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San Bruno City Council Meeting April 24, 2012
10c. Costs for Suggested Alternative Improvements to Memory Lane
B
C
So
those
are
discussed
in
some
detail
in
the
staff
report,
as
they
were
in
the
last
staff
report,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
about
them,
but
in
brief,
the
cameras
would
cost
about
eight
thousand
dollars
the
baller
it's
about
thirteen
thousand
dollars
and
the
ad
a
safety
improvements
about
twenty
thousand
dollars.
There
were
two
other
issues
that
some
of
the
council
members
raised
at
the
last
meeting.
First
of
all
was
what
was
the
cost
of
relocating
the
water
line?
C
That's
in
the
easement
under
the
grace
Honda
lot
and
we've
got
an
estimate
from
staff
of
about
four
hundred
and
forty
thousand
dollars
to
relocate.
That
second
question
was
asked:
what's
the
cost
of
relocating
excuse
me
of
closing
the
lane
with
fences
and
gates,
and
we
also
got
an
estimate
from
six
to
thirteen
thousand
depending
on
the
type
of
fence
material?
C
That's
that's
used
it
actually,
as
you
saw
in
an
earlier
presentation
tonight
from
SFO,
there
are
a
number
of
fence
alternatives,
some
of
which
they
were
proposing
along
their
property
that
are
different
than
the
cyclone
offenses
that
are
at
the
lower
end
of
our
cost
range.
What
what
SFO
is
proposing
is
a
type
of
fence-
that's
a
bit
at
the
higher
end
of
the
cost
range,
so
understanding
that
all
the
estimates
are
preliminary,
no
projects
have
been
designed
or
built.
C
Those
are
the
kind
of
the
best
numbers
we
could
come
up
with
so
tonight
we're
simply
requesting
direction
on
whether
to
implement
any
of
those
alternatives
and,
if
so,
whether
to
fund
them
now
from
one-time
revenues
since
they're
not
currently
budgeted
or
to
wait
for
a
decision
on
the
grant
application.
If
the
council
decides
to
wait
for
the
grant
application,
we
won't
find
out
about
that
until
July
and
possibly
later
and
realistically.
That
means
that
work
wouldn't
really
start
occurring
until
early
2013.
C
C
A
A
A
E
E
E
That
segment
is
a
little
different.
It
wasn't
part
of
the
original
1939
plane,
it's
constantly
traversed
by
vehicular
traffic,
so
it
presents
a
unique
danger
to
use
as
a
play
both
pedestrians
and
it's
des
trian,
so
we're
not
losing,
and
on
that
section
of
memory
lane
people
can
and
do
leave
the
link
and
traverse
the
Graceland
parking
lot,
mostly
in
the
diagonal
and
as
we
mentioned
last
week,
the
only
way
that
section
delay
constitutes
a
shortcut
is
if
people
actually.
E
E
E
E
A
Question
for
you
I
believe
it
one
of
the
previous
meetings.
I
asked
for
some
corroboration
if
you
will
from
fond
of
America
about
their
their
new
corporate
program
and
their
showroom
program
and
the
square
footage
is
and
that
they're
in
your
intent
was
to
have
grace
on
to
comply
with
that.
If
they
were
to
stay,
did
we
ever
get
anything
now.
E
C
E
A
It
was
stated
the
number
of
meetings
ago
that
if
you
don't
get
it
closed,
we're
going
to
have
to
move
and
they
want
us
to
do
so.
Many
thousand
square
feet
and
I
said
well.
Can
you
get
something
from
corporate
to
say?
You
know
this
is
what's
happening
not
just
here
but
in
another
location,
so
number
two
to
staff.
So
if
that
line,
if
the
water
line
stays
in
place
is
their
way
to
actually
build
over.
F
A
E
E
A
B
I
believe
we
discussed
offline
Marco,
some
some
of
the
same
points
that
that
that
the
attorney
brought
up
regarding
alleys
and
how
they're
defined
within
the
the
code
can
you
address
the
issues
that
she
brought
up
and
let
us
know
if
there
is
any
any
additional
information
beyond
what
we
heard
originally
on
your
report.
Right.
C
The
section
of
the
vehicle
code,
21
10
2.1,
does
relate
to
Ali's.
This
isn't
an
ally
because
there's
no
through
vehicular
traffic
for
the
public,
so
it
we
did
look
at
that
early
on
actually
last
year
as
one
of
the
alternatives,
but
we
found
that
it.
This
does
not
meet
the
definition
of
an
ally
for
exactly
that
reason.
With
respect
to
streets
of
highways
code
8324,
that
is
in
fact
one
of
the
statutes.
That's
for
abandonment,
of
a
public
way
that
that
is
correct.
C
I
would
note
that
the
survey,
whether
you
like
it
or
not,
did
indicate
that
seventy-nine
percent
of
those
respondents
of
those
who
responded
did
indicate
that
they
didn't
favor
closure
of
that
particular
section.
We
did
ask
by
section
and
with
respect
to
the
survey
itself
and
the
public
not
being
aware
of
what
the
problems
were.
We
are.
We,
as
you
may
know,
compiled
a
complete
list
of
what
everybody
said
in
writing
on
their
surveys
and
I.
C
Think,
looking
at
those
surveys
makes
it
abundantly
clear
that
the
people
who
responded
not
just
the
ones
who
wanted
the
lane
closed,
but
even
the
ones
who
wanted
to
keep
it
open
were
quite
familiar
with.
With
some
of
the
issues
surrounding
the
lane
they
listed
several
things
on
their
on
their
survey,
forms
that
talked
about
those
particular
issues,
so
I,
don't
think
there's
any
lack
of
knowledge
or
information
about
from
the
survey.
Respondents.
E
E
A
B
C
It's
it's
a
pedestrian
way,
that's
how
it's
it's
defined,
there's
as
I
think
the
attorneys
presentation
pointed
out,
there's
very
little,
that's
specifically
applicable
to
pedestrian
ways
and
that's
the
reason
why
our
advice
has
been.
If
you're
going
to
close
it.
You
have
to
vacate
it
formally,
just
like
any
other
public
thoroughfare,
and
that
requires
a
finding
that
that
the
use
is
not
necessary.
C
B
C
C
I
think
we
have
told
you
that
these
are
improvements,
that
staff
would
recommend.
We
think
they
strike
a
balance
between
the
desires
of
some
members
of
the
public
to
keep
the
lane
open
and
use
in
all
three
segments
and
also
the
concerns
that
were
raised
by
a
number
of
the
residents
and
specifically
with
respect
to
security
and
safety
issues.
Neil
is
here,
I
believe
still.
Perhaps,
if
there's
any
questions
about
the
the
cameras,
for
example,
we
certainly
recommend
the
ABA
improvements.
C
One
of
the
residents
brought
that
up
at
at
your
last
meeting
and
as
far
as
the
bollards
are
concerned.
We
think
that
would
certainly
help
with
making
sure
that
there
isn't
any
illegal
vehicle
traffic
through
through
the
lane
and
it
would
certainly
discourage
mopeds
and
those
kinds
of
things
with
a
set
of
3
ball
erds
that
are
difficult
to
navigate
through
and.
B
It
seems
like
we're
treating
the
residential
section
of
memory
lane
separately
from
the
grace
Honda
portion
of
it,
so
everything
that
that's
being
proposed
now
would
be
improvements
to
the
residential
area
and
I
guess
the
only
the
only
piece
that
really
pertain
to
grace
Honda
was
the
cost
of
moving
the
water
main
that
runs
through
there.
So
at
this
point
we
wouldn't
be
doing
anything
on
the
grace
Honda
proportion
of
the
lane
that.
B
G
C
C
We
wouldn't
be
able
to
recommend
to
the
City
Council
that
it
make
that
finding
and
it
would
potentially
leave
the
city
open
to
a
challenge
by
those
members
of
the
public
who
use
the
lane
indicating
that
it
was
a
closure
thats
not
authorized
by
the
streets
and
highways
code.
Having
said
all
that,
it
is
ultimately
a
city
council
decision
and
a
balancing
of
the
risks
and
benefits
of
those
particular
actions.
B
Comment
I'd
like
to
make
I
I
definitely
think
we
need
to
do
something
and
what
I've
heard
from
the
public
is
that
for
years,
they've
been
dealing
with
this.
It's
been
before
other
councils
and
no
action
has
been
taken
and
I
don't
want
this
council
to
be
one
that
doesn't
take
any
action.
So
I'd
like
to
see
something
done.
I
have
a
concern
that
at
some
point
either
now
or
in
the
future.
We
may
make
a
decision
to
close
a
piece
of
the
street
on
grace,
Honda
and
I.
B
And
so,
if
I
mean,
if
we
can
get
some
assurance
that
at
no
point
would
we
make
that
decision
to
close
it
for
grace
Honda,
then
I'd
be
comfortable
with
looking
at
some
other
measures,
but
if,
if
there
is
some
possibility
that,
because
grace
Honda's
corporate
mandate
says
that
they
need
that
piece
of
land
and
we'd
find
a
way
to
do
it
for
them,
but
not
to
do
it
for
the
residents
I,
don't
think
that's
something.
I
could
support.
H
Charity
now,
obviously,
when
it
came
forward
back
from
the
subcommittee
I
may
mention
was
the
first
time
I
got
to
hear
the
challenges
and
the
problems.
Residents
have
been
suffering
and
don't
think
I
wasn't
walking
that
the
next
day
and
spoke
to
one
of
the
gentleman
who
spoke
here
at
the
mic
twice
and
we
took
a
walk
ourselves.
So
I
could
better
appreciate
and
understand
it.
So
I
would
agree
that
I
think
something
does
need
to
be
done.
I,
don't
think
we
need
to
meet
and
talk
about
it.
Further.
H
It
comes
down
to
it
was
mentioned,
so
I
were
going
to
pay
for
I
would
look
for
me
at
least
a
option
to
move
forward
potentially
cameras.
As
I've
said,
we've
had
some
some
positive
by
the
camera
and
Beckner.
There
was
another
time
when
I
work
with
the
city
that
we
didn't
have
cameras
at
the
recreation
facility,
and
then
we
put
put
cameras
in
it
helped
to
deter
some
of
the
activity
in
the
teen
room
in
gymnasium.
H
So
I
think
the
cameras
have
had
a
proven
worth
in
the
past
and
two
locations
granted
in
the
city
park
area,
but
I
at
least
think
we
need
to
do
something.
I
would
say
to
do
more,
but
I'm
worried
about
costs,
because
obviously
the
only
thing
staffs
going
to
say
is
well,
then
we're
going
to
go
into
reserves
because
that's
the
only
resource
right
now
that
we
have
with
no
grant
unless
we
want
to
wait
and
wait
until
213
I.
Don't
think
it's
fair
honestly!
So
that's
just
my
two
cents
right
now.
D
F
There
are
no
funds
budgeted
either
in
the
capital
budget
or
in
the
operating
budget.
That
would
cover
the
costs
associated
with
the
improvements
we
have
submitted
a
grant
application
to
the
safe
routes
to
school
program.
As
the
city
attorney
indicated,
we
are
not
highly
optimistic,
given
the
competitive
nature
and
the
limited
funding
for
those
grants
and
the
city's
recent
experience.
It's
been
several
years
since
we've
been
awarded
as
secrets
to
school
grant.
G
F
You
for
for
clarifying
that,
yes,
the
we
do
have
an
ongoing
street
and
ramp
I'm.
Sorry,
sorry,
sidewalk
and
ramp
improvement
program
that
is
operating
in
various
areas
throughout
the
city.
This
location
could
be
added
to
that
list
and
I
believe
that
the
funding
for
that
program
is
a
combination
of
gas
tax
and
other
Street
related
funds.
So
so
thank
you
for
clarifying
that.
Yes,
thank.
G
But
then
I
mean
I
trust,
my
city
attorney,
and
if
he
says
that
we'd
be
up
for
a
challenge
and
I'm
not
going
to
stand
here
and
you
know
and
push
to
have
a
clothes
only
to
be
a
you
know
only
to
be
challenged
and
have
to
deal
with
it
in
the
court,
because
I
think
there
might
be.
You
know
a
challenge.
There
was
some
pretty.
G
The
the
residents
that
were
coming
here
were
you
know,
we're
pretty
adamant
that
they
wanted
to
keep
it
open,
so
I
would
just
say:
I'm
still
I'm
still
in
favor
of
having
it
closed
and
if
there's,
if
there's
a
way
that
we
can
pursue
that.
But
with
that
said,
I
think
the
the
residents
do
need
some
assurances
that
they're
going
to
be
safe,
and
you
know
my
feeling
is
that
you
know
the
cameras
are
the
cheapest
thing
to
deter
it.
G
I
think
ballers,
that's
a
high
price
for
ball
as
I
think
there's
other
ways
that
we
can
deter
vehicles.
I
mean
they
do
that
at
school
campuses.
As
far
as
you
know,
shifting
fencing
something
that
took
just
allow
pedestrians
so
I
think
there's
there.
There
are
cheaper
ways,
lessons
expensive
ways
to
accommodate
that,
but
I
think
the
cameras
are
going
to
be
the
key
in
you
know,
deterring
any
activities.
A
And
I,
I
sat
in
the
subcommittee
meetings
and
listen
to
the
last
number
of
meetings
we
have
here
on
this
and
I
I
I
can't
push
for
closure
at
this
point
in
time.
I
think
we
have
to
give
deterrence
a
chance
and
the
cheapest
way
to
deter
anything
at
this
point
in
time
is
spending
eight
thousand
dollars
from
cameras
and
if
we
have
to
take
it
from
reserves,
we
do
but
it'll
give
us
an
indication
of
what
deterrence
will
do
short
of
just
closing.
H
Job
would
agree
mr.
men
with
the
ad
a
because
if
and
again
I
sat
here
saying
at
least
let's
try
this
and
if
we
come
back
and
nothing's
better
nothing's
improved
and
we
closed
that.
We
spent
how
many
thousands
up
I
want
to
20,000
on
a
DA,
then
to
me
that's
money.
We
could
have
spent
elsewhere
in
the
community
right
here.
I
C
I
Answer
them
right
now:
I
did
install
cameras
for
the
dealership
and
it
was
quite
costly
cameras
either
are
invisible
or
they
are
megapixel
they're
quite
expensive.
If
you
want
to
recognize
the
intruders,
for
example,
or
whoever
gets
involved
with
crime,
so
I
like
to
know
what
eight
thousand
dollars
mean
eventually
I
I
thought
it
would
be
quite
a
bit
more
expensive
and
how
are
they
going
to
be
installed
where
they
going
to
be?
Are
they
going
to
be
high
on
poles,
because
the
Delaine
does
not
allow
for
high
any
any
sort
of
poles?
I
It's
not
a
street.
There
are
no
poles
their
homes.
There
is
a
neighborhood
I,
don't
know
where
the
camera
is
going
to
be.
That's
one
of
the
questions.
How
much
is
going
to
be?
Eight
thousand
is
big
question
to
me
because
it
would
have
it
costs
me
about
sixty
thousand
dollars
to
put
cameras.
Some
cameras
around
the
dealership
and
some
of
it
had
to
be
on
the
top
of
the
building,
which
is
quite
a
bit
higher
than
the
neighborhood,
and
some
of
it
had
to
be
on
the
highest
poles
that
I
have
in
the
dealership.
I
The
light
post
or
the
honda
honda
sign,
and
the
next
question
is:
how
do
you
see
if
any
one
of
you
had
a
business
and
people
constantly
ran
through,
especially
if
they
were
on
bicycle
and
they
came
running
through
not
watching
any
any
pedestrian
anybody
going
into
cars
getting
out
of
cars
or
driving
through
the
law
and
the
other
day?
If
this
happens
all
the
time
the
children
are
all
over
the
lot.
The
people
walk
through
the
people
going
to
walgreens
cross
and
they
always
going
diagonal.
I
The
people
going
to
the
hotel
motor
motel,
eight
they're
always
crossing
the
parking
lot.
They
are
not
staying
on
memory
lane.
So
that's
an
issue,
but
the
other
day
I
really
was
terrified
because
it's
bicycle.
The
person
that
on
bicycle,
ran
through
the
lot
like
it
was.
You
know
a
park
or
was
a
street
or
was
a
I,
don't
know
what
he
was
thinking.
He
could
have
gotten
hurt
and
I.
I
You
know
I
would
be
totally
in
trouble
if
he
was
hurt
or
if
he
hurt
somebody
or
if
he
hurt
one
of
my
one
of
my
customers
works
out.
So
I
appreciate.
If
the
members
look
at
this
and
remembers,
the
neighborhood
and
I
appreciate
I
like
a
comment
for
this
fur
for
the
future
I,
don't
I,
don't
feel
I,
don't
feel
great
about
the
neighborhood.
Having
have
been
had
all
the
problems
that
they
are
pad
and
if,
if
the
children
from
the
school
get
hurt
or
injured,
that's
not
a
good
thing
either.
Okay,.
D
D
Say
a
couple
things:
first
of
all
that
Lane
has
been
their
own
before
grace.
Honda
was
there,
so
people
have
used
it
often
I
use
it
often
there's
no
fencing
anywhere
from
El
Camino
people
can
wander
from
El
Camino
through
your
lot.
So
there's
no
restrictions
that
way.
If
you
we
close
memory
lane
from
the
back
there's
nothing
closing
it
from
the
front.
People
can
just
walk
on
there.
So
I
understand
about
kids
going
through,
but
they
don't
do
it
all
day
long.
D
They
do
it
a
little
bit
in
the
morning
and
they
do
it
a
little
bit
in
the
afternoon
when
school's
out
so
I
think
you're,
exaggerating
a
little
bit.
Also
that's
how
I
bought
my
cars
from
you.
I
bought
two
cars
from
grace
Honda,
because
I
walked
down
Linden
and
went
through
memory
lane
and
was
cutting
across
diagonally
to
walgreens
and
saw
a
car
that
I
liked
and
bought
it
and
then
I
went.
Did
it
again
and
saw
another
car
bought
it
so
I,
you
know
it's
it's
a
showroom.
D
C
J
We
did
contact
Park
site,
we
looked
at
consulting
with
Park
site
to
have
them
enhance
administrative
penalties
for
students
caught
in
memory
lane
that
are
fighting
or
creating
a
disturbance,
and
they
are
able
to
doing
that.
So
we
will
go
ahead
and
move
forward
and
work
with
Parkside
to
provide
kind
of
an
enhanced
penalties
over
memory
laying
for
students.
B
C
B
And
the
other
comment
I
had-
and
it
may
be,
point
may
be
moot
since
I
think
we're
moving
away
from
doing
any
a
DA
improvements,
but
I'm
wondering
in
this
area.
What
would
that
entail?
There's
already
ramps
there
there
it
looks
like
they're,
fairly
new
they're,
bright,
yellow.
What
else
would
be
left
to
do?
I
believe.
C
H
They're
gonna
find
money
that
is
left
over
and
in
it,
in
the
worst-case
scenario
happens,
I
would
say,
reserves
for
eight
thousand
dollars
and
for
the
neighbors
deserve
that
they
dealt
with
this
far
too
long
and
for
what
we've
heard
and
so
I
say
and
I'm
one
of
those
who
doesn't
like
using
reserve.
So
if
that's
the
worst
case
scenario
that
has
to
be
use,
I'd
say:
yes,
okay,.