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From YouTube: APR 26, 2023 | Planning Commission
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City of San José, California
Planning Commission meeting, April 26, 2023.
This public meeting will be held at San José City Hall and also accessible via Zoom Webinar. For information on public participation via Zoom, please refer to the linked meeting agenda below.
Agenda: https://sanjose.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=A&ID=1099386&GUID=9661978D-4C0F-40CC-A788-D82A8E208333
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Good
evening
my
name
is
Perry
Louise,
oliveiro
and
I'm.
The
chair
of
the
chair,
welcome
to
the
Planning
Commission
meeting.
The
parking
validation
machine
is
located
at
the
top
of
the
stairs
insert
the
ticket.
When
the
light
is
green.
Following
roll
call,
we
will
review
how
the
public
May
provide
comment,
but
first
we
will
turn
and
stand
and
salute
the
flag
and
say
it
in
unison,
since
sometimes
everyone
doesn't
get
all
the
words
straight.
All
right,
I
pledge
allegiance
to
the
flag
of
the
United
States
of
America
and
to
the
Republic
for
which
it
stands.
B
One
nation
under
God
indivisible
with
liberty
and
justice
for
all.
Thank
you,
Commissioners,
we'll
now
go
on
to
the
Raul
call.
Commissioner
lardinois
here,
commissioner
barrosio
here,
commissioner
Cantrell
here,
commissioner
Casey
here,
commissioner
Garcia
here,
commissioner
ornelis
wise
here,
commissioner
Rosario
here,
commissioner
young,
is
we'll
get
to
that,
and
commissioner
tordillos
here
and
I
think
at
this
point
in
time.
B
B
B
B
B
You,
okay
summer,
here
procedures.
If
you
would
want
to
address
the
commission,
please
fill
out
a
speaker
card
located
on
the
tables
on
the
first
floor
and
the
top
floor
and
deposit
completed
cards
in
the
basket.
The
procedure
for
this
hearing
is
as
follows:
after
staff's
presentation,
application
applicants
or
appellants
have
five
minutes
during
public
comment.
The
chair
will
call
out
names
on
the
submitted
speaker
cards,
as
your
name
is
called.
Please
line
up
on
the
stairs
for
those
who
attend
the
web
meeting.
B
The
meeting
technician
will
connect
connect
those
persons
who
desire
to
speak
to
the
commission,
so
they
may
be
heard
generally.
Each
speaker
will
be
given
up
to
two
minutes
and
speakers
using
a
translator
will
have
double
the
time
at
the
discretion
of
the
chair.
The
time
allotted
to
each
speaker
may
be
changed
Depending
on
time,
management
of
the
meeting
after
public
testimony
the
applicant
and
repellent
may
make
closing
remarks
or
up
to
an
additional
five
minutes.
Planning
Commissioners
may
ask
questions
to
the
speakers.
B
The
public
hearing
will
then
be
closed
and
the
Planning
Commission
will
then
discuss
and
vote.
If
you
challenge
these
land
use
decisions
in
court,
you
may
be
limited
to
raising
only
those
issues
you
or
someone
else
raised
at
this
public
hearing
or
in
written
correspondence
delivered
to
the
city
at
or
prior
to
the
hearing.
The
planning
commission's
actions
on
rezonings
pre-zonings
General
plan
amendments
and
code
amendments
is
advisory
to
the
city
council.
The
city
council
will
hold
public
hearings
on
these
items.
B
Section
20.120.400
of
the
municipal
code
provides
the
procedures
for
legal
protests
to
the
city
council
on
rezonings
and
pre-zonings.
The
planning
commission's
actions
on
conditional
use
permits
is
appealable
to
the
city
council,
in
accordance
with
section
20.100.220
of
the
municipal
code
agendas
and
all
staff
reports
for
this
meeting
may
be
accessed
on
the
city
website.
So
now
we'll
call
to
order
and
Orders
of
the
day
and
before
we
begin.
Oh,
let
me
go
on
to
the
attorney.
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B
D
B
Now
is
time
for
public
comment,
comment
on
items
that
are
not
on
the
agenda
but
pertain
the
municipal
government
non-agendized
items.
You
know
we
can't
speak
about
those
can't
take
any
formal
action,
but
we
could
always
suggest
it
and
bring
it
back
staff.
Do
we
have
any
I?
Don't
have
any
cards?
Do
we
have
anyone
on
the
online
meeting
that
wants
to
speak
during
public
comment?
Yes,.
I
I
We
can
hear
you
Paul,
thank
you,
Paul
Soto
from
the
Horseshoe.
What
what
happened
last
week.
I
was
extremely
offended
by
that
what
I
had
asked
of
the
council
is
simply
I
would
like
to
make
my
comments
after
the
presentation
rather
than
before.
This
is
an
agendized
item
when
I
was
refused
I
asked
again,
because
I
would
like
to
make
an
informed
position
about
the
topic
after
I
I
reiterated
my
request
when
I
reiterated
my
request,
the
chair
said
no
and
then
cut
me
off
now.
I
You
exercise
powers
that
you
don't
have
I
wasn't
out
of
line.
I
wasn't
out
of
water.
I,
simply
reiterated
my
previous
request.
You,
your
job,
was
to
deny
that
request.
Once
you
denied
that
second
request,
I
had
my
public
comment
time
to
speak
and
to
address
the
issues
that,
in
the
decisions
that
you
make
and
I
don't
need
a
lecture.
I
don't
need
an
editorial
after
I'm
finished
talking
either,
because
you
have
a
habit
of
doing
that.
You
have
a
habit
of
editorializing
everybody's
comments
on
you
and
I'm
sick
and
tired
of
it.
I
I
want
to
hear
your
mouth.
What
I
want
to
hear
is
exactly
what
I'm
entitled
to,
and
that
is
information
regarding
what
the
policy
is
that
are
passed
in
this
city
and
I
simply
as
a
citizen
as
a
consistent
citizen
that
comes
to
these
meetings
on
a
regular
basis,
reads
your
memos
I!
Listen
to
you
all
night
long,
all
night
long!
I
B
Thank
you
for
the
comment,
Paul
and
to
be
clear.
These
staff
did
make
the
presentation
and
there
was
provided
opportunity
to
speak
at
that
time
and
then
there's
no
one
decided
to
speak.
So
we
moved
on
to
the
rest
of
the
discussion
and
the
rest
of
the
meeting.
So
there
will
always
be
time
when
we
request
for
public
comment
after
staff
presentation
and
that's
consistent,
so
moving
on.
We
are
now
on
to
the
consent
calendar,
which
contains
three
items.
J
Thank
you,
I'm
Mary,
Helen,
Doherty
resident
of
District,
three
and
I'm
here
in
opposition
to
the
upgrade
of
the
liquor
license
at
the
Grocery
Outlet
on
Santa,
Clara,
Street,
and
primarily
on
the
grounds
that
I
don't
believe
it
supports
the
health
and
well-being
of
the
neighboring
communities
and
as
a
member
of
the
Planning
Commission
I
believe
that
you
are
all
committed
to
supporting
the
built
environment
that
contributes
to
the
success
and
well-being
of
San
Jose
I.
Believe
that's.
J
Why
you
serve
here
and
I
understand
the
planning
department
staff
is
required
to
develop
their
recommendations
based
on
the
standards
prescribed
by
the
California
Department
of
alcohol
beverages,
the
ABC,
and
they
have
done
a
very
thorough
job
of
preparing
that
analysis
for
your
review.
However,
I
believe
neighbors
are
impacted
by
the
related
risk
factors
in
their
community
that
go
beyond
the
standards
set
by
the
ABC
from
a
public
health
perspective
cell
of
alcohol
in
neighboring,
restaurants
and
bars.
J
Not
just
offsell
liquor
license
or
locations
I
should
say
are
also
taken
into
consideration
when
assessing
the
risk
of
upgrading
or
increasing
availability
to
alcohol.
A
number
of
small
family-run
Corner
markets
exist
that
sell
hard
liquor
not
far
from
Grocery
Outlet,
but
are
outside
the
1000
foot
radius
defined
by
the
ABC.
J
Not
only
should
police
activity
at
the
specific
store
that
is
being
evaluated
be
considered,
I
believe
pedestrian
safety,
traffic
violations,
public
inebriated
issues,
underage
drinking
and
other
community
well-being.
Factors
that
can
require
police
intervention
should
also
be
assessed.
I
believe
liquor.
License.
Renewal
review
may
be
the
only
alcohol
related
item
in
the
2020
General
plan.
Other
alcohol-related
Community
Development
factors
need
to
be
considered
for
addition
to
Future
amendments
to
the
general
plan.
J
B
H
I
Thank
you
possible
from
the
Horseshoe
as
a
recovering
alcoholic
I
know
exactly
where
the
liquor
stores
are
that's
just
like
mandatory
and
the
only
liquor
store
that
that
sells.
This
type
of
liquor
is
in
proximity
to
this
store
is
Paul,
that's
on
Third
and
that's
on
Third
and
San
Salvador
between
I
mean
it's
unsung.
Several
are
between
34th,
that's
the
closest
everything
else
is
a
distance
now
you
have
been
taking,
and
the
fact
that
this
is
on
consent
is
another
abuse
of
your
power.
I
That's
an
abuse
of
power
because
you're
not
allowing
any
kind
of
discussion
you're,
not
allowing
any
to
just
consent.
We're
just
going
to
pass
this
through
really
where's.
The
crime
report
I
want
to
know
the
crime
reports
for
downtown.
Why
are
they
not
in
this?
Why
are
they
not
in
your
memo?
Okay,
that's
number
one
number
two
has
the
police
department
been
assessed.
I
Has
Grocery
Outlet
understood
that
they're
going
to
be
inviting
theft
on
a
mass
scale?
Believe
me,
as
as
the
as
the
downtown
proliferation
of
homelessness
increases,
which
I
know
most
of
you
don't
spend
time.
Downtown
I've
lived,
downtown,
I've
lived
in
some
of
those
norways
downtown
recently,
not
not
in
not
in
the
far
distance
past
but
recently,
and
so
I
know
what
time
it
is
downtown
and
I
don't
I
know
what
goes
on
here.
I
I
hear
the
conversations
and
I
walk
around
and
and
I
can
feel
what's
going
on
downtown
and
you
were
going
to
open
up
a
liquor
cabinet
in
downtown
you're,
inviting
theft,
you're
inviting
domestic
violence
you're
in
dividing
disorderlyconic
and
possibly
blatant
violence
and
attacks
to
the
to
the
city
councils
to
the
Commissioners
to
the
city
employees,
because
it's
right
there
and
we
already
know
that
alcohol
leads
to
domestic
violence.
It
leads
to
theft.
H
H
They
have
have
weight
on
this
application
worked
for
the
last
year
and
a
half
and
to
get
us
to
this
point
today
with
a
lot
of
hard
work
and
a
lot
of
preparation
to
this
point.
So
I
will
not
take
more
than
that.
We
are
here
to
answer
any
questions
that
the
Commissioners
may
have
regarding
to
any
possible
concerns
from
the
citizens
of
this
board.
Thank
you.
B
K
L
K
K
So,
of
course,
my
concern
is
safety
I've
gone
to
the
grocery
outlet
right
next
door
and
I
didn't
even
know
if
I
should
get
out
of
my
car.
You
know,
I
mean
I
kind
of
didn't
feel
as
safe
as
I
think
I
should
have
so,
of
course,
I
have
some
concerns
with
the
fact
that
well
anytime,
we
take
into
consideration
a
liquor
license.
We
should
take
it
lightly
right.
K
I
did
see
in
the
staff
report
on
page
four
that
there
was
some
conditions
that
we're
going
to
address:
site
security,
employment,
training,
trash
litter,
graffiti
site,
maintenance,
lootering
and
panhandling.
I
didn't
know
exactly
what
those
read.
Basically,
how
are
they
gonna
improve
through
this
application?
How
are
they
going
to
improve
the
site.
L
Sure
and
I
mean
I
would
maybe
defer
to
the
applicant
too,
but
you
know
they
provide
us
with
an
operations
plan
that
specifically
addresses
those
issues.
I
mean
things
like
you
know:
sweeping
maintenance,
security,
training
staff.
Those
are
all
things
that
we
include
just
as
standard
conditions
in
any
obstacle
alcohol
permit.
But
maybe,
if
you
want
specifics
for
how
they
actually
run
the
store
today,
because
they
do
sell
alcohol
today,
I
would
defer
to
the
to
the
applicant
yeah.
K
L
K
L
K
That
would
be
nice
to
have
a
security
impact,
it's
open
to
it,
yeah,
yeah
and
guess
what
I
want
to
know.
You
know,
as
staff,
you
know
looking
at
what
was
approved
previously
and
what
is
approved
today.
If,
by
approving
this,
are
we
improving
the
site,
because
this
application
requires
additional
conditions
that
are
going
to
improve
the
site
that,
by
adding
additional
conditions
that
weren't
there.
L
Yeah
I
I
would
say
I
would
say
it
would
yes
in
terms
of
the
conditions
that
we
can
hold
them
to
now
with
code
enforcement.
Absolutely
the
only
thing
with
this
project
is:
there's
no
physical
changes
to
the
site,
so
that's
I
say
that's
a
little
trickier,
actually
yeah
there's
there
are
no
physical
changes
to
this
site.
It's
just
for
the
alcohol
permit.
If
they
were
coming
in
to
you
know,
upgrade
the
facade
or
upgrade
things
like
that.
L
K
K
G
D
K
B
Okay,
so
then
we'll
pull
that
item
to
a
public
hearing
to
have
a
further
discussion
and
allow
staff
to
present.
So
everyone
has
the
understanding,
Baseline,
understanding
and
applicant
standard
and
then
I
guess
on
the
other
item.
Maybe
commissioner
Cantrell
did
you
want
to
pull
that
one
as
well?
Okay?
Well
then,
let's
just
get
a
motion
on
the
minutes,
so
moved
second
from
someone.
Second,.
N
O
B
B
L
All
right
just
have
a
few
slides
for
you
all,
so
just
so,
we
all
have
our
bearings
and
for
the
members
of
the
public
on
Zoom
as
well.
We're
talking
about
the
grocery
outlet
actually
right
down
the
street
from
here.
It's
at
7th
and
Santa
Clara,
so
this
conditional
use
permit
is
for
a
change
in
the
California
ABC
license
type
from
a
type
20
license
to
a
type
21
license.
So
currently
it
operates
with
the
type
20
which
is
beer
and
wine.
L
So
approximately
3.2
percent
of
the
sales
floor
would
be
dedicated
to
alcohol
display
I
included
a
floor
plan
in
the
staff
report.
If
you're
interested
and
the
hours
of
operation
would
be
7
A.M
to
10
p.m,
seven
days
a
week
as
they
are
currently
so
in
terms
of
project
review,
we
look
to
California
ABC.
We
look
to
the
San
Jose
police
department.
L
We
look
to
the
general
plan
and
the
zoning
code
we're
looking
at
new
proposals
for
off
sale,
alcohol
and
even
though
this
is
an
existing
off
sale
establishment,
we
look
at
it
as
a
brand
new
off-sale
alcohol
establishment,
anytime.
We
have
a
new
conditional
use
pyramid,
so
in
terms
of
ABC,
this
site
is
not
considered
over
concentrated.
If
you
look
on
this
map
here,
they've
include
Safeway
that
license
no
longer
exists,
although
ABC
still
keeps
it
in
their
records.
L
So
over
concentration
for
the
California
Department
of
Alcoholic
Beverage
Control
is
essentially,
the
ratio
of
licenses
in
the
census
tract
to
population
is
greater
than
the
ratio
of
licenses
to
population
in
the
county
as
a
whole.
So
in
this
case,
ABC
has
determined
that
the
site
is
not
over
concentrated
for
off
sale,
alcohol
and
maybe
just
to
clarify.
When
we're
talking
about
offset
alcohol,
we
only
mean
purchasing
alcohol
and
then
taking
it
off
the
premises
to
be
consumed
off
the
premises.
L
So
the
San
Jose
police
department
also
reviewed
this
proposal.
They
reviewed
the
operations
plan,
the
proposal
generally,
they
will
meet
with
the
applicant
as
well
and
per
the
San
Jose
police
department.
This
site
is
not
in
an
area
of
high
crime
and
it
was
neutral
to
The
Proposal
additionally,
as
Mary
Helen
actually
mentioned.
So
the
site
is
not
within
a
thousand
feet
of
another
off
sale,
alcohol
establishment.
You
can
see
on
the
map
there.
It
is
within
150
feet
of
a
residence
and
500
feet
of
a
school.
L
So
that's
one
of
the
criteria
for
off
sale,
alcohol
in
the
municipal
code,
so
it's
within
obviously
150
feet
of
Horace
Mann
Elementary,
as
well
as
San
Jose
State
down
to
the
South,
and
there
is
a
daycare
up
north
on
8th
Street.
That's
within
500
feet
of
the
site,
so
Additionally
the
project
is
conditioned
to
implement
a
Security
Management
plan
and,
as
commissioner
was
or
Nellis
was
noted,
that
was
actually
carry
over
from
their
original
conditional
use
permit
and
then
they
have
additional
conditions.
They
have
to
meet
that.
L
We
will
discuss
as
we
go
forward
so
with
that
staff
recommends
that
the
Planning
Commission
considered
the
exemption
in
accordance
with
sequa
and
that's
for
existing
facilities
and
adopt
a
resolution
proving
subject
to
conditions.
A
conditional
use
permit
to
allow
the
off
sale
of
alcohol
with
a
type
21
license
and
with
that
I
will
leave
it
for
any
questions.
B
G
G
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
the
previous
approval
did
allow
the
area
for
display
of
alcohol
to
be
up
to
five
percent.
Grocery
Outlet
only
dedicates
about
3.19
of
their
floor
area
as
compared
to
the
the
overall
sales
area,
so
we're
well
below
what
what
was
allowed
for
that
I
I
do
want
to
address
a
couple
of
things
about
security
and
our
overall
operations.
G
Every
each
and
every
Grocery
Outlet
Store
is
managed
by
a
an
operator
who
is
more
than
just
a
a
manager.
They
actually
participate
in
the
profits
of
the
store,
so
they're
kind
of
a
partner.
If
you
would,
this
model
has
worked
very
very
successfully
with
Grocery
Outlet
in
terms
of
being
able
to
get
dedicated
people
that
really
give
their
Blood
Sweat
and
Tears
to
to
the
business.
Those
managers
are
very,
very
proactive
when
it
comes
to
interaction
with
customers,
as
well
as
monitoring
the
activities
of
the
store
in
this
particular
store.
G
The
display
area
that
is
currently
dedicated
to
our
alcohol
is
not
going
to
be
increased
by
the
addition
of
distilled
Spirits.
Literally,
what's
going
to
happen
is
we
are
just
going
to
replace
a
shelf
that
currently
carries
wine
and
we
would
be
displaying
display
distilled
Spirits,
so
there's
not
going
to
be
an
increase.
G
G
G
You
know,
provide
an
extra
inventory
item
to
those
customers.
So
with
that,
thank
you
very
much
for
your
consideration.
We
do
concur
with
the
staff's
recommendation
and
for
the
record.
We
do
agree
to
all
of
the
conditions
of
approval
that
are
presented
to
you
this
evening,
myself,
as
well
as
the
our
other
team
members,
are
available
for
any
questions
that
any
of
you
may
have.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
O
Perfect.
Thank
you
good
evening.
Everyone
yeah,
my
initial
question
was
was
based
on
having
it
be
for
further
discussion.
So
I
appreciate
City
attorney
for
giving
us
that
that
opportunity
in
that
direction.
I
do
have
two
technical
questions:
Miss,
perhaps
Dr
like
Manford
you
can.
You
can
share
some
ideas
on
this.
I
did
appreciate
the
owner,
sharing
some
stats
from
from
the
police
report
and
I
wonder
in
presentations
like
tonight.
P
L
L
O
O
No
perfect,
thank
you
and
just
to
clarify
my
question.
Yes,
I
did
see
it
myself,
but
Let
me
clarify
the
question
for
anyone
tuning
in
or
anyone
just
dropping
in
that
hurt
hey.
You
know,
you
know
perhaps
there's
a
neighborhood
association.
You
know
that
word
just
got
to
them.
Hey
like
tune
in
speak
up,
like
you
know,
say
something
Pro
against
either
through
Zoom
or
in
here
in
person,
and
they
would
not
necessarily
have
gotten
the
materials
that
we
have
access
to
and
then
we
have
delivered
to
our
inbox.
O
O
It
would
be
nice
to
see
those
details
in
the
presentation
at
the
meeting
and
yes,
I,
do
understand
and
again
I've
read
to
myself
that
we
we
have
access
and
there's
a
way
to
get
access
from
the
public.
But
it's
nice
to
you
know
just
maybe
an
extra
slide.
Just
you
know
to
highlight
some
of
those
things,
commissioner,.
O
P
Guess,
yes,
your
comments,
or
your
suggestion
is
well
noted,
looking
to
including
that
information
us
and
when
needed
or
when
necessary.
But
I
also
wanted
to
note
that,
throughout
the
planning
review
process,
the
project
manager
has
been
available
to
the
public.
The
lady
who
spoke
has
actually
been
intact
touch
constantly
with
the
project
manager,
who
has
explained
most
of
the
processes,
and
anyone
else
also
would
have
had
a
contact
information
of
the
project
manager
who
has
been
available
throughout
the
process
until
today.
O
Oh
perfect,
thank
you
and
just
a
follow-up
question.
I
know
that
San
Jose
PD
offered
offered
their
research,
and
this
is
just
for
me
to
just
have
a
better
understanding
of
of
who,
in
the
city,
does
research
in
terms
of
crime,
stats
and
stuff,
like
that,
is
it
only
San,
Jose
PD,
or
is
there
some
division,
some
Department
an
employee
that
possibly
could
be
summoned
to
offer
research
for
just
for
us
to
have
more
numbers,
yeah.
L
Sure
so
it's
the
San
Jose
PD
Vice
unit,
specifically
that
does
that
we
work
with
for
any.
So
we
work
with
them
just
in
Broad
Strokes.
We
work
with
them
for
any
bar
applications.
So
if
it's
just
a
bar,
only
not
a
restaurant
serving
alcohol,
but
a
bar
only
and
any
late
night
use,
so
any
establishment
that
operates
between
12
midnight
and
6
a.m
and
then
off
sale,
alcohol.
Those
are
the
times
when
we
consult
the
vice
unit.
L
We've
had
them
come
to
city
council
for
especially
controversial
off
sale
items,
I'm
trying
to
think
I
haven't
had
a
bar
item
in
a
while.
Generally,
they
don't
come
to
come
to
the
commission
or
city
council
unless
it's
extra
controversial
and
frankly,
if
they're
neutral,
they
usually
don't
have
much
to
say
they'll
if
they're
they're,
if
they're
opposed,
they
may
actually
show
up
to
voice
their
opposition,
because
staff
can
sometimes
go
against
their
recommendation.
O
Perfect,
thank
you
and
I
think
just
knowing
how
high
the
ceiling
is
with
some
of
this
research,
and
you
know
who
we
can
tap
and
who
who
who
can
offer,
offer
their
expert
opinion
expert.
You
know
stats
I.
Think
again,
would
you
know
help
us
help
members
of
the
public
just
kind
of
see
the
bigger
picture
so
I
do
appreciate
this.
This
Clarity
that
you're
providing
thank
you
one.
L
Other
point
too,
I
think
that's
important.
Just
for
any
of
these
applications
moving
forward
is
understand
that
the
police
beat
is
actually
different
from
the
Census
tract
area.
So
that's
an
important
note
where
the
San
Jose
police,
speed
is
could
be
a
completely
different
designation
from
the
actual
census
tract
itself
so
good
to
understand.
Q
Thank
you.
I
wanted
to
start
by
just
disclosing
that
I
also
received
a
text
message
from
the
project
applicant
just
asking
if
I
needed
any
additional
information
about
the
project
to
which
I
politely
declined.
You
know
my
main
comment
here
is
that
as
a
resident
of
downtown
I'm
sensitive
to
the
concerns
that
have
been
raised
about
crime,
the
impact
on
the
surrounding
neighborhoods,
but
one
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
draw
attention
to
that
is
kind
of
Weighing.
On
my
decision.
Q
Here
is
just
the
fact
that
downtown
has
lost
a
number
of
grocery
stores
in
recent
years.
So,
to
the
extent
that
you
know
this,
expanded
and
upgraded
liquor
license,
helps
Grocery
Outlet
to
remain
competitive,
and
you
know
increases
the
likelihood
that
they're
able
to
continue
serving
downtown
neighborhoods
I'm
in
support
of
that.
R
Sure
and
I
just
had
a
question
for
staff.
I
was
just
hoping
to
confirm
that,
let's
see
on
December
7th
of
last
year,
we
had
another
Grocery
Outlet
on
the
corner
of
Snell
and
Blossom
Hill
that
was
applying
to
switch
from
type
20
to
type
21,
and
in
that
situation,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
there
was
an
over
concentrated
amount
of
crime
and
the
police
actually
gave
a
negative
report,
and
there
was
also
an
over
concentration
of
number
of
off-site
sale
licenses
within
that
census.
L
Unfortunately,
he's
no
longer
with
us,
or
else
I
wouldn't
text
him,
he
left
the
city,
I
guess
I
would
say.
Just
on
a
general
note,
the
the
one
mentioned
that
the
general
plan
makes
of
alcohol
currently
is
to
give
preference
to
offsell
alcohol
for
groceries,
so
anything
that
provides
fresh
fruits
and
vegetables.
We
provide
we
give
preference
to
them
over.
Just
your
standard
liquor
store,
so
I,
don't
know
the
difference
between
that
project
specifically,
and
this
one
there
could
be
some
operational
differences,
I'm,
not
sure,
but
I
would
say.
F
M
F
L
M
Yeah
first
off
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
members
of
the
public
who
have
expressed
their
opinions
about
this.
This
is
you
know
it's.
Why
we're
here
to
hear
input
from
the
community
on
these
kinds
of
things,
because
it
does.
We
should
be
intentional
about
what
decisions
we're
making
for
how
we
run
the
city
I
also
want
to
Echo
some
of
the
things
of
you
know
heard
from
my
fellow
Commissioners.
M
M
You
know
I,
particularly
I,
think
in
the
time
I've
been
on
the
commission
I,
don't
think
we've
done
either
of
those
things
attached,
additional
conditions
to
or
denied
an
alcohol
license
application,
and
then
also
commissioner
tortillos
I
was
going
to
say
the
exact
same
thing.
It's
concerning
that
there
are
very
few
places
to
buy
groceries
downtown
and,
to
the
extent
that
this
you
know,
is
a
opportunity
for
gross
reality
to
continue
to
be
a
viable
business.
N
N
B
I'm
going
to
be
supporting
the
motion,
I
think
supporting
grocery
stores
is
fundamental
to
the
city
and
not
having
grocery
stores
is
absolutely
terrible
and
yet
food
deserts.
That
means
they
have
to
sell
alcohol
to
stay
in
business
because
of
the
higher
margin,
that's
what
it
is,
and
it's
also
such
a
minuscule
portion
of
their
footprint
and
sales
Etc.
So
any
other
further
comments,
we'll
just
take
a
vote.
B
B
O
B
B
G
Hi,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
hi
a
dedicated
security
guard.
We
already
have
several
employees
that
are
on
site
that
are,
you
know,
directed
to.
You
know,
monitor
the
activity,
and
you
know
we
would
find
having
a
a
condition
that
mandated
a
particular
security
guard.
You
know
somewhat
unnecessary
and
unwarranted.
B
R
Yeah,
that's
right.
I,
I
I
would
just
be
curious
to
any
Commissioners
who
are
voting
differently
than
they
voted
on
the
one
on
Snell
and
Blossom
Hill
as
to
why,
when
that
one
had
a
negative
letter
from
the
police
and
was
already
over
concentrated,
why
this
one,
you
would
recommend
we
would
vote
no,
rather
than
as
you
voted
with
the
one
on
snow
in
Blossom
Hill.
That's
all
got
it.
K
Would
just
like
to
respond.
My
concern
is
the
school,
the
proximity
to
the
school-
that's
important
to
me.
You
know,
as
as
also
as
a
female
they're
students.
I
would
like
to
see
a
part-time
security
guard
there
as
soon
as
it
gets
dark
for
safety
for
female
students
from
San,
Jose,
States
or
the
community
that
you
know
go
and
go
to
the
grocery
outlet
after
dark.
That's
what
I
would
like
that's
important
to
me.
B
Okay,
any
other
comments
from
the
commission
on
the
topic
we'll
resume
the
roll
call
vote,
starting
at
the
beginning,
commissioner
lardinois,
oh
and
commission
does
commissioner
young
vote
at
the
beginning
or
the
end
either
way.
Let's
just
go
for
it,
commissioner.
Add
your
vote
Yes
or
No
Yes,
commissioner
barrosio.
F
F
L
L
So
this
project
is
three
actions,
so
it's
a
plan,
development,
zoning
and
that
would
rezone
this
existing
site
at
the
corner
of
Ringwood
and
trade
zone,
from
an
IP
zoning
District
to
a
Tec
plan
development,
zoning
District,
so
the
base
zoning
District
would
be
the
Transit
employment
center
zoning
District
and
then
second,
we
have
a
plan
development
permit.
That
would
allow
the
demolition
of
the
two
buildings
you
see
on
your
screen
there.
L
The
project
was
also
reviewed
for
consistency
with
a
municipal
code
for
creation
of
a
plan,
development,
zoning
district
and
then
adhered
to
that
created
plan
development,
zoning
District,
which
would
follow
the
standards
of
the
Tec
zoning
District,
as
well
as
the
city-wide
design
standards
and
guidelines
and
city
council
policy
6-30
for
public
Outreach.
We
did
hold
the
community
meeting
for
this
project
on
February
23rd
and
the
last
piece
of
the
puzzle
is
sequa.
California,
Environmental,
Quality
act,
and
here
this
is
a
little
bit
different
than
what
you're
used
to
so.
L
The
California
energy
commission
was
actually
the
lead
Agency
for
this
project
and
they
prepared
and
certified
the
stack
trade
zone.
Park
project
final
environmental
impact
report
on
April
12
2023,
so
earlier
this
month
and
the
final
eir
identified
potential
impacts
to
air
quality,
biological
resources,
cultural
and
tribal
resources,
geology
and
soils,
greenhouse
gas
emissions
hazards
and
hazardous
materials,
noise
and
transportation,
and
these
impacts
would
be
reduced
to
less
than
significant
levels.
L
The
mitigation
measures
are
included
in
the
mitigation
monitoring
and
Reporting
program
mmrp
for
short,
which
the
city
must
adopt
as
a
responsible
Agency
for
the
project.
So
again,
the
city
is
a
responsible
agency,
in
this
case
under
SQL,
and
we
do
have
sqa
staff
here
in
case.
We
have
any
questions
about
that
process.
L
So
with
that
staff
recommends
that
the
Planning
Commission
recommend
to
the
city
council
that
they
adopt
the
resolution
certifying
the
eir,
adopt
an
ordinance
rezoning
in
approximately
9.78
gross
Acre
Site,
adopt
a
resolution
approving
a
vesting
tentative
map
and
adopt
a
resolution
approving
a
plan.
Development
pyramid
and
I
want
to
defer
to
the
attorney
real,
quick
to
explain
the
SQL
process.
D
Yeah,
thank
you
Mr
Atienza.
So
since
the
California
energy
commission
is,
it
has
certified
the
eir
as
a
responsible
agency
we're
making
findings
pursuant
to
SQL
and
adopting
an
mmrp.
So
basically
that
first
recommendation
adopt
a
resolution
certifying
the
stack
trade
zone.
Park
environmental
impact
report
should
read,
adopt
a
resolution
making
certain
findings
regarding
the
stack
trade
zone
part.
So
when
we're
taking
action
just
to
make
sure
that
that
is
reflected
in
the
action.
O
E
And
great
to
be
here
tonight
in
person
as
well.
Thank
you
so
much
for
having
us
and
pleasure
to
be
presenting
here
in
front
of
you
all
good
evening,
chair
good
evening,
council
members.
My
name
is
thank
you
so
much.
My
name
is
Miles
Kirsten
director
of
development
at
stack
infrastructure,
I'm,
proud
to
present
our
project
here
at
2400,
Greenwood
Avenue
in
1849,
Fortune
Drive,
a
world-class
project
that
will
serve
our
Fortune
500
clients
and
generate
hundreds
of
manufacturing
jobs
in
the
international
business
park
in
North,
San
Jose,
City's,
Premier
employment
center.
E
Stack
infrastructure
is
one
of
the
largest
data
center
operators
in
the
world.
We
develop
and
operate
world-class
facilities
in
major
U.S
markets
like
Northern
Virginia
and
Dallas
Fort,
Worth,
Portland,
Phoenix,
Santa,
Clara
and
San
Jose,
as
well
as
internationally
and
emea
and
Asia
Pacific
Atlanta
countries
in
North,
San
Jose,
one
of
the
most
important
technology
markets
in
the
world
stack
developed
and
owns
two
projects
that
we
have
named
svy01a
and
svy01b.
These
projects
total
about
380
000
square
feet.
These
assets
are
also
powered
by
100
renewable
energy
with
lead
gold
certifications.
E
As
our
CEO
Brian
Cox
said
about
this
project,
we
consider
our
ability
to
deliver
cost-efficient,
renewable
energy,
to
be
extremely
important
in
this
market,
where
our
clients
are
seeking
strategic
proximity.
We
are
confident
that
our
newest
development
will
help
our
clients
fulfill
critical
business
requirements
in
a
world-class
facility.
E
As
we
look
at
the
benefits
of
the
project,
there
are
many
but
to
focus
on
a
few.
We
estimate
the
creation
of
198
permanent
jobs
128
at
the
advanced
manufacturing
building
and
20.
Excuse
me,
70
at
the
data
centers,
our
general
contractor
holder
is
a
signatory
to
the
Union's
and
will
generate
over
700
new
Union
construction
jobs
during
the
execution
of
the
project.
E
Our
project
conforms
and
is
consistent
with
City's
land
use
policies,
including
General
plan
2040,
zoning
ordinances,
Green,
Building
ordinance
and
City
Economic
Development
goals,
including
generation
of
new
manufacturing
jobs
and
generation
of
new
general
fund
revenues.
Off-Site
improvements
and
TDM
measures
include
pedestrian,
Network
improvements,
traffic,
calming
measures,
telecommuting
and
Alternate
work
schedules.
E
The
California
energy
commission
has
certified
the
project
environmental
impact
report
on
April,
12th
and
found
the
project
does
not
result
in
any
significant
impacts.
Stack
is
a
global
leader
in
sustainability
measures
and
implementation.
The
project
will
use
100
renewable
energy
source
from
PG,
E's,
hydroelectric,
solar
and
other
renewable
energy
sources.
Our
modern
facilities
will
effectively
use
no
water
for
cooling.
We
will
utilize
air
cooled
chillers.
E
Our
project
is
located
at
the
intersection
of
trade
zone
Boulevard
to
the
north,
Ringwood
Avenue
to
the
east
or
Northeast.
As
shown
in
this
image
between
excuse
me,
Fortune
Drive
borders,
the
property
to
the
South
on
the
right.
We
can
see
a
project
site
plan
at
the
top
of
trade
zone.
We
have
the
advanced
manufacturing,
building
shaded
in
green
moving
left
to
right
below
that
in
Orange
we
have
data
center
svy05
to
the
right.
E
E
Looking
at
the
advanced
manufacturing
building
from
the
corner
of
trade
zone
in
Ringwood,
we
are
proud
to
consider
this
modern
design
and
efficient
engineering.
The
future
of
the
north
San
Jose
Market,
the
first
of
its
kind
and
multi-story
Class
A
Advanced
manufacturing
building
in
the
sub
Market.
This
will
increase
the
number
of
jobs
due
to
the
efficient
multi-story
nature
of
the
project
and
support
City
San
Jose's
goals
to
prioritize
creation
of
manufacturing
jobs.
E
Traditional
Advanced
manufacturing
space
is
historically
single
story
and
by
constructing
a
four-story,
advanced
manufacturing
project,
the
building
will
see
a
significant
increase
in
employees
on
site
daily
compared
to
a
traditional
single
story.
Advanced
manufacturing,
space,
San,
Jose's,
Advanced
manufacturing
talent
pool,
is
24
times
greater
than
the
than
the
national
average.
E
E
Be
great,
thank
you
so
much
expected
to
commence
Construction
in
August
of
this
year.
Each
major
component
is
sequenced
out
to
maximize
efficiencies
and
safeties.
We
currently
project
that
we
will
have
a
fully
complete
and
ready
for
full
operation
in
June
of
2026.
and
thank
you.
Everyone,
Cohen
Burton,
Klein,
Alex,
Tina
other
staff
and
all
of
you,
of
course,
and
everyone
that
has
been
able
to
join
us
and
participate
online.
Okay.
B
I
Interesting
I
would
like
some
questions
answered.
Does
this
number
one?
You
have
300
Vehicles
slated
to
go
here:
300,
okay
and
we're
always
talking
about
parking
parking
parking.
We
need
to.
You
know
we
need
to
get
people
get
out
of
their
cars.
I
want
that
reduced
to
150,
so
that
it's
consistent
I
know
you.
Somebody
mentioned
about
consistency.
I
Well,
here's
here's
where
you
can
start
practicing
that
man,
because
you
guys
are
cutting
out
all
these
cars
during
in
the
city
in
the
city
limits
in
District,
3
in
district
7
and
District
Five
I
want
this
cut
by
50
the
traffic.
The
the
car
amounts.
That's
number
one
number
two
I
want
to
know.
Does
the
city
of
San
Jose
have
access
to
this
PG
e
substation?
I
You
know
because
this
was
on
consent.
That's
the
disgusting
part
man,
you
guys
are
criminal
in
the
way
that
you're
moving
these
meetings,
because
this
was
on
consent
and
you
guys
got
a
PG
e
substation
that
needs
to
be
built
there
in
order
to
accommodate
the
electricity
that
is
going
to
be
necessary
to
run
those
data
centers.
So
what
my
question
is
in
the
case
of
emergency,
does
the
city
of
San
Jose?
Have
access
to
that
I
want
to
know
an
explicit
just
a
simple
answer?
I
Not
none
of
your
lawyer
rhetoric
where
you
just
run
around
run
around
run
around
with
language,
and
it
means
nothing
because
lawyers
are
experts
at
saying
a
whole
lot
and
they
say
absolutely
nothing
Excellence,
that's
why
they
get
paid
to
do
that.
So
I
want
to
know
that
the
question
is
well
the
the
demand
not
a
request.
The
demand
is
50
cut
in
the
amount
of
cars
because
you
are
just
estimating
offline
trees.
I
F
Actually,
I
kind
of
parrot
that
statement.
How
does
this
get
on
the
consent
calendar
it
it
just
it
had
a
boatload
of
questions
in
my
mind
and
I
think
you
know
not
that
this
is
a
bad
project.
I'm,
not
saying
that
I'm
just
saying
the
public
should
hear
the
things
that
this
gentleman
said
today
as
well
as
understand
the
impacts
of
these
projects.
L
F
Yeah,
okay,
okay!
Well,
that's
an
answer.
I
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
actually,
I
have
a
number
of
questions
before
you
spoke.
I
I
think
you
answered
most
and
you
answered
them
well
and
actually
this
is
this
project
seems
pretty
amazing
actually
and
is
actually
scheduled
to
get
done.
What
do
you
know
that
happens?
F
F
E
Absolutely-
and
we
did,
we
actually
did
reduce
parking
by
32
percent
on
site,
and
this
is
proximity
to
trans
Transportation,
we're
also
providing
secure
bike
lockers,
as
well
as
motorcycle
parking
for
folks
that
are
not
driving
cars,
but
we
did
reduce.
Given
our
Transit
oriented,
Focus
location,
we
did
reduce
parking
up
to
I
believe
it
was
32
percent.
Okay,.
E
F
F
It
seems
to
me
a
bit
perverse
to
remove
trees
and
not
replace
them
and
it
from
the
drawings.
It
looks
like
you
can't:
have
a
green
roof
there,
because
what
are
those
cooling
towers?
Okay,
I
I'd
love
to
see
that
offset
be
something
better
than
just
putting
money
in
the
Coffer
that
we
all
know.
We
don't
manage
that
program
very
well
and
those
trees
may
or
may
not
get
planted
and
are
likely
to
die
within
a
year
or
two
anyway,
because
no
one's
going
to
water
them.
So
those
are
my
concerns.
Thank
you.
O
You
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
presenting,
on
behalf
of
your
your
applicant
question
on
for
staff,
I'm,
really
curious
about
public
interest.
Is
it
like
the
amount
of
emails
that
are
generated?
Is
it
I,
just
kind
of
want
to
wonder,
and
just
also
for
the
benefit
of
everyone
here
when
things
go
to
consent,
when
things
don't
like
what
are
the
what's
the
rubric?
What's
the
measuring
stick
for
that?
Thank
you.
P
The
CD
Council
has
a
council
policy
6-30
that
deals
with
Outreach.
Each
project
is
categorized
and
its
size,
the
nature
and
scope,
large
projects,
medium
projects
and
small
projects
by
size.
This
will
be
categorized
as
a
large
project.
We
follow
specific
requirements,
but
all
along
there
has
never
been
Community
interest.
P
So,
with
regards
to
how
we
put
projects
on
consent,
it
depends
on
community
interest.
We
have
a
secret
section
that
deals
with
the
IRS
CEC
was
the
lead
agency
that
prepared
the
sequel
they
dealt.
They
coordinated
with
our
SQL
staff
throughout
the
process.
As
part
of
the
Scorpion
meeting
and
the
development
review,
there
was
no
Community
interest
and
we
are
not
sure
whether
it's
because
of
the
location
or
the
nature
of
the
project,
but
the
project
also
checked
all
the
boxes
that
we
are
required
to
look
at
so
because
there
was.
A
P
B
P
B
P
Is
correct
and
most
of
the
times
it
really
helps
if
questions
are
asked
earlier
on
and
in
most
instances
when
we
answer
those
questions,
they
don't
it
doesn't
it's
not
even
calls
during
the
hearing,
but
so
hopefully,
if
there
are
any
questions
on
other
projects
subsequently,
we
will
be
able
to
answer
them
before
we
even
come
to
the
hearing
specifically
for
this
project,
no
Community
interest
and
I.
Think
not
that
I
think
I
know
that
the
California
energy
commission
also
did
a
very
thorough
Outreach.
O
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
highlighting
those
opportunities
and
the
steps
where,
where
it's
gauged
of
what
would
be
on
consent
and
what
would
be
in
public
hearing
and
just
curious.
Is
that
something
that,
at
our
commission
meeting
that
we
have
to
say,
hey
like
let's
pull
this
to
public
hearing,
or
is
that
something
that
we
can
do
beforehand.
B
I
think,
for
what
we
were
having
is
saying
is:
if
a
commissioner
has
an
interest
in
pulling
something
from
the
consent
calendar,
you
could
and
probably
be
better
for
staff.
If
you
sent
an
email
and
said
hey
I'm,
going
to
pull
this
item,
I
have
a
16
questions
or
a
high
level
of
Interest.
So
that
way
staff
knows
and
they
can
coordinate
and
have
things
ready
versus.
You
know
they
don't
have
a
full
deck
prepared,
typically
for
consent,
calendar
items
right.
O
B
M
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
in
the
parking
I
think
I
have
an
amount
of
correct
stuff.
Let
me
know
I
believe
this
project
was
in
the
pipeline
before
the
parking
minimums
were
abolished,
and
so
my
understanding
is
this
project
is
providing
the
minimum
amount
that
it's
required
to
exactly.
Is
that
correct,
yeah.
L
L
Q
Q
Thank
you,
I
mean
obviously,
I
would
love
to
see.
You
come
back
with
further
reductions
in
parking,
but
we'll
see,
and
then
my
second
question
was
related
to
again
tree
removals,
and
this
one
was
for
staff.
It
looks
like
this
in
lieu
of
fee,
as
others
have
noted,
is
a
huge
sum
of
money.
326,
000
and
change.
Do
you
have
on
hand
the
total
amount
of
in
lieu
of
fees
that
have
been
collected
in
D4
up
until
now,.
P
L
Q
Thank
you,
yeah
I've
read
up
on
this
a
little
bit
prior
to
today's
meeting,
and
my
understanding
is
that
this
single
projects
in
Louisville
fees,
May
in
fact,
be
more
than
all
in
luo
fees
that
have
ever
been
gathered
in
D4
and
I.
Also
read
that
you
know
up
until
now,
the
city
hasn't
had
a
great
track
record
and
actually
effectively
spending
that
money
getting
trees
planted
following
up
on
you
know.
Q
The
success
of
those
plantings,
as
other
Commissioners
have
mentioned
so
I,
understand
that
we're
in
the
process
of
updating
the
tree
canopy
policies
city-wide
as
well
as
the
in
lieu
of
the
program,
but
earlier
this
year,
I
remember
in
a
council
meeting.
There
was
also
a
presentation
about
the
current
tree:
canopy
landscape
through
an
equity
lens,
and
it
called
out
the
D4
where
this
project
is
located,
is
currently
tied
for
the
worst
tree.
Canopy
coverage
of
any
District,
city-wide
I
believe
tied
with
District
Seven.
Q
So
I
guess
my
ask
moving
forward
as
we
update
these
policies
would
be.
It
would
be
great
to
see
as
much
of
this
in
Loop
huge
sum
of
in
lieu
of
fees
rededicated
to
if
not
District,
Four,
at
least
District
Four
and
the
other.
You
know
districts
that
are
disproportionately
impacted
by
lack
of
tree
coverage.
Thank.
B
L
B
K
I'd
first
like
to
say
that
it
looks
like
a
beautiful
project:
it's
a
beautiful
design,
the
modern
technology.
This
is
Silicon
Valley,
it
matches
the
environment,
it's
beautiful
and
the
fact
that
you've
taken
you
know
it's
Leed
certified
or
all
that
that's
fantastic!
That's
what
we
like
to
see.
We
want
to
see
a
lot
of
great
projects
like
this,
so
I
commend
you
for
all
the
hard
work
that
you've
got
here.
So
congratulations
to
both
everyone
that
worked
on
it
plus
staff.
I
know
it
takes
a
lot
of
work
to
just
get
here.
E
Absolutely
so
at
the
corner
of
Ringwood
and
trade
zone,
we
are
enhancing
that
whole
our
side
of
the
intersection,
as
well
as
implementing
a
new
bike
lane.
The
bike
lane
will
have
a
hard
divide
as
well
as
come
up
on
sidewalk,
to
prevent
a
bigger
excuse
me
to
enhance
the
buffer
between
vehicles
and
bicycles.
K
K
S
T
manager,
so
the
project
was
screened
out
of
VMT
it's
within
a
low
VMT
area,
so
there
was
no
BMT
analysis
done
for
the
project
and
the
other
impacts
regarding
circulation,
design
hazards
and
everything
else
was
determined
to
be
less
than
significant
and
as
Alec
mentioned,
the
project
includes
a
TDM
plan
that
would
address
things
like
car
sharing,
alternate
work
schedule,
and
things
like
that.
So
there
was
no
VMT
analysis
done
for
the
needed
for
the
project
as
per
the
SQL
guidelines.
M
M
F
L
F
I
think
this
is
a
great
project.
It's
a
far
better
project
than
I
actually
imagined.
It
would
be
with
hearing
this
from
you
and
I
and
I
understand
why
it's
not
on
a
consent.
Calendar
I
would
give
this
my
consent
and,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
I
move
that
we
approve
this
proposal,
because
I
I
think
it
is
exactly
what
it
should
be.
T
T
Yeah
as
I
second,
it's
obvious
I'm,
supportive
of
the
project.
It's
a
great
project,
just
a
question
out
of
curiosity
and
this
kind
of
ladders
up
to
the
question
about
parking,
was
there
any
consideration
given
because
I
know
a
lot
of
developers
now
are
repurposing
or
at
least
building
parking
with
the
idea
of
repurposing
it
down
the
line?
So
was
this
ever
a
consideration
in
this
project?
It.
B
Any
other
comments-
oh
I'm,
certainly
supporting
the
motion.
This
is
what
we've
always
wanted
in
the
north
part
of
San
Jose
is
jobs
jobs.
Thank
you
for
your
investment.
I,
certainly
hope
that
the
financing
does
come
through
to
build
as
your
desired
timeline.
You
shared
with
us
I
think
it's
great
to
have
advanced
manufacturing
and
for
any
and
all
of
us
that
use
our
devices.
I
mean
we'd,
be
fooling
ourselves
to
not
think
we
don't
need
these
types
of
facilities
that
doesn't
magically
appear
the
bandwidth.
B
D
D
You
guys
thought
you're
going
to
get
out
of
here,
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
staff
recommendation
includes
the
brief
amendment
that
I
made
at
the
beginning
of
this
item,
which
is
instead
of
certifying
this
is
under
recommendation
one,
instead
of
certifying
we're
going
to
be
making
certain
findings
regarding
the
eir
is
that,
okay,
with
the
maker
of
the
motion
and
the
seconder
okay,
just
wanted
to
make
that
clarification.
Thank
you.
O
B
Q
B
Okay
and
and
Robert,
can
we
ask
make
a
request
of
you
that
at
a
future
meeting
sometime
in
the
future,
you
know
for
the
next
few
months?
Could
you
come
back
and
share
with
us
the
question
on
how
much
fees
have
been
collected
for
trees
and
how
much
has
been
spent
or
yet
to
be
spent,
because
it's
a
question
that
keeps
coming
up
so
ask
the
particular
department
and
just
let
us
know
as
a
full
factoid.
P
B
P
We
do
excellent
yeah,
so
the
capital
Improvement
program
special
meeting
is
scheduled
for
Wednesday
May
10th
at
5
PM
in
the
tower
room
332.
We
are
on
the
third
floor
room
332
of
the
tower,
but
that
will
be
only
for
the
special
meeting.
The
reason
being
dinner
will
be
saved
and
we
can't
eat
dinner
here
so
from
five
to
six
and
then
six
o'clock
we'll
come
back
today.
6.
B
D
Q
P
Q
D
No
for
me
yeah,
that's
right
fro!
So
the
last
meeting
you
directed
me
or
asked
me
to
come
back
on
teleconferencing
rules
or
legislation
that
might
be
in
the
legislature,
so
I
wanted
to
kind
of
Honor
that
request
and
make
sure
that
you
were
aware
that
there
are
two
Bills
currently
in
the
California
legislature:
that's
AB
817
by
assembly,
member
Pacheco
and
then
sb411.
That's
senator
portenteo
portentino.
D
Excuse
me
so
I'm
not
going
to
comment
on
the
bills
per
se,
but
basically
what
those
bills
would
do
would
be
making
teleconferencing
possible
for
all
Commissioners
as
well
right.
So
what
we
were
doing
during
the
pandemic
would
make
that
permanent,
because
I
think
that
may
be
related
to
the
question
you
had
asked.
B
D
B
Yes,
because
several
Commissioners
quit
when
they,
when
they
came
back
in
and
weren't
allowed
to
teleconference
so
I
figured.
That
would
be
pertinent
and
so
in
out
of
curiosity.
Does
it
say
either
of
those
bills
like
when?
Are
they?
Is
it
something
like
a
July
time
frame
when
they're
passed
and
if
signed
or
something
or
is
it
a
two-year
bill
or.
B
B
Resource
excellent,
thank
you
public
record,
nothing
adjournment!
Thank
you
for
Commissioners
I
know.
Sometimes
we
try
to
stuff.
We
go
through
some
of
these
items
and
we
have
a
lot
of
questions
and
appreciate
everyone's
patience
and
kindness
as
we
go
through
that
with
with
staff
and
everyone
else.
So
thank
you
very
much
good
night.