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A
A
Okay,
well,
there
you
go
scott
call,
the
regular
meeting
of
the
study
session
of
the
city
of
san
clemente
march
16
2022
to
order
cecilia
gallardo
dally.
Our
community
development
director
is
sitting
in
for
adam
mckaney
in
the
night
and
cecilia.
Would
you
call
roll
please.
C
D
A
Thank
you,
cecilia.
We
have
two
items
for
the
study
session.
The
first
study
session
is
the
west
pico
corridor.
Specific
plan
update
an
architectural
overlay
extension.
Chris
wright
is
standing
remotely
and
chris
you
have
the
floor.
F
E
Okay,
thank
you
good
evening,
chair
commissioners.
This
study
session
is
on
the
west
pica
corridor
specific
plan
and
architectural
overlay
expansion
project.
E
The
city
council,
I'm
gonna
first
give
in
the
background
of
this
project
an
overview
of
what
it
involves
and
the
next
steps.
So
at
this
site.
I'll
give
you
the
background.
The
city
council
in
august
2021
had
initiated
amendments
to
the
city's
general
plan,
the
local
coastal
program,
land
use
plan,
the
west
pico
corridor,
specific
plan
and
the
zoning
to
make
several
changes
that
I'll
be
discussing
in
this
presentation.
E
Since
that
meeting
the
city
has
had,
city
staff
has
had
three
presentations
to
the
community.
One
of
the
first
one
was
notified,
sent
out
notices
to
various
property
owners
within
the
study
area,
as
well
as
adjacent
property
owners
and
residential
areas
just
and
to
let
them
know
that
we
are
going
to
be
doing
this
project.
E
Then
I'll
go
over
the
next
steps
after
this,
so
the
west
pico
corridor
area
is
bounded
by
the
interstate
5,
marblehead
coastal
to
the
west
and
avenida
pico,
el
camino,
real
to
the
south
and
then
residential
areas
to
the
east.
It
includes
industrial
areas
known
as
the
los
molinos
industrial
park.
You
have
the
treatment
plants,
you
have
the
pico
plaza
and
also
known
as
the
corridor,
and
then
you
have
those
properties
on
el
camino.
Real.
E
This
area
is
also
in
the
coastal
zone.
That's
that
blue
line
on
this
slide.
So
this
plan
is
a
portion
of
the
local
coastal
program
implementation
plan
that
staff
recently
had
discussed
with
the
planning
commission.
So
this
project
is
being
done.
Concurrent
with
that
effort
and
updates
that
are
made
of
this
plan
would
be
incorporated
into
that
implementation
plan.
E
E
E
It
shows
that
two
parcels
have
a
light:
industrial
designation
and
the
lighter
purple
and
then
a
heavy
industrial
designation,
so
that
creates
challenges
for
implementing
the
general
plan
policies
and
really
understanding
how
to
regulate
the
properties
and
make
sense
of
a
various
issues,
and
so
the
council
had
directed
to
make
a
cleanup
item
here
and
on
the
right.
It
shows
what
the
results
would
be
is
to
change
the
properties
entirely.
To
heavy
industrial
that
would
have
two
effects.
E
First,
it
would
increase
the
density
of
just
that
light
purple
area,
but
the
effect
of
that
would
be
pretty
minor
because
those
parts
of
the
property
are
used
for
access.
It
is
not
a
lot
of
new
development
area
that
would
be
allowed
by
these
changes.
E
The
second
part
of
it
is
to
make
existing
uses
conforming,
there's
a
towing
yard
on
the
property,
and
this
would
legalize
that
allow
it,
the
heavy
industrial
zoning
allows
for
towing
yards.
The
city
council
did
make
a
note
that
concrete
batch
plants,
which
is
one
of
the
other
uses
that
you
could
do
with
the
conditional
use
permit
in
the
heavy
industrial
area,
would
not
be
permitted.
E
And
also
note
that
that
is
the
primary.
That
change
is
the
primary
reason
why
we
have
to
do
the
eir
addendum
is
the
lane
exchange.
Second
part
of
this
project
is
to
expand
architectural
overlay.
E
There
are
primary
circulation
routes
between
the
the
downtown
and
loop
around
the
pure
bowl
and
then
back
to
the
downtown,
and
the
idea
behind
these
changes
is
to
have
a
cohesive,
architectural
district
along
those
circulation
routes,
so
that
it's
at
right
now,
it's
a
little
disjointed
and
the
idea
would
be
spanish.
Colonial
revival
would
be
required
also
in
these
orange
areas.
Currently,
it
is
not
so
that,
if
you're
traveling
between
these
areas,
you
would
have
over
time
a
a
a
district
that
would
be
thematic
throughout.
E
The
specific
plan
update
would
first
involve
an
expansion
of
the
specific
plan
and
the
purpose
of
that
there's
three
areas
shown
on
this
slide.
First,
the
red
area
are
industrial
zone
properties
outside
this
specific
plan
and
there's
a
lot
of
similarities
between
that
property
and
the
area
in
los
bellino's.
E
E
Also,
this
area,
it's
the
in
like
a
red
shading
on
this
slide,
that
is
the
general
plan,
los
molinos
focus
area
where
the
community
had
identified
one
of
eight
areas
for
the
greater
potential
for
change
and
there's
policies
there.
The
idea
of
expanding
it
into
these
blue
hashed
areas
is
to
capture
that
los
molino's
focus
area.
So
the
specific
plan
has
a
better
implementation
tool
for
the
general
plan
and
then
the
green
shaded
areas.
E
There
is
the
bonita
canyon
park,
which
fronts
los
molinos
industrial
park,
and
so
some
of
the
businesses
in
los
alamos
had
recommended
that
we
incorporate
that.
So
there
would
be
more
of
a
thematic
architectural
district.
E
There's
a
need
to
update
the
specific
plan
to
be
consistent
with
the
general
plan
and
the
coastal
land
use
plan.
That
is
the
primary
reason
why
we're
doing
this
project
and
so
here's
an
example
of
a
change
needed.
The
general
planet
increased
the
density
of
those
orange
shaded
parcels
on
el
camino,
real
from
0.35
floria
ratio
to
0.5
fluorite
ratio,
and
that
would
need
to
be
reflected
in
the
specific
plan.
E
And
then
there's
also
some
overlays
that
were
added
in
the
general
plan
that
needed
to
be
incorporated
into
the
specific
plan,
so
this
project
would
add
standards
to
implement
the
policies
for
these
overlays
and
I'll.
Just
tell
you,
the
the
blue
is
the
professional
business
overlay,
the
purple?
It's
a
combination
of
the
architectural
relay
mixed
use,
visitors
serving
commercial
districts,
and
then
the
brown
is
the
architectural
overlay.
E
E
The
yellow
parcels
on
el
camino
real,
are
part
of
the
architectural
overlay
district,
but
the
intent
is
to
have
development
facing
el
camino.
Real,
have
spanish
architecture,
whether
it
be
mission
or
spanish,
colonial
or
some
other
true
form,
and
so
the
amendments
that
we
propose
would
require
that
type
of
architecture.
E
E
The
purple
area
would
be
the
los
molinos
district
and
there
are
policies
that
pertain
to
los
molinos
for
architecture
and
landscaping,
and
that
is
really
the
largest.
The
amount
of
time
that
has
needed
to
be
spent
on
this
project
is
reaching
out
to
the
business
owners
and
understanding
what
los
molino's
architecture
includes.
E
So
here's
an
example
of
a
policy.
It
says
that
we
encourage
an
eclectic
mix
of
architectural
styles,
colors
materials,
landscaping,
public
art,
consistent
with
design
guidelines
in
the
urban
design
element,
there's
some
other
policies.
But
what
is
an
eclectic
mix?
And
what
is
what
is
it
within
the
theme
of
los
molinos
and
so
we've
had
conversation
of?
Can
you
have
victorian
architecture,
and
you
know
I
think
that
there's
consensus
that
the
among
the
business
owners
that
that
is
not
the
case.
You
know
it's
not
to
have
any
type
of
architecture.
E
It's
to
have
architecture
with
that
fits
the
area,
there's
a
lot
of
pride
in
the
area
and
wanting
to
keep
it
within
the
character
that
and
heritage
that
is
recognized
by
the
community
as
a
special
industrial
district
to
support
the
surf
industry,
arts
and
crafts,
business
incubation
and
so
staff
is
working
on
design
guidelines.
E
That
will
be
a
focus
of
a
design
review
subcommittee
meeting
coming
up
in
which
we'll
get
into
more
discussion
with
that
group
to
get
some
input
and-
and
I
think
that
covers
that
slide
and
then
I'll
just
go
over
my
next
steps
here.
So
I
said
the
design
review
subcommittee
meeting
we'll
get
some
input
on
the
design
guidelines
and
then
we'll
we're
expected
to
have
a
public
review
draft
out
available
in
approximately
may
or
june,
and
then
city
council
meetings
approximately
in
july
and
august.
So
that
concludes
my
presentation.
A
Let's
open
it
up
to
commissioners,
commissioner
cosgrove
thank.
F
F
Just
by
observation,
that
center
is
struggling,
there's
a
lot
of
vacant
vacancy
in
there
to
me.
We
have
a
real
opportunity
with
this
space
to
make
a
statement
about
what
we
need,
what
we
need
to
do
as
a
as
a
city.
We
need
more
housing,
we
need
affordable
housing.
We
have
some
issues
with
that.
Those
challenges,
this
to
me
area
is
a
perfect
spot
for
mixed
use.
F
You
can
have,
in
this
spot
a
commercial
which
would
be
ground
floor
typically
in
a
mixed
use
or
you
could
have
a
dedicated
commercial
area,
restaurant
standalone,
pads,
etc,
but
you
can
introduce
homes
residential,
like
high
high-density
type
of
units
that
really
lend
themselves
to
combinations
of
market
rate
and
affordable.
F
You
could
build
in
this
enclave
with
mixed-use
land
use
a
self-contained
community
where
you
can
walk
to
you,
where
you
need
to
buy
your
food
or
get
your
meals
or
services
there's
so
much.
You
could
do
with
this.
I
feel
like
if
we
just
continue
this
vision
of
commercial
only
in
an
area,
that's
already
struggling
we're
missing
a
huge
opportunity,
so
I
don't
know
how
the
rest
of
the
how
we
proceed
with.
Maybe
advancing
that
as
an
idea-
I
don't
even
know
if
my
colleagues
have
would
agree
with
it.
F
I'm
kind
of
springing
it
out
on
everybody,
but
that
pico
plaza
to
me
is
a
gem
of
a
place
to
make
something
great
and
continuing
that
as
commercial
does
it's
isolated
it's
hard
to
get
to
people,
don't
see
it
off
the
main
streets,
except
for
the
freeway
it
from
a
commercial
standpoint?
F
It's
not
it's
not
ideal,
and
you
can
tell
by
the
fact
that
it's
not
growing
and
there's
vacancies
and
very
few
people
are
in
there
when
you
drive
by
there
all
the
time
it's
very
empty
mixed
use,
I
think,
is
a
great
solution,
so
I
would
like
to
just
throw
that
out.
Maybe
some
of
my
other
colleagues
will
comment
on
that,
but
I
would
like
to
see
the
staff
consider
that
opportunity.
F
E
E
Okay,
that
so
the
there's
a
separate
effort
that
would
be
pursued
to
follow
up
on
our
housing
element,
implementation
of
which
we'll
be
considering
incorporating
housing
on
that
site.
But
that
is
separate
from
this
project.
E
So
the
focus
of
of
my
role
on
this
project
will
to
to
update
the
specific
plan,
primarily
to
be
consistent
with
the
general
plan
that
we
have,
and
that
does
not
preclude
the
suggestions
that
you
have
they're
they're
well
taken
and
they're
reflective
of
some
of
the
ideas
that
the
city
council
had
considered
when
adopted
the
housing
element,
so
that
that
is
something
that
we'll
have
to
follow
up
on
separately.
F
Okay,
fair
enough,
I
just
I
think
when
I
hear
er
eirs
are
occurring.
I
just
didn't
know
if
that
was
also
an
opportunity
to
think
about
the
scope,
the
other,
so
the
on
the
other
side
of
pico,
the
north
side
west
side,
the
aven
avenue
navarro,
I
drove
through
there
the
other
day.
That
is
a
lot
of
auto
mechanics.
F
I
think
repair.
It's
mainly
metal
buildings
with
you
know
big
garage
door,
openers,
there's
actually
some
homes
in
there
too,
as
I
saw
so.
The
question
is
what
what's
the
purpose
of
putting
an
architectural
overlay
over
that
area
because
we're
talking
the
kind
of
uses
that
are
in
there
now,
it
just
seems
like
kind
of
a
burden
to
put
that
on
those
property
owners
and
say:
oh,
if
you're
gonna
do
a
change
you're
going
to
have
to
make
it
adhere
to
this
architectural
standard.
When
it's
you
know,
these
are
industrial-like
buildings.
F
E
E
So
what
you
have
there
is
a
disconnect
between
what
you
see
and
what
the
vision
is
for
that
area,
and
if
a
new
development
or
major
remodels
were
to
occur,
then
they
would
be
subject
to
the
policies
that
exist
so
we're
just
formalizing
this
civic
plan
making
it
clear
to
coincide
with
what
you
have
in
the
general
plan.
F
Okay,
my
only
observation
about
that
is
then
you're,
just
gonna
keep
getting
what
you
got
because
nobody's
gonna.
Oh
you
mean
I
have
to
carry
this
burden
I'll
I'll,
just
stay.
What
I
got
if
you
look
back
in
there,
it's
very
industrial
oriented
I'll,
just
make
leave
it
at
that
to
me.
Maybe
what
I'm
going
is
more
in
the
strategic
direction.
This
is
more
what
you're
trying
to
do
as
an
alignment
with
zoning
and
planning
and
bring
it
all
together
and
get
some
consistency.
F
Do
some
cleanup-
and
I
guess
I'm
more
of
a
higher
orbit
here.
Thinking
strategically
like
what
do
we
really
want
to
envision
here?
What
are
we
willing
to
do
here
and
then
have
a
strategy
put
forth?
Get
that
socialized
get
council
vision
on
it
then
start
doing
eirs
and
then
start
making
general
land
use
changes
so
that
the
owners
there
can
actually
work
with
us
and
see
value
and
see
a
direction.
F
So
I
guess
maybe
that's
just
something.
I
need
to
figure
out
how
we
can
have
those
conversations,
because
I'm
just
a
little
bit
concerned
that
when
you
go
through
these
areas
and
you
look
at
the
the
current
uses-
it's
not
lend
itself
to
these
kinds
of
policies
at
all.
So
it
seems
to
me
we
need
to
have
a
more
strategic
conversation,
so
I
would
throw
that
out
that
it's
some,
if
that's
possible
to
do.
I
don't
know
how.
F
A
Okay,
very
good,
I'm
going
to
jump
in
real
quick
on
a
couple
of
those
comments.
The
way
we
would
do
it
is
under
new
business.
We
would
recommend
to
staff
to
request
that
city
council
appropriate
funds
to
do
that.
Study.
Okay,
we
don't
have
the
ability
to
do
that
in-house.
I
don't
believe,
particularly
at
this
point
in
time,
to
study
those
options.
A
The
pico
plaza.
A
Has
been
looked
at
in
a
whole
different
bunch
of
lights,
one
is
a
potential
transportation
center
way
back
when
when
the
general
plan
was
being
done,
if
that
is
off
the
table,
then
certainly
a
mixed
use
would
be
a
good
opportunity
and
that's
a
recommendation
we
could
make
to
council,
so
they
can
appropriate
funds
and
time
to
study
it.
A
Homeless,
shelters
and
all
that
was
an
area
that
was
considered
and
it
didn't
stick,
and
so
there
were
some
strong
feelings,
both
ways
on
that
property.
So
it's
got
some
complicated
issues,
but
chris
is
making
it
comply
with
the
general
plan
at
this
point
in
time,
and
we
can
certainly
make
amendments
or
changes
in
the
future.
A
I
would
like
to
mark
mcguire
wanted
to
make
some
comments
and
I'd
like
to
hear
his
comments,
so
we
can
comment
on
them
as
well
as
and
chris,
so
you
can
comment
on
mark's.
Also
I'll
give
you
the
three
minutes,
plus
or
minus.
A
G
Try
to
do
it
within
the
three
hey
chris
would,
would
you
mind
putting
up
the
slide
that
shows
the
additions
to
the
specific
plan.
Sure
oh
mark
mcguire,
san
clemente
resident
here
on
behalf
of
a
property
property
owners
that
I
represent.
I
used
to
be
part
of
a
group
that
owned
some
of
these
parcels
in
red,
which
are
off
of
caye
lago
and
off
of
they're
behind
el
camino,
real
behind
the
shade
tree
automotive.
G
So
if
you
look
on
your
exhibit,
you
can
see
where
those
are
there's
also
an
empty
lot
along
el
camino
and
a
little
office
building
with
a
ramp
that
goes
down
to
the
self
storage
below
and
behind
shade
tree
and
those
are
all
owned
by
one
group.
Collectively,
it's
a
little
bit
over
three
acres,
so
the
proposal
is
to
include
just
the
back
part
into
the
specific
plan
to
capture
the
industrial
light
industrial
specifications
in
the
specific
plan.
That
makes
great
sense.
G
It
also
has
a
mixed
use
overlay,
because
the
vision
is
to
try
to
promote
mixed
use
in
that
area.
So
a
couple
things
that
I
would
say.
First
with
regard
to
the
spec,
including
in
the
specific
plan,
I
went
through
the
uses
in
this
specific
plan,
and
it
wasn't
didn't
jump
out
to
me
that
the
self
storage
use
that
exists
there
right
now
is
a
permitted
use.
G
So
I
would
certainly
think
that,
if
we're
going
to
include
it
in
the
specific
plan,
it
was
always
the
intention
to
make
that
a
legal,
conforming
use,
not
a
legal
non-conforming
use
that
we
would
make
sure
that
that
the
self
storage
is
of
permissible
use
in
that
on
those
properties.
G
This,
with
regard
to
the
overlay,
this
gets
into
kind
of
along
the
lines
of
the
commissioner.
That
just
spoke,
which
is
this.
The
overlay
requires
mixed
use.
G
Those
properties
go
300
feet
back
from
the
sidewalk
they
it
drops
down
now
that
can
be
solved
with
podium
or
something,
but
to
be
300
feet
back
off
of
el
camino
real
and
try
to
do
retail
use
or
visitors
serving
commercial
uses
is
just
not
a
viable
use.
So
if
we
really
want
to
make
that
area
succeed,
we
should
be
specifying
some
more
flexibility
for
the
mixed
use
criteria
for
that
area,
and
this
is
a
good
opportunity
to
begin
that
discussion,
because
it's
in
a
specific
plan
it
only
covers
a
handful
of
properties.
A
Stay
right
there,
chris.
Would
you
like
to
respond
to
mark's
question
or
statement.
E
Yes,
the
so
point
taken
on
the
self
storage.
There's,
no
zoning
actually
right
now
to
clarify
that
that
issue
bring
up
that.
The
self
storage
is
a
use.
That's
intended
to
be
conforming.
E
So
if
the
properties
are
incorporated
in
the
specific
plan,
we'll
make
a
note
of
that.
That's
clearly
the
intent
to
allow
the
existing
uses
to
remain,
and
then,
in
the
event
that
the
properties
are
redeveloped
with
mixed
use,
then
the
not
the
industrial
uses
would
go
away.
You
know
that
that
you
would
change
it
for
the
ground
floor,
commercial
comment
and
0.35
fpr.
I
think
that's
a
larger
issue.
E
That
applies
to
various
excuse
zones,
and
I
I
think
it
really
does
relate
against
the
housing
element,
because
this
site
is
also
one
of
the
sites
in
the
site
inventory,
of
which
the
city
would
need
to
to
look
at
zoning
regulations
and
how
they
yield
housing
units
and
whether
there's
merit
and
changing
the
zoning.
So
that
would
be
part
of
that
rezoning
effort
for
the
housing
element.
E
You
know,
I
think
that
you
know
if
I
were
to
try
to
think
of
an
idea
in
this
project
that
could
work.
It
would
be,
I
don't
know
if
we
could
get
away
with
within
the
current
general
plan
of
allowing
residential
on
the
ground
floor,
because
it's
clear
the
general
plan
says
that
it's
on
the
upper
levels
in
the
mixed
use
one
zone.
So
that
would
be
a
general
plan
amendment
if
we
did
it
as
part
of
this
project.
You
know
the
housing
element,
it's
a.
E
G
G
I
guess,
unlike
the
commercial
center
near
the
freeway,
that's
not
underperforming
and
the
I
agree
more
industrial
area
behind
the
little
shopping
center
there.
On
the
other
side,
this
area
is
in
the
coastal
zone
and
so
we're
trying
to
go
forward
with
a
draft
of
the
implementation
plan
for
the
coastal
zone,
and
once
you
get
something
approved
by
the
coastal
commission.
Changing
amending
your
implementation
plan
in
your
local
coastal
plan
is
an
automatic,
one-year
plus
process.
G
I
mean
it's
really
probably
the
fact
of
a
two-year
process,
so
it
just
seems
to
me
like,
rather
than
kick
that
can
down
the
road.
There
may
be
an
opportunity
with
this
particular
area,
and
I
respect
the
issue
of
the
general
plan
mixed
use
policies,
but
to
but
to
start
grappling
with
that
issue
on
these
particular
properties,
which
are
clearly
as
a
light
industrial
area,
an
area
that
is
not
you
know,
seen
as
a
classic
visitor
serving
commercial
area
as
their
primary
zoning
is
light.
G
Industrial
and
the
mixed
use
ordinance
if
it
has
that
0.35
far,
for
retail
or
for
commercial
and
and
then
a
limit
on
no
ground
floor
residential,
then
it's
just
going
to
say,
stay
a
self
storage
and
I
can
tell
you
I
owned
it
and
we
pursued
a
project
back
in
2004
and
we
were
clearly
going
to
have
to
ask
for
relief
from
that
that
requirement,
and
you
know
the
recession
hit,
we
were
able
to
sell
it
as
a
very
profitable
self
storage.
G
E
We
have
the
local
coastal
program
implementation
plan
and
we
have
specific
plan
updates
and
in
this
case
a
land
use
plan,
amendment
general
plan
amendment.
All
those
efforts
are
supposed
to
come
together
into
what
would
be
the
implementation
plan
that
is
submitted
to
the
coastal
commission.
So
I'm
not
suggesting
that
we
don't
address
these
items.
I'm
just
saying
that
this
this
the
scope
of
this
project
is,
it
has
been
laid
out
by
the
city
council.
E
B
Again,
if
I
could
just
think
say
one
thing
here,
I
want
to
emphasize
that
all
of
these
ideas
and
recommendations
and
things
to
consider
do
line
up
with
all
of
the
other
planning
efforts
that
are
going
on.
So
these
are
really
good
comments
as
to
consider
as
we
move
forward
with
all
of
these
other
policy
documents
going
forward.
E
I
I
also
want
to
mention
there
was
a
comment
about
strategic
planning
and
I
I
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
that
was
the
general
plan.
You
know
the
general
plan,
we
had
90
meetings
with
the
public
and
it
took
four
years
and
there
was
a
lot
that
went
into
that
process
of
which
policies
for
the
gen.
This
focus
area
were
results,
and
now
we
are
in
the
implementation
phase.
Again.
City
council
wants
to
direct
staff
to
pursue
general
plan
amendments.
Then
we
can
respond
to
that.
A
Yes,
I
was
trying
to
make
the
comment
that
we
would
handle
that
as
a
separate
item
after
this
is
completed.
Any
of
those
comments
did
we
have
another?
Did
you
submit
a
card?
C
Justin
mark
I'm
been
working
with
chris.
Actually,
I'm
my
name
is
gary
jack
mini.
I
I
own
rincon
truck
center
down
in
los
lands
area
on
one
it's
114
rincon
court.
C
So
I
hear
a
lot
of
these
things.
Well,
I'm
going
to
want
to
do
this,
I'm
going
to
change
that
when
I
do
this,
that's
what
general
plan
I
understand
was
four
to
hey.
This
is
what
this
is
going
to
be
the
next
15
years
or
whatever
the
general
plan
was
laid
out
for
so
when
you're
talking
like
the
distance
over
there,
behind
danny's
and
industrial
and
down
by
us
and
rincon
court
and
all
that
area
in
the
surf
area.
C
C
I
see
no
vacancies,
there's
a
few
in
that
shopping
center,
but
those
places
rent
people
are
happy.
There's
a
lot
of
business
going
on
down
there,
the
good
start-up
businesses
you
know
rest
of
san
command
doesn't
have
that
this
is
this
area
has
been
this.
My
goal
would
be
working
with
chris
with
the
pacific
plan.
So,
like
you
say,
maybe
one
of
the
auto
repair
guys
wants
to
put
a
new
face
on
the
building
and
clean
it
up
a
little
bit.
How
what
can
I
do?
I
do.
C
I
have
to
put
a
red
tile
roof
on
a
red
sidewalk.
No,
what
we're
suggesting
is,
let's
make
it
your
industrial,
let's
clean
it
up,
let's
make
it
look
nice,
but
you
don't
have
to
go
through
all
this
process
and
keep
your
business
going.
It's
sales
tax
for
the
city,
it's
an
area,
that's
incubated,
a
lot
of
things
like
rainbow
sandals
and
numerous
other
businesses.
C
That's
our
goal
down.
There
is
not
to
have
some
dana
point
company
come
in
and
put
all
these
high-rise
buildings
up.
You
know,
try
to
keep
it
the
way
it's
been
for
the
last
50
years
and
take
those
old
buildings,
and
you
know
that's
what
we're
trying
what
what's
the
landscape
guideline?
What
what
color
can
you
do?
The
building?
C
So
when
somebody
goes
like
the
guys
that
just
did
the
los
mellino's
brewery
down
there,
it's
going
to
be
a
great
looking
building
when
they
get
done,
it's
almost
done
south
coast
distributing
properties
are
selling
down
there
left
and
right
and
guys
it
is
not
a
dead
area,
and
it's
in
and
that's
why
I
say
you
got
a
lot
of
like
I've,
invited
anybody
to
come
to
one
of
our
meetings.
C
Let's
give
them
the
tools
that
and
so
staff
don't
have
to
sit
there
and
say
well,
I'm
gonna
have
a
red
roof.
We
gotta
have
this
landscaping.
What
are
we
that's?
What
I
think
the
gold
is
here
with
the
pacific
plan
is
to
fine-tune
what
the
general
plan
laid
out
not
to
go
changing
zones
and
everything,
and
that
to
me,
sit
on
that
for
10
or
15
years
and
see
what
happens.
But
if
there's
no
no
guideline
guy
doesn't
know
how
do
I
put
the
sidewalk
over
here?
Do
I
do
this?
What
color?
C
What
what
you
know
you
just
to
me?
It
should
be
industrial.
You
know
we're
gonna
go
down
there
to
make
business.
You
know,
there's
a
lot
of
retail
that
come
into
the
surfing.
The
furniture
store,
they're
all
passionate
about
keeping
that
area
good
and
I
think
that's
what
we
need
to
build
on.
So
that's
my
two
cents.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
very
much
yeah
and
chris
we've
reviewed
within
the
last
year
or
so
a
couple
of
projects
down
there,
the
brewery
and
the
I
guess,
the
shipping
company
right
there
along
the
drainage
one,
and
we
had
some
great
discussions
at
design
review
and
actually
enjoyed
working
on
those
projects,
and
I
don't
see
that
this
changes
the
way
we
would
look
at
those
projects
doesn't,
I
think,
we're
still
staying
in
the
same
vein.
E
I
do
know
of
those
projects
you
mentioned,
and
I
have
heard
from
businesses
that
when
they
went
through
the
process,
it
wasn't
all
that
clear
to
to
the
city
and
them
that
they
had
a
a
clear
direction
to
not
follow
the
the
types
of
materials
and
design
that
we
come
to
expect
in
a
lot
of
other
areas
of
city
that
are
spanish.
E
The
area
is
not
supposed
to
be
spanish,
you
know
it's
supposed
to
be
los
molinos
and
so
a
big
part
I'll
tell
you.
The
biggest
part
of
this
effort
has
been
narrowing
down
what
that
means
and
trying
to
get
some
consensus
among
the
businesses,
and
that
is
the
focus
of
a
design
review
subcommittee
item
next
week
to
to
run
some
of
our
ideas
and
the
public
comments
by
the
subcommittee
and
get
some
direction.
E
Also
that
project
you
mentioned
on
309,
kai
de
los
molinos,
the
the
remodel
that
is
going
back
to
the
subcommittee
and
from
the
beginning,
I
was
involved
behind
the
scenes
and
reviewing
the
plans
to
not
only
follow
the
general
plan
but
mirror
some
of
the
comments
that
I've
been
getting
through
this
project
process.
E
You
know
more
recently,
we've
had
some
work
done
with
our
maintenance
staff.
We
did
a
walk
with
some
of
the
businesses
down
there
and
public
works
gave
me
input
on
the
street
scene
in
kai
de
la
las
molinos.
E
So
the
the
item
next
week
will
be
to
discuss
that
in
a
little
bit
more
detail,
but
we're
not
talking
about
a
radical
departure
from
what
you
see
down
there.
It's
more
like
to
clarify
what
the
businesses
say.
They
want
maintaining
the
feel
of
the
area.
A
D
Was
the
you
know
that
we're
adding
properties
into
the
specific
plan
area,
obviously
I'm
sure
they've
been
notified?
Has
there
been
any
feedback
from
them?
Are
they
happy
about
it,
not
happy
about
it?
D
D
Interesting.
Okay,
thank
you.
I
don't
want
to
belabor
the
point,
but
I
think
that
mr
mcguire
brings
up
a
very
interesting
issue,
which
is
you
know
if
we
want
to
encourage
mixed
use
out
there,
but
we
have
very
deep
properties:
yeah
you're
not
going
to
get
commercial
on
the
whole
ground
floor,
that
functions
or
works
so,
and
I've
heard
that
well
that
should
be
associated
with
the
housing
element
or
the
general
plan.
E
You
know
it
might
take
the
place
of
amending,
say
the
specific
plan
before
it
is
folded
into
the
implementation
plan.
So
I
think
what
is
a
little
confusing
is
the
phasing
of
everything
and-
and
that's
why
I
you
know,
I
don't
have
a
flow
chart
right.
That
very
clearly
says
that
from
this
point
we
go
to
this
point
and
that
point
you
know
in
the
end
it
all
comes
together,
and
that
is
the
implementation
plan
that
goes
to
the
coastal
commission
and
we're
required
by
law
to
make
everything
consistent.
D
E
You
can
have
an
overlay,
you
know
one
one
of
the
things
that
we're
looking
at
is
a
housing
overlay
to
address
some
of
these
zoning
issues
for
the
housing
element
it
would,
it
would
be
incorporated
into
the
specific
plan
as
needed
so
that
it's
an
effective
tool
for
implementing
the
general
plan,
and
so
you
know
all
this
input
is
important
and
we
are
going
to
be
addressing
it.
I'm
just
stating
that
you
know
we
are.
B
Yeah,
actually,
I
guess
I
want
to
ask
a
question
chris.
Is
that,
and
that
is,
is
there
a
drawback
or
reason
why
we
couldn't
address
mixed
use
differently
in
the
specific
plan
than
we
do
citywide
with
respect
to
the
development
standards.
E
E
So
that
and
that's
a
general
plan
amendment.
If
we
want
to
do
that,
I
I
think
we
would
need
new
direction
or
talk
about
it.
Separate.
A
D
On
what
I
heard,
I
wasn't,
you
said:
housing
on
the
first
floor
or
ground
level,
and
and
yet
that's
not
what
I
heard.
Mr
mcguire
point
out
mr
pointed
out
that
0.35
far
called
commercial
on
a
deep
lot
is
unrealistic.
So
maybe
the
balance
of
the
first
floor
could
be,
you
know,
parking
or
something.
I
wasn't.
I
wasn't
saying
that
we
over
pack
it
with
residential,
but
it
does
make
sense
to
me
that
you
know
commercial,
for
the
most
part
is
logically
going
to
be
only
so
deep.
I
don't
know
what
that
depth.
D
Is
I'm
not
a
commercial
expert,
whether
it's
60
feet
or
80
feet
or
100
feet.
But
beyond
that
I
mean
you
have
some
bowels
of
some
building
that
no
one
wants
to
go
in
so
anyway,
that's
my
two
cents.
I
just
sometimes
I
worry
that
we
we
talk
about
these
things
and
you
know
then
they
might
get
lost
in
getting
folded
into
or
properly
considered
elsewhere,
and
I
just
think
it's
bringing
up
a
good
point.
That's
all!
Okay,.
E
Yeah
that
that
goes
back
to
so
to
there's
two
two
parts
to
this
response.
First,
regarding
parking
on
the
first
level
and
that
that
is
totally
something
that
can
be
done
within
the
scope
of
this
project.
E
E
It's
my
understanding
that
we
would
be
looking
at
the
zoning
of
those
properties
and
if
changes
are
needed
to
yield
the
arena,
then
that
would
be
part
of
that
project.
That
would
be
folded
in
again
as
part
of
the
work
program
to
tie
everything
together.
A
Okay,
when
is
the
next
meeting
that
you'll
be
meeting
with
the
public
for
this?
I
think
you
had
a
schedule
correct,
or
are
you
all
done
with
your
public
meetings.
E
Yeah,
I
don't
have
a
official
date
to
meet
with
the
los
molinos
business
group.
It's
not
a
regular
meeting
that
I
you
know
like
the
first
tuesday
of
the
month.
It's
more
of
an
as
needed
meeting.
Is
there
interest
in
attending
a
meeting.
E
E
A
Okay,
any
other
comments.
I
think
I
think
we
realize
there's
a
lot
of
dovetailing
of
all
these
different
documents
at
this
point
in
time.
This
effort
is
to
get
our.
A
A
That's
probably
the
direction
we're
gonna
go
here,
but
if
you
can
keep
us
appraised
because
I'd
love
to
hear
the
public
comment
on
this
and
it's
a
little
easier
in
those
kind
of
meetings
to
have
a
little
give
and
take
and
talk
back
and
forth
across
a
table
rather
than
a
meeting
like
this.
E
Yeah
yeah,
I
I
will
mention
to
the
the
business
group
about
this
design
review
subcommittee
meeting
and
maybe
they'll
be
interest
in
attending
that
meeting,
because
I
I
think
that
forum
is
going
to
get
in
a
little
bit
more
detail
on
the
issues
that
they
care
most
about.
So
that
could
be
a
good
opportunity
to
to
discuss
these
issues
with
you.
A
Very
good,
I
agree
I'll
give.
Let's
say
this
was.
C
D
C
And
at
five
o'clock
on
first
wednesday
of
each
now,
we
can
put
it
out
to
you
if
it
changes
or
something,
but
that's
what
we
normally
shoot
for
and
that
we'll
get
all
the
guys
there.
And
then
I
want
to
let
you
out,
like
I
do
with
chris.
Anybody
wants
to
go,
walk
the
area
at
any
time
with
me.
I
mean
I've
been
there
more
and
longer
than
I
should
want
to
talk
about,
but
I
know
the
area
and
I
could
give
it
chris.
A
Very
very
good,
and
I
went
through
the
general
plan
process
with
you,
that's
right,
so
totally
familiar
with
that
and
yeah,
it's
been
a
lot
of
good
afternoons
at
motivation.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
chris
cosgrove.
You
know
I
just
said
I'll.
Take
him
up
at
his
office
very
good,
and
that
is
let's
see.
A
I've
got
some
contact
information
for
you
here,
great
okay,
very
good.
On
the
first
item,
we
will
go
to
thank
you,
chris
good
job,
yeah.
A
The
next
one
is,
let's
see,
let's
go
up
here
to
study
session.
The
next
one
is
specific
plant
amendment
for
forester
ranch,
marblehead
coastal
marblehead,
inland
rancho,
san
clemente
and
talaga.
Kyle
weber
is
going
to
be
presenting
this
hello
community.
A
H
That
I'm
sharing
yep
okay,
so
tonight
we're
having
a
continuation
or
a
follow-up
of
the
study
session
held
last
year
regarding
the
pending
amendments
to
the
city's
specific
plans,
so
staff
held
the
first
study
session
with
the
planning
commissioners
in
december,
where
we
discuss
our
current
status
and
work
underway
for
the
specific
plan
amendments
and
not
to
be
too
redundant
with
the
study
session.
H
So
this
project
is
a
city
council
priority
listed
in
the
strategic
implementation
program
and
the
modifications
are
also
necessary
to
comply
with
state
law
that
requires
consistency
between
adopted
documents
and
so
as
a
refresher.
This
particular
project
demands
five
of
the
seven
specific
plans
in
the
city
listed
here,
whereas
obviously
west
people
corridor
and
pure
bowl
specific
plans
are
being
updated
separately.
H
A
H
Of
san
clemente
pacific
plan-
that
is
what
we
discussed
at
the
last
study
session.
So
here
on
the
slide
or
the
general
plan
goal
and
policy
is
the
general
plan
goal
and
policy
related
to
automobile
uses,
which
we
can
come
back
to
the
slide
at
any
time
during
the
presentation
and
afterwards
during
discussions.
We
need
to
duck
deeper
into
this.
H
So
implementing
the
general
plan
goal
and
adopting
provisions
of
this
specific
land
use
policy
requires
staff
to
modify
the
specific
playing
documents
by
updating
definitions
for
vehicle
related
uses,
as
well
as
assigning
permitting
requirements
to
those
users
and
expanding
the
location
where
those
uses
will
be
permitted
and
I'll
be
going
over.
These
changes
proposed
by
staff
during
the
presentation,
however,
today
we're
looking
for
consensus
on
two
things,
so
one
our
staffs
propose,
permitted
and
conditionally
permitted
use
requirements
that
are
presented
in
the
staff
report.
H
A
H
Related
uses
in
a
relocation
of
existing
vehicle-related
uses
to
these
areas
and
two
do
the
minimum
development
standards
in
the
zoning
code
pertaining
to
such
uses
adequately
adequately
address
the
city's
desired
criteria
for
new.
H
So
first
it's
important
to
point
out
that
the
proposed
changes
will
affect
business
and
industrial
planning
areas
in
both
rancho
san
clemente
and
tolego
specific
plans,
so
in
rancho,
san
clemente,
some
auto
related
uses
such
as
major
and
minor
repair,
are
currently
permitted
or
conditionally
permitted
east
of
del
cerro.
So
while
we
are
increasing
types
of.
A
H
G
H
Of
the
study
session
report
and
then
in
the
map
on
the
bottom
here
in
talega,
the
business
park
area,
south
of
avenida
pico,
will
be
modified
to
allow
auto
related
uses.
So
this
is
something
we
did
not
quite
discuss
the
previous
study
session,
but
important
to
note
so
to
reflect
the
intent
of
the
general
plan
goal
and
policies.
H
The
definition
for
automotive
services
in
the
specific
plan
will
be
updated
to
include
vehicle
sales
leasing
and
renting,
as
well
as
the
inclusion
of
electric
vehicles
in
preparation
for
emerging
electric
vehicle
market,
and
so
the
red
underlying
texture
is
what
we
are
adding
to
accommodate
the
intent
of
the
goals
and
policies.
The
definition
here
is
also
available
on
page
three
of
the
study,
such
as
staff
report.
H
So,
definitions
for
vehicle
rental
and
sales
and
vehicle
service
and
repair
related
facilities
will
be
added
matching
the
definitions
in
the
zoning
code.
The
definitions
are
provided
in
staff
report
on
pages
three
and
four
major
and
minor
automotive
repair
services
are
currently
permitted
in
the
portions
of
industrial
business
park
areas
ranch
of
san
clemente
mentioned,
however,
vehicle
rental
leasing
and
sales
are
currently
unpermitted,
so
we'll
be
proposing
to
permit
those
in
line
with
the
general
plan,
goals
and
goal
and
policy.
H
So
staff
proposed
permitted
uses
adds
a
rental,
sale
and
leasing
of
automobile
vehicles
with
permitting
requirements
dependent
on
the
number
of
cars
proposed
and
if
the
establishment
will
have
indoor
outdoor
vehicles
on
site
as
an
effort
for
safety
control,
aesthetic
compliance
with
city
design
guidelines,
so
seth
is
currently
working
on
specific
definitions
for
what
is
considered
indoor
or
outdoor
in
regards
to
development
standards
or
regulations.
Output
to
both
types
of
automobile
related
uses,
indoor
or
outdoor,
but
a
staff
would
like
to
get
input
from
planning
commissioners
on
defining
indoor
uses.
H
If
there
are
opinions
on
that
and
for
the
purposes
of
auto
related
establishments,
so
the
discretionary
requirement
for
minor
vehicle
repair.
Before
looking
at
the
table,
there
they're
permitted
to
be
proposed,
they're
proposed
to
be
permitted
by
right,
and
so
the
goal
here
is
to
encourage
any
new
developments
and
the
relocation
of
existing
repair
shops
along
the
el
camino
riel
to
transition
to
industrial
business
park.
H
Specific
plan
areas
where
permitting
may
be
less
stringent
and,
as
mentioned
in
the
staff
report,
in
addition
to
the
required
use
permit
listed
in
the
table,
a
site
plan
permit
is
required,
along
with
an
architectural
permit
for
any
new
development.
So
these
additional
permitting
requirements
and
tails
there
will
be
recommendations
from
drc.
The
design
review
subcommittee
provided
applicants
proposing
auto
related
establishments
that
are
new
establishments
in
any
of
the
expanded
areas
where
we'll
be
permitting
auto
road
uses.
H
So
back
to
this
staff
report
details
the
proposed
definitions,
which
I
have
a
slide
of
those
definitions.
If
we
want
to
go
over
them
individually,
it
also
details
the
permitting
requirements
for
those
uses
and
staff
is
specifically
looking
for
any
feedback
on
anything
presented
in
the
report,
along
with
the
two
topics
previously
mentioned,
and
also
listed
here
again
on
the
screen,
and
once
again,
we
are
also
looking
for
input
or
discussion
on
preferences
for
how
staff
will
define
indoor
and
or
outdoor
uses
for
auto
related
vehicle
sales,
rental
and
leasing.
H
So
as
of
now
all
uses
in
the
business,
industrial
and
industrial
park,
areas
must
be
conducted
entirely
within
an
enclosed
building
or
within
an
area
enclosed
on
all
sides
by
a
solid
wall
or
fence
at
least
six
feet
in
height.
And
so
that's
something
to
consider.
If
we
want
to
modify
that
when
we're
looking
at
definitions
for
indoor
outdoor
establishments-
and
I
will.
A
A
F
Can
you
just
revisit
the
tolega
business
park
location
please
get
confused
on
where
that
is.
H
F
F
Okay
and
it's
above
avenida
vista
hermosa,
it's
it's
above
it.
F
B
Of
behind
the
bella,
kalina
golf
course.
F
No,
I
can
see
it
now
and
it's
just
I
wasn't
sure
the
legend
and
that's
okay,
gotcha.
H
F
F
F
F
Yes,
yes,
yes,
so
there
is
an
industrial
area
there
now.
So
all
your-
and
I
know
on
that
corner
is
a
medical
center.
So
what
you're
saying
is
we're
just
introducing
the
in
this
business
park,
the
the
automotive
as
a
use
as
an
additional
use?
That's
all
this
is
about
that's
correct.
H
Correct
right
now
in
tolega,
the
rental
and
leasing
is
allowed,
and
so
defining
sales
would
would
open
that
up
to
a
new
use
permit
into
lego.
F
Okay
and
then
the
definitions
for
all
of
those
uses
are
what
you're
really
seeking
input
on
is
what
you're
saying
is:
that's
your
basic
tenet.
H
H
So
for
the
first
one
we're
separating
definitions
for
the
first
category
for
vehicle
rental
sales,
we're
separating
definitions
for
dealership,
rental
and
sales
and
that's
to
allow
us
to
add
any
special
development
standards
that
may
just
encompass
that
type
of
use,
but
for
vehicle
service
and
repair
related
facilities.
The
second
category
we
have
major
and
minor
repair,
so
we
can
determine
what
kind
of
repair
service
would
be
permitted
by
right
or
would
require
conditional
use
permit,
but
then
vehicle
service
and
repair
related
facilities.
F
For
instance,
okay
yeah-
and
I
see
that
I
see
what
you
have
here
as
far
as
what
your
like,
for
example,
a
vehicle
rental.
If
it's
indoor
fewer
than
10
vehicles-
that's
just
by
permit,
but
if
they
want
to
do
more
than
10,
then
that's
going
to
be
a
minor
conditional
use
permit
or
something
like
that.
Whatever
that
m
stands
for.
H
Right,
that's
correct
and
so
that's
slightly
different
than
what
we
have
as
a
use
table
for
I
have
it
up
on
the
slide
right
now
what
we
have
in
the
zoning
code
for
neighborhood,
commercial
and
commercial
zoning
districts,
and
so
it's
completely.
H
Don't
separate
them
as
indoor
or
outdoor
and
also
minor
repair
in
other
parts
of
the
city,
not
in
the
business
or
industrial
parks,
are
conditionally
permanent,
regardless,
if
a
minor
or
major
repair.
D
Yeah,
just
a
quick
question
or
two:
so
the
impetus
for
this
is
to
bring
the
zoning
in
alignment
with
the
general
plan.
Is
that
correct,
correct?
Okay,
and
did
you
want
you?
You
said
you
wanted
some
direction
from
us
or
input
on
indoor
versus
outdoor?
What
were
you,
what
were
you
suggesting
specifically
so.
H
It's
a
discussion
that
we
have
not
had.
We
haven't
had
a
comprehensive
discussion
about
this
amongst
staff,
but
we
know
that
right
now,
for
instance,
any
any
use
that
is
approved
in
the
industrial
business
park
areas
must
be
operated
entirely
within
an
enclosed
building
unless
you
provide
walls
or
fencing
at
least
six
feet
in
height,
and
so
when
we're
looking
at
car
sales,
rental
or
leasing,
what
would
exactly
be
considered
operating
that
use
indoors?
H
You
know
there's
a
number
of
ways
we
could
go
if
we
have
vehicles
on
site
outside,
but
the
operation
of
signing
contracts
and
going
over
sales
more
of
an
office
use
is
taking
place
indoors.
Does
that
mean
the
establishment?
Is
an
indoor
use
along
that
line?
If
there's
opinions
about
that,
I
know
cecilia,
might
have
some
input
on
this
as
well.
B
Yeah,
I
think
it
you
know
when
it
comes
to
allowing
vehicle
sales
in
the
industrial
parks
that
is
kind
of
a
new
phenomenon,
and
I
think,
when
we
think
of
allowance
of
vehicle
sales,
we
think
of
those
large
lot
dealerships
with
the
sea
of
cars
outdoors
and
the
banner
flags,
and
I
don't
know
that
that's
you
know
what
we
want
to
see
in
the
industrial
parks.
One
to
kind
of
you
know,
compete
with
industrial
space
that
is
occupied
by
employee
employment,
generating
uses
and
and
the
other
is
the
aesthetics.
B
But
if
you
have
an
operation
for
sales
that
is
indoors,
you
know
that
kind
of
changes,
the
characteristics
you
know
you
don't
know
what's
happening
inside
the
building.
B
You
know
the
so
that's
kind
of
what
we're
thinking
about
if
you,
if
you
do
have,
if
you
do
contain
your
operations
indoors,
it's
a
minor
conditional
use
permit
for
the
use,
if
you're
doing
anything
if
it's
an
existing
building
and
you're
doing
any
exterior
work
to
modify
it.
You
know
we
still
want
to
look
at
that
through
a
discretionary
process,
but
we
could
lower
the
decision
level
to
make
it
easier.
B
You
know,
maybe
it's
a
minor
conditional
use,
permit
or
minor
site
plan
permit
that
goes
to
design
review
for
any
exterior
or
physical
changes,
but
it's
a
zoning
administrator,
not
necessarily
planning
commission,
but
if
it
is
something
like
a
large
auto
dealership,
that
is
a
full
conditional
use
permit.
That
would
go
to
the
planning
commission
for
consideration
and
you
know,
wouldn't
be
a
zoning
administrator
decision.
B
So
those
are
just
kinds
of
the
things
that
we're
looking
at
distinguishing
an
outdoor
operation
from
an
indoor
operation,
and
if
we
do
make
that
distinction,
you
know
what
do
we
mean
by
indoor
you
know
or
100
of
the
operations
indoors?
Is
it
80
of
the
operations
51
you
know
so
we're?
I
think
just
trying
to
figure
out
what
does
it
mean
to
be
indoor
and
if
you
guys
have
any
you
know,
ideas
or
you
know
any
input
providing
us
with
that
direction.
We'd
appreciate
it.
F
F
D
Okay,
I
mean
it's
kind
of
awkward
because
traditionally
right,
car
dealerships
and
retailers
have
all
their
inventory
outside.
So
are
you
gonna?
You
have
parking
requirements
for
those
buildings,
and
so
it
creates
x
amount
of
parking
space.
What
are
you
gonna
do
leave
that
all
vacant
to
stuff
everything
inside
it's
just
I
don't
know
it
really
seems
like
a
commercial
used
to
me,
not
not
an
industrial,
but
I
don't
have
any.
You
know
great
insight
for
you.
Maybe
some
of
my
colleagues
do.
A
Yeah
during
the
this
was
a
big
discussion
for
moving
the
auto
oriented
ones
off
of
el
camino
downtown
mainly,
and
where
are
you
going
to
put
them
right
and
the
major
comments
were
all
the
signage
on
the
cars
mark
town?
A
You
know
one
owner
whatever
on
the
cars
the
car
sitting
in
the
parking
lot
was
not
the
issue.
It
was
distractions
like
that
or
the
banners
that
cecilia
mentioned
so
having
cars
parked
in
the
lot
wasn't
really
the
problem.
A
It
was
all
the
absolutely
ancillary
signage
that
didn't
even
come
close
to
meeting
the
sign
ordinances
or
having
maintenance
that
was
exposed
to
public
view,
basically
having
the
doors
open
onto
the
main
corridor.
You
know
it
was
entered
from.
The
back
would
be
a
problem,
not
really
you
know,
but
all
these
tire
stores
have
racks
of
tires
out
front
yeah.
Those
were
the
big
major
concerns
and
why
you
know
for
a
beautification
program.
It
was
okay,
let's
get
them
somewhere
else,
not
the
fact.
It's
an
automobile.
D
H
It's
all
being
I
mean
it's
all
being
updated
if
there's
things
with
signage
in
particular
to
commissioner
crandall's
point
for
getting
there,
that's
that's
something
that
we'll
be
updating.
D
Well,
let's
see
here
it's
the
last
page
of
the
proposed
ordinance
d
talks
about
abandoned
or
converted
service
stations,
service
stations
that
become
vacant
or
cease
operation
beyond
180
days
shall
be
deemed
abandoned
and
at
the
city's
discretion,
owners
shall
be
required
to
remove
all
underground
storage
tanks,
fuel
pumps,
plump
islands
and
freeze
tenant
canopies,
I
don't
know
180
days,
seems
kind
of
short
to
me.
You
know
some
owner
has
a
heart
attack
and
he's
out
of
commission
for
a
while
and
bang
now
he's
got
to
rip
up
his
service
station.
D
I
don't
know,
but
that's
my
comment.
A
D
Personally,
I
don't
see
any
dealership
as
we've
done
in
the
past.
You
know
when
you're
younger
and
we're
coming
in
the
same
community
because
well
they
want
to
be
on
the
main
thoroughfare.
They
want
science.
They
want
the
distraction
because
we
went
through
that
big
step
plus
reorganizing
into
an
auto
center.
D
So
I
think,
if
we're
moving
it
up
to
the
industrial
and
business
areas
which
are
up,
you
know
farther,
I
think
I
think,
even
for
sales,
probably
most
of
it
needs
to
be
inside,
because
you
don't
want
to
have
25
cars
or
whatever
setting
out
you
know,
side
waiting.
There
needs
to
be
some
kind
of
restriction
on
how
many
cars
you
can
have
delivered
in
their
yard
or
wherever
it
is.
D
But
it's
inside
you
probably
don't
care,
but
there
needs
to
be
some
kind
of
storage
mechanism
on
the
number
of
cars
that
are
waiting
to
be
picked
up.
Those
about
the
only
things
I
see.
That
would
be
that
repairs
need
to
be
inside
and
then,
if
you
are
having
these
healers,
I
mean
you'd
love
to
have
point
of
sale.
That'd
be
great,
but
probably
most
of
leases
are
really
not
generating
any
money.
A
And
we're
seeing
more
and
more
of
the
big
car
lots
shut
down,
yeah,
okay,
kyle
question
for
you
in
this
zone
and
in
these
industrial
parks
they
have
companies
that
do
air
conditioning
work
and
whatnot,
and
they
have
a
back
lot
that
is
fenced
in
and
all
their
equipment
and
supplies
are
usually
in
those
I'm
thinking
of
one.
A
I
think
it's
in
the
tallaga
business
park,
so
a
dealership
with
these
requirements
could
have
a
back
lot
fenced
in
that
had.
A
Big
storage
yard
that
they
happen
to
park
cars
in
versus
having
materials
and
the
business
trucks.
Is
that
a
stretch
or
that
would
be
allowed
but
or
not.
F
H
A
A
problem
with
outside
storage,
if,
if
they
approach
it,
the
same
way
that
the
other
people
in
the
business
partner
agreed.
A
A
And
it
wouldn't
take
away
from
their
business
parking.
I
mean
dealerships
typically
have
what
eight
ten
parking
stalls
for
a
few
car
dealership,
not
very
many
right
at
once.
So
I
think
that
can
be
addressed,
but
I'm
not
opposed
to
saying
it
all
has
to
be
inside
in
the
case
where
they
have
a
yard.
That
is
out
of
view.
Whatever.
A
H
Right,
so,
if
we
look
at
this
table,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
getting
some
of
a
component
of
your
comment
straight.
So
if
we
have
an
establishment
that
would
like
to
be
considered
an
indoor
vehicle
dealership
with
10
vehicles
on
site,
they
should
still
be
able
to
store
some
of
their
vehicles
outside
on
site
and
be
considered
an
indoor
operation.
A
Yeah,
I'm
thinking
like
an
enterprise,
rental,
car,
they're,
usually
kind
of
remote
they're.
Not
you
know,
they'll
even
come
pick
you
up
to
come,
get
your
rental.
Car
they've
got
a
yard
to
put
them
in.
I
think
that's
just
fine!
I
I
don't
see
a
problem
with
it,
addressing
it
that
way
and
certainly
make
for
some
of
these
lots,
possibly
on
el
camino,
to
be
more
open
to
going
up
there
make
it
user
friendly.
H
So
there
are
circumstances
where
there's
some
businesses
will
have
a
warehouse
with
vehicles
inside
how
likely
that
is
in
these
areas.
It's
unclear.
B
The
inside
yeah
you're
also
recognizing
that
they
may
need
to
store
some
vehicles.
We
should
have
a
number
a
cap
on
how
many
they
could
quote
unquote
store,
but
that
storage
would
need
to
be
shielded
like
any
other
kinds
of.
F
B
A
D
D
I'd
just
be
worried
as
they're
outside
what
direction
they
are,
because
some
of
the
as
you
get
farther
up
the
industrial
areas
like
remember
the
church
thing
that
we
approved
yeah
you're
starting
to
get
that's
up.
There
have
a
storage
facility,
that's
facing
the
residential
and
somebody's
looking
down
at
it.
They're
going
to
get.
A
Maybe
a
year
ago,
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
you
might
look
into
making
some
kind
of
caveat
that
when
we're
talking
about
x,
number
of
vehicles
on
site,
that's
on
grade,
unless
there's
another
approval
process
to
go
tiered
parking.
D
A
C
D
H
H
H
Repair
establishment
would
be
considered
allowed
to
have
a
car
wash
they're,
also
applying
for
cp,
where
a
minor
repair
would
not
have
a
car
wash,
but
I'm
defining
car
wash
if
they're,
just
washing
the
car
down
or
if
it's
a
large
engineering
machine,
recognized.
H
A
Point
to
bring
up
do
a
little
research
kyle
on
this,
because
I
think
some
of
these
businesses
do
wash
their
service
vehicles
in
their
yard
and
having
to
get
a
conditional
use
permit
through
planning
commission
to
do
that.
We
don't
want
to
burden
them
with
that.
This
should
be
something
that
staff
can
do
at
a
staff
level.
A
Just
the
definitive
ignition
of
a
car
wash
to
you
know
adjacent
to
a
service
station
yeah.
They
both
you
know,
one
of
those
van
drive
through
it
ones
will
all
be
part
of
the
same
cup
like
we
did
on
the
valero
gas
station.
H
The
the
thing
that
comes
up,
in
my
mind,
is
if
we're
allowing
minor
repair
by
right.
You
know
there's
there's
probably,
and
this
might
consi
this
might
require
a
discussion
with
public
works.
When
we
look
into
stormwater
or
any
kind
of
like
I
mean
yeah,
it's
some
something
when
it
comes
to
drainage
and
using
water
on
site
that
doesn't
look.
H
H
H
So
we
talked
about
permitting
requirements,
it
didn't
seem
like
we
had
any
qualms
with
what
we're
proposing
in
terms
of
types
of
permits
or
waste
permitted
by
right.
Minimum.
H
A
Okay,
the
only
thing
I
might
just
a
clue
on
that
signage
issue.
A
I
might
consider
that
no
signage
should
be
on
any
vehicle
that
can
be
read
from
10
feet
away,
but
certainly
a
suggested
manufacturer
retail
price
stickers
isn't
an
issue
on
a
side
window
or
whatever.
I.
H
D
F
F
H
And
so,
if
it,
I
think
that
would
fall
in
line
with
your
indoor
vehicle
rental.
F
Maybe
call
it
out:
if
the
you
know,
a
delivery,
center's
permitted
versus
somebody,
that's
conducting
on-site
sales,
that's
the
mucp!
Something
like
that.
Does
it
some
kind
of
differentiation
to
tell
them
we're
we
we
want
to
encourage
these
delivery
centers.
These
are
good.
You
know
come
on
in
town,
sure.
H
In
the
delivery
center
hypothetical
example,
would
you
see
them
as
having
more
than
10
vehicles
on
site
less.
F
Than
10
years
I
don't
you
know,
I
don't
know
the
model
but
yeah.
Usually
they
probably
they
get
a
couple
of
truck
transport
trucks
and
they
offload
them
and
then
they
have
their
appointments
with
their
customers
and
they
come
and
they
pick
them
up.
And
then
you
know
they
probably
have
that
twice
a
week
or
something
like
that.
H
B
Yeah,
that's
a
good
point,
because
you
know
what
we
keep
saying:
sales,
even
the
delivery.
Centers
do
act
as
point
of
sale
locations
so,
but
I
think
there's
a
way
that
we
can
differentiate
that
yeah.
Thank
you.
Yeah.
A
Okay,
I
think
we're
good
for
kyle
to
go
back.
Keep
on.
Are
there
going
to
be
any
public
outreach
within
the
business
parks
or
anything
we've.
H
A
Okay,
very
good,
very
good,
any
other
comments
by
commissioners.
I
know,
sir,
I
think
we've
gotten
through
both
our
items.
We
do
have
a.
H
A
F
Mr
chairman,
I'll,
I
believe
our
next
meeting
is
april.
The
6th
is
that
right.
F
Yes,
okay,
so
I
will
move
adjournment
to
the
next
regular
meetings
of
the
study
session
and
planning
commission
will
be
held
on
wednesday
april
6
2022
at
6
00
p.m.
At
the
san
clemente
community
center
auditorium.