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From YouTube: MAR 18, 2021 | Redistricting Advisory Commission
Description
City of San José, California
Redistricting Advisory Commission of March 18, 2021
This public meeting will be conducted via Zoom Webinar. For information on public participation via Zoom, please refer to the linked meeting agenda below.
Agenda https://sanjose.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=A&ID=846155&GUID=53FD4CE0-D64C-41AF-92D9-CEA9AF912E1E
A
A
B
C
Let's
see
if
we
have
our
our
commissioners
with
us
nice
to
see
you
all
happy,
I'm
hearing
a
little
feedback,
someone!
C
Okay,
well
good,
to
see
you
all!
I
am
calling
this
meeting
to
order
and
today
we
will
be
talking
about.
C
Some
background
that
will
help
us
to
do
our
process
effectively,
we'll
learn
about
how
the
city
conducts
its
meetings
in
terms
of
the
rosenberg's
rules
of
order
and
we'll
hear
from
a
guest
speaker
talking
about
the
redistricting
process
kind
of
generally,
and
let's
start
off
with
some
introductions
just
like
we
did
last
time.
C
If
you
can
start
off
with
an
introduction
of
yourself
again
and
what
neighborhood
you
live
in,
not
your
district.
What
neighborhood
you
live
in
and
your
favorite
thing
about
your
neighborhood
and
then
pass
it
to
another
member
of
the
commission.
So
I'll
start
I'm
therese
alvarado.
I
live
in
a
little
portugal,
neighborhood
and
on
my
block
I
have
four
generations
of
one
portuguese
family
and
I
love
being
a
part
of
that,
and
I
will
kick
it
over
to
bj.
B
Evening
everybody
I'm
bj
fatim
and
I
live
in
it.
I
guess
it's
considered
the
hub
of
the
cambrian
willow,
glen,
los
gatos
district
kind
of
kind
of
in
a
small
pocket,
and
what
I
like
about
our
neighborhood
is
twofold.
One
we've
got
a
lot
of
families
that
have
been
here
for
a
while
we've
seen
the
kids
grow
up
and
go
to
college
and
bring
back
their
own
kids.
So
it's
pretty.
It's
been
pretty
consistent
and
then
we're
in
a
great
area
as
far
as
access
to
just
about
everything.
D
B
Good
evening,
everyone,
it's
good
to
see
you
all
here
again,
I'm
lanka,
wright,
I'm
representing
district
10.
I
live
in
the
campton
chase,
neighborhood
and
I'd
say
what
I
like
best
about
where
I
live
is
being
so
close
to
nature.
We
have
great
parks,
hiking
and
biking
trails,
so
it's
really
a
great
way
to
get
out
and
be
outdoors
and
meet
your
neighbors
as
well,
and
I
will
call
on
jonathan.
B
Jonathan,
I
live
in
the
west
gate
area
and
what
I
really
like
about
this
area
is
there's
a
number
of
different
ethnic
restaurants
that
are
easily
walk,
walkable
to
ranging
from
philly
cheesesteaks
to
ethiopian
to
mongolian
and
japanese
in
the
lac,
and
I
will
kick
it
on
over
to
daise.
D
Hi
everybody,
my
name
is
daisy.
I
am
in
district
3
downtown
and
I
love
district
3,
especially
being
so
close
to
san
jose
state.
Still
it's
my
it
was
where
I
did
my
bachelor
degree.
I
moved
here
from
gonzales,
so
san
jose
state
always
has
good
memories,
and
I
just
love
the
energy
that
downtown
has
as
well.
D
Let's
see
has
mark
gone
mark,
no.
G
B
F
Attorney's
office
and
my
role
here
is
to
advise
you
guys
on
any
legal
questions
and
I've
just
made
it
a
practice
to
appear.
I
live
in
cupertino,
although
I
went
to
school
in
san
jose
and
I've
been
a
south
bay
resident
more
or
less
my
whole
life,
and
I
I've
lost
track
of
who's.
A
It's
great
to
see
everyone
once
again,
I'm
safe,
I'm
freddie,
sid,
berry,
I've
been
a
member
or
resident
of
district
7
for
over
30
plus
years.
A
I
enjoy
the
area.
It's
to
me.
It's
a
safe
area
and
I've
been
very
active
in
the
community
as
long
as
we
lived
here,
so
I'm
just
ready
to
get
going.
I
with
with
our
committee
our
board
and
see
which
needs
that
we
can
make
in
a
positive
manner.
Thank
you.
Oh
anyone
else.
I
need
to
pass
it
to.
Is
everyone
gone
andrew?
Have
you
gone.
B
San
jose
in
the
edenvale
neighborhood,
and
what
I
like
is
that
there
have
been
a
lot
of
new
parks
that
have
been
developed
in
recent
years
and
and
that
there
are
a
lot
of
trails
that
are
an
easy
drive
away.
G
Not
yet
that's
great,
that's
no
problem.
My
name
is
andrew
dittlefson.
I
live
in
the
north
willow
glenn
neighborhood.
C
Thank
you
all.
The
other
folks
on
the
line
are
city
staff
or
our
guest
speaker.
So
we'll
move
on
to
item
two,
which
is
public
record,
and
we
do
not
have
any
public
record
to
discuss
today
so
we'll
move
on
to
the
consent
calendar,
which
includes
the
commission
minutes
from
our
january,
I'm
sorry
our
february
meeting.
C
H
Yes,
I
realized,
I
didn't,
have
my
timer
open,
so
blair
go
ahead
and.
E
I
can
start
yeah,
hi
blair,
beekman
I'll,
be
real
short.
Thank
you
for
the
meeting
today.
Thank
you
for
this
process,
and
I
think
I
mentioned
before
when
this
was
being
deliberated
six
months
ago
in
city
council,
you
know,
there's
brown
act,
ideas
that
can
help.
E
E
H
E
H
H
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Okay
item
four.
We
do
not
have
any
reports,
but
I
just
wanted
to
ask
commissioners
to
please
use
the
raise
hand
feature
at
the
bottom
of
our
zoom
page.
Once
we
get
into
discussion,
it
helps
because
it'll
rank
who
raise
their
hands
first,
which
is
so
much
easier
than
trying
to
do
it
visually.
C
G
G
Madam
chef,
thank
you
and,
and
members
of
the
commission,
it's
a
it's
lovely
to
to
join
you
this
evening.
I
am
jonathan
meth
of
stein.
I
am
the
executive
director
of
california
common
cause.
Let
me
pull
up
my
presentation
for
you.
G
Then,
okay,
that
should
be
in
presenter
mode,
yes,
yep!
So
there
you
go
great,
so
you
may
be
wondering
who
california
common
cause
is.
We
are
a
non-partisan,
nonprofit
organization
dedicated
to
building
a
democracy
here
in
california,
at
the
state
and
local
level
that
includes
everyone.
We
work
on
voting
rights,
redistricting
money,
politics
and
other
democracy
issues
to
end
structural
inequities
in
our
state
and
local
democracies
and
to
create
government
that
is
accountable
to
and
reflective
of
all
of
california's
communities.
G
So
I've
been
invited
today
to
present
a
redistricting
101
to
you,
and
so
what
we're
going
to
cover
today
is
what
is
redistricting.
Why
is
redistricting
important
to
our
communities
and
how
can
you
create
a
fair,
transparent
and
inclusive
redistricting
process
in
san
jose?
Now?
Some
of
this
may
be
background
for
you.
Some
of
it
may
be
something
you're
very
familiar
with,
but
I
think
it's
useful
to
to
go
over
it
anyway.
I
will
note
there's
a
couple
things
that
are
not
in
this
presentation
today.
G
So
one
is
the
law
of
redistricting
critically
important
subject.
Of
course
something
you'll
need
to
be
familiar
with
and
something
I
can
talk
about
in
q,
a
if
you're
interested,
but
in
a
lot
of
cases.
If
we
get
to
specifics,
I'm
going
to
defer
to
your
local
council,
we
will
have
a
firmer
grasp
of
local
rules
than
I
do.
G
The
other
thing
that
this
doesn't
tackle
because
it
would
take
a
whole
separate
presentation,
is
how
to
engineer
your
community
education
and
engagement
practices
so
that
you
are
able
to
educate
and
empower
as
many
community
members
as
possible.
But
we
can
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
in
q,
a
as
well,
okay,
so
first
thing
that
is
important
to
know
is
in
the
united
states
constitution.
G
It
requires
the
political
districts
of
the
same
type,
I.e.
All
city
council
districts
within
a
city
have
the
same
number
of
residents.
This
is
the
principle
of
population
equality.
The
goal
of
population
equality
is
to
make
sure
that
each
legislator
represents
the
same
number
of
people
and
that
people
have
the
same
access
to
representation.
G
So
in
this
city
we
have
20
people.
Let's
say
we
have
four
council
districts.
That
means
you
want
five
people
in
each
district
in
order
to
have
population
equality.
This
is
true
for
all
levels
of
government,
congressional
districts,
state
legislative
districts,
city,
council,
districts,
school
board,
districts,
and
so
on
now
over
time.
G
However,
people
move
children
are
born,
people
pass
away,
economic
conditions,
shift,
gentrification
and
displacement,
and
what
that
means
is
that
certain
areas
of
a
city
or
a
state
have
population
growth
and
literate
population
decreases
right
and
you
need
you
use
the
census
in
order
to
count
where
people
have
moved
and
then
you
have
to
redraw
your
districts
in
order
to
ensure
population
equality.
G
So
in
this
instance
you
have
people
who
have
moved
to
what
looks
like
the
east
side
of
the
city
and
you
redraw
the
districts
in
a
new
way
because
you've
gone
from
20
to
24
people.
You
now
have
six
districts
people
in
each
district
right,
so
that
was
the
process
of
redistricting.
Now.
The
fact
of
the
matter
is
that
district
lines
can
empower
and
they
can
disempower,
they
can
lift
up
community
voice
and
they
can
silence
community
voice.
G
So
in
this
instance,
you
have
a
hypothetical
city
in
which
you
have
a
minority
group,
and
in
this
instance
it
could
be
a
racial
or
ethnic
majority.
It
could
be
the
lgbt
community.
It
could
be
folks
who
care
about
a
specific
environmental
justice
concern.
It
could
be
folks
who
are
interested
in
a
particular
business
district.
It
doesn't
really
matter
if
you
were
to
draw
district
lines
in
one
particular
way
right.
G
You
could
end
up
in
a
situation
in
which
a
community
that
is
one
quarter
of
the
city
is
split
into
four
different
districts,
and
so
now,
all
of
a
sudden,
you
don't
have
any
particular
district
in
which
they
have
influence,
and
you
don't
have
any
particular
city
council
member
that
needs
to
listen
to
their
concerns.
Now
I
want
to
really
highlight
for
you
that
this
happens,
even
though
the
districts
drawn
are
really
simple,
geometric
shapes,
so
you
might
be
thinking
yourself
well,
those
are
squares.
G
There
can't
possibly
be
gerrymandering
going
on
if
there's
just
squares
gerrymandering
is
the
process
of
using
redistricting
to
disempower
a
minority
group.
A
racial
minority
group,
a
political
minority
or
any
kind
of
minority
group,
and
often
gerrymandering,
is
associated
with
long
crazy,
looking
squiggly
lines
and
districts,
and
in
this
instance
you
have
a
situation
where
that's
not
the
case.
Simple
geometric
shapes
have
are
able
to
disenfranchise
a
community,
and
this
is
what
happens
when
you
have
bad
district
lines.
G
Now
you
take
the
exact
same
community
right
and
you
draw
district
lines
in
a
slightly
different
way.
Now,
all
of
a
sudden,
the
minority
community
in
question
is
likely
to
influence
the
political
outcomes
in
one
particular
district
and
is
likely
to
have
a
voice
on
city
council
in
one
of
four
districts.
Now
I
want
to
be
really
clear
that
the
point
here
is
not
to
have
proportional
representation.
G
In
this
instance,
the
minority
group
we're
looking
at
is
one-fourth
of
the
city
and
would
likely
have
influence
in
one-fourth
of
the
council
districts,
but
it
is
not
as
formulaic
as
that.
In
reality,
it
is
not
that
directly
proportional
or
that
black
and
white.
The
point,
though,
overall,
is
that
you
don't
want
to
draw
districts
that
intentionally
or
inadvertently
disenfranchise
any
san
jose
communities.
You
want
to
do
the
work
to
know
communities
well
to
hear
from
them
and
what
they
want
in
order
to
draw
community
district
lines
that
uplift,
the
community.
G
Now
the
federal
voting
rights
act
is
in
play
here
without
question
and
in
this
particular
instance,
depending
on
specific
conditions
and
histories
within
this
hypothetical
city.
It
might
be
the
case
that
the
federal
voting
rights
act
actually
requires
that
you
draw
a
district
in
which
this
minority
community
is
able
to
elect
representation,
but
I
won't
go
further
into
the
vra
here.
We
can
talk
about
it
more
in
question
and
answer
and
of
course,
you'll
have
legal
counsel,
who's
able
to
provide
a
much
much
deeper
set
of
insights.
C
G
G
It
was
not,
as
we
have
seen
in
some
other
states,
a
partisan
gerrymander
in
which
the
party
in
control
did
everything
it
could
to
bring
as
much
power
as
they
could
out
of
the
district
lines
right.
So
in
states
around
the
nation
we
have
seen
republicans
gerrymandered
democrats
and
minimize
democratic
power.
We've
also
seen
a
fewer
number
of
instances,
but
still
we've
seen
instances
in
which
democratic
controlled
lawmakers
legislatures
have
tried
to
gerrymander
republicans
in
order
to
maximize
democratic
power.
That
is
not
what
happened
in
california.
G
What
we
saw
instead
was
that
democrats
and
republicans
in
the
state
legislature
drew
the
lines
they
knew.
That
would
enable
everybody
to
get
reelected
and
to
entrench
incumbency
power.
Okay,
and
that
meant
really
negative
consequences
for
communities
on
the
ground,
and
I
want
to
illustrate
one
particular
example
for
you.
G
Okay,
so
if
we
were
in
person,
I
would
ask
you
what
community
you
you
might
think
this
is,
but
I
because
I'm
presenting
frankly,
I
can't
even
see
your
faces
in
most
cases,
so
I'm
going
to
assume
you're
guessing
wisconsin
or
pittsburgh
or
upstate
new
york.
In
reality,
this
photo
is
from
watts
in
southern
california,
on
november
12th
2003
a
freak
storm,
dumped
five
inches
of
rain
and
hail
on
watts.
Of
course,
a
working-class
community
of
color
it
overwhelmed
the
infrastructure
of
watts
which
is
not
prepared
for
free
handled
storms
like
this.
G
G
Of
course,
you
have
historic
legacies
of
disempowerment
and
disenfranchisement
along
the
lines
of
class
and
race,
but
you
also
have
political
communication
so
because
of
the
incumbency
protection
shenanigans
that
the
state
legislature
used
to
redraw
district
lines
in
2001,
it
split
watts,
which
is
the
green
part
of
the
map
in
front
of
you
into
three
congressional
districts.
So
no
congressional
representative
felt
that
watts
was
their
responsibility.
G
This
was
a
quote
from
a
congressional
staffer
at
the
time
he
said
at
the
time
of
the
2003
flood.
I
remember
our
office
trying
to
be
very
responsive,
but
there
was
a
lot
of
ping-pong
constituents
between
elected
representatives.
Watts
is
cut
into
three
different
congressional
and
state
senate
districts.
Residents
who
live
on
the
same
street
might
live
in
different
districts.
There
was
a
lot
of
unnecessary
frustration
for
constituents
during
a
difficult
time.
G
This
would
have
never
happened
if
all
of
watts
belonged
in
one
district,
so
that
was
not
the
only
instance
of
gerrymandering
of
communities
by
the
powers
that
be
in
california.
This
was
long
beach
in
which
they
drew
these,
what's
known
as
the
long
beach
boot
in
order
to
keep
a
particular
politician's
house
in
senate
district
28
and
that
cut
that
cut
long
beach
into
three
state
center
districts
and
split
the
black
community,
making
it
harder
for
the
black
community
to
achieve
voice
and
representation.
G
In
california,
I
assure
you
it
does
so.
This
is
a
much
more
recent
example
from
the
city
of
martinez.
It's
not
a
redistricting.
It's
a
district
thing.
The
city
of
martinez
was
using
at
large
elections
and
because
of
a
threat
of
a
lawsuit,
was
forced
to
move
to
district
elections.
All
the
city
council
members
lived
near
each
other
in
the
center
part
of
the
city
that
you
can
sort
of
see
there
right
under
the
number
three.
G
You
can
see
it
where
the
city
is
split
into
three
really
thin
ribbons,
and
what
was
done
here
was
an
honest
drawing
of
districts
here
that
actually
honored
martinez's
communities
as
they
really
live
on
the
ground
would
have
grouped
a
number
of
incumbents
into
the
same
district
or
districts,
and
they
would
have
had
to
run
against
each
other.
So,
in
order
to
avoid
that,
what
do
they
do?
G
They
drew
these
districts
that
have
these
long
thin
ribbons
and
if
you
know,
martinez's
communities,
they've
split
latinx
communities,
they
split
other
neighborhoods
in
order
to
make
this
happen.
Okay,
so
these
sorts
of
incumbency
protection
shenanigans
happened
in
california's
history
at
the
state
level.
If
they've
happened
at
the
city
level,
the
alternative
was
to
move
to
a
redistricting
commission
in
2008.
An
unusual
coalition
of
folks
came
together
to
support
moving
california's
redistricting
process
to
an
independent,
registering
commission
staffed
by
regular
californians
that
would
put
the
community
first.
G
The
woman
speaking
at
the
podium
is
kathy
fung.
She
was
the
former
executive
director
of
california
common
cause.
We
were
a
primary
advocate
of
that
commission
and
behind
her,
is
governor
arnold
schwarzenegger
and
then
behind
him
is
advocates
from
the
aarp
at
the
time
the
citizens
redistricting
commission,
the
ballot
proposition
in
2008
was
opposed
by
the
state's
democratic
party
and
the
state's
republican
party,
and
over
time
it
has
been
become
so
embraced
as
a
best
practice
that
hr
won
the
for
the
people
act
now
in
the
state
sen.
G
Now
in
the
u.s
senate,
this
is
the
the
democracy
reform
mega
bill
that
is
being
debated
by
congress
right
now
and
backed
by
every
member
of
the
democratic
house
and
almost
so
far,
every
member
of
the
democratic
senate.
It
would
make
independent
registration
commissions,
california
style
mandatory
in
every
state
in
the
nation,
so
it's
gone
from
something
that
was
a
revolutionary
idea
to
something
that
is
very
mainstream.
G
We
ended
up
with
the
citizens
redistricting
commission,
in
the
2010
cycle
that
was
broadly
represented
of
the
state's
gender
diversity,
racial
and
ethnic
diversity
and
geographic
diversity,
and
guess
what,
when
you
put
regular
folks
in
the
driver's
seat,
you
get
better
process
right,
so
they
held
over
a
hundred
meetings
in
32
cities
over
an
eight-month
period.
The
public
really
showed
up.
G
It
is
incredible
to
see
members
of
the
public
who
one
might
not
think
are
deeply
tied
into
something
as
wonky
and
as
nerdy
as
redistricting
step
forward
and
make
their
voices
heard,
and
they
really
really
did
in
the
last
cycle
and
guess
what
not
only
do
you
get
better
processed,
you
get
better
outcomes
for
communities
on
the
ground.
These
are
the
congressional
districts
that
surround
the
city
of
watts.
G
Watts
is
now
part
of
one
congressional
district
and
speaks
with
one
voice
so
that
redistricting
revolution
that
started
with
the
state
redistricting
commission
has
spread
to
cities
and
counties
across
california.
There
are
a
number
of
cities
and
counties
that
have
independent,
registering
commissions.
There
are
lots
of
advisory
registry
commissions
like
yourselves,
and
there
are
hybrid
registry
commissions
that
in
some
way
sort
of
combine
the
qualities
of
both.
G
How
can
you
in
san
jose
create
a
transparent
and
inclusive
process?
The
first
thing
I
want
to
emphasize
for
you
is
that
the
delay
of
redistricting
data
from
the
census
bureau,
which
recently
announced
it,
will
not
publish
redistricting
data
until
september
30,
2021
and
the
state
will
then
take
30
days
to
make
adjustments
and
refinements
to
that
data,
meaning
that
you
will
not
have
redistricting
data
until
the
end
of
october
2021.
That
is
a
blessing
and
a
curse.
G
It
is
a
curse
in
the
sense
that
people
have
to
go
back
and
revisit
all
their
timelines,
all
their
deadlines.
I
think
your
city
charter
has
a
deadline
for
your
work.
You
may
have
already
discussed
this
or
you
may
be
discussing
it
soon,
but
you
have
a
deadline
in
your
city
charter
and
I'm
not
exactly
sure
how
that's
going
to
work
or
what
you're
going
to
do
about
it.
G
Given
that
this
census
data
is
so
delayed,
so
it
creates
a
lot
of
confusion
and
we
can
talk
in
question
and
answer
if
you'd
like
about
what's
happening
around
resetting
those
deadlines.
There's
there's
a
huge
set
of
multi-stakeholder
conversations
going
on
now
about
how
we
fix
that,
but
it's
also
a
blessing.
G
We
are
here
to
provide
legal
support,
technical
advice,
best
practices.
We
have
a
website,
I'm
going
to
share
with
you
at
the
end
of
this
presentation,
but
it's
also,
if
you've
been,
I
assume,
you've
been
to
the
city
of
san
jose's
redistricting
website.
It
has
a
link
to
our
hub
of
resources,
materials
and
trainings.
G
Okay,
we
also
are
leading
a
training
in
early
april
on
two
different
community
mapping
tools
that
are
meant
to
give
the
community
the
ability
it
is
meant
to
lower
barriers
to
participation,
essentially
in
the
redistricting
process.
In
years
gone
by
community
members
have
come
forward,
they
have
made
their
voices
heard
they
have
given
testimony.
G
They
have
either
given
verbal
testimony
or
written
testimony,
but
then
really
demographers.
The
sophisticated
mapping
tools
are
the
ones
who
draw
the
maps
we're
in
a
new
era,
however,
and
simple
online
mapping
tools
allow
the
community
to
map
their
communities
of
interest
map
their
individual
districts
or
even
map
the
entire
city
council
district
map,
and
they
can
submit
those
to
you
as
as
accompaniments
to
their
written
testimony
or
their
or
their
public
testimony.
G
So
I
encourage
you
to
to
to
look
at
those
tools
and
and
dedicate
some
time
to
training
around
those
tools
and
I'm
happy
to
share
with
your
city
clerk
a
link
to
our
training
that
we're
doing
in
early
april,
which
will
be
modeling
two
two
of
those
tools
for
our
attendees.
G
There's
also
lots
of
training
that
you
need
to
to
really
absorb,
and
this
is
another
benefit
of
having
extra
months
in
your
timeline.
You
can
really
take
the
time
to
hear
to
get
the
training
that
you
need.
I
will
I
will
say
that
there
are
people
who
are
were
redistricting
commissioners
in
the
state
commission
in
2010,
who
are
true
believers
in
redistricting
commissions.
They
really
want
to
see
groups
like
yours
succeed.
They
would
be
happy
to
do
a
presentation
to
you
and
teach
you
what
they
learned
in
their
experience
10
years
ago.
G
There
are
folks
who
served
on
city
commissions
in
in
mid-decade
districting
processes
who
would
be
happy
to
share
their
experiences
and
there's
plenty
of
experts
out
there
right
now,
who
are
doing
lots
and
lots
of
trainings.
What
are
some
subjects
for
training
that
you
might
want
to
put
on
your
radar
and
maybe
you've
already
discussed
this?
G
One
is
there's
lots
of
laws
at
the
federal
level,
the
state
level
and
in
your
your
city
charter,
that
govern
redistricting
in
the
city
of
san
jose
and
you're,
going
to
probably
want
a
training
specifically
on
the
law.
I'm
happy
to
answer
some
basic
questions
today
in
question
to
answer:
if
you
are
interested
and
we
are
partnering
with
the
aclu
of
california
to
publish
a
guide
on
redistricting
law
that
will
come
out
within
the
next
month.
G
Second,
what
is
a
community
of
interest,
and
how
do
you
gather
community
of
interest
testimony
so
communities
of
community
of
interest?
Testimony
is
going
to
become
your
best
friend
over
the
next
year
of
your
life
or,
however
long
it
takes
you
to
complete
this
process.
People
will
be
coming
forward
by
the
hundreds
to
provide
their
community
of
interest.
Testimony
to
you
what.
B
G
Is
a
community
of
interest,
it's
a
really
vague
term
and
it
and
it
does
not
have
a
concrete
definition
by
design,
and
it
will
take
you
some
time
to
get
familiar
with
the
idea
of
community
adventure
communities
of
interest
and
how
you
can
gather
community
of
interest
testimony
and
then
last.
G
How
do
you
do
outreach
to
the
community
to
community
leaders
to
community
organizations
to
ethnic
media
and
groups
that
serve
youth
or
women
in
english,
speaking,
community
non-english
speaking
communities,
people
with
disabilities,
communities
of
color,
low-income
communities,
the
lgbt
community
and
so
on?
How
do
you
get
out
into
the
community
and
reach
people
where
they're
at
you
have
the
time
to
to
build
a
community
outreach
plan
and
there's
lots
of
resources
and
trainings
available
to
help
you
do
that?
G
Just
earlier
this
year
we
presented
a
training
for
city
clerks
and
county
clerks
across
california.
We
had
almost
300
attendees
from
cities
and
counties
across
california,
and
I
led
a
panel
on
this
specific
topic.
How
do
you
do
community
outreach
well
in
a
local
redistricting
process?
So,
there's
plenty
to
learn
from
in
the
time
that
you
have
available
to
you
for
those
of
you
who
are
visual
learners.
Does
this
help
me
some
key
pieces,
good
redistricting
process?
First,
you
want
to
center
community
and
community
input.
G
Then
you
want
to
create
a
transparent
and
inclusive
process
that
people
can
access
and
people
can
believe
in
and
finally,
you
want
to
take
all
that
put
it
together
and
you
want
to
propose
equitable
district
maps
that
are
fair
and
honest
and
represent
the
community
to
your
city
council.
What
does
that
actually
look
like
here?
Are
some
photos
from
the
city
of
sunnyvale's
districting
process?
G
Now
this
is
pre-covered
obviously,
and
it
sort
of
freaks
me
out
to
see
people
talking
this
close
to
each
other
without
wearing
masks,
but
that
the
person
on
the
right
is
jackie,
guzman,
deputy
city
manager
also
very
pregnant.
In
this
photo
just
out
there
pounding
the
pavement
doing
her
job.
She
is
taking
redistricting
to
the
people
in
the
city
of
sunnyvale,
as
they
were
going
through
their
districting
process
a
couple
years
ago.
They
helped
dozens
and
dozens
of
events
out
in
the
community.
They
didn't
wait
for
people
to
come
to
them.
G
They
went
to
folks.
They
got
input
via
online
surveys
through
community
events
pop-ups
and
then
you
can
see
in
the
photo
in
the
top
left.
After
they
had
draft
maps,
they
took
those
draft
maps
out
into
the
community,
so
people
could
take
a
look
at
them
and
they
sort
of
walked
through
the
pros
and
cons
of
each
map
and
who
was
supporting
each
one,
so
community
could
vote
and
then
they
came
back
to
their
city
council
and
said
here
are
the
results
of
our
online
surveys.
G
Here
are
the
results
of
the
vote,
the
informal
straw
holes
that
we're
taking
at
farmers,
markets
and
other
community
events
they
really
took
redistricting
to.
In
that
case
it
was
districting,
but
in
your
case
would
be
redistricting.
They
really
took
it
to
the
people
and
engaged
the
community
you're
welcome
to
reach
out
to
us,
though
you
might
be
more
likely
to
do
that
through
your
city,
clark
and
city
staff.
That's
a
website
that
we
use,
for
you,
know
redistricting
inquiries
and
then.
G
Local
districting
2021
is
our
hub
for
local
redistricting
resources,
tools,
trainings
materials
and
so
on,
and
we're
going
to
be
adding.
I
think
it's
eight
more
tools
and
resources
in
the
next
few
weeks,
so
it's
under
construction,
but
there's
plenty
there,
including
that
three-hour
training
we
hosted
for
city
clerks
and
county
clerks
earlier
this
year,
and
with
that
I
will
stop
screen
sharing.
I
thank
you
for
your
time
and
for
listening
and
I
wish
you
I
will
say
I
wish
you
enormous
luck
in
this
process.
You
have
in
front
of
you.
G
It
is
critically
important
and
you
can
devise
a
process
last
word
for
me.
You
can
devise
a
process
that
creates
years
of
increased
civic
participation
and
civic
engagement
from
san
jose's
communities.
If
you
get
this
right,
so
I'm
wishing
you
all
the
luck
in
the
world.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you
so
much
jonathan
and
we
did
send
out
the
long
three
and
a
half
hour
training
to
all
the
commissioners
after
the
first
meeting
and
we
look
forward
to
other
resources.
I'm
sure
we
have
questions
from
commissioners.
A
E
Hi
so,
mr
stein,
you
you
mentioned
that.
B
The
census
bureau
is
going
to
be
late
in
putting
out
the
report
to
the
to
the
state,
and
the
state
will
take
it
longer
to
get
it
to
us.
Do
you
know
if
that
will
also
affect
the
census
bureau,
putting
their
results
up
on
their
own
website
for
us
to
both
view
and
download
for
stuff,
like
our
own
arcgis
mapping,.
G
So
is
your
question
whether
you're
able
to
use
the
census
data
to
begin
doing
something
with
it
before
the
state
adjusted
census?
Data
is
available.
G
Yeah,
so
let
me
just
let
me
back
up
and
share
a
little
bit
about
what
we're
talking
about,
and
so
the
census
bureau
will
release
data
on
september,
30th
2021.,
the
state
of
california,
has
ended
prison
gerrymandering,
which
was
the
practice
of
and
still
used
in
many
states
of
counting
people
who
are
incarcerated
in
the
often
very
small
rural
towns
where
incarceration
facilities
exist,
and
so
you
have
like
a
small
town
of
10
000
people
and
for
the
purposes
of
redistricting
in
the
census.
They
have
15
000
people.
Why?
G
G
The
state
needs
a
month
to
redistribute
people
back
to
their
home
communities
and
to
do
other
data
checks
and
so
on,
and
so
the
the
question.
I
think
that
you're
asking
is:
can
you
start
working
with
the
data
starting
september
30th,
instead
of
waiting
for
that
month
for
the
state
to
do
its
readjustment
of
the
data?
G
I
would
really
caution
you
to
not
make
any
concrete
conclusions
using
that
data
prior
to
the
state
adjustments,
because
you
may
you
may
frankly,
not
only
misunderstand
how
many
people
are
in
particular
communities,
but
also
might
end
up
getting
a
voting
rights
act,
analysis
wrong.
So,
for
example,
you
might
say
to
yourself:
okay,
under
the
federal
voting
rights
act,
certain
conditions
need
to
be
met
in
order
to
mandate,
what's
called
a
section,
two
district,
a
majority
minority
district.
G
Well,
looking
at
this
data,
there
aren't
any
section,
two
districts
that
are
required,
but
then
you
get
the
state
adjusted
data
and
oops
turns
out.
The
population
is
different
than
you
realize,
and
this
law
actually
does
require,
what's
called
a
section
two
district.
So
what
demographers
would
recommend
is
that
you
can
look
at
that
data
to
begin
getting
a
sense
of
things
to
do
some
visualizations,
perhaps
or
to
get
familiar
with
the
terrain,
but
don't
start
drawing
maps
that
then
anchor
your
ideas
and
your
thinking
for
the
process
going
forward.
C
B
B
G
Well,
okay,
so
the
first
thing
I
would
say
the
biggest
misconception
among
the
public
is
different
from
the
biggest
misconception
among
people
who
actually
draw
lines
like
yourselves.
So
let
me
answer
both
the
biggest
misconception
among
the
public
is
that
you
have
to
be
a
data
expert
or
a
politics
guru
in
order
to
participate
in
the
process.
G
In
reality,
community
members
need
to
be
able
to
do
one
thing
and
that's
come
to
you
to
describe
their
community
for
you.
They
need
to
be
able
to
say
here's
where
I
live.
Here's
where
my
community
lives,
here's
where
we
work.
Here's
where
we
worship,
here's,
where
we
gather
here's
where
we
play
here's
where
our
kids
go
to
school
right.
My
community
is
x,
it
lives
in
this
area
and
I
hope
that
you'll
keep
it
together
in
one
community.
G
One
council
district
right,
it's
as
simple
as
that
we
create
we're
going
to
publish
this
in
just
a
few
weeks,
essentially
paint
by
numbers
community
of
interest.
Testimony
templates
basically
enable
community
members
to
simplify
the
process
of
giving
you
testimony
right
now.
G
In
order
to
hold
you
accountable
to
drawing
good
maps,
there
have
to
be
lawyers,
and
there
have
to
be
demographers,
and
there
has
to
be
people
familiar
with
sophisticated
mapping
tools,
but
for
a
regular
community
member
just
to
participate.
All
they
need
to
be
able
to
do
is
come
to
you
to
tell
their
story
and
tell
the
story
of
their
community
okay,
and
so
you
need
to
make
clear
to
the
community.
The
barrier
to
entry
is
lower
than
they
might
think.
G
The
reality
is
that
simple,
geometric
shapes
are
not
always
the
best
districts,
because
communities
don't
live
in
simple,
geometric
shapes.
The
point
of
districts
is
to
honor
communities
on
the
ground
and
where
they
live,
so
that
communities
that
have
shared
history
shown
culture
shared
identity.
Shared
interests
are
kept
together
into
kept
whole,
so
they
can
join
together,
advocate
for
themselves
and
achieve
representation
right.
The
purpose
is
not
to
draw
rectangles
or
squares
or
triangles
or
whatever
the
case
may
be
right.
G
So
sometimes
long
jars
see
a
funny
looking
district
with
a
rounded
corner
or
a
squiggly
line,
or
something
and
they're
thinking
to
themselves.
Well,
that's
gerrymandering!
Surely
that
can't
be
right
in
reality,
it
might
be
that
you
have
a
a
historically
vietnamese
part
of
town
and
there
was
a
church
that
has
been
a
cornerstone
of
the
vietnamese
community
for
decades,
and
you
wanted
to
join
that
church
with
the
population
center
within
the
vietnamese
community,
and
so
you
have
a
district
that
has
a
ju
out.
So
you
can
include
the
church
right.
D
All
right
hi!
Thank
you.
So
much
for
your
presentation.
I
did
have
a
question
about
how
we
should
do
outreach
to
the
public,
so
I
believe
we
are
doing
a
certain
commission
this
year,
as
opposed
to
adopt
the
provisions
of
the
california
citizens
redistricting
commission,
where
we
are
not
able
to
receive
communication
or
give
or
communicate
with
other
people
about
redistricting
matters
outside
of
a
public
hearing.
So
do
you
have
any
advice
about
how
we
can
bring
redistricting
information
to
other
people
if
we're
not
able
to
do
it
outside
of
a
public
hearing.
G
Yeah,
so
it's
it's,
the
you're
gonna
have
to
check
with
you're
gonna,
have
to
talk
to
your
counsel
and
you
know
influence
them
about
what
the
district
line
should
look
like,
but
the
commission
has
said
that
that
still
gives
us
broad
flexibility
to
do
a
couple
things
one
is
we
can
do
all
the
community
education
in
the
world,
so
state
commissioners
are
out
talking
to
community
organizations
talking
to
interest
groups
just
doing
redistricting
education
out
across
california.
That's
happening
now.
It's
going
to
happen
a
lot
over
the
next
several
months.
G
The
other
thing
that
the
commission,
the
commission
at
the
state
level
has
done
is
they
said
we
can
create
committees
and
one
committee
will
be
about
language
access.
One
will
be
about
disability
access,
one
will
be
about
outreach,
one
will
be
about
budget,
one
will
be
about
hiring
and
so
on
and
so
on
and
those
committee
members
can
go
talk
to
experts
in
those
fields
to
gather
advice.
They
can't
hear
input
on
what
the
district
line
should
look
like,
but
they
can
get
all
sorts
of
information.
What
are
best
practices
around
redistricting
outreach.
G
What
are
best
practices
around
language
access?
All
these
things
right?
They
can
do
that,
and
the
other
thing
I
would
suggest,
commissioner,
is
you,
can
go
and
hear
from
really
I
really
advocate
taking
redistricting
to
the
people.
Don't
wait
for
them
to
come
to
you
so
go
join
a
community
meeting
of
a
small.
G
Like
you
know,
community
organization
rooted
in
a
particular
district.
G
All
you
have
to
do
is
publicly
notice
that
meeting
so
that
the
public
knows
it's
happening,
and
then
you
can
send
two
commissioners
or
three
commissioners
or
five
commissioners,
or
one
commissioner,
even
to
that
community
organization,
and
that
community
organization
can
can
give
testimony
where
they're
comfortable
in
their
nonprofit
office
or
in
their
church
or
in
their
in
their.
You
know
in
a
restaurant
in
a
cafe
in
a
community
center
right
and
you
can
do
them
in
language.
G
Like
you
can
say:
okay,
we
have
a
commissioner
who
speaks
spanish,
we're
going
to
do
a
we're
gonna
do
a
redistricting
hearing
in
a
church
that
has
a
predominantly
spanish-speaking
congregation
and
we're
gonna
publicly
notice
it.
So
people
know
that
it's
happening,
but
you
can.
G
You
know
you
can
take
it
to
the
people
in
that
way
and
you
can
conduct
the
entire
thing
in
spanish
if
you
want
right
all
that's
possible,
even
with
the
sort
of
at
least
that's
my
interpretation,
all
of
that
is
possible,
even
with
the
limitation
you
have
that
prohibits
you
from
hearing.
You
know
from
people
behind
closed
doors.
C
And
I
know
we
we
will
be
hearing
from
the
city
attorney's
office
on
that
matter.
Are
there
any
other
questions
for
jonathan
any
reflections
on
what
you
heard?
It's
it's,
not
it's
a
little
daunting
now
hearing
the
possibilities.
I
guess
that's
the
thing
you
know
I
mean
it
could
be.
We
could
do
an
incredible
amount
of
outreach
and
given
that
we
have
more
time,
that's
great-
I
guess
it's
just
a
matter
of
what
we
can.
C
What
we
can
manage
and
do
so
in
a
way
and
and
have
all
of
our
processes
going
forward,
be
as
inclusive
as
possible.
C
It'll
be
interesting
as
we
start
transitioning
back
to
in-person
life,
how
this
can
change
right,
how
the
outreach
can
change
as
we
go
forward
and
we
have
engaged
redistricting
partners
which
is
a
consulting
firm
and
they
are
going
to
be
joining
us.
We
hope
next
meeting
to
talk
about
the
schedule
start
hearing
from
commissioners
about
an
outreach
process
and
get
our
ideas
and,
of
course
san
jose
is
a
very
large
city,
so
we
have
a
number
of
other
commissions
already
in
place.
We
have
a
neighborhood
associations,
commission,
where
we
could.
C
You
know,
of
course,
do
outreach
through
those
neighborhood
associations
that
are
that
exist
throughout
the
city,
so
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
resources
that
are
available
to
us.
I
guess
one
question
I
have
for
you,
jonathan,
is
that
we
have
every
council
member
has
a
newsletter
list,
distribution
list
which
is
they're
pretty
extensive.
Could
we
send,
I
know,
there's
a
bit
of
a
firewall
between
us
and
sitting
electeds.
A
Well,
now
you
just
you
hit
the
question
that
I
wanted
to
ask.
That's
not
good,
because
the
thing
is
at
this
particular
time.
We
are
very.
We
have
our
hands
tied
because
we're
not
able
to
get
out
in
the
public
until
hopefully
very
soon.
I
just
think
that
the
idea
of
using
our
city
council
representatives
and
and
their
leverage
and
their
power
to
get
start
now
getting
information
out
to
the
public
to
their
district
and
look.
A
I'm
hoping
that
what
we're
doing
or
going
to
try
to
do
is
don't
commit,
don't
create
a
model
that
we
feel
will
be
prepared
for
each
one
of
these
districts,
because
the
thing
is
one
model
is
not
going
to
fit
district
7
or
district
8
or
whatever
district.
It
is
because
of
the
makeup
of
that
district.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
that
in
mind.
A
So
I
I'm
I'm
hoping
the
the
city
council
and
the
mayor
and
the
city
manager
take
into
consideration
that
you
know,
for
the
time
being,
we're
gonna
have
to
get
a
budget
put
in
place
to
get
this
information
out
to
our
citizens.
C
One
final
question:
jonathan:
without
kind
of
biasing,
our
thinking
about
I've
been
trying
to
get
us
to
talk
about
our
neighborhoods
versus
our
districts,
to
separate
ourselves
and
to
and
to
help
help
us
think
a
little
bit
more
openly
about
what
could
come
in
terms
of
the
data
that
we
receive.
How
open
should
we
be
to
you
know
completely
shifting
or
what
what
it
would
advice
would
you
give
us
in
that
regard.
G
It's
hard
for
me
to
say:
if
you,
I
think
what
you
do
is
collect
an
enormous
volume
of
input
about
where
neighborhood
lines
are
where
school
district
lines
are,
where
service
catchment
areas
are
for
different
non-profits
and
service
providers.
Look
at
all
the
different
ways
in
which
communities
are
grouped
within
your
city
and
then
take
in
tons
of
public
testimony,
because
there
is
just
lots
of
the
public
will
teach
you.
I
know
all
of
you
know
san
jose.
G
Well,
I
know,
but
you
will
learn
so
much
from
listening
to
the
community
about
their
own
lived
experience
right
in
the
city
of
san
jose
and
then
it's
up
to
you
to
decide
like
do
the
districts
that
we
have
currently
reflect
our
communities
on
the
ground.
Maybe
they
do
you
know
and
you're
just
fine-tuning,
maybe
they
don't
or
maybe
they
do
in
some
areas,
and
maybe
they
don't
in
others.
It's
it's
entirely
up
to
you.
After
you've,
you've
heard
from
the
community
and
gathered
all
the
inputs.
G
G
It
may
be
the
case
that
you
don't
have
the
choice
of
keeping
districts
largely
the
same,
because
a
certain
part
of
town
might
have
lost
so
many
people.
You
have
to
change
the
district
in
order
to
get
to
population
quality.
C
Okay,
well,
thank
you
so
much
for
all
that
you've
done
for
our
state
and
now
apparently
our
country
and
creating
a
process
that
is
inclusive
and
transparent,
and
I'm
sure
we
will
have
you
back.
You're
welcome
anytime,
and
I
know
you're
all
over
the
state.
I've
seen
you
as
part
of
the
sunnyvale
league
of
women,
voters
and
and
other
public
forums.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
everything
you're
doing.
C
H
C
H
So
exciting
I
get
to
I
get
to
do
all
of
the
exciting
topics:
brown
act,
rules
of
order
and
then
we're
also
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
special
rules.
You
guys
have
that
you
actually
mentioned
in
the
previous
the
previous
item
about
ex
parte
communication,
but
the
first
thing
I'm
looking
at
the
rosenberg's
rules
of
order.
Now
rosenberg's
rules
of
order
was
created
by
a
former
council
member.
I
think
his
name
is
dave
rosenberg
city
of
davis.
He
took
out
all
of
the
stuff
from
robert's
rules
of
order.
H
That
applies
to
cities,
so
he
didn't
create
a
new
set
of
rules,
he's
taking
robert's
rules
of
order,
but
there's
a
lot
of
things
in
robert's
rules
of
order,
and
I
have
a
copy
of
it
right
here.
It's
very
thick.
This
is
robert's
rules
of
order,
but
a
lot
of
that
doesn't
apply
to
public
agencies
in
the
city
or
in
the
state
of
california,
because
that
we
have
the
brown
act
that
we
already
went
over.
So
he
pulled
things
out,
so
we've
been
using
rosenbergs.
All
cities
have
been
switching
over
to
using
rosenberg's.
H
What
I
attached
to
your
agenda
was
the
league
of
california
cities
rosenberg's
rules
of
order,
I'm
the
one
I
used
to
use
was
this
from
a
janky
website.
So
this
is
all
nice
and
pretty,
but
it's
still
the
same
thing
from
d
yeah
dave
rosenberg.
H
H
H
The
rules
are
not
there
to
punish
people
they're,
not
there
to
stop
discussion
so
we're
pretty
loose
with
the
rules.
Robert
schultz's
order
does
not
allow
for
friendly
amendments,
but
we
do
friendly
amendments
here
at
the
city
of
san
jose.
Almost
all
cities
do.
H
H
I
move
that
we
adjourn
you
don't
really
need
to
move
to
adjourn
in
the
state
of
california
because
you
can't
talk
about
anything
once
you've
hit
the
end
of
your
agenda,
so
the
meeting
is
over,
but
a
lot
of
people
like
to
move
to
adjourn
because
it
just
gives
you
that
finality
but
like
complain
about
noise
room
temperature,
if
somebody
says
like
excuse
me
clerk,
it's
really
cold
in
here
or
something
and
they
don't
say,
point
to
privilege.
We
don't
stop
the
meeting.
It's
like!
Well,
you
didn't
say
it
correctly.
H
So
that's
not
what
this
is
for,
but
it
is
to
help
you
if
you
are
uncomfortable
with
saying
hey
it's
kind
of
cold
in
here.
You
have
a
way
to
bring
those
things
in.
That
would
make
you
feel
more
comfortable.
H
So
if
you
say
point
to
privilege,
you
know
it
could
just
make
you
feel
better,
but
this
cheat
sheet
is
is
really
to
help
you
a
lot
of
you
haven't
been
in
these
formal
type,
commission
board,
meeting
type
settings
and
it's
to
help
you
get
through
a
meeting
smoothly
move
like
I
move
that
we
table
this
item
to
suspend
further
consideration
of
something.
H
If
you
want
to
end
debate,
you
can
call
to
question
call
to
question,
though,
is
not
used
very
often
in
like
a
like
civil
discussion
until
like
you've
gone
through
everybody.
So
everybody's
had
a
turn,
and
maybe
now
you
notice
well
we're
going
through
the
same
people
they're
all
saying
the
same
thing
over
again,
so
I'm
going
to
call
the
question
calling
to
question
means
that
you're
ending
debate-
and
you
want
to
vote
on
the
motion.
H
So
you
may
hear
that
you
can
amend
the
motion
council
and
you'll
see
in
red
here.
It
says:
council
often
uses
the
term
friendly
amendment
in
robert's
rules
of
order.
You
would
formally
say
I
move
that
this
motion
be
amended.
We
don't
really
do
that.
We
just
say:
hey
I'd
like
to
offer
a
friendly
amendment.
H
Can
we
also
add
an
additional
public
hearing
to
talk
about
language
access
or
whatever
you
want
to
add
to
a
friendly
amendment,
and
then
the
mover
and
seconder
would
just
say
yeah,
I'm
okay
with
with
adding
that
or
they
might
say
you
know.
I
think
it's
a
really
good
idea,
but
I
don't
want
to
add
that
to
the
motion,
in
which
case,
then
you
can
do
a
substitute
motion
to
include
what
you
want
to
do.
H
So
this
top
section
are
the
ones
you're
going
to
use
the
most,
and
then
we
have
point
of
order.
This
is
if
somebody
breaks
a
rule.
You
don't
hear
this
too
often
at
the
city
of
san
jose
point
of
information.
If
you're
requesting
information,
you
know
point
of
information.
Mr
attorney,
can
you
let
us
know
if
we're
allowed
to
do
this
like?
If
you
think
somebody
is
is
going
into
a
discussion,
you
don't
think
we're
even
allowed
to
be
there.
H
You
could
ask
point
of
information
kind
of
interrupt,
ask
the
attorney
for
clarification
and
then
we'd
get
back
to
the
discussion
and
then
there's
some
other
things.
I've.
I've
never
heard
like
ask
for
a
vote
by
actual
account
to
verify
a
voice
vote.
I
call
for
a
division
of
the
house.
I've
never
seen
that.
So
some
of
these
are
just
things
we're
not
going
to
do.
H
I
think
this
is
the
most
important
part
is
just
to
listen
to
the
other
side.
To
when
it's
your
turn,
you
speak
when
it's
somebody
else's
turn.
Let
them
speak
and
be
civil
and
polite.
H
H
So
I
don't
think
we're
gonna
have
that
issue
with
the
redistricting
commission,
but
that
is
something
you
know.
Discussions
can
get
heated.
H
How
to
accomplish
what
you
want
to
do
in
meetings,
we've
kind
of
scripted
it
for
you.
So
if
you
want
to
propose
a
new
idea,
you
make
a
main
motion,
madam
chair
or
or
chair
alvarado.
I
move
that
and
then
you
state
your
motion.
You
can
chain,
you
can
make
an
amendment.
H
I
move
that
the
motion
be
amended
by
adding
the
following
words.
You
don't
necessarily
have
to
say.
I
move
that
you
could
say
I'd
like
to
amend
my
motion.
If
you
want
to
refer
it
back
to
a
committee
say
if
you
guys
have
a
subcommittee
on
community
outreach,
you
might
want
to
refer
something
to
a
subcommittee.
You
currently
don't
have
one,
and
then
I
move
the
limit.
The
I
move
to
limit
discussion
to
two
minutes
per
speaker.
H
We,
the
chair,
has
the
discussion
discretion
to
already
do
that
and
then
just
how
to
adjourn
permission
to
withdraw
motion.
You
don't
need
permission.
You
can
just
say
I'm
withdrawing
my
motion,
so
you
can't
do
that.
We've
had
that
occasionally
happen
at
council.
Somebody
makes
a
motion
and
then
they
hear
further
discussion
and
it's
like.
Oh,
I
realize
I
don't
need
to
have
make
that
motion,
I'm
withdrawing
it
because
maybe
they're
moving
something
that
they
didn't
realize.
Staff
has
already
done
the
work
on
and
then
again
the
point
of
of
privilege.
H
There's
too
much
noise,
I
can't
hear
the
room
was
too
cold.
I
can't
think
my
I'm
in
my
garage
right
now,
so
I
think
I'm
focusing
on
cold
rooms,
point
of
information
to
ask
again
the
attorney
or
the
city
clerk
point
of
information.
Are
we
allowed
to
do
this
and
then
I
would
be
like
yes
or
let
me
look
that
up,
so
I'm
going
to
stop
sharing
for
a
second
any
questions
on
rosenberg's
rules
of
order.
C
Let's
take
a
moment
just
to
make
sure
that,
hopefully
you
know
this-
that
we
have
a
consensus
process.
I
don't
necessarily
think
that
you
know
we're
gonna
be
pulling
out
the
rosenberg's
rules
list,
but
it's
good
to
to
have
that
in
our
back
pocket
freddie.
Yes,.
A
Well,
just
simply,
we
know
we're
giving
the
community
approximately
two
minutes
if
that's
still
they're
going
to
be
the
standard,
but
what
about
the
commissioners
ourselves?
What
do
we
have
a
time
limit.
C
C
Yeah,
I
think
that
is
a
helpful
practice.
Freddy,
would
you
have
a
recommendation?
I
mean
I
think
three
minutes
could
be
a
fair,
fair
limit
when
we're
deliberating.
What
do
you
think.
A
B
C
C
Okay,
tony!
You
want
to
continue.
B
I
just
had-
and
I
think
you've
already
addressed
it,
but
I
agree
with
that.
As
long
as
we
have
the
flexibility,
if
somebody's
in
the
middle
of
a
thought-
and
it's
really
important
that
the
chair
can
say,
keep
going
and
then
find
a
an
appropriate
time
to.
H
The
next
thing
I
wanted
to
talk
about
and
mark
is
here
to
answer
questions
is
the
the
specific
items
that
are
only
for
redistricting
commission.
H
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
share
the
resolution
again
because
I
think
it's
easier
for
all
looking
at
the
same
document,
so
you
have
120
days
from
the
date
the
redistricting
counts
are
delivered
to
the
states.
So,
as
jonathan
from
common
cost
said,
we
we
had.
We
had
a
due
date
that
was
like
based
on
the
calendar,
but
the
we
had
a
charter
amendment
in
november.
H
That'll
allow
us
to
if
the
data
is
delayed,
that
the
council
can
set
a
new
date
by
resolution,
and
that's
that's
one
of
the
things
we
just
did
with
this
resolution:
the
city
charter
under
state
and
federal
law.
You
are
to
recommend
districts
to
the
council
that
provide
racial
minorities
with
an
equal
opportunity
to
participate
in
the
political
process
and
do
not
delude
or
diminish
their
ability
to
let
candidates
of
choice,
whether
alone
or
in
coalition
with
others,
and
that
was
sort
of
are
also
covered
by
jonathan
in
the
common
cause
presentation.
H
So
for
meetings
we
are
to
have
a
minimum.
This
is
our
minimums.
This
does
not
mean
this
is
all
we're
going
to
do,
but
the
minimums
is
one
meeting
in
each
council
district
and,
to
the
extent,
practical
and
consistent
with
public
health
orders.
You
know
we'll
start
off
virtual
if
we're
able
to
go
into
in-person
meetings
later,
we
can
do
that.
I
definitely
even
if
we
were
to
start
in-person
meetings
next
week.
H
I'd
want
to
at
least
have
one
virtual
meeting,
because
I
think
it's
a
really
good
way
for
the
disabled
to
participate
without
having
to
come
into
council
so
and
same
with
people
who
are
using
public
transportation.
So
I
really
do
like
having
virtual
meetings.
I
think
it's
good
for
people,
so
the
new
notice
for
those
meetings
shall
be
placed
in
the
newspaper.
H
That's
a
like
again,
that's
the
minimum.
It
doesn't
mean
we
can't
exceed
that.
I
do
expect,
will
exceed
the
number
of
meetings
that
are
translated
or
have
interpretation.
H
H
This
does
not
prohibit
communication
between
commission
city
staff,
legal
counsel
and
consultants
that
is
otherwise
permitted
by
law
outside
of
a
public
meeting,
and
it
does
not
prohibit
city
staff
from
receiving
communication
about
redistricting
matters
for
the
purpose
of
disseminating
communication
at
a
public
meeting
of
the
redistricting
commission.
That
means
people
can
send
letters
to
the
city
clerk
and
I
can
post
them
on
onto
your
agenda.
H
So
this
means
you
cannot
as
much
as
you
may
want
to
just
go
talk
to
your
the
council
member
in
your
district
and
sort
of
get
a
feel
for
like
maybe
they
can
tell
you
about
communities
of
interest.
Don't
do
that.
It
needs
to
be
done.
C
Tony
before
you
move
on,
can
you
scroll
back
to
where
you
were
so
item
a
confuses
me.
I
feel
like
the
first
sentence
and
the
second
sentence
are
counter
to
one
another.
I
understand
the
third
sentence,
but
I
don't
understand
how
we
may
not
communicate
or
receive
communications
about
redistricting,
and
then
it
doesn't
prohibit
us
from
I.
I
don't
understand
what
what
is
it
specifically
that
we
are
prohibited
from
discussing
or
what
is
it
that
is
not
prohibited.
F
F
As
I
understand
it
that
both
the
commissioners
and
city
staff,
we
can't
engage
in
any
public
facing
communication
so
going
out
to
you,
know
public
community
meetings
and
things
like
that
and
on
an
individual
basis
and
talking
with
constituents-
that's
not
allowed
unless
it
occurs
during
a
public
meeting.
The
second
sentence,
this
paragraph
does
not
prohibit
communication
between
commissioners
city
staff
etc.
What
that
allows
for
is
internal
communication,
say
a
commissioner
wants
to
ask
me
a
question
about
something
or
wants
to
ask
a
clerk
about
something.
F
That's
permitted
that
type
of
internal
communication
is
okay,
it's
just
the
public
facing
communication.
That's
not!
Okay!
Unless
it's
at
a
public
meeting
and
then
the
last
paragraph
just
allows
city
staff
to
receive
letters,
things
like
that
and
post
it
online
so
that
the
public
can
see
it
now.
The
second
section
b
that
deals
with
conduct
of
elected
officials-
I
mean
in
some
respect
it's
the
same,
but
it's
because
elected
officials
are
members
of
the
public,
but
it
is
putting
a
requirement
on
them.
F
That's
explicit
that
if
they're
going
to
communicate
with
commissioners,
it
needs
to
be
made
orally
during
the
meeting
during
public
comment
or
they
need
to
submit
something
in
writing.
So
the
public
can
see
it.
So
in
some
respect,
yes,
it's
duplicative,
but
it
is
calling
out
elected
officials
specifically
that
given
their
position,
these
are
rules
that
that
they
must
follow.
F
B
Yeah,
I'm
sorry
so
in
in
thinking
through
an
and
the
presentation,
if
we're
looking
to
get
some
input
in
the
interim
from
the
public
and
education
more
the
outreach.
B
If
we
wanted
to
reach
out
to
the
district,
the
the
council
member
of
the
district,
to
put
something
on
the
agenda
or,
if
they're
going
to
have
a
town,
for
example,
if
they're
having
a
town
hall
meeting
or
if
they're
going
to
do
a
newsletter,
and
we
wanted
for
the
redistricting
to
get
some
education
from
the
public
and
to
get
some
information
to
gather
the
information
from
the
public.
F
I
would
say
for
logistic
purposes
to
try
to
establish
you
know
the
location
of
a
public
meeting
and
things
like
that.
That
would
be
appropriate.
I
I
think
when
we
get
into
issues
of
the
substance
of
redistricting
things
like
communities
of
interest
and
and
the
like
that
would
be
prohibited.
F
You
know
we'll
have
to
take
this
on
a
somewhat
case-by-case
basis
as
the
issues
arise.
But,
generally
speaking,
I
think
I
understand
your
question.
If
you're,
if
you're
trying
to
facilitate
a
public
outreach
that
will
be
at
a
public
meeting,
there
is
some
communication
that
needs
to
happen
in
order
to
do
that,
and
that
could
be
done
in
writing
would
be
good.
F
I
don't
know
if
the
city
clerk
has
established
a
page,
a
public
portal
for
that
type
of
information,
but
that
would
be
my
suggestion,
since
the
goal
here
is
for
increased
transparency,
doing
things
in
writing
as
a
body
is
good.
Having
the
clerk
directing
the
clerk
to
take
certain
actions
at
a
public
meeting
would
be
appropriate
as
well.
C
I
would
like
to
have
consistency
so
that
we
know
that
we
are
equitably
reaching
out
to
the
residents
of
san
jose
and
have
similar
information
that
we're
using
and
figuring
out
what
are
the
channels
that
we
will
use
to
reach
out
to
folks.
So
I
I
think
we
have
another
you
know
month
or
or
whatever
to
to
have
a
conversation
about
this
process
and
develop
a
plan
together.
C
But
I
have
a
a
question
for
you
all.
We
can
establish
a
subcommittee
of
our
commission
to
work
on
some
recommended
outreach
to
work
on
a
draft
outreach
plan
and
then,
of
course,
bring
it
back
to
our
commission
for
further
discussion
and
and-
and
we
can,
you
know,
make
sure
we
integrate
that
with
the
work
plan
of
our
consultant.
So
if,
if
there
are
folks
who
want
to
spend
a
little
bit
more
time
kind
of
devising
a
draft
work
plan,
that
would
be
great
linka.
I
know
you
have
a
comment.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
wanted
to
also
just
add
to
what
you
were
requesting
if
we
could
also
look
at
social
media
guidance
as
far
as
with
the
outreach,
because
I
know
I've
wanted
to
share
come
join
us
at
our
meeting,
but
in
light
of
what
we're
restricted
in
doing,
I
wanted
to
make
sure
I
was
abiding
by
what
we
are
allowed
to
do
and
what
we're
not
thank
you.
H
C
C
H
C
H
H
So
it's
basically
kind
of
like
when
you're
on
a
jury,
and
the
judge
tells
you
not.
You
know
not
to
make
an
opinion
until
you
get
all
the
facts
of
the
case.
We're
asking
the
same
thing
here:
don't
form
an
opinion
until
you
hear
from
everybody,
because
you
may
think
you
know
the
city
of
san
jose,
but
there
may
be
a
neighborhood
or
a
neighborhood
identity
that
you
don't
even
know
of
that
you've
never
heard
of
so
I
think
that's
a
really
important
one.
H
H
And
then,
commissioner
removal,
a
commissioner,
may
only
be
removed
by
the
appointing
council
member
for
that
district
for
good
cause
and
with
confirmation
by
a
majority
vote
of
the
redistricting
commission.
H
C
And
I
will
I
wanted
to
ask
the
city
attorney:
are
there
requirements
for
attendance
and
are
there
any
thresholds
that
would
prohibit
a
commissioner
from
continuing
if
they
miss
a
certain
number
of
meetings.
F
Well,
we
the
one
of
the
criteria
under
the
municipal
code,
the
sections
that
were
included
do
have
mandatory
meeting
requirements,
and
things
like
that.
I
believe-
and
the
clerk's
office
may
know
the
specific
number
off
the
top
of
her
head,
but
I
think
three
unexcused
absences
will
will
be
cause
for
removal.
F
H
So,
for
other
commissions
it's
this
is
automatically
debated,
but
it
looks
to
me
like
it
would
not
be
an
automatic
removal.
You
guys
would
need
to
vote
on
it,
and
mark
can
tell
me
if
I'm
wrong.
It
sounds
like
you
guys
need
to
vote
on
it
and
then.
F
H
So
you
know
we
have
there's
there's
all
of
these
would
be
judged
immediately
vacant
if
they
resign
obviously
absence
from
the
state
for
more
than
60
days,
convection
of
conviction
of
a
felony
refusal
to
file
the
official
oath,
but
you
guys
have
all
done
that
and
then
the
it
also
mentioned
2.08.60,
and
that
is
four.
H
I
it's
different
for
every
commission,
so
I
don't
know
it
off
the
top
of
my
head
consecutive
regular
meetings
of
the
board,
so
that
would
be
like
the
last
meeting
was
a
regular
meeting.
This
is
a
regular
meeting.
The
one
on
the
third
thursday
of
april
is
a
regular
meeting,
so
those
three
in
a
row,
a
person
could
be
resigned
in
our
normal
course,
but
for
this
one,
the
council
member
would
need
to
agree,
and
then
you
guys
would
also
need
to
vote
on
whether
to
remove
that
person
or
not.
H
If
and
then,
it's
also
a
percentage
more
than
20
of
the
total
number
of
regular
meetings.
So
if
somebody
attends
like
in
january
and
then
april,
and
then
you
know
if
they
they
can
hit
that
20
threshold,
even
if
they're
attending
some
meetings,
if
they
miss
a
lot
of
the
regular
meetings,
but
that
doesn't
that's
regular
meetings.
So
when
we
have
communities
of
interest
special
meetings
you
know
are
we
are
those
going
to
be
considered
regular
meetings
or
special
meetings.
If
there's
special
meetings,
then
that
doesn't
apply.
H
C
I
I
wonder
if,
obviously
this
is
not
something
we
can
act
on,
but
I
would
love
to
get
the
commissioner's
feedback
on
consideration
of
maybe
asking
the
council
to
appoint
a
couple
of
at-large
members
as
alternates
or
something
just
in
case.
I
just
it's
such
an
important
process
and
we
want
to
make
sure
we
have
enough
commissioners
that
are
able
to
commit
to
being
involved
throughout
the
course
of
the
year.
C
A
What
you're
saying
is
that
we
have
we're
gonna
have
let's
say,
there's
two
sideline
individuals
or
or
we're
gonna
have
seven
sideline
a
person
from
each
district
to
replace
that
one
person,
that's
probably
be
removed,
or
whatever
you
do,
am
I
making
sense
there
because.
C
I
was
just
thinking
of
a
couple
of
at-large
members
that
don't
represent
a
district
as
kind
of
floating
alternates,
but
I
certainly
I'm
not
trying
to
devise
a
strategy
here.
I
just
just
in
case
something
happens.
Do
we
want
it's
not
up
to
us?
Obviously
it's
up
to
the
council
and
this
just
popped
into
my
head.
So
I'm
not
proposing
anything.
I
just
wanted
to
get
feedback
from
folks,
but
if,
if
it
doesn't
feel
like
it's
a
concern,
then
we
can
we'll
just
move.
H
On
and
there
are
provisions
for
excused
absences,
so
if
somebody
tells
me
ahead
of
the
meeting
or
even
after
the
meeting
I
was
sick
or
my
my
child
was
sick.
That's
an
excused
absence
so
that
that
excused
absence
doesn't
count
towards
the
three
consecutive
meetings
so
say
if
somebody
had
a
child
sick
last
month,
but
this
month
they
just
didn't
feel
like
coming.
G
C
Any
other
questions
for
the
city
clerk,
yes,
freddie,.
A
On
the
point
you
made
just
now,
if
your
child
is
sick,
would
that
member
be
able
to
use
system
this
format?
As
far
as
communicating
with
the
other
members
of
this,
this,
the
other
members
and
numbers,
would
they
be
able
to
zoom
into
a
meeting
instead
of
not
actually
being
prep
meeting?
If.
A
H
When
we're
in
person,
the
problem
we
have
with
with
doing
hybrid
meetings
in
person
is
the
technology
in
our
meeting
rooms
doesn't
doesn't
really
handle
it
very
well.
We
we
get
terrible
audio
feedback
when
we
do
hybrid
meetings
like
that.
So
it's
not
something
we
want
to
do
until
the
system
can
be
upgraded.
H
They
can
call
in.
We
we've
done
call-ins,
so
somebody
could
call
in
and
listen
on
a
phone,
but
the
zoom
in
our
in
our
meeting
rooms
doesn't
really
work
well
unless
you're,
just
all
on
it,
like
it's
just
one
big
room
with
like
me
in
that
room
watching
it,
but
it's
just
you
get
that
audio
feedback
that
sometimes
you
hear
in
a
meeting
you
might
be
watching
a
council
meeting.
H
You
might
hear
some
feedback
it's
because
they
may
be
watching
the
meeting
on
their
television
at
the
same
time,
so
that
it's
that
kind
of
thing
I
am
asking
people
who
miss
the
meeting
to
watch
the
meeting.
So
one
advantage
you
guys
have
that
other
commissions
don't
have
is
that
if
somebody
has
to
miss
the
meeting
because
their
child
is
sick,
they
can
watch
the
meeting
and
see
jonathan's
presentation
and
they
can
see
what
I
said
so
they
the
next
meeting
they'll
come
in,
they
won't
be.
They
won't
be
behind.
H
H
C
E
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
past
two
items.
I
hope
I
can
quickly
offer
that
on
the
previous
item.
I
was
very
impressed
with
the
ideas
of
wanting
to
work
out
work
on
redistricting
issues,
from
based
on
ideas,
from
2001
and
and
the
time
of
9,
11
and-
and
that
was
a
call
to
the
the
previous
speaker
lecture,
that
you
know
there
are
ways
we
can
redistrict
ourselves.
E
You
know-
and
I
thought
that
was
interesting
in
the
fact
that
I
I
work
with
technology
and
open
public
policy,
and
it's
really
important
that
we
can
develop
a
future
at
this
time
when
we
enter
an
emergency
state
in
the
future
by
developing
good
practices
and
good
ideals.
E
Now
that
when
we
enter
an
emergency
state
again,
we
don't
fall
back
into
bad
habits
and
and
bad
thinking
that
allows
you
know
what
was
the
redistricting
issues
that
the
previous
lecture
mentioned
at
the
time
of
9
11
that
we're
trying
to
address
now
and
work
out
of
and
and
it's
building.
You
know
just
really
good
sound
practices
now
and
and
and
to
be
aware
and
be
prepared
how
to
do
that.
E
C
Okay,
I
see
no
other
hands
raised,
so
we
will
move
on
to
item
eight,
which
is
public
comment.
Members
of
the
public
are
invited
to
speak
on
any
items
that
do
not
appear
on
today's
agenda,
but
that
is
within
the
subject
matter:
jurisdiction
of
this
body.
Are
there
any
public
comments?
E
I
just
wanted
to
politely
remind
of
the
importance
of
east
side,
san
jose
issues
and
how
you
know
we're
working
towards
a
an
understanding
of
both
sides
of
san
jose
and
how
that
can
be
a
oneness
and
for
all
sides
to
be
included
in
the
ideas
of
reimagine
and
equity,
and
you
know,
there's
a
really
good
concept
and
we're
learning
that
it
can
be
okay
to
talk
about
and
that
there
basically
are
just
our
are
better
ideals:
how
to
address
the
future
ideas
of
peace,
basically,
how
to
address
our
past
20
years
of
war,
basically
and
and
question
our
our
military
industrial
technology
complex
that
this
country
has
developed
and
right
now
we're
in
a
process
of
what
can
be
better
democratic
practices
at
the
local
level
that
can
very
much
address
how
to
build
that
more
peaceful
future.
E
It's
it's
nice
work,
so
good
luck
and
how
and
how
you
will
continue
to
work
on
these
issues
and
it's
the
work
that
I
do
with
open
public
policy
and
accountability,
the
technology
that
and
reimagine
and
equity.
It's
all
part
of
an
important
purpose
that
thank
you
for
your
efforts
and
what
and
what
we're
all
adding
to
at
this
time.
C
I
don't
see
any
so
we'll
move
on
to
item
nine
meeting
schedule
and
agenda
items.
So
jonathan
spoke
about
having
you
know,
folks,
who
have
been
involved
in
previous
redistricting
or
districting
committees
to
share
their
insights
and-
and
we
definitely
intend
to
continue
to
invite
speakers
to
share
their
insights.
In
addition
to
our
you
know,
intention
to
bring
redistricting
partners
and
talk
with
you,
commissioners,
about
a
public
outreach
plan.
We
are
intending
to
invite
speakers
as
well
to
continue
to
share
insights
with
us
about
previous
processes.
H
Yeah
we've,
we
kind
of
tend
to
tentatively
did
third
week
of
there's
a
third
thursday
of
every
month.
At
the
last
meeting.
I
just
wanted
to
reconfirm
that
we
have
the
next
one
I
believe
it's
april
15th.