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From YouTube: JUN 28, 2021 | Charter Review Commission
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City of San José, California
Charter Review Commission of June 28, 2021
This public meeting will be conducted via Zoom Webinar. For information on public participation via Zoom, please refer to the linked meeting agenda below.
Agenda https://sanjose.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=A&ID=873377&GUID=3B7F7BAE-DA45-4219-AFDC-EF29D5DF5010
A
A
A
A
A
B
B
B
Begin
our
meeting
so
good
evening.
This
is
the
june
28
2021
san
jose
charter
commission
meeting
I'd
like
to
call
a
meeting
to
order
and
with
the
orders
of
the
day
and
ask
that
the
clerk
take
the
role.
Please.
D
A
A
A
Okay,
no
worries
so
mark.
Commissioner
hui
tran
is
absent
as
well
as
jeremy
burus.
I
did
not
hear
them.
This
is
tony.
F
And
huitran
said
last
time
he
would
not
be
here
at
this
time.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
hi
megan,
I'm
here
perfect.
Thank
you.
Thank
you!
I'll
mark
you
absent,
jeremy
mark
you
present
jeremy.
Thank
you
jose
pasadas.
G
H
A
F
And
I
see
lundy
up
in
the
panelists
as
well.
Sorry
in
the
attendees.
B
B
Thank
you
all
right.
I
will
entertain
a
motion
to
adopt
the
consent.
B
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Do
you
have
a
second
please?
Second,
thank
you,
commissioner
marshman
and
the
clerk
will
take
the
role.
K
J
B
L
M
A
B
Thank
you,
and
now
I
would
ask
that.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
public
that
wants
to
address
this
on
the
consent
calendar.
K
B
Thank
you,
commissioner
matsumura
any
anyone
in
the
public
want
to
address
this
on
the
consent
calendar,
which
is
the
last
minute
and
letters
from
the
public.
N
N
Well,
I
guess
the
thing
that
I
was
addressing
in
terms
of
the
consent,
calendar
and
letters
from
the
public
is
that
when
I
first
came
to
the
meeting
you
know
many
months
ago
and
I
was
participated
and
talked
and
then
I
never
hear
anything
from
the
committee
so
that
that
I
think
is
a
shortcoming
in
our
democratic
processes
that
you're
having
to
look
at.
N
N
Thank
you
and
you
know
so
I
think
that's
a
problem
and
you
know
as
we're
looking
at
our
democratic
processes
that
you
know,
anybody
who
comes
to
the
meeting
should
be
on
an
email
that
then
we
should
be
notified
of
future
meetings
and
and
that's
something
that
hasn't
happened,
and
so
I
don't
know
how
we
we
actually
do
that
you
know
do
we.
You
know,
you
know,
give
our
emails.
N
We
put
our
name
on
the
list
and
you
know
so
we
you
know,
hopefully
that
would
have
triggered
you
know
some
type
of
correspondence,
hopefully
that
we,
you
know
signed
in
at
a
physical
meeting,
but
we
need
to
improve
our
virtualization
and
you
know
find
ways
of
gathering
that
data
from
the
participants
and
then
putting
them
on
the
mailing
list
to
keep
the
communication
going.
You
know
that's
what
one
of
the
issues
that
we
were
talking
about.
N
The
meeting
I
was
in
was
the
public
outreach
and
you
know,
I
think,
that's
a
really
important
part
and
of
course,
the
big
comment
that
I
really
in
this
meeting
today
is
because
of
our
my
demand
to
keep
virtualization
going
because
of
so
many
of
our
problems
and
the
transformational
change
that
our
climate
crisis
is
demanding
of
us,
and
part
of
that
is
the
virtualization
of
our
meetings.
It
improves
our
democracy,
it
deals
with
our
pollution,
our
climate
crisis
and
that's.
L
5586,
yes,
hello.
I
would
like
to
know
at
this
time
if
anyone
on
the
policing
subcommittee
of
the
charter
review
commission
has
any
potential
for
conflict
of
interest
in
what
the
activities
or
oversight
the
policing
subcommittee
would
consider
if
there's
any
conflict
of
interest
such
as
family
members
having
ties
to
police,
I
would
like
that
to
be
announced
at
this
time.
L
And
since
the
clock
is
still
running-
and
this
may
also
be
for
that
later
point
in
time,
if
the
police-
I
know
this
is
kind
of
a
technical
issue,
but
if
the
police
is
going
to
be
using
technology
such
as
artificial
intelligence
in
policing,
I'm
I'm
not
suggesting.
There's
anything
inherently
wrong
with
that,
but
I
would
like
the
the
policing
subcommittee
to
be
aware
of
it
and
to
be
educated
on
how
it
is
being
used
and
what
potential
abuses
there
could
be
with
the
use
of
ai.
D
Hi,
I
was
a
little
confused
about
the
consent
calendar.
I
did
hear
a
couple
of
items
mentioned
as
being
on
the
consent
calendar.
When
I
look
at
the
agenda,
I
don't
see
those
items
listed
there.
D
The
agenda
also
seems
to
indicate
that,
if
any
item
on
the
consent
calendar
is
addressed
by
the
public
or
by
a
panelist
or
committee
member,
that
it
then
gets
removed
from
the
consent
calendar,
and
so
you
may
want
to
clear
up
what
happens
when
somebody
has
a
question
about
an
item
on
the
consent
calendar,
whether
it
gets
moved
from
there
or
not.
D
D
O
Hi
my
name
is
helen
and
I'm
the
policy
and
advocacy
coordinator
with
the
african-american
community
service
agency
and
I'm
speaking
today
on
behalf
of
a
lot
of
our
constituents
of
the
organization
to
to
share
a
few.
A
few
comments.
One
some
of
the
things
that
we've
been
hearing
from
the
community
in
terms
of
things
that
we
would
like
to
try
to
review
to
review,
is
exploring
making
the
ipa
or
police
chief
in
elected
position
establishing
the
community
safety.
B
I'm
sorry
I'm
going
to
stop
you
right
now.
Just
this
is
just
on
the
consent
calendar.
So
we
want
to
hear
what
you
have
to
say
from
your
organization
at
the
public
hearing.
So
could
I
ask
you
to
hold
your
comments
because
they're
exactly
on
target,
but
if
this
is
just
to
respond
to
the
consent?
Calendar?
Okay,
our
next
item
will
come
up
in
the
public
hearing
I'll
call
for
you
and
that's
exactly
what
we
want
to
hear
from.
So
thank.
E
No,
the
other
hand
up.
She
has
already
spoken.
B
Awesome.
Thank
you
this.
The
next
item
is
the
just
the
review
of
the
procedure
for
the
public
hearing
speak
and
we'll
go
through
this
a
little
bit
different
when
we
get
into
the
public
hearing
itself
the
two
minutes
per
speaker
and
commissioner
brocio
did
you
want
to
add
something
from
the
I
gotta
note
that
you
wanted
to
speak
on.
The
accountability
subcommittee
wanted
to
make
sure
the
public
knew
that
you
were
covering
a
specific
topic.
Could
you
let
us
know
what
that.
B
M
Yeah,
sorry
about
that,
I
submitted
a
recommendation
on
friday,
but
I
definitely
want
it
to
be
vetted
by
the
subcommittee
on
accountability
and
inclusion.
So
I
didn't.
I
asked
I
asked
staff
ms
megan
to
hold
on
to
it
before
posting
it
to
the
agendas
and
it's
around
the
planning
commission
composition.
M
So
I
shared
it
with
with
our
consultants
yourself,
folks,
on
the
accountability
and
inclusion
committee.
So
I
know
we're
going
to
be
reviewing
some
of
the
subcommittee's
work.
So
if
that
bullet
could
be
included,
that
would
be
appreciated.
B
Thank
you.
So
then
I
want
to
just
review
the
agenda
slightly
for
the
for
the
sake
of
the
commission.
In
terms
of
our
process.
Tonight
we
will
go
into
the
public
hearing
at
six
o'clock,
which
is
the
public
the
published
time.
B
B
And
then
the
consulting
staff
is
working
right
now
will
be
working
during
the
public
hearing
to
see
if
they
can
in
some
ways
organize
tonight's
public
hearing
comments
into
the
different
various
buckets
so
that
after
we
finish
listening
to
the
public.
Getting
through
that
that
first
piece
of
old
business,
then
we'll
go
into
the
discussion
of
the
public
hearing
and
what
we've
heard.
B
And
at
that
time
we
will
have
the
revised
we'll
have
the
discussion
with
commissioners
about
the
revising
of
the
topics
and
then
the
subcommittee
assignments,
and
we
want
to
finalize
the
subject
in
the
assignments
today,
so
that
subcommittees
can
understand.
What
is
the
scope
of
the
areas
that
they're
looking
at
and
then
begin
their
process
of
deliberation
to
bring
back
recommendations
to
the
full
commission?
F
Just
a
quick
clarification
fred
that
that
all
happened
under
old
business
discussion
and
possible
action
on
work
plan.
So
there
is
a
new
business
item
with
discussion
on
bylaws
and
overview.
The
commission
process
that'll
happen
after
our.
F
What
fred,
just
discussed
and-
and
you
really
are
our
hope-
is
that
after
tonight
we
feel
good
about
the
final
list
of
topics
and
also
the
subcommittee
structure,
and
that
everyone
here
has
a
chance
to
express
any
desires
to
change
subcommittees,
and
we
can
do
it
once
and
thank
you
all
for
your
patience
on
this
process.
It
has
not
been
easy.
I
know
it
is.
F
You
know,
frustrating
frustrating
for
us
too,
but
we
want
to
do
it
tonight
after
we
hear
from
the
public
to
to
revisit
the
subcommittee
assignments
and
topics
during
the
old
business
item.
Thanks
for
the
clarification.
B
K
Yes,
thank
you.
I
would
love
the
chance
just
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
the
outreach
work
that
happened
leading
up
to
tonight.
It
might
be
a
great
opportunity
for
us
to
go
ahead
and
start
debriefing
that
in
case
there
are
lessons
for
the
subsequent
public
hearings,
because
those
are
coming
up
fast.
Will
we
have
an
opportunity
to
learn
about
the
outreach
work
that
has
led
up
to
tonight's
public
hearing,
perhaps
under
that
that
portion
of
old
business,
where
we
discuss
outreach
materials.
B
Yes,
thank
you,
commissioner
matt
samaras,
so
the
update
from
the
consultants
will
include
the
outreach
materials
and
the
cbo
update.
So
we
will
definitely
talk
about.
What's
happened
so
far
up
to
this
point
and
then
answer
any
questions
you
might
have,
but
that
is
under
the
update
from
the
consultant
in
the
old
business
agenda
item.
F
And
we
will
be
hearing
from
a
number
of
our
cbo
partners
as
well
as
some
of
their
community
members.
So
I
happy
to
talk
more
about
that
after
the
public
hearing.
B
B
Questions
all
right
since
we're
going
to
be
time
certain
I'm
going
to
just
call
a
little
recess
here
so
that
everyone's
fresh
and
ready
to
go,
and
we
will
start
the
public
hearing
six
o'clock
sharp.
So
everyone
can
take
a
break
now
and
since
we've
got
all
our
our
commission
business
done
quick,
we
can
take
a
break
and
six
o'clock,
everyone
be
back
and
ready
and
we
will
start
the
public
hearing
right
at
six
o'clock.
Thank.
B
B
A
A
A
A
A
B
I
want
to
call
the
san
jose
charter
commission
back
to
order
for
my
recess
at
this
time,
I'm
going
to
open
our
public
hearing
first
public
hearing
for
this
commission.
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
few
just
opening
comments
to
the
public.
This
commission
has
been
appointed
by
our
city
council.
There
are
two
representatives
from
each
of
the
districts
representing
the
districts
appointed
by
the
or
nominated
by
the
council
member,
representing
that
district
and
there's
three
members
that
the
mayor
appointed
two
for
city
at
large
and
myself
as
the
chair.
B
Each
district
has
these
representatives
in
order
to
hear
from
that
district
specifically,
but
also
to
listen
to
the
entire
community.
As
we
come
together
to
think
through
what
charter
amendments
we
might
be
suggesting
and
recommending
to
the
city
council.
For
the
last
few
months,
the
commission
has
been
going
through
a
study
phase
in
this
study
phase.
B
We've
looked
at
other
cities,
best
practices,
research
as
well
as
delve
into
what
our
city's
current
charter
system
is,
and
some
of
the
challenges
that
we
may
see
with
it,
and
some
of
the
benefits
that
we
that
we
want
to
hold
on
to.
So
we've
tried
to
spend
some
time
coming
together
as
a
commission
to
think
through
and
study
the
issues.
First
now
we
begin
the
second
phase
in
the
second
phase,
we're
really
looking
at.
How
do
we
come
together
to
think
through
what
the
recommendations
we
will
be
making
to
the
city
council
itself?
B
The
structure
that
we've
designed
is
that
the
commit
the
commission
is
going
to
be
drawn
into
subcommittees
to
take
on
these
different
topics,
and
then
they
will
be
coming
back
to
the
full
commission
with
recommendations
which
then
the
full
commission
will
vet
and
then
be
deciding
on.
Our
commission
will
be
voting
both
to
understand
I'm
sorry.
Our
commission
will
be
voting
from
their
understanding
of
the
issues
and
they
will
be
making
their
recommendations
in
two
forms.
B
One
is
there
will
be
a
majority
report,
so
the
majority
of
the
commission's
position
will
be
represented
to
the
council
for
as
a
as
a
majority
opinion,
but
there
will
also
be
a
minority
report
written
so
that
various
dissenting
views,
maybe
they
didn't
have.
The
majority
will
also
be
sent
to
the
council
for
their
consideration.
B
B
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
public
is
reminded
that
we're
the
charter,
commission,
and
so
any
revisions
to
the
city
charter
would
be
most
helpful
to
us
in
terms
of
your
ideas.
So
there
may
be
some
great
ideas,
but
they
aren't.
They
don't
go
to
the
charter
that
won't
be
as
helpful
to
us,
although
certainly
we
we
want
to
hear
from
the
public
in
terms
of
what
are
the
issues
that
you're
facing
that
you
want
this
commission
to
be
thinking
through
and
understanding
the
process
we'll
go
through
tonight.
B
As
the
city
clerk
will
call
on
members
of
the
public
as
they
raise
their
hands
in
the
audience
and
will
be
given
two
minutes,
the
two-minute
timer
will
go
up
on
the
screen
and
so
so
that
the
speaker
can
know
kind
of
that
can
judge
their
time
and
then,
during
this
time
our
consultants
will
be
trying
to
organize
in
groupings
the
different
topics
which
the
commission
will
then
consider
tonight,
so
that
we
can
finalize,
hopefully
finalize
the
subcommittee
assignments
and
the
subcommittee
areas
that
they'll
be
looking
at.
B
A
A
Additionally,
I
feel
like
the
charter
should
include
a
provision
for
ranked
choice.
Voting,
as
we've
seen
ranked
towards
voting,
is
getting
more
popular
gone
on.
The
ballot
has
been
implemented
in
albany
san
francisco,
new
york
city
and
as
such
should
provide
a
much
more
easier
way
for
people
to
get
into
governance
without
needing
a
ton
of
money.
A
A
ton
of
power
in
the
very
beginnings,
especially
with
the
primaries,
and
you
can
also
save
the
cost
of
one
election
and
also
consider
placing
the
ethics
commission
into
the
charter
itself,
because
the
ethics
commission
should
be
independent
body
rather
than
directly.
You
know,
created
by
ordinance,
because
an
ordinance
can
be.
A
A
P
Good
evening,
commissioners,
I
want
to
echo
what
kevin
ma
has
shared
and
also
to
add
some
of
the
comments
that
have
been
shared
over
the
last
couple
months
during
the
public
comment
process,
and
I
am
interested
in
having
the
commission
study
a
bill
of
rights
like
the
city
of
detroit
has
begun
to
do
and
presented
earlier
in
the
earlier
in
the
process
and
within
the
bill
of
rights.
I
would
like
them
to
look
at
civic
education
and
the
right
to
civic
education
in
multiple
language.
P
It
should
be
provided
at
libraries
and
community
centers,
and
I
think
this
would
increase
civic
participation
and
more
people
would
be
involved
in
commissions,
as
well
as
the
legislative
process,
and
I
would
also
like
the
commission
to
look
into
police
accountability.
What
does
it
look
like
to
evaluate
and
explore
a
ipa
auditor?
That
is
an
elected
position
with
subpoena
powers
or
an
elected
police
chief,
and
I
would
also
like
to
suggest
that
the
commission
also
look
at
adding
a
section
in
the
city
chart
that
doesn't
currently
exist
exist,
which
is
community
engagement.
P
This
has
been
a
very
difficult
process
to
really
keep
up
with
all
the
information,
and
I
think
that
we
can
begin
to
look
at
a
better
process
of
how
we
do
community
engagement
by
enshrining
it
in
our
city
charter
and
giving
that
process
the
reverence
that
it
deserves
and
the
potential
that
it
has
to
gather
the
community
together
to
work
in
building
a
more
sustainable
san
jose.
Thank
you.
O
Hi,
my
name
is
helen
and
to
continue
what
I
was
saying
earlier.
I'm
the
policy
and
advocacy
coordinator
with
the
african-american
community
service
agency,
and
I'm
also
going
to
be
sharing
public
comments
that
or
comments
that
have
come
from
our
constituents
as
well.
As
you
know,
in
during
past
charter
review
meetings
and
where
I
left
off
earlier
was
that
you
know
the
community
would
like
to
see
the
independent
police
auditor
and
the
police
chief
become
elected
positions.
O
O
The
city
will
provide
more
necessary
training
for
all
prospective
board
and
commission
members
and
residents
who
are
interested
in
applying
they
also
would
like
to,
or
we
would
also
like
to
ensure
that
there
are
enough
staff
resources
to
city
clerk's
office
to
ensure
that
all
city
meetings
and
materials
are
always
available
in
english,
spanish,
vietnamese
and
other
languages
widely
spoken
in
san
jose.
O
B
G
Hi,
thank
you
blair
beekman
here
I
was
a
really
nice
list
from
the
past
two
previous
speakers.
Thank
you.
I
think
it
really
might
very
much
spoke
to
the
ideas
of
the
democratic
process
and
the
community
process,
and
you
know
I
was
asking
what
what?
How
can
the
community
have
more
of
an
accessible
part
in
the
future?
The
process,
I
very
much
worry.
G
The
strongman
proposals
initially
introduced
by
the
mayor
himself,
were-
are
really
cold
and
isolated
and
are
very
much
focused
on
how
to
develop
a
relationship
between
the
mayor
and
the
future
of
developers
of
san
jose
and
big
business.
I
don't
think
that's
the
direction
we
want
to
be
going
in
we're
talking
about
accessibility,
we're
talking
about
community.
G
I
think
these
are
things
in
our
future
city
that
we're
going
to
that
are
going
to
be
incredibly
important
and
we're
developing
the
future
of
a
democracy
and
a
democratic
purpose
that
reimagine
and
equity
and
health
and
human
services
ideas
can
very
much
better
answer.
Possibly
at
this
time
we
have
good
reasonings
to
move
forward
with
this
thinking
from
from
previous
times,
the
city
of
oakland
has
just
been
past.
The
recent
budgets
that
can
give
a
good
example
of
what
we're
going
to
be
heading
towards
in
the
next
decade.
G
This
is
about
really
addressing
the
future
of
the
military-industrial
complex
of
this
country.
Basically,
these
are
ideas,
we're
building
a
future
of
peace
and
not
war,
so,
and
I
think
that
means
how
to
include
the
community
more
into
the
government
process,
not
less
and
not
building
it
in
the
name
of
large
corporate
developers.
G
E
R
Q
Is
matt
king
from
sacred
heart
community
service,
and
we
did
some
some
serious
outreach
on
this
back
in
may.
We
had
an
event
with
more
than
200
attendees
and
we
did
it.
We
did
some
town
hall
discussions
and
solicited
ideas
from
people,
some
of
which
have
already
been
put
forward
today,
and
I
want
to
echo
support
for
what
we
heard
from
kevin
ma
and
helen
casa
and
alina
yen,
and
I
would
add
just
a
couple
of
more
things.
Q
One
is
to
to
consider
adding
more
city
council
districts
because
it
is,
there
are
so
many
more
people
in
our
city
than
there
were
when
we
got
to
the
to
the
10
that
we
we
have
now
again.
I
I
second
the
ideas
around
the
sequel
for
equity,
requiring
requiring
an
affirmative
statement
explaining
how
any
decision
made
by
the
council
furthers.
Q
E
Q
Q
Q
You
know
which
we
unfortunately
have
not
seen
in
embedded
in
many
of
our
policy
decisions
to
date.
How
can
we,
how
can
we
move
towards
better
aligning
our
our
core
document
with
that
goal,
and
I
think
one
of
the
one
of
the
strongest
ways
we
can
do
that
in
ensuring
that
we're
electing
someone
who's
representative
of
the
entirety
of
the
city
of
san
jose
and
not
just
the
overrepresented
populations
that
vote
in
gubernatorial
years?
But
but
but
are
you
know
less
represented
in
the
the
electorate?
Q
And
we
have
you
know
some
who
are
some
some
parts
of
our
our
demographics,
including
lower
income,
people,
younger
voters,
latino
and
black
voters,
renters
others.
You
know
who
also
tend
to
align
with
with
lower
income
populations,
who
tend
to
have
less
political
power
and
vote
less
often
in
gubernatorial
years.
How
can
we
give
those
voters
and
those
working
families
more
of
a
say
in
selecting
our
future
mayor?
Q
N
Thank
you
so
much.
Okay,
good
appreciate
it.
I
think
our
the
most
critical
part
of
all
of
our
changes
in
our
charter
review,
commission
and
all
of
our
other
commissions
and
all
of
our
work
in
our
san
jose
city
have
to
start
focusing
on
climate
crisis
and
that's
what
we
missed.
We
missed
that
opportunity.
I'm
not
saying
it's
a
bad
opportunity
that
we
started
focusing
on
equity,
that's
all
well
and
good.
However,
the
equity
that
we're
really
trying
to
deal
with
now
is
saving
ourselves
as
a
species.
N
So
the
the
key
point
here
is
that
we
have
to
look
in
through
everything
to
the
lens
of
our
climate
crisis
and
that
would
entail,
in
terms
of
our
in
terms
of
our
charter
review,
that
we
must
leave
the
the
virtualization
of
our
meetings.
That
is
the
critical
element
that
has
brought
that
covet
has
brought
us
is
the
beauty
of
the
fact
that
we
have
so
much
more
democratic
participation.
N
L
Yes,
I'm
online
now
so
again
going
back
to
the
leasing
subcommittee
of
the
charter
review
commission.
L
In
considering
this,
the
constituents
of
the
policing
subcommittee
and
since
I
have
a
little
bit
more
time,
I'm
going
to
give
an
example
of
what
I
I'm
getting
at
at
the
time
of
the
black
lives
matter
march
in
I
believe
it
was
may
of.
Last
year,
former
police
chief
garcia
said
that
there
were
some
provocateurs
in
the
crowds,
the
peaceful
marchers
who
targeted
the
police,
and
this
is
what
sort
of
unleashed
the
large
police
reaction.
L
R
I'm
sorry
that's
danny
garza
good
evening,
and
and
thank
you
for
for
for
hearing
me.
I
want
to
go
in
just
a
little
bit
of
a
different
direction,
so
I
I'm
the
president
of
the
plateau
royal
neighborhood
association.
R
I
also
represent
mayfair
to
sell
arbuckle
and
at
times
capitol
park
what
what
we've
come
up
with
as
a
majority
of
the
residents
in
district
five
is,
you
know,
we're
looking
for
some
direction
to
code
enforcement,
accountability
and
something
by
the
numbers
you
know
according
to
the
complaints
and
and
the
area,
not
according
to
equity
throughout
the
city,
because
we
all
know
that
there
are
some
parts
of
the
city
that
that
are
not
as
in
dire
need
as
the
east
valley,
so
excuses
like
that
are
driving
away
the
community
here
in
san
jose,
especially
in
the
east
valley.
R
The
violation
according
to
the
processes
are
not
working
for
the
accountability
to
relief,
so
changes
and
the
ideas
are
are
are
what
we
have
and
we
would
like
to
see
this
brought
forward
in
this
process.
Hopefully
we're
on
the
right
track
here,
and
I
know
this
is
a
a
little.
A
Hello,
my
name
is
gabriela
garcon
gupta
and
I
am
the
civic
engagement
community
organizer
with
the
asian
law
alliance
here
in
san
jose.
I
appreciate
the
work
the
commission
has
done
in
the
past
few
months
to
solicit
community
input
and
create
an
equitable
process,
and
I
would
like
to
re-emphasize
a
couple
things
specifically
for
community
engagement.
I
urge
that
the
staff
and
the
resources
reflect
their
multilingual
and
multicultural
communities.
Specifically,
we
need
to
have
materials
that
are
available
widely
in
english,
spanish,
vietnamese
korean
and
other
languages
that
are
spoken.
A
Also,
I
like
to
suggest
that
there
is
robust
outreach
to
our
various
ethnic
groups
and
cbo,
specifically
the
aapi
groups.
Earlier
there
was
a
form
for
cvos
to
express
interest
in
supporting
the
commission.
Outreach
asian
law
alliance,
for
example,
did
not
receive
the
form.
We
need
to
prioritize
making
sure
that
all
organizations
that
have
long
been
established,
reach
out
and
are
able
to
reach
out
to
vulnerable
communities,
are
included
in
the
process
and
make
sure
that
advocacy
is
done
in
a
community-based
way.
A
Q
Q
There's
an
attempt
to
try
to
squash
keep
people
that
don't
normally
come
to
the
polls
away
from
the
polls,
and
I
think
that,
if
you
guys
are
called
to
do
anything,
you
are
called
to
make
sure
that
the
democratic
process
is
as
wide
and
broad
as
it
could
possibly
be.
There's
a
lot
of
issues
being
speaked
up
spoken
about
right
now,
but
this
one
is
the
one
that
hurt
my
heart.
Q
Q
J
Hi
I'm
brett
baimaster
with
healing
grove
health
center.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
work
on
this
and
appreciative
of
the
of
the
robust
public
conversation.
That's
happening
around
the
charter
review,
where
we've
healing
growth
health
center
through
our
moderate
module
program,
has
been
working
with
low-income,
spanish-speaking
latinos
to
get
feedback
on
different
options
for
the
the
the
potentials
for
the
charter.
The
the
charter
review
a
couple
things
we've
heard.
J
If
you're
an
engineer
and
a
construction
project
gets
idled
because
they
can't
get
permits,
you
still
get
paid,
but
if
you're
a
construction
worker
and
a
construction
project
idles
you
don't
get
paid,
and
so
the
the
slow
speed
of
permitting
within
the
city
of
san
jose
really
impacts,
low-income
people
so
having
a
strong
mayor
that
could
really
come
in
and
fix
some
of
those
issues
and
speed
things
up
would
be
really
helpful.
J
So
a
lot
of
people
have
expressed
that,
but
then,
on
the
other
side,
a
lot
of
people
are
worried
that
that
a
strong
mayor
would
reduce
representation
and
low
income,
particularly
undocumented
communities.
J
We
get
a
lot
more
response
from
our
local
city
council
person,
and
so
a
lot
of
people
feel
like
a
a
a
weak
mayor
would
or
a
city
city
manager
model
is
more
effective
at
providing
representation,
and
so
we
want
to
see
options
from
the
charter
review
commission
on
getting
the
best
of
both
worlds,
both
making
sure
that
local
people
have
representation
that
actually
has
power
and
making
sure
that
the
city
can
become
more
responsive
to
the
needs
of
people
and
the
needs
of
business,
particularly
around
creating
jobs
for
people
living
in
poverty.
C
Good
evening,
chair
and
fellow
commissioners,
my
name
is
walter
wilson
and
I'm
a
community
activist.
I
want
to
say
that
I
support
the
statements
by
residence,
willie
and
jeffrey
buchanan
and
and
others
during
this
session.
You
know
I'm
very
concerned
myself:
we
have
over
30
states
with
over
61
laws
that
they're
trying
to
enact
to
suppress
the
black
vote
in
this
country.
C
You
know
what
that
really
is
about.
You
know
trump
saying
he
won
the
election.
If
blacks
didn't
vote,
he
wins.
The
election
is
what
he's
trying
to
say,
and
so
it
it.
It's
just
amazing
to
me
that
this
city
council,
the
san
jose
city
council,
would
vote
was
the
setup
in
our
city
council.
These
elected
officials
will
vote
not
to
move
the
mayor's
election
to
the
presidential
year,
the
gubernatorial
year,
so
that
more
people
can
have
a
say,
and
particularly
people
of
color
have
a
say
in
who
runs
this
city.
C
It
is
a
height
of
voter
suppression,
right
here
in
san
jose,
quite
frankly,
they're
no
different
than
those
white
supremacist
states
who
want
to
make
sure
black
people
don't
vote
and
that's
not
nonsense.
That's
just
a
fact.
You
know,
city
council
voted
on
that
long
before
these
other
states
decided
to
do
it.
C
E
On
the
other
hand,
that
person
has
already
spoken,
so
there
are
no
more
hands
up.
B
All
right
hearing
from
all
the
members
of
the
public,
I
have
now
closed
this
public
hearing
and
thanked
the
members
of
the
public
very
sincerely
for
their
time
and
energy
and
efforts
and
being
here
tonight.
We
really
appreciate
your
input
and
definitely
will
all
all
of
these
points
will
be
considered,
have
been
recorded
and
will
be
considered
by
the
commission.
B
So
I
thank
you
very
much
for
your
participation
in
this
public
hearing
and
I
invite
you
to
come
to
the
other
public
hearings
to
make
sure
that
you
also
continue
to
give
input
from
this
from
the
communities
around
the
recommendations
as
they
start
to
come
forward
from
the
commission
before
they
go
to
the
council.
B
At
this
time.
I'd
like
to
move
us
to
our
back
to
our
agenda,
and
the
first
item
is
the
update
from
the
consultants
and
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
outreach
materials,
the
cbo
update
and
I'd
like
lawrence
for
you
specifically
to
answer
the
question
about
the
website
and
new
notifications
of
the
website
revisions
and
then
the
notifications
to
the
public
of
how
they.
F
F
Absolutely
thanks
chair
just
want
to
get
the
right
document
up
here.
Okay,
so
update
since
we
last
spoke.
Thank
you
all
for
your
input
on
the
materials
that
we
developed
for
outreach.
F
The
first
round
of
those
materials
were
revised,
based
on
your
input
and
shared
with
you
all
in
what
we
were
calling
the
community
promotion
community
partner,
promotional
toolkit
and
the
initial
materials
were
done
in
english,
and
then
we
city
clerk's
office
had
them
translated
into
spanish
and
vietnamese
and
they
were
shared
with
you
all
in
a
a
an
update
early
last
week.
All
of
that
is
being
tracked
in
this
document.
Oh
can
I
share
my
screen
tony
or
megan.
F
F
But
this
is
where
we
are
compiling
all
the
materials
that
we're
developing
for
the
next
round
of
public
hearings,
we'll
revise
the
outreach
materials
accordingly
and
and
get
those
out
to
all
of
you
and
all
of
our
community
partners,
so
that
is
the
status
of
the
outreach
materials
and
so
far,
many
thanks
to
our
community
partners
who
have
started
to
use
those
materials.
F
We
have
a
a
flyer
that
is
about
the
types
of
government
which
is
that
chart
that
we're
working
on
that's
a
bit
more
of
an
in-depth
resource.
We've
got
essentially
a
background
resource
guide,
and
this
is
sort
of
a
best
of
of
our
study
sessions.
This
is
a
newer
document
that
you
might
not
have
seen,
but
this
is
a
link
to
some
of
the
specific
recordings.
The
youtube
that's
been
posted
publicly.
F
Some
of
our
guest
speakers,
so
this
is
a
very
handy
reference
for
any
of
you
that
want
to
go
back
and
listen
to
some
of
our
past
discussions,
and
then
we've
got
some
email
copy,
some
social
copy,
as
well
as
there
is
the
the
presentation
deck
that
we
developed.
So
this
is
the
the
first
pass
on
this.
F
The
website
is,
let
me
share
my
screen
again
different
window
working
with
the
city
clerk's
office
to
update
the
website
have
asked
them
to
add
some
more
pages
here,
so
that
we
have
all
the
subcommittee
documents
as
well
as
breaking
out
the
charter
review
commission
documents
from
the
back
mem
background
materials
so
trying,
as
we
can
within
the
constraints
of
the
city's
content
management
system.
To
take
all
this
information
and
make
it
a
bit
more
accessible,
we
have
added
this
section,
engage
with
the
commission
and
we've
posted
a
form.
F
If
folks
would
like
to
sign
up
for
notifications
of
upcoming
public
hearings,
they
can
do
that
here
and
they're
taken
to
a
google
form,
and
I
we've
had
six
people
sign
up.
I
emailed
those
folks
today
to
remind
them
about
our
hearing
this
evening
and
if
anyone
was
interested
in
sharing
their
thoughts
outside
of
a
meeting
or
a
public
hearing,
we've
added
the
website
here.
So
people
can
do
that
we'll
work
on
getting
all
this
translated
as
well.
That's
in
the
queue
with
the
city
clerk's
office.
F
Again,
you
know,
given
you
know
their
their
capacity
to
do
so
doing
the
best
we
can
on
that
front
and
we
are
committed
to
it.
The
additional
update
on
the
community
partners
is
that
we
have
eight
organizations
that
we've
been
working
with
and
have
talked
about
those
in
the
past.
I
shared
the
the
full
list
of
folks
that
expressed
interest.
F
Apologies
to
the
asian
law
alliance,
we'd
love
to
talk
to
you
about
joining
the
outreach
group
to
focus
on
ai
aapi
community
outreach
and
we're
in
the
process
of
finalizing
agreements.
Some
of
the
there's
some
summer
vacation
happening.
Some
of
our
community
partners
are
traveling
in
the
great
push
for
post-pandemic
opening
family.
Seeing
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
F
Some
have
actually
already
been
doing
the
the
outreach,
including
the
african-american
community
service
agency
and
healing
grove.
So
this
was
a
trial
run
to
get
folks
out
to
a
public
hearing,
and
we
are
the
next
steps.
Are
we
have
asked
each
of
the
community
organizations
to
share
a
an
outreach
plan
for
the
next
month
to
share
with
us
how
they
well
the
activities
that
they
plan
to
do
to
to
turn
out
folks
or
to
at
least
share
the
share.
F
F
July,
29th,
yes,
and
at
the
end
of
the
month,
we'll
be
asking
them
to
share
a
report
of
their
outreach
activities
which
we'll
compile
into
a
report
to
share
with
you
and
welcome
your
feedback
and
conversation
about
that.
The
idea
is
to
to
get
since
we
started
mid-june.
We
don't
have
a
report
for
and
we're
still
finalizing
agreements
with
some
of
our
partners.
F
We
don't
have
a
report
for
right
now,
but
we
will
have
monthly
reports
moving
forward
and
our
intention
to
share
that
with
you
be
transparent
about
this
and
get
your
feedback
about
any
specific
communities
that
you
feel
like.
We
need
to
be
focusing
on
and
we'll
do
the
best
I
can
do
the
best
we
can
about
that.
F
B
F
B
B
I
see
commissioner
posadas.
G
H
F
We
I
have
not
heard
from
there's
one
that
I
haven't
heard
from
and
haven't
been
able
to
there's
actually
a
couple
that
kind
of
have
been
sort
of
slowed
to
finalize
agreements.
So
you
know
where
there
are
nine
on
the
table.
I
just
there's
one
that's
kind
of
been
a
little
bit
hard
to
to
follow
up
with.
So
I
that's
why
I'm
saying
eight
right
now,
but
we've
had
for
an
active
conversation
with
eight.
Thank
you
yep.
Thank
you
for,
for
that
clarification.
K
Thank
you.
What
were
the
the
outreach
goals
or
numerical
targets
for
today's
public
hearing.
F
We
are
still
compiling
that
we're
still
working
on
getting
the
agreements
back
from
the
cbo's
and
we've
asked
each
of
those
to
share
what
they
think
is
possible,
given
their
communities
and
their
capacity.
So
I
don't
have
a
number
it's
a
monthly
number,
so
I
don't
have
numbers
for
today.
Like
I
said
we
are
getting
this
up
and
running.
It
was
a
big
push
to
to
get
the
materials
translated
and
start
the
conversations
with
cbo's.
F
So
I
don't
have
actual
targets
for
you
today,
but
I
will
have
them
before
our
next
public
hearing
all
right.
K
I'm
sorry
I
I
did
have
just
one
other
question:
if
you
could,
if
you
could
walk
through
in
addition
to
to
the
cbs,
we're
in
conversation
with
what
were
all
the
other
outreach
efforts
that
we
undertook
actively.
Obviously
we
have
a
website,
but
I
know
in
the
past
we've
compiled
all
the
email
addresses
from
city
council
meetings.
We've
we've
gotten
input
from
commissioners.
I
know
there
was
requests
to
commissioners
to
send
it
out.
K
I
don't
know
if
we
know
so
do
we
have
a
list
anywhere
of
or
any
way
of
knowing
what
the
outreach
efforts
were
comprehensively.
F
I
I
can
speak
to
what
we
did.
We
have
a
list
of
community
organizations
that
we've
been
emailing,
and
that
includes
a
lot
of
our
contacts
and
others
that
we've
we've
worked
with
in
san
jose.
It's
not
comprehensive.
F
I
don't
know
who
the
city
clerk
reached
out
to
so
maybe
tony
or
megan
can
speak
to
that.
I
I
really
have
no
idea
what
commissioners
did
as
far
as
promoting
this.
You
know,
but
really
asking
you
all
to
share
this
with
your
contacts
as
best
we
can.
F
So
I
I
there's
no
reporting
back
on
that,
so
I
don't
know
kind
of
what
what
has
happened
with
with
those
requests
and
then,
as
I
said,
you
know
we're
starting
to
build
the
list
of
folks
that
are
interested
in
upcoming
meetings
through
that
notification
sign
up
form.
So
we
have
six
folks
that
I
followed
up
with
this
morning
to
remind
them
so
and.
K
E
Yes,
I
did
send
this
out
to
all
of
the
council
offices,
including
the
mayor's
office.
I
sent
it
directly
to
the
mayor's
outreach
person.
He
has
a
comprehensive
list,
that's
city-wide!
That
includes
all
of
the
districts,
so
I
sent
it
to
all
of
them.
I
put
it
on.
I
finally
got
access
to
my
facebook.
I
put
it
on
facebook
and
twitter
facebook
blocked
me
from
being
able
to
boost
the
post.
I
used
to
be
able
to
boost
posts,
but
I
guess
they
cracked
down
on
politics.
E
This
was
considered
politics,
so
I'm
working
with
facebook
now
to
get
my
account
authorized
to
be
able
to
boost
posts
that
they
consider
political
in
nature,
so
that
didn't
get
boosted
out
to
all
of
san
jose.
It
just
went
out
to
people
who
already
follow
my
facebook,
but
it
did
go
to
every
council
office
twice,
so
it
should
have
gone
out
with
to
everybody
that
they
have.
A
S
Thank
you.
So
I
I
see
that
it
is
digital.
How
community
members
can
respond
to
our
answers,
given
that
there
isn't
that
much
paper
involved
that
they
can
upload
their
answers
to
this
website.
S
S
So
I
would
like
to
be
able
to
ask
the
very
specific
questions
pertinent
to
my
subcommittee
to
the
organizations
and
have
them
be
able
to
give
their
responses
to
the
website
in
a
very
public
way
they
don't
have
to.
I
mean
I
think
an
organization
can
go
through
all
of
our
topics
and
determine
which
ones
they
want
to
respond
to,
and
that's
that's
fine,
that's
their
choice,
but
I
at
least
want
some
outreach
on
my
specific
subcommittee
and
right
now
we
don't
have
any
through
civic
makers.
F
Well,
you
know
I
I
would
quibble
with
the
characterization
of
rejecting
you
know
the
the
idea
was
that
we
were
promoting
this
public
hearing,
and
that
was
the
focus
of
the
outreach
materials.
As
mentioned
for
upcoming
public
hearings,
we'll
be
shifting
the
messaging
to
talk
about
the
topics
that
will
be
considered.
F
You
know
I
I'm
trying
to
to
serve
all
the
subcommittees
and
all
commissioners-
and
you
know
there
are
limits
as
far
as
how
much
detail
we
can
ask.
I
think
that
I've
heard
from
some
commissioners
that
we
have
to
and
some
of
our
community
partners
that
we
have
to
keep.
We
have
to
to
start
at
a
place
where
people
can
understand
the
conversation
and
plug
in
and
then
obviously
I'm
getting
some
very
specific
requests
about
very
specific
topics.
So
I'm
I
we
are
doing
the
best
we
can.
F
If
I
can,
I
think,
potentially
soliciting
questions
for
for
cbo's
to
to
take
out
to
to
their
community.
If
different
subcommittees
want
to
to
share
some
of
those
questions,
I
can
pass
them
along
and,
and
we
can
see
you
know
if
that
fits
within
what
they
think
is
the
best
way
to
talk
to
to
their
community
again.
You
know
we
are
really
leveraging
the
the
expertise
and
and
relationships
and
lived
experience
of
the
community
partners
to
be
able
to
do
what
they
do
and
it's
not
just
digital.
F
You
know,
there's
by
master,
spoke
of
of
in-person
meetings.
You
know
that,
after
helen
from
the
african
american
community
service
agency
has
hosted
a
number
of
civics
workshops,
so
this
is
all
happening.
You
know
in
different
ways,
but
you
know
I'm
trying
to
facilitate
as
best
I
can.
S
F
S
E
Ad
hoc
subcommittees
are
designed
to
not
create
extra
work
for
staff
when
subcommittees
start
asking
us
to
update
the
website
and
do
all
of
these
other
things
we're
moving
into
territories
where
you're
directing
my
staff
to
do
additional
work
that
we
are
not
budgeted
for.
We
are
we.
We
have
staffing
for
the
regular
meetings,
not
for
the
subcommittees,
so
I'm
not
saying
we
can't
do
it.
I'm
saying
that
we're
we're
starting
to
move-
and
this
may
be-
should
be
discussed
more
under
the
process.
E
Part
versus
this
we're
moving
into
creating
a
lot
of
extra
work
for
my
staff.
I
got
budget
cuts.
Megan
is
now
no
longer
funded
as
of
july.
1St
will.
Luckily
we
had
somebody
resign.
I
was
able
to
move
her
into
that
resigned
position,
so
we're
not
losing
megan,
but
she's
not
going
to
be
fully
yours
anymore,
because
we
lost
the
over
strength
position
to
even
have
a
legislative
secretary
for
you.
So
we
have
a
larger
workload
you're
asking
us
to
do
more
work.
E
E
So
that's
just
something
I
would
need
to
to
talk
with
mark
about
having
the
subcommittees
put
extra
work
on
us.
The
point
of
the
subcommittees
wasn't
to
give
us
extra
work.
It
was
to
help
you
guys,
discuss
items,
I'm
not
saying
we
don't
want
to
do
anything.
We
just
don't
have
a
lot
of
time
to
get
everything
done,
I'm
already
over
a
thousand
overtime
hours
with
staff
this
year.
B
I
guess
tony,
I
would
just
add.
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
from
commissioner
siegel
is:
what
is
a
process
by
which
subcommittees
can
get
specific
input
from
the
community
and
so
trying
to
figure
out
that
process.
I
think,
is
trying
to
do
that
without
trying
to
give
city
staff
a
lot
more
work
to
do
and
if
we're
using
a
digital
medium,
then
I
think
there
may
be
a
process
that
we
can
discuss
like.
B
I
can
discuss
with
the
consultant
around
what
would
be
a
simple
process
for
us
to
be
able
to
post
these
questions
like
we
do
with
facebook
or
anything
else
right,
just
as
an
open
question
and
as
commissioner
segal
says,
commit
commission
subcommittees,
I'm
sorry
the
cbo's
can
take
it
or
leave
it
right.
They
could
be
like.
Oh,
this
is
really
important
question.
We
have
something
to
say,
or
they
can
be
like.
B
That's
not
even
our
issue,
we're
not
going
to
talk
about
it,
so
I
do
think
we
should
figure
out
a
process
that
doesn't
entice,
put
an
undue
burden
on
the
city
clerk's
office,
but
I
do
think
we
can
figure
that
process
out
in
pretty
simple
version
of
that,
so
that,
in
a
timely
way,
subcommittees
could
send
questions
to
the
general
public
and
say
here's
a
question
we
have
for
you
and
folks
can
feel
free
to
weigh
in.
They
can
also
feel
free,
as
commissioner
siegel
says,
to
not
weigh
in
so
I'll.
B
F
B
We
can
formulate
them
to
make
them
easy
and
readable
and
clear
so
that
they
kind
of
know
what
they're
at
you're
asking
and
make
sure
that
we
can
do
that
in
a
timely
manner.
I
think
that's
a
that'd
be
a
good
liaison
work
with
our
cpos
and
really
be
helpful
to
the
subcommittee.
So
I
I'll
work
with
our
consultants
on
that.
B
Commissioner.
Calendar.
C
Yes,
I
wasn't
going
to
speak
on
the
last
issue,
but
I
think
it's
critical
that
we
do
get
this
input
into
the
subcommittees,
but
we're
expecting
the
subcommittees
to
operate
in
a
vacuum
of
no
information.
I
think
that's
going
to
be
really
challenging,
so
I
definitely
support
commissioner
siegel
when
she's
going
in
terms
of
how
do
we
get
this
impotent.
I
understand
that
she'll
be
working
with
the
cbo's,
and
that
was
the
original
intent
of
what
I
was
going
to
talk
to.
C
I
did
hear
where
lawrence
who
talked
about
eight
cbo's,
and
I,
when
I
talked
last
time
I'd
asked,
did
we
do
outreach
to
all
cbos
and
I
expressly
expressed
interest
in
making
sure
that
the
asian
community
was
represented
and
specifically
mentioned
the
asian
law
alliance.
So
I
was
really
disappointed
when
I
heard
today
that
the
asian
law
alliance
hadn't
ever
been
invited
to
even
put
in
a
proposal.
C
I
think
that
we
really
do
need
to
take
a
look
at
making
sure
that,
if,
if
we're
not
going
to
get
the
input
to
the
subcommittees,
let's
work
with
the
cbo
partners
to
make
sure
they're
driving
at
least
input
from
the
rel
from
the
different
communities.
But
we've
got
to
make
sure
that
we
have
active
and
engaged
partners
that
are
out
there.
The
asian
law
alliance
has
long
been
known
to
be
a
voice,
a
very
strong
voice
of
all
communities
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
the
asian
community.
C
So
I
would
love
to
see
and
make
sure
that
we
know
that
we
have
active
engaged
partners
in
our
ethnic
communities
that
are
at
least
going
to
bring
back
information.
I
understand
the
staffing
challenges
and
I
understand
where
we
are
through
the
city,
clerk's
office
and
then
and
I'd
hate,
to
have
to
go
back
to
council
to
ask
for
any
more
dollars
because
look
at
where
you
keep
pointing
this
out.
Look
at
where
we
sit
now
we're
at
june
28th.
We
have
to
go
back
to
council
to
ask
for
additional
dollars.
C
That's
going
to
be
another
two
or
three
months.
I
think
we've
got
to
work
with
what
we
have
and
try
to
make
the
best
out
of
what
we
have
in
order
to
move
forward,
but
I
still
think
over
the
last
two
weeks
I
was
expecting
to
hear
here
are
some
additional
cbo's
that
can
help
get
the
word
out.
Instead,
we
rolled
back
by
one,
so
I'm
hoping
we
can
get
this
fixed.
C
A
A
So
I'm
just
wondering
how
many
ceos
that
we
have
have
the
capacity
to
reach
out
to
the
asian
community-
and
I
know
a
lot
of
the
asian
community-
include
myself
are
first
generation,
so
we
we
probably
don't
even
understand
what
each
other
each
other
review
means.
So
not
necessarily
saying
any
specific
organizations.
A
R
Chair
and
thank
you
to
lawrence
and
staff
for
putting
together
the
outreach
toolkit,
I
found
it
really
helpful.
Everything
was
nice
and
together
I
did
get
a
little
bit
of
feedback
from
some
of
the
organizations
and
people
I
reached
out
using
the
toolkit,
especially
the
flyers.
People
just
couldn't
see
the
date
for
the
hearing.
You
know
the
list
was
the
list
of
dates.
I
guess
was
is
helpful,
but
I
guess
some
people
got
confused
about
it.
They
were
playing
where's
the
date
and
also
they
were
asking
for
the
zoom
link.
R
Like
you
know,
I
know,
there's
the
bentley
link,
that's
on
the
flyers
and
like
some
of
the
infographics,
but
I
did
get
some
replies
back.
Just
people
were
just
confused
about
the
date
and
the
zoom
link.
If
there's
any
opportunity
to
possibly
maybe
make
you
know
one
flyer
for
each
state,
if
that's
not
too
much
with
the
zoom
link,
that
might
be
helpful.
Thank
you.
B
Great,
thank
you,
commissioner,
bruce
for
your
feedback
really
helpful.
Commissioner
amador.
O
Yes,
thank
you
and
just
to
jump
into
what
commissioner
varus
said.
Also,
when
the
bit
link
you
would
go
to
it
would
take
us
to
our
page,
but
then
it
said
watch
through
the
zoom
link
and
then
it
gave
you
a
different
zoom
length
than
this
one.
So
definitely
pay
attention
into
that,
because
that's
what
I
posted
first,
when
I
was
doing
my
outreach
and
had
several
people
telling
me
that
it
was
the
wrong
one.
O
So
if
we
can
make
sure
to
put
that
it
was
the
right
one,
I
also
want
to
follow
up
with
you
know.
I
know
that
we're
saying
you
know
we're
all
here
and
we're
really
doing
our
best,
I'm
putting
a
lot
of
time
a
lot
of
volunteering
time,
but
when
I
do
here,
I'm
I'm
doing
my
best
as
I
can
as
a
as
as
an
organization
that
apply
to
wanting
to
be
here
with
us
and
doing
this
work.
It's
not
enough.
O
O
I'm
here
doing
extra
hours,
I'm
doing
extra
outreach
and
all
because
of
the
love,
because
I
know
that
it
needs
to
be
done
and
because
again,
because
my
community
has
always
been
told
I'm
doing
the
best
that
I
can-
and
I
can
do
more
so
really
think
taken
that
into
mind
and
other
communities
that
I
have
been
told
the
same
thing.
I
also
wanted
to
mention
about
the
subcommittees.
You
know
as
we're
going
into
the
conversation
with
the
cbo's.
O
I
can't
I
I
wish
not
to
wait
until
every
two
weeks
or
every
month
to
learn
about
what
the
conversation
with
the
cbo's
are
going
or
who's
getting
engaged
or
stuff
like
that.
So
I
would
definitely
like
an
email
or
something
public
that
you
know.
Whatever
conversation
is
going
between
the
cbo's
and
the
chair
and
civic
makers.
That
would
be
great
and
yeah,
and
that's
about
it
again.
The
process
of
communication
when
engaging
the
cbo's
is
very
important.
O
M
Thank
you
in
regards
to
clarity
around
dates
along
with
what's
been
mentioned
about
the
promotional
material.
If,
if
on
the
draft
templates
for
folks
to
to
complete
the
recommendations,
I
was,
I
was
a
little
confused
about
the
terminoli
draft,
but
then
I
saw
that
we
are
to
delete
it
and
then
type
in
a
different
title.
I
wonder
if,
on
that
draft
template,
if,
if
maybe
we
can
remove
draft
on
it
and
input,
something
like
insert
title
here
so
then
that
way.
M
Folks
in
the
community
know
that
it's
not
a
work
in
progress,
but
that
is
the
official
doc.
That's
ready
to
be
played
with,
or
information
to
be
included
in,
and
also
at
the
top
in
that
red
box
be
really
specific
about
deadlines.
If
subcommittees
have
certain
deadlines
in
terms
of
when
recommendations
need
to
be
in
by,
I
think
we
have
the
email
that
it
needs
to
go
to.
It
goes
to
megan,
so
that's
very
clear,
but
going
back
to
dates
if
certain
deadlines
could
be
put
on
there.
M
And
earlier
way,
back
in
march,
I
did
ask
the
city
attorney
about
posting
surveys
on
facebook
and
he
did
reply
to
me
in
a
very
concise
good
way.
So
I
know
that
it
is
allowed-
and
maybe
mr
mr
vani
can
can
expand
on
that
in
terms
of
you
know
getting
feedback
at
the
subcommittee
level
and
then
my
last
thing
is
a
question:
can
the
public
attend
our
subcommittee
and
engage
in
a
discussion.
B
We're
going
to
get
to
that
in
a
second
commissioner:
let's
wait
on
that!
One!
Okay!
Thank
you!
Uh-Huh!
Any
other
christopher
johnson,
vice
chair
of
johnson.
A
Thank
you.
I
had
a
question
if
it's
possible
for
us
to
invite
cbo's
to
present
at
a
subcommittee
meeting
or
for
a
cbo
to
request
to
present
at
a
certain
subcommittee
meeting.
I
think
that
would
be
another
way
to
encourage
way
for
us
to
get
feedback
from
the
cbo's
and
what
they're
hearing
from
the
residents
that
they
are
working
with.
B
Let's
move
that
question
to
the
next
set
when
we
start
talking
about
the
process
question,
but
I
think
your
your
question
is
exactly
part
of
the:
how
do
we
make
this
liaison
with
the
cbo's
work
and
vice
chair
johnson?
Do
you
want
to
speak
to
the
api,
because
you
and
I
had
discussions
about
that-
trying
to
make
sure
that
that
api
was
more
representative
in
our
cbos?
A
Yes,
we
did
have
a
conversation
with
about
that
and
I
know
with
asian
law
alliance.
That
organization
was
definitely
floated
around
in
our
conversation,
so
I'm
not
sure
what
happened
there
and
why
they
didn't
receive
an
interest
form.
But
I
know
that
I've
I
reached
out
to
a
bunch
of
organizations,
including.
O
A
B
Yeah-
and
I
do
think
that
there
were
a
number
of
organizations
like
neighborhood
associations
that
we
had
and
that
we're
still
working
with
and
still
get
engaging
with,
so
there's
it's
not
a
closed
process,
we're
trying
to
make
sure
that
it's
as
open
as
possible,
so
lots
of
different
organizations
need
different
materials,
some
just
needed
the
actual
social
media
content,
all
the
other
pieces
they
had
to
put
out
to
their
neighborhood
associations.
B
F
And
I
just
want
to,
I
just
want
to
say
I
went
back
and
looked
at
our
promotional
efforts
around
the
the
cbo
interest
form
and
we
actually
did
reach
out
to
the
asian
law
alliance.
We
didn't
hear
back,
we
probably
didn't
have
the
right
person,
so
you
know
we're
again.
I
know
it's
not
enough.
We
are
doing
our
best
with
our
relationships,
and
this
is
an
effort
where
you
know
if
you
have
a
contact
at
the
asian
law
alliance.
F
Please
like
share
with
me
and
I'll
follow
up,
but
you
know
we
did
reach
out
to
them
and
unfortunately
we
never
heard
back
from
them.
At
least
they
never
submitted
the
form.
So,
okay,
thanks
yeah,
commissioner.
B
To
have
a
discussion
on
the
next
item,
which
is
a
commissioned
discussion
on
the
rising
of
the
topic
and
finalize
finalizing
of
the
subcommittee
assignments,
I'm
going
to
ask
the
consultant
to
start
with
the
kind
of
a
summary
of
the
new
topics
that
were
that
came
up
in
the
public
hearing.
The
consulting
staff
has
been
trying
to
reorganize
them.
I'm
sorry,
commissioner,.
B
I
didn't
have
it
as
a
separate
item
in
terms
of
its
on
the
old
business
report,
but
I'm
happy
to
do
that.
The
next
item
is
the
process
for
the
subcommittees,
and
I
know
that
folks
want
to
weigh
in
on
that
one,
but
I'm
happy
to
open
it
up
about
the
outreach
to
the
con
to
our
work
on
the
outreach
materials
and
the
cbo
update.
N
All
right,
thank
you
so
much
well.
One
one
comment
is
that
you
can
hear
me:
I
guess
yeah,
so
you
hear
me,
can
you
hear
me.
N
Okay,
good
sweetie,
good
thanks.
Well,
I
guess
the
issue
on
one
thing
is
acronyms:
you
have
to
be
careful
with
your
acronyms
because
we
don't
always
know
what
they're
about
so
repeating
them
as
the
full
name.
That
would
be
helpful
in
terms
of
communication
and
then
the
other
thing
that
I
think
is
important
that
we
don't
get
in
our
well
with
the
with
our
zoom
to
improve
our
zoom
technology.
N
We
should
have
the
the
chart
should
show
what
item
we're
talking
about.
That's
that
would
be
helpful,
like
as
if
we
were
in
council
in
person
that
we
would
see
what
we're
what
the
actual
item
is.
That's
up
for
review
and
then,
on
top
of
that
in
terms
of
public
outreach,
which
is,
you
know,
really
appreciate
you
guys
really.
You
know
valuing
that,
and
is
that
that
we
need
to
know
the
participants
I
think
participant
lists
should
be
in
there.
N
That
is
through
at
least
listing
our
names
and
and
our
email
addresses
that
we
you
know
if
we
want
to
share
that
and
what
you
know,
what
group
we
might
be
affiliated
with,
so
that
that
way
of
connecting
with
each
other
that
you
could
facilitate
would
be
helpful.
And
I
guess
that
that
was
one
issue
and,
and
basically
you
know,
of
course
the
major
issue
is
to
keep
the
virtualization
going.
N
That
is
the
challenge
that
we're
gonna
have
because
it's
all
you
know
people,
you
know
the
the
powers
that
be
actually
don't
like
our
participation
and
they
you
know,
and
so
it's
really
a
matter
of
how
we're
going
to
keep
that
virtualization
going,
because
that
is
what
improves
our
democracy
and
it's
also
issues
of
climate
change,
as
in
terms
of
not
having
to
drive-
and
you
know,
go
to
these
meetings.
E
Call
ending
nine
zero
one,
eight
press
star
six.
L
L
I'm
now
concerned
that,
in
your
presentation
that
you're
recommending
in
the
community
partner,
promotional
toolkit
you're
presenting
the
first
two,
how
does
this
affect
you,
which
are
the
two
first
two
slides
there's?
Those
scenarios
are
presented
as
either
or
choices
to
be
made
one
the
current
arrangement
and
the
other,
giving
the
mayor
considerably
more
powers,
I'm
a
strong
proponent
for
an
approach
in
which
the
city
council,
the
city
manager
and
the
mayor
all
work
together
to
come
to
the
best
solutions
to
problems
raised
by
the
community.
L
Q
R
Q
I
got
an
email
from
lawrence-
I
don't
know
a
month
or
so
ago
asking
if
we
wanted
to
be
one
of
the
cbo's,
and
I
told
him
I
didn't
that
we
can.
We
didn't
need
to
get
paid
for
this,
we're
doing
it
anyway,
and
I
asked
him.
Q
For
an
update
on
who
they
had
been
talking
to
because
I
could
help
them
make
sure
that
they
got
the
people
they
needed
to
get
to
that,
I
got
a
response
from
him,
but
that
particular
part
of
my
very
short
email
was
not
addressed
at
all,
and
I
take
a
lot
of
issue
with
this.
I'm
doing
the
best.
I
can
attitude
and
it's
not
good
enough.
M
Q
Your
comment
about
we're
doing
what
we
can
with
the
relationships.
We
have
really
gets
at
to
why
some
of
us
said
this
was
not
a
good
idea
that
it
was
wrong
of
the
city
to
direct
this
part
of
the
contract,
to
civic
makers
and
we're
reaping
everything
that
we
said
would
happen,
because
civic
makers
was
not
the
right
entity
to
do
this
work
and
I'm
wondering
what's
happening
with
those
dollars,
and
I
appreciate
some
of
the
sentiments
that
were
raised
by
commissioner
calendar
and
and
the
chair
about.
Q
A
P
Evening,
commissioners,
sorry
there's
an
echo
hold
on.
P
Okay,
so
I
subscribed
to
every
new
newsletter
and
I'm
sorry
are
you
hearing
an
echo.
P
Okay,
thank
you.
So
I
subscribe
to
every
news
newsletter
and
every
council
member,
and
only
shabby
jones,
sent
something
out
a
list
of
the
contacts
that
includes
my
email,
which
was
included
in
the
work
plan
and
some
other
commissioner
documents,
and
I
was
not
contacted.
I
didn't
really
receive
any
information
about
the
public
hearing
happening
and
I
know
that
you
know
civic
makers
hold
almost.
P
The
city
clerk's
office,
I
think,
is
doing
a
great
job
and
they
tend
to
get
scapegoated
when
it
comes
to
process
and
it
is
historically
underfunded
and
they
are
the
catch
up
for
administration,
outreach
record
keeping
attending
all
brown
active
bodies,
communications
and
their
funding
is
abysmal
and
also
you
know,
this
is
an
opportunity
to
write
more
protections
for
the
city
clerk's
office
in
the
charter.
Additionally,
considering
that
this
process
has
been
so
poor,
I
really
feel
that
this
commission
should
study
and
make
this
work
permanent
and
intervals
of
two
to
four
years.
P
As
a
reminder,
you
know
this
charter
was
written
in
1965
during
the
civil
rights
movement
and
a
lot
has
and
a
lot
has
not
changed,
and
the
charter
needs
to
be
updated
at
a
much
more
regular
interval
to
keep
up
with
the
pace
of
all
the
most
pressing
issues
with
our
communities
and
also.
I
would
like
to
ask
commissioners
to
again
be
vigilant
about
making
sure
that
we
take
public
comment.
E
L
Yeah,
sorry,
sorry
about
that.
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
okay,
okay,
so
on
the
outreach
and
the
cbo's
in
the
city
of
san
jose,
you
want
to
get
to
the
neighborhood
associations.
It's
done
with
your
time
with
the
city
council
offices.
L
All
it
takes
is
a
single
email
to
the
neighborhood
leadership
commission
nlc
and
what
they
do.
They
still
reps
from
each
council
and
they
meet
every
month
and
the
certainly
read
the
emails
and
then
what
they
do
is
each
nlc
for
each
district.
Just
basically
sends
your
email
straight
down
to
all
the
neighborhood
associations
of
the
district.
L
L
With
regards
to
the
question
about
public
attendance,
I
did
email
you
last
week
about
the
final
question
about
you
know:
adult
committees
and
the
brown
act,
I'm
not
seeing
it
out
there.
I
don't
know
whether
you
see
any
email.
I
certainly
haven't
seen
the
response.
Last
command.
I'd
like
to
make
is
that
the
mayor
decided
to
have
his.
L
I
guess
public
hearing
on
what
the
residents
of
san
jose
want
to
see
in
the
city
manager
at
the
exact
same
time
as
you
were,
having
the
public
hearing
at
6
pm
for
the
charity
commission,
and
I
think
that
race
doesn't
have
matters
and
if
we
could
address
this
in
the
future,
that'd
be
most
appreciated.
Thank.
B
You
thank
you
and
roland.
I
wanted
to
make
sure
you
knew
that
the
commission
did
receive
your
letter.
It
is
in
the
first
item
of
consent
and
the
letters
received
and
was
received
by
the
commission.
We
will
talk
about
the
content
of
that
letter
in
a
minute
when
we
get
to
the
process
from
the
city.
Attorney
can
speak
to
it
next
speaker.
E
E
E
Color
five
one:
five:
two:
a
crease
black
sorry,
please
press
star.
Six
to.
E
E
R
Okay,
I
I
I
want
to
say
that
you
know
I
disagree
with
roland.
You
know
I
I
agree
with
him
that
you
have
to
go
to
the
neighborhood
commissions,
the
neighborhood,
nothing,
the
neighborhood
associations,
because
we
don't
get
anything
from
them
from
the
city,
especially
in
district.
Five
carrasco
has
done
nothing
out
here.
Elena
did
a
very
good
job
talking
about
the
city
clerk's
office.
R
I
can't
agree
more
and
my
again,
my
only
comment
is
you
need
to
come
to
the
neighborhood
associations
so
that
you
can
hear
the
voice
of
the
community.
You
can't
go
anywhere
else.
That's
that's
my
comment.
Thank
you.
N
E
D
Hi,
my
name
is
juan
estrada
and
I
appreciate
that
commissioners
and
community
members
are
advocating
for
outreach.
I
would
suggest
not
limiting
outreach
efforts
to
a
certain
number
of
organizations.
I
appreciate
the
suggestions
of
adding
additional
community-based
organizations
and
the
neighborhood
commission.
I
also
agree
that
adding
neighborhood
associations
is
good.
D
I
agree
that
grassroots
is
definitely
wonderful
to
add
and
so
the
more
the
merrier.
I
hope
that
others
on
this
caller,
as
inspired
as
I
am
right
now,
actually
to
help
with
outreach
and
so
I'll
be
reaching
out
to
see
how
I
can
help
do
that.
I
encourage
the
commissioners
themselves
who
it
sounds
like
10
are
directly
connected
to
a
council
office
because
they
were
nominated
to
aid
in
this.
I'm
sure
that
they
are
I'm
just
voicing.
D
You
know
it's
already
happening,
and
so
again
I
just
appreciate
that
there
is
an
effort
at
outreach
for
a
process
that
only
takes
place
once
in
a
generation
I'm
outside.
So
if
you
hear
an
alarm,
that's
not
mine.
I
think
I
will
be
reaching
out
and
I
appreciate
being
able
to
comment.
G
Hi,
thank
you
blair,
beekman
here.
Thank
you
for
the
words
of
the
previous
speaker,
juan
esrada.
I
I
from
from
juan's
words
and
from
the
words
of
alina,
I
think
her
name
is.
We
spoke
a
little
while
ago.
There
seems
to
be
an
issue
that
you
know
there
wasn't
notification
for
this
for
this
public
hearing,
and
this
happened
a
lot
this
month
with
issues,
and
I
think
it
can
possibly
go
back
to
the
vta
events
of
last
may
of
the
end
of
last
may.
G
You
know
I
work
with
the
issues
of
a
better
open
public
policy
and
accountability
with
technology,
and
it's
specifically
meant
to
work
towards
what
I
didn't
quite
mention
earlier.
It's
ideas
of
to
address
peace
and
not
war
and,
more
importantly,
how
it's
more
regular
dialogue
for
community
how
to
from
that
address
ideas
of
sustainability,
really
good
sustainability
based
on
open
democracy
and
and
the
like
and
good
communication.
G
It's
meant
if
we
have,
if
we're,
if
our
really
good
practices
are
in
place
when
the
ideas
of
war
come
up
or
natural
disaster
events
or
events
like
like
what
happens
with
vta
shooting
open
public
policy.
Ideas
are
meant
for
ourselves
to
be
much
better
organized.
G
I
think
I
hope
we're
at
a
time
since
the
era
of
9
11,
which
I
think
we
took
a
big
nose
dive
in
accountability
and
civil
rights
ideas,
civil
protection
ideas,
we're
learning
how
to
come
out
of
that,
and
and
if
we
practice
our
good
practices
like
what's
being
asked
tonight,
why
didn't
people
get
better
notifications?
G
B
H
Oh
yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
This
is
about
you.
I
represent
people,
the
ceo,
that
working
with
the
commission-
and
I
would
like
to
thank
you,
the
commission,
for
reaching
out
to
the
communities
as
I
am
on
the
vietnamese,
the
vivo,
the
vietnamese
voluntary
foundation.
We
are
one
of
the
aapi
ceo
and
certainly
I
would
like
to
see
more
ceo
from
the
aapi
to
to
be
outreach.
H
H
H
E
B
All
right,
thank
you
very
much,
members
of
the
public.
I
want
to
summarize
actions
that
I
think
I've
heard
that
I
want
to
make
sure
that
if
I've
missed
anything,
I'd
ask
commissioners
to
add
to
this
list,
but
one
is
that
we
need
to
develop
a
process
for
subcommittees
to
out
get
outreach
to
cbo's
for
specific
input
to
the
subcommittee.
B
B
So
I
appreciate
the
public's
reminder
to
not
use
acronyms
and
I'll
try
to
to
do
that
as
well,
so
to
continue
to
outreach
to
our
community-based
organizations
that
there
is
a
city,
attorney's
opinion
on
facebook
and
getting
information
or
survey
data
or
input
data
from
facebook
and
so
I'll
work
with
the
city
attorney
to
figure.
B
What's
that
process
out
to
make
sure
that
that's
included
in
our
response
back
to
the
commission,
we
got
very
specific
feedback
on
our
outreach
materials,
which
is
super
helpful
in
terms
of
clarifying
zoom
links,
dates
separating
them
out
making
them
more
separate.
So
they're
more
apparent,
as
well
as
clarity
around
the
subcommittee
deadlines
in
and
the
drought.
Removing
of
the
draft
language
in
terms
of
the
template
to
make
it
again
more
clear
and
easy
to
to
for
the
public
to
understand
what
exactly
they're
reading,
also
to
email
directly
the
neighborhood
associations.
B
I
believe
they
are
already,
but
I
will
double
check
on
that
as
well
as
what
is
a
specific
email
list
that
we're
sending
out
in
terms
of
outreach.
So
what
is
that?
The
total
outreach
plan
in
terms
of
what
the
city
the
consultants
are
doing
and
then
what
other
means
that
we
may
think
are
important
to
be
able
to
do?
I
do
want
to
say
that
there
was
a
speaker
who
said
that
only
vice
mayor
jones
was
the
only
one
that
sent
something
out.
I
did
receive
something
from
council.
B
Member
carrasco
did
her
social
media
post
on
this.
I
did
see
that
so
I'm
not
sure
you
know
who
else
necessarily
everyone's
following
in
their
social
media,
but
I
know
do
know
that
I'm
pretty
sure
council
member
mayhem
also
had
mentioned
it.
So
a
number
of
them
may
have
sent
it
out
not
through
their
email
list
but
or
their
newsletter
yet,
but
they
may
have
done
it
through
their
social
media,
which
is
also
a
very
effective
tool.
So
I'd
want
to
make
sure
that
council
members
who
are
doing
that
are
appreciated.
B
There
was
a
conflict
tonight
with
the
mayor's
public
hearing
on
the
city
manager
position.
I'm
sure
there's
a
timely
issue
for
that,
but
definitely
a
conflict
that
that
affected
our
turnout.
Perhaps
and
then
the
silicon
valley,
council,
nonprofits,
put
out
a
number
a
a
pretty
comprehensive
piece
with
a
lot
of
the
recommendations
that
went
out
to
all
members
of
the
silicon
valley
council
of
nonprofits,
which
is
a
large
contingency
of
nonprofits
here
in
our
community.
So
those
are
some
of
the
things
I
heard.
B
Is
there
anything
else
that
commissioners
want
me
to
take
note
of
that
wasn't
heard
and
including
I
have
notes
on
all
the
public
comments
as
well
as
I
always
do,
and
we'll
try
to
figure
out
ways
to
incorporate
those
into
our
work.
Is
there
anything
else
that
I
missed?
That
commissioners
feel
is
important
for
me
to
take
note
of
for
action
this
week.
B
K
Thank
you
for
that
list,
mr
chair,
and
I
think
you
mentioned
this
piece
about
getting
the
the
sort
of
specific
email
list
and
total
outreach
plan,
and
I
think
that's
an
intermediate
step
to
sort
of
the
points
that,
for
example,
commissioner
calendar
was
raising
about
you
know
we,
I
think,
there's
a
general
sentiment
of
wanting
to
do
better
and
so
starting
with
the
baseline
of
understanding.
What
what's
happening
and
not
happening
so
far,
is
going
to
set
us
up
to
move
quickly
to
do
better.
B
Yeah
so,
commissioner
matsumura
thank
you
for
I
I
agree,
and
that
is
a
sentiment.
I
was
listening
kind
of
the
specifics
that
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I
follow
up
on,
but
definitely
to
commissioner
calendar's
point.
We
have
to
figure
out.
How
does
this?
How
do
we
get
the
our
process
to
be
as
effective
as
possible
with
this
community-based
organization
and
the
general
public's
input
to
our
process?
B
So
these
were
just
some
of
the
specific
tax
that
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
respond
and
we'll
send
an
email
back
out
to
all
commissioners
to
be
able
to
at
least
give
you.
This
data
is
definitely
an
interim
piece
as
well
as
the
cbo's,
once
we
finalize
mou's
and
what
their
plans
are
a
comprehensive
ability
to
articulate
the
whole
plan
and
will
also
come
to
you
as
soon
as
it
can.
B
I
think
there
was
also
a
question
that
came
up
before
and
I'll
make
sure
this
gets
added
to
the
email
around
any
organizations
that
talk
to
us
that
did
not
were
not
included
in
what
we
chose
for
the
funding
side,
but
still
wanted
to
work
with
us,
so
I'll
make
sure
that
that
list
is
also
included
so
that
you
do
know
the
other
organizations
that
materials
are
going
out
to,
but
aren't
necessarily
getting
an
mou.
A
very
specific
among
you,
okay,
mr
signal.
S
Apologies
in
order
to
cut
down
on
our
use
of
the
city
clerk,
the
staff
of
the
city
clerk
is
the
mayor
willing
to
send
the
subcommittees
the
master
list
of
community-based
organizations
so
that
the
volunteer
commissioners
can
do
the
outreach
ourselves.
If
chair,
you
could
kindly
address
that
in
your
messaging
as
well.
Some
of
us
would
be
happy
to
do
that
and
then.
My
final
question
is
in
terms
of
our
subcommittees.
I
had
asked
civic
makers
to
set
up
a
lust
of
three
speakers
on
our
specific
topics.
B
Your
signal,
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
hold
that
for
one
second
we're
about
to
go
into
that
item.
Yes,
sir.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
your
patience
with
me
tonight.
Is
there
anything
else
that
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I
didn't
miss,
so
I
can
respond
to
all
these
pieces
working
with
the
consultant
to
get
these
pieces,
at
least
as
as
commissioner
matsumura
suggested.
It's
just
the
interim
piece
we're
just
continuing
to
move
the
ball
forward.
O
B
Yes,
so
the
city
attorney's
office
gave
us
a
opinion
that
I
can
call
for
public
input
before
voting
on
an
item
so
right
now
the
practice
has
been
that
we
ask
for
public
input
about
the
commission's
action,
and
so
with
that
with,
if,
if
without
objection
from
the
commission,
I'm
happy
to
move
for
the
comment
to
in
front
of
your
vote,
but
just
recognizing
that
after
the
vote,
we
won't
be
going
back
to
public
comment
again,
but
that
we
do
public
comment
before
actions
are
taken.
B
I'm
happy
to
do
that
unless
I
have
objections
from
commissioners
and
if
we
do
we'd
have
to
vote
on
it,
but
I
I'm
happy
to
do
that
public
comments.
Important
in
whatever
version
you
think
would
be
best
to
inform
you
if
folks
are
in
agreement.
We'll
move
public
comment
to
before
motion
is
taken
and
actioned
or
taken
by
the
commission.
B
I'm
seeing
agreement,
I'm
looking
on
both
pages
and
I'm
not
seeing
any
objection
all
right
and
if
I
ever
mess
it
up,
please
make
sure
that
you
stop
me.
I
really,
I
don't
appreciate
it.
B
I'm
re
I'm
working
off
two
sets
of
agendas,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that,
following
through
our
next
item,
is
the
commission
discussion
of
revising
our
topics
and
finalizing
our
subcommittee
assignments,
and
I
want
to
also
add
into
this
discussion
questionnaires
that
mr
seagal
and
others
have
just
started
to
ask
around
our
process
in
terms
of
the
resources
the
city
clerk
will
address
them
very
specifically,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
after
we
figure
figure
out
what
are
the
topics
and
what
our
assignments,
what
are
the
working
rules
around
resources
available
to
subcommittees
and
what
processes
the
city
clerk
wants
us
to
follow
so
that
we
have
clarity
across
the
board.
A
Mr
chair,
I
was
wondering
if
we
can
table
the
discussion
on
bylaws
for
until
our
next
commissioner
meeting,
because
commissioner,
tran
and
fuentes
are
not
present
and
they
were
part
of
the
group
that
was
supposed
to
work
when
the
bylaws
with
me
and
attorney
vanni.
A
H
B
Thank
you
pleasure,
linda.
Thank
you.
It's
a
motion
table,
so
we
don't
even
have
to
take
a
discussion
on
it.
If
you
want
to
take
the
role
on
that
to
see
if
we
will
table
item
the
item
on
new
business,
the
discussion
of
bylaws
and
the
overview.
A
I'll
take
the
role
we'll
begin
with
barbara
marshman.
E
R
L
A
K
A
G
B
All
right
motion
pass,
and
so
we
will
table
item
on
the
bylaws.
Thank
you
vice
chair
johnson
and
now
we'll
go
back
to
the
item
on
discussion
of
revising
our
topics
and
finalizing
our
subcommittee
assignments.
I'm
going
to
ask
the
consultant
to
talk
us
through
the
public
hearing
and
make
his
suggestions
for
how
we
move
forward
lawrence.
F
All
right,
thank
you,
so
I'm
going
to
share
a
summary
that
I
put
together
on
a
second.
F
Go
all
right,
so
these
this
is
a
summary
of
the
comments
we
heard
as
far
as
additional
atomic
topics
to
add.
F
If
there's
commissioners
that
want
to
work
on
them,
so
we
really
want
to
get
an
affirmative
from
from
you
all
that
there's
an
interest
in
taking
up
these
topics,
and
then
we
can
talk
about
whether
it
makes
sense
to
do
within
the
existing
subcommittee
structure
or
if
we
need
to
make
any
changes
there
and
then
finally,
we'll
ask
you
if
you
would
like
to
stay
in
your
subcommittee
or,
if
you'd
like
to
move,
and
we
will
then
update
this
list
together
on
this
call
and
kind
of
have
our
reconfigured
subcommittees
to
move
forward,
and
hopefully
everyone
is
is,
has
an
opportunity
to,
and
I
guess
with
the
folks
that
are
not
here.
F
You
know
I
can
reach
out
to
them
separately
to
make
sure
that
their
their
interests
are
considered
as
far
as
switching
subcommittees.
But
you
know
what
the
we
do
want
to
do
this
process
once
as
far
as
moving
around
subcommittees
because
of
some
of
the
considerations.
We've
talked
to
the
city
attorney
benny
at
length
about
as
far
as
brown
act,
so
starting
with
governance
structure
there.
F
This
is
more
of
a
a
question,
but
I
think
it
could
be
kind
of
considered,
maybe
in
a
minority
capacity
for
for
some
of
the
topics
here,
but
what
a
strong
mayor,
reduced
representation
and
there's
also
a
comment
about
what
are
the
options
to
get
best
of
both
models,
sort
of
real
representation
while
being
responsive
to
the
needs
of
the
community
and
then
there's
a
timeline
for
regular
review
of
the
charter,
which
was
already
a
topic
for
for
that
subcommittee.
F
So
if
things
are
already
a
topic
of
the
subcommittee,
I've
italicized
it
so
again.
Let's
just
go
through
these
topics
and
at
least
for
the
sort
of
the
these
three
subcommittees
see
if,
if
they
fit
within
the
subcommittees
I'll
ask
the
subcommittee
lead
first
to
to
see
if
they
think
that
this
would
be
they'd,
be
able
to
take
it
up,
but
welcome
comments
from
any
anyone
at
the
on
the
governance
structure
subcommittee.
F
How
do
folks
on
the
governance
structure
subcommittee
feels?
Can
this
be
worked
into
your
topic
list
lawrence?
Can
you
enlarge
that.
F
So
you
know
we're
talking
about
sort
of
consequences
of
the
strong
mayor
as
far
as
reducing
representation
and
then
kind
of
what's
the
balance
between
these
models
to
ensure
like
real
representation
while
being
responsive
to
needs.
These
aren't
necessarily
new
topics,
but
I
think
we
could
potentially
consider
these
as
in
the
unintended
consequences
or
or
within
some
of
the
specific
questions
or
recommendations
by
sheriff
johnson.
A
F
Great.
Thank
you
any
other
comments
on
this
on
these
topics
before
we
move
on,
commissioner,
is
that.
H
Yeah,
I
I
think
that
these
probably
fall
in
under
the
question
you
asked
in
the
recommendations
of
you,
know:
who's
benefited
and
who's
burdened.
You
know,
and
I
think
that
would
fit
right
in
there.
You
know
if
we're
going
to
do
this.
What's
the
what's
the
downside
you
know
one
is:
does
it
reduce
representation?
So
I
think
I
think
it's
absolutely
false
within
our
bailly
way,.
F
Oh
sorry,
I
don't
I
am
when
I'm
sharing
my
screen
just
so
you
know
the
participant
list
changes.
So
let
me
pull
up
that
so
I
can
see
folks
that
have
hands
up
without
video,
or
at
least
the
video
I
can
see
commissioner
amador.
O
Yes-
and
I
know
that
something
that
was
mentioned
was
the
ethnic
ethics
commission-
would
that
be
going
into
governments.
F
The
the
accountability
and
inclusion
subcommittee
so
far
has
been
a
little
light
on
topics,
so
I
do
think
to
kind
of
like
do
a
little
sort
of
preview
here
there
were
a
number
of
topics
around
accountability,
at
least
how
I
would
define
accountability
and
inclusion
community
as
adding
a
section
about
community
engagement
staff
resources
to
ensure
translation,
civics
education,
continuing
virtualized
meetings.
F
These
seem
to
fall
into
me
under
inclusion
and
then
code
enforcement,
accountability,
ethics,
commission
and
charter,
slow
speed
of
permitting
when
the
city
impacts,
local
people
and
then
sort
of
some
nuance
to
sort
of
how
commissions
work
at
the
city
that
all
feels
like
it's
an
accountability,
but
you
know
I
would
entertain
other
ideas
about
how
to
portion
out
some
of
these
topics.
O
No,
since
I'm
I
mean
I'm
not
in
the
accountability
and
inclusion,
I
think
when
we
get
there,
I
would
like
to
hear
from
those
in
that
subcommittee
and
what
they
their
thoughts
on
and
would
wrap
around
again.
Thank
you.
F
Okay,
great
well,
that's
good.
At
least
I
have
a
little
preview
of
how
this
all
could
play
out
at
least
how
I've
organized
it
at
first
policing
in
municipal
law.
The
the
new
topic
that
came
up
was
an
elected,
independent
police
auditor
with
subpoena
powers,
and
we
already
had
an
elected
police
chief.
So
folks
in
that
subcommittee,
was
there
yeah
we're.
S
We're
also
willing
to
add
it's
the
first
time,
I'm
hearing
about
it,
but
I'm
going
to
pick
it
up,
because
the
public
wants
us
to
the
bill
of
rights
for
civil,
ed,
civic
education
and
public
education.
I'm
happy
to
pick
that
up.
Yeah.
F
The
bill
of
rights
is
already
assigned
to.
Let
me
see
the
accountability.
Oh,
that's
the
wrong.
The
bill
of
rights
is
in
the
doo.
F
I
believe
it's
yeah.
The
accountability
and
inclusion
committee
currently
has
considered
drafting
incorporating
a
charter
bill
of
rights.
So
let's.
S
F
Let's,
let's
go
committee
by
committee
because
I
have
all
these
here.
F
Magnolia
I
appreciate
that
I
have
so
you
want
to
jump
over
to
voting
and
elections
first,
so
that
we
can
talk
about
this
stuff
before
we
talk
about
policing,
because
voting
is
already
being
being
so
voting
elections,
add
more
city,
council
districts,
ranked
choice,
voting
and
mayoral
election
align
with
presidential
ballot
are
already
on
the
docket
for
that
subcommittee.
The
new
topic
that
came
up
was
electoral
reform
to
make
elections
much
more
fair
and
transparent,
and
as
wide
and
broad
as
it
possibly
can
be.
E
Up,
if
you
don't
mind
for
leader,
hui
tran
he's
away-
and
he
asked
me
to
sit
in
for
him
and
lee
as
lead-
these
are
topics
that
yes,
we've
found
ourselves
drifting
into
these
top.
These
subtopics,
that
are,
you,
know,
informing
our
research,
so
I
would
say
that
historic,
electoral
reform
to
make
the
elections
more
fair
and
transparent
is
being
we're
actually
looking
at
that
already
in
in
both
a
national
and
local
sense.
So
I
don't
it.
I
don't
know
if
anybody
else
on
this
subcommittee,
since
I'm
not
lead.
F
E
F
We
good
garrick.
Do
you
want
to
speak
to
that.
D
Yeah
thanks,
commissioner
motley
for
that
just
a
comment
and
then
and
actually
a
question
as
well,
so
we
have
also
been
discussing
in
addition
to
those
an
issue
that
I
believe
a
member
of
the
council
had
asked
us
to
work
on,
and
that
is
or
at
least
to
to
to
look
into,
and
that
is
moving
the
timing
of
odd
numbered
districts
and
even
number
districts
for
for
city
council,
and
so
we
have
begun
work
on
that.
D
My
question,
though,
is
related
to
the.
I
don't
know
if
lawrence,
if
you
could
scroll
back
yeah
down
to
the
list
there
for
a
moment,
a
question
about
adding
more
city
council
districts
is
also
related
to
this
other
question
I
just
mentioned
that
is
you
know
about
moving
the
timing
of
district
elections,
and
that
is
there's
another
commission
that
is
working
on
redistricting.
A
D
And
it
seems
to
me
that
this
work
is
directly
tied
to
that
work,
and
neither
commission
knows
what
each
other
is,
what
the
results
are
going
to
be.
So
this
to
me
seems
like
a
really
important
issue,
but
the
charter
reform
commission
is
not
going
to
have
full
information
in
which
to
make
those,
I
think,
recommendations.
D
So
I'm
I
guess
maybe
this
would
be
a
question
for
the
city
attorney's
office
as
well.
The
redistricting
process
happens
after
every
census.
D
If
there
were
changes
made
to
city
council
districts
or
that
supersede
existing
policy,
I'm
assuming
it
would
that
mean
that
this
could
be
redone
sometime
in
the
next
within
the
next
10
years,
but
that's
just
an
open
question.
I
just
would
like
to
know
for
as
we
move
forward.
Thank
you.
F
F
J
So
you're
correct
that
the
current
redistricting
commission
is,
it
happens
after
every
census.
It's
set
forth
in
the
charter
and
they
have
to
redistrict
the
10
council
districts
based
on
the
results
of
the
census.
A
lot
of
it
would
depend
on
how
we
draft
the
amendment
to
the
charter,
but
you
could
establish
a
if
you
wanted
to
increase
council
districts.
You
could
do
that
and
you
could
either
wait
until
the
next
census
in
2030
2031
or
you
could
create
a
scenario
where
they
redistrict
in
the
middle
that
this
hap.
J
This
has
happened
in
a
number
of
cities
that
have
gone
from
at
large
representation
to
district
representation.
Santa
clara
is
the
one
that
stands
out
my
mind,
I
believe
sunnyvale
as
well,
where
they
did
mid-cycle
redistricting
and
they
would,
you
know,
use
the
data
that
they
have
available
to
them
to
redraw
the
lines
which
would
be
that
census.
J
B
F
Okay,
I'm
good
commissioner
matsumura.
I
know
you
had
your
hand
up.
Did
you
was
that
about
pleasing
munitional
law,
pleasing
municipal
law
or
were
there
some
questions
that
you
had
about
voting
in
elections
or
comments.
K
I've
got
photos
I'll,
try
to
keep
it
quick.
You
know
on
the
issue
of
of
districts,
it
really.
It
crosses
governance,
structure,
voting
elections
and
accountability.
Inclusion,
as
we
said,
you
know,
they're
they're
really
going
to
be
topics.
It
is
certainly
not
only
a
voting
elections
issue,
I'm
wondering
if
we
could
kind
of
take
it
in
the
three
committees
and
just
you
know,
from
the
sort
of
the
perspective
that
each
of
those
committees
has
because
we
have
the
opportunity
to
coordinate
through
full
commission
meetings.
K
I
think
we
need
to
be
weighing
it
from
each
of
those
perspectives,
or
perhaps
we
do
it
in
sequence,
but
but
I
I
think
we
probably
need
it
not
only
voting
elections
if
we're
going
to
give
it
a
full
treatment.
F
How
does
that
land?
For,
I
think,
that's
a
that's
a
good
suggestion
with
the
governance
structure
subcommittee,
if
I
share
johnson,
is
that
of
interest
to
you
all.
A
That
is
definitely
of
interest
for
me.
I
also
want.
F
Anyone
else
on
the
the
governance
structure
subcommittee
want
to
speak
to
potentially
taking
on
the
adding
more
city
council
districts
sort
of
in
parallel
to
the
voting
and
election.
J
Subcommittee
yeah,
I
mean
I,
I
try
to
wrap
my
head
around
what
the
exact
question
is,
but
it's
kind
of
a
if
or
like
a
like
a
like
a
thought.
Tree
type
thing
right.
So
if,
if
we
keep
everything
as
is,
there's
nothing
to
do,
but
we
should
look
into
the
possibility
of
changing
the
mayoral
structure,
which
would
necessitate
an
odd
number
council.
J
F
Okay,
yeah,
I
then
commit
to
commissioner's
monsomers
point.
I
think
each
subcommittee
would
bring
a
different
dimension
to
to
the
potential
recommendation
and
I
think,
if
there's
a
recommendation,
that
is,
we
have
deadlines
for
each
of
these
subcommittees
to
to
present
recommendations
that
will
be
shared
at
public
hearings.
F
I
I
was
wondering
when
we
start
to
look
at
costs
which
would
cover
many
of
these.
I'm
not
sure
what
adding
council
districts
would
do
to
cause.
Certainly
you
know
if
there
are
folks
who
would
like
to
elect
a
police
chief,
an
ipa.
There
was
a
suggestion
of
dis
of
city
attorney.
I
Unless
I
hear
some,
you
know
outcry
from
the
public.
I
I'm
not
sure
that's
something
we
should
spend
time
on
at
this
point,
because
I
haven't
heard
serious
complaints
about
that
compared
to
the
concerns
of
other
things,
but
numbers
of
elections
and
the
amount
of
money
going
into
elections
and
the
cost
to
the
city
of
running
additional
major
city-wide
elections
is
something
that
I
think
we
should
look
at
at
some
point.
It's
it's
one
of
elizabeth
monley's
unintended
consequences.
You
know
sure,
let's
select
every
one
of
it
oops
it's
a
little
expensive.
I
F
Yeah,
no,
I
think
it's
a
great
question
and
I
mean
I
think,
that's
probably
worthwhile,
considering
in
the
recommendations
template
look
at
the
questions
right
now.
F
We
don't
have
an
explicit
question
about
cost
implications.
We
have
questions
about
arguments
against
this
proposal
who
might
benefit
from
or
be
burdened
by
this
change.
I
mean
it's
possible
that
the
city
might
be
burdened
by
this
change
with
additional
costs.
That's
the
place
you
could
put
it
in.
F
I
also
want
to
mention
that
you
know
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
research
requests
and
I
realize
that
that's
there's,
like
some
research
requests
that
will
come
up
that
will
acquire
some
quantitative
financial
analysis
around
this,
and-
and
so
you
know
we're
going
to
talk
about
that
process
for
submitting
those
requests
and
and
and
doing
that
research,
but
I
think
you
know
for
for
things
that
that
I
don't
know
I
it's
a
question
for
the
commission,
about
the
recommendations
and
and
the
final
reports
to
what
extent
they
you
want
to
have
financial
impacts
for
for
all
the
recommendations,
but
that's
certainly
something
we
should
start
thinking
about
sooner
rather
than
later.
F
O
Yes,
thank
you
and
you
know
to
go
back
to
the
last.
The
last
comment:
I
think
it's
yes
indeed,
but
the
money
is
always
there
we'll
find
a
way
right
if
there's
a
need
we'll
find
a
way,
and
so,
especially
when
communities
of
color
districts
like
district
five,
multiple
family
lives
in
one
house
and
how
many
households
do
we
have
then,
and
how
many
are
being
unrepresented
to
just
one
district.
O
But
with
that,
I
also
want
to
mention
that
the
policing
and
municipal
law
ensuring
that
we
have
as
well
a
community
safety
commission
charger.
So
community
safety
I
heard,
and
if
you
can
put
it
in
there
sure
and
as
well
as
since
we're
talking
about
municipal
law.
O
I
would
also
one
I
also
heard
about
a
democratically
elected
on
the
commission
chairs
to
be
democratically
elected
is
something
that
is
not
happening
now
as
we're
looking
into
the
municipal
law
and
provide
training
for
board
and
commission
members
and
residents
who
are
interested
in
applying
and
including
adding
racial
equity.
And
I
know
that
you
have
it
under
accountability
and
inclusion,
but
definitely
would
like
it
to
be
as
well
under
municipal
law.
F
Other
thoughts
from
that
subcommittee
on
that
adding
the
commission
sort
of
so
I
would
love
to
just
capture
the
specifics,
commissioner.
Amador
that
you
mentioned
it
was
board
board
education
or
board.
O
Yes,
I
think
it's
like
training
on
prospective
war
and
commission
members
and
residents,
so
you
know,
even
coming
to
even
applying
to
here
was
really
hard.
O
You
know,
being
an
immigrant
and
not
being
a
being
a
first
generation
really
and
not
having
that
knowledge
is
really
hard,
and
so
having
that
perspective
and
having
that
that
my
city
can
offer
would
be
amazing,
it
would
get
us
in
that
engagement
that
we
want
from
our
communities,
and
I
think
this
can
also
be
led
by
you
know
the
awesome
office
that
we
have
of
racial
equity
as
a
partnership.
F
O
I
O
Yeah
and
I
think
we
can
investigate
more
into
what
our
community
is
saying-
that's
something
that
I
heard
them
say
tonight,
and
so
you
know
again
it's
it's
not
just
written
in
stone
right,
it's
something
that
we
can
hear
more
from
our
community
of
what
they
would
like
more,
but
would
definitely
like
to
keep
it
as
a
topic
to
explore
more
into
okay.
A
F
Anything
else
on
so
we're
kind
of
split
between
voting
and
elections,
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
voting
in
elections
and
just
see
if
we
can
wrap
that
one
up.
Does
this
additional
topic
sound
good
to
folks
anything
else
on
voting
elections?
I
guess
is
my
question
right
now.
E
F
Okay,
commissioner
siegel,
I
saw
your
hand,
was
that
about
voting
in
elections,
or
was
that
about
policing?
Okay,
commissioner
posadas
was
that
about
voting
in
elections
or
about
policing,
okay,
I'll
come
back
to
you.
As
commissioner
percival.
I
saw
your
hand
up
too.
D
Yeah,
I
was
just
kind
of
just
just
emphasize
that
that
that
point,
the
electoral
reform,
more
fair
and
transparent
as
wide
and
broad
as
possible.
I
think
that
directly
ties
into
the
the
mayoral
election,
the
lining
of
the
presidential
ballot.
All
of
that
goes
into
that
conversation,
so
those
will
be
front
and
center
in
those
kinds
of
conversations.
F
Okay,
fantastic,
okay:
let's
go
back
to
policing
in
municipal
law.
I
had
commissioners
siegel,
posadas
and
calendar
and
then
vice
chair
johnson.
Commissioner
siegel
did
you.
S
F
A
F
B
Right
I
heard
that
in
my
notes,
I'm
reading
my
notes
back
that
was
specifically
in
regards
to
policing.
E
B
And
so
that's
where
I
think
that
we
were
just
trying
to
see
okay,
because
it
was
specifically
about
our
intelligence,
artificial
intelligence
used
by
police
and
as
a
policing
method
that
we
should
be
aware
of.
So
that
is
why
it
goes
under
policing
and
that's
what
they
were
talking
about,
not
ai
in
general,.
S
Right
and
so
next,
my
question
is:
is
anyone
picking
up
ethics
commission
as
an
independent
body?
There
was
a
public
speaker
that
brought
that
up.
F
F
A
C
F
F
Apologies
to
clarify
these
are
topics
that
came
up
tonight
and
yeah,
and
so
the
the
ones
that
are
not
italicized
would
be
new
topics
that
are
added.
The
ones
that
are
italicized
are
topics
that
came
up
that
are
already
on
the
the
list
of
topics
for
a
given
subcommittee.
F
So
so
the
the
topic
of
appointment
of
a
citizens,
review
of
commission
for
police
misconduct,
the
police
contact
that
would
stay
there
and
we're
talking
about
adding
these
new.
Adding
these
new
topics
to
to
this
list
got
it
thanks.
F
Clarification
push
your
calendar
all.
C
Right,
thank
you
for
that
clarification
because
that
may
go
to
my
first
question.
My
first
question
was
in
the
very
first
time,
probably
about
a
month
and
a
half
ago
we
heard
from
people
about
looking
at
green
lighting
and
its
impact
on
affordable
housing.
Is
that
which
committee
is
that
under.
F
C
C
But
if
you
look
at
what
our
community's
relationship
is
with
the
police
department,
it's
largely
fractured
because
a
lack
and
a
trust
of
accountability
as
being
a
force-
and
you
even
heard
that
from
someone
that
talked
earlier,
where
they're
talking
about
how
how
the
police
were
trying
to
tone
down
the
arguments,
but
this
in
or
tone
down
what
was
happening
when
they
were
having
a
protest.
C
But
yet
there
was
no
accountability.
So
so,
as
I'm
sitting
here
and
I'm
I'm
gonna
look
to
the
commissioners
for
this,
but
the
more
and
more
as
I'm
looking
at
how
these
lists
are
growing.
I
believe
that
policing,
accountability,
inclusion
should
be
included,
there's
other
areas
under
accountability,
inclusion
when
you
talk
about
ethics
and
the
commission,
I'll
need
you
to
scroll
down
the
ethics
commission
and
the
charter
that
should
probably
be
going
to
governance.
C
A
lot
of
these
other
things
are
just
kind
of
it
feels
like
it's
for
force-feeding
things
in
order
to
make
accountability
and
inclusion
work
the
bill
of
rights.
Now,
when
we
hear
when
I
hear
bill
of
rights,
often
it's
tied
into
the
police
officer's
bill
of
rights,
I'm
not
even
sure
what
a
charter
bill
of
rights
is.
Was
that
explained
as
a
charter
bill
of
rights?
Was
that
explained
as
the
police
officer's
bill
of
rights
and
how
he
addressed
policing.
B
Commissioner
calendar
that
came
from
the
city
of
detroit,
who
has
a
city
charter
bill
of
rights,
is
not
just
addressing
policing,
although
that's
part
of
their
bill
of
rights.
It's
a
much
broader
set
of
of
rights
in
the
city
of
detroit.
C
Okay,
so
so,
as
I
continue
to
see
so
when
we're
talking
about
continued
virtualized
meetings-
I
don't
know-
maybe
that
is
account
of
any
inclusion,
but
it
should
probably
be
part
of
policing
accountability.
Inclusion.
So
I'm
not,
mr
chairman,
I'm
not
ready
just
yet
to
make
a
motion,
but
I
just
want
to
as
we're
going
through
this.
C
I
want
folks
to
think
about
where
what
we're
doing
the
original
recommendation
was
those
three
committees
and
it
may
be
a
better
fit
in
terms
of
having
police,
policing,
accountability
and
inclusion,
the
governance
structure
and
then
the
voting
and
then
place
things
where
they
need
to
be.
But
what
I'm
talking
about
originally.
This
was
the
very
very
first
proposal.
I
don't
know
how,
many
months
ago
now
it
was
two
and
a
half
three
months
ago,
it's
all
kind
of
blurring
but
yeah
as
I'm
as
I'm
entering
into
this
discussion.
C
That
is
where
I'm
going
to
be
so
I'd.
Ask
for
the
other
commissioners.
Consider
this
because,
let's
not
just
force
feed
something
because
we
have
a
committee,
that's
there.
We
got
to
give
them
something
which
that's
the
committee
that
I'm
on
I'm
going
to
make
it
very
frank,
I'm
going
to
ask
to
move,
because
I
don't
want
to
be
on
a
commission
that
doesn't
have
the
ability
to
have
discussions
that
really
count
they're
going
to
make
change
in
this
community.
C
So
I'm
going
to
be
asking
to
move
and
I
think
we
should
be
combining
policing,
accountability
and
inclusion,
and
I
would
ask
the
other
commissioner
to
support
me
on
that
when
we
get
there.
But
as
we're
talking
more
and
more
about
this,
I
think
it's
as
you
talk
it's
making
the
point
of
where
things
should
go.
F
Great
I
mean
I
I
I
have
been
considering
that
as
well,
and
I
think
that
that
is
a
fine
solution
and
you
know
to
kind
of
short
circuit.
The
discussion.
Where
did
that
go
you
know
I.
I
am
happy
to
to
sort
of
ask
commissioners
now
about
that.
I
would.
I
would
focus
on
well
welcome
thoughts
for
everybody,
but
certainly
accountability,
inclusion
and
policing
in
municipal
law.
You
know
thoughts
about
merging
these
two
subcommittees
to
be
policing,
accountability
and
inclusion.
F
I
mean
they
named
tbd
thoughts
from
commissioners
on
that
thumbs.
Up
from
commissioner
siegel,
that's
great.
S
Yes,
it
was
originally
that
way,
so
it
would
be
policing
municipal
law,
accountability
and
inclusion,
and
I
think
we
all
thought
that
that
was
what
we
were
joining
so
and
in
policing.
We
actually
don't
have
enough
to
do.
We
don't
have
that
many
topics
compared
to
the
other
subcommittees,
so
I
would
fully
support
merging
those
two
subcommittees
into
policing,
municipal
law,
accountability
and
inclusion.
F
Great
vice
chair
johnson,
you
have
your
hand
up.
F
Great
thank
you,
commissioner.
F
F
Great,
let's
see
other
christopher
posadas
your
hand
is
still
up.
Do
you
have
a
thoughts
on
this?
I'm
sorry,
I
forgot
to
put
it
out:
that's
okay!
You
want
to
you're,
okay,
fine,
commissioner
marshman.
I
I
think
it
makes
absolute
sense
to
do
that
if
we're
ending
up
with
too
many
folks
on
this
committee,
I
I
have
been
torn
all
along
about
coming
on
this
committee
and
coming
on
government
governance
structure,
because
in
my
concern
of
looping
everything
together,
I
I
think
a
lot
of
it
is
going
to
depend
on
on
what
that
committee
decides,
and
I
don't
know
where
they
are,
and
I
don't
know
what
kind
of
governance
structure
I
want
yet,
but
I
suspect
we
need
to
tweak
something
so
I'm
at
least
volunteering
to
go
over
there.
B
We'll
get
to
membership
next,
hang
on
one
second,
so
I'm
hearing
a
consensus
around
moving
into
three
committees
and
taking
this
list
of
items
from
the
public
and
making
sure
that
they
are
either
in
one
of
those
other
three
committees,
not
necessarily
everything
going
to
accountability
and
inclusion.
But
anything.
C
Mr
chairman,
I
wasn't
gonna
say
I
don't
think
everything
under
accountability.
Inclusion
belongs
there.
I
think
some
of
these
things
in
accountability.
Inclusion
belong
either
in
governance.
Some
may
be
long
and
voting,
but
some
of
you
belong
to
policing,
and
so
maybe
that's
something
that
we
kick
back
to
to
yourself.
The
vice
chair
and
lawrence
to
decide
where
they
go,
but
but
I
think
that
we
can
do
a
better
job
if
we
knock
it
into
three
and
then
put
things
where
they
should
right.
So.
B
F
What
was
just
talked
about
was
policing
municipal
law,
accountability
and
inclusion.
Correct.
B
Q
B
E
Yeah
the
I
only
wanted
to
say
the
ethics
commission,
because
it
deals
with
elections.
It's
it
would
not
be
inappropriate
to
add
it
to
your
voting
and
elections
subcommittee.
E
F
A
Sorry
I
had
technical
problems
there.
I
just
want
to
make
a
comment
that
we
had
talked
in
the
in
our
committee,
which
was
a
governance
structure
that
we're
not
necessarily
debating
these
topics
in
the
subcommittee,
we're
really
trying
to
prevent
prepare
materials.
So
we
can
bring
them
forward
to
the
full
commission
to
have
the
discussion.
So
I'm
not
sure
if
everybody
agrees
with
that
or
or
I
think
we
should
all
be
on
the
same
page
on
what.
B
C
Yes,
I
was
just
looking
at
the
account
of
the
inclusions
on
the
screen
and
when
we
talk
about
the
budgeting
for
the
city
clerk,
that's
probably
a
governance
issue,
again:
governance
and
budgeting.
The
continuance
of
the
virtualized
meeting,
that's
probably
governance,
and
even
more
so
it's
going
to
depend
on
right
now.
C
The
reason
why
we're
able
to
have
these
is
because
we
honor
the
executive
who
basically
have
an
executive
order
of
the
governor
due
to
the
covet
emergency
which
allows
for
this,
and
so
those
brown
active
meetings
is
probably
another
governance
issue.
So
as
as
we're
looking
through
these
and
I'm
sure
that
the
chair,
the
vice
chair
again
and
lauren,
to
take
a
look
at
where
these
things
should
go.
C
But
not
everything,
I
think,
is
accountability
and
inclusion,
and
I
should
probably
go
to
the
correct
committee
to
either
make
a
recommendation
to
say
positively
or
moving
forward
or
our
recommendation
is
that
we
do
nothing
and
kick
it
back
as
a
recommendation
that
for
the
council
or
whomever
to
look
at.
Thank
you.
J
Yes,
thank
you
chair.
Just
following
up
on
tony's
comment.
You
know,
I
don't
particularly
care
where,
or
you
know
which
committee
discusses
the
ethics
commission
only
to
say
that
I
think
the
council
moved
away
from
ethics
commission
as
terminology
and
now
it's
something
I
forget
exactly
it's
longer,
but
voting
commission
on
voting,
something
something
something
because
there
was
an
issue
a
few
years
ago
and
ethics
speaks
to
something
you
know
it
may
speak
to
morality
and
other
things.
That's
not
just
a
technical.
J
You
have
to
turn
your
documents
by
a
certain
date
and
you're
limited
to
fundraising
to
a
certain
amount,
yadda
yadda
yadda,
so
just
careful
with
the
wording
on
that,
because
we
may
be
impugning
people
who
get
caught
up
in
allegations
and
stuff
in
that
commission
when
it's
not
really
an
ethical
issue,
more
just
a
technical
error.
Secondly,
what
was
my
second?
Oh
on
the
issue
of
virtual
meetings.
J
I
believe
I'll
kick
it
to
mark,
but
I
believe
the
state
of
california
passed
something
regarding
this
and
there
was
a
limit
to
the
cities
required
with
certain
population
to
continue
this
and
I
believe
san
jose
qualifies.
But
if
that's
the
case,
do
we
as
a
commissioner
need
to
address
it?
If
that's
already
a
state
law
in
california
yeah?
Yes,
there
is
a
bill
currently
in
the
legislature
to
make
hybrid
meetings,
something
that
is
an
option
under
the
brown
act.
I.
J
It's
passed
yet,
but
it
is
something
that's
being
discussed
with
the
legislature,
and
you
are
correct
that
there
was
some
discussion
about
what
cities
would
qualify,
which
ones
weren't
largely
the
smaller
cities
wanted
to
be
exempted,
but
san
jose
would
qualify
under
this
bill
if
it,
if
it
is.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
just
want
to
repeat
something.
I've
said
before
you
know.
I
don't
have
a
problem
discussing
anything,
that's
coming
to
the
governance
committee
or
you
know,
looking
at
some
of
the
things
coming
to
some
of
these
other
committees,
but
as
frank
matzke
said,
we're
supposed
to
be
putting
together
a
recommendation
to
change
the
charter,
and
there
are
quite
a
few
items
on
this
list
that
have
nothing
to
do
with
the
charter
they're
policy
decisions.
H
So
I
think
that
going
into
these
discussions,
I
think
you
know
we
could
even
do
a
little
chart
saying:
okay,
here's
our
recommendations
on
the
charter,
here's
our
recommendations
for
policy
changes,
because
there
is
a
policy
council
policy,
man
and
you
know,
and
then
that
way,
the
public
who's
brought
up.
Some
of
these
items,
or
even
some
of
the
fellow
commissioners
who's
brought
up
some
of
these
items.
H
They
just
don't
you
know,
get
dropped
off
because
we
say
well,
it's
not
a
charter
change
but
that
we
also
say:
okay,
let's,
let's
look
at
a
policy
that
we
want
to
maybe
bring
forward.
Even
though
that's
not
our
charge,
I
think
it.
At
least
lets
the
council
know,
and
the
public
know
that
we,
you
know,
we've
we've
really
thought
a
lot
about
what
we're
doing
and
how
to
make
san
jose.
You
know
a
better
place,
a
more
accountable
place
and
a
more
transparent
place,
but
you
know
we
really
need
to
focus
on.
B
Thank
you,
commissioner
lazad.
I
I'm
going
to
ask
them
our
consultant,
I'm
going
to
work
with
you
on
looking
at
the
template,
because
in
the
template
we
may
then
have
a
section
that
says,
policy,
recommendations
or
concerns
that
were
raised
by
the
public
that
we
think
are
important,
even
though
we
don't
think
they're,
necessarily
a
charter
change,
so
that
they
could
be
in
the
report,
and
they
could
make
sure
that
so
we
make
sure
that
we
are
including
the
input
from
the
public.
B
H
F
H
B
E
D
B
E
This
is
governance.
This
is
tony
tabor.
It's
board
of
board
affair
campaign
and
political
practices.
B
Yeah,
so
we
can,
we
can
look
at
that
title.
Is
that
the
change
of
the
title
to
better
reflect
the
city's
reality,
but
hearing
from
the
public
that
really
the
ethics
of
making
sure
that
we
have
fair
elections
is
an
important
piece.
So.
B
M
Thank
you.
I
would,
I
would
say,
no
no
changes,
but
I
did
see
a
fifth
section.
Other
oh
yeah,
yep
lawrence.
If
you
don't
mind
addressing
those,
maybe
those
could
get
picked
up,
I'm
already
seeing.
The
second
bullet
perhaps
could
be
an
accountability,
accountability
and
inclusion
bullet.
I
don't
know
about
the
other
two,
but
definitely
don't
want
to
forget
about
the
others.
F
Conversations
otherwise
we
might
just
might
just
drop
them
on
on
somebody.
Commissioner,
matsumura.
K
I
mean
to
me
they
they
there's
a
comprehensiveness
and
expansiveness
to
the
accountability,
inclusion
topic
and,
and
so
perhaps
that
would
be
the
the
best
place
for
them
to
go.
And,
of
course,
if
that
committee
determined
that
there
were
elements
or
the
whole
of
it
belonged
in
another
committee,
presumably
we'd
be
able
to
accomplish
that
in
a
in
a
full
commission
meeting.
I.
B
F
Anyone
in
governance
right
now,
I
want
to
speak
to
picking
that
topic
up.
H
Well,
this
is
linda,
I
I
mean
I
don't.
I
don't
think
that
sequa
has
anything
to
do
with
the
charter
and
the
the
climate
issues.
There's
already
probably
a
climate
action
plan
that
the
city
already
has-
and
I
know
that
the
the
mayor
you
know,
has
a
green,
a
green
vision.
H
B
I
think
the
the
second
point,
the
second
bill
explorer
sequel-like
process
yeah,
which
is
not
to
say
it's
about
secret,
but
an
equity
process
that
is
looking
at
what
are
the
impacts
of
equity
for
any
policy
similar
to
a
environmental
analysis
in
a
secret
piece.
I
think
that's
more
what
the
public
was
saying.
I
Thank
you.
I.
I
agree
that
secret
sequel,
like
kind
of
makes,
makes
folks
shiver
it.
It
sounds
onerous
and
I
think
this
is
a
fabulous
policy
idea,
but
I
don't
know
how
you
do
that
in
the
charter,
the
climate
crisis
as
well.
That's
a
that's,
a
a
changing,
a
changing
world,
no
pun
intended
it!
I
It's
just
like
ai,
actually
things
the
science
changes
so
much
within
you
know
a
month
a
year,
it's
a
little
hard
to
put
ai
into
the
charter,
because
you
don't
know
where
it's
going
and
green
lighting,
I
mean
by
green
lining.
I
assume
you
mean
protecting
open
space.
I
That's
been
a
climate
issue
too,
so
I
I
think
that
that
goes
together.
I
I
think
these
would
be
good
areas
to
talk
about
for
policy
recommendations,
but
I'm
not
sure
how
to
put
them
in
a
charter.
F
Okay,
commissioner,
calendar.
C
Yeah,
I
was
gonna
agree
with
commissioner
matsumura
say:
maybe
we
stick
these
under
accountability
and
inclusion.
I
do
agree.
The
climate
crisis,
I'm
not
even
sure
exactly
how
to
stick
that
in
the
charger
or
sql-like
process,
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what
that
would
do,
because
by
the
time
we
put
it
in
there
to
be
outdated
by
the
following
year,
when
this
is
selected
on
and
green
lining
actually
is
in
the
charter.
We
do
have
green
lighting
language,
that's
currently
in
the
charter,
so
I
think
that
is
probably
something
worthy
of
looking
at
it.
C
It
may
not
be
something
that
comes
out,
but
I
can
tell
you
some
of
these
could
probably
be
disposed
of
quickly,
but
what
I
would
hope
is
that
each
committee
will
at
least
get
the
opportunity
to
address
it,
but
I
do
believe
it
probably
is
with
the
police,
accountability
and
inclusion.
The
first
two
bullets
may
be
inclusion
and
the
second
one,
the
third
one
is
definitely
an
inclusion
type
issue.
F
Okay,
thank
you,
commissioner
johnson.
A
Commissioner,
calendar
already
got
to
the
point
that
I
wanted
to
make.
Thank
you.
F
Great
commissioner
segal.
S
Thank
you
under
policing,
municipal
law,
accountability
and
inclusion.
I
would
like
the
subtopic
to
just
be
ai
in
general,
it's
very
difficult
to
separate
out
ai
with
regard
to
policing
from
ai
in
general,
and
it's
not
sure
that
it's
going
to
be
a
charter
change,
but
it
is
something
that
we're
going
to
look
about.
S
We
will
be
looking
at.
I
will
be
looking
at
as
a
whole,
so
if
we
could
just,
I
just
want
to
be
clear,
I'm
looking
at
it
as
a
whole,
not
necessarily
with
regard
to
I'm
sorry
I'll,
be
looking
at
it
with
regard
to
policing,
of
course,
but
also
as
a
whole.
F
F
Yes,
great
all
right,
so
it
sounds
like
maybe
for
the
time
being,
the
we
there's
some
general
consensus
that
some
of
these
topics
might
be
more
policy
changes
or
already
being
addressed,
but
we
can
put
them
in
accountability,
inclusion
for
now
to
be
initially
reviewed
if
they
need
to
be
moved
around.
That
can
happen.
Any
final
thoughts
on
this
I
see
vice
chair
johnson.
Your
hand
is
still
up,
and
commissioner
marshman,
your
oh.
A
F
A
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
comment
that
under
boards
and
commission,
I
also
think
it'd
be
good
if
we
explored
providing
a
stipend
for
commissioners.
I
think
that
would
encourage
more
participation
from.
A
B
Great
lawrence,
I
wanted
to
do
one
thing
just
in
terms
of
really
hearing
the
public
tonight
about
trying
to
make
sure
that
we're
clear
the
words
that
we're
using
acronyms
and
so
forth,
the
oxford
dictionary's
definition
of
green
lining
is
efforts
aimed
at
increasing
investment
in
neighborhoods,
which
have
been
redlined
or
otherwise
disadvantaged,
specifically
in
the
early
use
by
the
boycotting
of
banks,
thought
to
engage
in
redlining,
frequently
attributive.
B
So
it's
it's
not
about
green
in
terms
of
ecological,
it's
not
the
it's,
not
the
ecology
of
the
neighborhoods,
it's
the
the
the
opposite
effect
of
redlining,
which
was
discriminatory
practices
mostly
in
mortgages
for
disadvantaged
communities.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
clear
about
what
and
that's
why
it
has
so
much
of
an
effect
on
affordable
housing.
B
F
We've
got
one
more
comment
from
commissioner
calendar.
Thank
you.
C
One
final
comment:
I'm
still
stuck
on
the
bill
of
rights,
because
when
I
hear
bill
of
rights
for
me
and
maybe
six
of
where
I've
worked,
I
I
hear
policing
the
bill
of
rights,
but
when
I
heard
from
detroit
the
reason
why
they
had
a
bill
of
rights
is
because
they
were
an
elected
commission.
So
are
we
looking
at
two
different
things?
Are
we
looking
at
the
police
officers,
bill
of
rights
and
then
an
elected
bill
of
rights
for
the
future
charter
review
commissions?
I'm
not
sure
that
I
fully
understand
and
should
we?
C
If
so,
should
we
be
splitting
them
up
and
the
two
different
committees,
so
one
committee
is
talking
about.
Should
the
charter
commission
have
a
bill
of
rights
and
then
one
are
we
going
to
be
dealing
with
the
policing
bill
rights?
I
think
there
could
be
two,
but
I'm
looking
for
understanding.
That's
what
I'm
just
trying
to
do
here.
F
Yeah
and
my
understanding
is
that
detroit's
approach
was
to
incorporate
a
bill
of
rights
that
speaks
broadly
to
universal
rights
for
all
residents
community
members.
However,
they
you
know
the
term
they
use
to
to
address
and
call
in,
I
don't
even
know
what
they
detroitens
detroitians,
but
that
is
separate
from
something
that
is
specifically
addressing
policing.
So
it's,
I
think,
right
now,
with
with
the
what
we're
we're
talking
about
merging
the
two
subcommittees
there
would
be
they
would
both
fall
under
there.
So
you
could
look
at
both.
F
C
F
Yeah,
that's
already
that's
already
there.
So
so,
if
you
know,
if
the
I
guess
we
could
say
like
bill
of
rights,
you
know
sort
of
community
and
policing
specific.
F
I
don't
know
this
is
just
shorthand
for
right
now,
but
basically,
if
you
wanted
to
to
bifurcate
those
and
look
into
the
different
applications
of
bill
of
rights,
that's
how
come
he
can
do
that.
F
Yeah,
commissioner,.
H
Yeah
with
regard
to
the
anything
having
to
do
with
the
police
bill
of
rights,
I
mean
that's
a
very,
very
hot
button
issue
with
the
police
department.
The
police
bill
of
rights
is
something
that
was
legislatively
enacted
and
been
various
court
decisions
with
regard
to
it.
So
if,
if
we're
thinking
something
different,
you
know
maybe
ways
of
looking
at
different
police
methods
or
something
like
that.
H
We
need
to
call
it
something
other
than
the
police
bill
of
rights,
because
the
minute
we
label
it
that
there's
going
to
be
pushback
from
certain
corners
of
the
community
and
we
we
certainly
don't
want
that.
If
the
aim
is
to
look
at
you
know,
tactics
or
you
know-
I-
I
don't
know
what
what
some
of
the
people
were
mentioned,
that
this
are
looking
at,
but
I'm
just
talking
about
it
being
a
hot
button
phrase
that
is
going
to
give
us
more
headache
than
I
think
we
really
want
to.
A
F
A
S
Apologies
according
to
my
notes,
when
the
caller
spoke
about
the
bill
of
rights
to
be
in
the
charter
as
detroit
model.
It's
actually
that
caller
specifically
stated
bill
of
rights
for
civic
education,
for
civic
education
in
public
education,
so
it
had
it
had
more
to
do
with.
You
know:
citizens
bill
of
rights.
They
didn't
mention
policing,
at
least
the
caller
didn't
mention
policing.
S
So
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
what
I
heard
from
from
the
caller
and-
and
I
do
have
detroit's
draft
charter
review,
and
I
will
share
that
with
commissioner
calendar
and
whoever
else
is
interested
or
lawrence
can
as
well.
I
know,
but
lawrence
has
that.
K
Yeah
just
a
very
similar
comment.
I
I
think
that
the
the
police
bill
of
rights
has
only
been
raised
for
purposes
of
clarifying
what
what
was
not
proposed
by
the
public,
so
I'd
hate
to
see
it
introduced
as
something
for
us
to
discuss.
When
I
don't
think
any
member
of
the
public
or
member
of
the
commission
has
expressed
interest
in
that.
A
K
Mr
chair,
we
had
a
request
from
the
public
for
commissioners
to
disclose
any
relationship
to
the
police
department
or
police
union.
I
I
think
I
might
have
sparked
that
in
in
an
offhand
remark
making
the
point
that
I'm
not
prejudiced
against
the
police.
I
mentioned
that
my
first
husband
was
a
police
officer
and
I'm
sure
that
set
off
alarms.
I
was
married
for
five
years
in
my
20s
and
my
husband
was
a
police
officer.
I
B
J
No,
they
don't
the
the
conflicts
of
interest
that
we're
concerned
about
are
financial
conflicts
of
interest
and
those
only
apply
to
government
officials
who
have
decision
making
authority
and
file
what's
referred
to
as
a
form
700..
This
body
is
advisory
only
and
you're
not
formed
700
filers,
so
you're
under
no
compulsion
to
disclose.
B
Okay,
thank
you
for
your
clarity.
Lawrence
you
want
to
take
over
in
terms
of
sub
committee
assignments,
sure.
F
So
I've
just
re-um
organized
the
existing
subcommittee
assignments
according
to
merging
policing
and
municipal
law
with
accountability
inclusion.
So
what
I
would
love
to
do
is
hear
from
any
commissioners
who
would
like
to
move
subcommittees
outside
of
what
just
happened,
and
you
know
the
we've
got
the
totals
down
here.
We
are,
we
do
need
to
keep
subcommittees
underneath
quorum
of
eleven.
So
that's
the
for
brownock
reason.
So
that's
the
sort
of
the
hard
and
fast
here
but
other
than
that.
You
know,
wanna
make
sure
everyone's
happy.
Commissioner
posadas.
G
A
F
So
I'll
put
you
here
for
right
now
and
I'll
italicize
you
just
so
we
can
track
how
we're
moving
things
around
other
interests
in
moving.
F
Commissioner
brocio,
I
know
that
you
had
expressed
an
interest
in
the
past,
so
I
wanted
to
to
honor
that
interest.
M
Right,
thank
you.
So
a
quick
question.
I
am
interested
in
all
three
right,
as
I
said
a
couple
months
ago,
but
I'm
happy
where
I'm
at
my
question
is:
would
I
be
able
to
take
on
also
governance
and
structure?
Considering
I
abide
by
the
brown
act
rules
and
not
talk.
You
know
subcommittee
three
work
and
subcommittee
one,
and
vice
versa.
Would
that
be
possible.
F
F
You
know
if
we,
if
you're
in
both
of
these
subcommittees
two
and
three,
then
we've
got
a
subcommittee
potentially
of
15,
which
is
beyond
quorum.
Just
by
virtue
of
unintended
sharing
of
information
leads
to
cereal
brand
act
violation.
So
I
think
that
what
we'd
really
like
to
do
is
just
stick
with
the
city
attorney
recommendation
of
one
subcommittee
per
commissioner.
M
Would
I
be
able
to
move
to
governance
structure
and
be
advised
about
how
to
proceed
with
my
recommendation?
That's
now
sits
in
subcommittee
three.
F
Yeah,
I
mean,
I
think,
there's
actually,
you
know
worthwhile
here
in
the
city
attorney
here
too,
but
this
is
all
the
reason
why
we
did
want
to
do
this
once
is
that
there
is
going
to
need
to
be
for
folks
that
do
move
subcommittees
just
an
intent,
some
attempt
to
not
divulge
conversations
from
prior
groups,
and
so
with
the
recommendation
you
have
I'm
assuming
that.
F
What
would
need
to
happen
is
that
you
just
leave
that
with
with
the
the
prior
subcommittee
and
and
let
them
shepherd
that,
based
on
the
work
that
you've
done
so
far
and
then
kind
of
start
fresh
trying
to
bring
as
little
specific
discussion
from
your
prior
subcommittee
to
the
new
one
as
possible.
M
F
M
M
Yes,
please,
okay
and
and
just
for
the
record
has.
M
If,
if
I
wanted
a
push
to
be
on
two
right,
is
there
ever
an
opportunity
to
give
a
warning
to
a
commissioner
say:
oh
hey
your
last
meeting,
you
really
did
blur
the
lines
because
I
I
understand
we
do
want
to
stay
away
from
that.
But
is
there?
Is
there
a
safety
net
to
catch
those?
If,
if
there
is
the
safety
net.
F
The
safety
net
is
this
meeting.
This
is
the
best
place
for
us
to
discuss.
Has
a
commission
for
you
to
discuss
as
a
commission
the
the
the
recommendation?
So
this
is
the
the
one
safe
place
where
you
can
guarantee.
There's
not
going
to
be
any
brown
act
violations,
because
this
is
a
brown
active
meeting.
So
you
know
again,
the
the
strong
recommendation
for
city
attorney
is
to
to
avoid
the
flirting
with
with
brad
act
violations
by
sticking
to
one
subcommittee.
M
J
Well,
we
typically
in
the
city
of
san
jose:
don't
have
multiple
ad-hoc
committees
quite
like
this
operating
at
the
same
time.
One
thing
to
be
aware
of
is
that
the
subject
matter-
jurisdiction
of
this
body
is
quite
broad,
essentially
anything
that
would
go
into
a
charter
amendment.
So
while
these
are
different
topics
for
the
purposes
of
the
work
plan,
they're
all
essentially
in
the
eyes
of
the
law,
are
in
our
advice.
One
topic,
because
they're
going
to
go
in
to
potentially
could
go
into
an
amendment
to
the
charter
with
using
your
example.
J
You've
you've
provided
a
recommendation
to
the
policing
or
the
accountability
subcommittee.
You
know
that
recommendation
could
be
made
publicly
at
this
meeting
and
then
now
it's
out
there
at
a
publicly
noticed
meeting
and
and
the
entire
body
can
discuss
it.
Of
course
it
needs
to
be
or
the
the
item
needs
to
be
on
the
agenda,
but
you
moving
over
to
the
governance
structure
committee,
my
advice
or
recommendation
to
you
would
be
to
not
discuss
that
not
to
discuss
that
recommendation.
J
I
would
not
divulge
any
information
with
respect
to
what
the
governance
structure
committee
is
engaging
in
as
far
as
their
discussions
or
their
decisions,
and
that
it
goes
for
everybody.
The
purpose
behind
essentially
siloing.
The
different
subcommittees
is
so
that
we
don't
run
into
a
situation
where
we
have
a
serial
meeting
where
there
are
deliberations
going
on
through
intermediaries
between
different
subcommittees,
and
so
our
strong
recommendation
is
to
limit
your
interactions
with
your
subcommittee
members
and
to
engage
in
that
kind
of
coordination
at
a
public
meeting.
M
F
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Marshman.
I
B
I
Okay,
I'd
I'd
like
to
go
to
government
structure
and
I,
like
lewis,
I
have
a
a
report
on
electing
a
police
chief
that
I
will
leave
for
for
the
group.
Yep.
A
A
A
K
It
okay
and
like
some
others
I
had
also
since
the
beginning
expressed
you
know,
potential
interest
in
all
three
and
would
also
like
to
to
go
ahead
and
move
to
governance.
A
F
All
right
other
thoughts,
the
the
folks
that
aren't
with
us
today
are
hui
tran
and
I
know
he's
really
committed
to
this
subcommittee,
so
I
doubt
he's
gonna
shift
and
then,
commissioner
fuentes,
so
we
can
reach
out
to
her
just
to
to
see
if
she
wants
to
move
to
one
of
these
duke
subcommittees
final
thoughts.
Final
desires
shifts
changes
thumbs
up.
We
happy
with
this
all.
B
Right,
christopher
sanchez
yeah,
I.
R
Just
I
just
had
a
question
for
the
attorney
for
mark.
He
mentioned
a
700
form.
Are
we
filling
out
a
700
form
as
our
committee
or
not.
J
R
Okay,
all
right,
that's
that
clarifies
it
for
me.
Thank
you
mark
no
problem,
mr
amador.
O
Yes,
I
just
want
to
get
a
little
bit
more
clarification
on.
How
can
the
public
is
the
public
invited
to
subcommittees?
Can
we
invite
the
public?
How
would
they
be
informed
besides
us
outreaching
and
are
they
allowed
to
participate
in
our
subcommittee
meetings.
J
Yes,
I
can.
This
was
something
that
was
addressed
in
the
memorandum
that
my
office
submitted,
or
that
I
submitted
at
the
last
meeting,
where
we
discussed
that
concerns
related
to
serial
meetings,
with
not
only
commissioners
being
on
multiple
subcommittees,
but
as
well
as
allowing
for
public
participation
and
we've
advised
or
recommended
that
if
public
participation
is
going
to
occur,
then
the
brown
act
and
the
city
sunshine
policy
should
be
followed
because
of
staffing
limitations.
J
However,
that's
not
something
that
is
possible,
and
so
we've
advised
that
public
participation,
at
least
an
open
and
public
meeting
of
the
subcommittee
meetings
not
occur.
Individual
commissioners
are
free
to
reach
out
to
different
organizations.
Engage
in
public
outreach
on
their
own
subcommittees
can
invite
organizations
to
to
present.
F
Yeah
just
one
more
thing
as
far
as
next
steps,
the
policing
municipal
law
next
meeting
is
coming
up
this
thursday,
so
I
will,
as
a
first
step,
add
the
new
commissioners
to
that
invite
and
start
a
new
thread
so
that
that
group
can
communicate,
coordinate
amongst
yourselves.
And
you
know
if
you
choose
to
move
your
meeting
time,
you
can
do
that,
but
I'll
do
that
as
soon
as
I
can
tomorrow,
commissioner,.
K
Oh,
given
commissioner
amador's
question,
I
thought
perhaps
it
would
be
a
good
time
to
address
in
any
way
that
we
wish
to
roland's
email
regarding
the
brown
act
and
ad
hoc
committee.
J
Can
you
hear
me
sorry,
no
is
there?
Is
there
a
question
with
respect
to
the
letter.
K
The
well
he
he
had
requested
a
response,
I'll
attempt
to
to
convey
how
I
understood
the
email
he
he
referenced.
Some
guidance.
I
think
it
was
from
the
california
association
of
cities
that
talked
about
how
temporary
committees,
which
are
sometimes
called
ad
hoc
committees,
but
not
in
the
brown
act,
are
not
subject
to
the
brown
act.
I
I
think
he
was
saying,
though,
that
committees
that
are
established
via
formal
action
of
a
legislative
body
are
subject
to
the
brown
act.
So
and
again,
I'm
probably
putting
some
words
in
his
mouth
here.
J
B
J
I
can
respond
verbally
here.
The
section
that
the
member
of
the
public
is
citing
is
the
definition
of
a
legislative
body,
and
that
section
at
least
the
first
phrase
refers
to
when
a
legislative
body
like
the
city
council,
establishes
a
new
body
or
or
adds
members
of
the
public
say
to
a
to
a
different
body.
J
You
can
sometimes
have
commissions
where
a
city
council
member
sits
on
it
with
other
with
other
members
of
the
public,
but
in
that
same
section
is
the
less
than
a
quorum
exception,
and
this
is
explained
again
in
the
june
17th
june.
J
7Th
memo
that
I
that
I
submitted
at
the
last
meeting
and
the
lesson
a
quorum
exception
allows
for
ad
hoc
committees
of
less
than
a
quorum
of
the
members
of
the
body
to
operate
outside
of
the
brown
act,
because
it
doesn't
fall
within
the
definition
of
a
legislative
body
for
that
purpose.
J
Now
so
long
as
those
committees
do
not
operate
as
standing
committees,
which
are
committees
that
have
continuing
subject
matter
jurisdiction,
as
well
as
a
meeting
or
or
a
meeting
schedule
fixed
by
charter
resolution
ordinance
or
some
other
formal
action,
and
so
our
advice
on
this
has
been.
J
You
know
this
body,
for
example,
the
charter
review
commission
is
subject
to
the
bronic
because
it
was
created
by
formal
action
of
the
city
council
by
resolution,
but
using
the
exception,
that's
under
the
same
definition,
this
body
is
allowed
to
establish
ad-hoc
committees
and
ad-hoc
committees
are
for
a
narrow,
temporary
purpose
and
to
bring
back
recommendations
to
the
full
body
which
does
have
decision-making
authority
and
is
subject
to
the
brown
act
to
them,
make
the
decision
and
so
yeah.
I
disagree
with
the
the
well.
It's
not
that
I
disagree
with
it.
E
S
Thank
you,
city
attorney.
Would
you
kindly
send
an
email
to
us
with
the
instructions
or
the
advice
that
you
gave
to
commissioner
amador?
I
was,
I
did
not
catch
all
of
that
and
it
sounded
pretty
important.
M
M
Is
this
a
good
time
or
is
there
an
off
meeting
work
session
that
I
can
join
where
I
can
share
my
thoughts
on
how
we
can
make
that
more
accessible.
B
M
A
B
Seeing
no
other
hands
raised,
then
we
will
go
to
the
public
for
their
thoughts
on
the
finalization
of
subcommittee
assignments
and
the
subcommittee
topics
that
were
heard
from
the
public
tonight.
E
G
Hi
blair.
Q
G
Thanks
for
this
item,
I'm
better
and
better
understanding
what
you
guys
will
be
going
through
and
working
through.
Thank
you.
I
really
take
worry
that
you're
not
going
to
allow
any
sort
of
public
input
to
the
subcommittee
process.
San
jose
has
a
long
tradition
to
not
allow
public
input
to
the
city
process
to
the
subcommittee
process.
G
I
think
that
with
the
may
events,
it
really
just
made
everybody
incredibly
cold
for
the
month
of
june
and
from
that
you
just
quickly
quickly
decided
nope
we're
not
going
to
go
for
the
democratic
process,
which
is
a
real
testament
to
what
you
know
the
acts
of
mass
killing
and
warfare,
and
it
just
creates
coldness
for
ourselves.
Some
people
feel
it
creates
a
certain
sense
of
martyrdom.
Congratulations.
G
Because
of
what
has
happened
in
may,
possibly
I
I
hope
you
can
review
this
and
come
back
in
july
and
august
to
better
consider
that
just
to
offer
a
few
people
to
come,
you
know
you
can
make
it
a
sparingly
process
to
invite
people
to
the
open
public
pro
to
the
subcommittee
process.
I
think
it's
an
important
concept
and
we
have
to
work
on
stuff
like
that
with
30
seconds
left.
G
You
know
just
like
a
reminder
that
you
know
it's
my
real
feeling
that
what
I
would
like
to
be
working
towards
is
how
the
city
charter
process
can
be
a
committee
process
that
works
towards
community
and
and
council
and
how
they
address
the
future
of
the
city
manager
and
that
the
the
mayor
can
have
small
subtle
decision-making
steps
in
that
process
in
the
city
charter
process
in
the
future.
It
isn't
big.
E
N
Thank
you,
okay,
good.
You
hear
me
yes,
yeah,
okay,
good
tessa,
woodman
c.
Thank
you
blair
for
always
saying
your
last
name
and
being
such
a
good
citizen.
We
appreciate
you
blair,
beekman
anyway,
getting
to
the
point
that
we
need
to
really
be
looking
at
things
in
the
lens
of
the
of
climate
crisis,
and
so
when
I
hear
our
you
know,
linda
lozad
say:
oh
our
city's
doing
really
great
about
climate
crisis.
N
That's
not
true,
or
we
wouldn't
be
in
the
crisis
that
we're
in
and
the
thing
is,
is
that
what
we
need
in
our
leadership
of
our
governance
is
to
be
looking
through
to
the
science.
The
science
needs
to
lead
us
and
that's
where
the
politicians
cannot
do
the
job
because
they're
connected
to
their
it's
their
economics.
N
That
has
to
be
the
emphasis
of
of
all
our
decisions
and
and
looking
at
it
through
that
lens,
and
the
issue
with
the
mayor
and
the
strong
mayor
issue
when
it
came
up
was,
was
because
he
wanted
to
get
business
back
as
usual
in
the
construction
trades
and
and
that
that
public
health
was
not
considered
a
priority
and
that's
where
he
wanted
this
one
throat
to
choke
concept.
And
so
we
don't
need
a
strong
mayor.
We
need
a
strong
science
to
lead
us
and
then
I
really
think
that
we
need
more.
N
We
do
need
more
council
members,
that's
something
that
you
know
we've
gotten
too
big
and
we
do
need
at
least
maybe
20
council
members
to
really
represent
our
city,
and
so
that
that
there's
that
issue-
and
I
guess
you
know
just
more
using
technology-
we
need
to
start
using
technology
in
terms
of
being
able
to
communicate
to
the
public
like
you
should
be
able
to
go
to
a
website
and
what
are
the
meetings
that
are
happening
tonight?
You
know
that's
how
it
should
be.
It
needs
to
be
using
technology.
P
Hi
commissioners,
I
just
wanted
to
provide
a
few
clarifications
about
for
one
boards
and
commissions,
and
so
I
think
for
boards
and
commission
section
10
of
the
charter.
We
should
look
into
proper
training
such
as
standardizing
a
process
that
we
adopt
bylaws
in
the
beginning,
and
that
racial
equity
training
is
done
on
day.
P
One
the
same
way
that
we
do
sexual
harassment,
training
and
also
boards
and
commissions
regardless,
regardless
of
which
should
always
have
the
funding
necessary
to
carry
out
their
work,
such
as
funding
for
staff
to
for
the
city
clerk's
office,
to
support
subcommittee
work
as
a
public
process
and
for
language
translation
services
and
in
regards
to
the
sql-like
process
for
equity.
It's
not
easy,
but
redistributing
equity
fairly
is
not
an
easy
process,
as
we've
seen.
P
However,
if
we
have,
for
example,
an
equity
report
card,
similar
to
how
we
research
and
vital
environmental
impacts
and
decisions
that
our
planning
commission
made
to,
for
example,
approve
the
flea
market
development
that
displaces
95
of
vendors,
that
probably
wouldn't
have
passed
because
95
of
vendors
being
displaced
is
not
a
very
equitable
plan.
That
really
supports
the
community
at
large.
P
In
regards
to
our
bill
of
rights,
I
feel
like
that
has
to
do
with
to
be
able
to
participate
better
in
the
legislative
process,
which
this
is
part
of
it
and
so
being
able
to
civically
participate,
regardless
of
language,
so
that
language
should
never
be
a
barrier.
So
all
commissions
and
other
public
entities
should
have
funding
to
provide
language
services
and
we
should
have
a
right
to
particip
participate,
regardless
of
socioeconomic
status.
What
commissioner
johnson
was
saying
about
providing
commissioners
with
stipends
and
also
to
be
able
to
participate
in
this
process?
E
Q
King,
I
briefly
just
wanted
extra
clarity
using
the
term
sequel
like
invited
some
confusion,
so
sorry
about
that.
But
it
has
nothing
to
do
with
environmental
standards
or
environmental
review,
or
anything
like
that.
It's
just
the
idea
that
there
would
be
some
enshrined
process
that
the
city
would
have
to
do
to
promote
equity
throughout
the
city,
and
I
think
it
belongs
in
the
accountability
and
inclusion
group.
L
L
L
L
We've
got
closed
captioning,
which
means
I
just
captured
everything
that
he
said
word
for
word,
but
tomorrow
I
will
be
back
at
council,
I'm
going
to
bring
this
back
to
cancer's
attention,
which
is
a
reason
why
you
got
an
opinion
from
the
city's
council
last
month.
I
mean
a
survey
back
in
may
and
this
time
I
got
to
make
it
very
clear
that
the
brown
act
has
got
nothing
to
do
with
us
or
whether
staff
are
available,
and
I
can,
as
a
council,
appoint
an
independent
council
to
provide
legal
support
to
this
commission.
B
E
G
Hi,
thank
you,
I
guess
jon
to
conclude
to
swing
for
the
fences
here.
You
know
we've
been
dealing
with
911
the
issue
of
the
2008
depression,
pg
e,
wildfire
issues
and
kovid.
G
I
think
we're
developing
practices
to
address
that
and
what
can
be
a
more
peaceful
solution
to
our
future,
so
I'm
really
working
towards
ideas
of
accountability
and
openness
with
technology,
there's
a
whole
series
of
practices
by
the
aclu
on
this
subject
that
I
really
think
should
be
a
part
of
your
ai
issues
and
what
you're
trying
to
address
I
mean.
There's
public
safety
issues
with
vision,
zero
and
the
use
of
surveillance
technology
in
a
community
I
mean
that's
bread
and
butter
to
to
sam
ricardo,
and
you
know,
and
into
a
lot
of
the
community.
G
You
have
to
learn
to
address
both
sides
of
that
people
want
the
public
safety
of
vision,
zero.
They
want
the
digital
inclusion
issues
of
ai
and
and
and
foreign
5g
and
the
whole
digital
inclusion,
bridging
the
digital
divide
process,
but
at
the
same
time
there
needs
to
be
ideas
of
open
public
policy
and
responsible
practices
with
the
technology
to
do
that,
and,
and
really
include
open
public
policy
with
technology
ideas
and
your
future
thinking
it's
by
the
aclu
very
much
check
it
out.
N
Thank
you
for
saying
my
name.
Thank
you.
Basically,
I
guess
the
the
digital
communication
that
I
was
talking
to
my
son,
who
ran
for
city
council,
marshall,
woodman
c
and
as
a
gen
z,
how
he
really
engaged
his
community
through
digital
outreach.
N
You
know
through
instagram
and
different,
I
guess
their
social
networks,
and
so
we
really
need
to
increase
that
and
that
the
only
reason
I
know
about
this
pro
meeting
tonight
is
because
of
jake,
tonkel
and
and
and
friending
him
on
on
instagram,
and
he
he
communicated
about
it
and,
like
other
people
have
said
you
know,
our
council
is
not
doing
a
good
job
in
in
communicating
with
us,
and-
and
so
I
guess,
the
other
thing
was.
Is
that
just
in
general
not
doing
a
good
job?
And
that's
where
the?
N
I
guess
we
need
to
engineer
the
solutions
like
they've
done
in
both
san
francisco
and
new
york.
When
you
deal
with
an
issue
that
comes
up
with
the
city,
you
get
a
code
case
and
then
there's
follow
through
where
here
nobody
responds,
you
can
write
a
letter,
they
don't
respond,
even
you
know.
So
when
we're
discussing
right
now
like
should
the
general
manager
be
strong
or
should
the
mayor
be
strong,
and
yet
I
will
contact
the
general,
you
know
our
our
city
manager
and
I
don't
get
any
reply
back.
N
He
says
something
like
you
know
if
it's
important
I'll
reply
back
to
you
or
something
in
his
message
when
he
responds,
but
he
doesn't,
and
so
you
know
this
is
the
you
know
a
consistent
pattern
of
our
our
city,
and
so,
if
we
could
somewhat
you
know
in
terms
of
the
problems
in
our
city
that
it
becomes,
you
know
when
you
call
it
up
and
you
you
know
you
call
a
number
like
one
and
then
you
get
a
case
and
it
has
to
be
followed
through
instead
of
you
know
them
just
ignoring
us,
and
so
there's
that
issue
and
then,
like
I
said
in
terms
of
the
communication
that
also
could
be
used.
P
Hello,
I
ran
out
of
time
I'm
not
really
sure
where
to
put
this,
but
I
wanted
to
speak
on
community
engagement
as
blair,
beekman
and
tessa.
Woodman
has
also
been
speaking
about,
and
I
think
that
putting
community
engagement
as
a
section
in
the
charter,
as
example
by
this
process
and
people
not
hearing
about
it
and
then
the
commission
running
into
problems
with
funding
issues
for
staff
capacity
and
language
translations.
P
However,
the
power
in
placing
such
a
process
in
our
city,
governance
structure
is
accountability,
and
if
it's
in
our
city
constitution,
our
city
charter,
the
city
and
our
elected
representatives
are
bound
by
law
to
uphold
this
document
as
exampled
by
the
oath
taken
when
they
enter
office.
And
so
I
think
that's
why
a
lot
of
community
members
are
coming
to
this.
Foundational
document
is
because
they
have
been
participating
for
many
years
for
decades,
fighting
for
equity
and
racial
equity
and
more
justice
and
more
police
accountability.
P
I
feel
that
what
I
meant
by
my
public
comment
earlier
is
that
the
chair
should
be
democratically
appointed
within
the
commission
by
commissioner
commissioners,
the
same
as
the
vice
chair
versus
being
appointed
by
the
mayor,
because
when
they're
appointed
by
the
mayor,
there
is
some
questionability
questionability
about
how
is
that
equitable
and
how
is
that
inclusive?
P
As
we
see
we
know,
the
chair
holds
a
lot
of
power
with
setting
the
agenda
and
working
with
the
consultant
and
really
driving
the
process,
and
so
having
a
democratically
appointed
chair
for
commissions,
boards
and
commissions
going
forward,
I
think,
is
a
process
that
would
be
more
equitable,
going
forward
and
more
inclusive.
Thank
you.