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From YouTube: DEC 14, 2021 | City Council Morning Session
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City of San José, California
City Council Morning Session of December 14, 2021
Pre-meeting citizen input on Agenda via eComment at https://sanjose.granicusideas.com/meetings.
This public meeting will be held at San José City Hall and also accessible via Zoom Webinar. For information on public participation via Zoom, please refer to the linked meeting agenda below.
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B
And
sjsu
and
rabbi
bernstein
has
been
leading
shabbat
of
sjsu
since
2016
and
shabad
dtsj,
since
2019
rabbi,
bernstein
also
serves
as
the
jewish
chaplain
at
the
santa
clara
county
maine
jail
and
elmwood
raised
in
toronto,
canada
and
studied
in
schools
across
the
world,
israel,
new
haven,
connecticut,
brooklyn,
new
york
and
los
angeles,
where
he
received
his
rabbinical
or
ornation.
B
In
addition
to
serving
in
a
volunteer
capacity
to
jewish
communities
in
germany
and
the
island
of
grenada,
shabbat
dtsj
serves
our
community
through
a
variety
of
programs.
They
offer,
including
mommy
and
me,
is
a
series
of
innovative
classes
that
allow
moms
and
their
kids
to
experience
jewish
tradition
in
a
stimulating
fun
and
creative
environment.
C
In
ancient
jewish
tradition,
we
start
with
a
lightheaded
lighthearted
story
to
get
the
discussion
started
on
the
right
foot.
So
I'd
like
to
share
with
you
a
short
story,
a
small
child
was
in
need
of
about
a
hundred
dollars.
Finding
no
way
to
procure
it.
He
decides
to
turn
to
god.
He
pens
a
letter
and
in
it
he
writes
dear
god,
I'm
in
desperate
need
of
a
hundred
dollars.
Please
send,
and
he
puts
it
in
the
in
the
in
the
envelope
and
addresses
it
to
god
and
drops
it
in
the
mailbox
the
mailman
receives
it.
C
He
doesn't
know
how
to
forward
it,
so
he
figures
we'll
send
it
to
the
president's
office.
Sure
enough
the
mail
gets
forwarded
and
somehow
by
some
miracle,
perhaps
god
was
listening.
The
envelope
lands
on
the
president's
desk.
The
president
reads:
it
and
his
heartstrings
have
been
tugged
and
he
feels
like
this
is
a
wonderful
story.
He'll
send
back
10
sure
enough.
The
child
receives
the
envelope
a
few
days
later
addressed
from
the
president
through
washington.
C
C
I'd
like
to
share
with
you
today
a
universal
message
that
I
believe
is
more
important
and
and
crucial
than
ever
before.
You
may
be
familiar
with
something
called
the
seven
noahide
laws.
Noah,
of
course,
is
the
person
in
the
story
of
the
flood,
and
it's
called
the
seven
noahide
laws,
because,
according
to
that
story,
we
all
descend
from
noah,
and
so
really
it's
a
universal
message.
C
C
Number
three
do
not
murder.
The
value
of
human
life
cannot
be
measured
to
destroy
a
single
human
life
is
to
destroy
the
entire
world
because
for
that
person
and
in
some
sense
their
families
and
loved
ones
as
well,
the
world
has
ceased
to
exist.
It
follows,
therefore
that
by
sustaining
a
single
human
life,
you
are
sustaining
an
entire
world
number
four
do
not
eat
a
limb
off
of
a
living
animal
respect,
the
life
of
all
god's
creatures.
As
intelligent
beings.
We
have
a
duty
to
not
cause
undue
pain
to
other
creatures.
C
C
Intimate
relations
can
be
so
powerful,
but
when
abused,
nothing
can
be
more
debasing
and
destructive
to
the
human
being.
Finally,
number:
seven
establish
courts
of
law
and
ensure
justice
in
our
world
with
every
small
act
of
justice.
We
are
restoring
harmony
to
our
world,
synchronizing
it
with
a
supernal
order.
C
This
is
why
we
must
keep
the
laws
that
have
been
established
by
our
government
for
the
country's
stability
and
harmony
today,
in
this
room,
we're
mostly
focused
on
number
seven,
which
is
the
establishment
of
government
and
good
legal
practice,
but
the
other
six
are
just
as
crucial
as
well
on
a
final
note
today
is
a
jewish
fasting.
It's
not
yom
kippur,
you
may
you
would
have
known
if
it
was,
but
there
are
other
fast
days
on
the
jewish
calendar.
C
Today
is
the
10th
of
te
vet,
which
marks
the
siege
of
jerusalem
of
old
about
2
500
years
ago
and
which
ultimately
ultimately
led
to
the
destruction
of
the
temple.
The
talmud
describes
how,
instead
of
uniting
against
the
common
enemy
that
was
attacking
the
city
of
jerusalem,
jewish
factions,
jewish
factions
inside
of
jerusalem
battled
with
each
other
over
rulership
and
overpower,
and
the
correct
direction
to
take
the
city
of
jerusalem.
Therefore,
the
talmud
teaches
because
of
baseless
hate
between
people,
jerusalem
was
destroyed.
C
My
mentor
and
teacher
the
labachareba
asks.
Why
does
the
talmud
insist
that
it
was
baseless
hatred?
If
you
read
the
story
closely,
it
wasn't
baseless
at
all.
It
seems
as
though
there
was
ideological,
pragmatic
reasons
for
this
division.
Certainly
there
would
be.
There
are
some
valid
reasons
for
their
disagreements,
but
there
are
the
answers
and
I'd
like
you
to
take
this
message
home.
That
no
reason
is
ever
enough
for
hate.
The
commonality
of
our
fate
runs
so
much
deeper
than
any
possible
cause
for
animosity.
C
All
hate,
then,
is
baseless,
h,
hatred
if
basil's
hatred
was
the
cause
of
the
destruction
of
the
temple,
says
the
rebbe.
It
is
a
remedy.
It
can
be
remedied
by
baseless
love,
our
rediscovery
of
the
intrinsic
unity,
which
overrides
all
reasons
for
discord
and
strife
to
healing
and
bettering
our
society.
One
step
at
a
time.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you
rabbi
bernstein,
it's
a
pleasure
to
have
you
here
and
thank
you
for
sharing
your
insights.
All
right,
we'll
move
to
our
ceremonial
item.
Councilman
paralyse,
will
join
me
at
the
podium
we're
going
to
recognize
and
command
the
greater
downtown
san
jose
economic
recovery
task
force.
We
have
a
few
members
of
that
task
force
here.
D
E
All
right
well,
thank
you.
Today.
We
are
here
to
recognize
members
of
the
greater
downtown
economic
recovery
task
force
and
although
my
office
did
convene
the
task
force,
it
was
actually
members
of
our
community
that
came
together
to
actually
form
initially
the
concept
of,
and
then
the
structure
in
the
members
of
a
task
force
back
in
may
of
2020
at
the
onset
of
the
coven
19
pandemic.
E
E
I
want
to
personally
commend
all
the
task
force
members,
because
during
the
pandemic,
besides
trying
to
survive
economically
on
their
own,
these
individuals
chose
to
not
throw
in
the
towel
and
instead
they
fought
for
a
seat
at
the
table
as
decisions
that
affected
their
livelihood
were
on
the
line
sometimes
daily
and
thanks
to
them,
they
helped
spur
the
creation
again
of
our
ongoing
efforts
for
our
city-wide
recovery
task
force,
and
we
are
thankful
for
every
member
of
the
task
force
and
we
are
here
joined
today
by
our
co-chairs
of
the
task
force,
lisa
umar,
the
executive
director
of
san
jose
taiko,
cashbourne,
owner
of
haberdasher
san
jose
and
cash
only
and
dalia
rossen,
co-founder
and
executive
director
of
new
ballet,
and
it
is
my
pleasure
to
ask
the
mayor
to
provide
each
of
them
with
a
commendation
for
their
efforts,
and
I
don't
know
if
somebody
is
interested
in
speaking,
but
so
we'll
hand
it
over.
G
A
D
D
D
Okay,
nancy
klein
is
here
ready
to
read
changes
into
the
record
for
item
211.
So
let's
pull
that
item
now.
This
is
again
lease
extension
naming
rights
for
san
jose
muni.
I
Mayor
and
council
nancy
klein
economic
development
mayor.
Thank
you
very
much.
We
have
worked
to
extend
the
lease
for
the
giants
for
a
period
of
10
years
in
total
and
on
december
7th.
The
giants
identified
that
a
change
of
ownership
for
the
club
has
taken
place
it.
The
leadership
of
the
giants.
Danorum
will
stay,
as
is
it's
just
technically
needing
to
read
in
the
new
owners
to
reflect
the
accurate
information.
I
That
is
the
entity
that
now
owns
the
giants
regarding
the
municipal
stadium
located
at
588,
eat
stalma
avenue,
including
all
ancillary
documents
necessitated
by
the
amendment,
to
extend
the
existing
lease
for
a
period
of
five
years,
with
one
option
for
dbh
to
extend
the
term
for
an
additional
five
year
period
and
approving
the
agreement
between
the
excite
credit
union
and
dbh
for
the
sponsorship
of
the
san
jose
municipal
stadium
and
the
continued
naming
of
san
jose
municipal
stadium
as
excite
ballpark
home
of
the
san
jose
giants
for
a
period
of
10
years.
Thank
you.
D
I
Dbh
diamond
baseball
holdings
is
owned
by
endeavor
and
when
you,
google,
endeavor
they're
a
very
significant
entertainment
company
and
in
this
process
they
are
shedding
some
assets
and
taking
on
other
assets.
The
the
ceo
of
dbh
is
closely
entwined
with
mlb
with
major
league
baseball
and
his
corporation
dbh
is
now
going
to
own
nine
minor
league
teams.
I
D
Okay,
great,
thank
you
all
right
and
thank
you
for
your
work
in
negotiating
that
agreement
great
to
have
the
sponsorship
and
support
minor
league
baseball
here
in
san
jose
councilmember
sparza.
J
D
Second,
all
right,
that's
the
entire
consent
calendar.
Is
that
right,
counselor!
That's
what
you
said:
correct!
Okay,
all
right!
Let's
take
public
comment
this
time.
K
All
right,
roy
rickman
here
happy
end
of
the
year
to
everyone,
as
the
current
omicron
variant
may
not
be
so
threatening
through
this
winter.
I
still
hope
santa
clara
county
local
governments
can
continue
to
find
open
creative
ways
to
talk
about
the
op,
the
kovid
19
vaccine
process
and
its
nanotechnology
with
everyday
community
alameda
county
with
a
very
strong
democratic
party
base
does
not
yet
have
a
vaccine
mandate
for
its
local
government
workers.
K
Why
do
you
think
this
is,
I
hope,
santa
clara
county,
the
city
of
san
jos
and
the
city
of
san
jose
will
want
to
reconsider
mandatory
vaccine
ideas
and,
at
this
point,
good
community,
health
and
safety
ideas
may
also
may
also
be
to
consider
what
can
be
good
forgiveness
plans
for
local
government
workers
and
people
who
will
be
uncomfortable
with
taking
this
vaccine
items.
2.14
and
2.18
includes
a
smart
outdoor
light
management
with
wi-fi
infrastructure
for
east
high
school
district
issues
in
the
next
few
months.
K
At
this
time,
can
we
all
better
consider
the
good
ideas
of
reimagine
equity,
open
public
policies
and
accountability,
as
this
can
be
an
overall,
more
well-rounded
approach
to
local
neighborhood
law
enforcement
needs,
along
with
digital
equity
questions,
items
2.17
and
2.20
is
a
reminder
of
local
dumpster
days
can
be
a
very
good
way
to
bring
all
parts
of
a
community
together
on
a
saturday
morning.
Item
two
point:
two
two
one
is
with
a
terrible
gift
drive
for
evans
lane
transitional
housing
program.
K
I
hope
we
can
have
an
open
conversation
about
the
future
use
of
federal
state
subsidies
for
people
of
eli
and
bli.
It's
money
meant
for
that
and
there's
money
not
meant
for
speculation
by
rich
housing
developers
and
an
overall
good
luck
that
we
can
rally
to
ask
the
cpuc
and
pg
e
to
learn
a
better
reasoning,
how
the
entire
solar
industry
process
continued
to
allow
to
grow
as
and
to
become
more
open,
accessible
to
people
of
low
income
and
to
low
local
community
energy
programs.
Thanks
a
lot.
L
Good
morning,
council,
this
is
paul
soto
from
the
horseshoe.
With
reference
to
number
two
on
the
on
the
calendar
on
the
agenda,
it
states
clearly
that
that
the
public
has
a
right
to
request
items
pulled
from
consent,
consistent
with
the
any
council
member,
it's
on
par
with
that.
L
So
with
that
in
mind
and
and
observing
that
which
is
on
the
agenda,
I
would
like
a
2.18
pull
and
that's
number
one
and
in
addition,
this
consent
calendar
is
it's
there's
too
much
of
a
consistency
where
it's
being
stacked
with
issues
that
really
require
a
conversation.
L
There's
items
such
as
2.18
that
were
discussed
on
a
on
a
regular
agendaized
level.
They
didn't
go
through
consent
and
now
the
application
and
the
follow-up
work
with
all
of
those
conversations
are
going
through
here,
and
I
think
that
they,
considering
on
the
east
side,
has
been
majorly
majorly
impacted
by
a
lack
of
infrastructure,
lack
of
digital
infrastructure
that
I
think
that
it
warrants
more
of
a
conversation
more
of
an
open
conversation.
So
we
can
get
some
things
on
the
record.
L
You
know,
and
and
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that
that
that's
one
of
my
contentions
is
that
there
isn't
the
council
or
the
public
being
able
to
put
things
on
the
record
with
respect
to
certain
items,
and
I
think
that's
a
that's
a
violent.
Well,
it's
it
is
a
violation
of
the
law
and
you
like
referencing
the
law
that
prevents
you
from
doing
things
well
on
this
one
you're
actually
preventing
democracy
from
occurring.
So
I
would
like
to
see
that
pulled.
Thank
you.
M
Okay,
thank
you
so
much
paul
really
appreciate
that.
I
wrote
a
letter
to
our
attorney
in
regards
to
that.
Never
heard
back,
of
course,
and
you
know
this
is
what
democracy
sounds
like
is
what
what
paul
is
bringing
to
our
attention.
So
thank
you
paul
and
you
know
regards
to
the
consent
calendar
as
I
was
listening,
because
I
didn't
do
as
much
research
as
paul
does
for
everything,
but
I
was
listening
that
blair.
M
I
was
talking,
oh
no
before
that
that
our
economics
director
was
talking
about
the
giants,
and
so
I
was
okay.
Well,
that's
interesting,
because
what
we're
dealing
with
is,
you
know
supporting
issues
like
we
did
with
the
sap
center
of
building
of
car
infrastruct
car
car
based
events
and
not
changing
the
way.
We're
we're
handling
these
these
projects.
You
know
how
many
cars
will
be
going
to
the
the
the
the
giants
or
the
sap
center,
and
so
how
we're
going
to
change
that
and
what
my
husband
says.
M
You
know
parking
lot
or
anything,
but
they
have
to
pay
immensely
because
of
the
cost
we're
seeing
the
cost
in
what
happened
in
the
middle
of
our
country,
with
our
the
climate
crisis
that
we
most
recently
had
with
the
30
tornadoes
you
know
coming
to
us
and
destroying
that
whole
community
in
the
midwest
many
states-
and
these
are
the
costs
that
that
have
to
be
put
into
our
our
system.
Of
of
that,
you
know
the
giants.
M
F
G
G
D
Okay,
yeah,
I'm
sorry
forgive
me.
N
D
D
D
Okay,
given
the
the
large
number
of
substantive
items
that
I
expect
we're
going
to
hear
today,
I'm
going
to
limit
public
comment
to
one
minute,
so
we
can
ensure,
since
we're
in
the
final
meeting
of
the
year,
we
can
get
through
this
all
by
midnight.
D
D
Motion
councilmember
foley,
second
councilmember
davis-
there
is
one
member
of
the
public
would
like
to
speak.
M
Okay,
good
taxes
am
family
housing
revenue
notes
tax
exempt.
Well,
I
think
that
is
a
a
good
idea,
a
loan
of
proceeds.
M
We
were
there's
another
item,
that's
coming
up
in
regards
to
housing
that
is
dealing
with
not
having
the
commercial
underneath,
and
you
know
that's
very,
very
important
that
we
stop
doing
that
as
the
that
we
really
have
focus
on
our
housing
crisis
as
our
priority
as
a
human
right
to
provide
the
basic
need
of
housing
and
and
really
it's
food,
clothing
and
shelter
are
our
basic
needs
that
we
need
to
be
focusing
on,
and
so
when
we're,
when
we're,
our
general
plan
has
in
it
jobs
that
you
know
we're
we're
trying
to
create
locally.
M
I
understand
that,
but
the
thing
is:
is
that
the
type
of
jobs
that
we
are
we're
we're
promoting
and
is
not
sustainable
so
either
we
have
to
have
that
as
part
of
our
criteria.
L
Yes,
paul
from
the
horseshoe
mary
lou
carter,
you
had
that
plan
the
whole
time.
That's
why
this
calendar
was
stacked.
The
way
that
it
was
you
had
it
planned
the
whole
time
that
you
were
going
to
limit
limit
topics
to
one
minute.
Thus,
you
took.
K
Hi,
thank
you
blair,
beekman,
here
watch
when
you
start
the
timer
be
careful
with
that
in
the
future
tonight
today,
you
know
just
a
nice
reminder:
important
reminder
of
the
importance
of
eli
vli
and
mixed
income
ideas.
What
that
can
really
help
with
the
future
of
projects
like
this
projects
for
the
san
carlos
area,
mixed
income
ideas
may
be
really
important,
saying
for
the
san
carlos
avenue
area
in
the
future,
to
to
also
quickly
consider
you
know
the
cigarette
tobacco
limitations
being
considered
for
multi-family
housing
ideas
at
this
time.
K
I
question
it
with
the
importance
that
we're
working
on
tenants,
rights
issues
and
the
like
it
just
seems
the
wrong
time
to
consider
how
to
better
address
an
obvious
need
to
consider
the
future
use
of
tobacco
and
how
to
limit
it.
Perhaps
talking
to
corporations
more
and
working
on
tax
systems
can
be
upheld.
O
D
P
Q
Placing
more
projects
within
the
scope
of
the
pla
will
increase
all
of
these
benefits.
It
will
decrease
the
misuse
of
public
funds
on
public
construction
and
it
will
increase
the
volume
of
access
to
direct
pipeline
for
community
members
to
obtain
placement
of
building
trades
apprenticeships,
and
these
highly
prized
education
slots
provide
family
supporting
careers
with
both
health
care
and
retirement
benefits
and
leave
graduates
with
marketable
skills
and
zero
school
debt.
The
hard
work
on
implementing
this
pla
has
already
been
done.
The
processes
are
in
place
and
the
projects
are
moving
forward.
Q
M
Yes,
we've
got
to
look
at
the
issue
of
the
the
labor
unions
and
how
they
have
an
impact
on
our
our
growth.
We
just
keep
growing
and
growing
to
create
jobs,
and
we
saw
that
the
whole
thing
with
you
know,
even
with
our
transportation
and
our
bart,
it
was
all
about
jobs,
and
this
is
what
I'm
seeing
as
we're
growing
so
many
office
buildings
in
san
jose.
You
know,
we
don't
need
office
buildings,
we
need
to
work
at
home,
and
that
is
what
we
discovered
and
then
to
be
building
these
large
buildings
like
I'm.
M
Seeing-
and
you
know
anyway,
the
one
that's
coming
out
near
my
house-
I
mean
there's
so
many
of
them
that
are
happening.
We
don't
need
office,
buildings
and
and
we're
using
so
many
of
the
earth's
resources,
they're
saying
almost
two
earth
resources
we
use
every
year
and
we
have
to
stop
growing.
We
have
to
de-grow
and
so
everything
about
jobs.
We
have
to
reconsider.
You
know
basic
basic,
universal
basic
income
and
changing
things,
and
so
everything
you
know
supporting
jobs
has
to
change.
O
Good
afternoon,
mayor
and
san
jose
council,
nicole
gehring,
with
associated
builders
and
contractors,
state
and
federally
approved
apprenticeship
program,
we've
got
several
partnerships
with
goodwill
in
the
community.
We've
done
several
cohorts
and
have
put
people
like
vietnam,
veteran
eugene
delaney
into
our
laborers
program
in
vittoriana,
washington
and
people
like
that
people
deserving
a
second
chance
are
now
unable
if
the
passage
of
the
joint
apprenticeship
program
are
going
to
be
unable
to
work
in
their
community
in
the
city
where
they
live
in
the
city,
where
they're
trying
to
rebuild
their
lives
and
careers.
O
Our
apprenticeship
programs
are
among
the
top
in
graduation
rates
and
inequality,
and
I
just
don't
understand
why
you
would
want
to
limit
our
apprentices
and
the
skilled
and
trained
construction
workers
living
in
the
community
from
being
able
to
have
the
opportunity
to
work
on
projects
in
their
city.
I
urge
you
to
reject
this
policy.
The
the
bids
are
working
fine
without
the
pla.
Your
recent
bid
went
to
a
local
contractor
21
under
the
engineers
estimate.
G
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
joe
lubus,
I'm
an
independent
policy
analyst
and
I
just
want
to
highlight
a
few
times
which
plas
have
you
know
been
failing.
It
was
at
the
east
side
union
high
school
district,
the
dw
baseball
and
softball
field.
Improvements
was
estimated
at
1.8
million
was
contracted
for
2.4
million
and
that's
640
036
percent
above
estimate.
The
education
center
essential
building
systems
project
had
a
cost
to
exceed
amount
of
4.4
million
change.
Orders
have
brought
it
up
to
4.7
million
the
dw
site.
G
G
G
Louise
auerhan
good
afternoon
marin,
council
members,
louise
hourhan,
with
working
partnerships,
usa,
I
founded
and
directed
the
trades
orientation
program
top,
which
is
a
partnership
with
work
to
future
san
jose
city
college,
the
building
trades,
apprenticeships
and
public
agencies,
including
the
city
of
san
jose
on
a
volunteer
basis.
We
play
the
role
of
the
community
workforce
coordinator
for
the
current
san
jose
pla,
due
to
the
limited
scope.
G
L
Paul
soto
from
horseshoe
we
saw
it
demonstrated
in
the
shadow
of
the
thomas
fallon
house,
slavery
in
its
most.
In
its
most
simplest
terms,
it
was
slavery,
okay,
so
working
partnerships
and
and
south
bay
labor
council.
They
couldn't.
They
didn't
prevent
that.
Okay,
and
that
was
sickening
to
me,
because
what
it
told
me
is
the
lengths
by
which
the
developers
will
go.
I
don't
care
if
it
was
a
subcontractor.
Ultimately,
the
person
that
is
building
that
building
they
are
ultimately
responsible.
L
Okay
and
those
men
were
enslaved
inside
of
a
container
in
downtown
in
san
pedro
square.
Oh,
but
we're
gonna
roll
out
the
red
carpet
for
him
right
and
just
get
just
yeah.
Okay,
you
guys
can
get
whatever
you
want.
South
bay,
labor,
council
and
working
partnerships
are
corrupting
the
system
and
allowing
that
type
of
slavery
to
exist
in
this
city.
I
take
offense
to
that
and
I
hope
there's
somebody
on
this
council.
That's
going
to
do
something.
D
All
right,
councilmember,
cohen,.
H
Yes,
thank
you
mayor.
I
want
to
make
a
motion
just
a
little
bit
of
explanation.
Our
project
labor
agreements
ensure
that
our
people
hired
to
do
projects
for
the
city
have
good
working
conditions
that
they're
provided
with
worker
protections
and
that
they're
able
to
build
skills
through
a
committed
apprenticeship
program.
H
H
So
the
proposal
is
to
make
some
very
simple
changes
in
the
text
of
the
project
labor
agreement
that
will
reduce
the
project
threshold
from
3
million
to
1
million
and
make
a
few
other
changes
to
ensure
that
more
people
get
the
benefit
of
the
project.
Labor
agreement
there's
also
a
couple
of
other
clarifications
put
in
there
to
allow
to
help
matt
cano
and
his
staff
in
public
works
ensure
that
language
is
cleaned
up
in
in
cooperation
with
the
labor
partners
in
the
project
labor
agreement.
H
So
I
want
to
move
our
memo.
The
memo
from
council
member
esparza
and
myself,
along
with
council
member
raynes's
memo
I
do
want
to.
A
H
Thank
you.
I
do
want
to
just
point
out
that
I
think
it's
important
to
make
sure
that
apprenticeship,
programs
that
are
included
in
these
are
jointly
approved
by
labor
and
management
that
just
ensures
that
these
that
these
apprenticeship
programs
are
committed
to
the
workers
that
workers
won't
be
replaced
from
project
to
project
that
they
will
that
there
are
good
apprenticeship
programs
in
place
that
will
ensure
lifelong
skill
building
and
not
bring
workers
in
from
from
out
of
town
when
possible.
H
By
making
sure
we
have
local
hires,
who
are
offered
long-term
apprenticeship,
which
will
help
them
build
a
career.
So
I
will
also
add
I'm
sorry.
I
will
add
to
that
motion
item
two
from
council
member
jones's
memo
to
just
return
to
council
in
one
year
with
the
analysis
of
these
changes.
So
I'll
make
that
amendment.
If
that's
okay
with
the
seconder.
I
D
Okay,
thank
you
vice
mayor.
B
Thank
you
mayor.
It
wasn't
that
long
ago
that
we
were
going
through
this
process,
and
I
remember
because
I
was
actively
involved
that
we
had
dueling
reports
doing
analysis,
dueling
opinions
on
whether
plas
were
going
to
add
to
the
cost
of
a
project,
how
it
would
impact
small
and
local
businesses,
the
level
of
competition
and
again,
multiple
studies
that
were
presented
to
us
with
different
conclusions,
and
it
was
really
difficult
to
really
decide
or
land
on
what
the
right
answer
is
going
to
be.
B
I
think
this
is
an
opportunity
to
at
least
do
a
pilot
or
a
test
and
have
our
own
facts
here
in
the
city,
based
on
a
year's
worth
of
data,
to
determine
whether
adjusting
the
threshold
for
the
pla
and
expanding
the
the
projects
that
would
be
incorporated
would
have
an
impact
on
those
critical
areas.
So
I
wanted
to
ask
you
matt,
in
terms
of:
is
it
feasible
and
possible
to
take
a
year's
worth
of
data
and
come
up
with
some
type
of
analysis
and
conclusions
to
to
give
us
accurate?
P
Hi
vice
mayor,
thank
you
for
your
question.
The
annually,
as
as
you
would
to
in
your
memo,
we
do
report
to
the
ced
committee
on
local
and
small
business
participation
on
public
works
projects.
Our
next
report
is
coming
to
committee.
I
think
in
january
we
as
part
of
that
annual
report.
We
can
do
analysis
on
pla
versus
non-pla
projects
and
that
should
be
re.
P
It's
a
little
extra
work,
but
it
should
be
relatively
straightforward
and
we,
what
we'll
be
able
to
see,
is
any
trends
if,
but
we
will
be
able
to
see
any
on
an
annual
basis
if
local
and
small
business
participation
is
growing
or
not.
P
Since
if
this,
if
this
recommendation
is
accepted
today,
most
of
our
projects
moving
forward
would
have
plas
on
them.
So,
although
we
would
be
able
to
see
trends,
it
would
be
difficult
to
understand
whether
what
is
impacting
those
trends,
but
we
can
definitely
report
back
on
local
and
small
business
participation
as
part
of
our
annual
report
to
ced
committee
on,
and
then
we
can
differentiate
between
pla
and
non-pla
projects
and
and
we'll
see
when
we
get
there.
What
we'll
be
able
to
decipher
from
those
trends,
maybe
we'll
see
something?
Maybe
we
won't.
B
P
Thank
you
vice
mayor
for
the
question.
This
is
what
I
alluded
to
the
mayor.
I'd
like
to
a
few
things
I'd
like
to
to
speak
to
today,
and
so
this
this
is
the
primary
one,
and
I
want
to
be
clear
that
what
I'm
about
to
say
is
nothing
about
the
pros
or
cons
of
a
pla.
That
is
a
policy
decision.
P
That's
in
front
of
city
council,
however,
as
the
director
of
public
works
responsible
for
implementing,
along
with
some
other
departments,
our
city's
multi-billion
dollar
capital
improvement
program-
and
I
I
I
will
need
a
manager
to
oversee
this-
if
not
I'll-
need
to
draw
staff
from
other
important
work,
whether
that's
minimum
wage
compliance
enforcement
in
chris's
office
or
something
else
that
I
will
need
to
figure
out.
It
is
something
that,
and
without
an
additional
staff,
I
will
need
to
do
from
a
policy
statement.
P
This
is
to
me-
and
I
haven't
been
in
public
works
that
long,
but
it
seems
to
be
the
most
important
policy
statement
that
the
city
council
is
about
to
make
for
our
multi-billion
dollar
cip
program,
it'd
be
an
umbrella
over
the
whole
policy.
Like
I
said
it
is
my
responsibility
to
ensure
these
workers
are
paid,
the
appropriate
wages
for
the
work
performed,
and
I
take
this
responsibility
very
seriously.
P
Plas
are
expanding
rapidly
throughout
the
region.
I
understand
each
union
has
a
compliance
department
that
monitors
projects
to
the
best
of
their
ability
and
provides
an
extra
level
of
enforcement.
However,
there's
no
one
central
entity
out
there
other
than
me
and
chris's
team
in
my
department,
that
is,
there's
no
central
entity,
whether
it's
with
the
unions
or
the
building
trades
council
that
is
proactively
managing
and
making
sure
that
plas
are
properly
applied
to
city
of
san
jose
projects.
P
That's
why
and
that
should
be
my
responsibility
and
it
is
my
responsibility
and
it
will
be
no
matter
what
there's
a
lot
of
work
associated
with
this
we're
increasing.
If
you
look
at
the
past
year,
we
sent
about
six
new
pla
projects
out
to
bid.
If
these
rules
had
been
applied
retroactively
the
past
year,
we
would
have
sent
about
32
pla
projects
out
to
bid
and
that's
32
pre-job
meetings,
32
projects
to
track
to
make
sure
that
the
agreements
between
the
unions
and
the
contractor
at
those
pre-job
meetings
are
being
followed.
P
32
operations,
more
opportunities
for
my
team
to
make
mistakes.
If
we're
not
being
proactive
and
when
there's
issues
that
do
arise,
they
are
still
complicated,
sometimes
to
resolve.
They
could
involve
inter-jurisdictional
issues
between
unions,
which
sometimes
can
resolve
themselves
sometimes
take
a
long
time
to
resolve
and
are
very
complicated,
and
the
city
does
need
to
take
leadership
in
that.
So
it
is
a
significant
extra
workload
for
my
team
and
we
will
definitely
implement
whatever
is
decided
today.
P
B
Yeah
and
just
continue
on
that
thought
process
can,
can
you
just
put
that
in
just
you
know
real
world
execution
terms
sure
so
we
make
the
decision
to
you
know,
approve
councilmember
cohen's
motion
your
task
to
to
manage
the
the
program,
the
changes,
the
agreement.
P
Sure,
thank
you
for
that
and
there
thank
you.
There
are
two
parts
to
this.
The
first
is
updating
the
agreement
with
the
building
trades
council.
We
we
we
can
do
that
I'll,
fit
that
in
chris
and
I'll
fit
that
in
attorney's
office
speak
for
nora,
we'll
fit
that
in
the
updates
to
the
agreement.
P
What
I
was
referring
to
was
once
the
agreement
is
updated
and
we
are
you
know
if
what
six
times
the
number
of
pla
projects
that
we
currently
have
needing
to
proactively,
have
my
management
team
understand
the
rules
of
those
plas
ensure
that
the
meetings
with
the
unions
at
the
beginning,
beginning
of
the
projects,
are
happening
and
adhered
to
as
the
project
goes
on?
That
is
a
workload
that
I
need
to
figure
out
how
to
accomplish
it's.
The
so
does
two
parts
updating
the
agreement
we
can
handle
it's
implementing.
B
P
B
A
B
Thank
you
and
then
I
also
wanted
to
speak
to
the
part
of
my
memo
that
addresses
state-approved
apprenticeship
programs.
B
That's
going
to
uplift
our
communities,
and
so
that's
why
I
didn't
want
to
have
a
either
or
I
wanted
to
have
an
in
my
proposal.
So
I'm
not
going
to
actually
ask
for
a
friendly
amendment
or
substitute
motion
at
this
time.
I
want
to
hear
from
my
my
colleagues
on
their
thoughts
and
opinions
and
then
I'll
I'll
circle
back
and
add
a
few
more
comments.
Well,
thank
you
mayor.
E
Yeah,
thank
you
very
much.
So,
just
along
the
lines
of
the
commentary
and
look
along
for
the
policy
discussion
itself,
I
am
supportive
of
the
current
direction
here.
I
was
supportive
of
that
a
couple
years
ago
when
we
were
initially
moving
this
forward,
and
ultimately
we
came
to
the
the
compromise
that
we
have
today,
one
that
I
didn't
support,
and
so
I
I
think
policy
wise,
I'm
comfortable
with
where
we're
going.
What
I'm
not
so
comfortable
with,
is
matt
which
are
talking
about.
E
As
far
as
I
don't
hear,
clarity
on
what
may
be
put
aside.
So
do
you
just
not
know
that
yet,
as
far
as
you
know,
the
work
load
or
work,
you
know
priorities
that
you
would
have
to
to
set
to
the
side
as
you've
described.
E
How
quickly
do
you
think
say
considering
this
policy
passes
today?
How
quickly
would
you
be
able
to
come
back
to
us
and
let
us
know
and
say,
hey
here's
what
we
think
the
the
additional
workload's
going
to
be,
and
because
of
that,
the
implications
will
be
we're
going
to
have
to.
You
know,
put
a
pause
on
xyz
work.
P
Thanks
for
that
question,
I
I
feel
very
confident
right
now
in
knowing
the
additional
workload.
I
know
that
in
the
early
response
form,
I
did
put
two
fdes.
I
you
know,
we've
had
a
lot
of
internal
discussions,
the
past
few
weeks
and
and
one
fte
would
suffice
and
for
now
I
think
that
would
be
enough
for
us
to
get
by
and
reagan.
P
You
know
again
that
workload
is
making
sure
all
the
pre-job
meetings
are
happening,
and
I
know
those
are
run
in
partnership
with
the
building
trades
council
and
and
but
making
sure,
also
afterwards,
that
those
are
adhered
to,
that
they're
being
followed,
that
the
agreements
that
are
made
at
those
meetings
actually
happen
working
closely
with
working
partnerships
to
make
sure
that
our
contractors
are
actually
following
the
rules
for
targeting
higher
and
because
that
is
extremely
important
and
also
not
just
you
know
right
now,
our
target,
our
work,
our
you
know,
target
to
hire
our
contractors
aren't
really
forced
to
be
proactive,
the
way
the
agreement's
currently
written.
P
We
want
them
to
be
proactive,
and
if
we
have
someone
actively
managing
that
would
be
really
helpful.
So
I
feel
very
confident
in
the
work
in
the
workload
I'm
more
passionate
about
that
and
confidence
in
the
that
we
do
need
a
staff
member
than
I
am
about
a
lot
of
things
regarding
what
would
be
put
aside.
P
It'd
be
tough,
I
think
it'd
just
be
less.
If,
if
we
didn't
have
an
additional
staff,
member
it'd
probably
be
multiple
things
that
chris
hickey's
team
does.
I
don't
think
it'd
be
one
in
particular
thing.
We
probably
would
not
be
able
to
get
to
minimum
wage
enforcement
minimum
for
minimum
wage
enforcement.
We
do.
We
are
reactive
as
an
organization
as
a
city,
we're
complaint
based
purely
and
we
would
likely
not
be
able
to
get
to
those
complaints
other
than
that.
There's
not
necessarily
one
thing
that
we
would
put
aside.
P
Our
my
labor
compliance
specialists
would
maybe
do
more
cursory
looks
at
many
projects
as
opposed
to
the
deeper
dives
they
do
on
the
certified
payrolls
right
now,
so
it'd
more
be
a
what,
in
addition,
probably
minimum
wage
would
be
what
I
would
recommend
we
really
slow
down
on,
and
everything
else
in
chris's
group
would
probably
just
take
a
reduction
as
opposed
to
stop
stopping
to
do
stop
doing
things.
E
Okay-
and
it
would
likely
be
that
projects
that
qualify
for
pla
under
this
new
program
would
ramp
up
throughout
the
year
you
you
stated
there
could
be
30,
something
where
there
would
have
been.
Maybe
30
something
plus
this
past
year,
correct
correct,
and
so
I
think,
obviously,
sooner
than
later
would
be
better
addressed
if
we
could
help
with
this
additional
staff
person.
E
So
then
that
way,
none
of
the
other
work
had
to
be
slowed
down,
but
at
worst
case
scenario,
we
may
end
up
having
to
address
this
during
the
budget
and
and
that
may
be
kind
of
the
first
half
of
of
next
year,
where
we're
really
running
into
maybe
some
challenges,
and
so
I
I'm
I'm
comfortable
with
that.
Based
on
your
answer
there
that
nothing's
really
going
to
take
a
back
seat-
I
don't
you
know.
E
Obviously
we
don't
want
to
overload
staff,
and
I
do
think
we
would
need
to
address
this
during
the
budget
to
ensure
that
with
this
policy
comes
a
staff
person
and
and
knowing
that
this
first
half
of
the
year,
that's
going
to
mean
you're
going
to
have
to
prioritize.
E
You
know
how
you're
balancing
that
it
could
be
the
case
that
you're
able
to
accomplish
everything
as
as
effectively
as
you'd
like,
depending
on
you
know
how
many
projects
are
moving
or
not
right.
Obviously,
it's
all
subjective
to
kind
of
what
comes
forward
I'll
leave
it
at
that
for
now
and
hear
what
my
other
colleagues
have
to
say.
Thanks.
F
P
P
F
P
Some
social
classes
in
engineering
school,
but
a
lot
of
it's,
and
maybe
with
some
of
the
new
engineers
that
are
but
anyway,
this
isn't
something.
People
will
typically
learn
in
engineering
school,
the
the
social
and
policy
side
of
prevailing
wage
and
project
labor
agreements,
and
why
those
are
important
and
why
those
are
important
to
the
community.
P
And
so
what
what
happens
is
if
they
don't
really.
If
my
managers
don't
truly
understand
why
the
city
is
doing
a
pla
and
why
it's
important
to
the
city
and
why
you
know,
building
our
city
with
our
community
is
just
as
important
to
as
the
structure
that
they're
building
and
then
they're
going
to
make
mistakes
and
it's
possible
that
the
contractor
will
want
to
bring
a
non
you
a
con,
bring
in
a
sub
just
for
a
couple
days.
P
Work
that
isn't
that
doesn't
and
that
doesn't
go
through
the
pla
process
and
doesn't
call
out
to
the
union
for
the
workers
and
and
that
project
manager
is
not
going
to
know
any
better
and,
and
they
may
think
it's
not
a
big
deal,
because
it's
just
a
quick
thing
and-
and
that
cannot
happen
under
my
watch,
and
I
don't
want
it
to
happen.
P
But
if
I'm
not,
if
I
don't
have
someone
out
there
continually
training
my
team
and
educating
them
on
the
value
of
a
pla,
the
purpose
of
a
pla
and
why
it's
important
for
the
city
and
the
intricacies
of
how
to
work
in
the
complicated
union
union
environment
there's
different
rule.
All
unions
have
different
rules,
for
example,
not
all
unions,
but
there's
there's
a
lot
of
different
rules
depending
on
union.
P
We
need
and
I'm
worried
about
them,
making
mistakes
if
they're
not,
and
so
I
think
your
question
was
the
time
to
train
and
we
right
now
we
not
right
now,
chris
we'll
be
we'll
need
to
train
people
multiple
times
a
year
and
be
that
not
only
train
multiple
times
a
year,
but
be
that
person.
People
are
calling
almost
on
a
daily
basis
to
say:
hey,
what's
a
pla.
What
is
this?
Why
do
we
have
to
do
this?
P
What
is
the
reason
for
this,
and
so
really-
and
I
can't
and
chris
is
in
a
in
the
division-
that's
currently
understaffed
and
he's
up
to
here
with
work,
and
I
I
can't
have
him
drawn
away
from
that
to
be
not
only
the
person
who
does
the
training
three
or
four
times
a
year
to
all
our
managers,
but
also
the
person
that
gets
daily
questions
and
has
daily
follow-up,
and
so
that's
why
I
don't
need
somebody
100
dedicated
to
training.
That
would
be
a
piece
of
what
this
fte
would
be
doing.
F
Yeah,
okay,
thank
you.
What
happens
if
one
of
your
project
managers
makes
a
mistake
like
that?
What
do
you
think
is
likely
to
happen.
P
What
would
it's
possible
that
we
would
a
couple
things
one
is
we
may
never
find
out
another
avenue
is
we
find
out
right
away
and
we
can
fix
it
right
away,
which
is
which
is
good
and
we'd?
Someone
may
complain
there
may
be
a
complaint
based
process
where
somebody
else
on
the
project
figures
it
out
and
makes
a
complaint.
We
fix
it
right
away.
P
What
I
would
typically
do
is
get
on
the
phone
immediately
with
david
benny
from
the
building
training,
council
and
we'd
figure
out
a
solution.
If
it's
something
that
was
found
right
away,
the
solutions
are
typically
pretty
easy.
If
it's
something
that
we
don't
figure
out
until
later
on
months
later,
then
it
gets
a
little
bit
more
complicated
to
figure
out
what
to
do,
because
then
we
have
to
discuss
issuing
a
notice
of
violation
to
the
contractor.
P
We
have
to
involve
that
the
building
trades
council
and
the
union
and
come
to
some
joint
resolution
about
what
happened.
What
are
we
going
to
do
about
it?
Who
we're
going
to
find
how
much
etc
and
so,
and
it
really
depends
on
how
quickly
we
can
find
it
and
find
find
the
mistake,
I'm
just
using
this
as
an
example
yeah,
I
don't
know
that.
I
don't
think
we've
I'm
not
aware
that
we've
made
this
mistake
anywhere,
but
there
is
a
real
conversation.
F
Thank
you
and
I
appreciate
that,
because
the
potential
for
making
a
mistake
is
much
greater
when
you
have
many
more
projects
and
you
have
a
lot
more
project
managers
who
are
overseeing
these
projects.
So
it
is
a
concern
and
it
is
a
concern
for
me
in
particular,
because
it
sounds
like
if
even
if
you
catch
the
mistake
early,
there
will
be
delays
in
these
projects.
P
Probably
not
a
project
delay
project
unless
there's
something
very
significant.
We
we
would
typically
keep
a
project
going.
There
would
just
be
a
delay
in
the
resolution
of
the
issue
which,
if
the
issue
involved
the
worker's
paycheck,
there
could
be
a
delay
in
the
work
or
getting
the
right
compensation
amount.
F
P
Possibly
the
reason
I'm
saying
possibly
is
because
there's
some
costs
chris's
time,
my
time,
chris's,
specialist
time
where
we
don't
build
directly
to
projects
and
we're
part
of
the
department's
overhead.
So
it's
a
it
it
couldn't.
So
I
guess
yeah,
yes,
and
if
we,
if
we
make
mistakes
on
projects
as
a
general
rule,
it
could
increase
the
cost
of
those
projects
for
them
from
the
management
side.
Although
I
don't
see
that
as
a
significant.
F
G
Yes,
thank
you,
rachel
vanderbeen,
deputy
director
of
the
housing
department,
so
the
our
the
housing
department
worked
with
matt
to
provide
a
supplemental
just
outlining
some
of
the
concerns
and
potential
impacts
to
affordable
housing
projects
as
well.
G
So
we
just
wanted
to
be
clear
and
so
really
what
we
do
is
we
see
that
there
is
potential
for
two
areas
of
impacts
that
right
now
would
be
exempt
from
the
pla,
but
but
would
be
it
folded
in
with
the
new
policy
change,
so
the
first
would
be
large
renovations
to
existing
buildings,
and
this
would
be
something
that's
over
a
million
dollars.
So
it
wouldn't.
You
know.
Obviously
that's
more.
G
You
know
a
pretty
significant
rehab,
and
so
that's
one
thing
that
we're
looking
at
and
then
another
would
be
smaller,
like
emergency
interim
housing
site
developments
that
we've
been
working
on.
That
would
be
eight
units
or
below
and
also
above
a
million
dollars,
so
it
would
have
to
meet
those
two
criteria
and,
and
then
the
pla
would
be
in
place.
So
again
we
just
want
to
be
clear
and
disclose
to
the
council
that
we
do
expect.
G
There
could
be
some
impacts
to
our
really,
I
would
say
the
the
most
impact
is
to
our
like
our
tiny
home
developments,
that
type
of
construction
that
hasn't
been
included
in
the
past.
P
P
So
if
today's
action
passes,
even
if
an
affordable
housing
project,
so
a
1.1
million
dollar,
affordable
housing,
project
of
eight
of
under
eight
units
normally
would
have
been
exempted
from
prevailing
wage.
If
it
has
a
pla
on
it
and
then
it
would
likely
pay
prevailing
wages
because
that's
what
union
wages
are
typically
set
at.
So
we
wanted
to
just
make
council
aware
today
for
just
for
an
awareness
that
that
policy
that
exempts
affordable
housing
projects
under
eight
units
from
prevailing
wage
could
be
negated
partially
by
today's
action.
F
F
I
would
like
us
to
continue
to
build
our
affordable
housing,
especially
our
emergency
interim
housing
as
expeditiously
as
possible,
and
all
this
retraining
that
matt
is
talking
about.
I
don't
want
our
affordable
housing
projects
and
especially
our
emergency
housing
projects
to
get
gummed
up
in
those
works.
Could
you
accept
that
amendment.
H
Perhaps
I'm
going
to
ask
the
seconder
as
well,
I
I
I
will
get
we'll
get
I'll
read
some
comments
about
the
training
issue
later,
but
but
I
you
know
my
to
make
sure
that
we
we're
not.
The
whole
idea
here
is
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
exploiting
workers
for
projects
that
the
city
is
doing.
So
it's
not
clear
to
me
that
there
really
is
sort
of
a
pitting
groups
against
each
other
in
this
case,
except
protecting
but
I'll
I'll.
H
J
Thanks,
I
have
a
question.
Thank
you.
I
have
a
question
about
it,
so
that
I
can
understand
it
to
see
if
I
agree
with
it,
so
this
would
include
the
rehab
correct,
councilmember
davis.
This
would
not
include
tiny
homes
where
we
have
had
wage
theft.
R
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
discussion
for
the
information.
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
something
that
councilmember
joe
vice
mayor
jones
wrote
in
his
memo,
because
the
second
and
last
paragraph
it
says
level
playing
field
between
uni
or
I
think
he
said
we
should
be
creating
as
a
city
policies
that
provide
a
level
playing
field
between
union
and
non-union.
So
I
totally
agree
with
that.
I
think
oftentimes.
R
What
my
experience
has
been
in
talking
to
folks
is
that
some
of
the
competitive
advantages
that
non-using
non-union
contractors
and
entities
have
is
really
that
they're
not
paying
folks
a
fair
wage
or
or
a
living
wage
to
be
able
to
live
in
the
area
in
which
they're
working,
and
so
I
think
that's
one
of
the
challenges
that
the
unions
often
have
is.
R
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
ask
about
so
in
my
office
I
often
tell
my
team
that
I'm
very
much
interested
in
trying
to
figure
out
solutions
right-
and
I
know
during
the
course
of
this
conversation
so
far.
It
seems
to
me
that
we've
had
a
lot
of
discussions
about
the
impediments
to
getting
some
stuff
done,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
I've
thought
about
as
we're
having
this
conversation,
I
can't
help
but
think
that
there
was
a
big
entity
not
too
long
ago.
R
P
Nancy
klein-
it
can
help
me
here,
but
that,
as
part
of
any
the
google
project,
similar
to
other
major
development
projects
is
paying
for
the
services
from
our
staff
for
public
works.
As
an
example,
they'll
be
paying
the
appropriate
fees
that
I
will
use
in
public
works
to
fund
my
staff
that
is
working
on
their
project
and
so
right
now.
R
So
nancy,
can
I
can
I
ask
you
a
question
just
and
you'll
see
where
I'm
going
with
this.
I
know
we're
a
little
far
off
here,
as
it
relates
to
the
question
about
google.
But
but
google,
can
you
refresh
my
recollection,
so
google-
and
I
think,
they're
maybe
still
doing
this,
but
as
they're
moving
forward
their
large
project
they're,
actually
contributing
some
funds
to
helping
pay
for
some
for
some
positions
within
certain
departments
to
help
move
along
the
project?
Is
that.
I
R
R
So
what
I'm
curious
about
is
have
we
had
conversations
with,
say
the
building
trades
or
some
of
these
unions
that
that
you
know
are
interested
in
doing
this
and
I
think
likely
majority
council
is
interested
in
doing
this
and
asking
them
if
they're
willing
to
fund
one
of
these
positions
to
help
facilitate
some
of
this
work,
and
that's
where
I
was
going.
Thank
you.
P
R
R
I
think,
in
the
spirit
of
trying
to
find
solutions
to
move
this
forward
if
it
is,
in
fact
the
will
of
the
council
and
if
you
in
your
department
is
going
to
be
burdened,
let's
just
say
with
with
managing
this,
I
think
it's
important
to
start
thinking
or
continue
to
think
creatively
about
how
we
fill
some
of
those
positions
and,
if
folks
can
sort
of
get
some
skin
in
the
game
as
it
relates
to
funding
one
of
these
positions
to
help
facilitate
this.
R
P
Thank
you
mayor
when
opportunity.
There's
one
more
thing.
I'd
like
to
add
sure.
That's
fine,
just
another
item
that
that,
as
as
we
all
know,
this
is
moving
pretty
fast
and
there
there
wasn't
a
staff
analysis
and
staff
report
that
that
went
into
this,
and
so
one
other
item
that
came
up
and
I
just
wanted
to
put
it
out
there
for
the
council's
consideration
and
you'll
make
the
decision
is
right.
Now
the
recommendation
is
to
put
the
framework
at
one
million
dollars
and
and
above
we
do
have
a
lot
of
things.
P
We're
tracking
in
public
works
regarding
our
procurement
processes,
and
one
thing
that
we
have
is
the
director
of
public
works
authority
for
awarding
capital
projects,
and
that
was
set
at
a
million
dollars,
but
increases
by
inflation
every
year.
So
now
it's
at
1.05
million
and
our
staff
preference
would
be
to
have
the
pla
track
that
so
purely
from
a
work
standpoint,
with
all
the
all
the
machine
that
we've
got
running
internally
in
public
works.
P
So
we
don't
have
1.05
million
for
this
1
million
for
this
and
more
opportunity
for
mistakes,
and
so
I
wanted
to
put
that
out.
There
for
the
discussion
today
and-
and
it's
obviously
you
know,
you're
you'll-
move
forward
with
what
you
move
forward
with.
Thank
you.
J
How
close,
what's
what
are
we
talking
about?
Well
right
now,.
P
D
Okay,
the
motion's
amended
councilmember.
J
F
S
Thanks
mayor
just
to
start
on
a
process
point
a-
and
this
is
probably
a
question
for
councilmember,
cohen
and
and
co-signers-
you
know
I
don't
have
the
benefit
of
having
been
through
all
the
discussion
and
debate
that
the
vice
mayor
referenced.
But
I'm
just
that
there
is
quite
a
bit
of
complexity
to
these
issues.
As
we're
hearing
on
the
diocese
today.
H
There
isn't
an
answer,
I
I
don't.
I
don't
know
the
process,
I
mean,
I
don't
know
why
it
didn't
go
to
ced
I
mean
we.
We
brought
it
to
rules
because
we
we
believe
it's
timely
and
important
to
get
the
council
to
make
this
change.
It's
an
administrative
change
in
terms
of
the
agreement.
We
had
this
conversation
before
I
think
at
rules
committee,
and
I
guess
you
can
ask
matt
about
that.
S
Yeah,
okay,
the
reason
I
ask
is
just
because
I
do
I've
tried
to
read
as
much
as
I
can
on
this
in
the
last
week,
and
you
know
I
do
share
many
of
the
concerns
that
vice
mayor
raised
about
escalating
costs
and
the
public,
therefore
getting
less
value
for
their
dollars,
impacts
on
small
local
businesses
that
may
be
non-union
and
have
some
concerns
about
excluding
them
from
the
ability
to
bid.
So
you
know
just
wrapping
my
head
around
this.
S
I
think
I
certainly
would
have
preferred
to
have
had
a
some
analysis
and
a
longer
conversation
at
the
committee
level
before
we
rush
into
making
this
decision
or
trying
to
hash
out
all
these
questions
here
on
the
diets
just
doesn't
feel
like
we've
had
enough
conversation
here
and
I
certainly
have
unanswered
questions,
and
it
does
concern,
may
also
just
note.
You
know
we're
talking
about
needing
to
add
more
staff
to
manage
more
complex
processes
at
a
time
when
we
know
we're
understaffing
critical
public
safety
functions.
S
For
example,
we
don't
have
the
police
officers
and
firefighters
that
we
want.
We've
been
unable
to
staff
planning
to
unlock
housing
in
our
urban
villages.
We've
constantly
we
say
we
don't
have
enough
staffing
and
yet
we're
talking
about
needing
to
staff
up
to
manage
more
regulation
more
process.
So
I
will
say
I
think
we
do
all
share
the
value
of
wanting
to
ensure
all
of
our
workers
are
treated
fairly.
S
I
I
do
believe
that
I
think
we
absolutely
have
a
responsibility
to
ensure
that,
when
we're
paying
for
a
project,
workers
are
treated
fairly,
have
good
working
conditions
or
paid
fairly
and
I'm
concerned
anytime.
I
read
about
that
not
being
the
case.
Obviously
it's
a
big
and
complex
market
things.
Things
sometimes
go
wrong
and
that's
why
the
law
is
there
is
to
hold
people
accountable.
So
I
guess
a
question
I
have
is
maybe
for
staff
is,
is
one
about
alternatives?
P
Sure,
thank
you
for
the
question
council
member
right
hand
and
chris
will
help
me
out
here.
We
currently
have
a
team.
Chris
hickey
is
our
division
manager
in
public
works,
and
he
has
some
labor
compliance
specialists
on
our
capital
program.
You
know
we
are,
and
you
know
to
say
we
review
100
of
everything
proactively
would
not
be
an
accurate
statement.
P
Are
paid
the
appropriate
wage
rates
there's
and
when
violations
are
found,
those
are
the
contractors
are
notified.
Those
are
fixed
as
quickly
as
possible.
Frequently
we
have
contractors
that
fix
those
right
away.
P
Sometimes
we
have
larger
issues
that
draw
out
and,
and-
and
so
that
is
what
chris's
team
does
to
proactively
enforce
the
wage
on
their
projects,
that
the
primary
difference
with
the
plas
is
to
the
wage
rate.
Is
this
prevailing
wage?
It's
the
same
overall
wage
rate
that
is
paid
to
the
workers,
whether
it's
a
actually
chris
can
help
on
that,
but
the
prevailing
wage
stays
the
same.
P
The
workers,
depending
on
benefit
packages
and
stuff,
may
may
get
less
actual
funding
one
way
or
the
other,
but
the
prevailing
wage
is
the
same
on
a
pla
project
versus
a
non-poa
project,
but
the
plas
do
require
that
the
majority
of
the
workers
go
through
the
union
when
they're
on
the
project.
So
just.
S
P
S
Point
of
violations
quickly
and
then
I
want
to
come
back
to
prevailing
wage
thanks
because
again,
you
know,
would
have
liked
to
have
gone
through
this
and
cd
to
really
fl.
You
know
dig
into
these
points,
but
just
since
we're
here
when
there
are
violations,
what
what
happens
I
mean?
Do
we
continue
to
work
with
contractors
who
have
intentionally?
S
I
mean
I
assume
some
of
the
violations
are
just
sort
of
administrative
mistakes
and
they
get
resolved
quickly
and
that's
going
to
happen
in
any
business,
but
tell
me
a
little
more
about
what
are
the
types
of
violations?
Do
we
get
to
a
point
where
we
say
this?
This
contractor
is
someone
we
won't
work
with
anymore.
I
assume
sometimes
there's
legal
recourse
and
they
can
they
can
get
in
trouble
with
the
law.
Can
you
just
tell
me
a
little
more
about
that.
P
We
also
have
a
debarment
process
in
the
city
which
we
used
a
few
years
back
for
a
wage
related
issue
on
a
contractor
where
we
debar
them
and
from
working
for
the
city
for
a
number
of
years.
S
Good
yeah,
I'm
glad
we
have
accountability
mechanisms
and
then,
when
it
comes
to
prevailing
wage,
my
understanding
is:
we
have
a
very
tight
labor
market,
everyone's
struggling
to
find
skilled
labor
these
days.
What
so
my
understanding
is
that
we
just
you,
can
have
prevailing
wage
with
or
without
plas.
Can
you
tell
me
a
little
more
about
that.
F
Yes,
thank
you
for
the
question
council
member,
christopher
hickey
division
manager
for
public
works.
Prevailing
wages
are
required
on
most
public
entity
projects
when
they
involve
construction,
alteration,
demolition,
there's
a
there's
a
long
list.
Those
wages
are
set
by
the
department
of
industrial
relations
with
the
state
of
california.
F
They
take
about
104
different
classifications,
which
they
approve
and
they
set
the
rates
that
ra.
The
rates
that
are
set
are
prevailing
that
have
a
basic
hourly
rate
that
should
be
paid
to
the
employee
and
then
a
set
of
fringe
benefits
that
include
health
insurance,
pension
training,
a
big
block
of
fringe
benefits
that
sets
the
prevailing
wage
rate.
Those
prevailing
rage.
F
Wage
rates
are
either
set
statewide
or
go
down
all
the
way
down
to
specific
counties,
and
that's
they
change
every
single
time,
but
they
are
required
on
all
projects,
except
for,
as
we
discussed
earlier,
the
housing
projects
of
eight
units
or
less.
S
Right
thanks
chris,
that's
really
helpful.
So
if
we
councilor
cohn-
maybe
you
can
help
me
understand
this.
If
we,
if
we
have
local
businesses
that
want
to
bid
on
city
capital
projects,
they
are
in
good
standing
with
the
city
and
have
not
been
found
to
be
in
you
know,
past
egregious
violation
or
intentional
violation
and
they're
in
good
standing.
They
have
a
good
reputation
and
we
have
already
prevailing
wage
with
benefits
negotiated
in.
Is
that
not
a
fair
enough
playing
field?
S
I'm
trying
to
understand
why
this
is
necessary
and
and
ultimately
the
right
thing
for
our
community
and
our
all
of
our
residents
and
our
taxpayers,
and
it
seems
that
there
are
many
other
protections
and
controls
and
maybe
they
could
be
strengthened
and
process
could
be
improved,
but
try
to
understand
why
we
need
a
rigid
policy.
That's
going
to
actually
exclude
local
contractors,
who
may
be
great
employers
and
may
be
paying
prevailing
wage
with
benefits.
H
S
S
H
I
don't
I
don't
want
to
get
into
the
debate
over
whether
project
labor
agreement
is
right
or
wrong.
We
have
a
project
labor
agreement.
I
understand
that
there's
a
difference
of
opinion.
I
I
don't
want
to
specifically
get
into
the
debate
again
about
project
labor
agreements.
We've.
The
council
has
adopted
a
project,
labor
agreement.
H
S
Okay,
well
I
I
I
have
a
hard
time.
I
mean
again.
I
wasn't
here
a
couple
years
ago
when
this
was
discussed
and
debated.
We
didn't
take
this
to
ced,
to
have
a
fuller
conversation,
not
actually
hearing
a
compelling
reason
why
we
absolutely
need
to
do
this
right
now,
so
I
just
I'm
having
a
hard
time
getting
to
a
point
where
I
feel
like
I
can.
I
can
support
this
right
now.
Thank
you.
J
Thank
you
mayor.
I
have
a
couple
of
photos
that
I
wanted
to
share
with
my
comments.
Someone
could
pull
that
up
please
and
appreciate
it.
I,
while
those
oh
okay,
so
here's
one
of
them
while
they're.
The
reason
I
wanted
to
share
the
photos
is
I
wanted
to
put
a
human
face
on
some
of
the
apprenticeships
that
are
offered
during
the
all
the
way
home
campaign
to
end
veteran
homelessness.
J
We,
it
was
to
end
veteran
homelessness
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
was
really
try
and
ensure
some
economic,
sufficient
self-sufficiency.
While
folks
were
in
shelter,
and
so
we
got
a
bunch
of
veterans
and
there's
another
photo
as
well.
We
got
a
bunch
of
veterans
from
so
we
could
show
the
second
photo.
J
That
would
be
great,
a
bunch
of
veterans
from
the
va
the
shelter
at
the
va
from
tenkirk
in
district
five
and
from
home
first
from
their
veterans
housing
that
we
were
able
to
get
veterans
into
the
trade
orientation
program
so
that
they
could
kind
of
shore
up
some
of
their
training.
J
I
don't
know
if
they
have
the
other
photo
do
staff
have
the
other
photo.
Oh,
thank
you
so
that
we
could
shore
up
some
training
and
education
so
that
they
could
then
go
straight
into
a
union
apprenticeship
program
and,
what's
really
cool,
is
that
many
of
the
veterans
I
I
is
this
is
the
photo
up.
I
mean
maybe.
K
J
We
can
just
use,
let's
just
use
the
photo
that
we
have,
but
it
won't
show
everyone,
but
the
reason
I
wanted
to
show
it
is
that
we
have
folks
in
that
photo
that,
after
after
that
training
they
went
to
to
directly
into
an
apprenticeship
program
and
those
are
for
the
veterans
that
were
in
the
top
program.
J
Additionally,
we
had
veterans
that
went
straight
into
an
apprenticeship,
a
union
apprenticeship
program,
and
I
was
going
to
point
out
photo's
not
out,
but
I
was
going
to
point
out
some
of
the
veterans
that
I
ran
into
a
year
later,
that
had
had
jobs
and
and
were
buying
like
their
first
cars
and
and
really
we're
enjoying
the
economic
benefits
of
having
high
quality
training
being
paid
to
learn.
While
you
trade
having
the
benefits.
Oh.
Thank
you.
J
Those
are
the
that
trends
that
went
through
the
program
and
I'd
like
to
say.
The
number
one
veteran
of
the
class
was
was
one
of
the
women
out
in
front
and
the
the
apprenticeship
they
can
play
such
an
integral
role
in
helping
folks
to
turn
their
lives
around,
as
well
as
providing
opportunities
from
folks.
You
know
with
some
challenges,
to
advance
in
a
career
that
supported
their
families,
another
one
of
the
veterans
that
I'm
seeing
he
had
been
homeless
for
10
years.
J
He
had
been
housed
through
the
va
and
then
and
then
was
able
to
support
his
new
wife
and
young
child
on
a
union
job
and-
and
I
bring
this
up
too,
because
I
asked
a
lot
of
questions
myself
during
the
road
map
exercise
as
we
build
back,
we've
talked
about
building
back
better
from
covid
from
this
pandemic,
for
the
safety
and
well-being
of
our
workers,
who
are
actually
literally
building
the
city's
foundation,
and
so
in
that
road
map
exercise.
J
We
we
had
this
conversation
about
about
supporting
the
city,
supporting
this
work
through
the
budget
process
and
then
city
manager.
Sykes
assured
me
that,
while
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
take
this
on
100
that
this
work
was
tied
into
economic
benefits,
addressing
wage
theft
was
tied
into
economic
recovery
that
this
was
something
that
we
could
do.
J
I
also
wanted
to
address
the
fact
that
staff
had
asked
for
one
of
the
items
in
our
memo
to
for
the
cleanup
language,
and
so
we
offered
that
so
staff
brought
up
that
need,
and
I
also
wanted
to
bring
up
the
elephant
in
the
room,
which
is
we've
seen
recent
examples
and
heard
reports
of
recent
city
projects
which
have
been
subject
to
wage
theft,
apprenticeship,
violations
and
production
delays,
and
one
of
the
benefits
of
plas
is
that
enforcement
improves
with
plas
makes
it
less
likely
to
have
violations
or
in
one
of
these
cases,
allowed
the
city
to
catch
it
earlier
and-
and
I
had
a
couple
of
questions
for
matt
so
matt
initially,
we
were
told
that
there
would
be
no
staffing
difference
between
bidding
with
or
without
plas.
J
Is
that
you
know?
Can
you
be
more
clear
because
we
were
told
no,
there
would
not
be
a
difference,
and
so
can
you
clarify
that?
Please.
P
Thank
you,
councilmember
esparza,
for
the
question.
I
I
I'm
trying
to
recall
the
exact
conversation.
I
think
I
know
what
you're
referencing
so
when
right
now,
we
do
have
a
template
form
that
it
well.
We
have
a.
We
have
an
agreement,
a
pla
and
we
have
a
system
in
our
procurement
process
that
if
a
project
has
a
pla,
we
simply
grab
that
there's
our
procurement
team.
Amazing
procurement
team
has
a
few
different,
temp,
many
different
templates,
and
so,
if
it's
a
federally
funded
project,
we
use
this
procurement
template.
P
J
P
Councilmember,
thank
you
for
the
question.
I
don't
have
a
forward-looking
estimate.
However.
Typically
we
we're
probably
next
year,
we'll
probably
pretty
pretty
similar
to
the
prior
12
months,
and
we
would
have
done
in
the
prior
12
months.
If
these
rules
had
been
in
a
place,
we
would
have
done
an
additional
26
pla
projects,
and
so
I
don't
know
if
it's
going
to
be
an
additional
26
over
the
next
12
months,
but
it'll
probably
be
in
that
general
vicinity.
There's
a
lot
of
street
maintenance
and
sewer
projects
that
had
previously
previously
been
exempted.
O
J
Thank
you
and
I
wanted
to
add
that,
amongst
jurisdictions
in
california,
with
plas,
our
current
threshold
at
three
million
dollars
is
very
high.
The
one
million
dollar
threshold
is
in
line
with
sacramento
san
leandro
alameda
county.
J
Wanted
to
make
a
change
on
the
cpi
adjustment
to
the
threshold
and,
and
I
one
of
the
things
that
we
had
had
was
creating
confusion
and
uncertainty
amongst
the
bidders
as
to
whether
a
given
project
is
or
isn't
covered
under
the
pla.
J
Could
you
matt
explain
how
how
that
would
make
things
clearer
or
not
clearer
for
bidders
if
we
allow
the
cpi
adjustment.
P
There
may
be
there's
likely
folks
a
different
opinion,
but
in
my
opinion,
when
we
sent
out
a
project
to
bid
all
the
bid,
documents
are
posted
online
and
it's
really
clear
if
it
has
a
pla
or
not
to
the
bidders,
and
so
there
may
be.
So
I
don't
I'm
not
sure
if
there
will
be.
I
can't
speak
to
you
know
the
specific
bidders.
What
they're
thinking
about
this,
but
our
documents
are
very
clear
that
we
post
online
on
the
city's
bid
system
and
if
it
has
a
pla,
it
has
a
pla.
P
J
Yes,
yes,
yes,
sorry
guys,
so
it
had
been
my
understanding
and
because
I
think
I
said
this.
It
rules
at
rules
committee
was
that
the
cpi
adjustment
to
the
threshold
caused
confusion
and
uncertainty
amongst
the
bidders
as
to
whether
a
given
project
is
covered
or
not,
and
matt
cano
just
said
that
they
can
make
it
clearer
in
the
bidding
system.
J
And
if
I
got
that
wrong
matt,
please
correct
me
and
that
he
can
make
that
clear
in
the
bid
system.
And
so
I
asked
if
you
would
be
okay
in
adding
that
to
the
data
points
that
would
come
back
in
a
year,
so
that
the
council
could
assess
whether
that
did.
You
know
whether
that
was
helpful
or
not.
J
Okay,
thank
you.
I
just
want
to
address
a
couple
other
things
one
is
so
there.
J
There
was
some
discussion
about
joint
apprenticeship
programs,
and
I
another
thing
that
I
wanted
to
share
about
my
experience
with
the
all
the
way
home
campaign
and
helping
veterans
go
through
the
trade
orientation
program
and
then
go
into
apprenticeships
was
in
talking
to
a
lot
of
the
veterans
that
applied
many
had
some
some
kind
of
experience
in
construction
and
which
was
awesome
because
they
had
you
know
they
have
skills
and
knowing
how
to
be
at
work
on
time
and
how
to
work
as
a
team
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
J
But
one
of
the
things
once
they
were
in
tops
was
realizing
how
they
didn't
have
really
maybe
the
up-to-date
training
or
had
some
unsafe
work
habits,
because
they
had
never
had
been
like
properly
trained.
J
One
of
the
things
I
learned
was
in
the
apprenticeship
program
like
everybody
starts
at
the
same
point
and
then
you
know
moves
up,
and
that
was
kind
of
interesting
to
me
about
safety,
about
training,
about
quality,
and
so
I'm
I'm
comfortable
with
our
memo,
and
I
also
wanted
to
point
out
that
I
do
think
that
we
should
resource
this
correctly.
J
Matt
cano
just
said
in
his
answers
to
some
of
the
good
questions.
My
colleagues
asked
was
that
his
division
is
is
already
understaffed
as
much
of
our
city
is
I'm
not
okay
with
wage
theft,
I'm
not
okay,
with
some
of
the
things
that
have
been
going
on
in
our
city
and
I
sure
don't
want
to
use
our
taxpayer
dollars
to
do
that,
and
so
to
me.
I
think
that
economic
recovery,
good
jobs
so
that
people
can
can
live
and
provide
for
their
families.
J
I
think
that's
worth
investing
in
and
I
I
do
agree
and
that
we
need
to
properly
resource
this
job
this
this
work
and
that's
it
for
me.
Thank
you.
H
There
were
some
languages
before
about
complex
processes,
and
this
is,
you
know,
requires
a
lot
of
extra
time
for
staff
and
we
had
a
conversation
at
rules
committee
when
this
came
forward,
where
we
talked
about
the
difference
between
enforcement
and
and
bidding
right,
and
whether
or
not
the
process
of
actually
bidding
becomes
more
complicated
or
or
or
not,
and
my
understanding
was
that
you
had
said
that
the
bidding
process
really
doesn't
change.
That
much
doesn't
require
more
staffing
to
handle
pla
or
not.
Can
you
first
start
we'll
clarify
that
that.
H
Okay,
so
we
already
know
that
our
city
doesn't
have
enough
staff
for
enforcement
of
labor
and
labor
rules,
whether
we're
on
whether
projects
are
under
pla
or
not,
and
I
I
do
agree
that
we
need
to
staff
that
better
to
enforce
better
it's.
No,
it's
not
clear
to
me
is
whether
we
say
because
we
can't
we
don't
have
enough
staff
for
enforcement.
We
shouldn't.
H
H
Is
it
true
that
that
on
project
labor
agreement
projects,
you
end
up
with
other
sets
of
eyes,
also
from
outside
city
staff
that
are
helping
with
enforcement.
P
The
that's
my
understanding
is
that
that
each
union
has
a
compliance
department
and
I
I
can't
speak
to
how
involved
or
not
involved
they
are.
But
I
understand
that
I've
heard
that
they
each
they
each
do
and
and
and
I
understand
they're
involved.
But
I
can't
speak
to
their
level
of.
H
So
I
just
so
thank
you
for
that.
I
think
that
it's
important-
this
is
an
important
consideration
for
me
in
in
this
expansion,
is
that
we
end
up
with,
I
believe,
less
likelihood
fewer
chances
of
abuse
by
having
more
projects
that
are
under
a
project
labor
agreement,
regardless
of
whether
we
have
the
internal
staffing
to
to
fully
do
the
oversight
that
we
would
like
to
do
in
an
ideal
situ
in
an
ideal
world.
So
so
thank
you
for
that
answer.
I
also
have
a
question
about
training.
H
You
know
it's.
I
know
that,
for
example,
that
some
of
the
trades
offer
you
know,
training
for
engineering
staff,
that's
like
a
day
a
day,
one
day
program
to
explain
about
project,
labor
agreements
and
and
what
they
mean
and
why
they
are
and
and
and
how
they
work
it
strikes
me.
This
is
a
training
that
can
be
done.
H
P
I
know
I
can
call
them,
and
I
know
I
can
get
a
training
with
them
and
we
will
definitely
take
advantage
of
that,
and
this
is
something
that
it's
a
whole
new
world
for
folks.
It's
it's
it's
a
type
of
thing.
If
you
go
to
a
training
on
this
and
you
don't
use
it,
you're
gonna
forget
about
it
and
and
so
regular
training
of
the
staff
is,
is
something
that
will
need
to
happen.
P
Staff
don't
need
to
be
trained
three
or
four
times
a
year,
but
staff
need
to
be
trained
heavily
a
few
times
at
the
beginning
and
then
at
least
an
annual
check-in.
I
think
a
lot
of
the
a
lot
of
the
training
need,
though,
is
gonna,
be
what
I
referenced
before,
which
is
gonna,
be
the
daily
phone
calls.
P
P
Yes,
on
recommendation
number
two
from
your
and
council
member
spars
memo
we
would,
we
would
prefer
to
read,
authorized
staff
to
negotiate
and
execute
additional
minor
changes.
That
way
we
wouldn't
have
to
come
back
to
council.
P
H
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you
for
the
clarification
just
one
last
thing.
I
wanted
to
clarify
the
amendment
that
we
talked
about
before.
As
far
as
the
exception
on
housing.
I
just
want
to
clarify
exactly
what
we're
we've
talked
for,
there's
been
so
much
going
on.
I
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
what
exemption
we
had
agreed
to
at
least
your
understanding
of
it.
P
Sure
and
I'll
address
it.
Then
please
ask
rachel
to
weigh
in
the
last
statement
I
heard
was
the
the
consideration
of
keeping
the
exemption,
as
is
in
the
pla
for
building
rehab,
and
I
don't
know
if
I
don't
know
that
if
there
was
consensus
on
there
or
not,
but
I
that's
that's
the
last.
I
heard
that
the
exemption
number
or
I'll
call
it
one.
The
exemption
for
building
rehab
as
currently
written
in
the
pla
was
going
to
be
considered
to
be
so.
P
H
Now
I
just
wanted
to
understand
what
was
on
the
table
for
the
motion,
because
I
thought
that
it
had
been
specifically
about
housing
projects
and
the
concern
that
housing
projects
would
be
affected
by
it.
So
I
I
accepted
emotion
with
the
understanding
or
the
amendment
the
understanding
it
was
affecting
the
housing,
but
not
all
rehab
projects.
P
J
D
All
right,
thank
you,
matt
just
to
want
to
clarify.
First
prevailing
wages
are
required
on
all
city
projects,
whether
it's
a
pla
or
there's
not
prevailing
wages,
are
required
right,
correct.
Okay,
I
want
to
make
sure
nobody
seems,
though,
from
some
discussion
somewhere,
believing
that
this
was
essential
to
getting
people
getting
workers
prevailing
wages
and
that's
not
the
case.
D
Correct,
okay,
and
there
are
many
good
union
programs
that
help
to
open
the
doors
for
pre-apprentices
and
apprentices
to
get
into
the
trades,
and
those
are
very
important,
but
there
are
also
non-union
programs
and
I'm
thinking,
for
example,
one
I
went
to
over
at
goodwill
just
a
few
months
ago
it
was
state
certified
federally
certified.
It
was
serving
primarily
through
a
re-entry
program.
Women
and
men
were
coming
out
of
custody
and
I
heard
a
very
moving
story
from
a
woman
who
about
her
battles
with
addiction.
D
F
D
Because
they
have
to
have
the
joint
union
agreement
is
that
is
that
right?
That
is
correct.
Okay,
union
contractor,
I
should
say
so.
I
I
have
a
concern
about
that.
I
want
to
just
be
very
clear
about
it
because
you
guys
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
in
this,
but
not
only
do
we
think
construction
trades
are
a
really
important
path
for
an
awful
lot
of
young
people
who
may
be
out
of
school
and
are
trying
to
find
a
path.
But
right
now
we
have
a
huge
construction.
D
P
On
the
skill,
the
skilled
items
on
our
recent
bids,
those
projects
requiring
skilled
labor
have
come
in
a
lot
higher,
so
my
take
on
it
is
my
conclusion
is
the
same,
but
I
haven't
heard
the
direct
comments,
but
the
skilled
labor
projects
have
been
coming
in
a
lot
higher
in
our
bids,
which
correlates
to
the
lack
of
people
that
can
do
that
work.
D
Right
and-
and
we
all
agree
that
wage
violations
are
important,
they
should
be.
We
should
be
strictly
enforcing
and
certainly
debarring
contractors
or
engaging
in
them
willfully,
but
we've
had
some
experience
with
wage
violations
even
on
projects
with
plas
in
recent
years.
Haven't
we.
P
We
do
have
a
notice
of
violation
out
on
on
to
the
pla
projects
that
has
is
still
under
review
and
has
not
been
yet
finalized.
P
Yeah
we're
these
are
both
open
investigations.
They
haven't
been
concluded
yet
so
I'll,
probably
okay,.
P
P
D
I
appreciate
you
know
the
council.
Remember
mayhem.
North
council,
member
cohen,
were
on
the
council
at
the
time,
but
we
did
engage
in
a
very
lengthy
process,
the
first
time
around
when
we
came
to
this
policy-
and
I
remember
it
very
well
because
I
remember
being
in
the
room
negotiating
alongside
dave
sykes
and
I
think
you
were
in
the
room
too
weren't
you
matt.
D
Some
of
the
details
is
that
right,
correct,
okay,
and
so
we
negotiate
in
good
faith
with,
and
I
think
also
the
building
trades
negotiated
in
good
faith
with
us
in
very
productive
conversations
and
in
those
conversations-
and
I
know
you
weren't
in
all
of
them-
you
said
you
came
in
part
of
the
way,
but
there
were
a
number
of
exemptions
that
were
created.
D
Those
are
articulated
in
the
addendum
see
to
to
things
like
street
maintenance,
sewer
maintenance,
mutable
water
airport
maintenance
on
call
building
maintenance.
Rehab.
Do
you
recall
why
it
was
important
for
say,
staff
that
there
were
exemptions.
P
I
this
exemption
list
was
created
and
provided
to
me
when
I
took
my
role
as
public
works
director,
so
I
wasn't
involved
in
the
creation
of
it.
I
was
definitely
involved
in
the
maintaining
maintaining
it
and
we
tweaked
it
a
little
bit
when
I,
when
I
started
negotiating
the
agreement
directly
with
the
building
trades
council,
I
think
part
of
it
was.
The
fear
was
the
city
we
didn't
know.
We
we
didn't
know
what
we
didn't
know
about
plas
and
and
the
city
wanted
to
step
into.
P
It
is
my
understanding
with
a
more
limited
number
of
projects,
and
so
that's
kind
of
the
best
of
my
recollection.
D
P
If
there
were
any
of
having
a
pla
on
a
project,
and-
and
there's
I
mean
if
you
just
go
on
google
and
google
pla
you're
going
to
find
articles
on
both
sides
of
that
and
staff
did
a
lot
of
research
in
2018
17
2018
to
try
and
get
council
a
good
answer
to
that,
and
really
at
the
end
of
the
day,
staff
was
not
able
to
provide
counsel
back
in
2018,
a
great
answer
that
and-
and
I
think
the
also-
although
we
have,
I
think,
12-
around
12
projects
currently
with
plas.
P
The
dollar
value
currently
of
the
poi
projects
is
pretty
massive,
and
so
I
think
council
also
at
the
time,
realized
that,
although
there
were
going
to
be
exceptions
from
a
dollar
standpoint,
especially
since
the
regional
wastewater
facility
has
some
massive
projects
which
moving
forward
most,
if
not
all,
are
going
to
be
plas
under
the
current
rules
right,
we
are
getting
a
lot
of
impact
on
the
workers,
even
with
the
exemptions.
That
was
my
understanding
at
the
time.
D
Yeah
and
and
we
we,
as
I
recall
my
conversations
with
dave-
and
I
assumed
you
had
these
conversations
too,
you
know
we
believed
the
pla's
were
appropriate
in
those
large
complex
projects,
because
you
needed
to
have
really
good
coordination,
with
unions.
Deeply
engaged
to
ensure
you
could
make
those
complex
projects
move
and
have
the
workers
ready
to
go
when
you
needed
to
make
those.
D
Okay,
so
I
want
to
at
least
enable
folks
who
maybe
came
into
that
conversation
I
mean
didn't,
have
the
benefit
of
that
conversation
at
least
be
aware
what
the
rationale
was.
Some
of
us
were
thinking
about
when
we
adopted
the
pla
requirement
with
a
fairly
modest
threshold.
I
think
of
three
million
dollars
to
capture
those
large
complex
projects.
D
Now
I
don't
know
if
you
were
in
these
negotiations
at
the
time
or
not,
but
I
know
in
the
negotiation
itself
in
the
document
that
I
brought
before
the
council,
we
had
an
exemption
for
affordable
housing
as
well
that
that
didn't
make
it
into
the
ordinance.
I
guess
we
learned
after
the
fact
months
later
you
recall
that
matt.
P
Yes,
I
I
think
at
the
time
my
as
I've
thought
that
back
on
that
a
few
times
and
in
the
past
year
year
and
a
half
public
works,
wasn't
really
in
the
affordable
housing
construction.
So.
D
P
Not
sure
that
we
envisioned
getting
into
the
affordable
housing
construction
and
then,
when
the
pandemic
hit,
we
definitely
got
knee
deep
in
it
and
we
really
the
city
started,
delivering
a
lot
more
projects
and
we'll
continue
to
do
that
in
the
future,
and
so
I
think
part
of
the
reason,
even
though
I
think
it
was
discussed
as
an
exemption.
The
reason
it
never
made
it
onto
the
formal
lists,
I'm
assuming
is
because
at
least
I
think
it
was
discussed
as
an
exemption.
D
It
did
make
it
on
the
list,
as
I
recall,
in
the
negotiation
that
we
had
before
it
was
brought
to
council
okay
yeah,
so
it
was
clearly
there
and
that
was
documents
in
public
documents.
So
I
think
it's
fairly
clear,
but
when
you
subsequently
negotiated
the
details,
it
wasn't
top
of
mind
for
you,
because
public
works
at
the
time
wasn't
in
the
affordable
housing.
D
There
was
an
agreement
that
was
signed.
It
was
brought
before
the
rules
committee,
it's
a
public
document,
so
anybody
can
check
the
record
and
include
an
affordable
housing
exemption
because
it
was
important
in
the
affordable
housing
community.
They
had
real
concerns.
The
builders
did
about
how
this
would
drive
up
costs
and
their
ability
to
get
labor,
and
particularly
those
developers
and
builders
who
were
doing
things
like
prefab
and
modular
to
try
to
grapple
with
those
costs.
D
They
thought
pla's
created
real
challenges
for
them
to
be
able
to
use,
be
able
to
get
labor
that
could
be
flexibly
deployed
with
new
skills
and
doing
different
processes
than
normal,
because
plas
were
pretty
rigid.
So
there
was
an
exemption
we
agreed
to
it,
it
never
made
it
into
the
ordinance.
I
understand
why,
because,
as
you
said,
it's
not
top
of
mind
to
public
works
because
you're
thinking
about
public
works
projects,
but
at
least
that's
what
was
presented
publicly
and
I
recall
signing
it
and
and
bringing
it
before
the
rules
committee.
D
D
There
hasn't
been
any
outreach
to
the
construction
industry,
so
nobody
really
knows
that
we're
having
this
discussion
to
my
knowledge,
I
just
had
very
very
brief
text
exchange
with
one
representative
and
that's
yet
because
I
don't
think
a
lot
of
folks
even
know
much
about
this,
we're
at
a
time
of
rapidly
rising
construction
costs
and
we're
seeing
that
in
our
bidding,
certainly
we're
seeing
significant
labor
shortage
and,
as
far
as
I
can
tell,
this
is
gonna
make
it
worse,
because
we
don't
have
the
ability
to
use
non-union
apprentices
that
is,
contractors
don't
who
are
subject
to
these
plas.
D
So
I
guess
you
know
my
comments
come
from
a
certain
history,
because
I
was
in
the
middle
of
these
negotiations
and
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
with
several
months
of
these
negotiations
and
then
brought
to
council.
Now
I
could
be
wrong.
D
That
would
be
typically
considered
when
we
want
to
change
a
policy
like
this
can't
be
considered,
because
this
is
rushed
and
we're
now
faced
with
this,
with
no
staff,
significant,
no
staff
analysis
and
no
outreach
in
the
community.
So
I'm
happy
to
keep
the
my
commitment
to
the
agreement
we
made
two
years
ago.
I'm
not
not
inclined
to
support
this
councilman
foley.
F
Thank
you.
I've
been
sitting
here
listening
to
the
conversation
and
the
debate
and
matt
your
comments
and
and
all
of
my
council
colleagues
comments
and
I'm
actually
very
concerned
that,
while
I
definitely
support
the
need
to
protect
our
workers,
rights
and
our
workers
pay
to
make
sure
they're
adequately
being
paid
and
compensated.
F
I
completely
support
that,
but
I
think
that,
given
the
questions
that
have
been
asked
and
the
the
nuances
of
this
proposal,
I'm
really
concerned
that
this
didn't
come
to
ced
before
we
are
having
this
discussion
here,
where
we
could
further
vet
the
issues.
I'm
concerned
that
there
is
a
lack
of
outreach
and
I'm
concerned
at
the
effect
on
affordable
housing
and
how
that
will
affect
the
cost
of
construction.
F
H
No,
that's
not
that's.
I
don't
won't
accept
that
as
friendly
amendment
we'll
take
a
vote
on
this
and
see
where
it
goes.
G
D
G
S
Yeah
I
I
was
going
the
same
direction.
I
I'd
like
to
make
a
substitute
motion
that
we
refer
this
item
to
ced,
so
we
can
get
proper
staff
analysis
as
per
the
yellow
light
that
staff
gave
us.
I
generally
pay
attention
to
those
things
and
that
we
have
time
to
do
outreach
to
the
many
stakeholders
who
have
no
idea
that
we're
having
this
conversation
have
not
been
able
to
weigh
in
and
offer
their
perspective,
and
that
we
also
have
at
least
as
part
of
that
staff
analysis.
S
Some
understanding
of
how
else
staff
resources
might
be
deployed
to
improve
enforcement,
for
example,
is
maybe
a
better
alternative
than
simply
restricting
non-union
contractors
in
good
standing
from
even
bidding
on
these
projects.
So
I
would
like
to
make
that
substitute
motion
now.
E
Yeah,
thank
you.
Well
I'll
have
to
shift
my
comments
slightly
based
on
the
new
motion.
I
won't
support
this.
This
motion
and
I
do
understand
that
this
current
council
was
not
the
full
council
that
was
there.
So
we
have
a
couple
new
members
that
weren't
privy
to
that
discussion
mayor.
I
I
think
you
you
may
be
recalling
the
conversations
you
were
having
with
the
negotiations,
because,
obviously
you
were
you
were
having
those,
but
the
conversation
on
the
dais
was
not
unanimous.
E
In
fact,
it
was
a
six
to
five
vote
and
I
know
that
I
was
I
was
on
the
five
side
of
it.
I
had
an
additional
memo
myself
and
a
different
perspective,
as
I
shared
here
in
the
beginning
that
I
felt,
and
we
had
quite
a
lengthy
argument.
As
you
know
in
regards
to,
I
think,
the
the
merits
and
the
concerns
of
plas
and
as
matt
has
stated,
you
can
actually
find
opposing
arguments
on
either
side
of
that.
E
But,
quite
frankly,
I
think
the
data
is
very
much
clear
in
regards
to
the
benefits
of
project
labor
agreements
and
and
in
this
case,
the
threshold
that
was
one
of
the
biggest
issues
for
me
because
of
the
number
of
the
projects
that
it
would
impact
and,
as
we've
heard
already,
that
the
the
variance
as
far
as
what
the
concern
on
the
arguments
were
a
couple
years
ago
when
we
passed
this
in
in
the
cost
potential
overages
has
not
come
to
fruition.
E
And
unfortunately,
the
number
of
projects
that
we've
been
able
to
capture
is
very
minimal,
and
that
was
was
my
main
concern.
I
think
that
I
personally
don't
have
an
interest
in
sort
of
rehashing
that
same
discussion
from
whatever
was
three
four
years
ago
in
regards
to
the
the
policy
debate
that
we
have
an
opportunity
to
decide
on
today,
and
and
so
with
that
I'll
leave
my
my
comments
at
that
for
now,
and
I
won't
be
able
to
support
this
substantive
motion
thanks.
Thank.
D
You
and
I'm
certainly
quite
willing
to
say
I
stand
corrected
if
I
misunderstood
misrecalled
the
vote
on
on
that
council.
As
I
say
it
was
a
while
ago.
So
if
there
was
a
six-five
vote,
I'm
gonna
assume
you're
right
on
that
council
member
perales,
because
frankly,
I've
been
on
the
council
too
long
and
all
the
votes
pretty
much
together
all
right
one
way
or
another
council
approved
it.
That's
all.
I
remember
all
right,
councilmember
arenas.
N
Thank
you,
I'm
also
listening
to
this
conversation.
It
does
remind
me
of
a
couple
years
back.
N
It
feels
more
than
than
two
years,
but
I
think
that's
just
a
pandemic
time,
and
so
I
recall
it
the
same
way
that
council
member
perales
just
laid
out
and
that
it
was
actually
something
that
we
were
or
it
was
pretty
controversial
in
terms
of
where
we
wanted
to
land
and
three
million
wasn't
where
I
was
supportive
around.
N
I
know
that
we
also
worked
on
having
having
a
master
agreement
to
hire
core
members.
I
believe
it
was
five
core
members
for
those
employers,
a
targeted
higher
agreement
in
the
term
being
five
years,
and
so
there
was
a
lot
of
work
that
was
already
done.
N
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
in
the
same
room
as
you
were
having
those
conversations
or
those
that
negotiation
mayor,
but
the
the
one
that
I
was
in
was
here
on
the
dais,
and
I
know
that
we
heard
from
a
lot
of
folks
who
came
into
the
chambers
and
talked
about
the
benefits
of
not
only
being
in
a
union
but
making
sure
that
that
they
have
an
ability
or
those
folks
who
who
are
employers
in
those
union.
N
Jobs
have
an
ability
of
contracting
with
the
city
of
san
jose,
as
we
are
probably
one
of
the
biggest
employers
in
the
same
way
that
the
county
is
one
of
the
biggest
employers
for
the
county
and
and
so
so
anyways
it
it
it.
It
really
created
some
lines
for
for
many
of
us.
I
think
there
was
people
who
didn't
talk
to
each
other
for
a
while.
N
After
this
I
know
I
was
very
upset
about
it
and
in
the
end,
I
all
all-
and
I
am
including
this
because
in
I
know
what
it
is
to
be
in
a
working
family-
and
I
know
how
important
it
is
to
have
union
jobs,
and
so
I'm
in
line
with
with
the
underlying
motion
on
the
floor.
But
I
did
have
a
couple
of
questions
because
I
was
concerned
about
what
you
had
said
mayor
about.
N
I
think
it
was
the
inability
of
of
maybe
some
of
the
apprentice,
the
union
apprentice
programs
being
able
to
rise
up
and
and
take
on
the
challenge
that
we're
we're
seeing
ahead
of
us,
and
so
I
wanted
to
see.
If
maybe
there
was
somebody,
obviously
I'm
not
in
the
chambers.
But
if
there's
anybody
in
the
chambers
or
on
the
line
that
could
answer
that
question,
I
think
the
maybe
the
most
appropriate
person
would
be
david,
beaney
or
gene
cohen.
G
Q
Yes,
just
to
clarify
it's
a
concern
about
the
ability
for
the
unionized
workforce
and
the
apprenticeships
to
provide
labor
is
that.
N
Hey
we
we're
what
you
know.
There
was
a
concern
because
I
I
know-
and
you
know
I
love
the
goodwill
agency
and
I
think
there
was
a
there-
was
a
a
concern
that
their
apprenticeship
program
wouldn't
qualify
for
their
for
this.
For
for
plas
right.
N
And
then
separate
from
that,
there
was
like
also
a
concern
that
there
wasn't
going
to
be
enough.
Maybe
apprentices
with
the
unions
to
to
fill
jobs
and
the
requirements
of
a
pla.
Q
Okay,
let
me
let
me
tackle
that
in
two
parts.
Thank
you
for
the
question
council
member.
So
the
goodwill
program
is
not
an
approved
apprenticeship
under
the
state
of
california.
It's
a
actually
a
pre-apprenticeship
program
which
can
certainly
feed
the
the
apprentice,
the
apprenticeable
trades
and
I
think,
most
most
often
it
is
able
to
feed
apprentices
into
the
the
laborers
local
270
program.
Q
So
we're
appreciative
of
that.
The
the
pla
won't
affect
that
one
way
or
another.
In
fact,
if
anything,
it
will
increase
the
ability
for
the
laborers
to
bring
in
new
apprentices,
not
not
only
from
the
goodwill
program
but
also
other
pre-apprenticeship
programs
and
that's
the
the
second
part
of
the
question.
N
Oh
so
these
are
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt
you.
So
these
are
pre-apprentice
apprenticeship
programs,
they're,
not
the
form
of
formal
apprenticeship
program.
Q
Q
Thank
you
so
part
of
the
calculation
that
all
of
the
apprenticeships,
all
the
joint
apprenticeships
make
is
a
calculation
on
on
how
many
apprentices
that
can
be
kept
working
through
the
through
to
graduation.
Q
More
apprentices
are
brought
into
those
trades
from
programs
like
goodwill
from
other
pre-apprenticeship
programs
or
from
direct
applicants,
so
by
including
more
pla
projects
from
the
city's
capital
improvement
program,
we'll
actually
increase
that
pipeline.
N
Yes,
yes,
oh
that's
that's
great
to
hear,
because
I
would
I
would
hate
to
think
that
that
the
the
great
work
that
goodwill
is
doing
would
would
be
lost.
So
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
I
I
think
those
are
the
my
questions
david.
Thank
you
for
jumping
on
yes,
and
so
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
there
is
a
clarification
for
that,
because
I
want
you
know.
N
I
want
to
make
sure
that
what
we're
doing
is
also
benefiting
benefiting
the
programs
that
are
supporting
our
community
currently,
and
so
it
sounds
like
it
would
it
it's
already
feeding
into
this
union
system
and
having
like
you've
just
heard
more
plas
will
increase
that
director
or
indirect
recruitment,
and
so
for
that,
for
that
I'm
I'm
really
grateful
to
have
the
clarity.
N
The
the
second
thing
that
I
was
wondering-
and
I
know
that
that
we
can't
talk
about
because
I
also
had
some
questions
about
the
allegations
of
wage
theft
from
the
contractor
involved
in
the
tiny
homes,
and
so
I
I
hope
that
soon
enough,
we
will
be
able
to
hear
what
is
the
process
that
it's
currently
going
through
before
I
move
on
from
that
from
that
subject,
I
just
wanted
to
learn
from
you
matt.
P
Sure,
thank
you
councilman
for
the
question,
and
so
and
the
the
process
is
an
initial
notice
of
violation
is
and
was
sent
out,
and
then
they,
then
whoever
we
send
the
notice
of
violation
out,
has
the
ability
to
respond
and
then
sometimes
that
response
is
kind
of
hey
we're
all
in
agreement
here.
Here's
the
resolution
and,
let's
close
this
out
really
quickly.
Sometimes
it's
not
that
straightforward
and
additional
information
is
provided
in
that
response,
which
changes
what
the
outcome
for
the
workers
could
be,
and
additionally
often
on
the
larger
issues.
P
Lawyers
from
both
sides
get
involved
as
well
and
so
to
which
is
the
case
here
and
so
to
answer
your
question.
P
We
are
in
the
process
of
awaiting
the
response
to
our
most
recent
notice
and
once
we
get
that
response,
which
should
be
shortly
we'll
be
able
to
better
understand
our
action
plan
for
moving
this
forward
to
resolution,
and
it
is
does
it
does
eat
it
me
that
there
are
workers
that
that
we
still
need
to
get
money
too,
and-
and
it
is
really
important
for
chris
and
I
to
bring
this
to
resolution
as
quick
as
we
can.
It
is
very
important
to
us.
P
I
don't
have
an
not
before
christmas
council
member,
but
but
I
don't
have
an
estimated
timeline
other
than
the
commitment
that
I
can
give
you
all
that
we're
going
to
work
really
hard
to
resolve
it
as
quickly
as
we
can.
N
Yeah,
without
you
know,
with
in
line
with
it,
with
protecting
and
keeping
people's
confident
confidentiality
and
and
their
names,
and
all
that
I
just
wonder
if
there's
any
way
that
what
we
could
do
is
in
the
same
way
that
we
enroll
families
to
a
christmas,
giving
program.
If
there's
something
similar,
that
we
can
do
for
these
families
that
we
that
we
know
are
not
having
a
portion
of
their
income
into
their
household,
and
so
it
is
for
me,
it's
important
to
figure
that
piece
out.
N
I'm
sorry
david
beanie,
your
mic
is
on.
N
Sure,
sorry,
I
I
didn't
want
that
background
noise
to
keep
interrupting
you.
Okay,.
P
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
council,
member
and
I'll
ask
nor
to
maybe
help
me
out.
If
I
don't
say
the
right
thing
here,
I
understand
where
you're
coming
from
my
professional
recommendation
is
that
we
we.
D
P
N
Sure
I
understand
it's
just
you
know
those
are
families
potentially
that
have
children
and
and
if,
if
we
didn't
have
a
couple
of
our
paychecks,
we
would
be
impacted,
certainly
so
I'll
and
I'll,
take
that
offline
and
wonder
if
there's
any
other
anybody
else
out
there.
That
could
help
these
families
that
wouldn't
compromise
our
our
our
role.
N
So
I'm
just
gonna
move
on
to
my
last
question
and
that
is,
I
was
interested
in
the
the
convo
that
that
talked
about
the
debarment,
and
I
was
wondering
what
when
was
the
last
time
that
we
de-barred
a
company
and
and
for
what.
P
G
N
So
I
know
that
this
is
one
of
the
ways
that
we
can
continue
to
support
and
and
prevent.
Maybe
some
wage
theft
is
the
certified
payroll.
Where
are
we
with
with
making
sure
that
we
have
what
we
need
like
that
database
in
order
to
help
us
out?
I
know
in
one
year
we're
going
to
come
back
and
we're
going
to
take
a
look
at
this,
but
council
member
cohen,
said
earlier.
N
You
know
we
we
have
if
we
recognize
where
we
are
short
in
terms
of
staffing,
that
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have
what
we
need
in
order
to
be
successful.
Otherwise,
we'll
come
back
in
a
year,
and
I
know
where
what
that
report
could
possibly
look
like
if
we
don't
have
all
the
tools
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
that
we
certify
some
of
that
payroll,
that
we
have
enough
staff
that
goes
out
there
and
does
those
you
know
on-site
visits,
sporadically
anyways.
N
Where
are
we
with
that?
With
the
with
the
database
map.
P
Thank
you
councilman
for
the
question
and
there's
there
was.
I
know
there
was
discussion
on
that
at
the
recent
budget
discussion
and
my
understanding,
I
was
looking
at
my
computer
to
find
out
the
exact
direction,
but
I'm
under
I
think
we
received
direction
to
come
back
at
mid-year
with
a
report
on
exactly
what
we
felt
that
would
cost
and
if
the
funding
was
available
or
not,
and
so
concurrent,
with
help.
P
N
N
Being
3
million
up
to
3
million
and
not
the
change
that
we're
asking
for
today,
there
still
isn't
advancement
in
some
of
the
tools
that
our
our
departments
need
to
get
the
job
done
and
to
be
able
to
say
we're
successful
in
doing
those
things
so
so
anyways.
I
I
I'm
going
to
support
the
underlying
motion
because
it
makes
sense
and
it
it
puts
people
to
work.
It
feeds
a
system
of
apprenticeship.
N
It
also
provides
a
some
additional
opportunities
for
smaller
agencies
that
could
take
on
a
lower
number
in
terms
of
of
a
project,
and
so
I
I
it's
it's
great
for
small
businesses,
it's
great
for
our
union
families
and,
I
think,
with
pla's.
It
also
will
allow
for
us
to
continue
to
work
on
those
internal
tools
to
help
monitor
the
certificate,
the
certified
payroll
and
the
other
tools
that
we
need
in
order
to
make
sure
that
folks
earn
that
prevailing
wage
that
we
sow.
N
You
know
so
that
we
tout
so
much
about
if
we
are
not
certifying
that.
There's
no
reason
for
us
to
be
proud
about
that
premium
wage.
If
we
can't
say
we
that
we're
confirming
that
on
the
ongoing
basis,
so
anyways
those
were
my
questions.
My
comments,
thank
you.
D
Thank
you,
I
think
tony
nicole
gehring
is
one
of
the
attendees
and
I
just
wanted
to
ask
her
to
if
she
could
clarify
between
the
apprenticeship
program
and
the
pre-apprenticeship
program.
I
understand
there
is
a
state
and
federally
approved
apprenticeship
program
that
folks
in
the
pre-apprenticeship
program
would
go
into
from
goodwill
and
the
problem
is
once
they
become
apprentices.
They
cannot
get
hired
if
this
provision
passes.
So
nicole,
are
you
on.
O
Yes,
I
am
thank
you
mayor
for
the
opportunity
we
have
a
partnership
with
goodwill
and
just
to
clarify
goodwill
is
not
the
the
approved
is
not
an
apprenticeship
program.
They
hi
they
partner
with
people
in
the
community
to
teach
the
apprenticeship
program,
so
they
have
hired
us
and
we
are
a
state
federally
approved
apprenticeship
program
providing
our
curriculum.
O
So,
for
example,
we
have
the
vietnam
veteran
that
we
just
taught
and
also
another
woman
who
just
passed
their
labor
intake
exams
who
will
be
going
into
our
apprenticeship
program,
which
is
a
state
federally
approved
program
which,
if
the
language
is
approved
today
in
item
d
of
the
request
that
will
exclude
our
programs
from
being
able
to
work
on
the
public
works
projects
in
the
city
of
san
jose,
because
we
are
not
a
joint
program,
we
are
a
unilateral
program
but
state
and
federally
approved.
Thank
you
mayor.
D
Thank
you,
nicole,
and
thanks
for
the
work
that
you're
doing
with
goodwill
partnership,
so
I
I
think,
look
we
understand.
No
policy
is
perfect,
never
can
be,
but
these
are
the
kinds
of
considerations
we'd
want
to
take
up
if
we
had
the
time,
obviously
reaching
out
to
our
community
allowing
staff
to
do
their
work.
That's
why
I'm
going
to
support
the
motion.
Customer
mayhem,
casper.
D
Okay,
all
right
council
member,
your
hand's
still
up
and
assume
it's
from
last
time.
R
F
S
G
S
G
D
D
Okay,
to
go
to
ced
and
counselor
responsibility.
D
B
Thank
you.
Actually,
I
I
was
going
to
have
a
request
along
those
same
lines
going
back
when
we
originally
had
that
that
discussion
with
with
labor
there
was
a
willingness
to
incorporate
that
in
the
pla
there
was
a
recognition
that
it's
a
good
thing
to
lift
all
boats,
whether
you
know
whatever
apprenticeship
program
that
someone
comes
through.
So
I
want
to
kind
of
try
to
just
throw
out
a
compromise,
and
that
is
to
leave
the
language
in
in
the
pla
like
it
is.
H
Yeah,
I
mean
that's
kind
of
what
I
said
with
my
amendment,
but
we
can
figure
out
when
the
timing,
as
I
said
by
the
fall
to
make
sure
that
there's
time
to
evaluate
the
effects.
But
if
you
want
to
have
it
be
discussed
sooner
than
the
fall
I
mean
I
can
leave
that
up
to
ced
about
when
it
should
be
discussed
at
ced.
B
H
B
Just
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
share
you
know.
Obviously
the
concerns
that
I
raised
and
the
concerns
that
my
colleagues
have
raised
in
terms
of
the
process.
B
I
I'm
actually
going
to
vote
to
accept
the
motion
on
the
floor
with
the
expectation
and
understanding
that
when
we
come
back
in
a
year
or
when
it
comes
back
to
ced
that
there's
a
an
effort
to
really
take
the
data
that
we're
getting
and
have
a
real,
thorough
evaluation
and
if
there's
other
changes
that
need
to
be
made,
if
we
need
to
just
make
adjustments
that
there's
a
good
faith
effort
to
do
that,
based
on
the
data
that
we
see.
E
Yeah,
I
actually
appreciate
that
perspective
and
I
think
you
know
that's
that's
similar
to
sort
of
what
happened
here.
There
was
a
lot
of,
I
think,
concerns
on
on
what
this
might
mean
and
none
of
those
concerns
really
came
to
fruition
and
and
so
expanding
it.
E
I
think,
to
where
there
was
a
divide
and
and
allowing
it
to
actually,
I
think,
be
more
beneficial
than
it
is
today
was
was
my
hope,
and
so
I'm
glad
we're
moving
forward
the
direction
as
is
and-
and
I
think
just
to
highlight-
I
know
that
this
has
been
appeared
to
be
maybe
a
bit
difficult
or
controversial,
but
when
we
debated
it
last
time
I
looked
back
and
it
was
several
hours
and
we
actually
had
a
motion
and
an
underlying
motion
and
both
of
those
failed
and
then
we
ultimately
had
a
subsequent
motion
that
passed
six
to
five.
E
It
was
extremely
controversial
I
think,
based
on
policy,
then
much
like
I
think
we're
hearing
today
and-
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
be
able
to
push
it
where
I
was
hoping
we
could
have
four
years
ago,
and
I'm
glad
that
we
have
the
motion
of
the
on
the
table
now
and
we'll
support
it.
Thanks.
D
What
I
was
referring
to
was
2019
when
we
implemented
this
policy,
and
so
I
think
it's
important
to
contrast
the
two.
I
don't
think
you're
saying
anything
different
than
me.
What
I
was
saying
was:
we
went
through
a
lengthy
negotiation
brought
to
the
council.
I
don't
require
recall
that
discussion
being
controversial
when
we
came
to
vote
on
this
pla
policy,
after
lengthy
negotiation,
outreach
and
public
discussion,
and
that's
when
you're
implementing
a
policy
like
this.
That
literally
precludes
some
people
from
being
able
to
make
a
living.
D
P
Matt.
Thank
you
one
point:
I'm
I
on
coming
back
to
ced
I'd
like
a
little
bit
of
flexibility.
Definitely
within
about
a
year.
However,
if
we
come
back
in
the
fall
by
the
time,
we
execute
this
agreement,
it
gets
signed
by
the
city
and
all
the
unions.
It's
going
to
still
take
a
while
to
get
this
agreement
signed
even
with
the
clear
direction
we
may
be
getting
if
we
get
the
clear
direction
today
and
by
the
fall
we're
not
going
to
have
many
months
of
data.
P
H
That's
right
with
with
we,
I
asked
for
a
report
to
ced
on
the
various
apprentice
programs
and
and.
R
D
Okay,
we'll
move
on
to
item.
Actually
you
know
what
we're
now
well
into
the
lunch.
Well
past
the
lunch
hour.
Let
me
just
check
in
with
my
colleagues.
I
know
there
were
sandwiches
back
there.
I
didn't
get
a
chance,
but
did
anybody
else
not
get
a
chance
to
eat?
We've
we've
already
eaten
okay,
all
right!
Well
I'll!
Just
sneak
back
there
during
during
a
little
point
here:
yeah
good
luck,
right.