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From YouTube: Planning Commission Meeting February 6, 2019
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00:04:00 Call to Order
00:04:55 Minutes
00:06:15 Regulation of Leaf Blowers
01:55:46 Terra Brazil Convenience Store
02:05:45 La Paloma Triplex
002:15:40 2018 Downtown Parking Study T-Zone Occupancy Count Update
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C
B
We
have
a
second
second
move
by
rule
and
second
by
Blackwell,
all
in
favor,
aye,
aye
opposed
and
one
abstention.
The
next
item
is
oral
and
written
communications.
Members
of
the
audience
may
address
the
Commission
on
matters
of
public
interest
which
pertain
to
city
and
are
not
otherwise
on
the
agenda.
If
you
wish
to
speak,
please
step
forward
to
the
microphone
state,
your
name
and
city
of
residence
and
make
your
presentation.
Please
limit
your
presentations
to
three
minutes.
Do
we
have
any
cards
for
all
the
written
communications?
No.
B
Okay,
very
good.
The
next
item
is
the
consent
calendar
and
we
have
none
so
down
to
public
hearings.
Time
limitation
for
applicants
is
ten
minutes
all
other
speakers.
Three
minutes.
The
public
hearing
process
includes
a
staff
presentation
of
presentation
by
the
applicant
not
to
exceed
ten
minutes
and
public
testimony
to
facilitate
the
meeting
for
all
attendees.
The
public
is
asked
to
lower
their
individual
presentations
to
three
minutes.
Follow
enclosure.
D
E
So
in
March
of
2018,
the
City
Council
received
a
report
on
leaf
blowers
and
had
several
directives
for
staff
to
pursue.
Overall,
they
did
not
want
to
ban
all
leaf
blowers
in
the
city,
but
to
consider
establishing
regulations
on
the
operations
of
gas-powered
leaf
blowers,
the
currents
the
city
currently
regulates
fugitive
dust
control
and
noise
control.
It
also
exempts
some
government
operations
and
City
weed
abatement
activity.
E
However,
it
doesn't
clearly
restrict
the
use
of
leaf
blowers,
so
leaf
blowers
have
been
around
since
the
1970s.
The
use
of
blowers
was
accelerated
in
California
because
of
our
drought
conditions.
Since
that
time,
some
cities
in
California
have
implemented
restrictions,
however,
of
the
482
municipalities
in
California.
Only
six
cities
have
banned
them
altogether
since
their
inception.
The
three
main
concerns
have
been
that
leaf
blowers,
one
produce
exhaust
emissions,
they
resuspend
dust
and
three
they
generate
high
noise
levels.
E
They
asked
staff
to
reach
out
to
additional
stakeholders,
residents
and
interested
parties
and
the
HOAs
or
homeowners
associations
code,
compliance
that
more
information
was
requested
on
the
types
of
complaints
received,
existing
noise,
ordinance
and
response
to
those
complaints,
information
on
other
types
of
lawn
and
garden
machinery,
those
that
also
make
noise
and
create
emissions,
and
the
municipal
use
of
leaf
blowers
and
regulations
set
forth
by
other
cities.
A
copy
of
the
minutes
attached
to
your
report.
E
So
in
response
to
the
Planning
Commission
direction,
we
did
some
proactive
outreach.
We
called
residents
who
expressed
concern
I
actually
personally,
reached
out
to
those
contacts
who
left
their
information
as
part
of
the
public
hearing
process
about
the
leaf
blowers
in
and
the
prior
public
hearings.
These
residents
indicated
that
the
leaf
blowers
are
a
major
nuisance
in
their
neighborhood.
They
express
concern
about
emissions,
resuspended
dust
and
noise
and
together
they
all
preferred
some
level
of
ban
on
leaf
blowers.
I
also
contacted
the
HOAs.
E
They
consistently
responded
that
they
received
very
few
or
no
complaints
about
leaf
blowers
in
comparison
to
other
complaints
that
they've
received
and
when
they
did,
it
seemed
to
be.
Regarding
the
noise,
these
representatives
indicated
that
their
maintenance
crews
operate
between
two
and
five
days
a
week,
and
generally
they
indicated
that
they
could
incorporate
a
time
limitation
on
leaf
blowers
when
they
operate
when
asked,
if
that
was
something
they
could
incorporate,
we
also
coordinated
with
city
staff.
We
continued
our
coordination
with
Public
Works
and
code
compliance
personnel.
E
E
So
in
drafting
the
ordinance
staff
has
been
careful
to
ensure
the
inflammation
of
new
leaf
blower
regulations
are
both
feasible
and
enforceable.
The
few
complaints
received
by
code
compliance
were
typically
in
response
to
noise.
In
the
early
morning.
They
investigate
these
non-emergency
issues,
usually
within
their
normal
compliance
timeframes.
E
Other
types
of
lawn
and
garden
machinery,
so,
according
to
the
California
Air
resource
board,
fumes
and
emissions,
are
created
by
all
gas-powered
machinery,
both
lowers
and
vacuums,
but
it's
important
to
note
that
air
quality
is
regulated
by
the
state
and
leaf
blowers
are
within
or
below
those
standards.
It's
also
noted
that
gasoline
and
electric
blowers
generate
high
noise
levels
that
might
be
offensive.
Noise
control
can
be
difficult
to
enforce,
especially
when
it
comes
to
intermittent
or
ambient
noise.
E
E
So
municipal
use,
we
worked
closely
with
Public
Works
and
drafting
this
ordinance
so
that
it
wouldn't
negatively
affect
the
city's
maintenance,
operation
and
costs.
While
they
were
exploring
the
battery-powered
option
for
their
use,
they
will
most
likely
use
gas-powered
leaf
blowers
in
order
to
maintain
a
high
level
of
city
services,
the
ordinance,
the
draft
ordinance
before
you
exempt
city
contractors
from
the
restrictions
in
the
ordinance.
As
mentioned
previously,
there
are
very
few
cities
with
regulations
on
leaf
blowers
and
even
fewer
who
have
banned
the
multi.
E
E
So
the
ordinance
before
you
tonight
incorporates
definitions.
It
includes
reference
to
leaf
blower
operation
in
specific
noises,
and
it
includes
restrictions
that
apply
to
the
use
of
leaf
blowers.
Specifically,
this
new
chapter
will
include
regulation
to
address
early
morning.
Operation
allowable
hours
of
operation
are
9:00
a.m.
to
5:00
p.m.
Monday
through
Saturday
in
residential
areas
or
within
200
feet
of
residential.
E
E
The
ordinance
intent
is
to
again
ensure
city
maintenance
operations
can
continue
and
that
the
city's
municipal
code
can
be
enforced.
We
conducted
the
outreach
to
residents
and
interested
parties
landscapers
as
well
as
HOAs
staff,
does
not
recommend
a
full
ban
on
gas-powered
leaf
blowers,
since
this
would
substantially
increase
the
cost
of
maintenance
operations
for
public
and
private
upkeep.
E
The
recommendation
before
you
is
to
as
a
adopt
the
sequa
and
the
resolution
recommending
that
the
City
Council
adopt
the
city
initiated
code
amendment
for
regulation
of
leaf
blowers.
That
concludes
my
presentation.
I
did
also
want
to
bring
to
your
attention
that
adamite,
a
mian
is
here
to
represent
code
compliance
in
case
you
have
any
questions
regarding
that:
okay,.
B
E
F
E
So
the
code
requirement
is
that
they
have
the
sticker
affixed
to
it
that
says
65
they
can
be
within
50
feet.
It's
not.
It
doesn't
read
that
they
they
can't.
The
way
it
reads
is
that
in
residential
districts
there
are
restrictions
and
also
within
200
feet.
There
are
restrictions
on
time
and
that
should
they
operate
a
commercially
operated
device
that
it
has
to
have
the
65
decibel.
It
couldn't
be
a
machine
that
has
a
higher
an
SI
rating.
E
F
D
F
E
I,
you
can
see
how
confusing
it
can
be
with
noise,
so
this
simplifies
it.
You
either
code
enforcement.
If
someone
were
blowing
at
8:00
a.m.
on
a
Monday
morning,
they
would
be
in
viola
in
a
residential
district.
They
would
be
in
violation
of
the
code
if
they
were
using
a
machine
that
had
as
the
ANS
I
certification
of
seventy
DBA.
They
would
be
in
violation,
however,
if
it
were
sixty
five
and
they
were
doing
it
at
9:00
a.m.
E
they
would
be
within
the
limits,
even
if
they
were
standing
next
to
you
by
building
it
were
not
measuring
sound.
The
sound
has
already
been
measured
by
the
ANS
I
and
placed
on
the
machines.
So
all
the
code
compliance
would
be
doing
is
to
check
the
machine
to
make
sure
that
it's
already
been
certified
rather
than
out
with
noise
meters
measuring
so.
F
E
F
E
So
the
owner
of
each
commercially
operated
is
one
key
term
leaf.
Blower
shall
a
fix
on
it,
a
clearer,
identifying
manner
there
businessing
their
business
address.
Now.
This
is
a
sticker
in
addition
to
that
they'd
have
to
put
on
there
so
that
we
can
get
in
contact
with
them
and
a
manufacturing
manufacturer
certification
label
which
they
all
come
with
from
the
ANS
I
that
certifying
the
leaf
blower
measured
from
fifty
feet
does
not
exceed
sixty
five,
we're
not
out
there
measuring
it
at
50
feet.
It
already
has
the
sticker
on
it
or
it
doesn't.
E
D
Good
evening,
so
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
is
very
important
when
considering
the
legislation
like
this
is
to
understand
the
legislative
intent
in
case
the
ordinance
is,
is
ever
challenged
and
to
understand
the
idea
behind
it.
So
so
indulge
me
if
you
will
on
on
a
couple
of
these
on
a
couple
of
these
items.
D
The
first
one
is
kind
of
going
to
the
original
agenda
report
from
the
City
Council
and
I
did
have
the
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
at
least
one
of
the
council
persons
that
was
present
during
that
meeting
and
asked
them
their
recollection
of
it.
So
so,
if
I'm
reading
from
that,
the
council
inquired
about
gas
leaf
blowers
versus
non
gas
leaf
blowers
and
the
cities
use
of
leaf
blowers
versus
private
citizen
use
of
lease
leaf
blowers.
D
So
the
reason
that
I,
that
I
kind
of
bring
to
those
two
items
is
it
was
at
least
a
recollection
of
one
of
those
council
members
that
there
were
concerns
about
city's
use
of
the
leaf
blowers
in
a
negative
way,
not
in
a
let's
exempt
them
from
regulation.
Type
of
way
was
that
your
understanding
of
that
City
Council
meeting.
E
D
I'm
trying
to
understand
legislative
intent
here
are
the
at
least
a
directive
intent
which
wasn't
really
what
Public
Works
and
the
city
departments
wanted.
This
was
what
the
governing
body
of
the
city
wanted,
so
that
seems
at
least
to
be
at
odds
with
some
of
the
some
of
the
recommendations
that
are
being
made
here
today,
at
least
according
to
a
former
recollection
of
a
former
city
council
member,
which
was
the
concern,
was
not
exempting
city
staff
and
city
resources,
but
rather
there
needed
to
be
tighter
regulation
of
city
leaf
blowers
and.
A
Commissioner,
tally
of
one
of
one
of
the
suggestions
by
the
City
Council
members
at
the
meeting
was
that
we
look
at
public
works
operations
and
see
what
the
impact
would
be
if
there
was
a
ban
or
restrictions
on
leaf
blowers.
So
that
was
one
of
the
recommendations
also
would
be
the
impact
on
code,
compliance
enforcement.
So
that's
some
of
the
of
the
feedback
that
we
received
from
City
Council,
okay,.
D
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E
E
D
A
Mean
I
guess
in
this
report:
they
don't
make
recommendations
for
full
ban
on
gas-powered
leaf
blowers,
but
they
do
make
recommendations
on
to
reduce
blowing
debris
into
the
street
adjacent
properties
and
to
develop
some
of
those
restrictions
in
the
last
page
and
the
recommendations.
So
that's
what
we're
doing
this
is
we're
recommending
time
restrictions.
We
do
have
standards
that
would
limit
someone
from
blowing
degree
onto
adjacent
property.
A
The
standards
that
we
are
recommending
that
the
Planning
Commission
adopt
are
similar
to
the
city
of
Dana
Point,
who
have
adopted
standards
for
the
regulation
of
lead
lowers,
and
so
this
is
in
compliance
with
what
they've
adopted.
We
think
these
are
are
fair
without
implementing
a
poll
ban
on
gas-powered
leaf
blowers.
So
and
that's
part
of
some
of
the
directive
that
we
received
from
the
City
Council
when
this
was
first
consider
so.
D
One
of
the
one
of
the
items
that
was
mentioned
in
this
ARV
report
was
allowing,
and
it's
talking
about
the
the
decibel
layer
levels
at
certain
feet
and
it's
I
think
part
of
this
was
that
the
city
of
Davis
allows
single-family
home
owners
to
avoid
any
restrictions
that
the
leaf
blower
is
operated
for
less
than
10
minutes
all
right.
So
that
kind
of
solves
the
perpetual
noise
type
of
issue.
Did
we
consider
placing
the
limitation
on
the
duration
of
the
leaf
blower
for
single-family
residences
and
homeowners,
specifically
no.
E
A
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D
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D
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D
I
think
the
last
time
we
talked
about
this,
the
concern
was
brought
up,
that
this
was
a
very
broad
definition.
So
I
guess
I
want
to
ask
from
a
legislative
intent
perspective
a
lawn
mower
uses
a
you
know,
a
blade
that
produces
air
that
discharges.
You
know
grass
clippings
trimmings
and
cuttings
out
the
side
at
a
high
volume.
D
So
second,
second
item
would
be
I,
have
a
portable
air
compressor
made
by
Dewalt
battery-powered
powers,
my
leaf
blower
as
well,
that
has
a
tank
that
I
use
for
a
variety
of
air
tools,
one
of
which
is
I,
have
a
nozzle
that
discharges
air
right
that
I
can
use
to
clean
up.
You
know
my
garage,
or
you
know
around
my
areas,
would
that
fall
under
this
definition
that.
D
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D
More
concerned
about
legislative
intent
right
now,
which
is
trying
to
understand
what
the
what
the
ordinance
means
and
why
it
was
done.
The
way
it
was
that's,
the
the
legal
questions
would
be
if
it
gets
challenged
or
something
along
those
lines
like
I.
Don't
think
these
are
procedural
in
nature.
These
are
substantive
continue.
G
E
G
E
G
A
question
for
the
training
I
heard
about
the
findings
that
we
need
to
make
my
recollection
is:
we
need
to
make
a
lot
of
findings
through
approval
project,
but
to
recommend
the
City
Council
to
adopt
the
ordinance
I
think
we
need
to
make
a
finding
of
a
secret
determination
other
than
that
there
any
other
findings
that
we
have
to
make
before.
We
make
a
recommendation.
Mr.
A
Chair
commissioners
yeah
this
this,
this
action
is
legislative
in
nature.
So
technically
it
needs
to
be
consistent
with
a
general
plan,
but
really
it's
simply
sequa,
and
then
it's
and
that's
your
discretion
as
to
whether
you
like
this
as
a
policy
matter
or
not,
and
it
could
be
forwarded
on
to
the
council.
But
this
is
not
like
a
see
you
PE
or
some
kind
of
a
entitlement,
a
permit
with
specified
findings.
Okay,
thank
you
and.
B
A
A
You're
taking
into
consideration
environmental
issues
doesn't
trigger
sequa,
it's
the
actual
impacts
on
the
ground
that
would
trigger
sequa
and
and
class
seven
and
class
eight
and
see
who
have
exemptions
that
are
specific
to
these
types
of
regulatory
actions.
So
it
is
permissible
for
the
Commission
to
consider
the
environment
and
taking
a
regulatory
action
like
this
without
it
triggering
anything
beyond
an
exemption,
which
is
what
is
recommended
here.
Thank
you.
Okay,
very
good,.
F
F
A
D
D
A
Yes,
there's
a
there's
a
chance
and
I
misspoke.
The
55
decibels
is
at
night
it's
65
during
the
day.
Okay,
still
a
possibility,
though,
because
of
that
a
NSI
rating
from
50
feet,
they're
definitely
going
to
be
louder
at
the
source,
so
that
activity
along
the
property
line
would
be
exempted
if
they're,
in
compliance
with
everything
else
in
the
proposed
ordinance.
So.
D
So
we
could
actually
make
the
the
neighbor
that's
on
a
zero,
a
lot
line
or
that's
the
same
person
who
came
to
us
and
was
discussing
affect
it
they're,
trying
to
work
at
home
in
their
home
office
and
guys
using
it
rattling
around
in
the
backyard.
It
could
actually
become
noisier
and
you
couldn't
enforce
that
as
long
as
they
had
the
65
DB
sticker
on
their
in
it.
Yes,
okay.
C
A
B
H
Good
evening,
excuse
me
Brian,
Daly,
Sacramento
resident,
my
wife
and
I
have
been
in
the
city
for
approximately
four
years.
I
am
employed
by
an
energy
corporation
and
they
have
been
working
internationally
for
the
last
ten
years
currently
employed.
This
first
of
all
would
like
to
say
thank
you
for
your
service.
Second
of
all,
appreciate
you
taking
this
under
consideration
with
all
the
issues
that
are
going
on
within
the
city
within
the
country
in
the
state.
H
This
may
seem
like
a
monday
point,
but
to
our
point,
we
were
held
in
a
year
at
our
particular
residents,
we're
held
at
approximately
four
hundred
thirty
nine
hours
a
year,
we're
held
hostage
by
indiscriminate,
the
leaf
blowing
and
there's
no
consequence
to
these
individuals.
We
don't
even
really
know
who
to
call
you
called
the
planning,
the
the
city
police,
it's
basically
pretty
much
a
hands-off
there's,
still
questions
about
decibels,
dust
where
they
can
blow
where
they
can
blow
the
fugitive
emissions
or
what
have
you.
So?
H
What
we're?
What
I'm,
basically
saying
and
and
proposing,
is
that
you
consider
what
neutral
do
that
a
laguna
beach
is
done
with
the
total
ban
with
the
Tobin
there's
no
question:
it's
not
okay,
it'd
be
I,
have
numerous
numerous
videos
with
the
noise
is
this
latest
today?
If
you
want
to
hear
them
be
happy
to
share.
Obviously,
we've
all
heard
them.
We've
all
been
annoyed
by
it.
H
In
the
report
which
I
appreciate,
there
was
a
lot
of
effort
that
went
into
this
report
a
lot
of
time,
yeah
and
it's
very
complex,
I
understand
that
from
I
would
understand
it's
very
complex.
Well,
all
the
you
Lee's
appreciate
the
questions
from
the
floor
here,
the
warrior
because
they
are
looking
at
this
seriously
and
the
repercussions
and
it
may
cause
as
far
as
cost
I,
don't
think
it's
crippled
the
city
of
Laguna,
Mill
Valley
and
the
other
people
other
cities
that
have
actually
inflated
implemented
a
total
ban.
H
H
Thievery,
we've
normalized
deviation
here
where
this
noise
is
become
acceptable,
and
so
our
our
case,
where
we
add
a
one
hundred
and
thirty
nine
hours
a
year,
that
we're
held
hostage
at
our
home
by
indiscriminate
leaf
blowers,
is
you
can
multiply
that
by
the
number
of
residents
in
the
housing
units
in
the
city
and
it
gets
pretty
astronomical
if
you
start
punching
up
the
numbers,
not
real,
complex
math.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
I'd.
B
H
On
a
cone
sac
in
an
HOA
HOA,
yes,
sir-
and
these
are
all
there-
was
eight
houses
in
eyesight-
that's
where
I
get
the
numbers
from
they
operate
between
15
to
20
minutes
per
household,
with
relief
floors
so
with
they're,
saying
that
they're
gonna
run
up
cost
I
say
get
a
rake,
get
a
broom
use
that
for
15
minutes
it's
not
an
operation
center.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
very
much.
The.
I
I
I
If
this
body
is
reluctant
to
ban
blowers
altogether,
I
would
suggest
electric
blowers
only
in
that
case,
although
that's
less
preferable
than
a
total
ban
and
if
that's
not
acceptable
to
the
body,
this
body
I
would
suggest
that
there
be
a
discrimination
made
between
types
of
neighborhoods.
I
live
a
couple
of
blocks
from
the
beach
near
Linda
Lane
park
in
that
neighborhood
and
there's
many
blocks
in
that
area.
I
West
of
the
freeway,
the
older
part
of
San
Clemente,
where
the
population
is
very
dense,
the
setbacks
are
minimal
lot
sizes
are
small,
yards
are
small
or
non-existent,
and
I
said
what
unfortunately,
I
only
had
one
copy
of
a
photo
from
a
typical
building.
In
my
neighborhood,
where
you
see,
there's
absolutely
no
yard
at
all,
and
that's
pretty
typical
for
these
neighborhoods,
there's
no
yard
or
very
very
tiny
yard.
In
those
cases
raking
sweeping
or
at
worst
case,
an
electric
blower
should
be
sufficient.
D
D
I
B
D
So
a
couple
of
things:
thanks
Frank,
don't
you
me
other
questions?
Fellow
commissioners
I
think
there's
some
parts
of
this
ordinance
that
that
make
a
lot
of
sense.
Specifically
the
revision
to
the
chapter
where
it
talks
about
any
person
using
or
operating
the
leafblower
shall
not
cause
dirt
dust
debris
to
go
upon
the
neighbor's
yard.
I
mean
I.
Think
that
could
be
any
person
operating.
Any
yard
equipment
should
not
allow
that
to
occur
right.
I
mean
that's!
D
It's
sad
that
we
have
to
codify
that,
but,
as
I'm
sure
code
enforcement
probably
deals
with
that
probably
happened
this
more
than
you
would
think
where
people
just
push
stuff
to
their
neighbor
and
be
done
with
it.
I
am
not
I'm,
not
comfortable
with
the
the
lack
of
discrimination
between
gasoline-powered,
leaf
blowers
and
electric
powered
leaf
blowers.
D
I
I
do
want
to
compliment
staff.
I
know
you
guys
were
working
at
City
Council's
direction
on
this.
So
thank
you
for
putting
together
that
report.
I
think
that
the
exemption
of
city
staff
and
city
departments
from
the
ordinance
that
we're
talking
about
here
are
recommending
is,
is
wrong.
If
we're
gonna
adopt
a
citywide
ordinance,
then
the
city
should
be
subject
to
its
own.
You
know
to
its
own
rules,
you
kind
of
have
to
eat
your
own
dog
food.
D
Don't
think
it's
fair
that
you
ask
a
you,
know:
kind
of
pseudo,
the
pseudo
city
service,
to
abide
by
different
rules
in
your
asking
the
city
to
to
abide
by
I.
Think
there's
some
common-sense
changes
that
we
could
make
to
this
ordinance.
That
would
probably
make
it
passable
I
think
you
know
we
should
exempt
electrically
powered
devices
from
the
from
the
leafblower
definition.
I
think
that
we
could
replace
the
fuel
and
electricity
with
the
gasoline
engines.
D
D
Before
everybody
comes
over
to
watch
the
fireworks
I
mean
under
this
code,
you
would
not
be
able
to
use
the
leaf
blower
on
the
4th
of
July
I'm.
You
wouldn't
be
able
to
use
it
on
llobregat.
You
wouldnt
be
able
to
use
it
on
Memorial
Day,
because
those
are
City,
recognized,
holidays
and
I.
Think
that
is
I
just
think.
That's
wrong!
D
I
could
live
with
this
ordinance
if
we
were
able
to
make
I
think
some
common-sense
changes
to
it.
That
would
make
it
not
burdensome
for
the
average
for
the
average
resident
and
and
also
make
the
city
abide
by
the
same
rules
that
we're
asking
its
residents
to
abide
by,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day
you
know
it's,
you
know
that's
only
right,
fair's,
fair
or.
C
Yeah
I
have
a
somewhat
similar
concern
as
you
do.
We
give
it
given
the
exemption
for
city
property
I
actually
think
it
makes
sense
in
terms
of
you
know
public
park
ways
and
walkways
where
people
are
going
to
be
during
the
day
when
the
leaf
blowers
are
going.
You
don't
want
that
around
that's
actually
very
disturbing
to
them,
so
allowing
them
to
do
that
early
in
the
morning
say
in
a
large
Park
area.
Golf
course
that
sort
of
thing
actually
helps
protect
people
from
that
kind
of
noise,
I'm,
actually
pretty
okay
with
it.
C
C
I
think
the
exemption
should
really
be
about
large
parkways
people
places
where
people
are.
You
know,
enjoying
the
environment
during
the
day
when
normally
I
think
the
intent
of
these
time
restrictions
are
well.
You
know
you
can
do
this
in
residential
areas
during
the
week
when
people
more
or
less
aren't
at
home
right.
We
don't
want
it
going
on
during
the
holidays
and
people
at
home
or
in
the
evenings
when
people
are
at
home
so
that
the
thing
is
is
under
those
public
areas.
That
situation
is
flipped.
C
C
Think
one
of
the
things
we're
seeing
that
we
didn't
hear
from
Co
enforcement,
but
we
heard
from
some
of
the
speakers
is
that
they're
hearing
this
for
lengths
of
time
so
they're
in
a
place
where
there's
a
number
of
columns,
every
one
of
those
homes
are
getting
15
or
20
minutes
of
leaf
blower
and
over
a
period
of
week
it's
a
couple
of
hours
over
a
period
of
years.
It's
hundreds
of
a
year.
C
It's
a
hundred
something
hours,
I'm,
not
quite
sure
what
to
do
with
it,
because
I
assume
that
that
time
is
at
each
home.
So
each
home
is
getting
a
slice
of
that
time
over
there.
We
could
restrict
it
to
ten
minutes
in
a
residential
neighborhood.
I
am
a
little
concerned
with
how
we
might
enforce
that.
C
But
I
think
it
is
an
interesting
idea
to
say
no
more
than
ten
minutes
there
I'm
tempted
to
say
maybe
a
residential
ban
is
the
right
thing,
because
there's
a
lot
of
very
small
or
non-existent
laws
and
taking
a
broom
might
not
be
that
much
large
of
an
effort,
but
I
think
that
making
that
band
is
outside
of
our
purview.
In
this
particular
case,
I
think
City
Council
has
made
it
clear
that
they
don't
want
a
ban.
C
So
as
far
as
what
we
recommended
an
ordinance
I
suspect
we
shouldn't
have
a
ban
that
doesn't
mean
we
still
couldn't
make
that
recommendation
to
them
along
with
approving
the
ordinance.
So
that
may
be
a
way
to
do
that
if
we
think
that
that
kind
of
communication
needs
to
go
to
them,
so
I
guess
one
of
my
biggest
concerns
now
is
the
length
of
time
that
some
people
are
experiencing.
This
I
have
leaf
blower.
C
Next
to
my
house,
you
know
every
Monday,
but
it's
ten
minutes
long,
it's
tolerable,
because
it's
it's
over
and
done
with
in
ten
minutes,
but
having
it
every
day.
For
you
know,
a
decent
chunk
of
time
is
more
problematic
and
I.
Don't
know
how
many
people
around
the
city
are
encountering
that,
but
if
it's
any
more
than
a
few
people,
maybe
it's
something
we
need
to
think
about,
and
that's
it's
kind
of
our
my
my
mind
is
that
with
that
right
now,.
G
G
Then
clearly
a
need
for
them
to
start
early,
so
they
have
to
be
exempt,
afford
it
for
the
time.
I.
Don't
think,
there's
any
issue
here.
Hoa.
If
you
live
on
a
HOA,
I
guess
HOA
hire
the
contractor
to
clean
the
common
area.
Those
noise
issue
could
be
handled
by
the
HOA
because
when
our
issue
a
higher,
this
color
Landscape
Contractors
baking
ask
them
to
operate
within
certain
hours
to
reduce
that
disturbance
to
the
residents.
G
G
Perhaps
we
can
limit
I,
don't
know
how
we
can
enforce
it,
not
sure
yet,
but
but
I
at
least
I.
We
can.
We
can
ask
something
saying
a
homeowner
shall
not
make
you
use
a
leaf
blower
on
his
or
her
property
for
more
than
whether
it's
15
or
20
minutes
continues
to
be
some
language
of
that
I
think
that
will
probably
solve
the
some
of
the
issue
and
I
was
thinking
the
worst
case.
G
Someone
just
decide
to
stand
on
your
property
and
a
turn,
their
leaf
blower
at
all
for
no
reason,
and
that
will
kick
in
and
become
the
coding
fourth
nation,
so
I
think
adding
a
duration
limit
of
duration
of
the
noise
makes
a
sense
and
it
could
alleviate
some
issue
here.
The
biggest
complaint
I
hear
here
is
noise.
I
understand
they
are
benefits
to
to
paying
gas-powered
leaf
blowers
because
of
the
Michigan
it
because
of
dust.
G
F
F
F
In
fact,
it
reads
you
know
at
that
hearing
on
the
27th
of
January
2000,
they
are
being
directed
staff
to
explore
the
potential
analogical
advances
in
this
area
and
I
did
not
see
a
report
or
an
update
from
that
staff
that
was
directed
to
do
so,
whose
20
years
ago
so
I'm
sure
things
have
improved.
Since
then,
I'm
sure
the
gas
powered
motors
are
more
efficient,
maybe
cleaner,
but
the
fact
is,
they
still
pollute
and
they're
still
out
and
they're
still
gonna
be
louder
than
what
our
own
noise
ordinances
allow
for.
F
Electric
or
gas
I
I
think
that
a
full
ban
of
these
in
residentially
used
areas
rinsed
residential
zones,
where
homes
are
not
talking
about
in
HOA
areas
or
golf
courses
where
there
are
large
buffers
landscaped
areas
that
are
technically
in
a
residential
zone
or
adjacent
to
I'm
talking
in
residential
zones
in
neighborhoods,
not
to
allow
them
at
all
in
an
areas
where
there's
large
areas
that
need
that
efficiency
to
allow
it.
But
with
some
regulation
on
it
you
know
the
the
200-foot
separation
from
residential
used
areas
owns
is
I.
Think
great.
F
It's
a
good
buffer
I
think
that
ordinance
should
be
souped
up
with
some
language.
That
says
that
in
no
case
should
any
equipment
be
operated
closer
than
50
feet
from
the
property
line
or
not
to
exceed
the
maximum
noise
level
allowed
in
the
respective
zones.
Then
we
need
to
have
a
blanket
we're
not
going
to
be
wandering
or
trying
to
parse
out
by
definition,
what
is
alley?
F
Fellow
and
what
isn't
it's
just
any
equipment,
any
outdoor
equipment
that
could
potentially
with
a
sticker
or
not
it's
leaf
blowers,
specifically
rated
by
n
CF
v
50
feet
the
noise
source
at
65,
DBA,
okay,
and
put
a
50
foot
limitation
on
all
equipment
that
way,
you're
protected
enforcement,
it's
just
gonna,
be
it's
I
mean
Ark
own,
not
just
ours,
but
every
city's
code
enforcement
division
is
just
overwhelmed
and
it's
a
very
reactive
state.
It's
the
key
can't
be
efficient.
F
You
can't
not
do
I
mean
I
can
only
imagine
the
frustrations
that
could
be
there
even
getting
one
call
a
day
by
the
time
you
get
out
there.
It's
gone
that
next
issue
comes
up
a
week
later,
code
forcement
gets
out
there
an
hour
later
and
they're
gone.
How
frustrating
is
that
as
a
homeowner
you're,
just
not
gonna
pick
up
the
phone,
we're
just
gonna
live
with
it.
You
are
being
deprived
of
your
quiet
enjoyment.
That's
just
not
fair.
Other
jurisdictions
have
banned
this
in
residential
zones.
It's
been
successful.
F
It's
working
I,
don't
see
why
we
shouldn't
make
that
recommendation,
whether
we're
tasked
with
it
or
not,
Commissioner
ruins
a
point.
We
can
make
that
recommendation
absolutely
and
it's
our
job
to
do
so.
Otherwise,
like
I,
said
I
think
we'd
be
careless
and
not
even
considering
having
discussion,
at
least
at
this
level
and
I'd
like
to
see
that
go
forward
and
finally,
like
the
ARB
did
direct
staff
to
look
into
alternatives.
F
Why
not
ask
staff
to
explore
and
report,
maybe
in
a
year
and
biannual
on
a
biannual
basis,
technological
advancements
in
this
area,
the
connection
reduce
options
that
don't
create
the
same
impacts.
So
perhaps
in
a
year
or
two
there's
some
new
piece
of
equipment
that
comes
out
from
the
wall.
That's
silent,
yes,
super
effective,
but
then
we
have
a
span
in
place.
Maybe
we
revisit
it
in
an
amend
at
that
point,
but
at
this
point
in
time
with
what
we
have
to
work
with,
it's
just
we're
chasing
I
mean
it's
a
moving
target.
F
D
That
a
step
further
and
tell
people
to
start
using
water
to
clean
their
to
clean
their
patios
and
to
clean
their
areas
with
as
well.
What
would
the
Commission
like
to
go
on
record
of
stating
to
use
water
to
do
that,
because
that
seems
to
be
what
the
ARB
report
talks
about,
which
is
that
leaf
blowers
became
prevalent
when
water
use
was
discouraged,
I
and
I
think
I
have
yet
to
see
any
evidence
from
any
from
any
body
that
demonstrates
that
electric
powered
on
leaf
blowers
are
not
as
noisy
as
gasoline-powered.
D
We
saw
some.
We
saw
some
discussion
of
that,
but
I
didn't
see
any
scientific
evidence
of
that,
and
it
certainly
wasn't
in
the
ARB
report
because
they
only
considered
two-stroke
and
four-stroke,
and
so
when
we
quickly
jumped
to
the
point
that
you
know
non
gasoline-powered
leaf.
Blowers
are
not
at
least
somewhat
more
quiet.
I
think
I
think
we're
doing
a
disservice
to
the
report.
D
That
was
here
and,
as
we
heard
from
the
gentleman
earlier,
who
obviously
would
prefer
a
total
ban
but
indicated
that
an
electric
only
type
of
scenario
in
residential
neighborhoods
would
make
would
be
an
improvement.
I
think
that's
25%
of
the
people
that
staff
canvassed
and
talked
to
25%
of
the
of
the
public
input
that
we
received
said
that
they'd
be
open
to
a
to
electric.
D
D
Let's
take
a
look
in
a
year
to
your
point
from
code
enforcement
and
see
if
the
see
if
the
complaints
have
diminished
and
then
we
know
we
did
something
if
they
haven't,
then
we
take
a
look
at
it
then,
and
hopefully,
by
that
time,
staff
will
be
able
to
to
do
some
of
this
further
research
and
report
back
to
us
on
what
some
additional
measures
might
be.
It
seems
like
we
can
make
incremental
legislation
that
tries
to
specifically
target
the
issues
that
have
been
presented
to
this
body.
B
B
And
what
I'm
leading
up
to
is
I,
don't
know
personally
any
homeowners
that
have
a
gas-powered
leaf,
blower
but
I
know
a
ton
of
them
that
have
electric
and
those
electrics
have
two
speeds
at
least
two
speeds
and
are
probably
20%
quieter
on
the
low
speed
and
high
speed,
and
they
are
quieter
than
the
gas.
So
it
seems
like
we're
talking
commercial
users
of
the
gas
blowers
more
than
we
are
the
homeowners
who
use
it
for
15
minutes,
because
I'd
be
hard-pressed
to
spend
20
minutes
blowing
my
yard.
A
There's
three
categories:
one
is
when
they
identify
a
specific
commercial
business
that
uses
them
there's
times
where
they're
not
talking
about
garden
maintenance,
but
they're,
talking
about
a
leaf,
blower
being
used
on
a
construction
site
to
blow
sawdust
and
stuff,
and
then
there's
something
else
and
there's
never
a
time
when
they
say
this
homeowner
is
using
their
their
personal
equipment
and
making
a
sound
so
I.
The
answer
is
I,
don't
know
since
that,
since
that
information
was
presented
the
last
time
this
this
was
at
Planning
Commission.
B
B
Licensing,
okay,
so
I,
guess
what
I'm
leading
up
to
it
seems
like.
We
really
aren't
trying
to
restrict
homeowners
use
of
electric
well
and
I.
Think
that
might
be
overstepping
what
needs
to
be
done
here,
but
we
certainly
are
looking
at
controlling
when
were
and
how
they're
used
by
commercial
businesses
were
maintaining
people's
yards
or
the
street,
and
one
of
the
problems
is
they're
blowing
the
leaves
into
the
street
and
those
leaves
are
either
hopefully
getting
picked
up
by
the
street
sweeper
or
they're
going
into
the
ocean.
So
there's
another
issue
that
even
consider
and.
A
Then
act
that
issue
in
and
of
itself
is
another
violation
of
city,
storm
water
quality
and
the
utilities
divisions,
environmental
programs.
They
are
another
enforcement
arm
in
the
city
and
they
will
receive
those
complaints
and
go
write
citations
for
that
specific
violation,
regardless
of
whether
they're
swept
and
in
the
street
or
blown
into
the
street.
B
D
D
F
F
Electric
or
gas
yeah,
we
could
debate
that
all
night
long.
So
it's
about
pollution
and
noise,
it's
about
air
pollution
and
noise
pollution,
so
we
address
noise
pollution
by
going
electric-
maybe
maybe
that's
the
alternative.
I,
don't
see
any
data
here.
That
really
shows
me.
You
know
the
hard
differences
between
the
two
but
I'll
roll
with
it.
So
why
don't
we
do
this?
F
And
you
know
if
we're
doing
ANSI
stickers
and
we're
50
feet
as
per
ante
from
from
the
source
we
limited,
we
put
in
language
that
says
no
case:
shall
the
equipment
rated
at
65
decibels,
operate
closer
than
50
feet
from
the
property
line
or
not
to
exceed
the
maximum
noise
levels
allowed
in
the
respective
zones?
That's
simple!
That
way.
We
can
still
allow
it
electric
or
gas
I
mean
let
it
be
about
we're.
Gonna
still
address
the
noise
issue.
The
air
quality
issue
I
think
it's
really
important.
Okay,
so
we
eliminate
the
gas
power.
F
F
B
Effective
I
think
Amy
mentioned
that
what
29
jurisdictions
out
of
how
many
hundreds
have
done
it
and
I'm
not
so
sure
that
our
work
in
that
great
I
haven't
seen
anything
in
here
that
says
everybody's
happy
with
it
I
mean
there's
no
quantifiable
information
that
we've
been
presented,
that
we
can
make
a
finding
on.
It's
all
somewhat
supposition,
well
other
than
the
the.
D
B
D
D
D
Not
waiting
for
you
to
do
something,
and
so
it's
very
much
of
and
it's
like
when
you're
vacuuming,
you
know
with
the
handheld
Dyson
vacuum
or
something
like
that
and
they
turn
it
on.
You
turn
it
off.
When
you
don't
you
need
to
blow
that
little
air,
it's
you
know
you
do
it
at
a
low
low
volume
of
air
it.
It
provides
that
homeowner
the
ability
to
maintain
their
property,
which
I
think
I
think
we
have
to
be
mindful
of
okay.
B
H
F
B
B
F
If
I
may
just
conclude
with
this,
I
I
think
that
if
we
are
going
to
make
the
recommendation
and
push
this
forward,
as
is
that
we
add
some
language
to
to
soften
it
a
bit,
this
is
a
recommendation
that
could
get
parsed
out
sliced
and
diced
or
supported
in
whole
by
council
I.
Think
we
need
to
really
consider
our
opportunity
here
and
put
something,
but
language
in
that
really
addresses
the
noise
at
the
at
the
property
lines.
Just
like
any
other
noise
making.
F
F
B
D
F
The
violators
in
you
know
violating
window
enforcement,
shows
out,
I
mean,
but
I
mean
it's
tiered.
You
you're
shooting
at
a
moving
target.
Otherwise
you
know
these
car
washers,
these
gardeners
all
of
them
so
that
all
we
need
is
a
sound
ordnance.
We
don't
think
we
have
a
sound
ordnance.
We
already
have
that
so
I'll
look.
F
B
F
C
Yeah
I
just
was
saying:
we've
got
a
lot
of
threads
going
on
in
here
and
I.
Think
that
there's
some
things
we're
considering
that
we
may
not
have
the
information
that
we
would
like.
Well,
the
information
would
like
I
thought,
at
least
I'd
say
at
least
to
my
mind,
maybe
four
things
that
we've
been
talking
about,
that
we
might
move
forward
on
just
to
kind
of
see
if
we
can
simplify
a
little
bit-
and
you
can
tell
me
I'm
all
wet
if
this
doesn't
match
what
you
guys
what's
on
people's
minds.
C
Well,
we
could
discuss
it
as
hours
like
that.
You
know
between
maybe
between
the
hours.
The
the
other
thing
would
be:
an
exemption
for
large
public
areas,
parks,
greens,
Ward's
things
like
that,
instead
of
just
giving
the
city
and
exemption
giving
everyone
in
the
exemption,
but
that
would
have
to
be
defined
and
I
think
they'd
have
to
go
back
to
staff.
They'd
have
to
define
what
those
areas
are.
C
Another
one
is
saying
that
in
residential
areas,
the
commercial
people
in
residential
areas
have
to
use
electric
and
the
other
one
would
be.
Those
were
things
directly
that
would
directly
apply
to
this
potential
ordinance
sentence
in
front
of
us.
The
other
thing
we
could
do
if
we
wished,
while
that
perhaps
while
staff
you
know
it
goes
back
and
looks
under
those
things,
we
could
send
a
recommendation
of
City
Council
that
they
actually
consider
a
ban
of
either
a
full
ban
or
a
ban
of
gas-powered
blowers
in
residential
areas.
Specifically.
C
G
G
Subject
any
device
to
our
noise,
ordinance
or
I'll
comment
current
North
organizing
exempt
to
maintenance
devices
such
as
a
lawn
mowers.
So
unless
you
take
that
out
of
the
two
otherwise
lawn
mower
is
no
noisy
as
a
deep
low
or
so
how
do
we
deal
with
that?
I?
Don't
see
it's
not
a
practical
to.
No
other
technology
is
not
there.
There
are
a
lot
of
things.
65
decibels,
the
other
source
when
we
say
it's
50
feet
from
the
leaf
mower
from
a
leaf
blower
last
sixty
five.
G
So
when
you
get
closer,
it's
definitely
louder
and
louder.
If
you
put
on
the
right
next
to
a
year,
is
super
LA
riots
like
airplane,
so
so
I
want
to
just
maintain
what
I
said
before
we
know.
We
already
have
a
time,
districting
restriction
here
we
add
a
little
restriction
to
the
duration
of
the
noise,
and
then
we
make
the
exempt
exemptions
to
the
city
or
city
city
high
or
the
employed
CIO
to
contractors
to
take
care
all
public
places
like
streets
or
parks.
G
Those
will
always
be
down
by
either
the
city
or
a
contractor
hired
by
the
city,
and
they
probably
have
a
license
to
do
that
too.
So,
that's
that's
nice
and
they
eventually,
oh
hey
I,
do
support
a
hood
of
aim,
but
it's
just
not.
The
direction
was
received
from
the
City
Council
I
personally,
don't
have
a
lawn
to
mow
I,
don't
I
rake
my
own
leaf.
If
any
I
pick
up
from
them
right
here,
so
I
don't
need
them.
G
D
You
another
comment
to
that
or
oh
no
I'm,
okay,
commissioner,
tally
well.
This
is
why
the
city
attorney
told
us
earlier
that
the
legislative
process
is
messy
and,
thank
goodness
we
just
get
to
deal
with
some
of
the
other
stuff.
Most
of
the
time
he
doesn't
have
to
indulge
us,
I
would
be
ready
to
make
a
motion
with
a
bunch
of
amendments.
If
the
chair
would
like
to
entertain
such.
D
What
we
do
yeah
so
okay,
so
I
will
make
a
resolution
or
I'll
make
a
motion
to
approve
resolution
number
PC,
one:
eight
zero:
two:
five:
a
resolution
of
the
Planning
Commission
of
city
of
San,
Clemente
California,
recommended
the
City
Council,
make
sequel
findings
and
for
a
city
initiated
an
amendment
of
the
city
of
San,
Clemente
municipal
code,
title
a
chapter.
8.4
eight
knows:
control
in
Chapter,
8.6,
4.1,
9-0,
leaf
blower
operation
with
they
multiple
amendments.
D
On
page
three
of
the
proposed
ordinance
and
again,
these
are
my
my
amendments
and
they
can
be
further
debated.
I
will
strike
the
language
with
the
exception
of
city
contractors,
performing
work
on
city
maintained
property,
so
the
it'll
start.
The
use
and
operation
of
leaf
blowers
and
and
I
do
realize.
I
need
to
go
back
to
the
definition,
but
I'll
I'll
go
back
there
in
a
moment.
D
D
For
me,
male
shall
still
be
subject
to
the
noise
restrictions
contained
in
chapter
in
sections:
8.4,
8.0,
5,
0
or
8.4
8.0
6
0
of
this
chapter,
which
I
believe
even
if
they
have
the
65
decibel
mark
on
there
still
will
subject
them
to
the
55
decibel
limit
at
the
property
line.
Is
that
the
correct
code
sections
for
that?
Okay
and
then
I
would
make
a
change
to
the
definition
of
leaf
blower,
which
is
I,
would
remove,
elect
I,
would
remove
fuel
comma
electricity
and
make
that
gasoline.
D
D
They
could
amend
the
amendment,
but
those
and
the
rationale
on
the
removing
the
city
contractors
is:
let's
city
council
put
that
back
in
if
they
want
to
do
that,
because
I
think
they
can
set
the
policy
better
if
they
want
to
exempt
city
personnel,
let
them
let
them
make
that
decision
because
they
talked
about
it
and
not
doing
it
and
I'm
not
comfortable
with
that.
So
that's
my
okay.
B
F
D
F
D
C
I
have
a
couple
comments
on
the
first
one.
Well,
I
agree
that
we
probably
want
to
change
exempting
the
city
to
be
talking
about
something
different,
I.
Think
that
the
reason
that's
in
there
is
a
good
reason.
You
know
we
don't
have.
We
don't
allow
the
stuff
in
certain
hours
in
residential
areas,
because
it
would
bother
people
when
they're
at
home
enjoying
themselves.
B
B
E
D
B
D
B
D
C
D
Right
now,
I'm
out
at
7
a.m.
that's
when
I'm
out
I'd
prefer
them
not
to
be
doing
it
at
something,
but
that's.
But
but
if
it's,
if
it's
the
noise
issue
that
we're
dealing
with
that's
close
to
the
residential,
which
is
all
of
the
comments
that
we've
received,
then
keep
the
residential
zones
intact.
So.
C
D
So
let
me
give
you
the
countervailing
point
to
this,
which
was
I
was
the
president
of
Forester
Highlands
Homes
Association,
which
had
650
homes.
We
had
a
couple
hundred
acres
of
common
area
that
we
had
to
maintain
and
all
of
the
sidewalks.
All
of
the
common
area
where
people
were
walking
would
not
be
able
to
have
that
cleaned
at
7
a.m.
with
a
leaf
blower
under
this
under
this
code,
which
is
the
exact
same
argument
that
should
be
making
for
the
beach
trail.
D
C
D
C
D
C
Homeowner
exemption
I
think
I'm
a
little
iffy,
but
yeah
I
can
I
can
live
with
that.
The
loss
is
10
minutes
the
operator
still
sups
the
noise
ordinance
or
noise
ordinances.
The
problem
is
I,
don't
know
that
that's
enforceable
now
you've
got
somebody
who
has
to
go
out
there
with
a
noise
meter.
At
some
point.
That's
no.
C
Because,
then
you
can
come
back
out,
it's
probably
still
playing
someone.
You
know
the
guys
might
be
gone
so
I,
you
know
if
it's
never,
if
we're,
never
gonna
be
able
to
enforce
it.
What's
the
point
you
know
not
that
I'm
not
saying
that
we
shouldn't
it
shouldn't
be
quieter,
but
if
we
can't
enforce
it
say
convinced
Commissioner
bless.
Oh
well,.
C
Have
to
be
convinced
that
that's
enforceable
and
so
far
I'm,
not
in
order
to
support
that
amendment.
The
other
one
was
the
change
in
definition
of
leaf,
blower
and
I.
Don't
see
much
reason
to
change
it
because,
even
though
electricity
might
be
better
than
fuel
powered,
if
an
electric
blower
is
you
know
over
65
decibels,
then
it
shouldn't
be
exempted.
B
I
D
G
D
B
C
B
G
G
D
You
you've
heard
that
the
intent
is
that
we
want
to
be
able
to
allow
city
staff
or
contractors
the
ability
to
use
their
leaf
blowers
kind
of
unrestricted
on
time
unless
they
are
within
200
feet
of
a
residential
property.
If
we
simply
eliminate
the
last
sentence
of
city,
maintain
property
shall
be
ex.
Trick'd
shall
be
exempt
for
no
restrictions
on
hours
of
operation
listed
above.
Does
that
do
that
or
could
they
still
operate
at
7:00
a.m.
within
200
feet
of
a
residential
property?
So
have
I
capsulated
the
question
properly
yeah.
A
Yeah
I
think
you
have
one
one
option
just
to
make
this
a
little
bit
easier
because
it
is,
it
is
tough
to
draft
legislation
on
the
fly
from
the
Dyess
is
to
is
to,
as
part
of
your
motion
include
the
language
that's
been
proposed,
which
I
think
works,
but
also
give
staff
the
the
leeway
to
draft
language.
That's
in
line
with
the
direction
that
we
have
received.
I
think
that
staff
at
this
point
understands
where
at
least
Commissioner
Talley
is
going
there's
no
second.
A
D
C
D
E
D
The
intent
portion
three
paragraph
element-
I,
am
adding
specific
language,
which
is
homeowners
of
single-family
residences,
shall
be
exempt
from
this
section
if
the
leafblower
is
electric
and
used
for
less
than
ten
minutes
in
duration
and
on
paragraph
three
adding
the
sentence
at
the
end,
which
is
that
the
use
in
operation
of
a
leaf
blower
must
comply
with
the
provisions
of
sections
8.4,
8.0,
5,
0
or
8.4
8.0
6
0
of
this
chapter,
which
is
the
noise
restrictions.
The
current
one.
A
B
G
B
C
B
D
F
F
F
D
D
D
H
B
J
A
A
J
J
The
project
site
is
surrounded
by
commercial
uses
to
the
north,
south
and
west,
and
a
parking
lot
used
to
the
east.
There's
a
recorded
lotta
agreement
between
the
subject
site
and
the
parking
lot
located
to
the
east
of
the
site.
The
project
site
is
developed
as
a
four
unit.
Commercial
building
and
the
proposed
applicant
application
is
for
only
one
of
the
tenant
spaces,
as
seen
in
red
I
have
a
I
think
I
can
use
my
mouse.
Okay.
J
J
J
The
zoning
ordinance
defines
a
convenience
store
as
any
retail
establishment,
where
the
primary
primary
activity
is
the
display,
storage,
and/or,
sale
of
convenience
items,
including,
but
not
limited
to
prepackaged
foods,
beverages
and
household
goods,
automated
automotive
related
related
items
or
other
items
determined
similar
in
nature.
Here
the
applicant
proposes
a
retail
establishment
where
approximately
70%
of
the
retail
space
is
dedicated
to
the
display
and
sale
of
prepackaged
foods
and
beverages.
J
The
remaining
30%
of
sale
floor
area
would
be
dedicated
to
specialty
Brazilian
specialty
items
such
as
sports
paraphernalia
musical
instruments,
as
well
as
Beach
products,
beach
related
products.
The
applicant
does
not
propose
any
alcohol
on-site
or
any
outdoor
display
of
items
should
the
applicant
want
to
propose
alcohol
sales
or
outdoor
display
at
a
future
point
in
time.
An
amendment
to
the
conditional
use
permit
would
be
required.
J
J
The
proposed
project
meets
the
required
findings
is
outlined
in
the
draft
resolution
attachment
1.
The
project
supports
general
plan
policies
is
consistent
with
surrounding
development
in
the
area
and
meets
development
standards
for
the
zone
staff
recommends
the
Planning
Commission
approve.
This
request
to
the
subject
to
the
conditions
of
approval,
contained
The
Associated
resolution
and
find
the
project
is
exempt
from
sequa.
J
J
G
Week,
yes,
question
by
the
parking,
when
you
say
the
proposed
for
the
project
and
meet
the
parking
requirements.
I
understand
that
this
proposed
new
use
has
a
same
parking
requirement
as
though
or
the
previous
war.
The
conclusion
is
that
it's
not
going
to
add
more
parking
to
the
project
site
but
saying
that
the
probably
means
the
parking
requirement
and
that's
that's
a
different
statement
when
we
change
a
store.
This
is
a
four-story
lot,
they're,
tighter,
together
with
a
share
of
parking
right.
G
G
J
Poor,
a
non-conforming
section
of
the
code
when
a
change
of
use
occurs
to
a
use,
that's
allowed
under
that
zoning.
If
it's
a
change
of
use
and
there's
no
intensification
of
parking,
it's
not
required
to
supply
additional
parking
and
that's
Section
17
point.
Seventy
two
point:
oh
six.
Okay,
see
point
two
point:
eight
okay,.
G
G
D
I
think
that's
good
that
we're
allowing
that
that
exemption
there.
Otherwise
you
could
really
prevent
businesses
from
from
being
able
to
to
come
in
or
make
it
very
onerous
for
them.
Has
the
applicant
read
all
of
the
conditions
of
approval
on
this
yeah?
Are
you?
Are
you,
okay,
with
all
of
those
conditions
and
and
the
one
thing
that
I
would
I
think
the
picture
here
and
I
think
the
question
of
Commissioner
Wu
was,
or
maybe
it
was,
the
Chairman
that
was
asking
about
was
the
the
window
stickers
for
signage?
Those
are
controlled.
D
G
D
J
Triggered
by
the
definition
of
a
convenience
store,
which
is
in
our
definition,
section
of
the
code
which
you
will
find
in
your
staff
report
and
that's
the
portion
that
discusses
the
retail
establishment,
where
the
primary
use
of
sale,
storage
or
display
is
pre,
packaged
foods,
beverages,
household
goods,
automotive,
related
items
or
other
items
similar
in
nature.
And
so
the
applicants
request
for
this.
Retail
space
is
70%
of
the
floor
area.
The
sale
area
would
be
prepackaged
foods
and
beverages
only.
G
C
B
D
Emotional
make
a
motion
resolution
number
PC,
1,
9,
0,
0
3,
a
resolution
of
the
Planning
Commission
of
the
city
of
San,
Clemente
California,
proven
conditional
use
permits
EOP,
185
740.
Our
Brazil
convenience
store
a
request
to
operate
a
convenience
store
in
an
existing
commercial
building
located
at
7:09
North
El
Camino
Real.
The.
A
Week
here
and
she
is
one
of
the
superstars
of
our
planning
team
she
has,
and
so
we
wish
her
well
in
her
next
endeavors
and
I
just
want
to
let
the
planning
commission
know
that,
because
some
of
you
are
have
seen
her
presentations
at
DRC
as
well,
the
Planning
Commission
and
she
will
be
missed
now.
Were
you
going
back
to
school
work?
I
have.
D
D
B
K
K
K
This
is
a
three
unit
condominium
proposal
on
a
vacant
lot,
that's
within
our
residential
medium
zone
and
within
the
coastal
zone
overlay.
The
project
is
required
to
pursue
a
cultural
heritage
permit
because
it
is
within
300
feet
of
a
property
that
is
on
the
city's
historic
list
of
resources.
There
are
actually
three
structures
that
are
within
that
radius.
The
project
site
includes
two
attached
units
on
the
La
Paloma
frontage,
one
detached
unit
on
the
West
marquita
frontage.
K
The
proposed
subdivision
meets
the
density
allowance
for
the
residential
medium
zone
and
provides
all
required
off
street
parking.
The
project
will
not
have
negative,
visual
or
physical
impacts
on
the
historic
resources.
It
was
reviewed
by
our
design
review
subcommittee,
which
also
acts
as
our
cultural
heritage
subcommittee.
The
scale
mast,
form
and
setbacks
and
materials
are
compatible
with
adjacent
structures
and
in
character.
With
the
pattern
of
development
in
the
neighborhood,
you
can
see
from
your
staff
reports,
there's
illustrations
of
the
context
of
the
site
of
the
vacant
lot
and
the
existing
structures
on
either
side.
K
So
it
is
staffs
recommendation
that
you
find
or
that
you
determined
that
this
project
is
categorically
exempt
from
sequa
specific.
These
sections
15
3,
0,
3
and
15
3
1
5,
and
adopt
resolution
PC
1900
for
approving
cultural
heritage,
permit
1805,
1
and
tentative
parcel
map,
1808
1
for
the
La
Paloma
tribe,
like
subject
to
the
attached
conditions
of
approval.
That
concludes
staff
report,
but
I
am
of
course
available
for
questions.
G
K
Yes,
so
we
didn't
revisit
that
so
there's
a
couple
of
things
that
play
one
is
that
the
application
was
modified
after
design
review.
Previously
there
were
seven
covered
parking
spaces,
provided
there
are
now
eight,
so
the
Marquita
elevation
has
both
a
two-car
garage
and
a
carport.
You
can't
see
the
carport
in
this
rendering
for
the
elevation,
but
you
can
see
from
the
plans
that
that's
incorporated
to
the
right
of
that
garage
space
that
there
is
a
an
additional
covered
parking
spot
where
the
triangle
is
so
we
an
additional
parking
spot
has
been
provided.
K
Also
that
discussion
has
occurred
and
you
were
correct
through
Design
Review,
that
the
den
would
meet
the
zoning
code
definition
of
a
bedroom,
and
there
is
on
the
site
plan
now
you'll
see
that
there
is
a
space
labeled
as
a
family
room,
but
that
wall,
that
extends
is
only
50%
of
the
distance.
And
so,
if
50%
is
open,
it's
not
considered
a
bedroom,
so
it
does
meet
our
zoning
code
definition
to
qualify
as
a
room
other
than
a
bedroom.
In
this
case
a
family
room.
D
D
Know
that
I
and
again
this
is
you
know
what
I
read
in
the
news
right
now
does
any
that
I
received
in
this
capacity
here,
but
that
new
construction
have
solar
and
I
believe
it
either
starts
next
year
of
the
year
thereafter
mm
so
so
2020.
So
my
concern
is:
where
would
that
be
placed
on
on
these
types
of
structures
and
would
that
even
be
applicable
because
that
obviously
plays
into
the
rooftop
deck
in
and
such
maybe
maybe
one
of
my
fellow
commissioners
has
more
knowledge
on
that.
Don't
you
if.
B
It's
going
to
be
required,
building
will
require
and
modifications
may
have
to
be
made
to
get
the
quantity
of
panels
up
there,
but
I
do
not
believe
it's
in
he's
already
in
the
permit
process.
So
I
don't
know
if
he
would
be
grandfathered
and
even
if
it
started
now,
since
he's
expended
this
Malkin
probably
addressed
this
better,
but
he's
made
an
investment
in
it
and
in
the
process.
So
if
a
new
code
came
in
at
this
point,
he's
applies
the
code
that
he
applied
under
it.
A
Depends
on
the
type
of
code,
if
it's
a
state
code,
if
it's
a
life
safety
code,
that's
going
to
apply
to
him
if
it
was
a
local
code,
it
wouldn't
apply
to
him
once
once
he's
pulled.
Permison
begins
work
on
his
project.
It
wouldn't
apply,
but
again,
life
safety
issues
at
the
state
level
are
going
to
apply.
Solar
is
not
a
life
safety
issue.
I
doubt
that
would
apply
to
him
actively.
G
Comes
in
this
is
a
California
new
Green
Building
Code
requirement
kicking
that
the
very
beginning
of
2020.
Each
building
is
required
to
have
a
solo
soil
pad
photovoltaic
panel
on
the
rooftop.
So
if
the
applicant
receive
a
building
permit
next
year,
then
you
would
have
to
incorporate
out
into
the
system,
but
a
solar
panel
design
installation
is
mostly
is
exempt
from
local
jurisdictions.
C
A
B
B
C
I
mean
I
gave
a
lot
of
comments
and
design
reviews.
I
didn't
want
to
clear
the
applicant
by
repeating
myself,
but
if
there's
no
other
comments,
I
will
move
that
we
adopt
resolution
number
PC,
19-0
0-4
resolution,
the
Planning
Commission
of
the
city
of
San,
Clemente
California,
approving
cultural
heritage;
permit
18-0
five,
one
in
tentative
parcel
map
2018
one
one:
eight
PLN,
18-0,
eight
one
la
paloma,
triplex
our
request:
a
request
to
construct
three
new
residences
on
a
vacant
block
within
300
feet
of
historic
properties
located
at
two
or
three
La
Paloma.
D
B
L
From
mic
right
here:
okay
and
clean
up
tonight,
alright,
so
yes,
we
have
two
presentations.
The
first
one
will
do
the
downtown
study
and
then
second
item
will
be
the
the
North
Beach
study.
So
you'll
recall
that
we
had
a
study
session
in
December
kind
of
gave.
You
the
highlights
so
tonight,
we'll
we'll
refresh
a
little
bit
on
that
quickly
and
then
get
to
the
recommendations
and
things
that
we
added
that
the
Commission
discussed
at
the
study
session.
L
D
L
Introductions,
Kyle
Kyle
Weber,
couldn't
make
it
here
tonight.
He
was
kind
of
the
lead
on
the
downtown
study,
so
just
recognize
his
work.
Michael
loco
was
also
worked
on
the
downtown
study
who's
here
tonight.
Chris
right
also
did
a
lot
of
work.
Helping
us
with
this.
Chris
was
here.
You
know
he's
been
here
a
long
time
and
he
worked
on
the
previous
studies
and
was
a
great
help
and
then
I
kind
of
oversaw
the
team
and
and
helped
us
get
to
this
point.
So
the
downtown
study.
This
is
the
location
map.
L
You
can
see
that
that
we
break
up
the
area
into
blocks
and
1
through
10.
There
are
12
and
there's
a
number
of
different
Lots,
but
I
have
another
slide
later
that
we
can
talk
about
what
slots
are
private,
which
ones
are
public,
that's
kind
of
how
we
break
it
down
the
different
blocks
for
both
on-street
and
off-street.
L
So
we've
conducted
parking
study
since
1995
that
the
first
one
was
the
IDI
study
and
then
we've
done
counts
more
recently
from
2002
to
last
year
in
2018,
the
2002
through
2010
studies,
were
done
with
the
Walker
parking
consultants
and
then
we
we
kind
of
discovered,
as
as
you
know,
and
we
talked
about
the
study
session,
that
we
could
kind
of
replicate
that
with
planning
interns.
So
the
last
three
cycles
we've
done
the
work
with
with
planning
interns,
just
kind
of
replicating
what
the
Walker
studies
did
so
the
process.
L
Typically
in
the
last
week
of
July
or
the
first
week
of
August,
the
counts
are
conducted
from
9:00
a.m.
to
9:00
9:00
p.m.
on
for
days.
We
do
Saturday
and
Sunday
and
to
weekdays,
and
we
get
some
a
lot
of
data,
so
in
general,
just
the
general
takeaways,
the
last
two
studies
that
counts
are
higher
compared
to
previous
studies
in
downtown.
L
Although
I
would
say
with
this
recent
study,
we've
kind
of
plateaued
on
total
occupancy
and
percent
of
spaces
occupied,
and
there
continues
to
be
a
sufficient
number
of
parking,
both
public
and
private,
on
Austrian
on
Street
for
downtown.
If
you
look
across
the
board,
the
occupancies
don't
reach
the
the
thresholds
that
we'll
talk
about
in
a
second
and
generally,
there
are
two
peaks:
some
are
occupancies
1
p.m.
and
7
p.m.
usually
on
the
weekend.
L
So
the
parking
industry
regards
an
occupancy
rate
of
85
percent
for
on
Street
you
90
percent
for
off
street
as
the
maximum
effective
capacity.
That's
what
was
in
the
previous
Walker
Parker
Park
parking
consultants
studies.
We
did
additional
research
looked
at
other
jurisdictions
as
I
think
we
mentioned.
In
the
study
session,
we
looked
at
Dana,
Point
and
Carlsbad's
recent
studies.
They
rely
on
the
same
thresholds.
It's
what
everybody
uses
in
parking
studies,
I
believe
that
was
referenced
in
the
target
item
that
here
last
month
they
had
the
same
thresholds
and
park.
L
You
occupancy
rates
above
this
threshold
start
to
impact
traffic
flow
drivers
circle
around
looking
for
parking
spaces.
So
key
observations
summarized
in
the
staff
report.
The
overall
peak
occurred
on
Thursday
at
1:00
p.m.
and
also
Sunday
at
1:00
p.m.
there
are
both
at
68%.
That's
for
the
entire
system,
though
Thursday
at
1:00
p.m.
was
a
three
percent
decrease
from
2016,
and
the
Sunday
at
1:00
p.m.
L
L
So
there's
still
plenty
of
parking
available
in
the
private
Lots
and
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
as
we
talked
about
before
so
I
can
slow
down
and
describe
a
little
bit
more
on
what's
going
on
in
the
map,
but
this
is
showing
the
full
occupancy
at
that
Thursday
at
1:00
p.m.
and
here
we
go.
I
can
have
my
pointer
over
here
on
this
side,
so
the
different
thresholds.
You
actually
change
the
colors.
Since
the
study
session.
L
L
You
still
had
private
parking
available
and
then
some
of
the
side
Lots
as
well
and
the
the
library
wall
was
not
completely
full
down
here
at
the
library,
so
we're
still
parking
available
there.
And
this
is
at
the
peak
time
right
so
and
then,
if
we
look
at
Sunday
at
one
o'clock,
the
difference
between
Thursday
and
Sunday,
you
can
see
they're
looking
at
these
lots
that
the
public
lots
are
all
red.
L
So
you
can
see
that
on
the
weekend,
people
are
really
using
those
public
Lots,
so
they're
highly
occupied
and
Delmar's
sort
of
full
full
of
on-street.
But
the
private
lots
are
still
there's
still
plenty
of
parking
available
in
the
private
Lots,
even
the
bridal
lot,
next
to
the
one
at
the
library,
other
private
Lots
on
adjacent
streets,
there's
still
plenty
of
parking
available
and
there's
parking
available
up
at
the
church,
even
on
Sunday
right.
So
there's
there's
still
plenty
of
parking
available
in
the
system
you'd
see
in
the
in
the
study
itself.
L
We
did
a
breakdown
of
actually
looking
into
these
specific
areas,
even
closer
and
sort
of
analyzing,
where
the
there's
available
parking
there.
But
you
can
see
here,
as
we
show
on
the
slide
in
this
case,
at
this
time
on
Sunday,
even
on
Sunday.
At
the
peak
time,
at
one
o'clock,
you
still
have
private
Lots
at
only
46%,
so
there's
still
a
lot
of
availability
in
the
private
Lots
and
then
the
the
graphs
sometimes
help
people
see
you
better.
L
So
the
wheel
on
the
left
is
showing
you,
the
entire
volume
of
parking
in
downtown
broken
down
by
on
street
in
blue
public
off
street
in
red,
which
is
a
pretty
small
percentage,
and
then
private
off
street
in
grey
either
you
can
see,
is
about
50
percent
in
the
volume.
So
it's
a
lot
there's
a
lot
of
private
spaces,
and
so
it's
alarming
to
see
those
maps
that
we
just
looked
at
and
see
that
that
public
off
street
is
really
heavily
used
on
the
weekend.
L
But
it's
only
17
percent
of
what's
out
there
and
there's
a
whole
lot
of
other
parking.
That's
available
that
we
that
we
know
is
out
there
and
you
can
see
that
on
the
right
with
the
private
off
street,
where
it's
only
about
half
occupied
at
that
time
on
Thursday
at
one
o'clock
right.
So
that's
kind
of
like
what
we
drill
into
with
the
findings.
And
so
then
we
start
talking
in
the
study
about
where
there's
opportunities
and
this
map
really
kind
of
shows
it.
L
We
we
kind
of
can,
but
we
can
drill
into
the
Lots
where
it's
40%
or
well
the
areas
along
the
street
where
it's
40%
of
below
and
then
the
off
street,
where
it's
40%
of
below
in
this
Thursday
at
one
o'clock
time.
The
same
time
we're
looking
at
and
you
can
see
as
I
mentioned,
you
got
the
hotel
up
along
Australia.
It
got
the
church
parking
lot.
You've
got.
L
You
still
have
available
street
parking
in
in
different
areas,
so
there's
still
opportunities
out
there
in
the
the
previous
recommendations
to
continue
to
pursue
converting
private
Lots,
the
public
is
still
a
good
recommendation
and
it's
something
that
we
can
continue
to
look
at
and
and
it
should
still
be
effective
to
help
address
parking
so
and
another
thing
that
that
came
out
in
the
study
session.
That
I
remember,
commissioner
Blackwell
was
asking
for
was
kind
of
look
at
the
other
parking
studies
that
are
out
there.
L
L
It
does
kind
of
use
some
of
the
things
that
are
already
referenced
in
the
recommendations,
but
then
it
takes
maybe
a
step
further
or
gives
a
different
spin
on
them,
but
it
talks
about
doing
a
lease
program
to
make
the
private
parking
available.
That's
what
majority
of
the
recommendations
are?
We
do
recommend
updating
the
wayfinding
signage.
We
saw
inconsistent
signage
out
there
during
the
during
the
study.
There
are
some
lots
that
have
the
city
signage,
some
that
don't
really
have
it.
People
are
confused
as
to
which
Lots
are
available
for
different
types
of
parking.
L
L
I,
don't
know
it's
something
that
we
need
to
study
right,
the
second,
but
it's
something
that
that
we
should
think
about,
especially
as
chairman
Crandall
was
mentioning
with
mixed
use
coming
in
thinking
about
how
do
we
have
drop-off
and
pickup
zones
that
people
are
living
down
there?
Things
like
that
time
limits
an
overnight
parking.
These
are
things
that
have
come
up
before.
We
could
look
at
it
more
comprehensively
if,
if
we
were
well
I'll
get
to
that
when
talk
about
recommendations,
but
those
are
other
things
we
can
consider.
There's
lots
of
new
parking
technology.
L
I,
think
that
was
something
that
a
couple
of
Commissioners
mentioned
in
the
study
session.
Different
types
of
parking
meters
out
there,
there's
apps,
so
people
can
find
out
where
their
parking
spots
are
all
those
types
of
things.
These
are
things
we
could
look
at
in
the
future
and
then
a
member
Commissioner
will
bring
up
the
in
lieu
fee
program.
We
mentioned
that
in
here,
other
cities
do
have
in
lieu
fee
programs
that
they
implemented
Dana
Point
implemented
one
with
their
recent
parking
study
that
they're
doing
you
can
do
it
based
on
the
space.
L
A
lot
of
them
are
carried
over
from
previous
studies,
which
is
what's
been
happening
with
the
studies
in
the
last
couple
cycles,
but
they
still
make
sense,
they're
still
valid
that
we
should
investigate
leasing
the
excess
capacity
of
those
private
Lots
for
public
use
throughout
the
area.
We
I
think
there's
specific
ones
that
make
a
lot
of
sense.
I,
think
the
church
parking
lots,
a
really
good
one.
L
There
are
some
other
ones.
I
have
some
backup
slides
if
we
want
to
get
into
that
and
I
know
that's
been
discussed
before
and
continue
enforcement
of
the
posted
parking
regulations.
That's
something
that
we
always
recommend
doing
it's
good
to
have
the
parking
turnover
and
consider
reduction
in
the
two
hour
time
lines.
It's
90
minutes,
that's
been
in
recommendations
for
a
long
time.
L
Another
one
that
I
know
the
downtown
business
association
is
interested
in
is
is
making
sure
we're
directing
employee
parking
to
specific
Lots
and
then,
of
course,
also
as
potential
new
lots
is
that
become
available.
We
should
be
proactive
when
we
start
converting
more
of
these
Lots,
if
possible.
Over
time,
we
should
be
reaching
out
to
the
employees
that
the
businesses,
and
so
they
they
know
where
their
employees
should
Park
and
that's
one
of
the
recommendations,
another
one
that
I
think
Commissioner
Blackwell
brought
up
was
looking
more
at
active
transportation.
That's
another!
L
That's
a
new
sort
of
a
new
thing.
We
added
in
the
recommendations
that
aligns
well
with
the
city's
bike
and
ped
master
plan,
which
already
calls
for
a
lot
of
the
same
things.
So
we
kind
of
looked
to
that
and
and
brought
some
language
in
here
that
recommends
moving
forward
on
those.
That's
something
I
think
the
city
will
already
be
planning
to
do
eventually
or
in
in
the
CIP
as
there's
projects,
but
it's
something
we
could
look
at
and
then
really
to
bring.
All
this
together.
L
I
think
is
why
we
have,
in
the
general
plan,
the
implementation
measure
to
do
a
comprehensive
parking
and
circulation
strategy
for
the
key
commercial
areas,
that
del
Marty's
on
being
one
of
them,
North,
Beach
being
another
which
we'll
talk
about
later
I.
Think
a
lot
of
these
things,
both
the
opportunities
and
the
recommendations
could
be
looked
at
further
in
that,
if
we
get
direction
to
do
that
implementation
measure
and
that
that
would
be
a
sort
of
a
bigger
project
that
could
look
at
everything.
L
We
had
the
trolley
running
right,
which
I
didn't
mention
in
my
presentation,
but
the
the
trolley
is
bringing
more
and
more
people
in
and
out
of
the
area,
and
yet
that's
when
we
tend
to
have
the
highest
occupancy
of
parking
as
well.
The
parking
tends
to
be
less
occupied
in
the
winter.
Okay,
we
have
fewer
people
from
out
of
town
here
and
I
would
think.
The
vacation
rental
folks
could
tell
you
that
their
vacation
rentals
aren't
as
used
in
the
winter
as
well,
compared
to
the
summer
months,
when
we
have
a
higher.
G
L
G
Day
the
downtown
business
association
and
the
city
used
to
have
parking
meters
there
and
then,
upon
their
request,
the
city
removed
the
parking
meters,
have
you
or
any
any
other
staff
member
who
is
an
agent
with
the
downtown
business
association
and
talked
to
them
about
that?
Do
they
have
any
interest
to
have
a
parking
district.
G
A
G
G
Author
call
a
leasing
these
in
private,
a
parking
lots
around
the
downtown
the
t-zone
area.
The
city
started
that
quite
a
while
ago
and
it's
being
effective
but
I
assume
that
at
the
certain
point
it
will
stop
being
infective,
because
I
also
heard
some
business
owners
saying
they
very
interesting.
Easing
the
parking
lot
to
the
city
for
public
parking,
but
they
want
I,
think
that's.
You
told
me
that
they
want
to
keep
the
space
for
them.
G
L
Commissioner
I'd
see,
there's
different
I
mean
there's
different
options
out
there
there's
there's
times,
especially
now
that
the
the
I
mean,
as
the
Commission
knows,
the
downtown's
kind
of
changed
somewhat
and
there's
there's
probably
more
restaurants
there
now
that
maybe
than
there's
ever
been
before,
and
so
the
demand
for
when
employee
parking
is
needed
may
be
different
now
than
what
it
used
to
be.
Even
when
we
did
the
first
study.
So
that's
something
we
could.
We
could
talk
to
the
business
owners
about
and
talk
to
them
about
their
Lots
I.
L
G
C
Sure
ruin
Thanks,
then
question
I
have
was
I,
noticed
we're
looking
at
the
report
that
there
was
some
concern
about.
You
know
that
we're
not
really
giving
out
parking
way.
You
don't
want
to
get
out
too
many
parking
waivers
anymore
and
at
the
same
time,
we'd
like
to
take
some
of
that
private
parking
area
and,
if
possible,
converted
to
public
parking
or
use
it
for
public
parking.
C
Has
there
been
any
thought
about
maybe
using
parking
waivers
as
a
way
to
convert
some
of
that
so
say
someone
Scott,
you
know,
do
a
do
a
one
for
to
you
give
up
one
parking
spot
that
becomes
a
public
parking
spot
and
you
get
two
waivers
for
your
business,
especially
for
businesses
that,
like
they've,
only
got
four
spots
say,
but
they
need
eight.
Maybe
they
could
work
out
a
deal
and
now
that's
all
public
yeah.
L
C
Yeah
that
we
can
use
it,
you
know
we're
using
it
as
leverage
so
and
then
it
could
help
them
to
so
they
don't
have
to
go
out
and
do
extra
parking
agreements
and
kind
of
everybody
wins
regard
the
DBA.
They
said
that
they
felt
that
parking
was
inadequate.
Do
we
know
what
they
mean
by
inadequate
today,
I
mean:
is
that
just
a
very
kind
of
amorphous,
objective
sort
of
thing
to
them,
or
they
have
like
there's
these
many
cars
and
I?
Don't.
L
Have
specifics
on
that?
That's
something
that's
been
conveyed
to
me.
I
seen
your
planner
Stephanie
Rojas
has
attended
some
of
their
meetings
and
receive
feedback.
We
do
as
city
planner
Gabriel
mentioned.
We
plan
to
go
to
the
DBA
and
have
a
more
in-depth
discussion
with
them
and
get
that
feedback,
but
that
is
something
we've
heard
so
we'll
be
wanting
to
get
their
input.
It.
C
Would
be
good
to
know
that
for
for
our
purposes,
because
we
over
the
years
we've
heard
that
a
lot
you
know
the
DBA
or
the
downtown
businesses
feel
like
there's
not
enough
parking,
not
enough
parking.
We
see
these
surveys,
which
says
well,
actually
most
the
time
there
is
does
seem
to
be
enough
mark.
So
what
is
there?
You
know?
How
are
they?
C
D
Several
things
I
was,
with
my
wife,
the
other
day
driving
to
try
to
find
a
parking
spot
downtown
and
we
were
not
being
as
successful
as
I
would
have
liked
and
I
looked
at
the
time,
and
it
was
one
o'clock
and
I
said
yes,
this
is
the
busiest
time
of
the
day
to
find
a
parking
spot.
I
think
it
was
on
a
Thursday.
Actually,
so
I
was
able
to
reference
that
bit
of
information.
I
learned,
so
thank
you
for
making
me
look
good
to
my
wife.
D
I
just
want
an
echo
Commissioner
Woo's
statement
about
the
parking
meters
I.
You
know
traditionally,
when
I
hear
parking
meters,
I,
think
of
you're
trying
to
generate
revenue
for
for
the
repairs
and
a
maintenance
of
those
areas.
I
think
in
this
case,
you're
really
trying
to
generate
turnover
and
then
you're
trying
to
make
it
easy
to
enforce
that
turnover
and
I.
Think
with
today's
technology.
Parking
meters
are
really
easy
to
use,
whereas
it's
you
know
it
used
to
be
you're.
D
Looking
for
quarters
now,
you
can
either
use
you
know,
contactless
type
payments
or
a
credit
card
or
something
along
there,
and
it
makes
it
really
easy
for
enforcement.
So
you
can
help
spur
that
turnover,
because
I
think
I
think
that's
how
you
create
more
perceived
versions
of
parking
is
when
you
do
make
that
second
trip
down
Del
Mar,
you
find
a
spot,
that's
because
I
can
see
why
the
Business
Association
or
the
downtown
business
association
talks
about
this
kind
of
qualitative.
D
It's
just
it's
difficult
to
find
in
a
quick
turn
down:
Del
Mar,
even
a
couple
of
the
streets
over
and
I,
also
really
like
your
idea
about
the
converting
a
private
space
to
a
public
space
in
lieu
of
in
lieu
of
having
that
I
saw
you
had
on
here
in
Luffy's
development
I'm,
never
a
big
fan
of
that,
because
the
money
usually
just
sits
in
an
account
and
it
doesn't,
it
doesn't
actually
get
spent
for
the
things
that
it's
supposed
to
get
spent
for.
You
know
we'll
take
parking
money
and
spend
it
on.
D
You
know,
bike
paths
or
something
along
those
lines,
but
taking
something
that
we
have
a
public
policy
and
a
public
interest
in
and
being
able
to
convert
that
immediately
and
give
a
tangible
benefit
to
the
to
the
owner.
For
you
know,
I
think,
that's
that's
a
great
idea.
Yeah
I
mean
that's
that
that's
exciting
to
think
about,
so
maybe
there's
a
way
that
that
can
get
worked
up
sooner
rather
than
later.
I
mean
I.
Think
yeah.
L
D
L
Well,
the
the
opportunities
that
are
just
listing
things
that
we
think
we
could
consider
so
I
think
that's
a
good
suggestion
for
the
opportunities
and
then,
if
there
that's
something
that
council
wants
to
provide
more
direction
on
they'll
be
all
they
see
it
in
the
study.
So
it's
something
we
can
add
to
the
study
before
we
go
to
the
City
Council
this
time.
Well,.
C
Actually
could
I
make
one
more
comment.
They
haven't
said
questions
I,
didn't
wanna,
make
comment
about
that
85%,
occupancy
rate
and
I
think
the
way,
sometimes
that's
characterized
is
like
max
effective
capacity
and
I,
there's
sort
of
an
impression
that
we
should,
you
know,
keep
it
under
85
percent,
the
lower
the
better
kind
of
a
thing,
and
over
the
years
on
this
commission
I've
learned
a
lot
more
about
parking
than
I
did
when
I
started,
but
it
to
me
that
that
sounds
that's
actually
kind
of
an
inflection
point.
C
C
There's
there's
a
little
fewer
less
spots
in
that
sort
of
immediate
moment,
but
the
lower
we
get
on
that
the
less
good
land
use
we're
doing
we're
dedicating
this
land
to
you
know
empty
land,
really
just
storing
something
that
doesn't
need
to
be
stored
versus
having
it
be
dedicated
to
retail
space
or
a
restaurant
space.
So
people
can
make
some
more
money
and
people
are
struggling.
You
know
to
come
up
with
a
parking
as
it
is
the
spots
that
it
is
so
I'd
like
to
see
us
kind
of
look
at.
C
That
is
not
a
bad
thing
that
85%,
but
in
fact
that
target
is
really
good
and,
as
we
come
in
a
little
higher
a
little
lower,
we
have
problems
either
way.
It's
just
a
little
bit
different
problems
and
and
trying
to
maximize
our
idea
of
good
land
use
by
saying
85%
is
good.
If
we're
coming
in
at
less
than
85%.
A
real
question
is
not
how
do
we
keep
it
there
for
convenience?
But
how
do
we
actually
utilize
that
land
better?
They
don't
want
to
rely
on
a
general
pattern
so
and.
G
Yeah
curry
Commissioner
Rudy's,
the
cluvin
about
the
85
or
90
percent
of
our
parking
occupancy
rate,
that
a
is
a
target.
Yeah
someone
wrote
a
book,
a
700
page
thick
book
by
a
professor
studying
parking
alone
and
that's
anomaly
proposed
and
how
to
achieve
there
by
by
by
market
by
charging
them
the
fee.
So
using
the
price
to
change
the
demand
to
a
lot
of
pointer,
reaches
85
or
90
percent,
and
also
feed
all
off
street
a
lot
so
that
that's
the
optimum
rate.
G
That
means
that
the
parking
laws
are
efficient
efficiently
use,
so
generator
enough.
You
name,
the
revenue
can
be
put
back
to
the
street
or
the
district
of
that.
Another
thing
I
like
to
mention
to
car
is
based
on
the
discussion
and
deliberation
of
the
project.
In
the
past
a
few
years
I
made
some
observations
that
I
have
a
two
more
additional
recommendation
to
you.
Regarding
the
Kerbal
management,
there
was
a
project
in
downtown
zone
with
a
proposed
dry,
cleaner,
it's
sits
at
the
corner.
G
There
are
two
to
curb
cuts
on
Wall
Street
and
a
third,
a
curb
cut
on
the
ADI
and,
at
the
time,
I
recommended
to
remove
one
curb
cut,
because
that's
not
really
needed.
I
think
that's
something
that
can
be
incorporating
our
when
we
review
our
red
lines.
Do
we
really
need
that
same
thing
for
the
curb
cut?
If
there's
extra
curb
cut,
and
we
don't
really
need
them,
the
city
can
remove
them
or
the
condition
or
the
city
can
pay
for
it.
G
Now
we
can
reduce
the
just
disruption
to
public
pedestrian
activities
in
the
to
also
add
a
parking
back
to
the
street
by
removing
one
Croker,
you
may
get
one
on
space
back
for
for
the
street
parking.
The
second
item
is
a.
There
is
a
possibility
to
have
the
engineering
I,
always
wonder
why
the
parking
dimension
is
controlled
by
the
engineering
department.
I,
think
a
planning
can
do
it.
Well,
we
have
some.
There
are
two
things.
First
is
a
compact
of
parking.
We
don't
have
a
compact
of
parking.
G
Our
compact
at
parking
is
not
allowed
in
our
code,
but
it's
used
by
a
lot
of
cities.
As
long
as
you
know,
you
don't
have
too
much
of
them.
A
lot
of
a
city,
add,
let's
say
in
a
parking
lot.
You
can
have
up
to
a
15%,
a
compact
of
parking
which
is
six
inches
all
somewhere
around
that
narrower.
They
are
typical.
So
our
typical
parking
lot
area
is
a
nine
feet.
Then
they
can
be
reduced
down
to
eighty-six.
The
length
can
be
slightly
reduced
from
18,
maybe
to
13
some
something
like
that.
G
So
by
reducing
that
we
may
be
able
to
have
some
protein
space
to
to
public
Lots.
Also,
we
there
were
quite
a
few
projects
in
town
journalists.
Lots
are
typically
40
feet
wide
and
people
try
to
put
parking
there
when
I
put
a
90
degree
parking
there.
You
have
22
feet
because
the
parking
space
is
18
feet.
G
We
can
also
allow
people
or
propose
people
to
have
hardcastle
back
into
their
space.
In
that
case,
you
you
don't
even
need.
24
feet
drive
aisle,
because
20
feet
will
be
enough
so
40
feet.
A
lot
will
be
perfectly
for
just
90
degree
parking
and
have
people
backing
to
the
space
which
will
solve
that
problem.
So,
in
other
words,
revisit
our
engineering
standard
to
give
a
little
more
flexibility
to
the
parking
and
allow
a
more
compacted
of
parking
arrangement.
G
B
I'll
jump
in
on
the
back
that
part,
it
works
great
on
and
isolated
a
lot.
Well,
there's
no
traffic
in
the
drive
aisle
in
a
public
lot.
The
22-foot
is
tough
because
usually
takes
another
train
to
back
out.
So
if
there's
traffic
frequenting
that
aisle
because
of
the
lot
it
makes
it
real
tough
but
on
the
small
Lots
works
great
well.
B
The
people
I
know
I
wouldn't
want
backing
in
next
to
my
car,
but
that's
okay.
The
one
thing
I
did
make
a
comment
about
the
thinking,
meters
and
costs
our
downtown's
now
competing
with
an
outlet
mall,
the
Estrella
mall,
and
if
they
start
having
I'm
sure
the
business
owners
down
they're
going
to
say,
we
can't
compete
if
we
have
pay
for
parking
in
front
of
our
business
and
they
can
go
somewhere
else
and
not
pay
a
cent
for
parking
and
that's
why
the
Business
Association
did
not
want
it
and
had
them
taken
out.
Well.
G
G
G
L
Okay,
so
the
last
item
in
the
night
North
Beach
parking
study.
Similarly,
we
talked
about
this
previously
at
the
study
session
and
fewer
slides,
there's
less
data
to
cover.
So
again
we
have
this
same
staff,
but
on
the
North
Beach
study,
Michael
Aloka
was
the
lead
on
putting
that
together
and
he's
here
tonight
and
I
like
to
congratulate
him
on
putting
together
a
great
study.
Kyle
Weber
also
did
a
lot
of
work
to
help
with
that.
L
Chris
Wright
helped
us
towards
the
end
making
sure
we
started
our
eyes
across
our
T's
and
then
I
oversaw
things
and
had
help
to
finish
it
up
so
location
for
the
North
Beach
study
is
the
mixed
use
zone
and
the
public
lots
located
in
the
North
Beach
area.
Here
you
see
it
broken
into
the
blocks.
The
mixed
use
are
the
numbers
1
through
7
and
then
8
and
9
are
the
public
lots
with
the
the
beach
club
and
the
casino
and
the
feet
of
all
the
theaters
on
six,
this
block
six
as
well.
L
So
this
was
the
second
comprehensive
parking
counts
in
North
Beach
that
reveal
the
parking
demands
that
we
were
first
directed
to
do
it
in
2016
after
the
General
Plan
Update,
and
it
serves
as
a
baseline
for
comparing
with
future
parking
counting
account
updates.
Similarly,
the
process
we
do
them
this
time,
we've
only
done
twice,
but
that
we
do
them
in
early
August
they're
conducted
the
same
timeframe
that
we
talked
about
for
downtown
9
a.m.
to
9
p.m.
on
four
days.
L
We
got
to
hit
the
Saturdays
and
Sundays,
and
then
we
have
two
weekdays
and
they
do
take
last
time
then
downtown
I
think
that's
something
that
we
could
take
into
consideration.
If
we
talk
about
what
else
we
might
want
to
look
at
in
the
area
in
the
future,
so
key
observations
just
to
sum
up
what
was
in
the
report
overall
peak
was
was
Saturday
morning
at
9:00
a.m.
with
a
rate
of
forty
three
percent,
so
we
thought
that
was
kind
of
interesting.
As
we
mentioned
previously,
the
downtown
study
is
typically
1
p.m.
or
7:00
p.m.
L
but
currently
this
past
summer.
It
was
in
the
morning
on
the
weekend
and
looking
at
the
sub
area
occupancies.
If
you
break
that
down
as
the
report
does
you
see
that
it's
around
the
beach
club
on
the
weekend,
probably
likely
related
to
weddings
and
events
that
we
saw
there
and
then
also
the
private
parking
located
at
the
lodging
that
the
BEST
WESTERN
lot
is
really
busy
on
the
weekend
in
the
summer
right.
A
lot
of
people
would
be
there
so
that
Saturday
at
9:00
a.m.
L
lik
on
street
parking
was
observed
at
50%
throughout
the
area
and
that's
substantially
more
23%
more
than
in
2016.
So
we
think
that's
likely
due
to
the
events,
but
there
was
a
lot
more
on
street
parking,
which
commissioner
ruolin
mentioned.
Previously.
We
were
talking
in
the
study
session,
so,
if
I
can
take
you
through
the
map,
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
lots
to
look
at,
but
you
have
Avenue
a
Pico
here,
El
Camino
rial,
coming
through
here
in
the
coastline
down.
Here
we
got
the
Metrolink
station
and
large
public
Lots
down
at
the
beach.
L
The
beach
club
is
located
in
this
gray
area
here
and
you
can
see
at
our
peak
time
at
9:00
a.m.
on
the
Saturday.
You've
got
high
occupancy
use
right
there,
where
Ellie's
cafe
was
still
in
operation
and
then
events
at
the
beach
club.
You
can
see
there's
some
use
on
the
adjacent
street
where
we
talked
about
before,
where
this
pay
parking
and
the
pay
parking
stops
right
about
where
we
stopped
our
study.
L
The
other
thing
to
mention
is
the
lodging
parking
that
I
mentioned
the
BEST
WESTERN
it's
located
up
here.
You
can
see
it's
heavily
used
at
that
time.
Otherwise,
throughout
the
area
there's
a
lot
of
available
parking.
We
we
have
talked
to
the
North
Beach
Association
staff
recently
attended
their
meeting
and
talked
to
them
about
the
results
of
the
study.
The
one
thing
to
mention
that
they
said
was
that
they
sort
of
anecdotally
said
they
didn't
seem
like
this
was
right
that
along
I'll
come.
L
You
know
rial
that
there's
so
much
more
use
of
parking,
but
when
you
look
at
the
run
as
a
whole,
it's
it's
like
a
quarter-mile
run
that
block
and
there's
a
lot
of
parking
there
and
it's
not
all
occupied.
Typically
there's
there's
available
parking
in
there
and
that's
what
the
study
shows
on
every
day
and
then
you
can
see.
L
There's
the
parking
that's
used
just
off
where
the
riders
club
is
and
knuckleheads
on
the
street
there,
which
is
because
these
black
areas,
you
can
see,
show
where
there's
no
on
street
parking
on
the
El
Camino
Real.
So
we
figure
people
must
use
that
area
since
they
can't
park
along
the
street,
otherwise
they
would
probably
park
along
El,
Camino
Real
and
then
just
showing
the
typical
peak
time
that
we
saw
last
time
for
North.
Beach
was
Sunday
at
1:00
p.m.
and
you
can
see
there's
a
lot
of
available
parking.
You
really
just
only.
L
The
only
thing
to
know
here
would
be.
Similarly,
where
I
was
just
pointing
around
the
riders
club
and
knuckleheads.
You've
got
quite
a
bit
of
on
street
parking
there
on
I.
Think
it's
lago
and
that's.
We
suspect,
like
lunch,
traffic
people
there
at
that
time
of
the
day,
otherwise,
there's
plenty
of
parking
available
throughout
the
system,
a
little
bit
impacted
near
the
Ellie's
in
the
casino
and
the
of
each
club,
but
not
high
thresholds.
So
this
we
have
few
recommendations.
L
Considering
that
you
know,
North
Beach's
results
show
that
there's
a
lot
of
parking
in
the
system
and,
as
we
showed
in
the
study,
so
we
would
but
we'd
recommend
continued
enforcement
of
the
regulations.
It
does
help
with
the
turnover,
especially
down
near
the
high
traffic
area,
which
would
be
the
the
beach
club
recommended.
But
a
recommendation
we
put
in
there
is
to
expand
the
trolley
shuttle
service.
L
We
know
lots
of
people
go
to
the
outlets
and
park
there
and
ride
the
trolley
specifically
to
North
Beach
or
to
downtown
that
should
only
expand.
We
would
think-
and
the
trolleys
been
a
great,
a
great
asset
to
the
city,
and
it
has
in
our
minds
affected
that
the
data
in
the
study.
We
mentioned
that
in
the
study
that
it
seems
like
a
lot
of
people
are
riding
the
trolley,
so
maybe
less
people
are
parking
down
there.
L
That
was
the
similar
recommendation
to
the
the
the
downtown
study,
and
one
thing
we
kind
of
thought
about
was
we
figure
there's
a
time
coming
when
we'll
have
the
types
of
like
public
share
bikes
that
that
people
do
the
scooters
and
things
like
that?
That
will
likely
come
it's
kind
of
a
rude
awakening,
but
it's
probably
coming.
We
know
what's
happened
in
other
beach
cities,
and
that
might
be
something
we
want
to
look
at
in
the
future
when
it
happens
so
that
we
are
prepared
to
handle
it
where
it
should
be
parked.
L
You
know
what
what
areas
that
should
occur
in
and
then
also
the
you
know.
The
North
Beach
study
area
is
also
covered
by
the
same
general
plan,
implementation
measure
to
comprehensively
look
at
the
parking
and
circulation.
So
we
recommend,
if
we
do,
that
these
are
the
previous
recommended
stations.
I
mentioned
would
be
things
you
could
fold
into
that
if
you
were
looking
at
the
North
Beach
area.
So
with
that,
that's
all
I
had
and
we'd
recommend
the
Commission
comment
on
the
results
and
provide
recommendation
on
the
strategies.
Okay,
Commissioner.
D
My
my
only
comment
great
job
on
this.
Thank
you
is
my
wife's,
been
she
goes
down
to
the
North
Beach
area.
There's
epic
yoga,
which
is
down
here,
which
is
a
new
establishment.
A
relatively
new
establishment
should
say
and
I
know
that
she
frequently
comments
in
the
evening
on
parking
difficulties
down
there
and
I.
Think
I
think
this
is
probably
one
of
those
kind
of
qualitative
comments
that
that
we
heard
from
you
know
downtown.
D
There's,
obviously
a
you
know
an
abundance
of
parking
available,
but
but
I
think
we
need
to
probably
improve
some
of
the
lighting
and
some
of
the
access
to
some
of
that,
so
that
you
feel
comfortable
parking
a
little
bit
further
away
than
parking
right
on
the
street.
These
you
can't
do
that
there,
so
that
would
probably
be
a
comment
that
I'd
take
back
that
just
because
we
have
the
spots
doesn't
mean
we
have
spots
that
would
be
used.
Does
that?
Does
that
make
sense?
Yeah.
D
C
Know,
I'm
gonna
sound
a
bit
like
a
broken
record,
I'm,
going
to
reiterate
my
concern
about
the
lack
of
not
bringing
in
the
other
areas
around
the
streets
yeah.
Thank
you.
Those
metered
spots,
for
example,
that
go
up
boca
de
la
playa.
If
people
are
going
to
spend
half
a
day
or
a
day
at
the
beach,
not
only
is
there
a
cost
associated
with
that
there's
a
time
limit.
Some
people
aren't
gonna
want
to
go
and
move
their
car.
C
They'll
walk
aways
in
order
to
have
a
place
where
they
can
park
all
day,
so
they
go
up
around
the
corner
and
we're
kind
of
missing
that
we're
not
getting
a
picture
of
what
that
looks
like
and
actually
all
the
way
off,
Catalina
as
well
and
so
there's
you
know,
we're
I
think
we're.
We
might
be
missing
part
of
the
picture
and
we're
seeing
some
leakage.
C
Study
make
sure
we
incorporate
how
STL
used
in
that
area
effect
this,
because
it's
that
turns
that
into
a
bit
of
more
than
as
visitor
serving
type
of
area,
so
delete
it
out
right
next
to
there,
especially
when
there's
free
parking
in
that
area
is
going
to
be,
will
get
a
better
picture.
If
we
include
those
I
think
I
had
a
question
on
page
six
in
the
current
condition.
C
I
L
G
L
L
Staff
would
think
we
if
the
Commission's
desire
would
be
to
do
this
staff
would
think
we
could
look
at
studying,
Kyah
less
the
lots,
long
kya
las
bolas,
with
the
thought
that
there's
a
nexus
between
the
people
who
park
here
and
and
use
the
the
visitor
serving
uses
within
the
area.
That
seems
to
make
sense.
We
do.
We
do
think
that
people
were
doing
that
I
speaking
for
Michael
here
in
the
audience
we
thought
we
saw
people
doing
that.
So
that
would
make
sense
to
you
could
look
at
this
just
this
street.
L
We
thought
it
would
make
sense.
It
also
would
work
with
the
run
that
we
do
the
way
we
do
the
counts,
that
you
could
kind
of
come
out
here
and
then
come
back
down
the
street
to
do
the
to
do
the
accounts
so
just
to
put
that
out
there,
staff
doesn't
really
object
to
that
something.
We
think
we
could
consider
if
that's
what
the
Commission's
will
is
yeah.
C
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
idea,
and
my
thought
is
that
all
of
the
areas
that
are
currently
designated
where
you
can
have
SDL
use
within
the
residential
area,
which
is
a
polka
to
the
playa
I,
think
kayak,
Elena
I,
know
people
park
there
and
then
that
northern
half
of
Buena
Vista,
you
know
that's
where
the
STL
users
are
allowed.
So
that's
where
the
visitor
serving
people
in
heavy
parking
so.
L
We
would
call
it
so
I
would
say
speaking
on
on
behalf
of
staff,
as
we
discussed
that
we
thought
that
might
be
a
bit
more
than
then
we'd
want
to
chew.
Maybe
we'd
want
to
look
at
just
Kyle
s,
bolus
initially
and
see
what
kind
of
data
we
get
out
of
that
and
see
where
the
so
the
nexus
is
there
okay
and
then
go
from
there.
I'll
take
incremental
steps.
C
L
B
C
C
And
just
a
comment
on
on
that
the
parking
and
that
cul-de-sac
and
he'd
forget
the
name
of
that
street.
But
riders
club,
you
know
logo,
yes,
is
logo,
writers,
Club
is
row
in
the
corner
there.
It's
very
popular
and
parking
is
really
tight.
There
I
mean
I
mean
physically.
Besides
there
being
kind
of
a
limited
number
of
spaces
for
that
small
building,
it's
it's
hard
to
get
in
and
out
of
there
there's
you
can
see
the
side
of
the
building.
C
L
C
C
G
Yeah,
this
is
also
applied
to
the
downtown
parking
study
here,
and
you
made
a
recommendation
to
allow
the
residents
to
park
on
public
a
lot.
So
a
lot
leads
to
me
a
wander
if
you
have
an
assessment
of
the
residential
parking
demand
versus
supply,
for
example
in
the
residential
district
here:
do
they
do
they
always
have
a
two-car
garage
for
single-family
detached
home?
Do
they
have
a
driveway
and
that's
enough
for
them
to
park
their
car?
G
L
Would
just
generally
comment
that
there's
very
few
residents
is
actually
located
within
within
the
study
areas
there.
Of
course,
residence
is
just
adjacent
to
the
study
areas,
but
those
aren't
areas
that
we
look
at
within
the
study
area.
The
only
one
that
comes
to
mind
is
the
Venetian
villas,
which
is
located
just
next
to
this
lot,
7b
and
that
that
facilities
far
I
wasn't
here
when
that
was
permitted,
but
I
believe
was
fully
parked
with
the
adequate
space
is
required
for
that
many
dwelling
units
and
it's
all
within
the
site.
What.
L
L
There
are
very
few
as
far
as
I
recall,
I,
don't
I,
don't
recall
there
being
that
many,
it's
just
it's
just
adjacent
to
it.
Do
you
think,
just
as
you
get
outside
the
mixed-use,
for
example,
when
you
look
at
the
downtown
area,
if
you
look
at
your
map
and
you
see
where
the
library
parking
lot
is,
the
study
area
only
includes
the
library
parking
lot
in
the
street
right
there,
where
the
parking
lot
is
across
the
street
is
outside
the
study
area.
Okay,
there's
all
residential
right,
so
yeah,
it's
there's
very
few
residences.
L
Actually
within
the
study
area
is
that
was
a
comment
that
I
remember.
Commissioner
Crandall
mentioned
about
as
we
get
residences
in
the
area
and
we
get
mixed-use
development.
How
will
we
look
at
that
and
I
think
that
it's
a
valid
point
I
made
something
we'll
need
to
look
at
in
the
future,
but
at
this
time
I,
don't
think
the
residential
aspect
is
really
playing
a
factor
for.
G
A
G
A
L
Yeah,
the
area
being
used
for
the
study
is
out
of
the
general
plan
implementation
measures
to
study
the
mixed
use
area,
but
we
I
think
we
could.
As
Gabriel
mentioned,
we
could
add
something
into
the
study
to
cross-reference
that
if,
if
there's
another
overlay,
that's
that's
something
we'd
add
Thanks.
G
B
L
The
plan
so
the
plan
moving
forward,
we've
already
talked
to
the
North
Beach
Association.
We
still
need
to
talk
to
the
downtown
business
associations,
so
we'll
do
that
and
then
move
it
forward
to
City
Council
and
it's
a
report
that
City
Council
receives
and
they
make
a
determination
what
they
want
to
do
with
it.
At
that
point,
okay,.
B
C
I'm,
when
will
we
adjourn
to
the
next
regular
meetings
of
the
study
session
and
Planning
Commission
to
be
held
on
March
6
2019
at
6
p.m.
in
Council
Chambers,
located
with
her
navigator
Presidio
San
Clemente
California?
As
the
February
20th
2019
study
session,
Planning
Commission
meetings
have
been
canceled
due
to
a
lack
of
business.
All.