►
From YouTube: SEP 11, 2019 | Planning Commission
Description
City of San José
Planning Commission
View agenda at https://sanjose.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=A&ID=719303&GUID=0514020A-1012-4A87-B67A-312C8D0A340E
A
B
B
Welcome
to
a
meeting
of
the
San
Jose
Planning
Commission,
the
following
is
a
summary
of
the
Planning
Commission's
hearing
procedures.
If
you
want
to
address
the
Commission,
please
fill
out
a
speaker
card
located
on
the
table
near
the
audio-visual
technician
and
deposit
the
completed
card
in
the
basket.
There
are
also
speaker
cards
in
the
back
of
the
chambers
and
at
the
side
entrance.
The
procedure
for
this
hearing
is
as
follows.
After
the
staff
report,
applicants
and
appellant
smae
make
a
five-minute
presentation.
B
The
chair
will
call
out
names
on
the
submitted
speaker
cards
in
the
order
received,
as
your
name
is
called.
Please
line
up
in
front
of
the
microphone
at
the
front
of
the
chamber.
Each
speaker
will
have
two
minutes.
Speakers
using
a
translator
will
have
four
minutes
after
the
public
testimony.
The
applicant
and
appellant
may
make
closing
remarks
for
an
additional
five
minutes.
Planning
commissioners
may
ask
questions
of
the
speakers.
Response
to
Commissioner
questions
will
not
reduce
the
speakers
time
allowance.
B
The
public
hearing
will
then
be
closed
and
the
Planning
Commission
will
take
action
on
the
item.
The
Planning
Commission
may
request
staff
to
respond
to
the
public.
Testimony.
Ask
staff
questions
and
discuss
the
item.
If
you
challenge
these
land-use
decisions
in
court,
you
may
be
limited
to
raising
only
those
issues
you
or
someone
else
raised
at
this
public
hearing
or
in
written
correspondence
delivered
to
the
city
at
or
prior
to
the
public
hearing
the
Planning
Commission's
action
on
rezoning,
zhh,
pre,
zonings
general
plan
amendments
and
code
amendments
is
only
advisory
to
the
City
Council.
B
The
City
Council
will
hold
public
hearings
on
these
items.
Section
twenty
point:
one:
twenty
point:
400
of
the
Municipal
Code,
provides
the
procedures
for
legal
protests
of
the
City
Council
on
rezoning,
zand
pries
awnings,
the
Planning
Commission's
action
on
conditional
use
permits
is
appealable
to
the
City
Council
in
accordance
with
section
twenty
point:
100
point:
220
of
the
Municipal
Code
agendas
and
a
binder
of
all
staff
reports
have
been
placed
on
the
table
near
the
door
for
your
convenience.
Thank
you.
A
Great,
so
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
number
two
public
comment.
This
is
the
agenda
item
where,
if
members
of
the
public
wish
to
comment
on
any
item
that
is
not
on
the
agenda,
this
is
the
time
I
don't
have
any
speaker
cards,
so
I'm
gonna
assume
that
no
one
in
the
audience
wants
to
comment
under
this
particular
item
and
seeing
no
movement
in
the
audience
we'll
go
to
number
three
which
is
deferrals
and
removals
from
the
calendar,
and
it
says
there
are
no
items
here
so
we'll
move
on
to
the
consent
calendar.
C
Thank
You
chair
and
members
of
the
Planning
Commission,
my
name
is
Brent
Carvalho
I
am
the
project
manager
for
agenda
item
5a,
which
is
aimed
at
accomplishing
two
goals.
The
first
removing
the
sidewalk
cafe
permit
requirement
from
the
zoning
ordinance
so
that
sidewalks
seating
can
be
approved
through
the
Department
of
Public
Works
minor
encroachment
permit
and
the
second
revising
the
concurrent
review
process
to
allow
additional
actions
to
be
considered
through
a
unified
hearing
process.
C
Currently,
sidewalk
cafes
are
permitted
through
the
planning
departments.
Sidewalk
cafe
permit.
These
permits
are
also
reviewed
by
the
Department
of
Public
Works
and
the
fire
department.
The
proposed
changes
will
remove
the
permit
from
title
20
and
allow
sidewalk
seating
to
be
permitted
through
the
Public
Works
minor
encroachment
permit,
which
will
be
regulated
by
new
outdoor
seating
regulations
that
will
be
adopted
by
Public
Works.
C
Whereas
if
the
regulations
for
sidewalk
seating
were
to
remain
in
title
20,
it
would
require
approval
of
an
ordinance
anytime.
That
changes
were
made
with
regards
to
concurrent
review.
Concurrent
review
is
a
process
which
allows
certain
permits
and
approvals
for
a
single
project
that
might
otherwise
be
reviewed
through
separate
hearing
bodies
to
be
acted
upon
in
a
unified
process
that
follows
the
highest-level
permit
or
approval
an
example
of
a
new
development
project
which
can
utilize
concurrent
review
is
a
24
hour
gym.
C
Constructing
a
new
building
for
a
gym
would
require
a
site
development
permit,
which
can
be
approved
by
the
Director
of
Planning,
whereas
the
24
hour
use
requires
a
conditional
use
permit,
which
would
be
heard
by
the
Planning
Commission
through
concurrent
review.
Both
actions
can
be
reviewed
together
by
the
higher-level
hearing
body,
in
this
case
the
Planning
Commission
an
example
of
a
project
that
was
not
able
to
utilize
current
review
is
the
Adobe
building
the
new
office
building
was
approved
through
a
site
development
permit
out
of
planning
directors
hearing.
C
However,
the
bridge
which
joins
the
existing
building
with
the
new
expanded
office
building
crosses
over
a
public
street
requiring
a
major
encroachment
permit,
which
had
to
be
approved
by
the
City
Council.
If
they
had
been
eligible
for
concurrent
review,
the
full
project
could
have
been
reviewed
and
approved
by
City
Council
in
one
approval
process.
This
ordinate
chain
ordinance
change
will
allow
the
addition
of
development
agreements,
major
encroachments
and
street
and
easement
vacations
to
the
list
of
actions
that
can
be
considered
under
concurrent
review.
C
This
will
effectively
help
to
avoid
melt
multiple
hearings
by
different
hearing
bodies
for
actions
that
often
go
together
and
are
integral
to
construction
of
a
proposed
development,
and
now
I
will
turn
it
over
to
Ryan
doe.
To
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
regulations
for
outdoor
seating
in
the
public,
right-of-way.
D
Thank
You
Brent
Thank
You,
chair,
Commissioner,
Ryan,
Dover
publix
I'm
here
to
provide
some
additional
information
related
to
the
sidewalk,
seating
and
parklet
program
and
proposed
regulations,
but
first
just
additional
brief
history
on
the
ordinance
amendments.
The
program
and
coordination
effort
as
it
relates
to
park
lights
and
sidewalk
seating
in
June
of
2017
Council
approve
a
owners
amendment
to
chapter
13,
36
of
title
13
and
adding
chapter
13
37
of
tire
13
to
govern
private
and
crew
enclosure
and
within
the
city
public
right
away.
D
Chapter
13
37
also
authorized
the
director
public
to
approve
mining
coachman
permit
within
the
public
right
away.
It
also
provides
the
Director
of
Public
Works
the
authority
to
adopt
administrative
regulations
rules
and
for
mining
encroachment
in
October
2017
staff
presented
to
the
CED,
the
Community
and
Economic
Development
Committee,
with
a
status
report
and
recommendation
to
formalize
the
program
and
proposed
amendment
to
just
stakeholders
concerns
at
that
time.
The
program
which
is
a
pilot
program
in
December
2017
council
accepted
staff
and
pull
proposal
to
formalize
the
proclaim
and
regulate
it
through
chapter
1337
staff.
D
At
that
time,
inform
council
that
amendments
to
Title,
Toni
are
required
and
that
staff
will
return
the
council
for
approval
since
then
public,
both
PPC
and
public,
with
staffs,
have
conducted
several
coordination
meeting
with
other
city
departments
such
as
Office
of
Economic,
Development,
police
and
transportation
to
develop
the
regulations.
We
also
have
a
stakeholder
meetings
with
business
property
owners,
downtown
associates
and
council
office
district
three
and
receive
positive
feedback
based
on
those
proposed
regulations.
D
For
sidewalks
seating
there's
a
couple
categories
I
want
to
go
through.
First
is
just
eligible
applicants.
We
want
to
clarify
that
is
for
a
front
and
ground-floor
business
owner
and
operator
for
allowable
use.
We
want
to
expand
the
use
to
dining
and
private
customers
seedings
again.
This
is
for
sidewalk
seating.
As
far
as
operation
hours.
We
want
to
clarify
that
it's
the
same
as
the
business
hours,
but
not
past
12
a.m.
D
D
We
are
also
allowing
incidental
sidewalk
seating,
which
is
currently
not
allow
and
also
potential
an
expedited
process
for
those
proposal
for
the
parklet
program
again
same
same
category,
we
are
expanding
to
allow
different
applicants,
front
ground-floor,
business
operator,
partner,
fronting
property
owners
as
well
as
business
associations,
for
example,
sound
that's
downtown
associations
for
use.
We
also
want
to
expand
the
use
of
it
instead
of
just
dining
and
retail
us
eating
its
dining
for
publicly
as
that
eating
establishment,
private
seating,
but
also
through
the
outreach
process.
We
wanted
to
open
to
public
seating
and
bike
parking.
E
D
Of
operations,
we
want
to
expand
it
to
7:00
a.m.
to
midnight
during
the
business
hours.
It
would
be
private
use
but
doing
half
outside
business
hours.
It
would
be
public
use,
location,
wise,
similar
type
of
locations
as
sidewalk
seating
and
code
applications
is
the
same
as
I
walk,
seating,
chapter
1337,
let's
discuss
and
then,
regarding
permitting.
We
would
minimize
it
to
one
permit
through
Public
Works,
rather
than
having
two
permits.
One
for
planning
and
wonderful,
Public,
Works
and
review
fee
would
just
be
review
fee
from
Public
Works.
That
concludes
my
report.
F
So
maybe
about
forty
is
it.
Four
years
ago
now,
Danny
I
calmed
Danny
night,
any
Harrison
night
foundation
paid
for
a
number
of
us
from
planning,
as
well
as
Ryan
Sebastian
for
moveable
feast
and
some
other
nonprofit
and
for-profit
organizations
to
go
to
Detroit
to
look
at
the
idea
of
what
they
call
a
pink
zone.
I
think
which
is
basically
you.
You
go
light
on
the
red
tape
and
you
allow
things
to
happen
organically.
We
found,
of
course,
this
Detroit
is
like
the
Old
West.
F
Anything
goes,
there's
no
rules
really
at
all,
but
the
idea
of
going
there
was
just
to
learn
how
could
be
more
loose
and
obstruct
the
streamlined
processes
to
facilitate
placemaking
activation
of
the
right-of-way
and
create
a
more
vibrant,
active
City.
So
this
really
came
out
of
that.
It's
part
of
a
larger
effort
which
Harry
Freitas
termed
easy
urbanism.
It
sounds
kind
of
a
hip-hop
term,
but
it's
called
easy
urbanism
and
we're
doing
a
number
of
efforts
to
facilitate
placemaking.
So
this
is
part
of
that
effort
that
started
I'm,
forgetting
I
think
it
was
about.
G
Yes,
a
question
for
staff,
so,
if
I'm
understanding
this
right,
we're
sort
of
we're
bringing
the
permit
requirement
together,
putting
it
all
in
Public
Works
the
they
will
have
just
one
fee.
Instead
of
multiple
fees
in
different
departments
on
the
screen,
it
looks
like
the
fees
at
least
the
numeric
values
there
go
up,
but
you're
not
showing
the
various
other
fees
that
get
paid
so
would
see.
What's
what's
a
recent,
a
reasonable
benchmark
for
a
restaurant?
G
That's
looking
to
put
you
know:
20
seats
Wow
like
what
are
they
paying
right
now,
fully
loaded,
it
looks
like
it's
gonna
go
to
well.
This
is
the
curbed
cafe,
but
it
looks
like
it's
gonna
go
to
774
for
the
parklet
and
the
sidewalk
seating,
I!
Guess
I'm,
just
trying
to
understand
how
this
you
know,
apples
to
apples,
dollar
comparison
and
I
know
that
it's
gonna
vary
by
location
and
specific.
But
can
we
get
like
an
order
of
magnitude
on
that.
D
So
if
I
understand
the
question
correctly,
there
usually
we
coordinate
with
other
departments,
fire
departments,
please,
and
so
we're
trying
to
establish
regulations
where
we
get
all
those
inputs
already
and
through
public
review.
We
would
ensure
that
those
requirements
are
met.
Therefore,
is
really
minimizing
into
one
department
review
their
whole
one
fee,
so
it
varies
depending
on
the
location,
whether
they
would
be
involved
in
current
process.
Okay,
now,
okay.
G
G
D
So
the
as
mentioned
in
the
report,
yes,
the
chapter
1337
allows
the
director
to
create
the
regulations.
I'll
see
we
would
coordinate
with
other
departments
as
mentions
as
well
as
the
stakeholders,
to
see
obviously
we're
going
to
monitor
these
programs
and
see
what
works,
what
doesn't
work
and
adjust
it
accordingly,
but
hopefully
we
can
streamline
the
process
of
changing
those
requirements
or
regulations
through
just
the
Public
Works.
The
approval
director
approval.
G
Okay,
so
the
the
public
works
director
would
be
setting
them
and
then
he
could
update
them
correct.
The
idea
is
just
to
be
able
to
iterate
and
kind
of
do
this
faster,
correct,
correct,
I'm
and
we're
not
gonna.
Do
it
I'm?
Okay,
with
that
I'm
trusting
in
mr.
Kane
out
here,
but
hopefully
you
know
future
Public
Works
directors
will
be
as
thoughtful.
What's
it
sure,
but
right
now
it's
it's
NAT.
K
know.
If
memory
serves
in
public
works
right.
H
H
G
H
G
I
A
question
on
the
fee:
I'm
sorry,
was
that
you
just
had
isn't
the
new
fee
proposed
to
be
annual
versus
the
other?
One
was
a
one-time
cost,
because
you
have
on
your
PowerPoint
annual
renewal
and
on
the
first
one.
It
doesn't
state
that
so
just
trying
to
clarify
is
the
left
side,
a
one-time
fee
and
then
the
right
side
is
a
fee.
That's
a
subscription
or
annual.
D
That
is
so.
The
7774
is
a
one-time
fee
for
review
and
inspections
of
the
installations
through
the
coordination
effort
of
other
departments
and
stakeholders.
There
was
some
concern
about
maintenance
of
these
facilities
and
keeping
up
with
insurance
and
responsible
for
those
facilities.
So
we
are
looking
into
whether
it's
an
annual
review
or
if
they
are
kind
of
compliant
in
compliance
with
what's
required,
then
we
do
maybe
a
three-year
five-year
review
of
it
to
make
sure
again
part
of
it.
D
I
D
I
D
J
D
So
for
the
sidewalk
seating,
so
the
incidental
use
is,
if
you
want
to
set
up
like
a
table
or
and
two
chairs
or
something
you
just
want
to
put
it
out
there
and
move
it
at
the
end
of
the
night,
the
sidewalk
seating.
Potentially,
you
could
have
railings
to
an
enclosed
area
for
sight
within
the
sidewalk
that
has
tables
and
chairs
that
remain
there.
So.
J
H
Really,
the
intent
between
behind
the
incidental
seating
is
to
create
kind
of
a
simpler
process
for
a
business
that
wants
to
just
throw
a
couple
tables
outside
on
the
sidewalk,
because
that
doesn't
need
the
same
level
of
review
as
somebody
that
has
to
construct
a
barrier
because
they
want
to
sell
alcohol
and
wants
to
do
some
sort
of
a
more
permanent
installation.
So
the
intention
behind
that
is
to
almost
like
sidewalk
seating
light
to
just
create
a
simpler
permit
process.
H
E
J
All
right,
I
was
confused.
I
thought
this
was
a
something
that
was
on
top
of
the
permit
that
you
get
not
a
separate
sort
of
more
expedited
process,
and
just
just
since
we've
been
talking
about
fees,
does
that
have
a
lower
fee
associated
with
it?
Or
do
you
have
a
proposed
fee
associated
with
the
incidental
sidewalks
heating
application
right.
J
The
second
point
is
just
a
really
minor
I
guess
the
thing
that
I
noticed
with
the
language
and
section
20-point
100
point
14
sidewalks
eating
in
parklets
and
the
first
line.
It
says
for
sidewalk,
seating
or
Park
Lots
in
the
public
right
away
refer
to
the
procedures
for
encroachment
pursuant
permits
pursuant
to
chapter
thirteen
point.
Three,
seven
and
I
would
just
suggest
that
you
changed
the
word
pursuant
to
set
forth
under
which
is
very
minor,
but
I
thought
it
pointed
out.
While
we've
got
the
chance
to
change
the
language.
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
just
wanted
to
thank
staff
for
the
two
slide
presentation
we
got
here
with
the
chart
which
helped
me
understand
this
issue
a
lot
better
than
reading
the
staff
report
initially.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
I
am
a
visual
thinker.
A
lot
of
us
are
but
I
appreciate
that,
and
thank
you
so
much
to
the
commissioners
with
their
burning
questions
regarding
the
fees,
because
that
was
the
only
area
where
I
had
some
confusion
as
well.
So
my
questions
have
been
answered.
Thank
you
very
much.
Commissioner.
A
E
E
H
E
E
I
can
understand
conditional
use
permits,
there's
a
use
development
agreements,
I
thought
for
years.
The
whole
project
should
go
to
council,
they
shouldn't
be
approving
a
development
agreement
without
the
project,
but
a
site
development
permit
is
a
use,
that's
allowed
by
right
and
it
is
entirely
a
design
review
and
probably
nobody
thinks
the
council
has
a
high
level
of
as
a
whole
has
a
high
level
of
expertise.
Mr.
E
all
varial
my
apologies
design
review,
which
means
that
the
staff
is
still
going
to
have
to
do
a
complete
design
review,
but,
unlike
under
the
current
system,
they're
also
going
to
have
to
write
a
detailed
council
level
staff
report
that
deals
with
whatever
the
encroachment
permit
or
the
other
issue
is
so
there's
going
to
be
more
staff
time
put
into
it
and
then
we're
going
to
take.
But
it's
supposed
to
be
a
relatively
straightforward
process
and
turned
it
over
to
an
inherently
political
body
and
I
I.
E
The
council
has
a
huge
workload
already.
They
deal
with
the
most
complex
issues
that
are
happening
in
this
city
and
I.
Just
don't
believe
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
good
thing
for
anybody.
The
encroachment
permits,
because
they're
in
the
public,
right-of-way
and
there's
there's
sort
of
an
inherent
issue
that
there's
a
hazard.
It's
it's
a
an
aberration.
I
can
understand
that
the
council
needs
to
deal
with
those
any
encroachment
into
city
streets
of
any
substance.
B
If
the
director
approves
the
site
plan
permit,
then
what
happens
is
excuse
me
that
whatever
permit
they're
looking
at
at
the
directors
level-
and
what
happens
is
it's
contingent
upon
the
council
approving
and
it
becomes
very
confusing
for
applicants.
It
is
somewhat
more
intensive
and
laborious
for
staff.
The
applicants
don't
get
it.
They
would
prefer
to
go
to
one
hearing
generally
and
I
think.
That
is
why
the
recommendation
is
going
forward
because
I
have
no
trouble
conditioning
approvals
on
somebody
else's
approval,
but
one
of
the
things
is
that
people
also
worry.
B
Right
but
then,
but
then
the
council
might
want
to
know
why
don't
we
have
the
decision-making
authority
over
this
entire
project
and
vice
versa?
If
the
council
does
the
encroachment
permit
first,
then,
is
it
pressure
upon
a
director
to
approve
a
plan
that
they
may
not
necessarily
also?
So
that's
one
of
that
is
one
of
the
issues
that
I
see
constantly
and
I.
Think
that's
why
staff
is
proposing
the
merger
of
some
of
these
and
that
they
go
through
concurrent
approval,
I.
E
Guess
I
understand
that,
and
certainly
there's
something
kind
of
hinky
about
the
council
approving
something
conditional
on
a
subordinate
decision,
in
which
case
we
could
say,
the
last
decision
is
the
council's
and
they
also
have
the
authority
I
think
to
Colin
to
review
anything.
That's
been
done
both
by
a
subordinate
group.
They
may
not
well,
they
can
review
an
thing
they
want.
E
They
don't
have
the
approval
denial,
but
if
they
there
are
a
lot
of
things
in
development
that
may
not
make
sense
to
people
having
just
gotten
my
first
building
permit,
but
nevertheless
this
this,
the
staff
isn't
going
to
save
any
of
their
time.
It's
going
to
send
them
into
more
time.
It's
going
to
take
longer.
A
director's
hearing
can
take
place
every
week,
scheduling
something
for
the
council
is
much
more
time-consuming
and
there's
no
guarantee
that
it'll
make
it
on
a
specific
date.
E
There's
a
lot
of
issues
associated
with
this,
and
it
just
to
someone
that
has
been
part
of
the
development
process
doesn't
seem
like
good
government.
It
doesn't
seem
like
it's
a
good
thing
for
the
city
or
for
the
develop
even
for
applicants.
That
may
think
this
sounds
counterintuitive,
but
wait
until
they
get
their
approved
project
before
the
council
and
every
council
member
wants
to
point
out
something
they
don't
like
about
the
design,
which
is
an
exaggeration,
I'm
being
funny
sorry.
I
B
Not
with
regard
to
development
agreements,
at
least
those
need
to
be
approved
by
ordinance
and,
and
that
is
a
City
Council
action
only
with
regard
to
the
encroachment
perhaps,
but
we
haven't
looked
into
that.
This
is
not
a
piece
of
work
that
I
did.
I
just
was
aware
of
the
problem,
because
the
questions
continue
to
come
up.
Okay,.
C
B
Know
that's
why
I
expressed
that
it
can
go
either
way.
We
can
keep
you
know.
Obviously,
permits
will
be
issued
if
it
has
to
go
through
two
bodies,
instead
of
one
the
way
that
it
is
currently
that
works.
If
there's
a
desire
to
that,
the
Commission
and
the
council
agree
with
and
that
works
as
well,
but
development
agreements
clearly
could
not
go
through
a
subordinate
body.
So.
I
Can
there
be
clarification
on
a
development
agreement
based
on
what
the
content
is?
In
this
case,
it's
a
sidewalk,
dining
parklet
versus
a
developer
agreement
that
would
entail
what
maybe,
for
example,
in
the
future,
what
Google
might
enter
into
as
a
developer.
I
mean
just
two
massive
differences
between
the
two
or
the
way
city
ordinance
city
charter
works.
Is
that
it
must
any
development
agreement
must
go
to
council
regardless
it's
state
law,
okay,
appreciate
that
city
attorney
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
concurred
with
mr.
I
B
Remember
also
that
a
number
that
this
consolidation
basically
is
mostly
with
other
legislative
decisions
that
the
council
makes,
for
example,
it's
awful
and
coupled
with
zoning,
and
the
council
is
the
only
authority
that
have
you
know
is
the
only
Authority
in
the
city
that
can
adopt
zoning
ordinances
as
well.
So
it's
usually
coupled
with
other
higher-level
decision-making,
I
I.
D
Just
like
to
add
that
there
are
certain
items,
as
mentioned
in
the
report,
that
council
also
needs
to
prove
as
far
as
vacations
and
also
major
encroachment,
which
113
37
only
council
can
approve,
not
the
director
to
approve.
So
there
is
some
efficiency
for
staff
to
get
all
those
items
approved
at
the
same
time
by
council
in.
L
E
A
We
haven't,
actually
you
know.
Typically,
we
ask
the
public
to
speak
if
they
want
to
I,
don't
have
any
speaker
card,
so
I
was
thinking,
I
could
officially
close
the
public
hearing
and
then
we
can
continue
to
talk
so,
commissioner.
So
public
hearing
closed
then
Commissioner
Ellen
you're
in
the
queue.
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
actually
wanted
to
we've
heard
Richard's
asking
we've
heard
attorney
comment.
I
have
the
only
thing
I
haven't
heard
his
staff
talking
about
their
time
and
what
this
means
as
far
as
a
change
in
terms
of
is
this
gonna?
Take
you
more
time
or
is
this
gonna?
Take
you
less
time
on
the
whole
to
do
I
understand
it's
gonna
take
more
and
it's
more
convenient
for
the
applicant
I
think
that
should
be
our
goal
frankly.
But
if
I
give
your
staff
comment
on
that,
that'd
be
great
separate.
H
Thank
you.
We
haven't,
you
know
calculated
hour
by
hour,
but
our
instinct
is
it's
kind
of
a
wash
because,
if
you're
taking
something
to
directors,
hearing
you're
writing
the
the
permit
anyway,
if
you're
taking
something
to
city
council,
you're,
writing
a
staff
report
anyway
and
then,
if
you're
taking
the
Bowles
to
council,
you
still
need
to
write
the
draft
permit
and
you
still
need
to
write
the
staff
report.
I
will
say
yeah.
There
would
be
more
analysis
in
the
staff
report
on
the
the
project
itself,
so
that
that
is
definitely
true.
H
K
D
A
G
So
if
I'm
understanding
this
correctly,
we
have
situations
where
certain
items
that
are
approved
at
multiple
levels
would
then
all
come
together
and
be
approved
at
the
highest
level.
Is
that
correct,
correct
and
then
we
have
other
items
that
currently
are
heard
separately
in
different
sections
by
council,
potentially
even
in
different
hearing
days?
Is
that
correct
and
those
would
come
to
one
hearing
that.
H
Is
correct,
yeah,
so
the
three
items
that
we're
proposing
to
add
are
three
items
that
currently
aren't
in
the
concurrent
review.
So
those
would
need
to
go
to
separate
hearings
so
on
separate
days
by
separate
hearing
bodies,
so
the
encroachment
permit
the
vacations
and
then
the
development
agreements.
H
So
this
would
this
would
consolidate
them,
but
we
already
do
have
a
pretty
long
list.
So,
for
example,
if
you
someone
filed
a
rezoning
concurrently
with
a
conditional
use
permit,
then
that
could
go
to
the
the
City
Council
or
a
site
development
permit,
frankly,
concurrently
with
a
rezoning
and
already
can
go
to
the
City
Council.
So
it's
not
a
new
concept,
but
the
council
would
be
seeing
site
permits
they
already
do
through
through
the
concurrent
process.
This
just
adds
a
couple
more
opportunities:
okay,.
H
H
G
H
G
J
On
the
additional
staff
time
question,
if
there
it
turns
out
that
there
is
more
staff
time
for
the
unified
review
and
this
preparation
of
staff
report,
would
there
be
an
option
for
the
fees
to
reflect
that,
for
example,
if
someone
chooses
a
unified
process
and
there
they
have
a
site
development
permit
application.
As
part
of
that,
could
you
have
a
higher
fee
for
the
site
development
permit,
knowing
that
you're
gonna
prepare
a
sort
of
more
in-depth
report?
If
that
turns
out
to
be
the
case,
yeah.
D
J
It's
impossible
to
calculate
the
fees,
that's
a
whole
thing
on
its
on
its
own
and
having
that
injecting
that
uncertainty
at
various
different
components,
especially
when
the
sort
of
no-go
part
of
it
is
at
City
Council.
That's
probably
going
to
be.
The
last
thing
that
happens
is
very
detrimental
to
the
certainty.
That's
required
to
invest
in
these
types
of
projects.
Commissioner.
A
E
E
E
E
The
staff
report-
that's
written
for
Council
is
a
fairly
lengthy
staff
report
and
the
planning's
I
mean
there's
a
formatted.
It's
much
more
cumbersome
preparation
for
something
the
council
hasn't
seen
before
the
directors
hearing
the
permit
has
to
be
prepared,
but
the
permit
is
going
to
have
to
be
prepared
for
an
item
that
goes
to
Council
as
well.
So
that's
a
wash,
but
anything
that
is
done.
Preparatory
for
the
council
meeting
is
going
to
be
new
work.
The
Public
Works
Department.
Do
they
normally
attend
the
directors
hearing.
D
E
E
E
Okay,
I
think
that's
all
I
wanted
to
make
clear
that
I
think
that
development
agreements
should
absolutely
be
heard
concurrently,
development
agreements
being
as
they
lock
in
the
project
forever,
and
the
council
should
be
able
to
approve
what
they're,
locking
that's
not
forever
but
effectively
forever
and
a
conditional
use
permit.
There
are
some
aspects
to
introducing
a
use
that
isn't
allowed
by
right
that
might
appropriately
be
considered
by
council.
A
K
A
G
G
G
I
would
disagree
that
it's
necessarily
a
bad
thing
that
lower
items
go
up,
because
the
the
value
that
you're
providing
by
bringing
these
in
for
a
concurrent
review
is
that
the
council
is
seen
more
of
the
project
together.
That
staff
is
coming
in
for
one
request.
In
my
world
users
or
project
managers,
project
controls
analysts,
asset
managers.
G
They
could
be
having
to
propose
a
change
upwards
of
six
or
seven
times
to
different
bodies
and
having
different
either
meeting
bodies,
or
vice
presidents
or
directors
of
people
all
throughout
the
organization
having
to
approve
stuff
all
related
to
the
same
root
cause.
So
so,
here
back
into
my
planning
commission
role
here,
I'm
seeing
it
that
we
want
to
bring
these
developments
forward
as
one
package
and
anything
we
can
do
to
consolidate
those
types
of
approvals,
even
if
it
means
burdening
the
City
Council,
but
it
would
be
something
I
would
support.
G
K
You
know
it's
not
we
don't
pay,
for.
We
don't
pay
a
ton
of
money
for
the
green
paint
you
see
in
the
bike
lanes.
We
pay
for
people
to
go
out
there
and
paint
the
bike
lanes.
So
it's
really
important
that
we
have
that
conversation
at
all
times
when
we're
talking
about
new
things
and
I.
Appreciate
your
honesty
and
I
appreciate
my
commissioners,
questions
and
I
will
be
done
talking
now,
so
we
can
get
to
a
vote.
A
B
G
A
F
So
there
were
two
items
last
night
at
Council,
one
of
them
was
lighting
for
Bellarmine
college
for
their
field
that
was
approved,
I'm
sorry,
I've
been
trying
to
get
more
information.
I
think
is.
He
meant
he
might
have
asked
more
questions
about
that,
but
I
couldn't
find
a
person
who
could
tell
me
the
answers,
but
it
was
approved.
A
K
A
B
K
B
K
B
A
L
We
can
bring
that
back
formally
on
the
agenda,
if
need
be,
but
it's
possible
to
add
that
now
for
discussion,
it's
does
so
the
general
plan
annual
review.
We
typically
will
do
a
study
session
on
the
report
and
reporting
out
how
we're
doing
and
implementing
the
general
plan
and
its
major
strategies.
The.