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From YouTube: SEP 16, 2022 | City Council Special Mtg.: Providing San José Electric Service to New Developments
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City of San José, California
City Council Special Meeting: Benefits and Risks of Providing San José Electric Service to New Developments, September 16, 2022
Pre-meeting citizen input on Agenda via eComment at https://sanjose.granicusideas.com/meetings.
This public meeting will be held at San José City Hall and also accessible via Zoom Webinar. For information on public participation via Zoom, please refer to the linked meeting agenda below.
Agenda: https://sanjose.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=A&ID=983043&GUID=D207EB5A-EC5D-45E5-86D1-6D408AD92113
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You
will
also
hear
the
independent
analysis
and
findings
developed
by
Flynn
RCI.
Our
consultant
on
this
case
study,
represented
today
by
Doug
principal
at
Flynn,
RCI
and
I,
practiced
that,
even
but
before
I
get
into
the
details.
I
want
to
take
a
moment
to
frame
the
discussion
and
present
our
bottom
line.
Conclusion:
framing
the
provision
of
reliable,
resilient,
carbon-free
and
affordable
electrical
power
to
the
businesses
and
residents
of
San
Jose
is
critical
to
day-to-day
life
and
our
Collective
economic
and
environmental
future.
F
The
threats
to
the
reliability
of
the
Aging
grid
become
more
and
more
Apparent
from
increased
threats
of
wildfires.
To
our
recent
experiences
of
power
outages,
you
have
consistently
asked
us
to
look
at
ways
to
make
the
grid
more
resilient
and
reliable,
and,
as
part
of
this,
we
have.
You
have
asked
that
we
explore
the
option
to
provide
City
electrical
service
to
the
downtown
west
project.
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The
downtown
west
project
is
the
approximately
80
plus
acres
of
downtown
land
that
will
dramatically
expand
our
Urban
core,
with
Google
homes,
businesses
and
vibrant
public
spaces.
Bottom
line.
The
case
study
for
the
downtown
west
project
that
you
will
review
here
today
demonstrates
the
opportunity
for
the
city
to
partner
with
Developers,
to
achieve
the
shared
objectives
of
providing
reliable,
resilient,
carbon-free
power
to
customers
within
a
new
development
at
a
competitive
cost
compared
to
traditional
investor-owned
Utility
Services.
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While
there
are
scenarios
resulting
in
costs
that
could
exceed
The
Benchmark
service
cost,
these
scenarios
can
largely
be
foreseen
and
mitigated
the
city
and
the
developer
can
address
the
potential
negative
outcomes
together.
There
are
also
scenarios
that
would
provide
significantly
higher
savings
than
the
base
case,
which
would
translate
to
lower
rates
for
occupants
of
downtown
west
development.
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In
addition
to
the
potential
cost
savings,
the
city
would
have
the
ability
to
adopt
applicable
design
standards
and
rules
and
regulations
that
could
allow
for
a
more
advanced
microgrid
and
accommodates
more
on-site,
distributed
energy
resources
and
improves
electrical
reliability
and
resiliency.
This
would
significantly
contribute
to
improve
resiliency
within
the
new
developments,
increased
on-site
distribution,
energy
resources
and
facilitate
the
achievement
of
climate,
smart
San,
Jose
goals.
So
with
that
I'll
hand
it
over
to
the
team
of
experts
and
go
into
the
details
and
see
what
this
means
in
practice,
Lori.
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So,
in
response
to
that
this
memo
was
directed
and
then
in
August
of
2019.
We
did
hold
a
study
session,
so
we
discussed
options
to
improve
resilience,
reliability
and
the
efficiency
of
electric
service,
and
we
also
included
the
possibility
of
forming
a
city-owned
microgrid
to
serve
downtown
west.
As
one
of
the
options,
then,
in
October
the
rules
committee
approved
a
memo
from
the
mayor,
titled
Public,
Safety
power,
shutoffs,
making
San
Jose
grid
resilient.
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So
in
terms
of
previous
public
meetings,
you
may
recall
back
on
February
10
2020
Council
authorized
us
to
file
a
Wholesale
Transmission,
Service
interconnection
application,
and
this
allowed
us
to
begin
exploring
the
option
to
provide
City
electrical
service
to
downtown
west
and
then
on.
March
25th,
more
recently
of
2021
Council,
held
a
study
session
discussing
three
options
for
providing
a
district
system
approach
to
downtown
west.
So
the
first
one
included
PG
e
retail
service,
which
is
the
status
quo
today.
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The
second
one
was
City
provided
service
and
then
the
third
was
Google
or
developer
provided
service
and
then
on
May
25th
of
that
year.
As
part
of
a
supplemental
memorandum
to
the
development
agreement,
we
provided
information
on
the
initial
legal
Regulatory
and
economic
feasibility,
as
well
as
the
potential
benefits
and
risks
of
City
provided
Electric
Service
So.
Today
we're
going
to
expand
on
that
work,
as
you
can
see,
we've
been
at
this
for
a
couple
of
years
and
very
excited
today
to
present
a
case
study
for
providing
the
service
to
downtown
west.
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So
in
terms
of
grid
resiliency
see,
we
have
had
several
reliability
concerns
in
San
Jose.
One
of
the
types
of
outages
that
San
Jose
has
experienced
is
distribution
level
outages.
These
are
equipment,
outages
that
have
happened
here.
This
first
started
most
recently
back
in
August
of
2020.
We
had
a
large
heat
wave
in
San
Jose
and
throughout
the
state
and
the
Western
U.S,
and
during
that
time
we
had
573
separate
distribution,
outages
that
impacted
about
250
000
residents
across
San
Jose.
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Many
of
these
outages
lasted
24
to
72
hours,
so
they're,
very
long
in
duration,
and
to
put
that
in
perspective,
that's
about
a
quarter
of
the
city
that
was
impacted
in
that
event
and
then
on
August
18th.
We
had
a
substation
outage
near
downtown
that
impacted
about
10,
000
customers
and
then,
most
recently
last
week,
with
a
heat
wave
that
was
experienced
throughout
California
and
the
West
we
had
several
distribution
outages.
You
can
see.
The
map
here
on
a
riot
is
a
quick
snapshot
of
some
of
those
outages
that
occurred.
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We've
also
been
under
the
threat
of
rolling
blackouts
from
Generations
sort
of
shortages.
These
are
very
rare,
both
in
California
and
in
the
U.S,
but
they
occur
when
there's
not
enough
generation
on
the
grid
to
support
the
load.
So
California
has
only
had
these
two.
These
types
of
outages
twice
in
recent
history
once
was
in
the
early
2000s
and
then
more
recently
in
August
of
2020
California
experience
rolling
blackouts,
but
San
Jose
did
not
what
we
experienced
during
that
time
frame
was
distribution,
outages
and
then,
most
recently
we
were
under
threat
of
them.
G
Last
week,
due
to
the
heat
wave
that
it
impacted,
California
and
the
entire
U.S
grid,
they
were
ultimately
prevented
through
conservation
and
turning
on
additional
generation,
but
we
know
that
both
of
these
types
of
outages
are
an
increasing
concern
as
electrical
loads
rise.
You
know
really
related
to
these
heat
storms
that
are
becoming
both
more
frequent
and
more
severe
yeah.
G
G
They
can
also
have
an
inability
to
support
power
power
devices
that
support
medical
equipment.
It
leads
to
a
lack
of
refrigeration,
so
medicine
and
food
spoilage.
It
can
lead
to
a
number
of
traffic
safety
issues
and
it
can
also
lead
to
just
lost
productivity
and
high
greenhouse
gases.
As
many
backup
generators
are
turned
on
to
support
critical
facilities
foreign.
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G
So,
although
the
focus
today
is
on
providing
electric
service
to
new
developments,
we
know
that
this
is
not
the
solution
to
the
entire
city
and
there's
other
things.
We
also
need
to
work
on.
So
for
us
that
means
having
a
more
robust
distribution
grid
and
better
access
to
customers
for
their
own
generation,
which
often
means
solar
and
storage.
It
also
means
having
sufficient
transmission
capacity,
so
that
will
allow
for
growth
and
resources
to
come
into
San
Jose.
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G
So
before
we
get
into
the
case
study,
we
thought
we
would
provide
a
little
bit
of
background
about
public
utilities
where
they
exist
in
the
United,
States
and
California.
You
can
see
the
map
here,
they're
very
common
throughout
the
United
States
there's
over
2
000
U.S,
publicly
owned
utilities
they're
in
almost
every
state
and
one
in
seven
Americans
is
served
by
a
publicly
owned
utility.
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They
often
provide
higher
reliability
and
then
they
reinvest
their
revenues
back
into
communities
by
and
large,
offering
lower
rates.
They
also
offer
payment
in
lieu
of
taxes
to
the
local
government.
So
this
replaces
franchise
fees
and
the
utility
user
talks
that
they
would
otherwise
receive
from
the
investor-owned
utility.
They
also
provide
local
jobs.
They
support
local
programs.
G
So,
as
you
can
see
on
this
map,
some
of
the
largest
publicly
owned
Utilities
in
the
United
States,
two
of
them
are
actually
here
in
California,
Los,
Angeles,
water
and
power
and
SMUD,
which
serves
Sacramento
but
other
common
large
Utilities
in
Seattle
Seattle,
City,
Light,
Austin,
Energy
Nashville
has
served
by
a
publicly
owned
utility,
Orlando,
Long
Island
and
then
many
other
small
cities.
As
you
can
see
on
this
map,.
G
So
here
in
California,
we
have
46
publicly
owned
utilities,
which
you
can
see
on
the
map
here
they
serve
about
25
percent
of
Californians.
Is
it
and
as
I
mentioned,
the
two
largest
are
Los
Angeles
water
and
power:
that's
actually
the
largest
publicly
owned
utility
in
the
U.S
and
then
SMUD,
which
is
the
Sacramento
Municipal
Utility
District,
which
serves
the
Sacramento
region,
but
there's
also
many
small,
publicly
owned
utilities.
G
The
city
of
Healdsburg
operates
a
public
utility
Shasta
Lake,
the
city
of
Lompoc,
near
Santa,
Barbara
and
then
there's
many
many
medium-sized
public
utilities,
and
we
have
great
examples
of
that
in
our
backyard
here
with
Santa
Clara
and
Palo
Alto
San
Francisco
is
also
considered
a
medium-sized
public
utility
because
they
don't
surf
the
entire
city
with
their
public
utility.
They
serve
part
of
it
and
then
the
rest
of
it
with
our
CCA,
but
then
down
south
many
Public
Utilities
in
Southern
California
as
well,
some
notable
ones
Pasadena
and
Anaheim.
G
If
you
go
to
Disneyland,
that's
powered
by
Anaheim
Public,
Utilities
they're,
also
common
in
the
Central
Valley.
So
Roseville
operates
a
publicly
owned
utility
right
near
SMUD.
So,
as
you
can
see,
they're
they're,
common
and
and
throughout
the
entire
State
of
California,
and
so
with
that
I'm
going
to
pass
it
over
to
Marcos
Santiago
and
he's
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
these
publicly
owned
utilities.
H
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One
way
we
can
measure
that
is
by
looking
at
the
typical
duration
of
an
outage
for
customers
every
year,
the
national
average
for
customers.
They
typically
experience
about
two
and
a
half
hours
without
power
every
year,
when
we
focus
in
on
publicly
owned
utilities,
customers
that
comes
down
to
less
than
half
of
the
national
average
so
less
than
one
hour
without
power
per
year.
For
these
customers.
H
We've
also
said
that
Public,
Power
or
publicly
owned
utilities
can
have
lower
cost.
The
tables
here
show
how
how
significant
those
savings
can
be.
Our
neighbor,
the
City
of
Santa
Clara,
operates
a
utility
called
Silicon
Valley
Power
they're
able
to
offer
rates
for
their
residential
customers
that
are
48
percent
lower
than
PG
e
and
for
their
commercial
customers.
They're
up
to
38
percent
lower
than
PG
e
Sacramento
Municipal
Utility
District
achieves
similar
savings
to
Silicon
Valley
Power
for
both
their
residential
and
Commercial
customers.
H
Sorry,
can
we
go
back
to
that
slide?
Real,
quick,
sorry,
one
way
that
these
savings
are
achieved
or
a
couple
of
ways
is
that
revenues
for
publicly
owned
utilities
do
not
need
to
be
invested
in
to
share
increased
shareholder
returns
and
can
instead
be
reinvested
back
into
the
local
community
in
the
form
of
lower
rates
or
other
community
benefits.
They're
also
not
subject
to
federal
taxes
and
they're
able
to
leverage
their
government
status
to
secure
a
lower
cost
of
capital.
H
So,
as
we
mentioned,
Silicon
Valley
Power
serves
the
City
of
Santa
Clara.
They
provide
cleaner
energy
to
the
residents
and
businesses
than
the
competing
investor
and
utility
and
they've
actually
opted
to
provide
100
carbon
free
energy
for
all
of
the
residents
and
keep
in
mind.
This
is
at
rates
that
are
26
to
48
lower
than
their
competitors,
they're
governed
by
the
Santa
Clara
City
Council,
which
sets
rates
and
determines
the
general
direction
for
the
utility
and
they
also
own
several
distribution
assets
for
the
entire
city.
H
So
just
want
to
quickly
point
out
that
San
Jose
has
experience.
In
the
you
know:
electric
industry,
through
San
Jose,
clean
energy,
San,
Jose,
clean
energy,
is
the
electric
service
provider
for
all
of
San
Jose.
But
while
we
provide
generation
service
publicly
owned
utilities,
go
A
step
above
that
and
also
provide
distribution
service.
So,
amongst
other
things,
this
means
owning
and
maintaining
distribution
assets
and,
in
the
case
of
Silicon
Valley
Power
they
own
and
maintain
374
miles
of
underground
lines
and
186
miles
of
over
headlines.
H
Alameda
Municipal
Power
is
another
example
just
up
the
road
they're
governed
by
the
Alameda
Public
Utilities
Board,
which
is
again
the
local
government
entity
there
and
the
rates
are
31
to
49
lower
than
the
competing
investor
owned
utility
similar
to
Santa
Clara.
They
own
distribution
assets
for
the
entire
city
of
Alameda,
and
they
maintain
these
distribution
assets,
and
we
also
have
the
city
of
heelsburg,
which
is
an
example
of
a
much
smaller
utility.
H
I
I
This
is
my
first
time
before
Council,
but
I
really
appreciate
and
came
here
to
do
this
work
before
we
get
into
downtown
west
I
thought
it
would
be
useful
to
talk
about
a
couple
of
other
examples
from
around
the
world
where
Public
Utilities
make
a
difference
and
demonstrate
some
of
the
flexibility
that
it
maintains.
The
first
example
is
in
is
in
Hawaii,
where
historically,
the
Hawaiian
Islands
generated
almost
all
of
their
electricity
from
imported
oil
and
as
a
result,
their
rates
have
been
high.
I
Their
greenhouse
gas
emissions
have
been
high
and,
as
Renewables
became
more
of
a
viable
way
to
generate
electricity.
Hawaii
was
among
the
first
places
in
the
country
or
in
the
world
where
this
actually
became
part
of
the
the
routine
way
to
generate
electricity
in
the
beginning.
That's
relatively
easy.
You
just
go
out
there
and
you
do
it,
but,
as
you
begin
to
make
all
of
these
investments
in
in
different
ways
of
generating
electricity,
then
the
grid
itself
has
to
adapt
to
these
new
new
resources
and
in
Hawaii
there
were
two
governance
structures.
I
I
So
the
other
example
that
that
I'd,
like
to
talk
about
a
little
bit
is,
is
talking
about
providing
electric
service
to
a
specific
piece
of
the
city
and
that
the
the
example
there
we
have
is
the
city
of
Gonzales
down
near
Salinas.
If
you,
if
you
don't
know
where
that
is,
Gonzalez
had
a
or
has
a
development,
Economic,
Development
Zone
geared
towards
Agricultural
and
that
development
Zone
was
was
having
difficulties
with
both
the
cost
and
the
reliability
of
electric
service.
I
So
again,
the
the
thing
that
really
distinguishes
the
publicly
owned
city
electric
service
from
the
investor
around
utility
is
the
flexibility
and
the
ability
to
adapt
the
to
adapt
to
the
local
conditions
to
deal
with
the
local
issues.
To
ensure
Equity
amongst
all
of
the
all
the
participants
and
what
that
does
is
it
enables
again
more
clean
energy
help
us
achieve
our
climate,
smart,
San,
Jose
goals,
the
design,
flexibility,
the
operating
flexibility
that
we
have
means
that
grid
modernization
and
integration
of
smart
grid
Technologies.
I
We
enable
more
customer
participation
and
demand
response
and
load,
shaping
we're
more
Nimble
and
more
more
resilient
and,
as
I
say,
very
important
about
the
equity
and
and
the
fact
that
it
is
the
city
council
that
that
governs
the
rate
setting
process
and
so
forth,
as
opposed
to
a
commission
in
San
Francisco
and
it
potentially
reduces
cost.
Now
the
pathway
for
City
Electric
Service
is
that
the
city
has
the
statutory
Authority,
Under
state
law
and
the
city
Charter,
to
provide
Power
to
two
developments
in
San
Jose.
I
We
worked
with
Flynn
to
study
this
potential
and
we're
using
the
downtown
west
project
as
a
case
study
in
the
case
study
as
as
we'll
go
into,
did
conclude
that
San
Jose
can
own
and
operate
the
distribution
system
infrastructure
and,
as
Marcos
pointed
out
that
now,
through
the
CCA,
we
Supply
the
energy
but
the
distribution.
The
billing,
the
customer
service
and
all
of
that
comes
out
through
PG
e,
and
so
the
this
this
additional
service
through
the
city-owned
electric
utility
is,
is
what
we're
talking
about
today.
I
What
that
looks
like
is
on
the
next
slide.
This
is
the
energy
demands
and
the
load
forecast
for
the
for
the
development.
Those
are
years
on
the
bottom
of
the
slide,
so
that
the
load
is
is
currently
projected
to
start
up.
The
first
building
is
is
to
be
occupied
in
late
2027
and
then
the
load
grows
as
the
buildings
are
commissioned
at
roughly
10
percent
per
year
and
in
by
the
early
30s.
It
tends
to
level
off
and
then
pulls
out
to
to
full
load
in
the
early
2040s.
I
That
is
the
current
commissioning
schedule
for
for
Google,
along
with
that
40
megawatts
or
so
of
load
for
the
thing
on
site.
Currently,
there's
estimated
to
be
7.8
megawatts
of
solar
and
two
hours
of
battery
storage
per
hour
of
of
per
per
megawatt
of
of
solar,
and
then
there
is
also
significant
thermal
storage
available
through
the
central
utilities
plant
under
City
utility
service.
All
of
those
resources
would
be
shared
between
the
buildings
and
the
distribution
of
that
of
those
energy
sources.
Some
of
the
buildings
have
more
loads.
I
There
will
be
a
micro
grid
that
that
we
will
construct
on
that
site.
That
microgrid
is
not
yet
designed.
It
will
only
there.
There
is
only
enough
energy
in
the
Solar
on
the
site
to
support
a
relatively
small
fraction
of
the
load,
but
the
the
platform
that
we
create
for
the
microgrid
will
will
serve
that
part
of
the
of
the
downtown
very
well
in
the
event
of
an
outage,
to
illustrate
some
of
the
advantages
of
this
District
system
or
campus
type
service.
We
look
at
here,
and
this
is
what
happens
on
a
hot
summer
day.
I
The
rest
of
it
is
used
to
charge
the
batteries,
and
then
those
batteries
are
discharged
after
the
sun
goes
down,
and
what
happens
then,
is
that
that
load
levels
off
puts
less
Demand
on
the
grid,
puts
less
Demand
on
the
on
the
distribution
system
and
results
in
lower
cost
of
operation
by
by
using
again
these
resources
across
the
buildings
in
a
in
a
campus
mode
to
to
get
into
the
economics
of
all
of
that
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
our
consultant.
Flynn
resources,
Inc
and
Doug
box.
Again.
B
Thank
you,
Jim
mayor
council
members,
City
staff
and
members
of
the
public.
My
name
is
Doug
bochen
yone
I'm,
president
of
Flynn
resource
Consultants,
the
city
hired
our
firm
to
do
a
case
study
to
look
at
service
to
the
downtown
west
project
by
City,
owned
utility
and
compare
that
to
the
alternative
investor
owned
utility
service
and
our
our
economic
analysis
made
several
assumptions.
One
of
the
key
assumptions
was
that
the
developer
would
construct
the
infrastructure
and
turn
it
over
to
the
utility
for
the
city
to
own
and
operate
that's
consistent
with
the
standard
practice.
B
This
is
really
necessary
because
the
the
loads
are
relatively
low
early
on
and
the
there
are
some
fixed
costs
that
need
to
be
recovered
and
the
revenues
in
the
early
years
aren't
sufficient
to
support
that.
So
it's
essentially
necessitates
a
loan
that
would
be
repaid
if
and
when
the
revenues
were
sufficient
to
cover
the
going
forward
costs
and
also
cover
the
cost
of
the
the
startup
funding.
B
The
model
that
we
developed
compared
the
cost
to
serve
the
downtown
west
load
from
the
status
quo
service.
So
we
call
that
the
Benchmark
to
City
service,
the
the
key
issue
is
to
compare
the
the
cost
to
provide
distribution
service.
The
energy
costs
would
be
the
same,
whether
it's
City
utility
or
the
investor
on
utility
and
a
key
driver
of
The
Benchmark
distribution
costs
are
expected
to
be
some
significant
system.
B
B
So
when
we
did
our
analysis,
we
found
that
there
were
several
key
cost
drivers.
I've
mentioned
the
Benchmark
delivery
rates
as
being
particularly
important.
Those
in
addition
to
that
the
actual
load
levels
are
are
significant.
Cost
driver
as
the
load
level
increases
the
cost
per
kilowatt
hour
to
serve
the
loads
declines
pretty
rapidly
and
and
that
startup
period.
I
think
Jim
mentioned
it's
about
10
per
year
as
the
buildings
come
on.
B
B
This
development
would
enjoy
some
cost
savings
because
it
will
be
brand
new
equipment
installed
and
it
will
all
be
Underground,
so
that
will
help
to
allow
for
lower
Staffing
costs,
but
we
did
look
at
what
would
happen
if
the
Staffing
costs
were
significantly
higher
and
still
found
that
it
was
competitive
and
then
I've
included
in
this
chart.
The
departing
load
charges
otherwise
known
as
the
pcia
and
you're
all
familiar
with
that
with
the
CCA.
B
B
So,
let's
talk
about
our
analysis,
bindings
I
mean
the
bottom
line.
Is
the
the
rates
are
competitive?
It
was
mentioned
earlier
we're
over
the
life
of
the
project.
The
our
expectation
is,
they
would
be
15
to
25
percent
lower
than
the
benchmark
the
the
graph.
What
it's
showing
is
the
dark
red
line
is
The
Benchmark
cost
per
kilowatt
hour
to
provide
service
to
the
project.
Overall,
the
dark
blue
line
is
the
Baseline
cost
for
the
City
utility
service.
B
The
the
red
hash
lines
around
the
the
red
line
are
the
range
of
cost
for
some
of
the
more
severe
sensitivity
scenarios
that
we
ran
and
then
the
light
gray
or
light
blue
shading
around
the
the
dark
blue
line
is
the
range
of
cost
for
the
city
provided
service.
So
you
can
see
that
under
most
conditions,
the
city
service
is
expected
to
be
lower
than
the
Benchmark
service
and
even
under
very
extreme
sort
of
worst
case
scenarios.
B
We
assume
that
the
rates
would
be
comparable
to
the
The
Benchmark
rates
in
the
early
years
and
again,
this
is
based
on
some
of
the
startup
funding
and
once
that
funding
is
paid
off,
then
there's
a
lot
of
Headroom.
For
for
cost
savings
under
a
combination
of
un
unfavorable
sensitivities
that
result
in
unfavorable
scenarios,
we
we
did
see
cases
where
costs
could
be
five
to
ten
percent
above
the
Benchmark
rates,
but
there
were
also
many
favorable
scenarios
where
the
savings
would
be
30
to
50
percent
below
the
benchmark.
B
So
it
was
really
important,
based
on
some
of
the
experience
with
the
CCA
that
we
spent
a
lot
of
time.
Looking
at
you
know,
we
made
some
very
conservative
assumptions
to
start
with,
but
then
we
said
what
happens
if
things
go
against
us?
What
if
we
get
scenarios
where
the
outcome
is
less
favorable,
and
what
can
we
do
to
mitigate
those
risks
and
what
we
found
was
there
were
three
main
risks
that
the
level
of
the
load,
so
the
accuracy
of
the
load
forecast.
B
B
I
B
You
know
we
looked
at
a
50-year
time,
Horizon,
it's
very
difficult
to
predict
what
the
cost
of
the
IOU
service
is
going
to
be
over
the
next
50
years.
But
we
have
a
pretty
good
idea
in
the
early
years,
just
based
on
some
of
the
recent
rate
filings
that
go
out
for
the
next
three
years,
and
there
are
some
significant
rate
increases
coming
for
the
IOU
service,
primarily
driven
by
Wildfire
mitigation
costs
and
and
this
modernization
costs.
B
But
you
know
there
could
be
changes
in
how
some
of
those
costs
are
recovered,
particularly
the
Wildfire
related
costs
and
it's
possible
that
those
might
not
be
included
in
electric
rates
in
the
at
least.
Some
portion
might
not
be
included
and
potentially
could
be
shifted
to
other
parts
of
the
the
state
general
fund,
or
you
know,
via
taxes,
and
if,
if
that
were
to
happen,
then
that
Benchmark
cost
will
could
be
lower.
So
there
there
is
some
risk
there.
B
You
know
the
CCA
customers
came
on
very
very
rapidly
once
you
made
the
decision,
I
think
it
was
over
the
course
of
about
a
little
over
the
a
year
that
you
went
from
no
customers
to
essentially
almost
all
the
load
in
the
city,
and
in
this
case
it's
it's
going
to
be
spread
over
a
longer
period
of
time.
So
it's
going
to
be
really
important
to
align
the
decisions
on
Staffing
levels
with
the
the
best
information
you
have
at
the
time
as
about
when
the
the
buildings
will
be
built,
the
loads
will
be
come
online.
B
B
The
way
to
mitigate
the
risk
associated
with
higher
Staffing
costs
it.
A
key
issue
is
to
perform
an
operation,
a
maintenance
study,
as
the
system
is
designed
and
prior
to
it
being
constructed
so
that
you
can
align
the
Staffing
levels
with
the
actual
distribution
system
that
is
built
and,
as
I
mentioned,
it's
going
to
be
a
completely
underground
distribution
system
which
tends
to
have
a
lower
cost
to
serve
than
an
above
ground
system.
B
And
then
the
other
is
to
do
is
develop
the
Staffing
plan
closer
to
providing
the
actual
service
coordinating
very
very
closely
with
the
developer,
about
their
plans
for
completing
the
project
will
be
really
critical
here.
To
make
sure
you
get
that
alignment
and
I
mentioned
the
the
difference
in
the
startup
period
versus
the
CCA,
and
then
the
last
risk
I've
included
it
here,
not
because
it's
a
significant
risk,
because
we
found
that
the
departing
load
charges
weren't
particularly
critical
for
this
project.
B
But
given
the
experience
with
the
CCA
and
your
familiarity
with
it,
I
wanted
to
mention
it.
You
know
these
are
charges
that
are
assessed
to
the
customers,
not
to
the
utility,
but
you
know
you're
trying
to
provide
a
competitive
service
overall
to
the
customers.
Our
view
is
that
the
pcia
charges
should
not
apply.
G
G
It's
a
much
longer
time
Horizon
and
that's
primarily
because
it
follows
the
construction
build
out
and
so
in
some
ways
that
that
is
a
very
positive
thing,
because
it
allows
time
to
put
together
a
number
of
agreements
that
would
be
needed
to
provide
this
service.
So
just
as
a
reminder
of
where
we
are
today
we're
presenting
the
case
study
and
the
auction
will
be
to
accept
it.
G
If
we
proceed,
we
plan
to
bring
forward
Municipal
Code
revisions
to
form
the
municipal
utility
by
the
end
of
the
year.
This
is
important
to
the
developer
and
then
there's
going
to
be
a
number
of
steps
over
the
next
five
years
that
we
would
have
to
take,
and
this
isn't,
unlike
what
we
did
for
the
CCA.
As
you
recall,
Council
approved
title
26.
G
and
then
I
brought
forward
a
number
of
operating
agreements,
a
staffing
plan
authority
to
buy
Power
before
we
launched
that
service
about
a
year
later.
So
some
of
the
the
key
Milestones
that
we'd
have
to
complete
over
this
timeline
number
one
is
this
business
agreement
that
defines
the
funding
of
the
startup
costs.
We've
talked
a
lot
with
a
developer
about
this
and
have
agreement
and
concept,
but
very
important
to
put
pen
to
paper
and
get
that
business
agreement.
G
You
know
in
writing
and
then
approved
by
Council
following
that
really
important
to
create
design
standards
for
the
utility
as
Jim
and
Doug
mentioned.
This
is
standard
for
all
publicly
owned
utilities,
but
PG
E
uses
right
now
is
something
that
they
call
the
green
book
and
that's
what
developers
build
to
so
we
would
expect
our
design
standards
would
be
similar,
but
they
would
allow
for
that
flexibility
to
share
resources
across
the
building.
So
that's
something
that
would
need
to
be
completed.
G
Additionally,
utility
rules
and
regulations
would
need
to
be
completed,
so
this
defines
you
know
how
the
utility
operates
and
what
those
rules
are
really
important
to
do
that
and
then
finally,
we'd
have
to
approve
the
interconnection
agreement
to
the
transmission
system,
as
well
as
operating
agreements
with
the
California
ISO.
We
had
to
do
some
similar
things
like
this
to
form
the
CCA.
G
If
you
recall,
we
brought
forward
a
scheduling
agreement
where
we
schedule
our
power
into
the
kaiso
market
with
them,
and
then
finally,
you
know,
as
Doug
mentioned,
we
really
important
to
complete
an
operations
and
maintenance
plan
and
then
a
staffing
plan
we'll
need
to
work
with
HR
to
talk
about
classifications
likely
there
would
be
new
classifications
needed
again.
This
is
not
unlike
the
CCA,
where
I
brought
forward
a
staffing
plan.
We
created
some
new
power
resource
classifications,
so
important
to
do
that.
G
Planning
work
early
well
before
we
hire
those
classifications
so
that
we
have
a
good
plan
in
place
and
then,
finally,
you
know
you
see
this
yellow
highlight,
as
Doug
mentioned,
really
really
important
to
start
that
cost
of
service
study
closer
to
when
we
would
actually
begin
operations
and
confirm
what
the
rates
are.
So
at
that
point
we
really
want
to
check
what
the
regulations
are
with
the
rate
filings.
G
You
know
what
what
has
occurred,
where
are
those
Benchmark
rates
and
and
what
are
our
actual
costs,
given
our
operations
and
our
staffing
plan,
and
that
would
really
inform
whether
or
not
to
proceed
and
really
important
to
note
that
that
most
of
the
work
really
up
into
then
really
doesn't
obligate,
either
the
city
or
the
developer,
but
really
lays
the
groundwork
to
be
able
to
provide
this
service.
But
obviously,
once
we
start
hiring
staff
and
once
we
begin
operations.
G
You
know
we're
fully
in
that
business
and
we
really
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
set
up
to
be
able
to
do
that.
So
those
are
some
of
the
final
steps
and
then,
of
course,
approving
those
rates
and
those
tariffs,
which
would
be
an
ongoing
item
that
the
council
would
approve
similar.
What
to
what
you
do
for
the
CCA,
where
we
bring
forward
rate
recommendations
annually.
G
The
financial
risk
for
the
startup
remain
principally
with
a
developer.
City
Electric
Service
to
other
new
developments,
may
present
similar
benefits
and
opportunities,
but
just
really
important
to
confirm
the
technical
feasibility
for
new
locations.
One
of
the
things
that
will
be
important
to
confirm
is
the
location
to
a
transmission
line.
Downtown
west
is
well
suited
because
there
is
a
transmission
line
near
there.
G
There
are
transmission
lines
in
other
parts
of
the
city,
but
that
would
be
important
to
confirm
and
then
some
important
findings,
as
I
said
before,
proceeding
with
these
investigation
and
initial
startup
steps
does
not
commit
the
city
or
the
developer,
you
know
remind
you
in
the
development
agreement.
The
developer
does
have
three
options.
You
know
right
now.
They
are
funding
this
work
and
you
know
we're
proceeding
but
really
important
to
continue
to
check
in
in
that
business
agreement
to
make
sure
we're
still
aligned
and
then.
C
A
A
Lori
Mitchell,
who
I
like
very
much,
has
spoken
often
in
the
past
of
how
2023
would
kind
of
be
a
breakthrough
year
for
Community
energy
make
or
break
choose
your
terms.
2023
has
always
been
considered
an
important
year
in
community
energy
in
the
Bay
Area
I'm
interested
to
know
why
you
know
the
kind
of
theories
I
came
up
with
in
the
past
that
I've
been
worried
about
about
natural
disaster
preparedness.
A
The
study
session
is
offering,
but
it's
good
to
hear
you
know
I
I,
I,
I,
hope
the
city
of
San
Jose
really
considers
the
future
of
nuclear
and
doesn't
go
all
out
gung-ho
on
the
future
of
nuclear
and
really
tries
to
consider
options.
I've
tried
to
offer
the
options
of
Northwest
water
power
Hydro
as
a
way
to
address
issues.
I
know
you
guys
have
a
moral
stand
against
that,
but
I
I
think
a
moral
stand
against
hydropower
from
say,
Central
America
this
time,
maybe
even
a
stronger
course.
A
J
Yeah,
thank
you
and
we're
all
big
fans
of
Lori
and
your
department.
So
thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
the
and
all
this
information
I
have
a
number
of
questions,
because
it's
it's
pretty
overwhelming
to
understand
how
you
get
from
where
we
are
today
to
something
like
this
or
what
it
is
that
we're
even
talking
about
for
sure.
J
J
G
G
You
know
in
the
early
part
of
the
19th
century,
and
you
know,
as
things
evolved,
some
cities
kept
that
service
over
time
and
then
connected
residents
and
and
businesses
to
their
electrical
system
and
then
in
other
areas
there
were
private
companies
that
offered
that
service
and,
as
you
might
imagine,
along
the
way,
a
lot
of
mergers.
Acquisitions-
and
you
know
that's
how
PG
e
is.
G
You
know,
offers
that
service
today,
and
you
know
they
ended
up,
acquiring
a
lot
of
private
entities
that
provided
that
service,
and
you
know
the
1930s
and
40s
and
along
the
way,
some
cities
just
continue
to
keep
the
service.
So
most
of
the
Municipal
Utilities
that
are
in
operation
today
are
have
actually
been
in
it
for
about
a
hundred
years
and
have
been
providing
that
service
since
the
early
days
of
electrification.
There
are
some
examples
of
Municipal
Utilities
that
formed
after
that.
G
So
Sanford
or
Sacramento
or
SMUD,
the
Sacramento
Municipal
utility
district
is
an
example.
They
actually
started
their
effort.
They
were
originally
served
by
PG
e.
They
were
not
happy
with
the
reliability
of
their
service
in
the
1930s
and
40s,
mostly
because
they
felt
like
PG
e,
prioritized
San
Francisco
over
them,
and
so
they
went
through
a
multi-year
effort.
Humania
supplies
that
area
and
provide
that
service.
So
there
are
examples
there,
both
in
California
and
across
the
country
of
some
examples
where
cities
have
gotten
into
this
business.
G
Yeah,
so
those
were
some
of
the
ones
that
Jim
pointed
out,
so
the
city
of
Gonzales
is
you
know
to
do
the
microgrid
actually
San
Francisco
right
now
is
going
through
a
process
to
municiple
is
their
City
before
that
they
started
just
expanding
their
Municipal
utility
to
serve
new
development.
So
Candlestick,
you
know
down
the
Waterfront
there
as
a
lot
of
that
new
development
went
in
the
city
asked
those
developers
to
to
turn
that
over
to
the
Municipal
Utilities.
So
there
are
some
examples.
J
G
That's
that
is
correct,
I,
think
the
question
is
the
scale
of
that
microgrid
and
how
much
they
can
do
under
current
cpuc
rules.
You
know
power
cannot
cross
the
right-of-way
right.
They're
not
allowed
to
do
that.
So
the
scale
of
the
microgrid
that
they
can
install
would
be
much
smaller
if
they
took
PG
e
service
and.
J
F
Would
mean
like
streets,
or
so
they
can't
cross
over
public
streets
with
with
the
electrical
service
with
the
existing
PG
e
pieces.
So
they'd
have
to
Isle
in
particular
blocks
of
the
development,
but
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
the
whole
development
in
total
and
get
the
advantages
of
the
distributed.
Energy
and
the
overall
microgrid.
J
J
The
graph
on
page
24
has
a
picture
of
solar
of
the
production
of
energy,
is
projected
for
downtown
west
over
time.
Is
that
right
and
it
had
sort
of
an
element
that
was
solar,
where
I
assume
that
that
little
slice,
that
was
solar
meant
on-site,
local
solar,
not
necessarily
overall
solar
power
that
they'd
be
procuring
or
using?
Is
that
right.
G
J
J
I
I
There
is
a
significant
ability
to
store
with
the
thermal
storage,
with
the
with
this
District
system,
in
this
in
the
central
heating
and
cooling
that
that
you
have
a
lot
of
that
energy
that
you
can
preach,
not
only
pre-cool
the
buildings,
but
you
can
store
it
in
the
system
itself
and
that
acts
as
it
is
additional
resources
that
can
work
you
through
I
think
so,
but
but
really
today,
the
only
practical
technology
is
solar
in
the
future.
You,
you
know
the
you
could
consider.
I
The
decision
has
been
made
to
include
no
co-generation,
no
fossil,
there
is
not
going
to
be.
There
is
no
gas
lines
in
the
development
period,
so
there
is
no
fossil
on
site,
except
for
the
Emergency
backup
generators
which
are
required
by
code
for
things
like
emergency
lighting
elevators.
That
sort
of
thing
that's
the
only
fossil
that's
on
site,
okay,.
J
G
Really
locally,
it's
revisions
to
our
own
municipal
code
to
form
the
utility
and
start
serving
it.
So
you
know
we
did
a
lot
in
collaboration
with
the
city
attorney's
office,
a
lot
of
research
on
that
that
feasibility,
but
that
that
ultimately,
is
the
step.
Now
there
are,
you
know,
as
you
might
expect,
there
are
regulations
that
the
city
has
to
comply
with
both
federal
and
state,
but
in
terms
of
foreign
forming
it,
it
is
under
local
control.
J
In
order
to
deliver
this
energy,
it
you
know
comes
from
if
we,
for
example,
I
assume
we'd
be
providing
it
through
San
Jose,
clean
energy
and
we'd
be
coming
on
through
a
through
a
backbone.
That's
not
necessarily
in
our
control.
Obviously,
it's
a
backbone
that
still
is
controlled
by
kaiso,
and
we
have
to
be
able
to
tie
directly
into
a
kaiso
line.
Then,
in
order
to
have
this
work.
G
You
don't
have
to,
but
it
definitely
makes
it
more
cost
effective
to
connect
at
the
transmission
level
service.
If
we
connected
at
distribution
level
service,
then
the
development
would
have
to
pay
distribution
level
charges
to
PG
e,
and
so
it's
just
much
more
economical
to
connect
at
the
transmission
system.
G
In
terms
of
your
first
question,
yes,
we
would
still
have
to
contract
for
Generation,
just
like
we
do
for
San
Jose,
clean
energy.
You
know,
as
you
know,
those
electrons
just
flow
where
they
flow,
but
very
important
that
we
have
enough
Supply
to
supply
the
load
there,
which
is
the
same
as
you
know,
for
the
CCA
today
and.
J
B
B
J
G
J
We've
talked
about
this
potentially
being
expandable
so
that,
if
there's
a
new
development,
let's
say
in
North,
San,
Jose
or
in
downtown-
and
we
want
our
Municipal
utility
to
provide
energy
there.
We'd
have
to
have
either
a
second
substation
or
there
have
to
be
excess
capacity
at
the
one
that
is
built
on
downtown
west.
G
It
depends
on
where
that
location
is.
If
it
was
in
close
proximity,
it
may
be
able
to
be
served
from
there
if
it
was
further
away.
We'd
have
to
check
the
location
to
the
transmission
system
and
see
what
infrastructure
is
required,
and
you
know
you,
you
have
to
step
down
the
voltage
just
maybe
to
put
this
in
plain
language,
transmission
systems
or
high
voltage.
They
go
across
the
state.
Think
of
them
like
a
freeway,
a
highway,
the
distribution
system
you
can
think
of
as
like
the
road
to
your
house
right.
J
Locally
but
I'm
talking
about
it
with
this,
because
my
next
question
series
of
questions
would
be
about
the
expandability
of
this
we're
doing
this.
It's
not
necessarily
well,
it
might
be
just
for
the
benefit
of
downtown
west,
but
there
might
be
a
benefit
in
considering
what
our
long-term
goals
are
for
delivery
at
other
new
developments
and
whether
we
have
we're
building
an
infrastructure
that
can
support
that.
G
J
But
we
okay,
I,
guess
we're
too
early
in
this
to
really
get
into
these
detailed
questions.
Maybe
but
I
mean
I'm
just
thinking
that
we'd
want
to
be
considering
some
of
this
as
we
proceed
now,
because
it's
one
thing
to
say
in
the
future,
we
might
look
into
it,
but
if
we
haven't
prepared
for
it,
it'll
be
less
likely
than
if
we
prepare
for
it
during
this
development.
Now
of
the
process,
okay
and
then
just
the
last
question
before
I
and
for
now
you
know
we're
still
at
the
mercy.
J
I
mean
this
idea
that
there's
fewer
outages,
we're
still
at
the
mercy
of
the
backbone,
which
presumably
you
know
is,
is
a
fairly
more-
is
more
reliable
in
our
area
than
the
distribution
system.
So
I
understand
that
we
would
have
fewer
outages,
but
we
still
have
the
potential
that
the
backbone
itself
is
can
be
impacted
or
rolling
blackouts.
Etc
would
still
be
an
issue
because
we
still
would
be
receiving
our
power
off
that
backbone
or
because
we're
microgrid,
I
guess
a
lot
of
the
energy
on
site
could
still
be.
G
Yeah
you're
you're
absolutely
correct
there
so
number
one
it's
a
little
bit
more
reliable
and
that
there
is
some
on-site
generation
and
so
that's
helpful,
but
you're
right.
A
lot
of
the
power
would
be
delivered
from
the
transmission
system
if
there
was
a
transmission
outage,
which
is
pretty
uncommon,
but
it
can
happen
typically.
When
that
happens,
it's
up
in
the
rural
areas.
You
know
and
there's
a
fire
burning
or
something
like
that
where
it
would
be
de-energized
in
an
urban
area.
G
You
know
very
unlikely
that
a
transmission
system
would
go
down
and
then
important
to
note,
there's
multiple
transmission
lines
that
serve
San
Jose
and
that
is
designed
to
meet
Federal
standards
for
reliability.
So
if
one
line
goes
down,
there's
other
transmission
lines
that
serve
San
Jose
and
can
accommodate
that
and
that's
common
across
all
Urban
centers.
So
but
you're
right,
you
know
if
multiple
transmission
lines
went
down.
J
G
K
K
One
was
PG
e
retail,
Community
micro,
good
enablement
program
service
and
then
the
other
option
was
City
provided
service,
which
I
think
it
seems
like
what
we're
mostly
discussing
here
and
then
three
was
Private.
Google
provided
service,
and
so
can
you
remind
me
was
that
a
decision
for
the
city
to
make
us
to
how
we
wanted
to
proceed
or
those
were
the
three
possibilities
and
if
those
were
the
three
possibilities,
I'm
curious.
G
Yeah
I'll
I'll
answer
briefly
and
then
maybe
ask
Nancy
to
come
down,
but
I
think
I
can
get
this
one.
So
Google's
still
considering
all
the
options,
and
so
you
know,
PG
e
is
a
default,
so
certainly
they're,
working
with
PG
e,
especially
in
the
event
that
the
city
decided
not
to
provide
not
to
form
a
City
utility
to
provide
the
service.
They
need
an
option.
G
K
And
so
since,
since
the
only
two
options
seem
to
be
based
on
your
answer
is
PG
e
community
microgrid
and
MLM
program
service,
and
then
the
city
service,
the
other
one.
They
can't
necessarily
do
right
now.
How
does
that
conversation
that
they're
having
the
PG
E
Impact
the
way
we
move
forward?
If
at
all,.
G
So,
as
I
said,
the
really
nice
thing
is,
you
know,
there's
a
number
of
startup
actions
we
can
take,
and
you
know
ultimately,
if
in
a
couple
of
years
they
think
it's
better
to
take
PG
e
service.
You
know
there's
no
harm
they're
funding
all
of
this
work,
so
we
could,
you
know,
amend
the
municode
to
be
able
to
provide
that
service.
We
could
do
some
design
standards
and
rules
and
regs,
and
you
know
if
at
some
point
they
said
to
us
through
the
funding
agreement,
no
I
want
to
take
it
from
PG
e.
G
You
know
how
that
works
today.
Is
they
fund
all
of
our
costs
and
as
long
as
they're,
you
know
we're
covered
there
in
terms
of
all
of
the
startup
work,
they
can
decide
to
take
service
from
PG
e,
and
our
recommendation
obviously
would
be
not
to
provide
service,
because
we
don't
have
startup
funding
there
to
do
that,
because
there
is
significant
risk
that
you
know
if
the
city
was
to
go
out
and
raise
capital
for
that
startup
funding
and
then
that
load
didn't
show
up.
G
You
know
we
would
be
at
risk
for
that,
so
it
wouldn't
be
something
I'd
recommend,
but
there
would
still
be
benefits
to
the
city.
You
know,
as
we've
talked
about,
there's
possibilities
for
new
developments,
so
some
of
that
work
would
be
applicable
to
another
new
developer
if
they
wanted
to
come
along
and
explore
this
option
with
us,
so
I
would
say:
there's
still
positive
benefits
in
proceeding,
even
though
we
don't
know
exactly
where
this
all
will
end
up
over
the
next
five
years.
Okay,.
K
Do
we
as
a
city
want
to
go
down
this
road
and
I'm,
having
trouble
understanding
and
separating
out
sort
of
the
decision
points
and
where
whether
your
interpretation
of
the
direction
we've
given
is
clearly,
the
city
wants
to
go
start
our
own
new
utility
company
or
not,
or
or
or
is
it
the
other
sense
I'm
getting
is
that
we
want
to
set
ourselves
up
to
the
possibility,
assuming
we
choose
to
in
the
future,
to
to
to
to
the
mayor's
memo
on
this?
You
know
to
create
some
regs
and
such
I.
G
Yeah,
so
so,
as
I
started,
you
know,
we've
had
a
lot
of
direction
from
the
council
to
explore
options
for
resiliency,
and
so
we've
we've
done
a
lot
of
the
work
on
that,
and
you
know
our
staff
recommendation
is
that
you
know
this
to
do
this
study
we've
concluded.
We
do
think
it's
possible
it's
viable
and
could
provide
a
lot
of
benefits,
both
cost
and
reliability
benefits.
So
our
recommendation
is
to
go
ahead
and
proceed
with
these
startup
actions.
G
You
know
our
expectation
of
where
the
council
will
weigh
in
the
next.
You
know
obviously
accepting
the
report
today,
your
vote.
There
is
important
to
us
to
understand
where
the
council
is
on
this,
and
then
you
know
when
we
bring
forward
these
Municipal
Code
revisions,
and
you
know,
obviously
the
council-
that's
a
key
decision.
You
know:
do
you
want
to
be
in
this
business,
not
unlike
the
action
that
the
council
took
to
form
San
Jose,
clean
energy
right
with
title
26?
G
Of
course
that
was
before
I
was
here,
but
that
was
a
milestone
moment
to
be
in
the
city.
It
didn't
automatically
put
you
in
that
business
quite
yet,
because
there
was
a
lot
of
operating
agreements
that
still
needed
to
come,
but
that
happened
very
quickly
because
it
was
just
a
different
line
of
business.
You
know
this
one
is
really
tied
to
the
construction
out
there,
so
we
do
need
to
check
along
the
way
that
it's
it's
viable.
K
K
F
If
I
could
I
I
think
this
is
this,
is
this
is
an
interesting
space
to
think
about
so
the
way
that
I
was
thinking
about
it,
as
a
team
has
educated
me
into
this,
is
we've
got
a
couple
of
decision
points
and
the
reason
that
we
made
this
a
special
meeting
rather
than
a
study
sessions.
We
didn't
intentionally
want
you
to
give
us
a
signal
that
you
want
us
to
move
forward
to
the
next
step.
F
We
don't
believe
that
that
next
step
commits
us
to
this
line
of
work,
but
it
does
say
we
would
like
you
to
begin
to
do
the
work
necessary
to
bring
back
the
recommendations
to
become
a
Power
provider
and
in
in
essence,
that
question
of
do
we
do
it
for
the
city
or
do
we
do
it,
for
this
development
are
tied
up
in
this
single
development.
So
if
you
were
to
approve
it
for
this,
the
answer
would
be
yes
on
both
questions,
but
you
would
not
have
made
the
determination.
F
Do
we
ever
scale
beyond
that,
because
it's
it
the
the
entity
that
we
would
set
up
the
project
that
we
would
do
would
be
for
this.
80
acres
very
significant
amount
of
land.
We
think
that's
self-sufficient
self-sustainable.
If
that's
the
only
thing
we
ever
do,
we
think
that's
a
good
business
deal.
We
do
think,
there's
opportunities
down
in
the
future
to
evaluate
expanding
that,
but
we
would
come
back
to
you
just
as
we're
coming
back
today
and
make
those
questions
and
considerations
in
only
with
Council
direction.
F
To
expand
so,
in
my
mind
today
is
to
say,
keep
exploring
it
when
we
come
back
with
the
municode.
That's
saying
we're
serious
about
creating
our
powers
and
capabilities
of
doing
this
and
we'll
come
back
with
the
agreements
with
the
partner
to
move
down
to
provide
it
for
your
approval
that
we
want
to
go
down
this
road
together
and
the
moment
you
do
that
you're
also
inclu
improving
the
larger
idea
that,
yes,
we
are
a
power
provider
for
the
city,
but
not
any
more
Beyond
than
beyond
the
boundaries
of
those
80
acres.
F
K
No
that
actually
helps
sort
of,
in
my
mind,
disaggregate
sort
of
what
we're
doing
and
that
helps
me
gain
a
better
of
understanding
Lori.
When
do
we
expect
to
come,
or
anyone
expect
to
come
back
with
those
regs
is
I.
Think
at
the
mayor's
memo
he's
asking
to
come
back
before
the
end
of
the
year,
and
so.
G
Yeah,
that's
our
expectation,
we've
been
working
on
it
and
you
know
that's
very
important
to
the
developer.
As
you
know,
they
have
options,
but
you
know
they
need
to
build
things
and
they
need
to
know.
You
know
what
options
are
really
real,
and
so
you
know
we.
We
do
I,
think
that
that's
a
realistic
time
frame
and
could
come
back
to
at
that
time.
How.
K
Do
you
envision?
What
is
the
go
no
go
moment
if
you
will
for
the
development
right,
because
I
I
thought
I
think
just
based
on
something
you
said
earlier
that,
irrespective
of
whether
they
turn
turn
that
over
to
the
city
or
to
PG
e
they're,
going
to
build
out
what
they're
going
to
build
out?
How
do
they
approach
the
development
differently
of
assuming
the
city
is
interested
in
getting
involved
in
the
business.
F
I
think
that
it's
probably
ever
been
done
anywhere,
certainly
North,
America
and
perhaps
on
the
face
of
the
planet.
None
of
that
is
possible
for
this
kind
of
development.
Without
us,
looking
at
variations
from
the
code
variation
from
the
book
If
you
will
and
our
ability
to
do
that
as
a
smaller
entity
is,
is
high.
K
K
Correct
and
so,
and
so
I
knew
that
answer,
and
so
one
of
the
reasons
I
asked
that,
because
one
of
the
things
that
to
be
honest
with
you,
that
gives
me
pause
is
that,
just
in
in
just
a
few
months,
we're
we're
literally
at
the
footstep
of
a
new
Administration
whoever's
elected,
to
become
the
next
mayor.
We're
going
to
get
at
the
very
least
three
new
council
members
and
I
understand
that.
K
There's
a
steep
learning
curve
that
I'm
sure
you're
you're,
witnessing
just
even
by
some
of
the
questions,
but
some
of
that's
still
going
to
need
to
be
overcome,
even
if
with
the
new
Council
right,
because
some
of
the
agree,
some
of
the
other
things
important
components
of
this,
are
going
to
have
to
come
back
next
year.
And
so
what
gives
me
a
little
bit
of
pause
is
making
this
decision
now,
essentially
seemingly
locking
in
the
new
Council
to
this
particular
direction.
Right
and
and
so
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
that.
K
So
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out.
There
I'm
not
sure
if
others
share
that
concern,
but
I
wanted
to
express
that
and
and
but
but
those
are
all
the
questions.
I
have
I
think
there's
a
lot
more
to
to
better
understand
here,
but
I
look
forward
to
hearing
from
some
of
the
other,
my
other
colleagues
in
the
mayor
on
this
topic.
I.
Thank
you
for
all
the
work
and
all
the
information
I
appreciate
it.
D
So
I
just
want
to
pop
in
here,
and
thank
you
for
the
questions,
because
this
is
an
important
meeting
here
to
get
to
really
start
understanding
the
depths
of
this,
but
this
particular.
You
know
why
we're
doing
this
is
very
important
to
this
project
and
it
which
is
important
too,
as
we
go
into
some
economic
uncertainty
about
the
viability
of
the
project
and
so
I
appreciate
the
questions.
But
I
just
want
to
make
sure
everybody
understands
in
the
audience
that
this.
K
Let
me
ask
you
a
question
just
on
that
and
Jennifer
I
guess
what
I'm
curious
about
is
is.
Is
it
just
the
way
I
interpreted
your
statement
Jennifer,
but
are
we?
Is
there
a
suggestion
being
put
on
the
table
that
we're
we're
we're
putting
this
development
at
risk?
If
we
don't
make
a
decision
today
and
point
you
in
a
particular
direction
today
is
that
is
that.
D
I
know
I'm
going
to
say
that,
no,
because
again
we're
we're
just
asking,
we
want
to
go
down
a
further
study
route
on
this
and
again
we're
not.
This
is
not
the
final
go
no-go
or
anything,
but
I
think
it's
important
that
we
dive
deeper
in
this
and
continue
to
to
work
on
this
to
see
what
the
future
may
hold
and
the
future
even
Beyond.
This
particular
project
could
be
if
you
saw
the
rate
savings.
That's
that
you
were
shown
on
the
screen
earlier
could
be
very
important.
D
Let's
say,
for
the
water
pollution
control
plant
and
future
rate
payer
savings,
if
we
can
really
lower
our
costs
out
there,
the
airport,
as
we
try
to
attract
more
businesses
and
airplane
service
to
the
airport,
so
it
has
wide-reaching
economic
potential
benefit
to
the
city.
So
again,
just
want
to
encourage
us
to
continue
to
look
at
this
yeah.
K
I
appreciate
that
and
I
have
to
admit
those,
obviously,
the
slides
that
were
up
there.
Obviously
Isis
expect
this
is
for
all
council
members.
One
of
the
appealing
things
about
it
is
the
lower
cost
that
we're
sort
of
put
out
there
as
it
relates
to
you,
know:
municipal-owned
utilities
versus
independent
utilities,
so
I
acknowledge
that
and
think
that's
a
very
important
part
of
it.
So
that
I
think
that's
where
the
you
know.
What's
the
best
choice,
though,
thank
you.
C
Thank
you
and
I'll,
just
maybe
if
I
could
offer
my
own
perspective.
I
talked
to
a
senior
official
at
the
company
today
and
there
was
no
suggestion
that
somehow
or
another
their
decisions
are
contingent
on
our
decision
today.
We
didn't
actually
talk
about
today,
but
but
I
guess
I
would
offer
that
in
the
larger
environment.
C
If
we
agree,
if
we
agree
that
this
is
good
thing
for
the
city,
both
this
and
the
larger
project,
now
we've
already
made
a
decision
about
the
larger
project,
but
you
announced
we
approved
it
well,
if
we
we
agree,
at
least
this
is
worth
exploring
and
I
think
we
were
hearing
that
there's.
This
is
not
a
point
of
no
return.
C
There's
no
sword
hanging
over
anybody's
head
I
think
there
is
just
the
reality
of
what
we
see
in
the
economy,
and
this
is
a
moment
when,
when
companies
are
saying
they're
willing
to
expand,
we
don't
want
to
give
them
any
reason
to
say
well,
let
me
think
about
it:
let's
go
to
online
vice
mayor,
Jones
I.
Thank
you.
Mary.
L
Lori
for
the
The
Briefing
ahead
of
time,
so
most
of
my
questions
have
been
answered,
but
I
keep
going
back
to
mitigating
risks
and
who
takes
on
the
risk.
I
know
that
the
developer
is
going
to
take
on
all
of
the
startup
costs,
but
why
wouldn't
we
ask
the
developer
to
mitigate
all
risk,
as
opposed
to
just
a
portion
of
the
risk.
G
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question
council
members.
So
if
we
go
back
to
the
risk
that
we
identified,
you
know
I,
think
they're
really,
for
you
know
one
is
that
the
Benchmark
rate,
and
so
that
essentially
is
whereas
PG
E's
rates
going
and
that
isn't
it's
not
really
something
that
the
developer
controls,
but
in
some
ways
they
do
own
that
risk
by
by
funding
the
startup
cost.
G
So
if
they
offend
the
startup
and
rates
are
above,
you
know
that
delays
their
repayment
of
those
startup
costs
in
terms
of
the
other
risk,
the
Staffing
levels,
that's
also
something
that
they
don't
control.
That's
something
that
we
control
when
we
hire
but
obviously
very
important
that
we
coordinate
with
them
to
make
sure
that
we
align
hiring
with
that
construction
schedule
so
that
we
keep
costs
competitive
and
then
I
would
say
the
final
one.
G
You
know
really
is
regulatory
risk
around
non-by-passable
charges
and
other
charges
that
you
know
could
occur
and
really
they
are
owning
that
risk
and
that
they're
funding
the
startup
costs,
but
we're
being
good
partners
and
that
you
know
we
recommend
that
it's
great
to
to
go
ahead
and
check
those
rates
before
we
provide
service.
So
if
there
is
a
regulatory
change
that
makes
it
not
competitive,
you
know
that
we're
making
the
the
right
decision
there
for
the
rate
payers
in
that
development.
L
Yeah-
and
you
know
first
of
all,
I
want
to
say
that
you
know
I'm
very
supportive
of
exploring
this
I
think
it's
a
very
intriguing
proposition,
but
I
also
know
Lori
that
you
know
you're
you're
great
at
what
you
do
and
you're
a
subject
matter
expert.
But
you
know
we've
been
surprised
and
encountered
different
issues
that
have
come
up
that
paid.
L
Hopefully
there
wouldn't
be
a
lot
of
resistance
to
incorporating
some
type
of
additional
requirements
to
to
mitigate
or
actually
eliminate
our
risk.
But
that's
a
that
is
a
concern
that
I
still
have.
Is
that
something
that
is
possible
to
to
bring
up
in
the
conversation
or
incorporate
in
your
negotiations?.
G
Yeah,
no
that's
a
good
point
and
certainly
something
we
can
talk
with
them
about.
You
know.
I
would
say
it's
a
it's
just
a
huge
opportunity
that
they
are
willing
to
fund
the
startup
cost,
which
is
great.
It's
a
very
unique
and
you
know
just
to
make
sure
we're
all
clear
on
what
those
startup
costs
are.
G
You
know
currently
they're
funding
the
staff
time
to
work
on
this,
but
also
what
we
imagine
is
not
only
that,
but
the
capital
cost
to
fund
a
reserve
which
is
in
the
report
to
take
care
of
any
operations
and
maintenance
needs
the
utility
might
have
in
those
early
years,
while
it's
building
a
reserve.
But
you
make
a
good
point.
You
know
it
is
something
we
can
work
with
them
on
and,
as
you
saw
in
the
timeline
that
agreement
wouldn't
come
forward
to
council
likely
until
2023.
So
it's
certainly
something
we
can
explore.
F
And
if
I
could
add
Council
vice
mayor,
this
is
Kip
Harkins,
Deputy,
city
manager,
I.
Think
that
the
to
your
point
of
not
knowing
what
we
don't
know,
the
biggest
way
to
mitigate
that
risk
is
to
build
the
small
team
of
people
who
are
the
deep,
deep
experts
in
this
and
get
them
online
with
Google's
funds.
L
Yeah
and
I
definitely
hear
you,
and
but
one
of
the
things
I've
learned
kept
over
our
you
know
last
couple
of
years
and
are
going
through.
This
process
is
even
with
some
of
the
smartest
and
brightest
people
that
they're
we're
constantly
being
hit
with
the
unexpected.
You
know,
issues
and
and
problems
so
that
that's
where
a
lot
of
my
concern
is
coming
from
and
so
Lori
again,
if
there's
any
way
that
we
can
incorporate
that
as
part
of
the
negotiation,
that
would
be
my
my
preference
and
that's
all
I
have.
E
E
I
I
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
the
city
going
into
the
utility
business
beyond
what
we're
already
doing
with
SJ
clean
energy,
so
I'll
just
lay
that
out
there,
as
my
Benchmark
of
where
I'm
coming
from
that
and
I'm
concerned
about
the
impact
financially
on
our
general
fund,
so
I
want
to
get
into
that
a
little
bit
Lori
and
others.
You
thank
you
for
the
report.
By
the
way
you've
mentioned
many
times
that
the
developer
is
going
to
pay
the
startup
costs.
E
Can
you
detail
what
those
startup
costs
are?
What's
what
are?
What's
the
dollar
amount
we're
talking
about,
and
specifically,
what
does
that
mean?
Is
that
building
the
substation
is
that
paying
for
the
infrastructure?
Is
that
paying
for
the
staff
we
need?
What
is
the
detail
of
that
and
how
many
dollars
are
you
estimating?
That
will
be.
G
So
our
council,
member-
that
that's
a
really
great
question,
so
today
they
are
funding
100
of
the
staff
time,
as
we
expressed
during
the
presentation.
What
is
normal
for
developers
is,
they
would
put
in
the
electrical
infrastructure
and
really
the
question
is
so
they've
fund
that
fully
they
construct
it
and
the
question
is:
do
they
turn
it
over
to
PG
e
or
do
they
turn
it
over
to
the
city
to
own
and
operate
and
then
in
terms
of
the
startup
cost
I'm
going
to?
B
B
That's
the
principal
cost
is
the
Staffing
cost
and
that
would
be
funded
by
the
developer,
but
would
be
reimbursed
through
future
revenues
once
the
load
was
big
enough
to
to
support
that.
There's
other
costs,
in
terms
of
you
know
some
of
the
costs
related
to
maintenance
and,
as
Laurie
mentioned
sort
of
pre
pre-funding,
a
reserve
fund.
B
E
Okay,
dollar
amounts,
I
haven't,
heard
dollar
amounts
being
thrown
out.
So
if
I'm
Google
Google's
a
developer,
we're
talking
about
right
if
I'm
Google
I
want
to
know,
what's
the
cost
of
these
startup
costs,
what's
the
cost
of
the
construction?
What's
the
maintenance,
Reserve
fund,
etc,
etc.
I
I
hear
all
these
names.
What
what's
the
dollar
amount
and
I
know
it's
an
estimate
but
I'm
just
trying
to
get
a
handle
on
millions
billions.
G
Yeah
all
good
questions.
You
know,
council,
member
I,
think
you
know
all
of
that.
We
did
a
lot
of
modeling
on
that
and
happy
to
follow
up
with
you
on
the
ranges
in
terms
of
Staffing
costs.
Yes,
millions
in
the
you
know,
under
10
million
likely,
but
we'll
we'll
follow
up
with
those
exact
numbers
in
terms
of
the
startup
Capital
I
believe
it
was
in
the
20
to
40
million
dollar
range.
But
importantly,
you
know
this
is
a
very
early
action
here.
G
All
of
those
costs
would
be
detailed
in
the
business
agreement
that
we
expect
to
bring
forward
to
Council
next
year.
So
that
would
detail
in
detail
exactly
what
the
costs
are
exactly
what
they're
funding
and
exactly
what
those
repayment
terms
are
so
we're
just
not
quite
there
yet.
You
know
we're
early
days
and
just
assessing
is
this
economically
viable?
If
that
makes
sense.
E
G
G
E
G
E
E
G
So
not
the
infrastructure,
our
our
expectation
is
that
they
would
put
that
in
they
either
turn
it
over
to
us
or
to
PG
e.
So,
to
be
honest
with
you,
we
don't
know
what
those
numbers
are.
Those
are
you
know
Google's
own
business,
of
how
they
construct
that
infrastructure
that
would
not
be
reimbursed
those
Capital
costs.
What
we're
talking
about
is
the
the
cost
that
they
would
put
into
a
reserve
to
fund
the
operations
and
maintenance
once
revenues
were
sufficient
to
reimburse
them.
G
That's
what
we
are
talking
about,
reimbursing
them
for
just
that
operations
reserve
and
the
reason
for
that
is
if
we
were
an
operating
utility
utilities
have
reserves.
The
issue
here
is
that
we're
we're
starting
up,
and
so
there
isn't
a
reserve,
and
so
what
we've
asked
them
to
do
is
to
go
ahead
and
pre-fund
that
so
that
there
are
funds
available
in
case
we
need
to
replace
equipment
and
and
maintain
it
from
that
Reserve
does
that.
F
In
addition,
they
would
put
up
front
their
own
funding
in
place
to
cover
our
any
costs
on
our
side,
which
we
would
be
drawing
down
from
for
operations
and
maintenance
of
that
over
a
long
period
of
time,
to
the
extent
that
we
begin
to
come
up
on
the
positive
side
of
the
cost
structure
for
just
that
development.
This
does
not
include
anything.
This
has
nothing
to
do
with
Community
energy.
This
is
a
completely
separate
entity,
we're
not
talking
about
any
citizen
rate
payers
or
any
existing
businesses
or
any
existing
customers
in
San
Jose.
F
Yeah,
because
part
of
what
part
of
what
gets
confusing
is
this
is
this
would
be
starting
a
completely
separate
business
from
Community
energy
and
would
be
a
completely
separate
set
of
payments
and
obligations,
and
we
would
put
seek
to
put
neither
the
general
fund
nor
the
community
energy
customers
within
that
equation.
As
we
as
we
build
out,
the
transaction.
E
Okay,
all
of
this
goes
to
how
complicated
this
issue
is
and
how
I've
read
the
memo.
I've
read
it
twice
and
the
two
times
I
read
it
and
I
heard
your
presentation.
Maybe
I
wasn't
listening
that
closely,
but
the
the
there's
an
implication
that
there
at
least
this
is
how
I'm
interpreting
and
it
means
I-
have
to
go
back
and
read
it
again
and
make
sure
I'm
right
or
wrong
and
and
I'll
adjust
my
a
theory
at
at
that
time.
E
E
I
think
the
devil
is
in
the
detail,
so
I'll
be
looking
forward
to
those
details
as
they
come
down,
but
I,
but
I
hear
where
you're
coming
from
my
question
about
the
reimbursement
is
what,
if
is,
is
the
agreement
going
to
include
a
time
frame
such
as
okay,
we're
going
to
reimburse
you
within
10
years
and
then
what?
If
we
don't,
what,
if
we
don't,
it
all
depends
on
the
amount
of
rate
payers
we
have
who
are
utilizing.
F
F
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
clear
on
that
and
that
the
obligations
in
terms
of
of
who
we
are
serving
and
who
would
be
paying
back
that
would
go
into
the
reimbursement,
are
exclusively
limited
to
the
80
acres
of
the
new
development
and
don't
touch
any
any
customers,
because
is
that
correct
any
any
new
there
will
be
customers
within
the
80
acres?
There
may
be
multiple
rate
payers
because
of
development,
but
it's
only
within
the
88
acres.
E
E
It's
complicated
but
I'm,
fairly
risk
averse,
so
I'm
I'm
hesitant
to
move
forward
with
speed,
I'm
interested
in
moving
forward,
but
I'd
like
to
be
more
thoughtful
and
speed.
Isn't
something
I'm
interested
in
right
now
with
this
issue,
because
it's
so
complicated
for
me
to
understand
and
that's
admitted
in
public
how
complicated
this
is
for
me
so
for
that
I
I
see
I've
exceeded
my
10
minutes,
so
I'll
move
on
and
let
someone
else
speak.
Thank
you.
L
G
Sure
so
the
benefit
to
the
developer
is
potentially
lower
rates
for
that
development,
so
they
would
be
a
ratepayer,
along
with
the
other
residents
and
businesses
in
the
development.
The
other
benefit
is
design
flexibility,
so
a
more
advanced,
Microsoft
microgrid,
more
clean
energy
there.
Those
are
the
two
benefits
to
the
developer
in
terms
of
to
the
city.
G
F
I
think
the
only
two
things
I
would
add
on
on
top
of
that
is
that,
from
the
city
perspective,
we
get
the
chance
to
do
this
right
with
a
developer
partner.
Who
is
willing
to
take
the
time
to
do
this
the
right
way
and
then
to
the
question
that
that
was
asked
earlier.
We
can
then
make
a
more
informed
decision
if
we
want
to
scale
to
other
areas
on
a
really
strong
Point
of
Departure.
F
The
other
thing
on
the
on
the
developer,
Advantage
from
my
perspective,
is
that,
in
addition
to
just
sort
of
the
the
design
flexibility,
it
really
gives
them
the
opportunity
to
do
a
true
signature
project,
and
that's
something
that
that
I
think
is
is
is
to
me
very
interesting.
But
it's
something
I
know
that
they've
also
expressed
in
terms
of
how
they
want
to
do
their
work,
going
forward
to
make
sure
that
this
is
really
quite
revolutionary
and-
and
we
believe
this
would
allow
them
the
opportunity
to
do
that.
L
Okay,
so
environmentally
it's
a
benefit
to
the
city
and
as
far
as
if
this
is
not
a
one-off
and
we're
going
to
replicate
this
model
for
other
developments,
then
it
sends
a
clear
message
that
the
city
of
San
Jose
is,
is
willing
to
work
with
potential
Developers
for
new
projects.
Is
there
any
Financial
benefit
to
the
city
to
pursue
this.
G
There
could
be,
as
I
noted
many
publicly
owned
utilities
provide
payment
in
lieu
of
taxes
to
the
local
government
and
those
are
really
meant
to
offset
what
they
otherwise
would
receive
from
franchise
fees
or
other
utility
taxes.
But
many
publicly
owned
utilities
provide
benefits
beyond
that.
From
those
rate
savings
yeah,
but
we'd.
C
Like
to
just
offer,
I
just
had
a
conversation
with
a
CEO
three
days
ago,
who
said
I'm
reluctant
to
expand
in
San
Jose,
because
you
don't
have
Public
Power
and
you've
got
Transformers
that
blow
and
you've
got
a
hundred
and
ten
hundred
thousand
people
who
are
without
power
and
I
I'd
like
to
go
to
a
city
like
Palo,
Alto
or
Santa
Clara,
where
I
know
they're
going
to
invest
in
the
infrastructure.
The
local
infrastructure,
I
I.
C
That
was
just
all
I,
want
to
offer
customer
vice
mayor
Jones
that
this
is
an
economic
and
financial
issue
for
us
in
terms
of
viability,
the
future
of
our
city,
because
we
continue
to
be
dependent
on
the
utility.
That's
going
to
invest
40
billion
dollars,
probably
in
undergrounding
transmission
distribution
lines,
rather
than
prioritizing
the
infrastructure
replacement
in
our
own
City
and
we've
seen
that
time
in
again
since
2020,
and
certainly
before.
C
L
I
I
appreciate
that
mayor
and
if,
if
this
is
not
just
a
one-off,
which
could
very
well
be,
then
then
that's
a
that's
a
great
point
in
terms
of
the
messages
that
we're
sending
to
the
rest
of
the
business
Community
could
could
be
a
one-off
or
it
could
not
be.
We
don't
know
what
the
future
holds,
but
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
have
a
clear
understanding
as
we
go
into
this.
L
C
Thanks
I
I
want
to
pick
up
what
vice
mayor,
Jones
left
off,
because
I
think
that's
a
really
important
point.
Is
this
a
one-off
or
not,
and-
and
this
is
really
important
because,
regardless
of
whatever
Google
does
or
doesn't
do
we
had
this
issue
about
moving
forward
with
microgrids
come
before
this
Council
and
and
Laurie
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
think
we
unanimously
voted
to
move
forward
to
explore.
How
we
could
deploy
microgrids
in
this
city
is
that
right.
C
C
It
looks
like
we
get
a
lot
of
other
advantages
like
cost
advantages
and
economic
advantages
as
well,
and
so
I
I,
just
I.
Think
it's
important
for
us
to
keep
our
our
eyes
on
the
big
picture,
which
is
we
can
continue
to
wait
and
hope
and
pray
that
everybody
else
is
going
to
solve
our
problems
for
us,
or
we
can
actually
take
the
initiative
to
move
forward.
C
All
the
the
downside,
risks,
I,
think
councilmember
Foley
and
vice
Merrick,
Jones
very
appropriately,
identify
that
we
need
to
make
sure
we
fully
explore
and
make
sure
we've
got
strong
agreements,
but
it
feels
an
awful
lot
to
me
like
this
is
where
we
were
with
San
Jose
clean
energy
a
few
years
ago,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
hesitation.
I
know,
I
heard
it
from
from
from
lots
of
folks
about
what
are
the
risks
to
the
city
and
appropriately
so
they're.
C
We
have
to
fully
analyze
those
risks,
but
the
only
way
you
can
do
that
is,
if
you're
actually
moving
forward
and
learning
and
delving
into
it.
If
we
don't
come
back
with
regs,
if
we
don't
come
back
with
anything
the
analysis,
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
really
understand
this
enough
to
move
forward
or
to
decide.
C
There's
a
better
path
and
and
I
I
just
think
it's
important
for
us,
while
we're
in
a
position
where
we
have
the
ability
to
move
backward
to
at
least
be
able
to
move
forward,
to
give
ourselves
that
choice,
give
ourselves
that
choice
and,
in
particular,
I
know.
This
is
not
part
of
this
study.
This
wasn't
part
of
the
analysis,
but
you
know
I've
been
talking
to
other
City
officials
about
hey
what
are
the
opportunities
here.
C
Guess
I'd
like
to
understand
what
exactly
are
the
steps
for
us
in
terms
of
regulatory
or
other
steps
that
we
would
need,
assuming
that
we
had
the
will
to
go,
invest
in
the
infrastructure
ourselves
to
go
put
in
the
polls
or
underground
the
wires
whatever
it
might
be,
to
expand
a
microgrid
like
this
to
ensure
that
those
essential
assets
could
be
part
of
the
micro
grid?
Could
you
help
us
understand
what
that
might
be.
G
G
You
know,
then
that
is
infrastructure
that
we'd
have
to
construct
and
connect
likely.
We
would
need
Revenue
Bond
Authority,
for
that
which
typically
does
need
to
go
to
the
voters.
So
that's
something
we
would
need
to
do
to
raise
financing
for
that,
but
it's
it's
certainly
something
we
could
explore.
Probably
a
lot
easier
to
first
start
with
this
development
and
then
connect
load
over
time,
but
certainly
something
we
could.
We
could
look
at
I,
don't
know
Doug.
If
you
had
any
anything
else,
you
wanted
to
expand
on
there.
C
B
Right,
that's
right,
and
you
know
it's
possible
that
there
will
be
enough
capacity
within
the
facilities
built
to
serve
downtown
west
to
serve
some
additional
load.
But
at
some
point
you
would
need
to
be
looking
at
constructing
a
larger
substation
or
a
substation
to
serve
those
that
other,
particularly
if
it's
further
away.
C
I
And
then,
when
you
talk
about
this
being
vertical
and
you
talk
about
it
having
a
green
space,
that
means
that
there's
a
lot
of
solar
energy-
that's
not
being
converted
yeah,
you
know
the
the
the
7.8
megawatts
of
solar
on-site
for
the
development
is
aggressive,
it's
possible
that
they
could
get.
Maybe
10
11,
something
like
that,
the
more
they
get
then
it
tends
to
not
make
as
much
energy
because
it
doesn't
see
the
sun
quite
as
well.
I
What
I
think
you're
looking
for
here
when
you're
trying
to
get
the
energy
is,
is
you're,
saying
that
you,
you
have
a
lot
of
parking
lots
close
to
this
development.
You
can
put
solar
on
those
parking
lots
you
can.
You
can
bring
energy
into
the
development
that
doesn't
rely
on
the
on
the
broader
grid,
but
for
those
80
acres,
Google
believe
me,
they
are
trying
as
hard
as
they
can
to
cram
as
much
energy
as
they
can.
There
are
clearly
other
things
that
you
could
do
besides.
Solar.
I
None
of
those
today
are
meet
the
requirements
of
being
cost
effective
and
also
no
ghg
in
the
future.
There's
a
lot
of
talk
about
green
hydrogen.
There's
talk
about
modular
nuclear
there's
talk
about
all
kinds
of
things
that
you
could
do
in
the
future,
but
the
this
is.
This
is
what
the
technology
allows
us
to
do
right
now
on
that
site,
yeah,
but
clearly
we
can
expand
the
microgrid
to
serve
more
load
adjacent
by
by
constructing
facilities
adjacent
to
the
development.
Okay,.
C
C
G
C
Know
you
pointed
to
the
the
the
the
benefits
of
Public
Power,
and
there
are
many
and
I
hear
it
all
the
time,
because
I
talked
to
the
mayor
of
Sacramento
and
mayor's
LA
and
I'm
very
jealous
of
what
they're
able
to
do,
because
they
have
Public
Power
there,
not
to
mention
more
local
cities
like
Santa
Clara,
and
what
they're
able
to
the
benefits
they're
able
to
devote
to
bring
the
community
in
terms
of
local
investment
and
so
forth.
But
then
you
mentioned
Kauai
in
my
understanding.
Is
that
wasn't
actually
public?
C
That
was
actually
a
Cooperative
I?
Think
you
mentioned
that
it
was.
It
was
actually
customer-owned
rape
around.
Is
that
correct?
So
had
we
considered
a
repair
owned
facility
or
utility
here?
If
we
would
assume
ultimately,
San
Jose
would
be
one
of
those
repairs.
If
we've
got
streets
going
through,
for
example,
we
need
to
pay
for
street
lights,
I,
don't
know,
maybe
I
don't
know.
I
assume
we're
paying
for
the
street
light
service.
Is
that
right.
G
G
C
G
B
C
G
A
Cooper
ate
we
take
care,
but
again
that
wouldn't
be
a
councils.
That
would
be
a
whole
new
entity
that
would
be
formed
by
those.
So
it
would
just
be
a
different
decision
body.
So
that's
why
we
didn't
look
at
it
for
this
in
terms
of
what's
actually
under
the
city's
control,
you
could
serve
it
as
a
publicly
owned
utility.
If
a
group
of.
G
You
know
we
looked
at
what's
under
the
city's
control,
which
is
forming
a
publicly
owned
utility,
there
are
other
organizational
structures
or
you're
correct
Co-op,
and
even
a
municipal
Utility
District,
that's
how
Sacramento
is
organized,
so
they
serve
beyond
the
actual
city
limits
of
the
city
of
Sacramento
and
they're
governed
by
a
municipal
Utility
District
board
again
that
that
entity
would
have
to
be
started
up
and
and
formed
in
order
to
serve
it.
That
way,
yeah.
C
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
Lori.
So
that
would
be
a
question
that
we
could
theoretically
explore
with
the
developer.
If
there
was
any
interest,
then
the
last
thing
just
about
expanding
this,
because
I
think
ultimately,
this
gets
up
and
running.
They're
gonna
be
a
lot
of
neighbors
who
would
love
to
be
in
it,
particularly
given
how
hard
it
is
to
do
undergrounding
these
days
and
I
guess
my
question
would
be:
do
those
rule
20
fees
that
are
paid
in
by
development
throughout
the
city?
G
B
A
C
G
Would
assume
you
know
what
publicly
owned
utilities
do
is?
Have
the
developer
pay
in
you
know
to
underground
other
departments,
so
they
wouldn't
pay
it
to
PG
e.
They
would
pay
it
directly
to
the
city
and
that
that
might
be
something
that
could
be
brought
forward
in
in
that
business
agreement
with
the
developer,
yeah.
C
J
Let
me
let
me
just
start
a
lot
of
things
that
were
triggered
by
a
lot
of
the
comments.
I
want
to
be
sure,
I.
Think
there's
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
clear
and
some
things
that
that
the
mayor
said
that
I
think
are
not
quite
quite
right
and
I
want
to
make
sure
we
fully
have
a
neutral
understanding
of
this.
He
mentioned
micro
grids
and
the
fact
that
we
voted
to
do
microgrids,
and
we
did
have
this
conversation.
J
Beginning
of
my
questioning
before
we
can
do
micro
grids
on
our
community
centers
on
our
libraries
on
our
airport.
We
can
do
a
micro
grid
on
our
Emergency
Operations
Center,
which
I
think
we
already
committed
to
doing
regardless
of
a
utility.
So
we
just
want
to
be
sure.
These
are
two
different
issues,
whether
we
do
microgrid
or
whether
we
do
a
municipal
utility
and
just
just
confirm
that
again.
For
me,.
G
You're,
correct
I
think
it's
the
scale
of
the
microgrid
that
you
could
do
without
a
city-owned
utility.
For
example,
if
there
were
City
buildings
adjacent
to
each
other
that
crossed
the
streets,
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
connect
those
buildings,
but
the
buildings
you
know
there.
Certainly
we
could
put
a
smaller
microgrid
and.
J
J
J
J
J
J
So
so
anyway,
we
doing
this
and
I
think
it's
a
great
opportunity
to
do
it
see
how,
with
that
or
find
out
for
sure,
there's
no
additional
scale,
and
at
least
on
have
an
understanding
that
that's
what
we're
going
to
be
doing
is
just
testing
this
in
one
case,
but
need
to
start
almost
from
scratch.
In
another
case,
if
we
did
that
yeah.
B
Just
a
comment
on
that
I
mean
there
will
could
be
an
opportunity.
I
mean
the
the
Transformers,
are
kind
of
a
key
piece
of
equipment
and
they
come
in
kind
of
standard
sizes,
and
so
the
the
there
likely
would
be
installed
Transformers
that
will
be
bigger
than
the
plan
load
for
this
project,
which
might
present
some
opportunity.
B
But
you'd
also
would
then
have
to
amend
the
interconnection
agreement,
and
you
know
make
sure
that
there's
enough
transmission
capacity
available
to
serve
the
project.
But
with
these
proposals
that
you
mentioned
the
the
two
new
DC
transmission
lines,
our
expectation
is
there's
going
to
be
plenty
of
capacity
to
serve
the
load
in
this
area
in
the
future.
Okay
and.
J
I,
don't
I,
don't
have
any
doubt
that
Google's
going
to
try
to
push
the
envelope
on
solar
on
their
site
and
there's
Technologies
are
changing.
You
know
right
now.
We
know,
for
example,
Applied
Materials
had
solar
windows
that
allow
light
through,
but
still
collect,
energy
and
I
hope
that
they
would
try
everything
they
can
to
maximize
the
solar.
But
you
know
we'll
we'll
see
how
that
plays
out,
and
my
guess
is
one
of
the
solar
engine.
J
One
of
the
Google
Engineers
is
going
to
perfect
cold
fusion
at
some
point
and
then
we'll
be
they'll
just
do
that
there
too,
so
we'll
we'll
get
as
much
energy
as
we
can
one
just
one
other
question
on
the
maintenance
and
operation
we
need
staff
for
maintenance
and
operation
and
and
you're
saying
that
they
would
endow
in
some
sense
endow
some
of
that
staff.
The
startup
costs
right.
G
Yeah
we,
we
definitely
do
think
that,
and
so
that's
what
the
model
looked
at
is
the
stopping
levels
to
support
that.
You
know
if
we
expanded
beyond
that,
we
may
need
incremental
stuff
as
well.
But
yes,
that's
that's
what
the
study
concluded.
I,
don't
know
Doug.
It's
you
want
to
expand
on
that.
Yeah.
B
B
You
know
that
cost
us
well
first
off
some
of
those
are
just
one-time
costs
and
they
they
they're,
not
ongoing,
but
once
you've
committed
to
higher
Staff.
You
know
you're,
making
a
longer
term
commitment
and-
and
you
know
you
would
be
adding
staff
at
as
the
the
footprint
grows,
but
at
the
beginning,
they're,
you
know,
there's
a
certain
small
Core
group
that
you
have
to
have
no
matter
what
the
load
is
right.
J
And
then
just
about
the
reimbursement
council,
member
Foley
was
kind
of
touching
on
this,
that
the
rates
are
being
paid
by
mostly
by
Google,
but
also
other
I,
guess
other
tenants
on
at
their
site
and
they're
paying
it
at
a
level.
That
presumably,
is
enough
that
we'd
be
building
up
a
reserve
that
we
could
use
to
pay
back,
but
the
benefit
to
them
is
that
the
rates
are
as
low
as
possible.
So
it's
kind
of
just
an
interesting
kind
of
weird
circular
thing.
J
G
Yeah
I
think
that's
what
we
hope
to
Define
in
the
the
business
agreement
and
the
reimbursement
agreement
that
would
be
brought
forward
to
council
I.
Think
primarily,
you
know.
What
we
want
to
make
sure
is
that
we
have
built
up
that
Reserve
before
we
start
that
repayment,
so
that
we
do
have
a
fund
to
take
care
of
any
operations
and
maintenance,
but
you're
right
utilities
could
always
raise
the
rates
to
be
able
to
pay
it
back
but
sort
of
one
pocket
it
into
the
other.
G
You
know,
and
so
you
know,
I
think
what
we've
heard
from
them
is.
The
interest
is
to
keep
rates
low
and-
and
you
know
that
definitely
would
be
our
recommendation
as
well.
Hopefully
we
could
achieve
that
at
least
that
minimum
at
that
15
percent
and
then
you
know,
start
to
repay
and
then
over
time
lower
the
rates
you
know
once
once
that
repayment
was
finished.
You
know
it
could
in
the
base
case
it
showed.
G
J
Thank
you
and
my
last
question.
I
I
know
there
was
there's
been
some
questions
about
when
we
have
to
make
a
decision
and
whether
we're
you
know
whether
Google
is
depending
on
this
right
in
some
sense
in
their
development
they're
they're.
They
like
this
idea
because
we're
saying
there's
a
cost,
savings
and
energy.
J
So
if
we
go
down
this
path
and
we're
saying
we're
pursuing
this
and
we're
hoping
that
there'll
be
15
savings
and
your
energy,
but
then
at
some
point
the
things
don't
pencil
out
for
the
council,
the
council
says
no
and
all
of
a
sudden.
Now
they
have
to
go
back
to
baking
in
that
extra
15
back
into
their
model.
That's
what
concerns
me
is
somehow
going
down
a
path
that
ends
up
not
happening
and
changing
the
calculations
for
the
downtown
west
development
is
that
is
that
a
risk.
G
You
know
I,
think
that's
something
that
could
happen,
but
that
you
know
that
is
the
rest
they
have
today
like.
If
we
decide
we
don't
want
to
be
in
this,
then
they're
paying
PG
e
rates
and
I
think
that's
why
they're
interested
in
looking
at
other
options
right
but
I
think
beyond
that,
it's
not
just
a
rate
thing.
It's
that
design
flexibility
to
be
able
to
build
that
really
Innovative
grid
of
the
future
that
they
want
to
build.
J
J
C
C
So
I
appreciate
the
distinction
David's
making,
but
practically
speaking,
if
we
really
want
microgrids
to
provide
a
solution
for
the
city,
we
are
talking
about
the
same
thing:
microgrids
and
a
public
utility.
It's
got
to
be
together
because
otherwise
we're
going
to
do
one
off
this
thing
and
let's
face
it,
we
don't
have
a
single
microgrid,
yet
that
we've
created
in
the
city,
despite
the
fact
that
there
was
Council
direction
to
do
so,
believing
we're
going
to
have
you
know
let
a
thousand
flowers
bloom
on
every
block
is
not
likely
given
the
enormous
cost.
C
K
A
lot
to
think
about
my
mind
was
spinning,
as
you
were
talking
so
I
I,
appreciate
that,
because
one
of
the
questions
I
had
was
when
does
you
know,
30
microgrids
microgrids
across
the
city
in
fact
make
us
a
real
utility.
If
you
will
right
and
then
who
how
that
works
and
and
so
I
appreciate
the
mayor's
comments
on
that
I
guess.
K
I
I
guess
for
me,
that
is
one
sort
of
slice
of
the
discussion.
The
other
is.
Do
we
want
to
go
sort
of
Full
Tilt
at
the
city
at
some
point
right
and
I
know
it's
been
framed
as-
and
this
is
part
of
the
challenge
I
have
right-
is
that
moving
forward.
It
essentially
leaves
open
the
option
to
do
that
which,
which
I,
appreciate
and
I
can
understand
that
but
I.
What
gives
me
a
little
bit
of
heartburn?
Is
this?
K
That's
a
long-term
sort
of
discussion
that
would
be
had
at
a
different
time,
but
it's
just
I'm
having
trouble
sort
of
disaggregating
that
and
trying
to
make
make
a
decision
as
it
relates
to
providing
Google
that
space
that
they
need,
and
the
larger
discussion
and
more
important
discussion
quite
frankly,
but
I
know
they're
tied
is
is
going.
You
know
doing
this
city-wide,
and
so
what
I'm
curious
about
is.
Is
there
a
middle
path
here?
Is
there
in
your
mind,
Lori?
Is
there
anything?
F
Yeah,
council,
member
I
actually
think
that's
exactly
the
right
way
to
do.
It
I
think
we
have
a
case
study
here.
That
is
very
clear
that
we
think
we've
got
a
great
opportunity
to
move
forward
with
the
speed
that
is
needed
by
West
Bank
and
the
developer
on
which
we
will
learn
a
great
deal
very
rapidly
about
the
efficacy
of
this
and
also
can
learn
in
parallel
about
the
expandability
and
the
scalability
of
this.
F
As
somebody
who,
like
you,
has
had
to
learn
into
this,
it
is
an
extremely
complicated
subject
of
which
we're
graced
to
have
some
amazing
experts
on
staff,
but
what
I
would
commit
to
you
very
strongly
is
that
we
would
absolutely
come
back
to
you
and
go
into
great
depth
before
we
were
to
expand
this
Beyond
Google.
This
would
not
be
in
any
given
Tuesday
kind
of
hey
here's
the
memo
by
the
way,
we're
doing
an
extra
half
of
the
city.
This
would
be
something
that
we
would
need
to
take
into
a
very
careful
consideration.
F
We
believe
that
if
this
were
to
be
a
division
that
handled
this
development
and
only
this
development
that
it's
this
decision,
that
at
this
point,
looks
like
it
makes
sense
for
the
city,
but
we
would
not
move
beyond
that
without
a
very
considered
and
detailed
conversation
with
the
entire
Council
as
a
whole
and
and
the
assurance
that
you
had.
The
understanding
that
you
needed
to
make
that
call
I
think
that's
very
reasonable.
I
think
that's
actually
the
middle
way
that
we're
proposing
and.
K
Lori
and
to
ukip,
anyone
that
can
answer
this.
So
if
you
go
to
scrolling
through
the
slides,
I
didn't
realize,
there's
like
38
slides
so
in
slide,
37
there's,
there's
a
timeline
of
the
next
five
years
right,
and
so,
where
do
you
all
envision?
Assuming
this
all
moves
forward
today,
we
say:
bring
back
codes
by
the
end
of
the
year,
we'll
have
that
discussion,
I'm
hoping
other
other
colleagues
chime
in
because
I'd
like
to
hear
other
perspectives.
F
I
think
the
the
key
off
ramp,
of
course,
are
in
December.
If
you
don't
want
us
to
move
forward
with
the
formation
of
a
municipal
utility
in
the
code
that
we
wouldn't
have
the
power
to
do,
the
work
needed
the
business
agreement
will
will
find
will
be
the
key
one,
because
that
will
spell
out
in
in
intricate
detail
the
ins
and
the
outs
of
the
financing
and
the
reimbursement
and
how
the
risks
are
shared
and
appropriated.
And
that
really
is
the
go,
no
go
in
many
ways.
F
The
the
follow-on
of
the
design
standards
and
such
is
is
all
premise
on
the
business
agreement
moving
forward
and
would
essentially
have
to
come
forward
once
you
have
the
business
agreement,
so
the
key
ones
are
the
December
decision
and
the
2023
decision
around
the
business
agreement.
Beyond
that.
Moving
forward
on
additional
expansion
would
be
a
case
by
case,
and
we
would
come.
F
I'd
actually
like
it
it
to
ask
Nancy
to
come
down
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
as
someone
who
has
a
real
understanding
of
West
Bank
and
their
perspective,
we've
been
saying
a
lot
of
things
about
them.
But
you
you've
been
deeply
in
the
conversations
with
them
for
a
couple
of
million
years
of
your
life
and
if
you
could
give
us
a
sense
of
of
what
your
sense
of
the
perspective
is
on
and
their
perspective
on.
This.
D
That's
the
only
way
we're
going
to
achieve
our
ghd
goals,
so
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
afford
to
do
this
on
our
own.
We're
going
to
leverage
as
Lori's
leadership
is
taken
us
far
in
this
work.
More
broadly
on
the
dollar
amounts
it's
in
no
way
that
Google
is
saying
City.
You
got
to
do
this
or
I'm
out
of
here,
but
we're
as
a
team.
D
You
guys
included
really
aware
of
costs,
and
right
now
is
an
incredibly
precarious
time
and
for
us
to
signal
that
we're
not
ready
to
explore
and
keep
going
and
be
open
to
I
mean
absolutely
gotta.
Make
sure
this
makes
sense
for
the
city.
There's
big
issues
here,
but
to
make
sure
that
we're
moving
forward
with
an
opportunity
and
if
there
is
the
data
that
supports
that
we
go
forward,
and
it
may
be
that
it's
this
one,
but
I
can
tell
you
and
have
mentioned
to
Kip,
and
so
that's.
Why
he's
speaking
about
West,
Bank,
yeah.
D
D
Their
decisions
to
keep
moving
forward
is
if
they
can
link
their
buildings
with
power
grips
and
just
to
spend
a
moment,
because
we
brought
West
Bank
up
already
in
Toronto
as
and
other
parts
of
Canada
and
in
Seattle
they
they
are
already
implementing
very
significant
grids
and
other
heat
gain,
as
the
mayor
mentioned,
from
sewer
Etc.
So
they
are
here
to
demonstrate
sustainability.
D
F
And
then
the
other
thing
just
to
sort
of
counterbalance
that
we
have
a.
We
have
a
strong
and
sometimes
overly
aggressive
risk
oversight,
committee
and
group
of
folks
that's
working
alongside
Lori
on
this
and
and
we
are
very
committed
to
taking
a
city-wide
perspective
and
and
making
sure
that
the
recommendations
that
we
are
bringing
forward
to
you
are
based
on
looking
at
the
complexity
of
managing
the
city
as
a
whole
and
not
just
the
short-sighted
question
of.
Does
this
work
from
a
utility
perspective.
F
M
M
I
know,
San
Jose
State
is
proud
to
have
a
power
generation
and
resiliency
on
on
their
site
and
I
hear
that
brought
up
from
the
Downtown
Development
community.
So
I
would
agree
with
with
that
and
and
interest
to
want
to
try
and
continue
to
to
drive
down
this
path.
Where
I
I
share
some
concern
and
I
was
able
to
to
get
a
peek
at
the
the
mayor's
memo.
M
I
I
believe
it
was
yesterday
and
where
I
shared
concern
was
just
sort
of
taking
this
action.
That
was
in
the
that's
now.
The
motion
that
we
have
that
is
is
asking
of
staff
on
some
Unicode
changes
again.
I,
don't
think
it's
bad
to
be
prepared,
but
I
had
a
couple
concerns
with
it
number
one.
Just
myself:
I
didn't
have
too
much
time
to
kind
of
dive
into
the
to
the
understanding
or
significance
of
that.
M
We've
had
some
chance
to
talk
about
it
today,
but
we
really
haven't
heard
back
from
staff,
so
I
I
would
be
curious.
First
on
a
response
from
staff
on
on
what
that
workload.
For
that
municode
change
would
be.
Typically,
we
would.
If
this
came
through
rules,
we
would
get
a
really
consideration
form
on
on
the
workload
there,
and
we
didn't
have
a
chance
to
to
see
that
here.
M
M
Nonetheless,
the
example
being
shared
there
is
that
what
we
have
is
is
a
request
here,
for,
in
my
mind,
it
could
be
a
pretty
significant
Municipal,
Code
change
and
being
asked
of
staff
to
complete
that
in
the
next
couple
months,
and
so
I
first
would
like
to
hear
from
staff
as
a
response
on
on
that,
the
direction
that
we
have
in
the
memo
today
on.
What
is
your
capability
of
doing
that
and
then,
while
we're
at
it?
M
If
Matt
you
want
to
be
able
to
respond
on,
you
know
if
we
can
complete
that
within
the
next
couple
months.
Why
is
there
such
a
significant
difference
between
that
in
in
a
pretty
small
Municipal
change
on
what
I
was
referring
to,
if
you
don't
recall,
was
on
the
mobile
pet
grooming
that
we
mobile
prep
groomers,
that
we
that
we
permit
in
the
city.
C
A
All
right,
Matt
thank
you:
Matt
Cano,
Public,
Works,
director
I'm
council
member
Pros.
Thanks
for
your
question
on
the
Animal
Care
ordinance,
the
challenge
I've
had
is
weighing
the
costs
and
benefits
is
as
year
and
many
people
are
aware.
We've
been
pretty
overwhelmed,
Animal,
Care
and
services
this
year
and
even
spending
four
to
six
hours
on
something
like
this
that
it
may
take
between
the
city
attorney's
time
and
my
staff's
time
compared
with
everything
else.
A
We've
been
balancing
this
year
and
I
haven't
prioritized
that
Muni
code
change
because
of
the
costs
and
benefits
of
of
checking
the
six
or
eight
hours
it
would
take
to
process
it
away
from
everything
else
we
need
to
do.
That
is
no
excuse
councilmember
for
not
having
moved
it
forward
in
previous
years.
It
has
been
there
for
a
while
you're
correct
and
it
should
have
been
done
by
now,
but
that's
why?
The
past
six
to
eight
months,
we
haven't
focused
on
it,
but
I
do
need
to
follow
up
for
my
email
to
you
last
week.
M
M
It
obviously
is
frustrating
to
to
know
that
it
can't
get
done
and
what
really,
what
my
point
was
and
so
now
I
think
maybe
Kip
is
going
to
answer,
but
the
the
point
was
I
want
to
hear
from
staff
on
okay
we're
getting
asked
on
on
them.
In
my
mind,
a
much
more
significant
Municipal
Code
change
is
this.
M
You
know:
can
we
get
the
workload
assessment
that
we
would
traditionally
get
on
a
early
consideration
form
and
then
after
I
hear
that
if
it
is
possible,
then
yes,
I
may
be
more
frustrated
that
you
know
to
hear
that
this
could
be
done,
but
yet
I'm
still
waiting.
You
know
five
years
plus
on
on
a
pretty
insignificant.
You
know
change.
G
Yeah,
council
member
is
a
really
good
question:
Laurie
Mitchell,
director
of
community
energy.
You
know,
I
think
this
really
speaks
to
what
can
be
done
when
you
have
a
great
development
partner.
So
you
know,
as
you
know,
that
they
are
funding
this
work
now
they
fund
Jim
Caldwell
here
who
is
a
full-time
position
working
on
energy
resiliency,
and
so
this
is
work
that
we've
had
underway,
and
so
that's
why
we
feel
comfortable,
confident
that
we
can
bring
it
forward
and
know
in
December.
G
I
will
also
say
you
know
the
other
thing
that
we've
done
a
lot
of
preliminary
work,
and
you
know
this
is
a
a
pretty
common
business
throughout
California
and
throughout
the
United
States
that
cities
are
involved
in,
and
so
there
are
a
number
of
examples
of
Municipal
Code
from
other
cities
that
can
make
this
work
go.
You
know
faster
in
terms
of
you
know,
we're
we're,
definitely
not
starting
from
scratch
here.
F
And,
in
addition,
I
I
would
add
that
we
did
the
equivalent
of
the
early
consideration
form
and
I
feel
that
this
is
a
green
lit
for
the
reasons
that
Lori
put
forward.
We
have
that
it's
in
the
work
planet
and
it
the
timing,
is
actually
beneficial
to
the
developer
partner
and
within
our
capacity
to
do
with
existing
resources.
So
it
meets
our
criteria
for
the
green
light.
Also,
the
additional
motivation
for
allowing
it
to
proceed
if
you
should
direct
us
to
do
so,
is
that
this
is
on
the
city
roadmap.
F
This
is
part
of
our
our
energy
resilience
initiative
and
there
are
four
work
streams
in
that
initiative,
and
this
is
one
of
the
four
work
streams
within
that
roadmap.
From
our
perspective
and
we'll
be
we'll
be
bringing
more
detail
to
Transportation
environment
committee
on
that,
and
so
we
may
get
some
conversations
around
those
priorities,
but
from
the
administration
perspective,
we
see
this
as
a
top
priority
consistent
with
Direction
we've
had
from
you
in
the
past,
and
we
feel
we
have
the
sufficient
capacity
to
do
it.
F
M
M
You
know
Personnel
in
our
city
to
to
do
the
work,
and
so
maybe
Matt
I'm
gonna
have
to
poke
Google
and
see
if
they're
willing
to
help
fund
some
of
your
animal
services,
Animal
Care
and
services,
and
and
see
if
we
can't
finalize
that
other
meaning
code
change
before
the
end
of
the
year.
But
but
thank
you
for
for
that
and
I
I
can
support
the
the
motion.
Thanks.
C
Okay,
councilman
is
your
hand,
is
up.
Is
that
from
before?
Okay,
let's
just
see
make
sure
everybody
got
their
questions
answered,
we
will
have
I'm
sure
more
questions
when
this
come
back
comes
back,
I,
there's
no
question.
This
is
complex
and
we
expect
lots
more
questions.
So
this
is
certainly
not
the
end
of
this
conversation.
I
just
re-raised.
My.
K
I
know
I
know
it's
the
start
of
the
conversation.
It
seems
what
I
was
just
going
to
say
to
staff
is
just
obviously
you've
heard
a
lot
of
comments
here
today,
A
lot
of
maybe
gaps
and
knowledge,
things
of
that
nature,
so
I
would
say
when
we
come
back
in
December
or
so
I
think
it'd
be
good
to.
Maybe
if
you
can
supplement
some
of
what
you
provided
to
plug
in
some
of
the
holes
that
you
believe
exists
based
on
some
of
the
questions.
K
C
C
E
E
E
C
C
I
E
D
A
All
right
Beekman
here,
thanks
for
the
meeting
the
mayor
and
Civic
Innovation
departments,
have
made
important
new
commitments
to
data
collecting
and
racial
Equity.
This
past
June
and
is
shown
by
offering
public
meetings
and
city
council
agenda
items
on
the
current
state
of
surveillance
technology
project
projects
within
the
city.
It
is
from
this.
The
city
of
San
Jose
simply
needs
to
learn
how
to
be
more
factual
with
the
public
about
law
enforcement
and
Commercial
surveillance
technology
and
its
data.
The
future
of
good
technology
practices
relies
on
good
public
oversight
and
accountable
open
public
policies.
A
It
needs
honest
facts
from
government
to
work
towards
this
good
future
with
the
recent
abortion
issues
and
the
concerns
of
all
the
data
being
that
can
be
collected
from
new
street-like
technology.
Along
with
the
commercial
data
from
electronic
Billboards.
We
are
at
a
time
in
California
to
again
address
and
work
towards
better,
better
civil
protections
with
data
collection
for
everyday
community
that
could
be
easy
to
understand
and
to
follow.
Berkeley
has
recently
taken
some
very
interesting
steps
in
this
area
and
invite
you
to
look
into
despite
good
Sanctuary
city
laws.
A
We
do
have
here
in
San
Jose.
We
should
be
able
to
time
the
mayor
and
Civic
Innovation
Department
learned
to
make
more
honest,
straightforward
and
clear
how
this
data
is
being
bundled
and
then
sold
to
different
commercial
and
law
enforcement
entities.
These
entities
may
include
ice.
Governments
should
learn
to
trust
what
the
everyday
public
can
do
with
knowledge.
It
can
help
end
cynicism,
fear,
apathy
and
work
towards
a
more
sustainable
future.