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C
The
first
item
is
obviously
the
call
to
order.
The
second
item
is
pledge
of
allegiance,
and
commissioner
mccann
will
leave
us
lead
us
in
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
C
The
next
item
is
roll
call.
Mr
otamian,
would
you
call
roll
please.
E
D
Commissioner
mccacken
here,
commissioner
cosgrove
here,
commissioner
camp
notified
me
that
he
would
not
be
in
attendance
tonight
chair
pro
tem
mccann
here.
Vice
chair
tyler
also
requested
absence
from
tonight's
meeting
and
chair
crandall.
Here.
D
So
my
request
would
be
that
the
agenda
in
minutes
reflect
the
reordering
of
the
agenda
so
that
item
9a,
the
zoning
amendment
for
temporary
outdoor
dining
and
parklets
be
reflected
as
item
8
c.
That
item
was
was
noticed
as
a
public
hearing,
but
on
the
agenda
it's
there
was
a
typo.
C
Very
good,
and
would
you
also
introduce
the
person
sitting
in
a
city
attorney
and
I
don't
see
the
planner
who
is
here.
D
Yeah,
absolutely,
sir,
so
tonight
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
assisting
is
alicia
winterswake
she's
sitting
in
for
mal,
who
is
off
today
and
then,
just
as
as
I've
introduced
to
everybody,
we
have
our
new
senior
planner
saratoma.
D
Who
is
this
is
her
fourth
week
with
the
city
and
we
are
excited
to
have
her.
She
comes
from
the
cities
of
san,
diego
and
temecula
brings
a
great
deal
of
experience
and
expertise
to
our
division.
A
A
B
F
F
Good
evening,
commissioners,
commissioner
crowd
I
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
it's
kind
of
hard
to
hear
you
through
zoom.
I
don't
know
if
you
can
do
something
on
your
mic,
but
I
t
should
I
share
my
screen.
F
All
right
so
we're
reviewing
the
piloty
residence
variants
tonight
and
the
project
is
located
at
a
corner
vacant
lot
at
the
intersection
of
villa
monsana
and
hotel
activa
in
the
north
west
end
of
the
city.
The
law
is
also
within
the
residential
low
and
special
residential
one
overlay
district
at
the
borderline
of
the
city
of
san
juan
capistrano.
F
F
F
19
was
subdivided
to
create
a
street
that
went
through
the
middle
that
connected
the
city
of
san
clemente
to
the
city
of
san
juan
capistrano,
and
that
also
resulted
in
two
odd-shaped
blocks,
one
of
which
is
the
subject
lot
south
of
the
street
and
then
also
another
lot
to
the
north
of
that
street.
F
Next
slide
and
this
image
here
shows
the
the
outcome
of
that
subdivision.
So
we
see
in
yellow
what
used
to
be
the
original
lot
19
boundaries,
and
then
we
have
the
subject
lock
down
at
the
bottom
and
then
the
other
lot
that
was
created
at
the
top
next
slide.
F
W
for
us
tonight,
we
have
two
requests.
Two
permits.
The
first
one
is
a
minor
exception,
permit
for
wall,
height
and
side,
rear
setback
deviations,
and
we
also
have
a
variance
request
for
street
facing
garage
and
street
size
setback,
deviations
which
I'll
touch
in
more
detail
in
the
further
slides
next
slide.
F
The
proposed
project
consists
of
a
two-story
single-family
home.
That's
at
2900
square
feet
with
an
attached,
two-car
garage
and
rooftop
decks
and
to
the
right
you
can
see
3d
rendering
of
the
project
next
slide.
F
So
again,
the
minor
exception
permit
deviations
deal
with
side
and
rear
yard
setback
reductions.
F
In
this
case,
the
side
would
be
down
at
the
bottom
of
the
image
to
the
right,
and
then
the
rear
would
be
to
the
right
of
the
image
on
the
far
right,
and
then
we
have
again
a
wall
height
limit
deviation,
which
it's
not
clearly
shown
here,
but
we'll
go
ahead
and
touch
on
it
and
for
the
slides
next
slide,
and
then
the
variance
deviations
mainly
just
deals
with
two
reductions:
we're
talking
about
a
street
facing
garage,
a
setback
reduction
and
a
street
side
yard
setback
reduction,
which
is
from
the
top
red
line.
F
We
see
on
the
image
next
slide,
so
I
wanted
to
bring
up
and
note
some
findings
here
for
variances,
so
we're
on
the
same
page.
So
in
order
for
the
commission
to
support
a
variance,
you
must
make
findings,
one
of
them
being
that
we
must
find
a
special
circumstance
exist
on
the
lot
that
wouldn't
allow
the
property
owner
to
enjoy
the
lot
as
neighboring
owners,
which
this
relates
to
size
of
the
lot
shape,
topography,
the
location
or
surroundings.
F
We
also
must
make
a
finding
that
the
variance
is
necessary
to
preserve
property
rights.
We
must
have
conditions
of
approval
that
assure
that
no
special
privilege
will
be
granted
and
we
must
make
it
finding
that
the
variance
will
not
be
detrimental
to
the
public
health
safety
or
welfare,
and
also
that
the
variance
will
be
consistent
with
the
general
plan.
F
So,
with
regards
to
unique
circumstances,
the
staff
first
wants
to
touch
on
the
the
lot
type.
It
is
a
corner
lot
for
corner
lots.
It
could
be
challenging
sometimes
depending
on
the
size,
because,
in
addition
to
the
standard
front
yard
setback,
we
also
have
a
street
side
yard
setback
that
further
reduces
the
building
envelope.
So
that's
what
you
find
here
as
well.
F
I
have
a
table
shown
on
the
image
here
that
shows
the
the
square
footage
of
the
lot,
along
with
the
average
width
of
that
lot,
compared
to
other
lots
within
the
city
of
san
clemente,
and
we
do
see
that
it
is.
It
is
a
fairly
small
lot
compared
to
the
I
believe,
they're,
like
10
other
properties.
There
next
slide.
F
On
the
garage,
this
is
again
one
of
the
requests
under
the
variance
is
to
reduce
the
street
facing
garage
setback.
The
required
setback
for
street
facing
garage
is
18.
The
proposal
here
is
for
five
feet.
So
when
it
comes
to
these
requests,
the
city
is
looking
at
the
distance
from
the
face
of
a
garage
to
the
sidewalk.
So
in
the
past
we
have
supported
such
reductions
if
the
reduction
is
short
enough,
not
to
tempt
a
vehicle
to
park
there
and
obstruct
the
the
sidewalk.
F
So
the
dmt
development
management
team
did
review
this
and
supports
it.
We
did
review
vehicle
line
of
sight
of
potential
issues
and
did
not
find
any.
We
also
did
have
conditions
of
approval
that
memorialized
the
vehicle
traffic
code,
which
prohibit
any
vehicle
obstructing
the
sidewalk
and
to
further
us
apply
to
the
code.
We
added
a
condition
that
the
the
interior
garage
space
be
maintained,
clear
and
free
from
obstruction.
F
So
another
notable
part
of
this
project
is
the
fight
foot
high
fence.
So
we
see
to
the
right.
We
see
it
in
the
blue
line,
so
that
runs
across
the
what's
considered
per
our
code.
The
front
lot
line,
and
then
it
jogs
over
to
the
street
side
lot
line
required
or
the
limit
here
in
this
in
these
areas
is
three
feet:
six
inches
and
they're,
asking
for
an
increase
in
height
up
to
five
feet
and
that'll,
allow
the
the
property
owner
to
meet
a
pool
safety
barrier
as
well.
F
Since
we
do
have
a
water
feature
that
is
more
than
24
inches
in
depth,
we
did
add
a
condition
of
approval
as
well.
That
would
require
the
the
property
or
to
maintain
transparency
of
that
fence
right
now.
What
the
proposed
material
is
is
about
iron
black
raw
iron
fencing.
So
we
would
require
that
in
the
future
that
defense
may
be
remain
or
maintain
transparent.
F
This
project
was
also
routed
to
the
design
review
subcommittee.
It
was
presented
on
september
29th
of
last
year
and
they
were
supportive
of
the
project
and
they
did
ask
that
the
applicant
provide
further
information
to
confirm
the
the
height
of
the
building
would
be
in
compliance,
so
they
did
provide
that
and
it
was
a
combination
of
some
information
being
cleaned
up
on
the
elevation
drawings,
as
well
as
revising
the
height
analysis,
so
staff
did
find
that
the
proposed
height
is
in
compliance
with
the
with
the
code
next
slide.
F
F
Next
slide
so
per
staff's
analysis
in
the
staff
report,
staff
is
recommending
that
the
planning
commission
make
the
required
findings,
for
a
minor
exception,
permit
and
variance
that
the
planning
commission
determined
the
project
is
categorically
exempt
from
the
requirements
of
the
california
environmental
quality
act
and
approve
the
project
subject
to
conditions
of
approval.
And
that
concludes
my
presentation
and
we
do
have
the
applicant
available
as
well.
For
your
presentation.
Any
questions.
C
Thank
you
david.
Let's
have
the
applicant
speak
if
they
would
like
to
and
while
you're
walking
up
I'm
going
to
try
to
change
this
microphone
out.
C
Sounds
better
yep,
yes,
okay,
great
introduce
yourself
and
let's
see
I
have
two
cards.
We've
got.
C
G
H
G
And
start
my
name
is
jim
conrad,
I'm
the
project,
architect
and
I'll
be
presenting
the
project
tonight.
But
before
I
get
started
the
owner,
mr
polotti
would
like
to
just
say
a
few
words
to
the
commission
and
then
I'll
make
my
presentation.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
A
First
of
and
foremost
I'd
like
to
thank
your
staff
for
their
hard
work
and
their
tutorial
work,
they
were
tough,
but
at
the
same
time
we
found
that
you
know
they
are.
They
were
fair.
So
thank
you
to
your
staff.
We
also
understand
the
concerns
of
our
neighbors,
raise
you
know.
Many
concerns
were
raised
and
we
understand
that
change
is
always
difficult.
A
We
held
an
open
house
back
in
january
and
brought
an
associate
from
mr
conrad's
office
to
answer
any
questions
or
address
any
concerns
that
we
might
get
from
neighbors.
The
event
was
successful
from
our
perspective.
It
was
well
attended.
A
We
got
many
feedback
and
comments,
and
just
to
give
you
an
example,
you
know
one
of
our
neighbors
had
a
concern
about
privacy
in
their
family
pool
area,
which
is
our
trees,
do
provide
their
privacy
and
we
have
to
take
some
of
them
down,
but
we
made
a
commitment
to
our
neighbors
that
we
would
replace
them
with.
You
know
tall
hedges
to
give
them
the
privacy
that
they
deserve.
A
Also
on
a
voluntary
basis.
We
placed
a
story
polls
to
show
that
you
know
where
the
building
would
be
situated
so
to
give
a
better
perspective
to
our
neighbors,
so
they
could
see
that
and
also
to
make
sure
that
the
building
would
not
impede
anyone's
view
in
the
area
and
which
it
doesn't,
because
our
house
sits
right
above
that
and
of
course
we
don't
want
to
impede
our
own
view
with
some
other
neighbors.
A
You
know
we
agree
that
we
disagree,
but
our
hope
is
mean
us,
and
mine
is
that
we
do
not
take
this
personally,
regardless
of
what
you
decide
and
what
you
approve
and
we
live
the
way
we've
lived
in
the
last.
We
have
lived
in
last
17
years
on
the
same
street
and
have
had
good
all
of
our
neighbors,
and
we
want
to
continue
that
again.
A
I'd
like
to
emphasize
that,
regardless
of
what
decision
is
made
and
finally
I'd
like
to
share
with
you
what
we
want
to
do
with
the
property,
you
know
we
are
not
into
the
building
it
flipping
it
and
selling
it
and
get
profit
out
of
it.
Actually,
it
will
be
billed
for
my
newlywed
daughter,
who
recently
graduated
from
usc
and
her
husband.
A
My
daughter
grew
up
in
san
clemente
and
went
to
schools
elementary
school
middle
school
in
san
clemente
and
both
my
daughter
and
her
husband.
They
look
forward
to
raising
their
kids
in
the
news,
the
new
you
know
proposed
project,
and
then
I'm
hoping
that
you'll
give
us
approval.
You
know
to
make
sure
that
we
enjoy
and
exercise
our
property
event.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
G
I
I
sent
a
powerpoint
in
and
off
who's
going
to
run
that
they
can
bring
it
up.
Maybe
there
it
is
I'll,
try
and
keep
my
presentation
brief.
The
as
akbar
said
the
proposed
home
is,
is
intended
to
be
for
his
daughter.
You
go
to
the
next
slide.
G
The
home
was
designed
to
be
within
the
compatible
with
the
pattern
of
development
in
the
neighborhood.
The
site
is
our
next
slide.
Please
the
site,
as
david
said,
it's
it's
very
kind
of
long
and
narrow
and
when
you
apply
the
setbacks
being
on
a
corner
lot,
it
just
doesn't
leave
much
building
area
left
and
that's
the
reason
we're
asking
for
the
variances
next
slide
here
you
can
see
the
setback
area
and
the
areas
that
were
were
asking
to
encroach
into
the
setback
areas.
G
The
other
thing
I
thought
of
note
is
that
you
can
see
the
property
lines
are
well
behind.
The
setback
behind.
Excuse
me,
the
back
of
sidewalk,
and
so
the
house
is
not
right
on
top
of
the
sidewalk,
even
though
it's
closer
to
the
setback
to
the
property
lines
that
would
normally
be
allowed
next
slide.
G
The
shows
again,
we
talked
we
work
with
staff
on
the
placement
of
the
garage,
and
actually
we
originally
had
the
garage
set
back
a
little
bit
further
and
they
suggested
we
move
it
closer
to
the
sidewalk,
so
people
wouldn't
be
tempted
to
park
across
the
sidewalk,
and
this
slide
here
shows
that
there
are
several
other
homes
in
the
neighborhood
that
have
their
garages
very
close
to
the
front
property
line.
Next
slide,
please
here's
one
right
here
and
then
next
slide
there's
another
and
those
are
just
right
around
the
corner.
G
Next
slide,
please
here
you
can
see
it's
a
little
hard
to
see
on
these
slides,
but
we
did
install
some
story.
Poles.
We
put
those
up
to
make
sure
we
weren't
blocking
anybody's
views
and
to
kind
of
demonstrate
to
the
the
neighbors.
What
the
mass
and
scale
of
the
home
will
be
next
slide,
please
just
another
shot
of
the
staking
and
then
one
more.
G
G
One
neighbor
brought
up
the
fact
that
the
lot
or
asserted
the
lot
was
was
too
small
to
be
developed,
and
one
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out
is:
while
the
square
footage
of
the
lot
is
smaller
than
most
in
the
area,
it's
all
usable
flat,
relatively
flat
and
all
usable,
and
this
I
kind
of
boxed
just
a
couple
of
lots.
You
know
right
in
this
general
same
vicinity
just
around
the
corner.
They
have
little
pads
and
then
they're,
mostly
sloped
areas.
So
the
usable
area
is
probably
similar
in
size.
Next
slide.
G
This
is
the
just
a
topography
map
showing
showing
that
you
know.
Most
of
the
lot
is
flat.
Then
there's
a
little
bit
sloping
at
the
back
we'll
we
have
our
legal
council
here
with
us.
If
you
have
any
questions,
there's
been
some
legal
questions
brought
up,
and
so
we
have
him
here
in
attendance
to
answer
your
questions
and
I'm
also
available
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have.
Thank
you
thank.
C
You
very
much
before
you
step
away
how
about
just
giving
a
quick
synopsis
of
your
design
approach
to
reducing
the
mass
along
the
street
by
stepping
back
versus
just
following
setback
lines.
G
Okay,
so
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
is
that
that
we
did
and
we
do
on
all
of
our
projects,
so
part
of
how
projects
can
seem
very
massive
if
they
have
two-story
volumes
that
just
really
just
go
straight
up,
so
we
always
try
and
as
the
building
gets
taller,
we
try
and
set
it
back
so
it
even
though
it's
a
little
we're
asking
for
some
variants
to
be
closer
to
the
into
the
setbacks,
we're
stepping
the
upper
areas
back
to
lessen
the
mass
and
scale.
So.
G
C
I
will
open
up
for
questions
from
commissioners
if
they
have
one
for
either
staff
or
the
applicant
or
their
attorney.
D
Yes,
the
term
bait-
and
I
apologize
commissioner
mccacken.
Thank
you
for
that
question.
The
the
term
vacancy
is
it's
applied
to
uninhabited
properties,
so
currently,
this
lot
on
its
own
does
not
have
a
structure
that
somebody
can
live
in.
E
I
too
drove
out
this
weekend.
You
know,
can
you
hear
me
okay,
I
feel
like
I
in
a
hole
back
here.
Okay,
so
one
of
the
letters
that
came
in
had
a
question
about
the
rooftop
deck.
So
I
have
a
question
for
mr
conrad
since
you're
the
architect.
Can
you
tell
us
exactly
where
that
rooftop
deck
would
look
over
or
is
it
too
close
to
a
property?
Is
there
there
was
a
concern?
Okay,.
G
Yeah
again,
maybe
if
you
could
bring
up
that
3d
slide,
we
can.
I
can
show
where
it
is
it's
kind
of
in
the
center
of
the
site,
and
it
doesn't.
It
looks
to
the
ocean
the
reason
that
we
have
it.
It's
the
only
really,
the
only
part
of
the
house
that
will
have
any
ocean
view.
So
a
little
there.
G
You
go
a
little
hard
for
me
to
see
even
from
here,
but
it
would
basically
it's
it's
in
kind
of
in
the
center
of
the
house
on
top
of
the
second
level,
and
it
looks,
we
have
glass
railings
looking
out
towards
the
ocean,
and
so
it's
not
there's.
We
don't
believe,
there's
any
privacy
issues.
G
Well,
it
just
sits
on
the
roof
of
the
second
story,
and
so
there
would
be
a
railing
which
would
be
42
inches
above
the
deck
height
it's
glass
and
it's
within
the
allowable
building
height
limit.
G
B
Have
a
couple
questions,
a
couple
questions,
probably
one
for
zach.
Does
this
or
david
does
this?
Have
an
ada
sidewalk
around
the
drive
approach.
B
B
I
read
a
variety
of
letters
in
opposition
to
the
to
the
proposed
project
and
making
some
certain
claims,
and
it
seemed
to
me
that
the
letter
writers
were
trying
to
apply
conditions
of
approval
that
were
on
the
san,
juan
capistrano
lots
or
tracts
onto
this
lot,
which
is
in
san
clemente.
Is
that
an
accurate
assessment.
I
That
is
the
way
I
I
read
them,
commissioner
mckinnon,
and
I
I
tried
to
address
those
in
one
of
my
letters.
The
track
in
san
juan
capistrano
is
9284
and
the
track
that
this
house
is
in
is
48.50
and
there
may
have
been
some
property
development
standards
that
were
initiated
by
the
city
of
san
juan
capistrano
that
might
apply
to
9284,
but
they
don't
apply
to
4850.
Just
like
your
municipal.
I
C
B
C
Only
comment
would
be
the
city
attorney
office
reviewed
this,
and
they
are
in
agreement
with
the
applicant's
interpretation.
C
C
Well,
my
cards
are
not
in
that
order,
so
I
will
call
them
and
you
can
I'll
call
three.
I
don't
say
how
are
we
gonna
do
this.
A
Good
evening
my
name
is
john
conley
c-o-n-l-e-y
I've
lived
along
with
my
wife,
who's
present
sharon
in
san
clemente
for
29
years.
Ours
is
a
lot
across
the
street
diagonally
across
the
street
from
this
project
and
we
are
against
it
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
Some
of
the
reasons
will
be
repeated
by
the
other
speakers.
A
A
A
The
project
involves
seven
violations
of
city
rules,
seven,
including
very
serious
violations
of
city
rules,
not
20
feet
setback
only
five
feet,
that's
the
most
striking
one
and
then
the
size
of
the
building
compared
to
the
lot
the
width
of
the
building
compared
to
the
lot,
mr
cunningham
will
go
through
that
with
you,
our
main
concern
and
everyone
gets
along
well
with
mr
and
mrs
pilate:
that's
not
the
issue,
it's
property
values
and
things
like
that.
A
A
This
is
much
larger
than
the
other
homes
in
san
clemente,
and
that
ignores
the
fact
that
most
of
the
street
on
paseo
activo
is
in
san
juan.
So
it's
nice
to
say:
well
it
it's
half
the
size
of
the
san
clemente,
lots
and
kind
of
ignore
the
whole
street.
You
see
it's
a
difficult
issue,
because
this
is
right
on
the
border.
A
Okay,
so
I
don't
think
you
can
take
the
position,
will
ignore
san
clemente
and
how
it
fits
in
ignore
san
juan
and
how
it
fits
there.
At
least
three
mature
trees
have
to
be
taken
out,
and
I
think
mr
pilate
agrees
with
that.
The
garage
has
to
be
kept
free
of
obstructions.
A
C
Time's
up
all
right,
thank
you.
Next
is
richard
dunn
and
then,
following
richard
dunn,
is
jim
boyd.
C
K
Hi
good
evening,
I'm
rachel
I'm
a
little
nervous.
I
live
at
4018,
kaya,
bienvenido,
I'm
directly
behind
akbar
biloti's
house
and
his
existing
home,
and
his
second
lot
is
also
directly
behind
my
house.
So
part
of
his
home
is
behind
my
house.
Then
it
goes
up
and
then
his
basically
his
entire
lot.
K
K
That's
when
I
kind
of
went
I'm
not
sure
anymore
like
if
I
can
be
behind
it
and
say
I
fully
support
this
project
and
I
realize
like
it's
for
his
family,
and
I
love
that-
and
I
understand
that,
but
I
have
to
protect
my
property
rights,
and
I
I
know
for
a
fact
that
the
the
survey
that
he
gave
me
that
he
handed
me
yesterday
was
rather
insulting
it's
a
topographic
map.
K
This
survey
in
no
way
represents
legal
boundaries
between
me
and
mr
akbar
or
mr
palodi,
sorry
for
them
to
come
and
tell
me
that
they
won't
be
making
me
take
my
fence
down
because
they
own
two
feet
of
property.
On
my
side
of
the
fence,
I
was
blown
away.
I
was
like,
first
of
all,
who
told
you
that
if
you
think
you're
gonna
get
it
from
a
topographic
map
that
your
architect
got
from
somebody.
That's
not
even
stamped.
K
K
K
L
Good
evening
try
and
go
quick
here
at
foxy
to
cut
everybody
off.
My
name
is
jim
boyd,
I'm
at
40,
20,
kai
bienvenido,
I'm
probably
the
resident
most
affected
by
the
proposed
lot.
We
are
the
long
end
of
the
yard
that
you
saw
backs
up
to
our
backyard,
certainly
echo
what
everybody
else
says:
super
nice
people
we
love
having
them
as
a
neighbor.
It's
stressful
to
be
here
and
go
through
this,
but
we
get
it
so.
The
few
concerns
we
thought
we
would
bring
up
is,
first
of
all
the
setback
requirement.
L
My
understanding
is:
there's
a
request
to
vary
that
by
a
foot
to
come
five
feet
within
our
property
line.
You
know
our
understanding
of
a
setback
requirement
is
that's
there
to
maintain
consistency,
provide
separation
of
compatible
land
spaces,
ensure
landscaping,
privacy,
etc,
and
so,
if
that's
the
code,
if
that's
a
requirement,
we
would
ask
that
you
actually
enforce
that
code
and
that
requirement
for
what
its
intended
purpose.
L
Why
do
we
ask
that
so
our
backyard,
which
would
go
right
against
where
they're
going
to
construct?
We
have
a
pool
and
a
hot
tub
and
a
barbecue
back
there,
and
so
actually
our
barbecue
is
right
kind
of
close
to
that
fence,
so
our
heat
and
smoke
and
stuff
would
come
up,
and
so
an
extra
foot
or
whatever
that
extra
space
would,
I
think,
be
preferred
for
them
and
for
us
as
well
further
along
the
yard,
we
have
a
sun
deck
area
where
we
lay
out.
L
We
also
have
a
hot
tub
and
I
think
that
would
be
underneath
where
their
proposed
deck
is,
and
so
the
closer
you
bring
that
to
our
yard.
The
more
likely
something
comes
off
that
deck
comes
into
our
yard
and
could
theoretically,
you
know,
hit
somebody
but
the
farther
away,
the
less
that
that
risk
is
there.
So
these
are
some
of
the
reasons
why
we
would
ask
you
to
maintain
the
the
normal
setback
and
there's
privacy.
It's
a
pool.
L
You
know
we
put
our
pool
clothes
on
and
my
kids
put
their
pool
clothes
on,
and
some
of
us
are
more
in
shape
than
others.
But
you
know
privacy
is
helpful
and
the
further
away
it
is
the
more
privacy
we'll
have
and
on
the
privacy
front
there
are
some
mature
trees.
There
they'll
have
to
pull
those
trees
down.
He
was
kind
enough
to
offer
to
try
and
find
alternative
natural
screening,
but
the
closer
that
is
the
harder
that
becomes
so
back
to
the
original
distance
just
gives
us
options
there.
L
So
that's
those
are
the
reasons
we
asked
for
that
mirroring
with
rachel
had
said
they
were
kind
enough
to
put
story
poles
in
so
we
could
actually
see
where
this
property
was
going
to
be.
We
thought
it
was
between
five
or
six
feet
and
we
went
and
looked
at
the
story,
poles
and
I
can
almost
touch
it
from
from
where
the
fence
is
so
it's
two
to
three
feet
range.
L
What
we
found
out
is
there's
a
an
assumption
that
the
property
line
going
myself
up
into
rachel's
house
might
actually
be
on
the
other
side
of
where
the
fence
is,
the
fence
has
been
there
20
30
years.
I
don't
know
what,
but,
and
so
what
we
would
ask
is
so
we
asked
for
a
you
know.
I
spoke
to
a
survey
company.
L
They
gave
us
a
topography
map
a
copy
of
that,
and
so
my
understanding
is
that's
not
an
official
document
for
the
property
line,
and
so
I
don't
know
if
this
is
the
right
venue
or
format,
but
before
anything
gets
a
doug
approved.
What
have
you
we
would
ask
that
some
processes
in
place
to
ensure
the
property
line
is
officially
set
and
okay.
C
And
next
will
be
gene
lee
salam
now,
you'll
be
second
right.
After
this
just
give
you
a
heads
up.
H
H
As
geological
testing
taken
place
to
determine
the
possible
consequence
of
moving
massive
quantities
of
soil,
not
withstanding
the
presentation
of
the
pilots
archetype,
it's
not
a
flat
piece.
In
fact,
in
order
to
situate
such
a
large
home
on
that
turf,
massive
amounts
of
dirt
are
going
to
have
to
be
removed.
H
Some
years
ago
during
an
earthquake,
water
poured
from
the
house
above
27002
and
just
to
make
a
side
comment.
It
was
occupied
by
my
daughter
and
her
family,
and
I
appreciate
the
floaty
sentiment
of
wanting
their
children
to
be
nearby,
but
yet
one
year
later,
they
moved
to
take
advantage
of
a
new
job
opportunity,
the
water
cascaded
from
their
backyard
down
through
ours
and
then
ultimately,
to
camino
or
camino
las
robles.
H
C
And
after
this
will
be
richard
youtus
after
the
next
one,
no
you're
up
you're
up
just
I'm
giving
a
warning.
A
M
Good
evening,
commissioners,
how
are
you
I'm
here
in
support
of
this
lot?
Believe
it
or
not
seems
to
be
a
contrary
person?
Here
I
was
one
of
the
few
people
that
was
able
to
attend
mr
pilate's
open
house
where
he
came
in
and
had
his
architect
there.
So
we
could
review
the
property.
We
were
able
to
ask
questions
of
the
architect,
and
I
was
able
to
see
whether
setbacks
were
going
to
sit
at
this
point
in
time.
M
M
I
see
no
reason
why
that
wouldn't
be
done
as
it's
done
on
every
other
building
law.
So
at
this
point
in
time,
I
don't
see
that
it
would
be
an
obstruction
to
anyone.
It's
not
going
to
be
blocking
anyone's
view
that
we
can
see
it
does
possibly
overlook
the
gentleman's
pool
who
is
up
prior
to
me,
but
again
mr
palladius
said
that
he's
willing
to
put
up
hedges
and
bushes
and
whatever
is
required
there
and
realistically.
M
M
C
N
N
N
If
you
take
sections
15301
15305
they're
about
negligible
minor
alterations,
section
15332
is
about
being
consistent
with
applicable
regulations
among
the
building
requirements
for
track
4850
lot.
19
are
minimum
lot
area
and
minimum
lot
width.
The
minimum
lot
area
for
track.
4850
is
7200
square
feet.
N
N
N
H
G
Thank
you.
This
is
jim
conrad
again
just
I
want
to
respond
to
some
of
the
things
that
are
brought
up.
First
of
all,
I
wanted
just
to
touch
on
the
square
footage
of
the
house.
The
square
footage
of
the
house
is
just
over
2
300
square
feet,
plus
the
garage
it
is
not
2
900.
We
typically
don't
count
the
garage
in
the
square,
livable
house
with
regard
to
the
fence.
It
was
brought
to
our
attention
once
the
story
pulls.
G
Let
me
finish
so:
we
we
contracted
a
surveyor
to
provide
the
topography
map.
We
have
not
yet
done
what
is
called
a
record
of
survey
and
the
neighbor
rachel
she's
she's,
correct
architects,
we're
not
surveyors.
We
don't
know
how
to
establish
property
lines.
We
work
from
the
documents
that
are
given
to
us.
G
We
will
be
contracting
a
record
of
survey,
it's
a
process
where
the
surveyor
goes
to
the
closest
point,
that's
recorded
with
the
county
and
they
kind
of
work
their
way
to
the
property
and
when
they
do
that,
sometimes
the
line
moves
a
couple
of
inches.
So
we
will
undertake
that.
I
I
don't
know
whether
the
city
of
san
clemente
requires
a
record
survey
prior
to
construction.
Some
cities
do,
but
we
are
were
committed
to
do
that,
and
we
would
agree
to
a
condition
of
approval
to
have
a
record
of
survey
done
at
our
expense.
G
In
in
many
areas,
the
site
setback
is
only
five
feet,
so
that's
the
reason
that
we
asked
for
that
variance
after
looking
at
the
story,
poles-
and
you
know
the
potential
that
the
neighbors
fence
is
potentially
on
the
pilot's
property
a
couple
of
feet,
we
would
request
that
the
planning
commission
make
a
condition
of
approval
where
we
would
not
that
we
would
respect
the
six
foot
side,
yard
setback,
because
it's
kind
of
the
closest
spot.
G
We
would
propose
that
we
just
move
the
house
as
its
design,
one
foot
closer
to
the
street,
because
there's
plenty
of
room
on
that
side.
We
would
the
garage
we
would
modify
and
make
one
foot
shallower.
So
it'd
still
be
five
feet
from
the
property
line.
The
rest
of
the
house
would
remain
the
same,
and
I
think
that
I
think
it's
a
fair
concern
that
the
neighbors
brought
up-
and
you
know
the
pilots
want
to
be-
they
want
to
be
good
neighbors
to
their
neighbors.
G
G
They
put
a
pool
in
they
had
a
geology
report.
They
did
excavations.
The
the
site
is
under
lane
with
a
bedrock
material
called
san
onofre
breccia,
it's
harder
than
concrete
stands
vertical,
very
strong.
G
C
A
I
The
staff
made
the
sequence,
the
environmental
compliance
findings
under
15
305
and
a
class
5
exemption
and
class
32
exemption
for
infill
development
projects,
and
I
just
wanted
to
address
the
fact
that
these
findings
were
made
because
the
project
involves
the
construction
of
a
single-family
residence
on
a
slope
with
less
than
20
percent,
and
it's
located
within
a
developed
residential
neighborhood
that
has
existing
utility
services.
I
want
to
note
that
this
does
not
this
property
does
not
create
any
lot
line.
I
Adjustment
does
not
create
any
new
parcel
seeks
to
develop
an
existing
legal
building
site.
The
a
portion
of
lot
19
was
dedicated
for
a
public
street
that
left
and
created
two
odd
lots
that
cry
out,
and
this
one
needs
a
variance
in
order
to
be
developed
and
used.
So
thank
you
for
your
time
and
your
consideration,
and
I
I
really
want
to
let
the
the
pub
those
who
made
public
comments
tonight
know
how
enjoyable
it
is
to
be
in
a
city
where
people
are
actually
cordial
at
these
things.
C
Thank
you.
Okay,
any
other
public
comment.
We
will
close
the
public
comment,
portion
and
open
it
up
to
discussion
and
before
we
start
our
discussion,
zach
you're
there.
This
is
our
engineer
with
the
city.
H
H
What
we
require
from
two
different
things
from
the
engineering
department
will
require,
what's
called
a
line
and
grade
letter
from
the
engineer
of
record
and
what
that
entails
is
they
will
provide
a
certification
stamped
by
a
licensed
professional
stating
that
the
house
is
in
the
proper
location,
as
shown
on
the
plans
that
is
usually
regarding
the
setback
and
the
location
of
the
property
line.
So
from
an
engineering
department
we
require,
what's
called
lighting
grade
letters
from
the
building
department.
That's
a
little
different,
I'm
not
in
the
building
department,
but
my
understanding
is.
H
For
that
setback
and
saying
that
the
footings
are
in
the
right
location,
they
also
do
the
same
thing
with
roof
line
elements
and
require
certification
by
surveyors
of
those
certain
elements
of
the
building.
But
to
answer
your
question,
we
do
not
require
a
boundary
of
survey
or
a
record
of
survey
at
this
time.
C
Have
you
experienced
a
condition
of
approval
or
a
certified
survey
was
required.
C
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
for
david.
Do
you
have
any
comments
on
the
sequa
finding
over
and
above
what's
in
your
report,.
J
Thank
you,
chair
crandall
and
members
of
the
commission.
I
did
want
to
just
add
to
the
sql
findings
that
are
in
your
packet
tonight
a
little
bit
of
information.
So
this
is
a
single-family
residence.
As
we
all
know,
it's.
It's
clear
that
we're
talking
about
one
structure
and
there
is
another
sql
exemption
that
exists
for
a
single
family
residence
that
stands
alone,
15,
303,
subdivision
a
would
authorize
the
city
to
exempt
the
project
as
a
single
family
residence
with
none
of
the
other
stipulations
that
come
in
15,
305
or
15
332..
J
C
Okay,
we
will
start
discussion
we'd
like
to
jump
in.
B
Good
evening
I
have
kind
of
a
lot
to
say:
I've.
I've
been
to
the
site
multiple
times.
I
am
on
the
design
review
subcommittee,
so
we
looked
at
and
analyzed
the
project
in
detail
at
that
level
before
it
ever
came
here.
B
B
It
doesn't
sound
like
it
was
a
boundary
survey,
but,
as
zack
said,
the
applicant
will
have
to
have
an
engineer
certify
that
the
home
is
built
in
the
right
place
and
they're
gonna
have
to
go
out
and
find
the
property
corners
to
be
able
to
make
that
statement
and
they'll
put
their
license
on
the
line
in
doing
so.
If
the
fence
is
not
in
the
right
place,
someone
has
been
enjoying
someone
else's
land
for
years.
B
Additionally,
the
surveyor
will
also
have
to
certify
the
height
so
before
the
concrete
gets
poured.
The
surveyor
has
to
certify
the
forms
so
that
they
don't
pour
the
concrete
in
the
wrong
spot
after
the
framing.
The
certified
surveyor
also
has
to
come
back
and
certify
the
height
of
the
building
that
it's
not
built.
Overly
tall,
I'm
okay,
shifting
the
home,
the
applicant
offered
shift
the
home
one
foot
closer
to
the
street
and
eliminate
that
side
yard
set
back.
I
honestly
don't
think
that's
going
to
make
much
of
a
difference.
B
B
B
The
other
homes
in
the
area
are
big
and
beautiful.
I
actually
think
this
home
is
very
well
designed
and
beautiful,
given
a
very
challenging
site.
Someone
brought
up
that.
Well,
the
lot
can't
be
allowed
per
law
because
it's
too
small
and
too
narrow-
it's
what's
called
a
legal
non-conforming
lot,
so
the
lot
exists
for
whatever
reason
it
sounds
like
it
was
to
give
the
right
of
way
for
the
streets
way
back
when
in
whatever
year,
that
was
the
street
that
you
enjoy
to
get
back
to
your
homes
in
san
juan
capistrano.
B
B
C
A
O
That
was
thank
you
for
that.
There's
been
an
issue
presented
tonight
that
I
want
the
city's
take
on
it,
which
is
the
potential
deed
restriction
on
the
lot.
O
D
And
requesting
requesting
the
deed
themselves
prior
to
a
project
is
not
are,
does
not
understand,
yeah,
I
think
not
a
typical
process.
What
I
can
tell
you
is
that
the
information
that
was
provided
as
as
in
relation
to
this
project,
where
the
information
about
such
a
restriction
was
was
said
to
have
been
located,
has
been
reviewed
by
staff,
and
we
we,
along
with
the
city
attorney's
office,
do
not
find
that
any
of
those
documents
do
actually
limit
the
use
of
this
property.
D
Furthermore,
city
staff
did
research
in
our
own
records
to
find
something
that
the
the
neighbors
may
not
have
had
access
to
or
at
the
time
that
they
were
concerned,
and
the
city
cannot
find
any
restrictions
that
would
limit
the
use
of
this
property
to
be
to
be
something
other.
You
know
to
not
to
precluding
what
the
applicants
are
proposing
at
this
time.
O
I
mean
to
me
a
deed
restriction:
restricting
someone's
private
property
to
a
public
use
is
a
big
deal
and
it
would
be
discoverable.
Clearly,
it's
not
an
opaque
issue,
it's
very
it's
either
there
or
not
there,
and
I
would
imagine
that
the
property
owner
would
have
pretty
good
awareness
of
that.
But
from
what
you're
telling
me
is,
there's
been
a
review
of
the
and
and
actually
that
restriction
would
probably
would
have
been
put
on
by
the
city.
O
If
there
was
one,
so
there
would
be
a
record
of
it.
I
would
imagine
somewhere
and
what
you're
saying
is
you
haven't
found
it?
You
see.
D
No
disaster
potentially,
but
ultimately,
that
the
deed
restrictions
are
a
if
they're
they're
a
private
party
issue.
Where
you
know
anybody
can
make
an
application
on
a
piece
of
property.
It's
up
to
it's
up
to
the
applicant
to
ensure
that
a
myriad
of
things
are
are
met,
and,
and
so,
if
there,
if
there
is
a
deed
restriction
which,
as
I
stated
before,
staff
cannot
find
any
record
of
that
that
that
that
would
provide
legal
recourse
for
for
others.
But
that's
just
not
something
that
the
city
city
would
would.
J
Thank
you
very
much,
commissioner
cosgrove
and
chair
crendle.
If
I
may
just
quickly
state
that
if
there
were
a
deed
restriction
of
this
sort
on
the
property,
it
should
show
up
on
a
title
report
and
you
know,
should
be
open
and
notorious
for
anyone
interested
in
the
property
to
be
able
to
locate.
And
I
think
what
adam
is
saying
is
the
information
that
was
provided
in
support
of
the
application
where
the
owner
has
to
attest
to
its
rights
to
actually
file
the
application.
J
All
of
that
documentation
did
not
show
such
a
deed
restriction
on
it,
and
these.
O
O
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
not
in
the
area
of
conspiracy,
it's
public.
If
somebody
thinks
there's
a
deed
restriction,
they
should
get
a
copy
of
the
deed
and
bring
it
forward.
So
we
can
so
it
can
be
observed
and
noted,
and
I
you
know
I'm
assuming-
that
the
applicant's
attorney
has
done
his
due
diligence
on
that
and
determined
that
there
is
no
such
restriction.
But
that's
really
up
to
them
to
to
do
that.
H
H
Something
speaking
this
is
zach
with
your
zac
bonson,
your
acting
public
works
director.
We
did
receive
a
title
report
and
all
the
background
documentation
with
this
application.
We
that
was
one
of
the
first
things
we
asked
for,
and
so
in
staff's
initial
analysis,
we
did
get
a
title
report.
We
did
review
that
data
report
and
asked
for
links
to
all
attached
documents
in
there.
I
there
was
no
restriction
shown
on
that
title
report.
H
There
was
evidence
of
the
street
dedication
that
was
included
in
david's
presentation
and
that
that
exhibit
and
dedication
in
there
is
pretty
clear
that
it
was
dedication
of
just
the
street.
C
O
So
I
I
would
invite
you,
if
you
have
a
copy
of
the
deed,
that
you
think
shows
a
restriction.
Please
give
it
to
our
city
attorney
representative
and
have
she
can
have
the
opportunity
to
see
that
not
tonight,
but
it
would
be
good
for
her
to
have
as
part
of
the
process.
O
Just
to
continue,
as
far
as
the
geological
concerns
I
mean,
I
think
those
have
been
addressed.
The
only
thing
I
would
add
is,
I
think
the
risk
is
to
the
applicant
with
respect
to
any
issues
with
that
site,
as
it
relates
to
really,
if
anything
would
be
drainage.
O
O
I
think
the
only
issue
is
really
on
him,
which
would
be
to
address
proper
drainage
so
that
he
doesn't
have
a
property
that
becomes
damaged
by
those
kind
and
I've
seen
that
in
many
hillside
homes,
where
the
drainage
isn't
properly
accounted
for
and
all
of
a
sudden,
you
do
have
issues
with
the
with
the
property.
So
that
would
be
really
the
only
issue
I
see
from
that
perspective
and
that's
really
on
the
on
the
applicant.
O
Regarding
the
actual
property
boundaries
I
mean
the
california.
This
is
this:
is
california
law
right
and
the
boundaries
are
determined
by
a
surveyor,
and
I
think
that
what
I
heard
is
that
will
occur.
O
But
what
I
heard
wasn't
a-
and
I
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
what
I
heard
is
the
applicant's
willing
to
accommodate.
If,
in
fact,
the
fence
is
not
correctly
located
and
it
might
be
on
the
applicant's
property
once
if
that
would
be
the
case
for
a
survey
that
what
I
think
I
heard
you
say,
is
you're
you're
willing
to
not
enforce
that
boundary
you're
willing
to
let
that
stand,
and
you
will
accommodate
your
project
accordingly.
Did
I
hear
that
correctly
because
that's
that's
quite
a
generous
offer.
G
It's
jim
conrad.
Actually,
no,
that's
that's
not
what
I
meant
to
say
right
that
wasn't
what
I
said.
I
don't
think
I
said
what
we
agreed
to
do
was
to
have
a
record
of
survey
done
to
establish
that
property
line.
We
don't
know
if
the
fence
is
on
our
property
or
not.
The
survey
that
we
have
shows
that
it
is,
but
it's
not
a
record
of
survey.
It's
not
a
boundary
survey,
which
is
a
more
accurate
something
recorded
with
the
county
right.
So
we
we
have.
D
O
H
O
Okay,
I
in
fact
I
think
that
there's
an
entire
industry
called
title
insurance.
That's
built
around
these
disputes
in
the
event
that
they
happen,
because
the
title
company's
certifying
that
the
property
is
what
it
is.
So
if
it's
not
then
they're
on
the
hook
for
that
as
well.
Okay,
that's
all
I
have
mr.
C
Chair
mr
cosgrove,
mr.
B
Yes,
okay,
just
so
we
don't
get
lost,
I'm
I'm
just
I
don't
know
about
the
deed
per
se,
but
I'm
looking
at
mr
thomas
thomas
sorry,
letter
exhibit
d
shows
attract
map
92840
and
there's
arrows
that
show
within
the
right
of
way
of
paseo
paseo
activo.
B
That
says
portion
of
lot
19
of
tracts,
9284
dedicated
to
city
of
san
clemente
for
public
street
purposes,
but
there's
clear
arrows
that
show
that's
in
the
in
the
right
of
way.
I
don't
know
about
any
deed
per
se,
but
on
that
track
map
it
shows
the
arrows
within
the
right-of-way.
C
That
the
deed
is
right
for
the
that
dispute
is
correct
or
incorrect.
That's
for
the
attorneys
figure
out
and
we'll
right
now
take
the
opinion
of
our
city
attorney
and
work
from
that.
I
I
C
David,
would
you
respond
to
that
place?
It's
probably
the
city
right,
yeah,.
F
Yeah,
so
that
we
have
a
definition
on
what
describes
a
front
lot
line
and
it's
the
the
narrowest
that's
facing
a
street
or
fronting
street,
so
that
would
be
the
the
the
west
lot
line
on
that
lot.
D
We
have
that
on
track,
commissioners,
that
I
can
speak
to
that
the
the
minimum
dimensions
of
a
lot
varies
depending
on
the
zone
of
that
lot
in
this
particular
zone.
The
the
front
lot
line,
as
you
had
mentioned,
is
the
is
the
one
shown
on
the
plans.
It's
the
narrowest,
one
facing
it's
technically
facing
via
manzana,
and
that
would
make
the
street
side
yard
this.
The
lot
line
facing
paseo
activo.
I
Isn't
on
table
two,
because
that
is
the
front
yard
it
does
make.
You
know
it
looks
like
the
front
yard
is
well
within,
but
it's
because
that's
the
oddest
part
of
the
lot.
If
the
front
yard
actually
was
where
the
garages
are,
then
it's
way
off
the
and
most
people.
Looking
at
the
house
that
lots
it's
on
the
side
yard
of
the
their
current
house,
yeah
we're
going
to
call
the
front
yard.
So
I
think
there
is
a
little
bit
of
artificiality
there.
I
I'm
concerned
about
what
the
deed
might
say,
even
though
it
is
private.
You
know
property.
When
I
was
going
to
build
a
block
wall
and
downey
we
did
have
to
have
surveyors
out
before
I
could
even
start
construction
of
the
you
know
the
block
wall,
because
I
guess
that
was
a
requirement
in
town.
I
The
south
property
line,
which
is
under
dispute-
I
have
some
reservations
about
just
saying
you
know
we're
going
to
pass
this
when
we
had
to
establish
a
front.
You
know
a
side
yard.
I
If
they
say
the
applicant
says
that
two
feet,
you
know
their
wall,
their
the
wall
is
two
feet
outside
of
their
property
line.
So
we've
taken
that
as
a
fact
and
established
whatever
the
side
yard.
You
know
minimum
that
we
said
so.
That
actually
is
inaccurate,
because
we
don't
know
where
the
property
line
is.
I
D
Yeah
chairman
excuse
me,
commissioner,
mccackin,
in
the
in
the
event
that
some
information
provided
to
the
planning
commission
is
not
accurate,
which,
as
sheriff
randall
mentioned,
could
possibly
be
the
case
because
city
staff
is
not
going
out
and
doing
a
survey
ourselves.
D
We're
always
relying
on
on
the
applicants
and
their
teams
to
provide
us
useful
information,
but
should
that
information
not
be
found
to
be
accurate,
there's
a
very
high
likelihood
that
the
that
staff
would
not
support
the
the
permits
that
are
that
are
being
applied
for
when
they
come
in
to
actually
construct
their
project,
and
we
would
require
them
to
come
back
through
this
process.
D
So
it
behooves
the
applicants
to
provide
us
accurate
information
from
the
very
beginning.
There's
no
there's
no
benefit
to
providing
us
inaccurate
information.
Due
to,
as
mr
ponson
explained,
the
various
steps
that
are
required
to
certify
and
confirm
that
the
information
that
they've
provided
is
is
is
actually
accurate.
A
I
I
kind
of
disagree
and
have
a
hard
point.
You
know
with
that
that
it's
okay
for
us
to
you
know,
passing
accurate
data
and
then
I
guess
they
can
litigate
it
later
well,
it
may
not
be
an
accurate.
It
may
be
well,
it
may
not,
but
where
did
our
city
measure
for
this
when
we
said
three
feet?
Are
they
measuring
from
the
wall?
D
I
I
D
Drawing
I'll
let
the
I'll
let
david
curio
answer
those.
I
Types
of
specific
questions
not
sitting
in
the
proper
place,
and
it
sits
two
feet
that
she
has
an
extra
two
feet.
You
know
in
her
line.
So
if
we
say
that
wall
exists
three
feet
from
the
wall
right
now,
as
it's
on
this
piece
of
picture
they're
saying
it's
really
five
feet
so
they're,
okay,
so
I'm
just
saying
is
the
wall?
G
My
name
is
jim
conrad.
Yes,
the
survey
the
topographic
survey
that
we
submitted
that
we
had
contracted
shows
that
the
neighbor's
prop
the
neighbor's
fence
is
two
feet:
approximately
two
feet
onto
the
pilot's
property.
So
if
we
set
the
house
five
feet
from
the
property
line,
it
would
be
three
feet
from
the
fence.
So
if,
when
we
do
a
record
of
survey,
we
assume
that
it's
going
to
confirm
that
the
fence
is
two
feet
on
to
our
property.
G
If
that
is
the
case,
we're
going
to
have
to
work
out
something
with
the
neighbor,
because
their
fence
would
be
two
feet
on
to
the
pilot's
property.
The
fence
would
probably
have
to
be
moved.
G
I
A
I
There
is
no
I've,
never.
E
And
we'll
continue
this
discussion
because
I'm
I'm,
along
with
you
on
this
one.
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
commend
all
the
neighbors
for
coming
together
in
the
most
kindest
and
generous
way.
I
I
have
never
seen
this
before
and
it
looks
like
you
all
get
along
and
I'll
respect
each
other
with
that
said,
I
respect
property
rights
and
I
respect
the
owner
of
the
property
and
his
property
rights,
but
I
also
respect
the
property
rights
of
the
neighbors
and
the
possibility
of
encroachment.
E
E
E
I
understand
you're
willing
to
move
it
to
accommodate,
but
until
I
have
that
clarity,
I
have
more
questions
and
I
have
answers
and
there
is
not
a
survey
and
we
have
two
owners
here
that
say:
there's
a
line:
that's
theirs
and
you
you
have
constructed,
or
you
have
designed
a
home
based
on
what
you
believe
and
a
neighbor
says
that
that
isn't
incorrect,
so
that
that
that
bothers
me,
the
deed
question
bothers
me.
I'm
not
sure
that
the
due
diligence
has
been
done
on
that
at
this
time.
E
C
My
only
comment
on
that
is,
we
are
not
going
to
approve
the
deed.
We
are
not
going
to
review
the
deed.
We
are
not
going
to
certify
the
survey.
C
We
are
just
going
to
expect
what's
there
and
the
only
thing
that
matters
is
where
this
building
sits
in
relation
to
the
property
line,
not
to
where
some
fence
is.
If
the
fence
is
over
on
the
property
line,
it's
got
to
be
moved.
C
C
I
mean
they
draw
those
very
accurately
from
the
d
and
they
do
it
by
meeting
us,
so
they
know
what
size.
The
lot
is.
C
C
Is
that
correct
david
and
the
fence,
the
wrought
iron
fence?
That's.
N
F
C
Is
right
now,
I
think,
is
it
five
feet
the
existing
one?
So
there's
really
no
change
there,
so
we
can
make
our
decision
from
the
property
line
and
disregard
the
location
of
the
fence,
and
so
I
think
what
we
need
to
do
is
if
we're
comfortable,
with
the
variance
make
that
an
assumption
right
on
off
the
get-go
for
the
garage.
It's
typical
in
the
city
for
odd-shaped,
lots,
bluff,
lots,
etc
to
have
a
shorter
setback
for
garages.
C
That
is
not
unusual
at
all,
and
it's
been
my
point
from
doing
tons
of
zero
lot
line,
projects
and
small
projects
that
you
don't
want,
a
garage
in
that
medium
distance
of
15
feet,
14
feet
to
the
garage
door
where
the
car
can
park.
This
one
solves
that
problem,
so
I'm
very
comfortable
with
it.
It's
in
the
location
where
it
needs
to
be
furthest
from
the
corner
invisibility,
so
it's
the
safest
location
for
anybody
to
be
packing
out
of
I'll.
Let
you
finish
before
I
ramble
on:
go
ahead.
You're.
E
I
have
again
I
like
the
project
and
I
think
it's
positive,
but
I'm
a
big
supporter
of
property
rights
and
I
I
believe
the
owner
has
the
right
to
develop
that
property,
but
I
think
there
needs
to
be
more
clarity
and
that
concerns
me,
I'm
not
I'm
not
against
the
project,
but
I'm
against
some
of
the
nuances
and
the
questions
of
the
project.
Is
there
a
finding
I'm
leaning
towards
that?
Yes,
I.
C
E
D
Thank
you,
chair
crandall.
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear
for
the
record
that
the
application
does
include
a
topographic
map
that
is
stamped
by
a
land
surveyor
licensed
by
the
state
of
california.
It's
your
second
page
of
the
plans,
and
I
would
invite
everybody
to
to
look
at
that.
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear
for
the
record
that
we
do
have
a
survey
that
was
submitted
as
part
of
this
application.
D
Should
there
be
discrepancies
between
what
what
the
reality
is
and
what
a
licensed
surveyor
has
provided
to
us
that
will
be
dealt
with
and
and
and
and
ultimately
the
application
the
applicant
would
either
need
to
modify
the
project
to
to
meet
what
they
have
actually
been
approved
for,
or
they
would
be,
they
would
need
to
come
back
through
the
planning
commission.
D
I
see
mr
ponson
has
turned
on
his
camera.
I
don't
know
if
he
would
like
to
speak
to
that
a
little
bit
more.
H
If
you
don't
mind,
zach
ponson
acting
deputy
public
works
director
and
I'm
going
to
echo
kind
of
what
bart
said
if
it
helps
the
situation,
it
is
probably
extremely
rare
that
a
fence
is
actually
exactly
on
a
property
line.
H
O
I
kind
of
want
to
move
us
a
little
along
here
and
I
just
want
to
frame
frame
it.
We're
not
approved
we're
not
tasked
to
approve
the
building
right.
We're
asked
to
approve
of
some
variances
only,
so
our
scope
is
not
to
launch
an
investigation
into
deed
restrictions
or
surveys.
O
There
is
the
city
staff
building
department,
which
is
there
to
facilitate
residents
to
pull
permits
where
these
check
plan
checks
have
to
go
through
these
gates,
and
if
there
is
an
issue
that
needs
that
will
be
caught
and
worked
through,
I
don't.
I
just
think
it's
important,
given
everybody's
taking
their
time
to
come
here,
which
is,
from
my
perspective,
very
rare,
to
see
this
kind
of
audience
at
one
of
our
boring
meetings.
O
Take
interest
in
what
we're
doing
so,
like
everybody
else.
We're
grateful
to
have
company
we're
grateful
that
you
guys
are
here
and
that
you
have
an
interest
in
the
city
and
you
wanted
things
to
go
well
and
go
and
be
right,
but
I'm
also
hearing
you
want
it
to
be
fair.
That's
what
we
want.
We
want
win
wins.
We
want
fairness.
O
We
want
everybody
to
come
out
feeling
like
they
got
the
right,
the
process
worked
for
them
and
it
may
not
always
be
exactly
how
the
outcome
they
want,
but
the
process
did
work.
I
think
tonight
the
process
is
for
us
to
take
up.
I
think
it's
the
five
variances
and
that's
it
nothing
else.
C
And
the
two
exceptions:
there's
three
exceptions.
O
That's
our
that's
our
purview,
that's
our
scope
of
work
tonight
and
as
much
as
we'd
like
to
maybe
facilitate
great
neighbors
working
together
and
all
I
would
say
in
that
regard
is,
I
think
the
city
staff
is
at
the
disposal
of
your
neighborhood
to
as
the
process
goes
through
to
work
through
the
various
gates
and
a
step
at
a
time
and
then
go
and
determine
you
know
the
deed,
determine
the
actual
survey,
location
and
move
forward
and
move
forward
or
not
move
forward
depending
on
what
those
actual
outcomes
are.
O
O
So
as
I
look
at
it,
you
know,
we've
got
the
setback.
Issues
seem
to
be
where
a
lot
of
the
focus
is
where
the
applicant
is
proposing
a
five
foot
side
yard
setback,
where
six
feet
is
required
and
an
eight
foot,
six
inch
rear,
set
back
where
ten
feet
are
required.
O
We
make
these
variances
a
lot
to
accommodate
the
properties
owner's
right
to
build,
and
I
the
other
one,
is
the
five
foot
wrought
iron
fence.
I
haven't
really
heard
anybody
say
that's
an
issue
so
really
it
gets
into
these
variances,
which
are
in
the
schema.
Where
we
look
at
it.
They
are
minor.
We
we
see
these
a
lot
and
I
think
in
the
interest
of
not
taking
away
somebody's
right
to
develop
on
their
land.
O
You
know
we
have
that's,
why
we
have
the
variances
provision
so
that
that
can
be
considered,
and
so
that's
where
I
think
we're
at
tonight,
you
know.
Does
the
one
foot
is
that
appropriate
is
the
one
foot
six
inch?
Is
that
appropriate
and
and
the
is
the
street
facing
garage
with
that
setback?
O
The
front
yard
is
that
appropriate
and
I
think
we've
returned
we've
pretty
much
determined
that
the
the
garage
there
actually
are
neighbors
across
the
street
and
nearby
that
have
similar
setbacks
on
the
garage,
and
there
is
a
condition
that
requires
that
they
not
park
in
their
driveway
blocking
the
sidewalk.
O
So
I
think
that's
mitigated
so
then
it
just
comes
down
to
that
setback
and
I
think
that's
really.
What
we
need
to
look
at
is
that
okay,
very
good.
O
I
I'm
most
concerned
with
if
the
one
neighbor
didn't
come
up
and
say
that
there's
dispute
on
fro
based
on
the
survey
that
you
know
the
applicant
had
done,
there's
nothing
in
the
report
about
that.
So
I'm
a
little
caught
off
guard
that
I
have
to
find
out
from
a
neighbor
about
the
dispute.
The
possible
dispute.
I
A
C
O
I
I
mean
this
whole
application
is
now
creating
a
property
line
dispute,
so
we're
putting
a
burden
on
her
property
happens
every
day
right
I
mean
I've
gone
through
it,
but
here
we're
just
kind
of
sliding
the
neighborhood
I
think
a
little
bit,
and
I'm
I'm
upset
that
this.
That
is
not
in
here,
because
that,
I
think
that's
a
big
point.
They
just
say:
that's:
okay,
I'll,
take
two
feet
from
her
life
and
she.
C
C
I
I
C
All
the
time
well,
okay,
I
will
say
that
it
will
be
between
the
two
owners
to
justify
where
that
property
lands
and
work
out,
whether
it's
on
beyond
the
fence
or
where
that
fence
is
located.
C
But
the
building
is
sited
by
the
property
line
a
building,
regardless
of
what's
there,
the
drawings
that
we
have
in
front
of
us
show
where
the
house
is
to
the
property
line.
That's
all
that
matters,
and
as
far
as
the
variance
for
the
garage
and
front
setback,
I'm
I'm
comfortable
with
making
the
findings
that
are
required
for
a
variance
to
do
that.
C
The
exceptions
I
heard
that
the
app
that
would
be
willing
to
reduce
the
front
yard
by
one
foot
and
I'm
not
as
concerned
about
that
since
there's.
Is
it
four
feet
behind
the
sidewalk
that
the
property
line
actually
occurs
on
the
site
plan,
so.
G
A
G
Yeah,
the
garage
is
set
back
five
feet
from
the
front
property
line,
but
what
I
was
suggesting
was
because
the
neighbor
was
concerned
about
the
proximity
to
her
her
yard,
because
possibly
her
fence
is
on
the
property
that
we
would
offer
as
a
condition
for
the
commission
to
consider
condition
of
approval,
to
eliminate
a
request
for
a
variance
for
the
sideyard
setback.
And
we
would
respect
the
six-foot
setback.
We
would.
M
G
C
Make
it
right,
I
think
we
can
do
that
as
a
condition
of
approval,
where
the
required
setback
of
six
foot
from
the
property
line
is
along
rachel's
property
line,
and
then
you
guys
can
work
out
where
the
fence
is
right.
G
C
C
C
C
Correct
it's
their
property
line,
so
I
I
can
see
that
and
it's
a
shorter
wall
so
right
there's
less
of
an
exception
there.
So
I
can
make
the
findings
to
do
that
exception.
So
I
can
make
the
variance
and
agree
to
shifting
it
over.
So
it's
the
legal
side
yard
setback
on
the
on
rachel's
property.
So
it's
the
sixth
rather
than
five
and
then
where
the
fence
is,
is
where
the
fence
is
and
that's
up
to
you
guys
to
work
out.
So
I'm
in
support
with
those
particular
conditions.
B
In
shift
so
we're
shifting
the
house
one
foot
to
the
north
correct
so,
but
does
that
then
do
we
have
variants
we
have
to
grant
now
on
the
northern
side
we.
B
G
C
Property
than
one
street
once
we
pass
the
garage,
this
is
on
page
71
of
his
presentation.
C
The
entryway
and
the
the
corner
of
the
garage
would
basically
stay
where
it
is,
but
the
kitchen
wall,
just
that
corner,
would
be
encroaching
a
little
more.
It's
not
like
a
whole
wall
right.
C
I
think
we
can
give
david.
Can
you
come
up
with
a
condition
of
approval
to
do
that
for
us,
so
we
can
vote
on
it.
F
So
that'll
be
to
to
provide
the
six
foot,
sideyard
setback,
the
required
per
code
and
then
the
front
yard
or
the
street
side
yard.
Being
what
again,
commissioner,
kendall.
F
C
And
the
building
would
be
adjusted
accordingly
to
the
north
and
the
garage
would
be
reduced
by
one
foot.
J
J
I
might
so
it
would
eliminate
the
need
for
that,
so
we
would
okay.
We
would
want
to
make
sure
that
the
resolution
is
modified
to
reflect
that.
O
C
C
Now
adam
we've
got
excuse
me
yeah,
adam
we've
got
to
have
that
resolution
read
prior
to
us
being
able
to
take
a
vote
correct.
D
What
we
would
do
chair
crandall
is,
we
would
identify
the
specific
portions
of
the
proposed
or
draft
resolution
being
amended
and
have
that
on
record.
We
don't,
we
wouldn't
need
to
read
the
entire
document
or
large
portions
of
it.
C
Okay,
do
we
have
a
motion.
D
I
I
don't
believe
that
we're
actually
ready
for
that
motion,
because
we
are
we're
not
entirely
sure
of
all
of
the
changes
necessary
to
the
resolution
to
implement
the
change
that
you're.
So.
J
We
could
do
it
in
general
and
I'm
thinking
of
the
way
that
you
would
word
this.
So
I
think
that
the
motion
would
be
something
along
these
lines,
so
the
motion
would
be
to
move
staff's
recommendation
with
the
following
changes.
First,
that.
J
Second,
that
the
resolution
and
findings
be
modified
to
reflect
the
elimination
of
the
minor
exception
for
the
setback
deviation
on
south.
J
C
J
B
Okay,
I
move
that
the
planning
commission
a
resolution
that
we
approve
resolution
number
pc22.
B
A
resolution
of
the
planning
commission
of
the
city
of
san
clemente.
California,
approving
a
minor,
accept
minor
exception,
permit
22-021
and
variants
21-0-1
residence
variants
to
consider
deviations
from
the
required
setbacks
for
side
street
side
and
rear
yards
and
maximum
wall
heights
to
accommodate
a
new
single-family
residence
on
a
vacant
lot
with
assessor
parcel
number
675-193-03.
B
With
the
following
changes
to
the
staff
report
and
resolution
that
we
include
in
the
findings
and
resolution
that
there's
we're
also
utilizing
sql
exemption
15303
and
that
the
resolution
and
findings
be
revised
to
eliminate
the
request
and
application
of
the
south
side.
Minor
exception.
Permit
that
we
allow
the
home
to
be
shifted.
One.
As
designed
one
foot
to
the
north
in
shrinking
the
garage
depths
by
one
foot
and
any
variance
and
or
minor
exception
permit
on
the
north
side,
be
shrunk
by
one
foot.
Correspondingly.
C
We
have
a
motion
by
mccann
and
a
second
by
cosgrove.
O
O
D
Yes
speaking
for
staff,
I
can
say
that
the
the
proposed
modifications
to
the
applicant's
request
are
clear
enough
that
we
have
sufficient
direction
to
work
with
the
applicant
on
their
submittals
for
building
permits
to
reflect
those
changes.
Okay,.
B
I'd
actually
like
to
revise
and
amend
my
motion
to
require
that
the
applicant
do
a
record
of
survey
in
advance
of
what
the
pulling
of
a
building
permit.
C
Have
to
anyway
well,
they.
B
Don't
have
before
building
permit.
Is
that
acceptable
to
you
guys
so
that
they
have
to
do
a
record
of
survey
and
provide
it
to
the
city
before
building
perimeters
pulled
and
we
we
do
have
line
and
grade
certifications
in
there
correct
they
have
to
certify
the
forms.
J
C
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
we'll
take
a
vote.
Commissioner
prescott.
E
We're
opening
for
a
little
bit
more
discussion.
I
just
have
one.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
I've
been
pretty
quiet
tonight.
I
just
want
to
share
my
dismay.
E
This
is
kind
of
a
strong
word,
but,
mr
conrad,
I
would
have
preferred
that
you
were
more
upfront
with
the
dispute
of
property
alliance
and
I
I
didn't
like
being
broadsided
by
having
rachel
coming
up
and
sharing
that
she
had
an
issue
which
you
were
aware
of,
and
it
would
have
been
nice
to
have
this
in
the
packet
and
I
probably
would
have
had
a
different
feeling
for
the
project
so
going
forward.
E
I
I'm
going
to
vote
no,
because
you
know
we
had
five
neighbors
come
up
and
say
they
have
concerns
about
it,
and
we
are
really
trying
to
make
this
legal
non-conforming
lot
buildable
and
I
think
we've
gone
a
little
bit
too
far
to
make
it
buildable
all
based
on
how
it
was
born,
how
it
became
you
know
what
it
is
and
so
I'll
be
voting.
C
No
okay,
I'm
sheriff
mccann
hi
and
commissioner
crandall
is
also,
and
I
so
with
those
changes.
I
think
that
will
satisfy
the
adjacent
neighbor
and
congratulations
to
the
applicant
and
the
architect,
who
really
has
done
a
very
good
job
on
this
project.
Great,
so
thank
you.
G
Thank
you
very
much
if
I
could
just
say
one
just
one
last
thing
this
this
this
dispute
about
defense.
It
was
something
that
was
brought
to
my
attention
just
in
the
last
couple
days,
so
it
wasn't,
we
weren't
trying
to
hide
it
it
just
it
was
on
the
survey.
I
probably
should
have
noticed
it,
but
it
wasn't
like
we
were
trying
to
bury
it.
So
I
apologize
for
for
that.
C
D
Thank
you,
chair
crandall.
Oh
yes,
okay!
So
this
project,
the
the
project
manager,
is
a
contract
planner
with
the
city
she
is
out
of
she's
dealing
with
some
family
needs
right
now
and
is
not
able
to
present
tonight.
I
have
been
working
with
the
applicants
with
our
project
planner
for
the
last
few
months,
I'm
familiar
with
this
project,
so
I
will
be
presenting
it
tonight.
D
D
Okay:
okay:
the
item
before
you
tonight,
item
8b
is
a
conditional
use,
permit
number
21290,
the
application
is
for
the
root
and
blossom
academy.
Thank
you
very
much.
Next
slide.
D
The
proposal
is
located
at
2021,
caller
frontera,
the
applicable
zoning
is
residential,
medium
low.
The
pictures
to
the
front
or
excuse
me
to
the
to
the
right
identify
the
site
as
being
bounded
by
the
teal
line,
and
the
picture
in
the
bottom
left
is,
is
an
image
of
the
of
the
street
view
of
the
existing
building
that
is
located
there
next
slide.
Please,
the
property
is
a
approximately
a
little
bit
more
than
one
one
acre.
D
It
is
next
to
saint
andrews
by
the
sea,
united
methodist,
church
and
west
of
bright
horizons
day
care.
The
project
is
located
in
in
an
existing
and,
I
should
say,
unoccupied,
10
127
square
foot,
one-story,
building
the
surrounding
land
uses
consist
of
residential
and
commercial,
or,
I
should
say,
non-residential
really.
Residential
properties
are
located
to
the
north
and
to
the
west
of
the
subject
lot.
D
As
mentioned
earlier,
there
are,
there
are
non-residential
uses
that
are
located
to
the
south
and
to
the
to
the
east,
consisting
of
that
church
and
daycare
next
slide.
Please,
the
applicant
is
proposing
a
private
school
for
students
between.
D
Transitional
kindergarten
and
third
grade
the
entire
school
will
accommodate
up
to
150
students
and
11
employees
at
any.
Given
time,
I
will
mention
that
there,
the
school
will
be
phasing
these
these
classes
in
over
the
next
few
years.
I
will
let
them
speak
more
on
that,
so
it
will
not
be
150
students
in
the
first
year
it'll
ramp.
Up
over
a
few
years,
the
classes
will
have
24
students
generally
as
a
maximum
with
first
grade
having
25
students,
school
will
occur
on
weekdays
between
7
30
a.m
and
5
30
p.m.
D
There
are
some
outdoor
playground
areas
that
are
proposed
as
part
of
this
project.
One
is
located
to
the
west
of
the
building.
It
is
in
the
rear
of
the
building,
and
it
is
a
an
existing
patio
that
is
being
proposed
to
be
a
sensory
garden
type
of
playground
area
and
in
next
few
years
the
applicants
are
proposing
to
construct
a
another
sensory
garden
type
low
impact
type
playground
in
the
existing
parking
lot.
D
That
is
on
the
north
side
of
the
building,
the
section
of
the
parking
lot
towards
the
towards
the
east
of
that
parking
lot.
This
proposal,
though,
again,
will
not
see
the
park
the
parking
lot,
that
portion
of
the
parking
lot
converted
to
a
playground
immediately.
That
will
be
done
over
the
next
over
the
next
couple
years.
D
So
the
schools
schools
are
conditionally
permitted
in
the
residential
medium-low
zoning
district.
The
site
provides
sufficient
on-site
parking.
One
important
detail
here
is
that
the
project
is
conditioned
to
obtain
a
parking
easement.
D
For
access
to
off-site
parking
as
part
of
a
shared
parking
agreement
to
to
allow
the
school,
which
I
will
go
into
more
detail,
but
it
will
allow
the
school
to
essentially
provide
for
enough
parking
that
there
is
no
there's,
no
need
for
a
drop
off
or
pickup
aisle
or
lane
reducing
the
need.
The
potential
for
cueing
to
occur
in
the
main,
drive
aisle
or
or
to
affect
caye
frontera.
D
Part
of
this
is
based
on
the
operational
conditions
that
staff
has
placed
on
the
on
the
project
to
ensure
that
activities
are
maintained
at
a
at
a
level
of
intensity
that
is
compatible
with
some
of
the
surrounding
land
uses
and
not
anticipated
to
impact
the
residential
properties
too
much
noise
impacts
specifically
are
mitigated
by
limiting
the
number
of
students
in
the
playground
areas,
along
with
limiting
the
type
of
equipment
that
can
be
provided
in
those
areas.
D
D
Delays
resulting
from
the
project
does
not
exceed
the
city's
thresholds
at
any
location.
D
D
So
the
the
way
that
this
parking
would
work-
and
I-
and
I
will
caveat
this
with
a
note
that
the
this
is
essentially
the
first
and
potentially
second
year-
plan.
It's
the
green
area
is
the
existing
parking
area
of
the
of
the
of
the
lot.
D
The
blue
area
is
the
is
the
call
it
the.
I
believe,
the
northern
portion
of
the
church
property
and
what
is
being
proposed
is
an
off-site
parking
agreement
to
utilize
the
spaces
in
the
church
that
would
that
would
be
empty.
During
the
times
the
schools
operating
and
people
would.
Parents
and
guardians
would
drive
the
kids
onto
the
property
through
the
main
aisle
and,
as
as
it's
available
would
would
park
in
either
a
or
b
nobody.
D
There
would
be
no
line
where
people
where
kids
get
out
of
the
vehicles
and
go
into
the
school
everybody
would
park
the
would
park
and
need
to
walk
their
their
kids
in
and
same
thing
with
with
pickup.
D
There
would
be
some
attendance
at
the
entrance
of
the
of
the
school
property
to
ensure
that
when
that
lot
is
looking
a
bit
full
that
they're
cueing
people
to
the
next
lot,
based
on
the
number
of
parking
spaces
that
they
have
an
agreement
with
the
church
to
use
and
the
spaces
on
their
own
property,
there
would
be
enough
parking
to
provide
for
all
anticipated
people
that
would
be
coming
to
the
property
at
any
given
time
to
be
able
to
park
and
walk
their
walk
their
children
in
next
slide.
Please.
D
So
the
findings
for
the
conditional
use
permit
are
as
follows:
the
use
is
allowed
in
the
zone
and,
as
I
mentioned,
it
is
in
this
case
the
site
is
suitable
for
the
proposed
use,
because
the
project
complies
with
the
general
plan
development
standards,
including
parking
requirements.
That
is
the
case
as
well.
D
The
last
two
are
specifically
related
to
the
off-site
shared
parking
agreement,
and
that
is
that
the
off-site
parking
agreement
will
not
result
in
inadequate
parking
and
that
the
number
of
parking
spaces
required
for
the
use
is
provided
through
the
parking
agreement
staffs
in
staff's
review.
All
of
these
findings
we
believe,
can
be
made.
D
So
there
is
some
information
that
has
been
provided
by
the
applicant
to
demonstrate
how
the
the
use
will
how
it
will
perform
in
terms
of
anticipated
noise.
D
We
have
conditioned
the
project
to
limit
the
operations
to
maintain
a
certain
level
of
noise,
but
it
should
be
noted
for
the
commission's
consideration
that
once
permitted
the
the
school
would
be
exempt
from
the
city's
noise
ordinance
and-
and
so,
if
there's
questions
about
that,
I'm
more
than
happy
to
answer
them.
D
But
that's
that's
that
there's
a
special
exemption
for
schools
that
would
apply
in
this
case
and
if
I
could
have
the
next
slide,
I
think
that's
thank
you
conditions,
so
the
project
is
conditioned
to
mitigate
those
potential
impacts
that
I
discussed
to
ensure
best
management
practices,
and
they
consist
of
the
following.
The
first
is
that
occupancy
is
limited
to
maintain
parking
demand
of
72
parking
spaces,
including
shared
parking.
D
The
72
parking
spaces
is
what
has
been
identified
as
the
peak
amount
of
the
the
total
amount
of
cars
that
would
be
entering
the
property
at
any
given
point
during
the
pickup
or
drop-off
times.
D
The
second
special
condition
is
that
the
school
is
required
to
obtain
a
parking
easement
with
the
church
to
ensure
sufficient
parking
is
provided
at
all
times.
The
applicant
has
has
already
has
already
talked
to
to
the
church
and
received
that
confirmation,
so
in
fact,
going
so
far
as
to
obtain
a
memorandum
of
understanding
between
them
and
the
church
for
this.
D
The
third
is
that
outdoor
recreation
areas
shall
have
limited
occupancy
at
any
given
time
during
operating
hours
and
then
the
the
fourth
one
special
note
is
that
drop
off
the
pickup
times
shall
be
staggered
and
can
be
adjusted
by
the
city
if
necessary.
D
L
Good
evening,
members
of
the
planning
commission,
my
name
is
doug
ely
architect
and
first
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
planning
staff
for
getting
us
here
today,
kyle
and
stephanie
and
nancy,
and
then
adam.
Thank
you
for
marching
this
forward.
So
we
can
be
here
tonight
before
I
introduce
the
operators
of
the
school.
L
I
wanted
to
make
a
few
corrections
in
your
staff
report
on
page
pages
are
numbered,
but
on
the
required
parking
on
the
table,
it
states
that
the
required
parking
is
27
and
the
provided
is
28,
we're
actually
providing
38
parking
spaces
and
the
issue
about
the
playground.
L
When
we
first
started
there
was
going
to
be
a
future
playground
to
the
north,
but
due
to
the
relationship
of
the
agreement
with
the
church,
the
school
is
going
to
be
using
the
existing
playground
on
the
on
the
church
property.
So
the
school
does
not
intend
to
build
that
playground
in
the
future.
So
it's
not
a
part
of
this
proposal.
L
P
P
So
inwunder
academy
is
an
early
childhood
education
school
that
includes
grades
transitional
kindergarten
to
third
grade.
We
focus
on
these
grades
to
build
a
strong
foundation
and
understanding
of
self-love
and
self-respect.
P
J
My
passion
for
education
has
taken
me
internationally
to
teach
and
develop
curriculum
abroad,
and
I've
been
working
in
early
childhood
education
for
eight
years,
and
I
now
have
my
master's
in
nature-based
and
place-based
education,
so
place-based
education,
grounds,
learning
where
we
are
so.
That
means
the
community
of
san
clemente.
J
J
We
are
all
about
hands-on
project-based
learning
and
meeting
every
individual
where
they're
at
we
are
mindful
of
students,
diverse
needs
and
are
including
a
design
for
a
sensory
garden
on
the
back
patio
space.
This
is
intended
to
be
a
quiet,
calming
area
for
small
groups
of
children
to
complete
work
and
have
access
to
gardening.
J
K
Good
evening
I'm
marissa
goldenstein,
I'm
the
other
co-head
of
school.
I
have
my
mba
from
ucla.
I
also
have
my
master's
in
experimental
psychology
and
I'm
a
mom
to
two
young
boys.
I
have
a
four-year-old
and
a
two-year-old,
and
my
own
parenting
journey
has
led
me
to
become
a
certified
parent
coach
and
I've
become
really
passionate
about
early
childhood
education,
bringing
innovation
thinking
into
the
younger
students
and
designing
an
intentional
culture
and
community
to
support
our
learners
and
their
environment,
and
that
includes
bringing
parents
on
the
journey.
K
L
The
end
wonder,
academy
is
designed
for
150
children
and,
as
adam
stated
their
first
year,
they
anticipate
being
approximately
50
of
that
capacity
and
then
the
the
second
year
about
75
percent.
L
After
three
years
being
up
to
150,
we
had
a
traffic
study
prepared
and
just
wanted
to
emphasize
that
all
children
will
be
dropped
off
by
parents
and
guardians
who
park
there's
no
loading
and
unloading
or
queuing
involved
with
the
vehicles.
L
The
reciprocal
parking
agreement
with
the
church
to
the
south
provides
that
additional
need
because
of
that
agreement
with
the
church,
as
I
stated
earlier,
they're
able
to
use
that
playground
and
therefore
dedicate
the
entire
parking
lot,
and
so
there's
no
need
in
the
future
for
them
to
be
able
to
build
that
parking
lot.
I
mean
build
that
playground
when
we
started.
L
We
also
recognized
the
adjacency
of
some
residences,
there's
a
residential
development
to
the
to
the
northwest
and
even
though
the
city
doesn't
have
a
requirement
for
the
the
acoustical
analysis
we
contracted
with
an
acoustical
engineer,
because
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we're
being
good
neighbors-
and
there
is
a
letter
that
is-
was
prepared
and
it's
in
your
packet.
Essentially
what
they
did
is
they.
L
They
took
the
limited
number
of
children
that
we
can
have
in
that
playground
and
we're
restricted
to
24
because
of
licensing
and
the
size
of
the
playground,
that's
the
number
of
children
that
can
be
out
there
at
any
one
time.
L
The
the
study
put
all
those
children
in
the
location
closest
to
the
nearest
residential
building
and
their
analysis
showed
that
the
decibel
reading
at
the
adjacent
residential
properties,
below
what
the
city
maximum
decimal
requirement
is,
which
I
think
is
55.
it's
in
that
letter.
L
I
wanted
to
take
a
little
bit
further
that
that
analysis
is
for
a
playground.
It's
that
area
is
actually
going
to
be
used
as
an
outdoor
educational
area
and
it's
a
sensory
learning
area
and
will
be
managed
and
overseen
by
by
staff.
L
If
there
is
any
issues
with
the
neighbors,
we
expect
to
be
a
good
neighbors
and
an
open
communication
we'd
like
to
hear
from
the
neighbors
of
any
issues
and
my
clients
are
willing
to
mitigate
any
issues.
Should
they
end
up
being
issues
in
in
the
future,
but
we
we
don't
anticipate
those
with
the
conditions
we're
we're
currently
proposing
the
site
is
in
marginal
condition.
The
asphalt
needs
a
definite
repair.
The
building
is
in
a
little
bit
of
a
safe
disrepair
in
the
exterior.
So
this
is
a
opportunity
to
bring
this
building
up
to
contemporary
standards.
L
Parking
lot
will
be
upgraded,
exterior
paint
and
with
new
landscaping.
So
with
that,
I'm
available
to
answer
any
questions
and
that
completes
our
presentation.
Thank.
C
You
very
much
any
questions
for
staff
or
the
applicant
chris
cosgrove.
O
Hi
thanks
for
being
here
thanks
for
coming
to
san
clemente,
my
questions
are
around
the
circulation
plan,
so
the
on-site,
not
the
shared
but
the
on-site.
I
think
it's
great.
I
think
it.
I
think
you
realize
the
importance
of
the
peak
so
you're
staggering
to
start
that
makes
sense.
O
O
L
P
Okay,
so
yes
so
great
question
and
we're
going
to
have
two
staff
members
outside
in
the
morning.
I
know
it's
a
staggered
time,
but
we
intend
to
have
staff
out
there.
We're
also
going
to
be
checking
in
the
students
that
way
as
well
attendance
purpose,
wise,
so
we'll
be
out
there
noticing.
P
You
know
if
they're,
if
it's
too
blocked,
then
we'll
be
directing
parents
and
coming
out
front
and
letting
them
know
that
you
know
what
let's
go
this
way,
but
because
it
is
staggered:
okay,
okay,
because
it
is
staggered
and
we're
having
this
this
before
school
program,
we
don't
intend
there
to
be
too
many
issues
with.
You
know
parents
backing
out
at
the
same
time,
because
they'll
actually
be
inside
with
us
dropping
their
kids
off,
but
we
will
also
be
outside
in
the
parking
lot.
If
that
answers
the
question.
O
Well,
kind
of
I'm
still
a
little,
I'm
still
a
little
worried
about
it.
Let
me
just
back
up
a
second,
so
your
your
format
is,
parents
will
come
in,
they
will
park,
they
will
get
exit
the
vehicle
with
their
child,
accompany
them
into
your
facility
and
that's
where
you're
gonna
check
them
in
then
the
the
parent
leaves
goes
back
to
their
car
and
exits.
That's
your
plan.
P
Yes,
and
so
in
the
morning,
though,
we
also
have
a
period
where
parents
can
stay
with
their
student.
We
call
it
our
mindful
morning,
and
so
there
will
be
an
extended
period
of
parents
staying
and
then
once
they're
cla
the
class
starts
they'll
leave,
so
we'll
have
parents
leaving
at
different
times.
They
won't
all
be
rushing
out.
At
the
same
time,.
O
P
Absolutely,
and
so
that's
where
we
would
come
in
so
the
two
staff
members
that
we
have
designated
to
be
outside
if
we
notice
that
that
side
is
becoming
full,
then
we'll
be
there
to
to
guide
parents
to
say
this
is
now
full.
Please
come
on
this
side
and
then
they
could
go
to
overflow.
That's
the
per
that's
the
main
purpose
of
us
being
outside.
O
O
P
P
O
During
just
the
drop-off
pickup
times,
I
get
that
of
course.
Yes,
yes,
because
the
thing
about
human
nature
is,
you
know
the
unpredictability
factor
and
you
know,
even
if
you
have
limited
enrollment,
it
doesn't
take
more
than.
However
many
spots
you
got
over
here
for
that
to
happen
literally
day
one.
So
you
know
from
a
circulation
standpoint.
O
My
feeling
is,
you
know
we
wanted
to
provide
a
safe
circulation
plan
that
is
appropriate
for
ingress
and
egress,
and
and
when
I
see
a
three-point
turn
required
to
exit
an
area
where
there's
children,
I
get
that's
a
red
flag
for
me
and
I
kind
of
wish
you
didn't
have
this
element
over
this
leg
over
there,
because
I
didn't
think
that's
going
to
be
a
problem.
It's
a
bottleneck.
O
People
are
going
to
get
stuck
now.
You're
having
to
you
know,
really
navigate
hey
you
go,
you
stop
hold
it
don't
cross
the
street.
Yet
all
that
stuff
is
happening
in
this
space.
I'm
probably
overly
worried
about
it,
but
I
mean
these
things.
These
are
the
things
that
we
get
are
charged
with
doing
right,
every
commercial
center.
Every
cent
you
know
so
on-site
circulation
is
like
the
thing
that
you
know
who
approved
this.
You
know
we
can't
you
know
we
can't
get
around
in
here.
What
what's
going
on?
O
L
Feedback,
yes
and
zach
brought
it
up
to
us
in
development
meetings
and
that's
the
beauty
about
this
whole
relationship
with
the
church
property
as
well.
If,
for
any
reason
that
traffic
backs
up
starts
to
back
up,
the
attendants
will
be
waving
cars
on
so
that
they
go
up
the
hill
and
they
park
in
that
church.
Overflow
parking
lot
and
part
of
this
project
includes
a
linkage
that
links
that
parking
lot
in
a
direct
way
with
a
stairway
down
to
the
school.
O
Right
do
we
have
as
part
of
our
cup
conditions
of
approval,
these
parking
attendants?
Is
that
part
of
the
cep
operational.
C
D
The
condition
of
approval
4.1
states
that
the
child
drop
off
and
pick
up
shall
occur
in
accordance
with
their
school's
established
policies
and
proposed
circulation
strategy.
Okay,
the
proposed
circulation
strategy
is
what
is
what
has
been
provided
as
part
of
the
record
of
this
application.
Should
that
not
be?
D
Should
that
not
occur
as
proposed
between
community
development
and
the
public
works
department?
We
would
address
those
issues
as
as
non-compliance
with
their
conditional
use
permit
and
take
whatever
action
is
necessary
to
ensure
that
parking
and
queuing
does
not
does
not
is
not
detrimental
to
the
street
or
or
neighboring
properties.
D
O
D
Typically,
typically,
yes,
however,
city
staff,
okay,
we
see
things,
you
know
that
are
really
affecting
the
public
right-of-way.
We
will
will
not
wait
for
a
complaint.
O
Yeah,
this
isn't
gonna
affect
the
right-of-way.
I
think
it's
just
internal
parking
circulation,
that's
just
to
me
there.
It
doesn't
circulate
correctly
in
this
leg
off
to
the
right,
so
I'm
not
sure
what
the
workaround
for
that
is
other
than
what
they
proposed
or
just
to
not
not
count
that
you
know
maybe
just
limit.
I
don't
know.
I
don't
know
that.
I
want
to
be
that
draconian.
O
I
think
you
guys
are
smart
you'll
figure
it
out,
but
know
that
to
me
and
you
guys
are
the
pros
and
I'm
glad
you're
here,
you're
gonna
great,
I
hope
you're
super
successful,
you're
providing
great
service.
But
you
know
parents
are
a
little
hectic
in
the
morning
and
it's
a
little.
You
know
and
they're
going
here,
they're
going
there
they're
on
their
phone
they're
late
for
them,
they're,
probably
on
a
zoom
call.
O
You
know
and
they're
trying
to
drop
off
their
kid
and
it's
like
all
of
a
sudden
like,
oh
my
god,
I
I
gotta
back
up
and
the
kids
behind
me
and
how
do
I
get
in
this
trap
down
this
alley
here?
So
I
don't
know,
that's
my
biggest
concern
with
this
project
and
probably
not
enough
to
say
no,
but
I
just
wanted
to
get
it
out
there
on
the
record.
The
other
thing
is
you're,
saying
that
the
nine
parking
spaces
to
be
removed
are
not
going
to
be
removed.
L
O
O
C
E
Just
have
a
quick
question,
so
I
see
that
the
beginning
we'll
have
24
students.
Is
that
the
maximum
that
you
allow
in
a
class?
So
it's
capped
at
24.,
and
you
mentioned
that
was
it
eventually
going
to
end
up
150
students
correct,
and
that
would
be
a
cap.
P
Yes,
they
will
be
so
transitional.
Kindergarten
will
be
the
pickup
time
will
be
after
lunch,
so
around
1,
1,
30
and
then
the
rest
of
the
grades
will
be
at
2
30,
but
we
also
offer
an
after
school
program
and
that
will
end
between
5
and
5
30..
B
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
I
see
the
memorandum
of
understanding
with
the
church
is
the
is
the
school
affiliated
with
the
church.
P
No,
we
are
not,
but
we've
we've
met
with
them
and
they're
being
great
neighbors.
So
that's
just
how
we're
working,
but
we
are
not
affiliated
with
them.
D
Yes,
so
they're
a
recorded
document
specifying
that
the
church's
parking
is
available
for
the
school's
use
during
the
times
that
the
school
is
operating
will
be
in
place
before
the
school
starts
operating
the
memorandum
of
understanding
that
they
acquired
from
the
church.
That
was,
that
was,
that
was
just
their
good
faith.
Effort
to
ensure
that
something
that
we
would
require
would
actually
be
something
that
they
could
obtain
after
approval.
B
B
D
The
parking
agreement
would
only
need
to
last
as
long
as
the
school
is
operating.
However,
it
must
last
at
least
as
long
as
they're
operating
so
there
there
couldn't
be
terms
like
it
expires
in
five
years,
because,
if
that's
the
case,
they
would
no
longer
be
in
compliance
with
their
cep.
They
could
not
be.
They
could
not
continue
providing
that
their
their
operations
unless
they,
unless
they
provided
additional
parking
somewhere
else
right.
Okay,.
C
Okay,
adam
I've
got
one
question,
explain
to
me
the
sound
ordnance.
We
approve
this
there's
no
recourse
on
any
noise
violations,
correct.
D
There
are
conditions
of
approval
put
in
place
to
attempt
to
limit
the
maximum
amount
of
sound
if
those
viola,
if
they're,
if
they're,
if
they're,
not
in
compliance
with
those
conditions,
that's
something
that
we
could
enforce.
But
we
could
not
go
out
with
a
sound
meter
to
the
nearest
residences
and
take
a
sound
meter
reading
and
say
you're
over
the
sound
threshold
that
that
would
not
apply
okay.
C
Good,
so
we
did
receive
some
letters.
Are
there
any
letters
that
we
need
read
into
the
record?
You
were
emailed.
D
All
of
the
all
of
the
communications
that
city
staff
has
received
were
written
comments
that
were
forwarded
to
the
planning
commission.
C
I
My
name
is
ron
lyons,
so
do
I
have
10
minutes
or
three
minutes
three
minutes
three:
three,
each
wow
better
hurry.
We
live
46
feet
away
from
the
building,
2025
manta
raya.
Our
concern
is
the
noise,
the
potential
noise.
So
when
I
hear
you
say
you
know
they're
exempt
from
the
decibel
reading,
that's
that
bothers
us.
I
I
don't
know
why
they
dropped
the
north
playground
because,
throughout
their
whole
proposal
they
talk
about
later
putting
in
the
north
playground
that
would
put
both
playgrounds
directly
adjacent
to
the
residential
area
versus
on
the
other
side,
there's
nothing.
It
was
also
mentioned
that
the
church
would
allow
them
to
use
their
playground,
and
I
heard
something
that
maybe
they're
not
now
is
that
true,
I
don't
know
but
anyway,
if
they
use
that
playground
that's
further
away
from
the
homes.
I
I
Because
they
talk
about
the
you
know,
quote
the
two
playground
areas
shall
not
exceed
26
students
and
two
staff
members,
each
at
any
given
time
during
operation
hours.
So
they
were
talking
about
two.
So
there
could
potentially
be
52
kids
in
those
playground
areas
and
if
they
didn't
put
the
sec
the
northern
one
in
they
would
have
26..
I
Well,
26
kids
make
noise
a
lot
of
noise,
and
you
know
they're
saying
that
they're
putting
in
playgrounds
that
have
gardening
a
sand,
trap
and
turf
areas.
I
don't
know
I
I
find
that
odd.
But
if
that's
what
they
do,
that's
what
they
do.
We
just
feel
that
the
potential
of
26
kids
near
our
home
is
going
to
be
offensive
and
the
question
is:
did
they
did
they
look
at
putting
the
playgrounds
on
the
other
side?
Is
there
any
anything
about
that
so.
A
Good
evening
my
name
is
karen
lyons,
I
guess
we're
double
dipping
here.
With
our
three-minute
seats,
my
husband
and
I
are
retired.
We
were
in
san
juan
for
many
many
years
we
came
to
san
clemente.
We
love
it
here.
Our
building
is
the
most
affected
by
this
school,
like
my
husband
said:
we're
46
feet
according
to
their
measurements
from
their
building.
A
We
have
our
main
window
there,
where
our
living
area
is
when
the
facility
was
a
senior
daycare
who
these
patients
residents
were
in
their
80s
and
90s,
they
would
sit
out
on
the
patio
where
the
playground
will
be
and
we
could
hear
their
voices.
It
wasn't
bad
at
all,
but
we
could
hear
them.
I
have
also
been
awakened
at
5
30
a.m
by
the
cleaning
people
that
were
on
that
area,
cleaning
and
they're,
just
talking
in
normal
adult
voices
so
to
have
26
to
50
kids
that
close
to
our
windows.
A
I
kids
make
noise,
they
can
sit
in
color
and
they're
noisy,
so
also
our
building
has
six
units
in
it,
four
of
which
we
are
all
retired
and
we've
all
been
there
many
years
and
we
hope
to
be
there,
many
more
with
the
peace
and
quiet
and
enjoyment.
That
is
all
right.
So
I
know
that
there
were
some
emails
that
came
from
other
neighbors
that
were
at
our
hoa
meeting
tonight
and
couldn't
be
here
so
anyway.
A
I
hope
that
we
can
work
out
something
if
the
facility
goes
through,
there's
also
a
wrought
iron
fence
there,
which
is
not
going
to
block
any
noise
and
if
the
facility
goes
through,
maybe
do
a
wall,
a
solid
wall
to
block
some
of
that
noise,
because
there's
nothing
between
us
right
now,
except
grass.
C
Thank
you
douglas
eli,
okay,
mina,
you've
already
spoken,
hendra
has
spoken.
C
C
Okay,
I
was
looking
at
this
and
the
noise
study
that
were
open
for
discussion
and
instead
the
sound
study
was
pretty.
C
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
school
makes
noise
during
the
day,
but
they
do
have
evening
special
events,
open
houses,
whatever
maybe
a
christmas
program
for
the
kids
and
all,
and
if
we
find
it
necessary,
we
could
condition
that
those
areas
wouldn't
be
used
after
certain
hours.
D
D
Yes,
the
commission
has
that
can
can
take
action
to
to
limit
those
types
of
activities.
I
will
bring
the
commission's
attention
to
condition
of
approval
4.13
this
states,
the
account
the
academy
may
have
occasional
special
event,
related
events
related
to
the
school,
such
as
back
to
school
nights,
graduation
ceremonies,
parents,
nights,
etc
with
the
prior
approval
of
the
city,
planner
or
designee.
D
Any
special
activities
outside
the
normal
business
operations
of
a
school
may
require
a
special
activities
permit
as
determined
by
the
city
planner,
so
they
they
would
be
required
to
do
anything.
That's
not
in
line
with
what
the
school
would
typically
do
between
7
30
a.m
and
5.
30
p.m
is
required
to
be
discussed
with
with
city
staff,
and
at
that
point
I
would
direct
them
to.
D
Are
you
speaking
about
the
daycare,
the
bright
horizons.
P
Sorry
so
we
would
be
yes
using
it
from
2
30
to
5
30,
but
it
just
kind
of
depends
on
what
programs
are
being
offered
and
again
just
to
clarify.
Thank
you
so
much
for
coming,
and
we
appreciate
your
comments
and
we
certainly
would
love
to
talk
to
you
afterwards
and
you
can
take
our
number.
P
We
want
to
be
good
community
community
members,
so
we
will
not
be
having
the
playground
off
to
the
right
side
that
has
been
removed
because
we
have
that
agreement
with
the
church
to
use
their
playground.
That's
further
up.
C
Thank
you
stay
right.
There.
I've
got
one
question:
would
you
be
willing
to
put
a
solid?
Is
there
a
fence
on
that
particular.
P
So
there
is
that
wrought
iron
fence,
but
yes,
we
are
absolutely
open
to,
I
think,
there's
a
sound
bearing
wall.
L
If
there
is
a
requirement,
let's
say
there
is
an
issue
in
the
future
and
we
need
to
mitigate
it,
we're
perfectly
open
to
handling
it
in
a
number
of
different
ways.
One
would
be
like
a
solid
flexi
glass.
Sound
barrier
landscaping
does
wonders
as
well.
B
Is
is
the
lines
is
it
above
or
below
the
below,
so
any
defense
would
be
better
at
the
top
of
the
slope.
Yeah,
not
the.
O
B
O
Right
would
it
be
advisable,
maybe
to
sounds
like
you
guys
are
mentable
you're
flexible?
It
sounds
great.
That's
tonight
who
knows
five
years
from
now
two
years
from
now
a
month
from
now
can
would
it
be
appropriate
to
put
such
a
condition
in
then
to
yeah?
Could
I
get
some
help
with
some
wording
on
that.
C
D
Okay,
however,.
D
Recommend
yeah,
if
we,
if
we
say
something
like
sound
attenuating
devices
that
we
also
includes
like,
I
would
prefer
if
there
was
like
a
design
review
subcommittee
review
as
part
of
it,
because
there's
a
lot
of
ways
to
attenuate
sound.
And
I
I
I
don't
want
to
give
a
carte
blanche
that
might
provide.
E
In
that,
in
that
area
with
the
children,
the
outdoor
garden
is,
it
is
the
garden
area.
Is
there
any
way
that
you
could
limit
the
number
of
children
at
any
given
time.
A
E
C
Will
say
I
I
am
sensitive
to
the
sound
just
being
a
grandparent.
You
hear
the
little
critters,
the
kids.
E
C
D
A
D
Originally,
let's,
let's
make
a
it's
not
specifically
identified
in
here,
okay
and
and
they
would
need
a
staff
waiver
of
an
architectural
permit
to
actually
construct
that.
Okay,
it's
not
a
discretionary
application,
so
that
would
be
a
staff
determination,
but
knowing
what
was
actually
approved,
what
was
discussed
they
they
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
get
that,
knowing
that
that
was
not
part
of
this
application.
D
However,
I
think
it's
better
if
we
write
that
and
yeah
put
a
condition
of
approval
that
says
that
no
areas
of
existing
parking
lot
shall
be
converted
to
yeah
parking
or
to
playground.
So
let's
go
with
a
motion
would
be
based
on
staff
recommendation
to
determine
the
project
is
categorically
exempt
and
then,
if
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
read
the
motion
and
then.
O
Okay,
so,
mr
chairman,
if
you
would,
I
will
move
approval
of
resolution,
pc
22-04
resolution
of
the
planning
commission
of
the
city
of
san
clemente,
california,
proving
conditional
use
permit
21-290
for
root
and
blossom
academy
to
establish
a
new
private
school
at
2021,
cali
frontera.
L
On
on
that
condition,
it
sounds
like
it's
required
to
put
in
that
sound
attenuation
wall.
Can
it
read
that,
if
required,.
D
D
So
this
is
once
the
once.
The
school
is
permitted
as
far
as
as
they
can
either
require
those
types
of
features
to
be
installed,
but
there's
nothing
at
this
point,
but
there's
nothing.
There's
no
point
in
the
future
where
we
could
say
well,
it's
too
loud.
So
now
you
have
to
do
something.
That's
good!
That's
going
to
be
a
very
difficult
thing
to
it's!
A
it's!
A
rather
unenforceable
condition.
H
D
Well,
because
if
neighbors
can
always
submit
complaints
to
the
city
based
on
operations
of
any
conditional
use
permit
and
that's
something
that
our
code
compliance
division
deals
with
and
enforces
what
we're
talking
about
here,
though,
is
there
are
there
are?
There
are
only
so
many
points
in
this
process
where
the
planning
commission
can
address
potential
noise
impacts.
J
No,
I
think
that
the
the
reason
that
we're
discussing
this
condition
of
approval
now
is
because
the
commission
wanted
to
have
some
assurance
that,
to
the
extent
there's
agreement
between
the
applicant
and
the
neighbors
tonight
to
work
out
any
sort
of
additional
feature
that
would
attenuate
noise
in
this
area
that
there
is
a
trigger
or
a
mechanism
in
the
record
that
commits
the
parties.
To
doing
that,
I
think
you
know
to
ensure
that
that
the
good
will
that's
that's
being
shown
tonight
is
good.
J
Will
that
carries
forward
into
the
future
and
will
actually
be
implemented
rather
than
you
know,
forgotten,
and
so
I
think
that's
the
purpose
of
the
condition
of
approval
tonight
to
memorialize
that
agreement
that
the
commission
is
hearing
the
parties
open
to
explore
at
this
point
in
time.
Did
I
get
that
correct,
chair
and
commission?
Okay,
you
agree
adam.
A
O
D
However,
I
I
want
to
I
I'm
always
very
cognizant
of
the
need
to
have
enforceable
conditions
and
really
sometimes
the
the
bad
position
the
city
could
be
put
in
if
this
is
not.
If
this
is
not
thought
through,
I
would
like
to
be
able
to
find
an
opportunity
in
the
future
where
there
could
be
a
trigger
point
when
this
is
required.
D
Require
it
sounds
like
the
better
option
here
is
just
just
simply
require
it
now.
The
safety
valve
here
is
that
we're
not
requiring
a
specific
thing,
we're
not
requiring
a
specific
cmu
block
wall
which
can
be
very
expensive.
There
could
be
other
options
for
sound
attenuation
devices,
and
that's
why
I
want
the
designer
subcommittee
to
have
some
input
before
it
can
be
administratively
approved,
so
that
if
there
are
less
expensive
options
that
that
do
the
trick,
then,
as
long
as
it
as
long
as
it
looks
nice
for
the
neighbors,
that's
we
want
to.
D
You
know
make
sure
that
you
know
that.
That's
that
that
that
that
is
considered.
L
Can
can
we
propose
something?
That
is
sorry.
This
is
kind
of
stream
of
consciousness
here,
but
we
would
like
to
be
able
to
take
readings
of
what
the
actual
conditions
are
like
with
the
children
out
there
and
I'm
wondering
if
there's
a
way
to
state
in
the
conditions
that,
within
three
months
or
within
six
months
after
opening
that
a
suitable,
sound
attenuation
barrier
will
be
installed,
subject
to
the
approval
of
the
design
review
process.
C
Well,
we're
saying
that
it
can't
that's
one
of
the
options:
okay,
but
I
think
when
it
goes
to
design
review
that
can
be
reviewed
and
but
if
we
don't
put
it
in
this
way
and
you
do
a
sound
study,
we
can't
look
at
sound
study.
Basically
once
it's
approved
as
a
school,
we're
out
of
the
sound
business.
Well,.
J
Well,
I
think,
chair
with
regard
to
the
city's
role
in
enforcement.
Once
the
permit
is
granted
and
the
school
is
operating.
It
is
accurate
that
the
school
is
exempt
from
the
city's
noise
code.
There
are
still
nuisance
laws
that
are
at
play.
You
know
that
all
property
owners
can
invoke.
That
would
not
involve
the
city
right
and
we
would.
J
We
would
prefer
to
avoid
that
type
of
situation
at
all
costs,
so
there
is
recourse
that
could
be
had,
but
if
we
were
to
draft
the
condition
in
the
way
that
adam
has
suggested
and
if
the
commission
were
inclined
to
entertain
what
what
the
applicant's
representative
is
suggesting,
which
is
give
us
some
time
to
take
some
actual
readings
once
the
kids
are
out
there,
so
we
can
figure
out
what
type
of
attenuation
is
necessary.
J
You
can
craft
the
condition
of
approval
now
in
that
way.
So
if
you
want
to
give
lead
time,
you
could
do
that
because
it
wouldn't
be
a
a
at
that
point.
It
wouldn't
be
an
enforcement
action
that
the
city
is
taking
as
against
the
property
owner
under
the
nuisance
abatement
process.
It
would
instead
be
the
city
evaluating
whether
the
condition
of
approval
that
it
imposed
tonight
through
your
process
was
actually
satisfied
or
not
so
you
do
have
latitude
there.
J
If
you
wanted
to
to
bake
in
some
kind
of
timing
process-
or
you
know
some
kind
of
measurement
taking
prior
to
deciding
what
is
appropriate,
we
have
a
motion.
E
A
E
J
O
Mr
chairman,
I'd
like
to
make
an
adjustment
what
I'm
hearing
did
I
hear
you
correctly
if
you
had
three
months
after
say,
occupancy
certificate
of
occupancy
with
that
to
to
determine
an
adequate?
O
You
know
sound
attenuation
strategy.
Would
that
would
that
meet
your
needs.
L
L
Of
time,
three
months
to
come
back
to
the
city,
with
a
plan
for
what
we're
going
to
do
right.
C
L
If
it's
a
hedge,
then
yes,
it
could
be
a
matter
of
weeks.
B
D
So,
from
staff's
perspective
from
staff's
perspective,
I
do
like
what
the
applicant
laid
out.
D
I
would
recommend,
if
that's
the
case,
that
maybe
we
can
put
some
limitations
on
the
number
of
students
that
could
be
at
the
playground
prior
to
the
installation
of
sound
attenuating
devices
and
the
reason
I
say
this
is
because
giving
giving
a
giving
a
carte
blanche
approval
to
use
a
space
when
there
is
what
the
commission
identifies
as
a
very
high
potential
for
a
need
for
sound
attenuating
devices
means
that
the
neighbors
could
be
listening
for
six
months
to
to
to
just
to
sounds
that,
if
on
their
own
would
not
have
been
allowed
like.
D
If,
if
we
did
not
require
a
or
there
was
no
option
for
a
sound
attenuating
wall,
the
account
the
commission's
decision
may
have
been
different.
I
don't
want
to
put
the
residents
in
a
position
where
they're
listening
to
you
know,
kids
playing
you
know
all
day
for
six
months
and
and
while
the
city's
working
with
the
applicant
to
figure
out
what
to
install.
D
O
O
I
mean,
if
that
I
just
feel
like.
If
you
got
you
guys,
want
to
be
responsible,
good
neighbors,
you
are
going
to
have
a
lot
of
children
out
in
that
back
patio.
We
all
know
what
the
kind
of
no
you
guys
are
experts.
You
know
the
noise,
the
chatter
that
kids
have.
I
think
you
can
figure
it
out
quite
frankly,
prior
to
occupancy.
I
think
you
can
so
I
think
I
would
like
to
just
leave
my
motion,
as
is
as
david,
because
I
think
they.
C
We
have
a
motion
by
cosgrove
and
I.
C
Secondly,
prescott
mr
prescott
aye.
G
B
D
Could
we
could
I
request
a
five-minute
break
to
help
it
get
some
time
to
set
up
for
our
final
presentation?
Okay,.
A
C
Q
Thank
you,
crandall
and
planning
commissioners.
I
do
have
a
presentation,
so
I'm
going
to
ask
it
to
pull
that
up
and
I'm
going
to
preface
that
by
saying
we
did
review
a
lot
of
this
information
at
your
prior
meeting.
Q
So
I'm
going
to
be
very
quick
through
most
of
these
slides,
but
keeping
that
intact
for
the
record
and
some
of
the
newer
information
is
towards
the
end
so
I'll
slow
a
bit
as
we
get
to
the
end
of
the
presentation
before
your
discussion
and
opportunity
for
questions
so
again
we're
looking
at
a
code
amendment
a
zoning
amendment
regarding
parklets
for
dining
and
if
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
Q
The
council
directed
us
to
explore
an
extension
of
that
using
the
state
legislation,
av,
61
and
314
as
groundwork,
which
would
set
up
a
program
that
would
run
for
the
remainder
of
this
year
and
next
year,
a
temporary
program
that
would
terminate
at
the
end
of
2023
next
slide.
Please,
the
current
outdoor
dining
standards
within
our
municipal
code
are
within
17
to
8205,
and
a
few
of
the
limitations
of
that
code.
Q
Section
are
referenced
here,
but,
for
instance,
a
public
hearing
is
often
required
for
those,
and
so
this
temporary
program
would
offer
a
more
streamlined
version
for
the
next
two
year
period.
If
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
1728
206
is
where
that
is
proposed
to
go.
That's
included.
It's
attachment,
3
within
the
staff
report,
and
the
the
goal
of
this
program
is
to
be
very
clear
about
some
of
the
design
standards,
location
standards,
etc,
so
that
the
type
of
review
that
we
would
go
through
is
essentially
a
check
the
box
review.
Q
There
is
still
a
caveat
for
exceptions
where
the
design
review
board
would
be
involved
if
there
are
requests
that
don't
meet
the
check
the
box
format.
If
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
there's
a
guidelines
document,
that's
intended
to
be
a
bit
more
visual
and
user
friendly
for
businesses
that
are
looking
to
apply.
That
will
also
be
a
little
bit
more
of
a
flexible
document
if
there
is
additional
guidelines
that
come
to
the
city's
attention
that
need
to
be
incorporated
beyond.
Q
What's
in
corp
a
part
of
the
code
amendment,
that
document
can
be
revised
a
bit
more
readily.
If
we
go
to
the
next
slide
at
the
end
of
that
guidelines
document
we
have,
we
will
have
these
blueprints
that
are
going
to
be
the
standard
expectation
for
businesses
that
are
looking
to
have
a
parklet
in
the
city
right
of
way.
So
to
be
clear,
this
is
for
public
streets.
This
is
not
obviously
the
private
use
of
space,
so
this
is
was
prepared
by
smp
environmental.
Q
A
couple
of
quick
changes
from
the
last
time
that
you
had
seen
these
there's
a
removal
of
the
reference
to
string
lights,
which
the
majority
of
the
commission
had
a
preference
for
a
removal
to
the
reference
of
trees,
referencing
shrubs
instead
and
then
an
ad
of
a
reference
to
concrete
planters.
Q
I'd
add
that
I
am
looking
to
make
another
modification
to
this
to
be
more
clear
about
the
spacing
of
those
concrete
planters
and
add
that,
as
a
dimension
onto
this
plan
for
the
final
version,
if
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
parallel
parking.
The
same
changes
were
made.
Q
I'll
also
add
to
this
that,
within
the
guidelines
document,
given
some
of
the
commentary
from
the
commission
at
our
prior
meeting,
I
added
some
language
within
the
guidelines
referencing
that
the
pure
bowl
area
would
be
allowed
an
exception
from
the
40-foot
standard
that
would
apply
to
other
areas
within
the
city.
If
we
could
go
to
the
next
slide,
please.
Q
So
this
is
an
additional
sheet
that
was
added
by
smp
environmental
recommending
a
few
types
of
trees
and
giving
a
sample
of
what
some
of
those
shrubs
could
look
like
and
the
you
know
I
if
the
commission
has
comments
on
these
types
again.
This
is
something
that
I
can
certainly
modify
before
we
print
the
final
version.
If
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
the
commission
was
interested
in
and
a
quick
pull.
Q
So
this
is
I
I
will
be
clear,
not
a
a
comprehensive
poll
of
the
entire
downtown,
but
I
sent
a
poll
to
prior
participants
in
this
program
just
to
get
a
sense
of
interest
and
participation.
The
first
two
here
are
very
generic:
what's
your
role
with
in
san
clemente
business,
so
90
of
the
respondents
here
are
restaurant
owners,
and
that's
because
this
was
addressed
primarily
to
a
list
of
people
who
had
participated
or
been
involved
in
this
program.
Q
Previously,
you
see
that
there
is
obviously
a
strong
preference
for
the
program
to
return.
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide-
and
this
is
where
there's
a
little
bit
more
meat
or
in
information
that
the
commission
was
looking
for.
I'm
gonna
take
the
time
to
read
through
that
first
question.
So
the
city's
design
review
subcommittee
recommended
that
outdoor
dining
on
public
streets
and
parking
areas
be
consistent
below
and
there
was
a
photo
provided
of.
The
the
sample
blueprint
below
is
an
example
of
the
template
being
considered.
Q
Businesses
that
are
interested
to
participate
would
incur
a
few
costs
construction
of
a
deck
that
is
flush
with
the
curb
purchase
of
three
to
five
concrete
planters
that
are
likely
to
be
about
400
each
and
a
monthly
fee
for
the
use
of
space,
potentially
around
750
a
month.
Obviously
that's
to
be
determined
by
council
at
a
future
point
that
will
go
towards
the
trolley
or
other
mobility
services.
Q
Understanding
these
costs
would
your
business
apply
for
a
parklet
dining
permit
in
2022-2023,
while
there
was
100
interest
in
the
program,
you
see
that
two
of
the
ten
fell
off
from
this
level
of
information
next
question:
if
the
city
required
those
dining
decks
to
be
removed
for
the
winter,
does
that
change
your
response?
And
you
see
that
that
we
are
now
at
five,
so
half
of
the
respondents
would
no
longer
participate,
so
I
just
wanted
to
provide
again.
Q
So
zoning
amendment
is
the
discretionary
action
in
front
of
you
and
there
are
two
findings
for
that.
The
first
is
that
the
proposed
amendment
is
consistent
with
the
general
plan.
The
second
is
that
the
proposed
amendment
will
not
adversely
affect
the
public
health,
safety
and
welfare.
If
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
I
included
a
few.
The
supportive
general
plan
policies,
I'm
not
going
to
read
through
all
these
in
detail,
but
I'll
highlight
a
couple
of
them
quickly.
So
the
the
first
is
flexibility.
Q
We
allow
flexibility
to
accommodate
market
changes
for
the
mix
of
uses
and
then,
as
you
move
forward,
including
use
of
public
spaces
that
create
community
gathering
places
and
activity
nodes
or
help
strengthen
its
character
and
identity.
There's
also
included
here,
policies
supporting
outdoor
dining
commercial
uses
of
on
public
sidewalks
and
and
other
public
space
and
plaza
improvements.
These
policies
are
also
referenced
within
the
resolution.
Q
We
could
go
to
the
next
slide
and
the
option
in
front
of
you
this
evening.
The
alternatives
would
be
to
recommend
city
council
approval
of
the
proposed
zoning
amendments,
recommend
approval,
but
with
recommended
changes
to
what's
in
front
of
you
or
recommend
that
the
city
council
deny
the
proposed
zoning
amendments,
and
in
that
case
we
would
need
to
come
back
with
a
different
resolution
if
we
go
to
the
next
slide.
I
do
want
to
with
this
slide,
make
the
commission
aware
that
I
had
some
additional
discussion
with
our
public
works
division.
Q
After
this
report
had
been
published,
there
was
a
couple
of
things
that
they
raised
as
potential
recommended
changes
into
the
final
version,
so
the
first
was
there's
a
six
by
six
recommended
drain
cleanout
and
zach
ponson.
Q
Our
deputy
director
recommended
expanding
that
to
a
5
by
18
minimum,
and
then
there
was
also
a
request
to
allow
the
public
works,
division
or
the
city
engineer
some
discretion
over
any
line
of
sight
consideration,
so
that
the
template
would
be
an
administrative
approval
still,
but
that
the
the
city
engineer
could
require
increases
beyond
what
is
currently
listed.
So
we
are
more
conservative
now
than
we
were
with
the
prior
program,
we're
requiring
a
10-foot
separation
from
alleys
or
intersections.
Q
So
an
example
of
that
would
be
avilas.
For
instance,
el
ranchito.
They
did
have
a
setback
from
the
intersection,
but
not
very
significant,
so
they
would
be
required
ten
feet.
The
city
engineer
under
this
recommendation
would
be,
would
have
the
discretion
to
increase
that
further
if
he
desired
and
then
finally,
the
locations
on
private
property
should
be
within
parking
stalls
unless
approved
otherwise
by
the
city
engineer
or
planner.
Q
The
next
slide
is
simply
moving
on
to
discussion
or
questions,
and
I
do
know
that
we
have
some
members
of
our
downtown
business
community
here
to
discuss
as
well.
C
Very
good-
and
we
do
have
the
cards
for
that
also
question
for
you.
I
know
that
at
least
one,
if
not,
multiple
restaurant
businesses
have
designated
public
parking
as
uber,
drop-offs
or
pickups,
and
grub
grubhub,
but
not,
and
how
are
we
accounting
for
that
taking
over
spaces
that
were
intended
for
parking.
Q
So
so
that's
not
something
that's
accounted
for
currently
within
the
proposed
code
amendment.
That
would
be,
of
course,
something
that
at
this
time
applies
only
to
private
areas.
There's
not
currently
public
spaces
that
are
designated
for
uber.
We
did
temporarily
have
a
pickup
drop-off
zone
during
the
pandemic
that,
where
a-frame
signs
are
put
out
by
public
works,
those
are
are
not
out
on
the
sidewalks
anymore.
C
Q
Still
has
a
scenario
on
the
top
side
there,
so
those
are
that
that
allowance
has
ended.
So
that's
something
that
we
would
work
with
on
the
staff
side
to
make
sure
that
any
remaining
signage
is
removed
from
those.
C
Was
any
discussion
had
obviously
we've
been
in
the
discussions,
but
limiting
things
or
how
these
affect
special
events
like
the
car
show
like.
B
Q
Yes,
yeah.
Thank
you
for
that
question
and
I
realized
I'm
sitting
too
far
away
from
the
microwave
microphone.
I'll
sit
a
little
bit
closer
earlier.
Forgive
me
so
the
I
did
have
a
discussion
with
the
downtown
business
association
on
that,
because
they're
the
only
entity
that
has
run
a
program
so
far
that
was
run
at
the
same
time
and
they
did
have
concerns
before
that
program.
But
they
they
did
have
a
very
successful
car,
show
much
more
successful
than
they
were
anticipating.
Q
Actually
so
they
they
felt
that
with
what
was
proposed,
that
they
would
not
have
impacts
and
the
fiesta
is
concerned
about
potential
impacts
for
the
same
reason
that
they
look
at
they're.
Looking
at
booth
spaces
that
could
be
used
or
a
loss
of
space,
as
we've
talked
about,
there's
also
going
to
be
more
available
street
space
expected
than
what
we've
had
in
the
past.
Given
that
there's
a
limitation
to
three
parking
spaces
and
also
the
cost
implication
and
seeing
that
we
do
have
some
restaurants
that
would
not
participate,
given
the
cost.
O
Q
Better
sure,
so
there
was
an
interest.
Let
me
start
by
by
clarifying
that
the
state
legislation
that
we're
using
as
kind
of
the
enabling
platform
to
build
this
from
does
not
require
parking
for
the
outdoor
spaces.
So
the
commission
and
council
can
discuss
what
they
think
is
appropriate.
One
piece
that
was
recommended
within
design
review
is
a
reference
to
what
we
already
have
in
our
code
regarding
parking
waivers
and
and
there's
some
set
limits,
so
so
some
set
ability
and
limitations
to
that.
Q
So
our
code
allows
for
based
off
fire
parking
study
up
to
90
waivers
to
be
given,
and
then
once
you
pass
that
90
waiver
threshold,
it
says
that
the
city
should
initiate
a
study
of
parking,
and
so
my
recommendation
and
staff
reporting
that
would
carry
forward
to
city
council
is
that
the
city
council
authorize
and
fund
a
study
to
take
a
look
at
the
parking,
because
this
program
would
essentially,
even
though
it's
temporary,
we
would
be
granting
an
equivalent.
That
would
push
us
push
us
beyond
that.
90,
not
up
to
the
180.
O
I
just
read
the
2018
at
your
suggestion
and
there's
some
good
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
in
there
and
there's
a
lot
of
recommendations
in
there,
which
I
don't
know
that
we've
where
those
stand
you
know,
I
just
I
guess,
I'm
just
coming
from
a
more
fiscal
conservative
like
don't.
We
already
have
a
study.
It
has
a
bunch
of
recommendations
in
it
that
we
probably
could
just
look
at
and
say
well
do
we
want
to
do
these
because
this
is
temporary?
O
I
mean
if,
if
it
were
me-
and
it's
not
up
to
me,
but
if
it
were,
I
kind
of
would
put
that
money
towards
a
more
of
a
envisioning
session
around.
What
should
our
downtown
look
like
you
know?
Should
we
have
a
paseo?
Should
we
put
a
parking
deck
in?
Should
we
do
I
mean
I
would
do
that.
I
wouldn't
retread
the
same
parking
study
that
we
just
did
four
years
ago
to
get
kind
of
similar
results,
because
I
looked
when
I
read
it.
O
I'm
like
these
are
all
common
sense
things
and
I
I
don't
know
that
they're
going
to
pull
out
any
magic
doing
it
again.
It's
the
same
thing.
You
know
figure
out
how
to
get
people
to
these
private
parking.
Lots
figure
out
how
to
get
people
on
the
shuttle,
maybe
re-look
at
some
of
the
red
curve.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
there's
only
so
many
finite
things
we
can
do
so
I
don't
know
how
were
you?
Are
you
asking
us
to
recommend
an
additional
parking
study?
So
that's
against
the
question.
Q
Yeah,
so
that
recommendation
out
was
an
outflow
from
discussions
that
were
had
at
design
review
to
reference
our
existing
code
through
this
program.
It's
certainly
the
prerogative
of
the
commission.
If,
if
you
think
that
that
effort.
Q
Need
I'm,
I
that's
there
because
of
the
code
reference
so.
Q
Pass
the
90,
so
I
think,
there's
a
logical
point
to
take
a
look
at
parking.
If
the
commission
thinks
there's
a
a
more
optimal
way
to
to
take
a
look
at
parking
than
recounting,
then
absolutely,
I
think
that's
a
lot.
O
O
You
know,
yes
temporarily,
because
we
have
the
kovid
exemption
for
the
state,
but
maybe
we
should
be
looking
at
if
it's
successful,
we
can
make
it
work.
Should
this
become
something
part
of
our
city
more
permanent,
and
to
me
that
would
be
the
study.
We
would
do
what,
if
we
wanted
to
make
this
permanent,
what
are
some
of
the
other?
What
are
some.
O
Yeah
more
long-term,
and
we
can
even
you
know
I
don't
want
to
go
crazy,
but
to
me
it
is
an
opportunity
to
kind
of
reimagine
that
part
of
that
downtown
area
at
one
time.
C
We're
only
in
presentation,
we
talked
about
a
design-based
code
for
downtown,
where
you
could
designate
certain
areas
that
okay.
This
is
what
this
area
of
the
street
is
going
to
be
like
yeah
and
it's
basically
called
a
form-based
code,
okay
and
with
the
council
at
that
time
that
didn't
go
anywhere
so
yeah.
Maybe
it
can
be
resurrected.
O
Yeah,
I
guess
I
would
just
maybe
I
would,
if
you're,
okay
with
this
jonathan,
I
would
probably
say-
and
if
the
commission
is
okay
with
it-
probably
just
wordsmith
it
from
a
the
dpsa
into
some
kind
of
a
impact
study
it
to
of
the
success
of
the
program
and
its
continuation.
O
A
O
C
O
But
that's
I
mean,
rather
than
just
making
about
parking
making
it
about.
How
would
we
continue
the
program
after
the
extent
after
the
exemption?
You
know
well.
C
O
Q
Yeah
just
a
couple
quick
thoughts
on
that
front,
so
you
know:
we've
recognized
the
challenge
of
parking
and
there's
been
discussions
about.
You
know
parking
structures
come
up
regularly
and
community
dialogue
is,
you
know
an
opportunity
we
I
I
actually
applied
for
a
grant
to
look
at
doing
a
parking
management
plan,
so
it's
a
little
bit
more,
not
just
counting
but
getting
into
what
are
some
mobility
alternatives
getting
a
little
bit
more
in
depth
with
with
that,
unfortunately,
we
were
not
awarded
that
grant.
Q
I
think
that
that
could
be
something
that's
a
little
closer
to
what
you're,
considering
not
just
recounting
but
getting
into
you
know
what
are
some
vision,
opportunities
of
a
different
way
to
handle
that
that
could
be
one
option,
as
opposed
to
just
doing.
Another
study
account
looking
at
a
a
parking
management
plan
and
then
that
could
be
a
stepping
stone
for
the
commission
and
council
to
consider
that
topic
more
broadly
of
of
that
transition.
C
Okay,
any
other
questions.
E
C
E
Can
you
thank
you,
can
you
review
the
purple
how
different
it
is
from
the
line.
Q
Sure
so,
right
now
the
is
a
it's
pretty
minor
change
that
was
incorporated
and
it
was
just
incorporated
into
the
guidelines
document
and
there
is
specific
language
that,
with
the
angle
and
parking
businesses
can
have
up
to
three
angle
and
spaces.
Parallel
parking,
it's
the
equivalent
of
two
so
40
feet
is
the
dimension
and
that's,
what's
reflected
in
the
standard
plans,
there's
a
a
tag
line
at
the
end
of
the
description
for
the
parallel
parking
and
the
guidelines.
Q
Now
that
says
that
for
the
purebull
area
they
may
be
exempt
from
that
40-foot
restriction.
I
Q
So
the
the
topic
there-
and
this
is
what
comes
back
to
you-
know
where
I
reference
the
state
enabling
legislation-
is
there's
a
temporary
window
where
we
have
the
ability
to
be
exempt
from
the
additional
parking
impacts
of
the
expanded,
dining
areas.
Q
We
can
restrict
that
the
commission
and
council
can
make
a
recommendation
to
to
specify
any
limitation
that
you
would
like
to
do.
We
don't
have
to
so
currently
there's
not
a
specific
restriction
of
that
sort.
It's
something
that
the
commission
could
consider.
Yeah.
I
A
I
Standards
make
it
and
unless
somehow
they
can
figure
that
well,
I
could
put
four
more
seats
out
there.
You
know
and
that
pays
for
the
expansion,
but
I
don't
think
it's
really
fair
that
they
can
make
themselves.
You
know
larger
than
what
they're
originally
permitted
with,
in
other
words,
increase
their
occupancy
or
their
number
of
tables.
C
That's
the
big
question:
what's.
O
C
We
go
too
far
here.
So,
let's
close
the
question
we
have
jonathan
here
to
discuss
this
with
and
we
will
open
public
comment
and
the
first
one
is
mickey
rathbun.
C
O
Back
me
up
on
this
jonathan,
if
I
have
it
wrong,
but
I
think
there's
a
provision
if
the
outdoor
dining
platform
is
going
to
encroach
on
your
street
space,
that
the
restaurant
is
now
required
to
put
a
sign
up,
directing
them
to
your
hey.
Your
business
is
over
with
your
logo,
with
your
name,
you
know
saying
it's
here:
is
that
correct
and
is
that
satisfy
what
you're
concerned
about.
K
Well,
I
guess
it's
helpful,
so
I,
if
they're
going
to
be
put
up
regardless,
I
guess
of
concern
of
blocking
other
businesses,
and
we
do
have
the
opportunity
to
have
a
sign.
I
did
see
that
it's
a
very
generous
size,
so
it
would,
you
know,
draw
some
nice
attention
to
our
business.
It
is
a
good
thing,
but
it
doesn't
equal
the
impact
of
having
my
store
blocked
by
another
business
that
we're
on
avenida
del
mar
for
a
prime
location
for
visibility
downtown
and
to
have
that
blocked
is
a
real
bummer
that
we
could
have.
K
O
K
K
F
K
C
You
you're
welcome
mark
mcguire.
A
Good
evening
mark
maguire
otherwise
known
as
johnny
one
note
on
this
item
and
that's
don't
forget
the
pure
bowl
and
the
pure
bowl
is
a
little
bit
different
from
the
t-zone
I
mean
I
I
know
or
del
mar.
I
know
that
most
of
the
focus
has
been
on
the
questions
of
del
mar,
which
are
a
little
more
complicated.
A
I
want
to
thank
jonathan
for
getting
this
back
to
you
guys
so
quickly
and
to
get
it
eventually
to
the
council
so
that
there
can
be
outdoor
dining
on
del
mar
again,
we've
been
able,
you
know
again
by
fighting
to
keep
the
pure
bowl
outdoor
dining
in
place,
and
it's
continuing
to
be
very,
very
successful.
We've
had
beautiful
weekends
and
people
have
enjoyed
their
time
out
there.
A
I
appreciated
the
flexibility
language
that
that
jonathan
added,
I
think,
the
one
thing
that
I
would
suggest
warrants
further
consideration
is
the
question
of
the
limit
of
the
number
of
outdoor
seats
and,
while
I
heard
and
understand
the
concerns
that
led
to
the
16
seat
limit
suggestion,
I
would
just
respectfully
say
that
there
are
certain
cases
where
I
think
that
that
restriction
isn't
necessary
and
more
seats
could
be
benign
and
certainly
beneficial
from
the
experience
that
people
have
certainly
in
the
pure
bowl
and
I'll
just
use
lagalette
my
clients,
restaurant.
A
As
an
example,
we
obtained
approval
for
a
remodel
for
to
allow
expansion
into
some
retail
space,
so
that
he's
now
allowed
to
have
32
32
indoor
seats
and
16
outdoor
seats.
Forget
the
outdoor,
dining
temporary
program,
etc.
He's
entitled
to
that
and
we
mitigated
for
that
by
contributing
toward
the
trolley.
A
It
was
voluntary
at
the
city,
but
it
was
something
that
we
knew
the
coastal
commission
was
going
to
require
and
the
coastal
commission
did
require
that-
and
I
don't
know
if
some
of
you
know-
but
you
know
when
the
the
last
measurements
of
the
trolley
when
it
was
in
full
swing.
There
were
55
000
boardings
at
the
pier
bowl
and
around
the
same
number
at
the
outlet
center
and
there's
lots
of
parking
at
the
outlet
center
train
drops
off
at
the
pier
bowl
etcetera.
A
So
there
are
a
lot
of
people
down
there
looking
for
places
to
eat
and
enjoy
their
time
here
in
san
clemente
that
doesn't
involve
driving
and
parking
in
the
pier
bowl
parking
lot.
But
lagalette
with
the
32
indoor
and
16
outdoor
they've,
been
operating
with
zero
indoor
seats
and
to
limit
that
operation
to
just
16
outdoor
is
a
real
lost
opportunity.
A
It
just
means
people
will
have
to
wait
to
sit
down
and
eat,
there's
room
to
accommodate
more
than
16
and
16
and
he's
not
trying
to
take
advantage
of
the
situation
where
he's
maxing
out
the
indoor
and
and
maxing
out
the
outdoors.
So
I
just
I
guess
I
would
hope
that
there's
additional
discussion
on
flexibility
for
outdoor
seats,
certainly
maybe
as
a
shifting
between
indoor
and
outdoor.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
C
C
A
Yeah,
when,
eventually
when
they
do
the
remodel
you're
right,
the
the
the
one
of
the
goals,
as
you
recall,
is
to
open
up,
have
the
ability
to
roll
it
up
and
have
it
essentially
feel
like
you're
outside,
and
there
may
not
be
the
same
need.
On
the
other
hand,
the
activating
the
street
the
way
that
we've
been
able
to
do
in
the
pure
bowl
by
adding
those
parklets
has
been
just
it's
all
beneficial.
A
It's
all
icing
on
top
in
my
opinion,
and
it's
so
much
so
that
the
council
has
a
cip
plan
to
expand
the
sidewalk
permanently
to
allow
for
additional
outdoor
dining
out
there,
which
we'll
pay
for
will
contribute
to
the
trolley
multimodal
transportation
and
everything
else.
But
the
notion
that
somehow
we
want
to
just
limit
the
number
of
seats
you
know
and
not
have
any
flexibility
on
that.
I
just
think
it's
a
lost
opportunity.
A
I
I
would
say,
with
regard
to
the
pure
side
as
another
example
and
again
they're,
not
my
client,
but
if
you've
ever
been
to
the
pier
side.
Some
of
their
tables
are
deep
inside
that
restaurant
and
really
pretty
far
from
light
and
air,
and
there
are
probably
times
on
beautiful
days
where
they
would
gladly
trade
off
not
having
you
know,
eight
or
twelve
of
their
seats
operating
on
the
inside
to
have
an
additional,
eight
or
twelve
seats
out
on
the
outdoor
parklet.
A
So
that's
the
type
of
thing
that
I
I
hope
people
can
be
creative
and-
and
we
you
know,
address
the
concerns,
but
also
activate
the
street
in
a
positive.
R
My
son
has
a
deli
on
del
mar
and
we
are
residents
of
downtown
san
clemente.
So,
first
of
all,
thank
you
for
giving
this
time
to
this
project.
Thank
you,
jonathan,
who
has
been
very
helpful
in
being
doing
all
the
research,
so
my
first
comment
starts
from
what
mark
said
before
many.
We
have
not-
maybe
it's.
R
It
all
derives
from
the
experience
we
have
had,
but
once
people
have
the
option
of
having
the
outdoor
patio
and
the
possibility
of
eating
inside
they
all
select
the
outdoor
patio
and
for
our
limited
experience
between
april
and
november,
it
was
we
almost
always
had
the
inside
empty
and
the
patio
and
all
the
people
wanted
to
stay
outside.
So
maybe
talking
about
the
flexibility
of
the
number
of
people
outside
could
be
an
interesting
point.
R
And
I
come
to
the
third
point,
which
is
which
was
originally
my
first
one,
which
is
and
that
I
want
to
bring
to
your
attention
because
you
are,
you
are
dealing
more
with
the
administrative
and
and
and
the
policy
section.
R
Our
small
patio
cost
us
about
ten
thousand
dollars
to
disassemble
the
patio
cost
us
approximately
twenty
three
hundred
dollars
and
we
have
kept.
We
have
had
the
chance
of
keeping
the
wood
in
the
back
of
our
place
and
we
hope
it
was
not
messed
up
by
the
rain.
We
don't
know
how
much
of
it
we're
going
to
be
able
to
reuse.
R
So
in
deciding
how
long
the
project
stays.
If,
whether
it's
just
six
months
or
more,
please
keep
in
mind.
There
are
huge
costs
involved
which
are
not
immediately
visible,
and
this
is
also
applies
to
the
number
of
people
over
which
we
can
amortize
the
cost
of
this,
to
which
we
add
the
cost
of
the
parking
space
that
we
are
going
to
pay
to
the
city
for
the
trolley,
which
is
our
duty,
and
I
am
totally
in
favor
of
that
number.
Three.
I've
noticed
in
the
design
of
the
parklets.
R
C
O
Sure
I
I'm,
I
don't
know
where
we,
where
your
accommodation
for
the
pure
bowl
has
fallen
short
with.
You
know
that
comment,
but
I
think
whatever
we
can
do
to
accommodate
there's
more
space
there.
So
I
think
if
we
could
accommodate
more
space,
I
think
that
was
that
would
be
goodness.
O
The
other
thing
is
with
respect
to
the
plants.
I
do
think
that,
while
that
adds
a
lot
of
features,
the
only
thing
I
would
be
concerned
is-
and
I
don't
I'm
not
a
plant
expert,
but
when
I
look
at
those
pictures,
one
or
two
jump
out
of
me
is:
are
those
like
plants
that
attract
insects,
bees
in
particular
that
would
not
be
friendly
for
people
sitting
out
there?
So
I
would
just
make
sure
that
those
plants
are
not
attracting
the
bees
at
least
or
wasps.
O
Yeah,
I
I
don't
know
back
to
my
other
comment
about
the
parking.
I
just
think
that
if
we
just
broaden
this
a
little
bit
from
just
a
parking
study
to
like
what
you're
saying,
maybe
parking,
management
or
or
strategies
to
encourage
continued
outdoor
activities,
something
like
this,
you
know
supporting
strategies
or
something
like
that,
something
broader.
So
it's
not
just
a
count
spots.
You
know
just
something
a
little
bit
more
strategic.
I
think
that
would
be
my
my
request.
O
If
everybody
here
is
okay
with
that
and
then
the
last
thing
is,
I
understand
what
my
colleague
down
down
the
aisle
there
is
saying
about.
You
know
we
don't
wanna,
it's
not
fair
if
they
were
giving
them
more
seats
than
they
had
permitted.
The
only
feeling
I
have
about
that
is
the
pandemic
was
a
very
difficult
time.
These
are
very
low
margin,
businesses
to
give
them
the
opportunity
to
try
and
make
up
some
of
that.
O
You
know
I
feel
like
we
should
be
supporting
them
as
much
as
we
can,
and
I
and
I
what
I'm
hearing
as
well
is
the
interior.
Dining
is
just
not
as
popular
as
the
outdoor,
so
I
I
think
it's
kind
of
self-regulating.
You
know
I
I
don't.
I
don't
worry
about
over
the
overdue.
The
oversight
of
that
of
too
many
seats
and
people
are
double
dipping
and
all
that
I
think,
even
if
they
did,
even
if
they
had
that
opportunity
that
luxury,
I
would
say
it
makes
you
know
it's
great.
C
And
that's
the
decision
for
the
yeah
city
council.
That's.
A
C
I'm
actually
comfortable
with
16
seats.
They
knew
going
in
the
scale
and
of
outdoor
dining
that
the
city
normally
allowed
nobody's.
Taking
into
account
the
fact
we
won't
have
enough
restrooms.
C
O
C
Assumption
we're
letting
them
have
yeah,
that's
true.
I
mean
we're
allowing
them
to
have
the
entire
indoor.
So,
on
a
rainy
day,
it's
gonna
be
full.
Well,
if
they're
a
good
restaurant
yeah,
they
can
occupy
the
the
inside
so
and
they're
gonna
be
additional
employees
which
take
another
parking
stall.
C
They've
got
the
uber
eats
that
seem
to
take
additional
parking
stalls,
so
yeah
I've
hashed
over
you
know
without
doing
a
without
knowing
who's
gonna
do
this
and
all
16
seats
seem
like
a
good
deal
for
a
lot
of
people.
I
mean
that's
for
some
of
the
restaurants,
that's
50
of
their
indoor
dining,
so
they
don't
need
to
be
full
inside
yeah
and
they've
doubled
that
so
plus
they
won't
raise
their
prices,
which
that's.
A
C
O
C
I
totally
understand
that
we're
doing
it
and
it
is
temporary.
There
is
going
to
be
a
parking
problem.
I
don't
go
down
to
the
pier
bowl
on
the
trolley,
because
you
can
wait
three
four
trolleys
before
you
ever
get
back
on
again
so
losing
parking
down.
There
is
not
that
great.
You
know
when
sit
in
line
and
have
to
deal
with
that,
but
so
I
think
jonathan's
done
a
good
job.
I
think
we've
got
a
good
recommendation
to
the
council.
C
Q
O
C
C
E
Well,
I
appreciate
you
all
hanging
so
so
late
mickey,
I
don't
know
how
I
solved
the
problem.
You
know
I
want
your
business
to
be
successful,
along
with
everyone
else's
you're,
okay,
at
least
with
a
sign
pointing
to
your
business
and
a
logo,
and
I
mean
will
that
at
least
help.
E
Can't
hurt
okay,
I
mean
I
want
fairness
across
the
board.
We
still
are
under
a
pandemic.
I
have
a
feeling
we'll
have
another,
you
know
flare-up
coming
up
and
it
would
be
nice
to
be
outdoors,
so
I'm
hoping
we
can
keep
it
where
it
stays
permanent
through
the
winter.
So
that
that's
an
option.
I
think
people
feel
comfortable
because
of
the
pandemic
eating
outdoors.
I
would
like
to
the
businesses
to
regulate
themselves
and
have
some
flexibility,
but
I
understand
you
made
some
good
points.
E
Those
who
can
accommodate
more
seating
should
be
able
to
those
who
you
know
don't
have
the
kitchen
size
or
the
capacity.
I
think
they
should
regulate
their
business
they're
in
business.
They
they.
They
know
how
to
do
this,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
I
think
we're
giving
at
least
a
template
a
format
so
that
we
can
get
back
to
doing
doing
the
outdoor
dining
again.
E
Q
Sure
so
I'm
going
to
look
to
the
city
attorney
for
the
second
part
of
this
response,
so
the
the
city
council
will
be
having
their
hearing
on
this
item
at
the
march
15th
meeting,
but
because
this
is
an
ordinance.
I
believe
that
we'll
be
required
to
have
a
second
reading
before
we
can
implement
so
the
following
meeting
for
them
would
be
april
5th
and
if
you
could
fill
in
any
details
for
us.
O
E
Q
So
they'll
have
an
administrative
permit
and
again
that
thinking
for
that
is
that
there
won't
be
a
lot
of
one-off
review
in
these
cases,
because,
especially
for
del
mar
they'll
be
looking
at
the
template
options
that
are
provided
to
them,
so
that
permit
would
be
provided
administratively
there's
not
a
building
permit
required.
I've
talked
to
building
division,
even
on
private
property.
There
wouldn't
be
a
building
permit
for
a
deck
that
is
at
this
height
over
grade.
Q
So
the
only
other
piece
of
documentation,
besides
that
administrative
permit,
would
be
an
encroachment
removal
agreement.
So
I'll
work
with
public
works
on
that
final
formatting
of
what
that'll
look
like,
but
that's
just
to
make
sure
that
there's
very
clear
path
of
should
the
city
need
to
remove
something
in
an
emergency
case
and
probably
also
very
clear,
step
steps
for
at
the
end
of
this
temporary
program,
the
expectations
of
removal.
At
that
point.
E
B
I
think
the
whole
thing's
great
I
I
personally
feel
like
more
than
16.
If
there's
more
space
out
there
that
it
would
be
fine,
I
can't
think
if
I've
ever
had
to
wait
to
use
the
restroom
anywhere,
possibly
an
in-n-out
burger,
but
I
don't
think
I
don't
think
you
know
over.
I
don't
think
overuse
of
I
mean
because
it's
normally
it's
one
per
the.
B
Unisex
so
they
have
better
access
to
both.
So
I
feel
like
more,
is
fine
and
acceptable.
I
depends
on
the
space
allowed.
You
know,
whatever
the
space
allows
for
we're,
extending
the
the
parallel
parking.
Why
bother
if
you
can
only
get
16
seats
out
there?
I
I
I
believe,
it's
self-regulating.
B
If,
if,
if
people
have
to
park
too
far
away
they'll
say
screw
it
just
like
you,
don't
want
to
go
to
the
pier
bowl
on
the
trolley,
because
you,
like
you
know,
you're
gonna,
have
a
problem
to
me.
If,
if
I
have
to
walk
an
extra
half
a
block
to
go
out
dinner-
and
I
want
to
be
outside
great-
I
I
heard
what
donatella
said
about
people
choosing
preferring
to
be
outdoor
rather
than
indoor.
So
maybe
you
know
as
a
I
could
see
saying:
okay
above
16.
C
I
B
So
my
feeling
is
more
than
16
is
okay,
but
either
way
I'm
going
to
vote
to
support
the.
E
O
O
Q
Adam
you
may
make
a
friendly
suggestion
to
that
to
incorporate
the
three
recommended:
public
works,
modifications
and
I'll
build
those
in.
Would
you.
D
C
And
with
jonathan's
additional
additional
yeah.
O
C
Q
A
Q
We
had
a
couple
so
artifacts
had
some
seats
on
the
sidewalks,
they
didn't
have
a
patio
and
then
we
had
a
couple
participants
that
were
more
on
south
el
camino
rail
on
private
property,
so
that
artifex
was
the
only
use
that
was
using
public
property.
C
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
motion
by
commissioner
cosgrove
secretary
clinton
mccann
mr
prescott
aye,
commissioner
aye
hi
aye
cosgrove
and
commissioner
crandall
is
a.
I
also
so
move
that
along
the
city
council
and
hope
this
works
out.
Wonderful,
thank
you
for
your
work
done.
C
Any
reports
of
commissioners
and
staff:
none
do
we
have
a
motion
to
adjourn.
D
Before
that
is
done,
I
just
want
to
bring
everybody's
attention
to
the
start.
Time
is
5
p.m,
and
that
is
due
to
a
couple
of
study
session
items
that
we
anticipate
taking
about
two
hours
at
the
next
meeting.