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San Bruno Planning Commission Meeting 11-17-09 6A. Residential Design Guidelines
B
Thank
you,
as
as
the
Planning
Commission
remembers
just
a
few
short
weeks
ago,
the
Planning
Commission
and
the
City
Council
met
in
a
joint
format
to
review
the
residential
design
guidelines.
The
draft
version
I
was
not
there
at
the
meeting,
but
I
heard
that
Laura
did
an
excellent
job
in
my
place,
presenting
the
residential
design
guidelines
and
where
we've
got
to
through
to
this
point
through
a
subcommittee
process.
That
includes
two
planning
commissioners,
as
well
as
to
City
Council
members,
and
because
it
was
a
short
time
frame,
a
study
session.
B
We
were
able
to
get
through
the
document
itself,
but
not
to
the
policy
changes
that
were
recommended
by
the
subcommittee.
That
would
both
make
this
a
more
effective
document,
as
well
as
a
document,
that's
consistent
with
the
Municipal
Code.
So
there
are
three
areas
where
we
are
recommending
policy
change
or
code
changes.
We
did
get
the
same
presentation
to
the
city
council
last
week
and
they
provided
us
with
feedback
and
feel
free
to
stop
me
at
any
time.
B
If
you
have
any
questions
or
if
you
want
to
give
me
feedback
and
want
any
one
of
the
individual
policies.
The
first
has
to
do
with
a
consistency.
Finding
and
not
many
people
in
san
bruno
know
that
not
all
editions
or
exterior
modifications
to
a
single
family
or
to
the
family
homes
actually
have
to
go
through
an
architectural
review
process.
I
would
say
only
about
ten
to
twenty
percent
of
them
have
to
do
that,
that's
only
if
they
require
minor
modification
if
they
require
a
new
spirit
or
something
that
requires
discretionary
review.
B
If
not,
it
goes
straight
to
a
building
permit
somewhat
unique
about
san
bruno,
although
our
planners
do
our
best
to
recommend
changes
during
the
building
permit
process
that
would
make
it
more
architectural,
architectural
e
compatible,
there's
nothing
than
within
the
code
that
states
that
the
homeowner
would
have
to
implement
these
changes.
So
what
we
one
of
the
first
recommendations
in
the
subcommittee
was
that
these
residential
design
guidelines
should
apply
to
any
homeowner.
That's
proposing
exterior
changes
to
the
home,
so
anyone
that's
changing
the
look
of
their
home
or
bumping
out.
B
In
addition,
something
that
would
change
the
appearance
they
would
have
to
be
compatible
with
the
residential
design
guidelines
in
the
way
that
this
would
occur
is
amending
the
municipal
code
to
say
that
any
addition
or
any
exterior
change
that
requires
a
building
permit,
requires
a
Community
Development
Director
to
make
a
finding
that
that
design
is
consistent
with
the
basic
design
principles
within
the
minute
within
the
residential
design
guidelines
and
the
reason
the
subcommittee
and
staff
feels
that
this
is
a
good
route
to
go.
Is
that
number
one
it
gives
T
to
the
residential
design?
B
Guilin
actually
put
something
within
our
municipal
code
that
someone
on
staff
for
lower
level
additions
actually
has
to
make
that
finding,
but
at
the
same
time
it
allows
flexibility
so
that
the
homeowner
doesn't
have
to
meet
each
letter
within
the
residential
design
line
design
guidelines.
It
just
has
to
make
the
general
spirit
or
intent
of
the
design
guidelines.
So
that's
the
first
half
of
this
area.
The
second
is
that
the
same
finding
would
be
applied
to
things
to
items
that
are
heard
by
the
architectural
review
committee
or
the
Planning
Commission.
B
A
B
Okay,
we,
what
we
will
do
is
that
was
a.
It
was
basically
a
written
form
of
what
I'm
saying
what
I'm
giving
the
presentation
of
nights
showing
what
the
Polish,
what
the
policy
changes
and
the
reason
behind
the
policy
change.
What
we
will
do
is
include
them
when
we
actually
take
these
code
amendments
and
the
residential
design
guidelines
to
the
Planning
Commission
will
also
provide
you
with
that
table.
I
apologize
for
that,
but
not
not
being
in
there.
B
B
B
Within
the
current
code,
there's
two
landscaping
requirements
or
two
impervious
surface
requirements.
The
first
is
that
you
have.
You
can't
have
more
than
eighty
percent
of
pervious
surface
within
your
lot
and
what
for
people
listening
at
home
before
the
Planning
Commission
stake,
impervious
surface
doesn't
allow
rain
water
to
drain
into
it.
Pervious
surface
is
landscaped
area
or
some
type
of
pavers
that
actually
allows
rain
water
to
drain
into
the
ground.
B
So
we
have
the
eighty
percent
requirement,
but
that
applies
to
the
entire
lot,
so
you
could
actually
meet
that
twenty
percent
pervious
surface
requirement
anywhere
with
on
within
your
lot,
which
leads
to
a
lot
of
homes
in
San
bernot
a
lot,
but
in
certain
areas
a
lot
of
homes
in
san
bruno
completely
concrete
front
yards.
This
has
to
this
leads
to
two
problems:
eh,
it's
a
drain
on
our
stormwater
system.
By
having
this
every
all
the
rainwater
go
directly
to
our
stormwater
system,
which
is
which
is
older.
B
You
know
you're
putting
a
lot
of
burden
on
that
system
and
there
from
an
aesthetic
standpoint.
It's
not
something
that
we
encourage
within
the
city
to
have
a
completely
concrete
front
yard
and
have
not
have
landscaping
and
pervious
materials
in
there.
So
with
that,
in
line
with
that
in
mind,
the
residential
design
guidelines
proposed
requirements
and
we
are
proposing
three
different
options.
B
The
first
two
options
would
actually
amend
the
municipal
code
and
require
that,
even
if
we
came
across
a
case
where
someone
already
has
asked
them
completely
concrete
in
the
front
yard,
the
city
would
have
the
ability
to
actually
make
them
change
that
to
meet
these
requirements.
So
the
first
is
that
you
would
have
to
amend
it
so
that
there
has
to
be
pervious
surface
material
within
the
front
yard,
but
it
would
not
specify
that
it
has
to
be
living
Lance
landscaping
material,
but
it
could
be
pavers
or
something
along
those
lines.
B
The
second
option
would
say
be
about
the
same,
but
it
was
also
say
that
that
has
to
be
living
plant
material,
so
absurd
that
all
of
it
would
have
to
be
living
plant
material
and
the
third
option
would
say
you
keep
it
in
the
residential
design
guidelines.
But
you
don't
actually
amend
the
Municipal
Code,
so
it
would
be
more
of
a
slow
progress
where
you
would
only
be
able
to
influence
the
applications
that
are
before
you
and
not
problem
areas
within
the
city
to
relay
the
City
Council's
recommendation
on
this.
B
We
enforce
the
current
Municipal
Code.
So
with
that
those
are
recommended
changes.
The
next
step
with
this
is
after
we
get
your
three
get.
Your
direction
will
make
the
changes
that
were
recommended
at
the
joint
study
session
and
then
take
it
through
the
approval
process,
which
includes
back
to
the
Planning
Commission,
for
both
the
design
guidelines
and
the
municipal
code
changes
and
then
to
the
City
Council
for
final
approval.
So
we
could
take
any
questions.
Thank.
D
The
chair,
Commissioner,
my
question
is
towards
the
third
option,
which
is
a
lost
track
of
each
option
on
talking
about,
but
essentially
the
idea
is
that
if
someone
decides
that
they're
going
to
not
plant
grass
and
not
grow
anything
on
it,
but
the
topsoil
is
exposed
or
they
do
zero
scaping.
How
is
that
calculation
allocated
I
mean
it
seems
like
if
someone
decides
I'm
gonna,
totally
neglect
my
lawn.
Oh,
my
front
yard
and
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
how
that
works.
That.
B
Would
that's
a
that's
a
good
question,
something
we
would
have
to
work
out
within
the
code.
I
believe
performance
standards
for
commercial
require
that
the
landscape
being
actually
be
living
landscaping.
We
also
have
requirements
within
our
municipal
code
related
to
you
know,
tall
grass
and
dead
grass
when
it
comes
to
the
fire
season,
but
I
think
that's
the
recommendation
that
we
could
take
that
if
someone
does
want
to
do
you
know
zero
scaping
or
they
do
want
to
do.
You
can't
just
have
a
dirt
front
yard
to
meet
the
requirement
to
the.
D
B
So
I
think
that
if
we
did
do
something
like
you're
saying
and
actually
something
similar
to
what
the
City
Council
said
is
like
they'd
like
to
see
some
mixture.
So
if
you
did
want
to
have
some
bar
for
some
rocks
in
your
front
in
the
art
that
it
also
be
mixed
in
with
some
drought-tolerant
landscaping,
I.
E
C
B
C
B
Yes,
it's
not
actually
a
certain
percentage
of
the
yard
lyst
that
you
could
use
this
parking,
but
it
dictates
where,
within
the
front
yard
that
you
could
park
you're
allowed
to
park
on
the
driveway
and
on
the
short
side
of
your
yard.
So
if
you,
if
you're
looking
at
a
home-
and
you
have
a
driveway
in
the
garage-
is
center
to
the
left
of
the
home
to
park
on
the
left
hand
side
but
not
able
to
park
on
the
wide
side
of
your
lot,
which
is
the
right
side.
C
They
could
hit
an
awful
lot
of
properties
in
san
bruno,
which
essentially
means
that
you
could
have
a
law.
That's
almost
asking
to
be
floated
simply
because
enforcement
is
totally
impractical,
not
to
mention
that
if
a
majority
of
the
citizens
that
were
affected
didn't
like
it,
you
just
end
up,
reversing
it
as
soon
as
you
put
it
out.
So
what
I
was
trying
to
think
of
was
how
can
you
do
some
of
these
approaches
and
have
them
be
practical.
C
One
of
the
things
I
would
suggest
is
staff
is,
and
I
think
you've
done
probably
done
part
of
this,
but
not
just
in
there.
I'm
thinking
on
Taylor
Street
there's
some
areas
that
are
all
concrete
in
front
of
the
residential
areas
and
in
those
cases
it's
almost
hard
to
see
anyone
coming
out
there
and
being
required
to
jackhammer
all
that
concrete.
So
the
first
instance
is
what,
if
you
have
virtually
the
entire
front
paved
already,
how
does
your
new
ordinance
affect
us.
C
B
Community
development
director
has
the
discretion
to
either
waive
the
requirement
or
still
reduce
the
requirement
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
and
this
is
because
you
have
many
homes
and
Taylor
that
have
maybe
five
foot,
seven
foot
setbacks,
or
just
one
of
them
in
you
know
some
a
lot
of
it.
Maybe
it's
just
25
foot
wide
lot,
where
a
lot
of
its
dedicated
to
a
pathway
or
some
way
they
actually
get
to
the
home.
Where
would
it
be
practical
to
have
sixty-five
percent
or
whatever.
B
B
So
I
think
we
would
take
the
same
approach
to
this.
Where
let's
say
there
was
stormwater
problems
within
the
immediate
neighborhood
in
terms
of
capacity,
I
think
that
we
would
have
to
go
and
take
a
look
at
what's
causing
those
problems
that
that
ended
up
being
the
homes.
We'd
have
to
find
some
way
to
mitigate
that.
Well,.
C
C
I
just
had
a
couple
more
good.
If
I
could
how
about
there,
there
are
quite
a
few
places
that
are
not
paved,
but
people
are
parking
vehicles
in
a
way
that
doesn't
meet
the
allowable
residential
parking
on
this
figure.
That
staff
provided
is
that
one
that
you
would
approach
only
on
a
complaint
basis
also.
B
We
typically
yes
in
what
way
what
usually
happens
is
will
get
neighborhood
complaints
that
basically
say
I'm
tired
of
everyone
on
my
block
parking.
This
way,
can
you
please
go
out
there
and
then
we'll
go
out
there
and
we'll
tag
the
homes
would
notice
to
complies,
and
generally
that
solves
a
problem
for
a
while
till
until
it
comes
back.
You
know.
Part
of
the
problems
in
those
neighborhoods
are
lack
of
parking,
because
people
write.
B
Some
of
it,
you
know
over
the
years.
If
we
enforce
this
rule
will
be
the
struggle
won't
be
there
anymore,
because
it's
more
difficult
to
park
over
a
slight
landscaped
area
then
would
be
to
park
over
even
most
of
those
areas
that
people
park
in
the
front
yard.
Some
of
them
may
be
dirt.
Some
may
be
dead
lon,
but
a
lot
of
them
are
the
ones
that
have
been.
C
It
almost
seems
to
be
unreasonable
on
the
face.
Thank
you
and
I
think
I.
Think
generally
I
was
on
I
am
on
the
committee.
That's
involved
with
this,
and
this
is
then
one
of
the
most
problematic
things
I'd
like
to
mention
it
to
the
Commission
as
a
whole.
When
we've
met
with
the
council
representatives
a
lot
of
times,
the
issue
has
been
well.
We
now
have
this
document
as
guidelines
for
for
good
development,
more
or
less.
A
I
have
a
question:
if
there
are
homeowners
who
purchase
their
homes
that
were
paved
fully
or
I
just
compromise
with
any
any
greenery,
is
there
any
opportunity
or
funds,
or
you
know
that
budgets
are
so
drastically
at
these
times,
but
is
there
anything
that
they
were
to
call
them
a
group
of
people
to
compensate?
You
know
we
would
love
to
do
this.
We
need
support.
Is
there
anything
that
available
to
them
I.
B
Don't
I'm
not
aware
of
any
fines,
I
mean
it.
There
are.
You
know,
through
a
redevelopment
agency,
if
they're
doing
larger
projects,
we
have
helped
out
with
construction
with
low
interest
loans
and
things
along
those
lines,
but
I
can't
think
of
anything
that
would
help
with
actually
breaking
up
concrete
and
landscaping
and
landscape
in
an
area.
A
Sure
there's
so
much
criteria
around
around
be
knowledgeable
for
that
project,
but
you
don't
through
this
and
thinking
well
gee.
That
would
be
great
to
think
that
there
are,
as
a
community
of
people
say,
these
were
paved
by
Novak
years
ago
and
we'd
like
to
see
this
happen,
but
it
really
isn't
project
that's
affordable
in
this
particular
time
so
hoping
that
there
was
suddenly
development
of
some
sort,
but
I'm
sure
that
if
there
was
you'd
bring
it
to
our
attention
and.
A
The
pods
are
becoming
more
popular,
those
storages
there
in
front
of
homes
and
businesses
and
I
understand
as
a
construction,
they're
really
useful
to
have,
and
so
I
don't
know.
If
there's
been
any
comment
or
input
towards
your
office
around
these
I'm,
seeing
them
more
I
have
one
myself
in
the
process
of
construction,
so
so
I
wanted
to
just
basically
get
your
your
input
on
that.
B
They
our
policy,
is
that
you
know
you
have
to
have
an
encroachment
permit
you're
actually
to
storm
this
street,
but
we
generally
don't
bow
an
encroachment
permit
to
go
for
that
long.
We
allow
them
to
be
within
the
driveway
while
they
have
an
active
building
permit
or
inner
or
they're
in
the
process
of
getting
a
building
permit
and
you
to
store
things
during
the
construction
process.
Okay,.
B
E
What
can
we
do
to
encourage
sustainable
landscaping
limit
lawn
areas?
You
know
what
what
items
can
we
add
to
this
I
mean
we're
giving
it
agree
with
going
with
changing
the
code
so
that
there's
some
teeth
to
this.
But
what
can
we
do?
In
addition
to
that?
To
encourage
people
to
use
sensible
landscaping,
I.
B
So
I
mean
it's
going
to
be
a
real
chance
to
take
a
look
at
everything
from
a
sustainability
point
of
view
and
do
the
sustainability
audit
and
see
where
we're
missing
right
now,
where
we
could
do
better
and
don't
be
the
leaders
within
that
area
and
a
lot
of
it
would
be.
It
could
be
no
way
you
can't.
You
can't
have
long
in
your
front
yard
or
you
can
have
a
certain
percentage,
along
with
in
your
front
yard,
and
the
rest
has
to
be
drought-tolerant
landscaping.
B
E
Well,
just
my
opinion,
I'd
be
in
a
favor
of
item
1
and
2,
combined
together
with
with
some
sort
of
promotion
of
sustainable
landscaping
limit
on
lawns
or
you
know,
and
maybe
the
community
development
director
having
some
latitude
to
approve
creative
designs.
You
know
someone
make
him
up
with
something
new
or
something
different
and
there
should
be
some
latitude
for
you
to
work
with
that.
E
E
A
There
any
other
comments
or
questions
for
for
staff.
My
last
question
is
on.
There
is
quite
of
for
this
new
trend
towards
I,
don't
want
to
say
at
the
turf
that
you
type
of
grass,
it's
been
many
of
the
fairs.
They
are
presented
in
golf
courses
and
football
fields.
Has
there
been
any
any
projects
in
san
bruno
that
have
there
that
are
visible
to
the
public?
B
I
I
haven't
seen
I,
know.
I've
heard
of
people
with
in
san
bruno
installing
and
I
know
that
it's
becoming
more
and
more
popular
I,
don't
know
offhand
of
any
of
the
addresses
or,
if
there's
been
any
any
of
it
done
within
the
front
yards
I'm
most
familiar
with
it,
seeing
it
on
the
football
fields
and
soccer
fields,
and
it
really
does
I
mean
I
think
it
is.
You
know
the
when
cities
start
to
regulate
the
amount
of
lawn
that
you
could
have
due
to
water
issues
or.