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C
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D
E
A
C
We
suggested
review
zoning
code
regarding
North
Beach
parking
overlay
to
consider
possible
enlargement
of
a
study
area
in
future
years.
By
the
way
I
check
the
zoning
code.
We
do
have
a
north
beach
parking
overlay,
and
so
it
makes
the
sense
that
in
the
future,
maybe
we
can
consolidate
or
or
revise
the
study.
But
that's
not
in
the
meeting
in
a
minute,
yes
suggested
with
suggested
reviewing
zoning
code
regarding
north
beach
parking
overlay
to
consider
possible
enlargement
of
the
study
area
in
future
years.
C
A
A
C
F
A
Move
that
one-
and
that
would
also
hold
true
for
item
D,
the
minutes
from
the
regular
funny
Commission
meeting
of
March
6th
okay
continue.
Okay,
the
next
item
is
oral
and
written
communications.
Remember
the
audience
may
address
the
Commission
on
matters
of
public
interest
which
pertain
to
the
city
and
are
not
otherwise
on
the
agenda.
If
you
wish
to
speak,
please
step
forward
to
the
microphone
state,
your
name
and
city
of
residence
and
make
your
presentation.
Please
limit
your
presentations
to
three
minutes.
Do
we
have
any
cards
to
come
forward?
Then?
Please.
H
My
name
is
Fred
Karski
I
moved
to
San
Clemente
in
1963
and
I.
Have
a
business
in
town
and
I
actually
have
my
name
on
the
plaque
on
the
pier
I'm
here,
because
I've
been
cited
for
having
two
RVs
behind
my
building
up
in
the
industrial
park,
and
my
purpose
is
to
show
that
that
there's,
you
know,
there's
there's
not
supposed
to
be
storage
theoretically
or
or
RVs
or
anything
behind
any
of
the
buildings
in
the
business
park.
There's
a
business
park
and
then
there's
a
destro
park.
Artis
is
actually
zoned
light
industrial.
H
So
there
is
a
great
area
there.
There
are
many
residences
neighborhoods
in
town
that
have
that.
Allow
RVs
to
be
parked
at
their
home
I.
Don't
feel
that
our
RVs
should
be.
You
know
in
the
business
park.
There's
we
have
no
through
traffic,
it's
all
tilt.
Ups,
there's
there's
businesses
there.
It's
there's!
No
people
coming
in
and
out.
You
can't
see
our
RVs
from
the
street.
We
keep
it
very
clean
these.
The
the
complaints
are,
you
know
the
fines,
our
complaint
driven.
H
So
at
one
point
my
nephew
moved
in
from
Wisconsin
and
he
was
actually
living
in
his
RV
behind
our
shop
for
about
three
months
and
someone
you
know
walking
through
walk.
Their
dog
saw
that
and
they
complained
about
it.
You
know,
in
the
mean
time
again,
they
allow
you
know
it's.
It's
I,
just
I,
just
drove
through
the
business
park
and
I
took
a
bunch
of
photos.
A
lot
of
the
places
have,
you
know,
gates
up
there
and
they're
just
a
mess.
You
know
it's.
It's
I
mean
very
unruly
and
stuff.
H
H
The
only
trailer
and
RV
that
we
would
park
behind
our
place
would
be
owned
by
the
owner
of
the
building,
the
owner
of
the
property,
which
is
us
we're
not
asking
to
get
an
RV
park
going.
There
is
an
RV
park
up
by
Rick's
trailer
supply.
You
know
some
storage,
that's
full
and
there's
also
one
off
iglasia.
That
is
just
a
mess
and
there's
actually
been
two
RVs
that
are
parked
out
there
for
months,
because
there's
over
you
know
overflow,
there's
not
room.
Basically,
our
our
RVs
are
insured
they're
registered
they're
covered.
H
We've
got
dinged
for
having
a
picnic
table
back
there,
a
covered
barbecue
back
there,
a
few
pallets
back
there,
trash
cans
back
there
has
become
almost
a
vendetta.
We
feel
the
the
person.
That's
given
us,
the
fines
doesn't
come
out
and
talk
to
us.
He
doesn't
work
with
us
very
much.
It's
just
black
and
white
and
in
reading
about
the
RV
park
again,
there's
it's
it's
a
business
park,
but
then
in
the
map
we're
in
zone
light,
industrial
and
again
on
our
street.
You
know
you
look
across
I
have
global
moving
and
storage.
H
H
All
we
ask
is
that
that
we
can
get
a
conditional
permit
to
park
the
RVs
behind
the
building,
only
the
RVs
that
are
owned
in
by
the
owners
of
the
building
owner
of
the
property
and
they
are
insured
and
registered.
So
there's
no,
you
know
it
learned,
just
not
throwing
a
bunch
of
trash
back
there.
So
that's
that's
my
point
right
now
and
there
are
some
zones
in
the
business
park.
I
apologize
for
the
bad
quality
of
the
photos.
I
didn't
realize
that
copying
them
would
be.
H
A
A
B
H
D
Right,
thank
you
and
if
I
could
just
say
we're,
you
know
working
with
the
planning
staff.
I
don't
know
if
you've
contacted
I'm
you've
probably
been
dealing
with
code
enforcement.
You
know
contacting
the
planning
staff,
our
chief
planner
is
here.
They
may
be
able
to
see
what's
going
on
in
the
ordinances,
and
you
know
clarify
some
things
or
see
that
oh
gee,
this
is
a
lie,
Industrial
versus
something
else,
and
they
may
or
be
allowed
or
not.
D
I,
don't
know
what
it
says
in
that
particular
thing,
but
they
are
a
good
resource
to
start
with,
actually
to
see
what
you
can
do
and
then,
if
there
is
something
that
you
feel
needs
to
be
changed
in
the
zoning
ordinance
say
to
allow
that,
if
planning
that
the
planning
staff
says
that's
what's
going
to
have
to
happen,
then
you
would
go
to
City
Council
and
ask
them
to
direct
us
to
take
a
look
at
the
zoning
ordinances.
Okay,
thank.
A
G
A
Have
a
second
motion
by
rueland
second
by
kasinsky,
all
in
favor
aye
passes
5-0
and
now
into
the
public
hearing.
The
public
hearing
process
includes
a
staff
presentation,
a
presentation
by
the
applicant
not
to
exceed
ten
minutes
and
public
testimony
to
facilitate
the
beating
for
all
attendees.
The
public
is
asked
to
limit
their
individual
presentation
to
three
minutes
following
closure.
A
I
I
Discretionary
sign
permits.
Well,
this
is
a
request
to
add
a
free-standing
sign
taller
than
six
feet
at
Tri
Cantina
restaurant
located
at
15
27
on
north
El,
Camino
Rail
discretionary
sign
permits
can't
cover
a
variety
of
things,
including
an
increase
in
the
allowed
sign
area
for
a
business.
That's
in
the
architectural
overlay
and
increase
in
the
sign
area
of
a
free-standing
sign,
or
in
this
case,
an
increase
in
the
height.
I
That's
allowed
for
a
free-standing
sign
this
proposal,
or
this
project
has
been
reviewed
by
the
designer
view
subcommittee
a
couple
of
times
once
in
December
of
2018,
we
labeled
that
as
the
mailbox
sign
there
on
the
left
and
once
again
in
February
of
2019
again
just
my
terminology,
climate,
the
billboards
tent
on
the
right
there's
a
footnote
on
this
slide.
That
indicates
one
of
the
topics
of
discussion
of
those
meetings
is
that
both
of
these
signs
fall
under
our
definition
at
the
city
of
a
pull
sign.
I
The
definition
is
basically
requires
that
the
foundational
elements
of
that
sign
be
wider
than
the
sign
itself
to
fall
under
the
category
of
a
monument
the
staff
report
describes.
This
distinguish
distinguishing
characteristic
a
little
bit
if
it's
a
monument
sign
of
a
city
consent
considers
only
one
face
of
that
sign
to
be
the
sign
area.
If
it's
a
pole
sign,
then
we
double
that
it
both
sides
of
the
face
are
included,
and
so
one
of
the
concerns
initially
with
the
designer
you
subcommittee,
was
limiting
the
total
allowance
of
sign
area.
I
I
Part
of
how
we
came
or
how
the
applicants
came
to
freestanding
sign
is
that
there's
landscaping
at
adjacent
parcels
the
curve
of
the
road
at
North,
all
camino,
al
and
speeds
of
traffic
in
this
area
that
do
necessitate
a
free-standing
sign,
you'll
notice,
also
in
the
staff
report.
The
the
plans
that
were
submitted
prior
to
submission
of
the
report
indicated
a
sign
that
was
seven
feet
tall.
I
So
after
publication,
I
did
have
continued
dialogue
with
the
applicant
and
incorporated
into
the
report
a
condition
of
approval
1.8
that
does
allow
for
an
increase
of
up
to
one
foot
additional
height
for
the
sign.
The
purpose
of
that
is
that
it's
staffs
feeling
that
the
finding
C
can
be
better
met,
that
the
appropriate
scale
and
size
of
the
sign
is
something
that
would
allow
for
this
height.
You
can
see
from
both
these
images
here,
there's
a
vehicle
parked
on
the
street
directly
in
front
of
the
sign.
This
is
a
common
situation.
I
This
is
one
of
the
on
street
parking
areas
that
our
parking
study
showed
that
there
is
regular
parking
in
this
location
and
so
that
extra
increase
of
a
foot
in
height
could
allow
for
more
visibility
of
that
sign
for
drivers
on
north.
All
communal
rail
staff
does
recommend
that
the
Planning
Commission
determined
that
this
project
is
categorically
exempt.
That
would
be
an
exemption
using
section
15
311,
which
is
for
accessory
structures
and
adopts
resolution.
Pc
19-0
0-8
to
approve
discretionary
sign,
permit
18,
5,
5
7
for
the
schwag
freestanding
sign.
I
E
I
That
I
do
not,
or
the
plans
do
not
indicate
the
exact
location
of
the
blade
sign
that
wasn't
really
a
focus
or
a
topic
of
from
the
design
review
group
just
that
it
would
be
on
the
alley.
Frontage
and
the
blade
sign
just
a
quick
clarification
on
those
as
well.
Within
the
architectural
overlay.
Blade
signs
up
to
six
square
feet
do
not
require,
or
do
not
count
against
sign
area
so
there.
That
would
not
be
something
that
triggers
any
kind
of
discretionary
review,
the
location
or
placement
of
that
six
foot
sign.
So.
E
I
just
went
out
to
the
site
and
notice
that
the
building
was
set
back
a
little
farther
than
some
of
the
buildings
are
right
up
to
the
line
of
the
alley.
My
main
concern
was,
if
that
sign
being
a
blade
time,
projecting
out
would
encroach
at
all
but
I
think
that,
because
there's
there
is
a
variation
on
the
face,
the
back
abilities
wasn't
sure.
E
Where
I
mean
it
wouldn't
matter
it
looked
like
it
would
still
fit,
even
if
it
was
on
the
you
know,
outermost
outermost
wall
of
the
building
adjacent
to
the
property
line,
but
I
suppose
insurance.
It's
not
in
the
exhibit
in
the
work
truck
okay
and
also
did
and
I
contacted
staff
today
and
asked
them.
Questions
about
about
red
curbs
and
in
the
intent
was
just
playing
it.
Naaman
asked
question:
my
intent
was
to
really
explore
why
we're
going
so
high
with
the
sign
and
I
thought
well
gosh.
E
When
I
went
out
today,
there
was
a
couple
cars
there
on
a
different
scale
of
the
truck
and
that
small,
the
small
regular
house
from
sedan
truck
was
there
at
the
hard
time
seeing
traveling
south
just
seeing
the
building
at
all.
Really
south
is
a
tough
one.
Mm-Hmm,
so
I
could
see
you
know
how
or
why
they
out.
They
would
want
a
sign
this
high.
So
when
I
contacted
Jonathan
today
we
talked
about
that
a
little
bit.
I
wish
Nestor
would
have
stayed
because
Tomlin
Vonnegut's,
the
owner
here
with
Nestor,
can
answer
this
question.
E
You
know
what
steps
would
be
necessary
to
relieve
the
property
of
that
potential
obstruction
and
give
us
an
avenue
to
not
have
to
grant
a
special
exception,
because
the
height
limit
is
6
feet
for
the
sign.
That's
why
I
t-rex
it's
over
six
feet
and
the
reason
is
that
cars
can
park
there.
What,
if
you
had
two
vans
parked
there?
You
know
the
sign
can
be
15
feet.
It
wouldn't
matter.
He
wouldn't
see
it.
If
there
were
no
cars
parked
there.
E
You'd
have
no
reason
for
an
exception
to
the
height
limit,
because
there'd
be
no
obstruction
of
it
and
there's
other
red
curves
out
there.
I
just
didn't
know.
You
know,
logically
how
we
can
make
that
happen
if
there
are
certain
requirements
for
space
etc
and
what
the
what
the
rules
are
for
that.
If
that
had
been
explored
and
at
that
time
the
conversation
it
had
not
been
explored
yet,
but
it
was
something
in
Jonathan
was
pondering.
So
where
did
we
how
far
we
got
him
since
yeah.
I
We'll
only
recommend
approval
for
red
curving
if
they
deem
that
there
is
a
traffic
hazard
in
that
location.
That's
created
by
parking
in
that
spot,
so
I
did
take
a
look
at
this,
both
a
chain
and
with
Tom
Vonnegut
today,
and
he
said
he
indicated
that
this
is
not
a
location
where
he
would
recommend
a
right
kerb,
but
again,
City
Council
is
the
ultimate
approving
body
for
something
of
that
nature.
So,
in
addition
to
the
the
potential
traffic
hazard,
the
one
other
consideration
would
be
if
there's
multimodal
traffic
added.
I
E
That
was
really
important.
At
least
you
know
in
the
world
of
you
know:
development
you're
always
looking
for
it.
You
know
what
you
can
and
can't
do,
and
sometimes
you
can't
do
what
you
want
and
there's
a
remedy
for
that
by
the
dairy
ins
process
exception.
Whatever
yeah,
it's
usually
you
know.
The
steps
we
would
take
would
be
to
explore
tall
volleyball
through
this
before
you
ask
for
an
exception,
and
if
that
was
not
viable,
then
that
would
make
this
request
even
more
valid.
E
You
know
there
was
no
workaround,
because
our
intent
along
this
primary
corridor
is
that
we
reduce
a
visual
blight.
That
was
the
whole
point
of
this
whole
thing.
We
don't
want
signs
up
and
for
those
that
come
in
new,
it
kind
of
part
of
the
deal
and
move
nurses
transaction
don't
be
upset
if
the
train
goes
by
it
and
how
it
works.
E
However,
this
this
situation
right
here,
I'm
at
a
special
situation,
a
special
circumstance
which
warranted
a
discussion,
so
I
thought
it
was
important
that
we
at
least
have
that
on
the
table
on
this
and
as
part
of
it
for
those
two
here.
So
I
appreciate
you
looking
into
that
absolutely
thank
you.
Thank
you
and.
A
Jonathan
we've
just
been
having
pretty
steady
work
sessions,
and
one
of
the
things
that
can
happen
in
some
of
these
zones
is
that
the
on
street
parking
has
relieved
some
of
the
congestion
firms
sites
that
don't
have
adequate
parking.
So
this
is
one
of
the
few
sites
that
we
got
a
great
parking
lot
and
it's
wonderful,
so
very
good.
Any
other
questions
of
staff
I
do.
C
F
C
No
fine,
he
says
a
free-standing
sign
is
included
in
a
signer
application
of
a
design
scale
or
occasionally
buting's
dictates
the
use
of
free-standing
sign.
So
this
is
not
a
post
sign.
It's
a
monumentation
monument
side.
Can
you
honest,
I,
get
the
the
landscaping
they're
a
huge
Canary
Island
palm
trees.
Blocking
some
of
the
video
I
gave
that?
Can
you
elaborate
a
little
bit
about
the
curve
of
the
street
and
what
impacts
you
from
which
direction?
The
visibility
to
this
business
I
can.
I
And
then
I
may
also
offer
the
microphone
to
the
applicant
to
offer
some
additional
insight
on
that
front.
But,
as
you
travel
south,
especially
you,
don't
have
a
building
elevation,
that's
perpendicular
to
the
road,
so
the
only
option
for
a
sign
for
visibility,
as
you
travel
south,
would
be
what
you
see
here
from
the
street
view
on
that
building
wall,
but
those
palm
trees
that
you
indicated
when
you
look
at
street
view
from
Google
do
block
that
portion
of
the
wall.
I
So,
prior
to
this
application,
you
can
see
that
that
wall
face
that
is
perpendicular
would
be
visible.
Northbound,
traffic
and
northbound
traffic
does
have
visibility
on
the
existing
wall
sign,
but
that
removes
half
of
the
potential
customers
from
having
visibility
of
signage
and
that's
what
the
owners
trying
to
remedy
and
and
essentially
the
siting
of
the
building
in
the
way
that
it
is
with
that
adjacent
landscaping
is
what
results
in
that
situation,
where
there's
just
not
visibility
as
you
travel
in
the
one
direction.
Okay,.
I
So
the
direction
that
we
received
from
the
design
review
subcommittee
was
a
preference
to
move
the
blade
sign
to
the
alley.
That's
certainly
something
that
could
be
discussed
today
and
it
again
does
not
preclude
the
blade
sign
from
remaining
on
the
building,
that's
something
that
is
still
within
their
allowed
sign
area
limitations.
As
far
as
the
location,
the
direction
from
design
review
was
to
move
towards
the
alley
and
the
applicants
assented
to
that.
But
if
that's
something
that
would
like
to
be
the
Planning
Commission
would
like
to
discuss
today.
That's
no
problem.
A
E
I
Food
they
could
and
again
it
that
would
be.
It
could
be
a
condition
of
this
approval
of
the
monument
sign
that
the
blade
signed
be
located
in
a
different
location.
That
could
certainly
be
a
condition
of
the
sighting
of
this
sign.
But
yes,
at
that
current
location
of
the
sign,
that's
there
whether
it
says
Cantina
or
any
other
copy,
there's
nothing
that
precludes
it
from
being.
In
that.
E
I
They
can
there
what
there
was
discussion
at
one
point
from
design
review,
indicating
a
preference
to
move
it
towards
the
alley.
They're
willing
to
do
that.
If
that's
something
that
just
from
being
on
the
record
and
discussion
that
you're
okay
with
that
being
located
anywhere
on
the
building,
then
within
the
minutes,
then
staff
when
we
do
the
administrative
sign
permits
for
these
signs
would
not
care
where
that
blade
sign
is
located.
I
J
Hey
gentlemen,
so
yeah
I
think
Jonathan
did
a
good
job
of
explaining
kind
of
our
purpose.
To
address
a
few
of
the
questions
regarding
the
blade
sign,
it's
really
not
a
very
visible
sign
in
its
current
location
and
doesn't
matter
to
us
whether
it
stays
or
goes
or
moves
to
the
background,
preferably
the
back
of
the
restaurant,
because
then
it
gives
you
signage
in
an
area
where
there
is
none
good,
but
the
visibility
is
what's
important.
J
G
J
We
were
inside
Clemente,
but
they
had
no
idea
where
and
even
with
the
internet
and
all
the
ways
that
people
can
find
you
have
people
come
in
the
restaurant
with
their
Google
map.
Saying
I
could
find
you
on
the
map,
but
I
couldn't
find
the
restaurant
so
and
a
lot
of
that
has
to
do
with
rate
of
traffic
in
North,
Beach
and
I
know.
J
There's
parking
studies
and
other
things
going
on
that
are
hopefully
gonna
help
some
of
these
situations,
especially
with
the
safety
in
matter
of
our
customers
and
stuff,
but
for
us
being
there
early
before
a
lot
of
the
new
development.
It's
important
that
we
succeed-
and
this
is
a
major
part
of
our
success-
is
being
visible
to
our
customers
and
taking
advantage
of
our
location
being
on
Coast
Highway
with
a
high
traffic
rate
is
a
big
part
of
that
with
the
lack
of
foot
traffic
in
the
North
Beach
area
in
general.
So
that's
pretty
much.
K
K
So
this
is
just
a
way
to
support
a
three
year,
investment
that
and
we
made
it.
Basically,
we
have
a
20
year
commitment
in
there,
so
we're
planning
on
being
one
of
the
first
in
and
the
last
out.
So
you
know
to
me,
so
we
appreciate
your
consideration.
We
certainly
appreciate
the
review
committee
and
their
support
and
helping
us
to
arrive
at
something
we
feel
like.
Is
it
architectural
II
pleasant,
but
that
visibility
is
critical
to
us
absolutely
critical
and
you
come
down.
You
come
down
the
north.
K
You
buy
the
restaurant
before
you
see
it,
you
really
are
and
southbound
to
I
mean
this
will
help
southbound,
maybe
it'll
slow
people
down
a
little,
which
is
a
big
mission
on
that
streak.
Is
that
I
told
these
folks?
It
seems
like
it's
an
exit
of
San
Clemente
once
you
come
down
the
hill
they're
gone
and
we
have
to
as
a
whole
project,
not
just
this
restaurant
but
the
area's
slow
that
system
down,
so
that
they
can
see
that
our
options
for
them
to
patronize.
So
we
appreciate
your
consideration.
I.
Have
you
question.
E
My
view
sure,
thank
you.
Would
you
what
are
your
thoughts
on
keeping
that
blade
sign
up
there
and
and
also
doing
something
on
the
back?
Maybe
moving
that
Cantina
to
the
back
replicating
on
the
back
and
maintaining
a
plate
sign?
Were
you
opposed
to
that?
Would
you
have
any
reservations
to
keep
it
there,
although.
K
I
think
it's
secondary
in
a
huge
way,
so
I
like
the
idea
about
it
being
on
the
alley
and
I
think
with
this.
With
this,
this
sign
you've
accomplished
both
things.
You
know
I
like
that.
There's
the
address
on
there
too,
that
was
Max's
inspiration,
I
mean
it.
It
gives
a
sense
of
permanency,
yeah
and
so
now
I
I
it
could
stay
or
it
could
go
or
it
could
go
in
the
back.
We're
not
really
too
sure.
Sir.
Would
you
be.
H
J
J
E
K
D
K
K
And
a
lot
of
times
if
people
are
parked
in
there
and
you
walk
in
the
restaurant
and
there's
not
as
many
bodies
inside
as
the
cars
might
reflect,
so
that
curb
parking
is
very
important
to
us.
So
and
it's
used
I
mean
very,
very
often
you
drive
down
there
and
and
so
that
extra
height
just
gives
us
a
bump
up
of
the
north
to
south
bound
to
and
a
northbound
to
get
that
sign
visible
to
get
up
and
into
their
attention
a
little
more
part.
J
Over
this
way,
cuts
in
so
if
we
had
an
overview
which
I
don't
think
we
do.
If
you
have
an
overview
of
the
sign,
the
landscaping
itself,
that's
the
widest
point,
landscaping
which
would
get
us
which
would
get
us
the
sign
that
the
size
we're
able
to
have
any
further
towards
you'd
end
up
in
a
shorter
landscaping
bed,
and
it
would
shrink
the
size
of
the
sign.
K
J
A
G
C
Your
residents
a
long
time
and
I
like
it
I
like
the
outdoor
sitting
area,
especially
I,
think
if
we
have
a
visibility
issue
from
northbound
traffic.
We
are
just
that
full
result,
the
start
phone
but
northbound
and
that
can
be
dealt
dealt
with
by
the
war
sign
or
a
play
design
or
both.
So
my
preference
is.
C
Usually
an
escape
to
to
shield
the
Messiah
from
from
people
driving
northbound,
because
they
can
rely
on
a
war
sign
and
a
play
sign.
The
the
reason
is
this:
monument
sign
is
sister
writing
in
front
of
the
architecture,
seem
to
be
a
little
too
tall
for
me
and
with
the
landscaping
sauteing
it
we
were,
and
also
with
allowing
them
to
put
the
sign
on
the
wall.
C
C
D
D
D
Let's,
oh
you
know
the
condition
we
have.
You
know
I
made
you
the
biggest
stickler
on
this
in
terms
of
condition
II
whether
this
dictates
the
use
of
a
free-standing
sign,
and
we
actually
have
some
experience
with
this
building
now
and
we
look
at
that
Street
and
the
speed
on
the
street.
There's
all
that
mature
foliage,
especially
to
the
south
of
the
building.
There's
all
that
mature
foliage.
That
does
a
lot
to
block
signage.
D
The
one
thing
that
I'm
a
little
concerned
with
is
they're
going
from
seven
to
eight
feet.
Seven.
This
is
supposed
to
the,
but
we
want
to
move
this
area
to
more
pedestrian
orientation
and
seven
feet.
A
seven-foot-tall
sign
is
already
a
bit
large
I'm,
not
sure
how
much
you're
going
to
get
out
of
eight
feet.
I
mean
if
there's
a
truck
there,
it's
going
to
be
blocked,
whether
it's
seven
or
eight
feet.
D
If
it's
a
car
there,
you
know
I,
suspect
they'll,
be
able
to
see
enough
of
the
sign
so
I'm
wondering
anyone
else
is
an
opinion
on
it,
but
I
sort
of
feel
like.
Let's
keep
it
at
seven
feet
to
keep
the
pedestrian
orientation
there
I'm
just
administrative
Lee
too.
As
far
as
the
condition
of
approval
itself
is
concerned,
it
doesn't
seem
like
a
condition
of
approval
to
me.
It
seems
like
an
entitlement
that
we're
putting
in
the
conditions
of
approval
and
maybe
I,
don't
know
mal
if
you
might
have
a
comment
on
that.
D
That's
condition
1.8,
which
essentially
allows
for
a
sign
of
eight
feet
versus
seven
feet,
as
opposed
to
being
a
condition,
but
I'll
give
you
time
to
look
at
that.
But
that's
it
seems
to
me
that
we're
putting
an
entitlement
in
the
conditions
Arian
if
I'm
wrong
about
that
I'll
be
happy
to
be
wrong,
but
other
than
that
I
could
I
could
happily
support
a
project.
I
really
appreciate
the
way
you
worked
with
us
saw
through
Design
Review
mr.
Buckwald
I.
E
Thank
you,
yeah
I
think
mr.
real
quick
mr.
ruins
point
yeah
that
I
can
get
behind
that,
but
I
think
really.
The
intent
was
to
give
a
vehicle
to
the
applicant
to
modify
if
necessary,
but
not
necessarily
to
go
any
higher,
but
to
just
give
them
that
opportunity
if
they
want
to
go
lower.
We'd,
be
okay
with
that
and
that's
why
the
condition
is
in
there
correct.
B
Okay,
correct
and
well,
the
other
thing
too
is
yeah
I,
don't
think
we
had
an
exhibit
at
that
time.
That
would
show
with
a
theme
would
look
like,
and
so
the
applicants
would
like
to
go
in
that
direction
and
here's
an
opportunity
to
show
the
plan
Commissioner.
What
that
would
look
like
and
to
support
that
condition
too,
but
and
that
I
don't
know
if
you're
able
to
see
it
Mel,
but
that's
the.
E
Then
so
it's
just
to
move
on
with
with
this,
you
know,
I
agree
that
the
blade
sign
on
the
back
is
a
neat
element:
I'm
a
big
fan
of
improving
alleyways
and
making
it
more.
You
know,
pedestrian,
friendly
and
inviting
folks
to
use
our
alleyways.
It
has
to
start
somewhere,
and
that
gives
a
little
life
to
it
for
sure.
There's
already
some
life
there
with
the
adjacent
use
for
cross
the
alley.
E
There's
some
interest,
I,
guess
a
better
way
to
put
it
so
I
I
think
that
our
intent
here
is
to
draw
attention
to
the
use.
I.
Think
it's
a
to
neat
architectural
element.
I
support
the
plate,
design
remaining
in
the
front,
but
not
the
you
know
additional
Cantina
language
I
mean
it
would
just
need
to
be
somewhere
either
on
the
blade
sign
or
on
the
sign
itself.
The
noose
is
proposed
on
which
I
think
is
better
a
place
for
it,
but
that's
just
my
opinion.
I
think
the
elephant
wanted
to
keep
that.
E
E
It
would
be
handled
administratively
if
they
want
to
come
back
and
do
another
one
on
the
back
or
the
one
in
the
front
it's
already
entitled,
so
they
can
keep
it
if
they
want
to
so
yeah
I,
like
I,
like
the
sign
I,
agree
that
seven
versus
eight
feet,
I,
don't
think
it's
gonna
make
a
huge
difference
now
that
we
know
that
parking
cannot
be
eliminated
in
front
of
the
views.
I
mean.
E
If
you
really
wanted
to
be
effective,
you
need
to
go
like
15
feet,
I
mean
so
many
parks
couple
vans,
air
you're,
all
done.
No
one's
gonna
see
you
and
there's
no
limit
on
the
you
know
during
Operation.
You
know
somebody
could
legally
park
there
all
day,
long
and
just
completely
block
to
use
so
yeah
I'd,
say
idea
on
the
side
of
you
know.
Less
is
more
I.
Think
they're
both
gonna
do
about
the
same
thing.
I'm,
not
a
super
big
fan
of
this
view.
E
Right
here
it
does,
you
know,
obstruct
your
view
of
the
building
a
little
bit
in
some
of
the
details,
the
awnings,
etc.
I
think
the
ways
to
minimize
that
might
be
to-
and
this
maybe
didn't
come
up
at
the
design
review
level
that
were
here
we're
not
trying
to
design
a
pier,
but,
in
my
opinion,
the
scaling
of
it.
E
If
we're
gonna
go
as
big
as
we
can
go,
we
might
as
well
look
at
other
elements
that
are
adding
to
the
massing,
and
that
would
be
the
posts
there
did
it
just
in
this
rendering
they
just
look
huge
it
just.
It
seems
like
they
kind
of
match
the
posts
with
the
lights
on
top
and
the
dining
outdoor
dining
area.
It's
kind
of
a
replicated
element,
but
it
just
seems
like
an
excessive
element.
Just
doesn't
need
to
be
there.
I
think
would
be
more
effective
with
something
or
minimize.
E
Maybe
that
would
color
to
the
base
design
a
narrower
post,
maybe
wrought
iron
with
a
cab
or
finial.
Some
sort,
so
I'd
be
open.
Having
discussions
on
that,
but
in
terms
of
what
is
proposed
now,
if
no
other
option
exists,
I,
you
know,
I
can
get
behind
this.
You
know
we're
trying
to
help
help
this
this
business
owner
and
the
sign
is
certainly
going
to
be
big
enough
to
draw
attention
so
I
can
support
it.
E
I
would
like
to
see
some
some
minimizing
on
the
post
I
like
to
see
those
elements
get
a
little
smaller,
less
obtrusive
and
I
too
would
be
more
inclined
to
go
with
the
seven
feet
versus
the
eight
I.
Just
don't
think
there
should,
but
it's
gonna
make
a
huge
difference,
because
it's
lost
in
the
top
anyway.
A
And
weekend
it
was
good
I'll
chime
in
here
I
will
say
that
think
that
a
unique
location
that
is
much
harder
to
sign
than
most
any
other
piece
of
property
in
the
area
right
now
and
I
understand
the
need
for
the
monument
sign.
I
think
something
that
we
probably
should
have
requested
was
more
photos
coming
south,
because
that's
really
where
you're
gonna
pick
up
a
lot
of
visibility,
having
a
sign
with
just
one
side
and
high
trying
to
hide
the
other
one,
it
hugs
the
building,
either
way.
A
A
A
A
That
might
be
a
good
reason
to
leave
the
cantina
sign
up
in
the
up
on
the
front
as
well
to
pick
up
if
the
sign
does
get
hidden.
At
least
you've
got
that
show
in
the
cantina,
in
the
rare
cases
that
the
science
block
but
I
could
support
the
resolution
and
I
think
Jonathan
did
a
great
job
with
the
presentation
of
working
with
them
to
bring
us
something.
That's
a
far
cry
better
than
what
we
originally
saw
when
it
first
came
in
commercial
Kosinski,
I.
F
Like
what
you
put
together,
I
can
make
the
findings
for
a
through
e
I
would
suggest
that
before
you
start
taking
down
the
late
signs
to
possibly
do
a
mock-up,
because
just
to
see
if
it's
the
Veals
that
visibility
you
want,
because
based
on
these
pictures
and
this
rendering
your
sign
is
not
going
to
be
at
that
angle
and
I'm.
A
little
concerned
that
you're
not
going
to
get
what
you're
looking
to
get
out
of
the
sign.
F
C
It
already
went
through
that
review.
Should
we
design
on
a
diet,
I'm
not
sure
so.
I'm
gonna
support
that
early
years,
but
I'm
not
gonna,
still
support
an
eight
feet
tall,
because
every
little
bit
helps
you
can
go
even
higher
higher.
Where
do
you
cut
the
line?
I
think
we
should
act
upon
what's
in
front
of
it,
there's
seven
feet
or
sign.
Okay,.
D
Yeah
two
things
one
is
I
want
to
get
some
clarification,
I
guess
on
the
blade
sign,
because
we
some
people
have
been
suggesting
that
we
add
the
blade
sign
back
to
the
front
and
it's
something
that
we
discussed
very
specifically
in
design
review
in
terms
of
reducing
the
amount
of
sign,
clutter,
I'm,
not
sure
how
much
it
would
add
in
terms
of
the
visibility
I.
Think
one
of
the
things
that
the
applicant
was
talking
about
in
design
review
is
that
it
they
didn't.
D
As
I
recall,
they
didn't
seem
to
think
that
it
added
much
in
the
long
run.
That's
they
had
added
the
blade
sign
to
catch
her
more
traffic
and
as
I
recall
it
didn't.
It
didn't
help
that
much
and
it
kind
of
adds
to
the
sign
clutter.
So
I
have
a
little
concern
about
that,
and
maybe
Jonathan
is
there.
Can
you
talk
to
us
about
the
entitlements
for
the
blind
sign?
Is
it
something
regardless
of
what
we
do
here?
Are
they
entitled
to
put
it
in
the
front
or
the
back?
I
What's
the
deal,
so
the
code
allows
for
one
blade
sign
up
to
six
square
feet
to
be
included
that
doesn't
count
against
the
sign
area
so
where
we
are
now
the
only
thing
with
what's
proposed
that
triggers
the
discretionary
time
permit
is
the
height
adding
a
second
late
sign
would
trigger
going
above
the
25
square
feet
of
sign
area
allowed
for
a
business
that
is
still
covered
by
the
same
discretionary
sign.
Permit
the
noticing
that
we
did
just
referred
to
a
new
freestanding
sign
in
the
area.
G
Mr.
chairman,
commissioners,
if
the
question
is
whether
we
can
dictate
where
the
blade
sign
goes
through
this,
this
approval,
it
was
mentioned
previously
that
we
could
probably
condition
approval
of
this
of
the
location
and,
and
that's
that's
fine.
Anything
else
would
would
would
be
going
beyond
with
a
noticing
allows
for
here.
G
But
if
the
Commission
felt
like
the
blades
time,
were
better
off
in
the
back
of
the
building
by
the
alley,
they
could
certainly
impose
a
condition
of
approval
that
that
stated
as
such,
especially
if
the
applicant
is
amenable
to
that
that
that
certainly
makes
that
possible.
Otherwise,
the
applicant
as
as
Jonathan
has
stated,
has
a
right
to
place
that
plate
sign
really
anywhere
on
the
building.
So
unless
it's
conditioned
with
the
the
acquiescence
of
the
applicant,
there's
no
other
way
really
to
deal
with
that
yeah,
but.
I
One
quick
clarifying
question
for
from
a
lie.
My
understanding
was
that
there
was
a
consideration
of
a
second
blade
sign.
So
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
my
understand
was
that
the
Commission
was
discussing
potentially
adding
a
second
blade
sign,
which
would
then
put
put
them
above
the
sign
area
which
requires
a
discretionary
sign
permit.
D
D
Yeah
personally,
I'm,
not
I,
wouldn't
be
in
favor
of
allowing
a
second
blade
sign.
They
got
the
first
one
by
right.
So,
okay,
thanks
for
clarifying
that
so
I
wanted
to
find
out
about
that,
because
I'm
a
little
a
little
concerned
about
the
clutter,
but
the
only
other
thing,
a
different
note.
This
wasn't
pointed
out,
but
I
think
it's
worth
making
sure
people
know
it's
a
little
hard
to
see
on
this
even
notice.
The
logo,
a
surfer
logo
actually
goes
up
and
outside
of
the
boundaries
of
the
sign.
D
My
understanding
is
and
Jonathan's
in
discussion
right
now.
So
if
I
can't
answer,
I
believe
that
that
she
doesn't
count
in
the
sign
area,
signage
area,
which
is
fine
because
it
actually
I
think
is
a
nice
dramatic.
You
know
feature
so
it's
nice
for
them.
It
kind
of
it
actually
gives
an
element
of
the
sign.
That's
a
little
bit
higher
than
other
parts
of
the
sign
and
does
kind
of
a
nice.
D
D
D
E
E
A
A
E
C
D
Right,
if
there's
no
other
discussion,
I'd
be
happy
to
make
a
motion.
Please
I'll,
move
that
we
adopt
resolution
of
a
PC
1908,
a
resolution,
the
Planning
Commission
cities,
San
Clemente,
California,
approving
into
a
discretionary
side.
Printer
five,
five
seven
Schweich
freestanding
sign
a
request
to
install
a
freestanding
monument
sign
at
an
existing
restaurant
located
at
1
527
North
El
Camino
rial,
with
a
change
to
condition
of
approval.
1.8
to
read
the
height
of
the
sign,
may
be
modified
by
the
applicant
and
shall
not
exceed
7
feet.
A
A
D
A
B
I
could
start
off.
You
know
the
planning
commissioners
Academy.
Some
of
you
have
been
to
it
before
it's
a
event.
The
League
of
Cities
of
California
puts
on
every
year
and
it
was
at
Long.
Beach
was
on
the
Queen.
Mary
I've
been
to
it
twice,
but
it's
a
good
opportunity,
especially
for
any
Commissioner,
to
go,
but
especially
for
new
commissioner.
So
it
was
good
that
commissioner
agency
could
attend.
B
Some
of
the
highlights
are
just
they
provide
legislative
updates
that
are
important
for
the
client
Commission
to
know
about.
So
one
of
the
things
I
I
noticed
is
that
there's
a
lot
of
housing
bills
in
the
works
right
now.
That
would
affect
communities
like
San
Clemente,
but
also
some
bills.
Regarding
redevelopment
so
bringing
back
redevelopment
to
the
state,
you
might
take
a
different
form.
F
Found
some
of
the
laws
that
they're
being
proposed
as
2,700
I,
believe
new
amendments
being
proposed
in
the
legislative
session.
Some
of
them
haven't
deal
deal
with
the
ad
use,
which
would
eliminate
parking
requirements,
would
increase
height
limits,
increased
densities
have
possibly
one
is
going
to
be
introduced
to
80
use
on
a
property
as
a
reserve
right.
So
all
those
are
interesting.
They're
all
coming
down
the
pipe
and
I
was
inspired
by
the
opening
speaker,
which
he
had
some
great
ideas
on
making
cities
more
walkable
and
Gabriel
and
I
talked
about.
F
Possibly
he
suggested
there
might
be
some
money
that
we
could.
The
city
can
get
in
making
at
Del
Mar
more
walkable
for
a
short
period
of
time,
just
as
a
test
to
see
eliminating
the
cars
nope,
no
cars
going
up
and
down,
and
just
putting
park
benches
and
and
trees
and
whatnot.
So
I
thought
that
was
interesting.
But
all
in
all
is
a
good
good
conference.
C
C
The
only
thing
I
want
to
add
is
a
state
has
a
one-time
money:
500
million
for
emergency
sheltering
and
I
think
of
giving
the
the
lawsuit
against
the
city
of
South
Orange
County.
What
other
cities
in
the
county
I
heard
a
summary
rumor
that
someone
may
want
to
consider
that
the
possibility
to
explore
that,
but
but
the
city
or
the
county
or
each
other
has
to
declare
emerging
the
CEO
during
emergency
before
they
can.
They
can
tap
into
that
money.
A.
C
So
we
voted
to
recommend
the
City
Council
to
establish
a
stakeholder
advisory
committee
for
the
pier
bacterial
resource,
characterization
study
and
appointed
a
vice
chair
wing
combo
piano
to
serving
this
committee.
What
they
do
is
they
used
and
they
used
k9
marker
key
animal
and
human
DNA
marker
and
they
couldn't
a
few
point.
The
exact
reason
why
this
low
water
quality
is
are
bad
and
now
the
DNA
marker
of
a
being
the
birth
available.
C
A
E
I,
thank
you
for
that
update
guys
for
the
planning
event
that
that's
it's
good
information
to
have
those
discussions
and
put
it
out
in
the
public
big
stuff
happening,
the
coastal
Advisory
Committee.
What
they
do
is
pretty
important
and
it's
especially
when
there's
issues
on
the
table
that
really
make
a
difference.
This
water
pollution
thing
that
discussions
been
going
on
forever
and
there's
even
been
mitigation
by
understanding
under
the
pier
to
reduce
the
number
of
pigeons
etc,
and
it's
always
been
a
suspicion
in
that
it's
caused
by
the
avian.