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From YouTube: JUL 15, 2021 | Redistricting Advisory Commission
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City of San José, California
Redistricting Advisory Commission of July 15, 2021
This public meeting will be conducted via Zoom Webinar. For information on public participation via Zoom, please refer to the linked meeting agenda below.
Agenda https://sanjose.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=A&ID=878650&GUID=A28241C0-164E-4601-8924-9CCBB07C1D35
A
A
The
redistricting
commission
will
now
come
to
order.
Can
the
clerk
please
call
the
roll.
B
Castro,
hello,
thank
you.
Jonathan
bruns
noted
that
he'll
be
joining
us
a
little
bit
later
tonight
I
go.
A
Great,
thank
you.
Is
there
a
motion
to
approve
the
orders
of
the
day.
B
A
A
B
I
see
no
hands,
I'm
also
having
a
hard
time
picking
your
audio
up,
bedina.
B
A
A
B
Call
the
roll
daisy.
A
A
Great,
the
next
order
of
business
are
the
reports.
I
have
a
brief
comment.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
we
welcome
commissioner
gloria
collins
to
to
the
commission,
who
was
recently
appointed
from
district
4..
Welcome
gloria,
we're
glad
to
have
you
with
us
yeah
next.
I
believe
the
clerk
has
a
report
for
us
today.
B
You
actually
handled
part
of
the
report.
I
was
gonna
announce
gloria,
but
if
you're
not
already
aware
of
the
chair,
teresa
alvarado
resigned
due
to
her
workload,
her
personal
workload,
so
that
recruitment
is
going
on.
I've
been
on
vacation
for
two
weeks,
so
I
don't
know
what
else
has
been
going
on
for
two
weeks:
the
recruitment
on
that
I
know
the
mayor's
office
is
the
one
who
appoints
it
they've
given
allegations,
but
I
don't
have
an
update
other
than
that
design.
B
Well,
I've
asked
them
to
have
an
appointment
done
by
august
3rd
that
we
will
have
an
appointment
done
before
the
first
public
hearing,
but
I've
I
I'm
still
on
vacation.
In
fact
I'm
on
vacation
today.
My
main
thing
on
vacation
is
not
looking
at
emails
and
I
feel,
like
it's
been
two
years
lifted,
an
email,
so
I'm
kind
of
forgetting
how
work
works
right
now,
but
yeah
we
we
should
I've
asked
them
to
appoint
somebody
before
that.
B
First
public
hearing-
and
I
can
send
you
guys
out
an
info
memo
after
I
get
back
from
vacation
and
get
some
updates.
A
Okay,
great,
thank
you
tony.
Is
there
any
member
of
the
public
who
would
like
to
address
the
clerks
report.
B
A
No
hands,
okay
and
actually
before
we
move
on,
I
wanted
to
make
sure
to
give
our
consultant
redistricting
partners
a
chance.
If
they
have
a
report
for
us,
I
know
they'll
be
presenting
shortly.
A
I
don't
see
anybody
from
paul.
C
A
Great
thanks
paul
good
to
see
you
okay.
Moving
on
the
next
item
is
public
hearing
there's
no
public
hearing
tonight,
so
we
can
move
on
to
old
business.
We
do
have
an
old
business
item
for
discussion
on
the
communities
of
interest,
the
public
hearings
and
the
outreach
tony.
Would
you
like
to
address
this
item.
B
Other
than
to
just
introduce
paul
to
to
talk
about
it,
I
mean
I'm
working
on
the
schedule.
We've
got
the
schedule
out,
I'm
working
on
the
room
bookings.
I've
contacted
the
the
other
alternative
locations
that
you
guys
sent
to
me,
for
it
was
district,
five
and
eight,
I
believe
so.
Working
on
trying
to
move
those
to
the
alternative
locations.
B
C
C
Much
so
I
was
wanted
to
talk
about
the
communities
of
interest
process
and,
and
one
way
we've
been
doing,
it
is
by
showing
you
or
commissions
that
are
doing
this.
C
For
you
know,
listening
to
the
information
the
public's,
giving
us
because
hearing
people
talk
about
their
community
is
one
thing,
but
hearing
people
talk
about
their
community,
then
being
able
to
think
about
how
to
place
that
within
the
redistricting
context
is
another,
and
and
so
this
presentation
that
I'll
show
you
is
essentially
both
for
you
and
for
the
public.
So
if
that's
okay,
I'll
just
go
through
that
real,
quick
and
then
I'll
also
show
as
a
part
of
this,
we
generally
show
the
mapping
software.
C
So
I
can
show
how
we
would
walk
that
through
that
a
little
bit
and
then
and
then
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions.
C
So
the
basic
presentation
we
would
do
would
be
pretty
similar
to
the
kind
of
overview,
some
of
which
you've
seen
before.
Where
basically
we
talk
about,
you
know
the
the
ridiculing
basics,
the
traditional
redistricting
principles.
We
talk
about
communities
of
interest.
Obviously
we
give
a
tool,
a
demonstration
of
the
districtor
map
tool.
C
Then
we
also
show
other
ways.
People
can
give
public
testimony
on
communities
of
interest
and
then
always
finish
up
kind
of
with
what
is
the
remaining
hearing
schedule,
because
we
presume
this
is
going
to
be
done
largely
online
and
if
not
only
online,
then
using
hybrid
of
online
and
in
person
and
and
being
able
to
give
that
information
where
people
can
participate
in
the
future
is
always
valuable.
C
So
we
start
by
talking
about
just
simply
what
is
redistricting
and
largely
people
think
about
redistricting
as
the
national
context
congress,
the
legislature,
but
local
governments
also
need
to
go
through
redistricting,
and
this
redistricting
has
to
happen
every
10
years
after
the
decennial
census
and
redistricting
and
rebalancing
these
district.
These
districts
for
equal
population
has
essentially
two
goals.
C
One
is
we
want
to
have
people
have
equal
representative
power?
We
want
them
to
know
that
if
they
have
a
pothole
in
their
street
that
they
have
the
same
ability
to
contact
a
council
member
and
seek
you
know
a
fix
to
their
pothole
or
street
light
or
whatever
issues
going
on
the
same
as
somebody
else
on
the
other
side
of
the
city
and
if
populations
are
unequal,
then
representative
power
isn't
equal.
C
We
had
one
agency,
we
worked
with
that
had
districts
where
one
district
was
12,
000
people,
the
other
district,
was
a
hundred
thousand
people,
so
in
the
area
with
a
hundred
thousand
people,
if
they
had
a
pothole,
their
power
to
go
to
their
representative
was
eight
times
less
than
the
power
of
somebody
living
in
a
twelve
thousand
person
district,
so
that
rebalancing
for
representation
is
important.
It's
a
constitutional
right.
C
The
second
part
is
the
idea
of
one
person,
one
vote
and
that's
also
a
constitutional
right
that
my
vote
shouldn't
be
stronger
than
somebody
else's
vote
simply
because
of
where
I
live,
or
what
district
I
live
in
and
and
in
that
example,
with
the
twelve
thousand
hundred
thousand
districts,
the
math
was
a
little
different.
C
It
was
ten
thousand
and
seventy
thousand,
I
think,
voters,
and
so,
when
you
actually
got
down
to
that,
the
ratio
was
about
seven
to
one
still,
the
same
principle
held
that
some
people's
votes
are
more
important
than
others.
So
balancing
the
districts
helps
alleviate
that
the
traditional
criteria
that
we've
talked
about
and
that
folks
who
want
to
learn
more
about,
can
go
back
and
watch
older
presentations
that
you've
had,
as
a
commission
include
the
districts
be
equally
sized.
Like
I
just
talked
about.
Districts
also
need
to
be
contiguous.
C
They
need
to
be
whole
parts.
They
need
to
maintain
communities
of
interest.
They
should
follow
existing
city,
county
local
government
lines
and
in
a
city,
council,
redistricting,
oftentimes
neighborhoods
are
one
of
the
primary
building
blocks
of
districts.
They
should
be
keeping
districts
compact
there's
in
an
earlier
presentation.
I
went
through
all
the
different
mathematical
ways
that
you
can
measure
compactness
or
different
ways
in
different
states.
They
measure
compactness
in
california.
C
You
know
dodging
and
diving
past
other
nearby
population
would
not
under
state
law,
be
considered
compact
and
all
this
needs
to
be
done
while
following
the
federal
voting
rights
act.
So
the
voting
rights
acts.
If
people
were
to
google,
they
might
find.
There's
a
california
voting
rights
act
and
the
federal
voting
rights
act,
the
california
voting
rights
act
doesn't
have
any
bearing
in
the
city
of
san
jose.
C
It
only
affects
agencies
that
have
at
large
election
systems,
but
the
federal
voting
rights
act
does
affect
your
redistricting
and,
in
particular,
section
two
of
the
federal
voting
rights
act,
which
is
still
intact
federally
at
the
national
level
would
impact
your
redistricting
if
it
is
found
that
any
minority
population
in
california,
it's
largely
latinos,
asians
and
african-americans,
but
it
can
also
be
native
americans
we're
doing
work
in
alaska
where
it's
you
know.
C
Alaskan
natives
are
a
section
two
federally
protected
community
and
if
a
districting
system
works
to
dilute
the
voting
power
of
these
communities-
and
it
can
be
shown
that
districts
can
be
created
in
which
those
communities
would
be
50
or
more
of
a
district,
then
that
might
be
something
the
commission's
obliged
to
create.
C
At
the
same
time,
communities
of
interest
can
include
racial
groups,
but
race
cannot
be
a
predominant
factor
in
drawing
district
boundaries,
so
we
as
commissioners
will
not
want
to
call
a
district,
the
asian
district
or
the
latino
district
or
the
black
district.
It's
a
district
that
represents
different
communities
and
if
there
is
not
a
section
2
requirement,
then
drawing
districts
needs
to
look
at
those
ethnic
communities
and
their
other
socio-economic
factors
and
other
ways
that
those
communities
are
tied
together
in
order
to
justify
drawing
those
districts.
So
it's
not
just
simply
drawn
based
on
race.
C
So
that
is
a
a
part
of
this.
That
is,
you
know
we
involve
attorneys
and
we
we
talk
about
it,
but
we
will
make
sure
that
the
voting
rights
act
is
followed
in
this
process,
the
communities
of
interest
they
serve
as
building
blocks.
But
it's
important
to
note
that
these
are
somewhat
subjective
and
we
want
to
have
a
process.
C
Make
include
a
lot
of
things
and
the
idea
within
california
law
around
communities
of
interest
is
that
if
a
community
of
interest
can
benefit
from
being
in
one
district
that
it
should
be
kept
within
one
district.
If,
if
the
community
of
interest
will
have
better
representative
power
or
better
voting
power,
then
it
should
be
included
one
in
one
district
and
it
would
be
a
violation
of
the
state
law
to
take
a
community
like
that
that
could
be
empowered
by
a
district
and
split
them
up
into
two
or
three
or
five
districts.
C
There
are
things
we
cannot
consider
as
a
community
of
interest.
If
somebody
comes
forward
and
says
me
and
all
my
libertarian
friends
live
in
this
area,
and
we
want
to
be
drawn
in
a
district
together
that
just
needs
to
go
in
one
ear,
not
the
other.
We
cannot
consider
that
as
one
of
the
criteria,
if
one
of
them
says
my
husband
is
a
city
council,
member
and
our
address
is
1310
maple
street
and
I
want
to
be
in
this
district.
We
can't
consider
that
that
is
not
a
community
of
interest.
C
That's
legal
for
us
to
consider
and
if
somebody
were
to
come
up
to
the
microphone
and
say
hey,
I
live
in
this
house
and
I
really
want
to
run
for
city
council,
I'm
a
candidate
for
city
council.
They
cannot
consider
that
so
those
are
the
types
of
things
that
are
disallowed
as
potential
communities
of
interest.
C
C
Last
night
I
was
at
a
redistricting
meeting
and
somebody
said
that
the
airport
they
lived
near
the
airport
in
the
airport
noise,
so
that
could
be
considered
a
community
of
interest.
Is
the
community
geographic
in
nature?
Can
you
map
it
well
in
that
airport
noise
example,
the
people
came
up
and
they
talked
about
that.
Their
airport
noise
community
is
in
this
part
of
these
two
districts
and
they
described
it
based
on
street
names
or
neighborhoods,
and
even
somebody
provided
a
map
that
showed
where
the
airport
noise
is.
C
What
is
the
community's
relationship
with
the
jurisdiction
being
redistricted?
Well,
in
this
case,
the
community
members
came
forward
and
said
that,
in
fact,
the
city
council
had
a
lot
to
do
with
decisions
about
what
was
being
done
at
the
airport,
whether
it
was
how
many
flights
could
come
in
or
paving
roads
that
go
to
the
airport
or
creating
regulations
and
rules
around
uber
drivers
and
cabs
and
people
and
the
traffic
going
towards
the
airport.
C
Then
it
would
impair
our
ability
to
consider
that
as
fully
in
the
line
drawing
process.
So
here
we
do
this
thing
with
some
examples.
I
I
find
these
to
be
fun
and
we
can
make
up
our
own
examples
if
we
want.
But
a
group
of
renters
lives
downtown
and
testifies
to
the
commission.
Would
this
be
considered
a
community
of
interest
gloria?
I
see
your
picture
on
the
screen.
Does
that
sound
right.
A
C
Concerns
with
traffic
or
crime
or
those
kinds
of
concerns,
yeah.
So
that's
the
answer.
It
can
be
easily
mapped.
We
actually
have
data
in
the
census
on
renters
versus
homeowners,
like
the
renter
homeowner
ratios,
they
can
share.
Like
you
said
policy
interest,
you
know,
traffic
was
one
you
mentioned,
and
the
city
can
have
an
impact
on
those
things,
so
that
is
one
sylvia.
A
group
of
dog
owners
living
the
suburbs
banded
together
to
push
their
local
elected
officials
to
put
a
dog
water
fountain
in
their
dog
park.
C
Our
severe:
do
you
know
what
a
dog
water
fountain
is?
I
think
it's
one
of
the
really
low
water
fountains
for,
but
nevertheless
would
that
be
a
community
of
interest.
C
I'm
saying
yes,
they
share
a
geographic
location,
they
have
needs
for
public
services.
Somebody
could
come
up
and
say
hey
that
dog
park's
actually
managed
by
the
county,
go
go
to
the
county
redistricting
process,
but
still
that
could
be
in
even
that.
People
who
go
to
dog
parks
probably
are
concerned
about
public
safety
and
having
sidewalks
not
be
all
uneven
and
that
when
they
walk
by
that
one
house,
the
person's
house
doesn't
have
some.
C
C
More
than
the
other,
then
it
wouldn't,
but
you
know
one
of
the
examples
I
use
sometimes
is
my
mom's
left-handed,
like
left-handed
people
have
issues,
you
know
the
funny
can
openers
and
the
scissors
and
things,
but
they
aren't
geographically
living
in
one
part
of
the
city
and
they
don't
have
a
policy
concern
with
the
city.
So
that's
essentially
how
we
try
to
talk
about
this
when
people
are
coming
up
and
giving
verbal
testimony.
C
C
It
gets
filled
out
and
submitted
on
the
website.
It
allows
for
them
to
answer
those
three
questions.
It's
basically
in
a
way,
almost
forces
them
to
answer
those
three
questions
and
then
once
they're
done
with
that
they
can
go
ahead
and
submit
that
either
like
with
a
it
can
be
a
google
doc,
not
a
google
doc,
but
it
can
be
a
surveymonkey
form
that
just
you
know,
goes
to
the
city.
It
can
be
a
fillable
pdf
that
they
can
go
and
save
an
email.
C
C
The
third
thing
is
map
submissions
and
map.
Submissions
are
great
and
we're
seeing
and
expecting
a
lot
more
map
submissions
a
lot
earlier
than
in
this
registering
cycle
than
we've
ever
seen
in
the
past.
C
So
the
two
types
of
maps
that
you'll
end
up
seeing
in
this
process,
one
is
a
community
of
interest
map
where
people
just
say
this
is
my
dog
park
community
of
interest
and
they
draw
it.
The
other
type
of
math
is
a
actual
full
districting
plan.
Where
people
will
draw
their
council
district
now
they
can
draw
their
council
districts,
maybe
now
if
they
wanted
to.
But
we
don't
have
the
final
data,
so
we're
probably
going
to
hope
that
they
do
more
of
that
actual
full
line
drawing
later
when
the
data's
final.
C
But
if
somebody
did
want
to
submit
a
plan
now,
it
would
be
a
legitimate
community
of
interest.
Testimony.
C
C
Now
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
show
this
tool
real,
quick,
I'm
just
going
to
stop
my
sharing
and
switch
what
I'm
sharing
here
and
show
districtor
on
their
public
site,
so
we're
getting
you
a
license
for
the
city
to
have
its
own
version
of
this
and
that
it
will
essentially
manage
and
that
all
the
information
from
it
will
be
fed
into
the
city
into
the
process
that
you
all
have
access
to
it.
C
But
let's
take
a
nearby
city
of
santa
clara,
and
this
first
thing
we're
going
to
do
is
we're
going
to
use
the
draw
communities
tool
and
in
the
draw
communities
tool
we'll
go
to
santa
clara.
So
it's
also
nice
to
draw
another
agency,
because
when
I'm
doing
this,
I
don't
want
to
make
anybody
watching
think,
like.
Oh,
you
know,
their
demographer
already
has
some
idea
about
the
city
of
san
jose
how
things
should
be
drawn,
so
I
can
draw
the
city
of
santa
clara
we're
not
working
there.
It's
it's!
C
Fine,
so
in
the
city
of
santa
clara
I
could
say
I
am
the
community
that
lives
up
near
levi's
stadium
here,
and
I
literally
use
this
little
paint
brush
tool
to
draw.
I
can
make
it
really
fine
tipped
like
I
can
adjust
it.
So
it's
really
fine
tips,
only
grabbing
one
census
block
at
a
time
or
I
can
make
a
really
wide
tipped
and
I
can
grab
a
whole
bunch
at
a
time,
but
I'll
draw
all
this
stuff
above
the
101,
and
I
can
fine
tune
it,
and
I
can
call
this
my
community
of
interest.
C
C
and
I
can
describe
it
with
whatever
I
want
to
describe
this
and
I
can
even
in
the
description,
use
some
of
those
term
those
questions.
Essentially,
if
I
wanted
to,
I
really
wanted
to
see
what
was
the
population
of
the
area.
I
could
do
that.
I
could
see
the
breakdown
of
it
based
on
ethnicity.
C
I
could
even
shade
this
map
so
that
it
actually
showed
like.
Let's
say
I
wanted
to
shade
and
show
the
latino
population.
I
could
do
that
now.
It
shows
the
density
of
the
latino
population,
but
I
like
this-
let's
say:
I'm
I'm
doing
this
thing
and
maybe
I'll
put
a
point
of
look
a
location
as
well
I'll,
put
a
little
dot
up
here
and
that's
my
dog
park,
whoever
lives
there
is
going
to
be
insulted
that
I
call
their
place
a
dog
park,
but
I've
got
my
dog
park.
I
have
my
that's
an
important
place.
C
C
C
So
now
it's
doing
cities
and
this
city
drawing
tool
is
again
pretty
easy
to
use.
But
now
it's
got
some
things
that
are
making
things
a
little
bit
more
complex
but
really
necessary
for
the
line
drawing
process
in
the
city
of
santa
clara.
The
population
is
around
120
000.
Each
district
is
around
19
and
a
half
thousand,
so
I
can
go
ahead
and
start
drawing
my
districts.
C
C
C
C
I
can
go
to
my
next
district
and
through
this
process
of
drawing
districts,
I
now
am
able
to
create
a
full
redistricting
plan
for
the
city
of
santa
clara,
and
then
I
could
go
ahead
and
once
I
was
done,
I
could
do
the
same
thing
I
could
save
it.
Have
that
url
I
could
copy
that
url
email
it
to
a
friend
or
I
could,
when
we
have
it
for
the
city
of
san
jose
one
we'll
be
able
to
just
submit
that
as
a
draft
plan.
C
C
If
you
stumble
across
the
city
of
san
jose
redistricting
tool,
I
would
suggest
we
don't
draw
districts
yet
the
districting
process
and
the
and
the
way
the
law
is
written,
we're
still
waiting
for
data.
Once
the
data
comes
out,
there's
a
21-day
waiting
period
before
we
can
draft
plans
so
in
the
spirit
of
the
fair
maps,
act
it's
best
for
us
not
to
be
in
the
role
of
putting
pen
to
paper
until
we
actually
get
to
that
21
days
after
the
date
has
been
released.
C
It
would
start
to
develop
a
bias
towards
the
plan
that
I
had
created
and
it
would
probably
close
my
mind
off
to
testimony
that
other
people
might
come
forward
with
that
are
legitimate
issues
or
even
plans
that
people
might
come
forward
with
that
are
as
good
or
better
than
my
plan.
But
somehow,
in
my
brain,
I've
created
this
bias
towards
the
plan
that
I
played
around
with
and
drew.
So
it's
probably
best
for
us
as
a
commission
to
and
us
as
staff.
C
We
at
registration
partners
don't
draw
district
lines
for
our
clients
until
it's
time
to
start
doing
it,
but
it's
best
for
us
to
let
the
community
of
interest
testimony
have
its
full
weight
by
keeping
our
blank
slate
kind
of
in
our
minds
about
what
districts
should
look
like.
C
The
other
tool
that
is
being
put
together,
for
you
is
a
mapping
tool,
that's
an
in-person
mapping
tool
and
this
mapping
tool.
I've
got
some
of
them
just
by
my
desk.
Here
will
be
a
laminated
full
map
of
the
city
and
in
each
of
the
little
areas
here
there
will
be
population
numbers
that
are
kind
of
rounded
population
numbers,
so
they'll
say
like
500,
a
thousand
2
000.,
and
it
allows
members
of
the
public
to
sit
down
with
one
of
these
maps
and
literally
with
a
dry
erase.
C
Marker
start
to
draw
potential
districts,
and
we
have
calculators
and
pens
and
they
start
drawing
those
little
districts
and
adding
them
up.
It
really
only
takes
about
15
minutes,
probably,
but
we
do
full
workshops.
Sometimes
we'll
do
two
kind
of
back
to
back
with
in-person
workshops,
and
will
it
allows
people
to
draw
the
areas
that
they
think
add
them
up,
and
then
they
realize.
Oh,
my
gosh
like
in
that
santa
clara
example
that
area
north
levi
stadium
doesn't
have
a
lot
of
population.
C
I
thought
it
did
so
maybe
this
district
needs
to
be
bigger
than
I
would
think,
but
the
ability
to
do
that
and
have
a
paper
version
or
an
online
mapping
version,
is
essentially
trying
to
get
the
most
access
for
people
to
be
able
to
engage
in
the
process
and
taking
kind
of
technological
hurdles
out
of
the
way
trying
to
meet
them
where
they
are
in
this
line.
Drawing
these
line,
drawing
exercises
and
just
to
finish
up,
this
is
a
schedule
that
we
we
have.
C
C
Just
to
give
some
of
our
experience
the
community
of
interest.
Testimony
hearings
have
not
been
incredibly
well
attended
to
date.
The
state
registering
commission
hearings
have
not
had
a
lot
of
participation
relative
to
what
kind
of
participation
they
were
having
a
year
ago,
albeit
a
year
ago.
They
already
had
draft
plans.
So
it's
a
lot
easier
to
get
a
lot
of
people
moving
once
they
realize
that
they're
no
longer
in
the
district,
they
thought
they
were
in.
C
The
other
thing
is
that
we've
seen
in
our
redistricting
work
and
in
other
agencies
that
are
doing
redistricting,
that
people
still
have
a
hesitancy
to
do.
The
actual.
C
In
person,
you
might
have
some
people
who
will
say
we
need
to
do
in
person,
but
in
we
did
an
in-person
meeting
last
night
in
long
beach,
and
it
was
you
know,
12
of
us
or
so
up
on
the
stage
in
a
big
auditorium,
and
if
you
were
to
go
watch
the
hearing
you
would
see
about
five
times
as
many
participated
online
has
participated
in
person.
C
So
still
it
seems
as
though
a
large
appetite
for
people
to
participate
using
these
new
tools.
But
of
course
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
do
everything
like
I
said
earlier,
to
meet
people
where
they
are
so
that
if
they're
people
who
aren't
familiar
with
how
to
do
things
online,
there's
an
avenue
for
them
to
participate.
C
But
I
wouldn't
want
to
create
a
situation
where
we
accidentally
did
the
opposite.
You
know
where,
if
there
are,
is
still
a
rich
appetite
for
people
to
participate
online
working
to
figure
out
how
to
do
hybrid
is.
It
seems
like
the
way
forward
right
now,
but
of
course
this
is
all
emerging
there.
Isn't
we
can't
look
back
10
years
ago
and
say
how
many
online
hearings
did
we
do
because
the
answers
there
were
zero
and
with
that
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions
and
take
any
feedback.
A
Great,
thank
you
so
much
paul.
Is
there
any
member
of
the
public
who
would
like
to
ask
questions
regarding
this
community
of
interest,
presentation.
A
Okay,
great:
are
there
any
commissioners
who
may
have
questions
for
paul
on
this?
I
do
I
have
a
question.
Yes,
sylvia.
B
The
families
that
live
in
the
in
the
in
the
flatlands
are
the
ones
who
are
living
through
to
four
families,
to
a
home
to
for
us
that
community
of
interest
they
have
to
be
able
to
have
access
to
wi-fi,
and
how
was
that
going
to
really
provide
a
zoom?
B
C
Well,
just
from
our
experience,
I
think
that's
you're
hitting
the
nail
on
the
head
with
you
know
the
concern
about
making
sure
that
the
access
to
the
registering
process
is,
you
know
equal
among
all
types
of
people,
whether
it's
a
lack
of
internet
access
or
inability
to
get
off
work
to
come
to
a
hearing
or
maybe
they're
working
at
nights
and
could
only
do
a
weekend
hearing.
C
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
this
stuff
that
we
need
to
work
together
to
try
to
figure
out
and
reduce
the
the
any
barriers,
and
so
I'm
sure
that
you
as
a
commission
will
be
working
with
the
city
staff
working
also
with
the
changing
environment
around
covid.
C
Just
today
they
announced
that
in
sacramento
county
and
yesterday,
yolo
county
is
going
to
reintroduce
masks
in
la
city
they're
not
able
to
do
in-person
meetings
because
of
concern
about
the
delta
variant.
But
then,
in
long
beach,
which
is
adjacent,
they
had
this
in-person
meeting
last
night.
I
think
everybody
will
probably
on
the
commission
and
the
staff,
and
definitely
redistricting
partners,
share
the
concern
about
making
sure
that
access
is
being
provided,
while
also
trying
to
balance
out
with
the
other
elements
we're
going
to
have
a
problem.
C
I
think
when
we
get
into
the
line,
drawing
process
where
we
might
have
to
have
hearings
around
times
when
people
will
email
the
commission
and
say
why
are
you
having
a
hearing
when
I'm
going
to
my
family
for
thanksgiving?
You
know.
Why
are
you
having
hearings
between
thanksgiving
and
christmas?
Who
would
do
that,
but
we're
going
to
be
forced
to
because
of
the
deadlines?
C
So
there
will
be
a
number
of
times,
I'm
sure
where
there
will
be
a
little
bit
of
distaste
for
the
fact
that
we're
having
to
make
decisions
around
how
we
hold
hearings
with
all
these
competing
concerns
and
fear
about
you
know
making
sure
everybody's
getting
equal
access,
but
we're
we're
sharing
that
concern
and
we're
always
having
that
lens.
C
When
we're
discussing
what
hearings
we're
gonna,
do
what
outreach
we're
gonna
do
what
you
know
how
we
can
communicate
to
the
public,
then
I
think
you
know
we
have
to
be
just
consistently
trying
to
do
our
best
with
that.
A
Questions:
okay,
thank
you
paul.
So
moving
down
our
agenda.
The
next
item
is
new
business
and
our
consultant
redistricting
partners
has
a
mock,
redistricting
software
exercise
with
the
district
so
I'll
pass
it
back
to
redistricting
partners.
C
All
right
so
we'll
just
do
the
time
warp
and
go
back
to
the
fact
that
I
did
that
little
redistricting
presentation
using
the
software
just
kind
of
was
built
into
the
other
one.
But
if
we
do
have
questions
about
this
tool,
it
is
it's
it's
a
really
robust
tool,
but
also
pretty
simple,
and
I
would
suggest
maybe,
after
this
meeting
you
can
navigate
to
it
the
same
way.
C
I
did
just
going
to
district
r
dot
org,
and
then
you
know
if
you
used
to
live
in
in
new
mexico
in
arizona,
and
you
want
to
go
down
and
draw
the
city
of
mesa.
That's
a
redistributing
partners
map
here
and
you
can
go
ahead
and
and
draw
mesa,
arizona
and
practice
playing
with
the
tool
in
order
to
get
more
familiar
with,
and
also
in
order
for
you
to
think
about
ways
that
you
might
want
to
communicate
with
it
with
your
friends
and
and
then
also
one
of
the
great
things
to
do.
C
I
literally
did
this.
I
I
got
my
mom
to
log
in
and
try
it
like
get
family
members
that
you
might
be
concerned
about
their
ability
or
comfort
with
it
and
get
them
coming
in
and
trying
it
and
seeing
if
it
makes
sense
to
them
and
works
for
them.
So
I
think
I
kind
of
jumped
ahead
in
my
last
presentation
to
cover
that
item,
but
I'm
happy
to
go
into
it
anymore.
A
Okay,
thanks
paul.
I
wasn't
sure
if
there
would
be
a
more
substantive
discussion
on
that,
but
I
was
curious
since
we're
going
to
have
the
option
for
individuals
who
do
come
to
the
public
hearings
to
draw
like
physically
draw
their
desired
maps.
Is
that
somehow
their
proposed,
like
paper
maps,
will
that
get
incorporated
to
the
district
or
software
data?
Or
will
we
just
have
it
pulled
paper?
And
then
the
software.
C
C
The
pdf
maps
will
have
all
the
data
that
we've
been
talking
about.
It'll
have
not
only
the
overview
map
but
it'll
have
focus
maps
of
each
of
the
individual
districts
they
drew.
So
you'll
have
like
a
zoomed
in
map
that
you
can
look
a
little
closer
at
any
community,
so
we'll
be
providing
that
pdf
map
we'll
also
be
providing
like
a
google
map
and
then
we'll
also
be
providing
a
technical
file.
It's
a
gis
file,
so
all
three
of
those
file
types
will
be
available
for
all
of
the
maps
drawn
in
district
er.
C
C
You
know,
technology
agnostic
when
it
comes
to
receiving
this
information
and
make
sure
that
the
really
sophisticated
person
that
uses
some
other
awesome
mapping
program
that
their
map
gets
evaluated,
the
same
as
somebody
who
you
know
went
to
a
community
meeting
and
they
and
their
family
members
you
know,
drew
a
map
with
the
dry
erase
marker.
A
All
right,
I
don't
see
any
hands
raised.
Thank
you
very
much
paul.
Moving
on
to
the
next
agenda
item.
We
have
public
comment,
so
this
is
the
time
for
public
comment
on
items
that
are
not
on
the
agenda.
The
brown
act
prohibits
the
commission
from
discussing
any
item
that
is
not
agendized.
A
Okay,
the
next
redistricting
commission
meeting
will
be
august,
19
2021
at
6,
00
pm
via
zoo,
and
we
have
reached
the
end
of
our
meeting.
So
this
meeting
of
the
redistricting
commission
is
now
adjourned.
Thank
you.
Everyone
for
your.