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City of San José, California
Public Safety, Finance & Strategic Support Committee of May 20, 2021
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Okay,
this
takes
us
down
to
our
consent,
calendar
and
I
don't
see
any
hands
raised
and
let
me
pause
for
a
second
anybody
who's
in
our
public.
That
wishes
to
comment
on
any
items
today,
if
you're
on
zoom,
you
can
raise
your
hand
if
you
are
calling
in
by
phone,
you
can
press
start
nine
and
then
we're
on
our
consent
item
right
now,
and
so
I
don't
see
any
hands
going
up.
So
if
we
can
get
a
motion
in
a
second
to
approve
the
consent.
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Hi,
laura
beekman
here
boy.
Thank
you
for
seeing
my
hand
raised.
I
just
wanted
to
apologize.
I
guess
for
I
I'm
having.
I
am
a
bit
inexperienced
with
budget
issues
and
I
I
got
a
lot
of
budget
issues
last
week
and
that
I'm
learning
about,
I
gave
some
interpretation
of
those
budget
pages
that
were
not
fully
correct
and
I
was
a
bit
rebuked
by
the
mayor
late
tuesday
evening
and
it
hurt-
and
I
guess
I'm
learning
my
lessons
from
that.
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G
So
during
this
june,
during
the
meetings
in
june
and
august
of
2020,
what
the
administration
did
was
collected.
The
council
direction
provided
to
the
city
manager
into
one
tracking
document
now
known
as
the
police
reforms
work
plan.
This
work
plan
is
overseen
by
our
assistant
city
manager,
jennifer
mcguire,
and
the
purpose
of
this
work
plan
is
to
track
the
progress
in
implementing
council
direction
and
to
keep
the
council
and
public
updated
on
staff's
efforts.
G
G
That
is
transparent
yields,
high
participation
from
all
sides
of
the
issues
and
build
strong
sustainable
relationships
and
partnerships
between
community
and
police
and
the
last
one
was
more
of
a
process,
one
which
is
generate
recommendations
that
would
enable
the
vision
of
community
safety
pass.
Those
on
to
the
mayor
and
council
for
action.
G
So
after
receiving
you
know
this
council
direction,
we
did
convene
this
community
safety
advisory
group
with
broad
representation
from
community,
including
faith
leaders.
Social
justice
advocates
leadership
within
communities
of
color,
criminal
justice
experts,
police
representation,
private
sector
representatives,
youth
representation
and
neighborhood
representatives,
among
others,
staff
assembled
an
advisory
group
based
on
those
criteria
and
a
broadly
representative
group
was
established.
It
met
for
the
first
time
on
march
18th,
it
held
two
subsequent
meetings
on
the
ninth
and
the
22nd
of
april.
G
The
group's
first
two
meetings
were
introductory
members
introduced
themselves
and
staff
presented
on
the
group,
scope,
proposed
methodology
and
other
guiding
values.
One
of
the
key
values
that
we
introduced
into
this
process
from
day
one
was
the
value
and
the
race
and
equity
lands
that
we
think
is
very
important
to
this
conversation,
namely
the
four
principles.
G
Centered
around
the
need
to
really
focus
this
work
and
hone
in
on
impact
and
outcomes,
to
look
at
data
and
analysis
to
to
center
this
work
in
community
voices
and
lived
experiences
and
to
establish
a
method
of
accountability
around
this
work.
Questions
and
concerns
about
the
group
scope
were
raised
during
these
meetings.
The
third
meeting
occurred
a
few
days
after
the
verdict
in
the
george
floyd
murder
trial.
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G
No
doubt
about
that.
We
don't
capture
all
of
the
opinions
here,
but
these
are
the
main
things
that
we've
heard
from
the
group.
The
concerns
expressed
in
the
first
two
bullets
regarding
scope
and
autonomy
were
key
concerns
of
those
who
resigned
the
group's
scope
and
autonomy,
also
implicate
council
direction,
so
staff
is
limited
in
how
we
can
respond
to
these
issues
without
additional
council
guidance.
G
The
last
three
bullets
are
also
areas
of
strong
interest
for
many
advisory
group
members
staff
believes
these
concerns
can
be
addressed
within
the
current
council
direction
through
focused
and
collaborative
work
between
staff
and
the
advisory
group
from
here.
We'll
take
a
look
in
greater
detail
at
the
issues
of
scope
and
autonomy.
G
We've
heard
three
main
areas
of
interest
from
the
advisor
from
advisory
group
members
shown
here.
Many
members
are
interested
in
finding
you
know.
The
first
general
theme
is
is
there's
a
very
strong
interest
in
finding
alternative
ways
to
respond
to
issues
that
currently
fall
to
to
the
police.
This
work
is
clearly
within
the
scope
of
the
current
council
direction,
a
lot
of
strong
interest
in
really
taking
a
look
at
finding
alternatives
to
doing
this.
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G
Any
effort
to
change
the
police
service
model
and
move
some
responsibilities
out
of
the
department
wherever
applicable.
Neighborhood
safety
is
a
key
priority
for
many
of
our
advisory
group
members.
We
heard
loud
and
clear
from
various
neighborhood
residents
that
they
they
really
want
to
make
sure
that
we
focus
our
time
and
efforts
into
ensuring
better
safety
in
their
respective
neighborhoods
and
any
changes
in
service
model
you
know,
wouldn't-
should
include
them
and
their
perspective
in
that
work.
G
The
question
of
the
group's
relationship
with
the
city
and
the
degree
of
leadership
from
advisory
group
members
has
also
been
a
key
area
of
concern.
There
are,
there
are
differences
of
opinion
among
advisory
group
members
on
this
point.
Some
are
supportive
of
maintaining
the
group
as
a
city
established
body
with
with
modifications
to
its
structure
that
give
advisory
group
members
a
stronger
hand
in
leading
the
group,
such
as
through
establishing
a
steering
committee.
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G
They
are
concerned
that
the
process
not
be
checked
or
filtered
by
the
city,
manager's
office
or
any
other
elected
official
or
the
police
department,
and
so
along
these
lines,
some
have
requested
that
the
police
department
not
be
involved
in
the
process
and
again
these
are
varied
perspectives.
There
are
those
that
feel
very
strongly
that
the
police
department
should
not
be
a
part
of
this
conversation.
G
There
are
others
that
feel
the
exact
opposite
that
they
should
be
part
of
this
conversation
staff
would
need
additional
council
direction
to
participate
in
a
process
that
is
autonomous
from
the
city
or
that
did
not
include
the
police
department.
If
the
city
were
to
become
involved
in
a
in
an
autonomous
process,
work
would
need
to
be
done
on
how
the
city
would
be
involved
in
terms
of
staffing
or
funding
in
terms
of
some
next
steps.
G
G
You
know,
given
the
mixed
views
on
whether
police
should
be
involved,
is
you
know
what
is
council's
interest
in
either,
including
or
excluding
police
in
all
or
some
of
this
process?
Those,
in
our
opinion,
are
the
the
three
key
decision
points
that
we
would
need
to
further
vet
and
clarify
in
order
to
really
scope
this
out
in
an
effective
manner
and
move
forward.
So
as
far
as
next
steps,
you
know
we
have
this
update
to
piss
fizz.
G
You
were
asking
that
this
would
be
cross-referenced
to
the
june
8th
meeting
to
the
to
the
full
mayor
and
council
and
then
based
on
the
council
direction
that
we
received
here
and
there
we
would
work
collaboratively
to
to
develop
a
revised
project.
Work
plan
timeline
budget
as
needed.
So
that
concludes
the
formal
presentation
and
we're
available
for
me
for
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
D
Thank
you
very
much,
and
I
know
at
times
for
people
that
are
first
commenting
here
in
the
committee
when
they
hear
pizz
fizz.
I
know
when
I
heard
of
it
they
think
of
maybe
like
a
candy
or
something
like
that,
but
that
sorry
for
for
anybody
that
that's
just
our
acronym
for
this
committee-
the
public
safety,
finance
and
strategic
support
committee,
but
we
use
that
pisviz
acronym,
often
and-
and
we
use
a
lot
of
acronyms,
often
unfortunately,
that
can
be
confusing
at
times.
C
Good
afternoon,
members
of
council
and
other
other
folks,
my
name
is
ponchibot.
I'm
the
executive
director
of
sacred
heart
community
service
and
also
a
member
of
the
race
equity
action
leadership
coalition,
that
of
which
several
members
have
been
were
tapped
to
participate
in
the
advisory
group.
The
I
think
you
heard
from
from
angel
about
the
about
the
nature
of
why
folks
left
the
process,
but
I
think
there
was
there
are
a
couple.
C
Other
things
I
just
want
to
emphasize
was
a
sense
of
urgency
on
the
part
of
our
administration
and
our
and
this
in
the
city,
leadership
to
actually
address
these
issues,
which
are
absolutely
critical
not
only
now,
but
actually
moving
forward.
We
were
nearly
a
year
removed
from
from
the
murder
of
mr
floyd
and
the
and
the
actions
of
other
communities
around
the
country
have
actually
far
outpaced
what
we've
been
able
to
do
over
the
last
year
in
part,
because
we
have
had
some
of
this.
C
The
same
kind
of
infrastructure
with
like
an
office
of
racial
equity
and
other
things
that
have
been
established
this
year
and
waiting
for
the
selection
of
the
new
chief
to
actually
proceed
actually
going
through
this
process.
There's
a
great
deal
of
frustration
around.
How
can
we
move
forward
with
this
and
identify
these
alternatives
to
policing?
C
We
want
to
support
the
strong
recommendation
because,
as
we
open
up
the
conversation
around,
what
does
community
safety
look
like
the
need
for
including
police
accountability
and
oversight,
as
part
of
the
scope
of
of
some
kind
of
a
process
is
really
critical.
There
is
a
desire
on
the
part
of
members
of
the
larger
coalition
that
we
have
direct
access
to
the
council
and
being
able
to
talk
about
the
about
these
issues.
C
So
working
with
the
administration
is
fine
for
vetting
and
developing
proposals,
but
also
being
able
to
make
sure
that
whatever
is
developed
through
a
community
process
can
be
directly
taken
to
this
committee
and
to
members
of
the
council
to
be
able
to
further
support,
and
we
do
believe
a
hybrid
process
could
be
very
valuable
where,
where
leadership
from
the
community
is
guiding
the
process
with
administrative
data
and
other
support
from
city
administration.
Thank
you.
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C
C
We
demand
that
the
city
council
refund
our
communities
by
reallocating
funds
to
services
like
community
service
officers,
housing
for
the
unhoused
community
libraries,
wastewater
plants,
animal
shelters,
so
that
residents
can
get
the
help
that
they
need
when
they
need
it.
If
we
don't,
then
we're
gonna
lose
great
staff
to
our
to
other
municipalities,
have
difficulties
recruiting
folks,
and
those
of
us
who
live
here
are
going
to
suffer
even
from
from
even
more
thinly
staff
services
and
will
continue
to
distress
the
city.
Thank
you.
C
Hello,
it's
good
afternoon,
it's
nice
to
speak
to
all
of
you
today.
I
want
to
thank
you
all.
I
I'd
also
like
to
thank
angel
for
all
his
hard
work
on
the
presentation
and
on
on
this
process
thus
far,
and
I'd
also
like
to
thank
and
and
just
sort
of
second,
the
comments
of
my
colleagues,
poncho
and
derek
just
now
kind
of
saving
me
some
time
as
well
in
my
own.
So
as
you
you
may
know,
I
was
the
author
of
the
letter
of
exit.
C
If
you
will
of
several
of
the
organizations,
including
naacp
somos,
mayfair,
black
leadership,
kitchen
cabinet,
la
raza
lawyers,
la
raza,
roundtable
and
others,
and
the
same
group
of
folks
asked,
I
think,
out
of
a
genuine
good-faith
effort
in
this
process.
For
me
to
help
put
together
a
proposal
for
what
that
community-led
process
would
look
like
right.
C
So
out
of
continuity
and
fairness,
you
know
we
made
these
demands
and
and
and
those
demands
were
presented
at
the
press
conference
as
well,
and
I
think
out
of
of
good
faith
and
and
genuinely
wanting
to
contribute
and
make
something
happen
here.
This
is
the
effort
on
on
our
and
their
part
to
to
put
forward
what
that
might
look
like.
C
C
Wonderful
hello
and
thank
you
so
much
to
you
all
for
hearing
my
public
comment
today.
I
am
a
member
of
sacred
hearts,
racial
equity
and
community
safety
committee
and
a
resident
of
district
3..
I'm
calling
in
today
to
request
that
you
support
the
formation
of
a
blue
ribbon
commission
to
ensure
that
we
are
centering
the
voices
and
the
demands
of
the
community
members
directly
impacted
by
police
violence.
C
D
C
However,
as
has
been
discussed,
this
task
force
has
failed
and
the
members
that
have
left
are
in
support
of
fully
funding
a
blue
ribbon
commission
that
would
better
address
these
issues.
The
blue
ribbon
commission
can
provide
proposals
on
what
programs
and
services,
as
well
as
the
city
workers
who
provide
them,
need
and
fair
and
equitable
funding.
That
makes
us
truly
safe.
C
I'm
curious
how
you
could
truly
re
reimagine
public
safety,
if
you
don't
include
police
reforms.
If
public
safety
is
a
priority
for
you,
then
you
should
transition
this
task
force
into
a
blue
ribbon.
Commission
led
by
community
members
and
expand
its
budget
we've
seen
that
reimagining
community
safety
is
possible.
For
example,
oakland
and
san
francisco
have
created
oversight,
committees
and
expanded
mental
health
response
systems
which
do
not
require
police.
C
La
denver,
portland
and
new
york
have
already
implemented
or
are
exploring
diverting
9-1-1
calls
for
mental
health
crisis
to
teams
of
medics
and
mental
health
professionals
instead
of
law
enforcement,
let's
protect
our
women
children
and
our
most
vulnerable
students
by
standing
up.
This
blue
ribbon
commission
to
truly
reimagine
community
safety
here
in
san
jose.
Thank
you.
H
H
What
I
call
healing
illusions-
I
don't
think
anything's
ever
going
to
really
materialize,
and
I
just
think
you
guys
could
take
a
page
from
the
county
what
they
were
able
to
do
kind
of
rehabbing
our
sheriff's
department,
getting
them
in
line
and
just
really
being
able
to
listen
to
the
public.
You
know
I
participated
in
the
blue,
ribbon
commission
just
being
able
to
voice
my
opinion
felt
like
I
belong
there
felt
like
things
were,
were
listened
to
and
that's
not
what
I
get
currently
out
of
the
city
of
san
jose.
H
H
He
did
this.
It
just
didn't
really
didn't
matter.
You
could
be
a
homeless
advocate,
you
could
be
the
head
of
the
naacp
eddie
just
blew
smoke
up
you
the
entire
time.
It
was
shocking.
I
sat
down
with
that
man
many
different
times.
I
sat
down
with
the
upper
brass
trying
to
get
them
to
implement
complaint
systems.
H
You
know
save
homeless
people's
property,
get
them
their
rvs
back.
You
know
protect
their
rights,
it
was
just
all
a
big
scam
and
at
that
time
that
records
department
was
ran
by
you,
chief
mata,
and
you
guys
implemented
a
policy.
That
said,
we
no
longer
issue
property
releases
and
it's
up
to
the
discretion
of
the
tow
companies.
These
tow
companies
are
crooks
chief
mata.
H
You
can
pull
the
permit
today,
they're,
providing
false
information
to
the
city,
the
county
via
subpoena,
and
you
need
to
do
the
right
thing,
I'm
just
so
concerned
this
isn't
going
to
pan
out.
We
need
a
blue
ribbon.
Commission.
I
think
that's
fantastic
and
start
getting
a
hold
of
all
the
other
community
members
that
garcia
burn.
I
think
it's
the
right
thing
to
do.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
C
I
C
C
I
D
E
E
I
was
invited
to
be
on
the
advisory
group
and
I
share
many
of
the
concerns
and
many
of
the
hopes
of
the
other
members
of
the
group.
I
I
want
to
thank
the
city
team.
I
I
think
that
you,
you
worked
hard
to
provide
space
for
as
many
voices
as
possible
and
as
recognized
that
that
was
going
to
be
difficult
and
it
was
difficult.
E
I
also
want
to
weigh
in
in
hope
that
some
something
reforms
and
there's
some
sort
of
collaboration
between
the
city,
the
police
department
and
the
community,
I
think
more
autonomy,
if
whatever
helps
leaders
in
the
community
feel
better.
That
would
help
this
group
run
more
smoothly,
but
I
also
think
it's
really
necessary
to
work
with
the
police
and
the
city
so
that
we
have
access
to
data,
especially
around
current
policies
when
current
police
department
policies,
whatever
whether
we
call
it
an
advisory
group
or
a
blue
commission.
E
I
especially
was
happy
to
see
that
someone
was
brought
on
to
represent
and
raise
awareness
about
the
intersection
of
disability
with
law
enforcement
and
how
children
with
invisible
disabilities
are
most
impacted
and
most
vulnerable
to
the
school-to-prison
pipeline.
So
I
look
forward
to
this
moving
forward
and
thank
you.
C
Hi,
you
all
hear
from
me
quite
a
bit
these
days
three
points,
I'm
one
of
the
50
members
on
this
reimagining
community
safety.
What
can
you
do
with
50
members?
It's
not
really
a
group
that
can
make
decisions.
I
would
suggest
multiple
focus
groups,
small
groups,
where
you
have
people
who
can
provide
input
and
be
heard
and
some
kind
of
steering
committee
then
then
make
decisions.
C
So
you
get
everybody's
voice
involved.
The
second
issue
has
to
do
with
the
reforming
policing.
You
may
be
aware
that
we
had
a
major
police
incident.
A
week
ago,
at
our
drop-in
center,
surrounded
by
police
cars
search
warrants,
issued
police
sneaking
on
our
site
to
arrest
somebody.
It's
not
how
bill
wilson
center
wants
to
work
with
the
police
department
in
some
ways,
if
we
can
reimagining
police
safety
with
bill
wilson
center,
we
can
solve
some
of
these
other
issues.
C
But
having
said
that,
when
you
brought
the
point
of
of
how
to
can
the
community
deal
with
public
safety
on
their
own,
I
had
a
call
right
after
I
spoke
to
the
city
council
from
somebody
in
japan,
town
that
are
doing
community
safety
patrols
with
seniors,
and
they
asked
us
for
training
on
de-escalation
tactics
and
also
on
mental
health.
First
aid.
Those
are
the
kind
of
things
I'm
talking
about.
The
community
wants
to
do
that's
easily
stuff
people
have
been
doing
for
decades.
C
It's
a
way
a
community
can
take
back
their
safety
and
be
involved
without
police
needing
to
do
this
work.
So
I
urge
you
to
put
some
money
behind
it
and
not
just
talk
that
you
may
do
it
you're
putting
money
into
every
other
category.
Give
it
a
bucket
of
money
saying
this
is
what
we're
going
to
put
as
a
starting
line
for
reimagining
public
safety.
A
Hi
blair
beekman
here
you
know
just
thank
you
for
your
patience.
In
putting
up
with
myself.
Over
the
past
few
weeks,
I've
been
trying
to
hammer
a
few
points
home
and
oh
my
gosh.
Everybody
is
here
today
you're
talking
about
a
great
item
and
as
city
government
it
is
inviting
you
know
the
the
the
good
people
of
our
community
to
you
know
and
yourselves
to
work
together
to
ask
questions.
A
You
know
like
the
most
important
questions
of
our
future,
our
real
future
reimagine
and
equity
and
defund.
Our
ideas
about
you
know
we're
addressing
the
prison
military
technology
industrial
complex
and
we're
at
a
time
to
question
its
future
to
honestly
question
it.
Thank
you
for
this
dialogue.
I
can't
say
that
enough
man,
this
is
just
awesome.
Thank
you
yeah.
So,
with
that
in
mind,
I've
been
trying
to
bring
up
over
the
past.
You
know
few
weeks
there
is
an
element.
A
There
is
a
component
that
there's
a
possible
natural
disaster,
worries
that
we
have
to
be
considering
in
the
next
few
years
in
san
jose
and
the
sfa
area.
I
hope
you
know
my
words
here
can
be.
I
don't
know
how
accurate
my
words
are,
but
if
they
are,
it
can
be
a
tool
for
all
of
us
to
to
make
this
subject
more
open
to
talk
about,
and
you
know
we
can
discuss
how
we
build
the
future
of
reimagine
at
this
time
with
possible
natural
disasters
coming
up.
A
It
allows
that
conversation
to
happen,
so
you
know
good
luck.
How
you
can
do
this
and
thank
you
I
I'm
I
I
think
we
can
do
it.
I
think
it's
a
conversation
that
can
actually
be
of
incredible
help
for
the
entire
bay
area
at
this
time,
and
what
we
do
here
can
have
a
great
help
for
other
bay
area
communities
at
this
time.
So
good
luck
in
all
of
our
efforts
and
what
we
developed
toward
the
ideals
that
I've
spoken
about
earlier.
Thank
you.
D
H
Sorry
about
that,
I
was
having
problems
on
youtube,
hello,
everyone
first
I'd
like
to
thank
angel
for
this
process,
which
takes
courage,
because
no
one
should
be
left
in
a
position
to
do
something
that
has
never
been
done,
particularly
in
our
political
environment
here
in
san
jose.
So
I
want
to
thank
him
for
his
attempted
leadership.
H
Second
point:
I
want
to
make
centers
around
the
catastrophe
and
failure
of
this
reimagining
process
and
I'd
like
to
say
thank
you
for
allowing
it
to
fail,
because
what
it
does
it
points
out
some
things
that
individuals
had
the
did
not
have
the
courage
to
create
a
a
narrative
that
gives
us
a
pathway
forward.
One.
The
city
council
has
to
be
able
to
name
the
issues.
H
So
if
I
were
to
line
up
city
council
one
by
one
and
ask
them
where
they
stood
on
anti-racism
being
able
to
name
anti-blackness
and
within
the
community
as
well
as
our
entire
bipod
community,
it
would
let
you
know
where
they
stand
relational
to
their
political
positions,
but
so
this
failure.
This
failed
process
allows
us
to
establish
the
political
collateral
for
the
council
that
are
preparing
to
move
forward
in
their
future.
H
H
Our
pathway
forward
must
be
having
a
true
narrative
that
has
a
courageous,
undertone
and
overtone
by
city
leadership,
to
name
why
we're
in
this
position
and
how
we're
going
to
move
out
and
the
best
way
are
these
individuals
that
are
part
of
the
cbo's
who
have
the
courageous
ability
to
connect
us
to
the
people
closest
to
the
pain.
So
I
hope
that
you're
listening
and
your
future
political
process
depends
on
this
and
we're
counting
on
you
to
do
the
right
thing.
Thank
you.
C
C
We
were
told
that
the
reimagined
community
safety
task
force
would
help
address
certain
problems
in
our
community,
but,
as
we've
heard,
a
lot
of
the
leaders
walked
away
because
of
a
lack
of
direction
and
a
lack
of
focus
on
police
reform
and
without
a
focus
on
police
reform.
How
can
we
make
the
changes
needed
for
our
communities
to
be
truly
safe?
C
C
B
B
They
at
jose
pd
likes
to
act
like
they're,
doing
you
a
favor,
even
when
they're
giving
you
a
traffic
ticket,
that's
illegible
by
the
way
you
know
not
only
do
they
not
know
how
to
turn
their
lights
on,
I
mean
their
headlights.
They
know
how
to
turn
the
lights
and
siren
on.
They
know
that
switch,
but
the
one
for
their
headlamps.
B
B
I
want
every
listener
to
look
up
what
san
jose
pd
officers
make
once
they've
got
a
little
bit
of
rank
or
some
hash
marks
on
their
sleeve.
These
guys
are
making
money.
Don't
you
know,
don't
think
that
they're
not
making
money-
and
I
mean
when
they
tell
me
that
they're
not
I've,
got
the
world's
smallest
violin
for
all
of
them.
Every
single
one
of
them,
they've
all
got
houses
in
tahoe
and
maui
yeah,
yeah,
they're
really
they're.
Really
it's
it's
hard
times
here
for
them.
B
Isn't
it
so
yeah
they
need
to
reimagine
how
to
treat
people
properly,
not
to
have
smug
and
arrogant
attitudes
and
learn
how
to
write.
You
know
these
guys,
don't
know
how
to
write.
They
don't
know
how
to
talk
either.
You
ever
ever
get
approached
by
a
cop
in
san
jose
when
they're
going
to
engage
you.
I
love
that
one
they're
engaging
me
id
a
dk.
What
the
hell
is
that
idk.
B
C
C
J
D
D
I
think
some
some
recommendations
that
they
may
want
to
bring
to
us.
So
I
think,
without
seeing
those
today,
we
can
provide
some
some
commentary,
but
I
think
those
would
be
important
for
the
council
to
be
able
to
take
a
look
at
and
staff.
Obviously,
before
the
june
8th
meeting,
so
then
that
way
we
can
decide
how
best
to
move
forward,
but
obviously
I
I
have
some
thoughts
as
well
that
I'm
happy
to
share
here
I'll
turn
it
over
to
my
colleagues
first.
J
Thank
you,
chair
and
angel.
I'm
sorry,
I
missed
your
presentation,
but
I'm
sure
you
did
an
amazing
job
presenting,
but
obviously
we've
had
angel
and
I
have
had
numerous
conversations
as
well
as
talking
to
the
community
and
is
evident
to
everyone
that
the
process
as
it
currently
is
designed
is
not
working.
J
The
a
clear
direction
would
be
to
separate
the
two
initiatives
so
reimagining
public
community
safety
is
one
initiative
which
we
gave
council
direction
to
pursue
and
police
reform
is
another
initiative,
so
they
should
clearly
be
separated
and
have
two
different
groups,
whether
we
call
them
a
blue
ribbon,
commission
or
advisory
committee
or,
however,
we
want
to
define
it.
They
need
to
be
two
separate
groups
with
two
separate
agendas
and
objectives
and
outcomes.
J
G
Yeah
yeah
vice
mayor,
so
so
the
structure
that
we
were
rolling
out
and
keep
in
mind.
We
were
only
at
meeting
three,
so
you
know
the
threshold
of
tolerance
for
for
that
was
was
pretty
pretty
short
right.
If,
if
we
were
going
to
be
perfectly
candid,
so
we
never
even
really
got
to
rolling
out
the
actual
process
and
structure
the
process
and
structure
that
we
had
intended
involved.
G
The
formation
of
a
steering
committee,
community-led
leadership
and
breaking
this
work
down
based
on
themes
that
the
advisory
group
self-identified
right,
we
didn't
want
to
lead
or
prescribe
the
working
areas
right,
and
so
that
was
that
was
the
preliminary
thinking
in
terms
of
some
of
the
feedback
around
other
models,
whether
it's
a
blue,
ribbon,
commission
or
or
a
fully
autonomous
group.
I
think
that
can
work
too.
G
You
know
I
I
really
do
if,
if
it's
facilitated
the
right
way
and
if
it's
it
and
if
it
involves
the
right
stakeholders,
I
think
that's
an
equally
great
approach
right.
I
think
what
we
would
have
to
really
determine
is
what
is
the
connection
between
this
autonomous
group
and
the
city,
especially
as
it
relates
to
ultimate
recommendations
being
formed
and
then
ultimately
presented
to
the
baron
council.
You
know:
is
it?
Is
there
any
parameter
set
on
that?
Are
there
none?
What
is
the
focus
even
within
police
reform?
G
100
percent,
whether
it's
the
city
process
that
we've
designed
or
whether
it's
a
blue
blue,
ribbon
kind
of
fully
autonomous
group
and
then
the
second
one
is
that
this
this
work
also
be
rooted
in
the
actual
needs
of
residents
that
live
here
in
san
jose
that
are
especially
in
areas
that
are
that
are
very
impoverished
and
dealing
with
a
lot
of
high
crime.
We've
we've
heard
that
loud
and
clear
from
residents
that
they
want
to
make
sure
that
this
captures
their
voice
as
well.
G
Many
feel
that
it's
not
capturing
their
voice
sufficiently
so
right
now
those
are
kind
of
the
two
options
that
have
emerged.
This
autonomous
group
oakland
has
a
semi
autonomous
group
austin
same
thing.
I
think
it
just
really
comes
down
to
how
you
define
people's
roles
and
whether
by
autonomous
we
mean,
is
there
a
you
know
a
budget
attached
to
it
or
not?
What
is
the
leadership
structure?
What
is
the
decision-making
structure
and
ultimately,
what
are
the
end
outcomes
of
the
group?
J
G
J
Is
there
a
potential
to
set
unrealistic
expectations
in
terms
of
whatever
recommendations
come
out
of
that
blue,
ribbon,
commission
or
steering
committee?
That
would
not
be
easily
adopted
by
or
have
a
positive
reception
by
the
city
receiving
those
recommendations
and
the
viability
of
implementing
those
recommendations?.
G
Yeah,
I
I
think
this
is
a
real
touchy
subject
and,
and
one
of
the
things
you
know
we
have
reached
out
to
austin
we've
reached
out
to
oakland
we've
reached
out
to
atlanta.
We've
talked
we've
talked
to
a
number,
a
number
of
cities
that
are
doing
this
work,
and
and
and
actually
it's
not
a
whole
lot
of
cities
that
are
doing
this
work
and
and
because
this
is
very
difficult
work
right.
G
In
terms
of
how
that
relationship
takes
place
and
plays
itself
out
in
everyday
life,
really
should
involve
the
very
the
the
very
people
that
would
have
to
be
implementing
this.
And
so
we
we
have
heard
that
loud
and
clear.
From
all
those
other
cities
that
you
know
it
is
very
important
to
do
it
and
in
fact,
we've
we've
also
been
advised
strongly
to
the
effect
of.
If
you
exclude
police,
then
that
actually
hinders
the
ability
to
implement
good
cultural
change.
G
J
J
F
I
also
I
can
understand
the
dynamics
around
maybe,
and
I
don't
think
we've
fully
vetted
out
exactly
what's
been
said
as
it
relates
to
or
the
pushback
as
it
relates
to
police
involvement,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
their
involvement
would
be
important.
It's
just
more
discussion
around
what
the
role
is
right
and
and
how
they
would
be
utilized
through
the
process.
I
I
so
anyway,
I
see
value
in
that
you
know
angel.
F
I
just
had
a
few
questions
around
if
you
can
take
me
through
to
help
me
understand,
because
I
you
know
I
haven't
been,
I
wasn't
following
these
meetings,
these
three
that
have
occurred
or
two
that
have
occurred.
I
wasn't
watching
them,
I
didn't
have
staff,
you
know
watching
them
all
that
closely
and
that's
assuming
you
know
they
were
open
to
the
public
and
and
they
were
televised
or
whatnot-
I'm
not
even
sure
about
that.
G
We
also
felt
very
strongly
that
just
given
the
chain
of
events
that
have
been
happening
all
around
us
nationally,
statewide
in
here
in
our
local
city,
that
we
had
an
opportunity
to
really
address
some
of
this
issue,
some
of
these
issues
in
in
a
way
that
leads
to
transformative
change,
and
that's
really
the
spirit
that
we
brought
to
this.
We
also
knew
that
we
needed
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
right
voices
around
the
table.
G
We
also
knew
we
were
taking
a
big
risk
with
having
such
a
big
group,
but
you
know,
keep
in
mind,
you
know
what
what
what
never
materialized
and
was
definitely
literally
the
next
thing
was
we
weren't
going
to
be
meeting
with
46
individuals
at
one
time.
Anybody
knows
that
running
the
median
of
that
size
is
just
ineffective
and
inefficient
right
you
got
to
you
know
you
got
to
give
us
the
benefit
of
the
doubt
to
know
that
we
know
we
know
better
than
that.
G
You
know
anecdotes
to
kind
of
formulate
the
actual
working
groups
that
we
would
then
break
up
into
right,
and
so
that
was
the
actual
thinking
we
never
got
there
because
by
the
third
meeting
you
know
the
the
interest
to
really
address
police
reform,
and
I
totally
understand
it.
It
is
a
valid
concern.
I
I
you
know.
I
understand
that,
but
but
but
from
day
one
it
was
not
about
leading
with
police
reform.
G
It
was
about
really
taking
advantage
of
the
opportunity
to
how
can
we
enhance
community
safety
and
find
alternatives
now
again.
At
the
same
time,
we
heard
loud
and
clear
that
well
before
we
even
have
that
conversation,
we
want
to
address
police
reform,
and
I
respect
that
view,
and
I
respect
that
perspective
and,
and
so
so
over
the
so
the
first
two
meetings,
really
it
was
it
was
about
grounding
the
group
it
was
about.
We
spent
time
really
listening
to
folks
in
terms
of
what
does
reimagining
mean
to
them.
G
We
didn't
go
into
this
with
any
prescribed
notion
of
what
this
should
be
and,
and
it
was
really
around
tapping
into
the
expertise
of
this
group,
so
that
we
could
begin
to
define
and
draft
a
shared
vision
of
community
safety
and
then
within
that
that
the
findings
of
that
was
going
to
drive
the
structure
around
how
we
do
our
work
together
over
the
next
six
months,
leading
to
recommendations
to
the
maryland
council
at
the
third
meeting,
and
again
this
is
in
context,
is
everything.
This
is
a
couple
of
days
after
the
verdict.
G
G
F
And
just
to
your
point
about
the
the
diverse
perspectives
colliding,
I
think,
with
a
topic
as
dynamic
as
this
and
as
important
as
this
right.
I
think
you
know
I
I
don't
think
that's
necessarily
a
bad
thing.
You
know,
I
think
this.
I
think
it
was
about
mlk,
who
talked
a
little
bit
about
this,
this
tension
that
exists
right
and
it's
not
always
necessarily
bad
tension
right.
It's
tension,
that's
necessary
to
start
moving
things
forward,
and
so
I
think
it's
very
relevant
to
the
space
right
that
people
are
gonna
feel
uncomfortable.
F
People
are
gonna,
go
to
their
sort
of
their
their
their
sides
of
the
room.
If
you,
if
you
will
and
go
to
the
corners,
and
so
I
wasn't
surprised
to
hear
that
I
was
surprised
more
than
anything
just
on
you
know,
it
didn't
seem
like
this
was
going
on
these
meetings.
That
is
that
we
had
many
of
them
and
then
in
in
a
sense
you
know
public
from
the
public
sort
of
eye.
It
fell
apart
right
and
so
the
other
question
I
have
is
is
there
were
many
signatories
to
some.
F
F
G
Yeah
so
so
of
members
of
the
advisory
group-
and
I
may
be
off
one
or
two
about
16
of
the
members-
officially
resigned
whether
it
was
through
the
initial
letter
now
there's.
There
was
also
many
more
signatories
to
that
second
letter
like,
for
example,
the
letter
written
by
poncho
in
his
organization.
There
were
five
members
of
the
advisory
group
that
signed
that
letter.
The
other
signers
were
not
on
the
advisory
group,
but
they
were,
but
they
signed
on
in
in
solidarity
right,
okay,
so.
F
Okay,
all
right
and
does
it
does
it
make
sense
just
going
back
to
councilmember
vice
mayor
jones's
comments
to
bring
back.
You
know
when
this
comes
back.
I
think
on
june,
8th
or
whatever
that
date
is,
you
know
separating
it
and
creating
two
tracks
essentially
does.
Does
that
make
sense
to
you
or
do
you
expect
that
you
know
some
of
the
folks
and
concerns
that
you've
heard
from
some
folks
that
that
is
not
going
to
be
well
received,
or
do
you
think
that
that
makes
sense.
G
G
The
scope
of
it
is
so
important
because
even
within
those
groups,
and
even
within
those
perspectives,
and
even
with
the
remaining
advisory
group
members
which,
which
you
know-
and
I
would
say
you
know,
there's
probably
a
group
of
over
20
that
have
also
made
it
very
clear
that
look.
They
completely
appreciate
and
understand
the
importance
for
police
reform,
but
they
want
to
make
sure
that
their
neighborhood
issues
are
addressed
and,
although
they
they
sympathize
and
empathize
with
police
reform,
the
need
for
police
reform.
G
They're,
basically
saying
I
want
to
talk
about
the
lighting
in
my
neighborhood.
I
want
to
talk
about.
You
know
the
guns,
the
gunshots
that
are
going
off
at
three
in
the
morning
in
my
neighborhood,
and
I
want
to
talk
about
my
kid
who
strung
out
on
drugs
and
what
are
we
gonna
do
about
it
and
and
so
we're
having
to
reconcile
those
very
divergent
perspectives.
G
And-
and
you
know
what
and
and
and
both
perspectives
are
right,
because
we
have
to
address
police
reform
and
we
also
have
to
address
issues
of
neighborhood
safety
right
and
look
at
things
differently.
One
thing
I
did
not
say
in
my
in
my
my
presentation
that
I
probably
should
have
you
know
in
hindsight-
is
that
you
know
you
know
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
we,
we
lean
forward
around
re
even
renaming
this
around
reimagining
community
safety
versus
reimagining
public
safety,
is
that
we
we.
G
We
feel
that
in
addressing
issues
of
community
safety,
we
don't
always
have
to
lead
with
a
police
response.
They
def.
It
definitely
should
include
a
police
response
in
terms
of
the
the
overall
you
know,
police
or
or
or
public
safety
strategy
right.
You
know
somebody
shoots,
somebody,
god
forbid
or
whatever.
G
There
needs
to
be
a
response
with
high
level
crime,
but
there's
a
lot
of
other
work
that
can
be
redirected
if
we
just
do
things
differently
right,
and
that
was
really
the
thinking
and
the
spirit
for
entering
this
work,
but
again
three
meetings
into
it.
The
the
demand
for
police
reform
just
outweighed
any
other
intention.
F
Yeah.
Okay,
thank
you
for
all
that
I
appreciate
it
and-
and
I
think
what
you
just
described
is
that
that
tension
within
some
of
these
communities
right
and
and
and
they're
all
around
the
city
right,
whether
it
be
roundtable
whether
it
be
cadillac,
is
you
you?
You
got
folks
and
I
suspect
most,
if
not
all
the.
F
I
think
the
whole
council
agrees
with
this
and
I
think
it's
very
logical
and
reasonable
to
think
that
we
need
police
police
serve
a
purpose
right,
but
also
you
know
want
we
we
as
a
community-
and
I
think
us
as
council
members-
want
things
to
be
done
in
an
open,
transparent
way
and
where
folks
that
are
doing
wrong
things
as
if
they're
police
officers
that
they're
held
accountable
right.
So
that's
where
that
conversation
about
police
reforms
comes
in
and
that's
where
that
challenge
and
that
and
that
tension
exists.
F
I
guess
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
would
be
helpful
when
you
bring
this
back,
because
I
imagine,
based
on
some
of
this
input,
is
it
safe
to
say
you
may
have
like
a
supplemental
memo
or
something
to
go
forward.
Assuming
you
even
get
some
of
the
recommendations
from
some
of
the
groups
that
are
putting
out
sort
of
ideas
as
well,
is
that
safe
to
say.
G
I
really
think
the
next
few
days
the
next
week
will
be
really
important
right.
This
is
important
work,
we're
all
committed
to
it.
There's
great
community
passion
around
this
and
it's
work
that
needs
to
get
done,
but
yeah.
I
would
say
that
there
probably
would
be
either
a
supplemental
or
at
least
some
recommendations,
some
models
that
the
council
can
can
consider.
F
What
are
things
that
are
sort
of
prohibited,
given
current
laws
that
prohibit
us
from
going
down
certain
paths
right,
and
so
I
think,
creating
that
delineation
as
to
what's
possible.
What's
not,
I
think,
is
a
good
to
a
certain
extent,
a
good
frame
of
reference
for
us,
as
as
it
relates
to
the
guard
rails,
that
are
there
right.
F
F
That
may
be
helpful,
and
so
I
think
that
balance
is
going
to
be
important
right
what's
possible
and
also
matching
that,
with
with
letting
folks
run
wild
as
it
relates
to
ideas
and
things
of
that
nature,
so
I
think
that's
going
to
be
challenging
with
that
in
mind.
One
of
the
questions
I
have
is:
can
you
tell
me
a
little
bit
about
like?
I
know
the
blue
ribbon?
Commission,
I
know
that's
been
thrown
out.
I
think
even
vice
mary
jones
mentioned.
That
would
would
that
what
would
that?
F
How
would
that
be
formed,
and
would
that
take
like
a
majority
vote
of
the
council
or
if
you
can
share
your
experience
around
that
angel?
I
know
you've
been
in
the
city
a
little
while
and
you've
probably
seen
some
of
these
come
and
go.
I
know
the
purpose
of
them
and
you
know
they
typically
tackle
a
particular
question
and
they're
charged
with
with
really
investigating
things
and
coming
forward
with
recommendations.
But
can
you
touch
on
how
that
would
work.
G
Yeah
yeah,
in
that
scenario,
and
and
I'm
not
100
clear
on
all
the
details,
but
that
that's
basically
a
process
that
the
county
ran
with
respect
to
the
sheriff's
department
and
and
and
that
was
a
community
driven
process,
a
self-designated
or
or
a
identified.
It
was
run
and
facilitated
by
community
leadership.
G
They
they
had
access
to
a
consultant
that
that
assisted
with
with
not
only
running
the
meetings
but
but
you
know
providing
any
information,
and
so
that
that
is
one
of
the
models
that
has
been
presented,
and
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
it
can
be
a
good
model
all
right.
You
know
it
can
be
a
good
model.
If
you
bring
the
right
people
around
the
table,
have
the
right
conversations.
G
I
do
think
there
does
need
to
be
some
level
of
of
without
without
setting
parameters.
That
would
you
know,
you
know,
restrict
conversation,
because
I
think
that
wouldn't
be
a
good
thing,
but
I
think
there
does
need
to
be
kind
of
a
managing
the
expectation
as
to
what
type
of
recommendations
would
eventually
evolve,
because
one
of
the
things
that
austin
and
oakland
and
atlanta
and
all
these
other
cities
that
have
been
you
know
you
know
referenced
earlier.
G
What
is
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
they're?
Having
is
you
know?
The
recommendations
that
are
coming
forward
are
really
good
recommendations,
but
not
all
of
them
are
financially
feasible
right.
You
know
and
that's
what
now
councils
are
grappling
with
in
terms
of
okay,
great
recommendation,
but
this
is
going
to
require
me
to
redirect
funding
from
you
know,
budget
a
to
budget
b
in
the
amount
of
x.
G
But
I
do
think
there
needs
to
be
some
level
setting
around
what
is
the
accountability
or
reporting
back
to
council,
perhaps
in
an
interim
fashion,
whether
it's
back
to
this
committee
or
or
or
to
the
full
council
and
then
secondly,
a
conversation
around
you
know,
what's
a
viable
recommendation
or
not
right,
otherwise,
you'll
have
a
lot
of
people.
That
invested
a
lot
of
time.
Only
to
find
that
you
know
their
recommendation
ultimately
may
or
may
not
get
funded
right
and.
F
Yeah,
well,
that's
why
I
think
it's
it's
important
whatever
process,
whatever
road
we
go
down
to
have
as
much
clarity
as
possible,
even
what
you
just
described
right.
I
think
sharing
something
like
that
and
like
look
we're
going
to,
let
you
run
wild
spitball,
throw
out
ideas,
irrespective
of
the
cost,
whatever
maybe
put
them
out
there,
and
in
the
end
it's
going
to
come
to
the
city
council
and
we're
going
to
evaluate
whether
well
one
can
we
do
this.
Can
we
afford
it?
Is
this
possible
things
of
that
nature?
F
I
mean
I'm
even
thinking
about
assuming
something
like
that
happened
and
we
formed
a
blue
room
in
commission
whatever
it
may
be.
I
think
what
would
be
interesting
to
me
is:
let
that
commission
or
body
run
wild
come
up
with
ideas.
They
submit
their
recommendations
in
a
document
right
saying
this
is
what
we
think
should
happen
here
in
the
city
of
san
jose
and
then
staff
then
provide
their
view,
as
it
relates
to
those
recommendations,
the
possible
challenges
or
opportunities,
and
that
that
would
include,
obviously
the
police
department's
perspective
as
well.
F
Right,
I
think
that's
important,
and
then
that
comes
to
us
and
then
we
conduct
a
full
evaluation
as
to
what's
possible.
What
do
we
think
is
worthwhile?
What's
important?
What
can
we
do?
You
know?
Can
we
alter
this
or
tweak
that
that
way
and
do
it
there,
and
so
that,
just
you
know,
just
thinking
off
the
top
of
my
head
seemed
to
seem
to
be
a
reasonable
sort
of
approach
to
this,
and
I
think
that
would
allow
one
folks
to
sort
of
have.
F
You
know
free
reign
to
really
just
brainstorm
as
to
what's
possible
right
thinking
about
what's
going
on
across
the
country.
Some
of
it
may
apply
some
may
not,
but
I
think
there
may
be
some
value
in
that.
So
those
are
all
my
questions.
The
only
other
thing
I
would
say
is
you
know,
I'm
looking
at
the
screen
in
the
hollywood
squares
that
is
zoom
and
I'm
seeing
chief
mata
there
sitting
very
quietly
and
I'm
wondering
chief.
F
You
know,
I
know
we
haven't
asked
you
any
questions,
but
is
there
anything
you
want
to
share
just
about
the
process
or
your
thoughts?
I
know
you're
not
new
to
the
department
but
new
to
the
role
and
wondering
if
you
wanted
to
share
anything
anything
you
wanted
to
say
here.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
council
member
yeah.
I
agree
with
everything
that's
been
said
is
that
we
need
to
involve
the
community
and.
F
I
I
In
this
conversation
and
as
council
member
jimenez
was
speaking,
I
was
reminded
about
the
process
that
we
went
through
as
council
members
in
advocating
for
race
and
equity
in
a
budget
that
integrated
race
and
equity,
and
if
you
I
know
you
all,
remember
that
we
took
a
stance
and
there
was
a
lot
of
that
tension
that
councilmember
jimenez
was
talking
about
and
it's
okay,
you
know.
Sometimes
we
have
to
have
friction.
Sometimes
they
have
to
have
this
tension
and
and
sometimes
there's
fallouts.
I
I
certainly
have
to
recognize
that
the
murders
across
our
nation
have
created
an
opportunity
for
us
to
have
this
conversation
in
a
way
that
our
nation
has
never
been
able
to
have
this
conversation
before,
or
at
least
maybe
another
point
of
time.
People
have
said
the
same
thing,
but
I
feel
like
we
are
turning
a
corner
around
black
and
brown
lives
and
and
how
we
live
in
our
communities
and
so
and
the
reason
I
was
bringing
this
up
is
because
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
all
of
the
voices
at
the
table.
I
I
think
it's
important
to
recognize
that
it
is
really
hard,
I
think,
to
to
to
carry
out
your
role
when
you're
the
one
who's
being
criticized
or
or
your
you
know,
your
role
is
the
one
that's
going
to
change,
and
so
I
think
it's
important
for
our
police
department
to
have
that
seat
at
the
table.
Now,
how
that
looks
like
is
a-
and
I
think,
there's
also
another
opportunity
for
some
listening
and
healing
sessions
that
I
I
think
you
know
looking
back.
I
We
can
always
say
we
should
have
cut
up,
but
I
I
think
our
our
city
missed
an
opportunity
to
have
these
healing
and
listening
sessions
city-wide,
so
that
we
can
so
we
could
process
some
of
those.
Just
incidents,
qualms
questions,
things
of
that
sort
and
and
some
of
those
listening
sessions.
I
don't
know
that
necessarily
would
have
to
involve
our
police
department,
and
so
since
that
is
missing,
I
feel
like
this
is,
is
is
rising
to
the
top,
because
we
haven't
really
asked
our
community
for
that
feedback.
I
I
I
know
that
for
me,
I
would
like
to
also
include
the
gear
process,
of
course,
in
in
this
in
either
one
of
these
processes
and
reimagining
the
police,
so
that
we
can
help
so
that
we
can
bring
our
community
along
in
race
and
equity
we
haven't
because
of
the
pandemic.
We
were
just
about
to
have
these
city-wide
conversations
on
race
and
equity,
but
we,
but
we
we
did.
I
We
did
nationally
because
of
some
of
these
incidents
and
some
of
these
young
folks
and
and
not
so
young
folks,
going
out
in
the
streets
and
protesting
giving
way
for
some
of
this
conversation.
So
I
I
don't
know
what
that
answer.
The
ideal
answer
is,
but
I
do
like
what
vice
mayor
suggested
is
to
bring
back
some
options
so
that
we
could
see
what
that
looks
like.
But
I
don't
want
our
options
to
be
independent
of
these
stakeholders.
I
I
I
don't
think
we
need
to.
We
can't
wait
any
longer.
We
just
can't.
We
need
to
continue
to
move
this
this
process
forward.
If
we
really
want
to
honor
the
engagement
of
these
stakeholders,
then
let's
honor,
what
they're
telling
us
and
let's,
let's
integrate
these
two
processes?
I
don't
and
even
though
I
agree
with
what
vice
mayor
jones
said
it
about
bringing
back
analysis
of
the
two
processes.
I
I
They
all
fall
under.
They
both
fall
under.
I
think
under
one
conversation,
and
I
think
reimagining
police
will
re-imagining
public
public
safety
will
have
many
sub-groups,
and
so
that
was
going
to
be
one
of
my
questions.
If
we
had
these
two
separate
processes,
if,
if
we
had
the
top
three,
I
don't
know
areas
of
concern
in
their
reimagining
public
safety.
What
would
those
be?
What
would
we
would
we
be
issue
based?
G
Yeah
yeah
councilman,
the
the
three
issues
that
have
really
emerged
is
really
around
police
accountability,
use
of
force
and
systemic
racism
within
the
police
department.
You
know
those
are
the
kind
of
the
three
themes
that
I
heard
right.
There
were
more
issues
that
were
raised,
but
those
are
the
ones
that
I've
heard
the
loudest
and,
and
the
more
of
you
know,
with
respect
to
the
the
use
of
force
and
21st
century
policing.
G
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
from
a
process
standpoint,
so
so
the
independent
police
auditor
is
leading
the
review
of
the
use
of
force
and
then
a
review
of
21st
century
policing.
What
we
did
was
we
did
draw
a
dotted
line
to
this
work
here
because,
as
you
mentioned,
it
is
interrelated,
and
so
the
thinking
was
that
we
would
tap
into
the
advisory
group
around
reimagining
to
help
inform
and
give
feedback
to
that
body
of
work
right.
The
use
of
force
21st
century
policing,
but
so
from
a
process
standpoint.
G
That's
how
the
administration
had
planned
on
kind
of
coordinating
and
working
that
out
together
now.
Having
said
that,
it
kind
of
goes
back
to
what
do
we
do
going
forward.
You
know,
I,
I
think,
the
the
good
news
in
this
overall
conversation
and
it's
been
a
difficult
one.
I
I
will
be
the
first
to
tell
you
that
it
has
been
a
difficult
one,
but
it's
an
important
one.
G
But
the
first
thing
I
would
say
is
that
the
the
the
leaders
around
the
table
are
want
to
see
transformative
change
right,
so
we
just
got
to
figure
out
what
is
the
best
avenue
to
get
there?
We're
approaching
this.
When
I
say
we,
the
city
administration,
is
approaching
this
from
a
perspective
of
not
so
much
trying
to
win
an
argument,
but
to
do
what
is
right
and,
and
which
is
why
we're
completely
open
to
an
autonomous
process.
I
I
do
think,
there's
an
opportunity
here
to
also
model.
G
Under
that
model,
you
could
potentially
also
bring
in
the
reimagining
conversation
as
well
in
terms
of
other
neighborhood
safety
issues
right,
so
I
don't
think
it
has
to
be
in
either
or
so
that
would
be
one
model.
The
other
one
is
to
bifurcate
them
and
kind
of
have
a
an
autonomous
process
that
is
going
to
focus
exclusively
on
police
reform
and
then
have
another
process
that
is
going
to
deal
with
the
more
immediate
neighborhood
community
safety
issues
and
alternatives.
G
But
we
I
will
say,
are
completely
open
to
all
ideas
right
now,
we're
we're
not
going
into
this
with
any
pre.
You
know
predetermined.
You
know,
structure
in
terms
of
how
it
should
look,
it's
more
important
for
us
that
our
community
comes
to
the
table.
We
want
them
back
to
the
table.
We
want
them
all
back
at
the
table
because
there's
important
work
to
be
done
and
we're
trying
to
put
our
egos
aside.
I
And
so,
as
you
were
talking
angel,
I
you
know
I'm
thinking,
I
don't
know
why
it
would
make
sense
for
a
staff
for
our
department
staff
to
carry
on
with
two
different
processes.
When
we
are,
you
know
when
we're
dealing
with
a
recovery
and
still
in
supporting
in
real
time
some
of
the
community
members
who
are
not
vaccinated
and
are
still
battling
covid.
I
Why
would
we
carry
on
with
two
different
two
separate
processes?
Why
not
take
advantage
of
the
resources,
and
so
you
know
that
that
is
an
avenue
that
I'd,
I
would
be
more
supportive
of
is,
is
to
integrate
all
of
these
conversations.
I
think
when
we
separate
our
conversations
this
way,
then
we
don't
get
the
richness
and
the
context
of
of
maybe
the
other
areas
that
folks
have
been
talking
about.
I
If
we
separate
them,
and
so
I
you
know,
I
really
am
going
to
go
for
for
for
integrating
this
this
path,
and
we
all
may
in
this
committee
feel
differently
about
it.
In
the
end,
I
think
what
we
need
to
do
is
really.
If
we
really
want
to
listen
to
our
community,
we
have
to
take
some
of
this
feedback
and
and
move
on
this
feedback,
as
as
with
their
guidance
and
and
direction
it,
and
so
the
the
the
last
piece
I
I'm
going
to
say
is
for
our
stakeholders.
I
I
I
I
want
to
share
so
that
I
want
to
share
that
that
we
have
I've
had
a
really
good
experience
with
our
police
department
around
the
area
of
sexual
assault
and
jennifer.
Mcguire
has
been
supporting
this
process
and
chief
mata
for
about
three,
maybe
four
years
now
and
and
it's
a
slow
process.
It
really
is
when
you're
creating
systemic
changes,
which
I
think
chief.
I
You
would
agree
that
some
of
what
we've
done
is
gonna
create
a
different
outcome
for
our
survivors
of
sexual
assault
and
intimate
partner
violence
that
these
conversations
sometimes
are
slow
and,
and
sometimes
we
just
really
need
to
break
down
what
these
processes
mean
for
each
other
and
and
agree
on
on
even
terms
and
definitions.
That
and
words
that
we
use
are
are
just
so
important
and-
and
I
think
that's
the
part
that
I'm
I'm
I'm
feeling
like
we're
missing
from
our
from
our
folks.
I
We've
skipped
over
a
conversation
around
race
and
equity,
and
I
don't
know
if,
in
lieu
of
all
the
protests
and
and
conversations
that
our
community
and
our
nation
has
been
having
on
social
media
on
tv
on
zoom
and
you
know
on
calls
or
whatnot
if
that
takes
the
place
of
what
we
were
originally
going
to
do
for
race
and
equity
in
which
we
were
going
to
pull
in
our
community.
To
talk
about
that,
so
all
to
say
that
one,
the
process
is
going
to
be
slow.
I
I
It
makes
sense
to
me.
It
makes
sense
to
me
and-
and
you
know
we
can
continue
to
take
a
look
at
what
those
two
viable
options
are.
But,
as
you
know,
as
we
were
carrying
on
angel,
I
just
I
think
I
landed
where
I
I
need
to
be,
and
that
is
in
an
integrated
conversation,
because
I
know
from
my
experience
with
our
our
police
department
and
when
we're
talking
about
sexual
assault
and
systemic
changes
with
the
county,
not
just
our
system,
but
the
county
system.
I
Everybody
was
around
the
table.
Our
stakeholders
were
around
the
table.
Our
survivors
were
around
the
table
and
our
police
department
and
our
detectives
and
our
units
were
around
the
table,
and
so
we
really
just
need
to
integrate
all
these
conversations.
Anyways
that
that's
that's
my
point
of
view
and
and
I'll
I'll
leave
the
emotional
to
our
chair,
which
I
think
we'll
have
the
final
final
word
here.
D
Thank
you,
councilman,
radenas
and
yeah.
Thank
you
to
staff,
for
the
presentation
and
to
all
of
our
speakers.
I
know
we've
lost
a
number
of
them,
but
thank
you
to
our
speakers
for
participating
and
as
well.
I
think
just
the
the
overall
idea
that
that
is
being
shared
and
thank
you
angel
for
for
making
that
clear
that
we
are
very
open
and
interested
right
in
in
continuing
the
conversation,
but
doing
so
with
everybody
back
at
the
table.
D
D
My
recommendation
is
actually
going
to
be
a
little
bit
or
what
I'm
going
to
ask
this
committee
to
move
forward
is
a
little
more
loose,
because
I
think
that
we
shouldn't
jump
to
any
real
conclusion
just
yet
on
how
we
should
move
forward.
I
think
we've
heard
that
we
have
some
stakeholders
that
are
meeting
next
tuesday
that
want
to
formulate
a
set
of
recommendations
to
be
able
to
give
to
us.
D
D
D
Can
everybody
see
the
screen
great
angel?
Can
you
walk
us
through?
This
was
a
slide
that
you
showed
at
the
last
meeting
there
when
you
were
trying
to
get
to,
as
you
said
it,
what
what
was
an
opening
discussion
meant
to
be
maybe
15
minutes
on
sentiment
around
the
the
the
the
verdict
in
the
murder
of
george
floyd,
that,
I
think
really.
There
was
only
maybe
one
or
two
sentiments
shared
in
that
regard
and
really
the
conversation,
spurred
as
you
point
out,
77
minutes
of
back
and
forth
dialogue.
D
At
the
end
of
that
meeting,
you
presented
this
slide
and
spoke
to.
I
think
that
you
know
what
you
felt
that
the
the
scope
of
the
advisory
group
work
was
gonna
be
and
to
what
councilman
ron
ennis
was
just
saying.
I
also
had
not
seen
the
police
reform
as
far
as
police
reform
use
of
force
21st
century
policing.
I
also
had
not
seen
that
as
something
that
was
outside
of
the
scope
of
this.
What
we
had
asked
for
on
reimagining
community
safety
task
force
or
advisory
group.
D
I
had
not
seen
that
as
separate.
I
had
seen
them
as
together.
I
also
will
add
that
in
my
original
memo-
which
you
did
point
to
in
your
memo
for
today's
item,
that
spoke
to
the
scope
that
you
feel
that
you
had
for
the
advisory
group.
I
felt
that
my
memo
gave
that
that
direction
and
latitude
might
not
have
been
explicit.
D
G
Yeah,
what
we're
what
we're
trying
to
describe
is
is
the
one
one,
the
council
direction
that
we're
operating
under
and
then
kind
of
the
structure
and
the
focus
of
this
work
and
how
it
intersects
right.
So
for
starters,
you
know
so
back
on
june,
9th
and
and
then
at
the
special
meeting
on
june
12th.
There
was
a
you
know.
G
How
do
we
broaden
this
conversation
to
look
at?
You
know
finding
alternatives
to
policing
as
we
look
for
options
around
neighborhood
and
community
safety
right
and
then
also
embedded
in
that
work?
Was
the
independent
police
auditor
received
direction
from
the
mayor
and
council
to,
among
other
things,
do
two
things:
one
complete
a
use
of
force
study
by
way
of
a
consultant
and
then,
secondly,
to
to
review
the
department's
compliance
with
or
adherence
to
21st
century
policing
strategies?
G
Well,
given
that
we
were
going
to
be
convening
a
broad
section,
a
broad
cross-section
of
the
community,
we
thought
well,
we
could
do
a
dotted
line
and
and
and
basically
have
the
very
people
the
advisory
board.
The
advisory
group
that
we
have
under
reimagining
also
inform
the
ipa's
work
in
those
two
areas:
use
of
force
and
21st
century
policing.
G
You
know
neighbors
that
were
basically
saying.
Look
I
understand
all
this
stuff
is
going
on,
but
man
there's
stuff
happening
in
my
own
neighborhood
right
now
that
we
need
help
with
so
what
we
attempted
to
do
was
really
kind
of
better
define
the
focus
of
this
work,
and
and-
and
that's
that's,
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
this.
To
add
more
clarification.
G
The
first
invitation
that
I
sent
via
email
to
every
member
of
the
advisory
group
had
those
four
goals
listed
in
there
and
so
from
day.
One
we're,
you
know
very,
very
clear
about
that.
At
the
same
time,
I
also
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
terms
here
and
there's
a
lot
of
it.
It's
it's
it's.
It
is
difficult
to
even
describe
that
internal
process,
and
so
I
also
can
understand
the
miscommunication
and
the
breakdown
there.
G
I
went
back
and
looked
at
kind
of
my
talking
points
in
terms
of
when
I
first
opened
up
the
the
first
session
and
again
I
I
did.
I
think
I
was
pretty
clear
on
setting
the
the
the
focus,
but
having
said
that
that
doesn't
change
the
fact
that
there
was
a
strong
interest
in
and
just
addressing
police
reform
more
head
on,
and
I
I
understand
it
and
respect
it.
D
G
D
You
know
were
going
to
be
just
those
two
areas
of
recommendation.
I
think
you
know.
Certainly
what
I've
heard
is
that
they're
they're
interested
in
you
know
doing
something
different.
Clearly,
that's
what
we're
here
today.
So
again,
I
I
think
I'm
not
completely
sold
that
that
this
has
to
be
done
as
two
separate
groups
or
conversations,
but
if
that's
ultimately
the
way
that
we
go,
I
I
I'm
fine
with
that.
D
I
I
would
like
to
hear
from
you
know
the
the
recommendations
that
are
gonna
be
coming
from
the
stakeholders
that
quit
that
are
meeting
next
tuesday
and
and
we'll
see
what
gets
brought
forward.
I
think
you
know
I
think,
as
councilmember
dennis
was
talking
about
as
well,
you
know.
Is
there
a
way
we
can?
D
You
know,
have
one
large
umbrella
or
overarching
effort
that
then,
in
and
of
itself,
as
you
were,
describing
earlier
angel,
maybe
could
have
a
subgroup
that
is
focused
on
police
reforms
either
way,
I
think
if
we
did
it
separate
or
if
we
did
it,
you
know
in
a
subgroup.
I
think
we
definitely
need
to
have
the
ability
for
them
to
for
our
community
stakeholders
are
participating
to
comment
on
everything,
not
just
you
know
the
21st
century
policing
use
of
force,
but
that
you
know
anything
as
councilmember.
D
Jimenez
was
saying
kind
of
throwing
it
all
at
the
table.
Right
and
and
and
everything
should
be
able
to
be
discussed
in
there.
We
that's
what
we
want.
We
want.
You
know
that
that
authentic
unsanitized
feedback-
I
know
that's
what
I'm
interested
in
and
I
believe
that's
what
my
colleagues
are
are
interested
in
hearing,
and
so
I
think
we
can
get
that
regardless.
If
we
ended
up.
D
D
So
we
may
talk
about
police
reforms,
and
those
reforms
may
have
implications
on
things
that
we're
talking
about
in
the
reimagining
community
safety,
or
they
will
have
implications
on
other
professionals
in
the
community
and-
and
so
I
think,
that's
where
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
overlap
already
and
so
either
way.
We're
gonna
have
to
find
opportunities
to
to
combine
some
of
those
efforts,
whether
they're,
again
they're
separate
conversations
or
separate
efforts
or
or
one
in
the
same,
and
let
me
get
to
some
of
my
other
notes
here.
D
D
The
likelihood
is
that
if
we
did
have
another
effort-
or
even
if
we're
just
you
know
restarting
this
effort
that
we
have
now,
there
may
be
a
need
for
more
resources,
especially
if
we're
going
to
change
how
we're
conducting
the
meetings.
If
it
is
more
like
a
blue
ribbon
task
force,
and
we
would
need
whether
it's
a
an
mba,
a
manager's
budget
agenda
or
or
some
effort
right
to
get
through
to
get
something
a
resource
in
the
budget
and
we're
also
waiting
on.
Maybe
this
feedback
from
stakeholders
next
week
is.
D
G
Yeah,
so
so
it
it
definitely
it's
definitely
a
big
lift,
but
I
I
do
think
june
8th
is
what
we
should
aim
for,
because
for
augment
the
reasons
you
mentioned
right,
I
mean
to
the
extent
that
we
could
work
anything
out
prior
to
the
adoption
of
the
budget,
and
then
we
can
incorporate
this
in
this
current
budget
year.
I
think
that
would
be
you
know
a
wise
approach
now.
Having
said
that,
you
know,
I
think,
a
very
important
next
step
really
comes
down
to.
G
I
think
three
things
one
is
if
we
could
get
kind
of
the
the
formal
direction
on
including
police
reform
in
this
body
of
work.
You
know,
I
think
that
would
be
very
important,
because
then
now
that
gives
us
the
latitude
to
then
negotiate
with
that
in
mind
right
specifically
and
then
and
then
secondly
get
a
recommendation
on
the
direction
around
the
involvement
or
not
of
police.
I
think
what
will
be
important,
because
those
are,
I
think,
those
are
two
of
the
biggest
kind
of
sticking
points.
G
Those
two
that
I
just
mentioned
and
then
the
third
one
really
as
the
next
step
is,
is
really
this
meeting
that
that
we
would
have
with
the
with
with
doctor
online
and
others
around
the
proposal
that
they
have.
I
will
tell
you
this
that
we
did
hold
one
meeting
with
with
mika
who
is
representing
the
black
kitchen
cabinet
and
the
naacp,
dr
wong,
from
san
jose
state,
who's
kind
of
has
kind
of
a
perspective,
around
organizational
structure
and
all
and
then
poncho
nevada.
G
Assuming
that
we
could
find
agreement
on
that
right.
I
don't
want
to
you
know.
I
I
don't
want
to,
you
know,
speak
for
any
of
these
other
groups
and
again
I
haven't
seen
any
of
the
proposal
that
that
that
that
bill
had
mentioned,
but
I
really
think
that's
a
key
next
step
and
depending
on
kind
of
what
that
looks
like
you
know,
we
may
be
able
to
iron
something
out
between
now
and
then
I
think
from
a
from
a
council
member
perspective
we
would
have
to
post
by.
G
C
C
Sure
that
it's
it's
maybe
revised
a
little
bit
on
the
agenda,
so
it
allows
for
this
conversation
the
direction
from
the
council.
One
thing
I
do
want
to
say
is
that
I
I
don't
want
the
budget
piece
totally
holding
back,
obviously
this
issue,
because
I
think
it's
going
to
be
late
for
the
budget
process.
The
mayor's
budget
message
will
have
been
released
and
things
like
that.
I
want
to
remind
the
community
members
that
you
did
approve.
I
put
in
a
request.
C
Last
fall
for
a
bucket
of
money
for
police
reforms
efforts.
We
you
approve,
we
already
had
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
this
effort,
but
you
approved
a
bucket
of
eight
hundred
thousand
because
of
some
of
the
more
complicated
things
coming
out
of
it,
some
about
we're,
probably
going
to
re-budget
about
700
000
of
that
money.
So
as
long
as
it's
reasonable,
I
would
probably
have
some
room
in
that
pot
to
get
going
and
we
could
always
come
back
as
part
of
the
annual
report
or
in
the
mid
year
to
for
any
other
needs.
C
But
I
think
we
have
some
room
in
there
to
to
as
long
as
again
within
a
reasonable
amount
that
that
hasn't
yet
been
needed.
We
we
are
going
to
be
using
some
of
that
money
for
the
the
the
racial
equity
training
of
the
police
department,
we're
going
to
be
using
some
of
that
money
for
the
body-worn
camera
on
it.
So
I
definitely
have
calls
and
needs
of
that,
but
there
some
of
them
are
going
to
be,
especially
like
the
body-worn
camera.
C
J
C
C
You
know
the,
for
example,
the
independent
investigations
of
police
misconduct
we're
using
that
for
that
consultant.
So
little
some
of
these
items
that
the
the
public
database
for
police
officer
actions
there
will
be
uses
of
it
along
the
way.
But
I
am,
I
am
going
to
be
recommending
through
the
budget
process
to
roll
over
about
700
000.
D
Okay,
good,
that
is
positive
yeah
I
mean
I
conversations
I
was
having
with
community
members
was,
was
that
we
had
had
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
this
process,
but
but
I
had
not
recalled
that
we
had
had
that
additional
money
for
police
reform
which
now,
knowing
that,
if
this
is
the
direction
we're
gonna
move,
is
to
include
that.
Then
we
would
have
those
resources
to
tap
into
as
well.
D
Yeah,
it's
the
key
decision
points
slide
and
I-
and
I
think
that
I
want
to
just
be
clear,
because
I
think
we
can
get
on
the
same
page
on
this
committee
and
that
would
put
a
recommendation
as
we
talk
about
this
as
a
full
council
in
june,
on
how
to
move
forward
yeah.
So
here
and
and
I'll
ask
my
colleagues
for
feedback
as
well.
But
I
don't
from
what
I've
heard.
D
I
don't
think
there's
any
of
us
on
this
committee
that
are
against
expanding
the
scope,
to
make
it
very
clear
that
police
reforms
and
that,
quite
frankly,
not
just
those
two,
not
just
the
21st
century,
policing
and
use
of
force.
But
police
were
formed
right
that
that
topic
in
and
of
itself
should
be
added
to
the
scope
and
then
number
two
we've
heard
a
little
bit
of
feedback
from
our
colleagues
here.
D
But
I
am
also
comfortable
with
the
idea
of
a
more
autonomous
group,
whether
it
resembles
like
a
blue
ribbon
test
or
blue
ribbon
commission.
But
I
do
think,
as
I
think
it
was
vice
mayor
jones-
was
pointing
out
no
matter
what
we're
going
to
have
to
have
some
kind
of
involvement.
There
there's
going
to
be
a
a
need
for,
for
you
know
the
city,
I
think
to
be
involved,
so
I
don't
know
if
fully
autonomous
right.
D
So
I
think
where
we
become
involved
is
with
what
we
were
just
talking
about
with
funding
support,
right
staff,
support
data
support,
and
all
of
that
sounds
to
me
like
it's
it's
you
know
it's.
It's
that
hybrid
mix
of
of
a
more
autonomous
effort
than
what
we
have
today
and
and
I'm
happy
to
take
feedback
from
my
colleagues,
but
I
I
would
I
would.
D
That
would
be
where
I'm
kind
of
would
be
aiming
towards,
and
then
I
would
absolutely
say-
and
I
heard
this
from
my
colleagues
too-
but
I'll
ask
for
reiteration
from
them.
I
absolutely
say
that
it's
it's
crucial
that
we
have
our
police
department,
part
of
the
process,
and
so
I
think,
if
we
can
get
on
the
same
page
on
those
three
topics
I
feel
like,
we
can
at
least
give
some
direction.
D
That
would
you
know,
answer
those
questions
as
we
come
to
the
full
council
and
be
able
to
talk
about
the
the
next
steps
and
get
a
couple
more
comments.
But
I
want
to
kick
it
over
to
my
colleagues
just
as
to
see
if
there's
any
input
on
on
where
we
all
stand
on
these
three.
You
know
key
decision
points
to
see
if
what
I
described
sounds
more
or
less
in
line
with
maybe
a
motion
somebody
could
make,
and
I
see
council
members
with
their
head.
I
I
The
group
could
be
completely
autonomous,
but
then
they
would
be
separate
from
the
city,
so
I
think
they
need
to
be
somehow
integrated
and
what
that
looks
like
I'm,
I'm
I'm
a
bit
open
on
that.
I'm
really
glad
to
hear
you
say
jennifer
that
there
was
some
funding
that
goes
along
with
this,
I
think,
is
absolutely
essential.
I
C
I
Thank
you.
I.
I
really
appreciate
that.
I
think
because
this
has
a
for
me,
but
a
bit
disjointed
I've.
I
forget
what
we've
contributed
and
and
I'm
gonna
blame
it
on
the
pandemic,
because
the
timing
and
my
memory,
it
just
feels
all
off,
so
it
would
be
great
to
have
it
all
in
one
place,
to
provide
direction
and
then,
lastly,
on
the
police
involvement,
I
do
think
that
it
is
appropriate
for
our
police
department
to
participate.
I
think
there's
moments
where
we
may
need
you
know
just
a
step
back.
I
Let's
have
a
a
bit
of
a
a
conversation
just
with
community
members,
but
I
think
for
the
for
the
most
part
and
for
decision
making.
I
think
that
our
police
department
needs
to
be
there.
It
is
going
to
be
uncomfortable,
I'm
not
going
to
say
it's
not
going
to
be
and
as
we
recognize
that
some
of
this
tension
it
might
get
resolved
at
the
end
of
this
process.
I
Hopefully
whenever
we
come
out
of
it
on
the
other
side
and
and
a
better
city
and
better
relationships
for
it,
and
so
I
do
think
that
our
police
department
needs
to
be
involved.
Now
to
what
level
I
think,
it's
up
to
our
committee
to
help
us
decide,
but
I
would
say
at
the
very
least,
maybe
in
some
of
the
sensitive
listening
sessions
that
or
I
don't
know
very
limited
number
of
sessions,
but
I
think
for
the
for
for
the
greater
part
of
the
process.
I
J
J
The
motivation
behind
my
recommendation
was
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
I
I
just
don't
know,
and
I
don't
know
what
that
looks
like.
So
I
I
believe
that
we
should
have
police
involvement,
but
I
really
don't
know
what
that
actually
looks
like
and
I
need.
I
need
your
help
and
your
team's
help
to
to
to
define
that
for
me
and
that
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
made
the
recommendation
as
far
as
being
locked
into
any
kind
of
framework,
I'm
not
locked
into
anything.
J
But
I've
seen
based
on
the
reaction
from
the
members
who
have
left
that
there
was
a
lot
of
disappointment
that
they
weren't
able
to
focus
in
on
some
of
the
key
areas
that
they
want
to
focus
in
on,
and
my
concern
is
if
we
have
a
consolidated
process,
that
a
lot
of
the
reimagining
community
safety
issues
and
concerns
will
not
be
addressed
and
they'll
be
kind
of
fall
by
the
wayside.
Because
of
these
other
priorities
that
that
members
would
have.
J
So.
I
just
want
to
have
the
opportunity
to
see
what
it
looks
like
and
that's
why
I
make
the
direction
request
to
have
staff
come
back
with
with
different
options.
So
I'm
going
to
make
a
motion
to
to
direct
staff
to
come
back
with
the
different
options
and
to
give
us
an
assessment
on
what
that
looks
like
if
we
have
a
an
autonomous
committee
or
a
blue
ribbon
commission,
or
if
we
have
a
steering
committee.
J
I
I
So
would
you
consider
it
asking
them
to
be
part
of
that
source
of
of
analysis
that
that
our
staff
connect
with
these
stakeholders
to
to
also
integrate
their
concerns
or
what
they've
experienced?
Some
of
these
folks
are
scholars
in
in
their
own
right.
Have
you
know,
merit
us
acknowledging
what
their
experience
lends
to
this
conversation.
J
I
will
challenge
one
thing:
I
haven't
heard
that
they
wanted
a
consolidated
process
that
incorporated
both
reimagining
community
safety
and
police
reform.
The
feedback
that
I
got
was
there
was
a
lot
of
disappointment
and
concerned
about
I'm
not
focusing
on
specifically
police
reform.
So
that
was
the
feedback
that
I
got.
I
And-
and
I
did
get
we-
we
are
not
asking
for
a
separate
process
for
the
two
parts,
so
I
think
it's
an
integration
of
of
the
two
areas
now
how
how
that
happens,
whether
it's
autonomous
or
how
it's
connected
to
the
city,
which
I
believe
you
know
connected
to
the
city
is-
is
the
best
option.
But
you
know
we
I
feel
like
that's
part
where
we
need
to
maybe
get
that
committee
feedback
or
stakeholder
can
feedback.
D
Okay,
great
and
we
do
have
a
second
and
and
then
I
don't
know
councilmember
jimenez
did
you
want
to
chime
in
on
these
three
topics?
That
angel
was
looking
for
some
feedback,
specifically
on
the
scope,
the
autonomy
and
the
the
police
involvement.
I
know
we
heard
a
little
bit
already,
but
if
you
wanted
to
add
anything
otherwise
I'll
I'll
pick
up
where
I
left
off.
F
Yeah,
I
don't
have
anything
to
add.
I
think
everything
that's
been
said.
You
know
I
I
I'm
general
I'm
in
general
agreement,
and
I
also
think
that
that
once
this
comes
back
to
the
full
council,
I
think
that's
we're
gonna
he'll
hear
just
diverse
perspectives
on
this,
so
I
I
I'm
not
interested
in
getting
too
prescriptive,
but
anyhow,
I
think
whatever
everything
that's
being
shared
is
is
important
and
has
has
value.
I
think.
D
Great
sounds
good
and
I
wanted
to
try
to
help
angel
right
as
he's
moving
forward
on
the
work,
and
I
will
actually
say
I
have
heard
conflicting.
I
think
interest
vice
mayor
jones
and
councilmember
arenas
from
how
individuals
want
to
move
forward.
I
don't
know
if
it's
necessarily,
you
know
really
in
conflict
as
much
as
it's.
Maybe
context
is
a
little
bit
confusing.
I
I
definitely
have
heard
that
there
is
an
interest
to
want
to.
D
You
know,
have
a
focused
conversation
on
police
reforms
and
not
necessarily
that
that
means
that
there
couldn't
be
a
conversation.
You
know
you
know
conjoined
in
in
reimagining
community
safety,
but
that
there
really
was
to
be
a
focused
conversation,
whether
or
not
that's
a
totally
separate
effort
or
it's
part
of
the
same
umbrella
effort.
I
think
there's
a
little
bit
of
confusion
there,
and
so
I
think
we
can
iron
that
out
and
we,
I
think,
we'll
get
some
feedback
from
the
stakeholders
as
they
meet
and
then
provide
us.
D
That's
that
feedback
hopefully
next
week,
and
so
I
can.
I
can
certainly
support
the
the
motion
as
it
as
it
is
to
go
forward
and
be
able
to
get
that
feedback.
I
do
think
it
is
important
and
angel.
You
have
heard
that
right
if
the
city
is
involved,
if
this
is
a
process
with
us
that
it
is
important
and
essential
that
our
police
department
have
a
role
in
that
process
again
I'll
reiterate
a
fully
autonomous
process
can
happen
without
the
city.
D
You
know
involvement
or
support,
and
if
somebody
wants
to
provide
recommendations
to
the
city
without
the
city
being
involved
without
the
police
department
being
involved,
nobody
can
stop
them
from
that
right
and-
and
I
think
the
council
would
be
happy
to
hear,
write
a
list
of
recommendations
that
somebody
would
provide
if
they
want
to
do
that.
But
I
don't
think
that's
you
know.
That's
our
interest,
certainly
not
my
interest
right.
That's
we.
We
started
down
this
process
last
year
because
we
wanted
to
be
engaged
with
our
community.
We
wanted
to
do
this
together
right.
D
D
It
sounds
like
right
as
you've
been
engaged
with
them.
Angel
we've
been
engaged
with
them
right
they're
here
they
came
here
today
to
this
committee
to
speak.
Clearly,
right
there's
an
interest
to
want
to
do
this
together,
and
so
I'm
you
know,
I'm
I'm
obviously
interested
and
excited
about
that
as
well.
I
wanted
to
point
out
a
couple
things
that
we'd
heard
and
just
speaking
to
the
importance
of
obviously
having
different
voices
and
being
able
to
have
some
of
that
information
at
the
table
as
we're
making
some
of
these
decisions.
D
It
might
have
even
been
last
month
but
where
today,
based
on
county
behavioral
health
protocol
over
90
percent
of
the
calls
that
they
respond
to,
they
go
with
an
officer
and
they
won't
go
unless
they
have
an
officer
with
them
and
that's
their
protocol.
So,
and
that's
again,
this
is
outside
of.
If
we
said
hey,
we
want
police
reform
in
this
regard.
Well,
in
this
case,
it's
not
police
reform,
it's
county,
behavior,
health
reform
and
it's
and
it's
working
with
other
partners.
D
Hence
why
we,
we
had
a
bigger
umbrella
in
the
first
place,
because
some
of
these
things
are
really
outside
of
our
wheelhouse.
But
I
would
say
it's
been
exciting
to
see
the
progress
since
last
year
that
we've
done
with
our
behavioral
health
and
mental
health
response
and
now
to
see
the
county
of
santa
clara
looking
at
they're,
basing
it
off
the
model
called
cahoots.
D
I
believe
it's
up
in
portland
or
seattle,
and
they
have
this
model
there,
where
they're,
sending
specifically
again
behavioral
health
professionals
and
only
medics
again
to
certain
calls,
but
that
that's
stuff
that's
happening,
and
it
is
happening
today,
regardless
of
this
task
force.
Work
was
my
point
was
that
we
don't
need
to
wait
for
this
advisory
group
or
this
task
force
to
bring
forward
recommendations
right.
D
We
we
don't
want
that,
and
so
I
think
that's
that's
important
and
and
and
one
other
example
before
I
go
to
our
assistant
chief,
I
see
he's
got
his
hands
up
was
the
example
that
sparky
heartland
had
brought
up,
which
is
in
regards
to
the
japan,
town
community
patrols
and
to
add
some
some
or
shed
some
light
on
that
as
well,
because
I
know
that
that
the
way
that
it
was
described
was
that
it's
somehow
a
completely
community-led
effort.
That's
not
the
case.
D
San
jose
police
reserve
officers
have
now
been
authorized
by
the
police
department
to
volunteer
and
do
do
shifts
out
there
and
and
that's
at
the
the
direction
or
the
the
the
response
from
the
community
because
they
have
asked
for
that.
They
have
asked
to
see.
Could
we
actually
get
some
uniformed
officers
out
there
to
do
some
of
these
community
patrols
with
them
and
so
the
community?
There
is
not
saying
we
don't
want
to
work
with
police
officers.
D
I
I
wanted
to
share
that
context,
because
I
think
that's
why
it
is
important
that
we
have
these
other
voices
and
other
voices
at
the
table
as
we're
having
some
of
these
conversations,
because
it's
not
so
cut
and
dry
as
of
a
topic,
it
is
a
very,
very
important
topic
and
and
I'll
end
on
one
part.
I
think
that's
really
important
to
remember,
which
is
that
the
role
of
of
of
police
in
our
society
is
enforcing
the
law.
D
I
know
that
that
we
have
framing
and
when
you
look
at
you
know
the
goals
of
the
police
department
and
all
across
the
country.
Things
are
framed
around
keeping
the
peace,
but,
as
we
know,
not
all
laws
historically
been
simply
around
keeping
the
peace,
nor
have
they
been
laws
that
have
been
just
toward
particular
individuals
in
our
society
and
it's
actually,
we
as
elected
officials
who
make
those
laws
and
many
of
which,
over
the
years,
have
been
racist
in
nature,
sexist
or
homophobic
in
nature.
D
And
then
we
have
asked
the
police
department
to
enforce
those
laws,
and
so
I
think
right.
It's
both
important
that
we
recall
that
and
remember
that,
because
that's
where
we
have
a
responsibility
as
elected
officials.
Unfortunately
right
we
have
been
pushing
in
regards
to
those
topics
here
at
the
city
of
san
jose,
as
councilman
has
pointed
out
in
things
like
creating
the
office
of
base
and
equity,
and
really
wanting
to
drill
down
on
how
we
can
do
better
as
the
full
city.
D
As
elected
officials
that
are
there
that
are
setting
the
policies
and
the
laws
and
not
necessarily
just
put
the
burden
fully
on
our
police
officers
and
the
police
department,
this
is
really
something
that
we
all
have
to
take.
Responsibility
for
and-
and
I
take
that
very
seriously,
because
I've
served
both
roles
as
a
police
officer
and
now
as
an
elected
official
and
and
have
a
a
good
view
and
and
perspective
of
the
totality
of
the
challenges
that
are
in
front
of
us.
D
C
C
What
they're
saying-
and
I
don't
see
that
as
our
as
our
role
at
all,
I
think
for
one
simply
hearing
from
the
community
has
value
for
us
hearing
their
ideas.
Hearing
the
things
they
want
to
see.
The
kind
of
changes
they
would
like
to
see
us
make
is
incredibly
important
for
for
myself
and
for
chief
mata
as
we
direct
the
department
forward.
Secondly,
I
think
that
our
input
is
going
to
come
at
some
point,
no
matter
what,
even
if
you
had
a
fully
autonomous
group
that
came
up
with
a
list
of
suggestions.
G
C
Mentioned
by
us,
if
we
were
to
enact
certain
proposals
that
doesn't
mean
we
control
the
dialogue,
that
doesn't
mean
that
we're
you
know
having
veto
power.
Ultimately,
you
have
the
power.
You
have
the
power
to
direct
us
to
do
whatever
you
want
us
to
do,
and
that's
and
that's
what
we
plan
on
doing,
but
we
do
think
I
mean
this
is
this
is
our
this
is
what
we
do.
C
D
Thank
you,
and
I
know
I
I
saw
obviously
in
the
video
yourself
and
chief
mata
partici-
have
been
participating
in
that
and-
and
I
would
agree
and
hence
why
I
said,
I
think,
having
the
participation,
especially
of
yourselves
right
as
leaders
of
the
police
department,
individuals,
yourselves,
that
can
help
set
the
policy,
the
duty
manual
policies
right
and
again
make
some
of
those
changes.
Much
like
we,
as
elected
officials
can
make
for
the
entirety
of
the
city,
is
really
really
important.
D
G
D
D
D
B
Thank
you.
Mr
chair
really
appreciate
it
good
afternoon.
My
committee
chair
committee,
members
staff
and
members
of
the
community,
I'm
ray
reardon,
the
director
of
the
city,
manager's
office
of
emergency
management,
and
I'm
here
today
to
present
the
city
of
san
jose
disaster,
resilience
resiliency
annual
report
next
slide.
B
The
report
is
organized
according
to
the
objectives
and
key
results
for
the
city's
enterprise
priority
of
emergency
management
preparedness.
The
four
areas
include:
the
city
has
a
plan
to
tackle
any
emergency
employees.
Citizens
and
businesses
are
ready
to
take
action
and
able
to
answer
a
call
to
action.
B
B
B
The
city
also
activate
its
emergency
operations.
Center
began
scaling
up
resources
and
response
in
preparation
for
the
event
and
facility
closures,
increased
tele
committee,
telecommunicating
work
from
home
capacity
for
employees,
augmentation
of
communications
to
employees
and
coordination
partner
agencies,
as
well
as
other
workplace
and
program
modifications
to
ensure
the
continuity
of
city
operations,
while
protecting
the
safety
of
our
employees,
providing
effective
communication
and
supporting
the
county
in
the
call
to
action.
B
Category
city
partnerships
with
community
organizations
were
vital
to
whatever
we
did
and
whatever
part
of
our
response,
and
very
notably
in
our
vaccination
events,
for
example.
Example,
a
city
collaborated
with
the
asian
americans
for
community
involvement
or
aki
to
conduct
vaccination
events
at
the
city
hall,
rotunda,
targeting
highly
vulnerable
populations
to
include
persons
with
disabilities,
unhoused
and
or
unstable
unstably
housed
populations.
B
B
In
the
third
category,
community
trust
the
city
in
response
to
the
covenanting
emergency.
In
the
city's
shelter
crisis
declaration,
the
city
worked
to
construct,
construct
and
open
three
emergency
interim
housing
communities
to
help
protect
the
unhoused
people
from
the
disease
sold
the
spread
of
cobit
19
and
expand
the
city's
housing
capacity
after
the
emergency
recedes.
B
B
D
B
One
yeah,
I
hope
you
guys-
are
gonna-
be
prepared
for
a
natural
disaster,
because
you
can't
even
keep
the
rose
garden.
Fountain
working
all
the
bathrooms
public
facilities
in
san
jose
are
terrible.
You
guys
better
be
prepared
because,
as
taxpayers
we
pay
police
and
fire
a
lot
of
money
yeah.
I
know
the
job's
dangerous,
but
yeah
you
guys
get
paid
lots
of
money,
lots
of
administration,
lots
of
brass,
making,
half
million
dollar
salaries.
You
guys
better
know
what
to
do
you
better
be
taking
classes.
B
You
better
be
going
to
seminars,
you
better
be
prepared,
because
you
guys
talk
about
how
much
you
do
for
the
community
we're
gonna.
You
know
we're.
I'm
gonna
hold
you
to
the
test
when,
when
the
big
earthquake
hits
or
major
fires,
I'm
not
gonna,
I'm
not
gonna
accept
any
excuses
from
san
jose
pd
san
jose
fire
department
and
worship,
the
city
council
and
the
mayor.
You
guys
need
to
get
your
act
together.
We
already
saw
what
happened
when
the
santa
clara
valley
or
central
fire
district
went
to
go
fight
a
fire.
B
They
even
have
proper
communication
set
up.
That
is
bad
and
you
guys
better
be
prepared
for
communication.
You
better
be
prepared
to
work
with
other
other
departments
and
cities
adjoining
if,
if
a
natural
disaster
occurs,
we
saw
the
flooding
happen
here,
really
flooding
in
the
21st
century,
the
native
american
people.
They
knew
how
to
prevent
flooding,
read
about
how
they
used
to
do
it.
These
guys
knew
these
guys
knew.
What
time
it
was.
You
guys
just
know
when
your
paychecks
arrive,
so
you
better
be
prepared.
I'm
telling
you
you,
you
guys
can't
handle
anything.
B
You
can't
handle
a
shed
in
a
backyard.
You
can't
handle
a
flagpole.
How
are
you
gonna
handle
a
natural
disaster?
You
guys
can't
handle
people
drinking
beer
in
public.
You
can't
do
anything.
It's
unbelievable,
we'll
see
when
the
disaster
comes.
What
a
disaster
sjpd
and
and
the
fire
department
and
the
city
council
is
that's
the
natural
disaster
we
have
to
worry
about.
I
yield
my
time
I'd
like
to
hear
some
answers.
A
Hi,
thank
you.
Thank
you
again
so
much
for
the
previous
item
and
the
efforts
you
made
and
what
can
hopefully
be
a
real
community
effort
in
the
future.
Again,
you
know
it's.
It's
incredibly
idealistic
it's
ideas
of
peace
and
to
really
question
the
future
of
the
prison
military
industrial
complex
for
all
of
us.
That's
incredibly
idealistic
important
work.
Good
luck
with
it
for
this
item.
Very
very
interestingly,
you
brought
up
this
item
right
afterwards.
A
I
think
is
as
a
way
to
you,
know,
kind
of
warn
people
and
ask
people
to
be
wary
and
be
ready.
You
know
what
to
expect
in
the
next
few
years.
I
think
the
previous
caller
to
you
know
note
what
he
was
saying
for
as
much
as
this
report.
You
know,
speaks
on
the
past
years
of
kovid.
I
think
the
previous
caller
was
asking
and
myself
is
asking:
is
there
ways
to
talk
about
how
we
prepare
for
future
upcoming
natural
disaster
events
and
resiliency
ideas?
A
Hopefully
that
can
be
in
future
reports
and
and
items
for
for
this
committee.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
for
having
this
item
I
mean
for
just
having
it,
for
myself
is
some
sort
of
acknowledgement,
possibly
what
we
need
to
prepare
for,
and
you
know
I've
been
trying
to
say
it
for
the
past
few
weeks.
A
J
Yes,
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
input.
I
just
wanted
to
say
ray
just.
We
appreciate
all
your
your
hard
work
and
and
efforts.
It's
been
a
very
unprecedented
time.
I
know
that
that
word
is
used
quite
a
bit,
but
it
has
been,
and
you
and
your
organization
have
risen
to
the
occasion.
So
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
that
we
appreciate
all
the
hard
work
and
dedication
and
commitment
when
you
first
started
your
job.
J
I
Thank
you
ray
for
the
presentation
and
I'm
going
to
also
thank
you
for
all
the
work
that
you've
done
in
that
in
our
whole
department
and
that
you
you're,
leading
in
one
area
that
I
did
see
that
you
you
missed
talking
about,
and
I
wasn't
sure
if
it
just
didn't
fit
into
this.
But
that's
the
the
fires
I
you
know.
I
I
saw
the
gis
system
in
which
we
helped
alert
folks
and
for
the
food
distribution
for
vaccination,
for,
but
it
didn't
include
the
fires,
and
so
you
know,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I
know
that
was
really
important
where
our
office
worked
with
yours.
Along
with
the
county.
We
had
a
lot
of
folks
who
were
concerned
out
there
as
it
was
getting
closer
to
district
8
and
we
did
end
up
evacuating
some
portions
of
district
8..
B
Well,
usually,
that's
more
of
our
actual
response
thing
that
I
report
on
in
august,
but
it
certainly
does
reflect
on
the
resilience
of
the
community.
So
it's
I
think
there
were
a
few
other
things
that
were
sort
of
hiding
our
presentation
here,
but
that
certainly
was
a
key
part
in
demonstrating
our
resilience
and
we
are
working
right
now,
actually,
with
a
number
of
the
departments
to
start
planning
for
this
wildland
fire
season.
I
Thank
you
yeah.
Yes,
there
was
a
lot
of
folks
helping
each
other
out
in
in
in
preparation
for
an
exit
from
their
homes.
Certainly
that
was
scary
for
some,
and
I
think
that
should
should
also
be
reflected.
The
the
other
one.
I
was
gonna
the
other
area.
This
is
just
a
question
I
had
about
certain
and
and
where
it's
at
have
you
started
those
trainings
once
again.
B
Yes,
we
have
actually
councilmember
where
we
have
started
what
we
call
a
hybrid
system.
Oh
the
online,
yes,
okay,
yeah
we're
doing
the
classroom,
instructions
online
and
we're
still
waiting
for
the
approval
that
we
can
start
doing
the
hands-on
demonstrations
so
we're
waiting
for
those
the
opportunity
for
when
the
the
restrictions
to
be
lifted
to
find
a
location
to
do
it
once
we
do
that,
then
we'll
finish
that
one
day
we've
actually
started
the
second
one
already.
I
Oh
great,
so
so
for
for
that
first
one,
it
would
be
a
one-day,
hands-on,
training.
Correct,
that's
what's
left,
got
it
okay!
Well,
this
is
you
know.
Cert
programs
are
always
a
popular
training
in
my
district
and
especially
in
our
in
our
villages,
community,
and
so
I
would
love.
I
would
love
to
to
ensure
that
all
our
villagers,
as
well
as
the
rest
of
the
district,
learns
about
this
online.
I
I
Perfect
awesome,
I
appreciate
that
and
thank
you
so
much
for
for
all
the
work
that
you're
you've
done.
I
know
the
gis
work
alone
was
just
tremendous
so
and
then
you,
your
department
and
all
the
city
and
our
residents
encountered
so
much
that
we
you
know
we.
We
really
showed
how
resilient
we
are
and
as
a
community
and
as
neighbors
we
showed
up
for
one
another.
I
J
D
All
right,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
the
annual
report,
and
I
will
echo
the
thanks
ray
as
well,
really
really
appreciate
the
efforts
of
your
team.
As
you
pointed
out,
certainly
you
weren't
without
enough
content
for
this
annual
report.
We
have
been
in
the
state
of
emergency
this
whole
past
year,
and
so
there
was
a
lot
to
be
able
to
put
in
there.
D
I
think
we
can
say
without
a
doubt
that
we
are,
you
know
much
much
more
prepared
for
the
next
emergency
because
of
the
work
that
you
have
done,
and
it
wasn't
just
simply
because
of
this,
this
coveted
pandemic
and
everything
that
that
we've
been
able
to
to
go
through.
I
think
we
were
better
prepared
to
address
this
pandemic
than
we
would
have
been
a
few
years
ago
really
because
of
the
efforts.
D
After
the
floods
and
and
really
a
lot
of
kudos
go
to
to
you
and
your
team,
I
think
you
know
it.
It
shows
the
importance
of
being
prepared
for
emergency.
None
of
us
expected
this
to
happen
anywhere
around
the
world
right,
and
we
were
talking
about
earthquakes
and
floods,
and
you
know
pandemic
was
was
not
top
of
mind
for
us,
but
our
office
of
emergency
services
right
is
able
to
or
emergency
management
able
to
to
to
take
on
really
any
emergency.
D
And,
as
you
put
in
your
report,
we
are.
We
are
prepared
to
be
able
to
do
that
now
and-
and
I
fully
believe
that,
as
vice
mayor
jones
pointed
out
that
I
think
there's
a
there
was
a
level
of
of
of
desperation
and
fear
in
all
of
us.
When
we
we
had
a
better
understanding
and
briefing
of
how
ill-prepared
we
were
and
how
understaffed
we
were.
D
I
know
last
week
on
thursday,
during
the
study
session,
our
budget
study
session,
we
had
discussed
how
ray
was
not
there
to
talk
when,
when
there
were
a
couple,
questions
that
came
up
and-
and
he
had
a
staff
member
there
and
we
had
heard
that
ray-
was
enjoying
some
much
needed
time
off.
Well,
I
will
let
my
colleagues
here
know
that
I
happen
to
catch
ray
on
his
time
off,
which
was
the
next
morning
bright
and
early.
D
He
decided
to
volunteer
on
his
day
off
at
the
vaccination
site
at
city
hall,
where
his
team
was
there
working
and
helping
to
orchestrate
and
help
put
together,
obviously
that
that
entire
event,
which
was
a
very
successful
vaccination
event,
but
I
specifically
was
very
surprised
to
see
him
and
asked
him.
Why
was
he
there
right?
D
He
was
supposed
to
be
enjoying
much
needed
time
off
and,
as
it
turned
out,
he
was
able
to
enjoy
some
time
with
his
son,
while
his
son
was
here
and
his
the
son
was
going
to
be
gone
that
day,
so
he
decided
he
would
volunteer
that
day
with
us.
That's
the
dedication
of
the
individuals
that
we
have
here
in
the
city
and
so
ray
you
know
cannot
thank
you
enough
for
the
dedication
that
you're
providing
to
to
our
city.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
we'll
be
able
to
take
the
vote
now.
D
D
H
Thank
you,
everyone.
Good
afternoon,
scott
largent.
I've
noticed
near
the
end
of
the
meeting.
You
know
you
kind
of
hear
that
chime
of
a
lot
of
people
logging
off
and
I
was
hoping
that
our
police
chief,
our
new
police
chief,
would
still
be
on
the
meeting
he
might.
He
might
not
well
we'll
just
kind
of
go
from
there.
H
H
I
like
to
look
at
both
sides
of
the
situation.
So
when
I
first
met
him,
I
went
and
pulled
his
criminal
file
and
I
just
wanted
to
better
understand
things,
and
it
is
it's
shocking.
What
was
done
to
this
man
and
I'm
just
letting
you
guys
know
the
time
clock
stuck
at
146
on
here.
So
I
don't
even
know
if
you
guys
are
even
hearing
me
but
san
jose
police
officer.
We.
H
You,
oh
okay,
great
great!
Thank
you!
Thank
you.
San
jose
police
officer,
ryan
dote
makes
336
thousand
dollars
a
year.
Badge
number
four:
zero:
zero!
Six
in
that
video
that
you're
able
to
watch
on
san
jose
spotlight
it
really.
It
was
disturbing
for
me
to
see
it.
I
wish
I
had
seen
it
years
ago
and
it
was
upsetting
and
immediately
in
my
mind,
says
something
needs
to
be
done
about
this.
This
man
should
be
fired.
You
know
blah
blah.
Blah
then
nicholas
sent
me
all
the
chess
cameras.
H
There
there's
ways
that
if
somebody
is
a
threat
out
there,
which
I
don't
really
think
he
is,
he
could
have
just
been
detained,
he
could
have
been
arrested.
He
could
have
you
know,
there's
so
many
different
ways
of
going
about
it.
Rather
than
doing
a
double
arm
bar
takedown
breaking
someone's
arm
now,
when
you
listen
more
into
the
video
of
the
chess
cameras,
the
way
the
officers
are
yelling
out,
didn't
you
hear
me,
didn't
you
hear
me?
H
It's
very
disgusting
and
I'm
looking
towards
you
council
members
to
start
putting
some
heat
on
the
city
manager,
officer,
dote.
You
need
to
fire
that
man,
okay,
I
don't
care
what
nicholas
robinson's
done
in
the
past.
No
one
should
be
treated
that
way
at
all.
So
you
guys,
please
need
to
do
something
about
this.
A
Hi,
thank
you.
You
know
I've
been
doing
this
open
public
policy.
You
know,
since
it's
basically
ideas
out
of
the
era
of
9
11
and
how
to
create
peace
instead
of
war
with
9
11
with
you
know
the
flood
of
san
jose
with
kobit
19.
You
know,
I'm
I'm
trying
to
learn
my
part
of
what
can
be
open
and
transparent
and
accountable,
and
you
know
good
practices.
A
Now
I
don't
know
if
that's
correct
or
not,
but
putting
it
out
there
can
give
your
own
selves
your
own
judgment
and
direction.
What
I'm
thinking
and
what?
What
what
you
know!
I
have
a
logic.
That's
that's
describing
this,
so
you
can
begin
to
make
your
own
decisions
and,
if
you've
noticed,
there's
been
more
and
more
reporting
in
local
city.
Governments
of
you
know
we
need
to
prepare
for
natural
disasters.
A
I
thank
you
for
that
that
that
offers
to
create
dialogue,
and
I
want
to
learn
how
to
create
that
sort
of
dialogue,
and
so
that's
what
I've
been
doing
is.
If
we
talk
more
and
more
about
natural
disasters,
we
prepare
better
as
a
community
people
will
be
safer
and
then
we
can
start
to
develop
better
practices
of
health
and
human
services
before
more
and
more
police
funding.
So
it's
a
win-win
situation
for
everybody.
It's
what
I'm
trying
to
work
towards,
and
you
know
so.
A
I
I
like
the
words
of
both
council
person,
jones
and
uranus.
You
know
I
I
felt
councillor
branson
jones
offered
a
bit
of
got
good
guidelines
and
from
there
council
president
person
uranus
offered.
You
know
just
really
good.
We
got
to
really
do
it
now.
We
can
do
things
now
and
that's
good.
That
was
really
nice
to
hear
and
scott
largen
just
provided
what
we
do
need
to
do
now
and
work
on
now.
So
it's
a
combination
of
things
and
let's
be
open
and
work
together
at
this
time.
Thank
you.
B
Yeah,
you
know
these
these
police
departments,
especially
san
jose,
pd
you
you
practice
what
I
call
penny
penny
liner
police
work.
You
go
after
penny
laws
trying
to
you
know,
get
people
up
on
charges
for
doing
you
know
minor
misdemeanor
or
worship,
driving
infractions,
and
it's
disgusting.
You
know
you
want
it.
It's
always
these
little
things
that
create
big
things
like
breaking
the
guy's
arm.
Who
pays
for
that?
B
Well,
the
police
department,
the
people
who
work
in
the
police
department
can
afford
it
because
they
make
300
000
a
year
or
more
they're
able
to
afford
it's
easy
for
them
to
say:
oh
yeah,
don't
worry
taxpayer
I'll
pick
it
up?
What
do
they
care
because
they're
already
on
the
taxpayer?
Teet
already
it's
glorified
welfare
as
far
as
I'm
concerned
once
they
retire,
but
you
know
they
go
around
breaking
p,
who
pays
for
the
broken
arms
and
and
the
police
dogs
attacking
people
which
is
funny?
B
The
police
dogs
usually
bite
policemen,
which
is
funny
I've
seen
it
a
few
times.
I
can't
help,
but
laugh
but
yeah,
who
pays
for
all
this.
We
do
the
taxpayer,
so
there
has
to
be
other
ways
of
police
work
and
all
these
fines
and
ticketing.
They
wonder
why
everybody
hates
them.
I
mean
how
many
times
do
you
see
them?
You
know
waving
their
ticket
book
in
someone's
face.
I
mean
they're,
a
bunch
of
jerks,
they
need
they
need
to
get
a
better
attitude
and
then
you
just
start
doing
real
police
work.
Like
catching.
B
You
know
real
criminals
that
murder
and
rape
and
break
into
houses
and
steal
cars.
At
the
same
time,
they're
worried
about
a
guy
walking
down
the
street
a
guy
smoking,
a
cigarette,
a
guy
who
doesn't
look
right,
look
what
they
do.
They're
hey
look
at.
You
want
to
be
loved
or
feared,
but
guess
what
you
never
want
to
be
hated
and
that's
what
everyone
thinks
about
santa's
apd.
They
hate
him.
You
know-
and
I
was
always
only
the
brown
and
black-
can
you?
No?
No!
No.