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City of San José, California
Charter Review Commission of October 4, 2021

This public meeting will be conducted via Zoom Webinar. For information on public participation via Zoom, please refer to the linked meeting agenda below.

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The chair of the senate say 2 00:00:05,010, --> 00:00:06.021 charter.

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Commission.- I'd like to 3 00:00:06,021 --> 00:00:07.021 call this meeting of october 4 00:00:07,021 --> 00:00:09.003, four, twenty twenty one to order; 5 00:00:09,003 --> 00:00:11.019 and I ask the clerk to take the 6 00:00:11,019 --> 00:00:18.026 roll, please over marshman 7, 00:00:18,026, --> 00:00:22.026, sorry here in christine johnson 8 00:00:22,026 --> 00:00:27.018 here elizabeth mondli here, 9 00:00:27,018, --> 00:00:32.001 elements tomorrow here enrico 10, 00:00:32,001, -->, 00:00:40.002, callander kominski, eric 11 00:00:40,002, -->, 00:00:47.007, percival here., jorge sanchez 12, 00:00:47,007, -->, 00:00:53.026, tran here., jeremy, verus 13 00:00:53,026 --> 00:01:01.021 here was posadas lendio 14 00:01:01,021 --> 00:01:05.026 lindel lizotte air whisper, 15, 00:01:05,026, -->, 00:01:10.010 ozio, here, magnolia's eagle, 16, 00:01:10,010, -->, 00:01:16.024, present maria pointis here, 17 00:01:16,024, -->, 00:01:20.013, sammy robledo, here, jerry 18, 00:01:20,013, -->, 00:01:29.010 sagara ti tran tobin 19, 00:01:29,010, -->, 00:01:35.019 gilman, here veronica amador, 20, 00:01:35,019, -->, 00:01:41.002, nome zhao here and frederick er, 21 00:01:41,002, -->, 00:01:44.001, never corm.

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Thank you. Thank you. 22 00:01:44,001, --> 00:01:46.010 .. At this time, I'd like to ask 23, 00:01:46,010 --> 00:01:48.013 for a motion to pass the 24 00:01:48,013 --> 00:01:50.009 consent, calendar. the consent, 25 00:01:50,009 --> 00:01:52.011 calendar includes minutes of 26 00:01:52,011 --> 00:01:54.019, the august twenty third meeting, 27 00:01:54,019 --> 00:01:56.003 receiving and accepting any 28 00:01:56,003 --> 00:01:59.028 letters from the public and so 29 00:01:59,028 --> 00:02:00.010. I'd like a motion to adopt the 30 00:02:00,010 -->, 00:02:04.003 consent calendar so moved 31, 00:02:04,003, -->, 00:02:06.015 and second thank you.

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32 00:02:06,015, --> 00:02:09.012, commissioner manley, a second 33 00:02:09,012 --> 00:02:12.004 second.. Thank you, commissioner. 34 00:02:12,004, --> 00:02:14.024 bruce at this time I'll go to 35 00:02:14,024 --> 00:02:15.014 public comment on the consent: 36 00:02:15,014 -->, 00:02:17.029 calendar.. Does anybody wish to 37 00:02:17,029 --> 00:02:18.012 address the commission on the 38 00:02:18,012 -->, 00:02:23.028 consent, calendar items, I'm 39, 00:02:23,028, -->, 00:02:26.021, sorry, tessa woodmansee, thank 40, 00:02:26,021, --> 00:02:29.000, you so much. tessa, woodmansee, 41, 00:02:29,000, -->, 00:02:32.005 yeah..

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I guess the issue of the 42 00:02:32,005 --> 00:02:34.024 last meetings and the public 43 00:02:34,024 --> 00:02:37.016 comment in regards to how 44 00:02:37,016 --> 00:02:39.023 the meeting is going and what 45 00:02:39,023 --> 00:02:42.009 we're addressing is been my 46 00:02:42,009 --> 00:02:46.020, continual mantra towards the my 47 00:02:46,020 --> 00:02:48.006 engagement with the charter 48 00:02:48,006 --> 00:02:51.024 review commission is that I'm 49 00:02:51,024 --> 00:02:52.023 interested in having our 50 00:02:52,023 --> 00:02:54.012 climate crisis being addressed, 51 00:02:54,012, --> 00:02:57.007 and it seems to just be 52.

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00:02:57,007 --> 00:02:59.015 routinely addressed.. It's like 53 00:02:59,015 --> 00:03:00.023. Like I said the last time, it's 54 00:03:00,023 --> 00:03:01.024, like checking a box. yes. you 55, 00:03:01,024, --> 00:03:02.027, addressed it like the last 56 00:03:02,027 --> 00:03:04.026 meeting we had where there was 57 00:03:04,026 --> 00:03:06.012, like ten other items on the 58 00:03:06,012 --> 00:03:09.018 agenda, where it really wasn't. 59 00:03:09,018 --> 00:03:11.002 even noted that we were going 60, 00:03:11,002, --> 00:03:14.012, to address this issue and so 61 00:03:14,012 --> 00:03:15.018.

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There wasn't a chance to really 62 00:03:15,018 --> 00:03:17.009 get community involvement and 63 00:03:17,009 --> 00:03:20.012. Even going back to how this 64 00:03:20,012 --> 00:03:22.012 commission was created that 65 00:03:22,012 --> 00:03:23.023. There was one hundred and fifty 66 00:03:23,023 --> 00:03:24.004 thousand dollars from what I 67 00:03:24,004 --> 00:03:27.028, hear put in for outreach into 68 00:03:27,028 --> 00:03:28.019, our communities, and yet there 69, 00:03:28,019 --> 00:03:30.024 was nothing about environmental 70, 00:03:30,024 --> 00:03:31.011. There really was hardly any 71 00:03:31,011 --> 00:03:33.028 environmental.. I don't think 72 00:03:33,028 --> 00:03:34.022.

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There was any environmental and 73 00:03:34,022 --> 00:03:38.015. Yet all the minority outreach I 74 00:03:38,015 --> 00:03:40.001. I guess I'm not even seeing any 75 00:03:40,001 --> 00:03:42.027 outreach in terms of 76 00:03:42,027, -->, 00:03:43.006 participation in these meetings, 77 00:03:43,006, --> 00:03:45.005 and even the meeting that we 78 00:03:45,005 --> 00:03:48.013, had today with the environment, 79 00:03:48,013, --> 00:03:50.020 with the city of san jose., you 80, 00:03:50,020, --> 00:03:52.007, know the outreach to our 81 00:03:52,007 --> 00:03:54.020 stakeholders, as they said in 82 00:03:54,020 --> 00:03:56.010. This last meeting was very poor.

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83 00:03:56,010 --> 00:03:58.003 and that's what I'm seeing in 84 00:03:58,003 --> 00:04:01.015 in this you. How are the 85 00:04:01,015 --> 00:04:02.019 environment, is being handled, 86, 00:04:02,019, -->, 00:04:03.012, and that's why we are in the 87 00:04:03,012 --> 00:04:05.008 world of hurt, because people 88, 00:04:05,008, --> 00:04:07.006, aren't addressing it and you 89 00:04:07,006 --> 00:04:09.018 know,, like like rozenberg, said 90 00:04:09,018, -->, 00:04:11.012, bla, bla, bla, meeting that you 91 00:04:11,012, --> 00:04:13.004, say you're, reaching out to us.

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92 00:04:13,004, --> 00:04:15.027 and you say: you're interested 93, 00:04:15,027 --> 00:04:16.024, but I don't see any real action. 94 00:04:16,024, -->, 00:04:19.018 about it and I I'll be 95. 00:04:19,018 --> 00:04:21.011 surprised if it ever gets even 96 00:04:21,011 --> 00:04:24.022 into our charter,, you know, and 97 00:04:24,022 --> 00:04:25.007. That's why we're going down 98 00:04:25,007 --> 00:04:27.013 into our abyss, because we're 99, 00:04:27,013 --> 00:04:28.003, not addressing this issue of 100 00:04:28,003 --> 00:04:36.025 climate crisis., we're becoming 101 00:04:36,025, -->, 00:04:37.003 hi.! Thank you where we can 102 00:04:37,003 --> 00:04:39.024.

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Thank you for the meeting today. 103 00:04:39,024 --> 00:04:40.008 and thank you for public 104, 00:04:40,008 --> 00:04:42.006 comment time here: consent, 105, 00:04:42,006, -->, 00:04:45.017 callander. I have a letter to 106 00:04:45,017 --> 00:04:46.012, the public, our letter from the 107 00:04:46,012 --> 00:04:48.026 public. In this week's consent, 108 00:04:48,026 --> 00:04:50.002 calendar and I hope it can be 109 00:04:50,002, --> 00:04:53.004 of help.. You guys.

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I know you've 110 00:04:53,004 --> 00:04:55.009 been working hard with jennifer 111 00:04:55,009 -->, 00:04:57.026 mcguire and perhaps with some 112 00:04:57,026 --> 00:04:59.028 of the reimagined task force to 113 00:04:59,028 --> 00:05:02.007, better understand how we can 114 00:05:02,007 --> 00:05:04.005 continue to move forward with 115 00:05:04,005 --> 00:05:06.028 ideas of reimagine within the 116 00:05:06,028 --> 00:05:08.019 charter process., you know,, 117, 00:05:08,019 -->, 00:05:10.000 we've, since you know,, you have 118 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12.019, an august meeting on this 119 00:05:12,019 -->, 00:05:14.004 agenda.. It's my understanding, 120 00:05:14,004, -->, 00:05:17.009 that,, you know,.

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Since august we 121 00:05:17,009, -->, 00:05:18.002 kind, understood between 122 00:05:18,002, -->, 00:05:20.016 ourselves or that I've 123 00:05:20,016 --> 00:05:22.026, understood that,. You know, some 124 00:05:22,026 --> 00:05:23.011. A few adjustments would have to 125 00:05:23,011 --> 00:05:26.020 be made and we're making those 126 00:05:26,020 --> 00:05:28.011 things in a real surprise., but 127 00:05:28,011 --> 00:05:30.024 it.

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It would be a surprise if we 128 00:05:30,024 --> 00:05:31.002 were to totally end the 129 00:05:31,002 --> 00:05:34.013 reimagine process and we're not 130 00:05:34,013 --> 00:05:35.025, and I don't think- and I don't 131 00:05:35,025 --> 00:05:37.009- hope that we do good luck and 132 00:05:37,009 --> 00:05:39.026 how it can actually broaden our 133 00:05:39,026 --> 00:05:40.028 efforts to better consider, 134, 00:05:40,028, -->, 00:05:42.002, greenslopes, changeability ideas, 135 00:05:42,002, -->, 00:05:47.000 and ohlone indian ideas., 136 00:05:47,000, --> 00:05:49.018.

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That was a really interesting 137 00:05:49,018 --> 00:05:51.014 topic last that thank you for 138 00:05:51,014, --> 00:05:55.009, bringing that here.

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so that I 139 00:05:55,009 --> 00:05:57.011 said I had a few words that in 140 00:05:57,011 --> 00:05:59.024, the post, traumatic events of 141, 00:05:59,024, -->, 00:06:01.020, the may twenty six shootings, 142 00:06:01,020 --> 00:06:03.019 and in the ways to develop good 143, 00:06:03,019 -->, 00:06:04.020 practices,, better 144, 00:06:04,020, -->, 00:06:05.015, communication,, better 145, 00:06:05,015, -->, 00:06:07.000 preparedness and more clear 146, 00:06:07,000, --> 00:06:09.002, heartfelt understandings for 147 00:06:09,002, --> 00:06:11.026, everyday community and local 148 00:06:11,026 --> 00:06:12.007 government bureaucracy.. I have 149 00:06:12,007 --> 00:06:14.009 been asking for months now.

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If 150 00:06:14,009 --> 00:06:16.017 we meet, we need to more openly 151 00:06:16,017 --> 00:06:18.018, discuss and prepare for a large 152 00:06:18,018 --> 00:06:19.011 earthquake in the next few 153 00:06:19,011 --> 00:06:21.022 years.. I feel this can make for 154 00:06:21,022 --> 00:06:22.008 a much less confused and more 155 00:06:22,008 --> 00:06:25.020 safe caring public process., 156 00:06:25,020, --> 00:06:26.018. Thanks for your time. thanks 157 00:06:26,018 --> 00:06:27.026 for your words.. You know my 158 00:06:27,026 --> 00:06:28.021 feelings on the subject.. I hope 159 00:06:28,021 --> 00:06:30.026.

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I can get to the bottom of this 160 00:06:30,026 -->, 00:06:31.023 and figure out what is the 161 00:06:31,023 --> 00:06:33.024 earthquake situation, but thank 162, 00:06:33,024 --> 00:06:34.001 you for your efforts and work, 163 00:06:34,001 --> 00:06:39.028. The commission.- thank 164 00:06:39,028, -->, 00:06:39.024 you.. The clerk will take the 165 00:06:39,024 --> 00:06:41.021 role on the motion. It's on the 166 00:06:41,021 --> 00:06:43.005 floor, which is to adopt the 167 00:06:43,005 --> 00:06:45.021 consent calendar for this week: 168 00:06:45,021 -->, 00:06:51.010 .; however marshman yes, johnson, 169, 00:06:51,010, -->, 00:06:57.027, yes., elizabeth mully, yes.

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170, 00:06:57,027, --> 00:07:03.003 tomorrow, yes. enrico calendar., 171, 00:07:03,003, -->, 00:07:08.022, frank netsky, guarente, first of 172, 00:07:08,022, -->, 00:07:14.007, all yes. gorgeousness. We 173 00:07:14,007, --> 00:07:21.011 tranh, that jeremy verus, yes, 174, 00:07:21,011 --> 00:07:28.003 was a posadas; yes londa I mean 175 00:07:28,003, --> 00:07:34.015. Those are yes winnsboro, yes, 176 00:07:34,015, -->, 00:07:38.024, magnolia siegle. Yes, we have one 177 00:07:38,024 --> 00:07:42.005 test yes.

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samuel alito 178 00:07:42,005 -->, 00:07:48.026 yes., gary cigarroa ti 179 00:07:48,026, --> 00:07:53.024 tran, yes, tobin, gilman, yes, 180 00:07:53,024, -->, 00:08:02.026, veronica amador, dongzhou., yes, 181, 00:08:02,026, --> 00:08:04.022, that motion passes. thank you., 182, 00:08:04,022, --> 00:08:07.019 thank you and to the clerk 183 00:08:07,019 --> 00:08:10.026, commissioner matzke registers, 184 00:08:10,026 --> 00:08:11.018 absents for this evening.. I 185 00:08:11,018, --> 00:08:12.016, don't know about the other 186 00:08:12,016 --> 00:08:13.007 commissioners, whether they're 187 00:08:13,007, --> 00:08:15.014, going to be joining us late. 188, 00:08:15,014, --> 00:08:16.001.

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The commissioner matzke is out 189 00:08:16,001 --> 00:08:19.000 of town. ok,. Let's move to our 190 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21.010 new business tonight. we're 191 00:08:21,010 --> 00:08:22.019, going to do our first final 192 00:08:22,019 --> 00:08:25.022 vote as the for the members of 193 00:08:25,022 --> 00:08:27.017, the public to remember the 194 00:08:27,017 --> 00:08:29.002 commission had study sessions, 195 00:08:29,002 --> 00:08:32.020. Looked at the questions that 196 00:08:32,020 --> 00:08:33.022 had come before us from the 197 00:08:33,022 --> 00:08:35.018 study sessions from their 198 00:08:35,018 --> 00:08:38.027 subcommittees, did their work.

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199 00:08:38,027 --> 00:08:39.006 in terms of bringing 200 00:08:39,006 --> 00:08:41.025 recommendations to the full 201 00:08:41,025 -->. 00:08:42.007. Commission.- the full commission, 202 00:08:42,007 --> 00:08:44.018 discussed those in the public 203 00:08:44,018 --> 00:08:46.004 forum, but a comment was taken: 204 00:08:46,004, --> 00:08:48.024 at our meeting and then at our 205 00:08:48,024 --> 00:08:49.019 public hearing on these 206 00:08:49,019 --> 00:08:51.018 recommendations, the start of 207 00:08:51,018 --> 00:08:53.019, the desire of the commission to 208 00:08:53,019 --> 00:08:55.000, actually take an earlier vote.

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209 00:08:55,000, --> 00:08:58.024 on this one item to be able 210, 00:08:58,024, --> 00:08:59.017 from the timely timeliness, 211 00:08:59,017 --> 00:09:02.029 perspective to keep this profit 212 00:09:02,029 --> 00:09:03.015. This recommendation going 213 00:09:03,015 --> 00:09:05.007 forward because it does have 214 00:09:05,007, --> 00:09:07.000, some timeliness issues as it 215 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09.016 affects elections in the future, 216 00:09:09,016 --> 00:09:11.006, and perhaps that the issue may 217 00:09:11,006 --> 00:09:13.029 influence the writing of 218 00:09:13,029 --> 00:09:14.003 candidates..

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So this evening, 219 00:09:14,003 --> 00:09:16.004 we're going to be taking our 220 00:09:16,004 --> 00:09:18.027. First final vote, which will go 221, 00:09:18,027 --> 00:09:19.018 as a recommendation. If it's, if 222 00:09:19,018, --> 00:09:22.011, it's passed to the mayor,, the 223 00:09:22,011 --> 00:09:25.006 council as a standalone, 224, 00:09:25,006, -->, 00:09:27.026 recommendation., I want to 225 00:09:27,026 --> 00:09:28.023 assure the public.

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This does not 226 00:09:28,023 --> 00:09:30.029 mean that we are not going to 227 00:09:30,029 --> 00:09:31.011 be taking up all the other 228 00:09:31,011 --> 00:09:33.017 issues or bringing lots of 229 00:09:33,017 --> 00:09:34.020 recommendations to the mayor, 230, 00:09:34,020, -->, 00:09:36.016 and council.: this was the one 231 00:09:36,016 --> 00:09:38.025 that the commission has asked 232 00:09:38,025 --> 00:09:40.013 that we bring up earlier and so 233 00:09:40,013 --> 00:09:42.013. It's coming for you tonight as 234 00:09:42,013 --> 00:09:44.015. It was probably noticed.

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The 235 00:09:44,015 --> 00:09:45.006 procedure that we're going to 236 00:09:45,006 --> 00:09:47.008 follow tonight. Is I'm been 237 00:09:47,008, -->, 00:09:49.007, asked,, commissioner,, first of 238, 00:09:49,007 --> 00:09:51.008, all to restate the 239 00:09:51,008 --> 00:09:53.027 recommendation in just 240 00:09:53,027 --> 00:09:55.007. Reviewing the final memo not to 241 00:09:55,007 --> 00:09:57.020 read the memo.. It's the matter: 242 00:09:57,020, --> 00:09:58.029 of public record, but just to do 243, 00:09:58,029, -->, 00:10:00.012, a summary of that,.

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We will then 244 00:10:00,012, -->, 00:10:02.017, open it up to a discussion of 245, 00:10:02,017, -->, 00:10:04.003 the commission and then open up 246, 00:10:04,003, --> 00:10:07.017 to public comment. Finally, and 247 00:10:07,017 --> 00:10:08.002 we'll be taking a vote on this 248 00:10:08,002 -->, 00:10:10.009, issue., so I'll turn it over to 249 00:10:10,009, --> 00:10:11.011. Commissioner, first of all and 250 00:10:11,011 --> 00:10:14.001. Thank you for giving us the 251 00:10:14,001 --> 00:10:17.018, summary tonight. great. thank 252, 00:10:17,018 --> 00:10:20.022 you chair for, and I will just 253 00:10:20,022 --> 00:10:22.009 keep this short..

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I know we've 254, 00:10:22,009, --> 00:10:25.015 talked about this issue now for 255 00:10:25,015 --> 00:10:26.004 several months and we've all 256 00:10:26,004 --> 00:10:29.019 had a chance to look at the 257 00:10:29,019 --> 00:10:31.021 memo and hear from the public 258 00:10:31,021 --> 00:10:33.013 on a number of occasions and 259 00:10:33,013, -->, 00:10:36.003 and so I'll. Just again kind of 260 00:10:36,003 --> 00:10:38.007 restate what the what the 261 00:10:38,007 --> 00:10:40.004 problem is that this policy 262 00:10:40,004 --> 00:10:42.007 changes is this recommendation.

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263 00:10:42,007, --> 00:10:45.021 is trying to to to address and 264 00:10:45,021 --> 00:10:46.011, some of the potential 265 00:10:46,011 --> 00:10:49.027 consequences of this., so we'll 266, 00:10:49,027 --> 00:10:50.003 just start with a discussion.

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267 00:10:50,003 --> 00:10:52.002 we've been having about trying 268 00:10:52,002 --> 00:10:55.017 to strengthen our really the 269 00:10:55,017 --> 00:10:57.008 foundations of our democracy in 270, 00:10:57,008, -->, 00:11:00.002 san jose, and that is it is 271 00:11:00,002 --> 00:11:03.003 through elections that that 272 00:11:03,003 --> 00:11:05.016 people, voters, residents, can 273 00:11:05,016 --> 00:11:06.010 hold elected officials, 274 00:11:06,010, -->, 00:11:09.018 accountable., and in san jose 275 00:11:09,018 --> 00:11:11.008 mayoral elections. We've had the 276 00:11:11,008 --> 00:11:13.021. Only at large elected officials, 277 00:11:13,021, --> 00:11:14.000 in the city.

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I should mention 278 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17.019, the most visible person is 279 00:11:17,019 --> 00:11:19.015, typically produced low turnout, 280 00:11:19,015 --> 00:11:21.020 rates and on average only about 281 00:11:21,020, --> 00:11:22.014. Forty three percent of 282 00:11:22,014 --> 00:11:24.028 registered voters cast ballots 283, 00:11:24,028 --> 00:11:26.005 for the mayor's race over the 284 00:11:26,005 --> 00:11:30.012 last four election cycles., so 285 00:11:30,012, --> 00:11:34.025 low turnout is problematic, 286 00:11:34,025, --> 00:11:37.024, particularly when the voice and 287 00:11:37,024 --> 00:11:39.010.

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The preferences of people who 288 00:11:39,010 --> 00:11:41.028 typically participate in 289 00:11:41,028 --> 00:11:42.022 elections, and that is as 290 00:11:42,022 --> 00:11:43.021 research has shown: 291 00:11:43,021, --> 00:11:46.029, predominantly white people, more 292, 00:11:46,029, --> 00:11:47.029, higher education and higher 293 00:11:47,029 --> 00:11:50.015 income have different 294, 00:11:50,015 --> 00:11:52.017 experiences and policy, 295 00:11:52,017 --> 00:11:55.008 preferences than people who are 296, 00:11:55,008, -->, 00:11:57.010 voting less often or don't vote, 297 00:11:57,010, --> 00:11:59.020 at all in local elections and 298 00:11:59,020 --> 00:12:00.028.

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Those predominantly are people 299, 00:12:00,028 --> 00:12:01.001, who are lower income,, lower 300, 00:12:01,001, -->, 00:12:04.013, education and and members of 301 00:12:04,013 --> 00:12:05.025 racial ethnic minority, groups. 302 00:12:05,025 --> 00:12:08.010. So this proposal really is 303 00:12:08,010 --> 00:12:11.005, designed to make san jose 304 00:12:11,005 --> 00:12:13.003, mayoral elections, more 305 00:12:13,003, --> 00:12:15.010 representative of the community 306 00:12:15,010 --> 00:12:16.026, to give a greater voice to 307 00:12:16,026 --> 00:12:18.026 people who have been often left 308, 00:12:18,026, --> 00:12:22.020 out of our political process., 309 00:12:22,020, --> 00:12:24.027.

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So the policy of the proposal- 310 00:12:24,027 --> 00:12:26.019 itself, as attorney vanney, had 311 00:12:26,019 --> 00:12:28.001 distributed and has placed this 312 00:12:28,001 --> 00:12:31.017 in more formal language., but 313 00:12:31,017, --> 00:12:32.000 I'll.

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Just give you the quick 314, 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:36.002 recap here and that is we're 315 00:12:36,002 --> 00:12:39.018, really calling for to to make a 316 00:12:39,018 --> 00:12:40.015 transition for the mayoral 317 00:12:40,015 -->, 00:12:43.009 elections to presidential years, 318, 00:12:43,009, -->, 00:12:46.017, beginning in twenty twenty four 319 00:12:46,017 --> 00:12:48.001, and to do that the can all 320 00:12:48,001 --> 00:12:52.023 candidates running for office, 321 00:12:52,023, --> 00:12:55.015 in twenty twenty two would, if 322 00:12:55,015, --> 00:12:59.016.

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This policy proposal goes to 323 00:12:59,016 --> 00:13:00.026, the city council and they 324 00:13:00,026, --> 00:13:01.010, recommend it it's placed on the 325 00:13:01,010 -->, 00:13:04.022 ballot and voter support.

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It 326 00:13:04,022 --> 00:13:06.013 next year, as as a charter 327 00:13:06,013, -->, 00:13:09.003 initiative, then that term would 328, 00:13:09,003 --> 00:13:11.010 be a two year term., so 329 00:13:11,010 --> 00:13:12.023, beginning in twenty twenty 330 00:13:12,023 --> 00:13:14.014 three january, ending at the end 331 00:13:14,014, --> 00:13:18.010 of twenty twenty four, then the 332 00:13:18,010 --> 00:13:20.004 candidates running for mayor in 333, 00:13:20,004, --> 00:13:22.011, twenty twenty two would be 334 00:13:22,011, --> 00:13:24.019 eligible to then serve two and 335 00:13:24,019 --> 00:13:26.005, the initial two year term, plus 336 00:13:26,005 --> 00:13:30.026, two additional four year terms: 337 00:13:30,026, --> 00:13:31.021, one in twenty twenty four and 338 00:13:31,021 --> 00:13:33.009 one in twenty twenty, eight and 339 00:13:33,009 --> 00:13:35.026 the results of all of this 340 00:13:35,026 --> 00:13:37.014, based on extensive research on 341, 00:13:37,014, --> 00:13:40.018.

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This both here in san jose and 342 00:13:40,018 --> 00:13:42.025, the other city elections, not 343, 00:13:42,025, -->, 00:13:43.003, only california, but in other 344 00:13:43,003 --> 00:13:45.027 parts of the country, but here 345, 00:13:45,027, -->, 00:13:47.004 san jose estimates suggest that 346 00:13:47,004 --> 00:13:50.016, voter turnout would increase by 347 00:13:50,016 --> 00:13:51.025 about 30 percent or about 348 00:13:51,025 --> 00:13:52.004, another one hundred and sixty 349 00:13:52,004 -->, 00:13:55.008 thousand voters.

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Every election 350 00:13:55,008 --> 00:13:58.023, given the current numbers of 351 00:13:58,023 --> 00:13:59.016, registered voters in the city, 352 00:13:59,016 --> 00:14:01.023 by moving to to from 353 00:14:01,023 --> 00:14:02.016 gubernatorial to presidential 354, 00:14:02,016 --> 00:14:04.007 years, and there's research, just 355 00:14:04,007, --> 00:14:06.029, there's no other policy change, 356 00:14:06,029, --> 00:14:06.010.

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That would contribute to a 357, 00:14:06,010 --> 00:14:08.026, greater increase in voter 358 00:14:08,026 --> 00:14:10.025 turnout than this one and it 359 00:14:10,025, --> 00:14:12.008 would ensure- or at least 360 00:14:12,008 --> 00:14:15.021 improve the level of of 361 00:14:15,021 --> 00:14:17.005 representation in our in our 362 00:14:17,005 --> 00:14:19.001, mayoral elections., so I'll 363, 00:14:19,001, -->, 00:14:21.018, leave it at that and happy to 364 00:14:21,018 --> 00:14:22.004 to chat if people have any 365 00:14:22,004 --> 00:14:25.011 questions. thank you,, 366 00:14:25,011, -->, 00:14:26.024, commissioner.

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first of all, is 367 00:14:26,024 --> 00:14:28.004 there any discussion from the 368 00:14:28,004 --> 00:14:31.026 commission. Anyone who wishes to 369 00:14:31,026 --> 00:14:39.008 be recognized on this item are 370 00:14:39,008 --> 00:14:43.015, you teso woodmansee we're going 371, 00:14:43,015 --> 00:14:49.006 to mention first mr. metamora,, 372, 00:14:49,006, --> 00:14:52.014. Thank you and thank you so much 373, 00:14:52,014 --> 00:14:55.018 to attorney bonnie. For for your 374 00:14:55,018 --> 00:14:56.022 work on this..

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I really 375 00:14:56,022 --> 00:14:58.020, appreciate you being able to 376 00:14:58,020 --> 00:15:00.015, see the exact opposite and it's 377 00:15:00,015 --> 00:15:03.011 to the charter.

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I did have a 378 00:15:03,011 --> 00:15:06.013 couple of questions., one being 379 00:15:06,013 --> 00:15:07.018, you know,, there's a couple of 380 00:15:07,018 --> 00:15:08.022 sections where it says: 381 00:15:08,022, --> 00:15:09.006, notwithstanding any other 382 00:15:09,006 --> 00:15:12.014 provision of the charter, I 383 00:15:12,014 --> 00:15:13.000 recognize that that standard 384, 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15.013 language., are there any other 385 00:15:15,013 --> 00:15:16.022 provisions of the charter that 386 00:15:16,022 --> 00:15:18.018 you in particular potential 387, 00:15:18,018 --> 00:15:21.011 provisions that you had in mind: 388 00:15:21,011, --> 00:15:23.009.

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If a provision of the charter 389 00:15:23,009, --> 00:15:24.019, were to get added that was 390, 00:15:24,019, --> 00:15:25.018, somehow in conflict with this, 391, 00:15:25,018, --> 00:15:28.024. How would that play out believe 392, 00:15:28,024, --> 00:15:30.013? The question makes sense: 393, 00:15:30,013, --> 00:15:33.000 attorney that to address that?

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394 00:15:33,000 -->, 00:15:35.026 yeah,, the language I proposed 395 00:15:35,026 --> 00:15:36.008 here, isn't certainly isn't 396 00:15:36,008 --> 00:15:39.025 final, and if there are 397 00:15:39,025 --> 00:15:40.022 recommendations that would 398 00:15:40,022 --> 00:15:43.017 conflict with this section or 399 00:15:43,017 --> 00:15:45.006 would require say, for example, 400 00:15:45,006 --> 00:15:47.000 example, section five hundred to 401, 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49.022 be amended,. We would probably 402 00:15:49,022 --> 00:15:52.024 have to modify this language 403 00:15:52,024 --> 00:15:54.024. Accordingly, in order to 404 00:15:54,024 --> 00:15:57.004 reconcile those issues.

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it all 405, 00:15:57,004, --> 00:15:59.015 depends on on what the other 406 00:15:59,015 --> 00:16:00.000 recommendations would be. the 407 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02.003 idea behind the notwithstanding 408 00:16:02,003 --> 00:16:04.028 language is to differentiate it. 409 00:16:04,028 --> 00:16:06.019 from the preceding paragraphs. 410, 00:16:06,019, --> 00:16:08.006.

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So in section four two, it talks: 411 00:16:08,006, --> 00:16:11.025 about no person, may be eligible 412, 00:16:11,025, --> 00:16:13.004 to run for election or serve 413 00:16:13,004 --> 00:16:15.010 four, two successive four year, 414 00:16:15,010 --> 00:16:16.022 terms, but we're creating a 415 00:16:16,022 --> 00:16:17.004 special exception for that 416, 00:16:17,004, -->, 00:16:22.023 purpose. Just for this. For this 417 00:16:22,023 --> 00:16:23.002, whoever is elected in twenty 418 00:16:23,002 --> 00:16:25.016, twenty two.. So that's that's 419, 00:16:25,016, -->, 00:16:26.008, the rationale for it.

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and I 420 00:16:26,008 --> 00:16:28.013, would also add, as I mentioned, 421 00:16:28,013 --> 00:16:29.010 language isn't final as I'm 422 00:16:29,010 --> 00:16:31.027. Looking at it now, one 423 00:16:31,027, --> 00:16:33.012 suggestion that I would add to 424 00:16:33,012 --> 00:16:35.021. The final language is in the 425 00:16:35,021 --> 00:16:37.025 last sentence where it says: 426 00:16:37,025, --> 00:16:38.003.

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However, the person holding the 427 00:16:38,003 --> 00:16:40.003 office of mayor as the 428 00:16:40,003 --> 00:16:41.000 incumbent for this two year, 429 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42.005 term, and I'm referring to 430 00:16:42,005 --> 00:16:44.013, section two is section: five: 431 00:16:44,013 --> 00:16:45.000 hundred, which are more or less 432 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:49.001 the same as the person holding 433 00:16:49,001 --> 00:16:50.011, the office of mayor as the 434 00:16:50,011 --> 00:16:51.010 incumbent for this two year, 435 00:16:51,010 --> 00:16:53.001 term may be eligible to run for 436, 00:16:53,001 --> 00:16:55.008 office and to serve for two 437 00:16:55,008 --> 00:16:56.023 additional successive four year, 438 00:16:56,023 -->, 00:16:57.011 terms..

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That was one thing I 439 00:16:57,011 --> 00:16:59.009. Think it's implied that if you 440 00:16:59,009 --> 00:17:01.007 can serve for a two year: term, 441 00:17:01,007, --> 00:17:02.018 another two year term. You could 442 00:17:02,018 --> 00:17:04.001 run for it., but I'm a big fan, 443 00:17:04,001 --> 00:17:06.014 of making the implied explicit 444 00:17:06,014 --> 00:17:07.015 we can.. So I just noticed that 445 00:17:07,015 --> 00:17:08.026 in that I would offer that 446 00:17:08,026 --> 00:17:10.014 change in the final version of 447 00:17:10,014 --> 00:17:15.015 this. thank you.

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and if I may, 448 00:17:15,015 --> 00:17:17.025 with with one other question: 449 00:17:17,025 --> 00:17:19.015, one of the pieces of the 450 00:17:19,015 --> 00:17:22.003 rationale of the commission in 451, 00:17:22,003, --> 00:17:25.008, advancing this language was 452 00:17:25,008, --> 00:17:27.029, recognizing that the concept 453 00:17:27,029 --> 00:17:29.002 had been discussed rather 454, 00:17:29,002 --> 00:17:32.025 thoroughly by the public in san 455, 00:17:32,025, --> 00:17:35.003, say as far as the council when 456 00:17:35,003 --> 00:17:37.001. This was proposed. The ballot 457 00:17:37,001 --> 00:17:40.004 initiative did.

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Did you look 458 00:17:40,004 --> 00:17:42.012 at all of what the language was: 459 00:17:42,012 --> 00:17:43.011 that was proposed on the ballot 460 00:17:43,011 --> 00:17:44.010 initiative, and how this 461 00:17:44,010 --> 00:17:47.028, compares or was not part of 462 00:17:47,028 --> 00:17:49.010, your process?. Are you 463 00:17:49,010, --> 00:17:51.005, referring to the fair elections, 464 00:17:51,005 --> 00:17:54.021 initiative?, correct.

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yeah,, I 465 00:17:54,021 --> 00:17:55.010 looked at that and this has 466 00:17:55,010 --> 00:17:57.026 come before the council on 467 00:17:57,026 --> 00:18:00.028 prior occasions, and so I 468 00:18:00,028 --> 00:18:01.007, looked at the fair elections, 469 00:18:01,007 -->, 00:18:05.020 initiative proposed and and and 470 00:18:05,020 --> 00:18:07.026 did apply some of that. but 471 00:18:07,026 --> 00:18:09.000.

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This language is different in a 472, 00:18:09,000, --> 00:18:14.014 few places and that's just the 473 00:18:14,014 --> 00:18:15.021 officer's preference to draft 474 00:18:15,021 --> 00:18:16.004, the language itself, when 475 00:18:16,004, --> 00:18:19.008 directed by the council to put 476 00:18:19,008 --> 00:18:26.015, something on the ballot. thank 477, 00:18:26,015 -->, 00:18:27.009 you, mr. metamora. any other 478 00:18:27,009 --> 00:18:32.004 questions, comments? all 479 00:18:32,004 -->, 00:18:34.021 right.. We will see..

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I was 480 00:18:34,021 --> 00:18:36.022, trying to hang back, but I do 481 00:18:36,022 --> 00:18:37.005 have another one., but but 482 00:18:37,005, --> 00:18:40.008, commissioner tran. First ok, now 483 00:18:40,008, --> 00:18:41.007. I have some hands up., so 484 00:18:41,007, --> 00:18:44.023. Commissioner, tran first and 485 00:18:44,023 --> 00:18:45.024. Thank you chair., a quick 486, 00:18:45,024 --> 00:18:47.027 question mark..

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Is there any 487, 00:18:47,027 --> 00:18:48.004, functional difference between 488 00:18:48,004 --> 00:18:50.010, the language that you drafted, 489 00:18:50,010, --> 00:18:53.011 in your memo versus what had 490 00:18:53,011 --> 00:18:54.022 kind of been previously 491 00:18:54,022 --> 00:18:55.006, considered as a fair election, 492 00:18:55,006, -->, 00:18:58.004, initiative? no,, I don't I 493 00:18:58,004 --> 00:18:59.003, don't believe! There's any 494, 00:18:59,003 --> 00:19:00.027 functional difference..

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I don't 495 00:19:00,027 --> 00:19:00.008 have the fair elections: 496 00:19:00,008 --> 00:19:02.003 initiative initiative off the 497 00:19:02,003 --> 00:19:04.026 top of my head or in front of 498 00:19:04,026 --> 00:19:05.014 me at the moment I don't recall: 499 00:19:05,014 --> 00:19:07.021 if they had a carve out for a 500, 00:19:07,021, --> 00:19:09.006 two year term, but functionally 501, 00:19:09,006 --> 00:19:11.021.

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It's the same: moving the 502 00:19:11,021 --> 00:19:13.001 election to twenty twenty four 503 00:19:13,001 --> 00:19:16.024 for the mayor and then we're 504, 00:19:16,024 --> 00:19:17.017, doing a swap with the odd 505 00:19:17,017 --> 00:19:19.021 number of districts and there 506 00:19:19,021 --> 00:19:20.021 were a few pieces that the fair 507 00:19:20,021 --> 00:19:23.021 elections initiative had covid 508, 00:19:23,021, --> 00:19:24.021, but functionally they're, the 509 00:19:24,021 --> 00:19:28.024 same.. Thank you mr. metamora. 510 00:19:28,024 --> 00:19:29.024 did you have a final question? 511 00:19:29,024 --> 00:19:36.015 yeah,?

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Given your note that 512 00:19:36,015 --> 00:19:38.012, there would be the possibility 513 00:19:38,012, --> 00:19:40.023, that other changes would 514. 00:19:40,023 --> 00:19:41.002 potentially come in conflict 515, 00:19:41,002 --> 00:19:44.000, with these proposed edits as 516 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46.013. Well as saying this is not 517 00:19:46,013, -->, 00:19:47.005, necessarily final language and 518 00:19:47,005 --> 00:19:49.011 you're, noticing that that piece, 519 00:19:49,011 --> 00:19:51.008 about the eligibility to run 520, 00:19:51,008 --> 00:19:53.026 and served four additional 521 00:19:53,026 --> 00:19:56.005 terms needing to be added. how 522 00:19:56,005 --> 00:19:59.020?

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Are you envisioning the process? 523 00:19:59,020 --> 00:20:02.008 from this point: forward? well,, 524, 00:20:02,008, --> 00:20:04.001. The way that it would work is 525 00:20:04,001, --> 00:20:06.017. The commission puts together a 526 00:20:06,017 --> 00:20:07.003 report or a recommendation to 527 00:20:07,003 --> 00:20:12.010, the city council, the outlining 528 00:20:12,010 --> 00:20:14.012, the policy goal and the city 529 00:20:14,012 --> 00:20:15.021 council will then provide 530, 00:20:15,021 --> 00:20:16.015 direction to the city, 531 00:20:16,015, --> 00:20:19.005 attorney's office. If it, if it 532, 00:20:19,005 --> 00:20:21.008, desired to draft a ballot.

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533 00:20:21,008, -->, 00:20:23.018 measure. the language here, 534 00:20:23,018, --> 00:20:25.015 would be what we would likely 535 00:20:25,015 --> 00:20:28.015 go forward with and then that 536 00:20:28,015 --> 00:20:29.010 would go to council at some 537 00:20:29,010 --> 00:20:31.014 point in the future for them to 538. 00:20:31,014 --> 00:20:33.004 then place on the ballot. If 539 00:20:33,004 --> 00:20:34.007, there are additional 540 00:20:34,007 --> 00:20:35.009 recommendations that come 541, 00:20:35,009, --> 00:20:37.029 forward.

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That would modify this 542 00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:38.027 in some regard., but one that 543 00:20:38,027, --> 00:20:40.006 stands out in my head would be 544 00:20:40,006, --> 00:20:43.010. It's not on the table but of 545 00:20:43,010 --> 00:20:46.018. For example. The mayor is 546 00:20:46,018 --> 00:20:47.002 supposed to be the 11th member 547 00:20:47,002 -->. 00:20:49.014 of the council.- if that were to 548 00:20:49,014 --> 00:20:51.009 not be the case, then we would 549 00:20:51,009 --> 00:20:52.015 need to make that change.

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550, 00:20:52,015, -->, 00:20:54.017 accordingly., but the council 551 00:20:54,017, --> 00:20:55.022- would then direct the city, 552 00:20:55,022 --> 00:20:56.019 attorney's office to draft the 553 00:20:56,019 --> 00:20:57.013 ballot measure, and we would 554 00:20:57,013 --> 00:20:59.011 come back with language, largely 555, 00:20:59,011 --> 00:21:01.019 like this, with a measure that 556 00:21:01,019 --> 00:21:10.002 it could put on the ballot..

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I 557 00:21:10,002 --> 00:21:12.018, see no other hand., so I'm going 558, 00:21:12,018 --> 00:21:14.017 to ask to go to public comment: 559 00:21:14,017, -->, 00:21:15.010 clerk and call the first 560 00:21:15,010 --> 00:21:22.024, speaker, tessa woodmansee. thank 561, 00:21:22,024 -->, 00:21:26.001, you. ok,. Thank you very much., 562 00:21:26,001 -->, 00:21:29.012 well,. You know the issue of 563 00:21:29,012 --> 00:21:30.016 when we're voting and all 564 00:21:30,016 --> 00:21:34.011.

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This stuff is the same as what 565 00:21:34,011 --> 00:21:36.027 I've been saying is that for us, 566, 00:21:36,027, --> 00:21:38.004, to be putting all of this 567 00:21:38,004 --> 00:21:41.014 attention towards politics and 568 00:21:41,014 --> 00:21:43.019 economics is where this is 569 00:21:43,019 --> 00:21:44.021, where our focus needs to 570 00:21:44,021, -->, 00:21:46.023 change.. We need to be focusing 571, 00:21:46,023, --> 00:21:48.009 on our climate crisis and blair, 572 00:21:48,009, --> 00:21:50.018 says it in terms of you, know, 573, 00:21:50,018, --> 00:21:51.014.

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When he talks about earthquake, 574, 00:21:51,014, -->, 00:21:53.004 preparedness- and I know what it 575 00:21:53,004 --> 00:21:55.013 is- is that we need to get 576 00:21:55,013, -->, 00:21:56.012 resilient.. We need to get 577, 00:21:56,012, --> 00:21:58.017, prepared for what's coming to 578 00:21:58,017 -->, 00:22:00.014 us and we're not focusing on 579 00:22:00,014 --> 00:22:04.025 that..

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So I appreciate jennifer 580 00:22:04,025 --> 00:22:05.029, saying yes, we're going to 581 00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:06.018 address another we're trying to 582 00:22:06,018 --> 00:22:08.019 put this forward quickly: 583 00:22:08,019 --> 00:22:10.018, because there is a deadline and 584 00:22:10,018, --> 00:22:12.002. It's all is again as our it's 585 00:22:12,002 --> 00:22:14.015 our focus on politics and 586, 00:22:14,015 --> 00:22:15.004 economics and we're seeing the 587 00:22:15,004 --> 00:22:17.029 same thing in terms of our 588 00:22:17,029 --> 00:22:18.020 federal government, focusing you 589 00:22:18,020 -->, 00:22:20.019 know,. We can't pass because 590 00:22:20,019 --> 00:22:21.008.

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Some of the democrats are 591 00:22:21,008, -->, 00:22:23.027, really focusing on economics, 592, 00:22:23,027, -->, 00:22:24.024, and so much of our economics. 593 00:22:24,024, --> 00:22:26.012 are tied up in fossil fuels., so 594 00:22:26,012, --> 00:22:28.013 we're not able to move forward, 595, 00:22:28,013, -->, 00:22:30.022 and so we're where our 596 00:22:30,022 --> 00:22:31.014 political, you know, our 597 00:22:31,014 --> 00:22:34.027 political attention needs to 598 00:22:34,027 --> 00:22:35.027, go away from politics and 599 00:22:35,027 --> 00:22:38.010 economics, and into our dealing 600 00:22:38,010 --> 00:22:40.027, with our climate crisis and 601 00:22:40,027 --> 00:22:42.016.

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It's all about physics and 602 00:22:42,016 -->, 00:22:44.025 engineering,. How we're you 603 00:22:44,025 --> 00:22:45.002 know,, where our numbers are 604, 00:22:45,002, -->, 00:22:47.004 right now, and the numbers are 605 00:22:47,004, --> 00:22:49.024, looking very bad, where you know 606 00:22:49,024, --> 00:22:52.023 it doesn't. Even. We need a a 607 00:22:52,023 --> 00:22:55.013, what it's called a controlled 608 00:22:55,013 -->, 00:22:57.024 demolition., but my husband, the 609 00:22:57,024 --> 00:22:58.008 biologist was just saying it. 610 00:22:58,008, --> 00:23:00.007 was way too late. Even for a 611 00:23:00,007 --> 00:23:02.020, controlled demolition is just 612.

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00:23:02,020 --> 00:23:03.000 going to go down. it's going to 613 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05.010 be a demolition because we're 614, 00:23:05,010 --> 00:23:06.027, not putting any attention: 615, 00:23:06,027, --> 00:23:07.007 towards it.. So whether or not 616 00:23:07,007 --> 00:23:09.023 we're voting in twenty twenty 617 00:23:09,023 --> 00:23:10.013. Four about all this stuff that 618 00:23:10,013 --> 00:23:12.014 we're we're putting our 619 00:23:12,014 --> 00:23:14.027 attention our monkey brain to 620 00:23:14,027 --> 00:23:15.021.

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We have to stop that and start 621 00:23:15,021 --> 00:23:18.015, focusing on the real threats to 622 00:23:18,015 -->, 00:23:21.015 us and put that as our priority 623 00:23:21,015 --> 00:23:23.015. To get our resiliency and 624 00:23:23,015 --> 00:23:25.000 sustainability going as quickly 625 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27.004 as possible and going to zero 626 00:23:27,004 --> 00:23:29.014 fossil fuel use every 627, 00:23:29,014 --> 00:23:35.016, buchannan jernigan and policy 628 00:23:35,016 --> 00:23:37.007 with work partnerships, usa, 629, 00:23:37,007, --> 00:23:39.025.

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First, just like to thank the 630 00:23:39,025 --> 00:23:40.006 commission for moving 631 00:23:40,006 --> 00:23:43.010 continuing to move this item.. I 632 00:23:43,010, --> 00:23:44.002, don't need to stress it's 633 00:23:44,002 --> 00:23:46.026 important, but thank you so much 634 00:23:46,026 --> 00:23:47.017 for all the action. Today. 635, 00:23:47,017, --> 00:23:50.010 moving quickly get this to our 636 00:23:50,010 --> 00:23:52.022 city council for consideration. 637 00:23:52,022 --> 00:23:53.015, particularly in light of the 638 00:23:53,015 --> 00:23:57.017 coming race for mayor and the 639 00:23:57,017 --> 00:23:58.018 republican candidates.

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640 00:23:58,018 --> 00:24:00.017, understand that this item, 641 00:24:00,017 --> 00:24:01.014, potentially, will be on the 642 00:24:01,014 --> 00:24:03.019 ballot, concurrently with some 643 00:24:03,019 --> 00:24:05.002 of those conversations. there 644 00:24:05,002, --> 00:24:07.015 are some questions about how 645 00:24:07,015 --> 00:24:10.014 this the proposed for the memo. 646 00:24:10,014 --> 00:24:11.017 that outlined the proposed 647 00:24:11,017 --> 00:24:13.001 changes by the city, attorney's 648, 00:24:13,001, -->, 00:24:16.007 office.

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it does someone who 649 00:24:16,007 --> 00:24:17.002 helped write the fair elections, 650 00:24:17,002 --> 00:24:19.010 initiative., it mimics the 651 00:24:19,010 --> 00:24:21.027 sections of that we looked at 652 00:24:21,027, --> 00:24:22.023 in terms of charter changes for 653 00:24:22,023 --> 00:24:24.004. That initiative is, as that was 654 00:24:24,004 --> 00:24:28.009, put forward as mr. mr. barney 655 00:24:28,009 --> 00:24:30.024 pointed out,. The one kind of 656 00:24:30,024 --> 00:24:31.027 difference in terms of language, 657, 00:24:31,027, -->, 00:24:32.003 or substantive difference would 658.

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00:24:32,003 --> 00:24:35.000 appear to be that the language 659 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:40.021 around serving additional terms. 660 00:24:40,021 --> 00:24:44.015, as opposed to, shall be able to 661 00:24:44,015 --> 00:24:48.009, be listed as it shall only be 662 00:24:48,009 --> 00:24:50.014 eligible to run for reelection 663, 00:24:50,014, --> 00:24:53.005, the office of mayor., so perhaps 664 00:24:53,005 --> 00:24:56.008 that I'm not sure if that has a 665, 00:24:56,008 --> 00:24:58.014 real impact, necessarily but 666 00:24:58,014 --> 00:25:00.026, it's worth looking at for mr.

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667 00:25:00,026 --> 00:25:02.020 banny, looking at that kind of a 668 00:25:02,020 --> 00:25:04.022 language change, just to clarify 669 00:25:04,022 --> 00:25:06.027, rather than serving it's about 670 00:25:06,027 --> 00:25:08.019, the eligibility to run for the 671 00:25:08,019 --> 00:25:12.017 office in those two successive 672 00:25:12,017 --> 00:25:14.029 four year terms.. So thank you. 673 00:25:14,029, -->, 00:25:15.021, so much. hope that you approve 674 00:25:15,021 --> 00:25:25.015 this tonight, chaffe bustamante, 675 00:25:25,015 --> 00:25:28.012. Can you hear me? yes, yes.

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676, 00:25:28,012, -->, 00:25:30.018, chupa bustamante from latinos 677, 00:25:30,018, -->, 00:25:32.006, united for new america? Also 678 00:25:32,006, -->, 00:25:35.022 known as liuna.. I support the 679 00:25:35,022 --> 00:25:36.010 charter review, commission 680, 00:25:36,010 --> 00:25:38.013, approving the recommendation to 681 00:25:38,013 --> 00:25:40.012 transition, the general election 682 00:25:40,012, --> 00:25:42.012 to presidential election 683 00:25:42,012, -->, 00:25:44.000 cycles.. This recommendation, 684 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47.026, would benefit our community by 685 00:25:47,026 --> 00:25:48.022, creating a more representative 686 00:25:48,022 --> 00:25:51.019 electorate.

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lunna and manickam 687 00:25:51,019 --> 00:25:53.009 unique groups that for years, 688 00:25:53,009 --> 00:25:55.012 had been working to make our 689 00:25:55,012 --> 00:25:57.023 democracy, more inclusive, 690, 00:25:57,023, --> 00:25:58.017 support the fair elections, 691 00:25:58,017 --> 00:26:00.024 initiative, because we believe 692 00:26:00,024, --> 00:26:01.006 that increasing voter 693 00:26:01,006 -->. 00:26:04.017 participation is essential to 694 00:26:04,017 --> 00:26:07.003, our democratic held by moving 695 00:26:07,003 --> 00:26:09.011 major elections to presidential 696 00:26:09,011 --> 00:26:11.002 election years.

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It will increase 697, 00:26:11,002 --> 00:26:13.005, voter turnout by thirty to 698 00:26:13,005, --> 00:26:15.005 thirty, five percent young 699 00:26:15,005 --> 00:26:17.017 people of color,, low wage 700, 00:26:17,017, -->, 00:26:18.007 workers and renters will 701 00:26:18,007 --> 00:26:21.002 comprise a much larger share of 702 00:26:21,002 --> 00:26:23.002, the electorate.. As a result, 703 00:26:23,002 --> 00:26:25.023, the initiative will ensure that 704 00:26:25,023 --> 00:26:26.016 voters will choose a major 705 00:26:26,016 --> 00:26:28.018 would more accurately reflect 706, 00:26:28,018, --> 00:26:30.018, the city of san jose and I 707 00:26:30,018 --> 00:26:31.029.

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Looked at the charter review 708 00:26:31,029 --> 00:26:32.011 commission approved sending 709 00:26:32,011 --> 00:26:34.005 this recommendation to city 710, 00:26:34,005 --> 00:26:36.011 council and continues to 711 00:26:36,011 --> 00:26:37.014, promote the democratic 712 00:26:37,014 --> 00:26:38.016 participation of the 713 00:26:38,016 --> 00:26:42.000 communities in san jose. thank 714, 00:26:42,000, -->, 00:26:47.011, mayor bettmann.. I thank you. 715 00:26:47,011 -->, 00:26:49.011 blair, beekman mayor,. Thank you, 716 00:26:49,011, --> 00:26:50.023 for the words of the previous 717 00:26:50,023 --> 00:26:51.004 speaker.. Thank you for the 718 00:26:51,004 --> 00:26:54.000 words of tessa, who I thought.

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719 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55.026 offered some interesting 720 00:26:55,026 --> 00:26:58.011 concepts, as this is about 721 00:26:58,011, --> 00:27:02.019 issues of changing the 722 00:27:02,019 --> 00:27:04.023 election cycle., I'm very much 723 00:27:04,023 --> 00:27:07.022 for it.. I have concerns that 724 00:27:07,022 --> 00:27:08.007, there's going to be a lot of 725 00:27:08,007, --> 00:27:10.021 new money involved in the 726 00:27:10,021 --> 00:27:13.018 process..

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I think you've made 727 00:27:13,018 --> 00:27:16.023, some early steps to address 728, 00:27:16,023, -->, 00:27:18.003, future election cycles and 729 00:27:18,003 --> 00:27:21.016 issues and you've taken a 730, 00:27:21,016, --> 00:27:22.010, real interesting approach to 731 00:27:22,010 --> 00:27:24.016, the subject that really reminds 732 00:27:24,016 --> 00:27:26.024 ourselves. I think I hope you're 733 00:27:26,024 --> 00:27:27.022, considering the concepts of 734 00:27:27,022, --> 00:27:30.012, open democracy at this time and 735 00:27:30,012 --> 00:27:32.010 how it can connect to the city, 736 00:27:32,010, -->, 00:27:34.021 charter process..

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We may not be 737 00:27:34,021, --> 00:27:35.025 doing a few things in the next 738 00:27:35,025 --> 00:27:38.010 few years.. Boy,. Can someone can 739 00:27:38,010 --> 00:27:42.013 someone mean thank you., we may 740 00:27:42,013 --> 00:27:43.006 not be able to be doing a few 741 00:27:43,006 --> 00:27:45.025 things in the next few years: 742 00:27:45,025, --> 00:27:46.005, but by the end of this decade, 743 00:27:46,005, -->, 00:27:49.001, and into by the time we have a 744 00:27:49,001 --> 00:27:51.012 next charter process,.

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I think 745 00:27:51,012 --> 00:27:52.018, there's going to be some very 746, 00:27:52,018 --> 00:27:53.016, interesting changes.. How are we 747 00:27:53,016 --> 00:27:55.016 talking about the future of 748 00:27:55,016 --> 00:27:57.010, community democracy? and 749 00:27:57,010 --> 00:28:00.018? It's it's participation of its 750 00:28:00,018 -->, 00:28:03.002 community persons. you so we 751, 00:28:03,002 --> 00:28:05.006, have to consider how we develop 752, 00:28:05,006, --> 00:28:06.003, the future of the election, 753 00:28:06,003, --> 00:28:08.004 cycle process and what exactly 754, 00:28:08,004 --> 00:28:09.022 that will mean.

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and I think 755 00:28:09,022 --> 00:28:10.010 you're, taking some steps., I 756 00:28:10,010, --> 00:28:12.022, hope you make those steps more 757, 00:28:12,022, -->, 00:28:14.022, open and clear in your final 758 00:28:14,022 --> 00:28:16.018 proposals. it'll be interesting, 759, 00:28:16,018, --> 00:28:20.029 to read about, and we have 760 00:28:20,029 --> 00:28:22.001, actually a good future. If we 761 00:28:22,001 --> 00:28:24.005 want to work. you know, the 762 00:28:24,005 -->, 00:28:25.015 surveillance and technology, 763, 00:28:25,015, -->, 00:28:26.029, audience ideas, I've explained 764 00:28:26,029, --> 00:28:27.019 many times is given from the 765 00:28:27,019 --> 00:28:30.012 aclu..

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It gives incredibly good 766 00:28:30,012 --> 00:28:32.014 guidelines about what to really 767 00:28:32,014 --> 00:28:34.017, expect of our future and what 768 00:28:34,017 --> 00:28:36.028. We can really work towards an 769 00:28:36,028, --> 00:28:38.018, open,, peaceful,, sustainable 770, 00:28:38,018, -->, 00:28:41.012, future ideas and responsible 771 00:28:41,012 -->, 00:28:43.005, good luck and honor in our 772 00:28:43,005 --> 00:28:45.002 efforts and what you're doing 773 00:28:45,002 --> 00:28:48.007 with this item. thanks, 774 00:28:48,007, -->, 00:28:54.024 roland.. So let's see how much 775 00:28:54,024 --> 00:28:57.017 trouble.

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I can get you here., so 776 00:28:57,017, --> 00:28:59.004 in the interest of fairness, 777 00:28:59,004 --> 00:29:02.023, I'm going to continue 778 00:29:02,023 --> 00:29:05.006, advocating for giving the 779 00:29:05,006 --> 00:29:08.001 incumbent mayor the same 780, 00:29:08,001 --> 00:29:13.007 opportunity as his successor, 781 00:29:13,007, --> 00:29:16.004 and, quite frankly, you follow 782 00:29:16,004 --> 00:29:19.007, the press..

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The next mayor is 783, 00:29:19,007, --> 00:29:22.010, going to be syndicated with or 784 00:29:22,010 --> 00:29:25.022, without the support of carl 785 00:29:25,022 --> 00:29:27.029 guardino, or with or without 786 00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:29.026 having to wait for an election 787 00:29:29,026 --> 00:29:33.018 cycle that coincides with the 788 00:29:33,018 --> 00:29:37.012 presidential election.. So let 789 00:29:37,012 --> 00:29:40.025 me just wrap up here: 790 00:29:40,025, -->, 00:29:41.028 personally.. I think cindy 791 00:29:41,028 --> 00:29:42.029 chavez is going to be a 792 00:29:42,029, -->, 00:29:45.029, wonderful, mayor., but then again, 793 00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:47.000.

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As things stand, next year, 794 00:29:47,000, --> 00:29:49.005 things are going to be a really 795 00:29:49,005 --> 00:29:51.027 boring because she's most 796 00:29:51,027 --> 00:29:53.012, probably going to be elected in 797, 00:29:53,012, --> 00:29:55.025, the first round.. So I'm going 798 00:29:55,025 --> 00:29:56.010 to leave that with you. you go 799 00:29:56,010, --> 00:29:58.012 ahead with your recommendation. 800 00:29:58,012, --> 00:29:59.028. I know what I would be: 801 00:29:59,028, --> 00:30:00.021 recommending to council.- thank 802, 00:30:00,021, -->, 00:30:11.024, you,, tamlin and myself.

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thank 803, 00:30:11,024, --> 00:30:13.014, you, commissioners, for your hard 804, 00:30:13,014, --> 00:30:16.021 work on these important issues. 805 00:30:16,021, --> 00:30:18.009. I remember the last time the 806 00:30:18,009 --> 00:30:21.026 subcommittee, chair johnson, made 807 00:30:21,026 --> 00:30:24.025 a report and that report the 808 00:30:24,025 --> 00:30:27.020 does in fact reflect a large 809 00:30:27,020 --> 00:30:29.016 audience,, especially the 810 00:30:29,016 --> 00:30:33.025 american audience on behalf of 811 00:30:33,025 --> 00:30:35.013, the foundation..

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When we did the 812 00:30:35,013 --> 00:30:37.021 outreach within the past three 813 00:30:37,021 --> 00:30:38.006 months to three months with the 814 00:30:38,006 --> 00:30:41.027, four meetings and other social 815 00:30:41,027 -->, 00:30:43.016, media events. We heard that the 816 00:30:43,016 --> 00:30:45.015 same thing: a lot of people, 817, 00:30:45,015, --> 00:30:47.008, don't really agree with the 818 00:30:47,008 --> 00:30:51.014 moving, because what we we talk: 819 00:30:51,014, --> 00:30:53.020 about we're just moving the 820 00:30:53,020 --> 00:30:55.018 election around the bush.

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As if 821 00:30:55,018 --> 00:30:58.007, a teacher in a class decided to 822 00:30:58,007 --> 00:31:00.021 drop the small group and go to 823 00:31:00,021 --> 00:31:02.014, the larger crowd.. We are not 824, 00:31:02,014, --> 00:31:05.007, creating we not increasing the 825 00:31:05,007 --> 00:31:07.027 vote this election.. I would 826 00:31:07,027 --> 00:31:08.026 like to hear more. But then I 827, 00:31:08,026, --> 00:31:10.017, didn't hear anything else. So I 828 00:31:10,017 --> 00:31:12.017 thought the commission.

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We would 829 00:31:12,017 --> 00:31:13.021, like a commission to pay 830 00:31:13,021 --> 00:31:15.008 attention to the reason of the 831 00:31:15,008 --> 00:31:18.005, low turnout of the non 832 00:31:18,005 --> 00:31:20.013 presidential year and put 833 00:31:20,013 --> 00:31:22.022 effort in more educated for the 834 00:31:22,022 --> 00:31:24.002. Last couple months, when I tried 835 00:31:24,002 --> 00:31:26.021 our research, we have such a 836 00:31:26,021 --> 00:31:28.028 hard time reaching out to poor 837, 00:31:28,028, -->, 00:31:30.008 and senior people.. We we have 838 00:31:30,008 --> 00:31:33.028 to go to the.

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How do you do with 839 00:31:33,028 --> 00:31:36.023, your resume?, so anyway, long, 840, 00:31:36,023, -->, 00:31:38.015 story short,. I really ask the 841 00:31:38,015 --> 00:31:40.011 commission to at least put an 842 00:31:40,011 --> 00:31:43.015 agenda that issue up, why this 843 00:31:43,015 --> 00:31:45.010 low turnout and how to increase 844 00:31:45,010 --> 00:31:47.027 instead running around and beat 845 00:31:47,027 --> 00:31:48.024 around the bush, and I hope that 846 00:31:48,024 --> 00:31:50.019. You will adopt the report from 847 00:31:50,019 --> 00:31:53.009, the committee, because mr.

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848 00:31:53,009 --> 00:31:59.025 johnson, thank you, christa 849 00:31:59,025 --> 00:32:06.015 dimitar torreon, hello., my 850 00:32:06,015 --> 00:32:08.012 name's chris daltry and I'm 851 00:32:08,012 --> 00:32:09.004 from the south bay labor, 852, 00:32:09,004, -->. 00:32:11.014. Council.- I support the charter. 853 00:32:11,014 --> 00:32:12.000 review commission approving the 854 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14.003 recommendation to transition 855 00:32:14,003 --> 00:32:15.000, the mayoral election to 856 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17.002 presidential election cycles. 857 00:32:17,002, --> 00:32:18.008.

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This recommendation would 858 00:32:18,008 --> 00:32:19.018 benefit our community by 859 00:32:19,018, --> 00:32:20.023, creating a more representative 860, 00:32:20,023, -->, 00:32:22.008 electorate and an era of 861 00:32:22,008 -->, 00:32:24.014 rampant and an era of rampant 862 00:32:24,014 --> 00:32:25.013, voter suppression across the 863 00:32:25,013 --> 00:32:26.024 country that threatens a 864 00:32:26,024 -->, 00:32:27.002 political voice of communities, 865 00:32:27,002, -->, 00:32:29.011 of color.. We must take this 866 00:32:29,011 --> 00:32:30.008 opportunity to make our local 867 00:32:30,008 --> 00:32:32.007 democratic process, accessible 868, 00:32:32,007, --> 00:32:34.021 to everyone.

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san jose state 869, 00:32:34,021 --> 00:32:35.027 political scientist found the 870 00:32:35,027 --> 00:32:36.026, fair election initiative to be 871, 00:32:36,026 --> 00:32:37.006, the single most effective 872 00:32:37,006 --> 00:32:39.008 policy for increasing voter 873 00:32:39,008 --> 00:32:41.004 turnout.. I helped with the 874 00:32:41,004 --> 00:32:42.027 charter review. Commission 875, 00:32:42,027 --> 00:32:42.011 approved sending this 876 00:32:42,011 --> 00:32:44.018 recommendation to city council 877, 00:32:44,018 --> 00:32:45.012 continues to promote the 878 00:32:45,012 --> 00:32:47.000 democratic participation of the 879 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49.009 communities in san jose..

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We 880, 00:32:49,009, --> 00:32:50.018 must work together to remove 881 00:32:50,018 --> 00:32:51.021 every possible barrier to 882 00:32:51,021 --> 00:32:52.025 voting in order to facilitate 883 00:32:52,025 --> 00:32:53.007, the highest level of voter 884 00:32:53,007 --> 00:32:55.006 participation.. Thank you so 885 00:32:55,006, -->, 00:33:02.000 much.. Back to the commission.- 886 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04.023 thank you. I'll call the 887 00:33:04,023 --> 00:33:05.017 questions. The clerk will take 888, 00:33:05,017, --> 00:33:08.002, the role and any commissioners 889 00:33:08,002 --> 00:33:10.004 that have come in late.. I think 890 00:33:10,004 --> 00:33:12.016.

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This one will be picked up in 891 00:33:12,016 --> 00:33:15.019, the attendance as well as both 892 00:33:15,019 --> 00:33:18.000. The vote to a yes vote is to 893 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20.019 support the recommendation of 894 00:33:20,019 --> 00:33:21.005, the subcommittee that 895 00:33:21,005 --> 00:33:24.009, commissioner percival 896 00:33:24,009 --> 00:33:27.015 summarized a no vote is to not 897 00:33:27,015 --> 00:33:28.005, send this recommendation. 898 00:33:28,005, --> 00:33:30.016 forward to the council.- the 899 00:33:30,016 --> 00:33:33.022 clerk will take the role 900 00:33:33,022 --> 00:33:38.005 marshman, yes., kristina, johnson 901 00:33:38,005 --> 00:33:44.002 yes.

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elizabeth mondli., yes. 902 00:33:44,002 --> 00:33:48.003 tomorrow to clarify advance 903, 00:33:48,003 --> 00:33:50.001. Both the memo and attorney 904 00:33:50,001 -->, 00:33:52.006 varney's. The language is that 905 00:33:52,006 --> 00:33:55.021 correct?. It's to advance the 906 00:33:55,021 --> 00:33:56.008 memo with the with the 907 00:33:56,008 --> 00:33:58.014 attachment of the language 908 00:33:58,014 --> 00:34:00.008. Although the language is not 909, 00:34:00,008 --> 00:34:02.019, the language is only the draft 910 00:34:02,019 --> 00:34:03.019 language.. So it's not saying 911 00:34:03,019 --> 00:34:04.019 that this is the exact 912 00:34:04,019 --> 00:34:05.017 language..

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It's the draft 913 00:34:05,017 -->, 00:34:07.009 language. That's going with this 914 00:34:07,009 --> 00:34:10.001 memo.! Thank you for that. and 915 00:34:10,001 -->, 00:34:17.016, yes,, rico, callendar, eric,, first 916 00:34:17,016, -->, 00:34:24.002 of all yes., jorge sanchez. We 917 00:34:24,002 --> 00:34:30.005 tran, yes., jeremy verus; yes, 918 00:34:30,005, --> 00:34:36.001; they posadas yes. lunda.

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I 919 00:34:36,001 --> 00:34:40.015, lizotte yes., louise brazil, 920 00:34:40,015, --> 00:34:45.015; yes, magnolia's; yes, reappointed, 921, 00:34:45,015, --> 00:34:52.012; first, yes, we robledo best 922 00:34:52,012 --> 00:34:59.028 carry sagara; yes, ti tran, yes, 923 00:34:59,028, -->, 00:35:03.025 tobin, yeomen, no veronica 924, 00:35:03,025, -->, 00:35:15.002 amanor, yes, dongzhou, 925, 00:35:15,002, -->, 00:35:19.001 motion pashtoons, thank you., 926, 00:35:19,001, --> 00:35:20.007 thank you., two members of the 927 00:35:20,007 --> 00:35:21.008 commission members of the 928 00:35:21,008 --> 00:35:23.007 public are speaking to this 929 00:35:23,007 --> 00:35:25.013 issue and congratulations to 930 00:35:25,013 --> 00:35:27.017, the commission.

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On start, your 931 00:35:27,017 --> 00:35:28.015 first recommendation, the 932 00:35:28,015 --> 00:35:31.005 council is, is it's done? That's 933, 00:35:31,005 --> 00:35:35.022 us yes.. Let's move to our next 934 00:35:35,022 --> 00:35:37.005 item, which is the discussion of 935 00:35:37,005 --> 00:35:39.012, possible excellent governance, 936 00:35:39,012 --> 00:35:40.016 structure and the 937 00:35:40,016 --> 00:35:42.019 subcommittee's, recommendations., 938, 00:35:42,019, -->, 00:35:44.010 again,.

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If there's any changes, 939 00:35:44,010, -->, 00:35:47.025 or additions, recommendations, 940 00:35:47,025, --> 00:35:49.001 that you feel they'll be read: 941 00:35:49,001, --> 00:35:52.008 again tonight, just as the 942 00:35:52,008 --> 00:35:53.009 actual recommendation is not 943. 00:35:53,009 --> 00:35:55.010 the full memo again: there's 944 00:35:55,010 --> 00:35:57.003 four pieces, so we're going to 945 00:35:57,003 --> 00:35:59.008 have a discussion of each 946 00:35:59,008 -->, 00:36:01.014 recommendation. I'd. Ask 947. 00:36:01,014 --> 00:36:02.006 encourage commissioners to 948. 00:36:02,006 --> 00:36:04.009 share your position, especially 949 00:36:04,009 --> 00:36:05.006.

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While you may not vote for 950 00:36:05,006 --> 00:36:08.005, something our only vote. If to 951 00:36:08,005 --> 00:36:10.004 make sure that you have the 952 00:36:10,004 --> 00:36:11.003 subcommittee gets the 953 00:36:11,003 --> 00:36:13.009 information that they need. Any 954, 00:36:13,009 --> 00:36:14.002 friendly amendments, you might 955 00:36:14,002 --> 00:36:16.014, be wanting to make and then 956 00:36:16,014 --> 00:36:18.015 we'll do the provisional voting 957 00:36:18,015 --> 00:36:20.020 discussion, tonight.

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we'll be in 958 00:36:20,020 -->, 00:36:22.013, light of the public hearing, the 959 00:36:22,013 --> 00:36:25.025 public feedback as well and 960 00:36:25,025 --> 00:36:27.002 we'll have that at this point. 961 00:36:27,002 --> 00:36:29.011. Mr. fuentes,, did you have a 962 00:36:29,011 --> 00:36:34.008 question? yes, thank you.. I 963 00:36:34,008 --> 00:36:39.018 just want to comment on on the 964 00:36:39,018 --> 00:36:43.021, item d, with with respect to the 965 00:36:43,021 --> 00:36:45.012 recommendation on the emergency 966 00:36:45,012 --> 00:36:48.027 powers of the mayor and first 967 00:36:48,027 -->. 00:36:51.007 of all.

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I want to explain that I 968 00:36:51,007 --> 00:36:54.020 had requested, but I guess I got 969 00:36:54,020 --> 00:36:55.014 my request in too late that I 970 00:36:55,014 --> 00:36:57.016 wanted to make sure that we had 971 00:36:57,016 --> 00:37:00.026, somebody from the the office of 972 00:37:00,026, -->, 00:37:03.022, emergency services, management, 973, 00:37:03,022, -->, 00:37:07.009, come to to our meeting and 974 00:37:07,009.

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--≫ 00:37:10.012 actually be able to to explain 975 00:37:10,012 --> 00:37:13.004 to us how how the how they 976 00:37:13,004 --> 00:37:16.012 handle emergencies because our 977 00:37:16,012 --> 00:37:18.026 commission, our subcommittee had 978 00:37:18,026 --> 00:37:20.004 a lot of discussion regarding 979 00:37:20,004, --> 00:37:22.008 this this particular 980 00:37:22,008 --> 00:37:24.028 recommendation, but we never had 981 00:37:24,028 --> 00:37:25.002 the opportunity to really be 982.

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00:37:25,002 --> 00:37:30.020, informed as to where you how 983 00:37:30,020 --> 00:37:31.017 things are done at the office 984 00:37:31,017, --> 00:37:33.001, and how this might this 985 00:37:33,001 --> 00:37:35.003 recommendation might impact 986, 00:37:35,003 --> 00:37:37.000, what we already have in place. 987, 00:37:37,000, --> 00:37:40.027, so again, as I as I mentioned, 988 00:37:40,027 --> 00:37:41.013. I put in this request last 989 00:37:41,013 --> 00:37:43.023.

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While I guess it was forget: 990 00:37:43,023, --> 00:37:45.009, which day I maybe on thursday 991 00:37:45,009 --> 00:37:47.009, and learned that it was too 992 00:37:47,009 --> 00:37:49.012 late to get in on today's 993 00:37:49,012 --> 00:37:52.018 agenda to have a speaker to 994 00:37:52,018, --> 00:37:53.007 actually present to the 995 00:37:53,007. --≫. 00:37:55.024- commission.- and I hope that we 996 00:37:55,024 --> 00:37:57.012 can wait until we have the 997 00:37:57,012 --> 00:38:00.020 speaker present. First before we 998 00:38:00,020 --> 00:38:01.012 take action on this really 999 00:38:01,012 --> 00:38:04.007, important recommendation.

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and 1000 00:38:04,007 --> 00:38:05.016 thank you, commissioner, for 1001 00:38:05,016, -->, 00:38:06.014 this.. I think at this point I'm 1002 00:38:06,014 --> 00:38:08.029, going to ask for the four items: 1003 00:38:08,029 --> 00:38:09.013 to come up and it's going to 1004 00:38:09,013 --> 00:38:11.011 facilitate that., so your 1005 00:38:11,011 --> 00:38:13.005 discussion point will be taken: 1006 00:38:13,005, --> 00:38:14.016. As we look at that 1007 00:38:14,016, -->, 00:38:16.013 recommendation,, I'm not sure 1008, 00:38:16,013 --> 00:38:17.016 that we're going to have any 1009 00:38:17,016 --> 00:38:18.009 more speakers.

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By look at the 1010 00:38:18,009 --> 00:38:20.022 calendar.. We go over the work, 1011 00:38:20,022 --> 00:38:21.028 plan so that maybe a speaker, 1012 00:38:21,028 -->, 00:38:22.024, that the subcommittee wants to 1013 00:38:22,024 --> 00:38:24.019, hear but we'll talk about that. 1014 00:38:24,019, --> 00:38:26.002. When we get to the workplan 1015 00:38:26,002 --> 00:38:29.005 revision say that we're making 1016 00:38:29,005 --> 00:38:30.002 lowrance I'll turn it over to 1017 00:38:30,002 --> 00:38:35.002 you. great.

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thank you, chair, so 1018 00:38:35,002 --> 00:38:38.010 we've got four recommendation: 1019 00:38:38,010 --> 00:38:39.000 memos that the governance 1020 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41.014 structure subcommittee has 1021 00:38:41,014 --> 00:38:42.002 presented.. They were originally 1022. 00:38:42,002 --> 00:38:45.022, presented on september 20th at 1023, 00:38:45,022 --> 00:38:46.022, a full commission meeting and 1024 00:38:46,022 --> 00:38:48.000 then were presented to fergin 1025 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51.024 for initial discussion..

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They 1026 00:38:51,024, --> 00:38:52.012, were a few of them were, were 1027 00:38:52,012 --> 00:38:54.025, revised and presented all of 1028 00:38:54,025 --> 00:38:55.004 them were presented again: 1029 00:38:55,004 --> 00:38:57.006 during the public hearing on 1030 00:38:57,006 --> 00:38:59.028 saturday, september, twenty 1031 00:38:59,028, -->, 00:39:00.002 fifth, and we're hearing them 1032 00:39:00,002 --> 00:39:04.021, now to discuss the feedback. 1033 00:39:04,021 --> 00:39:05.026 that we heard that you heard 1034 00:39:05,026 --> 00:39:06.023 during the public hearing, 1035 00:39:06,023, --> 00:39:08.016 anything else. That's come up so 1036 00:39:08,016, --> 00:39:11.022, we'll.

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As far as this process is 1037 00:39:11,022 --> 00:39:14.024 concerned,, we will hear from 1038 00:39:14,024 --> 00:39:18.019 the the original speaker from 1039 00:39:18,019 --> 00:39:19.009. The subcommittee who 1040 00:39:19,009 --> 00:39:22.022, presented the recommendation. 1041 00:39:22,022 --> 00:39:24.018 memo. What we love here for you, 1042 00:39:24,018 --> 00:39:26.018 to do- is to to summarize the 1043 00:39:26,018 --> 00:39:29.001 memo, again. excuse, me.

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and if 1044 00:39:29,001, --> 00:39:32.019 there's any revisions or any 1045 00:39:32,019 --> 00:39:33.002 additional considerations that 1046 00:39:33,002 --> 00:39:35.012 have come up since this was 1047 00:39:35,012 --> 00:39:38.017 last heard on september 20th 1048 00:39:38,017 --> 00:39:39.023. During the last full commission, 1049 00:39:39,023 --> 00:39:41.020 meeting to to share those and 1050 00:39:41,020 --> 00:39:43.017. What we'll do is we will have 1051 00:39:43,017, --> 00:39:45.009 discussion and we will do 1052, 00:39:45,009, -->, 00:39:47.017, provisional voting for these 1053 00:39:47,017 --> 00:39:49.017 recommendations and what we as 1054 00:39:49,017 --> 00:39:50.021.

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We did for the voting and 1055 00:39:50,021 --> 00:39:52.020 election recommendations, we'd 1056 00:39:52,020 --> 00:39:53.024 like to get a sense from 1057 00:39:53,024, --> 00:39:54.014 commissioners, whether or not 1058 00:39:54,014 --> 00:39:57.028. There is an interest in 1059 00:39:57,028, --> 00:39:59.027, moving these four 1060 00:39:59,027 --> 00:40:03.007 recommendations forward to the 1061 00:40:03,007 --> 00:40:05.023, further consideration and or 1062 00:40:05,023 --> 00:40:07.005 revision by the commission, 1063 00:40:07,005 -->, 00:40:11.015 kind of jumping ahead here., but 1064 00:40:11,015, --> 00:40:13.010.

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Our next commission meeting is 1065 00:40:13,010 --> 00:40:16.005 on monday, october 18th and at 1066 00:40:16,005 --> 00:40:18.013.

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That time we have additional 1067, 00:40:18,013 --> 00:40:21.024 time to discuss the voting and 1068 00:40:21,024 --> 00:40:22.027 election recommendation that 1069 00:40:22,027 --> 00:40:23.006 have been heard up to this 1070 00:40:23,006 --> 00:40:25.005 point as well as the governance, 1071 00:40:25,005 --> 00:40:26.023 structure subcommittee, 1072, 00:40:26,023 --> 00:40:27.020, recommendations that are up to 1073 00:40:27,020 --> 00:40:29.016 this point and to do the 1074 00:40:29,016 --> 00:40:30.023 final voting on those 1075 00:40:30,023 --> 00:40:31.002 recommendations so that we can 1076 00:40:31,002 --> 00:40:34.003, keep moving forward and allow 1077 00:40:34,003 --> 00:40:36.013 time for the policing, 1078 00:40:36,013, -->, 00:40:37.000, municipal law, accountability, 1079, 00:40:37,000, -->, 00:40:39.004 and inclusion subcommittee to 1080 00:40:39,004 --> 00:40:41.002 share their recommendations, 1081 00:40:41,002 --> 00:40:43.020 later in october, and that 1082 00:40:43,020 --> 00:40:44.014 our final public hearing and 1083 00:40:44,014 --> 00:40:46.009, then into november..

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So that's 1084, 00:40:46,009 --> 00:40:49.008. What we'll do tonight.? We will 1085 00:40:49,008 --> 00:40:50.011 and in the process, is going 1086, 00:40:50,011 --> 00:40:51.009, to be similar to what we've 1087 00:40:51,009 --> 00:40:53.006 we've shared in the past. we 1088 00:40:53,006, --> 00:40:55.012 will have the presentation from 1089 00:40:55,012 --> 00:40:56.020 the commissioner as mentioned. 1090 00:40:56,020 --> 00:40:59.027.

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We will, as the chair 1091 00:40:59,027 --> 00:41:00.002 mentioned,, encourage 1092 00:41:00,002 --> 00:41:03.009 commissioners to share their 1093 00:41:03,009 --> 00:41:05.009 position, whether you support it, 1094 00:41:05,009, --> 00:41:06.016, and if you don't support it, 1095, 00:41:06,016, --> 00:41:07.014, why you don't support it and 1096 00:41:07,014 --> 00:41:08.028 how you would be able to 1097 00:41:08,028 --> 00:41:10.015 support it and we hear from 1098 00:41:10,015 --> 00:41:12.024 the public for their comments.

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1099 00:41:12,024 --> 00:41:13.017 on this recommendation and then 1100 00:41:13,017 --> 00:41:16.026, we'll do provisional voting for 1101 00:41:16,026 --> 00:41:17.006 each recommendation so we'll 1102, 00:41:17,006 --> 00:41:20.011 cycle through each one with 1103 00:41:20,011 --> 00:41:23.020 that mind. we will start with 1104 00:41:23,020 --> 00:41:27.000, commissioner mitsuki and the 1105 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:31.027 review of the the city 1106 00:41:31,027 --> 00:41:32.015 charter by future charter, 1107 00:41:32,015, --> 00:41:35.018 commissioners mission, maisky, 1108, 00:41:35,018, -->, 00:41:41.026, absent, ok, yeah got it right., so 1109 00:41:41,026, --> 00:41:43.016 there.

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Anybody on the 1110, 00:41:43,016 -->, 00:41:44.019 governance structure, 1111 00:41:44,019, -->, 00:41:45.007 subcommittee, that will be 1112 00:41:45,007 --> 00:41:48.019 willing to to share a recap of 1113 00:41:48,019 --> 00:42:02.028 that recommendation? mr. 1114 00:42:02,028 --> 00:42:06.023 johnson. Thank you chair.. I can 1115 00:42:06,023 --> 00:42:08.020 share a quick summary of 1116 00:42:08,020 --> 00:42:09.027, commissioner maisky 1117 00:42:09,027 --> 00:42:13.029 recommendation from keep.. What 1118 00:42:13,029 --> 00:42:16.019 he's recommending is that we do 1119 00:42:16,019 --> 00:42:19.012 implement regular, a more 1120 00:42:19,012, --> 00:42:21.002, regular review of the charter. 1121 00:42:21,002 --> 00:42:25.018.

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I believe that every ten years 1122 00:42:25,018 --> 00:42:26.019 and then we do it right before 1123 00:42:26,019, --> 00:42:28.018, the census.. My subcommittee 1124 00:42:28,018 --> 00:42:30.011 members can correct me if I'm 1125, 00:42:30,011, --> 00:42:34.004 missing anything wrong and that 1126 00:42:34,004 --> 00:42:36.005 from our discussion that we do 1127 00:42:36,005 --> 00:42:39.003 want to allow commission 1128, 00:42:39,003, --> 00:42:42.011 members to put something 1129: 00:42:42,011 --> 00:42:43.018, that's on the ballot, but that 1130 00:42:43,018 --> 00:42:44.002 can be rejected by a 1131 00:42:44,002 --> 00:42:49.000.

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Supermajority of the council.- 1132 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50.000. So I think that's in a 1133 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52.012 nutshell., but my my 1134 00:42:52,012 --> 00:42:53.029 subcommittee members can also 1135 00:42:53,029 --> 00:42:54.026 chime in if I've said anything 1136 00:42:54,026, -->, 00:43:00.005 incorrectly. thank you, mr. 1137 00:43:00,005, -->, 00:43:03.018, johnson. yeah., any other 1138 00:43:03,018 --> 00:43:05.002 clarifications from the 1139 00:43:05,002 --> 00:43:08.020. Commission members to my memory, 1140 00:43:08,020, --> 00:43:10.025, the the recommendation thank 1141, 00:43:10,025, --> 00:43:12.000 you for sharing that., didn't 1142 00:43:12,000, --> 00:43:17.012.

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It take a supermajority of the 1143 00:43:17,012 --> 00:43:18.025 charter commission. To get 1144 00:43:18,025 --> 00:43:21.000, something on the ballot, wasn't 1145 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23.029, a supermajority in both 1146 00:43:23,029 --> 00:43:24.004 instances, the commission in the 1147 00:43:24,004 -->, 00:43:31.018 council, correct., great., all 1148 00:43:31,018, -->, 00:43:32.020, right., well, we'd love to hear 1149, 00:43:32,020, --> 00:43:35.027.

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Any discussion about this 1150 00:43:35,027 --> 00:43:37.004 recommendation as it stands, or 1151 00:43:37,004 --> 00:43:40.011, as you might like it to 1152 00:43:40,011 --> 00:43:41.000, stand to be able to vote for 1153 00:43:41,000, -->, 00:43:44.018 it.. Anyone like to start the 1154 00:43:44,018 --> 00:43:47.020 conversation,, commissioner 1155 00:43:47,020 --> 00:43:53.003 marshman,, I'm nervous about 1156 00:43:53,003, --> 00:43:56.009, placing something on the ballot 1157 00:43:56,009 --> 00:43:58.020, even though it could be 1158, 00:43:58,020, -->, 00:44:00.027, rejected by a supermajority of 1159, 00:44:00,027, --> 00:44:01.013.

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The council.- I'd be more 1160 00:44:01,013 --> 00:44:04.027 comfortable keeping it as a 1161 00:44:04,027 --> 00:44:05.002 majority vote in the council, 1162 00:44:05,002 --> 00:44:07.002, because it's a majority of 1163 00:44:07,002, -->, 00:44:09.006 elected officials, don't think 1164, 00:44:09,006, --> 00:44:10.017. It's a good idea to put it 1165, 00:44:10,017 --> 00:44:14.012 before voters, then I I'm just 1166 00:44:14,012 --> 00:44:18.027 nervous about that. If that's 1167, 00:44:18,027 --> 00:44:20.012 an integral part of the of 1168 00:44:20,012 --> 00:44:26.018 the of the proposal, then I will 1169 00:44:26,018 --> 00:44:32.013. I will be voting.

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No, I I! I have 1170 00:44:32,013 --> 00:44:37.012 of a few, a few reservations: 1171 00:44:37,012 --> 00:44:39.013 about institutionalizing in the 1172 00:44:39,013 --> 00:44:41.028 charter, a review every ten 1173 00:44:41,028 --> 00:44:44.017 years.

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As I look harder at what 1174 00:44:44,017 --> 00:44:47.008, we've been doing other other 1175 00:44:47,008 --> 00:44:50.001 folks are talking about and 1176 00:44:50,001 --> 00:44:52.021, and I worry that they'll be 1177 00:44:52,021, --> 00:44:53.006, knowing this is coming that 1178 00:44:53,006 --> 00:44:55.006 there'll be a saving up of 1179 00:44:55,006 --> 00:44:57.025 political issues that will that 1180, 00:44:57,025 --> 00:45:00.011 will garage I'm having 1181 00:45:00,011 --> 00:45:02.027 second thoughts, because I think 1182, 00:45:02,027, --> 00:45:03.004, perhaps there's a way to 1183 00:45:03,004 --> 00:45:06.019 institutionalize it for, you 1184, 00:45:06,019, -->, 00:45:09.002, know,, a longer period of time., 1185, 00:45:09,002, --> 00:45:11.003 thirty years, obviously is a 1186 00:45:11,003 --> 00:45:13.009 little long, but I'm I'm a 1187 00:45:13,009 --> 00:45:14.017 little nervous about the ten 1188 00:45:14,017 --> 00:45:15.015 years, which would mean if we 1189 00:45:15,015 --> 00:45:17.012 were going to do it in this 1190 00:45:17,012 --> 00:45:19.023 decade before the next census, 1191 00:45:19,023, --> 00:45:20.015.

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It would just be a few years 1192 00:45:20,015 --> 00:45:24.002 from now.. That's all. thank 1193, 00:45:24,002, --> 00:45:27.024. Thank you, commissioner. Bruce 1194 00:45:27,024 --> 00:45:29.006, followed by mr. muttaburra. 1195 00:45:29,006 --> 00:45:31.020 thank you, vice chair johnson 1196, 00:45:31,020, --> 00:45:33.002 for stepping up and speaking on 1197 00:45:33,002, --> 00:45:36.004 behalf of commissioner mitsuki 1198 00:45:36,004, --> 00:45:38.004. I I would have helped, but I'm 1199 00:45:38,004 --> 00:45:40.002 in transit right now, 1200 00:45:40,002, -->, 00:45:42.011 anyways..

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I am on the 1201 00:45:42,011 --> 00:45:44.010 subcommittee and I I voted in 1202 00:45:44,010 --> 00:45:51.020 support of this memo, as is 1203 00:45:51,020 --> 00:45:53.023, supportive of having standing 1204, 00:45:53,023 --> 00:45:57.000 to review every ten years and 1205 00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01.005 in having the supermajority of 1206 00:46:01,005 --> 00:46:03.024 commissioners be able to put 1207 00:46:03,024 --> 00:46:05.023, something on the ballot really 1208. 00:46:05,023 --> 00:46:07.015 expands the role of the 1209 00:46:07,015 --> 00:46:11.027 commission, and further than 1210 00:46:11,027 --> 00:46:13.011, just being an advisory body.

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1211 00:46:13,011 --> 00:46:15.006, similar to what our 1212 00:46:15,006 --> 00:46:17.007 counterparts in detroit in 1213, 00:46:17,007, -->, 00:46:23.014 portland are doing and yeah, I 1214 00:46:23,014 --> 00:46:24.008 will be in support of this 1215 00:46:24,008 --> 00:46:27.001 memo. thank you.. Thank you,, 1216, 00:46:27,001, -->, 00:46:29.016 commissioner.. I see the city 1217 00:46:29,016, -->, 00:46:30.009 clerk has our hand up. toni, 1218 00:46:30,009 --> 00:46:32.014. Did you want me to share 1219 00:46:32,014 --> 00:46:33.025 right now?.

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Only thing I wanted 1220 00:46:33,025 --> 00:46:35.000 to share was I don't care what 1221 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37.023 ten years,, eight years, 1222 00:46:37,023 --> 00:46:39.002. Whatever timing you pick, but if 1223 00:46:39,002 --> 00:46:41.014 you're going to specify like 1224 00:46:41,014 --> 00:46:42.002 two years before a 1225, 00:46:42,002, -->, 00:46:44.000, redistricting or whatever,, I 1226 00:46:44,000, --> 00:46:45.029 would just prefer it to be an 1227 00:46:45,029, --> 00:46:46.021 odd year, where we don't have an 1228, 00:46:46,021, -->, 00:46:48.023 election.. We have elections, 1229, 00:46:48,023, -->, 00:46:50.011, every even numbered year..

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We 1230 00:46:50,011, --> 00:46:52.005, don't have elections every odd 1231, 00:46:52,005 --> 00:46:54.027 numbered year.. That's the only 1232 00:46:54,027 --> 00:46:56.010 feedback I want to as far as 1233 00:46:56,010 --> 00:46:58.005 being able to stop something: 1234 00:46:58,005 --> 00:47:00.028 adequately. Odd years, that's 1235, 00:47:00,028, -->, 00:47:02.023, all. ok, thank you. thanks, 1236 00:47:02,023 --> 00:47:03.008 for your patience. commissioner 1237 00:47:03,008. --≫ 00:47:06.018 muttaburra, your next yeah.

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1238, 00:47:06,018, --> 00:47:09.026, thanks to the city clerk for a 1239, 00:47:09,026, --> 00:47:10.007, sorry, children in the 1240 00:47:10,007 --> 00:47:15.023 background for for that and you 1241 00:47:15,023 --> 00:47:16.022, know I think a couple of 1242 00:47:16,022 --> 00:47:20.001 things. one is just on the on 1243 00:47:20,001, --> 00:47:22.005, the general principle, I'm 1244, 00:47:22,005, -->, 00:47:23.023.

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Sorry, the commissioner calendar 1245 00:47:23,023 --> 00:47:24.002, isn't here tonight because he's 1246, 00:47:24,002 --> 00:47:26.023 been really good about 1247 00:47:26,023, --> 00:47:28.028, reminding us how long many 1248 00:47:28,028 --> 00:47:29.023 communities in particular, 1249 00:47:29,023, -->, 00:47:31.020 communities of color have been 1250 00:47:31,020, --> 00:47:34.014, waiting for a charter review, 1251 00:47:34,014, -->, 00:47:36.018 process.

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and I think one of the 1252 00:47:36,018 --> 00:47:37.018 the tricky things about the 1253 00:47:37,018 --> 00:47:39.029 charter review process is it's 1254 00:47:39,029 --> 00:47:40.009, it's not necessarily going to 1255 00:47:40,009 --> 00:47:43.010, be in the interests of the city, 1256 00:47:43,010, --> 00:47:45.018 council to open one up., right. 1257 00:47:45,018 --> 00:47:47.009. They are there folks who have 1258, 00:47:47,009 --> 00:47:49.002 come into their positions via 1259 00:47:49,002, --> 00:47:51.005, the existing system via the 1260 00:47:51,005 --> 00:47:53.002 status quo, and it's also a 1261 00:47:53,002 --> 00:47:55.023, fairly obscure process..

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You 1262 00:47:55,023 -->, 00:47:56.024 know,. It's not what, if you were 1263 00:47:56,024, --> 00:47:58.007, to go out and poll voters about 1264, 00:47:58,007, --> 00:48:00.013, what's top of mind and how they 1265 00:48:00,013, --> 00:48:01.023, think the city could do its job 1266 00:48:01,023, -->, 00:48:02.026 better? and we've grappled with 1267 00:48:02,026 --> 00:48:03.019. This is a commission right in 1268, 00:48:03,019, -->, 00:48:05.011 terms of the public engagement, 1269 00:48:05,011, --> 00:48:07.027.

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It's not going to be issue: 1270, 00:48:07,027, -->, 00:48:09.021 number one to three or twenty 1271 00:48:09,021 -->, 00:48:11.005, seven or thirty, because it's 1272 00:48:11,005 --> 00:48:13.012. It's sort of it's foundational., 1273, 00:48:13,012, --> 00:48:14.025, it's not front and center and 1274 00:48:14,025 --> 00:48:15.026. Yet it's an incredibly powerful 1275 00:48:15,026 --> 00:48:17.027 tool, as we've all spent the 1276 00:48:17,027 --> 00:48:19.022 last several months: learning, 1277 00:48:19,022, --> 00:48:22.002 and grappling with., and so for 1278, 00:48:22,002, --> 00:48:24.012.

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Those reasons I do think it is 1279 00:48:24,012 --> 00:48:27.011, very important that we that we 1280 00:48:27,011 --> 00:48:30.012 proceed with with this issue. 1281 00:48:30,012 --> 00:48:31.014, I'm going to be supporting it. 1282 00:48:31,014 --> 00:48:35.020, even though I I ultimately 1283 00:48:35,020, --> 00:48:36.018 within the context of our 1284 00:48:36,018 --> 00:48:39.005 subcommittee, did not support 1285 00:48:39,005 --> 00:48:41.006, the path for the commission to 1286 00:48:41,006 --> 00:48:42.006 be able to place things 1287 00:48:42,006 -->, 00:48:46.014, directly on on the ballot. you 1288 00:48:46,014 -->, 00:48:47.014 know,.

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When I hear the city 1289 00:48:47,014 --> 00:48:48.025, clerk's concerns,, there are 1290 00:48:48,025 --> 00:48:49.010 provisions in the memo for 1291 00:48:49,010 -->, 00:48:52.020 staffing.. I don't know that the 1292 00:48:52,020 --> 00:48:54.020, the the level of staffing 1293 00:48:54,020 --> 00:48:55.012, should be coming from the city. 1294 00:48:55,012 --> 00:48:58.028 clerk's office going forward, 1295 00:48:58,028 --> 00:49:00.021.

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Although we very grateful for 1296 00:49:00,021 --> 00:49:02.018 for how you all have stepped up, 1297 00:49:02,018 --> 00:49:04.019 in the case of this commission.- 1298 00:49:04,019, --> 00:49:08.003, and so I I do want to say again- 1299 00:49:08,003 --> 00:49:10.007 that I will be supporting this 1300 00:49:10,007 --> 00:49:12.025 and would encourage other 1301 00:49:12,025 --> 00:49:13.004 commissioners to do so as well. 1302, 00:49:13,004, --> 00:49:17.028, because for better or for worse 1303 00:49:17,028 --> 00:49:17.015. I passed the point of the 1304 00:49:17,015 --> 00:49:19.005 provisional.

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We are all going to 1305 00:49:19,005 --> 00:49:21.004 need to continue to work on the 1306 00:49:21,004 --> 00:49:23.024, specifics of all of these 1307 00:49:23,024 -->, 00:49:24.013, proposals. and so for items in 1308, 00:49:24,013, -->, 00:49:26.011 terms of the exact timing or 1309 00:49:26,011 --> 00:49:28.017, the power of the commission to 1310 00:49:28,017 --> 00:49:29.017 place items directly on the 1311 00:49:29,017 --> 00:49:31.005 ballot. As a couple of examples, 1312 00:49:31,005, --> 00:49:33.000.

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We should continue to debate 1313 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35.012 those., but I think that this is 1314 00:49:35,012 --> 00:49:37.015 too important to throw the baby 1315 00:49:37,015 --> 00:49:38.007 out with the bathwater so to 1316, 00:49:38,007 --> 00:49:43.023 speak. thank you, commissioner 1317 00:49:43,023 --> 00:49:45.010 metamora.. I have commissioner 1318 00:49:45,010 --> 00:49:47.012 tranh, followed by commissioners, 1319 00:49:47,012, -->, 00:49:49.017, gilman and protests and mondli 1320 00:49:49,017 --> 00:49:55.009, commissioner trenor and I think 1321 00:49:55,009 --> 00:49:58.028. You need to try and yes, I do 1322 00:49:58,028 --> 00:50:01.024.

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Thank you for the the I 1323 00:50:01,024 --> 00:50:03.011, fundamentally support the 1324 00:50:03,011 --> 00:50:05.022 recommendation in terms of 1325 00:50:05,022 --> 00:50:06.007, making sure that we do regular 1326, 00:50:06,007, --> 00:50:08.012 reviews of the charter.. I mean 1327 00:50:08,012 --> 00:50:09.014. That is never a bad thing to 1328. 00:50:09,014 --> 00:50:10.003 say that we are going to take a 1329, 00:50:10,003 --> 00:50:12.016, look at our core structures and 1330 00:50:12,016 --> 00:50:13.026 really identify areas.

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We can 1331 00:50:13,026 --> 00:50:14.009 strengthen representation, 1332 00:50:14,009 --> 00:50:16.015 strengthen democracy, 1333, 00:50:16,015, -->, 00:50:19.011 accountability services. If 1334 00:50:19,011 --> 00:50:20.000 we're really talking about a 1335 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22.005 review process and bringing 1336 00:50:22,005 --> 00:50:24.027 residents into this process and 1337 00:50:24,027 --> 00:50:26.015 doing on a regular basis, 1338 00:50:26,015 --> 00:50:28.020, there's nothing bad about that., 1339, 00:50:28,020, --> 00:50:29.029, we're really just saying, is 1340 00:50:29,029 --> 00:50:31.022.

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Let's continually look at how 1341 00:50:31,022 --> 00:50:33.023, we are set up and look at how 1342 00:50:33,023 --> 00:50:35.023 we can improve., where I do have 1343 00:50:35,023 --> 00:50:37.020 concerns is, is what 1344 00:50:37,020 --> 00:50:38.009 commissioner much more 1345 00:50:38,009 --> 00:50:40.005 mentioned, which is that this 1346 00:50:40,005 --> 00:50:42.024 body is given the power to 1347 00:50:42,024 --> 00:50:43.023, amend or put something before 1348 00:50:43,023 --> 00:50:45.005 voters about changing our 1349 00:50:45,005 --> 00:50:48.013 charter.

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When the way we come to 1350, 00:50:48,013, -->, 00:50:50.009 be and how we are put into the 1351 00:50:50,009 --> 00:50:52.004 seat is just to an appointment, 1352 00:50:52,004 --> 00:50:55.019 process anyway.. We are not an 1353 00:50:55,019 --> 00:50:57.009 elected body.. We are appointed 1354 00:50:57,009 --> 00:51:00.027 as those who are elected and 1355 00:51:00,027 --> 00:51:01.003. Even if there is a strong 1356, 00:51:01,003 --> 00:51:04.000 majority of us that decide that 1357 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05.022.

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There is some kind of change: 1358 00:51:05,022, --> 00:51:06.014 that should happen, I just 1359 00:51:06,014 --> 00:51:08.003, don't think we in our current 1360 00:51:08,003 --> 00:51:10.011 capacity or in our current role, 1361 00:51:10,011 --> 00:51:11.020 in terms of how we are selected, 1362, 00:51:11,020, -->, 00:51:12.012, and into the commission, we 1363 00:51:12,012 --> 00:51:14.015 really have any kind of mandate: 1364, 00:51:14,015, -->, 00:51:15.024 or really have any kind of 1365 00:51:15,024, -->, 00:51:17.026, moral or political authority to 1366 00:51:17,026 --> 00:51:18.012 go around and say that this 1367 00:51:18,012 --> 00:51:21.020 should be happening..

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So I am 1368 00:51:21,020 -->, 00:51:22.003 foley, supportive of us having a 1369, 00:51:22,003, -->, 00:51:25.028, regular review.. I would like to 1370 00:51:25,028 --> 00:51:26.027, see either. If we are going to 1371 00:51:26,027 --> 00:51:27.025 put some kind of power into the 1372 00:51:27,025 --> 00:51:28.004 commission to change the 1373 00:51:28,004 --> 00:51:30.015 charter..

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I really do think we 1374 00:51:30,015 --> 00:51:31.009 need to look at how this 1375 00:51:31,009 --> 00:51:33.011 commission is created and how 1376 00:51:33,011 --> 00:51:34.028 people are put onto this 1377 00:51:34,028 --> 00:51:36.005 commission, because if we as an 1378, 00:51:36,005, --> 00:51:38.012, unelected body are putting 1379 00:51:38,012 --> 00:51:39.005 forth revisions to the charter, 1380 00:51:39,005, --> 00:51:41.009, ahead of the council,, then in 1381 00:51:41,009, --> 00:51:42.008 the sense that it feels like 1382, 00:51:42,008, --> 00:51:43.019, we're subverting our own 1383 00:51:43,019 --> 00:51:45.029 democracy.

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So I would really 1384 00:51:45,029 --> 00:51:46.020 like to see some kind of 1385 00:51:46,020 --> 00:51:48.029 revision on that sense.. But as 1386 00:51:48,029 --> 00:51:51.011, it stands, I'm leaning in favor, 1387, 00:51:51,011, --> 00:51:53.023 and since then the provisional 1388 00:51:53,023 --> 00:51:55.021 vote makes us mention that this 1389 00:51:55,021 --> 00:51:57.003 is a provisional support for 1390 00:51:57,003 --> 00:52:01.005, the recommendation. thank you, 1391 00:52:01,005 --> 00:52:04.010 commissioner.. We wish riggleman 1392 00:52:04,010 --> 00:52:06.028 yeah..

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I think I want to echo 1393 00:52:06,028 --> 00:52:07.011 the sentiments expressed by 1394 00:52:07,011 --> 00:52:09.015, commissioner marshman and 1395 00:52:09,015. --≫ 00:52:13.029, commissioner tranh.. We are as 1396 00:52:13,029 --> 00:52:14.026 charter review. Commissioners, we 1397 00:52:14,026 --> 00:52:16.011 are unelected political, 1398, 00:52:16,011, -->, 00:52:19.009 appointees, and it just strikes. 1399 00:52:19,009 --> 00:52:22.019 me as an egregious mistake that 1400 00:52:22,019 --> 00:52:23.020.

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We can have a situation where 1401 00:52:23,020, -->, 00:52:27.025 17, unelected appointees, could 1402 00:52:27,025 --> 00:52:28.008 actually get something on the 1403 00:52:28,008 --> 00:52:31.003 ballot, whereas if a group of 1404 00:52:31,003 --> 00:52:33.005 citizens just regular residents, 1405 00:52:33,005 --> 00:52:34.012 wanted to do this,, they would 1406 00:52:34,012 --> 00:52:37.022 be required to go, get something: 1407 00:52:37,022 --> 00:52:38.007 like seventy thousand 1408 00:52:38,007 -->, 00:52:41.001 signatures.. So for me, that's a 1409, 00:52:41,001 --> 00:52:43.009, big sticking. Point that I can't 1410 00:52:43,009 --> 00:52:45.017 support this provisional vote.

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1411 00:52:45,017 --> 00:52:47.014 as it's written today I could 1412 00:52:47,014 --> 00:52:50.006 be open to supporting it. If we 1413 00:52:50,006 --> 00:52:52.005, remove that aspect of it and 1414 00:52:52,005 --> 00:52:55.009 just focused on regular review, 1415 00:52:55,009 --> 00:52:57.016 cycles, because I see no harm in 1416 00:52:57,016, --> 00:52:58.012, bringing members of the public 1417 00:52:58,012 --> 00:53:00.015 together periodically to study 1418 00:53:00,015 --> 00:53:02.015 and make recommendations. but 1419 00:53:02,015, --> 00:53:03.003. The other part of that I just 1420 00:53:03,003 --> 00:53:06.009 can't support thank you.

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thank 1421, 00:53:06,009 -->, 00:53:08.008 you,, commissioner fuentes, 1422 00:53:08,008 --> 00:53:09.005, followed by commissioner 1423 00:53:09,005 --> 00:53:13.008 montejo and sehgal. thank you., 1424 00:53:13,008, --> 00:53:15.004. I just want to mention that I 1425 00:53:15,004 --> 00:53:18.014, am in support of the the 1426 00:53:18,014 --> 00:53:19.012 recommendation. The way it 1427 00:53:19,012 --> 00:53:22.027 stands, especially because the 1428 00:53:22,027 --> 00:53:24.001 city council does have an 1429 00:53:24,001 --> 00:53:29.023 opportunity to to reject any 1430 00:53:29,023 --> 00:53:29.013.

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Anything that's going to be 1431 00:53:29,013, --> 00:53:33.026, going onto the ballot, and I 1432 00:53:33,026 --> 00:53:34.026 strongly support the idea of 1433 00:53:34,026 --> 00:53:38.026 having regular commission 1434 00:53:38,026 --> 00:53:41.000 commission was charter. The 1435 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:45.007 commission's established and 1436 00:53:45,007 --> 00:53:47.028 people being appointed to do 1437, 00:53:47,028 --> 00:53:48.000 the work that we're doing 1438 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51.017 because, as I can see today and 1439 00:53:51,017 --> 00:53:52.027. I've been since this last 1440 00:53:52,027 --> 00:53:53.028 several months.

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A lot of good 1441, 00:53:53,028, --> 00:53:55.029 work is being done. That's going 1442 00:53:55,029 --> 00:53:57.017 to benefit our city. and we 1443 00:53:57,017 --> 00:53:59.005, have to remember it's been a 1444 00:53:59,005 --> 00:54:02.020 long time, since this was in the 1445 00:54:02,020 --> 00:54:04.005 last commission and since then 1446 00:54:04,005, --> 00:54:06.010. Many things have changed in our 1447 00:54:06,010 --> 00:54:08.022 city and our city is very 1448. 00:54:08,022 --> 00:54:09.016 dynamic..

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It's going to continue 1449, 00:54:09,016 --> 00:54:11.014 being that way, and this is an 1450 00:54:11,014 --> 00:54:13.028 opportunity for the public 1451 00:54:13,028 --> 00:54:14.026, which this is really who we 1452 00:54:14,026 --> 00:54:16.010 are. we're not elected or not. 1453 00:54:16,010, --> 00:54:18.024. We don't have a vested interest. 1454 00:54:18,024 --> 00:54:19.001 in that sense that we're 1455, 00:54:19,001 -->, 00:54:21.013 elected, and this is an 1456 00:54:21,013 --> 00:54:22.027 opportunity for the public to 1457 00:54:22,027 --> 00:54:23.001 really have a choice and be 1458 00:54:23,001, -->, 00:54:26.014 engaged in and democracy.

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and 1459 00:54:26,014 --> 00:54:27.010 finally,. I just want to mention 1460 00:54:27,010 --> 00:54:29.026, that I think this is a very 1461 00:54:29,026 --> 00:54:30.002 good way, just like our last 1462 00:54:30,002 --> 00:54:32.002 vote that we just had on our 1463 00:54:32,002 --> 00:54:34.013 recommendation is the way to 1464 00:54:34,013 --> 00:54:36.001 achieve equity, stronger equity, 1465, 00:54:36,001 --> 00:54:39.027 in our city. thank you., 1466 00:54:39,027 --> 00:54:40.007 thank you. commissioner, giorgio 1467 00:54:40,007 --> 00:54:47.012 ,.

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I would like to echo 1468 00:54:47,012 --> 00:54:49.016, commissioner trat and 1469 00:54:49,016 --> 00:54:50.015, commissioner gillman's 1470 00:54:50,015 --> 00:54:54.010, commissioner. I am for a 1471 00:54:54,010 --> 00:54:58.007, periodically charter review. 1472 00:54:58,007 -->, 00:55:01.018 however,. I have serious concern: 1473 00:55:01,018, --> 00:55:04.002 about commissioner, the super 1474 00:55:04,002 --> 00:55:06.024 majority of commissioner put 1475 00:55:06,024 --> 00:55:08.007, something on the ballot.. That's 1476 00:55:08,007 -->, 00:55:12.016 ok.. Thank you, commissioner 1477 00:55:12,016, --> 00:55:16.029 siegle. thank you..

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I would 1478 00:55:16,029 --> 00:55:18.019 support it, as is, I think we 1479 00:55:18,019 --> 00:55:20.015 absolute. We need to not spend 1480 00:55:20,015 --> 00:55:22.021, another thirty six years before 1481 00:55:22,021, --> 00:55:23.023. We get to another charter, 1482 00:55:23,023, -->. 00:55:26.026. Review. Commission.- it's too 1483 00:55:26,026, -->, 00:55:28.026 long.. I absolutely support it.

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1484 00:55:28,026 --> 00:55:30.014 and I just think that it is 1485 00:55:30,014, -->, 00:55:32.010 democratic, because we are 1486 00:55:32,010 --> 00:55:34.012 appointed by our elected 1487, 00:55:34,012 -->, 00:55:36.027 elected representatives., so it 1488 00:55:36,027 --> 00:55:37.022 is we are engaged in a 1489 00:55:37,022, -->, 00:55:39.027 democratic process., we're not 1490 00:55:39,027 --> 00:55:41.003, subverting democracy at all, but 1491 00:55:41,003, --> 00:55:44.006. What we are doing is insolated 1492, 00:55:44,006, -->, 00:55:46.000, ing our elected 1493, 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49.028 representatives from political 1494, 00:55:49,028, -->, 00:55:51.020 and, I would say, financial in an 1495.

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00:55:51,020 --> 00:55:54.010 election year push back or fall 1496 00:55:54,010 --> 00:55:57.001 out, because we can bring things 1497, 00:55:57,001 --> 00:55:59.024 forward that perhaps they 1498 00:55:59,024 --> 00:56:00.010 politically can't due to 1499 00:56:00,010 --> 00:56:02.017, whatever political pressures, 1500 00:56:02,017, -->, 00:56:04.023 and financial pressures they 1501 00:56:04,023, --> 00:56:06.010 have and in reelection year., so 1502 00:56:06,010, --> 00:56:09.009 we're actually insulating our 1503 00:56:09,009 --> 00:56:12.006 elected representatives from 1504 00:56:12,006, --> 00:56:14.005. We can do things, they can't do.

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1505 00:56:14,005 --> 00:56:16.025 that they're their positions, 1506, 00:56:16,025, --> 00:56:18.002, are so politically bound up and 1507 00:56:18,002 --> 00:56:21.007. Ours are not because we are 1508, 00:56:21,007 --> 00:56:23.019, we're not elected. we're not we 1509 00:56:23,019 --> 00:56:24.020, don't nobody's voting for us. 1510 00:56:24,020, --> 00:56:26.026 we're just. We don't have to get 1511 00:56:26,026 --> 00:56:28.012 reelected., so I actually really 1512 00:56:28,012 --> 00:56:30.018 like it the way it is. thank 1513, 00:56:30,018, --> 00:56:31.011 you so much for the proposal.

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1514 00:56:31,011, --> 00:56:35.021 and I will be voting for 1515 00:56:35,021 --> 00:56:37.019 thank you.. I have commissioner 1516 00:56:37,019 --> 00:56:38.000. First of all, followed by 1517 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:42.024, commissioner lizotte. great. 1518 00:56:42,024 --> 00:56:43.025 thank you., just a few thoughts, 1519 00:56:43,025 --> 00:56:46.000. Just listening to what other 1520 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48.025 commissioners are saying. I 1521 00:56:48,025 --> 00:56:50.011 agree with a lot of these.. I do 1522 00:56:50,011 --> 00:56:52.022 do believe that it is important.

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1523, 00:56:52,022, --> 00:56:55.007 to have a periodic more regular 1524, 00:56:55,007 --> 00:56:57.017 periodic review of the charter. 1525 00:56:57,017 --> 00:56:58.009. I think that's really important 1526 00:56:58,009 --> 00:57:00.021, as we've heard from so many 1527 00:57:00,021 --> 00:57:01.001 members of the community, that 1528 00:57:01,001 --> 00:57:03.018 too many issues get kicked down: 1529 00:57:03,018, -->, 00:57:04.015, the road for too long. and so 1530 00:57:04,015 --> 00:57:05.018. This, I think, would create an 1531 00:57:05,018 --> 00:57:09.001 incentive to do that..

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I am 1532 00:57:09,001 --> 00:57:11.024 concerned about the second 1533 00:57:11,024 --> 00:57:13.020 provision in a couple of ways. 1534, 00:57:13,020, --> 00:57:15.009, one just sort of think about at 1535, 00:57:15,009 -->, 00:57:17.000 least. I'm thinking about is 1536 00:57:17,000, --> 00:57:19.028. What kind of effect might this 1537 00:57:19,028? --≫ 00:57:19.012 have on the appointment, 1538 00:57:19,012, -->, 00:57:24.009 process? this this particular 1539 00:57:24,009 --> 00:57:26.020 commission, as I understood it, 1540 00:57:26,020 --> 00:57:27.009 anyway, was really designed.

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1541 00:57:27,009 --> 00:57:29.008 around to try to get greater 1542, 00:57:29,008 --> 00:57:31.026 other voices, people who 1543 00:57:31,026, -->, 00:57:32.018, weren't so connected to 1544, 00:57:32,018, -->, 00:57:35.019 politics and what was going on 1545 00:57:35,019, --> 00:57:36.005 the day to day on the city, 1546 00:57:36,005, -->, 00:57:39.027 council to get more of it., I 1547 00:57:39,027, --> 00:57:41.012 would describe as in dependent 1548 00:57:41,012 --> 00:57:43.010. Look at some of these really 1549 00:57:43,010 --> 00:57:44.023, challenging and really 1550 00:57:44,023 --> 00:57:45.028 important issues..

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So I am 1551 00:57:45,028 --> 00:57:47.020 concerned about what a city 1552, 00:57:47,020, -->, 00:57:49.001, council,, a future city council, 1553, 00:57:49,001, --> 00:57:52.005. If a have appointment, powers on 1554, 00:57:52,005, --> 00:57:53.013, this commission,, whether it be 1555, 00:57:53,013, -->, 00:57:56.020, less likely to try to appoint 1556 00:57:56,020 --> 00:57:57.012, someone who maybe disagreed, 1557 00:57:57,012 --> 00:57:59.010 with them on some issues which 1558 00:57:59,010 --> 00:58:01.001, I think, is really healthy.

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For a 1559, 00:58:01,001, --> 00:58:03.006 commission like this, if they 1560 00:58:03,006 --> 00:58:05.001, know that the commission has a 1561 00:58:05,001, --> 00:58:07.025 lot more power and that a of 1562 00:58:07,025 --> 00:58:09.007 directly placing something on 1563, 00:58:09,007, --> 00:58:11.024, the ballot,.

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Of course they 1564 00:58:11,024 --> 00:58:12.022, would have an input but that 1565 00:58:12,022 --> 00:58:14.004 also might increase the 1566 00:58:14,004 --> 00:58:17.008 incentive to align or to 1567 00:58:17,008 --> 00:58:18.000, appoint someone who views 1568, 00:58:18,000, --> 00:58:20.002 things in very similar ways., so 1569 00:58:20,002, --> 00:58:22.000, I'm not quite sure. That's the 1570 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:26.002. Intent of the commission.- so 1571 00:58:26,002, --> 00:58:29.019, I'm also concerned, I think, as 1572 00:58:29,019 --> 00:58:30.010, commissioner trend.

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I think 1573 00:58:30,010 --> 00:58:35.017 mentioned last time of just 1574 00:58:35,017 --> 00:58:36.006, recreating some of the 1575 00:58:36,006 --> 00:58:38.005 political dynamics that we 1576 00:58:38,005 --> 00:58:39.009, currently see on the city, 1577 00:58:39,009, -->, 00:58:40.012, council and just moving them 1578 00:58:40,012 --> 00:58:44.021 over to the charter, commission, 1579, 00:58:44,021, --> 00:58:45.019, the future charter commission 1580 00:58:45,019 --> 00:58:47.023, who has significant more more 1581 00:58:47,023 --> 00:58:48.011 powers.. So those are just some 1582 00:58:48,011 --> 00:58:50.005 of my concerns.. So as it stands, 1583 00:58:50,005, -->, 00:58:53.019 now,.

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I think I would oppose 1584 00:58:53,019 --> 00:58:55.021 this as it's currently 1585 00:58:55,021 --> 00:58:57.020 presented because of my 1586 00:58:57,020 --> 00:58:58.016 concerns with it., but the 1587 00:58:58,016 -->. 00:59:02.028. Second part I think you, 1588, 00:59:02,028, --> 00:59:08.021 commissioner,, is that michel 1589 00:59:08,021 --> 00:59:10.013 is that neither you're muted if 1590 00:59:10,013, --> 00:59:12.027 you're trying to to speak 1591 00:59:12,027 --> 00:59:21.009, I'm here I am, I'm also here., so 1592 00:59:21,009 --> 00:59:23.005.

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I initially supported this in 1593 00:59:23,005 --> 00:59:25.006, our committee, but I've been 1594 00:59:25,006, --> 00:59:27.005, listening intently to my fellow 1595 00:59:27,005 --> 00:59:28.017 commissioners,, particularly 1596 00:59:28,017, --> 00:59:29.024, those who were not in our 1597 00:59:29,024 --> 00:59:31.024 subcommittee and, I have to say 1598 00:59:31,024 --> 00:59:33.001. I agree: 100 percent with my 1599 00:59:33,001 --> 00:59:35.011 fellow appointees, from district 1600 00:59:35,011 --> 00:59:39.017 nine., professor purcellville., I 1601 00:59:39,017 --> 00:59:40.021 can't support it because of the 1602 00:59:40,021 --> 00:59:41.026 second portion of this..

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I 1603 00:59:41,026 --> 00:59:43.017, absolutely think that regular 1604 00:59:43,017 --> 00:59:46.017 charter reviews, but the there's 1605 00:59:46,017 --> 00:59:48.027, just too much downside to 1606 00:59:48,027 --> 00:59:50.006. Having charter commission have 1607 00:59:50,006 --> 00:59:52.021 the ability to put something on 1608 00:59:52,021, --> 00:59:54.015 the so this is just a 1609 00:59:54,015 --> 00:59:57.020, provisional vote and perhaps 1610 00:59:57,020 --> 00:59:58.017. That should be dropped that we 1611 00:59:58,017 --> 01:00:00.001, could just vote on having a 1612 01:00:00,001 -->. 01:00:03.005. Regular commission.- thank you.

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1613, 01:00:03,005, --> 01:00:05.003 thank you, commissioner 1614 01:00:05,003, -->, 01:00:12.009, metamora. Sorry we need but 1615 01:00:12,009 --> 01:00:16.028. Thank you mayor.. So I I've 1616 01:00:16,028 --> 01:00:18.001 heard from some folks some 1617 01:00:18,001 --> 01:00:22.004 commissioners, that you can't 1618 01:00:22,004 --> 01:00:24.007 support it with that provision. 1619 01:00:24,007, --> 01:00:27.004 in there.. I think commissioner 1620 01:00:27,004 --> 01:00:30.026 killman stated that with that 1621 01:00:30,026 --> 01:00:31.022 provision removed, you would 1622 01:00:31,022 --> 01:00:32.028 support it and those aren't 1623 01:00:32,028 --> 01:00:33.004, quite the same thing..

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So I was 1624 01:00:33,004 --> 01:00:36.007, just curious for clarification. 1625 01:00:36,007, --> 01:00:37.021 from those who expressed 1626, 01:00:37,021, --> 01:00:38.020 concern about that provision.. I 1627 01:00:38,020 --> 01:00:40.017, think it was commissioners 1628, 01:00:40,017, -->, 01:00:44.002, marshman, zhao, tran first of all, 1629 01:00:44,002, --> 01:00:47.026, is that the government was 1630 01:00:47,026 --> 01:00:49.021 there, but for the others, with a 1631, 01:00:49,021, --> 01:00:51.007 change to that provision or 1632 01:00:51,007 --> 01:00:53.025 removal of it,. Would you 1633 01:00:53,025 --> 01:00:57.000 support this proposal? 1634 01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59.000? Commissioner marshman??

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I see 1635 01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:03.023, your hand. yes,. I would I would 1636 01:01:03,023 --> 01:01:05.010 support it. A few other concerns 1637 01:01:05,010 --> 01:01:07.000, but this is the main one and I 1638 01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09.025. I will support it if this comes 1639, 01:01:09,025, --> 01:01:12.025 out. If the direct placing on 1640 01:01:12,025 --> 01:01:15.007 the ballot comes out.. Thank you, 1641 01:01:15,007, --> 01:01:18.003, commissioner hui tran., yes., 1642, 01:01:18,003, --> 01:01:19.021 without reservation.

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I would 1643 01:01:19,021 --> 01:01:20.004 support, it., fantastic 1644, 01:01:20,004 --> 01:01:22.009, commissioner, that I believe 1645 01:01:22,009, --> 01:01:25.013. That's what I said. I would 1646 01:01:25,013 --> 01:01:28.009 support it., ask mr. pursell. 1647 01:01:28,009 --> 01:01:34.026. Yes, I would support it as well. 1648, 01:01:34,026, -->, 01:01:38.004, great anymore comments right, 1649, 01:01:38,004, --> 01:01:40.015. Now before we go to the public 1650 01:01:40,015 -->, 01:01:47.005, ., ok,, uh kwiat platoni has her 1651 01:01:47,005 --> 01:01:49.002 hand up.. I don't know if she 1652 01:01:49,002 --> 01:01:50.029 had her hand up before.

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So I 1653 01:01:50,029, --> 01:01:51.020, don't know toni,. If you use 1654 01:01:51,020 --> 01:01:52.017, something else to share your 1655 01:01:52,017 -->, 01:01:56.007 hand and lawrence. I think 1656 01:01:56,007 --> 01:01:58.002 we're going to take a motion. 1657 01:01:58,002 --> 01:02:01.024 and then the motion ok, and 1658 01:02:01,024 --> 01:02:03.000, then we'll go to the public. 1659 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:07.019 ok,. Could I get a motion from a 1660 01:02:07,019 --> 01:02:08.000 visual perspective, just to make 1661 01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11.025 sure that this recommendation, 1662 01:02:11,025 --> 01:02:13.017, continues to move?.

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I need a I 1663. 01:02:13,017 --> 01:02:15.006 need a motion to support the 1664 01:02:15,006 --> 01:02:19.002 recommendation as it is because 1665 01:02:19,002 --> 01:02:21.015 it's a provisional vote. now 1666 01:02:21,015 --> 01:02:22.004. The subcommittee has heard 1667 01:02:22,004 --> 01:02:25.029, clearly that this that's one 1668 01:02:25,029 --> 01:02:27.002 provision has challenges for a 1669, 01:02:27,002 --> 01:02:30.019, quite a few commissioners.. If 1670 01:02:30,019, --> 01:02:31.013, it came back that same way,, you 1671, 01:02:31,013, -->, 01:02:33.010 know,. Their vote would be a 1672 01:02:33,010, --> 01:02:35.023 negative vote tonight. We're 1673 01:02:35,023 --> 01:02:36.005.

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Only taking a provisional vote, 1674 01:02:36,005 --> 01:02:39.008 to keep it moving. Forward. can 1675 01:02:39,008 --> 01:02:41.002, get a motion to approve the 1676 01:02:41,002 --> 01:02:43.017 recommendation as it's stated. 1677 01:02:43,017, --> 01:02:45.012, so move can be the hand 1678 01:02:45,012 --> 01:02:47.007 from commissioner matsumura. 1679 01:02:47,007 --> 01:02:50.015 yeah, thank you.. I just 1680 01:02:50,015 --> 01:02:51.028 wanted to get clarification.

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1681, 01:02:51,028 --> 01:02:53.003 about what prevents us from 1682 01:02:53,003 --> 01:02:56.002, making a motion to because 1683 01:02:56,002 --> 01:02:57.007 there's nothing that prevents 1684 01:02:57,007 --> 01:02:58.017 you from making a motion. That's 1685, 01:02:58,017, -->, 01:02:59.003 different., the recommendation, 1686 01:02:59,003, --> 01:03:02.000, is what I'm taking. If you want 1687 01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04.019 to make a different motion, you 1688 01:03:04,019 --> 01:03:07.029 can do that and will we be 1689 01:03:07,029 --> 01:03:11.012, accepting the promotions? I 1690 01:03:11,012 --> 01:03:13.026 would take a motion..

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It's just 1691 01:03:13,026 --> 01:03:14.018 a provisional vote., so we were 1692 01:03:14,018, --> 01:03:15.006, either going to move this 1693 01:03:15,006 --> 01:03:19.006 forward or not that 1694 01:03:19,006 --> 01:03:22.000 changed. If, if the motion, 1695 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:25.003, fails to to move it forward as 1696 01:03:25,003 --> 01:03:27.001 written,, will the clerk be 1697 01:03:27,001 --> 01:03:31.025, accepting a different motion? 1698 01:03:31,025 --> 01:03:32.005 yes. yeah, I'll?

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Take a second 1699 01:03:32,005 --> 01:03:34.013 motion that we can't get it 1700 01:03:34,013 --> 01:03:36.017 through, as is commissioner 1701 01:03:36,017 --> 01:03:39.022 bruce, has moved it, as is. If I 1702 01:03:39,022 --> 01:03:40.026 can get a second of that,. We 1703 01:03:40,026, --> 01:03:43.015 will take that first.. Can I get 1704 01:03:43,015 --> 01:03:46.024 a second?? I can't there's a 1705 01:03:46,024 --> 01:03:48.010 second by commissioner posadas 1706 01:03:48,010 --> 01:03:50.006. So that's a motion on the table.

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1707 01:03:50,006 --> 01:03:51.012, which is to accept the 1708 01:03:51,012 --> 01:03:53.015 recommendation as a provisional 1709, 01:03:53,015 --> 01:03:55.019 to move forward and now we'll 1710, 01:03:55,019, --> 01:03:56.013, hear from the public and then 1711 01:03:56,013, --> 01:03:57.027, we'll come back to the 1712 01:03:57,027 --> 01:03:58.026 commission for their vote., the 1713 01:03:58,026 --> 01:03:59.022 clerk can call the first 1714 01:03:59,022 --> 01:04:01.017 speaker from the public. 1715 01:04:01,017 --> 01:04:09.024. That's what nancy thank you,, 1716, 01:04:09,024, -->, 01:04:13.018 nancy.! So basically, just like I 1717 01:04:13,018 --> 01:04:15.024 said.

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In the last meeting I was 1718 01:04:15,024 --> 01:04:16.027 in with the transportation, the 1719 01:04:16,027 --> 01:04:17.027 environment, where it was 1720, 01:04:17,027, -->, 01:04:19.003, showing that trees and even our 1721 01:04:19,003 --> 01:04:22.014 city forest wasn't even engaged 1722 01:04:22,014 --> 01:04:23.018, so that really shows a 1723 01:04:23,018 --> 01:04:25.024 breakdown in our democracy and 1724 01:04:25,024, --> 01:04:28.011.

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What I'm seeing in the or the 1725 01:04:28,011 --> 01:04:30.000 outreach to our community in 1726, 01:04:30,000, --> 01:04:32.008 terms of the charter review 1727 01:04:32,008 --> 01:04:34.002 commission, is that one of the 1728 01:04:34,002 --> 01:04:36.023 big gaps, I think, is that we're 1729 01:04:36,023 --> 01:04:37.000 not seeing we're not able to 1730 01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:41.009 get into the the subcommittees. 1731 01:04:41,009 --> 01:04:43.003, because I think a lot of it. 1732 01:04:43,003 --> 01:04:45.004 has been behind closed doors, 1733, 01:04:45,004, --> 01:04:47.007, and that that is the good thing.

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1734 01:04:47,007 --> 01:04:50.012, and even you know how this 1735 01:04:50,012 --> 01:04:51.006. Whole commission has been 1736. 01:04:51,006 --> 01:04:53.018 running hasn't been very open, 1737 01:04:53,018, --> 01:04:55.015 and we haven't been able to 1738 01:04:55,015 --> 01:04:59.013 really get our our voice.

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1739 01:04:59,013 --> 01:05:01.010 heard about what was a priority: 1740 01:05:01,010 --> 01:05:05.025 to us., so as the people and so 1741 01:05:05,025 --> 01:05:06.006 and the people's agenda has had 1742 01:05:06,006 --> 01:05:08.002 such trouble to even have a 1743 01:05:08,002 --> 01:05:11.026 voice in this commission and 1744 01:05:11,026 --> 01:05:13.023 this. This is a bad sign. and so 1745 01:05:13,023 --> 01:05:14.001.

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When we're making these 1746 01:05:14,001 --> 01:05:17.007 decisions that are critical, 1747, 01:05:17,007, -->, 01:05:19.029 about,, you know, how much power 1748 01:05:19,029, --> 01:05:20.006 the mayor will have and that 1749 01:05:20,006 --> 01:05:23.018 we're looking at now and I 1750 01:05:23,018 --> 01:05:24.004 would say that a lot of it 1751, 01:05:24,004, --> 01:05:26.009, hasn't been open enough and 1752 01:05:26,009 --> 01:05:27.005. There hasn't been enough: 1753 01:05:27,005, -->, 01:05:29.009, community engagement., you're, 1754, 01:05:29,009, -->, 01:05:30.013, doing a good job with the 1755 01:05:30,013 --> 01:05:31.018 meetings..

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I appreciate every 1756 01:05:31,018 --> 01:05:33.017 time you get the public comment. 1757 01:05:33,017 --> 01:05:35.024 and all the protocols that but 1758 01:05:35,024 --> 01:05:37.019. I think that there's a lot more 1759 01:05:37,019 --> 01:05:40.026 in terms of even how we're 1760 01:05:40,026 --> 01:05:41.007, getting notified about these 1761 01:05:41,007 --> 01:05:44.000 meetings, and you know how how 1762 01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46.011 the public is getting notified., 1763, 01:05:46,011, --> 01:05:47.024. I don't think that's doing very 1764 01:05:47,024 --> 01:05:48.027.

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Well, even though our city clerk, 1765, 01:05:48,027, --> 01:05:49.019 is supposed to be doing that 1766, 01:05:49,019, -->, 01:05:51.018 and letting us all know and 1767 01:05:51,018 --> 01:05:52.021, that type of thing. and then 1768, 01:05:52,021, --> 01:05:53.009. There's all this money that 1769 01:05:53,009 --> 01:05:55.006 went out to hopefully reach out 1770 01:05:55,006 --> 01:05:57.013 to the community., but I don't 1771 01:05:57,013 --> 01:05:58.027 see that there's been enough: 1772 01:05:58,027, -->, 01:05:59.012, community engagement and and 1773 01:05:59,012, --> 01:06:01.009.

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That's where I'm seeing that 1774 01:06:01,009 --> 01:06:02.008 over and over in a lot of 1775 01:06:02,008 --> 01:06:03.029 issues with our general 1776 01:06:03,029 --> 01:06:04.023 planning and our other 1777 01:06:04,023 --> 01:06:13.027 commissioners. olena, even 1778 01:06:13,027 --> 01:06:16.011 commissioners..

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So if you glance 1779 01:06:16,011 --> 01:06:18.005 at the legislative history in 1780, 01:06:18,005 --> 01:06:20.007, the back of the charter,, it is 1781 01:06:20,007, --> 01:06:22.012, already regularly amended every 1782 01:06:22,012 --> 01:06:23.021 two to three years since 1783 01:06:23,021 -->, 01:06:25.009 1965 through means that are not 1784, 01:06:25,009 -->, 01:06:27.012, necessarily reviewed by the 1785 01:06:27,012 --> 01:06:29.010 residents, and it was written to 1786.

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01:06:29,010 --> 01:06:31.010 remind you by thirteen private 1787 01:06:31,010 --> 01:06:33.014 landowners who decided to just 1788 01:06:33,014 --> 01:06:34.020, get together in the middle of 1789 01:06:34,020 --> 01:06:35.027, the civil rights movement to 1790, 01:06:35,027 --> 01:06:37.004, create this charter and under 1791 01:06:37,004 --> 01:06:40.000 directive. Five, we're you are 1792 01:06:40,000, --> 01:06:43.024, charged with considering things 1793 01:06:43,024 --> 01:06:44.018, to improve accountability,, 1794, 01:06:44,018 -->, 01:06:46.013 representation and inclusion, 1795 01:06:46,013 --> 01:06:48.022, and this is definitely how 1796 01:06:48,022 --> 01:06:49.016.

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We improve that accountability, 1797 01:06:49,016, --> 01:06:51.015 process and we'd also be 1798 01:06:51,015 --> 01:06:53.020 doing it setting up another 1799 01:06:53,020 --> 01:06:55.001 standard best practices, because 1800 01:06:55,001 --> 01:06:57.014. What is more democratic or 1801 01:06:57,014 -->, 01:06:58.025 patriotic and having collective 1802 01:06:58,025 --> 01:06:59.019 conversation over our city, 1803, 01:06:59,019, -->, 01:07:01.002 constitution. Much like all the 1804 01:07:01,002 --> 01:07:03.021 work done to get more community 1805 01:07:03,021 --> 01:07:04.010 input on the city's budget, 1806 01:07:04,010 --> 01:07:06.010, which is also a very important 1807 01:07:06,010 --> 01:07:08.017 moral document,.

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It seems that 1808 01:07:08,017 --> 01:07:09.027, the majority of commissioners 1809 01:07:09,027, --> 01:07:10.010. You agree that we need to have 1810 01:07:10,010, -->, 01:07:12.017, regular review and I feel it 1811 01:07:12,017 --> 01:07:13.020 would be an egregious mistake: 1812 01:07:13,020 --> 01:07:15.002 to continue business as usual, 1813, 01:07:15,002, -->, 01:07:17.023 and local governance.

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As usual, 1814 01:07:17,023 --> 01:07:18.016, when it's clearly not working 1815, 01:07:18,016, --> 01:07:21.002 for our people and it would 1816 01:07:21,002 --> 01:07:23.005, be of benefit to all of us to 1817 01:07:23,005 --> 01:07:24.002, understand the contracts and 1818 01:07:24,002 --> 01:07:26.017 agreements that we are part of 1819 01:07:26,017, --> 01:07:27.015 in this evergrowing litigious, 1820, 01:07:27,015, --> 01:07:29.022 world that we live in.

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and I 1821 01:07:29,022 --> 01:07:30.005 think that having regular 1822, 01:07:30,005 --> 01:07:32.009 conversation and having regular 1823 01:07:32,009 --> 01:07:35.016 study and looking at our city, 1824 01:07:35,016 --> 01:07:37.006 constitution in the context of 1825 01:07:37,006 --> 01:07:39.024, what's happening into our 1826 01:07:39,024 --> 01:07:41.005 communities in the world is of 1827 01:07:41,005 --> 01:07:43.029 utmost importance, and it's how 1828 01:07:43,029 --> 01:07:44.004. We maintain a resilient and 1829 01:07:44,004 --> 01:07:47.005 strong community. there's been 1830 01:07:47,005 --> 01:07:49.027. A lot of.

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I really urge you 1831 01:07:49,027 --> 01:07:52.018, to push this motion forward and 1832 01:07:52,018 --> 01:07:54.009 with a concession. It doesn't 1833 01:07:54,009 --> 01:07:56.014 matter to me that much if 1834, 01:07:56,014, --> 01:07:57.021 people have the power to put it 1835, 01:07:57,021 --> 01:07:58.012 straight on the ballot.. What's 1836 01:07:58,012 --> 01:08:00.021 most important is that we 1837 01:08:00,021 --> 01:08:03.010, have a process to review the 1838 01:08:03,010 --> 01:08:05.015 the city charter and to have 1839 01:08:05,015 --> 01:08:06.024 that be part of our civic 1840 01:08:06,024 --> 01:08:10.006 practice going forward.

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thank 1841, 01:08:10,006 -->, 01:08:15.019, jeffrey buchanan., members of 1842 01:08:15,019, --> 01:08:16.022. The commission just want to 1843 01:08:16,022 --> 01:08:18.025, raise to additional what 1844 01:08:18,025 --> 01:08:19.010 certainly makes us look at 1845 01:08:19,010 -->, 01:08:22.019, periodic review of the charter. 1846 01:08:22,019 --> 01:08:23.004 wanted to raise two additional 1847 01:08:23,004 --> 01:08:27.016 scenarios that I think raise 1848 01:08:27,016, --> 01:08:28.025 some questions about whether or 1849 01:08:28,025 --> 01:08:29.006. Not. We should be investing the 1850 01:08:29,006 --> 01:08:32.012 power to allow a super majority.

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1851 01:08:32,012, --> 01:08:33.027 of future commissioners to 1852 01:08:33,027, --> 01:08:35.019, place items on the ballot, 1853 01:08:35,019 --> 01:08:36.003 likely. If you were in a 1854, 01:08:36,003, --> 01:08:38.002 scenario, where a majority of 1855 01:08:38,002 --> 01:08:41.024 folks on the council, you get a 1856 01:08:41,024 --> 01:08:42.009 majority of individuals on the 1857 01:08:42,009 --> 01:08:46.024 council to say, block something: 1858 01:08:46,024 --> 01:08:47.016 that was put forward by a 1859 01:08:47,016 --> 01:08:50.026 supermajority of the members of 1860 01:08:50,026 --> 01:08:51.021, the commission,.

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We may end up 1861 01:08:51,021 --> 01:08:52.006 in a scenario where the 1862 01:08:52,006 --> 01:08:54.029 council's incentivized, to put 1863 01:08:54,029, --> 01:08:55.028 countermeasures to the ballot, 1864 01:08:55,028 --> 01:08:57.002, and then we end up with the 1865 01:08:57,002 --> 01:09:00.014 voters being presented with two 1866 01:09:00,014 --> 01:09:02.004 competing sets of measures when 1867 01:09:02,004 --> 01:09:04.011.

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Perhaps if we just stick to the 1868 01:09:04,011 --> 01:09:06.003 original structure of the the 1869 01:09:06,003 --> 01:09:07.017 commission, making 1870 01:09:07,017 --> 01:09:08.016 recommendations and a majority 1871 01:09:08,016 --> 01:09:09.006 of the council being able to 1872 01:09:09,006 --> 01:09:11.006 place items on the ballot, we 1873 01:09:11,006, --> 01:09:15.008 could have more items that are 1874 01:09:15,008, --> 01:09:16.009 that are better supported and 1875 01:09:16,009 --> 01:09:17.011 not having the kind of 1876 01:09:17,011 --> 01:09:19.004, confusing public dialog that 1877 01:09:19,004 --> 01:09:21.011 may come from measures and 1878 01:09:21,011 --> 01:09:23.014 countermeasures being put onto 1879 01:09:23,014 --> 01:09:24.009, the ballot at the same time.

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1880 01:09:24,009, -->, 01:09:27.009 additionally,. As many of you 1881 01:09:27,009 --> 01:09:30.027 will recall,. You can't make an 1882 01:09:30,027 --> 01:09:31.017 assumption that, because 1883 01:09:31,017 --> 01:09:33.027 individuals were appointed to a 1884 01:09:33,027 --> 01:09:34.029 commission that they're 1885 01:09:34,029 --> 01:09:36.020, necessarily reflecting the will 1886 01:09:36,020 --> 01:09:38.007 of of the voters or that 1887 01:09:38,007 --> 01:09:40.028 accountability.. It's important 1888 01:09:40,028 --> 01:09:40.025.

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To remember that this 1889 01:09:40,025 --> 01:09:42.018 commission was appointed after 1890 01:09:42,018 --> 01:09:45.021, an election and and in our last 1891 01:09:45,021 --> 01:09:46.000 cycle in twenty twenty in 1892 01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49.007 december, where we had someone 1893 01:09:49,007, --> 01:09:50.011, who had just lost an election 1894 01:09:50,011 --> 01:09:51.024 to be able to make appointments, 1895, 01:09:51,024, -->. 01:09:53.024. To this commission.- and so I 1896 01:09:53,024 --> 01:09:54.025- think we really need to think 1897 01:09:54,025 --> 01:09:55.000 hard when we're thinking about 1898 01:09:55,000, -->, 01:09:58.008 accountability..

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I think the 1899 01:09:58,008 --> 01:09:59.017 current structure of being able 1900 01:09:59,017 --> 01:10:00.011, to make recommendations that a 1901 01:10:00,011 --> 01:10:02.014 majority of the council being 1902 01:10:02,014, --> 01:10:03.009 able to put items onto the 1903 01:10:03,009 --> 01:10:06.029 ballot is a good process. 1904 01:10:06,029 --> 01:10:07.007. Otherwise I think we just could 1905 01:10:07,007 --> 01:10:09.025 walk into some potential 1906 01:10:09,025 --> 01:10:10.027 unintended consequences. thank 1907, 01:10:10,027, --> 01:10:19.006, you so much, laribee., I 1908 01:10:19,006 --> 01:10:23.028 thank you. blair, beekman here., 1909 01:10:23,028, --> 01:10:26.006.

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I thank you for the words lena. 1910 01:10:26,006 --> 01:10:30.024. She spoke very eloquently about 1911 01:10:30,024, --> 01:10:32.000, the importance of the city, 1912 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35.017 charter and in every 10 year, 1913 01:10:35,017 --> 01:10:37.021 cycle. I think it's a very 1914 01:10:37,021 --> 01:10:40.024 good, sound concept.. It is. I 1915 01:10:40,024 --> 01:10:42.008, like it a lot and lena made 1916 01:10:42,008, --> 01:10:44.004, some really good points.. I felt 1917 01:10:44,004 --> 01:10:47.012 about it..

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I personally have 1918 01:10:47,012 --> 01:10:49.008 real concerns in the next 1919 01:10:49,008 --> 01:10:51.010 you know, seven,, eight years, 1920 01:10:51,010, --> 01:10:52.018, you know,. There is going to be 1921, 01:10:52,018, -->, 01:10:53.000 contingency, that's going to 1922 01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:56.018, really come back with a strong 1923 01:10:56,018 --> 01:10:58.027 mayor. developmental issues,, 1924, 01:10:58,027, -->, 01:11:01.022, big business housing and that 1925 01:11:01,022 --> 01:11:03.003. Just frightens me to no end. 1926 01:11:03,003 --> 01:11:06.024 and I just I'm a bit afraid to 1927 01:11:06,024 --> 01:11:08.019. Take that gamble that we can.

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We 1928 01:11:08,019 --> 01:11:11.002 can defeat that purpose. Again. 1929, 01:11:11,002, --> 01:11:13.011. I hope we're defeating it at 1930, 01:11:13,011 --> 01:11:15.029 this time and we're we're 1931 01:11:15,029 --> 01:11:16.017, focusing on community ideas, 1932 01:11:16,017 --> 01:11:19.006 more, and I hope that can be our 1933 01:11:19,006 -->, 01:11:23.020, continued focus and so 1934 01:11:23,020 --> 01:11:24.011, I'm just I'm not quite 1935 01:11:24,011 --> 01:11:26.015 committed to the idea of the 1936 01:11:26,015 --> 01:11:28.000 ten year plan. As much as I can 1937 01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30.027 understand it's good reasoning: 1938 01:11:30,027, --> 01:11:32.005.

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As a fifteen year, plan. is 1939 01:11:32,005 --> 01:11:34.024 it a twenty year plan that can 1940 01:11:34,024 --> 01:11:35.018, be an alternative or different 1941 01:11:35,018 --> 01:11:40.024 option? yeah,. I don't know that 1942 01:11:40,024, --> 01:11:41.027, just my feelings about it. I 1943 01:11:41,027 --> 01:11:44.013, really worry how it can be 1944, 01:11:44,013, -->, 01:11:46.003, politically used..

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I think we're 1945 01:11:46,003 --> 01:11:48.026 doing important, meaningful work, 1946 01:11:48,026, --> 01:11:49.003 with it at this time that I 1947 01:11:49,003, --> 01:11:52.012, think can be perverted 1948 01:11:52,012, --> 01:11:54.000 eventually, and I worry about 1949 01:11:54,000, --> 01:11:59.006, that concept, and so I guess 1950 01:11:59,006 -->, 01:12:01.013 yeah. I guess that's about it: 1951 01:12:01,013, --> 01:12:02.029. All I have to say on the item: 1952 01:12:02,029, --> 01:12:04.013 at this time. thank you., good 1953, 01:12:04,013, -->. 01:12:06.028 luck in your efforts with this 1954 01:12:06,028 --> 01:12:13.024 issue. roland. thank you, mr.

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1955 01:12:13,024, -->, 01:12:15.011 chairman., with your permission, 1956 01:12:15,011 --> 01:12:17.008, before getting to the item, I'd 1957 01:12:17,008 --> 01:12:18.002 like to make a couple of 1958 01:12:18,002 --> 01:12:20.000 comments about the way: 1959 01:12:20,000 -->, 01:12:23.022 methane's, generally conducted. 1960, 01:12:23,022, --> 01:12:24.018. I'm sensing that the 1961 01:12:24,018 --> 01:12:28.008, commissioner more, has got some 1962 01:12:28,008, -->, 01:12:31.013 kind of interest in introducing 1963 01:12:31,013 --> 01:12:34.012, a substitute motion and right 1964, 01:12:34,012 --> 01:12:37.025. Now you have the primary motion: 1965 01:12:37,025, --> 01:12:40.013 on the floor is being seconded..

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1966 01:12:40,013 --> 01:12:42.021. It's entirely up to you when 1967 01:12:42,021, --> 01:12:43.023, you take public, come in., that's 1968, 01:12:43,023, --> 01:12:45.000 the case. If you can take it any 1969, 01:12:45,000 -->, 01:12:48.029 time after the items being 1970 01:12:48,029, -->, 01:12:49.006 presented., but having said 1971 01:12:49,006, -->, 01:12:52.027 that,. I think that the actual 1972 01:12:52,027 --> 01:12:54.024 protocol would be to allow 1973, 01:12:54,024 -->, 01:12:56.010 commission and much more to 1974 01:12:56,010 --> 01:12:59.028 articulate a substitute motion, 1975 01:12:59,028, -->, 01:13:01.008 and vote on that motion. Before 1976 01:13:01,008 --> 01:13:03.003.

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You go back to the primary 1977 01:13:03,003 --> 01:13:06.011 motion to substitute the 1978 01:13:06,011 --> 01:13:08.017 substitute motion passes at the 1979 01:13:08,017 --> 01:13:10.011 discussion.. Now, moving on to 1980 01:13:10,011 --> 01:13:13.015, the item itself,, I will echo 1981 01:13:13,015 --> 01:13:15.001, pretty much everybody comments: 1982 01:13:15,001, -->, 01:13:18.018 that it is not appropriate for 1983 01:13:18,018 --> 01:13:19.009 elected officials to bypass 1984, 01:13:19,009, -->, 01:13:21.014 council and directly put 1985 01:13:21,014 --> 01:13:22.029 charter amendments on the 1986 01:13:22,029 --> 01:13:24.029 ballot., and I will also echo 1987 01:13:24,029 -->. 01:13:26.023.

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All the comments I heard the 1988 01:13:26,023 --> 01:13:28.010 entire, the appropriate for this 1989 01:13:28,010 --> 01:13:30.014 commission to hold regular 1990 01:13:30,014 --> 01:13:33.028 reviews of the of the charter, 1991 01:13:33,028 --> 01:13:34.003, followed by regular 1992, 01:13:34,003, -->, 01:13:38.014, recommendations to council. and 1993 01:13:38,014 --> 01:13:39.001. That's what I would say in 1994, 01:13:39,001 --> 01:13:43.012 closing is that I believe that 1995 01:13:43,012 --> 01:13:46.018 the concerns expressed by 1996 01:13:46,018 --> 01:13:48.014, commissioner sergo is worth 1997 01:13:48,014 --> 01:13:51.005 revisiting.

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If some of the 1998 01:13:51,005 --> 01:13:54.028 concern that she has raised has 1999 01:13:54,028 --> 01:13:55.026 become a recurring issues: 2000 01:13:55,026, --> 01:13:57.000, whereby essentially a council 2001, 01:13:57,000, --> 01:13:59.007, is blocking everything. That's 2002, 01:13:59,007 --> 01:14:00.023 coming. Out of this commission.- 2003 01:14:00,023 --> 01:14:08.019 thank you. back to the 2004 01:14:08,019 --> 01:14:14.017 commission and I don't disagree. 2005 01:14:14,017, --> 01:14:15.000 with you.. I would just do it: a 2006 01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17.005 little bit: different. 2007, 01:14:17,005, --> 01:14:18.015, commissioner batts,. Where did 2008 01:14:18,015 --> 01:14:19.001?

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You want to offer a friendly 2009, 01:14:19,001 --> 01:14:31.005 amendment. All these. All these 2010 01:14:31,005 --> 01:14:34.021 fineries of process?, I think, if 2011 01:14:34,021, --> 01:14:36.001, the chair is comfortable. 2012, 01:14:36,001, --> 01:14:38.027 entertaining a second motion, 2013 01:14:38,027 --> 01:14:39.005. Should this motion fail, then 2014 01:14:39,005, --> 01:14:42.015, then I will., I will. all 2015 01:14:42,015 --> 01:14:43.001 right. Then I'm going to ask for 2016 01:14:43,001 --> 01:14:45.028 a vote on this motion and if it 2017 01:14:45,028 --> 01:14:46.006 fails.

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I will be able to ask for 2018 01:14:46,006 --> 01:14:50.006, a second motion and there's not 2019 01:14:50,006 --> 01:14:51.003, a friendly amendment to this 2020 01:14:51,003 --> 01:14:53.028 motion at this time., so the 2021 01:14:53,028 --> 01:14:54.016 clerk, will take the role again. 2022, 01:14:54,016, --> 01:14:57.007. A yes vote is to allow this 2023 01:14:57,007 --> 01:14:59.015 recommendation to go forward. 2024, 01:14:59,015, --> 01:15:00.014 does not mean it's the final 2025 01:15:00,014 --> 01:15:02.003 recommendation and no vote. 2026 01:15:02,003 --> 01:15:04.028 means that it would not go 2027 01:15:04,028 --> 01:15:06.017 forward.

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As it's recommended and 2028 01:15:06,017 --> 01:15:08.029. I will accept the second motion: 2029 01:15:08,029, --> 01:15:09.008 after that. there's a an 2030 01:15:09,008 --> 01:15:12.008 alternative motion that the 2031 01:15:12,008 --> 01:15:14.025 commission wishes to address 2032 01:15:14,025, -->, 01:15:16.005 political, take the role 2033 01:15:16,005 --> 01:15:22.023 marshman no. christina jonathan 2034, 01:15:22,023 --> 01:15:28.029 yes. elizabeth molly, no 2035 01:15:28,029, --> 01:15:39.024 matsumura yes. enrico callendar, 2036, 01:15:39,024, -->, 01:15:44.012, erika, first of all, yes. 2037, 01:15:44,012, -->, 01:15:54.009, jorge sanchez.

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We can have 2038 01:15:54,009 -->, 01:15:59.018, jeremy, verus yes., josé 2039 01:15:59,018 -->, 01:16:06.024, posadas, yes., one, the nay and 2040 01:16:06,024 --> 01:16:14.006. Those are no louise parousia, no 2041 01:16:14,006, -->, 01:16:20.020, magnolia's single, yes, maria 2042, 01:16:20,020, --> 01:16:25.014, one test; yes. themi, robledo, 2043, 01:16:25,014, -->, 01:16:34.016, yes., very cigarroa; yes, ti tranh, 2044, 01:16:34,016, -->, 01:16:41.002, no tobin, goelman, no veronica 2045, 01:16:41,002, -->, 01:16:53.013, amador, no dongzhou no., let 2046 01:16:53,013 --> 01:16:54.011 me count the votes to make sure 2047 01:16:54,011 --> 01:17:12.006.

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I just double check just to 2048 01:17:12,006 --> 01:17:23.021 be very, very crystal-clear, so 2049 01:17:23,021 --> 01:17:33.013. We have ten votes and one and 2050 01:17:33,013 --> 01:17:35.007. Nine, yes votes. that motion, 2051, 01:17:35,007, --> 01:17:39.010, does not pass.. I ask the clerk 2052 01:17:39,010 --> 01:17:42.006 to I'm looking at nine ten 2053 01:17:42,006 --> 01:17:47.000 yeses, but as I yeah I'm the 2054 01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:49.026 chair hearing commissioner 2055 01:17:49,026 --> 01:17:51.005 question whether that was a yes 2056, 01:17:51,005 --> 01:17:53.018 or no, I don't know..

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This is the 2057 01:17:53,018 --> 01:17:55.018 vote in question, but my my 2058 01:17:55,018 --> 01:18:01.017 vote was no that could have 2059 01:18:01,017 --> 01:18:02.007. Are you able to share your 2060 01:18:02,007 --> 01:18:09.005 screen? yes. moment that may 2061 01:18:09,005 --> 01:18:11.011, be the change. yeah that I 2062 01:18:11,011 --> 01:18:12.028? Think I, commissioner, which is a 2063 01:18:12,028 --> 01:18:20.006 yes.. This is the motion: we're 2064, 01:18:20,006, --> 01:18:30.006. Looking at., we have a no are 2065 01:18:30,006, --> 01:18:31.025 you able to see the screen? is 2066 01:18:31,025 --> 01:18:56.021, that clear?

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yes. can the 2067 01:18:56,021 --> 01:19:06.004 clerk, verify the count? ok, 2068 01:19:06,004 --> 01:19:16.025, ten no's and again the ss 2069 01:19:16,025 --> 01:19:17.029, and I have nine yeses to does 2070 01:19:17,029 --> 01:19:18.006. Anyone have a different count: 2071 01:19:18,006 --> 01:19:23.006 than that that verifies ok, 2072 01:19:23,006, --> 01:19:26.009, so that motion fails.. Is there 2073, 01:19:26,009 --> 01:19:31.003?

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Another motion: uh I'd like to 2074 01:19:31,003 --> 01:19:35.006 move the memo with: oh I'm 2075 01:19:35,006, --> 01:19:36.009, trying to pull it up again: 2076 01:19:36,009 --> 01:19:39.012, essentially with the portion 2077, 01:19:39,012, -->, 01:19:42.029 removed that allows for the 2078 01:19:42,029 --> 01:19:46.024 commission to directly place 2079 01:19:46,024 --> 01:19:50.007 items on the ballot.. That's a 2080 01:19:50,007 -->, 01:19:52.022 motion.! Is there a second 2081 01:19:52,022 --> 01:19:56.029? Second, I'm sorry who made the 2082 01:19:56,029 -->, 01:19:57.013, second or second, by 2083, 01:19:57,013 --> 01:20:00.025, commissioner trion?

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thank you,, 2084 01:20:00,025, -->, 01:20:03.029 mr. tran., and then there's the 2085 01:20:03,029 --> 01:20:04.017 motion and the second on the 2086 01:20:04,017 --> 01:20:07.002 floor. any discussion before we 2087 01:20:07,002 --> 01:20:13.003 go to the public, so they're 2088 01:20:13,003 --> 01:20:15.015, giving that the recommendation 2089 01:20:15,015 --> 01:20:16.022, but only with that one 2090 01:20:16,022 --> 01:20:18.019 provision, out. commissioner,, 2091, 01:20:18,019, --> 01:20:21.013.

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Can you commissioner, I'm only 2092 01:20:21,013 --> 01:20:23.001, just for clarification on this 2093 01:20:23,001 --> 01:20:27.004 motion now is to review the 2094 01:20:27,004 --> 01:20:30.010 charter every ten years, period. 2095 01:20:30,010, --> 01:20:31.019. That is the extent of the 2096 01:20:31,019 --> 01:20:35.028 motion.. It's the thank you for 2097 01:20:35,028, --> 01:20:36.013, asking about the clarification. 2098 01:20:36,013 --> 01:20:39.011. It's the full extent of the the 2099 01:20:39,011 --> 01:20:42.027 recommendation memo to the 2100 01:20:42,027 --> 01:20:43.002.

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So the only edit is removing 2101 01:20:43,002 --> 01:20:46.001 this one piece that would allow 2102 01:20:46,001 --> 01:20:47.007. You give the commission the 2103 01:20:47,007 --> 01:20:49.026 power, ok,, the supermajority, 2104 01:20:49,026 --> 01:20:50.021, the commission, the power to put 2105 01:20:50,021 --> 01:20:51.018, something directly on the 2106 01:20:51,018 --> 01:20:53.011 ballot.

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If it is not blocked by 2107 01:20:53,011 --> 01:20:55.004, the super majority and council 2108 01:20:55,004 --> 01:20:58.024, the chair shared earlier 2109 01:20:58,024 -->, 01:20:59.013, that it's a provisional vote, 2110 01:20:59,013, --> 01:21:00.019 and we're going to be 2111 01:21:00,019 --> 01:21:03.011 continuing to discuss all of it: 2112 01:21:03,011 --> 01:21:06.005, although of course the that ok, 2113 01:21:06,005 --> 01:21:12.001, most powerful commissioner 2114 01:21:12,001 --> 01:21:14.007. First of all, it just 2115 01:21:14,007 --> 01:21:15.016 clarification. I was, I was 2116 01:21:15,016 --> 01:21:16.001 voting last time just to be 2117.

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01:21:16,001 --> 01:21:18.028 moving this forward to continue 2118 01:21:18,028 --> 01:21:21.002 discussing, but so this next 2119 01:21:21,002 --> 01:21:25.028 motion is with the second 2120 01:21:25,028 --> 01:21:26.015 provision stripped from that, 2121 01:21:26,015, -->, 01:21:28.004, right? yes., and it also 2122 01:21:28,004 --> 01:21:30.002 continues. Just is a provisional 2123 01:21:30,002 --> 01:21:33.004 ballots get no vote to keep it.

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2124 01:21:33,004 --> 01:21:34.025 moving forward, but it would 2125 01:21:34,025 --> 01:21:35.020 move forward without the 2126 01:21:35,020 --> 01:21:38.009 provision about the ability of 2127 01:21:38,009 --> 01:21:40.026, the of a commission to put 2128 01:21:40,026 --> 01:21:41.018, anything as they were, majority 2129, 01:21:41,018, -->, 01:21:43.023, put on a ballot and therefore 2130 01:21:43,023, --> 01:21:44.026. The council also to have a 2131 01:21:44,026, --> 01:21:46.013 supermajority, to to to deny 2132 01:21:46,013 --> 01:21:55.020 that. ok, thank you., so you 2133, 01:21:55,020, --> 01:21:56.022, know the discussion.

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Then I'll 2134 01:21:56,022 --> 01:21:58.026 go to the public to discuss 2135 01:21:58,026 --> 01:22:00.006.

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This new motion, which is a 2136 01:22:00,006 --> 01:22:02.027 provisional vote to move 2137, 01:22:02,027 --> 01:22:04.021 forward with this., but the 2138 01:22:04,021 --> 01:22:05.000 recommendation of this 2139 01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:07.025 subcommittee with that one 2140 01:22:07,025 --> 01:22:14.029 provision, esa woodmansee, ok, 2141, 01:22:14,029, --> 01:22:16.028 thank you., so it looks like 2142 01:22:16,028, --> 01:22:19.011, we're looking at is that we 2143 01:22:19,011 --> 01:22:22.019 are going forward with well one 2144 01:22:22,019 --> 01:22:23.028 thing you said was that we're 2145 01:22:23,028 --> 01:22:25.006, going to review the charter.

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2146 01:22:25,006 -->, 01:22:29.020, commission charter review every 2147, 01:22:29,020 --> 01:22:30.002, ten years.. I think that is at 2148 01:22:30,002 -->. 01:22:32.022 least we should do that., yes. 2149, 01:22:32,022, --> 01:22:33.021, especially under the crisis's 2150 01:22:33,021 --> 01:22:35.014, that we're facing.. We should 2151 01:22:35,014 --> 01:22:37.024, definitely look at it for sure 2152, 01:22:37,024, --> 01:22:39.004, at least every ten years,, maybe 2153 01:22:39,004, --> 01:22:42.022, even more., I would say so. and 2154 01:22:42,022 --> 01:22:44.014. Then the other issue is whether 2155 01:22:44,014 --> 01:22:48.029 or not the this committee.

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This 2156 01:22:48,029 --> 01:22:50.001 commission would be allowed to 2157 01:22:50,001 --> 01:22:54.018 bring this to a vote and 2158 01:22:54,018 --> 01:22:55.001. There's a lot of costs involved, 2159 01:22:55,001, --> 01:22:58.029 in bringing it to a vote and 2160 01:22:58,029 --> 01:23:00.023, but also mostly, is a committee 2161 01:23:00,023 --> 01:23:02.011, that is representative enough. 2162 01:23:02,011 --> 01:23:06.006, to make these choices. even our 2163 01:23:06,006 --> 01:23:08.022.

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Even when our politicians put 2164 01:23:08,022 --> 01:23:10.025 things to the to the the 2165 01:23:10,025 --> 01:23:13.027 community to vote, you know,, I 2166 01:23:13,027 --> 01:23:14.018 think should be a lot easier. 2167 01:23:14,018 --> 01:23:17.024 for the community to do this., 2168 01:23:17,024, --> 01:23:18.000, but you know, like like 2169 01:23:18,000, --> 01:23:20.007. Somebody said it takes like 2170 01:23:20,007, --> 01:23:21.010, seventy thousand votes or 2171 01:23:21,010, --> 01:23:23.013, something to even have that and 2172 01:23:23,013 --> 01:23:25.008.

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Yet our politicians are able to 2173 01:23:25,008 --> 01:23:27.028, put it out to a vote and make a 2174 01:23:27,028 --> 01:23:29.014 lot of influences, you know, 2175, 01:23:29,014 --> 01:23:32.023 and have that power.. So I guess 2176 01:23:32,023 --> 01:23:33.006. The question is: is whether or 2177 01:23:33,006 --> 01:23:36.022, not this body should be able to 2178 01:23:36,022 --> 01:23:39.020 bring something to a vote.. You 2179 01:23:39,020 --> 01:23:41.014 know,. So it's a hard decision, 2180 01:23:41,014 --> 01:23:43.027, to make because we want to have 2181, 01:23:43,027, -->, 01:23:44.000, more power to the people.

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That's 2182, 01:23:44,000, --> 01:23:48.024 for certain., and yet the the 2183 01:23:48,024 --> 01:23:49.015. There is corruption, potentially 2184 01:23:49,015 --> 01:23:52.003, in the choosing of how who gets 2185 01:23:52,003 --> 01:23:54.004 on this board, and we've talked 2186 01:23:54,004 --> 01:23:56.025 about that. This board is not 2187, 01:23:56,025, -->, 01:23:57.020, free from corruption, either. 2188, 01:23:57,020, --> 01:24:00.029, and so how do we get that??

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I 2189 01:24:00,029, --> 01:24:02.024, think we need to really look at 2190, 01:24:02,024, --> 01:24:04.021, how the public could be able to 2191 01:24:04,021 --> 01:24:07.011 do things without even the 2192 01:24:07,011 --> 01:24:09.018, egregious like seven thousand 2193 01:24:09,018 --> 01:24:10.000, whatever it is, the amount of 2194 01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:13.005 it.. So whether or not this body 2195 01:24:13,005 --> 01:24:14.029 should do it,, I guess I'd, say: 2196 01:24:14,029, -->, 01:24:22.027 no. öland. thank you, mr. 2197 01:24:22,027 --> 01:24:24.004 chairman..

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I am in one hundred 2198 01:24:24,004 --> 01:24:26.020 percent in support of the 2199 01:24:26,020 --> 01:24:28.019 commission, a much smaller 2200 01:24:28,019 --> 01:24:31.003 substitute motion just for the 2201 01:24:31,003 --> 01:24:33.027 record.. That's why I believe 2202 01:24:33,027 --> 01:24:34.000 that moving forward it would be 2203 01:24:34,000, --> 01:24:37.006 preferable. If we actually, we 2204 01:24:37,006 --> 01:24:38.027 can have two motions on the 2205 01:24:38,027 --> 01:24:40.015 floor to hear the substitute, 2206, 01:24:40,015 --> 01:24:42.007 motion.

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First, before going to 2207 01:24:42,007 --> 01:24:45.015 public and also voting on the 2208 01:24:45,015 --> 01:24:47.005 substitute motion first and 2209 01:24:47,005 --> 01:24:49.026, then we've got to go back to 2210, 01:24:49,026, --> 01:24:50.025, the motion and that's my two 2211 01:24:50,025 --> 01:25:00.009 cents. thank you, barickman. I 2212 01:25:00,009 --> 01:25:07.024 we're here. yeah,, I'm this 2213 01:25:07,024 --> 01:25:09.012 is new to me. So you know 2214 01:25:09,012, --> 01:25:12.004, anything I offer most boy,.

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I 2215 01:25:12,004 --> 01:25:14.005, guess it's just you know, my 2216 01:25:14,005 --> 01:25:18.002 own musings and hopes and 2217 01:25:18,002 --> 01:25:21.008, you know,. I I should learn how 2218 01:25:21,008 --> 01:25:23.000 to I don't know if I have to 2219 01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25.020 phrase my words better to be 2220, 01:25:25,020, -->, 01:25:28.017, more open to the many choices, 2221 01:25:28,017, --> 01:25:31.017 of life- and I guess that's 2222 01:25:31,017 --> 01:25:33.007, where we're at right, now. and 2223 01:25:33,007 --> 01:25:36.002.

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So I don't really know what 2224 01:25:36,002 --> 01:25:39.005 direction, but it is best 2225, 01:25:39,005, -->, 01:25:41.018 necessarily, but it's nice to 2226 01:25:41,018 --> 01:25:42.010 offer public comment at this 2227 01:25:42,010 --> 01:25:46.006 time.. Thank you for that., you 2228 01:25:46,006, -->, 01:25:48.007 know,. It's my feeling, that, you 2229 01:25:48,007 --> 01:25:49.005 know,. We were trying to work. 2230, 01:25:49,005, -->, 01:25:53.015, hard towards uh, citizen, 2231, 01:25:53,015, -->, 01:25:56.026 oversight, ideas in policing and 2232 01:25:56,026 --> 01:25:58.026 that needed to be needed.

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A an 2233 01:25:58,026, --> 01:26:01.022 election ballot language helped 2234 01:26:01,022, -->, 01:26:03.026, created and defined by the 2235 01:26:03,026 --> 01:26:05.003 charter process.. I don't know 2236 01:26:05,003 --> 01:26:07.012, if you're completely giving 2237 01:26:07,012 --> 01:26:08.008 up on that now., I would be 2238 01:26:08,008, --> 01:26:11.022 surprised. If you would., I felt 2239 01:26:11,022 --> 01:26:12.011 that was kind of a staple that 2240 01:26:12,011 --> 01:26:14.003.

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We were counting on for the 2241 01:26:14,003 --> 01:26:16.009 future and why reimagine 2242, 01:26:16,009 --> 01:26:17.016 process would simply have to 2243 01:26:17,016 --> 01:26:19.009 continue to be talked about in 2244 01:26:19,009 --> 01:26:21.024, our in the in the charter, 2245 01:26:21,024, -->, 01:26:22.010 process to be giving all of 2246 01:26:22,010 --> 01:26:26.019 that up. yeah,, I'm just not 2247 01:26:26,019 --> 01:26:27.003, very comfortable with that 2248 01:26:27,003 --> 01:26:30.016 concept, but I want to respect 2249 01:26:30,016 --> 01:26:31.003, where everyone is coming from 2250 01:26:31,003, --> 01:26:33.007 and their opinions and ideas.

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2251 01:26:33,007 --> 01:26:36.025. But I felt working on un 2252 01:26:36,025 --> 01:26:37.009 charter issues, defining 2253, 01:26:37,009, --> 01:26:40.009 language for the charter.. I 2254 01:26:40,009 --> 01:26:42.000, guess that's first and foremost, 2255 01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:44.024 to explain the ballot process. 2256 01:26:44,024, --> 01:26:47.004, maybe is the oversight. 2257 01:26:47,004 --> 01:26:49.002 commission supposed to be 2258 01:26:49,002 --> 01:26:52.013 placed within another body to 2259 01:26:52,013 --> 01:26:53.000 eventually make it to the 2260 01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55.014 ballot?. I guess that's the 2261 01:26:55,014 --> 01:26:56.017 question.

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Hopefully that can be 2262 01:26:56,017 --> 01:27:00.019 answered here. yeah,, I don't 2263 01:27:00,019 --> 01:27:08.007 want to be able to olena 2264 01:27:08,007 --> 01:27:10.015. Thank you commissioners. I 2265 01:27:10,015 --> 01:27:11.013 would also. I would like to 2266 01:27:11,013 --> 01:27:12.012 comment that for the 2267 01:27:12,012 --> 01:27:14.008 commissioners, that have fears, 2268, 01:27:14,008 --> 01:27:16.023 on the stipulation of granting 2269 01:27:16,023 --> 01:27:18.003 people the power to place 2270 01:27:18,003, -->, 01:27:20.024 things on the ballot, while 2271 01:27:20,024 --> 01:27:21.007 valid,.

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I think we should not 2272 01:27:21,007 --> 01:27:23.010 get into the habit of being 2273 01:27:23,010 --> 01:27:25.015 shut down by fear, but having 2274 01:27:25,015 --> 01:27:26.006 the courage to get into the 2275 01:27:26,006 --> 01:27:28.015, fine print and process of 2276 01:27:28,015 --> 01:27:29.009 appointment of how things are 2277 01:27:29,009 --> 01:27:31.009 placed on the ballot.. That's 2278, 01:27:31,009 --> 01:27:33.002, the power of this document. as 2279 01:27:33,002 --> 01:27:35.011 mark stated earlier,. It is good 2280, 01:27:35,011, -->, 01:27:36.020 practice that we make the 2281 01:27:36,020 --> 01:27:38.015 implied explicit.

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So as this 2282 01:27:38,015 --> 01:27:40.024 move forward, I would encourage 2283 01:27:40,024 --> 01:27:41.001 the commission to be explicit, 2284 01:27:41,001, --> 01:27:43.020 about those concerns and how 2285 01:27:43,020 --> 01:27:44.008. We can work around it., there's 2286, 01:27:44,008, -->, 01:27:46.005, always a way to work around it. 2287, 01:27:46,005, --> 01:27:47.016.

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Just look at the terms and 2288 01:27:47,016 --> 01:27:48.015 conditions of any social media, 2289 01:27:48,015, -->, 01:27:50.017 tech company that is currently 2290, 01:27:50,017 --> 01:27:51.013 more powerful than our 2291 01:27:51,013 --> 01:27:53.020 current us constitution that by 2292 01:27:53,020 --> 01:27:54.023 agreeing. We are actually 2293 01:27:54,023 --> 01:27:55.016, waiving our fourth amendment. 2294 01:27:55,016 --> 01:27:57.000.

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Furthermore, proving that we 2295 01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:59.022, do need regular review of our 2296 01:27:59,022 --> 01:28:00.016 city constitution, so that we 2297 01:28:00,016 --> 01:28:01.011 can be protecting our 2298 01:28:01,011 --> 01:28:04.008 communities and the people and 2299 01:28:04,008 --> 01:28:07.014. The thank you to the 2300 01:28:07,014 -->. 01:28:10.017. Commission.- thank you., so 2301, 01:28:10,017, -->, 01:28:11.029, there's a motion on the floor. 2302 01:28:11,029, --> 01:28:12.022 to accept the recommendation.

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2303 01:28:12,022 --> 01:28:14.008 memmo,, with the exception of 2304 01:28:14,008 --> 01:28:16.026, the second provision, which is 2305 01:28:16,026 --> 01:28:18.021, to state that there would be 2306 01:28:18,021, --> 01:28:19.005 the commission to have the 2307 01:28:19,005 --> 01:28:21.018 authority to put with a two 2308 01:28:21,018 --> 01:28:22.025 thirds majority vote a 2309, 01:28:22,025 --> 01:28:24.024. Supermajority of excuse me to 2310 01:28:24,024 --> 01:28:25.003 be able to put something on the 2311 01:28:25,003 --> 01:28:27.029 ballot, except with the 2312 01:28:27,029 --> 01:28:28.007 supermajority vote of the 2313 01:28:28,007 --> 01:28:30.004 council to not do that.

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that 2314 01:28:30,004 --> 01:28:32.019 provision is broken, and so this 2315 01:28:32,019 --> 01:28:33.012, is now the recommendation of 2316 01:28:33,012 --> 01:28:35.020 the ten year review., the clerk 2317 01:28:35,020, --> 01:28:36.004 will take the role and this 2318 01:28:36,004 --> 01:28:38.012 again is a provisional vote to 2319 01:28:38,012 --> 01:28:39.008 continue this issue going 2320 01:28:39,008 --> 01:28:41.002 forward.. The subcommittee can 2321 01:28:41,002 --> 01:28:42.001 come back with other 2322 01:28:42,001 --> 01:28:44.016 recommendation language in 2323, 01:28:44,016, --> 01:28:45.015 terms of if there's anything 2324 01:28:45,015 --> 01:28:46.015 else.

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They can come back with 2325 01:28:46,015 --> 01:28:48.015 that, but this is to move it. 2326 01:28:48,015 -->, 01:28:49.028 forward.. The clerk could take 2327, 01:28:49,028 --> 01:28:50.013, the role I'm sorry to take the 2328 01:28:50,013 --> 01:28:56.006 vote., I'm a marshman. yes. 2329 01:28:56,006 --> 01:29:00.009 justin, jonathan yes., 2330 01:29:00,009 --> 01:29:03.025 elizabeth molly, yes. 2331, 01:29:03,025, -->, 01:29:07.002 elements from around. yes. and 2332 01:29:07,002 --> 01:29:14.016 calendar eric percival yes., 2333, 01:29:14,016, -->, 01:29:20.016, jorge sanchez tran yes., jeremy, 2334 01:29:20,016 --> 01:29:26.002 verus yes., josé posadas yes.

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2335 01:29:26,002 --> 01:29:32.004, lendio, lazaar yes., louise 2336 01:29:32,004, -->, 01:29:37.021, rosio., yes., magnolia, seagle, 2337, 01:29:37,021, -->, 01:29:41.021, yeah., maria one time; yes. 2338, 01:29:41,021, -->, 01:29:47.015, yeah., nemi, robledo.; yes, yes, 2339, 01:29:47,015, -->, 01:29:52.006, very cigarroa, that's etran, 2340, 01:29:52,006, -->, 01:29:57.006, yes. tobin, gilman, yes, veronica 2341, 01:29:57,006, -->, 01:30:03.011, amanor, yes, yongzhou yes.. I 2342 01:30:03,011, --> 01:30:06.028 wish to pass this.

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Thank you., 2343 01:30:06,028, --> 01:30:07.008 thank you., but there's will go 2344 01:30:07,008 --> 01:30:09.021 to the second item of 2345 01:30:09,021 --> 01:30:11.028 recommendation for was the 2346 01:30:11,028 --> 01:30:13.020, commissioner present.. Yes, 2347 01:30:13,020, --> 01:30:15.014, commissioner marshman. Would you 2348 01:30:15,014 --> 01:30:18.019 be willing to share your memo? 2349 01:30:18,019 --> 01:30:20.023? On adding council seats and the 2350 01:30:20,023 --> 01:30:21.011 revisions speak to the 2351 01:30:21,011 --> 01:30:23.001 revisions. You made ahead of 2352 01:30:23,001 --> 01:30:26.021, the public hearing on saturday?

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2353, 01:30:26,021, --> 01:30:31.001, the twenty fifth fair share, 2354 01:30:31,001 --> 01:30:34.011. Now I mean yeah if you'd 2355, 01:30:34,011 --> 01:30:35.016 like me to share my screen with 2356 01:30:35,016 --> 01:30:37.011. Well, I'm happy! You know I 2357 01:30:37,011 --> 01:30:40.029. Really, I don't think so, because 2358 01:30:40,029 --> 01:30:43.015. It was my understanding that 2359 01:30:43,015 --> 01:30:45.014. We would not be coming back. 2360 01:30:45,014 --> 01:30:48.021, with a new version until the 2361 01:30:48,021 -->, 01:30:49.020 eighteenth and that would be 2362 01:30:49,020 --> 01:30:51.009, the next discussion..

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It was not 2363 01:30:51,009 --> 01:30:53.006. Until the agenda came out on 2364 01:30:53,006 -->, 01:30:56.027 friday and- and I have I have 2365 01:30:56,027 --> 01:30:57.024 not made very much progress. 2366 01:30:57,024 --> 01:31:00.012. Let me tell you my thinking on 2367 01:31:00,012, --> 01:31:08.017. Oh and oh you sorry. I I've 2368 01:31:08,017 --> 01:31:12.013 just lost you.. I'm sorry. can 2369 01:31:12,013 --> 01:31:14.021. You hear me.

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yeah., you froze 2370 01:31:14,021 --> 01:31:16.000 there for a moment on your ok, 2371 01:31:16,000, --> 01:31:18.016, I'm looking here at a screen: 2372 01:31:18,016, -->, 01:31:19.028 saver of a couple of dolphins, 2373 01:31:19,028, --> 01:31:20.018, but I'll make bolita to you, 2374 01:31:20,018, --> 01:31:25.024. That says, let's. First of all, 2375 01:31:25,024 --> 01:31:27.005.

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You had on the eighteenth, 2376 01:31:27,005 --> 01:31:29.025 agenda, someone from the 2377 01:31:29,025 --> 01:31:30.005 redistricting commission to 2378 01:31:30,005 --> 01:31:35.017 speak and I have been trying to 2379 01:31:35,017 --> 01:31:36.012 find someone from the 2380 01:31:36,012 --> 01:31:38.016 commission to talk to not to 2381 01:31:38,016 --> 01:31:40.014 bring as speaker but to talk to 2382 01:31:40,014 --> 01:31:42.010 you about this, because I am 2383 01:31:42,010 -->, 01:31:44.024, hearing different things and 2384 01:31:44,024 --> 01:31:45.025.

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There is no chair at the moment: 2385 01:31:45,025, --> 01:31:46.024 and I'm hearing different 2386 01:31:46,024 --> 01:31:49.006 things about whether part of 2387 01:31:49,006 --> 01:31:52.022. This commission's charge is to 2388 01:31:52,022 --> 01:31:53.010 talk about whether to change 2389 01:31:53,010 --> 01:31:55.014, the number of council 2390 01:31:55,014, -->, 01:32:00.025 districts.. I I believe this 2391 01:32:00,025 --> 01:32:01.000 this commission, this 2392 01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:04.013 redistricting commission's work, 2393 01:32:04,013, --> 01:32:07.017 will be really informative.

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2394 01:32:07,017 --> 01:32:09.018 about whether we have an 2395, 01:32:09,018, --> 01:32:11.020 issue, going forward with not 2396 01:32:11,020 -->, 01:32:12.016 being able to represent 2397 01:32:12,016, --> 01:32:14.008 community of interests; well, 2398, 01:32:14,008, -->, 01:32:17.010 enough or whether perhaps 2399 01:32:17,010 --> 01:32:20.009. Perhaps we're still ok..

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I am 2400 01:32:20,009 --> 01:32:24.023 personally, not in favor of our 2401 01:32:24,023 --> 01:32:28.017, recommending opening wide 2402 01:32:28,017 --> 01:32:31.024, suggesting some low number 2403 01:32:31,024 --> 01:32:33.015 population in a council, 2404 01:32:33,015, -->, 01:32:35.016 district and dramatically 2405 01:32:35,016 --> 01:32:36.007 increasing the number of 2406 01:32:36,007 --> 01:32:39.022 council members, because I think 2407 01:32:39,022 --> 01:32:43.019.

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That will require a various 2408 01:32:43,019 --> 01:32:47.016 changes in in government that I 2409 01:32:47,016, --> 01:32:49.014, think probably are rife with 2410 01:32:49,014 --> 01:32:51.008 unintended consequences could 2411 01:32:51,008 --> 01:32:54.008 be a great idea.. I don't see 2412 01:32:54,008 --> 01:32:56.019 us being able to come to that 2413 01:32:56,019 --> 01:32:59.006 conclusion now. So I am not 2414 01:32:59,006 --> 01:33:03.005, probably going to recommend 2415 01:33:03,005 --> 01:33:05.015, putting forth a major 2416 01:33:05,015 --> 01:33:08.023 recommendation.

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I originally 2417 01:33:08,023 --> 01:33:11.010 said I like to consider two 2418 01:33:11,010 --> 01:33:14.009 additional council seats to 2419 01:33:14,009 --> 01:33:17.024 to improve representation of 2420 01:33:17,024 --> 01:33:18.001 community of interest, and I 2421 01:33:18,001 --> 01:33:20.002 suspect, that's where I'm going 2422 01:33:20,002 --> 01:33:22.006 to end up., but I am researching 2423 01:33:22,006 --> 01:33:24.021 for ok. So what I'm hearing 2424 01:33:24,021 --> 01:33:25.006 you say, I think, is that you're 2425 01:33:25,006 --> 01:33:28.001 interested in hearing more 2426, 01:33:28,001 --> 01:33:29.001 about the redistricting 2427 01:33:29,001. --≫. 01:33:30.011.

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Commission.- that's a request: 2428 01:33:30,011, --> 01:33:32.025 you've made and that that 2429 01:33:32,025 --> 01:33:33.009 information might influence a 2430 01:33:33,009 --> 01:33:36.003 recommendation that is 2431 01:33:36,003 --> 01:33:37.006 considered from this 2432 01:33:37,006 -->. 01:33:39.014 commission.- it has set up 2433, 01:33:39,014, -->, 01:33:40.000 ok.

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well,, because they're 2434 01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:43.003, looking at the numbers ok,, so I 2435 01:33:43,003 --> 01:33:44.029 would like for us to be able to 2436 01:33:44,029 --> 01:33:45.012, follow the same process and I 2437 01:33:45,012 --> 01:33:47.013 do understand that there's sort 2438, 01:33:47,013 --> 01:33:49.026 of some unknowns here. we do 2439, 01:33:49,026 --> 01:33:52.028 have on the 18th a presentation: 2440 01:33:52,028 --> 01:33:53.019 about the redistricting 2441 01:33:53,019 --> 01:33:57.007, commission city clerk, toni 2442 01:33:57,007 --> 01:33:59.022 tabor..

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Can you share anything 2443 01:33:59,022 --> 01:34:00.003 about our efforts to bring that 2444 01:34:00,003 --> 01:34:02.024 information to commissioners?, 2445 01:34:02,024, --> 01:34:03.009. I mean I'm actually working 2446, 01:34:03,009 --> 01:34:05.001 on a memo to outline the 2447 01:34:05,001 --> 01:34:07.020 redistricting process. 2448 01:34:07,020 --> 01:34:08.001 consultants are not available. 2449 01:34:08,001, --> 01:34:11.019 to come in and answer questions, 2450 01:34:11,019 --> 01:34:12.027 about the process and working 2451, 01:34:12,027 --> 01:34:13.000 with them on the memo to make 2452 01:34:13,000, --> 01:34:15.020. Sure I capture everything, 2453 01:34:15,020, --> 01:34:18.008 correctly and make.

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May I ask or 2454 01:34:18,008 --> 01:34:20.024 may lawrence ask for me, 2455 01:34:20,024 --> 01:34:23.027 toni,. If, if, if that report will 2456 01:34:23,027 --> 01:34:25.012 include whether or not their 2457 01:34:25,012 --> 01:34:29.026 charge includes possibly 2458 01:34:29,026 --> 01:34:30.003 recommend a change in the 2459 01:34:30,003 --> 01:34:33.014 number of districts.. I can tell 2460 01:34:33,014 --> 01:34:34.020 you right now that it's not in 2461 01:34:34,020, --> 01:34:36.029, their charge.

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ok, thank you., 2462, 01:34:36,029, --> 01:34:38.027, that's helpful and no, I just 2463 01:34:38,027 --> 01:34:41.000 thought it was city attorney, 2464, 01:34:41,000, -->, 01:34:43.001 of any yes., I'm going to share 2465 01:34:43,001, --> 01:34:45.026, a know. The clerk answered, 2466, 01:34:45,026 --> 01:34:45.015 that I was going to say that 2467 01:34:45,015 --> 01:34:47.001 they're only limited to just 2468 01:34:47,001 --> 01:34:49.008 redistricting, the ten council 2469 01:34:49,008, -->, 01:34:51.005, districts. ok,. Ok, thank you! 2470 01:34:51,005, -->, 01:34:53.021, very much., that's helpful., so 2471 01:34:53,021, --> 01:34:54.009.

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I will put out a I will: 2472 01:34:54,009 --> 01:34:56.000 try to get a memo out by the 2473 01:34:56,000 --> 01:35:00.023 end of next week., the ways 2474 01:35:00,023 --> 01:35:02.000. Before the the meeting on the 2475 01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:05.017, eighteenth to firm up some of 2476 01:35:05,017 --> 01:35:06.002, the other things I'm working on 2477 01:35:06,002, -->, 01:35:08.008 and I'd like to propose 2478, 01:35:08,008 --> 01:35:09.028, something different that that 2479 01:35:09,028 --> 01:35:11.024.

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We we bring forward the memo as 2480 01:35:11,024, --> 01:35:12.024, currently written for 2481 01:35:12,024 --> 01:35:13.020 discussion like we've, been 2482, 01:35:13,020, -->, 01:35:14.001, doing with all the other 2483 01:35:14,001 --> 01:35:17.005 recommendations and then based 2484, 01:35:17,005, --> 01:35:19.024 on the conversation here, use, 2485, 01:35:19,024, --> 01:35:20.006, that to inform and if there's 2486, 01:35:20,006 --> 01:35:22.014 interest from commissioners and 2487 01:35:22,014 --> 01:35:23.020. Moving this item, forward, use 2488, 01:35:23,020, -->, 01:35:24.014 that to inform revisions you 2489 01:35:24,014 --> 01:35:26.001 bring back on the 18th. 2490 01:35:26,001 --> 01:35:29.012, that's great.!

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Ok, with that 2491 01:35:29,012 --> 01:35:30.003. Can you refresh us just really 2492 01:35:30,003 --> 01:35:32.003 high level about what the the 2493 01:35:32,003 --> 01:35:34.008 latest version of the of the 2494 01:35:34,008 --> 01:35:36.018 recommendation is as far as 2495 01:35:36,018 --> 01:35:37.005 expanding council, the 2496 01:35:37,005 --> 01:35:41.027 recommendation was to look at 2497 01:35:41,027 --> 01:35:42.006.

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My recommendation initially was 2498 01:35:42,006 --> 01:35:46.012 to have the next 2499 01:35:46,012 --> 01:35:47.002 redistricting commission, 2500, 01:35:47,002 --> 01:35:49.008, assuming we're doing one in the 2501 01:35:49,008 --> 01:35:52.005 next ten years, look at it in 2502, 01:35:52,005, -->, 01:35:54.021, light of this redistricting but 2503 01:35:54,021, --> 01:35:55.028 that we seriously consider 2504, 01:35:55,028, --> 01:35:59.009, adding to council districts, 2505 01:35:59,009, --> 01:36:02.014, bringing us up to twelve 2506 01:36:02,014 --> 01:36:05.016.

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Thirteen with the mayor, which I 2507 01:36:05,016 --> 01:36:07.007, think would probably better 2508 01:36:07,007 --> 01:36:09.008 allow us to better represent 2509 01:36:09,008 --> 01:36:12.023 community of interest without 2510 01:36:12,023 --> 01:36:14.027 dramatically changing the 2511 01:36:14,027 --> 01:36:17.021 dynamic the work dynamic of a 2512 01:36:17,021, --> 01:36:20.012 city council, which I think does 2513 01:36:20,012 --> 01:36:24.024 happen when the seattle city, 2514, 01:36:24,024, --> 01:36:25.007 council works very differently: 2515 01:36:25,007 --> 01:36:27.019 from ours., I'm not prepared to 2516 01:36:27,019 --> 01:36:29.017 do a report on it, but but it's 2517, 01:36:29,017 --> 01:36:31.026, a different animal.

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chicago is 2518 01:36:31,026 --> 01:36:34.018 different from ours. So that's 2519, 01:36:34,018 --> 01:36:37.005, where we are now. some folks at 2520, 01:36:37,005 --> 01:36:40.018 at the community discussion and 2521 01:36:40,018 --> 01:36:42.011 among board members felt that 2522 01:36:42,011 --> 01:36:44.001. We ought to just be throwing 2523 01:36:44,001 --> 01:36:47.013 this wide open and saying that 2524 01:36:47,013 --> 01:36:49.001 that you know,. We should 2525 01:36:49,001 --> 01:36:51.017 increase and increase the 2526 01:36:51,017 --> 01:36:54.001 council to whatever.

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no,, I'm 2527 01:36:54,001 --> 01:36:56.008, not sure how we determine what 2528 01:36:56,008 --> 01:36:59.027 number of people want. Although 2529 01:36:59,027 --> 01:37:00.017, our outreach meeting was better 2530 01:37:00,017 --> 01:37:03.004 than what was actually helpful., 2531 01:37:03,004 --> 01:37:07.009. I thought that they brought 2532 01:37:07,009 --> 01:37:10.005, some good ideas to the table: 2533 01:37:10,005 --> 01:37:14.028. So I guess the I think it's 2534 01:37:14,028 --> 01:37:15.015 fine to move it forward now. 2535 01:37:15,015 --> 01:37:18.012. This way.

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If, if the gets 2536 01:37:18,012 --> 01:37:22.015 rejected as as a limited, 2537, 01:37:22,015, --> 01:37:25.008 recommendation, then somebody 2538, 01:37:25,008, --> 01:37:27.020 can make a recommendation for 2539 01:37:27,020 --> 01:37:28.008 whatever and I'll continue to 2540 01:37:28,008 --> 01:37:31.012 research, it and report on it. 2541, 01:37:31,012, --> 01:37:32.017 great. thank you.

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just to 2542 01:37:32,017 --> 01:37:34.029 clarify I'm looking at the the 2543 01:37:34,029 --> 01:37:36.003 revised recommendation memo and 2544 01:37:36,003 --> 01:37:39.005, really the it seems like the 2545 01:37:39,005 --> 01:37:41.027, the the heart of it is to 2546 01:37:41,027 --> 01:37:42.004 recommend that the question of 2547 01:37:42,004, --> 01:37:44.015 expanding council be studied. 2548 01:37:44,015, --> 01:37:45.028 before the next redistricting 2549 01:37:45,028 -->, 01:37:46.023 process. correct., not that 2550 01:37:46,023 --> 01:37:47.020. There would be anything that 2551 01:37:47,020, --> 01:37:49.026 would be changed right, now., so 2552 01:37:49,026, --> 01:37:50.010.

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This is not necessarily a 2553 01:37:50,010 --> 01:37:54.006 charter revision that your 2554 01:37:54,006 --> 01:37:55.005, bringing forth for the 2555 01:37:55,005 --> 01:37:57.025 commission to adopt, but more a 2556 01:37:57,025 --> 01:37:59.000 little less than a not quite 2557 01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:01.002. A policy recommendation but 2558 01:38:01,002, --> 01:38:03.009. This is an encouragement for 2559, 01:38:03,009, --> 01:38:05.000 city council to look into this 2560 01:38:05,000, --> 01:38:07.016 for them, and others felt 2561, 01:38:07,016, --> 01:38:09.025 that that we should actually 2562 01:38:09,025 --> 01:38:13.026 recommend an increase. and 2563 01:38:13,026 --> 01:38:15.029 again,.

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My reservation is I 2564 01:38:15,029 --> 01:38:16.015. Don't know how to do that in 2565. 01:38:16,015 --> 01:38:19.012 the next month, because we don't 2566, 01:38:19,012, --> 01:38:21.019, know enough. ok,, understood., 2567, 01:38:21,019, -->, 01:38:23.016 ok, well chair. Shall we go 2568 01:38:23,016 --> 01:38:25.007 forward with the discussion on 2569 01:38:25,007 --> 01:38:28.021 that recommendation? yes. all 2570 01:38:28,021 --> 01:38:30.022 right. fantastic.?

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Do we have 2571 01:38:30,022 --> 01:38:31.002 any other commissioners that 2572 01:38:31,002 --> 01:38:33.016 that have thoughts on on 2573 01:38:33,016 --> 01:38:34.006 this recommendation as it 2574 01:38:34,006 --> 01:38:38.021 stands, particularly after the 2575 01:38:38,021 --> 01:38:39.026 public hearing, great 2576, 01:38:39,026, -->, 01:38:40.007 commissioners posadas, the 2577 01:38:40,007 -->, 01:38:42.006 commissioners. We train and 2578 01:38:42,006 --> 01:38:45.001, commissioner mondli, I just 2579 01:38:45,001 --> 01:38:47.026 want you to make the comment: 2580 01:38:47,026, --> 01:38:48.021 and I don't remember which 2581 01:38:48,021 --> 01:38:50.017 commissioner made the 2582 01:38:50,017 --> 01:38:52.012 suggestion.

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But there was a 2583 01:38:52,012 --> 01:38:54.010 suggestion of reaching out to 2584 01:38:54,010 --> 01:38:57.021, the office of racially equity, 2585 01:38:57,021 --> 01:38:59.004, what they feel about the size: 2586 01:38:59,004, -->, 01:39:02.006 of the city council, districts., 2587, 01:39:02,006, --> 01:39:03.006. So I remember that coming out, 2588 01:39:03,006 --> 01:39:04.006 that one of our meetings. 2589 01:39:04,006 -->, 01:39:07.026 yes.. I I will. I will be doing 2590 01:39:07,026 --> 01:39:10.010 that. thank you,, 2591, 01:39:10,010, -->, 01:39:15.026 commissioner.. We tread I'll, be 2592, 01:39:15,026, --> 01:39:16.001 supporting that..

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So I do 2593 01:39:16,001 --> 01:39:18.026 believe that we should actually 2594 01:39:18,026 --> 01:39:21.027 go and no I mean that the the I 2595 01:39:21,027 -->, 01:39:23.024, think city some consideration. I 2596 01:39:23,024 --> 01:39:24.003 thought of what you could put 2597 01:39:24,003 --> 01:39:27.017 out today. What a no can be or 2598 01:39:27,017 --> 01:39:28.009 should be based on population 2599, 01:39:28,009 --> 01:39:32.024 size, but if this is going to be 2600, 01:39:32,024 --> 01:39:33.002 the final product, ultimately I 2601 01:39:33,002 --> 01:39:35.013 would kind of.

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I don't know if I 2602 01:39:35,013 --> 01:39:36.020 can support just saying hey, we 2603 01:39:36,020, --> 01:39:38.011 should take a look.

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The go go: go 2604, 01:39:38,011, --> 01:39:40.016 with the number I think twelve 2605 01:39:40,016 --> 01:39:41.001 can still be a reasonable 2606 01:39:41,001 --> 01:39:45.007 number and it does allow for 2607 01:39:45,007 --> 01:39:46.021, more opportunities for various 2608 01:39:46,021 --> 01:39:47.005 communities them because I 2609 01:39:47,005, --> 01:39:50.010, don't think any any of us can 2610 01:39:50,010 --> 01:39:51.018 say that there's only one 2611 01:39:51,018 --> 01:39:52.005 district in san jose that is 2612 01:39:52,005 --> 01:39:55.017 uniform across the board. thank 2613, 01:39:55,017 -->, 01:39:57.011 you..

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Thank you, commissioner 2614 01:39:57,011 --> 01:40:01.017 manley., oh yes. thank you.. I 2615 01:40:01,017 --> 01:40:03.020 just have some concerns about 2616 01:40:03,020, --> 01:40:05.015, anything that might bump up 2617 01:40:05,015 --> 01:40:10.003 against the work of the of the 2618 01:40:10,003 --> 01:40:12.015 redistricting committee, 2619, 01:40:12,015 -->, 01:40:15.014 commission and I have a hard 2620, 01:40:15,014 --> 01:40:19.028 time wanting to you, know, 2621, 01:40:19,028, --> 01:40:22.003 approve this or vote for it. 2622 01:40:22,003 --> 01:40:25.029. Without knowing more about 2623, 01:40:25,029, --> 01:40:28.028, what's being done, elsewhere. we 2624 01:40:28,028 --> 01:40:29.022.

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Just we don't want to be 2625 01:40:29,022, -->, 01:40:32.021 working at cross purposes and 2626 01:40:32,021 --> 01:40:35.005, delivering to different memos, 2627 01:40:35,005 --> 01:40:37.026 on the same thing. I don't 2628, 01:40:37,026, -->, 01:40:39.020, think to city council.- mr. 2629 01:40:39,020 -->, 01:40:41.024 mayor,, my prime minister 2630 01:40:41,024 --> 01:40:43.019. Only if I could answer we've 2631 01:40:43,019 --> 01:40:46.006 asked the clerk toni taber to 2632 01:40:46,006 --> 01:40:48.027 actually give us a memo that 2633 01:40:48,027 --> 01:40:49.017.

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That's what she's referring to 2634 01:40:49,017 --> 01:40:51.010, which clarifies the role of the 2635 01:40:51,010 --> 01:40:53.003, redistricting commission, so 2636 01:40:53,003, --> 01:40:55.027, that to avoid exactly the issue: 2637 01:40:55,027 --> 01:40:56.009 that you're raising and she'll 2638 01:40:56,009 --> 01:40:59.008 deliver that to us so that we 2639 01:40:59,008 --> 01:41:01.000 can make sure that we don't 2640 01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:04.003 have any cross purposes or be 2641 01:41:04,003, --> 01:41:05.028 clear about what they're doing 2642 01:41:05,028 --> 01:41:06.014 and what we're doing exactly. 2643 01:41:06,014, --> 01:41:08.015!

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That's that memo will be coming: 2644, 01:41:08,015, -->, 01:41:10.024 out and city clerk,. Can you 2645 01:41:10,024 --> 01:41:11.028 tell us when that memo will 2646 01:41:11,028 --> 01:41:15.026 come out the agenda for next 2647 01:41:15,026 --> 01:41:17.025 week or for the 18th? well, 2648 01:41:17,025 --> 01:41:19.002 published this friday, so I'll 2649, 01:41:19,002, --> 01:41:21.025. Have it attached to the agenda? 2650 01:41:21,025 --> 01:41:25.022 on friday. thank you.. So a 2651 01:41:25,022 --> 01:41:27.012 vote to move this forward, move 2652, 01:41:27,012, --> 01:41:29.026. It forward then write 2653, 01:41:29,026, --> 01:41:31.009. Without the memo.

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correct., it's 2654 01:41:31,009 --> 01:41:33.021, a provisional vote. Tonight. it 2655 01:41:33,021 --> 01:41:35.010 will not be a final vote and 2656 01:41:35,010 --> 01:41:37.001 you'll have the memo from the 2657 01:41:37,001 --> 01:41:39.020 clerk before that vote and 2658 01:41:39,020 --> 01:41:41.007 before and have time to make 2659 01:41:41,007 --> 01:41:44.008 your consideration. ok, thank 2660 01:41:44,008 --> 01:41:48.015 you. thank you. commissioner 2661 01:41:48,015 --> 01:41:52.011 gilman. yeah,.

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I am going to 2662 01:41:52,011 --> 01:41:54.004 vote to to not move this one 2663 01:41:54,004 --> 01:41:56.010 forward and really a couple of 2664 01:41:56,010 --> 01:41:59.028, reasons. one,. I do think that 2665 01:41:59,028 --> 01:42:02.025 the mayoral election cycle as 2666 01:42:02,025 --> 01:42:04.001. Well as the mayoral powers, 2667 01:42:04,001 --> 01:42:08.028 issue could have a bearing on 2668 01:42:08,028 --> 01:42:09.009 when and how many districts 2669 01:42:09,009 --> 01:42:11.010 that might have. so there's 2670, 01:42:11,010 --> 01:42:13.025. Some uncertainty around that 2671 01:42:13,025 --> 01:42:15.015.

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Also, I've heard a number of 2672 01:42:15,015 --> 01:42:17.007 members from the public call it 2673 01:42:17,007, --> 01:42:20.001, and express higher priorities. 2674 01:42:20,001 --> 01:42:22.004 and I feel like some of those 2675 01:42:22,004 --> 01:42:23.027 things that the public has 2676 01:42:23,027 --> 01:42:25.015 expressed a desire to see more 2677 01:42:25,015 --> 01:42:29.020 focus on are being somewhat 2678, 01:42:29,020 -->, 01:42:30.020 compromised. and I think, if we 2679 01:42:30,020 --> 01:42:31.025 were to take this one off the 2680 01:42:31,025 --> 01:42:32.019 table,.

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This might allow a 2681 01:42:32,019 --> 01:42:33.027 little more time for 2682 01:42:33,027 --> 01:42:34.015 deliberation that some of these 2683 01:42:34,015 --> 01:42:37.024 other issues.. So I appreciate 2684 01:42:37,024 --> 01:42:38.019 the work of the subcommittee.. I 2685 01:42:38,019 --> 01:42:40.004 hate to be a downer on this one 2686 01:42:40,004 --> 01:42:42.011, but I think for those reasons, 2687 01:42:42,011 --> 01:42:44.013, I'd like to be supporting to 2688 01:42:44,013 --> 01:42:47.005, move on from this one. thank 2689, 01:42:47,005 -->, 01:42:51.019 you,, commissioner seagle. oh,, 2690, 01:42:51,019, --> 01:42:52.027.

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It's just a question for 2691 01:42:52,027, --> 01:42:53.023. Commissioner marshman.. I wonder 2692 01:42:53,023 --> 01:42:56.023. If she is interested in making 2693 01:42:56,023 --> 01:43:01.027 motion to just pass on 2694 01:43:01,027 --> 01:43:05.004 voting until you know, until 2695 01:43:05,004, --> 01:43:07.019, the information comes in that 2696 01:43:07,019 --> 01:43:08.012. She wants. so we're not saying 2697 01:43:08,012 --> 01:43:10.005 no, we're not saying as we're 2698 01:43:10,005 --> 01:43:12.016, just moving it forward until 2699, 01:43:12,016, -->, 01:43:15.018, she's comfortable..

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Isn't that 2700 01:43:15,018 --> 01:43:17.009 what we would be doing now to 2701 01:43:17,009 --> 01:43:19.000, just move this move to either 2702 01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:21.001 move this forward or not look 2703 01:43:21,001 --> 01:43:24.006 at it. At all? yeah, I mean 2704 01:43:24,006, --> 01:43:25.002. This is the process. We've been 2705 01:43:25,002 --> 01:43:26.022, following with every 2706 01:43:26,022 --> 01:43:27.003 recommendation is the same and 2707 01:43:27,003 --> 01:43:31.002 we're really trying to to stay. 2708, 01:43:31,002 --> 01:43:34.018 stay true to that process. and 2709 01:43:34,018 --> 01:43:35.026 again,.

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The idea here is that 2710 01:43:35,026 --> 01:43:36.001. If folks there's enough 2711 01:43:36,001 --> 01:43:38.021 interest in continuing the 2712 01:43:38,021 --> 01:43:39.023 discussion on this 2713 01:43:39,023 --> 01:43:42.012 recommendation vote. Yes, so that 2714 01:43:42,012 --> 01:43:45.009, we can hear from the city clerk 2715 01:43:45,009 --> 01:43:47.015 about the role of redistricting 2716 01:43:47,015 --> 01:43:48.026 commission versus chair 2717, 01:43:48,026 --> 01:43:52.009 commission.

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Here, a revised 2718 01:43:52,009 --> 01:43:54.025 recommendation based on 2719 01:43:54,025 --> 01:43:55.018, commissioner marksman's for the 2720 01:43:55,018 --> 01:43:57.008 research and work and have 2721 01:43:57,008 --> 01:43:59.010 additional discussion and a 2722 01:43:59,010 --> 01:44:04.002 final vote on the 18th 2723 01:44:04,002 --> 01:44:06.000, commissioner amador and then 2724 01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:08.006, commissioner fleitas. great. 2725 01:44:08,006 --> 01:44:10.015 thank you.. I would be 2726 01:44:10,015 --> 01:44:11.011, supporting this motion to move 2727 01:44:11,011 --> 01:44:14.022 forward.

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also want to emphasize 2728 01:44:14,022 --> 01:44:17.003 that the impact of bringing the 2729 01:44:17,003 --> 01:44:21.019 race and equity office here, 2730 01:44:21,019 --> 01:44:23.017, because I think they have much 2731 01:44:23,017 --> 01:44:26.024 data that we need in order to 2732 01:44:26,024 --> 01:44:28.006 make that equitable. really 2733 01:44:28,006 --> 01:44:32.001. Think about those equitable 2734 01:44:32,001 --> 01:44:34.017. Right now we will be putting in 2735 01:44:34,017 --> 01:44:37.001 again to like somebody you 2736 01:44:37,001 --> 01:44:39.018 mentioned before,.

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I think 2737 01:44:39,018 --> 01:44:40.018, it's better than saying nothing: 2738, 01:44:40,018 --> 01:44:42.027 and let's wait 10 more years., 2739 01:44:42,027, -->, 01:44:43.000, there's, there's no more 2740 01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:46.026 waiting. we've waited enough. 2741 01:44:46,026, -->, 01:44:47.010 and people are being pushed out, 2742 01:44:47,010, --> 01:44:49.011 and who are those people?. The 2743 01:44:49,011 --> 01:44:50.010 same people who are 2744 01:44:50,010, -->, 01:44:52.014, marginalized,, the same people, 2745 01:44:52,014, --> 01:44:54.012, who have been marginalized for 2746, 01:44:54,012, -->, 01:44:57.022 years., so again, I with the 2747 01:44:57,022 --> 01:44:59.026 memo.

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I also want to see if we 2748 01:44:59,026 --> 01:45:01.027 can get a memo or what can we 2749? 01:45:01,027 --> 01:45:04.009 do to get a memo from a 2750 01:45:04,009 --> 01:45:07.003 recommendation memo from the 2751 01:45:07,003 --> 01:45:10.012 office of racial equity from 2752 01:45:10,012, -->, 01:45:13.023 sc. thank you.. Thank you. 2753 01:45:13,023, --> 01:45:14.002, commissioner for tests and 2754 01:45:14,002 --> 01:45:18.006 investor johnson thank you..

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I 2755 01:45:18,006 --> 01:45:20.009 just want to make sure that as 2756 01:45:20,009 --> 01:45:21.008 we're looking at you give me 2757 01:45:21,008 --> 01:45:23.026 more time, and I and I support 2758 01:45:23,026 --> 01:45:25.012, that that we are also getting 2759.

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01:45:25,012 --> 01:45:27.021 the information as we said, 2760 01:45:27,021 --> 01:45:28.002, doing everything we've already 2761 01:45:28,002 --> 01:45:30.024 said., but I want to make sure 2762, 01:45:30,024 --> 01:45:32.005, that we are looking at other 2763 01:45:32,005 -->, 01:45:37.018 cities that have more city, 2764, 01:45:37,018, -->, 01:45:38.011, council members, even than the 2765 01:45:38,011 --> 01:45:41.029 twelve, because I think our goal 2766 01:45:41,029 --> 01:45:44.000, should be that we have a city, 2767, 01:45:44,000, -->, 01:45:47.024 council, that does everything.

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2768 01:45:47,024 --> 01:45:48.018 possible to be inclusive of our 2769 01:45:48,018 -->, 01:45:51.000 entire city, and it could be 2770 01:45:51,000, -->, 01:45:53.022 that it's more than twelve. it 2771 01:45:53,022 --> 01:45:54.008 could be. I don't know, fourteen 2772, 01:45:54,008, --> 01:45:56.004 or a different number., but I 2773 01:45:56,004, --> 01:45:59.011, think doing external research, 2774 01:45:59,011, --> 01:46:00.004, as much as we can is really 2775. 01:46:00,004 --> 01:46:02.015 important to look at other 2776 01:46:02,015 --> 01:46:04.009 cities that have bigger, bigger 2777, 01:46:04,009, -->, 01:46:07.005 city council seats than we do.

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2778 01:46:07,005 -->, 01:46:10.016 ok,. Thank you for sure. 2779, 01:46:10,016, -->, 01:46:13.019 johnson. thank you.. I think 2780 01:46:13,019 --> 01:46:14.002. This is a really important 2781 01:46:14,002 --> 01:46:16.021 topic and we've been discussing 2782 01:46:16,021, --> 01:46:17.011 it in our subcommittee, a lot 2783, 01:46:17,011, -->, 01:46:20.015 and barber has been doing.

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2784, 01:46:20,015, -->, 01:46:22.008, really great research, and I 2785 01:46:22,008 --> 01:46:25.015 want to echo maria's comments: 2786 01:46:25,015 --> 01:46:26.004 about looking into other 2787 01:46:26,004 --> 01:46:28.006 cities to see how it's 2788, 01:46:28,006 --> 01:46:30.024 benefited their residents to 2789 01:46:30,024 --> 01:46:31.003 have more council members to 2790 01:46:31,003 --> 01:46:33.028 represent them and how that's 2791, 01:46:33,028 --> 01:46:34.021 affect representation, overall. 2792, 01:46:34,021, --> 01:46:36.021. So I'm in support of this 2793 01:46:36,021 --> 01:46:39.024 recommendation forward. thank 2794, 01:46:39,024 -->, 01:46:44.014 you,, commissioner matsumura.

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2795 01:46:44,014 --> 01:46:46.004 thank you., I'm also in support 2796 01:46:46,004 --> 01:46:48.016 of moving this recommendation. 2797 01:46:48,016 -->, 01:46:50.001 forward.. I think the 2798 01:46:50,001 --> 01:46:52.004 perspectives that we've heard 2799 01:46:52,004 --> 01:46:53.011 from some of our fellow 2800 01:46:53,011 --> 01:46:54.011 commissioners, as well as the 2801 01:46:54,011 --> 01:46:57.019 public, about the importance of 2802 01:46:57,019 --> 01:46:59.015. This is a potential tool to 2803 01:46:59,015 --> 01:47:00.011 increase and improve 2804 01:47:00,011 --> 01:47:02.011 representation in jose, but a 2805 01:47:02,011 --> 01:47:06.001 very important.

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I also am 2806 01:47:06,001 --> 01:47:08.020, supportive of the approach and 2807 01:47:08,020 --> 01:47:10.018, specifically taken in the memo 2808 01:47:10,018 --> 01:47:13.013, which you recapped well 2809, 01:47:13,013, -->, 01:47:15.022 lawrence and saying that it's a 2810, 01:47:15,022 --> 01:47:16.023 recommendation to include this 2811 01:47:16,023 --> 01:47:17.024 in the charge for the next 2812 01:47:17,024. --≫. 01:47:20.014. Commission.- I definitely hear 2813 01:47:20,014 --> 01:47:24.025 the urgency of this issue, but 2814 01:47:24,025 --> 01:47:25.026 playing out. Where are we to go?

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2815 01:47:25,026, -->, 01:47:26.000, ahead and recommend, for 2816 01:47:26,000, -->, 01:47:28.011 example, to additional 2817 01:47:28,011 --> 01:47:31.021 districts. That then takes time. 2818 01:47:31,021 --> 01:47:33.027 for voters to act on it?, then 2819, 01:47:33,027, -->, 01:47:35.007, there's additional time to 2820 01:47:35,007 --> 01:47:39.002 presume we impanel a special 2821 01:47:39,002 --> 01:47:41.016 redistricting commission to 2822 01:47:41,016 --> 01:47:43.028 design, the new districts. I 2823, 01:47:43,028 --> 01:47:44.011, think it would take quite a 2824 01:47:44,011 --> 01:47:47.004 while to implement and then 2825 01:47:47,004 --> 01:47:50.013.

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Would we don't actually know if 2826 01:47:50,013, --> 01:47:51.024 twelve is not? Potentially we 2827, 01:47:51,024 --> 01:47:52.020 actually need fourteen and that 2828 01:47:52,020 --> 01:47:54.016 would be a better number. But I 2829 01:47:54,016 --> 01:47:56.026 think we would taking some of 2830 01:47:56,026 --> 01:47:57.019 the political wind out of the 2831 01:47:57,019 --> 01:47:59.003 sails so that the next 2832 01:47:59,003 --> 01:48:01.006 commission wouldn't really be 2833.

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01:48:01,006 --> 01:48:02.012 able to revisit and make a 2834 01:48:02,012 --> 01:48:03.020 strong recommendation for a 2835 01:48:03,020, -->, 01:48:04.027, larger number of districts, 2836 01:48:04,027, --> 01:48:06.012, because everyone kind of worn, 2837, 01:48:06,012, --> 01:48:09.005 out by the process to date. so 2838 01:48:09,005, --> 01:48:11.005. I. For that reason, I do believe 2839 01:48:11,005 --> 01:48:13.005. It's worth doing this. Well, I 2840 01:48:13,005, --> 01:48:15.021, don't think moving to to twelve 2841 01:48:15,021 --> 01:48:16.005 districts right now.

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Actually, 2842, 01:48:16,005, --> 01:48:19.020 saves us a lot of time and I 2843 01:48:19,020 --> 01:48:20.011 think we could potentially come 2844 01:48:20,011 --> 01:48:23.006 up with a better solution, given 2845 01:48:23,006 --> 01:48:25.003 the time both for research and 2846 01:48:25,003 --> 01:48:27.023 for the community, organizing 2847, 01:48:27,023 --> 01:48:29.005 to to really foley engage with 2848 01:48:29,005 --> 01:48:34.001 it meaningfully in the future. 2849 01:48:34,001 --> 01:48:36.010 thank you.. Do you have a 2850 01:48:36,010 --> 01:48:38.028 response marshman?

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I do see some 2851 01:48:38,028 --> 01:48:39.017 additional hands, but there 2852 01:48:39,017, --> 01:48:41.020, are kind of like repeat hand, so 2853 01:48:41,020, --> 01:48:42.022. I would love to hear from you. 2854 01:48:42,022 --> 01:48:44.029. I I just wanted to say that 2855 01:48:44,029 --> 01:48:46.003 ellie expressed all that better 2856 01:48:46,003 --> 01:48:53.028 than I did. it's good to have 2857 01:48:53,028 --> 01:48:55.008 our thoughts revoiced by 2858, 01:48:55,008, --> 01:48:57.022, someone else.

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Sometimes we can 2859 01:48:57,022 --> 01:49:00.019 bring more clarity, so I am 2860 01:49:00,019, --> 01:49:01.024 sure we try and I see your 2861 01:49:01,024 --> 01:49:02.026 hand up again as well as 2862 01:49:02,026, --> 01:49:03.007. Commissioner gilan. did you 2863 01:49:03,007 --> 01:49:05.025 have something else to share? 2864 01:49:05,025, --> 01:49:07.024, no back! Ok, commissioner 2865 01:49:07,024 -->, 01:49:11.008 gilman,, commissioner commodore 2866 01:49:11,008 --> 01:49:15.026 thank you. yes,. I know that 2867 01:49:15,026 --> 01:49:16.015, one of the public letters that 2868 01:49:16,015 --> 01:49:19.011, was that we received a question.

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2869 01:49:19,011 --> 01:49:22.014 that was brought up was about 2870 01:49:22,014 --> 01:49:24.024. You know somebody was saying 2871 01:49:24,024, --> 01:49:26.009 that adding, I believe, adding 2872 01:49:26,009, --> 01:49:30.028. More would also cause already 2873 01:49:30,028 --> 01:49:31.025 councilor's, going into like 2874 01:49:31,025 --> 01:49:34.020 midnight over curfew.. How many 2875 01:49:34,020 --> 01:49:36.004 people can really make it that 2876 01:49:36,004, -->, 01:49:39.017, long? and so also for 2877 01:49:39,017 --> 01:49:40.002, commissioner marshall, really 2878 01:49:40,002 --> 01:49:42.015 exploring. How does that look? 2879, 01:49:42,015 --> 01:49:43.024 like in other cities??

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Are they 2880, 01:49:43,024 --> 01:49:45.019? Taking two days right and not 2881 01:49:45,019 --> 01:49:47.018 going all the way to midnight, 2882 01:49:47,018, --> 01:49:50.008, one a.m. in the morning. I think 2883 01:49:50,008 --> 01:49:52.024 would be very beneficial as 2884 01:49:52,024 --> 01:49:54.016. Well, as you think about others. 2885 01:49:54,016, --> 01:49:55.013 that might have the same 2886 01:49:55,013, -->, 01:49:59.025, question. right. thank you,, 2887, 01:49:59,025, --> 01:50:01.003, commissioner lizotte..

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I just 2888 01:50:01,003 --> 01:50:03.013 want to say that I agree with 2889 01:50:03,013 --> 01:50:04.006 commissioner march on 2890 01:50:04,006 --> 01:50:06.024, washington, a friend of mine, I 2891 01:50:06,024, -->, 01:50:08.020, can't even say her right and 2892 01:50:08,020 --> 01:50:10.010, commissioner. That's where they 2893 01:50:10,010 --> 01:50:12.014 were approached.. I agree with 2894 01:50:12,014 --> 01:50:16.020, the great and any other 2895 01:50:16,020 --> 01:50:17.022, closing thoughts right now. 2896 01:50:17,022 --> 01:50:19.029 before and I guess before we 2897 01:50:19,029 --> 01:50:24.016, take a motion: though, 2898, 01:50:24,016, --> 01:50:26.029, just to be clear,.

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The 2899 01:50:26,029 --> 01:50:27.014 recommendation coming from the 2900 01:50:27,014 --> 01:50:32.026 memo is to assign this job of 2901 01:50:32,026 --> 01:50:34.009. Looking at additional council 2902 01:50:34,009 --> 01:50:36.011 districts to the next 2903 01:50:36,011 --> 01:50:38.005. Commission.- this is not a 2904 01:50:38,005 --> 01:50:40.026 recommendation for any specific 2905 01:50:40,026 --> 01:50:41.012 number.. My understanding is 2906 01:50:41,012 --> 01:50:43.013. It's just a recommendation that 2907 01:50:43,013 --> 01:50:45.003. The next commission should look 2908 01:50:45,003 --> 01:50:47.003 at that is that is not 2909.

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01:50:47,003 --> 01:50:49.020, actually how it's written, 2910, 01:50:49,020, --> 01:50:51.002, because the yeah, I'll share 2911 01:50:51,002 --> 01:50:54.002, my screen.. I just want to be 2912 01:50:54,002, --> 01:50:59.008 clear here. We recommend 2913 01:50:59,008 -->, 01:51:00.019, that the question be studied: 2914 01:51:00,019, --> 01:51:01.025 before the next redistricting 2915 01:51:01,025 --> 01:51:02.027 process began and clearly 2916 01:51:02,027 --> 01:51:03.013 enough to schedule a public 2917 01:51:03,013 --> 01:51:05.004 vote. If a change is recommended, 2918, 01:51:05,004, -->, 01:51:07.008 and then criteria for further 2919 01:51:07,008 -->, 01:51:09.000 review., so there's not 2920 01:51:09,000 --> 01:51:14.003.

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Really in my recommendation, the 2921 01:51:14,003 --> 01:51:15.011 commission does it. the 2922 01:51:15,011 --> 01:51:16.017 commission does it., but you 2923 01:51:16,017 --> 01:51:19.028 know, that could a good 2924 01:51:19,028 --> 01:51:20.009 amendment. thank you.. I 2925 01:51:20,009 --> 01:51:22.017 stand corrected., so the 2926 01:51:22,017 --> 01:51:24.010 recommendation is just that the 2927 01:51:24,010 --> 01:51:27.020 question of redistricting for 2928 01:51:27,020, --> 01:51:29.028 new districts comes before the 2929 01:51:29,028 --> 01:51:31.008 next. Redistricting commission.- 2930 01:51:31,008 --> 01:51:34.017 ok,. Can I get a motion to that? 2931 01:51:34,017, -->, 01:51:41.009 effect?, so thank you.

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A 2932 01:51:41,009 --> 01:51:43.017. Second, mr marshman.. It's the 2933 01:51:43,017 --> 01:51:44.010. Second, I saw your hand. thank 2934, 01:51:44,010 -->, 01:51:50.027 you. um and thank you.. Ok, 2935, 01:51:50,027, --> 01:51:51.007. Let's go to public comment and 2936 01:51:51,007 --> 01:51:55.025. Then we can take about a 2937 01:51:55,025 --> 01:52:07.005, somewhat bentzi. Ok, thank you! So 2938 01:52:07,005 --> 01:52:10.019 good nancy thank you.. Yes, I 2939 01:52:10,019 --> 01:52:12.017 do agree that we should more 2940 01:52:12,017 --> 01:52:14.017 representation.

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I don't know if 2941 01:52:14,017, --> 01:52:15.007, that is necessarily going to 2942 01:52:15,007 --> 01:52:19.011, help the political system that 2943 01:52:19,011 --> 01:52:23.005 is broken because it's it's 2944 01:52:23,005 --> 01:52:25.020. It's serving their masters, 2945 01:52:25,020 --> 01:52:26.002, which are the corporations and 2946 01:52:26,002 --> 01:52:29.029 the businesses and that's what 2947 01:52:29,029 --> 01:52:30.018 needs to change., but maybe 2948 01:52:30,018 --> 01:52:33.007 having more politicians, might 2949 01:52:33,007 --> 01:52:35.014 help and we need all the help. 2950 01:52:35,014 --> 01:52:37.017 we can get..

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Our vote is going 2951, 01:52:37,017, -->, 01:52:41.020 down. we're so you I think that 2952 01:52:41,020 --> 01:52:42.011 the problems that we've had in 2953 01:52:42,011 --> 01:52:45.024, our community- that is something 2954. 01:52:45,024 --> 01:52:47.001 that we've we've discussed. 2955 01:52:47,001 --> 01:52:49.009 neighbors have said that we 2956 01:52:49,009 --> 01:52:51.015 need more more representation, 2957 01:52:51,015 --> 01:52:53.020 because you know, there is 2958 01:52:53,020 --> 01:52:56.009 we're fighting with whatever 2959 01:52:56,009 --> 01:52:58.024, one hundred thousand people 2960 01:52:58,024 -->, 01:52:59.004, that each representative 2961 01:52:59,004 -->, 01:53:01.010, represents.

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they're, not able to 2962 01:53:01,010 --> 01:53:02.011 really represent our 2963 01:53:02,011 --> 01:53:03.008 communities as well as they 2964 01:53:03,008 --> 01:53:06.010 should and like I say,, the real 2965 01:53:06,010 --> 01:53:08.017 issue is their allegiance to 2966 01:53:08,017 --> 01:53:10.004, the corporation and businesses 2967 01:53:10,004, --> 01:53:13.025 that fund their campaigns and 2968 01:53:13,025 --> 01:53:14.007.

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That's why we won't be 2969 01:53:14,007, -->, 01:53:16.009 politicians won't be able to 2970 01:53:16,009 --> 01:53:18.026 solve the climate crisis, 2971 01:53:18,026, --> 01:53:20.024, because they're embedded in the 2972 01:53:20,024 --> 01:53:22.010 the corporations that support 2973, 01:53:22,010, -->, 01:53:26.014 them and businesses, and so but 2974 01:53:26,014, --> 01:53:27.026. You know, in regards to this 2975 01:53:27,026 --> 01:53:29.006 issue,, I think, having more 2976 01:53:29,006 --> 01:53:32.000 representation would be better., 2977, 01:53:32,000, --> 01:53:35.027, and so I support that.. I mean 2978 01:53:35,027, --> 01:53:35.027.

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It seems like it's putting it 2979 01:53:35,027 --> 01:53:37.003 out far out where we we need 2980, 01:53:37,003 --> 01:53:40.005 help now.. We need it now., but I 2981 01:53:40,005 --> 01:53:41.005 mean it's better than nothing. 2982 01:53:41,005 --> 01:53:42.018 that you're going to be looking 2983, 01:53:42,018, --> 01:53:44.017 at it the next time and it's 2984, 01:53:44,017 --> 01:53:46.016 too bad we're not going to move 2985, 01:53:46,016 --> 01:53:48.007 on this right now., but that's 2986, 01:53:48,007, --> 01:53:50.020, what you're saying. and I guess 2987 01:53:50,020 --> 01:53:53.004.

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In terms of this political 2988, 01:53:53,004 -->, 01:53:56.008 issue,, you know,, is not going 2989, 01:53:56,008, --> 01:53:57.006 to save us.. That's why we 2990 01:53:57,006 --> 01:54:00.017, really need climate crisis to 2991 01:54:00,017 --> 01:54:02.004 be in our in our charter., so 2992 01:54:02,004, --> 01:54:04.020 that we can make the decisions 2993 01:54:04,020 --> 01:54:05.028 that will hopefully save us as 2994 01:54:05,028 --> 01:54:13.008, a species. roland, thank 2995, 01:54:13,008 -->, 01:54:15.015 you.. I'm excited just to let 2996 01:54:15,015 --> 01:54:16.011.

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You know that I'm extremely 2997 01:54:16,011 --> 01:54:20.000 pleased that you have decided 2998, 01:54:20,000, --> 01:54:23.027 to we heard this issue to the 2999 01:54:23,027 --> 01:54:24.022, correct commission, which is due 3000 01:54:24,022, --> 01:54:26.005 to redistricting, commission and 3001 01:54:26,005 --> 01:54:28.022. I hope that you will all vote 3002, 01:54:28,022, --> 01:54:29.002 on this unanimously.. Thank you. 3003 01:54:29,002, -->, 01:54:37.005, . back to the commission like 3004 01:54:37,005, --> 01:54:38.001, the clerk will take the vote: 3005 01:54:38,001 --> 01:54:47.008, please over marshman.

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yes, 3006 01:54:47,008, -->, 01:54:50.022, jonathan., yes, elizabeth 3007, 01:54:50,022 --> 01:54:54.027, mondli., yes., olema, tomorrow., 3008, 01:54:54,027, -->, 01:54:58.003, yes,, garik.. First of all, yes 3009 01:54:58,003, --> 01:55:05.028. We can yes. jeremy barrooms 3010 01:55:05,028 --> 01:55:10.014 yes. poseidon's yes. lendio 3011 01:55:10,014 --> 01:55:15.026, I vanilla's ah yes., who is 3012 01:55:15,026 --> 01:55:21.026, brosco, yes., magnolia's, evil, 3013, 01:55:21,026, -->, 01:55:26.020, yes., very acquaintance: yes.

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3014, 01:55:26,020, -->, 01:55:31.015, temi robledo; yes, very cigarroa, 3015, 01:55:31,015, --> 01:55:38.019, yes, etran, yes., tobin, gilman, yes, 3016, 01:55:38,019, -->, 01:55:43.008, veronica ammeter; yes, 3017, 01:55:43,008, -->, 01:55:47.019 dongzhou; yes, the motion, passes. 3018, 01:55:47,019, --> 01:55:50.027 thank you. thank you.. Next 3019 01:55:50,027. --≫ 01:55:52.007 item is the third. Yes, the third 3020 01:55:52,007 --> 01:56:00.000 recommendation parts. Sorry I 3021 01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:03.002 get lost on my tab there, so we 3022, 01:56:03,002, --> 01:56:05.023, are moving on to our third 3023 01:56:05,023 --> 01:56:06.007 recommendation, which is from 3024 01:56:06,007 --> 01:56:10.003.

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Vice chair johnson, about 3025 01:56:10,003 --> 01:56:12.018, looking into expanding mayoral 3026 01:56:12,018, -->, 01:56:14.020 powers.. Mr. johnson,, would you 3027 01:56:14,020 --> 01:56:17.021 care to give us an overview or 3028 01:56:17,021 --> 01:56:18.002 refresher of your 3029 01:56:18,002 --> 01:56:21.028 recommendation? yes,, I'm 3030 01:56:21,028 --> 01:56:21.004, recommending to keep our 3031 01:56:21,004 --> 01:56:23.024 governance structure, the same 3032 01:56:23,024 --> 01:56:25.009. In order to ensure maintain 3033, 01:56:25,009 --> 01:56:27.003, equitable representation for 3034 01:56:27,003 --> 01:56:30.024, the democratic process..

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I am 3035 01:56:30,024 --> 01:56:31.019, recommending to open the city, 3036 01:56:31,019, -->, 01:56:33.003 manager, nomination process, 3037, 01:56:33,003, --> 01:56:35.027 beyond the mayor to city 3038, 01:56:35,027, -->, 01:56:36.014 council as well.. So this 3039 01:56:36,014 --> 01:56:38.001, means that city council members, 3040 01:56:38,001 --> 01:56:40.008 can also put forward a 3041 01:56:40,008 --> 01:56:42.018 recommendation or choose the 3042 01:56:42,018 --> 01:56:43.025 back and other council members, 3043 01:56:43,025 --> 01:56:45.014 recommendation for a city, 3044 01:56:45,014, -->, 01:56:50.023 manager. thank you..

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So now 3045 01:56:50,023, --> 01:56:51.026 we'll have discussion from 3046 01:56:51,026, -->, 01:56:54.005 commissioners, commissioner 3047 01:56:54,005, -->, 01:56:58.008, siegel,, very democratic. thank 3048, 01:56:58,008, --> 01:57:00.001, you so much, vice chair johnson, 3049, 01:57:00,001, --> 01:57:02.013 for this.. I think it really 3050 01:57:02,013 --> 01:57:03.012 will bring greater equality to 3051 01:57:03,012 --> 01:57:05.002, the city of san jose.. I will be 3052 01:57:05,002 --> 01:57:11.010 voting yes. thank you., other 3053 01:57:11,010 --> 01:57:13.010 comments or items from 3054 01:57:13,010, --> 01:57:14.020 commissioners on this 3055 01:57:14,020 -->, 01:57:16.019 recommendation., commissioner 3056 01:57:16,019, -->, 01:57:20.001, gilman?

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yeah,. I think I'm going 3057 01:57:20,001 --> 01:57:22.015 to be voting yes on this too.

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3058 01:57:22,015 --> 01:57:24.023, but I would ask a subcommittee 3059, 01:57:24,023 --> 01:57:27.001, to take a look at considering 3060 01:57:27,001 --> 01:57:30.008, giving the mayor the power of 3061 01:57:30,008 --> 01:57:31.009, making rules committee, 3062, 01:57:31,009, -->, 01:57:32.009 appointments., it's my 3063 01:57:32,009 -->, 01:57:34.013, understanding the mayor used to 3064 01:57:34,013 --> 01:57:36.026 have those powers and sometime 3065, 01:57:36,026 --> 01:57:37.000 in the fairly recent past that 3066 01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:40.008 was given to the full council, 3067 01:57:40,008, --> 01:57:41.004, and I do think that's an area 3068 01:57:41,004 --> 01:57:43.022, where it might be worth taking.

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3069 01:57:43,022 --> 01:57:48.023 a look at. thank you., 3070, 01:57:48,023, --> 01:57:51.002 additional thoughts before we 3071 01:57:51,002 --> 01:57:58.024 have a motion. ok, chair, can 3072 01:57:58,024 --> 01:57:59.009. We get a motion to accept vice 3073 01:57:59,009 -->, 01:58:04.020, chair johnson's recommendation, 3074, 01:58:04,020, --> 01:58:08.008 to move to mr. trafficante? and 3075 01:58:08,008 --> 01:58:11.003 second, mr. tran and we'll go 3076 01:58:11,003 --> 01:58:13.009 to the public for their 3077 01:58:13,009 --> 01:58:26.020 comments as someone mansi 3078 01:58:26,020 --> 01:58:28.005, tasser yeah,, I'm here., ok,, 3079, 01:58:28,005, -->, 01:58:30.010 good. thank you..

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I didn't it. 3080 01:58:30,010 --> 01:58:31.028 didn't work, but that's ok., 3081 01:58:31,028 --> 01:58:34.023 thank you. yeah. I guess I am in 3082 01:58:34,023 --> 01:58:38.000 support of the motion. I 3083 01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:41.014 think that there was potential 3084 01:58:41,014 -->, 01:58:43.000 corruption that could be as 3085 01:58:43,000 --> 01:58:46.014.

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Even this whole system started 3086 01:58:46,014, --> 01:58:47.006, where mayor licadho wanted more 3087, 01:58:47,006 --> 01:58:52.007 power to push the the 3088 01:58:52,007 --> 01:58:54.006 issue of getting everybody back, 3089 01:58:54,006, --> 01:58:58.005 into the workplace and, like we 3090 01:58:58,005 --> 01:59:00.027 talk about the politicians are 3091 01:59:00,027, --> 01:59:01.022, you know, are doing the work of 3092 01:59:01,022 --> 01:59:04.017 businesses and corporations and 3093 01:59:04,017 --> 01:59:06.010, you know,. He he is too 3094.

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01:59:06,010 --> 01:59:10.003 vulnerable to be in charge like 3095, 01:59:10,003, -->, 01:59:12.000, we're saying, and so I think it 3096 01:59:12,000 --> 01:59:16.019 is to our the public good to 3097. 01:59:16,019 --> 01:59:19.020 have a city manager who is not 3098, 01:59:19,020, --> 01:59:22.000, subject to the voting, the you 3099 01:59:22,000 -->, 01:59:25.024 know,, the business of having to 3100 01:59:25,024 --> 01:59:26.027, run for office every four years, 3101 01:59:26,027, -->, 01:59:29.015 and things like that. and and I 3102 01:59:29,015 --> 01:59:32.011 did also like that.

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The the 3103 01:59:32,011 --> 01:59:34.013 choice of the city manager, 3104 01:59:34,013 --> 01:59:36.026, would be not just the city, the 3105 01:59:36,026 --> 01:59:37.006 mayor that it would go to 3106, 01:59:37,006 -->, 01:59:40.012 council and hopefully then that 3107 01:59:40,012 --> 01:59:41.024 would have more public 3108 01:59:41,024 -->, 01:59:43.001 engagement.. I hope that would 3109 01:59:43,001 --> 01:59:46.003 be in there as well that we 3110 01:59:46,003 --> 01:59:48.015 would be able to evaluate the 3111 01:59:48,015 --> 01:59:50.024 city manager as the 3112 01:59:50,024 --> 01:59:53.002 citizenship..

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So that's my 3113 01:59:53,002 --> 01:59:56.021 agreement with the motion that 3114 01:59:56,021 --> 01:59:57.020, the city manager would be a 3115 01:59:57,020, -->, 02:00:00.020 manager, oriented city operation, 3116, 02:00:00,020, --> 02:00:03.024, I think, is potentially serving 3117 02:00:03,024 --> 02:00:05.006 the people better than to serve 3118 02:00:05,006, -->, 02:00:09.026 corporations and and that type 3119, 02:00:09,026 --> 02:00:10.012 of issue that our politicians, 3120 02:00:10,012, --> 02:00:13.001, are vulnerable, to. and so 3121 02:00:13,001 --> 02:00:15.000. That's my opinion.! Thank you.

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3122 02:00:15,000, -->, 02:00:17.025, very much., bye, bye., whatever 3123 02:00:17,025, --> 02:00:18.026 that expression is,, I forfeit 3124 02:00:18,026 --> 02:00:25.014. My time. thank you, be hi., 3125, 02:00:25,014, --> 02:00:27.024, thanks for the words of a test, 3126 02:00:27,024 --> 02:00:29.019 on the previous on this item. 3127 02:00:29,019 --> 02:00:31.018. Hopefully my words can relate 3128, 02:00:31,018, --> 02:00:35.002 to this item.. Well, from what 3129 02:00:35,002 --> 02:00:37.020 tesla said,, you know,. I hope we 3130 02:00:37,020 --> 02:00:40.023 can really be looking at you, 3131 02:00:40,023, --> 02:00:41.013 know.

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We've talked about strong 3132, 02:00:41,013, -->, 02:00:43.018 marius's. What about strong, 3133, 02:00:43,018, -->, 02:00:45.010 hounsell?, you know,! This can be 3134, 02:00:45,010, --> 02:00:48.004 a time we can really you know, 3135, 02:00:48,004 --> 02:00:51.020 see what it can be: councils, 3136, 02:00:51,020, --> 02:00:53.021, you know,, better practices.

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how 3137 02:00:53,021 --> 02:00:55.016 can we, you know,, be working on 3138 02:00:55,016, --> 02:00:58.018, their their ideas and a 3139 02:00:58,018 --> 02:01:01.024 concepts to to make the council 3140 02:01:01,024 --> 02:01:02.027 process, a more accessible 3141, 02:01:02,027, --> 02:01:04.003 process to the community and 3142 02:01:04,003 --> 02:01:08.018 have more function within you: 3143 02:01:08,018, --> 02:01:09.004, the role of the city manager, 3144 02:01:09,004, --> 02:01:11.021, and the process. good luck.. How 3145 02:01:11,021 --> 02:01:12.019 are you?. It's been talk that we 3146 02:01:12,019 --> 02:01:14.015 can work on these issues.

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good 3147 02:01:14,015 -->. 02:01:16.000 luck in your efforts to do that. 3148 02:01:16,000 --> 02:01:18.000 and I just wanted to remind 3149, 02:01:18,000 --> 02:01:20.014 that you know, with the flood 3150 02:01:20,014 --> 02:01:21.017 issues and with the concrete 3151 02:01:21,017 --> 02:01:23.003 issues, you know,. We were 3152 02:01:23,003 --> 02:01:25.005, really scrambling around a lot: 3153 02:01:25,005 --> 02:01:27.018, as naturally we do in times of 3154 02:01:27,018, --> 02:01:29.012 emergency, I suppose 911 it was 3155 02:01:29,012, -->, 02:01:33.018 the same way. you know,, the 3156, 02:01:33,018 -->, 02:01:34.024 surveillance and technology.

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3157 02:01:34,024, --> 02:01:35.023 ordinance has really been 3158, 02:01:35,023 --> 02:01:37.002 created, so we don't have to be 3159. 02:01:37,002 --> 02:01:40.006, scrambling at difficult 3160, 02:01:40,006, -->, 02:01:41.026 emergency times in the 3161 02:01:41,026 --> 02:01:42.014 future, and it's really meant to 3162. 02:01:42,014 --> 02:01:44.017 create a really well 3163 02:01:44,017 --> 02:01:46.019 structured set of policy ideas, 3164 02:01:46,019 --> 02:01:49.000 that can really help it with 3165 02:01:49,000 --> 02:01:51.019 good decision making and 3166 02:01:51,019 --> 02:01:53.003 difficult times.. Is it and 3167 02:01:53,003 --> 02:01:56.011 going by sorry.?

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So I'm sorry, 3168 02:01:56,011 --> 02:01:59.005 that I'm hopeful of what 3169 02:01:59,005 --> 02:02:01.017, what these sorts of things 3170 02:02:01,017 --> 02:02:03.000, can can do these 3171 02:02:03,000, -->, 02:02:05.025, well-structured ideas? Can you 3172 02:02:05,025, --> 02:02:07.025 for for a good future and 3173 02:02:07,025 --> 02:02:09.015 good practices of community and 3174 02:02:09,015 --> 02:02:11.015, and hopefully it can be of help 3175, 02:02:11,015, --> 02:02:13.027 to you, and your decision making 3176 02:02:13,027 --> 02:02:21.004 with these issues. thank olena., 3177 02:02:21,004, -->, 02:02:23.004 high commissioners, 3178 02:02:23,004, --> 02:02:24.007, christopher johnson..

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Thank you, 3179 02:02:24,007, --> 02:02:26.011 for this proposal and I just 3180 02:02:26,011 --> 02:02:27.015 wanted to say that I support it. 3181 02:02:27,015 -->, 02:02:28.003 foley and that it should move 3182, 02:02:28,003, -->, 02:02:36.025 forward. thank you, roland.. I 3183 02:02:36,025 --> 02:02:40.026 thank you.. Yes. segunda can 3184 02:02:40,026 --> 02:02:42.028 come into a strong support for 3185 02:02:42,028 --> 02:02:44.017, the original motion. however, 3186 02:02:44,017 --> 02:02:47.001.

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I'm strongly opposed to 3187 02:02:47,001 --> 02:02:49.006, commissioner goodmans funding, 3188 02:02:49,006 --> 02:02:50.007 amendment to let the mayor, 3189, 02:02:50,007, -->, 02:02:52.002 control, the rules committee, 3190 02:02:52,002, -->, 02:02:54.022 appointment and I do have a 3191 02:02:54,022 --> 02:02:55.007 question to the chair: though. 3192 02:02:55,007 --> 02:02:57.028. Are we going to be looking at 3193 02:02:57,028, --> 02:02:58.005, who is responsible, appointing 3194, 02:02:58,005, --> 02:03:00.004, the chief of police at some 3195 02:03:00,004 --> 02:03:05.001 point? thank you. back to the 3196 02:03:05,001 --> 02:03:10.017 chair and thank you..

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We now can 3197 02:03:10,017 --> 02:03:12.015. Take the vote on this item.. The 3198 02:03:12,015 --> 02:03:15.002 clerk can take the vote and 3199 02:03:15,002 --> 02:03:19.021 read: marshman. yes. justin 3200 02:03:19,021 --> 02:03:22.027 johnson. yes, elizabeth 3201, 02:03:22,027 --> 02:03:26.008 mondli. yes. only matsumura 3202, 02:03:26,008, -->, 02:03:32.025, yes. garik personal yes.. We 3203 02:03:32,025 --> 02:03:38.009 trim, yes. jeremy, bruce yes. 3204, 02:03:38,009, --> 02:03:44.008, those episodes yes. monday 3205 02:03:44,008 --> 02:03:50.007 night mendoza yes.. Louise 3206 02:03:50,007 --> 02:03:55.022 bursill yes., magnolia, siegel, 3207, 02:03:55,022, -->, 02:03:59.007, yes. maria one test, yes.

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3208 02:03:59,007 -->, 02:04:03.011, emmy, robledo yes., jerry 3209, 02:04:03,011, -->, 02:04:09.028 cigarroa; yes, t yes. tobin, 3210, 02:04:09,028, -->, 02:04:13.015, gilman, yes., veronica amador, 3211, 02:04:13,015, --> 02:04:18.003, yes, yongzhou yes., my motion, 3212 02:04:18,003, -->, 02:04:21.003 passed. thank you. thank 3213, 02:04:21,003, -->, 02:04:24.005 you., will item for the fourth 3214 02:04:24,005 --> 02:04:29.018 recommendation for its yes, we 3215 02:04:29,018 --> 02:04:30.029. Have a commissioner lizotte 3216 02:04:30,029 --> 02:04:33.003, with memo on the emergency 3217 02:04:33,003 --> 02:04:37.021 powers of the mayor.

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thank you., 3218 02:04:37,021, --> 02:04:38.018, and I'm going to make this 3219 02:04:38,018 --> 02:04:39.014 short, because I know: there's 3220 02:04:39,014 --> 02:04:40.012, probably going to be a lot of 3221 02:04:40,012 --> 02:04:44.020 questions.. So our committee was 3222 02:04:44,020 --> 02:04:45.002 tasked with considering 3223 02:04:45,002 --> 02:04:48.010 potential chartist changes that 3224 02:04:48,010 --> 02:04:49.007 will improve, among other things, 3225 02:04:49,007, -->, 02:04:51.014 accountability., and so it was 3226 02:04:51,014 --> 02:04:53.002.

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In that light that I thought 3227 02:04:53,002 --> 02:04:55.013 about what has transpired over 3228 02:04:55,013 --> 02:04:57.004, the last twenty years that I've 3229 02:04:57,004 --> 02:04:59.012, been a council. Was a council 3230, 02:04:59,012, --> 02:05:01.002 member for eight and now I'm on 3231 02:05:01,002 --> 02:05:03.026 the what is district board and 3232 02:05:03,026 --> 02:05:05.000, and who, who does the public 3233 02:05:05,000 --> 02:05:10.003, look to when things go bad, 3234, 02:05:10,003, -->, 02:05:11.002, and who do they look to when 3235 02:05:11,002, --> 02:05:13.003?

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Things are done right and it's 3236 02:05:13,003 --> 02:05:14.008? Generally the elected 3237 02:05:14,008 -->, 02:05:16.007, officials. and so, you know, 3238, 02:05:16,007, --> 02:05:17.014, it's very frustrating for the 3239 02:05:17,014 --> 02:05:18.010 public, when they don't have 3240 02:05:18,010 --> 02:05:20.023, someone who they can hold. 3241 02:05:20,023 --> 02:05:22.000 accountable for actions that 3242 02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:24.010, the city takes., and it's also 3243 02:05:24,010, -->, 02:05:26.004, very frustrating for the 3244 02:05:26,004 --> 02:05:28.018 elected officials to be blamed.

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3245, 02:05:28,018, --> 02:05:29.013 for things or to not have the 3246 02:05:29,013 --> 02:05:33.025 power to do something in the in 3247 02:05:33,025.

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--≫ 02:05:35.008 certain instances., and so when 3248 02:05:35,008, --> 02:05:39.013, I'm suggesting is that we 3249 02:05:39,013 --> 02:05:42.028 change the charter to add a 3250 02:05:42,028 --> 02:05:45.001 section I to section five vote: 3251 02:05:45,001, --> 02:05:49.006 to that basically gives the 3252 02:05:49,006 --> 02:05:55.018 mayor the power when there is 3253 02:05:55,018, --> 02:05:58.024, the city is threatened or there 3254 02:05:58,024 --> 02:06:01.007 are imminent threats of death, 3255 02:06:01,007, -->, 02:06:03.014 or injury to persons or 3256 02:06:03,014, -->, 02:06:04.024 destruction or damage to 3257, 02:06:04,024, --> 02:06:06.002 property to such an extent as 3258 02:06:06,002 --> 02:06:08.010, to require the judge in the 3259 02:06:08,010 --> 02:06:09.025 judgment of the mayor after 3260 02:06:09,025 -->, 02:06:10.020 consultation, and this is a 3261 02:06:10,020 --> 02:06:12.000 change from before with the 3262 02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:14.025 city manager and appropriate 3263 02:06:14,025 --> 02:06:15.014 staff that extraordinary 3264 02:06:15,014 --> 02:06:17.008 measures to protect the public, 3265 02:06:17,008, -->, 02:06:19.014 safety and welfare.

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The mayor, 3266 02:06:19,014, --> 02:06:21.017, show have the ability to 3267 02:06:21,017 --> 02:06:23.027 proclaim in writing a local 3268 02:06:23,027 --> 02:06:26.018 emergency and the mayor would 3269 02:06:26,018 --> 02:06:29.024 have to unlike the the city, 3270 02:06:29,024, --> 02:06:32.010 manager, who has this power now 3271 02:06:32,010 --> 02:06:35.021 and has seven days to have it 3272, 02:06:35,021, -->, 02:06:36.027, ratified by the council.- my 3273 02:06:36,027 --> 02:06:37.018 memo is suggesting that the 3274 02:06:37,018 --> 02:06:42.020 mayor would have to have this 3275 02:06:42,020 --> 02:06:44.016 call for local emergency 3276 02:06:44,016, --> 02:06:46.000, ratified by the council within 3277, 02:06:46,000 --> 02:06:48.000.

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Seventy two hours or else 3278 02:06:48,000 --> 02:06:50.002- becomes void, in other words to 3279 02:06:50,002 --> 02:06:53.027 get into it. It would also make 3280 02:06:53,027 --> 02:06:55.017 that the in order to declare 3281 02:06:55,017, --> 02:06:58.028 local emergency, it would 3282 02:06:58,028 --> 02:06:59.003 necessitate that the mayor, 3283 02:06:59,003 --> 02:07:04.029, would be the the director of 3284 02:07:04,029 --> 02:07:05.001 emergency services..

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It's 3285 02:07:05,001 --> 02:07:08.023 important to note that this 3286 02:07:08,023 --> 02:07:10.018 only happens in the instance of 3287 02:07:10,018 --> 02:07:12.007, an emergency going to merge, 3288, 02:07:12,007, -->, 02:07:14.010 local emergency. That's either 3289 02:07:14,010, --> 02:07:15.003 declared by the federal 3290 02:07:15,003 -->, 02:07:17.013 government,, the state,, the 3291 02:07:17,013 --> 02:07:24.024 county or the city of san jose., 3292, 02:07:24,024, --> 02:07:25.007. It wouldn't be powers that 3293 02:07:25,007, --> 02:07:27.016 could be exercised by the mayor, 3294 02:07:27,016, --> 02:07:29.003 under any other circumstances, 3295 02:07:29,003, --> 02:07:33.000.

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Only these emergency powers and 3296 02:07:33,000 --> 02:07:36.000. I deliberately didn't get into 3297 02:07:36,000 --> 02:07:39.010 in my discussion, a lot of the 3298 02:07:39,010 --> 02:07:42.000 powers or any other things that 3299 02:07:42,000 --> 02:07:44.006.

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It entailed the emergency 3300 02:07:44,006 --> 02:07:46.022 services department or the 3301 02:07:46,022 --> 02:07:48.024 emergency council or the fact 3302 02:07:48,024 --> 02:07:49.022 that the mayor's already 3303 02:07:49,022 --> 02:07:52.005 involved in a lot of this 3304 02:07:52,005 --> 02:07:54.006, because that's in the municipal, 3305 02:07:54,006 --> 02:07:56.005 code and we're not tasked with 3306 02:07:56,005 --> 02:07:58.005. Changing the municipal code. I 3307 02:07:58,005 --> 02:08:01.024, talked to mark fabiani about 3308 02:08:01,024, --> 02:08:03.000, how this would play out to 3309 02:08:03,000 --> 02:08:05.026 answer a question..

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It's already 3310 02:08:05,026 --> 02:08:07.021 been asked of another panelists 3311 02:08:07,021 --> 02:08:09.011. If the mayor, if the, if the 3312 02:08:09,011 --> 02:08:12.004 council, were to accept this 3313 02:08:12,004 --> 02:08:15.027 memo and grant these powers to 3314 02:08:15,027 --> 02:08:18.018 the mayor,, then it would be up 3315, 02:08:18,018, --> 02:08:23.000. It would be the role of the 3316 02:08:23,000 --> 02:08:26.012 city attorney's office to make 3317 02:08:26,012 --> 02:08:29.022 sure that the municipal code, 3318 02:08:29,022, --> 02:08:33.010 aligned with this power and 3319 02:08:33,010 --> 02:08:35.029.

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That's tweaking a word here or 3320 02:08:35,029, --> 02:08:38.002 there. it's making sure that 3321 02:08:38,002 --> 02:08:40.011, the mayor doesn't have any 3322 02:08:40,011 --> 02:08:43.012 other powers. in fact,. My 3323 02:08:43,012 --> 02:08:46.005 latest memo said that 3324 02:08:46,005 --> 02:08:50.022 recognizes that currently the 3325 02:08:50,022 --> 02:08:51.006 city council and the mayor, 3326 02:08:51,006 --> 02:08:53.018 cannot direct staff to do 3327, 02:08:53,018 --> 02:08:56.011 anything.. So I added something: 3328 02:08:56,011 --> 02:08:58.009, to the end of my memo from the 3329 02:08:58,009 --> 02:09:01.015.

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Last time that said that 3330 02:09:01,015, --> 02:09:03.020, nothing here in chele, expand 3331, 02:09:03,020, --> 02:09:04.008, the powers and duties of the 3332 02:09:04,008 --> 02:09:07.011 mayor beyond those set forth in 3333 02:09:07,011 --> 02:09:10.008, the in the memo and also in the 3334 02:09:10,008 --> 02:09:12.003 municipal code in the event of 3335 02:09:12,003, --> 02:09:14.026, an emergency.

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and that said, 3336 02:09:14,026 --> 02:09:15.024 exercise of the powers that set 3337, 02:09:15,024 --> 02:09:17.026 forth above, shall be deemed to 3338 02:09:17,026 --> 02:09:19.028, not violate charter section 3339, 02:09:19,028, --> 02:09:21.015, four, one one which deals with 3340 02:09:21,015 --> 02:09:23.016 interference of administrative 3341, 02:09:23,016 -->, 02:09:25.003 matters, so that that would have 3342, 02:09:25,003 --> 02:09:28.020 to be a change there., but but 3343 02:09:28,020, --> 02:09:30.008.

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Basically, all this is doing is 3344 02:09:30,008, --> 02:09:33.013, giving the mayor the 3345 02:09:33,013 --> 02:09:34.003 opportunity,, not the 3346 02:09:34,003 -->, 02:09:36.003 opportunity,, the duty actually 3347, 02:09:36,003 --> 02:09:38.020.

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It's a duty to declare a local 3348 02:09:38,020 --> 02:09:39.005 emergency when there is a 3349 02:09:39,005, -->, 02:09:43.026, threat to life and limb in the 3350 02:09:43,026, -->, 02:09:46.016 city and and then he or she 3351 02:09:46,016, --> 02:09:48.018 will be held accountable for 3352 02:09:48,018 --> 02:09:50.000 that., and it also shortens the 3353 02:09:50,000 --> 02:09:53.008 time frame within which it 3354 02:09:53,008 --> 02:09:55.026 has to be ratified by the city, 3355 02:09:55,026, -->, 02:09:57.000, council and that's outside of 3356 02:09:57,000 --> 02:09:59.016.

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Seventy two hours it can be 3357, 02:09:59,016, --> 02:10:02.011 done the same day.. It's also 3358 02:10:02,011 --> 02:10:06.011 done in consultation with the 3359 02:10:06,011 --> 02:10:08.005 the whole apparatus of the 3360 02:10:08,005 --> 02:10:12.025 emergency management system, 3361, 02:10:12,025, -->, 02:10:13.004, that the emergency services 3362 02:10:13,004, -->, 02:10:16.001 division, emergency council that 3363 02:10:16,001 --> 02:10:18.021 already exist. These are already 3364 02:10:18,021 --> 02:10:21.005 set up and exist in the 3365 02:10:21,005 --> 02:10:23.025 municipal code.. I'm not 3366, 02:10:23,025 --> 02:10:24.016, suggesting that any of that be 3367, 02:10:24,016, -->, 02:10:29.000 changed..

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There is a system in 3368, 02:10:29,000, --> 02:10:32.004 place that that follows certain 3369 02:10:32,004 --> 02:10:35.012 rules and regulations and that 3370 02:10:35,012 --> 02:10:37.020 system would be followed by one 3371 02:10:37,020 --> 02:10:39.026 of our comments, one of our 3372 02:10:39,026 --> 02:10:41.003 committee meetings.. Someone was 3373, 02:10:41,003 --> 02:10:44.011 concerned about what what else 3374 02:10:44,011 --> 02:10:45.022 is in place? well,, there's at 3375, 02:10:45,022 -->, 02:10:48.023 least. Seven emergency action, 3376 02:10:48,023, --> 02:10:51.018 plans that exist.

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Local 3377, 02:10:51,018, --> 02:10:53.027 emergency plans that already 3378 02:10:53,027 --> 02:10:54.020 exist for a whole variety of 3379 02:10:54,020, --> 02:10:56.018 reasons. so we're not changing.

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3380 02:10:56,018 --> 02:10:59.018 that when changing the fact, 3381 02:10:59,018 --> 02:11:00.015 that there's an emergency 3382, 02:11:00,015 -->, 02:11:02.012, council mayor and the vice 3383 02:11:02,012 --> 02:11:08.007 mayor and the the city manager, 3384, 02:11:08,007, -->, 02:11:10.029 and all of the departments that 3385 02:11:10,029 --> 02:11:10.007, you would think, would be 3386 02:11:10,007, --> 02:11:12.008 involved in emergency police,, 3387, 02:11:12,008, -->, 02:11:15.017, fire public works also on this 3388 02:11:15,017 --> 02:11:17.000 council and there's an 3389 02:11:17,000 --> 02:11:20.027 emergency operation center 3390, 02:11:20,027, --> 02:11:22.012. That's you know,!

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That's already: 3391 02:11:22,012 --> 02:11:25.017 in place., there's a director of 3392 02:11:25,017, --> 02:11:26.010, the office of emergency 3393, 02:11:26,010 -->, 02:11:28.010 management. That's already: 3394 02:11:28,010, --> 02:11:30.025, there. I'm not talking about 3395 02:11:30,025, --> 02:11:31.018, changing any of that. That's 3396 02:11:31,018 --> 02:11:33.005, already exist.. It's already 3397 02:11:33,005 --> 02:11:37.007. There is just a matter of who's: 3398 02:11:37,007, --> 02:11:38.029, going to call it and who's 3399 02:11:38,029 --> 02:11:39.018, going to be responsible for it. 3400, 02:11:39,018, --> 02:11:41.025, and so I stand open to 3401 02:11:41,025 --> 02:11:44.018 questions.

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thank you,, 3402, 02:11:44,018, -->, 02:11:46.004 commissioner. is that and 3403 02:11:46,004 --> 02:11:48.016 commissioner,. If you have your 3404 02:11:48,016 --> 02:11:54.017 hand, raised. thank you.. So, as I 3405 02:11:54,017 --> 02:11:57.006 said earlier,, I would like to 3406 02:11:57,006 --> 02:12:00.022 wait until we have an 3407, 02:12:00,022 --> 02:12:04.014 opportunity to do our duty to 3408. 02:12:04,014 --> 02:12:07.026 become informed as possible by 3409 02:12:07,026 --> 02:12:09.006 having the director of the 3410 02:12:09,006 --> 02:12:12.024 office of emergency services or 3411 02:12:12,024 --> 02:12:13.009 emergency management come and 3412. 02:12:13,009. --≫. 02:12:16.016.

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Speak to our commission.- and I 3413 02:12:16,016 --> 02:12:19.024 know earlier, chairman for you, 3414 02:12:19,024, --> 02:12:20.002 are saying: maybe we don't have 3415 02:12:20,002 --> 02:12:23.010 time for speakers to come to 3416 02:12:23,010 --> 02:12:28.023 our meeting but see this is a 3417 02:12:28,023 --> 02:12:30.029 real, a real big change..

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We are 3418 02:12:30,029, --> 02:12:33.011, giving the we're recommending 3419 02:12:33,011 --> 02:12:36.024, to give the power to the mayor, 3420 02:12:36,024, --> 02:12:38.015- that I believe is currently 3421 02:12:38,015 --> 02:12:40.015, probably held by the director 3422 02:12:40,015 --> 02:12:42.020 of the office of emergency 3423, 02:12:42,020, -->, 02:12:45.016 management, and I don't believe 3424 02:12:45,016 --> 02:12:47.016 that we have done our duty. Our 3425 02:12:47,016 --> 02:12:49.013, due diligence in really 3426 02:12:49,013, -->, 02:12:53.020, studying this issue. and I I 3427 02:12:53,020 --> 02:12:55.007- think about what could happen, 3428 02:12:55,007 --> 02:12:57.020.

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What's an emergency and I 3429 02:12:57,020 --> 02:12:58.028, especially am concerned about 3430 02:12:58,028 --> 02:13:01.028, the the civil unrest part of 3431 02:13:01,028, -->, 02:13:05.029 it., you know,, I I I think I 3432 02:13:05,029 --> 02:13:07.019 mentioned at our subcommittee 3433 02:13:07,019 --> 02:13:10.009 meeting. We had an emergency 3434 02:13:10,009 --> 02:13:12.021 call for the george floyd 3435 02:13:12,021 --> 02:13:14.000 incident, and I shared here too 3436 02:13:14,000 --> 02:13:16.003. What that was what that 3437 02:13:16,003 --> 02:13:18.018 experience was like., but then 3438 02:13:18,018, --> 02:13:20.002.

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We also had the women's march 3439 02:13:20,002 --> 02:13:23.025. After present trump was elected, 3440 02:13:23,025 --> 02:13:24.027, where we probably had probably 3441 02:13:24,027 --> 02:13:26.012 ten times as many people and 3442 02:13:26,012 --> 02:13:28.005. Something could happen. There. 3443, 02:13:28,005, --> 02:13:32.026, and the point is that we don't 3444 02:13:32,026, --> 02:13:33.027 know what an emergency would 3445, 02:13:33,027, --> 02:13:36.020 look like, but more than that we 3446 02:13:36,020, --> 02:13:39.015 also do not know right now.

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In 3447, 02:13:39,015 --> 02:13:41.009 places a commission, maybe some 3448 02:13:41,009 --> 02:13:43.020 of you know more than others 3449 02:13:43,020 --> 02:13:46.017. Really? What does the office in 3450 02:13:46,017 --> 02:13:48.012 emergency management? What do 3451 02:13:48,012 --> 02:13:50.024? They do in an emergency?. What 3452, 02:13:50,024 --> 02:13:51.001 is the process?. How do they 3453 02:13:51,001 --> 02:13:55.002 function?? How do they operate? 3454, 02:13:55,002, -->, 02:13:57.022 that?. At our last discussion in 3455, 02:13:57,022 --> 02:14:00.014, the commission. We heard about 3456 02:14:00,014, --> 02:14:03.027, half the people who do this.

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3457 02:14:03,027 --> 02:14:04.020 work, how they're trained,, how 3458 02:14:04,020 --> 02:14:06.007 they're skilled,, how they run 3459 02:14:06,007 --> 02:14:10.012 the operations being different 3460 02:14:10,012 --> 02:14:12.021 than having a mayor, be the 3461 02:14:12,021 --> 02:14:13.015 person to declare the 3462 02:14:13,015 --> 02:14:16.018 emergency., and I think we 3463 02:14:16,018 --> 02:14:21.026 have a responsibility to to to 3464. 02:14:21,026 --> 02:14:23.021 become more informed and hear 3465 02:14:23,021 --> 02:14:25.026, the other side., the other side, 3466 02:14:25,026, -->.

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02:14:27.025 of this question is what do we 3467 02:14:27,025 --> 02:14:30.021 have in place right now? and I 3468 02:14:30,021 --> 02:14:32.007. Don't think that many of us 3469, 02:14:32,007, --> 02:14:34.028, know really what we have in 3470 02:14:34,028 -->, 02:14:35.021 place.. We didn't hear this at 3471, 02:14:35,021, -->, 02:14:37.007, the subcommittee level and we 3472 02:14:37,007 --> 02:14:39.003 have definitely not have heard 3473 02:14:39,003 --> 02:14:42.008, it here.. So I think before we 3474 02:14:42,008 --> 02:14:44.012 make the move of doing this. We 3475 02:14:44,012, --> 02:14:46.008, should really look at it..

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I 3476 02:14:46,008 --> 02:14:48.005, want to be honest and say that 3477 02:14:48,005 --> 02:14:50.014 when commissioner lassard first 3478 02:14:50,014 --> 02:14:52.001 brought this concept to our 3479 02:14:52,001 --> 02:14:55.008 subcommittee,. It made sense in 3480, 02:14:55,008, -->, 02:14:56.013 terms of having the mayor be 3481, 02:14:56,013, -->, 02:14:58.011, the one responsible, but for me 3482 02:14:58,011, --> 02:15:00.029, the more I thought about it and 3483 02:15:00,029 --> 02:15:01.008 looked at it and have more and 3484 02:15:01,008 --> 02:15:04.024 more questions,.

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The more that I 3485 02:15:04,024 --> 02:15:05.012 would not be able to support it. 3486 02:15:05,012 --> 02:15:08.020 at this point.. So I don't know 3487 02:15:08,020 --> 02:15:10.020. If we need a motion in order to 3488 02:15:10,020 --> 02:15:12.020 delay this or what would be the 3489 02:15:12,020 --> 02:15:15.006 process., chairman frare, I look 3490 02:15:15,006 --> 02:15:18.012 to you to to offer any 3491 02:15:18,012 --> 02:15:20.014 suggestions of what what I 3492 02:15:20,014 --> 02:15:24.019, could do in order to table this 3493 02:15:24,019 --> 02:15:26.002.

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For now, until we have a speaker, 3494 02:15:26,002, --> 02:15:28.005 to come in and educate all of 3495 02:15:28,005 --> 02:15:30.015 us on the office of emergency 3496, 02:15:30,015, -->, 02:15:32.018 management., let's see what the 3497 02:15:32,018 --> 02:15:33.011 rest of the discussion will 3498 02:15:33,011 --> 02:15:36.025 come back. thank you,, 3499, 02:15:36,025, --> 02:15:39.011, commissioner manley. yes., so 3500 02:15:39,011, --> 02:15:41.029, commissioner lizotte,. Let me 3501 02:15:41,029 --> 02:15:42.020, just understand your 3502 02:15:42,020 --> 02:15:45.002 recommendation..

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This would give 3503 02:15:45,002 --> 02:15:49.003 the mayor, the duty to proclaim 3504 02:15:49,003, --> 02:15:52.018, the emergency in that case and 3505 02:15:52,018 --> 02:15:54.016, the and the directive would 3506 02:15:54,016 --> 02:15:57.009 then set in motion all the 3507 02:15:57,009 --> 02:15:59.013 emergency services and 3508 02:15:59,013 --> 02:16:01.024. Everything following, is that 3509 02:16:01,024 --> 02:16:03.016 correct? correct., just 3510 02:16:03,016 --> 02:16:05.019, nothing in the in the municipal, 3511 02:16:05,019, --> 02:16:09.020 code and I yeah. ok,, I'm 3512 02:16:09,020, --> 02:16:13.003. Definitely in favor of this. 3513, 02:16:13,003, --> 02:16:16.020 thank you.

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have commissioners 3514 02:16:16,020, -->, 02:16:19.019, amador marshman and siegle 3515 02:16:19,019, --> 02:16:21.013, commissioner. All great. great 3516 02:16:21,013 --> 02:16:24.016 thank you.. I will not be 3517. 02:16:24,016 --> 02:16:27.001 supporting this motion until we 3518 02:16:27,001 --> 02:16:32.006 hear for your investigations as 3519 02:16:32,006, --> 02:16:33.007 different subcommittees have 3520 02:16:33,007 --> 02:16:35.023 brought in different studies, 3521 02:16:35,023, --> 02:16:38.025, the more of all know: 3522 02:16:38,025, -->, 02:16:40.009 recommendations and impacts. 3523 02:16:40,009, --> 02:16:46.011, and so I want to see speaker, 3524, 02:16:46,011, --> 02:16:53.023.

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What had been made in the 3525 02:16:53,023 --> 02:16:58.021, past life threatening but 3526 02:16:58,021, -->, 02:17:00.012, amateur. What you're cutting in 3527 02:17:00,012, --> 02:17:05.001 and out? Can you hear me now?? I 3528 02:17:05,001 --> 02:17:07.001 can.. I want to make sure that 3529 02:17:07,001 --> 02:17:08.022. We can understand everything. 3530 02:17:08,022, -->, 02:17:09.026, you're, saying now. oops. can 3531 02:17:09,026 --> 02:17:11.004 hear me: now., yes, keep going., ok, 3532, 02:17:11,004, --> 02:17:14.021 great thank you.. As I was 3533 02:17:14,021 --> 02:17:15.025 saying I will not be 3534.

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02:17:15,025 --> 02:17:16.001 supporting this motion until we 3535 02:17:16,001 --> 02:17:19.027 have somebody that comes in and 3536 02:17:19,027 --> 02:17:20.002 educates us, especially somebody 3537 02:17:20,002 --> 02:17:23.020. That is already has a position: 3538 02:17:23,020 --> 02:17:24.024 and a job title that makes 3539 02:17:24,024 --> 02:17:25.009 those recommendations., then 3540 02:17:25,009 --> 02:17:27.017. Another thing is: what is that 3541 02:17:27,017 --> 02:17:28.002 life threatening position? is 3542 02:17:28,002 --> 02:17:31.020, that a protest right.

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and whose 3543 02:17:31,020 --> 02:17:32.024 side of the protest because as 3544 02:17:32,024 --> 02:17:35.027 we saw last year the protest, 3545 02:17:35,027, --> 02:17:38.001 was definitely and will always 3546 02:17:38,001 --> 02:17:41.016 be something that people can go: 3547, 02:17:41,016, -->, 02:17:42.021 out and do, and somebody can 3548 02:17:42,021 --> 02:17:44.005 just say now: you have a curfew: 3549 02:17:44,005, --> 02:17:46.023. Now I'm calling it an emergency 3550 02:17:46,023, --> 02:17:47.005 and no longer can you protest, 3551, 02:17:47,005, --> 02:17:50.028!

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No longer can you say what you 3552, 02:17:50,028 --> 02:17:52.017 need to say and really stand up: 3553 02:17:52,017 --> 02:17:54.022 to that., and so I really want 3554 02:17:54,022 --> 02:17:56.003 to see somebody that comes into 3555 02:17:56,003 --> 02:17:58.008, the study session about this. 3556, 02:17:58,008 --> 02:18:01.004 thank you. thank you,, 3557, 02:18:01,004, --> 02:18:04.028, commissioner seagle trend and 3558 02:18:04,028, --> 02:18:05.028, then mondli and marshman. If you 3559, 02:18:05,028 --> 02:18:07.025 have your hand up again, mr. 3560 02:18:07,025, --> 02:18:09.026 hegal. thank you.

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hi., I 3561 02:18:09,026, --> 02:18:10.025, don't know the first thing: 3562 02:18:10,025 --> 02:18:12.007 about this topic, literally 3563 02:18:12,007 -->, 02:18:14.028 nothing.. We never got an 3564 02:18:14,028 --> 02:18:15.016 education on it.. I did ask six 3565 02:18:15,016 --> 02:18:19.003 days ago that I asked the chair, 3566 02:18:19,003, --> 02:18:21.026 that he bring the head of the 3567 02:18:21,026 --> 02:18:22.005 office of emergency management, 3568 02:18:22,005 --> 02:18:24.026, to speak to our review.

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3569 02:18:24,026 --> 02:18:25.019 commission, because I like to 3570 02:18:25,019 --> 02:18:27.025, make informed votes and I don't 3571 02:18:27,025 --> 02:18:29.001 know anything about this topic. 3572 02:18:29,001 --> 02:18:32.027 .. I also am shocked to learn 3573 02:18:32,027 --> 02:18:33.028 today that the subcommittee who 3574 02:18:33,028 --> 02:18:35.015, is bringing this topic forward. 3575 02:18:35,015 --> 02:18:38.025 never got an education on this. 3576 02:18:38,025, --> 02:18:39.009. They never had slides 3577 02:18:39,009 --> 02:18:41.015 presentations..

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They never went 3578 02:18:41,015 --> 02:18:46.003 into the details of how how 3579, 02:18:46,003 --> 02:18:48.022 emergency management works, 3580, 02:18:48,022, --> 02:18:49.018, exactly how does the city 3581 02:18:49,018, -->, 02:18:52.008 manager right now? What's the 3582 02:18:52,008 --> 02:18:54.000 mechanism for causing that 3583 02:18:54,000 --> 02:18:56.006 trigger triggering the 3584 02:18:56,006 --> 02:18:57.022 emergency?? What was the 3585 02:18:57,022 --> 02:18:58.014 training that we learned that 3586 02:18:58,014 --> 02:19:00.004 city managers have a ton of 3587 02:19:00,004 --> 02:19:04.014 training??

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What is the training 3588 02:19:04,014 --> 02:19:06.001 that that she has to call 3589 02:19:06,001 --> 02:19:09.029, that emergency and what is 3590 02:19:09,029 --> 02:19:10.009, the problem we have. I have no 3591 02:19:10,009 -->, 02:19:12.024 idea what the problem is and 3592 02:19:12,024 --> 02:19:13.023. Why we think she can't do 3593 02:19:13,023, -->, 02:19:15.013 it.. I understand twenty years 3594 02:19:15,013 --> 02:19:17.016 ago.

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Fifteen years ago there 3595 02:19:17,016, --> 02:19:19.005 was a city manager, didn't do 3596, 02:19:19,005 --> 02:19:21.017, his or her job, but that 3597 02:19:21,017 --> 02:19:23.025, there's no showing to us of 3598 02:19:23,025 --> 02:19:25.011. Why that's the case today. like 3599 02:19:25,011, --> 02:19:27.003? Why does that problem? Persist? 3600 02:19:27,003, --> 02:19:30.009.

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We never learned about and also 3601 02:19:30,009 --> 02:19:31.000, the subcommittee, never 3602 02:19:31,000 --> 02:19:33.000 learned about it., so we now 3603, 02:19:33,000 --> 02:19:36.023 have a charter changing the 3604 02:19:36,023 --> 02:19:37.028 emergency plan of the city of 3605, 02:19:37,028 -->, 02:19:39.007 san jose for a million people, 3606 02:19:39,007 --> 02:19:42.021, when it's only unstudied by the 3607 02:19:42,021, -->, 02:19:43.004 subcommittee and the entire 3608 02:19:43,004 -->. 02:19:45.015. Commission.- I think that's kind 3609 02:19:45,015 --> 02:19:47.027 of reckless..

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I think we need 3610 02:19:47,027 --> 02:19:48.008, more education on it before we 3611 02:19:48,008 --> 02:19:52.015 vote.. Thank thank you, 3612, 02:19:52,015, --> 02:19:55.001. Commissioner tran.. We train 3613 02:19:55,001 --> 02:19:58.002 thank you. you're, getting more 3614 02:19:58,002 --> 02:19:59.000 information and hearing 3615 02:19:59,000 --> 02:20:00.011 directly from your brains..

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The 3616 02:20:00,011 --> 02:20:01.004 operation is a good thing., no 3617 02:20:01,004 --> 02:20:03.001 supportive of that., but I would 3618 02:20:03,001 --> 02:20:04.008 also urge the commission to 3619 02:20:04,008 --> 02:20:05.001 remain open to this idea for 3620 02:20:05,001 --> 02:20:07.004, one simple fact: if there was 3621 02:20:07,004 --> 02:20:08.023 any decision that you just 3622 02:20:08,023 --> 02:20:09.000 agreed with over the past four 3623 02:20:09,000 --> 02:20:11.016 or five years going from the 3624 02:20:11,016 --> 02:20:13.026.

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Twenty seventeen flood to last 3625 02:20:13,026 -->, 02:20:14.013 summer's protest to how a 3626 02:20:14,013 --> 02:20:16.017 women's march, was handled,. It 3627, 02:20:16,017, --> 02:20:17.011 would not the mayor who is 3628 02:20:17,011, --> 02:20:19.015, making that decision. It was the 3629 02:20:19,015 -->, 02:20:21.006 city manager or the city 3630 02:20:21,006 --> 02:20:23.006 manager's deputy in the police, 3631 02:20:23,006 --> 02:20:25.004 chief robert.. These decisions, 3632 02:20:25,004 --> 02:20:27.017- were not made by the mayor and 3633 02:20:27,017 --> 02:20:28.018, so to be honest,. I'm open to 3634 02:20:28,018 --> 02:20:30.029.

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This idea, because I genuinely 3635 02:20:30,029 --> 02:20:31.001, think we need a check on the 3636 02:20:31,001 --> 02:20:34.021 city manager.. So this is why I 3637 02:20:34,021 --> 02:20:35.006 urge you all to remain open to 3638 02:20:35,006 --> 02:20:39.016. The idea emergency operation is 3639, 02:20:39,016 --> 02:20:41.020 a playbook, but it also requires 3640, 02:20:41,020 --> 02:20:42.024 people just to make a judgment. 3641 02:20:42,024, -->, 02:20:44.000 call and at the end of the day, 3642 02:20:44,000 --> 02:20:46.005.

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All we're going to do is swap 3643 02:20:46,005 --> 02:20:48.011 out the person at the top and 3644 02:20:48,011 --> 02:20:49.016 do so under very limited 3645 02:20:49,016 --> 02:20:50.023 circumstances, under very 3646 02:20:50,023 --> 02:20:52.018 limited amount of time when 3647 02:20:52,018, --> 02:20:53.011, saying that the mayor is going 3648, 02:20:53,011, --> 02:20:54.026 to come in and change 3649 02:20:54,026 --> 02:20:55.010 everything wholesale,. What 3650, 02:20:55,010 --> 02:20:57.021 we're saying is we're putting 3651 02:20:57,021 --> 02:20:58.020, replacing the person at the top 3652 02:20:58,020 --> 02:20:59.029 is going to make a judgment.

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3653 02:20:59,029, --> 02:21:00.003 call as to what needs to happen. 3654 02:21:00,003, --> 02:21:04.022 in an emergency. thank you,, 3655 02:21:04,022, --> 02:21:07.002, commissioner monley., a few 3656 02:21:07,002 --> 02:21:10.011 years ago the coyote creek 3657 02:21:10,011 --> 02:21:13.029 flooded and numbers of people, 3658 02:21:13,029, --> 02:21:14.023 lost their homes along the 3659 02:21:14,023 --> 02:21:17.009, banks of the coyote creek., the 3660 02:21:17,009 --> 02:21:21.007 city manager was not available., 3661 02:21:21,007, --> 02:21:24.020.

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The mayor was not allowed to 3662 02:21:24,020 --> 02:21:28.013 call a city emergency., and I 3663 02:21:28,013, --> 02:21:31.005, just want to say all over this 3664 02:21:31,005 --> 02:21:35.020 country. It is the elected head, 3665 02:21:35,020, --> 02:21:37.013, who calls an emergency in the 3666 02:21:37,013 --> 02:21:39.001 case of a national emergency. 3667 02:21:39,001 --> 02:21:41.019. The present announces the 3668 02:21:41,019 --> 02:21:43.007 emergency. fema then runs into 3669 02:21:43,007 --> 02:21:46.025 action. There. There is somebody 3670 02:21:46,025, --> 02:21:47.024 that we can all collect.

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3671 02:21:47,024 --> 02:21:49.017 ourselves around and remain 3672 02:21:49,017, -->, 02:21:52.009, calm or as calm as can possibly 3673, 02:21:52,009 --> 02:21:55.000 be while the appropriate 3674 02:21:55,000 --> 02:21:58.001 departments rush into action., 3675 02:21:58,001, --> 02:22:00.013, that's what this is all about. 3676 02:22:00,013, --> 02:22:03.011. This is not about somebody 3677 02:22:03,011, --> 02:22:07.013 usurping their own or having a 3678 02:22:07,013 --> 02:22:10.003 conspiracy about power.. It is 3679 02:22:10,003, --> 02:22:13.001, who do we? Who are we all going? 3680, 02:22:13,001, --> 02:22:17.000 to say, you know,.

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We need some 3681 02:22:17,000 --> 02:22:20.017 help here, and it should be the 3682 02:22:20,017 --> 02:22:22.008 mayor the person that actually 3683 02:22:22,008 --> 02:22:25.014, the majority of people in the 3684 02:22:25,014, -->, 02:22:27.012 city voted for because they 3685 02:22:27,012 --> 02:22:29.009 have confidence in him and his 3686 02:22:29,009 --> 02:22:33.008 leadership abilities and there 3687 02:22:33,008 --> 02:22:37.009. You go. thank you,, commissioner 3688 02:22:37,009 --> 02:22:42.012 marshman. yeah,, I. As far as the 3689 02:22:42,012 --> 02:22:45.017 subcommittee, goes,. I it's 3690 02:22:45,017 --> 02:22:47.019.

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Just me, but linda lizotte made 3691 02:22:47,019 --> 02:22:50.023 this proposal very early on, 3692 02:22:50,023, --> 02:22:53.022, maybe even at the first meeting 3693 02:22:53,022 --> 02:22:55.001. She submitted the first memo: 3694 02:22:55,001 --> 02:23:00.011 for a proposal. people had 3695 02:23:00,011, --> 02:23:02.026 questions at that time about 3696 02:23:02,026, -->, 02:23:05.018 it.. She rewrote the memo it 3697 02:23:05,018 --> 02:23:07.026 must be. I don't know how many 3698 02:23:07,026 --> 02:23:11.028 rewrites later now. It's not 3699 02:23:11,028 --> 02:23:14.022. I realize everyone doesn't 3700.

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02:23:14,022 --> 02:23:16.026, understand entirely what 3701 02:23:16,026 --> 02:23:17.003 happens with the office of 3702 02:23:17,003 --> 02:23:21.007 emergency services, but it's 3703, 02:23:21,007 --> 02:23:22.018 common sense.. I mean it's 3704, 02:23:22,018 --> 02:23:23.025.

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Basically, the people who went 3705, 02:23:23,025, -->, 02:23:25.021 out and and were watching the 3706 02:23:25,021 --> 02:23:29.009 creek and somehow nobody 3707 02:23:29,009 --> 02:23:31.001, figured out to warn the 3708 02:23:31,001 --> 02:23:33.023 vietnamese residents along in 3709 02:23:33,023 --> 02:23:34.018, the community along the creek 3710 02:23:34,018 --> 02:23:35.029, because they didn't want to 3711 02:23:35,029 -->, 02:23:39.009, wake them up and so homes, 3712, 02:23:39,009, --> 02:23:41.025 were flooded and vehicles were 3713, 02:23:41,025, -->, 02:23:44.011 lost and, and fortunately nobody, 3714 02:23:44,011 --> 02:23:47.003 died., but it was it just could.

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3715 02:23:47,003 --> 02:23:50.026 have been so much easier in 3716 02:23:50,026, --> 02:23:52.020, that case. and in the case of 3717 02:23:52,020 --> 02:23:54.021, the george floyd protests, 3718 02:23:54,021, --> 02:23:57.005. When the curfew was called,, 3719, 02:23:57,005, --> 02:23:59.019, you know, people blame the 3720, 02:23:59,019 --> 02:24:01.021 mayor., they assume a mayor is 3721 02:24:01,021, --> 02:24:03.012, you know,. The newspapers calls 3722 02:24:03,012 --> 02:24:05.020 up the mayor.. What how this 3723 02:24:05,020 --> 02:24:08.021 happened. people, picketed the 3724, 02:24:08,021 --> 02:24:10.028, mayor's house.

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Writing 3725 02:24:10,028 --> 02:24:12.006, obscenities on the front of the 3726 02:24:12,006 --> 02:24:17.009, mayor's house. in fact, for 3727 02:24:17,009 --> 02:24:19.027, four months after those 3728 02:24:19,027 --> 02:24:21.018 incidents, as if the mayor had 3729 02:24:21,018, --> 02:24:23.027, anything to do with it., but the 3730 02:24:23,027 --> 02:24:26.018 mayor did not.

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The mayor was not 3731 02:24:26,018 --> 02:24:28.024 in charge of calling an 3732, 02:24:28,024, --> 02:24:30.013 emergency, calling a curfew or 3733 02:24:30,013 --> 02:24:32.021 anything else that was the city 3734 02:24:32,021, -->, 02:24:34.025 manager, working with the police, 3735 02:24:34,025, -->, 02:24:36.000 chief.. Now I'm not saying 3736, 02:24:36,000, -->, 02:24:39.008, right or wrong on that. I would 3737 02:24:39,008 --> 02:24:40.024, call it right or wrong on the 3738 02:24:40,024 --> 02:24:41.008 coyote creek thing because I 3739 02:24:41,008 --> 02:24:44.025 was appalled..

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I a lot of people 3740 02:24:44,025, --> 02:24:45.024 were that folks weren't given 3741 02:24:45,024 --> 02:24:50.026 more warning., but if you're 3742 02:24:50,026 --> 02:24:52.020 going to blame the mayor for 3743 02:24:52,020 --> 02:24:54.028 things that go wrong,, then 3744 02:24:54,028, --> 02:24:55.010.

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Let's make the mayor 3745 02:24:55,010, --> 02:24:58.006 accountable, and there are times 3746 02:24:58,006, --> 02:25:02.001, when yes, rationally, there's 3747 02:25:02,001, -->, 02:25:04.012, rational judgment,, there's a 3748 02:25:04,012 -->, 02:25:06.021 lot of training and the mayor, 3749 02:25:06,021, -->, 02:25:07.002 and mayor staff would have to 3750 02:25:07,002 --> 02:25:09.026 be trained in emergency 3751 02:25:09,026 -->, 02:25:11.019 services., linda linda, made that 3752 02:25:11,019 --> 02:25:13.012 clear that that that should 3753 02:25:13,012 --> 02:25:15.025 happen., it happens and all the 3754 02:25:15,025 --> 02:25:17.018 other cities that have mayors, 3755, 02:25:17,018, --> 02:25:20.029, who do this,.

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They have training, 3756, 02:25:20,029, --> 02:25:21.016. Some of them have have full 3757, 02:25:21,016, -->, 02:25:23.028 time staff members to keep it 3758, 02:25:23,028 --> 02:25:25.012, to keep an eye or full time 3759 02:25:25,012 --> 02:25:27.020 people who keep an eye on 3760, 02:25:27,020, -->, 02:25:28.023 this.. I know that it's full 3761 02:25:28,023 --> 02:25:33.010 time who stay up on everything, 3762 02:25:33,010 --> 02:25:36.006, but the the idea is a person 3763 02:25:36,006 --> 02:25:38.006, who is responsible to the 3764 02:25:38,006 --> 02:25:41.024 voters to the people of the 3765 02:25:41,024 --> 02:25:44.005 community.

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That's that's a 3766 02:25:44,005 --> 02:25:46.004 person who should have the 3767 02:25:46,004 -->, 02:25:48.024 responsibility in this and 3768 02:25:48,024 --> 02:25:50.010 and the council convene twenty 3769 02:25:50,010 --> 02:25:52.010 minutes after the mayor makes 3770 02:25:52,010 --> 02:25:55.004 the proclamation if they don't 3771 02:25:55,004 --> 02:25:58.008.

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If they don't like it, but if 3772 02:25:58,008, --> 02:25:59.018, it's an earthquake and the 3773 02:25:59,018 --> 02:26:01.023 internet's down and people 3774 02:26:01,023 --> 02:26:03.011 can't communicate and people 3775, 02:26:03,011, --> 02:26:05.008 are dying and there are 3776 02:26:05,008, --> 02:26:08.028 choices to be made about who to 3777 02:26:08,028 --> 02:26:10.022 rescue first,. Where do you go 3778 02:26:10,022, -->, 02:26:12.001, first?? What these are not 3779, 02:26:12,001 -->, 02:26:15.023, necessarily knowledge based., 3780 02:26:15,023, --> 02:26:16.010. They are, they are judgment: 3781 02:26:16,010, -->, 02:26:18.008, calls.

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you're, not going to have 3782 02:26:18,008 --> 02:26:20.013, all the information.. It's my 3783 02:26:20,013 --> 02:26:22.026, feeling that since the mayor, 3784 02:26:22,026 --> 02:26:24.014 gets blamed,. The mayor is the 3785 02:26:24,014 --> 02:26:27.023 person, who should do it and 3786 02:26:27,023 --> 02:26:29.006, it's not about sam licadho, 3787, 02:26:29,006, -->, 02:26:33.003 or cindy chavez or whoever else 3788 02:26:33,003 --> 02:26:35.028 is out there..

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It is the 3789 02:26:35,028 --> 02:26:37.010 position the elected position: 3790 02:26:37,010 --> 02:26:40.027 by a majority of the people, 3791 02:26:40,027, -->, 02:26:41.008, sorry to have run on like that. 3792, 02:26:41,008, --> 02:26:43.022. It's just frustrate because 3793 02:26:43,022 --> 02:26:44.018. This has been out there for so 3794 02:26:44,018 -->, 02:26:46.022 long and there's there's just 3795 02:26:46,022 --> 02:26:49.021 been sort of an explosion of 3796, 02:26:49,021 --> 02:26:51.018 shock and awe at the you know, 3797 02:26:51,018 --> 02:26:53.019.

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Now, because because we're 3798, 02:26:53,019 --> 02:26:55.024 proposing this because liveness 3799 02:26:55,024 --> 02:26:58.023 proposing this thank you. thank 3800, 02:26:58,023, --> 02:27:06.008. You, commissioner, for this 3801 02:27:06,008 --> 02:27:10.005, something community. In 3802 02:27:10,005 -->, 02:27:17.005 here., I'm sorry, I just ok, so no 3803, 02:27:17,005, --> 02:27:21.028 one is there's a lot. We 3804 02:27:21,028, --> 02:27:24.011, don't know, and I'm just asking 3805 02:27:24,011 --> 02:27:27.020 that we take the time to to be 3806. 02:27:27,020, -->, 02:27:29.027, better informed. we have to if 3807 02:27:29,027, --> 02:27:31.018 we want.

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We have two examples: 3808 02:27:31,018, --> 02:27:33.025 that george floyd and the 3809 02:27:33,025 --> 02:27:35.022 flooding. We can ask the city, 3810, 02:27:35,022, -->, 02:27:37.011 manager tell us exactly what 3811 02:27:37,011 --> 02:27:39.006 happened.. How did it work? how 3812 02:27:39,006 --> 02:27:41.019? Did it not work?? How could it 3813 02:27:41,019 --> 02:27:43.027 be improved?? We can invite the 3814 02:27:43,027 --> 02:27:44.023 mayor.

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If you want to hear from 3815 02:27:44,023 --> 02:27:46.023 the mayor from his perspective, 3816 02:27:46,023, --> 02:27:48.003 of what was going on in and 3817 02:27:48,003 --> 02:27:51.028, what he couldn't or wouldn't or 3818 02:27:51,028 --> 02:27:53.015 wasn't able to do if we want to 3819 02:27:53,015 --> 02:27:55.027 go that far.. I personally I'm 3820 02:27:55,027 --> 02:27:56.023, not thinking about that., I'm 3821 02:27:56,023, --> 02:27:58.005. Only thinking about director of 3822 02:27:58,005 --> 02:28:00.017, the office of emergency 3823, 02:28:00,017 -->, 02:28:03.009, emergency management and again, 3824 02:28:03,009 --> 02:28:05.026, you know,.

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This has been on for 3825, 02:28:05,026, -->, 02:28:06.012, a long time and we've yet to 3826 02:28:06,012 --> 02:28:08.016 really get educated and 3827 02:28:08,016, -->, 02:28:10.023, informed and personally for 3828 02:28:10,023 --> 02:28:13.014 myself. As I said already that I 3829 02:28:13,014 --> 02:28:15.003 was supporting., but the more I 3830 02:28:15,003 --> 02:28:18.008 thought of the of the 3831 02:28:18,008 --> 02:28:20.008, especially the protest that 3832 02:28:20,008 --> 02:28:22.026 side of it.

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I became more 3833, 02:28:22,026 --> 02:28:24.013 concerned and really wanted to 3834 02:28:24,013 --> 02:28:26.018 make sure that we made the 3835 02:28:26,018 --> 02:28:28.011 right decision, especially since 3836 02:28:28,011, --> 02:28:30.007. We don't know what happened: 3837, 02:28:30,007 --> 02:28:32.021 with that, and we also don't 3838 02:28:32,021 --> 02:28:34.024 know how the office of 3839 02:28:34,024 --> 02:28:37.027 emergency management works and 3840 02:28:37,027 --> 02:28:39.006. I went on their web. Page, tried 3841, 02:28:39,006, --> 02:28:43.020 to become better informed and 3842 02:28:43,020 --> 02:28:44.029 and I think, you know,.

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We have 3843 02:28:44,029 --> 02:28:46.024 to we we need to. We owe it to 3844 02:28:46,024 --> 02:28:50.017 our to the public to to go and 3845 02:28:50,017 --> 02:28:52.011 meet with them and learn more 3846 02:28:52,011 --> 02:28:54.017 about what they do and how it's 3847, 02:28:54,017 --> 02:28:56.026 working today.. It sounds good. 3848, 02:28:56,026, --> 02:28:57.019 give the power to the mayor. 3849 02:28:57,019 --> 02:28:59.000, but you know what? whether or 3850 02:28:59,000 --> 02:29:01.015. Not the mayor has the 3851 02:29:01,015 --> 02:29:03.022 authority,. The city will always 3852 02:29:03,022 --> 02:29:04.010.

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Look to that person for 3853 02:29:04,010, --> 02:29:07.023 leadership and help that will 3854 02:29:07,023 --> 02:29:08.028 happen. that happens. Now. it 3855, 02:29:08,028 --> 02:29:09.023 will always happen. that 3856 02:29:09,023 --> 02:29:11.013 doesn't mean that that person, 3857 02:29:11,013 --> 02:29:13.000, has to have the authority to 3858 02:29:13,000 --> 02:29:15.018 declare the emergency, 3859 02:29:15,018 --> 02:29:16.009, especially if they may not be 3860, 02:29:16,009, -->, 02:29:18.016, equipped or skilled, or have the 3861 02:29:18,016 -->.

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02:29:20.009 ability to know how to do this: 3862, 02:29:20,009, -->, 02:29:22.019 and compare to to the people 3863 02:29:22,019 --> 02:29:23.017, who are responsible for 3864 02:29:23,017, -->, 02:29:26.021 emergencies and our city.. So I 3865 02:29:26,021, -->, 02:29:27.004, guess the other thing I just 3866, 02:29:27,004 --> 02:29:32.008 wanted to ask sheriff herrera I 3867 02:29:32,008, --> 02:29:34.018 just want some guidance because 3868 02:29:34,018 --> 02:29:37.026.

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I would really like for us to 3869 02:29:37,026 --> 02:29:39.008 to either table this at this 3870 02:29:39,008, -->, 02:29:42.011 point or or take a vote that 3871 02:29:42,011 --> 02:29:43.024 we're going to wait until we 3872 02:29:43,024 --> 02:29:45.006 get better informed.. I don't 3873 02:29:45,006 --> 02:29:47.026 know what the options are: 3874 02:29:47,026 --> 02:29:49.006 according to our process,, but 3875 02:29:49,006, --> 02:29:51.003. Let's finish the discussion, 3876 02:29:51,003 --> 02:29:53.006, and get to thank you. thank 3877 02:29:53,006 -->, 02:29:57.003 you., commissioner matsumura. 3878 02:29:57,003 --> 02:30:01.004. Thank you..

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So excuse me so I I 3879 02:30:01,004 --> 02:30:02.011 appreciate many of the 3880 02:30:02,011 --> 02:30:05.000 intentions of the memo.. We were 3881 02:30:05,000 --> 02:30:09.026, tasked as a commission to look 3882 02:30:09,026 --> 02:30:11.029 at how we improve 3883 02:30:11,029 -->, 02:30:14.000 accountability at city hall and 3884 02:30:14,000 --> 02:30:20.029.

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I think, as a general rule being 3885 02:30:20,029, -->, 02:30:20.021 being very disciplined in 3886 02:30:20,021, --> 02:30:22.017, scrutinizing, where we can place 3887 02:30:22,017, --> 02:30:24.010 power into the hands of elected 3888, 02:30:24,010 --> 02:30:30.006 officials is is critical, that 3889 02:30:30,006 --> 02:30:32.005, that being said, having 3890 02:30:32,005 --> 02:30:34.003. Having given consideration and 3891 02:30:34,003 --> 02:30:37.023 appreciating the work that it 3892, 02:30:37,023 --> 02:30:38.023 has put into the revisions 3893 02:30:38,023 --> 02:30:42.026 to the memo,. I I won't be 3894 02:30:42,026 --> 02:30:45.011 supporting it..

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I I understand 3895 02:30:45,011 --> 02:30:47.015 the concerns about how 3896 02:30:47,015 --> 02:30:52.000 emergencies have been handled., 3897, 02:30:52,000, --> 02:30:56.019. I think, though, that the answer 3898 02:30:56,019 --> 02:30:57.019, is it's not just to say: well, 3899 02:30:57,019, --> 02:30:59.019, let's be great, but let's give 3900 02:30:59,019 --> 02:31:01.019 those powers to to somebody 3901 02:31:01,019, --> 02:31:06.001 else, who may not be more 3902 02:31:06,001 -->. 02:31:10.007 qualified. mayors are elected, 3903, 02:31:10,007, --> 02:31:11.025, based on a variety of 3904, 02:31:11,025 --> 02:31:13.019 qualifications and, as we heard 3905 02:31:13,019 --> 02:31:15.021.

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As we studied this topic of 3906 02:31:15,021 --> 02:31:19.012 strong mayors, specifically 3907 02:31:19,012 --> 02:31:22.019. They they are often better 3908, 02:31:22,019, -->, 02:31:23.022 tested in their ability to 3909 02:31:23,022 --> 02:31:25.008 perform politically than in 3910 02:31:25,008 --> 02:31:29.021, their ability to to administer 3911 02:31:29,021 --> 02:31:31.005 and in the case of an emergency 3912 02:31:31,005, -->, 02:31:34.024 being very high stakes, lives, 3913, 02:31:34,024, --> 02:31:37.026 are on the line.

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Key issues as 3914 02:31:37,026 --> 02:31:38.009 as commissioners have 3915 02:31:38,009 --> 02:31:41.000 referenced in talking about 3916 02:31:41,000 --> 02:31:44.014 concerns about how civil rights 3917, 02:31:44,014, -->, 02:31:45.022 uprisings have been handled or 3918 02:31:45,022 --> 02:31:48.018 could be handled.. I think that 3919 02:31:48,018 --> 02:31:53.018, it's crucial that we focus key 3920 02:31:53,018 --> 02:31:55.016 authority in the hands of those 3921 02:31:55,016 --> 02:31:58.016, where we can hire and fire them. 3922 02:31:58,016 --> 02:32:01.011, based on their ability to do 3923, 02:32:01,011 --> 02:32:04.014. This job.

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in the case of a 3924 02:32:04,014 --> 02:32:07.011 mayor, we may have somebody who 3925 02:32:07,011 --> 02:32:08.013, would be excellent in this 3926 02:32:08,013 --> 02:32:10.000 situation.. We may have somebody 3927 02:32:10,000, --> 02:32:12.024, who would panic in this 3928 02:32:12,024 --> 02:32:13.017 situation.. We may have somebody 3929 02:32:13,017 --> 02:32:15.022, who is in their first day on 3930 02:32:15,022 --> 02:32:17.003 the job when emergency hits we 3931 02:32:17,003 --> 02:32:20.028 may have somebody with zero 3932 02:32:20,028 --> 02:32:21.009 previous experience in the 3933 02:32:21,009 --> 02:32:24.017 public sector.

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we're seeing 3934 02:32:24,017 --> 02:32:25.008. Quite a number of candidates. 3935 02:32:25,008 --> 02:32:27.021 come forward nationally and 3936 02:32:27,021 --> 02:32:29.012 locally, who who move directly 3937 02:32:29,012 --> 02:32:31.004 into high public office without 3938 02:32:31,004 --> 02:32:34.026 previous experience.. I 3939 02:32:34,026 --> 02:32:36.017 appreciate the the desire to 3940 02:32:36,017 --> 02:32:38.003 align our charter with public 3941 02:32:38,003 --> 02:32:41.010 perception.

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But in this case I 3942 02:32:41,010 --> 02:32:45.021 think that we we don't want to 3943 02:32:45,021 --> 02:32:47.027, give somebody a bunch of power, 3944 02:32:47,027 --> 02:32:48.003 that they may or may not be 3945 02:32:48,003 --> 02:32:50.008 able to use for the good of the 3946 02:32:50,008 --> 02:32:52.008 public, just for the purposes of 3947 02:32:52,008 --> 02:32:55.021, aligning with perception that 3948 02:32:55,021 --> 02:32:59.022.

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Some people were mad at the 3949 02:32:59,022 --> 02:33:02.007 present when you were fighting 3950, 02:33:02,007, --> 02:33:07.009 for or the violence against, the 3951 02:33:07,009 --> 02:33:08.016 public. In the case of the 3952 02:33:08,016 --> 02:33:09.021 george floyd protest,, some 3953 02:33:09,021 --> 02:33:10.011 people were probably mad at the 3954 02:33:10,011 --> 02:33:12.018 governor. we're not proposing 3955 02:33:12,018 --> 02:33:14.005 to give the powers there.. I 3956 02:33:14,005 --> 02:33:18.004 think that we actually don't 3957 02:33:18,004 --> 02:33:19.006 want the handling of 3958 02:33:19,006 --> 02:33:22.024 emergencies to be politicized., 3959, 02:33:22,024, --> 02:33:24.016.

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I think we want that to to be 3960 02:33:24,016 --> 02:33:26.021, as removed as possible from 3961 02:33:26,021 --> 02:33:30.011 political considerations and 3962 02:33:30,011 --> 02:33:35.006. For those those reasons, I'm I'm 3963 02:33:35,006 --> 02:33:36.017 not going to be supporting the 3964 02:33:36,017 --> 02:33:38.028 memo.. I think if, if we wanted 3965 02:33:38,028 --> 02:33:40.005 to take a much more tailored 3966 02:33:40,005 --> 02:33:42.015 approach for example, 3967 02:33:42,015 --> 02:33:43.009, commissioner of office, raise 3968 02:33:43,009 --> 02:33:45.014.

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The concern that right now the 3969 02:33:45,014 --> 02:33:48.011 city manager actually has seven 3970 02:33:48,011 --> 02:33:49.016 days before they have to go to 3971 02:33:49,016 --> 02:33:50.022, the city. Council.- I think that 3972 02:33:50,022 --> 02:33:55.028 is of concern., but this 3973 02:33:55,028 --> 02:33:57.028 approach, I'm concerned will 3974 02:33:57,028 --> 02:34:00.005 will give powers to a mayor who 3975 02:34:00,005 --> 02:34:02.022 may not be able to use that for 3976 02:34:02,022 --> 02:34:06.023, the best of the public. thank 3977, 02:34:06,023 -->, 02:34:08.024 you,, commissioner marshman and 3978 02:34:08,024 --> 02:34:11.000.

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Then, commissioner amador. oh, 3979 02:34:11,000, -->, 02:34:15.026, ok, commissioner. yes, thank 3980, 02:34:15,026 -->, 02:34:16.010 you. and I also wanted to 3981 02:34:16,010 --> 02:34:19.023, add reframing away from the 3982 02:34:19,023 --> 02:34:21.026 common sense; right.. We don't 3983 02:34:21,026 --> 02:34:23.028! All have that same privilege, 3984 02:34:23,028, -->, 02:34:25.024, that we don't have the same: 3985 02:34:25,024, -->, 02:34:27.020 experience and so sometimes 3986 02:34:27,020, --> 02:34:29.025. That common sense does not come 3987, 02:34:29,025, -->, 02:34:31.025. Naturally, right.

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education is a 3988 02:34:31,025, --> 02:34:33.024 privilege nowadays, and it has 3989 02:34:33,024 --> 02:34:35.008 always been a privilege.. It has 3990 02:34:35,008 --> 02:34:38.004 been something that I've been 3991 02:34:38,004 -->, 02:34:40.004 prarie privileged to have but 3992 02:34:40,004 --> 02:34:43.026 that it costs right. education, 3993, 02:34:43,026, --> 02:34:44.008 is not just academic education, 3994, 02:34:44,008, --> 02:34:46.004, but life experience,, education, 3995, 02:34:46,004, --> 02:34:49.017 as well., so reframing brown, 3996, 02:34:49,017, --> 02:34:51.008 away from. Let's all have this 3997 02:34:51,008 -->, 02:34:53.028 common sense or have this 3998 02:34:53,028, -->, 02:34:54.004 common sense.

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We don't know how 3999 02:34:54,004 --> 02:34:56.024 to because we all don't have 4000 02:34:56,024, --> 02:34:57.010, the same experience or the same 4001 02:34:57,010 -->, 02:35:00.001 education as well., and so I 4002 02:35:00,001 --> 02:35:02.014 really want other commissioners 4003 02:35:02,014 --> 02:35:04.026, to think about, as where you 4004 02:35:04,026 --> 02:35:05.007 know, in community with 4005 02:35:05,007, -->, 02:35:08.009, community reframing away from 4006 02:35:08,009 --> 02:35:11.013. This common sense.

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thank you., 4007 02:35:11,013 --> 02:35:15.007 thank you., any additional 4008 02:35:15,007 --> 02:35:18.000 discussion on this 4009 02:35:18,000 --> 02:35:20.026 commissioner?, the commissioner 4010 02:35:20,026 --> 02:35:22.008. First of all?, yes, thanks., you 4011 02:35:22,008 --> 02:35:24.018 know, over the course of many 4012 02:35:24,018 --> 02:35:25.005 weeks.

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We've had many 4013 02:35:25,005 --> 02:35:27.019 discussions on various options, 4014 02:35:27,019, -->, 02:35:30.007 or issues, and it's become clear, 4015 02:35:30,007, --> 02:35:32.025 to me that this commission, 4016 02:35:32,025 --> 02:35:34.021, feels very strongly that we 4017 02:35:34,021 --> 02:35:35.008 need to move the mayoral 4018 02:35:35,008 --> 02:35:37.009 election because it increases 4019, 02:35:37,009 --> 02:35:38.008 participation,, increased 4020, 02:35:38,008, -->, 02:35:40.006 representation to a the 4021 02:35:40,006 --> 02:35:42.006. Strengthening of democracy and 4022 02:35:42,006 --> 02:35:44.023.

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So we speak a good game about 4023 02:35:44,023, --> 02:35:45.026, letting the voters choose their 4024 02:35:45,026, -->, 02:35:47.010 elected leader, because what 4025 02:35:47,010 --> 02:35:50.020 exactly to elect a mayor to do 4026, 02:35:50,020, --> 02:35:52.015? What exactly? you know,? We are 4027, 02:35:52,015, -->, 02:35:54.002, also resistant to letting an 4028 02:35:54,002 -->, 02:35:56.023 elected official or the person 4029 02:35:56,023 -->, 02:35:58.009 elected citywide use his or her 4030 02:35:58,009 --> 02:36:00.028 judgment to declare an 4031, 02:36:00,028 -->, 02:36:02.003 emergency.

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and I understand the 4032 02:36:02,003 --> 02:36:04.006 hypothetical is about potential 4033, 02:36:04,006, -->, 02:36:06.000, pitfalls and such, but in my 4034 02:36:06,000 --> 02:36:09.022 view we have a political system, 4035 02:36:09,022 --> 02:36:11.013 in san jose, where it is first 4036, 02:36:11,013, --> 02:36:13.022 past the post, six votes., the 4037 02:36:13,022 --> 02:36:15.007 mayoral position doesn't do 4038, 02:36:15,007, --> 02:36:18.017 much and here again in a very 4039 02:36:18,017 --> 02:36:20.018 simple you know,, not taking 4040 02:36:20,018 --> 02:36:23.013 charge of putting down protest, 4041, 02:36:23,013, -->, 02:36:25.014, or putting lives in danger, but 4042 02:36:25,014, --> 02:36:26.015.

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Simply saying, there's an 4043 02:36:26,015 --> 02:36:27.005 emergency here and we need to 4044 02:36:27,005 --> 02:36:31.010 act now or sooner than later.. I 4045 02:36:31,010 --> 02:36:32.020, think that's a perfectly 4046 02:36:32,020 --> 02:36:33.027 appropriate use of the mayoral 4047 02:36:33,027 --> 02:36:35.005 power,, especially when, if our 4048 02:36:35,005 --> 02:36:37.023 recommendation goes through 4049 02:36:37,023, --> 02:36:39.023. This future mayor will be the 4050 02:36:39,023 --> 02:36:41.008 elected representative of a 4051 02:36:41,008 --> 02:36:44.028 majority of the city and a more 4052 02:36:44,028 --> 02:36:45.021 representative electorate..

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So I 4053 02:36:45,021 --> 02:36:46.004, guess my question to the 4054 02:36:46,004 --> 02:36:48.009 commission is we're putting all 4055 02:36:48,009 --> 02:36:49.006 this effort and all this talk. 4056 02:36:49,006, --> 02:36:52.016 about empowering voters, but 4057 02:36:52,016, --> 02:36:53.023, then to elect a figure to do 4058, 02:36:53,023 --> 02:36:54.024. What? Because, as it stands under 4059 02:36:54,024, --> 02:36:56.002 the charter?

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We, the mayor, being 4060 02:36:56,002, -->, 02:36:58.011, the what political leader of 4061 02:36:58,011 --> 02:36:59.012 the city, but all that amounts 4062, 02:36:59,012 --> 02:37:01.017 to is holding the gavel and 4063 02:37:01,017 --> 02:37:02.022, giving the state of the city 4064 02:37:02,022, -->, 02:37:03.023 speech, because everything else 4065 02:37:03,023 --> 02:37:05.002, that we're discussing. I see a 4066 02:37:05,002 --> 02:37:09.013 push towards communal decision, 4067 02:37:09,013 --> 02:37:10.000, making, which is a fine 4068, 02:37:10,000 -->, 02:37:12.008 preference. But it's simply,.

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You 4069 02:37:12,008, -->, 02:37:13.008, know,, majority rules, every 4070, 02:37:13,008, -->, 02:37:14.024 single time. There is no 4071 02:37:14,024 --> 02:37:16.017 differentiation powers, a true 4072 02:37:16,017, -->, 02:37:18.003 executive and a legislative 4073 02:37:18,003 --> 02:37:20.003 branch or there to be checks: 4074, 02:37:20,003, -->, 02:37:21.019 and balances, because there's 4075, 02:37:21,019 --> 02:37:22.006, nothing that the mayor can do. 4076, 02:37:22,006, -->, 02:37:24.003, independent of the council in 4077, 02:37:24,003, -->, 02:37:26.003 any form.. This is a minor thing, 4078 02:37:26,003 --> 02:37:27.015, and I still feel that we have 4079 02:37:27,015 --> 02:37:29.015 resistance to it..

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So I just put 4080 02:37:29,015 --> 02:37:30.012, that out there for us to 4081 02:37:30,012 --> 02:37:32.015 reflect on.. I am supportive., I 4082 02:37:32,015 --> 02:37:33.000, don't think it's a huge power, 4083 02:37:33,000, -->, 02:37:35.019 grab or anything of that 4084 02:37:35,019, -->, 02:37:36.011 nature.. I think in the course 4085 02:37:36,011 --> 02:37:38.021 of a campaign of being a 4086 02:37:38,021, --> 02:37:39.007 candidate and being an elected 4087, 02:37:39,007 -->, 02:37:43.007 official candidate and elected, 4088 02:37:43,007 --> 02:37:44.020. They go through gantlet and 4089 02:37:44,020 --> 02:37:45.024.

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They hone their judgments and 4090 02:37:45,024 --> 02:37:46.020. They exercise the judgment in 4091, 02:37:46,020, --> 02:37:48.029.

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The way that is keeping the 4092 02:37:48,029 --> 02:37:50.008 public front of mind in a 4093 02:37:50,008 --> 02:37:52.027 different way that 4094 02:37:52,027 --> 02:37:54.004 administrator, a bureaucrat,, a 4095, 02:37:54,004, --> 02:37:57.023 city manager is more thinking, 4096, 02:37:57,023, -->, 02:37:59.019 of organization and delegation, 4097, 02:37:59,019, -->, 02:38:01.022 and efficiency, and how to do a 4098, 02:38:01,022 --> 02:38:02.021 lot with little in terms of 4099 02:38:02,021 --> 02:38:04.018 budget, if they're, less 4100, 02:38:04,018, --> 02:38:06.019 connected for better for worse 4101, 02:38:06,019, --> 02:38:09.023 from from communities., and I 4102 02:38:09,023 --> 02:38:10.024- think it's entirely appropriate.

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4103 02:38:10,024 --> 02:38:13.020 to have the mayor. Citywide, 4104, 02:38:13,020, -->, 02:38:15.008 elected official, make the call 4105 02:38:15,008 --> 02:38:17.021 about when emergency is and to 4106. 02:38:17,021 --> 02:38:18.018 put the wheels in motion for 4107 02:38:18,018 --> 02:38:20.029 the city to follow an already a 4108 02:38:20,029 --> 02:38:21.006 plan in place not to make every 4109 02:38:21,006, -->, 02:38:24.011 single call but to say: ok, you 4110, 02:38:24,011, -->, 02:38:26.008 know, go into emergency mode, so 4111 02:38:26,008, -->, 02:38:30.029 I'll, stop there. thanks! You. 4112, 02:38:30,029, --> 02:38:31.028!

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I have commissioners first 4113 02:38:31,028 --> 02:38:33.021 of all vice chair johnson, then 4114 02:38:33,021, --> 02:38:35.014, commissioner siegel, because 4115 02:38:35,014 --> 02:38:37.008 your personal effects and 4116 02:38:37,008 --> 02:38:39.013, I'm going to just give my 4117 02:38:39,013 --> 02:38:40.003 thanks to commissioner lizotte 4118 02:38:40,003 --> 02:38:42.019 for this is this- is a really 4119 02:38:42,019 --> 02:38:45.018 hard issue.. I just, I think we 4120 02:38:45,018 --> 02:38:46.003 can all see that the 4121 02:38:46,003 --> 02:38:48.005 technicalities involved with 4122 02:38:48,005 --> 02:38:51.011. This and reading the memo you 4123 02:38:51,011 -->, 02:38:52.000 know,.

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I really get a sense that 4124 02:38:52,000 --> 02:38:54.012 a lot of time and thought went 4125 02:38:54,012, --> 02:38:57.016 into this.. I agree a lot with 4126 02:38:57,016, --> 02:38:59.022. What commissioner de commented 4127 02:38:59,022, --> 02:39:01.000 on.. I think it's. It really is. I 4128 02:39:01,000 --> 02:39:04.024 think the timing that the mayor 4129 02:39:04,024, --> 02:39:05.016 election and who votes for the 4130 02:39:05,016 --> 02:39:07.011 mayor, I think, needs to be a 4131 02:39:07,011.

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--≫ 02:39:08.003 ought to give it a lot of 4132 02:39:08,003 --> 02:39:10.020 consideration on issues like 4133 02:39:10,020, --> 02:39:13.013 this. If we are trying to 4134 02:39:13,013 --> 02:39:15.023, strengthen that connection, 4135 02:39:15,023 --> 02:39:17.013 between voters and the mayor, 4136 02:39:17,013 --> 02:39:19.004. It should in theory, have an 4137 02:39:19,004, --> 02:39:22.004 effect on how the mayor does 4138 02:39:22,004, --> 02:39:25.014 their job and what kinds of 4139 02:39:25,014 --> 02:39:26.023 incentives.

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They have to be 4140, 02:39:26,023, -->, 02:39:28.013, responsive and to who., and so I 4141 02:39:28,013 --> 02:39:30.016 think that that does need to be 4142, 02:39:30,016, --> 02:39:32.008, given a lot thought: moving: 4143 02:39:32,008, -->, 02:39:34.000 forward kind of thinking, past 4144, 02:39:34,000, -->, 02:39:36.009 necessarily: what's happened: 4145 02:39:36,009, -->, 02:39:37.003, twenty seventeen and thinking 4146, 02:39:37,003, --> 02:39:39.022. Just what would this mayor do? 4147, 02:39:39,022, -->, 02:39:40.001, but think about future mayors?, 4148 02:39:40,001 --> 02:39:42.008? What would that relationship? 4149, 02:39:42,008 --> 02:39:44.003, look like?.

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It does seem to me 4150 02:39:44,003 --> 02:39:46.008, though, that part of this and I 4151 02:39:46,008 --> 02:39:47.006, agree with commissioner 4152 02:39:47,006 --> 02:39:49.018 mondel?z point on this that 4153 02:39:49,018 --> 02:39:51.022. This is a very common thing to 4154 02:39:51,022 --> 02:39:54.013, do and in our political system, 4155 02:39:54,013 --> 02:39:56.001 to have someone elected, perhaps 4156 02:39:56,001 --> 02:39:59.023.

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Some of these powers in terms 4157 02:39:59,023, -->, 02:40:01.000 of public perception,, the 4158 02:40:01,000 --> 02:40:04.004 public is very likely going to 4159 02:40:04,004 --> 02:40:07.021 reward or blame the mayor for 4160 02:40:07,021, -->, 02:40:08.029, civil emergencies, whether they 4161 02:40:08,029, --> 02:40:10.013, have power or not.. So in some 4162, 02:40:10,013, --> 02:40:14.019 sense. I am concerned about,, you 4163 02:40:14,019, -->, 02:40:17.017, know,, a growing distrust. If the 4164 02:40:17,017 --> 02:40:20.018 sense that people see a problem: 4165 02:40:20,018, --> 02:40:21.014, that's not, maybe not being 4166 02:40:21,014, -->, 02:40:23.017 addressed,.

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They blame the mayor, 4167 02:40:23,017 --> 02:40:24.024 for that. But then the mayor, 4168, 02:40:24,024 --> 02:40:25.013, really doesn't have any control. 4169 02:40:25,013 --> 02:40:27.003 over it.. I don't I'm not sure 4170 02:40:27,003 --> 02:40:30.001, that's good in terms of a 4171 02:40:30,001 --> 02:40:33.029, strengthening and sort of 4172 02:40:33,029 --> 02:40:33.022, trying to build a good 4173, 02:40:33,022 --> 02:40:35.018 government, where people feel 4174 02:40:35,018 -->, 02:40:38.003 that it's responsive to them., 4175, 02:40:38,003, --> 02:40:40.020.

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One other point I was thinking 4176 02:40:40,020 --> 02:40:41.013 about is whether there is any 4177 02:40:41,013 --> 02:40:43.018 work either by commissioner 4178 02:40:43,018 -->, 02:40:44.017, lizotte or other members of the 4179 02:40:44,017 --> 02:40:45.006 subcommittee., I'm looking at 4180 02:40:45,006, --> 02:40:47.024 other language in terms of what 4181, 02:40:47,024 --> 02:40:48.017 emergency powers, how that's 4182, 02:40:48,017 -->, 02:40:50.010, conceptualized and defined in 4183, 02:40:50,010, --> 02:40:53.015 other cities..

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It seems to me 4184 02:40:53,015, -->, 02:40:54.002, that the language used in some 4185 02:40:54,002 --> 02:40:57.026 parts is fairly broad terms: 4186 02:40:57,026 --> 02:40:58.001, like extraordinary 4187, 02:40:58,001, -->, 02:41:01.014, extraordinary measures,, eminent 4188, 02:41:01,014, -->, 02:41:02.015 threat,, these kinds of things, 4189 02:41:02,015, --> 02:41:05.014. That attorneys tend to be don't 4190, 02:41:05,014 --> 02:41:07.016 spend a lot of time, defining. 4191 02:41:07,016, --> 02:41:08.022, and I'm curious.

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Whether there 4192 02:41:08,022 --> 02:41:09.028, was any study about how those 4193 02:41:09,028 --> 02:41:10.002 terms were used, if they were 4194, 02:41:10,002 --> 02:41:12.029 used in other cities in this 4195 02:41:12,029 --> 02:41:14.007 context,. Do you want me to 4196 02:41:14,007 --> 02:41:16.024 answer that?? You want me to 4197 02:41:16,024 --> 02:41:17.017 answer that?

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sure, 4198 02:41:17,017 -->, 02:41:24.012 commissioner., I so so so as I 4199 02:41:24,012 --> 02:41:26.021 said,, the powers that are given 4200 02:41:26,021, --> 02:41:27.000 to the city manager, role in the 4201 02:41:27,000 --> 02:41:30.022 municipal code and the 4202 02:41:30,022 --> 02:41:32.001 municipal code really is very 4203. 02:41:32,001 --> 02:41:37.009, not very strong.

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it just 4204, 02:41:37,009 --> 02:41:39.016 says that the city manager has 4205 02:41:39,016 --> 02:41:41.011 a duty to declare an emergency 4206 02:41:41,011 --> 02:41:44.025, when he declares, if there's an 4207, 02:41:44,025, --> 02:41:48.025 emergency, basically and the 4208 02:41:48,025 --> 02:41:50.009 language that I use came from 4209 02:41:50,009, -->, 02:41:53.024, several other cities and if it 4210 02:41:53,024 --> 02:41:55.016 was a little more specific,.

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You 4211 02:41:55,016, --> 02:41:58.028, know what it said that if there 4212 02:41:58,028 --> 02:42:00.004 was an imminent threat of life, 4213 02:42:00,004, -->, 02:42:04.029 and health and death or injury, 4214, 02:42:04,029, -->, 02:42:05.007 and, and it put it in that 4215 02:42:05,007 --> 02:42:08.006 context, so that it really is 4216 02:42:08,006 --> 02:42:12.019.

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With regard to a very dire 4217, 02:42:12,019 --> 02:42:15.017 situation, whereas the the 4218 02:42:15,017 --> 02:42:17.010 language, it's municipal code, 4219, 02:42:17,010, --> 02:42:19.023 that we're not dealing with 4220 02:42:19,023 --> 02:42:21.002, I thought was a little you 4221 02:42:21,002 --> 02:42:23.015, know, kind of kind of lucy, 4222 02:42:23,015, -->, 02:42:25.027 goosey.. So I'm trying to find a 4223 02:42:25,027, --> 02:42:30.007 language, here. oh,. Here it is., 4224, 02:42:30,007, --> 02:42:33.016.

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The director shall encourage 4225, 02:42:33,016 --> 02:42:34.010, the city council to proclaim an 4226 02:42:34,010 --> 02:42:37.008 emergency or proclaim the 4227 02:42:37,008 --> 02:42:38.001 existence of a threatened 4228 02:42:38,001 --> 02:42:40.021 existence of a local emergency 4229 02:42:40,021 --> 02:42:43.009 at the city council, trying to 4230 02:42:43,009 --> 02:42:46.025 find the language where it just 4231. 02:42:46,025 --> 02:42:47.020 said that he had a duty to do 4232, 02:42:47,020, --> 02:42:51.016 it, but it just didn't. oh, here 4233 02:42:51,016, --> 02:42:54.010.

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It is state of emergency when 4234 02:42:54,010 --> 02:42:58.005 the opinion of the director no, 4235 02:42:58,005 --> 02:43:04.007, that's state of emergency 4236, 02:43:04,007, -->, 02:43:06.000 anyway., the language that I put 4237 02:43:06,000 --> 02:43:08.023 in, as I said, came from several 4238 02:43:08,023 --> 02:43:09.029 other cities, and it seemed to 4239 02:43:09,029 --> 02:43:14.022 me to be more prescriptive of 4240 02:43:14,022 --> 02:43:16.001. What went into the judgment? 4241 02:43:16,001, --> 02:43:19.022 call, whereas I thought that the 4242 02:43:19,022 --> 02:43:20.022.

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What's in what's in the as I 4243 02:43:20,022 --> 02:43:22.013, said what I think is in the in 4244 02:43:22,013 --> 02:43:29.003. The municipal code has to do 4245, 02:43:29,003 --> 02:43:34.012, with the totality of 4246 02:43:34,012 --> 02:43:35.019.

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Everything and probably has a 4247 02:43:35,019 --> 02:43:37.008 lot to do with the training 4248 02:43:37,008 --> 02:43:39.005 that the city manager gets with 4249 02:43:39,005 --> 02:43:42.008 regard to what really is an 4250 02:43:42,008 --> 02:43:45.010 emergency under certain rules, 4251 02:43:45,010, -->, 02:43:46.012 and regulations that they 4252 02:43:46,012 --> 02:43:47.016 study., and that's why I said: 4253 02:43:47,016, -->, 02:43:50.024 that the mayor would have to 4254 02:43:50,024 --> 02:43:53.009, take this training or have 4255 02:43:53,009 --> 02:43:55.029, someone on his staff do it., but 4256 02:43:55,029, -->, 02:43:56.017, again,, he's not operating in a 4257 02:43:56,017 -->, 02:44:00.011 vacuum..

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He will be in control, 4258 02:44:00,011, -->, 02:44:03.018 or she will be in consultation, 4259, 02:44:03,018, --> 02:44:05.008 with everybody here. the I mean 4260 02:44:05,008, --> 02:44:08.009. I just this is a chart of the 4261 02:44:08,009 --> 02:44:10.028 emergency operations. Center., I 4262 02:44:10,028 --> 02:44:12.001 mean look at that.. I mean he's 4263 02:44:12,001 --> 02:44:15.011, not operating in a vacuum. 4264 02:44:15,011 --> 02:44:16.029 they've got all of that behind 4265 02:44:16,029 --> 02:44:20.000 them., you know, it's so you 4266 02:44:20,000 --> 02:44:22.002 know,.

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To answer your question, 4267 02:44:22,002, --> 02:44:26.023, I thought it was gave it more 4268, 02:44:26,023, --> 02:44:27.021 meat, so that people would 4269 02:44:27,021 --> 02:44:30.018 understand what the mayor had: 4270 02:44:30,018 --> 02:44:32.014 to look at in consultation with 4271 02:44:32,014 --> 02:44:34.011, all of the experts that he has 4272 02:44:34,011 --> 02:44:37.026. He or she has with them to to 4273 02:44:37,026 --> 02:44:39.016 make this decision. and I 4274 02:44:39,016 --> 02:44:43.022 thought it made it really.

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4275 02:44:43,022 --> 02:44:45.010, put put put down some of the 4276 02:44:45,010 --> 02:44:47.002 fears that were expressed: 4277 02:44:47,002 --> 02:44:50.020 earlier with regard to giving 4278 02:44:50,020 --> 02:44:51.025 the mayor, carte blanche to 4279 02:44:51,025 --> 02:44:53.006 declare an emergency just for 4280 02:44:53,006, --> 02:44:55.018, the heck of it., you know, it 4281 02:44:55,018, -->, 02:44:57.021 snowed in on verstraete declare: 4282 02:44:57,021 --> 02:44:58.025 an emergency. you know, now 4283 02:44:58,025, --> 02:45:00.020. This. This sets forth what the 4284 02:45:00,020 --> 02:45:02.009 thinking needs to go to and so 4285 02:45:02,009 --> 02:45:05.021.

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That's I did what I was doing: 4286 02:45:05,021 --> 02:45:06.011. My research. I had looked for 4287 02:45:06,011, --> 02:45:09.018, the best language and, in fact a 4288 02:45:09,018 --> 02:45:11.019 lot of the powers that that 4289 02:45:11,019 --> 02:45:12.003. There are very few of the 4290 02:45:12,003 --> 02:45:15.010 powers that he actually has in 4291 02:45:15,010 --> 02:45:17.027, some cities like one for pages, 4292, 02:45:17,027, -->, 02:45:18.007 and pages and pages and pages. 4293, 02:45:18,007, --> 02:45:20.014, and I talk to the city attorney 4294, 02:45:20,014, --> 02:45:21.029, and he said well.

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We didn't we 4295 02:45:21,029 --> 02:45:22.017 didn't do that because if you 4296 02:45:22,017 --> 02:45:24.000 leave something out and you 4297 02:45:24,000 --> 02:45:27.002 need it and it's not there 4298 02:45:27,002 --> 02:45:28.025, whereas if you make it a little 4299 02:45:28,025 --> 02:45:30.023 more you, you have the powers, 4300 02:45:30,023 --> 02:45:31.020, that you need to get the 4301 02:45:31,020 --> 02:45:33.019 emergency taken care of it. is 4302 02:45:33,019, --> 02:45:36.011 that a way to look at and quite 4303 02:45:36,011 --> 02:45:38.008.

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Frankly, I'm just so surprised: 4304, 02:45:38,008, --> 02:45:40.007 that people are so willing to 4305 02:45:40,007 --> 02:45:43.020, give all of this power to an 4306, 02:45:43,020 --> 02:45:46.007, unelected person, even batting 4307 02:45:46,007 --> 02:45:50.025, an eye, you know,, but wanted to 4308 02:45:50,025 --> 02:45:51.009. Give it to somebody who could 4309 02:45:51,009 --> 02:45:54.022 be held accountable, is, is 4310 02:45:54,022, --> 02:45:57.016, causing concern. but again, 4311 02:45:57,016 --> 02:45:59.009. This is this: is the mechanism 4312 02:45:59,009 --> 02:46:03.005 that it's operating.? It's not 4313, 02:46:03,005 --> 02:46:07.002, it's not a vacuum! Chair.

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can 4314 02:46:07,002 --> 02:46:11.020. I can. I follow up quickly and I 4315 02:46:11,020 --> 02:46:15.000 just wanted to just ask what 4316 02:46:15,000 --> 02:46:18.014 would under your understanding, 4317 02:46:18,014 --> 02:46:19.020. So I think some of the things 4318 02:46:19,020 --> 02:46:20.017. We heard from the public with 4319 02:46:20,017 --> 02:46:23.015, particularly with say, civil 4320 02:46:23,015 --> 02:46:27.010 protest, like we saw last year, 4321 02:46:27,010, -->, 02:46:32.010 or using the police to address 4322 02:46:32,010 --> 02:46:37.018, a civil emergency..

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So we have 4323 02:46:37,018 --> 02:46:38.023 and it seems like there's a lot 4324 02:46:38,023 --> 02:46:40.010 of agreement about for natural 4325, 02:46:40,010 -->, 02:46:42.003 disasters.. I think you have 4326 02:46:42,003 --> 02:46:44.026, other kinds of emergencies that 4327 02:46:44,026 --> 02:46:47.018 could be defined so or 4328 02:46:47,018, --> 02:46:49.022, something like a pandemic like 4329, 02:46:49,022, --> 02:46:50.018.

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What we have now a future 4330 02:46:50,018 --> 02:46:52.004 pandemic., would that be an 4331 02:46:52,004, --> 02:46:57.001 emergency or a rise in crime or 4332 02:46:57,001, --> 02:47:00.027, or incidents of civil unrest,, 4333 02:47:00,027, --> 02:47:00.006, those kinds of things., so I 4334 02:47:00,006, --> 02:47:02.006!

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Guess that's what I'm getting 4335 02:47:02,006 --> 02:47:03.007 at least what I'm hearing from 4336 02:47:03,007 --> 02:47:05.019, the public., and so that's why I 4337 02:47:05,019 --> 02:47:06.004, think maybe it makes sense to 4338 02:47:06,004 --> 02:47:08.006 to spend a little more time on 4339 02:47:08,006, --> 02:47:11.025, trying to really nail down as 4340 02:47:11,025 --> 02:47:12.001 best. We can given so many still 4341 02:47:12,001 --> 02:47:14.029 a lot of uncertainties about 4342, 02:47:14,029, --> 02:47:15.011. What these emergencies look? 4343 02:47:15,011 --> 02:47:18.000, like in practice.

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well, like 4344, 02:47:18,000, --> 02:47:21.010, the municipal code, doesn't say: 4345 02:47:21,010, --> 02:47:22.019. What these emergency look like: 4346, 02:47:22,019, --> 02:47:23.022 in practice.. That's that's! What 4347 02:47:23,022 --> 02:47:24.021, I'm that's what I'm saying. the 4348 02:47:24,021 --> 02:47:28.007 municipal code is. It says the 4349 02:47:28,007 --> 02:47:31.012 manager can make an issue rules. 4350, 02:47:31,012, -->, 02:47:32.021 and regulations are matters 4351, 02:47:32,021, -->, 02:47:33.006, reasonably related to the 4352 02:47:33,006 --> 02:47:35.020, protection of life and property 4353 02:47:35,020 --> 02:47:37.018 as affected by such emergency. 4354 02:47:37,018 --> 02:47:39.011, you know,.

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So I mean how broad 4355 02:47:39,011 --> 02:47:41.027 is that that the manager do 4356, 02:47:41,027 --> 02:47:46.013, that right now, and so you know, 4357 02:47:46,013 --> 02:47:48.019. What happened at what happened?

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4358 02:47:48,019 --> 02:47:51.014 after the emergency was issued, 4359, 02:47:51,014 --> 02:47:55.003, whether it was the police or 4360 02:47:55,003 --> 02:47:58.012, the flood,, whatever those 4361 02:47:58,012 --> 02:48:03.020 things happened days after an 4362 02:48:03,020 --> 02:48:05.009 emergency was clear., some of it 4363 02:48:05,009 --> 02:48:07.022 happened before., that's what 4364 02:48:07,022 --> 02:48:08.004 caused the emergency to be 4365, 02:48:08,004 -->, 02:48:13.026 declared., but I think a lot of 4366 02:48:13,026 --> 02:48:15.023 people reacting to to how it 4367, 02:48:15,023, --> 02:48:18.011, was implemented and that's 4368 02:48:18,011 --> 02:48:20.027.

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That's the emergency management, 4369 02:48:20,027, -->, 02:48:22.015 services. That's you know, 4370, 02:48:22,015, --> 02:48:24.010! That's not the declaring of the 4371 02:48:24,010 -->, 02:48:28.018 emergency. and speaking of the 4372 02:48:28,018 --> 02:48:30.001 pandemic. yeah., that, like the 4373 02:48:30,001 --> 02:48:32.010 pandemic. Usually what happens 4374 02:48:32,010 --> 02:48:35.026 is the present calls it and the 4375 02:48:35,026 --> 02:48:37.008 governor, then the county, then 4376 02:48:37,008, --> 02:48:39.027. We declare a local emergency, 4377, 02:48:39,027, -->, 02:48:40.012 and sometimes like with a 4378 02:48:40,012 --> 02:48:42.001 pandemic.

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You could declare a 4379 02:48:42,001, --> 02:48:44.023 local emergency, so that you can 4380 02:48:44,023 --> 02:48:48.018 access, local county, state and 4381 02:48:48,018 -->, 02:48:50.011 federal moneys.. You don't 4382 02:48:50,011 --> 02:48:52.019 declare local emergency., you 4383 02:48:52,019, --> 02:48:54.007, don't like the water district, 4384, 02:48:54,007, --> 02:48:56.003.

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We we wanted the governor 4385 02:48:56,003, --> 02:48:57.026, didn't declare a local 4386, 02:48:57,026 --> 02:48:58.000 emergency on the drought for 4387 02:48:58,000 --> 02:49:01.029 this county and we pressured 4388 02:49:01,029 -->, 02:49:02.026 him, and then once we got the 4389 02:49:02,026 --> 02:49:04.017 county to declare a drought, 4390 02:49:04,017, -->, 02:49:06.019 emergency. Then we could declare 4391 02:49:06,019 --> 02:49:08.011, a drought emergency.. So it's 4392, 02:49:08,011, --> 02:49:11.022, it's just it's usually to get 4393 02:49:11,022 --> 02:49:12.013, some of it.

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Sometimes it's to 4394, 02:49:12,013 --> 02:49:14.018 get the funds that flow behind 4395 02:49:14,018, -->, 02:49:18.024, . ok,! Thank you for the 4396 02:49:18,024 --> 02:49:19.009 conversation.. I want to go to 4397 02:49:19,009 --> 02:49:24.018 vice chair johnson.. Thank you. 4398 02:49:24,018, --> 02:49:25.003 and I do appreciate 4399 02:49:25,003, --> 02:49:27.015 commissioners with hard work on 4400 02:49:27,015. --≫ 02:49:28.027 this., I know I know this was a 4401 02:49:28,027 --> 02:49:30.006, really difficult topic that 4402 02:49:30,006 --> 02:49:32.014. We've really talked about in 4403 02:49:32,014 --> 02:49:34.026, our subcommittee..

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My concern is 4404 02:49:34,026 --> 02:49:35.008, the the potential of 4405 02:49:35,008, -->, 02:49:38.028 politicizing a disaster, and I 4406 02:49:38,028, --> 02:49:39.007. Think that's why I'm so 4407 02:49:39,007 --> 02:49:42.011, hesitant to to put my support. 4408 02:49:42,011 --> 02:49:44.003 in for this memo at the moment, 4409 02:49:44,003, -->, 02:49:45.020 and I'll leave it at that., 4410, 02:49:45,020, --> 02:49:47.022 thank you. thank you., 4411 02:49:47,022, --> 02:49:48.005, commissioner siegel and 4412 02:49:48,005 --> 02:49:56.024, commissioner, commissioner 4413 02:49:56,024 --> 02:49:58.003 siegel, your commute.

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If you're 4414, 02:49:58,003 --> 02:50:00.003 trying to speak to you, I 4415 02:50:00,003, -->, 02:50:02.026. Think last time. Commissioner 4416 02:50:02,026 --> 02:50:04.003 callendar mentioned that both 4417 02:50:04,003 --> 02:50:06.015, the water district in the city, 4418 02:50:06,015, --> 02:50:09.023, now follows some nimes and I 4419 02:50:09,023 --> 02:50:11.029 see as standard emergency 4420 02:50:11,029 --> 02:50:13.012 management systems, and that is 4421 02:50:13,012 --> 02:50:16.015, something that was not followed.

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4422 02:50:16,015 --> 02:50:18.003 and wasn't even in place by 4423 02:50:18,003 --> 02:50:21.006, the city at the time of the 4424 02:50:21,006 --> 02:50:24.026 prior city manager. When that 4425 02:50:24,026 --> 02:50:25.021 city manager did not call the 4426 02:50:25,021 --> 02:50:27.015 emergency., but those safeguards 4427, 02:50:27,015, --> 02:50:30.011 are now in place, and so we 4428 02:50:30,011 --> 02:50:32.006, didn't get any indication on 4429 02:50:32,006, -->, 02:50:36.001 that., that's taking 4430 02:50:36,001 --> 02:50:38.023 somebody's word for it.. We 4431 02:50:38,023, --> 02:50:39.004, actually have to make a 4432 02:50:39,004 --> 02:50:42.000 decision.

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On the spot. I mean I 4433 02:50:42,000 --> 02:50:43.003 feel like I'm learning, 4434 02:50:43,003 --> 02:50:46.026 everything about this tonight, 4435 02:50:46,026, --> 02:50:47.015, and have to sort of understand, 4436, 02:50:47,015, --> 02:50:49.007 it all and vote on it to not 4437 02:50:49,007 --> 02:50:51.019, just instantly., and I don't 4438 02:50:51,019 --> 02:50:53.018, think that that I mean it's 4439 02:50:53,018, --> 02:50:55.003, it's not responsible..

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We 4440 02:50:55,003 --> 02:50:57.026, actually should be getting some 4441 02:50:57,026 --> 02:50:58.018 education on this and being and 4442 02:50:58,018 --> 02:50:59.002 being able to answer the 4443 02:50:59,002 --> 02:51:02.021, question. second,, the next 4444 02:51:02,021 -->.

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02:51:05.022 thing is that michael jesco 4445 02:51:05,022 --> 02:51:07.000 of the oira group, was one of 4446 02:51:07,000 --> 02:51:10.005 our speakers and policing and 4447 02:51:10,005 --> 02:51:13.007 police oversight and the 4448 02:51:13,007 --> 02:51:16.020 city's response to the george 4449 02:51:16,020 --> 02:51:18.000 floyd protests in san jose last 4450 02:51:18,000 --> 02:51:21.020 year were so bad. The some of 4451 02:51:21,020 --> 02:51:22.014, the police officers.

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I mean we 4452 02:51:22,014 --> 02:51:24.025, all read the horrible things: 4453 02:51:24,025 --> 02:51:25.000, one person can no longer 4454 02:51:25,000 --> 02:51:27.004 have children because an 4455, 02:51:27,004, -->, 02:51:29.018 officer kind of was laughing at 4456. 02:51:29,018 --> 02:51:30.003 him. While he shot him in the 4457 02:51:30,003 --> 02:51:33.018 .. These things are now being 4458, 02:51:33,018, -->, 02:51:35.002 investigated.. So so the the the 4459 02:51:35,002 --> 02:51:37.008 police department came out with 4460 02:51:37,008 --> 02:51:39.018 their report on their 4461 02:51:39,018 --> 02:51:41.018 actions during that protest.

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4462, 02:51:41,018, -->, 02:51:43.019, and so the city has now hired a 4463 02:51:43,019 --> 02:51:45.025 consulting who was our very 4464 02:51:45,025 --> 02:51:47.006 speaker,, michael janez, go to 4465 02:51:47,006 --> 02:51:51.026, review, all of the police, 4466 02:51:51,026 --> 02:51:53.000 departments, incident reports, 4467 02:51:53,000, --> 02:51:55.002 during the george floyd 4468 02:51:55,002 -->, 02:51:57.000 protests.. We really this city 4469 02:51:57,000, --> 02:51:59.022 did not do well in 4470 02:51:59,022, --> 02:52:00.024, responding to the citizens and 4471 02:52:00,024 --> 02:52:03.023, so to now..

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It's very scary to 4472 02:52:03,023 --> 02:52:07.029 have the politicization of 4473 02:52:07,029 --> 02:52:09.027, calling something an emergency. 4474 02:52:09,027 --> 02:52:11.001 and you know, the public during 4475 02:52:11,001 --> 02:52:14.003. Last comment made made these 4476 02:52:14,003 --> 02:52:15.018 comments. We all made these 4477 02:52:15,018 --> 02:52:16.025 comments to have this 4478 02:52:16,025 --> 02:52:18.020 portion of it taken out and 4479 02:52:18,020 --> 02:52:20.004.

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Here we are, and it became very 4480 02:52:20,004 --> 02:52:22.017 clear at the beginning of 4481 02:52:22,017 --> 02:52:24.009 lindas presentation that not 4482 02:52:24,009 --> 02:52:26.022 only was it not taken. Out, it 4483 02:52:26,022 --> 02:52:27.003 was very much highlighted for 4484 02:52:27,003 --> 02:52:30.004, so that is in there and so that 4485 02:52:30,004 --> 02:52:33.001 is concerning. commissioner, 4486 02:52:33,001 --> 02:52:35.012. Did you have a factual, correct, 4487, 02:52:35,012, -->, 02:52:37.029 ? yeah, yeah., the name similar 4488 02:52:37,029 --> 02:52:39.004 things was incorrect.

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What the 4489 02:52:39,004 --> 02:52:41.022 city in the water district, 4490, 02:52:41,022, --> 02:52:42.018 didn't have in place, was a 4491 02:52:42,018, --> 02:52:45.027 joint emergency action plan and 4492 02:52:45,027 --> 02:52:46.013 at mit. One of my first things: 4493 02:52:46,013 --> 02:52:48.016 that I talked about was that 4494 02:52:48,016 --> 02:52:50.009. There are seven local emergency, 4495, 02:52:50,009, --> 02:52:52.016 plans, and one of them is the 4496 02:52:52,016 --> 02:52:53.026, one that was put together: 4497 02:52:53,026 --> 02:52:54.010 between the city and the water 4498 02:52:54,010 --> 02:52:56.007 district.

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With regard to a joint 4499, 02:52:56,007 --> 02:52:58.021 emergency action plan that is 4500 02:52:58,021 --> 02:52:59.000 now in effect., we now have it 4501 02:52:59,000 --> 02:53:02.006, in we're hoping to get all 15 4502 02:53:02,006 --> 02:53:04.000 cities. we're on our way and 4503 02:53:04,000 --> 02:53:07.024. That's so that every everybody 4504 02:53:07,024 --> 02:53:07.011, knows what they're supposed 4505 02:53:07,011 --> 02:53:09.001 to do in an emergency. who 4506 02:53:09,001 --> 02:53:12.009 calls what who does what, when 4507 02:53:12,009 --> 02:53:13.022? Is it what a district 4508 02:53:13,022 --> 02:53:14.009 responsibility.?

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When is it the 4509 02:53:14,009 --> 02:53:16.012 city's response ability so 4510 02:53:16,012 --> 02:53:18.007? That's not what was in effect, 4511 02:53:18,007, -->, 02:53:20.019, nimes and simms's operated both 4512 02:53:20,019 --> 02:53:21.011 at the city and at the water 4513 02:53:21,011 -->, 02:53:24.024 district., and so I just want to 4514 02:53:24,024 --> 02:53:27.006 make that that correction. 4515 02:53:27,006 --> 02:53:30.028 thank you, commissioner de 4516 02:53:30,028 --> 02:53:31.015 yeah.. This is a question from 4517 02:53:31,015 -->, 02:53:33.004 mark.. Could you I sense.

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The 4518 02:53:33,004 --> 02:53:38.015 commission is kind of reluctant 4519 02:53:38,015 --> 02:53:40.029 on the I guess: abuse of power, 4520 02:53:40,029, -->, 02:53:41.003, potential abuse of power issue, 4521 02:53:41,003, --> 02:53:43.010, and the difference between 4522 02:53:43,010, -->, 02:53:45.013, natural disasters- and I guess 4523 02:53:45,013, -->, 02:53:48.002 civil unrest., and could you 4524 02:53:48,002 --> 02:53:50.028 explain was how the law 4525 02:53:50,028, --> 02:53:53.003 constrains the future mayor.

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4526 02:53:53,003, --> 02:53:56.001 would use such a power from 4527 02:53:56,001, -->, 02:53:58.028 being completely subjective in 4528 02:53:58,028, --> 02:54:00.027, his or her assessment of what 4529 02:54:00,027 --> 02:54:01.014 emergency is?, because even 4530 02:54:01,014 --> 02:54:03.026, though the unicode is not 4531. 02:54:03,026 --> 02:54:05.001 expressly spell it. Out, there, 4532 02:54:05,001, --> 02:54:07.018 are a gap. Filler., there's 4533 02:54:07,018, -->, 02:54:08.003 precedent, there state statutes, 4534, 02:54:08,003, -->, 02:54:10.017 and so forth. we're bound by 4535, 02:54:10,017, -->, 02:54:11.024 other things, and it's just you 4536 02:54:11,024, --> 02:54:13.028 can't just say.

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Oh, I have a 4537 02:54:13,028 --> 02:54:14.004 paper cut,, there's emergency. 4538 02:54:14,004 --> 02:54:17.029. We have to do it.. There is 4539 02:54:17,029 --> 02:54:18.028, objective standard that must be 4540, 02:54:18,028 --> 02:54:20.026 adhered to. yeah,, that's 4541, 02:54:20,026, --> 02:54:21.002, something that I'd have to look 4542 02:54:21,002, -->, 02:54:24.016, into. emergency services is not 4543 02:54:24,016 --> 02:54:26.004, my area. one check, though 4544 02:54:26,004, --> 02:54:28.000, that's on even the city manager, 4545 02:54:28,000, --> 02:54:30.018 is using.

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This power is that 4546 02:54:30,018 --> 02:54:31.023 everything has to be ratified: 4547, 02:54:31,023, --> 02:54:33.012 by the city council.- and so my 4548 02:54:33,012 --> 02:54:34.007, understanding of the 4549 02:54:34,007 --> 02:54:36.024 recommendation is that again 4550 02:54:36,024 --> 02:54:37.023. The ratification would need to 4551 02:54:37,023 --> 02:54:40.005 be done by the city. Council.- 4552 02:54:40,005, --> 02:54:42.026, but generally speaking, yes,, I 4553 02:54:42,026 --> 02:54:43.014 mean when you have an emergency 4554 02:54:43,014 --> 02:54:46.014.

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You have a disaster, but things 4555, 02:54:46,014, --> 02:54:48.002 are evolving., something like 4556 02:54:48,002 --> 02:54:50.017 ransomware could be considered. 4557 02:54:50,017 --> 02:54:51.002 an emergency as some 4558 02:54:51,002 --> 02:54:54.019 municipalities have dealt with 4559 02:54:54,019 --> 02:54:56.008, so that flexibility is there as 4560 02:54:56,008, --> 02:54:58.006, new emergencies and situations, 4561, 02:54:58,006, -->, 02:55:00.011 arise., but one thing that has 4562 02:55:00,011 --> 02:55:01.022 also been mentioned as well- is 4563 02:55:01,022, --> 02:55:02.014 that a lot of the emergencies 4564 02:55:02,014 --> 02:55:04.000 are top down..

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The pandemic is a 4565 02:55:04,000 --> 02:55:06.000 good example that it comes from 4566, 02:55:06,000, -->, 02:55:10.012, federal, national and then at 4567, 02:55:10,012, -->, 02:55:11.029, the state level, and it is to 4568 02:55:11,029 --> 02:55:13.027 access funds, fema funds and 4569 02:55:13,027 --> 02:55:14.001 things like that that we have 4570 02:55:14,001 --> 02:55:16.003 to declare an emergency in 4571 02:55:16,003, --> 02:55:18.011 order to access those type 4572 02:55:18,011 --> 02:55:19.008 of but it is something I'll 4573 02:55:19,008 --> 02:55:22.006 have to look into further.

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If 4574 02:55:22,006, --> 02:55:24.012, the commission wants to explore 4575 02:55:24,012 --> 02:55:26.004 this this question further. but 4576 02:55:26,004, --> 02:55:28.017.

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Just as the attorney for us 4577 02:55:28,017, --> 02:55:30.022, I mean we have two commuter 4578 02:55:30,022 -->, 02:55:31.017 trains, who've gone through law, 4579, 02:55:31,017, -->, 02:55:33.018, school and others to like just 4580 02:55:33,018 --> 02:55:35.007 generally, there's there's 4581 02:55:35,007 --> 02:55:37.024 there's a gap that gap is not 4582, 02:55:37,024, -->, 02:55:37.029, the right word.; it's not a 4583 02:55:37,029 --> 02:55:39.019 contract, but there's precedent, 4584, 02:55:39,019, -->, 02:55:40.010 and there's things that we are 4585 02:55:40,010 --> 02:55:42.001 bound by, even though I guess, 4586 02:55:42,001, --> 02:55:44.026.

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What I'm saying is as a city we 4587 02:55:44,026 --> 02:55:45.011. The definition of emergency is 4588 02:55:45,011, --> 02:55:48.010, not really. Really there doesn't 4589 02:55:48,010 --> 02:55:49.014 necessarily have to be defined. 4590 02:55:49,014 --> 02:55:50.008 in the muni code, but there are 4591 02:55:50,008 --> 02:55:52.021 standards in place that in a 4592, 02:55:52,021 --> 02:55:53.009 potential lawsuit where you 4593 02:55:53,009 --> 02:55:56.001 abuse your power.

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There is an 4594 02:55:56,001, --> 02:55:58.003 objective reference point for 4595 02:55:58,003 --> 02:55:59.013 us to decide what was 4596 02:55:59,013 --> 02:56:01.016, reasonable, a reasonable mayor's 4597 02:56:01,016 --> 02:56:03.003 action. right, right., I mean if 4598 02:56:03,003, --> 02:56:05.022, the city were sued on some sort: 4599 02:56:05,022, --> 02:56:07.028, of course, of action for 4600, 02:56:07,028, -->, 02:56:08.021, dangerous condition or some 4601 02:56:08,021 --> 02:56:10.008 action that it that it took as 4602 02:56:10,008, --> 02:56:12.021.

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A rule of reason would apply: 4603, 02:56:12,021, -->, 02:56:13.022 and and looking at what an 4604 02:56:13,022 --> 02:56:15.023 emergency is,. There is some 4605 02:56:15,023 --> 02:56:18.018, objective objectivity to it. a 4606 02:56:18,018 --> 02:56:20.023 flood earthquake,, natural 4607, 02:56:20,023 -->, 02:56:22.001 disaster,. Even a pandemic 4608 02:56:22,001 --> 02:56:24.023 things like force majeure, 4609 02:56:24,023, --> 02:56:25.019 clauses in contracts will 4610 02:56:25,019 --> 02:56:29.024 define what an emergency is and 4611 02:56:29,024 --> 02:56:30.015 could be applicable in a 4612 02:56:30,015 --> 02:56:32.023 situation like that. as I 4613 02:56:32,023 --> 02:56:33.004 mentioned,.

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I'm not 100 hundred 4614 02:56:33,004 -->, 02:56:35.015 percent, familiar with all of 4615 02:56:35,015 --> 02:56:36.007. The case law dealing with 4616 02:56:36,007 --> 02:56:39.018 emergencies, but certainly a 4617, 02:56:39,018, --> 02:56:40.007 rule of reason, would apply in 4618 02:56:40,007 --> 02:56:43.013 evaluating whether or not a 4619 02:56:43,013 --> 02:56:45.020 mayor city manager, judgment was 4620, 02:56:45,020, --> 02:56:47.010, appropriate in that situation. 4621 02:56:47,010, --> 02:56:49.025, so that there's not an abuse of 4622 02:56:49,025 --> 02:56:54.005, power., thanks, mark., all right. 4623, 02:56:54,005, --> 02:57:04.015. Thank you, everyone. cherif, 4624, 02:57:04,015, --> 02:57:07.009 on.

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Thank you, commissioners for 4625 02:57:07,009, --> 02:57:10.004, your conversation.. We could go 4626, 02:57:10,004, --> 02:57:12.010 to public comment at this time. 4627 02:57:12,010 --> 02:57:14.005, but I wanted to take a motion: 4628 02:57:14,005, -->, 02:57:17.015 first.. The question I have is 4629 02:57:17,015 --> 02:57:19.008, though, to my question to the 4630 02:57:19,008 --> 02:57:23.023 subcommittee, is: um are you 4631 02:57:23,023 --> 02:57:24.013, proposing that we have 4632, 02:57:24,013 --> 02:57:27.029 additional speakers, because 4633 02:57:27,029, --> 02:57:28.025 you've had requests for that? 4634 02:57:28,025, --> 02:57:29.021?

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It doesn't mean you have to do 4635 02:57:29,021, -->, 02:57:32.020 it., so I see it as a negative 4636 02:57:32,020 --> 02:57:35.001 from the subcommittee. and so 4637 02:57:35,001 --> 02:57:37.026.

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One of the things is we can 4638 02:57:37,026 --> 02:57:38.003, look at when we look at the 4639 02:57:38,003 --> 02:57:41.020 work plan later tonight you can 4640 02:57:41,020 --> 02:57:43.006, see where our speakers are 4641, 02:57:43,006, -->, 02:57:45.014 lined up and what our voting 4642 02:57:45,014 --> 02:57:46.022 looks like in the next couple: 4643 02:57:46,022, --> 02:57:49.005 of weeks., so the commissioner 4644 02:57:49,005, --> 02:57:53.015, would have to add additional 4645 02:57:53,015 --> 02:57:54.013 time if they were going to add 4646 02:57:54,013 --> 02:57:56.019, another speaker for that 4647 02:57:56,019, -->, 02:57:58.025, further education..

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But this 4648 02:57:58,025 --> 02:57:59.017 subcommittee is saying that 4649 02:57:59,017 --> 02:58:01.005 they they're ready to make 4650 02:58:01,005 --> 02:58:04.010 their recommendation.. So unless 4651 02:58:04,010 --> 02:58:05.009, the commission really got to do. 4652, 02:58:05,009, --> 02:58:07.023 something different later: 4653 02:58:07,023 -->, 02:58:09.026 tonight,. Then the commission 4654 02:58:09,026 --> 02:58:10.027. Then I would say we move 4655 02:58:10,027 --> 02:58:12.029 forward.. This is a provisional 4656, 02:58:12,029 --> 02:58:14.000 vote.. This is not a final vote. 4657 02:58:14,000 --> 02:58:17.019.

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So if you want to continue this 4658 02:58:17,019 --> 02:58:18.023 conversation,, even if you want 4659 02:58:18,023 --> 02:58:21.004, to make a different, amend the 4660 02:58:21,004 --> 02:58:24.007 proposal that is before us, you 4661 02:58:24,007 --> 02:58:25.015 could do that.. Commissioner 4662 02:58:25,015 -->, 02:58:28.018 brosco is perfect..

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I think I 4663 02:58:28,018 --> 02:58:29.022, think you answered it in this 4664 02:58:29,022, --> 02:58:30.002 last part, but for further 4665 02:58:30,002 --> 02:58:33.024 clarification,, although that we 4666 02:58:33,024 --> 02:58:34.004, may not have time at at a 4667 02:58:34,004 --> 02:58:36.012 general meeting with all 4668 02:58:36,012 --> 02:58:37.009 commissioners,. Can the 4669 02:58:37,009 --> 02:58:40.017 subcommittee, invite speakers to 4670 02:58:40,017 --> 02:58:44.004, the subcommittee to inform 4671 02:58:44,004 --> 02:58:47.006, commissioner lizotte future 4672 02:58:47,006 --> 02:58:49.015 recommendation or or current 4673 02:58:49,015 --> 02:58:50.025 possible adjustments in the 4674 02:58:50,025 --> 02:58:52.023, future?

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yes,, the subcommittee 4675 02:58:52,023, --> 02:58:54.013 could invite speakers and then 4676 02:58:54,013 --> 02:58:56.015. That could be discussed at the 4677 02:58:56,015 --> 02:58:59.011 at our full discussion for it 4678 02:58:59,011, --> 02:59:01.006 in public. that would be 4679, 02:59:01,006, --> 02:59:03.029, another possibility. mr. 4680 02:59:03,029, -->, 02:59:06.016 somewhere and just a minor 4681 02:59:06,016 --> 02:59:09.024 point of clarification. um,.

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If 4682 02:59:09,024, --> 02:59:10.016, I remember correctly, the 4683 02:59:10,016 --> 02:59:12.005 subcommittee hasn't actually 4684 02:59:12,005 --> 02:59:15.007 taken a position on on the 4685 02:59:15,007 --> 02:59:16.015 issue of whether we should have 4686 02:59:16,015, --> 02:59:18.028 additional speakers.

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So we I 4687 02:59:18,028 --> 02:59:20.024, think we're hearing from the 4688 02:59:20,024 --> 02:59:22.008 the author of the memo, which I 4689 02:59:22,008 --> 02:59:24.000 appreciate, but it is actually 4690 02:59:24,000 --> 02:59:26.023, an additional subcommittee 4691 02:59:26,023, --> 02:59:27.023 member commissioner winterson's 4692 02:59:27,023 --> 02:59:28.022, also on the governance, 4693 02:59:28,022, -->, 02:59:29.006 subcommittee.. So just out of 4694 02:59:29,006 --> 02:59:32.029 clarification that thank you., 4695, 02:59:32,029, --> 02:59:37.025, there's not a position like 4696 02:59:37,025, -->, 02:59:41.028, christopher prentiss, at this 4697 02:59:41,028 --> 02:59:44.007 point.. What are our options??

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I 4698 02:59:44,007 --> 02:59:49.002 mean your options are to 4699 02:59:49,002 --> 02:59:51.027. If we get a motion to adopt the 4700 02:59:51,027 --> 02:59:52.009 recommendation as a provisional 4701, 02:59:52,009 --> 02:59:54.028 vote and that would move 4702 02:59:54,028 --> 02:59:57.000 forward. If you are voting, if we 4703 02:59:57,000 --> 03:00:00.008 have a motion to move this 4704 03:00:00,008 --> 03:00:02.026 forward provisionally, and that 4705 03:00:02,026 --> 03:00:04.005 dies by like a vote in a 4706 03:00:04,005 --> 03:00:06.024 negative vote,, then we wouldn't 4707 03:00:06,024 --> 03:00:07.010, move it forward..

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If there's an 4708 03:00:07,010 --> 03:00:10.013 additional motion like we just 4709 03:00:10,013 --> 03:00:12.006, did on the last item, that 4710 03:00:12,006 --> 03:00:14.018 could be another possibility. 4711 03:00:14,018, --> 03:00:16.023. The subcommittee could ask for 4712 03:00:16,023 --> 03:00:19.009 speakers to expert that they 4713 03:00:19,009, --> 03:00:22.011, feel can answer their questions. 4714 03:00:22,011, --> 03:00:24.003 as well, that that they could go 4715, 03:00:24,003, --> 03:00:26.022 to the subcommittee. and when 4716 03:00:26,022 --> 03:00:27.002 we get to the workplan later 4717 03:00:27,002 -->, 03:00:30.021 tonight,.

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If you said, we need an 4718, 03:00:30,021, --> 03:00:31.019 additional speaker on this 4719 03:00:31,019 --> 03:00:33.021 item,, then it'll have to be an 4720 03:00:33,021 --> 03:00:34.020, additional time that the 4721 03:00:34,020 --> 03:00:36.014 commission has to agree to more 4722 03:00:36,014 --> 03:00:37.028 time, because you're going to 4723 03:00:37,028 --> 03:00:38.029 see that the commission's 4724 03:00:38,029 --> 03:00:40.009 calendar to get to all the 4725 03:00:40,009 --> 03:00:42.024 policing issues in the next 4726 03:00:42,024 --> 03:00:44.012, subcommittee's, recommendations., 4727, 03:00:44,012, --> 03:00:46.008. The calendar is pretty tight, so 4728 03:00:46,008, --> 03:00:49.003.

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I don't really see an opening 4729 03:00:49,003 --> 03:00:51.022. Unless the commission decides 4730 03:00:51,022 --> 03:00:51.002, they want to have more 4731 03:00:51,002 --> 03:00:54.002 meetings.. I would not see that 4732 03:00:54,002 --> 03:00:55.018 there's much room for 4733 03:00:55,018 --> 03:00:56.019 additional speakers., so my 4734 03:00:56,019 --> 03:00:59.007 recommendation is that the 4735 03:00:59,007 --> 03:01:01.003 subcommittee, hear whatever 4736 03:01:01,003 --> 03:01:04.019 speaker. They need for to answer 4737 03:01:04,019 --> 03:01:05.027, the questions that have arisen, 4738, 03:01:05,027, --> 03:01:06.009, so that your recommendation, 4739 03:01:06,009 --> 03:01:09.000, reflects those.

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If this motion 4740 03:01:09,000 --> 03:01:11.010 moves forward to continue this 4741 03:01:11,010 --> 03:01:17.015 conversation., I said just to 4742 03:01:17,015 --> 03:01:22.026, just to be clear. Just just 4743 03:01:22,026 --> 03:01:26.006 to be clear. The option- ok, 4744 03:01:26,006 -->, 03:01:30.015 you're, saying chair for you're 4745, 03:01:30,015, --> 03:01:33.000, saying that at this point it 4746 03:01:33,000, --> 03:01:35.004, doesn't look like there enough 4747 03:01:35,004 --> 03:01:37.028 time for the full commission to 4748 03:01:37,028 --> 03:01:40.013, hear a speaker on this and and 4749 03:01:40,013 --> 03:01:42.005.

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I would recommend that that 4750 03:01:42,005 --> 03:01:45.015 speaker be the director of the 4751 03:01:45,015 --> 03:01:47.012 office of emergency services, 4752 03:01:47,012, --> 03:01:52.029, and but that if we wanted to 4753 03:01:52,029 --> 03:01:53.026, the alternative could be that 4754 03:01:53,026 --> 03:01:57.011. Our subcommittee hears that so 4755 03:01:57,011 --> 03:02:00.009 and in order to accomplish 4756 03:02:00,009 --> 03:02:02.007 that,, the subcommittee at least 4757 03:02:02,007 --> 03:02:04.012 be able to work on it further 4758 03:02:04,012 --> 03:02:05.004 and become more informed.. I 4759 03:02:05,004 --> 03:02:07.014 mean this is.

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I know this a lot 4760 03:02:07,014 --> 03:02:09.022 of emotion around this or maybe 4761 03:02:09,022 --> 03:02:10.017. I've been part of the emotional 4762 03:02:10,017 --> 03:02:12.023 part of it, but I think we 4763 03:02:12,023 --> 03:02:13.007 should know that this is a very 4764 03:02:13,007, --> 03:02:16.000 serious decision and when we 4765 03:02:16,000 --> 03:02:18.014 have an emergency.

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We want to 4766 03:02:18,014 --> 03:02:19.027 know that we did our due 4767 03:02:19,027 --> 03:02:20.001 diligence and we did our best 4768 03:02:20,001 --> 03:02:24.002 to make the right decision and 4769 03:02:24,002 --> 03:02:28.028, and so for that reason I think 4770 03:02:28,028 --> 03:02:30.019 the alternative chaffer that 4771 03:02:30,019 --> 03:02:32.025 you're, presenting that we could 4772 03:02:32,025 --> 03:02:33.019, do further work in our 4773 03:02:33,019 --> 03:02:38.004 subcommittee.

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I would like to 4774 03:02:38,004 --> 03:02:41.026 to ask that we do that that our 4775 03:02:41,026 --> 03:02:43.003 subcamp, who most of us are here 4776 03:02:43,003, --> 03:02:48.022 today take that option rather 4777 03:02:48,022 --> 03:02:50.022 than taking the vote right now, 4778 03:02:50,022, --> 03:02:51.017. You would still need to take 4779, 03:02:51,017, --> 03:02:52.003. The vote because the 4780 03:02:52,003 --> 03:02:54.027 provisional vote, but we invest 4781 03:02:54,027 --> 03:02:55.001 in our procedures would move us 4782, 03:02:55,001, --> 03:02:58.014 to that.. You would continue 4783 03:02:58,014 --> 03:02:59.017 this conversation.

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If the vote 4784 03:02:59,017 --> 03:03:01.018 was to not move this forward on 4785 03:03:01,018 --> 03:03:04.015, a provisional vote,, then you 4786, 03:03:04,015, --> 03:03:06.018, wouldn't need to the issue.

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4787 03:03:06,018 --> 03:03:08.015 would die here because it's not 4788 03:03:08,015 --> 03:03:09.018 being recommended to move 4789 03:03:09,018 -->, 03:03:11.026 forward., so a provisional vote, 4790 03:03:11,026, --> 03:03:13.003, yes, provisional vote brings it 4791, 03:03:13,003 --> 03:03:15.022 back to the subcommittee just 4792 03:03:15,022 --> 03:03:15.013, like all the other 4793 03:03:15,013 --> 03:03:17.017 recommendations and the 4794 03:03:17,017 --> 03:03:19.000 subcommittee can have 4795 03:03:19,000 --> 03:03:21.027 additional speakers.

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Do 4796 03:03:21,027 --> 03:03:22.021 additional research and make 4797 03:03:22,021 --> 03:03:23.002 changes to their 4798 03:03:23,002 --> 03:03:25.027 recommendations which they will 4799 03:03:25,027 --> 03:03:26.004 bring forward in the public 4800 03:03:26,004 --> 03:03:29.012 hearing and we'll also bring 4801 03:03:29,012 --> 03:03:31.024 forward for the final vote on 4802 03:03:31,024 --> 03:03:32.027.

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Their final recommendation 4803 03:03:32,027 --> 03:03:33.027, which the commission would have 4804 03:03:33,027 --> 03:03:35.006, another conversation,, another 4805 03:03:35,006 --> 03:03:37.005 ability to have discussion, 4806, 03:03:37,005, --> 03:03:39.019 around with any changes or 4807 03:03:39,019 --> 03:03:40.009 additions to the to the 4808 03:03:40,009 -->, 03:03:44.020, recommendations. and I'll 4809 03:03:44,020 --> 03:03:45.022 decide this is I see this is 4810 03:03:45,022 --> 03:03:46.001, somewhat analogous to the 4811 03:03:46,001 --> 03:03:48.006 request to understand the 4812 03:03:48,006 --> 03:03:50.006 redistricting commission's role, 4813 03:03:50,006 --> 03:03:53.003.

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As far as the recommendation to 4814 03:03:53,003 --> 03:03:54.004 expand the size of the 4815 03:03:54,004 --> 03:03:55.007 potentially expand the size of 4816 03:03:55,007, --> 03:03:58.007. The council.- we are interested 4817, 03:03:58,007 --> 03:04:00.029 in following a similar 4818 03:04:00,029 --> 03:04:01.026 procedure for for all of these 4819 03:04:01,026 --> 03:04:04.027 recommendation ins and that's 4820, 03:04:04,027 --> 03:04:06.026. Why we're here.?

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This is a 4821 03:04:06,026 --> 03:04:07.000 point where there can be a 4822, 03:04:07,000, --> 03:04:10.029 motion to to move this forward, 4823 03:04:10,029 --> 03:04:11.020, a provisional motion for 4824 03:04:11,020, -->, 03:04:13.005, provisional vote and this 4825 03:04:13,005 --> 03:04:15.025. Would come back on october, 18th 4826 03:04:15,025 --> 03:04:16.018, which would give a subcommittee 4827 03:04:16,018 -->, 03:04:19.008 time to to further research and 4828 03:04:19,008 --> 03:04:21.014 bring forth the revisions that 4829 03:04:21,014 --> 03:04:23.004 they see fit..

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So then I could 4830 03:04:23,004 --> 03:04:29.024 make a motion that we not that 4831 03:04:29,024 --> 03:04:33.003. We not take a provisional vote. 4832 03:04:33,003 --> 03:04:38.008 that the that we vote no or so 4833 03:04:38,008 --> 03:04:41.028. We is. could that be motion: 4834 03:04:41,028, --> 03:04:43.019 until we do further research, 4835, 03:04:43,019, -->, 03:04:45.024 and just procedurally 4836 03:04:45,024 --> 03:04:46.016, because we've been doing this 4837 03:04:46,016 --> 03:04:48.006 on all the others. I'd like to 4838 03:04:48,006 --> 03:04:50.003 make I'd like to make sure that 4839 03:04:50,003 --> 03:04:52.004.

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We continue to follow the same 4840 03:04:52,004, -->, 03:04:53.002 procedure on all 4841 03:04:53,002, -->, 03:04:55.017 recommendations and if an 4842, 03:04:55,017 --> 03:04:57.024 individual commissioner, as you 4843 03:04:57,024 --> 03:04:58.007, have already stated, many 4844 03:04:58,007 --> 03:05:00.009 commissioners have had 4845 03:05:00,009 --> 03:05:01.016 disagreements, but different 4846 03:05:01,016 --> 03:05:03.007 recommendations and votes to 4847 03:05:03,007 --> 03:05:06.003 move it forward with a lot of 4848 03:05:06,003, --> 03:05:08.018 provisos about things that are 4849, 03:05:08,018 --> 03:05:10.025 coming back,.

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I would hope we 4850 03:05:10,025 --> 03:05:11.003 could do the same thing in this 4851 03:05:11,003, --> 03:05:14.017 one as well., so I'm trying not 4852 03:05:14,017 --> 03:05:15.011 to treat different 4853 03:05:15,011 --> 03:05:18.023 recommendations, differently., so 4854, 03:05:18,023, --> 03:05:19.006. What I'd like to do is take a 4855, 03:05:19,006, --> 03:05:24.002 motion to move this forward. 4856 03:05:24,002 --> 03:05:26.006. Having heard the discussion, 4857 03:05:26,006 --> 03:05:28.024. Are you I'd like to get a 4858, 03:05:28,024 --> 03:05:29.022 motion that that moves?

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The 4859, 03:05:29,022 --> 03:05:30.004 recommendation of the 4860 03:05:30,004 --> 03:05:33.007 subcommittee forward? And if 4861 03:05:33,007 --> 03:05:36.009, that motion dies, then then 4862 03:05:36,009 --> 03:05:37.014, really what you're saying is 4863 03:05:37,014, --> 03:05:38.025. You don't want to move forward. 4864 03:05:38,025, --> 03:05:39.028. Unless there's a second motion: 4865 03:05:39,028, -->, 03:05:45.003 ., commissioner mondli, 4866, 03:05:45,003, --> 03:05:47.009, commissioner brosco had his 4867 03:05:47,009 --> 03:05:49.021 hand up., I'm sorry, but it's 4868 03:05:49,021 --> 03:05:51.023 ok.. I can already I can. I can 4869 03:05:51,023 --> 03:05:53.020 follow commissioner mondli ok.

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4870 03:05:53,020 --> 03:05:55.015 thank you.. Well, I would like 4871 03:05:55,015 --> 03:05:59.028 to move to move this 4872 03:05:59,028 --> 03:06:01.022 provisional vote. Forward. thank 4873, 03:06:01,022 -->, 03:06:03.021 you.. Is there a second to that 4874 03:06:03,021 --> 03:06:05.024? Second, commissioner: marshman 4875 03:06:05,024 --> 03:06:08.007 seconds that mr barroso? Ok, 4876, 03:06:08,007, --> 03:06:11.015 thank you.. If, if we do go the 4877 03:06:11,015 --> 03:06:12.029 route after after seeing the 4878 03:06:12,029 --> 03:06:13.024 work plan and that we will 4879 03:06:13,024 --> 03:06:16.028 further discuss in in our 4880 03:06:16,028 --> 03:06:18.000 subcommittee.

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I know the 4881 03:06:18,000 --> 03:06:21.005 subcommittee meetings are 4882, 03:06:21,005 -->, 03:06:23.018 recorded.. Would it be possible 4883, 03:06:23,018, --> 03:06:25.019, that we share the recording, 4884 03:06:25,019 --> 03:06:26.026 with the whole commission, 4885 03:06:26,026, --> 03:06:27.014, before the discussion and if 4886 03:06:27,014 --> 03:06:31.025, not because of brown act issues 4887 03:06:31,025, --> 03:06:33.008 after we discussed at a at a 4888, 03:06:33,008, -->, 03:06:35.002, whole group meeting?

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Would the 4889 03:06:35,002 --> 03:06:37.022 recording be allowed to be 4890 03:06:37,022 --> 03:06:38.002 shared with the whole 4891 03:06:38,002, -->, 03:06:41.006, commission and or the public at 4892 03:06:41,006 --> 03:06:42.025? That point just so they can 4893 03:06:42,025 -->, 03:06:44.029 kind of see how our experts 4894 03:06:44,029 --> 03:06:46.023, were able to answer? I'm going 4895 03:06:46,023 --> 03:06:49.019 to turn to the city, attorney. 4896 03:06:49,019 --> 03:06:50.021. Could you mind repeating the 4897 03:06:50,021 --> 03:06:52.015 question?

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The subcommittees are 4898 03:06:52,015, --> 03:06:54.022 being recorded, and you want you 4899 03:06:54,022 --> 03:06:55.006 want to view the recording, 4900 03:06:55,006 --> 03:06:59.018 before the the hearing before 4901 03:06:59,018 --> 03:07:01.020, the meeting.. So in the 4902 03:07:01,020 --> 03:07:03.015 question of the the emergency 4903 03:07:03,015 --> 03:07:05.007 power memo from commissioner 4904 03:07:05,007 --> 03:07:08.024 lizotte,.

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If we don't find time, 4905, 03:07:08,024, --> 03:07:09.020 in the work plan to have 4906 03:07:09,020, -->, 03:07:13.021 experts and people in the field, 4907 03:07:13,021, --> 03:07:14.022, just people to talk about 4908, 03:07:14,022, -->, 03:07:17.006, emergency powers at the whole 4909 03:07:17,006, -->, 03:07:20.022, commission level, but rather at 4910, 03:07:20,022 --> 03:07:22.025, the subcommittee level,.

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I know 4911 03:07:22,025 --> 03:07:24.021, that our meetings are recorded, 4912, 03:07:24,021, --> 03:07:27.010 and my question is: could that 4913, 03:07:27,010, --> 03:07:29.025 recording be shared with all 4914 03:07:29,025 --> 03:07:31.005 commissioners before the whole 4915 03:07:31,005 --> 03:07:33.026 group meeting and if not 4916 03:07:33,026 --> 03:07:36.006 because of brown act, issues, 4917, 03:07:36,006, --> 03:07:38.016?

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Would it be possible to share 4918 03:07:38,016 --> 03:07:39.001 it after the whole group, 4919 03:07:39,001, --> 03:07:41.005 discussion once we've all had a 4920 03:07:41,005 --> 03:07:43.017 chance to discuss it and or the 4921 03:07:43,017 --> 03:07:45.009 public at that point? yeah., 4922, 03:07:45,009, --> 03:07:47.015.

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So before the meeting I would 4923 03:07:47,015 --> 03:07:50.003 advise no, unless it's just a 4924 03:07:50,003 --> 03:07:53.012 pure presentation from the from 4925 03:07:53,012 --> 03:07:55.012, the director without any 4926 03:07:55,012 --> 03:07:57.028 comment from the commissioners 4927 03:07:57,028 --> 03:07:58.001 on the subcommittee after the 4928 03:07:58,001 --> 03:08:00.027 meeting after action has been 4929 03:08:00,027 --> 03:08:04.004, taken by the by the commission, 4930 03:08:04,004, --> 03:08:06.019.

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Assuming that the action is 4931, 03:08:06,019 --> 03:08:07.024, going to come back to the 4932 03:08:07,024 --> 03:08:09.015 commission, then you could view 4933, 03:08:09,015 -->, 03:08:11.022 it.. It would be a public record 4934 03:08:11,022 --> 03:08:12.014. Under those circumstances, as 4935 03:08:12,014 --> 03:08:15.022 well.. It could also be aired: 4936, 03:08:15,022, --> 03:08:16.011. During the meeting during a 4937 03:08:16,011 --> 03:08:19.021 public notice, meeting and 4938 03:08:19,021 --> 03:08:20.000, everybody could could watch it. 4939 03:08:20,000, --> 03:08:22.019 under those circumstances as 4940 03:08:22,019, -->, 03:08:25.016, well.

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and and as a follow up, 4941, 03:08:25,016, --> 03:08:27.025. Thank you for clarifying, so 4942 03:08:27,025 --> 03:08:28.001. Perhaps that our subcommittee 4943 03:08:28,001 --> 03:08:30.024 level. I know a hold meetings: 4944 03:08:30,024, -->, 03:08:32.005 recorded, but again, if it 4945 03:08:32,005 --> 03:08:34.008 doesn't work out for the for 4946 03:08:34,008 --> 03:08:36.027, the general plan for everybody, 4947 03:08:36,027, --> 03:08:37.018 for the general work plan, but 4948 03:08:37,018, --> 03:08:39.005. We do have it at the work at 4949, 03:08:39,005, --> 03:08:41.007, the subcommittee level.

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Would we 4950 03:08:41,007 --> 03:08:44.015, be able to only show the 4951 03:08:44,015 --> 03:08:46.008 presentation, part of the 4952 03:08:46,008 --> 03:08:48.023 presentation, and then, when the 4953 03:08:48,023 --> 03:08:49.001 subcommittee gets into thoughts, 4954, 03:08:49,001, -->, 03:08:51.018 and opinions and questions, 4955 03:08:51,018 --> 03:08:54.027 save that for later reveal, then 4956 03:08:54,027, --> 03:08:55.028. That way at least all 4957 03:08:55,028 --> 03:08:56.011 commissioners saw the 4958 03:08:56,011 --> 03:08:59.017 presentation. yeah,.

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If there's 4959, 03:08:59,017 --> 03:09:00.025 a presentation, that's being 4960, 03:09:00,025 --> 03:09:02.016, provided that's something that 4961 03:09:02,016 --> 03:09:06.027 could be disseminated., but any 4962, 03:09:06,027 --> 03:09:07.010 discussion and deliberation. 4963 03:09:07,010 --> 03:09:09.011 among the members of the 4964 03:09:09,011 --> 03:09:12.014 subcommittee in that meeting 4965 03:09:12,014 --> 03:09:14.006 should not be shared because 4966 03:09:14,006 --> 03:09:17.005 the serial meeting concerns if 4967 03:09:17,005, --> 03:09:19.006 there's a presentation that 4968 03:09:19,006 --> 03:09:20.016. Everybody wants to watch as 4969 03:09:20,016 --> 03:09:21.023.

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Well, we could make it publicly 4970 03:09:21,023 --> 03:09:24.027, available to access on the 4971, 03:09:24,027 --> 03:09:25.006 city's website, and then people 4972, 03:09:25,006, --> 03:09:27.027 could view it from there.: 4973, 03:09:27,027, -->, 03:09:29.018 perfect.. Thank you, 4974 03:09:29,018, --> 03:09:32.029, commissioners to go. thank you., 4975 03:09:32,029, --> 03:09:33.011. I don't think the 4976 03:09:33,011 --> 03:09:35.002 subcommittee meetings are 4977 03:09:35,002, -->, 03:09:37.027 recorded..

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We asked several 4978 03:09:37,027 --> 03:09:39.024 times, and the city attorney 4979 03:09:39,024 --> 03:09:41.022 table specifically told us that 4980 03:09:41,022 --> 03:09:44.020 they are not being recorded so 4981 03:09:44,020 --> 03:09:46.003. I'm quite surprised to hear 4982 03:09:46,003 --> 03:09:49.012 that the opposite, because we 4983 03:09:49,012 --> 03:09:50.025 very clearly asked them we're 4984 03:09:50,025 --> 03:09:51.028 told we were not being recorded. 4985 03:09:51,028, -->, 03:09:53.024 ..

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We did ask to record a couple: 4986 03:09:53,024, --> 03:09:55.003 of times, and we were told we 4987 03:09:55,003, --> 03:09:57.002 were not allowed to because it 4988 03:09:57,002 --> 03:09:59.027 would become a public record. 4989 03:09:59,027, --> 03:10:01.020 and we shouldn't be keeping a 4990 03:10:01,020 --> 03:10:04.016 public record anywhere other 4991 03:10:04,016 --> 03:10:06.004 than in an appropriate place, 4992 03:10:06,004, --> 03:10:08.015 and it just weren't being 4993 03:10:08,015, -->, 03:10:11.006 recorded.. So there's that and 4994 03:10:11,006 --> 03:10:14.005, then the other mr.

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segal, I 4995, 03:10:14,005 --> 03:10:16.000 noticed that the city clerk 4996 03:10:16,000 --> 03:10:19.018, addressed the yeah.. We we 4997 03:10:19,018 --> 03:10:20.020, specifically told people not to 4998 03:10:20,020 --> 03:10:21.006 inform the subcommittee 4999 03:10:21,006 --> 03:10:24.000 meetings. people have recorded 5000 03:10:24,000 --> 03:10:26.028 those meetings..

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I need all of 5001 03:10:26,028 --> 03:10:27.009 those recordings because they 5002 03:10:27,009 --> 03:10:30.014 are a public record and 5003 03:10:30,014 --> 03:10:31.015 we've only recorded one 5004 03:10:31,015 --> 03:10:32.013 subcommittee meeting and that 5005 03:10:32,013 --> 03:10:33.004 was on the request of the 5006 03:10:33,004 --> 03:10:35.003 governance structure committee, 5007 03:10:35,003, --> 03:10:37.018.

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When barbara marshman was out 5008 03:10:37,018 --> 03:10:38.027 of unavailable for a family, 5009 03:10:38,027 -->, 03:10:39.011 emergency., so that's happened: 5010 03:10:39,011, --> 03:10:42.007, once antonio, absolutely happy 5011, 03:10:42,007 --> 03:10:45.021, to provide you with that that 5012 03:10:45,021 --> 03:10:49.012 that video. If I can speak to 5013 03:10:49,012, -->, 03:10:51.015 that., I know and fellow 5014 03:10:51,015 --> 03:10:52.019 subcommittee members, please 5015 03:10:52,019 --> 03:10:54.006, chime in.. I know when I log on 5016 03:10:54,006 --> 03:10:56.011 to our wednesday afternoon, 5017 03:10:56,011, -->, 03:10:58.005 meetings or weekly meetings.

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I 5018 03:10:58,005 --> 03:11:00.000 do get an alert that this 5019 03:11:00,000 --> 03:11:02.000 meeting, is being recorded as 5020 03:11:02,000 --> 03:11:04.002, both a pop up and a voice from 5021 03:11:04,002, -->, 03:11:06.001 zoom, and it's happened more 5022 03:11:06,001 --> 03:11:08.006 than once. Actually it's been 5023 03:11:08,006 -->, 03:11:09.000 happening..

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I thought that was 5024 03:11:09,000 --> 03:11:12.012 normal, so it could be a setting 5025 03:11:12,012 --> 03:11:15.005 issue with whoever the author, 5026 03:11:15,005 --> 03:11:17.012 of the or the creator of the 5027 03:11:17,012 --> 03:11:19.028 weekly zone that recording 5028 03:11:19,028 --> 03:11:21.007 function is still turned on: 5029 03:11:21,007, --> 03:11:23.023. Fellow commissioners. Am I only 5030 03:11:23,023 --> 03:11:26.005 getting that? no,. You are 5031 03:11:26,005, -->, 03:11:29.007, correct. I'll I'll look into 5032 03:11:29,007 --> 03:11:30.029 that..

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The intention was a 5033 03:11:30,029 --> 03:11:31.019 record one meeting and if we 5034 03:11:31,019 --> 03:11:33.001 record a multiple once that was 5035, 03:11:33,001 --> 03:11:37.016 an oversight.. What we're doing 5036 03:11:37,016 --> 03:11:38.002 we're trying to follow the 5037 03:11:38,002 -->, 03:11:41.011 city clerk's directions here so 5038 03:11:41,011 --> 03:11:42.010. Thank you for letting me know. 5039 03:11:42,010, --> 03:11:45.001 about that, and I think any I 5040 03:11:45,001 --> 03:11:47.026, don't know changed it, but in 5041 03:11:47,026 --> 03:11:49.018 the past and they had record so 5042 03:11:49,018, --> 03:11:51.025.

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It could be any one of you on 5043, 03:11:51,025, --> 03:11:52.020. The subcommission could have a 5044 03:11:52,020 --> 03:11:54.002 record, not necessarily just the 5045 03:11:54,002 --> 03:11:57.019 host but yeah. and as the 5046 03:11:57,019 --> 03:11:58.021 administrator, I will say, as the 5047 03:11:58,021 --> 03:11:59.000 administrator of our zoome 5048 03:11:59,000 --> 03:12:01.014 account. I'm the only one that 5049 03:12:01,014 --> 03:12:02.014 has access to those videos and 5050 03:12:02,014 --> 03:12:03.000, so I've only shared one 5051 03:12:03,000, -->, 03:12:12.012, video, so mr. mondli and then 5052 03:12:12,012, --> 03:12:15.023, commissioner.

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No, no, no, I'm sorry, 5053 03:12:15,023, --> 03:12:20.001, mr. psychology's ok., so a 5054, 03:12:20,001, -->, 03:12:24.000, yes vote would have I'm trying 5055 03:12:24,000 --> 03:12:25.003 to distinguish between 5056 03:12:25,003 --> 03:12:27.003, something of a consequence: 5057 03:12:27,003, -->, 03:12:28.026 versus actually what you're, 5058 03:12:28,026 --> 03:12:29.004 voting for.. What we would be 5059, 03:12:29,004, --> 03:12:33.015 voting for is commissioner 5060 03:12:33,015 --> 03:12:36.015 lazard's proposal. As is but 5061 03:12:36,015, --> 03:12:37.024.

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Then it would have the extra 5062 03:12:37,024 --> 03:12:38.022 consequence of letting the 5063 03:12:38,022 --> 03:12:40.012 whole thing go forward., but if 5064 03:12:40,012 --> 03:12:42.020 we vote no,, there still would 5065 03:12:42,020 --> 03:12:46.006 be an option to pursue it later. 5066 03:12:46,006 --> 03:12:49.003 on in this meeting by asking 5067 03:12:49,003 --> 03:12:51.009 for a speaker and having a 5068 03:12:51,009 --> 03:12:58.022 motion to for the 5069 03:12:58,022 --> 03:12:59.011 subcommittee, to continue to 5070 03:12:59,011 --> 03:13:01.017 study it., that's my 5071 03:13:01,017 --> 03:13:04.000 understanding. is that right?

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5072 03:13:04,000 --> 03:13:07.027 yeah,, I'm trying to treat all 5073 03:13:07,027 --> 03:13:09.013 recommendations, the same and so 5074 03:13:09,013 --> 03:13:12.015. I really and when I look at the 5075 03:13:12,015 --> 03:13:14.000 calendar that really isn't 5076 03:13:14,000 --> 03:13:16.000 another space for another 5077 03:13:16,000 -->, 03:13:18.029 speaker.. So I'm recommending 5078 03:13:18,029 --> 03:13:19.004 that if there's a speaker that 5079 03:13:19,004 --> 03:13:22.005, the subcommittee feels would be 5080. 03:13:22,005, --> 03:13:24.015 answering their definitive 5081 03:13:24,015 --> 03:13:26.022 questions,. Then I would suggest 5082 03:13:26,022 --> 03:13:27.011, that that goes to that speaker.

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5083 03:13:27,011 --> 03:13:29.028 goes to the subcommittee in 5084 03:13:29,028 --> 03:13:30.003 order to do that. We take a 5085, 03:13:30,003 --> 03:13:32.004 provisional vote that just 5086 03:13:32,004 --> 03:13:33.017 simply means we're going to 5087. 03:13:33,017 --> 03:13:36.000 continue to discuss this issue, 5088 03:13:36,000 --> 03:13:38.015 the changes that can be made by 5089 03:13:38,015 --> 03:13:39.022. The subcommittee will come back, 5090 03:13:39,022, --> 03:13:41.009 to the public, as well as to us 5091 03:13:41,009, --> 03:13:44.026.

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For the final, the final vote at 5092 03:13:44,026 --> 03:13:45.026, which time you would be able to 5093 03:13:45,026, --> 03:13:47.019, say I'm not supporting because 5094 03:13:47,019 --> 03:13:49.014 of what's still in what's still 5095 03:13:49,014 --> 03:13:51.006 in it.. The things that I talked 5096 03:13:51,006 --> 03:13:53.007 about before that I didn't like 5097 03:13:53,007 --> 03:13:54.004 are still in it.. Therefore, I'm 5098 03:13:54,004 --> 03:13:56.015, going to vote no. tonight's 5099 03:13:56,015 --> 03:13:57.026 provisional vote just moves it 5100 03:13:57,026 -->, 03:13:59.028 forward..

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The subcommittee could 5101 03:13:59,028 --> 03:14:01.028, look at additional research, 5102 03:14:01,028 --> 03:14:03.018 additional speakers.. They can 5103 03:14:03,018 --> 03:14:05.020 modify their recommendations. 5104 03:14:05,020 --> 03:14:06.021 and that's what would come back: 5105 03:14:06,021 --> 03:14:07.023 to the public and to the 5106 03:14:07,023 --> 03:14:09.026 commission. and another way to 5107 03:14:09,026 --> 03:14:11.008 frame. This is based on all the 5108 03:14:11,008 --> 03:14:13.012 conversation among yourselves, 5109, 03:14:13,012, --> 03:14:14.023 as commissioners.

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What you've 5110 03:14:14,023 --> 03:14:15.026 heard from the public during 5111 03:14:15,026 --> 03:14:16.007 meetings during the public 5112 03:14:16,007 --> 03:14:18.020. Hearing this provisional 5113 03:14:18,020 --> 03:14:21.004 vote is a basically a sense, 5114 03:14:21,004 --> 03:14:23.027 asking do you have an 5115, 03:14:23,027 --> 03:14:23.000 interest in moving this 5116 03:14:23,000 --> 03:14:25.017 conversation forward to the 5117 03:14:25,017 --> 03:14:26.000 next, step of a final revision, 5118 03:14:26,000, --> 03:14:29.026 and a final vote? again,, we're 5119 03:14:29,026 --> 03:14:29.007, trying to really follow the 5120 03:14:29,007 --> 03:14:32.015 same process.

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We have for all 5121 03:14:32,015 --> 03:14:33.028 recommendations, you'll see 5122 03:14:33,028 --> 03:14:34.012 in the workplan that there's a 5123 03:14:34,012 --> 03:14:36.013 couple other recommendations: 5124 03:14:36,013, --> 03:14:37.000 from the governance structure, 5125 03:14:37,000, --> 03:14:39.026 that were fitting into the work 5126 03:14:39,026 --> 03:14:39.007 plan. So we can have the 5127 03:14:39,007 --> 03:14:42.026 exact same process with how 5128 03:14:42,026 --> 03:14:43.003 often recommendations are 5129. 03:14:43,003, --> 03:14:45.026 brought to the commission, 5130 03:14:45,026 --> 03:14:46.011 meetings shared with the public 5131 03:14:46,011, -->, 03:14:49.005 and and considered..

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So you 5132, 03:14:49,005 -->, 03:14:51.013 know,. This is again we're 5133, 03:14:51,013 --> 03:14:52.012, trying to have a defensible, 5134, 03:14:52,012, -->, 03:14:54.016, equitable process for 5135 03:14:54,016, --> 03:14:55.023. Considering all of these 5136 03:14:55,023 --> 03:14:56.019 recommendations equally with 5137 03:14:56,019 --> 03:14:59.008, the same same you know,, 5138, 03:14:59,008, -->, 03:15:03.020, transparent process., so ok, 5139, 03:15:03,020, --> 03:15:04.025.

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So we have a motion on the 5140 03:15:04,025 --> 03:15:05.023 floor to move the 5141 03:15:05,023 --> 03:15:07.002 recommendation that committee 5142 03:15:07,002 --> 03:15:11.028 that propose tonight and that's 5143 03:15:11,028 --> 03:15:12.006, the provisional design of the 5144 03:15:12,006 --> 03:15:14.009 provisional vote to move 5145 03:15:14,009 --> 03:15:16.001 forward.. We will go now to the 5146 03:15:16,001 --> 03:15:19.016 public before we take our vote. 5147 03:15:19,016 -->, 03:15:20.024 clerk or call the first speaker, 5148 03:15:20,024 --> 03:15:25.017 robert brounstein., good 5149, 03:15:25,017 -->, 03:15:27.024 evening..

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I appreciate 5150 03:15:27,024 --> 03:15:29.022, commissioner lizotte intent on 5151 03:15:29,022 --> 03:15:31.001 this measure, but the concept is 5152 03:15:31,001, -->, 03:15:34.019 deeply flawed and we have to 5153 03:15:34,019 --> 03:15:36.014 face some unpleasant realities: 5154 03:15:36,014, -->, 03:15:39.026 first,, many elected officials, 5155 03:15:39,026, -->, 03:15:42.001, politicize, emergencies., look at 5156, 03:15:42,001, --> 03:15:45.019, the pandemic., tens of thousands 5157 03:15:45,019 --> 03:15:46.011 of americans of americans are 5158 03:15:46,011 --> 03:15:49.003 dead, because governors made 5159 03:15:49,003 --> 03:15:51.004 political decisions about the 5160 03:15:51,004 --> 03:15:53.016 pandemic.

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Instead of relying on 5161 03:15:53,016 --> 03:15:55.009 science, the recommendations of 5162 03:15:55,009 --> 03:15:58.020, public health professionals, 5163 03:15:58,020, -->, 03:16:01.003 second,, it has happened in san 5164, 03:16:01,003, -->, 03:16:04.019, jose that mayors have abused, 5165, 03:16:04,019, -->, 03:16:07.015 power., it's happened, it's real 5166, 03:16:07,015, --> 03:16:09.020 and the language in 5167, 03:16:09,020, --> 03:16:11.009.

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Commissioner lazard's proposal, 5168 03:16:11,009 --> 03:16:14.001 allows a mayor in an emergency 5169 03:16:14,001 --> 03:16:16.014, to have all the powers of the 5170 03:16:16,014 --> 03:16:17.029 city manager, which is 5171 03:16:17,029, --> 03:16:19.010, essentially the power to to do 5172, 03:16:19,010, --> 03:16:21.018, virtually anything with the 5173 03:16:21,018 --> 03:16:23.026 city workforce. That's an 5174 03:16:23,026 --> 03:16:25.003 invitation to that mayor who 5175 03:16:25,003, --> 03:16:29.020 would be tempted to abuse power, 5176 03:16:29,020, --> 03:16:30.011 and we need to say something: 5177, 03:16:30,011, --> 03:16:32.016 about accountability.

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city, 5178, 03:16:32,016, -->, 03:16:34.004 manager, aren't elected, but they 5179 03:16:34,004 --> 03:16:36.024 are incredibly accountable. 5180 03:16:36,024, --> 03:16:37.006. They can be fired on any 5181 03:16:37,006 --> 03:16:40.003 tuesday and many city managers. 5182 03:16:40,003 --> 03:16:42.003 have been where's. The 5183 03:16:42,003 --> 03:16:44.023 accountability for a mayor who 5184 03:16:44,023, -->, 03:16:47.018 elected citywide, recall them no 5185, 03:16:47,018 --> 03:16:49.004 mayor since no mayor has ever 5186 03:16:49,004 --> 03:16:52.027 been recalled in san jose..

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No 5187 03:16:52,027 --> 03:16:53.003 mayor has been defeated, seeking 5188, 03:16:53,003 --> 03:16:56.007 reelection in san jose, no 5189, 03:16:56,007, -->, 03:16:58.023 matter how bad they are., no 5190, 03:16:58,023 --> 03:16:59.016 mayor has even had a serious 5191 03:16:59,016 --> 03:17:01.014 opponent, when they were running 5192, 03:17:01,014, --> 03:17:03.000 for reelection in san jose at 5193, 03:17:03,000 -->, 03:17:05.029 least since nineteen eighty 5194 03:17:05,029 --> 03:17:07.028 five. There really isn't serious: 5195, 03:17:07,028, -->, 03:17:09.001 accountability for mayors and 5196 03:17:09,001 --> 03:17:12.026.

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When people demonstrate outside 5197 03:17:12,026 --> 03:17:13.026 the mayor's house, it's not 5198 03:17:13,026 --> 03:17:14.025, because they're holding him 5199 03:17:14,025 -->, 03:17:16.005 accountable.. It's because they 5200 03:17:16,005 --> 03:17:19.016, claiming they have no way to 5201. 03:17:19,016 --> 03:17:21.007 hold him accountable because it 5202 03:17:21,007, --> 03:17:23.028 is so difficult to take. 5203 03:17:23,028 --> 03:17:24.002 political action against the 5204 03:17:24,002 --> 03:17:29.029 mayor. thank you., so 5205 03:17:29,029, --> 03:17:37.006 woodmansee. thank you. robert 5206 03:17:37,006 -->, 03:17:40.025 brounstein,. You are amazing. 5207, 03:17:40,025, --> 03:17:41.006. That was so right, on..

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Thank you, 5208 03:17:41,006, -->, 03:17:43.013, very much., and that's 5209 03:17:43,013 --> 03:17:45.013. Exactly what my husband, who is 5210 03:17:45,013, -->, 03:17:48.013 a. I guess. You call him being a 5211 03:17:48,013 --> 03:17:51.019 biologist.. He is a student of 5212 03:17:51,019, -->, 03:17:54.029 history, and he said that no, we 5213 03:17:54,029 --> 03:17:56.023 should not be giving the mayor 5214, 03:17:56,023, -->, 03:17:59.003 or any person. One person power, 5215, 03:17:59,003 --> 03:18:02.020, to make the decision that is: 5216, 03:18:02,020, -->, 03:18:05.020 invitation to fascism.

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and so 5217 03:18:05,020 --> 03:18:07.002, that that was his comment and I 5218 03:18:07,002, --> 03:18:10.011, agree and what he was saying is 5219 03:18:10,011 --> 03:18:13.029 that we should have a a full 5220, 03:18:13,029 --> 03:18:14.002 council meeting. When there's an 5221 03:18:14,002 --> 03:18:16.024 emergency,, there should be 5222, 03:18:16,024, -->, 03:18:17.007 emergency council meeting and 5223 03:18:17,007 --> 03:18:19.028.

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It should be unanimous because 5224 03:18:19,028 --> 03:18:20.017 emergencies are pretty easy to 5225 03:18:20,017 --> 03:18:22.026 see., it's emergency and it 5226 03:18:22,026 --> 03:18:23.005 should be in a unanimous 5227, 03:18:23,005 --> 03:18:26.019 decision how we go forward and 5228 03:18:26,019, --> 03:18:28.010 or basically the decision on 5229 03:18:28,010, --> 03:18:30.011.

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How you go forward could be a 5230 03:18:30,011 --> 03:18:32.021 supermajority, but that it would 5231 03:18:32,021 --> 03:18:34.002 not give any one person the 5232 03:18:34,002 --> 03:18:38.015 power., and so that's what he is: 5233 03:18:38,015 --> 03:18:40.009 saying and robert brounstein 5234 03:18:40,009 --> 03:18:42.004 was saying that too.. So you 5235 03:18:42,004, -->, 03:18:44.013 know,.

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I think that's really a 5236 03:18:44,013 --> 03:18:47.015 concern and we should so the 5237 03:18:47,015 --> 03:18:51.011 the the suggestion that the 5238 03:18:51,011 --> 03:18:53.014, giving the mayor all that power, 5239 03:18:53,014, --> 03:18:55.012, is wrong and even the general 5240 03:18:55,012 --> 03:18:57.022 manager is wrong,. We've seen 5241 03:18:57,022 --> 03:18:58.025 that it didn't work out very 5242, 03:18:58,025 --> 03:19:00.028 well in terms of the protests 5243 03:19:00,028, --> 03:19:01.023, and how that was handled.

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5244 03:19:01,023 --> 03:19:03.005 through the general manager., so 5245 03:19:03,005, --> 03:19:05.018, I think, having, I think, that's a 5246 03:19:05,018 --> 03:19:06.025 good suggestion of having the 5247 03:19:06,025 --> 03:19:08.021 council decided unanimously 5248 03:19:08,021 --> 03:19:10.007 that it's emergency and then a 5249 03:19:10,007, --> 03:19:12.018 supermajority of how we go 5250, 03:19:12,018 --> 03:19:14.023 forward and I think that's the 5251 03:19:14,023 --> 03:19:18.006, more democratic way for us to 5252, 03:19:18,006, --> 03:19:21.015 live within a democracy. and so 5253 03:19:21,015 --> 03:19:23.015. That's my suggestion and I 5254 03:19:23,015 --> 03:19:25.016.

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Whatever I do with my time I 5255 03:19:25,016 --> 03:19:27.018 yield my time. thank you., all 5256 03:19:27,018 --> 03:19:34.000 right. aleena on this topic: 5257 03:19:34,000, --> 03:19:36.026. This was not studied by the 5258 03:19:36,026 -->. 03:19:37.028 commission.- clearly there is a 5259 03:19:37,028 --> 03:19:38.015 concern among other 5260 03:19:38,015 --> 03:19:40.027 commissioners, specifically in 5261 03:19:40,027, --> 03:19:41.024, the subcommittee and I think 5262 03:19:41,024 --> 03:19:43.017, that this is mission creep. 5263 03:19:43,017 --> 03:19:45.012 natural disasters is one thing: 5264 03:19:45,012, --> 03:19:47.028, but civil unrest is another.

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5265, 03:19:47,028, --> 03:19:48.028 and during last year's black 5266 03:19:48,028 --> 03:19:50.002 lives matter. Protests, harm was 5267 03:19:50,002 --> 03:19:52.010 committed against our community 5268 03:19:52,010 --> 03:19:53.022 members who were grieving. The 5269 03:19:53,022 --> 03:19:54.000 violent loss of black lives, 5270 03:19:54,000, --> 03:19:57.001 that continues to this day and 5271 03:19:57,001 --> 03:19:58.015. This sounds more like a 5272 03:19:58,015 --> 03:19:59.022 concession prize to losing the 5273 03:19:59,022 --> 03:20:00.014, fight to expanding mayoral, 5274 03:20:00,014 -->, 03:20:02.007 powers,, both of which are using 5275 03:20:02,007 --> 03:20:04.017, similar arguments.

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and 5276 03:20:04,017 --> 03:20:05.008, commissioner longit, who has 5277 03:20:05,008 --> 03:20:07.027, been near absent of public 5278, 03:20:07,027 -->, 03:20:08.017 hearings and all discussions. 5279, 03:20:08,017, -->, 03:20:10.008 and less is about giving the 5280 03:20:10,008 --> 03:20:12.020 power, who appointed him more 5281, 03:20:12,020, -->, 03:20:14.008, powers. and again,. I would like 5282 03:20:14,008 --> 03:20:16.020 to point out that those are 5283 03:20:16,020, --> 03:20:17.029 that are proposing this change.

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5284 03:20:17,029 --> 03:20:18.008 will suffer no impact from this 5285 03:20:18,008 --> 03:20:21.025 decision, because communities, 5286, 03:20:21,025, -->, 03:20:22.027 communities of color, practicing 5287 03:20:22,027, --> 03:20:24.023, their constitutional right,, it 5288, 03:20:24,023, -->, 03:20:26.021 places their lives in threat, 5289, 03:20:26,021, -->, 03:20:27.029 and as commissioner mott's 5290 03:20:27,029 --> 03:20:29.024 morell also stated,. This is 5291 03:20:29,024 --> 03:20:31.014 is not an informed decision as 5292 03:20:31,014 --> 03:20:33.020, commissioner fuentes, shared.

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5293 03:20:33,020 -->, 03:20:34.021 furthermore,, commissioner 5294 03:20:34,021 --> 03:20:36.010 callendar has also shared very 5295 03:20:36,010 --> 03:20:38.012 valid dangers and concerns 5296 03:20:38,012 --> 03:20:39.023 about making emergencies. 5297 03:20:39,023, --> 03:20:41.015 political as bob brown, 5298, 03:20:41,015 --> 03:20:44.007, illustrated cover all natural 5299, 03:20:44,007 -->, 03:20:46.012 disasters.. This is an entirely 5300 03:20:46,012 --> 03:20:48.001 different scenario, and if this 5301 03:20:48,001 --> 03:20:50.027 was what this was actually 5302.

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03:20:50,027 --> 03:20:51.028 about commissioner monali 5303, 03:20:51,028, --> 03:20:53.024 suggested and that's one thing: 5304 03:20:53,024 --> 03:20:56.007, but where again implied what is 5305 03:20:56,007, --> 03:20:58.009 implied, should be explicit and 5306 03:20:58,009 --> 03:20:59.009, making the city manager more 5307, 03:20:59,009 --> 03:21:00.023 accountable, is within the 5308 03:21:00,023 --> 03:21:01.005 purview of the charter. That's 5309, 03:21:01,005 --> 03:21:03.015 in section seven, but that's not 5310 03:21:03,015, -->, 03:21:05.021 being discussed and to me that 5311 03:21:05,021 --> 03:21:06.004 ok, lucy goosey, that sounds 5312 03:21:06,004, --> 03:21:08.025, very suspect..

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It seems the 5313 03:21:08,025 --> 03:21:10.003 larger issue is process and the 5314 03:21:10,003 --> 03:21:12.011 process is enabling bad 5315 03:21:12,011 --> 03:21:13.029 decisions and, as commissioner 5316 03:21:13,029 --> 03:21:14.016 trump said, swopping. The person 5317 03:21:14,016, --> 03:21:18.005 out doesn't in process is just 5318. 03:21:18,005 --> 03:21:20.008, shifting the supposed scapegoat, 5319 03:21:20,008, --> 03:21:21.002, and that's not good governance, 5320, 03:21:21,002, --> 03:21:22.020 and that's egregious and I 5321 03:21:22,020 --> 03:21:23.001 think that's very negligent and 5322 03:21:23,001 --> 03:21:25.019.

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A lot of people have spoken out: 5323 03:21:25,019 --> 03:21:26.003 that they are supportive of 5324 03:21:26,003, --> 03:21:28.022, looking at natural disasters, 5325 03:21:28,022, --> 03:21:29.009 and those powers that that was 5326, 03:21:29,009 --> 03:21:31.015 an even take into consideration: 5327 03:21:31,015 --> 03:21:33.018 as the comments that for the 5328 03:21:33,018 --> 03:21:34.020 charter review, commission 5329, 03:21:34,020, --> 03:21:43.009 earlier jeffrey buchanan,, 5330, 03:21:43,009, -->, 03:21:46.000, members of the commission on 5331 03:21:46,000, --> 03:21:47.006.

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What I was going to say has 5332 03:21:47,006, --> 03:21:48.022 been said by others., but just 5333 03:21:48,022 --> 03:21:50.021 want to reiterate. Certainly the 5334 03:21:50,021 --> 03:21:51.021 standard proposed in the 5335 03:21:51,021 --> 03:21:53.000 proposal is, is too broad of a 5336 03:21:53,000 --> 03:21:55.006 standard. Perhaps a dangerous 5337, 03:21:55,006 --> 03:21:57.012 standard.

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In reading this 5338 03:21:57,012 --> 03:21:59.017 proposal and taking a deep look: 5339 03:21:59,017 --> 03:22:01.028 at the municipal code., this 5340 03:22:01,028 --> 03:22:02.023 essentially could be a seventy 5341 03:22:02,023 --> 03:22:05.029 two hour strong mayor proposal, 5342 03:22:05,029, --> 03:22:06.001 and ask the cafe: ask the 5343, 03:22:06,001 --> 03:22:08.000 commission to move forward.

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5344 03:22:08,000 --> 03:22:10.003, without additional study to 5345 03:22:10,003 --> 03:22:11.007, prove the few provisionally 5346 03:22:11,007 --> 03:22:12.017, without studying the municipal, 5347 03:22:12,017 --> 03:22:13.023 code and how emergency 5348, 03:22:13,023 --> 03:22:14.026 management works in the city of 5349, 03:22:14,026, -->, 03:22:15.021, san jose and elsewhere is a 5350 03:22:15,021 --> 03:22:17.003 real mistake., and I say that as 5351 03:22:17,003 --> 03:22:19.000, someone who spent well over a 5352 03:22:19,000 --> 03:22:21.009 decade, working on natural and 5353 03:22:21,009 --> 03:22:23.026 man made disasters from 5354 03:22:23,026, -->, 03:22:24.004, hurricane katrina to the bp oil 5355 03:22:24,004 --> 03:22:27.018 spill, certainly not a topic.

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5356 03:22:27,018 --> 03:22:28.007 that one would make decisions. 5357, 03:22:28,007, -->, 03:22:30.002 on major policy around in the 5358 03:22:30,002 --> 03:22:33.008, absence of evidence. first, 5359, 03:22:33,008, --> 03:22:34.009. This policy does not have a 5360 03:22:34,009, --> 03:22:35.028, strong definition of what 5361 03:22:35,028 --> 03:22:37.011 constitutes an emergency.

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yes, 5362 03:22:37,011 --> 03:22:39.008 chapter eight of the municipal 5363 03:22:39,008 --> 03:22:41.018 code does not define emergency 5364, 03:22:41,018, --> 03:22:42.003, but elsewhere in the medical 5365 03:22:42,003 --> 03:22:45.013 code chapter 15 defines 5366 03:22:45,013 --> 03:22:46.007 emergency as an unexpected and 5367 03:22:46,007, --> 03:22:48.011, sudden occurring event, making 5368 03:22:48,011 --> 03:22:49.015 immediate action necessary to 5369 03:22:49,015 --> 03:22:50.009, protect life, property and 5370 03:22:50,009 --> 03:22:52.022 public welfare by not including 5371 03:22:52,022 --> 03:22:53.028, the unexpected and sudden 5372 03:22:53,028 --> 03:22:54.018 nature of an emergency in your 5373 03:22:54,018 --> 03:22:56.008 definition,, even standing 5374 03:22:56,008 --> 03:22:59.022 issues could be turned into an 5375 03:22:59,022 --> 03:23:00.023 emergency declaration, giving 5376 03:23:00,023 --> 03:23:02.021 the mayor power as mr.

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5377 03:23:02,021 --> 03:23:04.022 brownstein stated,. Looking at 5378 03:23:04,022 --> 03:23:05.012, the municipal code, you'll, see 5379 03:23:05,012 --> 03:23:07.022 that one of the powers of the 5380 03:23:07,022 --> 03:23:08.004 emergency director is to 5381 03:23:08,004 --> 03:23:10.004 immediately claim all of the 5382 03:23:10,004 --> 03:23:12.016 power of the city, manager. the 5383 03:23:12,016 --> 03:23:13.014 mayor in this proposal for 5384 03:23:13,014 --> 03:23:15.006. Seventy two hours could do 5385, 03:23:15,006, -->, 03:23:17.021, anything that the city manager, 5386, 03:23:17,021, --> 03:23:19.025, could do..

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We think about a 5387 03:23:19,025 --> 03:23:21.027 situation like in april of 5388 03:23:21,027 --> 03:23:23.012, twenty twenty. When the mayor in 5389, 03:23:23,012, -->, 03:23:26.026 front of city council was quite 5390, 03:23:26,026 --> 03:23:28.012, disrespectful to our planning, 5391 03:23:28,012 --> 03:23:31.001 director around whether or not 5392 03:23:31,001 --> 03:23:33.001. Certain building permits were 5393, 03:23:33,001, -->, 03:23:35.006 being approved.

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In that scenario, 5394 03:23:35,006 --> 03:23:36.015, the mayor could have declared a 5395 03:23:36,015 --> 03:23:38.012 housing disaster, put together, 5396 03:23:38,012 --> 03:23:40.026, the necessary findings, use his 5397 03:23:40,026 --> 03:23:42.003 power as city manager to fire, 5398 03:23:42,003, --> 03:23:44.005, that department director 5399 03:23:44,005 --> 03:23:45.023. Essentially, all the things that 5400 03:23:45,023 --> 03:23:52.023, we said are beekman, I 5401 03:23:52,023, --> 03:23:54.005. Believe we came in here. I guess 5402 03:23:54,005 --> 03:23:57.006. To start off. I think I decided 5403 03:23:57,006 --> 03:23:59.010 tonight.

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I am the definition of 5404 03:23:59,010 --> 03:24:02.007 a hick.. I am last place: blair, 5405, 03:24:02,007 --> 03:24:04.012 here, offering my ideas and 5406 03:24:04,012 --> 03:24:05.026 feelings that you guys have 5407 03:24:05,026, --> 03:24:07.018 been working on these issues. 5408 03:24:07,018 --> 03:24:10.017 thanks. like I've been 5409, 03:24:10,017, -->, 03:24:11.003 saying,. You know the 5410 03:24:11,003 --> 03:24:13.023 surveillance and technology, 5411 03:24:13,023, -->, 03:24:14.004, ordinance, stuff,, it's it's! The 5412 03:24:14,004 --> 03:24:17.011 preparing of these things with 5413 03:24:17,011, -->, 03:24:19.007, good policy decisions..

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I think 5414 03:24:19,007 --> 03:24:21.024 that that that enhances the 5415, 03:24:21,024 --> 03:24:23.001 ideas of the of a council, 5416 03:24:23,001, -->, 03:24:27.005, future of a council city, 5417, 03:24:27,005, -->, 03:24:30.013 manager process very well and 5418 03:24:30,013 --> 03:24:33.016, the mayor too., and it's having 5419 03:24:33,016 --> 03:24:35.017 good policies in place and 5420 03:24:35,017 --> 03:24:37.023 ready to go and well practiced.

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5421, 03:24:37,023, -->, 03:24:39.000 and well defined of our better 5422 03:24:39,000 --> 03:24:42.007 selves are better ideals and 5423 03:24:42,007 --> 03:24:45.004 not to fall back into because 5424 03:24:45,004 --> 03:24:47.000 we're in a wartime situation. We 5425 03:24:47,000 --> 03:24:51.009 act in really bad ways., we're 5426, 03:24:51,009 --> 03:24:52.005 we're creating a set of 5427 03:24:52,005 --> 03:24:54.027 guidelines that we don't have 5428 03:24:54,027 --> 03:24:55.008 to work that way. Anymore.

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we 5429 03:24:55,008, --> 03:24:59.003, can continue our best selves in 5430, 03:24:59,003, --> 03:25:01.000, the times of difficult decision, 5431 03:25:01,000, -->, 03:25:03.010, making and there's a lot. This 5432 03:25:03,010 --> 03:25:05.026 has been based actually on on 5433 03:25:05,026 --> 03:25:06.003 san jose sunshine, ordinance, 5434, 03:25:06,003, -->, 03:25:09.002 issues of twenty seven there 5435 03:25:09,002 --> 03:25:11.020 invite yourselves to look into 5436 03:25:11,020 --> 03:25:12.018. That's very interesting work as 5437 03:25:12,018, -->, 03:25:16.017 well..

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So it's it's creating 5438, 03:25:16,017, --> 03:25:18.019 good policy doesn't necessarily 5439 03:25:18,019 --> 03:25:20.003 have to be created with strong 5440 03:25:20,003 --> 03:25:23.018, meor ideas, but gosh darn. It 5441 03:25:23,018, --> 03:25:24.025 we're getting into the into the 5442 03:25:24,025 --> 03:25:25.015 thick of it that I think there 5443 03:25:25,015, --> 03:25:27.002 is a subtlety involved that 5444 03:25:27,002 --> 03:25:29.029 should allow the mayor a 5445, 03:25:29,029, --> 03:25:32.018 certain degree of respect., I of 5446 03:25:32,018 --> 03:25:35.022 what he can be doing.

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A 5447 03:25:35,022 --> 03:25:36.026 progressive community has 5448 03:25:36,026 --> 03:25:37.006 outlined very important: 5449 03:25:37,006 --> 03:25:39.001 concepts.. We need to start 5450 03:25:39,001 --> 03:25:41.007, talking more how the commission 5451 03:25:41,007 --> 03:25:42.019 is talking here. Tonight. that 5452 03:25:42,019 --> 03:25:43.011 is a very good conversation. I 5453 03:25:43,011 --> 03:25:46.026 feel what are we going to do if 5454 03:25:46,026 --> 03:25:47.013? We don't like the future of a 5455 03:25:47,013 --> 03:25:50.018 police chief?.

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Does he have that 5456 03:25:50,018 --> 03:25:51.019 power to call emergency, 5457, 03:25:51,019, -->, 03:25:56.010 situation and not the mayor? 5458 03:25:56,010 --> 03:26:02.008 roland, thank you., so before 5459 03:26:02,008, --> 03:26:04.001 getting into the item,, I want 5460 03:26:04,001 --> 03:26:07.016 to address the issue of the 5461 03:26:07,016 --> 03:26:09.007 subcommittee recordings, which 5462 03:26:09,007 --> 03:26:11.025 is have a similar situation at 5463 03:26:11,025 --> 03:26:13.004, the rekia whereby they come 5464 03:26:13,004 --> 03:26:16.021 from you know how the meetings 5465 03:26:16,021 --> 03:26:18.008. They were public meetings and 5466 03:26:18,008 --> 03:26:20.013.

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Subsequently through the public 5467 03:26:20,013 --> 03:26:21.024 records request for the 5468 03:26:21,024 --> 03:26:23.000 recordings, and we gave them 5469, 03:26:23,000, --> 03:26:25.014 back, say we do not have the 5470 03:26:25,014 --> 03:26:27.005 recordings.

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Now the important 5471 03:26:27,005 --> 03:26:29.024 thing is that I've actually got 5472 03:26:29,024, -->, 03:26:30.029, screen captures of the meetings, 5473 03:26:30,029, -->, 03:26:32.017 being recorded and the end 5474 03:26:32,017 --> 03:26:34.022 result is that right now, we've 5475 03:26:34,022 --> 03:26:36.029 got pregaming on consultants, 5476 03:26:36,029, -->, 03:26:38.002 and one employees are under 5477 03:26:38,002 --> 03:26:42.020 investigation for violation of 5478 03:26:42,020 --> 03:26:44.024, section six, two five: three now 5479 03:26:44,024 --> 03:26:45.016 moving to the right and left 5480 03:26:45,016 --> 03:26:49.023 hand..

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I really for my as I find 5481 03:26:49,023 --> 03:26:50.022 myself. The consultant turned 5482 03:26:50,022 --> 03:26:52.012 over the records to tell me 5483, 03:26:52,012, --> 03:26:56.022, immediately now. Moving to this 5484 03:26:56,022 --> 03:26:58.023 resolution, I think, is really 5485. 03:26:58,023 --> 03:27:01.015 remarkable.. It really was sold 5486 03:27:01,015, -->, 03:27:03.024 out..

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I think the key that you 5487 03:27:03,024 --> 03:27:05.015, have in there is that you have 5488 03:27:05,015 --> 03:27:07.013 to have a concurrence from the 5489 03:27:07,013 --> 03:27:14.026 city council, with regards to 5490 03:27:14,026 --> 03:27:15.022 communication and massimo's 5491 03:27:15,022 --> 03:27:19.000 comes a concern. yes, yes., I 5492 03:27:19,000 --> 03:27:21.005 believe that this is addressed. 5493, 03:27:21,005, --> 03:27:22.013. That's why the city, council and 5494 03:27:22,013 --> 03:27:24.011 council, pleased about that. the 5495 03:27:24,011 --> 03:27:26.025.

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Only thing I would add, is that 5496 03:27:26,025 --> 03:27:28.023 when we clearly have to declare 5497 03:27:28,023 --> 03:27:30.001 the emergency and we have to we 5498 03:27:30,001 --> 03:27:32.002, simply don't know exactly what 5499 03:27:32,002 --> 03:27:35.026 we're talking about.. We must 5500 03:27:35,026 --> 03:27:37.021 also make it possible for the 5501 03:27:37,021 --> 03:27:39.022 council, a minority of the 5502 03:27:39,022 --> 03:27:42.021 council, to call an emergency 5503, 03:27:42,021 --> 03:27:45.007 meeting to declare an emergency 5504 03:27:45,007 --> 03:27:48.007.

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If the mayor is not able to do 5505, 03:27:48,007, --> 03:27:50.010, so for whatever reason. thank 5506, 03:27:50,010 --> 03:27:56.016 you, the chair, ok,, we'll 5507 03:27:56,016, --> 03:27:58.013 have the vote on this motion. 5508, 03:27:58,013, -->, 03:27:59.013, that's on the floor and the 5509 03:27:59,013 --> 03:28:01.016 clerk will take the take the 5510 03:28:01,016 --> 03:28:03.011 vote.. A yes vote is a 5511 03:28:03,011 --> 03:28:05.013 provisional vote to move this 5512 03:28:05,013 --> 03:28:07.004 item forward., further 5513 03:28:07,004, --> 03:28:09.027 discussion.

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Further study by the 5514 03:28:09,027 --> 03:28:11.018 subcommittee can happen if you 5515 03:28:11,018 --> 03:28:14.011 support this and they will come 5516 03:28:14,011, --> 03:28:16.009 back again to the commission to 5517 03:28:16,009 --> 03:28:17.024 come back again to the 5518 03:28:17,024 --> 03:28:18.008 commission for both and the 5519 03:28:18,008 --> 03:28:21.020 public hearing as well before 5520 03:28:21,020, --> 03:28:22.003. It goes to a final vote,. The 5521 03:28:22,003 --> 03:28:26.007 clerk will take a vote: 5522 03:28:26,007 -->, 03:28:30.013, motion., yes,, kristina, johnson 5523, 03:28:30,013, --> 03:28:36.028.

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Now, elizabeth mondli, yes, 5524, 03:28:36,028, -->, 03:28:48.018 alima tomorrow, no personal 5525, 03:28:48,018, -->, 03:28:57.004 yes.. We can. yes. jeremy, bruce 5526 03:28:57,004, --> 03:29:05.028, no josé posadas, no one dear 5527, 03:29:05,028, -->, 03:29:11.026 .. I know lizotte yes., louise 5528 03:29:11,026, -->, 03:29:20.003, crosio., yes., magnolia, evil, 5529, 03:29:20,003, -->, 03:29:23.014 no., and I could not hear of 5530 03:29:23,014 --> 03:29:26.015. Tomorrow's vote., I vote no.. I 5531 03:29:26,015 --> 03:29:27.016. Have a note for you. is that 5532 03:29:27,016 --> 03:29:30.029 correct?? That's correct.

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thank 5533, 03:29:30,029 --> 03:29:36.003, you maria instance: no 5534 03:29:36,003, -->, 03:29:42.008, samu robledo, yes, cherry 5535, 03:29:42,008, -->, 03:29:51.006, cigarroa, no ti tranh; yes, tobin, 5536, 03:29:51,006, -->, 03:29:57.019, gittleman, no veronica, amador, 5537, 03:29:57,019, -->, 03:30:04.029, no yongzhou yes. that motion 5538 03:30:04,029 --> 03:30:06.015 passes by a vote of ten yes 5539 03:30:06,015 --> 03:30:10.015 votes and nine, no votes. 5540 03:30:10,015 --> 03:30:13.023 thank you..

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Ok, I'm going to move 5541, 03:30:13,023, --> 03:30:21.021 us now to the next item: 5542 03:30:21,021, --> 03:30:23.015, which is the all business item, 5543 03:30:23,015, --> 03:30:28.006, and we will look at the 5544 03:30:28,006 --> 03:30:30.006 additions and edits to the 5545 03:30:30,006 --> 03:30:31.010 workplan.. I'm going to ask the 5546 03:30:31,010 --> 03:30:33.025 consultant to review the work, 5547 03:30:33,025, --> 03:30:37.025 plan and the changes we made to 5548 03:30:37,025 --> 03:30:38.000 make it as current as 5549 03:30:38,000, -->, 03:30:43.027, possible., all right..

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Let me 5550 03:30:43,027 --> 03:30:45.019 share my screen and I will walk 5551 03:30:45,019 --> 03:30:47.008 through the changes that were 5552, 03:30:47,008 -->, 03:30:51.011 made.. We are here hot october: 5553 03:30:51,011, -->, 03:30:53.003, 4th discussion of public 5554, 03:30:53,003 -->, 03:30:55.002, hearing feedback, voting on 5555 03:30:55,002 -->, 03:30:57.017 governance, recommendations and 5556 03:30:57,017 --> 03:30:58.019 final voting on timing of 5557 03:30:58,019 --> 03:31:00.006 mayoral recommend election 5558 03:31:00,006 --> 03:31:05.014 recommendations..

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There are 5559 03:31:05,014, --> 03:31:07.013, two additional recommendations: 5560 03:31:07,013 --> 03:31:08.027 that are coming out of the 5561 03:31:08,027 --> 03:31:09.011 governance structure, 5562 03:31:09,011, --> 03:31:12.011 subcommittee that were not 5563, 03:31:12,011 --> 03:31:16.008, ready to present before the 5564 03:31:16,008 --> 03:31:19.000 public hearing.. Those are a 5565 03:31:19,000 --> 03:31:21.003 recommendation on budgeting 5566 03:31:21,003 -->, 03:31:24.017 equity and a recommendation.

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5567 03:31:24,017 --> 03:31:26.008, looking into section nineteen 5568, 03:31:26,008, --> 03:31:31.023 and charter charter, section 5569, 03:31:31,023, -->, 03:31:32.022, nineteen,, title nineteen excuse, 5570, 03:31:32,022, -->, 03:31:33.024 me and then charter section, 5571, 03:31:33,024, -->, 03:31:37.000 nineteen.. So for october, 5572 03:31:37,000 -->, 03:31:41.029 18th. We are proposing that 5573 03:31:41,029 --> 03:31:42.020, the governance structure, 5574 03:31:42,020, -->, 03:31:44.007 subcommittee present those 5575 03:31:44,007 --> 03:31:47.029 recommendations for the 5576 03:31:47,029 --> 03:31:48.002 initial airing and discussion 5577 03:31:48,002 --> 03:31:51.021 with the commission and then 5578 03:31:51,021, --> 03:31:54.000.

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They be grouped with the 5579 03:31:54,000 --> 03:31:57.026, policing, spillar accountability, 5580 03:31:57,026, --> 03:31:57.025 and inclusion, 5581 03:31:57,025 -->, 03:31:59.016 recommendations for hearing 5582, 03:31:59,016 --> 03:32:01.004 during the public hearing on 5583 03:32:01,004, -->, 03:32:04.003 november 6th and then final 5584, 03:32:04,003 --> 03:32:05.011 discussion and provisional 5585 03:32:05,011 --> 03:32:08.021 voting on november 15th., again 5586 03:32:08,021, --> 03:32:09.016 we're trying to to make sure 5587, 03:32:09,016 --> 03:32:11.028 that each recommendation is is 5588 03:32:11,028, -->, 03:32:12.028, pursued, discussed and 5589 03:32:12,028 --> 03:32:14.029 presented in the exact same 5590, 03:32:14,029 -->, 03:32:17.026 way..

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Additionally, on october 5591 03:32:17,026 --> 03:32:21.013 18th, we will have time to to 5592 03:32:21,013 --> 03:32:23.006 review the redistricting 5593 03:32:23,006 --> 03:32:25.011 commission. This is presentation. 5594 03:32:25,011, --> 03:32:26.026 really be a presentation of the 5595 03:32:26,026 --> 03:32:27.029 memo from the city clerk that 5596 03:32:27,029 --> 03:32:30.020 was mentioned earlier: tonight. 5597, 03:32:30,020, --> 03:32:33.017. There will be discussion and 5598 03:32:33,017 --> 03:32:35.024 final voting on the voting and 5599 03:32:35,024 --> 03:32:36.010 election governance structure, 5600 03:32:36,010, -->, 03:32:40.012 recommendations.. This is an 5601 03:32:40,012 --> 03:32:41.016 additional meeting.

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We have 5602 03:32:41,016 --> 03:32:45.024 before we get into the 5603 03:32:45,024 --> 03:32:46.001 the study session that was 5604, 03:32:46,001, --> 03:32:48.008 added for policing this bill, 5605 03:32:48,008, -->, 03:32:49.005 accountability and inclusion, 5606 03:32:49,005 -->, 03:32:52.009 subcommittee recommendations, 5607 03:32:52,009, -->, 03:32:54.007 and then sort of the same 5608 03:32:54,007 --> 03:32:55.026 process for hearing this 5609 03:32:55,026 -->, 03:32:57.000 recommendation., so go 5610, 03:32:57,000 --> 03:32:59.017 through the and get down to 5611 03:32:59,017 --> 03:33:00.025 the end of this..

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This calendar, 5612 03:33:00,025, --> 03:33:02.026, gets pretty tight in order to 5613 03:33:02,026 --> 03:33:03.027 be able to follow that same 5614, 03:33:03,027, -->, 03:33:05.020 process of an initial airing of 5615 03:33:05,020 --> 03:33:07.022 recommendations with commission, 5616, 03:33:07,022, -->, 03:33:08.004 presentation and a public 5617 03:33:08,004, --> 03:33:10.005 hearing and then revisiting 5618 03:33:10,005 --> 03:33:11.023 those recommendations that a 5619 03:33:11,023 -->, 03:33:12.010, commission meeting..

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So, given 5620 03:33:12,010, --> 03:33:15.005 that we'd like to to continue 5621 03:33:15,005 --> 03:33:17.027 the discussion and move to 5622 03:33:17,027 --> 03:33:19.014 final voting on as many of the 5623 03:33:19,014 --> 03:33:21.023 recommendations as we can on 5624 03:33:21,023 --> 03:33:24.004 october 18th, we'll finish the 5625 03:33:24,004 --> 03:33:27.021 meeting with a hopefully a 5626 03:33:27,021 --> 03:33:28.023 presentation from someone from 5627 03:33:28,023 --> 03:33:29.015, the reimagining community, 5628 03:33:29,015, -->, 03:33:32.023 safety advisory group, where the 5629 03:33:32,023 --> 03:33:33.017 city clerk, is working on 5630 03:33:33,017, --> 03:33:35.018, confirming someone to present 5631 03:33:35,018 --> 03:33:38.013 on 18th, as requested by 5632 03:33:38,013 --> 03:33:40.011 commissioners and for the 5633 03:33:40,011 --> 03:33:42.003 public., but that is as of yet 5634 03:33:42,003 -->, 03:33:45.018 unconfirmed., so october, 18th 5635, 03:33:45,018, --> 03:33:46.012 is going to be a pretty 5636 03:33:46,012 --> 03:33:49.026 lengthy meeting has 5637 03:33:49,026 --> 03:33:50.029 mentioned october 25th..

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This 5638 03:33:50,029 --> 03:33:51.027 was the new study session that 5639 03:33:51,027 --> 03:33:54.025 was added topics that will be 5640.

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03:33:54,025 --> 03:33:59.005 considered are police, 5641, 03:33:59,005, -->, 03:34:02.002 oversight and possible 5642 03:34:02,002 --> 03:34:03.021 speakers on the topic of 5643 03:34:03,021 --> 03:34:06.014 climate change., the final 5644 03:34:06,014 --> 03:34:08.009 deadline for policing, municipal 5645, 03:34:08,009, -->, 03:34:09.018 accountability, including 5646 03:34:09,018 --> 03:34:10.011 recommendations will be on 5647 03:34:10,011, --> 03:34:12.008, friday, october 29th, ahead of 5648 03:34:12,008 --> 03:34:14.002 november 1st,, which is a full 5649 03:34:14,002 --> 03:34:16.009 commission meeting, which all 5650 03:34:16,009 --> 03:34:17.029.

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Those recommendations will be 5651, 03:34:17,029, --> 03:34:18.013, presented by commissioners from 5652 03:34:18,013 --> 03:34:21.013 that subcommittee november 6th, 5653 03:34:21,013 --> 03:34:23.021, as I said, is going to be a 5654 03:34:23,021 --> 03:34:24.022 public hearing where all of 5655 03:34:24,022 --> 03:34:26.000 those seem to explore.

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5656 03:34:26,000 -->, 03:34:28.013 accountability and inclusion, 5657 03:34:28,013 --> 03:34:29.006 recommend that recommendations, 5658 03:34:29,006 --> 03:34:31.007 be presented to the public 5659 03:34:31,007 --> 03:34:33.000, along with the two remaining 5660 03:34:33,000 --> 03:34:34.015 governance structure, 5661 03:34:34,015, -->, 03:34:35.008, recommendations on budget 5662, 03:34:35,008 -->, 03:34:39.013 equity and title 19, section 19, 5663, 03:34:39,013, --> 03:34:43.017, and on november 15th, they'll 5664, 03:34:43,017 --> 03:34:44.017 be discussion of the 5665 03:34:44,017 --> 03:34:45.000 recommendations presented 5666 03:34:45,000 --> 03:34:47.007 during the public hearing and 5667 03:34:47,007 --> 03:34:49.005 provisional voting that 5668 03:34:49,005 --> 03:34:54.023 leaves us on november 18th with 5669 03:34:54,023 --> 03:34:55.028.

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This says: additional review: 5670 03:34:55,028, --> 03:34:56.015 of previous recommendations to 5671 03:34:56,015 --> 03:34:58.004, prepare draft majority and 5672 03:34:58,004 --> 03:35:00.001 minority reports.. This is 5673 03:35:00,001, --> 03:35:02.016. Basically, the final voting on 5674 03:35:02,016, --> 03:35:05.007, any final recommendations and 5675 03:35:05,007 --> 03:35:10.000. We will have a draft report: 5676 03:35:10,000, --> 03:35:12.020, based on the the final 5677 03:35:12,020 --> 03:35:15.023 voting, or the recommendations 5678 03:35:15,023 --> 03:35:17.025 to be reviewed and approved by 5679 03:35:17,025 --> 03:35:18.029, the commission on november 5680.

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03:35:18,029 --> 03:35:20.004, twenty ninth, as mentioned 5681 03:35:20,004 --> 03:35:24.023 december 3rd, which is the 5682 03:35:24,023 --> 03:35:25.013 friday, following that monday 5683 03:35:25,013, --> 03:35:27.027 commission meeting is the final 5684 03:35:27,027 --> 03:35:28.013 deadline for the commission's 5685 03:35:28,013 --> 03:35:31.002 report.. So we are winding our 5686 03:35:31,002 --> 03:35:34.008 way towards the end of the 5687 03:35:34,008 --> 03:35:35.021 proceedings for for this 5688 03:35:35,021 --> 03:35:37.013 charter review, commission and 5689 03:35:37,013 --> 03:35:41.019. The schedule is pretty tight.

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5690 03:35:41,019, --> 03:35:42.008 I'll pause there and see if we 5691 03:35:42,008 --> 03:35:44.002 have any questions and I see a 5692 03:35:44,002 --> 03:35:47.027 hand from commissioner ometer. 5693 03:35:47,027 --> 03:35:48.020 yes, thank you.. I just have a 5694 03:35:48,020 --> 03:35:50.005 question about the reimaging 5695 03:35:50,005 --> 03:35:52.026, community safety, advisory group, 5696 03:35:52,026 -->, 03:35:53.026 presentation.. I thought we had 5697 03:35:53,026 --> 03:35:55.025 agreed that we were going to be 5698, 03:35:55,025, -->, 03:35:58.023 hearing them on november six 5699 03:35:58,023, --> 03:36:02.011 right after public comment.

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it 5700 03:36:02,011, --> 03:36:05.010 was the reason why that was 5701. 03:36:05,010 --> 03:36:07.008 move., I'm sorry. yeah.. Thank 5702, 03:36:07,008 --> 03:36:08.019 you for bringing that up.. We 5703 03:36:08,019, --> 03:36:09.024 did decide to move it up so 5704 03:36:09,024 --> 03:36:13.002 that the the input from that 5705 03:36:13,002 --> 03:36:15.026 advisory group could be 5706.

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03:36:15,026 --> 03:36:17.011, considered before the 5707 03:36:17,011 --> 03:36:19.006 recommendations from from the 5708 03:36:19,006 --> 03:36:20.001 third subcommittee were 5709 03:36:20,001 -->, 03:36:23.006 presented., so you know,, we've 5710 03:36:23,006 --> 03:36:24.029 heard that it's pretty critical, 5711 03:36:24,029 --> 03:36:26.006 that this commission hear from 5712 03:36:26,006 --> 03:36:29.026 from that group, and we felt 5713 03:36:29,026 --> 03:36:30.015 that hearing from them after 5714 03:36:30,015 --> 03:36:32.023 the initial recommendations, 5715 03:36:32,023 --> 03:36:35.023, were presented on november 1st, 5716 03:36:35,023, --> 03:36:37.014 you know, would be fine, but 5717 03:36:37,014, --> 03:36:41.025, potentially better to hear from 5718 03:36:41,025 --> 03:36:42.013 from that group, ask questions: 5719 03:36:42,013, -->, 03:36:45.014 of them before the third 5720 03:36:45,014 --> 03:36:47.003 subcommittee presents their 5721 03:36:47,003 --> 03:36:49.023 recommendations for for review, 5722 03:36:49,023 --> 03:36:51.016 boards..

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Can I just chime in 5723 03:36:51,016 --> 03:36:52.028, since I'm working with 5724 03:36:52,028, -->, 03:36:55.011 reimagining. So are they they 5725 03:36:55,011 --> 03:36:58.001 are actually they want to come. 5726 03:36:58,001, --> 03:37:00.028 on the sixth. They do not want 5727 03:37:00,028 --> 03:37:02.028 to come sooner., that is when 5728 03:37:02,028 --> 03:37:04.005. They are prepared to come and 5729 03:37:04,005 --> 03:37:06.003. There's a several reasons for 5730 03:37:06,003 --> 03:37:09.029 that. one is availability.

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5731 03:37:09,029 --> 03:37:10.022 they've already identified, who 5732 03:37:10,022 --> 03:37:12.013 the speakers are, at least one 5733, 03:37:12,013, -->, 03:37:14.000 of them, and also the second 5734 03:37:14,000 --> 03:37:16.024 is they're still working with 5735 03:37:16,024 --> 03:37:17.012 us on the recommended. So it's 5736, 03:37:17,012 -->, 03:37:20.020 kind of premature to bring them 5737, 03:37:20,020, --> 03:37:23.010 in prior to that., and so my 5738 03:37:23,010 --> 03:37:25.023.

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I've heard from them directly 5739 03:37:25,023, --> 03:37:27.023, and what I've heard from poncho, 5740, 03:37:27,023, -->, 03:37:30.015 and mika is november 6th and 5741 03:37:30,015 --> 03:37:32.022, not earlier.. I'm curious 5742, 03:37:32,022 --> 03:37:34.013, whether you consulted them at 5743, 03:37:34,013 -->, 03:37:36.022 least, I'm sure yeah.. We've 5744 03:37:36,022, --> 03:37:37.019 reached out to them to the city. 5745 03:37:37,019 --> 03:37:38.004 clerk which reached out but has 5746 03:37:38,004 --> 03:37:40.026, not heard at least last I've, 5747 03:37:40,026, --> 03:37:41.011 heard from her. I'll. Let her 5748 03:37:41,011 --> 03:37:43.017 respond..

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The other thing to 5749 03:37:43,017 --> 03:37:44.023 consider is that we did want 5750, 03:37:44,023 --> 03:37:45.020 this to be a conversation with 5751 03:37:45,020, --> 03:37:47.023 commissioners and the public 5752 03:37:47,023 --> 03:37:48.000, hearing format doesn't really 5753 03:37:48,000 --> 03:37:50.023 allow for a discussion with 5754 03:37:50,023 --> 03:37:51.028 commissioners,, you know,, really 5755 03:37:51,028 --> 03:37:53.001, intended to be to hear from 5756 03:37:53,001 --> 03:37:56.008, the public..

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So if commissioners 5757 03:37:56,008 --> 03:37:57.023 are interested in having a 5758 03:37:57,023 --> 03:37:58.010 conversation or asking 5759 03:37:58,010 --> 03:38:01.010 questions of reimagining 5760 03:38:01,010 --> 03:38:02.014, community safety, advisory, 5761, 03:38:02,014, -->, 03:38:03.019 group,, it's best to do it. 5762 03:38:03,019, --> 03:38:04.003. During a commission meeting at 5763, 03:38:04,003 -->, 03:38:06.003 least that's my sense in 5764, 03:38:06,003, --> 03:38:09.025, talking to toni, do if anything, 5765 03:38:09,025 --> 03:38:10.013 to share for we. Let's just 5766 03:38:10,013 --> 03:38:12.007.

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Let the city clerk speak to to 5767 03:38:12,007 --> 03:38:13.026, where we're at with that 5768 03:38:13,026 --> 03:38:15.006 conversation of angel rios 5769, 03:38:15,006, --> 03:38:17.008 and lee wilcockson,, the city 5770 03:38:17,008, -->, 03:38:18.008, manager's office.. I know 5771 03:38:18,008, --> 03:38:19.025 they're, having a meeting about 5772 03:38:19,025, --> 03:38:20.028, it tomorrow.. I have not 5773 03:38:20,028 --> 03:38:22.022 contacted the actual commission, 5774 03:38:22,022 --> 03:38:24.028. Normally I need commission 5775, 03:38:24,028 --> 03:38:26.029 response.. I contact the people, 5776 03:38:26,029 --> 03:38:28.018 in charge of the commission.

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If 5777 03:38:28,018, --> 03:38:31.004 you're, looking for specific 5778, 03:38:31,004 --> 03:38:33.013, commission members,, I did not 5779 03:38:33,013 --> 03:38:36.028 request that for the eighteenth, 5780 03:38:36,028 --> 03:38:37.008, but I know they're meeting to 5781 03:38:37,008 --> 03:38:39.028 talk about the request tomorrow: 5782 03:38:39,028 --> 03:38:40.003, so I can give them more details. 5783, 03:38:40,003, -->, 03:38:45.013 of what you're looking for. ok, 5784, 03:38:45,013, --> 03:38:47.021 so poncho is, is the one 5785 03:38:47,021 --> 03:38:48.018, coordinating with the thirty 5786 03:38:48,018 --> 03:38:50.003 groups..

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So I think it's really 5787 03:38:50,003 --> 03:38:52.026 important to actually get 5788 03:38:52,026 --> 03:38:53.028 community members, rather than 5789 03:38:53,028 --> 03:38:55.006 having someone from the 5790 03:38:55,006 --> 03:38:58.008 city,, a city employee, decide 5791 03:38:58,008 --> 03:38:59.021, who is going to speak for 5792 03:38:59,021, -->, 03:39:00.020 reimagining.. I think that'll 5793 03:39:00,020, --> 03:39:02.016 just make everyone angry.. I 5794 03:39:02,016, --> 03:39:04.020, think, let's let reimagining 5795 03:39:04,020 --> 03:39:06.020 tell us who's coming and let's 5796 03:39:06,020 --> 03:39:08.001.

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Let them decide which day works, 5797, 03:39:08,001, -->, 03:39:13.017 best for them., and when we had 5798 03:39:13,017 --> 03:39:16.007 said that it would be after the 5799, 03:39:16,007 --> 03:39:18.007 public comment. We really met 5800 03:39:18,007 --> 03:39:20.011 after they wouldn't get two 5801 03:39:20,011 --> 03:39:21.013 minutes each. We would wait 5802 03:39:21,013 --> 03:39:22.017, because public comment doesn't 5803. 03:39:22,017, --> 03:39:23.019 really take that long and the 5804 03:39:23,019 --> 03:39:24.012. Whole commission is going to be 5805, 03:39:24,012, -->, 03:39:26.025 here..

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So once public comment is 5806 03:39:26,025 --> 03:39:27.027 over then that would be a great 5807 03:39:27,027 --> 03:39:29.026 time for them to present and 5808 03:39:29,026 --> 03:39:30.021. They could potentially have 5809 03:39:30,021 --> 03:39:32.000 an hour or an hour and a half 5810 03:39:32,000 --> 03:39:34.014, because public comment doesn't 5811 03:39:34,014 --> 03:39:35.008 take long., so that was the 5812 03:39:35,008 --> 03:39:37.004 reason for doing it. After the 5813 03:39:37,004 --> 03:39:40.004 public hearing on november six 5814 03:39:40,004 --> 03:39:43.000 toni.

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can is that possible to 5815 03:39:43,000 --> 03:39:45.008 the can you speak to having a 5816 03:39:45,008 --> 03:39:48.006 public hearing where there's 5817 03:39:48,006 --> 03:39:49.016, I mean we have public 5818, 03:39:49,016, -->, 03:39:50.026 hearings and study sessions, 5819 03:39:50,026, --> 03:39:51.008, where we have presentations, 5820, 03:39:51,008, -->, 03:39:55.026 from outside agencies. ok,, so 5821, 03:39:55,026, --> 03:39:56.013. That's there's nothing! Nothing! 5822, 03:39:56,013, --> 03:39:59.029 wrong with that.

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Ok, that we 5823 03:39:59,029 --> 03:40:01.006 would have a study session and 5824 03:40:01,006 --> 03:40:04.023 a public hearing, not just a 5825 03:40:04,023 --> 03:40:07.012 public hearing on this 5826 03:40:07,012 --> 03:40:10.005 saturday, november 6th right 5827, 03:40:10,005, --> 03:40:12.007. When you can. yeah, it would be 5828 03:40:12,007, --> 03:40:15.021 agenda is that way. um just 5829 03:40:15,021 --> 03:40:16.000, so it's clear to the public, the 5830 03:40:16,000 --> 03:40:19.020 differential and why there's a 5831 03:40:19,020, --> 03:40:21.024, difference right.

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and with the 5832 03:40:21,024 --> 03:40:23.001 study session session happened: 5833, 03:40:23,001, --> 03:40:26.006, before or after the public 5834 03:40:26,006 --> 03:40:27.026 hearing. As far as timing is 5835, 03:40:27,026 -->, 03:40:29.018, concerned. well, mark may be 5836 03:40:29,018, --> 03:40:31.013 able to correct me, but you can 5837 03:40:31,013 --> 03:40:33.024 have a public hearing in which 5838 03:40:33,024 --> 03:40:36.006. There is a presentation that 5839 03:40:36,006 --> 03:40:38.023. You then are asking the public 5840 03:40:38,023 --> 03:40:39.028 to talk about., so I don't know 5841 03:40:39,028 --> 03:40:40.004.

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If we necessarily need to call 5842 03:40:40,004 --> 03:40:42.016, it study session and public 5843 03:40:42,016 --> 03:40:45.003 hearing or just special meeting 5844 03:40:45,003 --> 03:40:47.025, that has a public hearing in 5845, 03:40:47,025, -->, 03:40:48.020 it., but I'll work with mark to 5846 03:40:48,020 --> 03:40:50.026 make sure we call it something: 5847 03:40:50,026 --> 03:40:53.028, that's clear to the public. ok, 5848 03:40:53,028, -->, 03:40:55.002, I'll, move. This then down to 5849 03:40:55,002 --> 03:41:06.018, the sixth.. There we go see: 5850 03:41:06,018, --> 03:41:11.000. Commissioner matsumura, thank 5851, 03:41:11,000 -->, 03:41:15.008 you., a few questions.

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one is 5852 03:41:15,008, --> 03:41:16.011! There's one thing: I think I 5853 03:41:16,011 --> 03:41:17.026, misunderstood you about., I'm 5854 03:41:17,026, --> 03:41:19.019, just confirming I thought. You'd 5855 03:41:19,019 --> 03:41:22.025, said for october 18th that we 5856 03:41:22,025 --> 03:41:25.016, would get through as the final 5857 03:41:25,016 --> 03:41:28.017 voting on as many elections and 5858 03:41:28,017 -->, 03:41:29.004 governance structure, 5859, 03:41:29,004, -->, 03:41:31.005 recommendations as possible.

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5860, 03:41:31,005, --> 03:41:32.005, but looking at the calendar, I 5861 03:41:32,005, --> 03:41:33.003 think we need to get through 5862, 03:41:33,003, --> 03:41:35.008, all of them on that night. 5863 03:41:35,008, --> 03:41:36.002. According to the current work, 5864 03:41:36,002 --> 03:41:38.003 plan is that yeah.. Well, when 5865 03:41:38,003 --> 03:41:39.017, I say that I mean that there's 5866 03:41:39,017 --> 03:41:40.028 two that have not we're not 5867 03:41:40,028 --> 03:41:41.006 finished by the subcommittee in 5868 03:41:41,006, -->, 03:41:44.018 time to be able to be presented.

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5869 03:41:44,018, --> 03:41:45.024 at a full commission meeting, 5870 03:41:45,024 --> 03:41:46.017 heard at a public hearing and 5871 03:41:46,017 --> 03:41:47.018 then brought back for 5872 03:41:47,018 --> 03:41:48.025 discussion of provisional 5873 03:41:48,025 --> 03:41:50.020 voting.. So there are two 5874 03:41:50,020 --> 03:41:53.016 additional governance. What I'm 5875 03:41:53,016 --> 03:41:54.008, calling here remaining 5876 03:41:54,008 -->, 03:41:55.018 governance structure, 5877 03:41:55,018 --> 03:41:57.000 recommendations that we will 5878 03:41:57,000 --> 03:41:59.006 not be able to do final voting, 5879 03:41:59,006, --> 03:42:01.011 on during the october 18th, but 5880 03:42:01,011, --> 03:42:02.012.

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The intention here is to do 5881, 03:42:02,012, -->, 03:42:03.012 final voting on all of the 5882 03:42:03,012 --> 03:42:04.018 voting and election and 5883 03:42:04,018 --> 03:42:05.016 governance structure. 5884 03:42:05,016, --> 03:42:06.009 recommended actions that have 5885 03:42:06,009 --> 03:42:08.025 been heard up to this point., so 5886 03:42:08,025, --> 03:42:10.013. That would be.

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We did final 5887 03:42:10,013 --> 03:42:12.015 voting on the timing of mayoral 5888 03:42:12,015 --> 03:42:13.016 elections, so that would lead 5889 03:42:13,016 --> 03:42:15.004, three more from the original 5890 03:42:15,004 --> 03:42:17.026, four from voting in an election 5891 03:42:17,026, -->, 03:42:18.011 subcommittee and then the four 5892 03:42:18,011 --> 03:42:22.011 that we heard tonight. well,, 5893, 03:42:22,011, --> 03:42:23.010 actually did all of them move 5894, 03:42:23,010, -->, 03:42:27.028 forward?.

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It's been a long 5895 03:42:27,028, -->, 03:42:28.000, meeting., yes,, all of them., all 5896 03:42:28,000, -->, 03:42:31.002 of them then move forward so 5897 03:42:31,002, --> 03:42:33.024. We would hear those four 5898 03:42:33,024 --> 03:42:34.002 recommendations on the 18th. 5899 03:42:34,002 --> 03:42:38.023 ok, thank you. second question 5900 03:42:38,023, --> 03:42:41.017 was so in addition to 5901 03:42:41,017 --> 03:42:44.028, finalizing the memos. I I would 5902 03:42:44,028 --> 03:42:47.003.

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Imagine that the final majority 5903 03:42:47,003 -->, 03:42:49.021 and potentially minority 5904 03:42:49,021 --> 03:42:50.024 reports would actually look 5905, 03:42:50,024, --> 03:42:51.007, pretty different from the memo 5906 03:42:51,007, -->, 03:42:54.015 format and so just confirming 5907 03:42:54,015 --> 03:42:55.028 that those november meetings, 5908 03:42:55,028 --> 03:42:56.006, are going to be our opportunity. 5909 03:42:56,006, --> 03:43:00.025, to talk really dig into the 5910 03:43:00,025 --> 03:43:01.008 language of the actual final 5911 03:43:01,008 --> 03:43:03.016 report., is that correct? and I 5912 03:43:03,016 --> 03:43:04.026 do have one other quick, 5913, 03:43:04,026 --> 03:43:08.002 question. yeah,.

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We were 5914 03:43:08,002, --> 03:43:10.021, where we've landed right now, 5915 03:43:10,021, --> 03:43:15.021 with the calendar, is our 5916 03:43:15,021 --> 03:43:18.012 approach here is to take the 5917 03:43:18,012 --> 03:43:21.026 recommendations., the final 5918 03:43:21,026 --> 03:43:22.000 recommendation that are voted. 5919 03:43:22,000 --> 03:43:26.027 on and incorporate those into a 5920 03:43:26,027 --> 03:43:27.015 report and use the language 5921 03:43:27,015 --> 03:43:29.016 from the the the 5922 03:43:29,016 --> 03:43:30.004 recommendations that were voted.

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5923, 03:43:30,004, --> 03:43:32.007 on by the commission and final 5924 03:43:32,007 --> 03:43:35.019 voting along with the 5925 03:43:35,019 --> 03:43:38.009 materials that references 5926, 03:43:38,009, -->, 03:43:40.023 research, otherwise, and include 5927 03:43:40,023 -->, 03:43:42.003 that in the various appendices, 5928 03:43:42,003, --> 03:43:47.017. We, as mentioned the I think, 5929 03:43:47,017, --> 03:43:49.008, what it what it probably looks, 5930 03:43:49,008 --> 03:43:51.022 like is that between november 5931, 03:43:51,022, -->, 03:43:53.026, 18th and november 29th, we will 5932 03:43:53,026 --> 03:43:55.011, compile that final report, 5933 03:43:55,011 --> 03:43:57.006 for review and get that out.

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5934 03:43:57,006 --> 03:43:58.011 of the commissioners as early 5935, 03:43:58,011 --> 03:44:00.000 as possible to look at and then 5936 03:44:00,000 --> 03:44:02.004 have the discussion about the 5937 03:44:02,004 --> 03:44:04.003.

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The final report on november 5938 03:44:04,003 --> 03:44:09.016 29th., we're you know, as 5939 03:44:09,016 --> 03:44:11.020 mentioned the the the public 5940 03:44:11,020 --> 03:44:13.027 hearing and the extension of 5941 03:44:13,027 --> 03:44:14.022 the study sessions for the 5942 03:44:14,022 -->, 03:44:15.023, policing and municipal 5943 03:44:15,023 -->, 03:44:16.016 accountability, inclusion, 5944, 03:44:16,016, -->, 03:44:19.021, subcommittee., well,, and also 5945 03:44:19,021 --> 03:44:21.007, the the we had originally a 5946 03:44:21,007 --> 03:44:25.029 public hearing on on a 5947 03:44:25,029 --> 03:44:26.005 public review of a final report. 5948 03:44:26,005 -->, 03:44:28.003 ..

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We had to cancel that public 5949 03:44:28,003 --> 03:44:31.019 hearing earlier on in the 5950 03:44:31,019 --> 03:44:34.028 calendar because of some some 5951 03:44:34,028 --> 03:44:36.010 of the the deliberations and 5952 03:44:36,010 --> 03:44:42.024 our desires of the commission, 5953 03:44:42,024 --> 03:44:43.015. As far as reworking the 5954 03:44:43,015 --> 03:44:47.027 calendar, so that the 5955 03:44:47,027 --> 03:44:50.024 commission will see the wait. 5956 03:44:50,024 --> 03:44:51.026 list. We had way we have to 5957 03:44:51,026 --> 03:44:52.016 work plan.

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Now the commission, 5958 03:44:52,016 --> 03:44:55.007, will see a draft final report, 5959 03:44:55,007 --> 03:44:57.026 at the very least with the 5960 03:44:57,026 --> 03:45:00.018, the the charter, and this has 5961 03:45:00,018 --> 03:45:01.014 been brought up., but I think 5962 03:45:01,014 --> 03:45:03.017 we're talking about two types: 5963 03:45:03,017 --> 03:45:05.006 of recommendations, here.

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one 5964 03:45:05,006 --> 03:45:08.015 is the charter revision, 5965 03:45:08,015 --> 03:45:09.008, recommendations that have been 5966, 03:45:09,008, -->, 03:45:11.024, voted on by commissioners, 5967, 03:45:11,024, -->, 03:45:13.011 and there's another group of 5968 03:45:13,011 --> 03:45:15.012 policy recommendations or other 5969 03:45:15,012 --> 03:45:19.028 items to consider. so by the 5970 03:45:19,028 --> 03:45:21.011 29th, those with enough time 5971, 03:45:21,011, --> 03:45:23.018 for commissioners to review 5972 03:45:23,018, --> 03:45:24.016.

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Those two groups will be 5973: 03:45:24,016, --> 03:45:26.022, compiled into a draft for 5974 03:45:26,022, -->, 03:45:27.006 review and discussion on the 5975 03:45:27,006 --> 03:45:32.023, twenty ninth. ok, thank you., 5976, 03:45:32,023, -->, 03:45:36.026 and and in light of that for my 5977 03:45:36,026 --> 03:45:37.003. My final question and 5978 03:45:37,003 --> 03:45:39.007. Unfortunately, I meant to raise 5979 03:45:39,007 --> 03:45:40.007 is at the last meeting and just 5980 03:45:40,007 --> 03:45:42.016 failed to do so.

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I wanted to see 5981 03:45:42,016 --> 03:45:44.010 if it would be possible to get 5982 03:45:44,010 --> 03:45:46.015, updated public outreach, 5983, 03:45:46,015, -->, 03:45:49.008 materials unless mistaken, 5984, 03:45:49,008, -->, 03:45:51.000, entirely possible., the last 5985 03:45:51,000 --> 03:45:54.018 public outreach materials that 5986 03:45:54,018 --> 03:45:55.015. I have civic makers and 5987 03:45:55,015 --> 03:45:57.005 partners put a lot of work into 5988 03:45:57,005 --> 03:46:00.001, creating were several months: 5989 03:46:00,001 --> 03:46:02.021 ago.

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well,, when we were 5990 03:46:02,021, --> 03:46:03.014, describing all of these 5991 03:46:03,014 --> 03:46:05.007 concepts, sort of in the 5992 03:46:05,007 --> 03:46:08.027, abstract in relation to the 5993 03:46:08,027 --> 03:46:09.025 direction from city council,, 5994, 03:46:09,025, --> 03:46:11.023.

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We've got some very concrete: 5995 03:46:11,023 --> 03:46:14.000 proposals now, which we've been 5996, 03:46:14,000 --> 03:46:16.012, hearing from the public for 5997 03:46:16,012, --> 03:46:17.002, quite a while and fellow 5998 03:46:17,002 --> 03:46:19.004 commissioners, that that's what 5999 03:46:19,004 --> 03:46:21.023 the public is, is potentially 6000 03:46:21,023 --> 03:46:22.004, going to be the more responsive, 6001, 03:46:22,004, -->, 03:46:25.016 and more galvanized by then 6002 03:46:25,016, --> 03:46:27.021, then our materials to date., so 6003 03:46:27,021, --> 03:46:31.003, especially given that we can't 6004 03:46:31,003 --> 03:46:33.016 having this last public hearing, 6005 03:46:33,016 --> 03:46:34.029 that you just referenced, 6006 03:46:34,029, -->, 03:46:36.005 lawrence,.

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It seems especially 6007 03:46:36,005 --> 03:46:38.019 important that we would have 6008 03:46:38,019 --> 03:46:40.004, updated materials.. I also 6009 03:46:40,004 --> 03:46:43.028, remember that we received a 6010 03:46:43,028 --> 03:46:43.000 letter from the 6011 03:46:43,000 --> 03:46:45.024 african-american community 6012, 03:46:45,024 --> 03:46:47.011 services agency, talking about 6013 03:46:47,011, --> 03:46:50.011 concerns with me and making 6014 03:46:50,011 --> 03:46:52.017 sure that there were going to 6015 03:46:52,017 --> 03:46:53.026, be opportunities for the public 6016 03:46:53,026 --> 03:46:54.001 to really be engaged.. So we get 6017 03:46:54,001 --> 03:46:57.004 into final decision making.

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I 6018 03:46:57,004 --> 03:46:58.008 think we need to let the public 6019, 03:46:58,008, --> 03:47:01.026, know what we're thinking about 6020 03:47:01,026 --> 03:47:02.023 in in really high quality and 6021 03:47:02,023 --> 03:47:04.021, accessible materials and make 6022 03:47:04,021 --> 03:47:06.028 sure that if our big chances, 6023 03:47:06,028 --> 03:47:07.023 are going to be these remaining 6024 03:47:07,023 --> 03:47:10.026 meetings and especially those 6025 03:47:10,026 --> 03:47:11.003 meetings in november, when 6026 03:47:11,003, --> 03:47:13.026 everything comes together that 6027 03:47:13,026 --> 03:47:15.026 we've done a good job with our 6028 03:47:15,026 --> 03:47:17.022 partners of making very clear, 6029 03:47:17,022 --> 03:47:19.003 to the public.

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What is on the 6030 03:47:19,003 --> 03:47:22.023 table is that is that going to 6031 03:47:22,023 --> 03:47:26.012 be possible that I could 6032 03:47:26,012 --> 03:47:29.011 talk to the city clerk about 6033, 03:47:29,011, --> 03:47:30.020. What the rest of the calendar, 6034, 03:47:30,020, --> 03:47:31.028, looks like,. What the budget 6035 03:47:31,028 --> 03:47:35.018 looks. Like?. We have updated the 6036 03:47:35,018 --> 03:47:37.024, the promotional tool kit based 6037 03:47:37,024 --> 03:47:39.021 on the the latest revision to 6038 03:47:39,021 --> 03:47:41.017, the public hearing schedule. 6039 03:47:41,017 --> 03:47:43.005.

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I'd have to talk to to to 6040 03:47:43,005 --> 03:47:45.001 toni about what's possible as 6041 03:47:45,001 --> 03:47:47.017 far as additional 6042 03:47:47,017 --> 03:47:49.016, promotional materials to be 6043, 03:47:49,016, -->, 03:47:50.010, quite frank., you know,, it's 6044, 03:47:50,010 --> 03:47:53.005, going to be pretty heavy 6045 03:47:53,005 --> 03:47:55.010 lift for us to to pull the 6046 03:47:55,010 --> 03:47:57.018 final report together, while 6047 03:47:57,018 --> 03:47:58.015 doing some of the additional 6048 03:47:58,015 --> 03:47:59.002 research requests that have 6049 03:47:59,002 --> 03:48:03.008 come in from subcommittees., so 6050 03:48:03,008, --> 03:48:04.029, we'll we'll see what we can do: 6051 03:48:04,029 --> 03:48:05.017, but appreciate the reminder: 6052 03:48:05,017, --> 03:48:12.004 about that.

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commissioner,. I 6053 03:48:12,004 --> 03:48:14.021 can't really have an order here: 6054 03:48:14,021, --> 03:48:15.001, but commissioner personnel 6055, 03:48:15,001, -->, 03:48:17.002. First of all, and then fuentes, 6056, 03:48:17,002, --> 03:48:21.027, thanks lawrence and earlier 6057 03:48:21,027 --> 03:48:23.027 you're.

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Talking about the voting 6058 03:48:23,027, --> 03:48:25.001 and election government's 6059 03:48:25,001 --> 03:48:27.019 recommendations., I believe we 6060 03:48:27,019 --> 03:48:29.010 had the we originally were: 6061 03:48:29,010 --> 03:48:33.011, discussing the council district 6062, 03:48:33,011 --> 03:48:36.025 size, and then that was put over 6063 03:48:36,025 --> 03:48:38.020 on the governing structure, 6064 03:48:38,020, --> 03:48:40.023 subcommittee, so that maybe one 6065 03:48:40,023 --> 03:48:43.029. That's no longer on on that 6066 03:48:43,029 --> 03:48:45.021 committee, because I think 6067 03:48:45,021 --> 03:48:47.003 you're asking is therefore 6068. 03:48:47,003 --> 03:48:49.010.

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There may still be four: I'm 6069, 03:48:49,010, --> 03:48:50.011 sure the total, but that was one 6070 03:48:50,011 --> 03:48:51.011 that we were originally dealing. 6071 03:48:51,011, --> 03:48:53.008 with that we wouldn't be any 6072 03:48:53,008 --> 03:48:58.017 more. vice chair johnson, can 6073 03:48:58,017 --> 03:49:00.015. You speak to that particular 6074, 03:49:00,015 --> 03:49:04.014 recommendation and the one 6075 03:49:04,014 --> 03:49:06.026 about the adding council seat? 6076 03:49:06,026 --> 03:49:09.027 is that correct? right. well, 6077 03:49:09,027 --> 03:49:11.007.

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What we talked about tonight- 6078 03:49:11,007, -->, 03:49:13.015 yeah., so that would be one of 6079 03:49:13,015 --> 03:49:17.003, the ones that that would be 6080 03:49:17,003 --> 03:49:20.020 discussed in the the on the 6081 03:49:20,020 --> 03:49:23.005 18th and, as we talked excuse me, 6082 03:49:23,005, --> 03:49:25.013, as we talked about the the hope, 6083 03:49:25,013 --> 03:49:27.015, is that the governance 6084 03:49:27,015 --> 03:49:28.029 structure subcommittee is able 6085 03:49:28,029 --> 03:49:31.002 to do any additional research, 6086, 03:49:31,002, --> 03:49:35.000, and that the the memo from city 6087, 03:49:35,000, -->, 03:49:38.017 clerk on the redistricting 6088 03:49:38,017 --> 03:49:40.018 commission's role can inform 6089 03:49:40,018 --> 03:49:43.014.

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What that final, revised 6090 03:49:43,014 --> 03:49:45.023 recommendation looks like for 6091 03:49:45,023, -->, 03:49:46.000 final discussion of voting on 6092 03:49:46,000, --> 03:49:50.015, the 18th. ok, that that 6093 03:49:50,015, --> 03:49:52.025, clear ok., yeah and then it's 6094, 03:49:52,025 --> 03:49:53.010 also come to my attention that 6095 03:49:53,010 --> 03:49:55.013, the policing, the municipal law, 6096 03:49:55,013, -->, 03:49:57.027 and accountability. Inclusion, 6097, 03:49:57,027, -->, 03:49:59.007 subcommittee dealing with lots, 6098 03:49:59,007, --> 03:50:01.002 of lots of important issues.

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6099 03:50:01,002 --> 03:50:02.008, which we'll be hearing about 6100 03:50:02,008 --> 03:50:04.018 and have heard about other than 6101 03:50:04,018 --> 03:50:05.005 other issues that the public 6102 03:50:05,005 --> 03:50:07.014, has either commented here or 6103 03:50:07,014 --> 03:50:09.026. The subcommittee that that 6104 03:50:09,026 --> 03:50:10.027 subcommittee is interested in 6105 03:50:10,027, -->, 03:50:12.019 continuing to see work on one 6106, 03:50:12,019 --> 03:50:14.028 of those was admittedly a big 6107 03:50:14,028 --> 03:50:17.018 topic that has been brought up.

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6108 03:50:17,018 --> 03:50:20.004 here dealing with artificial 6109, 03:50:20,004 -->, 03:50:22.009 intelligence and machine 6110, 03:50:22,009, -->, 03:50:25.005 learning policies and the idea 6111 03:50:25,005, --> 03:50:28.023 here would be to see if there 6112, 03:50:28,023, --> 03:50:30.001 would be support for not the 6113 03:50:30,001 --> 03:50:32.012 subcommittee to work on that 6114 03:50:32,012 --> 03:50:35.016, but in this case myself to look 6115 03:50:35,016, --> 03:50:37.018 at that issue, read about and 6116 03:50:37,018 --> 03:50:38.025 study it for a couple of weeks, 6117 03:50:38,025 --> 03:50:39.009, with the idea that potentially 6118 03:50:39,009 --> 03:50:41.011, bringing on november 1st there 6119 03:50:41,011 --> 03:50:43.027 support from the subcommittee 6120 03:50:43,027 --> 03:50:44.013 to discuss a policy 6121 03:50:44,013 --> 03:50:46.015 recommendation, not not a 6122 03:50:46,015 --> 03:50:49.023 charter, commission change, 6123 03:50:49,023, -->, 03:50:50.002 related to those topics in 6124, 03:50:50,002, -->, 03:50:54.000, connection to the city law and 6125 03:50:54,000 --> 03:50:56.001 policy, specifically things 6126, 03:50:56,001, --> 03:51:01.026 around future of work, policing, 6127, 03:51:01,026, -->, 03:51:02.005, civil rights,, these kind of big 6128, 03:51:02,005, --> 03:51:06.019 topics, but not to be delved.

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6129 03:51:06,019 --> 03:51:07.026 deep into those issues but 6130 03:51:07,026 --> 03:51:08.024. Maybe a policy recommendation, 6131 03:51:08,024, --> 03:51:10.000 that the city council looks at 6132, 03:51:10,000 --> 03:51:14.002 those issues in the future, so 6133 03:51:14,002, --> 03:51:16.024. We don't have time to go deep, 6134 03:51:16,024, --> 03:51:16.023 into those issues.

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that is 6135, 03:51:16,023, -->, 03:51:18.022, admittedly a huge topic, but it 6136, 03:51:18,022, --> 03:51:20.005 does seem to be a concern and 6137 03:51:20,005 --> 03:51:22.027 of interest to community 6138, 03:51:22,027, -->, 03:51:24.013 members and given the workplan 6139 03:51:24,013, -->, 03:51:26.028 here,, there's of course, no time 6140, 03:51:26,028 --> 03:51:28.012 to delve deep into those topics: 6141 03:51:28,012 --> 03:51:32.001, but to have at least some 6142 03:51:32,001 --> 03:51:35.020 effort by this commission to 6143 03:51:35,020 --> 03:51:36.024 make a policy recommendation.

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6144, 03:51:36,024, --> 03:51:37.021, potentially to the council, 6145 03:51:37,021 --> 03:51:38.012 about how to deal with those 6146 03:51:38,012 --> 03:51:40.018 issues in the future., so I'd 6147, 03:51:40,018, --> 03:51:42.020 like to just have any any 6148 03:51:42,020 --> 03:51:47.020 feedback on on that.. I think, as 6149 03:51:47,020 --> 03:51:48.002 mentioned, that there are going 6150, 03:51:48,002, --> 03:51:50.004 to be policy recommendations, 6151, 03:51:50,004, -->, 03:51:51.005 and other topics to be 6152. 03:51:51,005, -->, 03:51:52.008 considered that will be 6153 03:51:52,008 --> 03:51:55.028 included in the final report.

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6154 03:51:55,028, --> 03:51:57.003 and I think that's good., my 6155 03:51:57,003 --> 03:52:00.008 only concern would be that we 6156 03:52:00,008 --> 03:52:02.016 prioritize the the charter, 6157 03:52:02,016, -->, 03:52:05.016 revisions that this commission 6158 03:52:05,016 --> 03:52:07.027, has been charged with bringing 6159 03:52:07,027 --> 03:52:08.027 forward to the council by 6160 03:52:08,027 --> 03:52:10.014 virtue of its name..

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Now there 6161, 03:52:10,014 --> 03:52:12.026 are other additional measures: 6162 03:52:12,026 --> 03:52:13.016 that have been mentioned in the 6163 03:52:13,016 --> 03:52:16.011 memo creating the commission 6164 03:52:16,011 --> 03:52:18.001, which is, is also good., but 6165 03:52:18,001, -->, 03:52:22.021 again,.

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I just I would ask that 6166 03:52:22,021 --> 03:52:26.027, the commission, be judicious at 6167, 03:52:26,027 --> 03:52:27.012, this point about what 6168 03:52:27,012 --> 03:52:29.008 issues get taken on and how it 6169 03:52:29,008 --> 03:52:34.025 happens just so that we can not 6170 03:52:34,025 --> 03:52:36.023 hemorrhage the time for the 6171 03:52:36,023 --> 03:52:39.011, the the conversation of I 6172, 03:52:39,011 --> 03:52:41.002 think it's going to be a pretty 6173 03:52:41,002 --> 03:52:43.011, broad slate of issues coming 6174 03:52:43,011, --> 03:52:45.005 from the final subcommittee, 6175 03:52:45,005, --> 03:52:48.024, and issues that are of deep and 6176 03:52:48,024 --> 03:52:51.011 broad interest to the 6177 03:52:51,011 --> 03:52:53.007 community..

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So that's my 6178 03:52:53,007 --> 03:52:54.014 initial thoughts.. I don't know 6179 03:52:54,014 --> 03:52:55.009. If the chair has anything to 6180, 03:52:55,009, --> 03:52:57.006, add to to commissioner 6181 03:52:57,006 --> 03:53:02.025 percival's, inquiry. no,, I would 6182 03:53:02,025 --> 03:53:03.009 agree.. I think there may be 6183 03:53:03,009 --> 03:53:05.001 other policy recommendations, 6184 03:53:05,001, --> 03:53:07.018 that can come towards the end. 6185 03:53:07,018 --> 03:53:08.011 in terms of things that were 6186 03:53:08,011, --> 03:53:09.025.

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Just in terms of 6187 03:53:09,025 --> 03:53:10.005 recommendations that are not in 6188 03:53:10,005, --> 03:53:13.011 the charter, but really that we 6189 03:53:13,011 --> 03:53:15.009 prioritize the requests that 6190 03:53:15,009 --> 03:53:17.019. The council gave us, which was 6191 03:53:17,019, --> 03:53:18.027, to really speak to the changes: 6192 03:53:18,027 --> 03:53:20.000 and provisions in the charter. 6193, 03:53:20,000, -->, 03:53:22.000, so commission, first of all,, if 6194 03:53:22,000, --> 03:53:23.025, you want to do that. Research, 6195, 03:53:23,025, --> 03:53:24.000 and come back with the memo. A 6196, 03:53:24,000 -->, 03:53:26.022 policy.

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Recommendation, you 6197, 03:53:26,022, --> 03:53:27.026 could do that., there's a time 6198 03:53:27,026 --> 03:53:28.009 when we're going to discuss all 6199, 03:53:28,009 --> 03:53:30.022 of those towards in the 6200 03:53:30,022 --> 03:53:32.002 november and after the november 6201 03:53:32,002 -->, 03:53:35.000, six meeting., but again, we 6202 03:53:35,000 --> 03:53:37.001 really want to prioritize the 6203 03:53:37,001 --> 03:53:39.018 charter revisions and give them 6204 03:53:39,018 --> 03:53:44.011 the most time that helpful. 6205 03:53:44,011 --> 03:53:47.009, is that clear? yeah,, no right. 6206 03:53:47,009 --> 03:53:51.004. I mean at all, certainly the 6207 03:53:51,004 -->.

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03:53:53.003 would like to hear from the 6208 03:53:53,003 --> 03:53:55.014 subcommittee members as well on 6209 03:53:55,014, --> 03:53:58.007, the november date, where they're 6210, 03:53:58,007 --> 03:54:01.008, bringing their recommendations, 6211 03:54:01,008, -->, 03:54:02.004 or discussing their 6212 03:54:02,004 --> 03:54:05.016 recommendations.. I do write and 6213 03:54:05,016 --> 03:54:06.026. I understand that the policy 6214 03:54:06,026 --> 03:54:07.004 recommendations.

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It does does 6215 03:54:07,004 --> 03:54:10.013, make sense to to in the final 6216 03:54:10,013 --> 03:54:11.027 report to put those sort of 6217 03:54:11,027 --> 03:54:12.021 together and to get a sense of 6218 03:54:12,021 --> 03:54:14.018, what we have., but we're working 6219 03:54:14,018 --> 03:54:15.000 with what's what's going to be 6220 03:54:15,000 -->, 03:54:17.015 included., but as far as timing, 6221 03:54:17,015 --> 03:54:20.006. I would like to hear from 6222 03:54:20,006 --> 03:54:23.003 others as well.

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If you have some 6223 03:54:23,003 --> 03:54:25.003 comments, I see commissioners 6224 03:54:25,003 -->, 03:54:28.008, cigaret and siegel from the 6225 03:54:28,008 --> 03:54:29.016, the policing is law. 6226 03:54:29,016 --> 03:54:30.003 subcommittee give a sense of 6227 03:54:30,003 --> 03:54:32.015, how many recommendations you'll 6228, 03:54:32,015 --> 03:54:33.015, be representing at least 6229 03:54:33,015, -->, 03:54:36.022 ballpark, so far.. Thank you, 6230 03:54:36,022, --> 03:54:38.028 for that question. Just in 6231, 03:54:38,028, -->, 03:54:41.021, fairness to you., so my my 6232 03:54:41,021 --> 03:54:43.023 understanding recently was that 6233 03:54:43,023 --> 03:54:44.025.

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If we have things that are 6234, 03:54:44,025, -->, 03:54:47.009 recommendations and not charter 6235 03:54:47,009 --> 03:54:49.007 changes that we still have to 6236 03:54:49,007 --> 03:54:51.023 have a vote on them. there. 6237 03:54:51,023, --> 03:54:52.015 still has to be public comment: 6238, 03:54:52,015, --> 03:54:54.025 on them.. We still get to change, 6239 03:54:54,025, -->, 03:54:56.002 them..

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It all is subject to a 6240, 03:54:56,002 --> 03:54:58.018 vote, which is exactly what 6241 03:54:58,018 --> 03:54:59.007 happened today with 6242 03:54:59,007 --> 03:55:02.020, commissioner marksman's 6243 03:55:02,020 --> 03:55:03.029 recommendations, which is I 6244, 03:55:03,029, -->, 03:55:04.019, think for policy and not a 6245 03:55:04,019 --> 03:55:06.029 charter change.. It's just that 6246 03:55:06,029 --> 03:55:08.023 people come back and look at it. 6247 03:55:08,023 --> 03:55:10.010 at a later date..

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It's a policy 6248 03:55:10,010, -->, 03:55:13.014 and so we're just asking for 6249 03:55:13,014 --> 03:55:15.003 the same consideration since we 6250 03:55:15,003 --> 03:55:17.008 are being asked to get a vote: 6251 03:55:17,008, --> 03:55:20.016 on it, we would like to it is a 6252 03:55:20,016 --> 03:55:21.010 policy recommendation, 6253 03:55:21,010, -->, 03:55:23.008, potentially, and so we don't 6254 03:55:23,008 --> 03:55:25.000, mind sharing our november 6255 03:55:25,000 --> 03:55:27.012 1st, with garrett.

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First of all, 6256 03:55:27,012 --> 03:55:29.014, because then there could be a 6257 03:55:29,014, --> 03:55:31.028 public hearing on it, which is 6258, 03:55:31,028, -->, 03:55:34.001, what's recommended. and also 6259 03:55:34,001 --> 03:55:38.004 maria fuentes has another topic: 6260 03:55:38,004 --> 03:55:39.025 that we've passed on to her 6261 03:55:39,025 --> 03:55:40.002 that we absolutely want. it has 6262 03:55:40,002, --> 03:55:43.006, it's related to policing and so 6263 03:55:43,006 --> 03:55:44.025. We definitely want that to 6264 03:55:44,025 --> 03:55:45.002 be heard on november 1st, as 6265 03:55:45,002 --> 03:55:51.024 well. great.

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chris, your as you 6266 03:55:51,024 --> 03:55:58.021, head up., yes,, let's see., I just 6267 03:55:58,021 --> 03:56:02.027 wanted to comment on the phase. 6268 03:56:02,027 --> 03:56:08.001 three and I hope.

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Well, I don't 6269 03:56:08,001 --> 03:56:11.015, know for sure what type of 6270 03:56:11,015 --> 03:56:16.024 interest and community 6271 03:56:16,024 --> 03:56:18.026 comments will come to the full 6272 03:56:18,026 --> 03:56:22.029 report., but I want to request 6273 03:56:22,029 --> 03:56:26.006 that both the november 18th and 6274 03:56:26,006 --> 03:56:28.021 the november twenty ninth 6275 03:56:28,021 --> 03:56:32.018 meeting be extended meetings, 6276, 03:56:32,018, --> 03:56:37.009, because I I think that that our 6277 03:56:37,009 --> 03:56:40.017 commission, with all the work 6278 03:56:40,017 --> 03:56:41.005, that's important work that 6279 03:56:41,005 --> 03:56:44.019 we've been doing,.

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I think that 6280 03:56:44,019 --> 03:56:46.007, our commission, should 6281 03:56:46,007 --> 03:56:51.026 release a a draft report in a 6282 03:56:51,026 --> 03:56:53.000, timely way, so that our 6283 03:56:53,000 --> 03:56:56.002 community, you know, our city, 6284 03:56:56,002, --> 03:56:58.019, has a chance to look at what 6285 03:56:58,019 --> 03:56:59.000 we're recommending, to look at 6286, 03:56:59,000, --> 03:57:02.007, what we're doing as a whole 6287 03:57:02,007, --> 03:57:04.000, because we've had and we're 6288 03:57:04,000 --> 03:57:06.022 continuing to have a number of 6289 03:57:06,022 --> 03:57:10.016 meetings and there you know,, 6290 03:57:10,016, --> 03:57:12.026.

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I mean each meeting that we 6291 03:57:12,026 --> 03:57:13.020 have or you have a public 6292 03:57:13,020 --> 03:57:15.017 hearing,.

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We only have a certain 6293 03:57:15,017 --> 03:57:18.017 topic, and I think it would 6294 03:57:18,017 --> 03:57:20.011 be good for our community to 6295 03:57:20,011, --> 03:57:24.000, heal to see the full report and 6296 03:57:24,000 --> 03:57:26.019 see how it looks with 6297, 03:57:26,019 --> 03:57:28.009 everything together and comment: 6298 03:57:28,009 --> 03:57:31.018 on it., and it seems that the 6299 03:57:31,018 --> 03:57:32.002 only times that they'd be able 6300 03:57:32,002 --> 03:57:34.013 to do it is on november, the 6301 03:57:34,013 --> 03:57:38.020 18th and the twenty ninth. and 6302 03:57:38,020 --> 03:57:41.006.

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I think that if I'm not sure if 6303 03:57:41,006 --> 03:57:43.012 I'm correct, but I think that 6304 03:57:43,012 --> 03:57:46.011 the november 19th, would be the 6305 03:57:46,011 --> 03:57:49.012. The the full draft that we're 6306 03:57:49,012 --> 03:57:50.009, going to be looking at at our 6307 03:57:50,009 --> 03:57:52.015 meeting. is that correct? 6308 03:57:52,015 --> 03:57:55.010 no. november 18th. This is 6309 03:57:55,010 --> 03:57:57.018. Basically, if we're going to 6310 03:57:57,018 --> 03:57:58.017 follow the same process. We 6311 03:57:58,017, --> 03:58:00.018 would have the the discussion.

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6312 03:58:00,018 --> 03:58:01.023 of public hearing feedback, 6313 03:58:01,023 --> 03:58:03.008 on provisional voting on the 6314 03:58:03,008 --> 03:58:06.022, remaining recommendations and 6315 03:58:06,022 --> 03:58:08.015 policy items. We would do 6316, 03:58:08,015, -->, 03:58:10.005 final voting on those on 6317 03:58:10,005, -->, 03:58:15.006 november 18th, and all of that 6318 03:58:15,006 --> 03:58:18.008 would then go into a final 6319 03:58:18,008 --> 03:58:20.020 report for review on november 6320, 03:58:20,020 --> 03:58:22.007 twenty nine., so you know,, 6321 03:58:22,007 -->, 03:58:25.024 yeah,, we're kind of up against 6322 03:58:25,024 --> 03:58:26.020 a tight deadline. Here..

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I 6323 03:58:26,020 --> 03:58:27.015, very much appreciate what 6324 03:58:27,015 --> 03:58:28.026 you're saying, and I think that 6325 03:58:28,026, --> 03:58:30.028 would be and we can think about 6326 03:58:30,028, --> 03:58:32.022 potential ways to do that., but 6327 03:58:32,022, -->, 03:58:33.011, again we're just going to 6328 03:58:33,011 --> 03:58:36.023 follow the same process, you 6329 03:58:36,023 --> 03:58:38.009 know,, and I will note that 6330 03:58:38,009 --> 03:58:41.029 the november 6th is a hearing. 6331 03:58:41,029 --> 03:58:42.027 on saturday, november 15th, 6332, 03:58:42,027, --> 03:58:44.026 would be a monday meeting for 6333 03:58:44,026 --> 03:58:45.019.

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Discussion of the public, 6334 03:58:45,019, -->, 03:58:48.002, hearing feedback and then those 6335 03:58:48,002, -->, 03:58:50.013 recommendations or policy ideas, 6336 03:58:50,013, --> 03:58:51.028. We need to be revised for 6337 03:58:51,028, --> 03:58:52.018 discussion on november 18th., 6338 03:58:52,018, --> 03:58:54.018.

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That's only from that's a 6339 03:58:54,018 --> 03:58:55.008 thursday, the following 6340 03:58:55,008, -->, 03:58:57.000 thursday., so we've already 6341 03:58:57,000 --> 03:58:59.013 added another meeting on on 6342 03:58:59,013 --> 03:59:02.005 november 18th to thursday to to 6343 03:59:02,005 --> 03:59:04.007, give us a little extra 6344, 03:59:04,007 --> 03:59:05.026, breathing room to for 6345 03:59:05,026, -->, 03:59:06.016 discussion.. So there's going to 6346 03:59:06,016 --> 03:59:07.012 be some very quick. 6347 03:59:07,012 --> 03:59:09.021 turnaround time necessary after 6348 03:59:09,021 --> 03:59:10.000 that initial discussion after 6349 03:59:10,000 --> 03:59:15.025 public hearing..

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So so then 6350 03:59:15,025, -->, 03:59:17.029 ok,. So then, the the complete 6351 03:59:17,029 --> 03:59:20.005 draft of our our report will 6352 03:59:20,005 --> 03:59:23.003 not be ready until november 6353 03:59:23,003 --> 03:59:26.016, the twenty ninth we're going 6354 03:59:26,016 --> 03:59:27.004 to I mean after the 6355 03:59:27,004 --> 03:59:29.006 governance structure and voting 6356 03:59:29,006 --> 03:59:31.022 in election recommendations are 6357. 03:59:31,022 --> 03:59:32.002 have final voting,.

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You know: 6358 03:59:32,002 --> 03:59:34.000 we're going to be compiling 6359 03:59:34,000 --> 03:59:38.028, that into a partial final 6360, 03:59:38,028 --> 03:59:39.019 report, the full final report, 6361 03:59:39,019, --> 03:59:41.021, won't be ready until after we 6362 03:59:41,021 --> 03:59:43.027 have the final voting on on the 6363 03:59:43,027 --> 03:59:44.026 final recommendations, which 6364 03:59:44,026 --> 03:59:46.026, would happen on november 18th., 6365 03:59:46,026, --> 03:59:47.011. Let me just make this clear: 6366, 03:59:47,011, --> 03:59:55.026 here are final voting on 6367 03:59:55,026 --> 04:00:00.000 remaining recommendations. ok,, 6368, 04:00:00,000, --> 04:00:03.011. I think I'm ok.

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thank you., I'm 6369, 04:00:03,011, -->, 04:00:05.010. Sorry, sorry to interrupt. I 6370 04:00:05,010, --> 04:00:07.024, think I understand the process. 6371 04:00:07,024 --> 04:00:11.013. So then we will not have our 6372 04:00:11,013 --> 04:00:15.018 final report ready until the 6373 04:00:15,018 --> 04:00:16.001, twenty nine.. That's when we 6374 04:00:16,001 --> 04:00:18.027 have everything together when 6375 04:00:18,027 --> 04:00:20.026. We have that meeting. Ok and 6376 04:00:20,026 --> 04:00:21.004. That's when we're going to 6377 04:00:21,004 --> 04:00:26.001 approve it correct., yeah, ok, so 6378 04:00:26,001, --> 04:00:28.015.

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But actually let me excuse 6379 04:00:28,015 --> 04:00:30.016 me to interrupt. When will it 6380 04:00:30,016 --> 04:00:31.016 actually go out lawrence 6381, 04:00:31,016, --> 04:00:33.018, because the week before yeah. 6382, 04:00:33,018, --> 04:00:35.005 wants to get posted and the 6383 04:00:35,005 --> 04:00:38.023 week before is thanksgiving, so 6384 04:00:38,023, --> 04:00:39.029. When will it actually go to the 6385 04:00:39,029 -->, 04:00:41.008 public? And what after the 6386 04:00:41,008 --> 04:00:43.011 eighteenth?

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You know we're going 6387, 04:00:43,011 --> 04:00:45.026 to do our best to to get those 6388 04:00:45,026, -->, 04:00:46.022 final votes incorporated into 6389 04:00:46,022 -->, 04:00:48.015, the the final report. and when 6390 04:00:48,015 --> 04:00:51.013. I say final report,, you know 6391 04:00:51,013, --> 04:00:53.029. What we really mean is the the 6392 04:00:53,029 --> 04:00:55.025 compilation of the the the full 6393 04:00:55,025 --> 04:00:57.022 recommendations and policy 6394 04:00:57,022 --> 04:01:00.022 items..

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We may not deliver a 6395 04:01:00,022 -->, 04:01:04.018 final full appendices, but there 6396, 04:01:04,018, --> 04:01:06.024, will be the sort of the the 6397 04:01:06,024 --> 04:01:09.021 bulk, the important parts of the 6398 04:01:09,021 --> 04:01:11.006 report.. I think we can have 6399 04:01:11,006 --> 04:01:14.011 them for you all to review the 6400 04:01:14,011 --> 04:01:19.011 week of thanksgiving so by the 6401 04:01:19,011 --> 04:01:22.023 monday, the seconds for four 6402 04:01:22,023 --> 04:01:23.015 commissioners to review 6403 04:01:23,015 --> 04:01:25.002.

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Before the final conversation, 6404 04:01:25,002 --> 04:01:28.010 discussion on in any 6405 04:01:28,010 --> 04:01:29.002 revisions that want to be made 6406, 04:01:29,002, --> 04:01:31.014 on november 29th.. So because of 6407 04:01:31,014 --> 04:01:32.014, the holidays, toni,. Can you 6408 04:01:32,014 --> 04:01:34.027 tell us. When does the agenda 6409 04:01:34,027 --> 04:01:35.026 have to get posted and when 6410 04:01:35,026 --> 04:01:37.029 with the materials need to be 6411, 04:01:37,029 -->, 04:01:38.025 posted?? Would they be the 6412 04:01:38,025 --> 04:01:41.025? Twenty fourth: look at the 6413 04:01:41,025 --> 04:01:44.028 calendar?. It's one week: ahead.

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6414, 04:01:44,028, -->, 04:01:46.018, yeah I'd be the twenty second 6415 04:01:46,018 --> 04:01:48.023 yeah., the twenty second would 6416 04:01:48,023 --> 04:01:49.010. We would post for the twenty 6417 04:01:49,010 -->, 04:01:52.000, ninth, ok! So then mr. 6418 04:01:52,000 --> 04:01:54.005 twenty's. I think the answer is 6419 04:01:54,005 --> 04:01:56.012, the twenty second. I just wanted 6420 04:01:56,012 --> 04:01:58.021 to add that we're already 6421 04:01:58,021 --> 04:02:00.023 working on the report, so I've 6422, 04:02:00,023 --> 04:02:02.004, asked that civic makers start 6423. 04:02:02,004 --> 04:02:05.027. Writing the report. Now so that 6424 04:02:05,027 --> 04:02:06.002.

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We aren't waiting till the end 6425 04:02:06,002 --> 04:02:08.025. Since there's a lot of 6426 04:02:08,025 --> 04:02:10.026 materials that we can use as 6427 04:02:10,026, --> 04:02:12.020. We start the drafting and to 6428 04:02:12,020 --> 04:02:14.027 speed up the process so that we 6429 04:02:14,027 --> 04:02:16.024 can deliver that as fast as we 6430 04:02:16,024 -->. 04:02:18.013 can to the full commission.- the 6431 04:02:18,013 --> 04:02:20.020 appendices which I think are 6432 04:02:20,020 --> 04:02:22.011 going to be extensive and I 6433 04:02:22,011 --> 04:02:24.028 want them to be extensive or 6434 04:02:24,028 --> 04:02:25.007.

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Writing is also from a 6435 04:02:25,007 --> 04:02:28.027 historical perspective. We did 6436 04:02:28,027 --> 04:02:29.002 not receive everything we 6437 04:02:29,002 --> 04:02:31.008 really would have liked to have 6438 04:02:31,008 --> 04:02:32.002 received from the nineteen 6439 04:02:32,002 --> 04:02:34.005.

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Eighty five commission.- I'm 6440 04:02:34,005, -->, 04:02:35.005, hoping we don't have thirty 6441 04:02:35,005 --> 04:02:37.007 five years, but historically I 6442 04:02:37,007 --> 04:02:39.004 want to make sure that more of 6443, 04:02:39,004, --> 04:02:41.018, the narrative and the process- 6444 04:02:41,018, --> 04:02:43.029 in our protocols and procedures, 6445 04:02:43,029, --> 04:02:45.015, are are put into the report. so 6446 04:02:45,015 --> 04:02:47.002.

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I've asked the makers to start 6447, 04:02:47,002 --> 04:02:50.023, compiling everything into it, so 6448 04:02:50,023, --> 04:02:51.014 that we will have the ability, 6449, 04:02:51,014, -->, 04:02:54.011, to post it on that monday, which 6450 04:02:54,011 --> 04:02:57.004 will give you a week before the 6451 04:02:57,004 --> 04:02:59.000 meeting itself, which will be 6452, 04:02:59,000, -->, 04:03:03.025, helpful.

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ok,, so so that'll 6453, 04:03:03,025 --> 04:03:05.018 be helpful for us, as well as 6454 04:03:05,018, --> 04:03:09.028, the public to to be able to 6455 04:03:09,028 -->, 04:03:11.000, review it and and look at and 6456 04:03:11,000 --> 04:03:14.009.

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Then, and I'm thinking I could 6457 04:03:14,009 --> 04:03:15.009 be wrong, but I think that the 6458 04:03:15,009 --> 04:03:17.006 public would be most interested 6459 04:03:17,006, --> 04:03:20.015 in our actual recommendations, 6460 04:03:20,015, --> 04:03:22.001 for charter changes as well as 6461 04:03:22,001, --> 04:03:25.012, our memo's, the rest of it I 6462 04:03:25,012 --> 04:03:26.000 mean I'm sure that they will 6463 04:03:26,000 --> 04:03:28.017 want to see the reference as to 6464 04:03:28,017 --> 04:03:29.018, what we're recommending. but 6465 04:03:29,018 --> 04:03:31.012, but I think that's that's 6466 04:03:31,012 --> 04:03:33.015!

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Something that's likely to be 6467, 04:03:33,015, -->, 04:03:35.020. What's read and I don't know 6468 04:03:35,020 --> 04:03:37.003 about how other commissioners I 6469 04:03:37,003 --> 04:03:39.004 looking at this, but I think 6470 04:03:39,004 --> 04:03:42.026, it's very important to give the 6471 04:03:42,026 --> 04:03:43.010, give I mean to release it to 6472 04:03:43,010 --> 04:03:47.000, the public to you, know,, the 6473 04:03:47,000 --> 04:03:49.009 link will be on the webpage and 6474 04:03:49,009 --> 04:03:50.010.

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All of that, so that people can 6475 04:03:50,010 --> 04:03:52.028, look at it and I think it would 6476 04:03:52,028 --> 04:03:54.014 be really important to invite 6477 04:03:54,014 --> 04:03:58.017 the public to to come to our I 6478 04:03:58,017 -->. 04:03:59.025!

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Guess I don't know if that's 6479, 04:03:59,025 --> 04:04:00.003 our final meeting, but on the 6480 04:04:00,003 --> 04:04:02.008 meeting of the twenty nine 6481 04:04:02,008 --> 04:04:03.000, because it sounds like that's: 6482 04:04:03,000, --> 04:04:05.021 when we're actually going to 6483 04:04:05,021 --> 04:04:08.008 approve everything and I for 6484, 04:04:08,008 -->, 04:04:11.004 one. What the public thinks 6485 04:04:11,004 --> 04:04:14.021 about the entire, the entire 6486 04:04:14,021 --> 04:04:15.022 report that we're submitting 6487 04:04:15,022 --> 04:04:17.011, and I want I want the public to 6488.

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04:04:17,011 --> 04:04:19.023 be able to see it when it's 6489, 04:04:19,023 --> 04:04:21.018, still a draft before we final 6490 04:04:21,018, --> 04:04:24.004. You take that final vote, so 6491 04:04:24,004, --> 04:04:26.014 goes to what we can accomplish. 6492 04:04:26,014 --> 04:04:28.008 that day. and I think part of 6493 04:04:28,008, --> 04:04:30.015. It might be if there is 6494 04:04:30,015, --> 04:04:32.016 interest.

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Others will know more 6495, 04:04:32,016 --> 04:04:34.011 than me if they were interested 6496 04:04:34,011 --> 04:04:36.009, but that on the on the twenty 6497 04:04:36,009 --> 04:04:39.019 ninth is when we might want to 6498 04:04:39,019 --> 04:04:45.019 start earlier: maybe., ok, 6499, 04:04:45,019, -->, 04:04:49.025 commissioner,. I wonder great 6500, 04:04:49,025 --> 04:04:51.009 thank you.. I also had a you 6501 04:04:51,009, --> 04:04:53.029 know as we think about our 6502 04:04:53,029 --> 04:04:56.024 partners. I was, I was invited: 6503 04:04:56,024, --> 04:04:59.018 by lunna headiness united for 6504 04:04:59,018, --> 04:05:01.018 new america.

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To give a little 6505 04:05:01,018 --> 04:05:02.007 bit more presentation as a 6506 04:05:02,007 --> 04:05:04.015, commissioner, on what we were 6507 04:05:04,015 --> 04:05:06.000 doing, and I was informed that 6508 04:05:06,000 --> 04:05:09.016. They were not aware about the 6509 04:05:09,016 --> 04:05:13.008 law, inclusion in the they were 6510 04:05:13,008 --> 04:05:15.009. Only aware of the governments, 6511 04:05:15,009 --> 04:05:18.014 that they were asked to gather 6512, 04:05:18,014, -->, 04:05:19.019 feedback and thoughts from 6513 04:05:19,019 --> 04:05:20.014 community about government 6514, 04:05:20,014 -->, 04:05:22.004 structure..

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So I just want to 6515 04:05:22,004 --> 04:05:24.001 make sure that our partners are 6516. 04:05:24,001, -->, 04:05:25.004, aware of the different 6517 04:05:25,004 --> 04:05:26.011 subcommittees and different 6518 04:05:26,011 --> 04:05:27.016 recommendations that are coming 6519, 04:05:27,016, --> 04:05:29.016 through us.. So since they're 6520, 04:05:29,016, --> 04:05:31.023, the ones that are up front with 6521 04:05:31,023 --> 04:05:33.011 community as well, and how can 6522 04:05:33,011 --> 04:05:35.022? We make sure that that is 6523 04:05:35,022 --> 04:05:37.015 happening? thank you. thank 6524 04:05:37,015 --> 04:05:38.012 you, anna.

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we've been 6525 04:05:38,012 --> 04:05:40.014, sending regular updates to the 6526 04:05:40,014 --> 04:05:42.026 identified staff from our 6527 04:05:42,026 --> 04:05:43.004 partners about public hearing., 6528, 04:05:43,004, -->, 04:05:46.022, so I'll reach out to luna to 6529 04:05:46,022 --> 04:05:47.002, see where the communication 6530 04:05:47,002 --> 04:05:49.025 breakdown, is., commissioner 6531 04:05:49,025, --> 04:05:50.007 signora chris,. I just want 6532, 04:05:50,007 --> 04:05:52.010 to respond quickly and say: 6533 04:05:52,010, --> 04:05:54.000. Let's do an update october 18th 6534 04:05:54,000 --> 04:05:56.024 on our community engagement, 6535 04:05:56,024 --> 04:05:57.006 outreach. Process.

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groups are 6536, 04:05:57,006, --> 04:06:00.004 much more expert as well. I'd, 6537 04:06:00,004 --> 04:06:02.000 like us to do an update., so in 6538, 04:06:02,000, --> 04:06:04.014, our reports from the chair or 6539 04:06:04,014 --> 04:06:05.022 from the consultant or from the 6540 04:06:05,022 --> 04:06:07.006 clerk,, we'll put that in there 6541 04:06:07,006 --> 04:06:09.008 to make sure that we update 6542 04:06:09,008 --> 04:06:11.014 folks as to what's happening.

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6543 04:06:11,014 --> 04:06:12.018 because we are coming to the 6544 04:06:12,018 --> 04:06:13.019 end and we want to make sure 6545, 04:06:13,019 --> 04:06:15.029 that folks are engaged on kind, 6546, 04:06:15,029, -->, 04:06:16.008 of the quote: unquote: issues, 6547, 04:06:16,008, -->, 04:06:19.016, here., so I'll do an update on 6548 04:06:19,016, -->, 04:06:23.029 october 18 next year, 6549, 04:06:23,029, --> 04:06:27.018, commissioner sagara,.

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I would 6550 04:06:27,018 --> 04:06:30.012 just like to advocate that we 6551 04:06:30,012 --> 04:06:34.029 get some kind of materials to 6552 04:06:34,029 --> 04:06:38.018 present to community partners,, 6553 04:06:38,018 --> 04:06:40.005, just the community in general. 6554 04:06:40,005, --> 04:06:42.018. I just cannot believe that the 6555 04:06:42,018 --> 04:06:43.015 city of san jose doesn't have a 6556 04:06:43,015 --> 04:06:46.011 budget to make things 6557 04:06:46,011 --> 04:06:48.023 accessible to the community. 6558 04:06:48,023 --> 04:06:49.028. That just seems like such a 6559 04:06:49,028 --> 04:06:51.027 fundamental request and have it 6560 04:06:51,027 -->, 04:06:54.004 translated..

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They don't. I 6561 04:06:54,004 --> 04:06:56.026 wouldn't have known about this 6562 04:06:56,026 --> 04:06:57.001. Potentially, if I weren't on 6563 04:06:57,001 --> 04:06:59.024 this mission., I don't know 6564 04:06:59,024 --> 04:07:00.027 about recommission.. We want 6565, 04:07:00,027, --> 04:07:02.011 them to have access.. I think 6566 04:07:02,011 --> 04:07:05.016.

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It's very important that we do 6567 04:07:05,016 --> 04:07:08.023 that and I don't think I'm just 6568 04:07:08,023 --> 04:07:10.007 saying one committee is taking 6569 04:07:10,007 --> 04:07:12.003 up all the time and that's why 6570 04:07:12,003 --> 04:07:14.026, I can't do anything else- is 6571 04:07:14,026, --> 04:07:16.017, really an acceptable approach., 6572 04:07:16,017 --> 04:07:19.012 thank you. thank you, 6573 04:07:19,012, --> 04:07:24.008, commissioner metamora. thank 6574 04:07:24,008 -->, 04:07:26.023 you.. I do want to agree with 6575 04:07:26,023 --> 04:07:27.019, commissioner siglo, that I think 6576 04:07:27,019 --> 04:07:29.000.

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It's incredibly important that 6577 04:07:29,000 --> 04:07:32.016. We get materials that we can 6578 04:07:32,016 --> 04:07:33.006 use to reach out to the 6579 04:07:33,006 --> 04:07:37.003 community, to let them know 6580 04:07:37,003, --> 04:07:39.025, exactly what's what's happening: 6581 04:07:39,025, --> 04:07:39.005 at the charter review, 6582, 04:07:39,005, -->, 04:07:43.022, commission, another proposal, 6583 04:07:43,022 --> 04:07:44.018 that I wanted to to put out 6584 04:07:44,018 --> 04:07:49.027, because um a share or 6585 04:07:49,027 --> 04:07:50.004. Perhaps I'm projecting onto 6586 04:07:50,004 --> 04:07:52.013.

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Commissioner, there's a concern: 6587 04:07:52,013 --> 04:07:54.003 about there being only one 6588 04:07:54,003 --> 04:07:57.001 opportunity for the the public, 6589 04:07:57,001 --> 04:07:59.014. To look at the final report: 6590 04:07:59,014, -->, 04:08:00.019 kind of all compiled in one 6591 04:08:00,019 -->, 04:08:03.015 place,, you know,, recognizing 6592, 04:08:03,015 --> 04:08:07.018 that the the really key part of 6593 04:08:07,018 --> 04:08:09.019. The final report for the public 6594 04:08:09,019 --> 04:08:11.003 to weigh in on is in fact going 6595 04:08:11,003, --> 04:08:15.007. To be all of these.

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All of these 6596 04:08:15,007 --> 04:08:20.021 memos that we could perhaps add 6597 04:08:20,021 --> 04:08:22.021 to the public hearing on 6598 04:08:22,021 --> 04:08:28.019 november. Six, an item for the 6599 04:08:28,019 --> 04:08:30.001 public to be able to give 6600 04:08:30,001 --> 04:08:33.005 comment on on all of the 6601 04:08:33,005 --> 04:08:34.022 recommendations that have been 6602, 04:08:34,022, --> 04:08:37.011 heard to date.. I just recognize 6603 04:08:37,011 --> 04:08:40.003, that I I appreciate the process.

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6604 04:08:40,003 --> 04:08:42.019 that we've had so far to be 6605, 04:08:42,019, --> 04:08:43.022 able to focus in on different 6606 04:08:43,022 --> 04:08:45.017 areas of the recommendations: 6607 04:08:45,017 --> 04:08:47.027. That was absolutely critical, 6608 04:08:47,027 --> 04:08:50.005, and I recognize that for many 6609 04:08:50,005 --> 04:08:52.027. If not most members of the 6610 04:08:52,027 --> 04:08:54.007 public, it would not have been 6611 04:08:54,007 --> 04:08:57.013 possible to attend all of the 6612 04:08:57,013 --> 04:08:58.014 different meetings that our 6613 04:08:58,014 -->, 04:08:59.020 commission has had and to 6614.

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04:08:59,020 --> 04:09:00.018 really follow along with the 6615 04:09:00,018 --> 04:09:03.007 full process, and so I think 6616 04:09:03,007 --> 04:09:06.028. It's very important that before 6617 04:09:06,028, --> 04:09:07.016 that there is at least one 6618 04:09:07,016 --> 04:09:10.002 point before our last meeting 6619 04:09:10,002 --> 04:09:12.019.

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Before we have no further 6620 04:09:12,019 --> 04:09:14.016 opportunity to do anything with 6621 04:09:14,016 --> 04:09:16.000 public input that there's at 6622 04:09:16,000 -->, 04:09:19.027 least one point when the public 6623 04:09:19,027 --> 04:09:21.024 can can have an agenda, can be 6624, 04:09:21,024 --> 04:09:23.013, not out order if they want to 6625 04:09:23,013 --> 04:09:25.007 weigh in on anything that we've 6626 04:09:25,007 --> 04:09:27.011 worked on., so my proposal for 6627 04:09:27,011 --> 04:09:29.000 how to achieve that again, is if 6628 04:09:29,000 --> 04:09:31.018.

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We could agenda it for the 6629 04:09:31,018 --> 04:09:33.029 public hearing on november six 6630 04:09:33,029 --> 04:09:34.003. To just have there a 6631 04:09:34,003, --> 04:09:36.026 compilation of all the 6632 04:09:36,026 --> 04:09:38.006 different, recommended actions. 6633 04:09:38,006 --> 04:09:40.006 agenda is in a way for the 6634 04:09:40,006 --> 04:09:41.023 public, to be able to weigh in 6635 04:09:41,023 --> 04:09:44.022 on them.. We've heard concerns 6636 04:09:44,022 --> 04:09:46.019.

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Before that, of course, we have 6637 04:09:46,019 --> 04:09:50.021 to to balance the time with 6638 04:09:50,021 --> 04:09:51.024 sort of what the public can 6639 04:09:51,024 --> 04:09:53.025 weigh in on.. So I reference 6640 04:09:53,025 --> 04:09:54.024 that because we wouldn't want 6641, 04:09:54,024 --> 04:09:56.025, just one agenda item where the 6642 04:09:56,025 --> 04:09:58.021 public only has two minutes to 6643 04:09:58,021 --> 04:10:00.011 to give feedback on anything.

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6644, 04:10:00,011, --> 04:10:02.017 that we've considered but would 6645 04:10:02,017 --> 04:10:03.010 need to break up those agenda: 6646 04:10:03,010, --> 04:10:06.023 items so that the public could 6647 04:10:06,023 --> 04:10:07.022 weigh in on on a number of 6648 04:10:07,022 --> 04:10:08.008 different items and have 6649 04:10:08,008 --> 04:10:13.023 adequate time to do. That., ok,, 6650, 04:10:13,023, --> 04:10:15.025. Let's go to the other comments, 6651 04:10:15,025, --> 04:10:16.024, and then we can circle back if 6652, 04:10:16,024, --> 04:10:17.024, there's interest in that 6653 04:10:17,024 -->, 04:10:25.010 proposal., commissioner fata's, 6654 04:10:25,010, --> 04:10:28.007.

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I agree with that.. I think 6655 04:10:28,007 --> 04:10:30.002, that's that's a great idea. I 6656 04:10:30,002 --> 04:10:35.018 mean I I think again, I'm sorry 6657 04:10:35,018 --> 04:10:36.005 to be repetitive, but I think 6658 04:10:36,005 --> 04:10:41.015 that there should be a process. 6659 04:10:41,015 --> 04:10:44.015 for looking at the final report: 6660 04:10:44,015 --> 04:10:46.008, when everything is together, 6661, 04:10:46,008, -->, 04:10:49.027, meaning all the the 6662 04:10:49,027 --> 04:10:51.014 recommendations, charter changes, 6663, 04:10:51,014, --> 04:10:53.026, as well as the memos and just 6664 04:10:53,026 --> 04:10:54.020.

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Simply that I mean just really 6665 04:10:54,020 --> 04:10:57.026, looking at it and in 6666 04:10:57,026 --> 04:10:59.010 addition to all of us as 6667 04:10:59,010, --> 04:11:03.006 commissioners. Taking that view 6668 04:11:03,006 --> 04:11:05.000 of let's just look at from you 6669 04:11:05,000, --> 04:11:07.020, look at the whole picture, 6670, 04:11:07,020, -->, 04:11:08.024 and and just see what it 6671 04:11:08,024 --> 04:11:09.020 looks. Like.

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I mean how does 6672 04:11:09,020 --> 04:11:11.006 that reflect, and I assuming 6673 04:11:11,006 --> 04:11:14.007 that we, you know, since you 6674, 04:11:14,007 --> 04:11:15.006, said you're already working on 6675 04:11:15,006 --> 04:11:16.010. Writing that you're already 6676 04:11:16,010 --> 04:11:18.004 kind of thinking that out, but I 6677 04:11:18,004, --> 04:11:20.020, think that's important to do. 6678 04:11:20,020 --> 04:11:21.009, like what did we do like what 6679 04:11:21,009 --> 04:11:23.013 was our overriding theme?? What 6680, 04:11:23,013 --> 04:11:25.012 was our purpose?, what you know: 6681 04:11:25,012, --> 04:11:27.007.

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How do we know when you look at 6682 04:11:27,007, --> 04:11:29.022 the whole thing,? How are we 6683, 04:11:29,022 --> 04:11:31.016 envisioning, a future with these 6684 04:11:31,016 --> 04:11:34.005, with all our work and and at 6685 04:11:34,005 -->. 04:11:36.001, the same time, I think it's 6686 04:11:36,001 --> 04:11:38.003 important for the public to see 6687 04:11:38,003, --> 04:11:40.024 it and I think it's 6688 04:11:40,024 --> 04:11:41.026 important also for the public 6689 04:11:41,026, --> 04:11:43.012, to see it and be able to in 6690 04:11:43,012 --> 04:11:46.016.

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Many ways comment back to us: 6691 04:11:46,016, --> 04:11:48.027 before we finally approve it, 6692 04:11:48,027, -->, 04:11:50.017 and the reason is we have to 6693 04:11:50,017 --> 04:11:52.005. Remember that this is all going 6694, 04:11:52,005, --> 04:11:54.026 to be ultimately going to the 6695 04:11:54,026 --> 04:11:58.010 voters, and I think it creates a 6696 04:11:58,010. --≫ 04:12:00.006. Well put it this way. I think it 6697 04:12:00,006, --> 04:12:02.027 shows a lot of respect on our 6698 04:12:02,027 --> 04:12:04.022 part to our community to show 6699 04:12:04,022 --> 04:12:07.015 it to them..

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You know,, like I 6700 04:12:07,015 -->, 04:12:08.021 said,. I don't know how much 6701 04:12:08,021 --> 04:12:09.000 interest would be, but I think 6702 04:12:09,000 --> 04:12:11.020, it's just doing it.. It's 6703, 04:12:11,020, --> 04:12:12.013 important to show to the 6704 04:12:12,013 --> 04:12:15.004 community and say here. This is 6705 04:12:15,004 --> 04:12:17.009, where your charter, commission, 6706 04:12:17,009, --> 04:12:18.006. This is what we've been doing: 6707 04:12:18,006 --> 04:12:20.021 this whole year.. This is our 6708 04:12:20,021 --> 04:12:21.015 product.. This is what it looks: 6709 04:12:21,015, -->, 04:12:23.016 like. we're not finished yet.

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6710 04:12:23,016, --> 04:12:25.012. This is our final draft., but 6711 04:12:25,012, --> 04:12:28.026. Just let people see it and see. 6712 04:12:28,026, --> 04:12:30.022 see what we get and, however, we 6713 04:12:30,022 --> 04:12:33.013 can do that,. I think it would 6714 04:12:33,013 --> 04:12:35.013, be I think it's really 6715 04:12:35,013 --> 04:12:38.023 important and people can begin 6716, 04:12:38,023 --> 04:12:41.010 to see what this work is and 6717 04:12:41,010 --> 04:12:43.009. Keeping in mind like I said, I 6718 04:12:43,009 --> 04:12:45.020 believe that releasing the 6719 04:12:45,020 --> 04:12:47.018 charter changes. They will.

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If 6720 04:12:47,018, --> 04:12:49.008 the city council approve they 6721 04:12:49,008 --> 04:12:52.024 will be voting on these., so 6722 04:12:52,024, --> 04:12:54.006. It's just a thought that I'm I 6723 04:12:54,006 --> 04:12:58.000 am recommending again thank 6724, 04:12:58,000 --> 04:13:02.002 you,, commissioner cigale. thank 6725 04:13:02,002 --> 04:13:04.008 you.. So since this is a public 6726, 04:13:04,008 -->, 04:13:05.016 meeting,, I just wanted to 6727 04:13:05,016 --> 04:13:06.016 inform the public and my fellow 6728 04:13:06,016 --> 04:13:08.024 commissioners, that there are 6729 04:13:08,024 --> 04:13:09.025.

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There is a topic that we've 6730 04:13:09,025 --> 04:13:11.008, passed on to commissioner first 6731 04:13:11,008, -->, 04:13:13.008 of all, and one that we've 6732 04:13:13,008 --> 04:13:14.022, passed on to commissioner 6733 04:13:14,022 --> 04:13:16.003 frontward went as they are 6734 04:13:16,003 --> 04:13:20.005, not at charter changes. Are just 6735 04:13:20,005 --> 04:13:22.029 policy recommendations, 6736 04:13:22,029 --> 04:13:23.016? Potentially they will be 6737, 04:13:23,016, -->, 04:13:25.018, studying it.. We won't there's 6738 04:13:25,018 --> 04:13:27.012, no raunak violation., they're, 6739 04:13:27,012 --> 04:13:29.007, not joining our subcommittee. 6740 04:13:29,007, --> 04:13:32.023.

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There's simply: we've passed, 6741 04:13:32,023, --> 04:13:33.001 onto them because they 6742 04:13:33,001 --> 04:13:36.011 recommendations are mostly 6743, 04:13:36,011, --> 04:13:38.005 finished in terms of the work 6744 04:13:38,005 --> 04:13:40.014 that they have to do and we 6745 04:13:40,014 --> 04:13:41.006 have our work cut out for us. 6746 04:13:41,006, --> 04:13:43.004, so we've passed it on, but still 6747, 04:13:43,004 --> 04:13:45.012.

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We would like it heard after 6748 04:13:45,012 --> 04:13:47.005 the charter recommendations, 6749 04:13:47,005, --> 04:13:49.005, then the policy recommendations, 6750 04:13:49,005, --> 04:13:50.016, just as every other 6751 04:13:50,016 --> 04:13:52.008 subcommittee, gets to have their 6752 04:13:52,008 --> 04:13:54.010 policy recommendations heard on 6753, 04:13:54,010, --> 04:13:57.028 the day of their charter, 6754 04:13:57,028, -->, 04:13:59.005 change, recommendations. and so 6755 04:13:59,005 --> 04:14:02.016 and, I honestly didn't know: 6756 04:14:02,016, --> 04:14:03.006.

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Until recently that we were 6757, 04:14:03,006 --> 04:14:05.020 voting on recommendations, but 6758 04:14:05,020, --> 04:14:07.016 we are- and so since we are 6759 04:14:07,016 --> 04:14:09.006. We have to get those out and we 6760 04:14:09,006 --> 04:14:12.029 have to talk to you about them: 6761, 04:14:12,029, -->, 04:14:14.011 and and get votes on those 6762 04:14:14,011 --> 04:14:17.009. Depending on what commissioner 6763 04:14:17,009 --> 04:14:20.015 percival and fuentes decide to 6764 04:14:20,015 --> 04:14:25.018 do. thank you.

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thank you., ok, 6765, 04:14:25,018, --> 04:14:29.022, I'm going to just suggest: 6766 04:14:29,022, -->, 04:14:30.000 hearing commissioner fuentes, 6767 04:14:30,000, -->, 04:14:32.028 and others just to make sure 6768, 04:14:32,028 --> 04:14:34.006, I'm. I think my recommendation, 6769 04:14:34,006, --> 04:14:37.019 will be and I'll work with the 6770 04:14:37,019 --> 04:14:38.002 consultant on the schedule: 6771 04:14:38,002 --> 04:14:41.013.

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Again, I'm going to recommend 6772 04:14:41,013 --> 04:14:42.000 that we look at some kind of a 6773 04:14:42,000 --> 04:14:45.006 whole piece on november 15th, 6774, 04:14:45,006, --> 04:14:46.000, because you will be doing 6775, 04:14:46,000, -->, 04:14:48.017, provisional voting on a lot of 6776 04:14:48,017 --> 04:14:50.021, the the municipal 6777 04:14:50,021, -->, 04:14:51.024, accountability, inclusion, 6778, 04:14:51,024, -->, 04:14:53.009 recommendation., and if you do 6779 04:14:53,009 --> 04:14:55.013 that at the public hearing, we 6780, 04:14:55,013 --> 04:14:57.024 want to have your vote, so the 6781 04:14:57,024 --> 04:14:58.013 public won't be able to weigh 6782 04:14:58,013 --> 04:15:00.026 in on the recommendations as a 6783 04:15:00,026 --> 04:15:03.005 whole, and I think we can.

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We can 6784 04:15:03,005 --> 04:15:05.020 accommodate part of that at 6785, 04:15:05,020 --> 04:15:07.018 that time. now I just want to 6786 04:15:07,018 --> 04:15:09.000 go back. We've had thirty 6787 04:15:09,000 --> 04:15:11.026 sessions on most of these 6788 04:15:11,026 --> 04:15:12.023 topics so far, and some of them 6789, 04:15:12,023, --> 04:15:14.025, are still going to happen.. We 6790 04:15:14,025 --> 04:15:16.020 had the recommended sessions. 6791 04:15:16,020 --> 04:15:18.007 were made public..

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We went from 6792 04:15:18,007 --> 04:15:20.000 recommendations to provisional 6793 04:15:20,000 --> 04:15:23.020 vote public upscaled way in 6794 04:15:23,020 --> 04:15:24.018 commissioners weighed in. 6795 04:15:24,018 --> 04:15:26.019 revisions were made.. A public 6796 04:15:26,019 --> 04:15:28.021 hearing was held on those same 6797 04:15:28,021 -->, 04:15:31.006 recommendations.. So the idea to 6798 04:15:31,006 --> 04:15:34.005 me is that they have seen all 6799 04:15:34,005 --> 04:15:36.000 of these things at least twice 6800 04:15:36,000, -->, 04:15:38.008 and sometimes three times and 6801 04:15:38,008 --> 04:15:39.007 we'll continue that process. 6802 04:15:39,007 --> 04:15:41.012.

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Through the end, I think, on the 6803 04:15:41,012 --> 04:15:43.003 fifteenth. If we want to start 6804, 04:15:43,003 --> 04:15:45.016, looking at them as a whole, 6805 04:15:45,016, --> 04:15:46.028, which I think has merit, I'm 6806 04:15:46,028 --> 04:15:47.009, not, I would argue it does have 6807 04:15:47,009 --> 04:15:49.023 merit. Then I think the 6808 04:15:49,023 --> 04:15:50.021 fifteenth, makes more sense, 6809, 04:15:50,021, --> 04:15:51.026, because then you would have 6810 04:15:51,026 --> 04:15:53.002 seen at least the provisional 6811 04:15:53,002 --> 04:15:56.022 votes will have been done and 6812 04:15:56,022 --> 04:15:57.021.

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That, then, you can be able to 6813 04:15:57,021 --> 04:15:59.026 say give your input to the 6814 04:15:59,026 --> 04:16:01.026 whole. I think on the fifteenth 6815 04:16:01,026 --> 04:16:02.012. I don't know the number of 6816 04:16:02,012 --> 04:16:04.000 recommendations that the public 6817 04:16:04,000, --> 04:16:07.007 hearing, I'm sorry that the 6818 04:16:07,007 --> 04:16:08.002 police, the municipal law and 6819 04:16:08,002 -->, 04:16:10.010 accountability, inclusion, how 6820 04:16:10,010 --> 04:16:11.011 many they're making, but that's 6821, 04:16:11,011 --> 04:16:13.000, where I would see this agenda 6822 04:16:13,000, --> 04:16:16.024.

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As a one more time, public input, 6823, 04:16:16,024, -->, 04:16:18.008 to the process. The 18th is 6824 04:16:18,008, -->, 04:16:21.026 final voting, so the public 6825 04:16:21,026 --> 04:16:22.000. Doesn't it's not going to do 6826 04:16:22,000, --> 04:16:24.003 them any good weighing in 6827 04:16:24,003 --> 04:16:26.009 earlier than earlier than that. 6828 04:16:26,009 --> 04:16:27.026.

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So I'd want to make sure that 6829 04:16:27,026 --> 04:16:29.025 that fifteenth agenda has some 6830 04:16:29,025 --> 04:16:32.005 time to be able to accommodate 6831 04:16:32,005 --> 04:16:35.013, a another public hearing, 6832 04:16:35,013 --> 04:16:36.026, another public hearing, but 6833 04:16:36,026 --> 04:16:37.018 public airing of the 6834 04:16:37,018 --> 04:16:39.006 recommendations as a standard 6835 04:16:39,006 --> 04:16:41.011 of that night, including those 6836 04:16:41,011, --> 04:16:42.018. That would have been done. 6837 04:16:42,018, -->, 04:16:43.004 provisionally.. So I would do it. 6838 04:16:43,004 --> 04:16:46.016. After the final piece there.

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If 6839 04:16:46,016 --> 04:16:48.010 people are willing to stay late, 6840, 04:16:48,010, --> 04:16:50.025 that night to finish those off 6841, 04:16:50,025, --> 04:16:51.000, and let public weigh in on 6842 04:16:51,000 --> 04:16:55.010, those pieces,. That would be my 6843 04:16:55,010 --> 04:16:56.029 recommendation, because if we 6844 04:16:56,029 --> 04:16:58.013 wait to 18 it'll be too late. 6845 04:16:58,013, --> 04:17:00.015 and if we go to the 6th it'll 6846 04:17:00,015 --> 04:17:02.027 be too early because the public 6847 04:17:02,027, --> 04:17:03.017, won't know what the commission 6848 04:17:03,017.

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--≫ 04:17:05.029 is looking at in terms of its 6849 04:17:05,029. --≫ 04:17:09.001 stance on the the policing., the 6850 04:17:09,001 --> 04:17:11.006 important things are coming: 6851, 04:17:11,006, -->, 04:17:12.024, out.

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policing is the law, 6852 04:17:12,024 --> 04:17:14.011 accountability, inclusion., so 6853 04:17:14,011, -->, 04:17:16.029 I'll work on the schedule and 6854 04:17:16,029 --> 04:17:17.008 you'll see no revisions, but I 6855 04:17:17,008 --> 04:17:20.010, think that would accommodate 6856 04:17:20,010 --> 04:17:25.017 folks need to desire to have 6857 04:17:25,017, -->, 04:17:27.007 public kind of see the whole I 6858 04:17:27,007 --> 04:17:29.023 also will be working with a 6859 04:17:29,023 --> 04:17:30.006 consultant and the city clerk 6860 04:17:30,006 --> 04:17:33.010 around the materials 6861 04:17:33,010 --> 04:17:36.022 presentations can engagement, 6862, 04:17:36,022, --> 04:17:37.016.

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All those things will take up. 6863 04:17:37,016 --> 04:17:39.008 this week in my meetings with 6864 04:17:39,008 --> 04:17:41.022 them to see where we are with 6865 04:17:41,022 --> 04:17:42.027. What we have and what do we 6866 04:17:42,027 --> 04:17:44.012, still need and making sure that 6867 04:17:44,012 --> 04:17:47.026 commissioners have materials, 6868, 04:17:47,026 --> 04:17:48.013 that they can use that this 6869 04:17:48,013 --> 04:17:50.004 last piece where we have 6870 04:17:50,004 -->, 04:17:53.003 recommendations in place into 6871, 04:17:53,003, --> 04:17:55.014, and so we can get more input as 6872 04:17:55,014, --> 04:17:56.021.

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Well, as talking to the 6873 04:17:56,021 --> 04:17:57.026 engagement, partners., so I'll 6874, 04:17:57,026 --> 04:17:58.013 commit to those things. This 6875 04:17:58,013 --> 04:18:00.012 week to see what we can do. 6876 04:18:00,012 --> 04:18:07.020, commissioner katrín. yeah. 6877 04:18:07,020 --> 04:18:09.024 thank you.. I just want to talk 6878 04:18:09,024, --> 04:18:11.010 about your proposal in terms of 6879 04:18:11,010, --> 04:18:13.002, having the thing on the 6880 04:18:13,002 --> 04:18:16.017 fifteenth.. If we do that, are 6881 04:18:16,017, --> 04:18:18.014 we actually going to have.

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Is it 6882, 04:18:18,014 --> 04:18:19.015, going to be a fair opportunity? 6883 04:18:19,015, --> 04:18:20.017 for probably participation to 6884 04:18:20,017 --> 04:18:22.029 run too late? yeah,. Well, we can 6885 04:18:22,029 --> 04:18:24.004 either.

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Do it early and get 6886 04:18:24,004, --> 04:18:27.012 people way and then again, 6887 04:18:27,012, -->, 04:18:28.007 they've had multiple 6888, 04:18:28,007, --> 04:18:31.007 opportunities to weigh in or I 6889 04:18:31,007 --> 04:18:33.026 would not want run late on the 6890 04:18:33,026 --> 04:18:34.011 new proposals that people will 6891 04:18:34,011 --> 04:18:36.006 hear in the public since they 6892 04:18:36,006, --> 04:18:38.002 wind up had time to respond to 6893 04:18:38,002 --> 04:18:40.028 them at all before that., so 6894, 04:18:40,028, --> 04:18:41.019. That's why I would suggest that 6895 04:18:41,019 --> 04:18:43.011.

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We do it that way so that 6896 04:18:43,011 --> 04:18:45.019 police, municipal accountability, 6897 04:18:45,019, -->, 04:18:47.013 inclusion has the ability, 6898 04:18:47,013 --> 04:18:50.011 earlier, to be able to weigh in 6899 04:18:50,011 --> 04:18:51.019 on things that they haven't. 6900 04:18:51,019, --> 04:18:53.005 weighed before, rather than the 6901 04:18:53,005 --> 04:18:55.008 items that people have had: 6902 04:18:55,008, -->, 04:18:58.016 public input on already. and if 6903 04:18:58,016, --> 04:18:59.003. Commissioner forwent this 6904 04:18:59,003 --> 04:19:01.004 suggestion of moving the 6905 04:19:01,004 --> 04:19:04.012 meeting earlier,. We can also 6906 04:19:04,012 --> 04:19:06.020.

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Look at that as well, because 6907 04:19:06,020 --> 04:19:08.029 that may help us to get more 6908, 04:19:08,029 --> 04:19:10.009 time in the beginning, so that 6909 04:19:10,009 --> 04:19:12.022. We aren't getting public input, 6910, 04:19:12,022, -->, 04:19:15.004, so late, but we are getting to 6911 04:19:15,004 --> 04:19:19.000 that place where there's 6912 04:19:19,000 --> 04:19:21.004, there's tradeoffs.. So I think 6913 04:19:21,004, --> 04:19:22.023! That's why I would rather do it 6914 04:19:22,023 --> 04:19:23.019 that way, mr.

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tran,, because I 6915 04:19:23,019 --> 04:19:25.027, do think it's important for the 6916 04:19:25,027 --> 04:19:26.029 public to weigh in on items 6917 04:19:26,029, --> 04:19:27.009 that they haven't been able to 6918 04:19:27,009 --> 04:19:31.006 before as compared to items 6919 04:19:31,006 --> 04:19:32.028 that they have been able to 6920 04:19:32,028 --> 04:19:39.024 play into before right. and now 6921 04:19:39,024 --> 04:19:41.028. We will hear from the public 6922 04:19:41,028 --> 04:19:49.016, again. lampman,. I thank you. 6923 04:19:49,016 --> 04:19:54.026 everyone.

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Here it is a 6924 04:19:54,026, -->, 04:19:57.008 million to one shot, a wing and 6925 04:19:57,008 --> 04:20:00.023, a prayer shot that I'm hoping 6926, 04:20:00,023 --> 04:20:02.025 that you can be considering 6927 04:20:02,025 --> 04:20:05.013 how to extend some of the 6928 04:20:05,013 --> 04:20:08.012 charter, commission processes, 6929 04:20:08,012, --> 04:20:10.015, not all of them, but some of 6930 04:20:10,015 --> 04:20:12.021 them. however,, whenever their 6931 04:20:12,021 --> 04:20:14.005 dates are due to at least, you 6932 04:20:14,005 --> 04:20:19.005 know,, an extra few months, uh I 6933 04:20:19,005, --> 04:20:20.007.

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Suppose you've heard that 6934 04:20:20,007 --> 04:20:24.001 before., I I I should be at 6935 04:20:24,001 -->, 04:20:27.010 least mentioned at this time: 6936 04:20:27,010, -->, 04:20:29.006 and good luck and how you 6937, 04:20:29,006, -->, 04:20:33.020, further address the issues of 6938 04:20:33,020, --> 04:20:34.003, the mayor and emergency 6939, 04:20:34,003 -->, 04:20:38.021 services, things. I hope it 6940 04:20:38,021 --> 04:20:42.021 can be uh not a divided debate: 6941 04:20:42,021, --> 04:20:45.023, but a debate that we develop. 6942, 04:20:45,023, --> 04:20:47.008 good sides are developing and 6943 04:20:47,008 --> 04:20:50.023.

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It's from those important sides: 6944 04:20:50,023, --> 04:20:52.021, developing that we can possibly 6945 04:20:52,021 --> 04:20:55.004 find a good middle ground and 6946 04:20:55,004 --> 04:20:57.001. To take a certain power away. 6947 04:20:57,001, --> 04:20:59.029 from police seems an important 6948, 04:20:59,029 --> 04:20:59.024 goal that we should be 6949, 04:20:59,024, --> 04:21:01.026, considering at this time and no 6950 04:21:01,026 --> 04:21:03.025 one's talking about that and we 6951 04:21:03,025 --> 04:21:05.026 have to talk about that in very 6952.

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04:21:05,026 --> 04:21:07.006 hushed tones and I'm not quite 6953 04:21:07,006 -->, 04:21:10.016 understanding why that is, and 6954 04:21:10,016 --> 04:21:11.015. Even our progressive community, 6955 04:21:11,015 --> 04:21:17.011 is working that way. so yeah, I 6956 04:21:17,011, --> 04:21:18.015! Guess that's about all. I 6957 04:21:18,015 --> 04:21:21.008 need to say on that. good 6958, 04:21:21,008, -->, 04:21:23.021 luck.. I work on this stuff. I 6959 04:21:23,021, --> 04:21:25.028 should have. It was a very long 6960 04:21:25,028 --> 04:21:26.026 session here and I thank you. 6961 04:21:26,026 --> 04:21:28.021 for it.. I have more to say.

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6962 04:21:28,021, --> 04:21:31.010. I can't think what else I would 6963 04:21:31,010 --> 04:21:33.000 like to be talking about so 6964 04:21:33,000 --> 04:21:41.023. Thank you for this item. 6965 04:21:41,023 --> 04:21:45.011 tuson woodmansee thank you., 6966 04:21:45,011, --> 04:21:49.026 well, and I miss some of the 6967 04:21:49,026 --> 04:21:52.023 prior discussion because I 6968 04:21:52,023 --> 04:21:54.000 had a family came over 6969 04:21:54,000 --> 04:21:58.012 anyway. So.

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But I appreciate what 6970 04:21:58,012 --> 04:22:02.027 blair was saying, because I have 6971 04:22:02,027 --> 04:22:04.013 more time to discuss the the 6972 04:22:04,013 --> 04:22:08.023 people's agenda seems really 6973 04:22:08,023 --> 04:22:09.003 important and we've been 6974 04:22:09,003 --> 04:22:12.001. Talking about that and trying 6975 04:22:12,001 --> 04:22:14.019 to make amends to that that we 6976 04:22:14,019 --> 04:22:16.025 haven't gotten as much time on 6977 04:22:16,025 --> 04:22:19.008 those issues as we as we're: 6978 04:22:19,008, --> 04:22:21.021, looking like it's wrapping up, 6979 04:22:21,021, --> 04:22:26.000.

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So that's concerning and 6980 04:22:26,000 --> 04:22:28.013 that we need more time to 6981 04:22:28,013 --> 04:22:29.019, discuss the people's issues, 6982 04:22:29,019 --> 04:22:31.008, and especially our climate 6983, 04:22:31,008, -->, 04:22:36.023 crisis, and and so that that's 6984, 04:22:36,023 --> 04:22:37.001, something that we should really 6985. 04:22:37,001 --> 04:22:40.017 keep working on and I hope 6986 04:22:40,017 --> 04:22:42.028. We do and I think it's going to 6987 04:22:42,028 --> 04:22:43.029 take more time for us to come. 6988 04:22:43,029, --> 04:22:45.010 up with a I don't know if it's 6989 04:22:45,010 --> 04:22:49.004.

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Even on this schedule, 6990 04:22:49,004, --> 04:22:51.010. Exactly how many meetings we 6991 04:22:51,010 --> 04:22:52.027 have more to discuss the kind 6992 04:22:52,027 --> 04:22:54.018 of crisis, and it would be 6993 04:22:54,018, --> 04:22:59.021 great. If we had the these, the 6994 04:22:59,021 --> 04:23:04.014, the subcommittee meetings, 6995 04:23:04,014, -->, 04:23:06.017, dassin or at least share in 6996 04:23:06,017 --> 04:23:08.027 anyway, because there's a lot of 6997 04:23:08,027, --> 04:23:10.024 information to keep up on and I 6998 04:23:10,024 --> 04:23:11.011 think that needs to be a 6999 04:23:11,011 --> 04:23:13.017 change..

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We've learned just how 7000 04:23:13,017 --> 04:23:15.028 important. The subcommittees are 7001 04:23:15,028, --> 04:23:16.006, and then it should be open, so 7002 04:23:16,006, --> 04:23:19.021. We can be more engaged in 7003 04:23:19,021 --> 04:23:20.026. What's going, on.

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seems like a 7004 04:23:20,026 --> 04:23:21.017 lot of things are falling 7005, 04:23:21,017, --> 04:23:23.017 through the cracks, and so I 7006 04:23:23,017, --> 04:23:24.011 think that's one way of 7007 04:23:24,011 --> 04:23:28.010 addressing, but mostly how many 7008 04:23:28,010 --> 04:23:30.020 dedicated time that we will 7009 04:23:30,020 --> 04:23:32.018 have towards addressing putting 7010 04:23:32,018 --> 04:23:34.014. Excuse me the climate crisis 7011 04:23:34,014 --> 04:23:38.015 into our charter, which I think 7012 04:23:38,015 --> 04:23:40.015, would be so helpful to 7013, 04:23:40,015 --> 04:23:42.002.

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Hopefully turn things around to 7014 04:23:42,002 --> 04:23:45.015 move us towards zero. 7015 04:23:45,015 -->, 04:23:52.011 roland, thank you., so I did 7016 04:23:52,011 --> 04:23:56.016 review the entire thing: with, 7017 04:23:56,016, --> 04:23:59.017, you know, events on policing, 7018, 04:23:59,017, --> 04:24:01.004, and I'm really concerned that 7019 04:24:01,004 --> 04:24:03.007. This is going to get in on the 7020 04:24:03,007 --> 04:24:05.006 can kick down the road and 7021 04:24:05,006 --> 04:24:07.007 nothing's going to be done. and 7022 04:24:07,007 --> 04:24:08.000. I got to tell you what my 7023 04:24:08,000 --> 04:24:11.004 concern is..

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So first of all, I 7024 04:24:11,004 --> 04:24:13.003, do share the sense of 7025 04:24:13,003 --> 04:24:15.015 frustration expressed by a lot 7026 04:24:15,015 --> 04:24:17.012 of young people., but when you 7027 04:24:17,012 --> 04:24:19.006 got young people from oakland 7028 04:24:19,006, --> 04:24:21.017, who get on to baltimore all the 7029 04:24:21,017 --> 04:24:23.005, way down to san jose and then 7030 04:24:23,005 --> 04:24:26.020 get to the light rail.

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All the 7031, 04:24:26,020 --> 04:24:28.003 way down to the santa teresa 7032 04:24:28,003 --> 04:24:30.028 station, which is my 7033 04:24:30,028 --> 04:24:31.005 neighborhood, and then they 7034 04:24:31,005 --> 04:24:33.005 start walking around my 7035 04:24:33,005 --> 04:24:35.026 neighborhood, taking down 7036 04:24:35,026 --> 04:24:37.021 neighbors fences and quite 7037 04:24:37,021 -->, 04:24:39.029 frankly threatening to set my 7038 04:24:39,029 --> 04:24:41.015 neighbor's house is on fire and 7039 04:24:41,015 --> 04:24:43.026. There is nobody out there that 7040, 04:24:43,026 --> 04:24:44.015 is capable of declaring an 7041 04:24:44,015, --> 04:24:48.021 emergency and a curfew..

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That's 7042, 04:24:48,021 --> 04:24:50.003 a problem and unless something 7043 04:24:50,003 --> 04:24:52.023 is done,. This is not going to 7044 04:24:52,023 --> 04:24:54.021 end well, because when people 7045 04:24:54,021 --> 04:24:56.020 stop attacking other people's 7046 04:24:56,020 --> 04:24:58.001 property,. These people defended 7047, 04:24:58,001, --> 04:25:01.009 themselves and the final 7048 04:25:01,009 --> 04:25:03.019 outcome, quite frankly, is not 7049 04:25:03,019 --> 04:25:05.019 anywhere, where I think any of 7050 04:25:05,019 --> 04:25:07.012 us want to go to moving 7051 04:25:07,012 --> 04:25:10.007 forward..

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I really hope that you 7052 04:25:10,007 --> 04:25:11.019, will take that into 7053 04:25:11,019 --> 04:25:13.014 consideration and move to the 7054 04:25:13,014 --> 04:25:16.021 issue, and my understanding is 7055 04:25:16,021 --> 04:25:18.017 that you'll be voting for this 7056 04:25:18,017 --> 04:25:20.025 november, the 16th and hopefully 7057 04:25:20,025 --> 04:25:21.029. We can get some kind of 7058 04:25:21,029 --> 04:25:25.013 agreement by then. thank you., 7059, 04:25:25,013, --> 04:25:28.025 back to the chair. thank 7060, 04:25:28,025 --> 04:25:30.009 you..

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Now for the public comment: 7061 04:25:30,009, --> 04:25:33.004 to any members of the public 7062 04:25:33,004 --> 04:25:35.029, who want to speak on any item: 7063 04:25:35,029, --> 04:25:36.013 that does not appear tonight. 7064 04:25:36,013, --> 04:25:38.011, does not appear on tonight's 7065 04:25:38,011 -->, 04:25:40.028 agenda. speaker can call the 7066 04:25:40,028 --> 04:25:42.026 first speaker could be called 7067 04:25:42,026 --> 04:25:47.004 impeachment. hi. thank you., 7068 04:25:47,004, --> 04:25:49.024. Thank you very much for this 7069 04:25:49,024 --> 04:25:53.025 important meeting.. I you know, 7070 04:25:53,025 --> 04:25:56.014.

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I just a person, you know,, 7071, 04:25:56,014, --> 04:25:58.010 spoke about that. We can begin 7072, 04:25:58,010, --> 04:26:00.019, to address issues of taking 7073 04:26:00,019 --> 04:26:01.002 away a certain power from the 7074 04:26:01,002 --> 04:26:04.023 police chief. At times of 7075 04:26:04,023 --> 04:26:05.000 emergency.. She was actually 7076, 04:26:05,000, --> 04:26:07.015, very matter of fact about it. 7077, 04:26:07,015, --> 04:26:08.020. She wasn't talking in hushed, 7078, 04:26:08,020, -->, 04:26:10.003 tones.. It was very decent and 7079 04:26:10,003, --> 04:26:12.022 matter of fact.

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The way she said, 7080 04:26:12,022, -->, 04:26:14.018 it and you know that totally 7081 04:26:14,018 --> 04:26:16.011 convinced me that we're not 7082 04:26:16,011 --> 04:26:18.013. Quite talking about this 7083 04:26:18,013 --> 04:26:20.009 subject the way we can be and 7084 04:26:20,009 --> 04:26:22.003, and it really deserves a 7085 04:26:22,003 --> 04:26:24.025 thought by ourselves what we 7086 04:26:24,025 --> 04:26:25.022, can do for the future., the 7087 04:26:25,022 --> 04:26:28.019 issue. It does need to be and 7088 04:26:28,019 --> 04:26:30.012 work.. Good luck, how we can do 7089, 04:26:30,012, --> 04:26:32.008, that for all sides.

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I think 7090 04:26:32,008 --> 04:26:33.021. We can reach some really 7091 04:26:33,021 -->, 04:26:38.001, interesting good things.. I 7092 04:26:38,001 --> 04:26:41.010, someone mentioned a.I.

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issues, 7093 04:26:41,010, --> 04:26:42.015, and I wanted to quickly mention 7094 04:26:42,015 --> 04:26:43.009 the importance of what you 7095 04:26:43,009 -->, 04:26:44.020 know,, the surveillance, 7096 04:26:44,020, --> 04:26:46.024 technology audience is about in 7097, 04:26:46,024 --> 04:26:49.012 terms of it is meant as a 7098 04:26:49,012 --> 04:26:51.025 process of civil rights and 7099 04:26:51,025 --> 04:26:53.018 civil protection, ideas of 7100 04:26:53,018, --> 04:26:55.009, everyday community persons and 7101 04:26:55,009 --> 04:26:58.024 how they can learn to use that 7102 04:26:58,024 --> 04:27:03.016 their sense of ideas for 7103 04:27:03,016, --> 04:27:06.012 themselves in order to speak to 7104, 04:27:06,012 --> 04:27:09.029 their government and it gives 7105 04:27:09,029 -->, 04:27:10.020 them empowerment and gives them 7106, 04:27:10,020, -->, 04:27:13.013 power, and it's an incredible 7107, 04:27:13,013 --> 04:27:15.002 tool for a future that I 7108 04:27:15,002, --> 04:27:20.013, think it can very much.

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I you 7109 04:27:20,013 --> 04:27:22.003 know, address how we work: 7110, 04:27:22,003, --> 04:27:24.012 towards future progressive 7111, 04:27:24,012, -->, 04:27:25.000 practices.. I think we're going 7112 04:27:25,000 --> 04:27:28.000 to have to use it as a tool and 7113 04:27:28,000 --> 04:27:29.009. That's why I'm talking about we 7114 04:27:29,009 --> 04:27:30.021 have to prepare for the next 7115 04:27:30,021 --> 04:27:31.014 ten, 15 years, where they can 7116 04:27:31,014 --> 04:27:34.021 help develop and it can help 7117 04:27:34,021 --> 04:27:36.014 with the issues.

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now alper, 7118, 04:27:36,014, --> 04:27:38.026 stuff is, is based on open 7119, 04:27:38,026, -->, 04:27:39.004 democratic practices., they've, 7120, 04:27:39,004, --> 04:27:41.021 been doing their practices, 7121 04:27:41,021, -->, 04:27:42.026, better data collection and 7122 04:27:42,026 --> 04:27:43.015 whatever, because of 7123 04:27:43,015 --> 04:27:45.001 surveillance technology, stuff, 7124, 04:27:45,001, -->, 04:27:47.017, open democracy,, civil rights, 7125 04:27:47,017, -->, 04:27:49.019, protections. check it out. this 7126 04:27:49,019 --> 04:27:51.013 is good stuff, as the 7127 04:27:51,013 --> 04:27:58.002 woodmansee ok,.

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Well, I did 7128 04:27:58,002 --> 04:28:01.026 touch that last chart that you 7129 04:28:01,026 --> 04:28:02.022, put up when it came down to the 7130 04:28:02,022 --> 04:28:04.021 meeting, and it was discussing 7131 04:28:04,021, --> 04:28:07.029 the agenda and, like I 7132 04:28:07,029 --> 04:28:09.003 say,, you know,. It's there's a 7133 04:28:09,003 --> 04:28:13.025 lot of the bundled together 7134 04:28:13,025 --> 04:28:15.008 under policing, accountability, 7135, 04:28:15,008, -->, 04:28:18.026 inclusion., you know,, that's a 7136 04:28:18,026 -->, 04:28:21.002 big basket of stuff.. It's not 7137 04:28:21,002 --> 04:28:23.011, really clear what we're going.

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7138, 04:28:23,011 --> 04:28:24.029 to be addressing in each of the 7139 04:28:24,029 --> 04:28:26.024 meetings, and I don't really see 7140 04:28:26,024, -->, 04:28:29.011 crime crises in their in any 7141, 04:28:29,011 --> 04:28:33.008 way articulated.. So it seems 7142, 04:28:33,008, --> 04:28:36.019 like it's, not it's not being 7143 04:28:36,019 --> 04:28:38.019, given the attention that it 7144 04:28:38,019 --> 04:28:44.005, needs and deserves.

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If it is an 7145 04:28:44,005, -->, 04:28:46.011 emergency., we've all declared a 7146 04:28:46,011 --> 04:28:48.027 climate emergency and yet we're 7147, 04:28:48,027 --> 04:28:49.009 not treating it like emergency 7148, 04:28:49,009, --> 04:28:52.000, and that is the real problem: 7149 04:28:52,000, --> 04:28:55.008, and that's what thornberg says: 7150 04:28:55,008 --> 04:28:56.023 that we're all denial is 7151.

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04:28:56,023 --> 04:28:57.003 because we're not treating it 7152, 04:28:57,003 --> 04:29:00.019, like an emergency and it truly 7153, 04:29:00,019 --> 04:29:04.008 is, and so you know how we're 7154, 04:29:04,008 --> 04:29:07.013 going to stuff it into this 7155 04:29:07,013 --> 04:29:09.020 little agenda that we're 7156 04:29:09,020 --> 04:29:11.010, setting up your calendar., it's 7157, 04:29:11,010 --> 04:29:13.000, not really even clear to the 7158 04:29:13,000 --> 04:29:15.002 public.

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When, when it's going to 7159 04:29:15,002 --> 04:29:18.004, be you know, in terms to say 7160 04:29:18,004, --> 04:29:19.024, how we're going to get the 7161 04:29:19,024 --> 04:29:20.002 hundred thousand people like 7162 04:29:20,002, --> 04:29:24.003. They do in italy or germany to 7163 04:29:24,003 -->, 04:29:26.024 protest,, you know,. We don't 7164 04:29:26,024, --> 04:29:27.018, even know when it's going to be 7165, 04:29:27,018 --> 04:29:29.026 your meetings about our climate, 7166, 04:29:29,026, -->, 04:29:31.017 crisis to get the people to 7167 04:29:31,017 --> 04:29:34.019 come to say that we demand this 7168 04:29:34,019 --> 04:29:38.008.

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So it's not a very open process: 7169 04:29:38,008, -->, 04:29:42.017 and it hasn't been, and so maybe 7170 04:29:42,017 --> 04:29:44.025. If we extend it longer, we could 7171 04:29:44,025 --> 04:29:46.011 do that., but we're not not even 7172 04:29:46,011 --> 04:29:48.002 articulating where it is an 7173 04:29:48,002, --> 04:29:50.014 agenda, so that needs to be 7174, 04:29:50,014, -->, 04:29:51.003 improved and the public 7175 04:29:51,003 --> 04:29:59.026 outreach, roland well, thank you.

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7176 04:29:59,026, --> 04:30:00.012 for your service and this 7177 04:30:00,012 --> 04:30:03.019 evening, but I'm going to do 7178, 04:30:03,019, --> 04:30:06.026, something that I quite frankly 7179 04:30:06,026 --> 04:30:08.019 have to do is to get involved. 7180, 04:30:08,019, --> 04:30:11.016 into politics, specifically. 7181, 04:30:11,016, -->, 04:30:13.029 people are not even elected or 7182 04:30:13,029 --> 04:30:14.008 do not have any chance of ever 7183 04:30:14,008 --> 04:30:18.028, getting elected. and just for 7184 04:30:18,028 --> 04:30:19.017, the record,, I'm not an american 7185, 04:30:19,017 --> 04:30:21.017 citizen.

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So I'm not even to 7186 04:30:21,017 --> 04:30:22.002 vote., I'm not going to give you 7187 04:30:22,002 --> 04:30:25.014, my two cents anyway.. You are 7188 04:30:25,014, -->, 04:30:27.024, incredibly powerful and you 7189 04:30:27,024 --> 04:30:29.002 have an incredible opportunity: 7190 04:30:29,002 --> 04:30:32.012 of finally putting somebody to 7191, 04:30:32,012, --> 04:30:34.014, rest who's been meddling with 7192 04:30:34,014, -->, 04:30:36.016, santa clara county politics for 7193 04:30:36,016 --> 04:30:38.004 over two decades, and that's 7194 04:30:38,004 --> 04:30:41.018 carl galdino.. Look at what just 7195 04:30:41,018 --> 04:30:44.020 happened.

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He and we'll see each 7196 04:30:44,020 --> 04:30:47.025 other, and why would he do that? 7197 04:30:47,025 -->, 04:30:49.019 well,? He knows that davis, 7198 04:30:49,019, -->, 04:30:51.007 electable.. They tried to bring 7199 04:30:51,007 --> 04:30:53.013 in matt mayo., good luck with 7200 04:30:53,013, -->, 04:30:55.021 that. and he said, well, how 7201 04:30:55,021 --> 04:30:58.009. Can I possibly be relevant as 7202 04:30:58,009 --> 04:31:00.023? They don't want everything to 7203, 04:31:00,023 --> 04:31:02.028, be surrounded by anyone, bizarro 7204, 04:31:02,028, --> 04:31:04.011 and there you go and talk to 7205 04:31:04,011 --> 04:31:06.001 each other.

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past practice is a 7206 04:31:06,001, -->, 04:31:09.017 medium. But now, let's just 7207 04:31:09,017 -->, 04:31:11.000, suppose that you do. This is 7208 04:31:11,000 --> 04:31:15.027, that somehow, when you change to 7209 04:31:15,027 --> 04:31:17.014, the tsa, you make it possible 7210, 04:31:17,014, --> 04:31:20.022 for merely kabul to run and 7211 04:31:20,022 --> 04:31:21.000.

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That's our point in time is 7212 04:31:21,000, --> 04:31:23.016, going to be really,, really 7213 04:31:23,016 --> 04:31:24.011, interesting to see what carl 7214 04:31:24,011 --> 04:31:26.016 gabino next move is going to 7215 04:31:26,016, --> 04:31:28.011 be., so to leave that we used to 7216, 04:31:28,011 --> 04:31:30.019, think about this evening and 7217 04:31:30,019 --> 04:31:31.024. Once again, thank you for your 7218 04:31:31,024 --> 04:31:37.008 service. back to the chair and 7219 04:31:37,008 --> 04:31:42.019. Thank you smith.! Thank so much. 7220 04:31:42,019, --> 04:31:43.017.

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I know we're very close to 7221 04:31:43,017 --> 04:31:46.026 adjournment on a late night.. I 7222 04:31:46,026 --> 04:31:47.003 did just want to take a moment. 7223 04:31:47,003 --> 04:31:49.014, though first of all just to 7224 04:31:49,014 --> 04:31:50.003 appreciate all the members of 7225 04:31:50,003 --> 04:31:54.000, the public who have dedicated a 7226 04:31:54,000 --> 04:31:56.008 lot of time to attending our 7227 04:31:56,008 --> 04:31:59.000 meetings.. I wanted to respond 7228, 04:31:59,000, --> 04:32:02.026 to or just reflect on a comment: 7229 04:32:02,026 --> 04:32:04.019 that roland shared again 7230 04:32:04,019 --> 04:32:06.027.

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Appreciating the really 7231 04:32:06,027 --> 04:32:07.009, thoughtful perspectives that 7232 04:32:07,009 --> 04:32:09.029 roland has brought to our 7233 04:32:09,029 --> 04:32:10.029 meetings, and then it sounds 7234 04:32:10,029, --> 04:32:11.004, like he's having some serious 7235 04:32:11,004 --> 04:32:14.012 challenges in his neighborhood. 7236 04:32:14,012 --> 04:32:15.002. Don't have a lot of context for 7237 04:32:15,002, --> 04:32:17.029 that and I just want to observe 7238 04:32:17,029 --> 04:32:20.016, that without context.

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talking 7239 04:32:20,016 --> 04:32:22.021 about young people from oakland 7240, 04:32:22,021, --> 04:32:24.018, taking public transportation to 7241 04:32:24,018 --> 04:32:26.008, a neighborhood in san jose to 7242 04:32:26,008 --> 04:32:29.029 inflict property damage really 7243 04:32:29,029 --> 04:32:30.003 has the potential impact of 7244 04:32:30,003 --> 04:32:33.025, inflaming some very serious 7245 04:32:33,025 --> 04:32:34.024 racial stereotypes and changing 7246 04:32:34,024 -->, 04:32:36.002 stereotypes., I'm sure that was 7247, 04:32:36,002, --> 04:32:39.009, not roland's intention, but I 7248 04:32:39,009 --> 04:32:41.005 felt I would be remiss without 7249 04:32:41,005 --> 04:32:43.019, addressing that in the speech.

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7250 04:32:43,019 --> 04:32:44.006 and calling upon all of us as 7251 04:32:44,006, --> 04:32:46.019 commissioners, as well as 7252 04:32:46,019, --> 04:32:47.020. Everyone who joins the space, 7253 04:32:47,020, -->, 04:32:49.020 staff and members, the public to 7254, 04:32:49,020 --> 04:32:51.023, be very cautious about about 7255 04:32:51,023 --> 04:32:52.027, how we speak and how we 7256 04:32:52,027 --> 04:32:54.006, potentially reinforce 7257 04:32:54,006 --> 04:32:56.016 stereotypes that are very 7258, 04:32:56,016 --> 04:32:58.005, damaging to our communities of 7259, 04:32:58,005, -->, 04:33:00.011 color, and to young people. 7260 04:33:00,011 --> 04:33:03.015 thank you.

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thank you., 7261 04:33:03,015, --> 04:33:05.024, commissioner butler.. I just 7262 04:33:05,024 --> 04:33:06.013 want to also remind members of 7263 04:33:06,013 --> 04:33:08.023, the public and the commission 7264 04:33:08,023 --> 04:33:10.012 that our work is not ended. 7265 04:33:10,012, --> 04:33:13.004. After our last meeting, because 7266 04:33:13,004 --> 04:33:15.023 there's going to be a rigorous 7267, 04:33:15,023 --> 04:33:16.023 debate at council and your 7268 04:33:16,023 --> 04:33:17.000 council members are going to 7269 04:33:17,000 --> 04:33:20.025.

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Ask you to talk about it., so I 7270 04:33:20,025 --> 04:33:21.002, just think that what we are 7271 04:33:21,002 --> 04:33:23.005 report is going to do, is 7272 04:33:23,005 --> 04:33:25.007 generate the conversation in 7273 04:33:25,007 --> 04:33:26.027, the community, which is a 7274 04:33:26,027, --> 04:33:27.000, vigorous conversation. We want 7275 04:33:27,000 --> 04:33:30.006 to have in the community about 7276 04:33:30,006 --> 04:33:31.002 the recommendations that we 7277 04:33:31,002 --> 04:33:34.023 make..

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So I do think our our 7278 04:33:34,023 --> 04:33:35.021 our duties as members, as 7279 04:33:35,021 --> 04:33:39.000, representatives of our of our 7280 04:33:39,000 --> 04:33:41.009, the elected representatives who 7281 04:33:41,009 --> 04:33:42.014, have appointed us to this,. I 7282 04:33:42,014 --> 04:33:44.022 think we will be having lots of 7283 04:33:44,022 --> 04:33:46.009 conversations and a rigorous 7284 04:33:46,009 --> 04:33:49.022 debate at the council, where 7285 04:33:49,022, --> 04:33:50.001 decision makers can actually 7286 04:33:50,001 --> 04:33:53.008, make that take action and then 7287 04:33:53,008, --> 04:33:55.002 items do go to the ballot.

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and 7288 04:33:55,002 --> 04:33:57.024 again another rigorous debate, 7289 04:33:57,024 --> 04:33:58.002 in public around the 7290 04:33:58,002 --> 04:34:00.018 recommendations that we make. 7291 04:34:00,018 --> 04:34:02.007. So I do see the the long term 7292 04:34:02,007 --> 04:34:04.015 piece of this as something that 7293 04:34:04,015 --> 04:34:07.023.

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We also said is this remember: 7294 04:34:07,023, --> 04:34:08.023, and at that I'm going to 7295, 04:34:08,023 --> 04:34:11.026 adjourn tonight and to our next 7296 04:34:11,026 --> 04:34:13.027 meeting of the commission, which 7297 04:34:13,027 --> 04:34:15.023 is october: 18th., twenty twenty 7298 04:34:15,023 --> 04:34:17.004 one at five thirty.. Thank you, 7299 04:34:17,004, --> 04:34:19.003, all four members of the public 7300 04:34:19,003 --> 04:34:20.010 for being with us and for the 7301 04:34:20,010 --> 04:34:21.009 commissioners.. Thank you for 7302 04:34:21,009, --> 04:34:27.000, your service tonight and 7303 04:34:27,000 --> 04:34:28,009 I.