
including
integrity
management,
including
digging
up
the
pipeline
to
verify
its
condition.
You
will
receive
a
letter
on,
and
it
should
in
that
letter
have
a
communications
point
of
what
to
do
in
case.
E
A
E
E
You
well
good
evening,
everyone,
and-
and
thank
you
for
joining
us
tonight
again
on
my
name-
is
kirk
johnson
I'm,
the
vice
president
of
gas
engineering
and
operations
for
Pacific,
Gas
and
Electric
and
Mayor
one
and
congresswoman
Spears.
Thank
you
again
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
this
group.
I
did
want
to
cover
very
quickly
three
points.
Some
of
them
have
already
been
hit
on,
so
I'll
go
through
them
relatively
quickly.
The
first
was
our
effort
to
educate
our
customers
in
terms
of
gas
safety.
E
The
second
is:
what
are
we
doing
for
the
system
in
the
year
2011?
What
exactly
are
we
doing,
and
what
does
that
look
like
and
then
a
little
more
specifically,
what
will
you
see
in
and
around
the
city
of
San
Bruno
specific
to
the
activity
tied
to
2011
in
terms
of
our
education
of
our
customers?
As
congresswoman
Spears
pointed
out,
we
are
sending
a
letter
out
to
everybody
in
the
service
territory
about
2.5
million
customers
will
receive
a
letter
from
PG&E
if
they're
within
2,000
miles
of
a
gas
transmission
or
2,000
feet.
E
Excuse
me
2,000
feet
clarify
that
that
would
go
far
and
beyond
the
safety
safety
activity
that
she
requested
two
thousand
feet
of
gas
transmission
pipeline
in
that
letter,
will
the
brochure
around
safety
tips
for
gas
transmission
lines
gas
lines
in
general?
Talking
about?
Please
call
before
you
dig
if
you
smell
gas,
what
to
do
and
how
to
gain
additional
information
on
the
gas
transmission
system.
If
you're
interested
and
again
it's
a
little
blue
Lou
brochure,
many
of
you
have
probably
already
received
into
this
room.
E
If
you're
like
myself
and
you've
misplaced
it,
there
are
additional
copies
for
you
in
the
back
and
please
share
the
information
with
the
folks
who
are
living
with
with
your
family
and
with
your
friends
in
terms
of
what
PG&E
is
doing
this
year
in
terms
of
in
checking
the
integrity
of
our
lines.
Over
and
above
everything
else
that
has
previously
happened,
and
it's
already
been
pointed
out-
we've
already
committed
to
pressure,
testing
or
hydro
testing
152
miles
of
pipeline
and
we're
replacing
that
pipeline
throughout
our
entire
service
territory.
E
In
order
to
accomplish
that,
because
when
you
pressure
test
the
pipe,
you
can't
just
simply
pressure
test
the
segment
that
hasn't
previously
been
pressure
tested,
you
need
to
be
in
an
area
where
you
have
lots
of
room
and
and
you're
able
to
do
construction
work.
We
actually
will
be
pressure
testing
about
250
miles
of
pipe,
but
about
a
hundred
of
that
has
already
been
previously
pressure
tested
that
work
will
be
going
on
throughout
the
service
territory.
This
is
a
major
undertaking
for
PG&E.
E
This
is
about
91
separate
pressure
tests
and
we
conducted
it
historically
about
three
to
four
years.
So
it's
a
huge
huge
change
for
us
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
work
we're
going
to
be
doing,
and
it's
a
big
change,
because
we
have
to
take
the
pipes
out
of
service
in
order
to
do
that,
and
the
major
majority
to
work
is
the
engineering
and
the
construction
work
necessary
to
make
sure
we
can
continue
to
feed
customers
and
serve
customers.
All
that
segment
of
line
is
out
of
service
specific
to
San
Bruno.
E
There
are
two
areas
that
you're
going
to
see
activity
in
and
around
this
area.
The
first
area
is
right
off
crestwood
at
a
facility
at
PG&E
facility
called
Healy
station.
This
is
a
location.
We
did
a
lot
of
work
last
year
and
so
a
lot
of
the
residents
in
that
area
have
seen
pge
out
there
quite
a
bit
and
I
know.
Many
folks
in
this
room
have
probably
visited
that
location.
We
are
scheduled
the
pressure
test,
a
three-mile
segment
of
line
starting
at
Healy
station
and
moving
into
South
San
Francisco.
E
So
there
will
be
a
great
deal
of
work
in
and
around
that
area
in
terms
of
construction,
construction,
crews,
crews,
looking
around
and
doing
the
engineering
to
make
sure
we
can
feed
customers
appropriately
during
this
time
period
and
that
sort
of
activity.
You
will
also
see
if
you
venture
up
into
that
area,
a
great
deal
of
work
at
South,
San
Francisco
at
the
midpoint
of
that
line,
and
also
at
the
end
of
the
line.
The
other
location
that
you'll
see
a
great
deal
activity
is
what
we
call
the
San
Andreas
station.
E
E
To
give
you
just
a
feel
for
what
pressure
testing
is
or
hydro
testing
is
in
essence,
what
we
do
is
the
engineering
and
the
construction
necessary
to
make
sure
we
can
still
feed
to
feed
customers
after
the
pipe
is
taken
out
of
service.
Once
that
work
is
completed,
we
will
then
valve
the
sectional
line
off.
We
will
blow
the
gas
down
and
evacuate
the
gas
from
the
pipeline.
We
will
then
cut
the
pipeline
free
from
its
connection
points.
E
We
will
run
a
pig
what's
known
as
a
cleaning
pig
through
the
pipeline
to
evacuate
any
debris
or
liquids
in
the
pipe,
and
then
we
will
start
the
construction
process
of
putting
on
what
we
call
test
heads.
These
are
big
pieces
of
specialized
equipment
that
we
use
for
pressure
testing.
They
are
about
anywhere
from
12
to
15
feet.
Long
and
they'll
be
30
to
36
inches
in
diameter
for
the
pipeline's
that
we're
talking
about
here
in
the
San
Bruno
area,
there's
also
a
lot
of
other
activity
and
pressure
equipment
that
gets
hooked
up.
E
The
pipe
is
simply
filled
up
with
water,
and
then
it
is
pressurized
to
a
point
in
excess
of
its
maximum
allowable
operating
pressure,
as
it
would
currently
or
normally
operate
in
general.
The
pressure
that
we
test
two
is
about
1.5
times
the
maximum
allowable
operating
pressure.
So
if
a
pipeline
normally
has
a
maximum
operating
pressure
of
400
pounds,
we're
going
to
pressure
test
to
at
least
600
pounds,
and
normally
those
tests
take
about
eight
hours
to
conduct.
E
That
is
a
normal
standard,
hydrostatic
test
and
as
congresswoman
Spears
pointed
out,
this
is
one
of
the
many
standards
available
to
ensure
the
integrity.
The
pipeline
is
something
used
throughout
the
gas
pipeline
business.
The
oil
pipeline
business
is
used
on
propane
tanks
that
you
use
in
your
barbecue
and
folks
who
work
off
a
profane
very,
very
common
test
procedure,
and
that
is
what
PG&E
will
undertake
going
forward
in
terms
of
what
you
will
see
in
your
neighborhoods.
Is
when
the
gas
is
blown
down
you
may
smell
gas.
You
will
be
notified
of
that.
E
We
will
be
sending
out
letters
the
first
responders
to
cities,
counties
everybody
in
the
area.
There
will
be
door
hangers,
but
the
reality
of
us
in
day-to-day
life.
We
forget
about
these
activities
and
when
it
happens,
it
comes
back
to
light,
but
you
will
smell
a
little
bit
of
gas
on
the
day.
It
is
blown
down.
In
concluding
my
remarks,
I
would
just
simply
like
to
say
again
thank
you
for
coming
tonight
and
I.
E
Thank
you
for
your
patience
in
advance
of
all
the
activity
is
going
to
go
on
that
PG&E
will
likely
put
you
through.
Construction
can
be
noisy,
it
can
cause,
it
can
cause
issues
in
the
streets
in
terms
of
migrating
through
the
streets
and
it
can
cause
other
traffic
issues
and
those
will
all
occur
during
this
construction
activity,
but
it
is
critical
that
we
do
this.
E
B
E
The
the
the
issue
that
stands
as
pressure
testing
as
defined
for
the
pipe
and
the
pipe
doesn't
care.
What's
in
it
to
be
tested,
it
doesn't
care
if
it
sees
water,
natural
gas,
air,
kool-aid
or
anything
else
you
want
to
put
in
it.
You
pressurize
that
up
and
you're
testing
the
integrity.
The
pipeline
water,
testing
or
hydro
testing
is,
without
a
doubt,
the
most
common
type
of
testing.
It
is
used,
probably
ninety
to
ninety-five
percent
of
the
time.
It's
the
easiest
to
work
with.
E
There
are
scenarios
where
you
can't
hydro
test
or
water
test,
and
those
scenarios,
generally
speaking,
are
in
and
around
waterways,
where,
if
a
release
of
water
was
to
occur,
it
could
cause
a
problem
for
the
environment
and
over
some
of
the
older
bridges
in
the
state
of
California
and
other
states
where,
if
you
were
to
fill
up
a
large
diameter
pipeline
full
of
water,
that
the
weight
of
that
water
in
itself
would
cause
a
problem
for
the
bridge.
So
in
general,
hydro,
testing
and
pressure
testing
are
used
synonymous
there.
They
go
back
and
forth.
E
B
E
In
terms
of
the
mileage
and
just
for
clarification,
I
think
you're
all
well
aware
that
we
were
ordered
and
request
recommended
by
the
NTSB
and
ordered
by
the
CPUC
to
review
our
records
and
report
out
and
that
occurred
on
March
fifteenth
earlier
this
year,
and
there
are
pipelines
that
do
not
have
pressure
test
records.
Those
pipelines,
pressure,
test
records,
pressure,
testing
was
required
in
night
started
in
nineteen
sixty
one
in
the
state
of
California,
so
any
pipeline
built
prior
to
that
would
not
necessarily
have
a
pressure
test
record.
E
It
wasn't
done
so
for
that
segment
of
pipes
and
whether
we,
whether
it
ends
up
being
four
hundred
miles
or
five
hundred
miles
or
how
its
previously
reported
in
some
of
the
papers,
is
larger
than
that.
What
will
be
filing
with
the
Commission
in
two
months
is
just
what
to
do
with
every
one
of
those
segments
of
pipe
pressure.
Testing
is
certainly
an
option.
Replacing
is
another
very
viable
option
in
many
cases
or
there
may
be
other
circumstances.
E
A
Regarding
the
pressure
testing,
question
came
up
with
this
hydro
testing.
How
do
you
determine
if
the
pipe
is
safe?
Does
it
blow?
Does
it?
In
other
words,
what
indication
does?
Does
it
give
you
that,
in
fact
the
pipe
is
safe
and,
of
course,
how
do
you
measure
and
what
happens
if
the
pipe
is
not
safe?
Okay,.
E
The
pressure
test,
as
I
mentioned,
is
we
will.
We
will
fill
in
this
particular
case.
We're
talking
about
hydro
test.
Also,
I'll
stay
focused
on
that
we
will.
We
will
evacuate
the
gas.
We
will
fill
that
pipeline
up
with
water
and
we
will
pump
that
water
up
to
a
pressure
well
in
excess
of
any
pressure
will
see
during
normal
operations.
There's
really
two
purposes
to
a
ways.
What
it
typically
is
called
a
pressure
test.
E
One
is
to
ensure
the
integrity
of
the
pipeline
to
ensure
the
seams
in
that
pipe,
and
then
the
steel
of
that
pipe
can
withstand
the
pressure.
Excuse
me:
that's
the
first
issue
you're
looking
for
and
the
second
issue
you're
looking
for.
Is
there
a
leak
in
the
pipeline
itself?
The
way
the
pipeline
test
works?
Is
you
bring
out
certified
you
bring
out
folks
who
do
this
for
a
living
and
that's
what
PG&E
will
do
would
be
hiring
close
to
do
hydrostatic
testing
you
hook
up
equipment
to
that
and
you
monitor
the
temperature.
E
The
pressure
is
up
and
down
the
pipeline
at
the
low
point
at
the
high
point,
and
then
you
also
have
another
third
party
that
sits
over
the
top
and
make
sure
it
gets
done
correctly
in
addition
to
the
cpuc,
which
will
normally
join
us
there
and
making
sure
this
all
goes
correctly,
and
you
will
monitor
the
pressure
in
that
pipeline
for
a
minimum
of
eight
hours
to
make
sure
nothing
happens.
What
what
can
happen
or
what?
What
people
talk
about?
What?
If
something
doesn't
work
right,
which
I
think
was
part
of
the
question?
E
There
are
two
things
that
can
happen
during
a
hydro
test
that
that
aren't
necessarily
what
we
want
to
see.
The
first
is
that
we
have
a
leak
in
the
pipe
itself.
This
can
happen
either
on
a
fitting
or
on
another
piece
that
doesn't
normally
see
that
kind
of
pressure
and
leaks
and
or
it
can
happen
on
the
pipeline
itself,
if
there's
a
active
corrosion
or
something
else
for
the
pipeline
actually
leaks,
those
are
pretty
easy
to
find
with
water.
E
So
if
that
case
occurs-
and
that's
probably
the
most
likely
case,
if
pressure
just
doesn't
work
the
first
time,
we
will
dig
up
that
pipeline
and
we
will
repair
the
leak
either
putting
on
a
sleeve,
which
is
a
big
metal
band
that
goes
around
the
entire
pipeline
or,
if
necessary,
we'll
replace
a
section
of
the
pipeline,
and
it
will
start
all
over
again,
and
you
have
to
continue
to
do
this
until
you
pass
the
actual
test
itself.
The
second
issue
is
a
pipeline
seemed,
and
that
is
when
pipes
are
made.
E
They
are
made
out
of
steel
and
they
are
rolled
together
and
then
welded
at
the
top
of
the
manufacturers
facility.
That
pipeline
seemed
potentially
could
fail.
The
pipeline
seams
are
at
the
top
of
the
pipes
when
they're
constructed,
and
so
there
would
be
a
significant
amount
of
water
in
that
area,
and
you
would
see
a
small
burst
of
energy
when
it
first
released
its
water,
but
it's
a
non
compressible
fluid.
So
what
you
get
is
a
it
would
look
like.
E
Maybe
a
water
main
that
might
break
in
the
neighborhood
or
it
might
look
like
somebody
who's
emptying
their
pool
in
your
neighborhood,
where
you
just
have
a
lot
of
water
running
down
the
road
and
obviously,
in
that
situation
we
will
dig
up
the
pipe.
We
will
replace
that
piece
of
pipe
and
we
will
start
the
entire
process
over
again.
You
have
to
stay
within
certain
parameters
at
each
elevation,
point
high
point
and
low
point
for
an
entire
eight-hour
period
or
the
pressure
test.
That
does
not
pass
and
therefore
has
to
be
redone
again.
E
Yes,
any
any
leaks
that
occur
on
a
pressure
test
are
reported
to
the
CPUC.
Now
they
will
be
reported
in
the
future
and
they're
reported
as
part
of
the
hydrostatic
test
process,
and
it
is
required
that
you
mark
down
any
activity
that
happened
during
that
test,
including
leaks
or
seem
failures.
So
there's
a
record
of
it
and.
F
Will
and
if
I
can
just
vote
re
we
will
and
if
I
can
just
add
a
little
bit
more
to
that
that
this
whole
testing
process
that
mr.
Johnson's
talking
about
has
been
worked
out
in
conjunction
with
the
PUC
engineers,
with
the
PUC
staff
and
we've
written
down
the
requirements
of
what
PG&E
is
going
to
do,
what
their
obligations
are
to
us
and
to
you,
and
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
they
do.
That
and.
E
I
would
simply
add
that
you
will
receive
a
letter
that
a
hydro
test
is
taking
place
in
your
neighborhood
you'll,
be
invited
to
a
town
hall
or
excuse
me
on
Town
Hall,
a
walk
in
where
you
can
learn
more
about
hydro
testing.
Then
you've
probably
ever
cared
to
know,
but
can
answer
all
your
questions
and
then,
after
the
pressure
test
is
done,
you'll
receive
a
letter
from
us
on
the
results
also
and.
A
E
A
E
Well,
I
can't
I
can't
speak
to
that.
If
you
are
within
2,000
feet,
you've
probably
got
a
letter
from
us
if
you're
in
the
city
of
San
Bruno
everybody
in
the
city
of
San
Bruno
got
got
a
letter,
so
we
simply
look
at
it
and
we
can
look
at
the
map
over
there
and
and
determine
what
your
address
is
and
see
if
in
reality,
exactly
what
you're
up
against.
E
G
F
G
B
B
Think
that
for
for
those
of
you
who
have
received
actual
payments
from
pge
those
were
initial
payments,
some
of
you
have
negotiated
with
pge
final
settlement.
Some
of
you
have
sought
legal
advice,
I'm,
presuming
that
that
process
is
ongoing
and
that
p
GD
has
been
responsive
to
you.
That's
not
the
case.
You
should
certainly
let
the
city,
fathers
and
mothers
know
or
let
my
office
know.
B
Is
from
Larry
Greenberg
my
homeowner's
insurance
increased
by
two
hundred
dollars
this
year?
Was
it
approved
by
the
Department
of
Insurance
before
September
night,
having
some
experience
with
the
insurance
department
in
California
over
a
number
of
years?
What
I'd
like
to
do
Larry
is,
is
have
my
office
research.
G
Whatever
the
insurance
is
going
to
add
points
whatever
the
insurance
company
is,
they
are
going
to
put
points
it's
just
like
automobile
insurance
and
your
insurance
will
increase
now.
I
haven't
pursued
it
since
then.
This
was
about
about
October
or
November,
but
they
said
that
it
would
be
increased
because
of
this
because
of
the
Queen.
Well.
B
As
you
remember,
the
Insurance
Commissioner
I
think
actually
came
here
and
held
a
hearing.
I
will
you
know,
pursue
it,
because
I
do
think
that
there
could
be
an
effort
by
some
insurers
to
take
advantage
of
the
circumstances
when
in
fact
there
there
really
should
be
no
points
at
it.
I
believe
that,
once
everything
is
said
and
done,
san
bruno
is
going
to
be
the
safest
place
to
live
near
a
natural
gas
transmission
line,
and
so
certainly
having
points
associated
with
your
insurance
should
not
be
indicated.
B
I
had
one
look
one
last
question:
when
is
the
reassessment
being
done?
This
is
from
mr.
Sorenson
on
Earl.
This
is
a
County
issue.
I,
don't
know
if
mr.
Wagstaffe
can
respond
to
that
question.
Reassessments
are
done
on
a
regular
basis
every
year.
If
you
want
to
appeal
the
assessment
on
your
property,
there
is
a
process
and
a
form
to
fill
out
to
do
that.
They
are
automatically
reassessed
downward
in
circumstances
where
the
actual
property
assessment
value
has
been
reduced
and
they
can
also
be
reduced
by
virtue
of
the
appeals
process
and
if
mr.
B
A
Alright,
this
goes
to
both
Kirk
and
Paul,
and
you
can
just
sit
there
because
you
probably
want
to
sit
there
for
this
one
anyway.
How
can
consumers
be
assured
that
all
testing
results
will
be
credible
and
forthcoming,
since
accountability
of
both
agencies
has
been
less
than
acceptable?
From
a
customer
standpoint,
what
agency
will
monitor
CPUC
to
ensure
credibility?
Well,.
F
Let
me
start
on
that,
so
I'm
Paul
klanan
again
I'm
the
I'm,
the
executive
director
at
the
Public
Utilities
Commission
I'm,
a
26-year
veteran
of
the
PUC
I've
worked
in
energy
issues.
My
whole
career
I've
been
the
executive
director
now
for
about
four
years
who
oversees
the
PUC
you
do
and
and
everything
that
we
do
happens
in
public
will
be
making
public.
F
Actually,
if
you
go
to
the
PUC
website,
now,
you'll
see
the
letters
that
go
back
and
forth
between
congresswoman
Speier
and
the
Public
Utilities
Commission
between
PG&E
in
the
Public
Utilities
Commission
we've
thrown
open
the
doors
we
are
as
transparent
as
we
can
possibly
be.
We
understand
that
our
credibility
is
at
stake
here,
not
just
to
what
happened
on
September
9th,
but
what
happens
everyday
post-september,
ninth
from
today
and
today
on
forward,
so
the
doors
are
open
and
we
are
as
transparent
as
you
can
possibly
be.
F
I
am
overseen
by
five
commissioners,
their
appointed
by
the
governor
I'm
overseen
by
the
California
State
Legislature
some
days
it
seemed.
It
seems
to
me
that
I'm
overseen
by
just
about
everybody
in
the
state
I
agree
with
congresswoman
Speier,
that
san
bruno
and
not
just
san
bruno
but
northern
california,
and
not
just
northern
california,
is
going
to
be
the
safest
place
to
live
near
a
natural
gas
pipeline
when
this
is
done.
F
The
what
happened
here
in
this
town,
what
happened
just
a
mile
or
so
from
here
is
a
game
changer,
it's
a
game
changer
at
the
Public
Utilities
Commission,
it's
game,
changer
pge,
it's
a
game-changer,
much
more
broadly
than
that,
and
when
I
get
a
chance
to
do
few
remarks,
all
I'll
talk
about
that
a
little
bit.
We
understand
that
the
Public
Utilities
Commission,
who
we
work
for
and
we
understand
who
are
accountable
to
and
you're
right
here
in
this
room.
E
Pipelines
are
pressure
test
at
any
time
there
when
they're,
when
they're
constructed
brand-new
anything.
Since
nineteen
sixty
one
is
pressure
tested
when
it's
first
built
at
the
mill,
and
then
it
has
put
it
on
to
what
we're
calling
now.
A
pressure
test
is
actually
done
on
site
right
after
construction,
and
then
they
can
be
pressure
tested
again
if
they
need
to
be
pressure
tested
to
validate
their
mao
p.
Normally
other
integrity
management
tools
are
used
over
and
above
pressure
testing
after
a
new
pipeline
is
put
into
play,
but.
E
E
F
F
In
addition
to
other
things,
what
happened
on
September
9th
changes
that
it's
it's
that's
not
going
to
last
in
California
may
well
know
lot
not
last
nationally,
probably
the
single
most
important
thing
that
the
PUC
is
doing
in
California
right
now,
in
addition
to
taking
immediate
daily
steps
to
make
sure
by
pressure,
reductions
and
hydro
testing
the
mr.
Johnson's
talked
about,
but
that
system
is
as
safe
as
it
can
be
is
to
turn
the
page
on
that
grandfathering
and
replace
it
with
things
that
have
been
tested
or
pipes
that
have
been
replaced
and
tested.
F
The
Public
Utilities
Commission
is
looking
hard
at
that
right
now.
I'll
say
a
word
about
how
we
do
that
and
how
you
can
participate.
But
when
you
peel
it
all
back
what
needs
to
happen
as
a
result
of
what
we
learned
from
what
happened
here
is
that
that
grandfathering
has
to
go
away
and
there
have
to
be
no
assumptions
and
there
have
to
be
no
guesses
about
the
about
the
natural
gas
pipeline
network.
It's
got
to
be
tested
or
it's
got
to
be
replaced
intestine.
B
Let
me
just
add
to
that.
In
conversations
with
the
chairwoman
of
the
NTSB,
she
has
made
it
very
clear
that
the
Congressional
process,
by
which
the
pipeline
safety
law
was
passed
and
signed,
had
a
rationale
that
suggested
that
if
these
pipes
have
been
operational
for
10,
20,
30
40
50
years,
they
therefore
must
be
safe
and
with
that
kind
of
rationale
the
grandfathering
was
created.
The
irony,
of
course,
is
that
the
older,
the
pipe
the
more
likely
that
it's
going
to
be
subject
to
corrosion
and
many
other
problems
and
fatigue.
B
F
A
H
Thank
you.
The
survey
work,
that's
being
done
and
I
believe
that,
as
mr.
Acton
indicated
that
continues
to
be
in
process.
We
hope
to
be
able
to
complete
that
fairly
soon.
It
was
something
that
we,
in
conjunction
with
some
of
the
early
homeowners
rebuilding
determined,
would
be
of
area
wide
benefit
that
their
a
survey
could
be
done
efficiently
and
could
be
done
in
a
manner
that
would
benefit
numbers
of
property
owners
again
in
an
efficient
and
we
hope
to
cost
effective
manner.
H
That
said,
if
there
are
property
owners
who
are
interested
in
working
together
with
the
city,
we
would
certainly
be
interested
in
hearing
from
you
and
assessing
the
need
and
the
interest
within
the
neighborhood
to
see
whether
that
would
be
an
efficient
and
effective
way
to
get
that
work
done
so
again,
mr.
ackman
or
in
mr.
Ackman's
temporary
absence
mark.
If
you
could
raise
your
hand,
please
mr.
H
A
H
I'd
like
to
give
a
quick
answer
to
that-
and
this
is
something
that
we
have
actually
not
yet
had
detailed
discussions
with
PG&E
about,
but
it's
something
that
again,
the
city
of
San
Bruno
would
be
very
interested
in
understanding
and
assessing
the
interest
within
the
community
and
within
the
neighborhood.
We
have
been
approached
by
a
an
organization
whose
business
it
is
to
assist
in
facilitating
design
and
development
of
energy
efficient
homes.
H
This
group
has
a
business
specialty
of
assisting
in
the
design
of
buildings
that
then
can
meet
LEED
standards.
I'm
sure
many
of
you
are
familiar
with
that
with
that
program
for
energy
efficiency,
there's
a
cost
associated
with
that,
and
they
generally
is
a
cost
a
little
bit
more.
It
costs
a
little
bit
more
to
build
a
LEED
certified
home,
and
so
this
group
is
has
also
been
active
in
trying
to
locate
funding
sources
both
for
their
services
as
well
as
potentially
to
assist
homeowners
in
working
towards
those
objectives
in
the
building
of
their
own
homes.
H
So
that's
something
that
again,
the
city
is
very
interested.
We've
had
some
initial
conversations
with
the
group.
It's
called
global,
green
and
we're
very
interested
in
understanding
from
the
community.
If
that's
something
that
it
at
least
a
few
of
you
are
interested
in,
then
we
would
like
to
coordinate
with
you
and
PGD,
and
anybody
else
to
see
if
we
might
be
able
to
make
that
happen
and.
H
So
I
think
what
I'll
just
do
is
supplement
what
mr.
Acton
said
earlier.
The
planning,
the
initial
planning
for
what
is
a
very
complicated
design
effort.
It
is
beginning-
and
that's
going
to
need
to
be
done
very
closely
in
conjunction
with
the
property
owners
that
are
rebuilding
their
proper
in
the
neighborhood.
So
we
are
in
the
process
of
putting
together
plans
to
develop
the
initial
alternatives,
analysis,
moving
them
to
the
design
of
the
actual
infrastructure
and
utilities
and
coordinating
with
property
owners
who
are
most
immediately
affected
and
who
need
those
services.
As
as
mr.
H
Acton
indicated.
Also
earlier,
water
and
sewer
services
are
available,
we've
made
a
permanent
repair
to
the
sewer
system.
We
do
that
almost
immediately
after
the
incident
in
the
first
period
of
time
after
September
ninth
and
we
have
made
temporary
repairs
to
the
water
system,
so
your
utilities
are
generally
in
place,
but
there's
a
complexity
associated
with
the
permanent
repairs
and
the
additional
infrastructure,
streets,
sidewalks,
etc.
A
H
Okay,
so
so
we
all
should
have
been
able
to
anticipate
that
putting
the
grass
seed
on
the
vacant.
Lots
was
not
only
necessary
to
prevent
the
erosion
threat,
but
that
eventually
it
would
grow
into
weeds
and
that
those
weeds
would
then
dry
out.
So,
unfortunately,
this
is
an
issue
that
I
just
heard
about
today
that
that's
already
beginning
to
happen,
so
I'll
be
working
with
the
staff
over
the
next
couple
of
days.
F
It's
good
to
get
a
look
at
who's
talking
with
you,
at
least
for
a
minute
Paul
clan
and
I'm,
the
executive
director
at
the
Public
Utilities
Commission
we're
headquartered
up
in
San
Francisco.
There
are
some
PUC
employees
here
in
the
room:
they're,
not
plants,
they're
people
who
live
nearby
here
and
there
they're
concerned
about
san
bruno
and
they're
they're
your
neighbors.
F
We
lost
one
of
our
own
in
the
explosion
and
fire
along
with
her
daughter
at
something
that
we
feel
what
happened
in
san
bruno
is
not
business
as
usual
for
us
and
the
work
that
we're
doing
to
follow
up
and
to
ensure
gas
pipeline
safety
is
not
business
as
usual.
In
any
way,
I've
said
that
here
in
this
room,
a
couple
of
times
before
and
I'll
say
it
here
again,
it's
a
game-changer.
F
What
happened
here
in
this
community
for
the
Public
Utilities
Commission
for
PG
neon
a
much
broader
stage,
so
we're
looking
at
three
things:
making
sure
that
PG&E
and
not
just
PG&E
but
also
the
gas
pipeline
systems
in
Southern
California
are
safe.
We
are
doing
that
by
ordering
and
encouraging
and
working
with
utilities,
to
do
these
record
searches
to
make
sure
that
they
know
what
they've
got
underground.
You
can't
operate
a
system
safely.
If
you
don't
know
what
you've
got
underground
once
you
do
know
what
you
have
underground.
F
That
leads
you
into
decisions
about
the
kinds
of
tests
that
you
should
be
doing
about
the
kinds
of
replacement
you
should
be
considering
in
alternatives
like
that.
We're
doing
that
all
up
and
down
the
state.
There
are
a
number
of
pipelines
throughout
Northern
California,
including
all
the
ones
here
on
the
peninsula,
that
we've
ordered
pressure,
reductions
on
or
the
pressure
reductions
of
fall
at
PUC
orders.
F
That's
to
make
sure
until
we
know
what
caused
the
explosion
in
detail
and
I'll
talk
about
that
in
a
sec
that
that's
to
ensure
that
we
know
that
those
pipelines
are
being
operated
safely
right
now,
they're
still
out
there
we're
all
still
gas
customers,
they're
still
gas
flowing
through
those
pipelines
to
make
sure
that
they're
safe.
Until
we
take
further
steps,
we've
had
pge
lower
the
pressure
and
we're
considering
doing
that
in
Southern
California
as
well.
So
thing
number
one
is
making
sure
that
the
gas
pipeline
network
that's
out
there
right
now
is
safe
thing.
F
Number
two
is
what
what
about
the
future
we've
talked
about.
This
grandfathering,
that's
over
and
we're
working
on.
What
replaces
it
congresswoman
Speier
is
a
leader
in
that.
So
are
we
here
in
in
in
California
we
have
the
ability
to
adopt
rules
that
are
that
go
further
than
the
federal
rules
will
be
exercising
that
ability
we're
already
pretty
far
down
the
road
of
a
formal
public
rulemaking
process.
To
do
that,
that's
what
I
know
I'm
going
to
use
the
buzzword
so
I'll
just
say
it.
That's
the
rulemaking
that
the
PUC
is
engaged
in.
F
If
you
go
to
our
website,
if
you
click
the
San
Bruno
button,
you
can
participate
in
that
rulemaking.
You
can
see
all
the
documents
and
you
yourself
can,
can
put
your
ideas
in
there
and
you
can
watch
us
as
we
make
that
decision
this
year.
It's
not
going
to
take
a
long
time.
We've
set
the
goal
of
making
those
decisions
this
year.
It's
a
public
process,
that's
actually
kind
of
lightning
fast
to
make
decisions
like
that.
F
A
lot
of
you
in
this
room
tonight
we're
here
for
the
public
participation
hearing
that
we
held
here
a
few
weeks
ago
that
was
in
that
rulemaking.
So
the
statements
that
you
made
the
statements
of
your
neighbors
made
those
ideas
are
now
in
our
rulemaking
and
they're
getting
considered.
So
we've
talked
about
the
grandfathering
just
a
few
concepts
that
are
also
several
of
these
in
congresswoman
Spears
proposed
legislation.
What
about
first
responders
and
emergency
response?
F
There
were
some
real
problems
with
that
here
in
San,
Bruno
will
be
having
a
public
process
inviting
the
first
responders
to
come
to
us
to
tell
us
what
rules
we
should
be
setting
for
how
much
information
to
the
utilities.
The
pipeline
operators
need
to
give
first
responders
in
advance
long
before
anything,
god
forbid
happens
and
in
the
event
of
a
crisis
in
the
event
of
emergency.
How
do
they
work
together?
Remote
control
valves
and
automatic
valance
took
90
minutes
to
to
get
the
gas
to
stop
flowing
here
in
San
Bruno.
F
That
needs
never
to
happen
again.
It's
not
a
cheap
thing
to
do
to
install
automatic
valves
or
remote
control
valves.
We
need
to
be
thoughtful
about
where
we
direct
those
things
to
be
installed,
but
they
very
clearly
need
to
be
part
of
the
pipeline
network.
There's
there's
a
lot
of
issues
in
that
rule.
Making
and
I
don't
want
to
just
drone
on
talking
about
all
of
them.
F
Now
the
PUC
staff
was
here
in
San
Bruno,
the
night
of
the
explosion
we've
been
investigating
and
since
then
we're
part
of
the
National
Transportation
Safety
Board
investigation
that
will
be
concluded.
We
understand
in
August,
so
we'll
know
from
the
NTSB
the
recognized
experts,
along
with
PUC
staff
and
others
exactly
what
happened
so
that
we
can
use
that
information
to
see
whether
pge
needs
to
be
penalized
and,
if
so,
how
and
how
much,
and
also
to
make
sure
that
we
take
that
information
into
this
going
forward
safety.
What
about
the
Public
Utilities
Commission?
F
We
very
early
on
understood
that
that
this
broke
right
people
died
as
a
result
of
a
failure
in
a
system
that
we
were
an
integral
part
of.
So
in
October
right
after
the
explosion,
we
announced
the
formation
of
an
independent
review
panel.
We
pointed
that
panel
in
November
they're
finishing
up
their
investigation
now
they're
going
to
make
their
recommendations
public
next
month
in
May.
It's
going
to
happen
even
before
the
NTSB
telling
us
how
the
PUC
should
change
and
how
PG&E
should
change
those
aren't
PUC
employees,
they
don't
work.
For
me.
F
You
know
they're,
not
answerable
to
the
PUC
commissioners.
They're,
independent
experts,
they're
independent
people,
we're
going
to
speak
their
mind
in
a
public
way
and
that
will
be
entirely
public
when
they
make
their
their
recommendations
and
you'll
have
a
chance
to
weigh
in
the
congresswoman
asked
a
couple
of
questions
and
I
want
to
make
sure
I
answer
them
who's
paying
for
this
testing
PG&E
is
paying
for
it.
So
the
work
that's
going
on
now
the
work
that
Kirk
talked
about
150
miles
of
hydro
testing
and
potential
replacement.
The
PG&E
is
undertaking
this
year.
F
Shareholders
are
paying
for
that.
There's
no
request
by
PG&E
the
rate
payers
pay
for
it.
P
Jeanne
has
every
right
someday
to
come
in
and
say
from
now
on.
We
want
ratepayers
to
to
help
out
with
the
paying
for
that.
If
they
ask,
then
the
PUC
will
have
a
very
public
process.
You
know
I.
I
invite
you
to
imagine
the
kinds
of
arguments
that
the
PUC
commissioners
would
have
to
hear
in
order
for
them
to
make
that
decision.
Alright,
that's
going
to
be
a
high
burden
to
me.
F
Pge
has
every
right
to
try
to
meet
that
burden
and
every
legal
right
and
I
fully
expect
them
to
try
to
do
that.
That
will
be
a
forward-looking
decision,
so
this
money
that's
being
spent.
Now
this
testing
that's
being
done
now,
you
will
not
pay
for
that.
Eugenie
shareholders
will
pay
for
it,
and
and
I
can
I
can
talk
in
more
detail
about
that
as
we
get
to
it
and
finally,
just
the
last
thing.
So
the
pipeline
replacement
program.
What
happened
to
that
money?
F
That's
the
direction
will
know
so
I'm
here
for
your
questions
and
I.
Thank
you
very
much
for
for
being
here
and
I,
really
just
say
that
my
heart
goes
out
to
this
community
and
when
I
drive
here
from
the
PUC
to
come
to
events
here,
I
am
fully
aware
that
I'm
driving
I'm
driving
the
route
that
Jackie
drove
the
night
of
the
explosion
just
a
few
minutes
before
the
explosion.
B
One
other
question:
what
agency
will
oversee
CPUC
to
ensure
that
testing
and
deficiency
issues
will
be
forthcoming?
Incredible
consumers
do
not
oversee
the
CPUC.
If
we
did,
we
wouldn't
be
sitting
here
tonight.
I
think
the
answer
to
that
question,
and
you
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
the
pipeline
and
hazardous
materials
administration
on
a
federal
level
oversees
the
cpuc.
B
F
B
I
Thank
you
and
good
evening:
I'm
Steve
Wagstaffe
I'm,
the
district
attorney,
the
United
States
Attorney's
office
in
San
Francisco,
which
covers
our
area.
Certainly
all
Northern
California
put
out
an
announcement
this
morning
that
they
are
conducting
an
investigation
into
this
matter.
That's
all
they're
going
to
say
they
won't
say
anything
further.
That
announcement
by
itself
was
a
very
unusual
thing
for
a
United
States
Attorney's
Office
to
do
normally.
They
neither
confirm
nor
deny
whether
any
investigation
is
going
on
its
significance
of
how
they're
approaching
this
matter.
I
But
again
we
will
not
hear
anything
else
from
the
United
States
Attorney
about
this
until
they've
completed
their
investigation.
Secondly,
the
district
attorney's
office.
My
office
has
been
involved
in
looking
at
this
entire
matter
since
September
of
last
year
and
again
without
going
into
detail
because
any
time
there's
an
ongoing
review
investigation
into
a
matter.
We
don't
go
into
details.
We
don't
describe
what
we're
doing
other
than
to
tell
you
that
I
have
been
in
contact
with
the
united
states
attorney's
office
with
the
california
attorney
general's
office.
I
Throughout
these
proceedings
and
myself,
your
police
chief
chief
telford,
we
are
all
working
together
hand
in
glove.
We
are
not
repeating.
Actions
were
not
covering
the
same
ground.
We
are
not
a
variety
of
different
agencies
falling
over
ourselves.
Inefficiently,
it's
not
being
done
that
way.
It's
a
very
cohesive!
Look
at
what's
going
on
and
beyond
that,
there's
not
a
whole
bunch
to
say
when
we're
doing
these
type
of
Investigations,
we
do
not
make
announcements.
The
only
thing
I
can
tell
you
is
what
you've
been
listening
to
with
congresswoman
and
others
tonight
in
San.
I
Bruno
is
going
forward
what's
being
done
going
forward.
What
are
we
going
to
do
to
ensure
something
like
this
doesn't
occur
again?
Both
PG&E
cpuc
have
said
that.
That's
not
what
we
do.
That's
not
where
our
focus
is.
Our
focus
is
on
what
occurred
back
in
September
and
the
events
on
that
day
and
what
led
up
to
it
on
that
day,
that's
what
our
review
investigation
is
looking
at
We
certainly
have
it.
You
have
it
in
very
good
hands
who
is
going
to
be
dealing
going
forward?
I
That's
not
where
we're
looking
we're
looking
to
see
whether
there
has
been
violation
of
California's
criminal
laws,
any
of
their
civil
enforcement
laws
to
determine
whether
any
action
is
warranted
by
our
office,
so
that's
sort
of
where
we're
at
what
we're
doing
and
again,
as
with
the
US
Attorney,
there
won't
be
any
incoming
there
won't
be
from
us
until
we've
completed.
One
thing:
that's
the
linchpin
that
was
mentioned
is
the
NTSB
report,
that's
crucial
for
us
too.
I
It's
no
different
than
if
we
were
dealing
on
a
farm
or
minor
thing,
but
assume
that
there
was
a
car
collision
in
which
somebody
was
killed.
Cases
we
deal
with
regularly.
We
don't
just
go
in
and
form
an
opinion
about
whether
there
was
a
crime
or
not.
We
wait
until
the
accident
reconstruction
is
done
and
tells
us
what
happened
this
far
more
significant
issue
is
the
same
thing.
We're
going
to
wait
till
the
NTSB
tells
us
what
happened.
I
So
when
that
report
comes
out
in
august
or
September,
we
will
be
as
avidly
looking
at
it
as
all
the
other
people
who
have
mentioned
that's
important,
and
so,
unless
there's
some
other
questions,
that's
what's
going
on
from
the
point
of
view
of
the
district
attorney's
office,
that's
what
was
going
on
with
that
announcement
from
the
US
Attorney's
Office
today
and
the
california
attorney
general's
office.
Again,
it
is
all
of
us
are
looking
at
it
from
a
different
perspective
than
what
you
heard
for
the
first
hour
and
20
minutes
tonight.
I
Thank
you
and
again
I've
been
to
several
these
town
meetings
and,
as
was
noted
earlier
every
time,
I
hear
what
you're
wrestling
with
my
heart
goes
out
to
you,
and
all
I
can
do
is
assure
you
that
your
district
attorney's
office
will
do
what's
right,
based
on
whatever
information
we
receive.
Thank
you
thank.
A
H
As
you
know,
I'm
the
city
manager,
your
city,
I,
don't
represent
pge.
It
is,
however,
I
do
have
some
information
and
I
and
I
thought
I
would
be
able
to
share
it.
From
my
perspective,
since
mr.
Johnson
is
not
associated
with
the
real
estate
division
and
pge
I
could
tell
you
what
we've
been
told
and
how
we've
been
coordinating
with
PG&E
about
the
Lots
that
may
come
into
pjs
ownership.
H
H
They
will
be
owned
by
pge.
However,
the
other
commitment
that's
been
made
by
PG&E
and
which
is
actively
being
followed
through
on,
is
that
discussions
and
decisions
about
the
disposition
of
those
Lots
will
be
made
collaboratively
with
the
city
of
San
Bruno.
At
this
point,
it's
my
understanding
and
my
strong
belief
that
Eugenia
has
not
made
a
decision.
Certainly,
the
city
of
San
Bruno
has
not
provided
defense
instruction
or
opinions
about
that.
We're
in
a
fairly
early
stage
of
the
repurchase
program.
H
I
believe
that
the
sort
of
general
interest
would
be
to
seek
some
way
of
assuring
that
those
Lots
do
not
remain
vacant,
but
that
they
are
in
some
in
some
manner
contributing
to
development
of
a
once
again
vital,
friendly
and
and
stable
secure
neighborhood.
So
that's
that's
what
I
know
at
this
time
and
again
we're
interested
in
the
communities
position
and
perspective
about
how
the
neighborhood
has
rebuilt,
what
it
looks
like
how
it
operates,
and
those
Lots
that
PG&E
might
ultimately
acquire
are
critical
in
my
opinion,
to
how
your
neighborhood
is
eventually
rebuilt.
G
H
H
H
Right
well,
yeah,
so
so
I
I
guess
this.
The
thing
I
could
say
right
now,
and
and
obviously
this
is
an
issue
that
we
need
to
work
on
quickly-
is
that
the
normal
process
for
dealing
with
property
owners
who
don't
maintain
their
properties
in
an
acceptable
manner,
is
our
code
enforcement
process
where
we
issue
notices
of
violation
when
we
seek
enforcement
I,
don't
think
that's
a
path
that
the
city
is
is
wanting
to
go
down
in
this
particular
case.
H
So
obviously
we
have
to
come
up
with
something
different
to
contact
and
work
with
those
property
owners
that
would
not
be
PG
knees,
responsibility
and
until
and
unless
they
are
the
property
owner
and
it's
not
except
from
an
enforcement
perspective.
It's
not
the
city's
initial
responsibility,
but
certainly
we
have
an
interest.
The
neighborhood
has
an
interest
and
and
I
think
we
need
to
put
something
together.
That
assures
you
don't
you're
likely
to
spend
a
fair
amount
of
time
looking
at
vacant,
lots
which,
which
I
think
you
had
you
know
we're
going
to
have
to
accept.
H
B
Thank
you
Jim.
You
know
once
again,
this
community
has
shown
me
how
in
one's
grief
and
in
one's
act
of
rebuilding,
you
can
conduct
yourself
in
a
very
responsible
and
effective
manner,
so
I
thank
you
for
showing
restraint
when
you
didn't
want
to
and
for
showing
once
again
what
a
great
community
san
bruno
is.
Thank.