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Description
San Bruno City Council Meeting
October 14, 2014
10c. Policy for Inspection, Maintenance, and Replacement of Private Sewer Laterals
B
Just
one
caution
that
read
economic
development
and
adding
more
development
in
the
downtown
may
cause
displacement.
You
have
many
of
your
low,
currently
low
income,
housing
is
in
the
downtown
area,
and
some
of
our
cities
have
been
experiencing
displacement
already.
My
own
daughter
in
law
is
a
teacher
at
your
rollingwood.
B
Those
skyrocketing
rents
that
they're
already
experiencing
and
I
just
wanted
to.
Let
you
know
that
those
of
us
in
the
housing
community
in
San,
Mateo
County,
are
talking
with
the
county
and
cities
about
protections
for
renters,
and
many
of
our
renters
are
reporting
to
us
that
they're
paying
two
thousand
dollars
and
more
for
apartments
that
are
barely
meeting
health
and
safety
standards,
and
we
need
to
do
something
about
that,
to
protect
them
and
so
I
just
wanted
to.
B
Let
you
know
it's
not
in
your
housing
element
to
do
that,
but
the
state
not
only
expects
us
as
jurisdictions
to
provide
affordable
housing
but
to
protect
the
naturally
affordable
housing
that
already
exists,
and
in
many
of
our
cities
our
developments
were
built
in
the
60s
and
70s,
and
they
don't
truly
warrant
a
rent
of
two
thousand
dollars
so
I'm,
hoping
that
we
can
come
back
to
you
in
the
next
couple
of
months
to
talk
about
things
that
we
might
do
to
protect
renters
from
these
skyrocketing
rents.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank.
C
Evening,
honorable
mayor
members
of
council,
Jim
birch,
deputy
director
of
maintenance
and
operations
and
sharing
this
presentation
tonight
with
me
is
Dennis
Bosch
who's.
Our
wastewater
services
manager
we're
here
tonight
to
provide
you
with
additional
information
and
updates
related
to
our
private
sewer,
lateral
policy.
We're
going
to
explain
a
little
bit
of
the
warranty
program.
Information
and
public
outreach
plans
that
we
have
for
sewer
laterals
in
June.
The
council
provided
direction
to
staff
on
three
items
related
to
sewer
laterals
one
was
to
pursue
a
modification
to
the
current
lateral
policy.
C
The
second
was
to
return
to
counsel
with
recommendations
and
plans
for
public
outreach,
and
the
third
was
to
investigate
a
partnership
with
sewer
lateral
warranty
company
a
little
bit
of
background
in
June.
We
also
met
with
the
infrastructure
subcommittee
and
shortly
afterward,
with
a
full
council
where
we
discussed
the
rising
costs
and
unsustainable
nature
of
our
current
sewer,
lateral
policy
and
practices
staff
provide
a
report
at
that
time
which
presented
several
alternatives
for
council
consideration
to
address
rising
costs
and
to
better
meet
regulatory
and
bakey
/
requirements.
In
addition,
information
was
also
provided.
C
C
Thought
it
would
be
good
to
briefly
go
over.
We
talked
about
laterals
and
clean
outs,
a
lot
but
I.
We
came
up
with
this
graphic
and,
as
we
discussed
previously,
the
current
policy
provides
that
if
a
clean-out
has
been
installed,
city
staff
will
maintain
what
what
is
called
lower,
lateral,
which
is
in
the
picture,
are
in
the
graphic.
It's
considered
that
that
part
of
the
lateral
it's
from
the
clean-out
to
the
sewer
main,
in
other
words,
the
current
practices
at
once
homeowners
experience
problems
with
their
lateral.
D
Evening
on
a
roll
mayor
and
council,
so
some
facts
around
sewer,
laterals,
there's
approximately
11,000
citywide,
so
one
pipe
for
mostly
one
property,
approximately
twenty
to
twenty-five
percent.
We
believe
of
homes
have
a
clean-out,
so
roughly
twenty-seven
hundred
some
form
of
a
clean
out
whether
it's
been
an
installed
one
or
one.
D
We
have
set
up
a
programmable
preventive
maintenance
program
where
we
go
out
and
our
staff
cleans
the
lateral
or
mostly
removes
roots
three
months
six
months
and
twelve
month
intervals,
I,
say
roots
because
that's
what
we
can
do,
sometimes,
when
we
go
ahead
and
do
a
a
video
if
it's
a
structural
defect
or
if
it's
an
offset
for
the
most
part,
it's
going
to
cause
a
backup
or
already
has
so.
Therefore
once
say
a
clean
out
a
specified,
clean
out
meeting
our
city
spec.
We
then
take
your
social
responsibility
of
that
lower
lateral.
D
His
gym
is
just
alluded
to,
and
then
we
make
usually
the
repair
most
of
those
sewer
laterals
that
we
uncover
either
it
was
old
construction
standards.
It
was
a
bell
and
spigot,
and
then
they
slop
some
mortar
around
it.
A
lot
of
that
has
deteriorated
for
the
ones
that
we
can't
maintenance,
we're
on
course
for
about
60
to
70
repairs
a
year
and
is
projected
to
be
of
almost
around
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
2006.
We
started
aggressively
trying
to
fix
them.
D
It
also
is,
at
the
same
time
the
wdr
was
ramping
up
in
2007,
which
said
that
we
are
responsible
for
SS,
those
from
lower
laterals
or
at
least
the
pipes
that
are
considered
part
of
our
system.
So
we
started
ramping
it
up,
and
our
line
item
at
that
time
was
thirty
thousand
dollars
for
repairs
and
now
we're
up
to
400
to
450
thousand
parara
/
consent
decree
with
bay
keepers.
We
need
to
reduce
sucessos
and
have
no
more
than
three
a
year
by
2019.
D
Just
to
let
you
know
we're
we're
around
six
SS,
those
that
were
responsible
for
this
year,
so
we're
getting
there.
However,
the
reason
why
well
down
so
much
on
that
is
because
we
have
so
aggressively
attacked,
put
money
towards
and
repaired
a
high
number
of
those
lower
laterals
on
the
next
on.
The
next
slide
is
our
map,
and
you
can
see
if
you
can't
say
it's
broken
down
into
neighborhoods
of
we're.
D
Basically,
developments
were
constructed
in
the
red
area,
says
1920s
other
areas,
1940s
in
the
yellow
and
and
so
on,
most
of
the
lateral
repairs
that
we've
done
our
east
of
highway
280,
which
is
in
the
more
older
part
of
town.
However,
we
have
done
lateral
repairs
to
west
of
280
and
just
due
to
orangeburg
pipe,
that
was
a
material
made
after
the
war.
A
lot
of
that
was
installed
in
the
1950s
and
1960s
area
and
through
through
video
inspection
by
our
own
crews.
C
So
there's
several
factors
that
impact
the
costs.
We've
talked
about
several
of
those
in
prior
meetings,
one
of
the
Associated
one
of
the
cost
is
going
to
drive
or
part
of
the
driver.
For
this
graft
is
a
point-of-sale
ordinance.
The
point-of-sale
ordinance,
just
as
minder,
is
only
for
residential
property
built
before
1960,
and
it
was
passed
by
the
council
in
January
take
effect
in
May
2015.
It
was
required
as
part
of
the
bay
keeper
consent
decree
and
again
it
was
approved
by
council
and
it
will
impact
about
300
homes
per
year.
C
What
that
will
do
for
us
under
the
current
policy
for
sewer
laterals
is
when
people
go
to
buy
a
home,
they
will
be
forced
to
if
it's
built
before
nineteen
sixty
to
make
sure
that
the
sewer
lateral
is
in
good
repair
and
get
a
certificate
of
of
inspection.
Thank
you
and
when
they
find
a
problem,
if
they
don't
already
have
a
clean-out,
they
can
install
a
clean
out
at
on
their
side
of
the
property
line
and
then
call
the
city
and
ask
for
repairs
to
be
done.
What
didn't
it
Dennis
didn't
tell
you?
C
We
think
about.
Twenty
to
twenty-five
percent
of
the
homes
that
are
sold
will
probably
have
some
issues.
How
many
of
those
people
will
call
the
city
to
get
the
repairs
done?
We
don't
know
they
may
work
it
out
between
the
buyer
and
the
seller
to
get
it
done
with
a
contractor
and
not
involve
the
city.
We're
not
sure
I
mentioned
public
outreach.
We'll
talk
about
that
in
a
little
bit
also
in
our
report
last
time
in
June
we
talked
about
the
sharp
park.
Lateral
grant
program
and
I
have
that
in
here.
C
Just
to
explain
that
we
we
do
have
a
grant
program
for
sewer
lateral
replacements
in
the
city,
but
it's
only
for
a
specific
air
area.
Again,
it's
required
as
part
of
the
bay
keeper
consent
decree,
obviously
not
available
for
citizens
outside
sharp
park.
We
did
contact
bay
keeper
to
find
out.
Could
we
expand
the
program
citywide
and
we've
asked
for
some
interpretation
on
what
we
could
do
and
and
so
we
made
an
effort
and
that
was
not
approved.
That
program
offers
a
50-percent
reimbursement
up
to
seventeen
hundred
dollars.
C
We
have
reached
out
to
the
sharp
park
area,
and
I
know
that
vice
mayor
Medina
was
at
a
meeting
we
had
and
I
think
may
for
the
sharp
Park
area
we
went
door-to-door.
Our
crews
went
door-to-door
to
notify
the
folks
there
about
the
program
and
make
an
outreach
to
them-
we've
been
mildly,
successful
in
a
very
short
term,
at
least
getting
interest,
but
we've
only
had
one
lateral
replaced
since
that
meeting.
C
E
C
Much
was
it
repairs
how
much
yeah?
How
much
does
it
cost?
Oh,
so
the
average
cost
is
anywhere
between
about
four
and
eight
thousand
dollars
right.
If
you
I
sort
of
cringe
doing
the
beautification
committee
had
all
these
pictures
of
these
wonderful
homes
and
I
see
this
brickwork
and
I'm
thinking,
gosh,
I,
hope,
they're,
laterals,
okay,
because
those
are
the
things
that
Dennis
and
I
both
think
about.
C
When
we
see
people
that
spend
a
lot
of
money
on
their
property,
we
we
think
you
know
I
sure
hope
that
they
have
a
good,
a
good
lateral
and
in
talking
about
good
laterals,
we
at
the
last
meeting
we
explained
that
we
had
reached
out
to
a
couple
of
warranty
companies-
and
so
this
slide
here
is,
is
the
results
of
that
we've
gone
through
and
researched
a
company?
This
company
is
called
utility
service
partners
that
we've
reached
that
we've
talked
to
about
their
their
program.
We
think
their
program
is
the
best.
C
C
They
have
a
30-day
waiting
period
and
they
would
only
mark
it
twice
a
year
spring
and
fall
and
it
would
be
materials
that
the
city,
manager
and
and
others
would
would
have
a
say
on
they
don't
mass
market,
they
don't
direct
mail,
they
go
through.
They
would
go
through
the
city
to
get
that
material
approved
beforehand.
C
It's
endorsed
by
the
National
League
of
Cities,
and
they
have
a
current
partnership
agreement
with
daly
city
and
actually
one
of
our
crew
members
got
their
letter
with
the
city
of
daily
cities,
logo
on
it
and
and
a
little
three
paragraph
blurb
about
the
program
and
a
little
tear
off
thing
that
you
could
sign
up
for
the
program
you
can
pay
a
year
in
advance
and
so
forth.
The
other
thing
that
this
company
does
is
a
partner
with
local
contractors
and
they
work
out
agreements
on
prices
with
local
contractors.
C
Have
and
they've
they've
expressed
to
me
not
only
what
they
do
for
their
policy,
because
that
was
one
of
the
key
things
is
what
do
they
do
with
their
current
sewer,
lateral
policy?
And
how
is
it
tie
into
this
warranty
program,
but
they
have
expressed
that
they're.
The
people
that
have
obviously
taken
advantage
of
it
are
very
happy
with
it.
I
know:
Dennis's
mother
has
a
program
in
south
city
and
has
the
sewer
line
repaired.
He
didn't
even
know
she
had
the
program,
but
a
considerable
amount
of
work.
D
Extremely
happy
she
lives
in
south
city
and
they
have
a
different
company
but
a
similar,
similar
program
and
see
the
call
from
my
father,
and
he
said
you
have
to
do
something,
and
my
mother
call
me
back
and
said:
don't
worry
about
it.
I've
been
paying
my
nine
dollars
a
month
and
a
local
plumber
came
out.
She
called
they
facilitated
the
plumber
coming
out
and
within
a
good
amount
of
a
fair
amount
of
time.
D
They
had
replaced
and
installed
to
clean
house
1
by
the
property,
wanted
the
curb
line
and
for
my
mother's
120
per
se
dollars
a
year.
I
would
probably
say:
I
haven't
seen
the
bill,
but
upwards,
probably
around
eight
thousand
dollars
and
that's
from
the
house
to
the
property
line,
not
necessarily
out
from
the
property
line
to
the
street.
So
she's
extremely
happy.
C
So
this
company
in
particular,
has
a
they
sort
of
break
it
up.
They
have
four
thousand
dollars
up
until
you
get
into
the
street
what
they
call
Street
cutting.
If
you
need
to
do
Street
cutting
then
that
they
give
another
four
thousand
dollars.
So
that's
how
they
break
up
their
costs
piece,
so
we're
really
happy
with
what
they
provided
us.
They
provided
us
with
samples
of
marketing
materials
and
so
forth,
so
at
the
at
the
end
of
the
presentation
will
be
asking
for
some
direction.
C
Regarding
that
and
again,
we've
committed
to
the
council
that
we
would
provide
public
outreach,
in
particular
for
the
point
of
sale
back
in
January
we've
formulated.
Our
plan
based
on
you
know
during
the
summer
is
probably
not
a
good
time
with
all
the
activities
we've
targeted
fall
and
winter
for
some
public
outreach,
and
we
have
plan
to
do
more
than
one
public
informational
meeting
meet
with
the
realtor's
meet
here
at
the
Senior
Center
and
and
have
cable,
TV
televise
the
meeting
so
that
we
can
play
it
link
to
it
from
the
website
and
so
forth.
C
We
also
going
to
develop
brochures
and
handouts
so
that
we
can
have
them
at
our
points
of
customer
contact,
obviously
to
hand
out
at
the
meetings
and
also
to
have
for
our
field
stuff.
So
when
customers
have
questions
about
sewer,
laterals
or
point
of
sale
or
any
of
those
things,
we
can
have
information
right
there,
they're
very
knowledgeable
anyway,
but
to
have
something
to
leave
with
customer,
is
important
to
us
and
again
have
that
material
on
the
website
and
and
involved
on
the
cable
TV
as
well
and.
C
In
order
to
address
regulatory
requirements
and
increasing
costs
which
have
created
unsustainable
situation,
staff
recommends
that
cancel
repeal
the
current
resolution.
1986
64
does
64
at
the
next
council.
Meeting
staff
would
be
able
to,
if
so,
directed,
bring
forward
a
resolution
that
would
make
homeowners
responsible
for
the
maintenance
and
repair
of
their
laterals,
regardless
of
the
clean-out
status.
In
addition,
staff
recommends
that
any
change
to
the
current
policy
take
effect
no
earlier
than
January
fifteenth
to
allow
for
robust
public
information
education
campaign,
as
we've
described.
C
In
addition,
staff
recommends
that
council
direct
staff
to
bring
to
council
a
resolution
that
would
authorize
the
city
manager
to
enter
into
a
partnership
agreement
with
utility
service
partners,
which
offers
lateral
warranty
coverage
we're
asking
for
City
Council's
direction
tonight
on
these
items.
This
completes
our
presentation
and
we're
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have
ricoh.
F
A
G
Appreciate
all
the
work
you've
done
and
all
the
planning
and
I
think
you
have
captured
the
difficulties
that
we're
looking
forward
forward
to
and
the
fact
that
it's
just
very
expensive
I
was
sitting
here
trying
to
do
the
math.
If
we
had
if
we
charged
the
11,000
people
how
much
it
would
cost
per
year
to
do
the
laterals,
it
comes
out
roughly
forty
thousand
dollars
a
resident
at
preach,
eleven
thousand
persons
so
for
eleven
thousand
households-
it's
just
not
sustainable.
G
C
You,
oh,
we
didn't
cover
it
too
much
tonight.
Dennis
talked
about
the
SSOs,
but
that's
one
of
the
concerns
that
we
have
is
when
there
is
an
sso
with
a
lateral.
We,
it
counts
against
the
city,
another
bit
of
information
that
sometimes
people
misunderstand,
and
that
is
even
though
there's
11,000
laterals.
We
currently
only
care
for
or
maintain
one
percent
of
those
laterals
and
that's
119,
because
they
have
root
issues
where
we
find
breakages
and
they
have
a
clean
out
and
a
lot
of
times.
A
C
Did
want
to
add
two:
we
talked
about
daly
city
a
little
bit.
We
mentioned
this
at
the
last
meeting
and
june.
Our
practice
will
remain
to
provide
top-notch
service
during
work
hours
and
after
work
hours.
So
if
a
citizen
has
an
issue
whether
or
not
they
have
a
clean
out,
whether
or
not
they
have
a
warranty
program
or
whatever,
we
will
roll
a
truck
help.
The
citizen,
as
best
we
can,
which
is
what
we
do
now
oftentimes
citizen,
doesn't
have
a
clean
out
and
our
crews
respond
help
that
citizen
maybe
talk
to
the
plumber.
C
If
the
plumber
others
happened
last
Thursday
and
help
them
locate
where
the
main
will
be
will
check
the
mains
as
well
to
make
sure
that's,
not
an
issue
and
we'll
try
to
work
through
with
the
homeowner
as
best,
we
can
and
then
hand
them
off
to
the
best
resource
possible.
So
we're
still
going
to
provide
that
customer
service.
We
owe
that
to
our
citizens.
Okay,.
E
This
is
a
major
change
and
I
understand,
because
it's
an
old
community,
it's
an
old
infrastructure
and
I'm
just
curious
I
mean
I,
don't
believe
that
people
are
getting
clean
outs
to
be
able
to
take
advantage
of
the
city
to
repair
their
their
laterals.
That's
a
policy
that
the
building
department
set
years
ago
is
that
when
you
do
a
certain
type
of
project,
you
got
to
put
a
clean
out,
and
they
just
they
did
it
I'm
curious
as
to-
and
let
me
just
get
the
street
I
I'm
against
point
of
sale,
but
I.
E
Don't
think
that
that
really
is
part
of
this.
This
is
now
taking
all
the
responsibility
off
of
the
city
in
replay
replacing
these
laterals,
no
matter
whether
the
house
property
sales
or
not,
I'm,
just
curious
as
to
where
did
it
come
about
that
the
city
was
responsible
from
the
property
line
to
the
main
I
mean
it
took
a
long
time
to
really
get
people
and
a
lot
of
people
aren't
even
accepting
the
fact
that
it's
the
responsibility
to
fix
their
sidewalks.
You
know
all
this
stuff
in
the
right
of
way.
E
Is
they
just
feel
that
it's?
The
city's
responsibility,
so
how
are
we
I
mean?
Is
it
are
we
legally
able
to?
You
know
put
that
on
the
property
owner
and
and
I
guess?
What
I
really
like
to
know
is:
where
did
we
come
on?
Where
does
the
city's
in
the
history
come
off,
saying
that
we're
going
to
be
taking
care
of
these?
H
I
can
answer
the
legal
question,
which
is
this
appears
to
be
a
fairly
long
standing
policy
of
the
city,
a
long-standing
policy
that
benefited
and
currently
benefits
only
a
very
few
individuals
now
at
a
cost
that
far
exceeds
the
original
intention
of
the
program.
From
a
legal
standpoint,
some
cities
actually
do
say
and
have
an
ordinance
that
says
the
property
owner
is
responsible
for
the
entire
lateral
from
from
the
house.
H
All
the
way
to
the
main,
the
city
of
San
Bruno
could
do
that
they've
chosen
not
to
do
that
over
the
years
and
while
you're
correct
this
is
a
would
be
a
potentially
large
change
in
policy.
It
was
pointed
out
by
the
staff
report.
It's
a
large
change
for
for
a
very
small
number
of
individuals
and
those
individuals
and
others
that
are
similarly
situated,
can
easily
apply
for
and
obtain
warranty
coverage
which
would
protect
them
for
most,
if
not
all,
of
the
anticipated
costs.
H
E
And
that's
the
thing
is
that
to
be
fiscally
responsible
here,
as
we
sit
up
here
and
try
to
cover
these
anticipated
costs,
it's
gonna
be
a
lot
more
than
nine
bucks
a
month.
You
know
to
do
capital
improvement
projects
to
be
able
to
cover
and
to
see
that
you're.
Looking
at
half
a
million
dollars
to
escalated
to
a
million
and
plus
you
know
per
year
until
every
single
sewer,
lateral
is
replaced,
it's
I
mean
we
look
at
sidewalks
and
say
we
can't
replace
them
all.
E
C
E
F
E
F
Good
ask
some
questions
that
can
come
back.
They
don't
need
to
all
be
answered,
but
I'm
looking
at
the
resources
of
staff,
time
and
costs
you
listed
some
of
those
this
evening.
So
if
this
goes
forward
and
then
that
ownership
becomes
to
the
resident
or
the
homeowner,
then
you
know
we're
saving
in
some
respects.
How
much
is
that?
How
much
staff
time
are
those
resources
being
reallocated?
Can
they
be
deducted
all
we
do
through
attrition?
What
I'd
like
to
know
and
have
that
quantified
when
stuff
like
this
comes
up?
F
We're
talking
about
cleanouts
kind
of
had
it
at
the
property
line
was
where
the
city
would
then
maintain.
So
if
we're
going
to
bring
it
up
to
a
resident
and
they're
going
to
have
to
do
it
or
we
go
dictate
to
them
if
they
have
to
have
one
of
the
property
line,
because
if
we
do
a
trenchless,
you
could
be
saving
two
to
four
thousand
dollars
by
not
having
and
requiring
that
one
and
just
having
it
at
the
house.
F
But
it
can
it's
their
ownership,
but
I
like
to
have
that
answered,
because
I
I
want
to
see
where
we're
talking
about.
As
far
as
trying
to
make
it
simple
try
to
be
reasonable
with
the
type
of
materials
are
we
going
to
be
requiring
people
to
only
utilize
certain
services
if
they
go
through
the
warranty?
Of
course
that's
already
taken
care
of,
or
are
we
just
saying,
you're
on
your
own?
F
So
if
you
want
to
find
the
the
best
deal
in
town
which
gives
you
one
year
warranty
and
it
start
it's
darn,
you
know
inexpensive,
they
go
forward
with
it
and
it's
not
quality
work.
Then
we
have
potholes
and
we
have
other
issues
that
arise
so
I
want
to
look
on
our
broader
base.
I
also
worry
about
those
individuals
that
may
not
have
the
economic
beans.
So
what
happens
if
they're
in
a
situation,
do
we
give
them
a
timeline?
Somebody
turning
their
water
off
I
mean?
Where
is
it
at?
F
I
really
think
these,
and
that
sounds
really
dramatic,
but
I
think
these
are
questions
that
people
come
up
with
and,
and
they
I
think
would
want
to
know.
I
know.
Other
cities
offer
some
assistance
like
South,
City
and
San
Mateo,
there's
others
that
I
think
we
can
look
to
I
know
there
is
a
fee
that
has
been
collected,
I,
don't
know
what
that
is
in
a
year,
maybe
135,000
or
something
it
does
that
come
off.
Does
that
money
get
redirected
for
some
assistance
to
those
that
may
have
a
need?
C
Be
happy
to
take
a
shot
at
a
couple
of
those
questions.
The
one
about
staffing,
one
of
the
things
that
the
consent
decree
required
of
the
wastewater
group
was
increased
maintenance,
scheduling
and
and
a
lot
of
the
schedules
that
we
had
led
to
more
staff
time.
So
one
of
the
things
we'll
be
able
to
do
if
this
shift
was
made.
C
This
change
was
made
is
to
put
more
effort
into
manhole
inspections
and
a
lot
of
the
other
things
that
we
need
to
be
doing
and
also
CCTV,
which
is
in
our
CIP
you'll,
see
that
as
part
of
the
CIP
program
to
ramp
up
in
that
area,
where
we
need
to
be
doing
inspection
a
lot
of
these
older
lines
that
have
been
inspected
once
and
now.
We
need
to
be
followed
up
to
help
target
some
of
the
repairs.
So
our
staff
works
incredibly
hard.
C
They
do
a
good
job,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we
need
to
do
more
of
is
some
of
those
routine
things
that
we
aren't
necessarily
able
to,
as
we
should,
because
we're
we're
tied
up
with
a
lateral
response.
Quite
often
the
one
about
the
cost.
For
the
lateral
program,
one
of
the
things
we
want
to
do
I
mean
for
the
warranty
program
during
the
handout
phase.
We
have
some
descriptive
pictures
of
what
the
sewer
line
looks
like
what
routes
look
like.
C
We
can
and
have
handouts
that
have
that
are
very
visual
as
well,
so
that
people
can
understand
and
also
in
the
meeting
the
warranty
company
representative
would
be
there
at
least
at
one
or
two
of
the
meetings,
and
have
that
discussion
about
what
does
it
mean
four
thousand
dollars?
We
talked
to
him
at
linked
and
said:
what
is
that
normally
cover?
And
he
said,
ninety-five
percent
of
the
repairs
are
covered
within
that
four
and
four.
C
If
you
get
maybe
some
of
the
pictures,
we
saw
with
a
really
fancy
rock
walls,
and
you
know
you
may
get
into
a
different
situation
there
with
stamped
and
stained
concrete.
You
know
all
those
kinds
of
things
that
may
need
to
be
placed
if
it
the
repairs
of
a
certain
type.
So
but
that's
kind
of
a
rare
occurrence
from
what
the
the
provider
explained
to
us.
So.
I
I
I
live
on
scenic
court
and
I
sent
you
a
letter
today
and
it
might
not
have
got
to
ya
since
I
delivered
it
city
clerk,
but
only
this
afternoon,
but
now
I'm
here
to
ask
you
not
to
change
the
current
repair
procedure
and
I
would
call
into
question
the
staff
analysis
on
this.
I
think
there
was
am
over
simplification.
Senate.
I
One
thing,
I
hadn't
thought
to
comment
on
was
the
warranty
program.
When
there's
a
warranty
program,
there's
also
the
warranty
rake-off,
you
never
see
that
money.
They
don't
do
these
warranty
programs
for
their
health.
They
do
it
because
it
makes
money
for
them.
So
a
certain
amount
of
every
warranty
bill
disappears.
I
Basically,
I'm
recommending
the
city
keep
the
current
system
of
City
repair
to
sewer
laterals
and
streets
and
easements,
and
this
is
because
they
have
the
equipment.
They
have
the
people,
they
have
the
materials
they
have.
The
experience
all
they
have
to
do
is
apply
it
and
I
see
them
out
there.
I
know
they
can
do
the
work,
since
1986
property
owners
have
paid
sixty
cents
per
month
per
property.
I
For
this
rule
that
you're
talking
about
junking
that
I'm
suggesting
you
hang
on
to
that's
over
a
two
hundred
dollars
per
owner
since
1986
and
two
point
two
point:
two
million
total
I
wonder
where
that
2.2
million
is
now
the
city
has
collected
this
money,
that's
not
reasonable
to
Samara
Lee
drop
this
service.
The
sim
city
should
simply
mark
this
service
to
market
and
continuing
and
I
challenged
the
idea
that
would
be
ridiculously
huge
cost
I.
I
Any
of
you
who
have
ever
bought
insurance
wouldn't
expect
to
have
insurance
that
you
paid
for
30
years
on
to
be
drops
and
merrily
and
told
you
couldn't
get
it
any
more
I'm
saying
that's
what
this
recommendation
is
and
that
you're
considering.
Thus
far
many
owners
have
benefited
from
this
city
service
and
it
would
be
unreasonable.
I
The
city
suggest
that
each
owner
contract
with
a
separate
insurance
service
instead
of
continuing
the
city's
role
as
it
is
now.
This
is
ridiculously
cost
ineffective
to
owners,
particularly
versus
the
city.
Doing
the
work
and
the
city
doesn't
do
the
work
now,
anyway,
they
have
a
private
contractor,
they
call
him
up
and
the
private
contractor
goes
out.
There.
I've
watched
the
private
contractor,
they're
incredibly
professional.
The
last
two
repairs
I
saw
were
over
/
supplied
with
equipment
and
people,
but
at
the
same
time
they
did
a
fabulous
job.
I
Where
was
why
wasn't
the
city
staff
doing
that?
You
have
all
this
equipment?
Well,
let's
not
get
lost
in
that,
but
you
do
have
in
some
cases
places
where
these
laterals
are
going
to
break
in
the
street.
I,
don't
think
it's
anywhere
near
a
huge
number
going
to
break
in
the
next
year
or
the
next
two
years.
Many
laterals
that
have
gone
on
for
years
functioning
will
continue
to
go
on
for
years
and
function.
I
Fine,
any
home
and
any
homeowner
who
wants
now
to
pay
for
this
work
in
city
streets
and
on
city
right-of-way
may
proceed
to
do
that
now
or
later
the
citizens
aren't
restricted
and
in
some
cases,
they're
doing
that
because
they
don't
know
about
this
magic
solution.
Where
you
put
in
a
clean
out
and
as
then
the
city
becomes
responsible
for
the
pipes
in
the
street.
I
These
costs
should
remain
with
the
city.
The
city
should
create
a
budget
to
meet
these
costs,
and
the
city
is
the
appropriate
party
for
the
repairs.
I'm,
a
citizen
who
objects
to
the
proposed
plan.
Common
sense
advocates
maintaining
current
procedure,
which
has
been
in
place
and
working
since
1986
about
28
years,
and
please
ask
me
any
questions.
You
want
I
know
more
than
a
little
bit
about
sewers
and
on.
A
A
J
Evening,
Council
I'm,
Jim,
evangelist,
I,
live
on
105
to
soda
way
and
I
just
wanted.
First
I'd
like
to
get
a
little
clarification
on
the
point
of
sale
that
was
recently
implemented
by
the
council
based
on
bacon
keepers
mandate.
Is
that
only
for
orangeburg
that
that
repair
has
to
be
in
or
any
I
believe.
That's
the
way
it
read.
When
I
was
looking
at
the
briefing
sent
to
counsel
it
is
only
if
the
house
had
orangeburg
would
there
be
a
necessary
replacement
if
it
was
crushed.
J
If
that's
the
case,
having
worked
in
the
sewer
department
for
11
years,
there's
a
less
than
1%
of
the
houses
in
san
bruno
have
orangeburg.
So
even
though
300
houses
a
year
may
be
sold
in
san
bruno
they're,
not
all
going
to
have
to
go
through
that
rigorous
situation
so,
and
now
I
would
like
to
just
address
some
of
the
questions
that
I
think
you
should
ask,
based
on
the
briefing
that
you
read,
why
wasn't
the
household
feed
modified
during
the
past
eight
years
when
this
crisis
about
the
sewers
has
been
fomenting?
J
This
is
a
reminiscent
of
the
crisis
you
guys
had
to
deal
with
when
all
of
a
sudden,
the
state
said
you're
getting
fine,
two
hundred
six
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars.
This
crisis
is
been
brewing
and
apparently
management
hasn't
been
dealing
with
it
they've
just
let
this
simmer
now
they're
presenting
to
you
almost
unworkable
situation
and
certainly
you're
going
to
go
to
the
default
easiest
way
to
go.
That's
what
they're
hoping
and
that
is,
let's
just
get
rid
of
this
responsibility.
J
J
I
have
no
idea
which
was
right
or
wrong,
so
also
I
would
like
to
say
if
they
increased
to
two
dollars
per
month
per
household,
that
would
generate
over
a
quarter
of
a
million
dollars
annually
to
work
on
laterals
and
once
you
repair
a
lateral,
ideally
you're
not
going
to
have
to
it's
not
to
be
continued
maintenance
or
have
to
go
back
and
repair
it
again.
If
it's
done
properly.
J
And
I
would
I
understand.
We
have
to
keep
those
SS
2
o's
down
I'm
for
that
as
much
as
anybody
else
here
is,
but
I
think
that
plus
my
train
of
thought,
sorry
I
think
that
if
you're
going
to
make
this
decision
based
on
that
criteria
that
you're
going
to
help
the
city
get
out
from
underneath
these,
then
I
just
that
you
reevaluate
the
number
of
staff,
because
I
know
here,
there
are
two
people
at
least
dedicated
to
lateral
maintenance.
I
did
it
myself
for
two
years
and
that
should
be
reevaluated.
J
The
money
could
be
diverted
into
CIP
projects.
So
there
is
a
ways
of
maker
paying
back
the
residents
for
putting
them
in
the
position
of
now
taking
responsibility
of
their
entire
lateral.
I
think
that
this
is
a
unique
plan.
I
agree,
it's
manageable
if
it's
a
run
really
well.
If
the
crews
are
instead
of
outsourcing
the
repairs,
which
is
accelerating
the
cost,
we
used
to
do
all
the
lateral
repairs
virtually
and
then
for
the
last
four
years.
J
J
And
I
was
I'm
just
wondering
also
why
it's
taken
so
long
for
management
to
respond
to
the
lateral
SSO
crisis.
They
really
didn't
start
to
do
really
a
lot
of
in-house
repairs
until
about
2010
and
since
then
it's
really
been
a
lot
more
repairs
on
laterals,
but
it's
been
done
by
outside
contractors,
so
those
kind
of
questions
I
think
has
to
have
to
be
asked
of
the
department
itself
and
and
then
maybe
you'll
better
understand
why
we're
in
the
situation.
We
are
right
now
that
I
believe
should
have
been
able
to
be
under
control.
A
You
a
couple
of
questions
for
staff
or
comments,
I
mean
mr.
Peterson
said
60
cents
times.
All
of
these
years
is
2.2
million
dollars,
but
I
understand
from
the
staff
report
that
just
this
year
alone
projected
spent
five
hundred
thousand
dollars.
So
you
know
way
way
behind
on
on
the
sixty
cents.
It's
not
even
going
to
come
close
to
anything.
C
As
I
understand
it,
that
does
that
is
a
requirement-
the
consent
decree
that
talks
about
specifically
about
orangeburg
and
the
dates.
I
believe
it's
1942
1960,
I'm
going
off
memory.
The
council
decided
to
expand
that
and
include
all
homes
built
before
1960
and
not
try
to
delineate
which
one's
had
orangeburg
and
which
ones
didn't.
A
K
Well,
we
have
not
done
a
calculation
to
determine
how
what
would
need
to
be
added
to
the
existing
waste
water
rates
and
I'm.
Sorry
to
say
that
none
of
your
staff
here
has
a
good
understanding
about
why
that
fee
wasn't
raised
at
some
point
in
the
past.
What
I
can
tell
you
is
that
the
way
that
the
race
water
rates
are
set
and,
in
particular
consistent
with
proposition
218,
which
is
a
much
more
recent
phenomena?
K
It
is
certainly
not
sufficient
to
make
a
dent
in
the
annual
cost
that
the
city
is
expending
in
the
current
time
period
for
its
services.
Under
this
program,
there
is
no
line
item
in
the
rate
structure
that
calls
out
that
amount,
so
how
that
got
established
or
what
the
cost
would
be
other
than
I
can
tell
you.
It
would
be
substantially
more
than
that
if
it
was
factored
into
a
monthly
charge.
Okay,.
A
C
We
have
six
this
year.
That
is
a
direct
result
of
the
decision
to
utilize
outside
resources.
To
do
the
bigger
work
you
might
say,
we
have
one
dump
truck,
it's
a
small
dump
truck.
We
have
one
backhoe.
We
just
do
not
have
the
resources
that
a
contractor
can
bring
to
bear
on
some
of
these
more
complicated
or
deep
digs,
so
to
speak.
We
would
tie
up
our
whole
entire
crew.
We're
better.
The
city
is
better
served
by
spreading
our
resources
out
to
do
those
maintenance
type
activities.
C
We
will
do
the
same
thing
and
make
some
significant
gains
on
some
of
those
issues
like
manhole
inspections
and
others.
If
this
policy
has
changed
so
we
were
stretched
kind
of
thin
now
to
do
what
we
need
to
do,
but
with
the
cmms
system
and
with
some
some
targeted
maintenance,
we're
doing
some
good
things
so
and
the
contractor
is
as
well.
F
Okay
Rico
to
church
on
that
point:
if
my
memory
is
correct,
SSOs
were
going
down
prior
CMMS
because
of
staff
and
the
diligence
sure
of
the
crew
before
all
this
outsourcing.
All
of
that
so
I
also
want
to
be
fair
to
those
that
have
been
in
the
field
and
that
cuz.
I
would
ask
the
question
periodical
may
have
study
sessions
and
it
was
like
wow.
They
were
going
down
and
I'm
sure.
C
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
factors
that
go
into
that.
You
know
some
of
the
CIP
projects
that
have
gone
in
some
of
the
pump
station
repairs
and
upgrades
that
have
happened.
Some
of
the
improvements
that
that
Dennis's
crew
is
made
out
in
the
field
as
improved
and
and
reduce
some
SSOs.
So
there's
a
lot
of
things
and
you're
correct
a
lot
of
things
going
to
that.
J
Oh
happened
there.
We
finally
fixed
a
20-foot
section
in
about
2010.
We
haven't
had
an
ssl
are
there
yet
since
then,
so
that's
one
of
the
really
reasons
why
that
the
count
of
sss
has
gone
down,
and
anybody
who
manages
a
sewer
system
knows
that
that
would
have
happened.
That's
what
it
takes
to
stop.
The
sss
is
repair
the
troubled
spots.
That's
why
the
CCTV
is
done.
J
I
I
only
got
the
agenda
friday,
so
I
didn't
have
a
lot
of
time
to
prepare.
If
you
would
like
to
see
a
petition
with
500
signatures
on
it,
that
you
should
maintain
the
current
policy
and
not
change
it,
I
can
do
that.
It's
not
everybody.
I've
talked
to
thinks
it's
nuts
to
change
the
approach,
just
recognize
that
you
need
to
make
a
financial
plan
for
it.
Thank
you
all
right.
E
E
How
much
where
we'd
have
to
go
from
60
cents
up
I
know
we
don't
know,
but
we'd
have
to
come
up
with
something
and
if
that's,
if
that's
what
the
this
board
wants
to,
you
know
take
on
or
if
that's
what
the
you
know,
the
residents
would
prefer
find
it,
but
I
mean
at
sixty
cents
a
month.
It's
not
going
to
happen.
So
what
should
it
be?
You
know:
are
we
going
to
get
into
increasing
our
seat
CIP
to
take
on
something
that
people
feel
that
it's
our
responsibility.
K
Sixty
cents
is
is
kind
of
an
irrelevant
feature
of
a
historical
resolution.
It
has
no
relevance
to
the
cost
of
delivering
the
program
or
what
the
cost-
and
this
is
our
primary
concern-
is
the
escalation
of
costs
in
trending.
As
we
see
those
costs
in
that
activity
level
trending.
So
we
could
certainly
make
some
projections
for
you,
but
currently
costs
are
being
covered
by
the
waste
water
rates.
We
would
anticipate
that
wastewater
rates
would
need
to
be
raised
as
the
escalation
of
activity
increases,
as
whereas
activity
levels
increase
as
we're
projecting.
E
I
realize
that
in
it
yeah
it's
just
a
it
I
think
that's
the
thing
is
that
if
we
as
as
a
department,
as
you
know,
as
a
city
council,
just
like
the
mains,
just
like
the
pump
stations,
just
like
you
know
all
the
other
infrastructure,
maybe
we
need
to
you
know,
put
something
out
there
as
to
this
is
what
it's
going
to
take.
We've
got
the
data.
We
know
we
anticipate
our
projections
as
to
how
many
over
the
next
10
20
years.
E
You
know
I'm
going
to
start
failing,
and
you
know
we
have
the
data
as
to
what
what
we're
not
keeping
up
with
right
now.
I.
Think,
that's!
You
know,
that's
the
argument
whether
we're
gonna
go
in
that
direction
or
not,
but
I
think
that's
the
argument.
We
need
to
communicate
in
a
two
day
to
the
community
that
it's
woke.
You
know
if
we
do,
if
you
do
want
us
to
keep,
you
know,
keep
the
program.
This
is
what
we
have
to
you
know
do
to
do
to
change
it.
I.
A
Think
the
exotic
coming
I'm
gonna,
make
and
I'm
just
kind
of
thinking
out
loud
here
is
I
mean
suppose
that
number
were
eight
dollars
a
month
or
something
you
can
get
insurance,
apparently
for
nine
bucks
a
month.
It's
going
to
cover
pretty
much
what
you
have
to
do,
and
it
is
in
fact
very,
very
cheap
insurance
I
earlier
this
year,
just
had
to
replace
my
lateral
and
with
that
I
put
in
a
cleanup.
A
A
C
That's
one
of
the
reasons
why
it
was
important
to
us,
as
we
went
through
the
research,
to
give
the
council
and
citizens
an
option
so
that
we
weren't
advocating
to
change
the
policy
and
then
say:
that's
it.
We
want
that's
why
we
research
the
warranty
companies
and
that's
we
wanted
to
provide
them
an
outlet,
a
way
of
self-help
and
nine
dollars
a
month
could
get
citizens
to
that
point
and
in
under
your
direction.
C
One
of
the
things
that
we
think
is
really
important
is
that
public
outreach
that
we're
not
just
going
to
have
a
sort
of
a
short-term
outreach
in
that
regard.
It
would
be
an
ongoing
thing
because
we
want
people
to
to
make
it
available
to
their
own
home,
so
they
don't
have
to
pay
those
increased
costs
if
they
do
have
a
problem
and
they
do
have
a
24-hour
service
and
they
get
in
that
bind
as
we
get
the
phone
calls,
but
they'll
be
able
to
rely
on
someone
to
get
there
and
get
it
repaired.
So.
D
One
thing
I'd
like
to
add
under
the
warranty
program
right
now:
we
could
go
out
to
a
house
and
let's
say
they
have
a
clean
out,
but
the
blockage
isn't
in
the
lower
lateral
it's
in
the
upper
lateral.
So
with
just
explaining
and
I
think
offhand,
a
plumber
just
to
respond
to
your
house
could
be
maybe
out
of
75
$95
and
then,
if
they
do
a
video,
I
think
I've
seen
150.
D
So
in
a
sense
if
they
were
to
go
with
the
warranty
program,
not
only
are
they
covered
from
the
lower
lateral
but
they're,
given
the
they're
given
protection
of
the
upper
lateral
that
we
can
do
nothing
for
them
at
this
point.
So
there
is
that
there
is
that
benefit,
and
we
researched
extensively
as
part
of
the
we
could
give
them
more
information
later
as
part
of
the
warranty
program.
They
also
offer
other
things
like
you
know.
D
If
you
want
to
ensure
the
piping
in
your
house
cuz,
not
my
mother's
gonna
ensure
everything
because
she
sees
she
sees
that
the
value
in
it
and
and
I
understand,
$1
a
dollar
and
and
and
it's
tough
to
make
that
dollar
sometimes.
But
if
someone
were
to
have
that
when
we
were
to
go
out
there
and
if
the
blockage
isn't
in
the
lower
lateral,
they
would
be
able
to
be
covered
for
that
upper
lateral.
F
The
only
thing
I
was
saying
is
is
options
when
we
tell
you
say
it's
not
sustainable,
that's
because
of
the
60
cents,
which
the
managers
correct.
That's
just
a
number
that
that
doesn't
work.
Obviously,
so
what
would
that
number
be
I?
Think
that's!
The
question
that
maybe
even
comes
moudaber
was
asking
because
I
think
you're
trying
to
show
the
public
options
we're
seeing
25%
of
it.
Currently
twenty-five
percent
of
the
11,000
currently
habit.
So
if
there's
the
option
of
those
go
up
in
order
to
make
it
sustainable,
is
that
an
option?
F
And
what
is
that
because,
obviously
we're
offering
what
we're
trying
to
say
is
the
city?
You
can
only
do
this
much
you
we're
going
to
offer
you
a
private
service
that
can
do
this
much
and
you
can
get
into
in
turn
interior.
Thank
you
and
external
coverage,
but
at
the
same
time,
too,
I
think
we
need
to
some
of
the
questions
have
been
raised.
I
think
they
deserve
answers.
F
I
think
it's
our
responsibility
to
have
answers,
and
if
we
don't
know
what
that
cost
is
a
person
can
look
to
us
and
say
well,
that's
great
for
you,
because
you're
not
paying
the
nine
dollars
a
month.
I
am
so.
What
does
it
cost
you
we're
talking
about
whether
it's
the
contractors
or
this
or
that
I
just
think
before
some
resolution
comes
before
the
council.
F
The
questions
that
were
raised
need
to
be
addressed,
need
to
answer
and
have
options
and
I
think
that
if
you
present
it
to
the
public
and
if
they
want
to
sign
a
petition-
or
they
say
you
know
what
honestly
I'd
rather
go
with
the
private
server,
because
I'm
gonna
get
more
bang
for
my
buck.
I
think
that's
something
that
you
present
to
people
that
they
make
the
decision
and
when
they're
well
informed,
I,
think
it
gives
them
opportunity
to
make
those
decisions.
G
You
I
appreciate
what
you
said
and
I
think
we
could.
They
stack
could
probably
come
back
with
a
number,
so
just
to
make
make
sure
I
have
a
scenario
right
right
now.
If
you
have
a
blockage
in
your
lateral,
that's
close
to
your
house,
you
don't
have
a
clean
out.
It's
close
to
your
house,
you're
responsible
for
it
property.
G
Owners
responsible
for
it,
okay,
that
can
take
up
to
and
I
had
mine
done,
but
it
was
maybe
10
or
15
years
ago,
so
that
was
five
thousand
dollars
there.
There
was
no
recourse.
There
was
no
insurance.
There
was
nothing
I
had
to
pay
the
whole
bill.
It
now
has
a
clean
out,
but
it's
only
two
feet
from
the
main,
so
I
still
have
responsibility
from
the
clean
out.
All
the
way
to
my
house
and
my
sewer
right
line
runs
to
the
back
of
my
house.
So
it's
a
long
run.
Okay.
G
Can-Can
it
I
and
my
math
is
really
bad.
I
was
looking
at
my
other
thing
and
it's
just
wrong
how
much
per
month
per
resident
is
that
going
to
cost?
That's
basically,
that's
the
aunt!
That's
the
question,
because
if
each
of
us
pay
nine
dollars
a
month,
everybody
in
the
city-
and
that
is
that
covers
the
cost-
is
that
what
we're
willing
to
do
instead
of
the
twenty
five
percent,
if
they
paid
the
nine
dollars
a
month
and
the
rest
of
us
don't
have
to
so
that's
the
question.
G
G
How
much
a
month
is
that
it's
eleven
thousand
residents
are
11,000
water,
sewer
bills,
X
amount
per
month.
Are
we
all
willing
to
pay
that
per
month
so
that
twenty-five
percent
of
the
people
don't
pay
nine
dollars
a
month?
I,
guess
is
the
question
I
I
I'm
trying
to
I'm
trying
to
get
people
to
understand
that
it's
either
a
hundred
percent
paying
X
amount
or
it's
whoever
chooses
to
pay
the
nine
dollars
a
month
for
this,
the
insurance
which
covers
more
than
the
city
would
cover
anyway.
Does
that
make
sense,
I
mean.
F
G
F
Had
that
option
so
I've
already
been
paying
city
of
san
fran.
Oh
no,
I
don't
have
the
personal
one,
but
I
mean
I
could
and
with
the
waiting
period
of
course,
and
I
couldn't
use.
This
I
could
use
somebody
else.
We're
just
saying:
we've
done
some
homework
on
this.
We're
not
advocating
I
believe
that
that's
the
only
option
the
residents
of
this
community
have
and
you're
right.
We
do
make
some
choices.
F
F
Let's
be
honest
with
each
other,
we
just
had
a
water
sewer
rate
not
too
long
ago.
That
was
a
close
vote,
but
at
the
same
time,
if
some
people
looking
at
this
going,
oh
wait
a
minute.
If
you're
telling
me
I'm
gonna
spend
nine
dollars
more
a
month
on
my
water
sewer
bill,
I'm,
not
okay,
with
that
there
are
people
that
aren't
k
today.
That's
why
I
voted
no,
but
at
the
same
time
we
do
have
the
other
burden
of
having
to
provide
the
service
to
make
sure
the
system
works.
F
L
It's
just
from
listening
to
you
guys.
It
just
sounds
like
to
me
that
there's
companies
out
there
are
being
way
more
efficient
than
what
we're
being
in
I.
You
know
as
much
san
bruno,
the
people
of
San
Bruno
I
hate
to
see
anybody
not
be
here
working
I'd,
love
to
see
more
people
working
here,
but
it
just
sounds
to
me
like
that.
If
some
other
coupling
come
here
and
protect
all
of
our
sewer
laterals
for
nine
bucks
a
month
each,
but
it's
gonna
cost
damn
500.
L
E
Need
more
information,
I
I
think
whether
we
have
a
study
session
or
something
just
get
both
sides
out
there
I
think
I
could
make
a
better
decision.
I
am
very
concerned
about
you,
know
maintaining
the
system
and-
and
you
know
reaching
that,
no
more
than
you
know
the
single
single
digit
SSOs,
because
then
we're
going
to
pay
more
we're
gonna
get
hit
again,
but
it's
I,
don't
I,
don't
want
to
say
that
we're
not
prepared
to
pay
for
this,
but
we,
you
know
we
haven't
budgeted
for
it
and
that's
what
we're
supposed
to
do.
E
If
that's
the
service
that
we're
supposed
to
provide
to
our
residents,
then
we
have
to
let
them
know
that
this
is
how
much
it
costs
and
I
think
we're
giving
it
away.
We've
been
giving
it
away.
So
if
that's
the
policy
we
want,
if
this
council
wants
to
vote,
to
keep
giving
it
away,
that's
one
thing,
but
if
we,
if
we're
going
to
keep
it
or
going
to
pass
it
on
to
us-
and
you
know
to
outside
and
I
think
we
need
to
hear
all
sides
where
you.