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A
I'd
like
to
call
the
regular
meeting
of
the
study
session
of
the
planning
commission
of
the
city
of
san
clemente,
california,
wednesday
february
16
2020
meeting
to
order,
mr
otamian,
would
you
call
role
please,
commissioner
prescott
here,
commissioner
mccacken
here,
commissioner
cosgrove?
A
I
do
not
see
him
in
attendance.
Commissioner
camp
here,
chair
pro
tem
mccann
your
vice
chair,
tyler,
vice
chair
tyler,
indicated
to
staff
that
she
would
not
be
in
attendance
today
and
chair
crandall.
Here
we
have
one
item
of
business
just
wanted
to
quickly
ask
did.
Does
anyone
have
problems
starting
at
this
hour
in
the
future?
It
helps
staff
out
not
having
to
stay
late
and
all
if
you
do
go
ahead,
and
we
can
talk
about
that
in
the
regular
meeting.
A
A
That
for
another
meeting-
okay,
we
have
one
item
today
and
it
is
on
the
draft
coastal
implementation
plan
on
land
use
plan.
Amendment
and
chris
wright
is
our
staff
member
presenting
this
tonight.
So
chris
you
have
the
floor
and,
as
leah
is
also
here
for
the
presentation.
C
Commissioners,
cecilia
gallardo
daily
community
development
director
we're
very
happy
to
be
at
this
place
with
the
with
our
coastal
planning
efforts
before
you
tonight
will
be
an
overview
of
our
coastal
implementation
plan,
we'll
go
into
more
detail
about
what
it
is
and
what
it
means
and
how
it
integrates
with
our
existing
policy
documents.
C
But
essentially
this
will
be
a
new
chapter
of
the
zoning
code
related
to
coastal
development.
Specifically,
so
tonight
we've
got
a
study
session
for
you.
We've
got
christopher
wright,
a
staff
planner
who
is
working
with
us
on
the
project
and
then
also
as
part
of
this
presentation
tonight
is
leslia
meyerhoff.
She
is
a
consultant
for
the
city
and
she's,
acting
as
our
local
coastal
program
manager,
so
we're
going
to
go
over
the
coastal
act
generally,
what
it
is,
what
it
governs,
what
it
means
why
we're
subject
to
it?
D
You
may
recall
from
a
previous
study
session,
we
sort
of
outlined
what
the
coastal
zone
consists
of,
but
it's
it's
essentially
15
of
the
entire
area
of
the
city
shown
here
in
the
map
in
the
southern
end
of
the
city.
I-5
is,
is
the
approximate
inland
boundary
of
the
coastal
zone
and
then
in
the
northern
part
of
the
city,
it
varies,
but
it's
roughly
about
it
ranges
anywhere
from
about
a
thousand
feet
to
twenty
to
two
thousand
feet:
inland
from
the
beach
and
the
ocean
within
the
coastal
zone.
D
D
So
they
are
subject
to
a
waiver
from
a
coastal
development
permit
or
a
cdp
requirement.
So
this
is
a.
This
is
a
really
good
thing
for
a
lot
of
property
owners
within
the
city
who
are
covered
by
the
categorical
exclusion
order
and,
as
I
said,
the
the
order
has
been
in
place
for
about
40
years.
It
will
remain
in
place
until
the
lcp
is
fully
certified,
at
which
time
the
city
plans
to
update
the
categorical
exclusion,
order
and
refine
the
maps
and
possibly
add
additional
types
of
development
projects.
D
The
number
one
goal
for
the
city
has
always
been
to
retain
local
control
of
the
process
and
to
make
sure
that
the
all
the
policies
and
development
standards
reflect
the
city's
vision
and
goals
for
itself
and
that
the
local
preferences
and
unique
conditions
that
exist
in
san
clemente,
which
are
different
from
other
cities.
D
Ultimately,
this
provides
greater
certainty
to
business
owners
and
property
owners,
people
who
are
in
the
coastal
zone
and
are
affected
by
the
city's
lcp
and
ultimately,
the
goal
here
is
to
streamline
the
permitting
process
so
that
when
people
come
forward
with
development
proposals,
they
only
need
to
come
to
the
city
to
get
a
permit.
They
don't
have
to
go
to
the
city
and
then
go
to
coastal
commission
and
then
come
back
to
the
city.
D
Okay,
great,
thank
you,
so
this
sort
of
encapsulates
all
the
things
that
we've
been
working
on
since
about
2014
when
the
city
kicked
off
its
process
to
update
its
land
use
plan.
D
Much
of
this
effort
has
been
supported
by
coastal
commission
grants.
The
city
has
been
the
recipient
of
three
grants
to
date
and
we
have
submitted
an
application
for
fourth
grant
and
we
should
hear
the
outcome
of
that
application
sometime
next
month,
when
coastal
commission
has
their
next
public
hearing.
D
D
D
In
2019
we
completed
the
sea
level
rise,
vulnerability
assessment
and
then,
following
on
that
last
year
we
completed
the
coastal
resiliency
plan,
and
that
brings
us
to
where
we
are
here
now
with
the
draft
implementation
plan
or
ip
and
the
draft
land
use
plan
amendment
which
we
prepared
and
published
on
monday
of
this
week
to
start
a
six-week
public
review
and
comment
period.
So
that'll
continue
through
march
28th,
and
then
we
will
be
back
before
the
planning
commission
sometime
in
the
in
the
spring
or
summer,
with
an
updated
version
of
the
of
those
documents.
E
Good
evening,
chair
commissioners,
christopher
wright
associate
planner
too
and
I'll
be
going
over
the
implementation
plan,
a
new
part
to
the
city's
local
coastal
program.
E
This
is
the
implementation
plan
is
identified
as
a
strategic
priority
in
the
city's
general
plan,
strategic
implementation
program
and
it's
a
high
priority
item
with
the
objectives
that
leslia
had
laid
out,
and
this
would
be
the
primary
tool
the
city
would
use
to
implement
the
coastal
land
use
plan
and
general
plan
policies
for
the
area
within
the
coastal
zone.
So
it
is
the
primary
regulatory
document
for
the
city
in
that
area.
E
The
specific
plans
in
the
coastal
zone
would
be
part
of
this
to
be
part
working
in
conjunction
with
their
zoning
code
and
the
ip,
because
if
you
have
a
standard
for
a
specific
plan,
that's
within
the
coastal
zone,
let's
take
the
pure
bowl
area,
for
example,
you
would
first
start
with
the
curable
civic
plant.
If
there's
a
standard
in
there,
you
would
use
it.
Then.
E
E
There's
we
used
the
zoning
code
as
our
base,
so
we
pulled
content
from
our
zoning
code
where
ever
there
was
some
topic
that
we
knew
that
was
specific
to
policies
in
the
local,
the
coastal
lanies
plan,
and
we
also
looked
at
the
city
of
newport
beach
and
sedona
beach's
implementation
plan
to
give
us
guidance
on
implementation
plans
that
were
more
recently
certified
by
the
coastal
commission.
So
we
had
a
good
understanding
of
the
type
of
regulations
that
the
coastal
commission
would
support.
E
And
that
means,
if
you
had
say
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
type
of
use.
You
would
also
be
seeking
a
condition.
A
coastal
development
permit
that
the
city,
planning,
commission
or
city
council
city
council
would
be
acting
on,
and
that
would
be
the
decision
that
would
be
made
now.
There's
certain
areas
of
the
city,
they're
called
appealable
areas
that
are
defined
in
the
implementation
plan,
where,
if
a
decision
is
made
in
that
appealable
area,
then
the
coastal
comm.
The
decision
could
be
appealed
to
the
coastal
commission
to
make
a
review
of
the
city's
decision.
E
Those
areas
would
be
outlined
on
a
map
that
we
would
be
working
on
with
the
coastal
commission,
but
generally
they
are
they're
defined
as
areas
with
reference
to
the
the
coastline
and
since
their
resource
areas
also
public
works
projects,
and
if
you
have
more
questions
on
that,
then
you
know
I
can
entertain
them,
and-
and
I
just
want
to
make
a
note-
that
the
we
welcome
questions
throughout
this
presentation.
If
you
have
questions
you
can
ask
them
now,
you
don't
have
to
wait
until
the
end.
A
Yeah
I'll
just
throw
one
quick
one
out,
and
this
is
for
cecilia
and
or
chris
will
there
be
a
document
for
applicants
that
shows
the
sequence
of
reviews.
The
city
does,
in
other
words,
which
documents
they
look
at
first
and
that
progress
that
you,
you
indicated
as
far
as
specific
plans,
zoning
ordinance
implementation
plan
etc.
E
Well,
the
implementation
plan
does
lay
out
procedures
and
it
does
explain
that
the
specific
plans
for
those
areas
are
the
primary
tool
that
you
refer
to
first
much
like
an
overlay
zone,
but
there
is
not
like
a
flow
chart.
If
that's
what
you
mean,
but
we
could
always
make
that
a
part
of
our
coastal
development
permit
application
that
could
be
prepared
in
conjunction
with
this
plan.
E
So
the
coastal
development
permit
application
that
the
city
would
have
could
go
into
additional
detail
on
how
the
public
would
use
these
documents
and,
in
addition
to
having
a
website
we
can.
We
can
add
to
this.
A
Okay,
just
I'm
just
looking
for
a
tool
for
the
applicants,
so
they
don't
say:
hey
we're
lost
here.
A
Point
can
ask
a
question:
oh
I'm
sure
I
can
yeah
christopher.
So
if
an
applicant
comes
in
they're
going
to
first,
let's
say
it's
in
the
pure
bowl
they're
going
to
first
look
at
the
at
the
specific
plan
for
the
pure
bowl
and
any
guidance
that
it
gives
they
incorporate
that
into
their
project,
and
they
also
go
to
the
implementation
plan
and
the
zoning
code
or
does
do
they
kind
of
if
it's
in
the.
If
it's
covered
in
a
specific
plan,
it
stops
at
the
specific
plan
level,
correct.
E
Okay
yeah.
So,
for
example,
let's
take
the
mixed
use,
four
area
and
the
pure
bowl
there's
setbacks
that
pertain
to
those
properties
and
various
development
standards.
Those
development
centers
would
be
the
primary
standards.
However,
the
implementation
plan.
My
next
slide
goes
into
there's
additional
requirements
that
are
new
to
not
in
the
zoning
code
and
it
it's
pretty
clear
when
you
go
to
title
17
that
that
con
content
is
not
in
our
normal
zoning
code,
because
it's
specific
to
coastal
resources
so
we're
while
we,
we
largely
based
this
draft
on
the
zoning
code.
E
The
title
18
is
implementation
plan
is
it's.
It
is
distinct
in
several
ways,
so
I
can
go
over
that
next,
unless
there's
other
questions
on
this
side.
A
I
just
have
a
quick
question:
no
okay,
so
this
has
to
be
certified
or
is
it
approved
by
the
coastal
commission?
You
mentioned
that.
Are
you
gonna?
Are
you
gonna
fill
us
in
on
that
a
little
bit
as
well.
E
Yes,
we're
gonna
talk
about
next
steps
towards
the
end
of
this,
but
yes,
the
way
this
works
is
the
city
would
go
through
a
process
which
we
do
consult
with
the
coastal
commission.
Through
this
process,
the
city
is
taking
to
avoid
major
surprises.
Later
we
want
to
ensure
we
have
good
collaboration
with
coastal
staff,
so
we
have
a
supportive
recommendation
later
and
can
work
through
any
issues
early.
So
it's
a
smooth
process,
but
yeah
the
city
would
take
action
on
the
implementation
plan
and
then
the
way
it
works
is.
E
The
coastal
commission
very
often
will
have
suggested
modifications
that
the
city
would
consider,
and
then
the
city
would
act
on
those
and
then
it
would
go
back
to
the
coastal
commission
for
consideration
of
certifying
a
document.
So
we
can
get
a
little
bit
more
into
the
next
steps.
At
the
end,
though,.
E
Yes,
the
the
main
objective
of
this
would
be
largely
to
have
the
city
make
decisions
on
projects
in
the
coastal
zone.
So
there's
only
one
area
where
it
would
not
be
really
a
part
of
this
implementation
plan
because
of
a
choice
that
capstone
assures
me
to
to
kind
of
have
a
carve
out
for
their
little
area.
But
for
the
most
part,
decisions
would
be
made
by
the
city,
and
there
is
also
a
only
a
limited
area
that
is
in
the
appealable
area.
It's
like
300
between
the
sea
in
the
first
public
road
or
300
feet.
E
A
E
Yeah,
and-
and
also
I
to
add
on
to
that,
we,
like
we've
been
pointed
out-
we
have
an
exclusion
order,
so
there's
a
a
bunch
of
properties
in
the
city.
We
have
one.
Now
we
have
this
exclusion
order.
We
have
plans
to
update
it
to
reflect
new
topic
areas
like
accessory
dwelling
units
and
if
you
meet
the
criteria
that
exclusion
order
and
you're
in
the
area
of
that,
then
it
even
more
streamlines
the
process.
So
this
is
all
meant
to
improve
customer
service
for
people.
E
E
E
There
are
policies
that
are
pretty
similar
to
what's
in
our
general
plan,
but
this
is
a
term
a
term
that
is
different
for
the
implementation
plan,
so
it
would
be
known
as
a
visitor
serving
commercial
district,
not
the
central
business
overlay
and
there's
a
part
of
the
code
that
would
define
what
type
of
review
is
necessary
for
types
of
uses.
It
encourages
retail
restaurants,
visitor
serving
type
activity
in
defined
districts
within
that
overlay.
E
Next,
the
coastal
development
permit.
What
are
the
review
procedures
appeals?
What
type
of
materials
do
you
need
to
provide
to
have
an
application?
What
are
the
noticing
requirements?
That
would
be
an
implementation
plan,
and
what,
if
you
want
to
make
an
amendment
to
a
coastal
development,
permit,
for
example,
when
what
did
who
makes
the
determination
for
whether
a
project
is
in
the
exclusion
order
or
not
or
the
appealable
area,
and
what
options
do
people
have
to
push
an
item?
A
determination
like
that
up
to
a
higher
level?
E
E
Without
that
emergency
permit,
then
you
are
causing
a
hazard
and-
and
there
needs
to
be
a
an
expedited
way
to
take
action
on
those
type
of
situations,
so
that
would
be
laid
out
here.
Setback
requirements
for
the
coastal,
bluff
and
canyon
lots
are
updated
to
reflect
what
is
in
the
coastal
land
use
plan.
There
are
some
wording
in
the
policies
that
was
updated
in
the
coastal
annual
plan.
E
This
has
regulations
that
mirror
what's
in
the
coastal
land
use
plan,
and
it
gets
in
a
little
bit
more
detail
with
biological
resources
and
sensitive
areas,
which
is
the
next
point
here
so
sometimes
you're
going
to
need
a
biological
study
if
you
are
in
100
feet
of
an
environmental,
sensitive
habitat
area.
E
There's
a
biological
report,
that's
part
of
the
coastal
land
use
plan
and
it
defines
these
sensitive
areas.
So
if
you,
if
you
have
a
project
within
proximity
to
those
sensitive
areas,
you
would
need
to
meet
certain
requirements
that
are
new
to
this
title
coastal
hazards
analysis,
so
they
would
consider
sea
level
rise.
E
Sometimes
you
would
need
a
geological
report,
and
that
is
something
that
is
required
by
the
coast.
Commission
right
now
we
have
a
project
on
a
bluff,
lot,
you're
doing
major,
remodel
or
new
development.
They
require
a
biological
study
and
a
geotechnical
report.
So
the
the
implementation
plan
needs
to
reflect
that,
given
the
city
would
be
making
those
decisions,
not
the
coastal
commission,
public
access
standards
for
some
bluff
lots.
We
have
coastal
access
points
that
are
defined
in
our
local,
our
coastal
land
use
plan,
and
this
lays
out
requirements
to
preserve
those
access
points.
E
E
E
E
If
you
have
three
or
more
units-
and
you
are
within
half
a
mile
of
a
transit
stop,
you
could
also
have
those
parking
options
and
there's
a
permit
requirement.
If
you
don't
meet
some
of
the
criteria,
we,
if
you
have
questions
we
could
go
over
to
that,
but
I
think
that
covers
enough
to
give
you
a
sense
of
how
title
18
is
different
than
our
zoning
ordinance.
D
D
A
major
remodel
is
essentially
when
you
take
an
existing
structure,
a
house
or
other
primary
primary
structure,
and
you
modify
it
greater
than
50
percent.
D
The
50
is
only
for
structural
components
and
it
applies
specifically
to
exterior
walls,
the
roof
structure,
the
floor
structure
and
the
foundation,
so
you
could
have,
let's
say,
for
example,
49
change
to
your
exterior
walls,
and
you
could
have
49
change
to
your
roof
and
you
would
still
technically
be
below
the
major
remodel
threshold,
because
those
those
thresholds
among
the
structural
components
are
not
additive.
D
You
only
would
count
exterior
changes
over
time
and
once
any
of
those
structural
components
exceeded
50,
then
you
are
in
the
major
remodel
category,
and
so
this
is
an
important
definition
and
again
it's
brand
new
in
2018.
D
So
the
focus
of
the
land
use
plan
amendment
is
to
make
sure
that
the
city
starts
counting
these
structural
changes,
beginning
in
2018,
not
starting
to
count
them
as
of
1977..
D
So
the
land
use
plan.
Amendment
is
very
focused
on
this
singular
issue
and
it's
limited
to
major
remodel.
It
doesn't
affect
any
other
elements
in
the
coastal
act
like
shoreline
protection
or
defining.
What's
an
existing
structure.
D
I
think
that's
it
on
that
slide,
so,
cecilia,
I
think
back
to
you
now
for
the
schedule
and
next
step.
C
All
right,
so
we
are
getting
ready
to
publish
a
public
draft
or
we
published
a
public
review
draft
of
the
document
on
monday
february
14th,
when
your
plenty
commission
packet
was
distributed
to
you
last
week.
The
link
to
the
document.
C
So
we
just
sent
that
information
to
you
today.
It's
a
six-week
public
review
period,
so
you'll
have
an
opportunity
to
look
at
that.
C
C
City
coastal
commission
input
any
input
that
we
receive
legal
other
departments
and
we
intend
to
publish
a
public
hearing
draft
of
the
document
in
the
spring
or
summer
after
that,
we'll
take
it
to
we'll
bring
it
back
to
the
planning
commission
as
a
hearing
body,
to
make
a
recommendation
to
the
city
council
and
then
we'll
send
it
to
the
city
council
for
final
approval
and
then
once
the
city
council
adopts
the
the
implementation
plan
and
the
land
use
plan
amendment,
then
we
will
submit
it
to
the
california
coastal
commission
and
it'll
go
through
their
review
process
and
eventually
make
it
in
front
of
the
full
coastal
commission
for
review.
C
So
it's
a
bit
of
a
process.
Quite
a
few
steps
along
the
way,
but
in
terms
of
milestones,
we
are
at
the
first
one
publishing
the
public
review
draft
for
public
input
and
review
next
slide.
C
That
that
concludes
our
presentation.
I
think
one
thing
that
we
wanted
to
do
since
the
draft
document
wasn't
available
to
you
when
the
packets
were
distributed,
we
were
going
to
have
chris
pull
up
the
table
of
contents
and
just
just
generally
go
over
the
main
areas
that
the
implementation
plan
will
cover.
E
E
E
What
public
hearings?
What
is
that
process
laid
out
appeals
enforcement
of
the
implementation
plan,
environmental
review,
those
sort
of
procedures,
so
we
have
applications
that
is
a
sub
part
of
that
types
of
applications
you
can
like,
for
example,
if
you're
in
that
exclusion
order.
You
would
follow
this
section
for
categorically
excluded
projects
if
it's
an
emergency
permit.
We
have
a
section
on
that.
So
these
are
the
type
of
applications
that
would
be
part
of
the
implementation
plan.
E
Part
three:
are
your
general
development
standards?
You're
gonna
see
some
similarities
to
the
zoning
ornament,
so
fences.
We
have
fences
in
our
zoning
hornets.
We
have
walls,
we
have
grading,
but
in
some
instances
those
standards
need
to
be
adapted
for
the
coastal
zone,
and
so
we
are
also
mindful
that
these
type
of
standards
are
often
referenced
by
it
by
the
coastal
commission
when
they
make
decisions
they're
going
to
be
important
in
implementing
the
policy
so
they're
part
of
this
document.
E
E
Part
four
are
the
specific
zones.
What
those
development
standards
are
so
development
standards
for
single-family
residential
in
the
coastal
zone.
That's
those
types
of
standards
in
this
part
as
well
as
overlay
districts.
So
we
mentioned
the
visitors
serving
commercial
district
overlay.
That's
right!
Here
we
have
habitat
protection
standards,
so
I
was
talking
about
environmental,
sensitive
habitat
areas.
E
That's
these
standards
right
here
and
when
you
might
need
like
biological
assessment
for
examples
in
here
coastal
hazards,
sea
level
rise,
for
example,
storm,
water,
runoff,
water
quality,
historical
and
cultural
resources,
public
access
and
recreation
and
then
in
part,
five
is
your
definitions
and
acronyms
and
part
six?
Are
your
maps
and
figures.
E
A
I
just
want
to
understand
this,
so
the
lupa
was
amended
in
2018.
Is
that
correct.
D
Following
the
city
council,
adoption
of
the
of
the
updated
land
use
plan
is.
Is
that
answering
your
question.
C
C
That
is
correct,
we're
we're
taking
another
stab
at
it.
So
to
speak
and
the
back
story
there
is
that
we
had
a
fundamental
disagreement
with
coastal
staff
about
the
date
for,
for
the
major
remodel
for
counting
cumulative
changes
to
structures.
The
coastal
commission
had
agreed
that
we
wouldn't
have
a
date
for
what
constitutes
existing
or
a
date
for
for
cumulative
structures,
but
in
the
draft
document
it
was
1977
or
in
the
final
document.
C
It
was
1977,
and
this
caused
a
lot
of
concern
among
staff
among
the
community
that
here
we
have
a
new
definition
for
major
remodel
in
2018,
but
it
goes
back
to
1977
as
the
date
for
counting
cumulative
changes
to
structure.
So
we
wanted
to
have
that
fixed
in
the
landis
plan
and
have
that
date
be
instead
of
1977
2018.
The
date
of
landy's
plan
certification
by
the
coastal
commission.
Coastal
commission
was
on
board
until
they
weren't
or
staff
anyway,
and
so
we
tried
to
negotiate
something
with
them.
C
We
in
the
end
we
went
to
a
hearing.
The
coastal
commission
staff
actually
agreed
with
our
position
at
the
hearing.
They
took
out
1977,
they
put
back
in
2018,
but
then
they
added
another
paragraph
in
there.
That
said
for
shoreline
protection,
existing
is
1977.,
and
that
was
never
part
of
our
amendment
request.
C
That
was
actually
something
that
we
had
agreed
back
in
2018
that
we
would
defer
until
the
implementation
plan
and
with
that
position
of
coastal
staff
and
of
the
majority
of
the
commission,
we
just
simply
withdrew
our
amendment
and
decided
that
it
wasn't
worth
this
effort
to
continue
on
with
local
coastal
program
certification.
C
If
the
commission
wasn't
going
to
work
with
us
on
in
good
faith
on
this
particular
issue,
so
we
actually
paused
all
efforts
on
the
implementation
plan
and
did
not
resume
it
again
until
fall
of
of
last
year
2021,
we
we
had
a
conversation
with
the
coastal
commission.
You
know
very
earnest
conversation
about,
you
know
what
it
means
and
how
we
can
move
forward.
C
In
the
end,
they
agreed
that
they
agreed
on
our
proposal
for
the
land
use
plan
amendment,
as
we
had
proposed
it
a
couple
of
years
ago.
They
said
they
would
still
support
that
and
then,
in
in
terms
of
the
implementation
plan,
they
also
agreed
that
they
would
not
have
1977
as
the
date
for
existing,
so
that
that's
where
we're
at
that
gave
us
enough
confidence
that
we
can
move
forward
with
the
process.
C
What
happens
when
we
get
there?
What
happens
as
we
move
through
this?
You
know
we
don't
have
any
assurances
or
guarantees,
but
that
is
the
document
that
we
would
propose.
The
planning,
commission
and
the
city
council
support
and
send
to
the
coastal
commission
for
their
review
just
to
be
clear,
we're
operating
currently
under
the
2018.,
the
yes,
the
2018
land
use
plan.
Yes,.
A
A
lot
of
color,
my
other
question
is
not
to
sound
like
a
broken
record.
Maybe
I'm
just
slow
if
someone
could
explain
the
hierarchy
of
applicability
again
relative
to
the
various
documents.
So,
for
example,
as
you
were
scrolling
through
christopher,
I
saw
fences
as
a
category
in
the
implementation
plan.
So
let's
say
I'm
in
the
pure
bowl
and
I
want
to
build
a
fence.
A
E
Yes,
so
you
go
to
the
specific
plan.
If
there's
standard
specific
defenses,
then
you
use
those
fence
standards.
If
there
aren't
standards
for
fences,
then
you're
going
to
use
the
implementation
plan
now
there
are
some
cases
where
there's,
let's
say,
for
example,
there's
a
standard
that
is
not
in
the
implementation
plan.
I'll
give
you
an
example
accessory
buildings
right
accessory
buildings
in
the
city
of
san
clemente.
E
C
And
you
know
with
that,
I
think
that's
a
great
question,
I
think
one
thing
to
keep
in
mind
is
because
the
specific
plans
will
be
a
component
of
this
implementation
plan.
The
coastal
commission
will
also
be
reviewing
our
specific
plans
to
make
sure
that
they
have
the
information
that
they
need
or
the
assurances
they
need
for
us
to
be
able
to
issue
coastal
development
permits.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
camp
yeah.
I
can
understand
why
the
city
of
san
clemente
is
motivated
interested
in
getting
this
certified,
but
what
would
be
the
coastal
commission's
motivation
to
do
that?
I
mean
why
do
we
think
this
is
worthwhile
at
this
time.
C
Yeah,
I
think
that
you
know
the
coastal
commission
has
been
very
eager
to
have
certification
and
coastal
permit
issuance
in
the
hands
of
the
local
jurisdiction.
C
San
clemente
is
one
of
the
few
remaining
jurisdictions
that
doesn't
have
permit
authority
and
and
the
way
the
coastal
commission
sees
it
sees
it
as
it's
less
work
for
them
for
us
to
be
able
to
issue
the
permits,
rather
than
applicants
having
to
go
to
the
coastal
commission
and
and
they've,
backed
that
you
know,
eagerness
or
willingness
by
funding
this
type
of
work
through
coastal
commission
grants.
So
we've
actually
received
quite
a
bit
in
in
grant
funds
from
the
coastal
commission
to
develop
the
landis
plan
and
develop
this
document.
B
Aesthetics
they've,
given
up
they
can't
get
into
the
coastal
commission,
is
extremely
challenging
getting
their
time
their
attention
getting
through
their
application
process.
For
some
remediation,
let's
say
of
a
deck,
you
need
to
pay
15
20
000
for
engineering
to
apply,
and
then
they
don't
do
anything.
B
I
think
this
is
tremendously
important
to
our
community,
because
we
do
have
many
residents
that
are
held
hostage
by
the
coastal
commission
and
aren't
unable
to
move
forward
with
essential
improvements
to
their
property
because
of
their
process.
So
for
from
my
interactions
with
the
general
community,
I
think
this
is
really
really
high
priority
and
very
important
because
of
that
and
so
that
the
city
could
have
local
control
over
approvals
would
be
a
huge
benefit.
B
So
from
that's
just
my
anecdotal.
You
know
if
experience
with
this,
so
I
encourage
you
know
everything
we
can
do
to
actually
get
this
to
the
city
council
get
down
and
then
get
this
to
the
point
where
it's
approved
by
the
coastal
commission,
so
that
the
residents
of
the
city
have
autonomy
with
which
they
can
move
forward
with
their
projects.
B
So
I
think
it
for
that
purpose
alone.
This
is
extremely
valuable
and
important.
I
would
just
as
a
question,
though,
the
sea
level
rise
vulnerability
assessment,
as
well
as
the
coastal
resiliency
plan.
Is
that
part
of
the
whole
package
that
goes
to
the
coastal
commission
as
part
of
this
entire
pro
plan
and
program.
C
B
C
The
california
coastal
commission,
so
we've
developed
the
sea
level
rise
risk
assessment
and
the
coastal
resiliency
plan,
and
we
have
given
them
to
the
coastal
commission,
there's
no
more
action
that
we
or
they
need
to
take,
except
for
us
to
implement
it.
B
C
I'm
sorry
I
missed
that.
No
that's,
okay
and
chris!
If
you
want
to
just
toggle
back
to
that,
so
the
plan
is
to
have
a
six-week
review
period
of
this
right.
B
Right
right
after.
C
The
end
of
that
review
period
we're
going
to
go
back
and
revise
the
document
based
on
all
the
input,
and
then
we
intend
to
have
a
public
hearing
draft
ready
in
march
april
time
frame.
So
what
that
means
is
that
that
document
will
come
to
the
planning
commission
and
when
I
say
the
document,
it
will
be
the
implementation
plan
and
it'll
be
just
the
land
use
plan
amendment.
C
Those
will
come
back
to
you
for
a
recommendation
to
the
city
council
we'll
follow
that
up
with
public
hearing
before
the
city
council.
So
the
city
council
can
review
those
documents
and
hopefully
adopt
and
then
we'll
send
it
to
coastal
in
the
fall
of
this
year.
Okay,.
B
Are
there
any
act
planned
communication
to
the
community
as
far
as
during
the
review
period,
where
there's
a
workshop
or
anything
like
that
or
is
it
just
noticed,
and
people
can
send
comments.
C
You
know
we
have.
We
did
a
press
release
yeah.
We
have
kind
of
a
usual
list
of
things
that
we
do.
We
put
out
a
press
release.
We
have
an
interested
parties
list
that
we
e-blast
to
with
information
about
the
availability
of
the
document.
We
did
put
a
notice
in
the
newspaper
regarding
the
availability
of
the
public
review
draft.
C
We
like
to
come
before
the
planning
commission
and
do
a
study
session,
and
you
know
we
are
open
to
any
other
ideas
or
suggestions
that
you
might
have
for
that
and
are
even
willing
to
you
know,
host
a
workshop
or
any
kind
of
public
meeting
to
provide
more
information
to
the
public
about
this
plan.
B
A
C
C
It's
it's
what's
up,
it's
everything!
So,
for
example,
when
chris
went
through
the
the
table
of
contents-
and
we
are
mirroring
so
to
speak
fence
standards
that
are
in
title
17
of
the
city-wide
zoning
code
into
this
stand-alone
chapter
related
to
coastal
development.
The
coastal
commission
wants
to
see
those
standards
they
want
to
review
them
and
approve
them
and
make
sure
that
they
are
in
keeping
with
the
coastal
act.
So
they
they
go
for
everything
with
the
fine-tooth
comb.
B
I
just
it's
more
of
a.
I
guess,
an
idea
than
it
is
anything
else
than
a
question.
Is
there
a
way
to
have
more
organized
activities
around
that
plan?
To
me,
that
is
also
important
because
of
the
issues
with
our
sand
replenishment
and
funding,
and
just
the
fact
that
erosion
is
a
big
deal
to
our
beaches,
which
is
a
very
important
part
of
our
community,
and
I
don't
know
that
I
feel
like
there's
a
way
to
plug
in
like
is
there
a
working
group?
That's
looking
at
that.
B
I
know
we
have
a
beach
and
parks
convention.
They
have
a
role
there
and
I
didn't
know
if
there
would
be
an
opportunity
for
a
task
force,
a
working
group
that
could
be
kind
of
pushing
some
of
those
things
forward.
In
the
background
I
know
staff
is
times
constrained,
but
if
we
had,
you
know
some
kind
of
a
working
group
where
that
group
could
then
talk
to
other
neighboring
jurisdictions,
get
ideas,
bring
them
to
the
table,
discuss
them
kind
of
work
with
staff
to
bring
some.
B
You
know
additional
hours
of
there
to
help
the
staff
move
back
forward
those
discussions,
those
concepts
around
the
different
preservation
strategies.
B
That
would
just
be
my
idea
like
I
know
I
would
be
willing
to
serve
on
that
and
help
participate
in
doing
some
of
that
research
and
bringing
those
ideas
and
discussing
them
offline
and
then,
when
we
have
them
back
in
documents,
then
that
can
reflect
that
working
group.
Just
an
idea.
C
Yeah,
no,
I
think
you
raise
a
really
good
point
and
you're,
echoing
some
of
the
comments
that
we
heard
loud
and
clear
through
the
coastal
resiliency
plan.
Input
process,
which
is
you
know
this
you
know
what's
happening,
is-
is
very
important.
The
ideas
in
these
in
this
plan
are
important.
We
can't
just
put
it
on
the
shelf
and
not
think
about
it
anymore,
because
it's
here
and
now,
so
how
do
we?
C
How
do
we
continue
with
that
momentum
and
and
do
something
tangible
to
implement
the
document?
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
are
doing-
and
we
just
took
it
to
the
city
council
last
night-
is,
and
the
city
council
authorized
staff
to
apply
for
another
grant
to
the
california
coastal
commission.
That
would
actually
allow
us
to
do
things
specifically
that
are
in
the
coastal
resiliency
plan,
so
we're
requesting
funding
for
shoreline
monitoring
and
a
site-specific
feasibility
study
that
would
show
us
very
specifically
based
on
san
clemente's,
unique
conditions
up
and
down
the
coastline.
C
What
will
work
to
retain
sand,
what
it
would
cost
to
do
it
and
what
are
the
permits
needed
for
it?
So
I
think
that
is
an
effort
where
we
will
engage
the
community
and
we
are
part
of
a
task
force
or
working
group
with
other
jurisdictions
up
and
down
the
coast,
because
it's
not
a
city
issue.
It
is
a
regional
issue,
but
to
the
extent
we
have
opportunities
to
get
the
public
more
involved
that
that's
a
great
suggestion
and
we're
always
happy
and
willing
to
do
that.
A
Yep
any
other
questions
at
this
time:
okay,
adam.
We
can
start
our
regular
meeting
anytime
after
six,
but
no
earlier
than
six
correct.
That's
correct,
sir!
Just
a
question
for
the
public.
How
many
from
the
public
are
here
specifically
regarding
the
land
use
implementation
plan?
A
Was
there
any
members
of
the
public
that
would
like
to
speak
on
the
item
that
that's
it's
not
agendized,
and
that's
why
I
wanted
to
find
out
how
many
people
were
here
that
wanted
to
talk
to
that
I'd
limit
you
to
three
minutes
and
it
looks
like
it'll
take
nine
to
ten
minutes
to
do
it.
So
if
you
could
fill
out
a
card
real,
quick,
yes
and
I'll
meet
everybody
over
by
the
podium.
A
A
And
and
let's
keep
it
specific
to
the
implementation
plan
and
the
land
use
plan,
amendment.
D
My
name
is
mark
mcguire
resident
san
clemente
and
I'll
speak
briefly
to
this.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity,
thanks
to
staff,
for
all
the
work.
I
know
that's
a
lot
of
work
to
put
together
a
draft
implementation
plan.
Like
you
have.
I
will
tell
you
that
I'm,
on
the
one
hand,
very
excited
about
the
prospects
of
it
for
some
of
the
reasons
you
talked
about
about
taking
local
control.
D
There
are
other
things
that
frighten
me
about
it,
because
I
do
a
lot
of
work
in
the
coastal
zone.
I
know
how
detailed
these
things
need
to
be
to
work
properly
and
if
there
there
are
what
I
would
call
land
mines.
Sometimes
you
need
to
do
a
mine
sweep
of
the
document
before
it
gets
certified
so
that
you're
not
surprised
later
in
time,
like
oh,
my
gosh,
the
definition
of
major
remodeling
is
cumulative
all
the
way
back
to
77.
those
sorts
of
things
you
have
to
when
you're
going
to
take
over
certification.
D
You
have
to
get
it
right
both
to
make
sure
that
there
aren't
pitfalls
in
there
and
I'll.
Just
give
you
a
kind
of
the
scary
stories,
santa
barbara
certified
their
plan
implementing
their
plan.
They
weren't
a
lot
able
to
approve
a
plan,
a
project
because
of
the
restrictions
of
the
lcp
and
they
were
ordered
to
pay
condemnation,
damages
inverse
condemnation
damages
for
not
being
able
to
allow
a
reasonable
use
of
a
property
in
the
coastal
zone.
D
If
that
project
was
just
a
coastal
commission
project,
it
would
be
the
coastal
commission
that
would
be
footing
that
bill,
but
in
that
case
it's
the
city
of
santa
barbara
that
has
to
flip
that
bill.
So
you
have
to
be
very
careful
that
you
have
a
plan
that
allows
reasonable
economic
use
on
all
the
properties
that
are
within
the
coastal
zone,
and
that
is,
you
know,
big
picture
that
it's
a
workable
plan.
I
hope
we
can
get
there.
A
And
while
we're
waiting
for
the
next
either
for
staff
or
not,
even
if
we
have
jurisdiction
over
a
project,
postal
commission
can
call
it
up
to
their
review
review.
I
believe
which
would
seem
that
we
could
also
acquiesce
and
give
it
to
them.
Saying
it's
too
complicated
for
us
to
handle.
C
My
understanding,
I
don't
know
that
that's
been
done.
Leslie.
Are
you
familiar
with
that
approach?
My
familiarity
is
with
mapped
areas
where
the
city
has
jurisdiction
to
issue
the
coastal
development
permit
other
areas
where
the
city
has
jurisdiction,
but
it's
an
appealable
zone.
So
the
city
can
issue
the
coastal
development
permit,
but
anyone
can
appeal
that
decision
to
the
coastal
commission,
so
the
coastal.
C
It
was
in
I
in
my
experience.
Sometimes
the
commissioners
themselves
appeal
projects
to
the
closest,
but
that
that
area
of
appeal
is
defined
and
it's
limited.
It's
not
every
coastal
development
permit.
But
leslie
are
you
familiar
with
that
kind
of
premise
where
the
jurisdiction
doesn't
want
to
deal
with
the
permit
or
it's
a
complex
project?
They
can
just
turn
it
over
to
the
coastal
commission.
D
Yes,
you
know
for
some
some
projects
like
shoreline
protection
projects.
Sometimes
cities
will
do
that
if
the
project
is
in
coastal
commission
original
jurisdiction.
So
that's
you
know
basically
a
project
that
would
be
near
the
mean
high
tide
line.
So
you
could
you
know
you
have
the
option
of
sort
of
hunting
that
project
back
to
the
coastal
commission.
D
If
you
will
to
have
them
permit
it,
because
they
will
retain
permit
authority
for
anything
in
their
original
jurisdiction,
regardless
of
whether
there's
an
lcp,
that's
been
certified
or
not,
and
and
then
just
to
clarify
on
the
appealable
zone.
Coastal
commissioners
can
appeal
that
or
residents
can
feel
that
people
from
outside
the
city,
anybody
literally,
can
make
an
appeal.
A
I'd
like
to
hear
more
about
the
city's
liability,
because
well,
this
is
important
for
the
citizens.
They
have
the
you
know,
ease
of
working
with
city
department
if
the
city
makes
a
decision,
but
it's
based,
because
we
were
being
certified
by
the
coastal
commission
of
the
coastal
commission
role,
I'd
like
to
know
legally
how
we
are
the
ones
that
would
pay
for
their
loss
of
use
of
their
property
or
the
taking.
A
A
C
Yeah-
and
you
know
we-
we
can
talk
about
that
some
more
at
another
time.
That's
actually
precisely
why
we
withdrew.
Well,
that's
precisely
why
in
2018,
we
were
at
the
point
of
walking
away
from
our
efforts
on
a
land
use
plan
with
the
coastal
commission,
because
they
wanted
to
have
language
in
the
plan
that
wouldn't
allow
rights
to
shoreline
protection,
and
we
we
felt
as
though
there
was
no
legal
basis
for
that,
and
we
would
be
trading
ourselves
as
a
defendant
where
the
coastal
commission
was
a
defendant
previously.
C
So
those
are
those
are
things
that
we
take
into
consideration.
We
do
have
a
coastal
attorney
with
bbk
who's
advising
us
on
the
document,
but
we
can
certainly
talk
about
that
in
another
meeting
or
study
session.
Very.
A
Good
next
speaker
introduce
yourself,
and
you
have
three
minutes.
D
Hi,
my
name
is
susan
ambrose,
I'm
the
former
chair
of
the
coastal
advisory
committee.
I
sat
on
that
committee
for
11
years
and
it
was
recently
dissolved
by
the
city
council
late
last
year,
I'm
speaking
here
tonight,
because
I
want
to
applaud
the
efforts
of
the
city
in
working
with
the
california
coastal
commission.
D
We
were,
our
committee,
was
host
to
sea
level
rise,
vulnerability
study
when
it
was
first
introduced
to
the
community.
We
offered
many
suggestions
to
cecilia
and
leslie
when
they
were
there
and
many
of
them
were
implemented
and
included
in
the
sea
level
rise
of
vulnerability
study
the
same
with
the
coastal
resiliency
study,
even
though
those
comments
came
in
right
at
the
end,
the
tailgate,
and
in
fact
after
our
our
committee
was
dissolved.
D
I
say
these
kinds
of
things
to
you,
though,
because
this
gentleman
over
here
the
commissioner,
asked
if
what
kinds
of
activities
and
are
there
groups,
I
I
wonder
if
many
of
you
saw
this
article
submitted
by
council
member
chris
duncan
called
city
council
corner
saving
our
beaches.
If
you
haven't,
it
was
in
the
january
13th
to
20th
publication
of
the
san
clemente
times.
I
just
want
to
add
something
here,
because
this
is
not
just
a
coastal
advisory
committee:
it's
not
just
the
planning
commission,
it's
not
just
community
development,
etc.
D
It
is
everybody
working
together
to
try
to
come
to
a
general
agreement
on
protecting
and
conserving
and
preserving
our
beaches,
our
coastal
zones
and
the
business
and
residences
where
we
live.
So
I
hope
chris
duncan
will
not
object,
but
he
wrote
a
letter
to
the
public.
So
I'm
just
going
to
read
this
part
to
you
at
the
end.
Here's
my
plan
to
save
our
beaches
first
is
provided
for
recently
in
the
recently
passed
california
senate
bill
one.
D
We
must
organize
a
regional
task
force,
headed
by
representative
local
and
county
leaders,
from
within
our
literal
cell,
from
both
orange
county
and
san
diego
county.
If
we
do
not
act
in
concert,
we
risk
working
in
conflict.
Second,
we
must
develop
sand,
resilience
and
resilience
tactics,
especially
tailored
to
each
unique
beach
area
within
our
sail,
such
as
living
shorelines,
buried
cobble
firms
or
where
practical,
even
considered,
groins
or
artificial
regions
and
select
locations.
D
This
involves
seeking
input
from
coastal
engineers,
homeowners,
non-profits
and
other
stakeholders,
thursday.
Third,
we
must
closely
coordinate
our
efforts
with
the
california
coastal
commission,
which
has
the
final
say
in
any
shoreline
protection
project,
while
some
vilify
the
coastal
commission
as
an
unnecessary
impediment.
This
exercise
is
counterproductive
to
expeditiously
securing
necessary
approvals.
D
The
better
course
of
action
is
to
engage
a
commission
from
the
start
and
to
garner
its
institutional
support
and
input
to
be
sure,
saving
our
beaches
is
a
massive
undertaking,
but
we
can
do
it
if
we
focus
less
on
optics
and
talk
and
more
on
real
solutions
and
strategic
action.
I
intend
to
lead
on
this
effort.
Will
you
join
me
so
I
I
have
asked
I've
given
this
to
the
beaches,
parts
and
recreation
committee.
D
I
also
read
this
letter
to
the
city
council,
so
it's
all
televised,
and
I
I
ask
you
planning
commissioners,
to
consider
taking
advantage
of
that
request
and
that
invitation
from
city
councilman
chris
duncan
to
join
him
and
join
us
in
those
efforts
to.
D
A
You
do
we
have
another
speaker,
those
are
all
the
speakers
all.
A
Commissioner
mccacken,
would
you
please
do
this
in
the
pledge.
A
A
Would
you
please
call
roll
and
for
eileen's
benefit?
Commissioner
cosgrove
joined
us
at
540
during
the
study
session.
A
The
next
item
for
is
special
orders
of
business
special
presentations.
We
have
none.
The
next
item.
Five
are
minutes.
We
have
one
set
of
minutes
from
the
january
19th
2020
meeting.
Do
we
have
any
corrections
and
or
a
motion
making.
A
Have
a
motion
by
commissioner
prescott,
not
second
by
commissioner
mccacken
I'll
call
for
a
vote.
Commissioner
mccacken
aye,
mr
prescott
aye
commission
mccann
aye,
commissioner
cosgrove
aye
commissioner
camp
aye
and
commissioner
crandall
is
also
an
eye.
A
The
next
item
is
oral
and
written
communications.
Mrtamium.
Do
we
have
any
written
communications
not
pertaining
to
items
on
the
agenda
tonight?
I
so
far.
I
have
one
card
for
an
item
that
is
on
the
agenda
on
the
agenda.
That
is
on
the
agenda
very
good.
Yes,
so
we
will
call
it
up
during
that
item,
so
we
will
go
to
item
7
consent,
calendar
and
we
have
none
item.
8
is
public
hearing.
A
And
we
have
no
items
under
public
hearings,
a
nine
new
business.
We
have
zoning
amendment
for
temporary
outdoor
dining
and
parklets.
Jonathan
lightfoot
is
the
staff
member
presenting
for
us
this
evening.
So
jonathan
you
have
the
floor.
F
Thank
you,
chair
and
good
evening
planning,
commissioners.
I
do
have
a
presentation
that
I'll
be
sharing
with
you
and
with
the
audience
to
walk
through
a
bit
of
the
history
and
the
proposal
in
front
of
us
and
just
to
preface
as
we
get
into
this
topic
of
outdoor
dining
and
parklets.
F
This
is
going
to
be
a
review
under
new
business,
but
this
will
be
coming
back
to
the
commission
as
a
hearing
item,
and
so
this
is
going
to
be
a
good
opportunity
to
provide
feedback
on
staff
of
areas
that
you
think
should
be
modified
or
other
discussions
that
should
be
had
and
then
we'll
be
coming
back
again
to
the
commission
under
that
hearing
at
the
at
your
following
meeting.
So
as
soon
as
we
get
the
presentation
up
all
right,
while
you're.
A
F
Correct
and
I'll
cover
a
bit
of
that
history
in
the
earlier
part
of
the
slides
and
this
the
later
part
of
the
slides
will
be
as
we
shift
into
topics
for
the
planning
commission
to
dive
into
even
further
so
in
front
of
us
again
we're
looking
at
parklets
or
outdoor
dining
in
private
and
public
areas
within
the
city
of
san
clemente,
and
if
we
can
go
to
the
second
slide.
Okay,
thank
you
so
background.
F
That
did
pave
the
way
for
a
continuation
of
these
types
of
activities
at
local
jurisdictions
and
a
couple
bullet
points
underneath
this
to
indicate
elements
that
were
considered
in
those
legislative
pieces
was
an
extension
of
abc's
catering
authorization.
So
that's
an
opportunity
for
local
businesses
to
expand
if
they
already
had
an
alcohol
license
for
their
interior
sales,
they
could
more
easily
get
something
or
get
an
authorization
for
sales
adjacent
or
outside
of
their
existing
premises.
F
F
Council
has
also
discussed
this
topic
in
directed
staff
to
work
with
design,
review
and
planning
commission
and
with
a
target
return
to
them
in
march
next
slide.
Please
ask
chairman:
crandall
noted
the
design
review
subcommittee
took
a
look
at
this
topic,
a
couple
of
times
december,
15th
and
january
12th.
F
A
few
of
the
recommendations
from
that
body
included,
incorporating
standard
buffers
and
concrete
planters
along
the
street
edges
of
decks,
setting
standard
deck
sizes,
limiting
tall
elements
to
maintain
open
sight
lines
specifying
ada
compliance
standards,
encouraging
solar
lighting
and
establishing
a
standard
blueprint
for
parklets
in
the
public
street.
Next
slide.
Please
and
a
couple
of
images
here
and
again.
This
is
topics
that
were
covered
by
drsc,
so
I'm
just
catching
you
up
a
little
bit
on
the
discussions
that
were
had
there.
F
We
looked
at
types
of
railings
and
barriers
that
were
used
both
in
san
clemente
and
other
jurisdictions
nearby
and
there's
a
star
here
on
one,
but
the
top
right
would
also
have
a
star.
There
was
a
preference
for
a
solid
barrier,
but
one
that
also
had
some
openings.
So
it
wasn't
a
completely
private
space
next
slide,
please
and
then
for
lighting.
F
There
was
a
preference
amongst
the
subcommittee
to
avoid
overhanging
elements,
and
so
that's
why?
There's
that
the
no
go
marker
on
the
far
left
image,
but
a
preference
instead
for
some
lighting
that
could
be
independent
and
more
of
a
flood
scenario.
So
it's
not
draping
over
the
entire
parklet,
but
in
a
couple
of
locations.
Ideally
the
edges
of
those
dining
areas.
F
F
This
is
just
one
example
of
content
within
that
incur
it
included
encouraged
elements
and
discouraged
elements.
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
that
entire
list,
but
the
goal
is
that
it
can
be
a
a
readable
document
for
any
business
owner
who
wants
to
apply
and
quickly
understand.
This
is
what
I
need
to
the
direction
I
need
to
go
for.
Design
and
elements
that
are
discouraged
would
would
not
be
supported
by
staff
in
a
quicker
process.
Review
next
slide,
please.
F
This
was
a
primary
point
of
emphasis
with
the
design
review
board
was
especially
on
the
public
street,
creating
a
sense
of
rhythm
along
the
cars,
and
so
this
graphic
here,
although
rudimentary
helps
to
convey
that
they're
looking
at
having
a
standard
rhythm
or
buffer
zone
that
borders
the
edge
of
those
decks
and
the
outer
edge
of
the
street.
F
So
that
zone
would
be
identified
by
concrete
planters
or
other
traffic
rated
materials
to
help
provide
an
additional
space
and
sense
of
protection
from
vehicle
traffic,
and
if
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide
so
following
our
second
design
review,
so
the
design
review
board
did
not
have
an
opportunity
to
look
at
these,
but
one
of
their
feedback
points
was
to
look
at
getting
a
standardized
template
or
blueprint
that
businesses
could
look
at
to
follow.
This
is
the
first
round
of
that.
F
So
alternative
b,
for
instance,
does
still
include
those
overhanging
market
lights
and
while
there
are
some
some
trees
shown
here
what
he
has.
If
you
look
at
the
call
outs
that
were
in
your
attachments,
it
shows
a
curbing
like
a
curb
stop.
As
the
outer
perimeter
and
the
design
review
board
was
preferring
the
larger
concrete
planters
and
and
that's
what
is
still
specified
within
the
design
guidelines.
F
This
shows
the
parallel
parking
context
and
I
I
didn't
mention
in
the
prior
slide.
This
is
covered
also
within
the
guidelines
and
the
proposed
amendment
language.
The
design
review
board
thought
that
three
angle
in
parking
spaces
should
be
a
maximum
for
business
and
then
two
parallel
parking
stalls.
So
that's
what's
reflected
within
these
images
here
and
I
think
we
can
go
ahead
and
move
on
to
the
next
slide.
Thank
you.
F
So
now
we're
shifting
into
discussion
and
I'll
slow
down
a
bit
since
I've
exited
the
background
and
we're
looking
now
at
what
does
our
code
currently
say?
What
are
some
challenges
there
and
what
could
an
amendment
look
like,
so
the
current
outdoor
dining
section
of
our
code
is
contained
within
1728205
of
our
municipal
code.
A
few
bullet
points
here
highlight
what
that
code
section
covers.
It
allows
for
permanent
expanded
outdoor
dining.
F
A
few
of
those
could
be
that
outdoor
areas
are
are
not
permitted
currently
to
encroach
into
required
parking
areas.
Outdoor
areas
may
be
limited
to
restaurant
uses.
Only
so
some
of
what
we
saw
within
the
pandemic
context
would
not
have
been
permitted,
so
bars
tasting
rooms,
coffee
shops
would
not
meet
the
context
of
a
restaurant,
and
so
that
limitation
may
also
be
a
challenge
for
businesses
to
adopt
and
then
seat
limitations.
F
Outdoor
dining
areas
may
need
to
provide
additional
parking
and
there's
a
table
that
references,
those
parking
standards
and
then
tables
and
chairs
on
public
property.
If
an
outdoor
area
proposes
to
use
public
property
have
to
be
removed
nightly,
so
those
are
just
a
few
of
the
existing
code
standards
within
1728
205..
F
To
be
very
clear,
this
section
is
a
temporary
section
that
would
sunset
automatically
at
the
end
of
2023,
concurrent
with
the
enabling
legislation
time
frames.
The
goal
of
this
section
would
be
to
establish
a
check
the
boxes,
style
regulation,
regulatory
system
for
temporary
outdoor
dining.
I
would
create
a
standard
blueprint
for
layouts
and
there
are
certain
modifications
within
that
code
section
that
would
require
drsc
review.
So
if
you
recall
back
to
the
guidelines
where
there
was
encouraged
and
discouraged
if
an
applicant
is
looking
at
doing
something,
that's
that
falls
under
discouraged.
F
That's
not
like
a
clear
streamlined.
This
fits
the
blueprint
then
they
would
not
have
an
over-the-counter
type
review,
it's
something
that
would
fall
under
an
exceptions
process
and
then,
finally,
that
the
draft
language
would
allow
any
food
and
beverage
business
to
participate.
F
We
can
go
to
the
next
slide
so
that
wraps
up
the
the
discussion
or
the
presentation
I'd
be
happy
to
respond
to
any
questions.
I
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
information
in
front
of
you,
but
hopefully
we
can
have
some
successful
discussion
this
evening.
A
Okay-
and
it
says
sunset
2023.-
we
didn't-
I
remember
I
was
talking
about
that.
I
know
this
is
considered
temporary,
but
if
a
business
owner
spends,
you
know
quite
a
bit
of
money
to
implement
this
and
and
have
a
parkland,
are
they
required
to
take
it
out
or
is
it
is
it?
How
does
that
work.
F
Yeah,
so,
in
conjunction
with
the
proposed
amendment,
the
business
owners
would
also
enter
into
a
license
agreement
with
the
city
that
allows
them
for
to
access
and
use
that
public
space
that
would
align
with
this
amendment
and
the
so
that
my
response
is
yes,
they
would
be
expected
to
remove
the
outdoor
dining
decks.
F
The
end
of
that
period,
there's
is,
there
is
an
option
to
pursue
a
longer
permanent
ordinance
and-
and
I
did
reference
in
some
of
the
code-
language-
a
permanent
ordinance
that
san
diego
recently
adopted,
but
we
would,
if
we
are
looking
at
a
permanent
expansion
of
outdoor
dining
need
to
go
through
the
full
environmental
and
coastal
commission
reviews.
A
Okay
and
those
those
exceptions,
I'm
sorry,
those
limitations,
they
would
apply
for
a
more
permanent
way.
Okay,
yeah.
I
think
something
to
consider
on
that
particular
question:
is
that
the
road's
going
to
be
resurfaced
in
2023.
A
Capital
improvement-
that's
already
been
done
and
it's
got
to
go
to
the
curb
gutter,
so
they're
going
to
have
to
get
out
of
the
way.
For
that.
I
got
a
question
that
we're
trying
to
amend
our
zoning
code,
which
actually
works
pretty
well
right
now
for
outdoor
dining
implementation
was
it
ever
considered
to
do
this
as
a
unique
special
events
permit
where
it
would
be
one
year
daylight,
and
these
guidelines
could
be
attached
to
that
special
definition
of
outdoor
dining
on
del
mar
and
whatever
streets?
A
It
is
because
this
doesn't
address
people
who
are
using
their
own
parking,
lots,
etc.
So
that's
going
to
have
to
be
handled
again
in
some
other
manner,
so
maybe
changing
the
zoning
code
itself
isn't
appropriate
until
we
get
those
figured
out
also,
could
it
be
done
with
us
a
one-year
special
events
permit,
which
goes
through
city
manager
and
staff
review.
A
And
doesn't
I
mean
the
fees
can
be
waived,
however,
is
that
a
viable
option,
possibly.
F
So
a
couple
of
responses.
First,
I
would
say
within
the
draft
172
8206,
there
is
a
section
on
private,
it's
not
as
developed
as
the
public
section.
There
are
some
regular
regulations
that
are
proposed
within
there.
Second,
I
think
that
the
special
event
permit
and
to
clarify
for
the
commission
there's
two
types
of
special
event
permits,
there's
and
when
we
say
special
event
that
actually
refers
to
anything.
F
Yeah,
so
within
the
public
property,
that's
typically
managed
by
our
beaches,
parks
and
recreation
division
and
honestly
chair.
I
would
need
to
look
into
that
a
little
bit
more,
since
that's
not
a
permit
that
I
typically
process.
Our
special
activities
has
a
limit
of
only
a
maximum
of
15
days
in
a
calendar
year.
I
don't
know
that
that
same
limit
would
apply
for
special
events,
but
I'd
have
to
review
that
and.
A
I
thought
that
would
be
a
lot
easier
to
change
than
a
whole
bunch
of
things
in
zoning
codes,
because
we're
going
to
be
asked
to
make
a
finding
going
through
the
zoning
code
option
and
since
there's
no
reference
to
the
downtown
parking
study
at
all
and
the
fact
it's
not
even
addressed
it
would
be
hard
to
make
the
finding
that.
In
fact,
this
complies.
A
Conditional
the
special
event.
A
I
had
mentioned
to
everyone
previously
to
take
a
look
at
this,
and
the
most
impacted
currently
parking
on
del
mar
is
obviously
the
titan
parking
in
front
of
these
spaces,
and
it
already
is
90
occupied
numerous
days
of
the
year
and
ninety
percent
is
considered
a
hundred
percent
by
the
parking
studies.
The
fact
that
that
ten
percent
is
people
coming
in
and
out
and
reparking,
so
it's
totally
used
and
we're
gonna
take
potentially
a
third
of
that
away.
A
So
there's
a
big
impact
that
needs
to
be
addressed.
Where
are
they
going
to
go?
Are
they
going
to
go?
Take
the
library
parking,
so
nobody
can
get
into
the
library.
We
need
to
consider
that
when
approving
these-
and
I
want
to
make
sure
we
discuss
that
pay
attention-
is
the
assembly
bill
on
senator
bill?
Is
that
mandatory?
A
A
A
A
We
have
restaurants
that
are
underparked
and
restaurants
that
have
either
purchased
parking
agreements
or
have
waivers
so
do
each
of
those
get
looked
at
equally
or
is
it
on
their
impact
to
existing
parking,
because
we're
adding
up
to
16
seats,
which
is
four
part
up
to
four
parking
spaces,
so
ones
that
have
already
taken
advantage
of
that
would
be
eight
spaces
low,
where
ones
that
have
not
taken
advantage
of.
A
That
would
only
be
four
spaces
long,
so
we
need
to
make
it
equitable
for
every
single
business
that
somebody
isn't
being
treated
over
generously
to
the
other
ones.
So
yeah,
I
think
I
saw
when
I
was
reading
in
here.
There
was
something
about
a
fee.
A
That's
going
to
be
charged
for
use,
I
guess,
but
it
was
pretty
vague.
I
mean
I,
I
assume
we're
going
to
get
a
little
more
distinctive
about
how
that's
going
to
apply.
F
Yeah,
so
I
will
be
supplying
some
additional
information
on
that.
I've
been
looking
at
other
cities
and
talking
to
bbk,
so
we
would
have
to
apply
a
fee
based
off
of
a
square
footage
basis,
so
there's
not
a
determination
yet
on
what
the
best
landing
spot
of
that
will
be.
But
that
will
be
a
part
of
the
revision
that
comes
back
to
you
and
the
same
process
would
apply
as
on,
as
was
under
the
temporary
operations,
where
all
the
fees
that
were
collected
went
back
into
operations
of
the
trolley.
F
A
C
F
The
designer
view
border
was
had
a
preference
for
the
rectangular,
and
so
the
a
standard
dimension
would
be
30
inches
in
height,
and
then
you
may
have
the
with
lengths
can
vary,
but
for
sake
of
discussion,
48
inches
long
and
a
couple
of
feet.
Deep.
F
Correct
so
that
would
be
placed
essentially
at
the
outer
edge
of
where
the
parking
striping
is,
so
it
would
be
within
the
parking
striping,
the
thought
being
that
different
than
what
was
in
existence
during
the
past
two
years.
The
decks
would
actually
be
pulled
closer
to
the
sidewalk
and
that
space
would
be
used
for
the
planters
instead
all
contained
within
the
parking
spot.
A
Okay,
one
other
comment:
I
think
that
I
didn't
mention.
I
think
we
need
to
let's,
let's
address
the
aesthetics
part
that
jonathan
proves,
so
he
has
direction
on
that
and
then
we
can.
As
a
second
discussion,
we
can
discuss
things
like
number
of
seats
etc,
and
we
don't
have
to
do
both
simultaneously.
B
B
B
B
Okay,
so
that's
a
good
idea
for
the
safety.
I
I
think
that's
really
important
and
I
suppose
that
the
staff
would
then
have
a
process
for
that
applicant
to
place
them
or
how
is
that
going
to
work
so
that
there's
consistency
there
may
need
to
be
like
forklifts
involved
to
put
them
in
place.
So
is
that
going
to
be
part
of
the
process.
B
Okay,
the
other
thing
is
about
the
overhead
lighting.
I
I
the
spirit
of
that
makes
sense
to
me,
but
I
would
hate
to
lose
the
ambiance
that
that
kind
of
string
lighting
provides
for
something
that's
more
of
a
flood
light.
I
don't
know
what
is
the
design
review
community's
opinion
about?
Did
you
guys
discuss
that?
The
harsher
lighting
versus
the
softer
lighting
and.
A
Trying
to
keep
these
from
taking
over
and
deterring
from
historic
facades
on
many
of
the
buildings,
but
but
of
the
two
other
members
yeah.
A
Speak
to
that,
typically,
the
overhead
lights
are
sort
of
a
cheap
solution
with,
with
you
know,
a
direct
light
source,
that's
visible,
that
creates
a
glare
field
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
avoid
we'd
rather
have
safe.
A
I
mean
it's
there's
no
real,
you
know
I'd,
say,
there's
a
real
rhyme
or
reason
to
the
development
of
a
lot
of
facades,
though
there
are
some
historic
benefits.
So
what
we
try
to
do
is
use
this
as
an
opportunity
to
create
some
identity
and
some
rhythm
along
del
mar
to
kind
of
you
know
normalize
it
a
little
bit
and
that
I
think
the
lighting
just
in
itself
is
a
is
a
really
big
deal
yeah,
and
so
that's
that's
kind
of
what
we're
looking
at,
because
it's
tough
to
control
the
overhead
lights.
A
B
So
will
the
applicant
have
free
reign
or
are
we
going
to
like
here's
the
menu
there's
we've
looked
at
this
we've
solved
the
problem
for
you.
These
are
ten
things
or
five
things
that
we've
will
work
for
you
pick
any
one
of
them.
Is
it
gonna
work
like
that.
F
Yeah,
so
the
thinking
is
that
they're
speaking
to
them
the
menu
that
they
would
be
able
to
select,
for
instance,
from
umbrellas,
a
seven
to
nine
foot
umbrella
and
I
don't
need
to
or
staff,
doesn't
need
to
look
at
whatever
particular
umbrella
you
order
from
whether
it's
lowe's
or
amazon,
as
long
as
it
falls
into
those
dimensional
criteria.
So
the
goal
is
that
there's
some
flexibility
for
them
to
choose
unique
character
characteristics,
but
that,
as
long
as
they
fall
within
the
permitted
dimensions,
etc.
B
Right
so,
as
far
as
the
lighting,
though
I
mean
that
seems
tricky
to
me
and
I
feel
like
like
in
here,
it
says
something
about
you
know
the
the
rating
of
the
lighting
like
3,
500,
kelvin
and
stuff,
like
that,
I
mean
people
are
going
to
go
on
amazon
35k
and
try
and
figure
this
out
or
it
just.
I
get
the
idea
that
we're
trying
to
bring
some
kind
of
consistency,
and
I
think
it's
good
that
we're
trying
to
consider
the
warmth
of
it
and
all
of
that
and
not
have
spill
and
glare.
A
Get
and-
and
we
are
trying
to
do
that-
okay,
the
other
thing
is
we
also
lighting
in
the
city-
is
supposed
to
be
shielded.
Well,
those
are
the
most
unshielded
lights.
You
can
have
up
there,
so
we're
looking
more
at
some
post
cap
lighting,
which
works
well
at
flood
z,
areas
and
anything
lower
than
that
yeah.
B
We
do
have
you
know
during
the
holidays.
I
think
those
trees
down
are
wrapped
yep
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
consistent
with
your
ideas
here,
but
that
people
seem
to
enjoy
that
effect.
So
maybe
there's
an
exception
if
they
want
to
have
those
wrapped
around
the
tree.
I
don't
know
what,
if
you
guys
considered
that.
A
Yeah,
I
think
you
know
what
we
are
proposing
is
a
kind
of
a
kit
of
parts,
so
we're
not
going
to
design
these.
You
know
for
them,
but
there's
enough
direction
that
I
think
any
and
there
are
even
some
specified
light
fixtures.
I
think
that
we
showed
on
there
that
they
could
default
to,
but
I
think
there
needs
to
be
a
little
bit
of
leeway
in
terms
of
creating
identity
for
a
particular
business
without
having
everyone
the
same.
Everyone
be
the
same
along
there,
so
there's
kind
of
a
balance.
A
I
think
that
we
were
looking
at
as
we
came
up
with
this
and
we
all
did
approach
it.
These
are
temporary
yeah,
so
we
don't
want
to
get
too
crazy
fancy
and
my
concern
always
was
if
we
do
look
at
the
possibility
of
permanent
parklets.
A
This
isn't
probably
the
way
we
design
them
gotcha.
So
you
know
saying
well
we'll
just
continue
it
well.
The
ideal
situation
is
not
to
be
serving
across
the
sidewalk.
The
idea,
then,
would
be
you
have
the
sidewalk
outside
the
dining,
which
would
be
the
typical
sidewalk
dining.
So
this
is
a
temporary
solution
and
we
don't
want
to
incur
such
a
price
that
it's
economically
unfeasible
to
yeah
exactly
enjoy
this.
B
Yeah,
I
think
otherwise
I
think
you
guys
did
a
great
job,
the
decking
and
flush
with
the
curb
allowing
for
the
you
know,
water
to
flow
underneath
and
the
railing
and
the
materials
that
you're
suggesting
all
look
great
to
me.
I
thought
you
did
a
great
job
on
that.
So
thank
you
to
the
subcommittee
for
that.
I
have
nothing
further.
Mr
chairman,.
A
You
any
other
question
on
aesthetics.
I
have
a
question
just
a
a
comment
on
these
summer.
Murphy
landscape
exhibits
that
we
haven't
seen
before
he's
got
a
lot
of
landscape
materials
plugged
in
there,
which
is
something
that
we
talked
about.
It
seems
like
that'd,
be
pretty
costly
for
the
merchants
to
to
do
also
he's
got
trees
shown,
which
would
block
visibility
to
the
to
the
stores
and
restaurants
and
buildings
behind.
F
I
would
agree-
and-
and
I
I
didn't
touch
on
that
in
my
powerpoint,
but
it
was
listed
as
a
recommendation
to
remove
the
additional
trees
for
that
reason
that
and
to
explain
for
everyone
else.
There
was
a
discussion
about
limiting
and
this
tied
into
the
overhead
lighting
as
well,
but
just
to
limit
any
elements
above
railing
height
above
30
inches
to
necessary
only
so
umbrellas
and
heaters,
and
even
limiting
the
number
of
those
elements.
A
Templates
that
you
just
paste
in
there
anything
else,
you
should
press
down.
Okay,.
B
A
We
had
talked
about
reflectors
on,
like
the
lead
one,
if
there's
a
series
of
them
in
a
row.
Yeah
put
it
on
the
lead,
one,
okay,
that
there
certainly
is
a
concern
and
they
are
within
the
parking
phase
themselves.
So
they're
they're,
not
protruding
out
any
further
than
a
car,
would
yeah,
probably
less
than
my
truck
would
yeah.
F
A
A
A
Timer
from
there
I
I
can
start
a
timer
okay
or
actually
we
can
control
the
timer
yeah.
So
I.
D
A
A
And
this
will
be
she'll
be
followed
by
mark
mcguire
and
chris
aiden.
D
Having
the
outdoor
dining
during
the
pandemic
was
definitely
a
help
and
a
blessing
to
our
community
in
the
downtown
businesses,
as
we
are
hopefully
leaving
the
more
you
know,
restricted
nature
of
our
lives
of
the
pandemic
and
we're
returning
to
a
little
bit
of
a
normal
life.
Having
some
outdoor
dining
is
really
a
nice
thing,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
taking
into
consideration
all
the
businesses
and
not
just
the
benefit
of
the
restaurants.
D
D
So
I'm
urging
the
planning
commission
to
please,
as
you're
looking
at
these
guidelines,
to
make
sure
that
the
parklets
don't
encroach
onto
any
other
businesses
that
they're
only
placed
in
front
of
the
restaurants.
The
business
that
these
parklets
are
benefiting
additionally
and
while
it
was
during
the
pandemic,
so
I
know
it's
a
little
bit
hard
to
compare.
D
So
thank
you
very
much
for
taking
into
consideration
all
businesses
benefits
and
not
just
the
restaurants.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
D
Exactly
yeah
next
to
brussels,
bistro,
and
because
they
have
disabled
parking
spaces
and
a
driveway,
I
think,
and
that
little
benchy
you
know
deal
in
front
of
their
restaurant.
They
weren't
allowed
to
put
their
outdoor
deck
there.
Okay,
so
it
had
to
get
bumped
down.
F
Yeah-
and
this
is
something
that
would
be
valuable
for
the
commission
to
discuss
because
one
of
the
challenges
you
know,
I
think
that
we
did
hear
a
design
review,
that
there
was
a
consistent.
This
scenario
by
mickey's
was
referenced
a
few
times,
especially
in
regards
to
the
height
of
an
element.
There
was
also
a
fixed
wall
at
that
location
and
so
identifying
that
we
don't
want
that
context
was
clearly
heard
by
the
design
review.
F
One
of
the
challenges
of
having
a
strict
frontage
is
that
we
do
have
angled
parking,
and
so
there's
going
to
be
almost
in
every
situation.
Some
level
of
you
know
parking
spaces
that
overlap
multiple
frontages.
We
I
did
propose
within
this.
We
did
not
allow
for
use
of
ada
spaces
during
the
temporary
program.
I
left
a
caveat
within
the
proposal
here
where
a
business
could
pay
for
the
temporary
relocation.
F
We
did
have
that
a
comparable
version
with
a
relocation
of
temporary
parking
spaces
so
that
that
would
be
one
avenue
to
address
these
challenges.
There
were
a
couple
of
restaurants
that
had
that
context
where
they
they
did
not
have
a
usable
space
directly
in
front
of
them.
So
in
trying
to
accommodate
that,
we
came
into
this
challenge
that
ms
rathman's
mentioning
thank
you.
A
D
Good
evening
again,
mark
mcguire
san
clemente
resident
and
also
I
represent
john
mckinley,
the
owner
of
la
galette,
which
is
one
of
the
restaurants
down
in
the
pier
bowl
and
I've
used.
This
I've
told
this
story
before
daniel
webster
when
he
testified
in
front
of
the
supreme
court
on
a
famous
case
early
on
in
the
republic.
He
was
talking
about
dartmouth
college
and
he
said
it's
a
small
college,
but
there
are
those
that
love
it.
D
That's
how
we
feel
about
the
little
cluster
of
restaurants
down
in
the
pure
bowl,
it's
small,
but
there
are
those
who
love
it
and
it
really
has
a
lot
of
different
issues
than
what
you're
facing
on
del
mar.
Frankly,
it's
not
it's,
not
diagonal
parking.
The
frontage
actually
wasn't
parking
at
all
in
front
of
this
area,
and-
and
it's
worked
out
so
well-
that
the
city
council
authorized
a
cip
improvement
to
ultimately
expand
the
sidewalk
on
that
side
to
permanently
have
outdoor
dining
in
that
area.
D
We
continue
to
think
that
it
works
well
and
we
think
it
has
its
own
set
of
subset
of
issues
that
are
different
from
del
mar
that,
frankly,
we
we
think
it
may
be
worth
doing
a
carve
out
in
the
same
way
that
probably
there's
carve
outs
for
the
private
parking
lots.
So
I
look
forward
to
working
with
jonathan.
We
were
the
first
ones
to
get
a
permit.
It's
always
great
to
work
with
jonathan
you've
done
a
great
job
on
on
this
program.
I
think
it
was
a
great
success.
D
I
know
there
were
bumps
in
the
road
I
enjoyed
the
parking.
As
a
I
mean
the
outlet
outside
dining
as
a
resident,
specifically
on
the
number
of
spaces
chairman
crandall,
you
you're,
I
know,
there's
been
this
reference
to
16..
I
just
would
tell
you
that
for
la
galette,
for
example,
they've
used
none
of
their
indoor
dining
during
the
life
of
this
outdoor
dining,
it's
the
outdoor
dining
is,
is
all
of
their
seating.
Now,
and
so
maybe
there's
opportunities
for
flexibility
like
that.
D
Where,
if
you're
not
using
your
indoor
seats,
then
you
can
dedicate
them
and
they
fit
comfortably
within
the
outside.
That
you
can
use
the
outside
seating,
but
those
are
things
that
I
hope
to
continue
to
work
on
work
with
your
staff
and
we'll
be
back
here
when
you're,
actually
making
a
recommendation
on
the
item.
E
A
Good
evening,
commissioners,
my
name
is
chris
aiken.
I
am
the
for
the
last
several
years.
A
I've
been
the
chair
of
the
saint
many
downtown
business
association
and
have
really
had
the
privilege
to
work
and
collaborate
with
the
city
during
the
covet
emergency
order
that
brought
outdoor
dining
and
I'd
like
to
we've
also
done
various
call
outs
but,
for
example,
times
etc,
and
got
a
lot
of
feedback
that
we've
shared
with
the
planning
commission
by
correspondence
and
by
by
the
information
we
have
provided,
I
would
say,
based
on
the
feedback
we
received,
has
been
overwhelming,
as
relates
to
helping
all
business
sectors
here
in
the
downtown
area
that
you
know:
restaurants,
retail
and
service
industries.
A
That's
what
we've
found
based
on
all
the
reports
that
that
that
we
have
heard
it
only
brings
an
ambiance
people
stay
longer
to
shop
and
also
we've
heard
from
from
the
the
restaurants
in
retail
that,
when
they're
in
the
outdoor
dining,
they
actually
notice
new
new
retails
that
they
actually
haven't
noticed
before
and
they
stay
longer
in
downtown
to
shop.
There's
also
a
lot
of
other
benefits,
as
relates
to
tangible
tangent
beds,
that
I
mentioned
in
our
correspondence
at
the
same
community,
downtown
business
association.
A
So
we're
fully
and
supported
program
and
we're
really
appreciative
of
working
with
the
city
to
during
this
time,
and-
and
I'm
really
appreciative
that
the
time
the
planning
commission
has
put
forth
to
do
standards.
So
we
don't
have
issues
such
as
that
that
mickey
mentions
we
have
actually
consistency.
A
There
has
to
be
flexibility,
because,
because
the
truth
of
the
matter
is
every
restaurant
is
different
and
the
city
has
worked
really
hard
to
to
assist
all
the
sectors
with
this
program,
and
I
would
certainly
encourage
the
planning
commission
to
continue
to
do
so.
We
are,
and
we're
really
appreciative
of
your
efforts.
So,
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
on
this
and
really
appreciate
it
that
relates
to
the
san
clemente
downtown
physics
association.
A
Receive
I
think,
one
at
least
I
received
one
email
from
downtown
business
association
talking
about
the
requesting
that
we
consider
how
this
will
impact
the
fundraiser
for
their
fiesta,
downtown
and
also
the
car
show,
and
how
these
are
going
to
impact
those-
and
I
don't
have
an
answer
for
that
right
now,
but
it's
something
we
need
to
consider.
Certainly,
yes,
just
for
the
record.
That
was
a
written
communication
that
was
forwarded
to
all
the
planning
commissioners.
B
A
If
there
are
direct
questions
about
that
staff
can
look
into
that
matter
and
provide
any
information
we
have
yeah.
Mr.
B
I
think
the
point
of
that
was
the
planning
effort
that
they
go
through
to
create
vendor
spots
and
then
they
sell
them
and
then,
if
a
parklet
pops
up
to
a
spot,
they
sold.
There's
gonna
be
some
scrambling
to
figure
out.
How
do
they
accommodate
that
vendor?
And
so
I
think
it's
just
the
staff
having
awareness
that
they're
just
looking
to
have
certainty
where
they
can
place
the
booths
and
then
sell
it
and
then
the
day
of
the
event
it's
accessible
and
not.
B
A
Yeah
and
also
the
car
show
they're
going
to
lose
42
slots
for
cars
etc
and
have
things
to
consider
whether
it
changes
our
point
of
view
or
not.
That's
a
whole
other
discussion.
Any
discussion
on
one
thing.
The
code
has
always
said:
restaurants
with
32
or
less
seats.
A
They
were
granting
them
only
eight
outdoor
dining
seats
about
limiting
the
number
of
seats
based
on
the
size
of
restaurant
made
sense
during
the
covet
crisis
because
they
lost
more
seats,
obviously
inside
than
the
other
ones.
A
And
should
we
limit
it
at
16
total
in
our
discussions
with
restaurant
operators
at
our
design
review,
they
seem
pretty
comfortable
with
that
number
that
it
didn't
need
to
necessarily
exceed
that
jonathan.
Was
that
your
take
on
their
comments
at
the
meetings?
I
know
I
think
it
was
the
manager
of
el
ranchito.
A
So
you
know,
rather
than
just
pumping
out
and
moving
him
from
the
inside
of
the
building
outside,
because
there's
no
way
we
can
monitor
whether
they
use
all
their
seats
inside
as
well
as
outside.
That's
something
you
can't
enforce.
A
B
A
A
C
A
A
I
suppose
there
could
be
a
major
condo
but
it'd
be
probably
off
a
city
power
source
rather
than
a
metered
source,
but
if
engineering
can
come
up
with
an
adequate
solution
to
getting
power
there,
where
it's
not
visible
and
a
problem
of
they
don't
have
to
be
solar.
If
there's
a
better
solution.
A
Commissioners,
just
on
on
that
item,
the
topic
of
having
private
parties
tap
into
the
city's
electric
boxes
along
del
mar
has
come
up
on
multiple
projects
in
the
past,
and
typically
the
city
typically
discourages
that
we
want
them
to
use
their
own
address
as
that
yeah,
so
it
would
have
to
come
from
their
source
and
for
a
one
year
temporary
thing
I
don't
see
trying
to
underground
something
from
your
building
to
the
curb.
A
A
Currently,
no,
they
are
not
losing
any
seats
right.
They're.
D
E
A
B
A
Don't
quite
I
haven't
quite
made
that
it's
an
amenity
and
and
that's
why
I
think
we're
looking
at
it.
For
short,
I
think
the
city
council
and
maybe
mayor
james,
can
address
this.
I
think
we
were
looking
at
doing
it
as
a
bit
of
a
thank
you
for
getting
through
the
pandemic
and
serving
the
town,
but
I
think.
B
A
It's
not
what
we've
seen
in
the
last
two
years,
how
the
impact's
going
to
park
it's
going
to
be
certainly
more
acute.
I
think
it's
you
know
the
the
idea
which
came
from
the
state
level
and
from
the
city
council,
is
that
it's
overwhelmingly
popular
with
the
residents,
so
I
think
that's
kind
of
the
part
of
the
motivation.
A
I
have
a
couple
questions
please,
regarding
the
parklet
permits.
Are
there
insurance
requirements
that
the
restaurant
you
know
indemnifies
the
city.
F
Yes,
there
are,
and
we
had
insurance
requirements
in
place
also
during
the
pandemic,
but
that's
going
to
be
covered,
there's
a
reference
to
that
on
page
10
of
the
guidelines,
and
it
is
referenced
specifically
within
the
the
draft
amendment
language
as
well,
so
we
require
that
they
provide
proof
of
insurance.
The
city
requires
commercial,
general
liability,
personal
injury
and
property
damage
of
a
combined
liability
limit
up
to
a
million
dollars.
There's
some
additional
language
within
that
section.
But
yes,
we
do
require
that.
A
Okay,
thank
you
regarding
the
number
of
seats
allowed
out
in
the
parklet,
I'm
okay
with
I
don't
I
personally
don't
feel
like
we
should
restrict
it.
I
don't
feel
like
we
should
police
it,
so
if
it
couldn't
fit
reasonable
amount
of
seats
and,
however
big
that
parklet
is
I'm
okay
with
that
mickey
brought
up
a
prickly
point
about
putting
the
parklet
in
front
of
retail
and
with
the
angled
angled
spots.
A
A
Have
the
right
to
have
the
sparkles
at
the
expense
these
are,
and
I'm
not
sure
that
every
single
one
warrants
it,
particularly
when
you
say,
seats
and
parking
if
they
put
30
seats
out
there,
that's
six
more
parking
spaces
that
are
people
are
looking
for
parking
spaces
and
we
don't
have,
according
to
the
downtown
parking
study,
to
do
that.
A
We've
got
to
limit
it
somehow
or
everybody
who
complies
all
these
businesses
that
comply
with
their
parking
or
paying
for
parking
aren't
getting
any
benefit
and
public
parking
is
being
taken
away
from
it
and
that's
one
of
the
biggest
balancing
acts
we've
got
to
do.
I
think
to
make
sure
that,
right
now
the
diagonal
parking
is
full
period.
A
It
is
full
and
it's
going
so
it's
it's
full
on
certain
peak
days
and
hours
for
some
of
the
public
parking
lots
pretty
much
on
del
mar
other
than
before
stores
open
it's
especially
during
the
summer.
It's
full
and
they
say
90
is
full
and
we
got.
I
think
it's
a
hundred
and.
A
Stalls
and
we're
taking
42
stalls
so
there's
an
impact
and
the
balancing
act
is.
Are
we
comfortable
with
having
more
traffic
on
del
mar
period
because
they're
going
to
be
driving
around
looking
for
a
parking
stall,
or
do
we
have
to
get
the
city
to
step
up
to
the
plate
and
take
the
recommendations
of
the
downtown
parking
study
and
there's
all
sorts
of
options
and
studies
and
leasing
some
of
the
private
spaces
to
become
public
spaces?
A
Out
of
the
lots-
and
I
don't
think
cecilia-
has
anything
been
done
to
follow
any
of
the
recommendations
from
the
198,
the
2018
parking
study
or
because
of
everything
going
on?
Has
it
just
been
kind
of
on
the
back.
C
A
Yeah,
that
is
definitely
an
unknown.
We
were
given
a
that
design
review
a
potential
number
of
partners
if
all
took.
C
F
Yeah,
so
I
just
wanted
to
add
a
related
thought
that
addressed
the
commissioner's
prior
comment
on.
You
know
how
regularly
those
spaces
are
used.
Staff's
thought
is
that
you
know
with
these
specifications
and
some
additional
investment
required
where
a
deck
is
required.
The
landscape
buffers
are
required
that
that
will
remove
a
number
of
spaces
from
participating,
and
a
number
of
those
who
did
not
invest
in
a
deck
were
some
of
those
spaces
that
were
irregularly
used.
C
I
think
it's
very
positive,
but
we
certainly
need
to
take
into
consideration
the
businesses
that
aren't
restaurants
down
there
and,
as
mickey
stated
that
I
think
you
say
that
you
enjoyed
it
at
the
same
time,
your
business
was
blocked.
That
was
certainly
unfortunate.
C
I
have
to
say
that
I
didn't
even
know
you
were
there
until
I
walked
down
and
participated
in
one
of
the
restaurants.
It's
like
oh
look
that
was
actually
very
nice
the
vendor
spots.
I
can
see
that
that
would
be
also
a
problem,
but
overall
I
would
be
supportive
of
what
the
design
review
has
come
up
with.
C
I
think
it's
a
work
in
progress,
maybe
add
and
subtract
a
few
things.
I
know
that
regulating
hours
of
use
might
be
overstepping,
but
you
know
if
they're
going
to
make
an
investment
they're
going
to
use
it.
So
at
the
same
time
I
see
a
lot
of
foot
traffic
down
there
when
the
parklets
were
up
and
people
were
enjoying
the
outdoor
restaurants
and
they're,
certainly
enjoying
them
down
in
the
pure
bowl,
and
I
see.
C
C
A
Possible
and
jonathan,
if,
if
it's
possible,
to
have
the
downtown
business
association,
do
a
survey
and
ask
the
question:
you
know
if
you
gotta
spend
five
ten
ten
grand
five
ten
grand
whatever
it
is
for
this
deck.
Is
that
something
you
would
consider
doing
or
not,
because
right
now
it's
speculation
and
and.
A
C
Ppp
loans,
so
there's
it's
it's!
It's
just
coming
right
out
of
the
bottom
line,
but
if
they're
going
to
make
that
investment
it
there
must
be
a
good
reason
for
it,
because
but.
A
Well,
at
what
kind
of
price
they've
got
the
extra
seats?
Also,
I
don't
want
to
give
them
a
gift
of
public
funds.
I
mean
it
was
supposed
to
be
used
for
parking
spaces
and-
and
our
job
is
to
look
at
this
as
a
land
use
issue.
It's
up
to
city
council
to
make
the
business
call
on
a
business
basis.
So.
B
A
A
Not
currently
on
lamar,
but
there
are
places
that
that
would
be
effective.
Well,
we've
only
talked
about
del
mar,
but
there
are
other
restaurants
that
have
you
know,
inquired
and
and
specifically
relative
to
parking
lot
tables
and
so
forth,
and
we're.
D
A
To
have
to
address
that
as
a
separate
issue,
because
that's
not
addressed
in
this
document
we're
looking
at
the
t-zone
and
purebull
yeah,
much
yeah
and
isolated
to
just
that
right,
yeah,
but
absolutely.
C
A
Limitations
in
terms
of
you
got
you've
got
to
put
up
some
funding
privately
to
be
able
to
use
them,
and
I
know
it
was
informal,
but
we
did
have
a
couple.
I
think
it
was
the
business
association
attended
at
least
one
of
our
drsc
meetings
and
said
they've
informally
surveyed
and
found
that
a
lot
of
people
are
actually
not
interested
in
using
them.
So
I
mean,
I
think
it's
you
know.
The
temporary
nature
of
this
thing
is
gives
us
that
kind
of
an
opportunity
yeah.
So.
B
B
I
understood
I'm
just
saying
that
I
think
this
is
a
good
step
forward
for
the
community
and
it
just.
I
think
that
what's
the
important
is
administration,
the
standards,
I
think
you
we
have
they're
good,
they
look
good.
The
administration
could
is
where
we
might
get.
You
know
bogged
down.
I.
What
I
understand
here
is
we're,
saying:
there's
going
to
be
we're
going
to
put
some
limits
on
this
right,
so
there's
42
spaces
maximum.
A
An
arbitrary
number
by
a
proposal
presented
to
us
by,
I
don't
think
it
even
says
on
here
anymore.
It
was
given
to
the
drsc.
B
F
The
design
review
board
did
have
a
preference
of
having
a
limitation
in
place,
there's,
obviously
some
natural
limitations,
a
lot
of
retail
on
del
mar,
so
it's
not
not
every
business
would
be
applying
42
is
pretty
reflective
of
what
was
in
place
during
the
pandemic,
so
that
was
a
starter
number.
That
number
you
know.
The
planning
commission
can
absolutely
open
on
a
different
number
if
they
think.
B
B
I
think
there
should
be
some
guidelines
guide
rails
to
manage
it
and
have
a
balance
so
that
there
is
still
parking,
so
we
should
maybe
consider
passing
it
on
to
the
city
council
regarding,
like
we,
do
recommend
these
guide
rails
in
terms
of
administration
that
we
would
limit
it
to
you
know.
If
42
is
the
right
number,
then
that's
the
number
I
did
get
confused
under
the
parking
study
section
where
we
were
talking
about
three
spaces
is
the
maximum
or
we're
waving
some
so
where
that's
we're
gonna
allow
that
permit
by
administration
only.
B
A
B
I
think
that
makes
sense,
so
I
think
we
should
quantify
that
as
a
guideline.
You
know
that
this
is
the
max
the
target
could
be.
I
don't
know
if
you
would
entertain
a
smaller
one.
You
know
I
was
just
also
confused
by
this
maximum
allowance
of
the
180
waivers.
I
didn't
know
where
the
waivers.
A
There
were
going
to
be,
I
think,
90
waivers
allowed
and
that's
when
a
small
store
comes
in
only
has
six
stalls,
but
their
square
footage
says
you
should
have
eight
okay.
They
would
grant
two
waivers
saying:
okay,
there's
enough
public
parking
around
you
that
sixes
do
it.
You
can
get
your
operating
permit.
So.
F
Much
so
yeah.
If
I
could
comment
on
that
quickly.
The
subcommittee
was
interested
in
when,
when
this
came
forward
to
planning
commission,
they
didn't
focus
on
the
parking
element,
but
when
it
came
forward
to
having
a
tie
to
parking
standards
that
exist
within
the
code
to
be
clear,
the
state
legislation
does
not
require
that.
F
So
we
would
have
the
flexibility
to
establish
planning
commission
can
make
any
recommendation
they
want
as
far
as
waivers
of
parking,
but
our
our
code
allows
for
an
administrative
waiver
of
up
to
three
spaces
in
the
downtown
area
and
and
up
to
a
maximum
of
180
spaces.
Chair
crandall
referenced
the
90.
there's
a
threshold,
and
this
comes
from
our
code,
section
1764125.
F
That
says
the
city
should
once
we
pass
the
90
do
another
survey
of
the
parking
constraints
within
the
downtown.
So
I
did
reference
that
within
the
staff
report
that
you
know
if
we
move
forward
in
this
direction
of,
if
the
planning
commission
at
the
hearing
were
to
support
this,
it
might
be
a
good
recommendation
to
the
city
council
to
budget
for
that
study
to
review
when
this
temporary
expansion
is
in
place.
F
What
does
the
parking
look
like
and
and
maybe
even
evaluate
overflow
beyond
just
del
mar,
so
that
there's
that
scope
that
we
can
use
again,
commissioner
cameron
reference
proof
of
concept
that
we
then
have
some
data
moving
forward?
If
there
is
a
consideration
in
the
future,
yeah.
B
So
the
eligibility
thing
I
think
is
key.
I
I
think
it
makes
sense
when
I
read
it,
but
I
just
to
recap
that
what
I'm
taking
away
from
this
is
we
don't
want
these
parklets
to
encroach
on
the
sidewalk.
B
We
want
to
permit
them
on
in
private
parking
lots,
provided
that
they
don't
obstruct
any
paths
right
away
and
they
don't
exceed
more
than
five
parking
spots.
So
within
the
the
boundaries
of
this
district
that
would
be
allowed,
and
then
we
would
take
a
maximum
of
42
spots
on
del
mar
and
no
more
than
six
consecutive
spaces
together,
so
no
more
than
three
parklets
adjacent
to
each
other,
and
then
we'd
have
to
have
some
spacing
after
that.
That.
B
Yeah
that
maybe
we
want
to
add
that
that
the
parking
should
be
in
front
of
the
business,
the
restaurant-
and
I
don't
know
if
you
would
consider,
if
there's
two
restaurants
next
to
each
other,
can
they
share
space
to
you
know,
maybe
they
want
to
go
in
50
50.,
something
like
that
and
that
would
address
maybe
some
of
the
non-restaurant
owners
so
that
you
don't
have
well.
I
want
I
have
to
have
my
own
space
because
I'm
my
own
restaurant
and
I
got
a
guy
next
to
me.
Who's
doing
this
same
thing.
B
Maybe
they
want
to
pool
it
and
share
it.
I
don't
know
how
they
work
it
out,
but
it's
possible
that
that
could
accommodate
two.
You
know
one
parklet
could
accommodate
two
restaurants,
therefore,
not
taking
as
much
street
parking
and
not
being
in
front
of
non-restaurant
businesses.
That
could
be
another
option.
F
A
Okay,
we
have
another
public
comment.
Yes,
we
have
a
card
apologize,
there's
no
name
on
it.
If
you
there's
no
name
on
the
card
miss,
but
if
you
would
like
to
state
your
name,
you
can
remain
anonymous
if
you'd
prefer.
D
Good
evening,
commissioners,
my
name
is
donatella
polizzi.
I
am
both
business
owners
and
resident
of
downtown
san
clemente,
and
I
have
a
question.
Parking
is
the
major
issue.
Until
two
years
ago
there
was
parking
enforcement
in
the
last
couple
of
years.
Parking
enforcers
have
disappeared
and
we
have
noticed
people
parking
early
in
the
morning
and
leaving
in
the
afternoon
on
del
mar.
So
maybe
it
could
be
reevaluated
to
have
some
sort
of
control
on
the
parking
time.
D
I
was
in
venice
two
days
ago
and
on
the
albert
kinney
boulevard,
where
there
are
stores
and
restaurants,
and
there
is
two
hour
parking
limits.
I
was
saying
more
than
two
hours,
so
I
moved.
I
got
up,
moved
my
car,
parked
it
somewhere
else
and-
and
that
gave
the
chance
to
to
someone
else
to
park
in
my
spot.
So
maybe
we
could
pay
more
attention
at
parking
control.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
and
that
is
one
of
the
recommendations
in
parkinson's
consider
that
so
that's
why
we
need
to
have
staff
dovetail
that
in
somehow,
because
that's
been
battered
around
for
years
and
years
time
parking
along
del
mar
and
metered
parking
and
which
is
not
a
favorite.
A
But
is
that
the
last
last
card?
That's
the
last
car
that
we
have
okay,
let's
go
if
anybody
has
any
particular
comments,
they'd
like
to
direct
to
jonathan
for
him
to
consider
when
putting
this
together,
let's
go
ahead
and
start
with
commissioner
camp
and
we'll
just
go
around
the
horn
yeah.
I.
E
A
I'm
I'm
kind
of
good
with
what's
been
discussed,
I
assume
you've
been
taking
notes
and
I
have
the
recording
yeah
and
so
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
good
comments
that
have
been
made.
I
don't
think
I
need
to
make
any
more
my
position
we
can
talk
about
that
more
later
is,
I
think,
it's
a
great
opportunity
to
make
a
run
at
it
and
see
how
it
works.
A
I
have
a
feeling
it's
going
to
come
to
a
level
that
makes
sense,
given
the
fact
you
know,
there's
not
that
many
restaurants
on
del
mar
and
not
that
many
folks,
given
the
fact
that
they
have
indoor
dining
now
are
gonna
actually
spend
the
money
to
put
these
in
in
general
city,
council
wants
outdoor
dining,
I
mean
that's
what
they
basically
told
us
and.
B
A
A
Approach,
I
was,
I
was
a
little
concerned
about
the
temporary
nature.
If
it's
one
year,
even
less
people
are
going
to
want
to
spend
that
kind
of
money
to
do
one
so
like
18.
A
A
F
A
A
F
A
B
I
echo
the
again,
I
think
the
guidelines
that
the
subcommittee
came
up
with
are
really
good,
and
I
made
my
comments
about
the
lighting
already.
I
would
just
say
jonathan
just
regards
to
the
cleanup
of
the
report
here.
It
is
just
a
little
confusing
with
the
parking
it
feels
like.
We
should
that's
a
separate
matter
like
a
strategies
like
we
need.
We
need
a
vehicular,
you
know
parking
strategy,
long
term
and
maybe
suggest
some
specific
tactical
things
that
we
could
do
separate
from
this
outdoor
dining
so
that
it's
clear
those
actions
are
clear.
B
The
other
thing
I
would
recommend
for
this
report
is
the
notion
that
this
is
only
addressing
a
certain
part
of
the
city.
You
know
del
mar
the
purebull
area
and
that
there
may
be
other
areas
of
the
city
that
we
should
look
at,
and
that
would
mean-
but
that's
not
included
in
the
scope
of
this,
so
maybe
ask
the
council
for
some
direction
on
the
other
other
elements
of
the
city,
unless
you
want
to
fold
in
if
they
have
a
private
parking
lot,
city-wide,
that's
to
me
was
just
a
little
bit
confusing
right.
B
So
if
that
could
be
clarified
for
next
time,
that
would
be.
That
would
be
good,
and
I
I
just
would
echo
again.
This
is
a
good
proof
of
concept
of
evolving
del
mar
and
to
be
a
more
people
active,
a
more
people
gathering
more
one
of
these
spaces
that
you
know,
increases
vibrancy
of
the
city,
and
so
we
can
be.
It
should
not
just
be
seen
as
this
is
it.
B
A
C
I'm
supportive
of
the
effort.
I
think
it
provides
a
good
vibe
for
the
area,
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
the
expense
for
the
businesses
that
are
need
to
make
the
investment
for
one
year.
So
I
kind
of
think
the
parking
situation
will
take
care
of
itself
because
I
don't
believe
all
the
restaurants
will
pencil
this
out
and,
along
with
the
liquor
license.
That
will
be
needed
at
some
point.
C
So
I'm
full
of
support,
and
somehow
hopefully,
the
ones
that
you
take
advantage
of
it
will
will
be
able
to
enjoy
a
crowded
restaurant
and
the
businesses
around
will
also
enjoy
more
people
coming
just
to
dine
outside.
A
I'm
open
to
the
concept
of
it
being
temporary,
but
I
just
think
it's
another
one
of
the
issues
that
points
to
the
deficiency
of
parking
in
delmar
and
until
we
start
talking
about
ways
to
increase
the
parking,
we're
always
going
to
be
talking
about
parties.
A
It's
like
the
inevitables
okay,
I
am
certainly
in
favor
of
what
design
review
did.
I
think
we
had
a
good
discussion
this
evening,
I'm
comfortable
with
actually
limiting
to
16
outdoor
seats.
A
And
I
don't
see
any
need
to
give
away
that
much
more.
A
And
I
hope
that
we
can
somehow
document
that
in
the
caveat
and
then
I'm
also
still
considering
the
possibility
that
it
is
a
some
kind
of
a
not
conditional
use
permit,
because
that
requires
going
through
all
the
planning
department
and
whatnot,
but
some
kind
of
a
special
event
deal
where,
when
I
went
through
the
the
parking
study,
the
code
and
the
outdoor
dining
code.
There's
a
lot.
A
That's
going
to
change,
to
coordinate
it
with
this,
and
when
we
do
that,
then
we're
going
to
have
to
go
back
and
do
it
again
for
people
on
their
own
parking
lots,
outdoor
dining
and
that
gets
so
complicated
that
if,
for
the
short
term,
we
can
do
it
with
a
permit.
That
is
somewhat
ministerial
with
architectural
review
of
some
sort,
either
in-house
or
development
management,
team
or
whatnot.
A
Okay,
do
you
have
any
comment
on
that
just
off
hand,
now,
okay,
very
good,
I'll,
give
one
more
chance
to
the
public.
If
anybody
wanted
to
step
forward
and
speak
to
what
direction
were
you
given
staff-
and
I
see
none.
D
A
A
Synopsis
of
your
thinking
and
moving
the
meetings
forward
in
the
evening
and
let
everybody
hear
the
justification
and
give
us
their
blessings
that
we
do
that.
A
A
You're,
just
checking
on
availability
of
the
commission
to
yeah
attend
that
schedule
yeah.
So
since
we
have
a
new
commission,
the
thought
has
crept
out
about
whether
we
want
to
continue
having
the
meeting
start
at
at
seven
or
move
them
up
to
six.
A
But
I
I
know
that
in
the
past
we
had
the
meeting
start
at
six,
because
the
study
sessions
were
at
six
and
it
would
be
difficult
for
some
people
to
get
here
before
before
six
to
take
part
in
that.
But
there
are.
There
are
many
times
where
we
don't
have
a
study
session,
and
so
the
meeting
starts
at
seven
and
that
gets
that
just
gets
a
little
late
for
staff
and
some
of
our
consultants
that
helps
out
pretty
good.
A
Potentially,
it
would
be
yeah,
okay,
okay,
very
good.
Any
other
reports
of
commissioners
and
staff.
A
I
would
welcome
motion
to
adjourn.