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From YouTube: JUN 17, 2021 | Redistricting Advisory Commission
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City of San José, California
Redistricting Advisory Commission of June 17, 2021
This public meeting will be conducted via Zoom Webinar. For information on public participation via Zoom, please refer to the linked meeting agenda below.
Agenda https://sanjose.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=A&ID=871972&GUID=D3125627-A6DF-49DE-8E64-737381C094F4
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Great,
the
next
sort
of
business
are
the
reports.
However,
there
are
no
reports
today,
so
we'll
move
on
to
item
five
public
hearing.
There
is
no
public
hearing
tonight:
item
six
old
business,
there's
no
old
business
agendas.
So
we'll
move
on
to
item
seven
new
business.
We
have
two
presentations
today:
the
first
presentation
from
redistricting
partners
on
redistricting
law
and
redistricting
criteria
and
I'm
so
excited
to
recognize
a
face.
Angelo
ancheta,
professor
enchetta.
E
Wow,
that's
great,
I
I'll
just
introduce
professor
enchetta
he's
known
as
many
things
so
that
he
can
jump
into
our
training.
It's
wonderful
to
see
you
again,
commissioners
and
my
how
quickly
a
month
flies
by
since
the
last
time
that
we
came
together
and
we
were
joined
by
a
couple
of
people
who
have
been
in
your
shoes
as
commissioners
at
the
state
and
the
local
level,
commissioner
dye
and
commissioner
marquez,
and
we
also
did
a
deep
dive
into
communities
of
interest.
What
are
some
definitions
around
communities
of
interest?
E
How
do
we
understand
the
best
ways
to
invite
and
incorporate
communities
of
interest,
testimony
into
the
work
that
you'll
be
doing
in
drawing
the
maps?
And
so
you
also
got
a
bit
of
exposure
to
a
number
of
different
legal
terms
and
concepts
and
rest
assured
that
tonight
you
will
be
feel
much
deeper
steeped
in
the
meanings
behind
those
words
and
their
their
application.
E
E
Harvard
ucla
he's
his
areas
of
expertise,
focus
primarily
around
voting
rights
and
also
around
public
policy
and
in
particular,
race,
conscious
public
policy,
which
is
very
germane
to
the
topic
of
redistricting,
particularly
in
a
place
like
san
jose
prior
to
his
time
in
academia.
Mr
ancheta
was
also
a
legal
services
lawyer.
He
has
experience
in
the
nonprofit
sector
as
well
having
been
an
ed
both
in
northern
and
southern
california.
So
he
knows
the
state
very
well
and
his
expertise
when
he
was
in
the
non-profit.
E
Arena
of
legal
services
was
around
immigration
and
civil
rights
law,
so
you're
really
in
great
hands
for
this
presentation
this
evening,
and
so
we've
asked
mr
ancheta
to
share
a
backdrop
of
understanding
at
a
federal
level.
What
are
the
legal
parameters
really
guiding
the
redistricting
process
nationally
and
how
does
that
play
out
in
terms
of
the
work
that
you'll
do
day
to
day?
As
you
move
through
this
process,
I
met
mr
ancheta
because
we
were
commissioners
together
also
on
the
california
redistricting
commission.
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F
Great
okay,
very
good,
well
good
evening,
and
thank
you
for
having
me
this
evening,
I'm
going
to
cover
a
number
of
things
tonight,
but
I'm
going
to
focus
primarily
on
sort
of
the
law
of
redistricting
and
then
how
those
both
federal
and
state
and
local
laws
and
regulations
apply
to
your
redistricting
criteria
and
where
you
have
some
flexibility
in
terms
of
you're.
Applying
that
criteria
I'm
going
to
leave
it
to
your
counter.
F
F
There
are
some
specific
criteria
laid
out
in
there,
but
you
can
rely
to
some
extent
on
those
sort
of
general
principles
of
redistricting
as
well
as,
what's
in
the
state,
fair
maps
act
the
fair
maps
act.
Much
of
it
doesn't
apply
to
you
because
you're
a
charter
city,
but
you
can
draw
some
guidance
from
them
and
you
can
make
some
decisions
on
your
own
if
you
want
to
actually
follow
those
guidelines
more
more
closely.
F
There's
a
little
bit
of
uncertainty
right
now,
particularly
given
the
late
arrival
of
the
census
data
for
2020.
So
again,
I'll
leave
it
to
your
city
attorney
and
local
council
to
try
to
work
some
of
those
details
through
with
you,
okay,
okay,
so
some
general
sources
of
law
again
got
some
federal
constitutional
principles,
particularly
related
to
population
equality
among
the
districts,
some
guidelines
in
terms
of
the
uses
of
race
that
we
have
to
talk
about
a
little
bit.
The
federal
voting
rights
act,
which
is
applicable.
F
The
country
and
certainly
may
apply
to
some
of
the
districts
you're
drawing
for
san
jose
the
state
law,
which
has
is
fair,
a
fairly
recent
development
in
terms
of
laying
out
criteria
for
local
government,
a
lot
of
what's
in
the
state,
rather
the
city
charter
tracks.
What's
in
the
federal
or
rather
excuse
me
what's
in
the
city
charter,
attracts
what's
in
the
california
fair
maps
act,
but
there
are
some
differences
and
we
can
talk
about
some
of
those
differences
in
the
q.
F
F
Okay,
so
federal
law,
so
there
are,
there
are
two
sort
of
textual
sources
of
law
that
you
need
to
think
about.
One
is
the
14th
amendment
and
there's
an
equal
zone
as
the
equal
protection
clause
in
the
14th
amendment,
and
this
is
perhaps
the
most
overriding
set
of
requirements
that
you'll
have
to
think
about
in
terms
of
the
population
size
of
your
district.
F
F
There
are
also
some
limitations
on
how
you
look
at
race,
particularly
when
you
are
looking
at
communities
of
interest
that
may
be
drawn
on
racial
or
ethnic
grounds.
You
have
to
be
careful
about
how
you
do
that,
but
generally
when
you're,
looking
at
several
criteria
or
several
ways
of
drawing
communities
of
interest
as
long
as
you're
looking
at
race,
in
tandem
with
several
other
factors-
you're
generally,
okay-
but
we'll
cover
some
specifics
about
that.
F
So,
even
if
you
as
a
redistricting
body,
the
city
council,
or
even
the
lines
themselves,
if
they
are
drawn
without
the
intention
of
being
discriminatory,
they
may
still
have
a
discriminatory
effect
and
that's
again
without
any
animus
toward
minority
groups.
But
you
have
to
be
careful
about
how
you
draw
districts,
and
this
is
a
fairly
complicated
area
of
law.
I'm
going
to
cover
some
of
the
basics
tonight,
but
again
it's
something
where
you
might
want
to
think
about
again,
relying
on
your
city
attorney
or
maybe
drawing
on
some
outside
counsel.
F
If
you
think
it's
going
to
be
a
little
tricky
in
terms
of
some
of
the
districts
you're
going
to
draw
in
whether
you're
complying
with
with
the
vra
okay-
and
I
mentioned
one
of
the
major
cases
here-
thornberg
versus
jingles-
which
we'll
cover
a
little
bit
tonight
so
population
equality.
So
this
is
a
fundamental
requirement.
Under
the
federal
constitution,
there's
a
lot
of
case
law.
That's
evolved
since
the
1960s.
F
F
What
that
actually
means
mathematically,
but
you
get
a
fair
amount
of
leeway
to
have
some
discrepancies
among
the
districts
and
if
you
can
justify
them
well
by
again,
either
the
voting
rights
act
or
perhaps
some
other
criteria
like
communities
of
interest.
Then
you
can
have
districts
that
are
not
perfectly
equal,
but
you
should
strive,
of
course,
to
try
to
keep
them
as
close
as
possible
to
equal
size.
F
F
You
have
to
look
at
total
population,
that's
non-citizens
included
and
as
well
as
undocumented
individuals
as
well
you're
going
to
get
data.
Ultimately,
it
should
come
probably
or
be
available
at
the
local
level.
Probably
sometime
in
september,
it's
not
entirely
clear
exactly
when
the
federal
census
bureau
is
going
to
transmit
it
to
the
statewide
database,
which
is
the
source
for
all
the
redistricting
data
for
the
state.
F
But
the
expectation
is
that
some
of
that
data
will
be
ready
to
go
by
mid
to
late
september,
maybe
early
october,
at
the
latest.
Okay,
there
are
going
to
be
some
adjustments
to
the
data
that
you
are
required
to
follow.
One
of
those
adjustments
is
prisoner,
reallocations,
okay,
so
under
us
under
state
law,
individuals
with
known
addresses
in
the
california
correctional
system
are
going
to
be
placed
not
in
the
place
of
incarceration,
but
in
their
last
known,
address.
F
Okay,
so
that
data
is
going
to
be
you
don't
have
to
do
that
yourself,
that'll,
be
done
by
the
statewide
database
and
they'll
give
you
the
data
set.
That
makes
those
adjustments
already.
So
nothing
you
have
to
worry
about,
but
you
should
just
be
aware
of
the
fact
that
that's
going
to
happen
as
part
of
the
process.
Okay,
so
again,
total
population
and
the
statewide
database
will
adjust
it
to
make
sure
that
prisoner
allocations
are
completed.
F
So
again,
you're
allowed
some
deviation
between
the
districts.
It's
not
something
you
have
to
worry
about
too
much
because
redistricting
partners
has
you
know
the
most
recent
software
and
it's
full
of
all
these
bells
and
whistles
that
you'll
learn
about
keeps
a
running
tally
of
the
disparities
among
the
districts
and
the
population
size
of
each
district.
So
nothing
you
have
to
really
think
about.
F
I
only
listed
here
simply
because
there's
sort
of
a
formula
or
there's
a
number
of
different
ways
of
calculating
it,
basically
you're
looking
at
what
an
ideal
district
size
would
be.
So
if
you
just
had
the
population
of
san
jose,
let's
say
it's
new:
it's
certainly
over
a
million
at
this
point.
It's
it's
1.1
million
you're,
creating
10
districts,
your
ideal
district.
F
If
everything
were
absolutely
equal
about
110
000,
if
you
had
some
variation
among
the
districts,
you
subtract
the
smallest
one
from
the
largest
one,
and
then
you
make
you
make
a
mathematical
calculation.
And
then
you
just
see
what
what's
that
deviation
between
the
largest
and
the
smallest
and
generally
you're
allowed
to
go
up
to
10.
If,
if
you
want
to
set
guidelines
that
are
below
10,
that's
fine,
that's
your
prerogative!
F
The
14th
amendment
also
has
some
prohibitions
on
racial
gerrymandering.
This
will
become,
I
think,
clearer
as
well
when
we
talk
about
the
rights
act
and
race-based
communities
of
interest,
but
there
is
an
overriding
concern
with
the
use
of
race,
as,
what's
known
as
a
predominant
factor
in
redistricting
now
there
are
some
exceptions
to
the
use
of
race.
Certainly
if
you're
trying
to
comply
with
the
federal
voting
rights,
I
can
create
districts
that
don't
dilute
minority
voting,
strength
and
I'll
cover
that,
in
my
moments,
terms
of
what
that
actually
means.
F
But
you
have
to
consider
race.
Obviously,
when
you
are
trying
to
look
at
districts
that
will
maintain
minority
opportunities
minority
power
within
a
district.
So
that's
a
that's
a
certainly
a
consideration.
That's
a
way
of
looking
at
racism
as
an
important
factor,
not
the
predominant
one
that
generally,
if
you're,
relying
on
federal
voting
rights
act
we'll
get
you
sort
of
an
exception
to
this
prohibition.
F
Typically,
when
the
courts
have
looked
at
this
problem,
it's
the
what
might
be
called
the
overuse
of
race
or
racist
or
the
only
thing
that's
been
considered,
there's
an
attention
to
the
shape
of
the
district.
If
it's
very
oddly
shaped,
and
not
very
compact,
because
you're
trying
to
pick
up
minority
populations
throughout
the
jurisdiction
that
might
trigger
this
problem,
the
main
thing
here
is
that
either
use
the
voting
rights.
F
I
can
be
confident
that
you're
complying
with
the
voting
rights
in
the
consider
the
consideration
race
or,
if
you're,
looking
at
communities
of
interest
or
some
other
factor
that
you
want
to
take
into
account
that
you
are
looking
at
other
factors
as
well
as
well.
So
you
know,
certainly
you
can
look
at
race
in
tandem
with
income
economic
status,
there
may
be
some
geographic
factors,
or
maybe
things
related
to
say,
housing
patterns
or
rental
versus
home
ownership.
A
F
May
be
some
employers
that
are
concentrating
particular
areas
that
draw
on
the
local
population.
Those
populations
have
something
in
common,
besides
race,
so
you're
a
pretty
safe
ground
if
you're
looking
at
race
in
tandem
with
a
number
of
other
factors
that
play
into
the
calculations,
you're
making.
Okay,
but
again,
be
careful
and
don't
just
say:
well,
here's
a
here's,
the
latino
district
and
we're
just
drawing
it
because
want
to
keep
latinos
in
the
same
district.
You
have
to
be
more
careful
about
how
you
construct
positioning
and
what
your
justifications
are.
F
Okay,
15th
amendment
again,
the
presumption
is
that
you're
not
going
to
do
this
intentionally
that
you're
not
going
to
draw
lines
that
are
designed
designed
to
weaken
minority
voting
blocks,
but
be
aware
that
there
is
a
prohibition
in
the
federal
constitution
under
the
15th
amendment
on
this
intentional
discrimination,
and
that
intentional
discrimination
is
also
unlawful
under
the
federal
voting
rights
act.
This
is
a
area
where
I'm
simply
going
to
introduce
these
terms.
You've
probably
heard
of
them
before.
F
Okay,
there
are
times
when
you
want
to
try
to
concentrate
minority
voters,
but
there
can
be
problems
if
you
put
too
many
of
them
into
a
single
district,
so
that
you're
in
essence
diluting
the
strength
of
voters
who
could
be
put
in
another
district
and
exercise
power
in
that
second
district.
So
packing
can
be
a
problem.
F
The
other
term,
that's
often
used,
is
what's
known
as
what's
known
as
cracking.
Excuse
me,
what's
known
as
cracking
and
that's
simply
splintering
minority
population
so
where
you
might
be
able
to
have
a
concentrated
population
within
one
district,
there
might
be
a
majority
population
that
could
control
a
district.
You
divide
it
up
into
multiple
districts,
so
you
split
it
between
two
or
three
or
even
more
districts,
and
that
in
that
sense,
dilute
the
power
of
that
building.
F
F
Those
are
ways
of
sort
of
you
know
putting
minority
populations
in
areas
that
may
have
already
large
nonminority
populations
they're
very
a
little
more
specific
than
the
terms
packing
and
cracking.
But
I'm
happy
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
those
there's,
not
a
necessarily
universal
definition
for
what's
called
stacking.
But
there
are
different
things
you
can
do
to
try
to
move
minority
populations
and
combine
them
with
other
populations,
but
to
do
it
to
lose
their
minority,
their
voting
power.
F
Okay,
so
federal
voting
rights
act.
Okay,
so
you
you
are
bound
by
the
federal
voter
rights
act
and
just
as
a
bit
of
or
as
a
reminder,
there
have
been
other
sections
of
the
voting
rights
act
that
were
in
place.
They
were
not
necessarily
applicable
to
santa
clara
county
or
san
jose
specifically,
but
you
might
have
been
aware
of
what's
called
section
5
of
the
voting
rights
act
that
is
no
longer
operable,
it
might
be
operable
if
there's
some
restoration
legislation
in
the
congress.
F
F
But
the
thing
to
note
here
is
that
other
groups
that
are
not
specifically
covered
under
the
vra
other
ethnic
groups
are
not
required
to
be,
or
you
don't
have
to
look
at
them
necessarily
in
terms
of
voting
rights
act
compliance
even
though
you
might
have
a
number
of
communities
of
interest
that
are
based
on
different
ethnicities
or
different
languages.
So,
for
example,
you
might
have
a
middle
eastern
population
or
an
arab
american
population
that
is
concentrated
in
a
particular
neighborhood
and
that
might
constitute
a
population.
F
That's
worth
protecting
it's
not
specifically
covered
by
the
vra,
but
you
might
want
to
cover
it
as
a
as
a
neighborhood
or
a
community
of
interests.
But
you
need
to
be
aware
that
when
you
have
the
vra
covering
a
particular
group
that
that
triggers
a
lot
of
different
requirements
and
that
triggers
certain
standards
that
are
applicable
to
what
you're
doing
with
your
districts-
okay
again,
it's
simply
occurring
through
packing
or
cracking
we'll
cover
in
a
moment
what
what
that
means
in
terms
of
some
of
the
districts
you're
going
to
be
drawing.
F
There
is
a
major
case
called
thornburg
versus
jingles,
we'll
cover
that
in
a
moment
in
terms
of
the
test
under
thornburg
versus
jingles.
The
thing
that's
important
to
know
is:
you
are,
in
essence,
complying
with
the
voting
rights
act
by
anticipating
potential
litigation
under
the
voting
rights
act
and
then
drawing
districts
that
you
think
would
not
subject
you
to
litigation
or
if
you
were
were
to
be
sued,
you'd
be
successful
in
in
winning
that
loss.
F
It's
not
a
set
of
requirements
that
are
set
out
in
the
law
and
say
here
draw
this
kind
of
district.
Okay,
you
have
to
do
that.
It's
essentially
a
calculation
where
you
say
well.
We
think
that
if
we
draw
this
particular
district,
let's
say
it's
a
majority
latino
district
on
the
east
side,
for
example,
we
would
say:
well,
I
think,
we're
going
to
comply
with
the
voting
rights
act,
we're
going
to
minimize
our
exposure
to
litigation
or
even
if
we
were
we
could.
F
We
could
defend
on
the
basis
of
our
interpretation
of
the
vra
and
how
we
we
drew
those
districts,
so
you
may
not
get
sued
at
all.
That's
a
good
thing,
but
you
have
to
think
about
it
as
a
sort
of
a
defensive
posture
as
you're
drawing
your
districts.
Would
we
get
sued
here?
If
we
don't
draw,
say
a
majority
of
latino
districts
on
the
east
side
or
don't
configure
the
lines
in
a
certain
way,
okay,
but
it
doesn't
necessarily
mandate,
for
example,
majority
minority
districts.
F
You
can
make
some
decisions
that
would
be
fully
compliant
with
the
vray
that
don't
necessarily
create
highly
concentrated
populations.
Okay
and
we'll
cover
that
in
just
a
moment
in
some
details:
okay,
okay,
so
thornberg
versus
jingles.
This
is
a
case
from
the
mid-80s
and
there
is
a
test
under
thornberg
versus
jingle,
so
they're
called
the
jingles
factors
and
in
essence
this
is
a
way
of
determining
whether
there
is
what
is
called
minority
vote.
Dilution
that
has
occurred
in
a
jurisdiction.
F
But
it's
an
important
one
and
it's
the
one
that
you
have
to
be
attended
to,
particularly
as
you're
drawing
districts
with
high
concentrations
of
minority
voters
and
typically
in
the
city
like
san
jose.
It's
going
to
be
the
latino
and
a
number
of
different
asian
subgroups
that
you're
going
to
have
to
pay
attention
to
okay.
So
first
part
of
the
test
is
the
minority
group,
large
and
geographic,
geographically,
compact
and
typically
that's
meant
that
it
is
over
50
of
the
citizen
voting
age
population.
F
F
You
have
to
go
a
little
bit
above
50
as
an
example
when
we
were
drawing
state
lines
10
years
ago,
a
number
of
districts
that
we
drew
were
in
the
high
50s
and
low
60s
in
order
to
take
into
account
lower
citizenship
levels
and
lower
turnout
levels
among
latino
populations
in
southern
california,
as
an
example.
Okay.
So
if
you're
dealing
with
a
population
is
just
sort
of
short
of
50
percent,
you
know.
Does
that
mean
you?
You
don't
have
to
draw
a
majority
district
or
draw
a
district
that
includes
that
population.
F
F
Are
we
going
to
get
in
trouble
by
packing
too
many
into
one
district,
when
we
could
have
split
them
up,
among
maybe
two
districts?
Okay,
so
again,
this
is
a.
This
is
a
general
benchmark
that
you're
looking
at
the
50
mark,
but
it's
something
that
you
have
to
certainly
look
at.
If
the
numbers
are
there,
okay,
so
parts
two
and
three
of
the
tests
are
tied
in
together.
So
the
second
factor
is:
do
the
minorities
vote
together,
typically
to
support
their
preferred
candidates?
F
Very
often
that's
what's
known
as
a
co-ethnic
candidate,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
so
it
doesn't
mean
necessarily
the
latino's
preferred
candidate
is
a
latino
candidate.
It
might
be
a
person
of
a
different
ethnicity
or
race,
but
that's
often
the
pattern
where
you
see
co-ethnic
voting
for
minority
groups-
okay
and
then
the
third
factor
is
sort
of
the
opposite
of
that
which
is
non-minority
voters.
This
is
often
called
white
block
voting,
but
it
can
simply
be
a
combination
of
voters
other
than
the
minority
groups
that
you're
looking
at.
F
So
it's
maybe
non-latino
voters,
but
it's
often
a
white
voting
bloc.
So
in
essence,
that
voting
block
tends
to
vote
against
a
preferred
candidate.
So
again
it
doesn't
have
to
necessarily
be
the
minority.
Co-Ethnic
candidate
can
be
different
depending
on
the
circumstances,
but
there's
some
polarization
of
voting
so
parts
two
and
three
of
the
jingles
tests
are
often
combined
together
into
what's
called
racially
polarized
voting,
and
you
know,
depending
on
how
much
you're
going
to
look
into
this.
F
How
much
you
may
have
in
terms
of
your
budget
to
you
know,
do
some
investigation
around
racially
polarized
voting.
It's
certainly
safer
to
try
to
get
into
that
kind
of
analysis,
but
there
are,
you
know
less
expensive
ways
of
commissioning
it
yourself.
You
might
be
able
to
rely
on
outside
groups.
There
may
be
other
redistricting
bodies
like
the
state
commission
that
are
doing
some
polarized
voting
analysis.
So
it's
something
to
think
about.
F
If
you
have
sizable
populations
that
you
want
to
maybe
make
sure
that
you're
you're
not
causing
any
problems
under
the
vra
okay,
let
me
mention
here
that
there's
also
a
separate
set
of
set
of
requirements
that
are
required
under
jingles.
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
all
of
this,
but
in
essence
you
look
at
the
history
of
discrimination
within
a
jurisdiction.
F
You
have
to
look
at
past
electoral
patterns,
a
number
of
different
sort
of
empirical
inquiries
into
how
the
history
of
discrimination
might
have
manifested
itself
within
a
city
or
a
county.
So
you
know
as
you're
going
forward.
You
may
hear
from
different
advocacy
groups
in
in
the
city
to
say:
well,
we
we
think
you
ought
to
draw
a
particular
district
under
the
vra.
F
F
Okay,
so
there
are
some
some
some
issues
you
have
to
think
about.
You
know
you're
an
advisory
commission.
You
know,
I
don't
know
how
much
your
budget
is.
This
can
add
up
a
bit
if
you're,
if
you're,
trying
to
do
a
really
thorough
job
you're,
not
the
one
suing
you're
trying
to
decide
whether
you
know
the
districts
you're
drawing
are
compliant
with
the
law
and
whether
you
might
get
sued.
So
you
have
to
figure
out
well
how
much
do
we
have
to
spend
to
do
this?
Can
we
do
this?
F
Actually,
so
that's
something
you'll
have
to
I.
I
would
suggest
you
sort
of
talk
that
through
in
terms
of
what
your
budget
and
resources
and
time
you
have
to
actually
put
the
lines
together.
But
that's
something
to
think
about.
You
know
whether
you
want
an
outside
counsel
is
another
another
question.
F
You
know
how
you
configure
your
districts.
Do
you
have
the
possibility
of
creating
what
are
called
influence
districts?
These
are
districts
that
are
less
than
50
percent,
but
you
know
you're,
not
it's
not
a
claim
that
can
be
based
in
the
voting
rights
attack
in
terms
of
a
population
less
than
50
percent.
The
supreme
court
has
been
pretty
clear
about
saying:
well,
influence
districts
aren't
necessarily
mandated,
but
you
have
a
policy
decision
to
make.
F
If
you
see
well,
you
know
we
could
make
one
big
major
one
majority
minority
district-
or
we
might
you
know-
maybe
divide
this
population
up
among
two
districts,
something
to
think
about
something.
To
talk
to
your
attorneys
about
again,
I'm
sure
you'll
get
feedback
from
various
advocacy
groups
about
how
you
know
what
might
be
optimal
in
terms
of
their
positions
on
creating
districts,
so
something
that
may
come
up
as
an
issue.
F
You
know
you
again,
you
might
look
at
how
communities
of
interest
and
neighborhoods
are
coming
in
as
input
for
for
your
decision
making
and
you
know,
can
you
look
at
some
districts
that
may
again
include
populations
that
aren't
specifically
covered
by
the
vra
but
are
maybe
worth
combining
with
minority
populations
or
might
be
creating
some
tension
there
between
groups?
You
know
this
is
part
of
redistricting
as
you're
drawing
the
lines.
How
do
we?
F
How
do
we
pair
up
or
combine
groups
versus
how
do
we
keep
some
separate
because
they've
told
us
what
they
don't?
They
don't
seem
to
really
belong
together
in
a
single
district,
okay
coalition
districts.
That's
another
issue
that
you
might
have
to
address.
You
know,
as
you
you
know,
are
well
aware.
There
are
a
lot
of
different
ethnic
and
racial
concentrations
within
the
city,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
areas
where
the
populations
are
a
bit
more
dispersed
or
they're
combined
or
there's
a
lot
of
overlap.
F
That
kind
of
consideration
is
certainly
possible
to
look
at
it's
a
challenge,
though.
It's
not.
You
know
it's
a
tough
set
of
questions
when
you're
looking
at
well.
Should
we
draw
a
majority
latino
district
here?
Should
we
draw
a
majority
asian
district
here?
Should
we
combine
them
and
make
a
couple
of
you
know
coalition
districts,
not
easy
questions,
but
something
that
you
know
that
you
might
have
to
think
about
as
you're
as
you're
moving
forward
and
there's
a
lot
of
other
criteria
that
you
have
to
consider
as
well.
F
So
it's
it's
something
that
I
would
certainly
ask
you
to
think
about:
don't
just
sort
of
look
at
populations
in
isolation
but
think
about
how
they
might
be
combined.
And
if
you
have
data
to
show
that
there's
you
know,
coalitional
voting
that's
occurred
in
the
past.
That's
really
something
to
take
into
account
as
you're
drawing
the
districts.
F
F
Okay,
so
those
are
you
know
some
of
the
basic
federal
requirements.
Let
me
cover
some
of
the
state
requirements
that
are
in
the
fair
maps
act
again,
there's
an
exemption
for
charter
cities,
and
I'm
assuming
unless
I
say
the
attorneys
tell
you
otherwise,
I'm
assuming
that
the
city
charter
does
qualify
for
the
for
the
exemption.
F
So
there
are
multiple
criteria
in
the
in
the
charter
for
redistricting
and
they're,
very
similar
to
the
fair
maps
act
which
covers
counties
and
various
cities
and
school
boards,
and
it's
very
similar
to
the
state
level
redistricting
criteria
as
well,
but
there
are
a
few
differences
and
I'll
cover
those
in
a
few
minutes.
Okay,
there
are
some
things
that
san
jose
and
other
charter
cities
are
not
exempt
from.
F
F
F
In
essence,
the
political
party
or
party
affiliation
of
your
of
the
district
itself
or
that's
not
a
consideration
you're
supposed
to
take
into
account,
in
other
words,
you're
not
supposed
to
draw
a
pro-republican,
pro-democrat
or
or
anti-uh
partisan
districts
as
you're
drawing
your
districts.
Okay,
that's
not
a
prohibition
necessarily
on
incumbency,
and
that
is
a
prohibition
that
is
in
the
state
law
and
it
can
be
applied
in
a
lot
of
places,
but
you
don't
have
a
specific
prohibition
that
I'm
aware
of
whether
you
do
want
to
do
that
as
another
question.
F
F
Okay,
so
let
me
go
through
a
couple
of
these
criteria.
Now
again,
you
have.
Let
me
just
jump
forward
for
a
second
go
to
the
city
charter,
so
the
city
charter
has
some
language
in
it.
That
applies
various
criteria
again.
Population
equality
is
at
the
top
and
the
vra
applies
regardless
of
what
the
city
charter
mentions.
F
Is
it
or
not,
but
there
are
a
number
of
different
individual
criteria
that
are
listed
here
in
the
city
charter
they're,
not
ranked
necessarily,
so
you
have
to
decide
how
you're
going
to
prioritize
if
you're
going
to
prioritize
any
of
the
criteria
and
again
a
number
of
these
are
very
similar
or
track.
The
language
that
you
can
find
in
the
state
law,
as
well
as
in
sort
of
general
principles
of
redistricting,
so
you've
got
natural
boundaries,
geography,
cohesiveness
or
cohesion
is
a
little
less
clear.
F
How
that
necessarily
factors
into
or
how
that
tracks
general
principles
contiguity
is
a
common
factor.
Compactness
is
another
common
factor,
and
then
you
have
communities
of
interest
as
well.
So
those
are
that's
what's
in
the
city
charter,
but
I
want
to
go
back
again
to
the
state
law
because
it
helps
you
give
you
a
little
more
guidance
in
terms
of
what
you
can
apply
now
again,
you
don't
have
to
do
it
exactly
the
way
the
state
law
does
it.
F
It's
helpful
guidance,
the
principles
pretty
much
track,
how
a
lot
of
places
do
redistricting,
but
I
think
you
have
some
discretion
as
an
advisory
body
to
to
you
know
to
interpret
those
criteria
as
you
wish.
But
there
are,
you
know
again
another
there's
a
lot
of
history
involved
here,
there's
a
lot
of
existing
law
that
you
can
follow
if
you
choose
to
follow-
and
I
should
also
mention
that
in
the
state
redistricting
criteria,
as
well
as
in
the
fair
maps
act,
these
criteria
are
ranked
in
this
order.
F
Okay,
so
if
there's
a
conflict,
for
example
between
making
a
district
contiguous,
that
is
basically
you
know
it
all
kind
of
doesn't
jump
around
for
lack
of
a
better
way
of
putting
it
versus,
say
a
community
of
interest
or
compactness.
Let's
say
the
state
law
says:
well,
one
one
of
those
higher
right
rank
criteria
will
trump
the
lower
rank
criteria.
F
You
don't
have
that
requirement
on
you
at
this
point,
given
how
the
charter
is
worded,
but
you
can
certainly
do
that
if
you
want
to-
and
certainly
if
you're
going
to
do,
that,
you
should
articulate
that
as
a
policy
decision
that
you're
going
to
actually
rank
a
particular
criteria
in
a
certain
way
again,
you
you
have
no
discretion
or
very
little
discretion
in
terms
of
a
federal
law.
You
have
some
discretion
about
the
population
district
size,
but
and
the
variation,
but
you
can't
escape
the
federal
constitutional
crimes.
F
You
can't
escape
the
voting
rights
act,
so
you
have
to
follow
those
and
those
typically
are
the
top-ranked
criteria.
So
you
have
to
follow
those
first
if
there
are
any
conflicts,
but
these
later
criteria
or
the
other
criteria
that
are
available
to
you.
You
know
again,
you
have
to
make
a
decision
about
how
you
want
to
prioritize
them
and
if
there
are
conflicts,
how
are
you
going
to
reconcile
those
conflicts?
That's
some
of
those
are
some
of
the
tougher
decisions
you
have
to
make
as
a
redistricting
body.
F
How
do
you
resolve
the
confidence
among
different
criteria?
Okay,
so
contiguity?
In
essence,
this
is
a
way
of
just
saying.
Well,
the
the
district
boundaries
are
connected.
Okay,
they
don't
jump
around.
You
know
I
don't
know
specifically,
if
there's
been
any
recent
annexations
for
the
city
of
san
jose.
Sometimes
you
have
to
deal
with
non-contiguous
territory.
You
know
you
know
all
sudden,
you
know
the
there's
a
parcel
of
land,
that's
not
connected
directly
to
the
city
boundaries,
but
it's
you
know
it's!
F
You
suddenly
you've
taken
over
part
of
gilroy,
so
as
an
example,
it's
a
complete
hypothetical,
but
it's
part
of
san
jose
right.
So
it's
not
contiguous,
but
you
can
obviously
put
that
in
part
of
a
district,
because
it's
part
of
the
city.
Okay,
but
generally
you
don't
want
your
district
sort
of
jumping
around
in
the
district
boundaries.
The
points
that
are
part
of
the
lines
that
connect
the
district
have
to
be
connected:
okay,
maintaining
integrity
of
neighborhoods
and
local
communities
of
interest.
F
You
have
a
whole
session
on
communities
of
interest,
I'm
not
going
to
cover
that
in
any
depth.
It
looks
like
you've
already
put
out
some
materials
on
it
and
you
know
forms
and
various
languages.
That's
that's
great.
I'm
happy
to
address
that.
If
you
have
any,
you
know
additional
questions
about
it,
but
generally
communities
of
interest
is
a
fairly
well
as
applied.
F
I
should
also
note
that
neighborhoods
is
not
in
the
city
charter,
but
it's
often
how
folks
think
about
their
local
communities,
they
sort
of
say
well,
my
neighborhood
is
this
or
this
is
this
is
alum
rock.
You
know
this
is
the
east
side,
so
it's
a
commonly
used
term
that
they
might
use.
It's
not
necessarily
a
community,
the
interest
that
they
think
about,
I
think
of
themselves
within
a
neighborhood.
F
So
that
may
be
some
overlap
there
in
terms
of
how
people
give
you
input,
okay,
but
it's
not
specifically
mentioned
as
a
criterion
under
the
charter:
okay,
natural
boundaries,
street
lines.
Obviously
you're
you're,
not
gonna.
You
know
you're
not
going
into
morgan
hill
or
you're,
not
you're,
not
going
into
santa
clara.
You
are
limited
to
the
boundaries
of
the
city
of
san
jose.
F
You
know
there
are
going
to
be
some.
You
know
some
lines
that
come
up.
You
know.
Major
freeways
are
going
to
divide
areas,
rivers,
the
guadalupe
lupe
river,
for
example.
That's
that
can
be
a
boundary
that
could
separate
districts,
not
necessarily,
but
that's
an
example
of
a
natural
boundary
that
you
might
want
to
respect
compactness.
F
So
compactness
there
is
language
in
the
state
law,
as
well
as
a
fair
maps
act,
and
this
I
quoted
it
here
so
in
a
manner
that
nearby
pop
areas
of
population
are
not
bypassed.
In
other
words,
you
you
try
to
keep
closer
populations
with
within
an
area,
not
sort
of
jump
over
or
try
to
stretch
out
to
pick
up
more
distant
populations,
I'll
defer
to
redistricting
partners
in
terms
of
how
that
works
within
the
software.
F
But
you
know
there
are
mathematical
formulas
that
are
often
used
in
software
packages
a
lot
of
times.
You
just
have
to
look
at
the
district,
but
you
look
and
say
well
that
sort
of
a
finger
here-
that's
kind
of
going
out
past,
where
we
might
expect
it
to
normally
go,
and
maybe
we
could
keep
it
tighter
within
the
district
to
just
go
to
sort
of
keep
it
not
so
far
out.
A
F
It
is
a
lower
ranking
criterion,
but
you
have
some
discretion
here
to
to
elevate
it
if
you
want
to,
but
I
only
bring
it
to
your
attention
that
a
lot
of
times
when
you're
talking
with
the
public,
they
they
really
elevate
compactness
to
a
very
high
level,
because
it's
just
sort
of
how
how
nice
do
the
maps
look?
Okay,
even
though
there
might
be
a
lot
of
reasons
for
not
having
perfectly
compact
districts,
including
population
quality
and
bra
compliance,
okay,.
F
F
F
F
Okay,
communities
of
interest
again,
you've
covered
it
fairly
thoroughly
in
past
sessions,
so
we'll
go
into
that.
Okay,
there
is
some
language
in
the
city
council
resolution
you
know
again.
The
city
attorney
can
go
into
more
specifics
or
sort
of
multiple
resolutions
that
were
passed
a
couple
months
ago.
So
there
was,
there
were
specific
references
to
protecting
minority
groups.
Again,
this
language
tends
to
track
the
test
under
the
jingles
factors.
F
A
A
F
And
just
a
couple
suggestions
here
and
again:
you
you
have
a
lot
of
discretion
as
a
committee
here
to
to
look
at
the
criteria,
but,
as
I've
mentioned
before,
do
you
want
to
develop
some
rankings
for
those
criteria?
Again,
then,
you've
got
some
precedence
at
the
state
level
and
at
the
end
of
the
fair
maps
act
I
would
suggest
that
you
think
about
how
you're
going
to
address
conflicts
among
the
criteria
or
or
maybe
within
criteria.
F
A
lot
of
that
is
judgment,
but
a
lot
of
that
can
be
sort
of
laid
out
more
specifically,
so
at
least
you're
all
aware
of
what
the
principles
are
for.
Reconciling
those
conflicts
and
again,
as
I
mentioned
before,
just
the
supremacy
of
federal
law
makes
the
federal
constitutional
and
the
vra
requirements
overriding.
F
F
Okay,
that
you
know
that,
if
you're
going
to
rank
the
criteria
that
the
public
is
aware
of
that
or
if
you're
going
to
say
well,
we're
going
to
you
know,
weigh
a
certain
amount
of
testimony
more
more
than
we
might
say
in
individuals
that
that
that's
something
that
the
public
would
be
aware
of.
Okay,
so
the
openness
of
the
policy
of
the
policy
making
and
the
drafts
that
you
put
together
makes
a
big
difference.
B
D
G
If
a
person
says
that
I
am
not
good
enough
to
live
next
door
to
him,
if
a
person
says
that
I'm
not
good
enough
to
eat
at
the
same
lunch
counter
as
him,
he
is
saying
consciously
or
subconsciously
that
I
do
not
deserve
to
exist.
This
is
genocide,
that's
the
definition
of
it
as
a
city
as
a
collective.
We
really
have
to
get
comfortable
with
talking
about
race
and
confronting
the
people
that
have
profited
from
that
over
generations.
G
At
my
expense,
I
don't
have
generational
wealth
to
receive
from
my
ancestors
because
of
those
policies
and
people
in
willow
glen
in
the
rose
garden
area
are
sitting
comfortably
on
that
wealth
with
absolutely
no
no
moral
or
ethical
challenge
to
the
fact
that
what
they're
sitting
on
in
this
elitist
attitude
and
the
power
they
exert
within
the
council
is
done
because
people
won't
confront
these
issues
because
of
how
politically
compromised
and
people
are
afraid
I
get
it.
I
know
people
are
afraid.
G
A
C
Hi
blair
beekman
here.
Thank
you
to
try
to
comment
a
bit
to
respect
paul
soto's
words.
I
was
just
speaking
today
in
oakland
they're
having
issues
about
translation
issues
for
their
public
meeting
process.
They
don't
have
the
budget
money
to
do
that,
and
san
jose
has
had
a
difficult
time.
Zoom
is
charging
300
bucks
an
hour
for
each
language
that
is
put
on
to
the
zoom
broadcasts.
C
That's
a
lot
and
I
think
it
speaks
to
basically
to
english-only
ideas
that
were
introduced
in
the
1980s
and
that
kind
of
swept
through
the
state
and
the
country
that
made
the
process
of
multi-languages
really
difficult
and
we're
just
trying
to
learn
how
to
address
that
issue.
Now
in
san
jose
they've
done
some
good
work,
but
just
to
be
aware
of
the
issue
and
what
we
need
to
work
on
and
work
towards
to
have
some
knowledge
about
our
past.
C
It's
important
how
to
break
through
into
our
good
future,
because
I
think,
sharing
languages
in
the
future
will
be
much
more
important
than
it
has
been
in
the
past
in
this
country
and
in
the
state
in
this
area.
Good
luck
in
the
efforts
to
work
on
that
I
wanted
to
quickly
offer.
Thank
you
for
all
the
for
this
item.
It
was
spoken
about
at
the
charter
commission
meeting
this
past
monday.
It
was
very
nicely
asked.
C
It
was
answered
that
it
has
to
go
through
the
city
manager
and
for
the
city
manager
to
come
back
with
reports
to
the
study
group
and
and
explain
things
which
you
know.
It's
a
fine
system,
don't
be
afraid
to
talk
to
each
other
openly
about
the
subject
matter
and
and
try
to
come
to
realizations
and
understandings
and.
B
Okay,
thank
you
I'll
now
turn
it
over.
If
there
are
any
questions
from
our
commissioners
for
our
presenter,
you
could
raise
your
hand
in
the
in
I
don't
see
any
hand
so
I'll
start.
Mr
and
chetta.
You
didn't
speak
too
much
on
the
community
of
interest
component
to
me.
It's
still
kind
of
a
very
abstract
idea,
and
I
was
wondering
if
you
might
be
able
to
offer
either
examples
or
certain
factors
that
we
might
consider
as
we
try
to.
I
guess,
define
this
or
see
these
groups.
A
F
F
If
you
want
to
I,
I
would
caution
you
against
airing
it
too
much
because
again,
you
can
lose
some
important
commentary,
but
at
the
same
time
you
can,
if
you
at
least
give
guidance
to
the
public
on
what
might
be
inappropriate
information
or
public
input
that
you
can
save
yourselves
and
people
a
lot
of
time
and
a
lot
of
getting
a
lot
of
data.
That's
not
that
helpful!
So
let
me
have
an
example
of
stuff
that
might
not
be
that
helpful
to
you.
F
Okay,
so
you're
the
city
of
san
jose
or
you're
driving
for
the
city
of
san
jose
a
lot
of
times.
People
forget
that
they're
within
a
particular
jurisdiction
and
that
they
have
to
articulate
communities
of
interest
that
fall
within
the
boundaries
of
a
particular
jurisdiction
right
or
that
you're
drawing
districts.
That
can
only
be
certain
a
certain
size
because
you
you're
not
going
to
draw
out
you
know:
you're,
not
drawing
five
districts,
you're,
not
drawing
20
districts,
you're
going
to
be
doing
10
districts
right.
F
So
you
have
to
make
sure
that
the
public
is
aware
of
the
fact
that
a
community
of
interest
needs
to
fit
within
a
particular
set
of
guidelines
in
terms
of
just
the
geography.
So
you
know
here's
a
here's
how
big
a
district
will
have
to
be
so
if
you
articulate
a
really
broad
community
of
interest,
let's
say
you
need
to
protect
the
latino
community
in
san
jose.
Okay,
that's
a
legitimate
basis
for
a
community
of
interest,
but
it
doesn't
help
you
in
terms
of
well.
F
Can
you
you
know,
give
us
a
little
bit
more
than
that,
because
if
it's
just
the
latino,
just
the
latino
community
of
interest
in
san
jose?
Well,
that's
pretty
big
right,
and
how
does
that
help
us
draw
particular
lines?
Or
can
you
be
more
specific
about
boundaries,
or
can
you
get
more
granular
about
where
those
lines
could
be
drawn?
Okay,
now
there
are
some
things
that
are,
you
know,
maybe
a
little
more
specific.
F
F
You
know
there
may
be
a
high
percentage
of
renters
that
live
near
an
airport
or
the
housing
values
tend
to
be
lower.
Okay,
so
there's
a
there's,
a
geographic
there's,
a
geographic
point.
You
know
an
airport
which
is
a
transportation
hub
which
the
people
around
it
have
something
in
common.
Now
you
know,
depending
on
where
that
airport
happens.
You
know
san
jose
airport
is
pretty
close
to
downtown.
F
So
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
live
near
that
airport,
other
airports
may
be
sort
of
further
out,
or
even
you
know,
at
the
very
edge
of
a
city.
So
how
you
factor
in
that
kind
of
thing
can
can
be
a
good
example
of
how
you
have
a
very
well-defined
geographic
entity,
an
airport,
a
physical
space
which
has
you
know,
jobs
and
things.
F
You
know
things
literally
flying
in
and
out
of
it
that
affect
the
people
who
live
near
near
it
and
that
that's,
I
think,
a
good
example
of
well
do
those
people
have
enough
in
common
that
you
know
those
interests
need
to
be
represented
on
the
city
council,
okay.
So
a
lot
of
this
also
ties
in
with
what
are
appropriate
policy
making
responsibilities
for
the
city
council
as
well,
because
and
again
the
public
often
doesn't
think
about.
Well,
you
know,
city
council.
F
I
need
to
think
more
about
more
local
stuff
than
you
know,
big
stuff.
You
know
big
stuff
that
might
be
handled
on
the
federal
level.
So
if
I
come
and
say
well,
you
know
we
need
to
do
something
about
immigration
right
and
you
know
maybe
there's
an
interest
that
concentrates
because
of
immigration
interest.
Well,
there
are
local
policies
that
deal
with
immigrants
and
immigration,
there's
federal
border
policy,
which
is
not
something
specifically
that
might
be
under
the
purview
of
the
city
council,
but
it's
something
to
tie.
F
There's
some
areas
of
that
enforcement
that
tie
in
with
city
council
decision
maker,
okay,
so
do
the
interests
that
are
being
articulated.
Actually
relate
to
being
represented
by
city
council
policies
or
by
a
city
council
member
who's
in
a
particular
district.
Okay.
So
you
know
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
balancing
act
just
to
get
back
to
the
basic
point,
which
is
that
communities
of
interest
typically
are
left
open-ended.
F
But
if
it's
too
open-ended-
and
you
say
well-
no
talk
about
your
community-
well,
you're
gonna
you
have
to
or
just
have
to
be
prepared
to
get
a
lot
of
data
in
this
sort.
Okay,
one
of
the
harder
questions
you
have
to
deal
with,
particularly
if
you
have
a
high
volume
of
community
of
interest.
Testimony
is
how
do
you
weight
individual
testimony
versus
what
might
be
mobilized
testimony.
F
F
F
F
You
may
not
get
a
lot
of
testimony
from
some
parts
of
the
city.
That's
also
a
reality
too,
and
you
have
to
do
more
in.
You
might
have
to
do
more
outreach
to
those
sections
of
the
city,
others
you
might
get
wow
yeah.
We've
got
a
lot
of
stuff
coming
in
and
then
say:
oh
well,
somebody
says
draw
the
line
here
and
a
bunch
of
people
draw
the
line
there.
F
B
Okay,
thank
you.
I
don't
see
any
hands
right,
so
I
will
just
give
another
big.
Thank
you
to
angelo
and
chetta
for
speaking
to
us
this
evening,
and
I
will
turn
it
over
to
the
city
clerk
who
will
speak
to
us
on
the
next
new
business
item
to
discuss
communities
of
interest,
public
hearings
and
outreach.
D
D
What
I
wanted
to
talk
about
just
sort
of
briefly
is
we
have
the
communities
of
public
interest
public
hearings
beginning
in
august,
so
we
have
those
scheduled
they're
on
the
website,
I'm
going
to
share
the
screen
and
show
you
the
website
in
just
a
minute
we're
preparing
notices
for
you
know
what
it's
easier
for
me
to
just
show
you.
I
can
talk,
talk
through
the
website,
a
lot
easier
than
just
trying
to
introduce
it.
D
I
wanted
to
note
that
the
district
4
member
did
resign
a
couple
weeks
ago.
I
think
it
was
actually
last
week
and
the
council
member
for
district
4
has
been
notified
and
is
beginning
to
look
at
the
current
applications
on
file
and
maybe
opening
a
recruitment
for
district
four.
I
did
let
him
know
that
we
would
like
the
person
appointed,
at
least
by
the
august
third
meeting,
so
they
can
start
attending
the
public
hearings
in
august.
D
So
our
meeting
schedule
through
september
is
still
the
third
thursday
of
every
month,
but
then
we
have
this
the
schedule
for
public
hearings.
These
are
being
held
in
the
hub
community
centers
of
each
district,
so
there
may
be
libraries
or
whatever
we
decided
to
go
with
the
hub
community
centers
because
they
have
the
largest
community
rooms
for
us
and
we
got
feedback
from
some
of
the
the
commissioners
on
when
they're
gonna
be
on
vacation.
D
So
these
districts
are
kind
of
chosen
with
that
in
mind,
so
you
see
it,
it
doesn't
just
go
one
two
three
four
five,
this
is
is
designed
around
your
guys's
schedule
and
district
4
being
vacant.
We
kind
of
wanted
to
put
it
last
so
that
person
can
get
up
to
speed
and
watch
all
the
meetings
that
they've
missed,
so
they
can
get
trained
before
their
their
district
has
their
hearing.
So
there
was
some
thought
put
into
this.
We
have
three
weekends
in
a
row
in
august
two
per
saturday.
D
D
You
are
going
to
be
our
test
case
for
doing
community
meetings
in
the
hybrid
world
at
community
centers,
so
I've
I've
got
a
special
camera
on
order
that
I
won't
see
the
brand
because
I
don't
want
to
sound
like
I'm,
I'm
advertising
it,
but
it's
supposed
to
swivel
automatically
to
whoever's
speaking
so
that
person
will
be
on
camera.
I'm
a
little
excited
about
it.
D
D
The
I
put
in
a
request
for
all
of
the
languages
that
didn't
get
approved,
but
we
will
do
them
upon
request.
So
if
we're
in
a
district
that
has
a
large
number
of
chinese
speakers,
we
we
can
bring
in
interpreters.
They
just
won't
be
at
every
single
community
of
interest
public
hearing
any
questions
about
these.
D
A
I
have
a
I
have
a
suggestion.
Okay
is
there's
a
junior
high,
that's
called
leyva
middle
school.
They
have
a
very
good,
they
have
a
very
good
large
gym
and
if
we
have
to
be
outdoors,
they
have
a
great
big
plaza
and
it's
centered
for
both
families
that
can
actually
either
walk
or
have
a
or
can
drive.
But
it's
not
a
very
it's
more
con
more
and
there's
a
lot
of
parking.
So
it's
it's
it'll.
D
Okay,
let
me
huddle
with
the
attorney's
office
on
things
I
know
when
we
when
we're
using
a
non-city
facility,
we
have
to
get
facility
agreements
in
place
with
the
with
the
school
district.
It's
not
like.
We
haven't
done
that
before,
but
I
have
a
couple
of
ideas.
I
just
don't
express
them
here
in
case
they're
in
case
we
can't
do
them,
but
thank
you
for
pointing
that
out
to
me.
D
E
D
Redistricting
partners
has
a
presentation,
so
they'll
be
doing
a
presentation
and
then
it's
pretty
much
the
we.
You
know
we're
working
with
with
redistricting
partners
to
do
that
presentation
and
then
the
public
will
have
the
opportunity
to
physically
draw
lines
on
maps
to
circle
communities
of
interest.
D
So
it's
not
just
going
up
and
speaking
they'll
they'll
be
able
to
actually
do
stuff
and
we
haven't
been
trained
in
it
yet
so
I
don't
know,
I
can't
exactly
give
you
how
it
will
look,
but
I'm
kind
of
excited
I
will
be
at
all
of
these
in
person
megan,
I
think
we'll
be
at
all
of
them.
In
person
we
did
you'll
notice,
there's
a
break
between
august
21st
and
september
11th.
D
That
was
to
give
you
guys
a
couple,
a
couple
weekends
to
do
fun
things
in
the
summer,
but
we
will
definitely
be
there
so
district
one
and
six
are
going
to
kind
of
be
our
guinea
pigs,
we'll
it'll
be
the
first
time
we
do
it
and
by
the
time
we
get
to
districts.
You
know
8
9,
10,
we'll
we'll
we'll
really
know
what
we're
doing.
D
But
that
is
the
format,
a
presentation
and
then
they
can
speak
and
draw
lines
on
maps.
Great,
very
good.
Thank
you
so
much
tony
and
the
two
hour
they
could
be
shorter
than
that
I
talked
to
through
districting
partners
and
they
said
typically
not
more
than
two
hours.
So
that's
why
I
did
ten
to
twelve.
It
might
go
slightly
longer,
it
might
go
shorter
and
we
will
need
a
quorum
at
each
one
of
these.
The
quorum
can
be
made
up
with
zoom
attendees,
though,
so
you
do
not
have
to
be
there
in
person.
D
A
D
Right
we've
I've
already
sent
the
the
information
to
all
the
council
offices
to
put
into
their
newsletters,
so
this
information
will
be
there.
I
have
also
direct
mailing
lists
from
those
kit
from
most
of
the
council
offices,
not
all
of
them
they've.
Given
me
access
to
their
big
neighborhood
lists
of
everybody
who
subscribed
to
their
their
newsletters
so
I'll
also
be
directly.
D
I
just
got
access
back
to
my
my
facebook,
so
I'll
be
doing
a
facebook
paid
ad
that
will
go
out
to
the
whole
city
of
san
jose
via
facebook
ads
I've
done
that
before,
and
it
does
reach
quite
a
few
people,
so
we'll
be
doing
that
as
well,
and
then
I
will
be
issuing
a
press
release
that
maybe
the
the
press
can
pick
up
on
it.
I
I'm
still
locking
down
these
dates
or
with
the
community
centers.
The
my
contact
was
on
vacation.
H
H
Thanks
tony,
I
just
wanted
to
take
a
quick
moment
of
the
commission's
time.
Thank
you
first
and
foremost
for
the
work
that
you
are
doing.
I
am
the
policy
director
nick
kwada
for
silicon
valley,
council
of
nonprofits.
We
have
around
200
non-profit
organizations
that
are
our
members,
and
we
are
excited
that
this
process
is
in
full
swing
in
the
city
of
san
jose.
H
So
what
we
will
be
doing
is
teaming
up
with
an
old
friend
of
yours,
jonathan
stein,
over
at
common
clause
to
put
on
three
redistricting
workshops,
starting
on
july
30th,
then
july,
7th
and
july
14th,
all
from
2
to
3
pm
for
our
non-profit
partners
to
help
spread
the
word
on
how
to
engage
with
communities
of
interest.
So
to
commissioner
sid
berry
your
your
question
about
how
is
this
getting
out
the
public?
H
We
are
dealing
directly
with
those
agencies
who
deal
with
those
communities
to
get
them
there,
so
we
will
be
sharing
all
the
details
on
on
what
you
all
are
doing.
Sharing
the
public
hearing
dates
as
well
as
the
locations.
Now
I
I
will
have
a
request
that
on
the
14th
we
are
going
to
have
a
redistricting
301,
which
will
cover
concrete
details
at
the
county
level
at
the
city
of
san
jose
level
and
the
city
of
sunnyvale.
H
H
Absolutely
june
30th
july,
7
and
july
14th,
all
from
2
to
3
p.m
and
I'll
be
happy
to
share
the
registration
link
with
tony
so
that
you
all
can
monitor
the
event
if
you'd
like.
But
I
have
a
strong
feeling.
You
are
all
going
to
be
experts
based
on
professor
ancheta's
review
today
and
the
other
meetings
that
I've
seen
in
the
past.
So
it
might
be
a
little
boring
to
you
all,
but
we
are
gonna.
A
B
H
B
G
G
G
Jewish
people
don't
get
called
out
on
them
talking
about
their
historical
injustice
that
have
happened
to
them.
Neither
do
the
negros
and
I
affirm
them.
Some
of
my
best
teachers
are
baldwin
tallahassee
coach,
malcolm
x,
stokely
of
fred.
Hampton
I
mean
these
are
people
that
challenge
the
authority
structure.
They
lost
their
lives
in
doing
it,
but
it
is
on
their
shoulders
that
I
stand.
G
Why
is
because
they
had
the
manhood
and
the
the
fortitude
and
the
integrity
to
challenge
and
tell
the
truth
about
what
has
really
happened
without
fear
and
so
a
lot
of
the
policies
that
have
prisons.
The
reason
why
the
gentleman
talked
about
prisons
is
because
rural
communities
were
counting
the
people
in
the
prisons
as
citizens
of
that
city
and
exploiting
them,
because
slavery
is
still
legal
in
the
united
states.
C
Hi,
thank
you.
It's
nice
that
paul
soto
is
back
around.
I
think
he
offers
some
interesting
points
of
view.
Thank
you
for
myself
for
this
issue.
I
think
it
was
at
this
redistricting
public
meeting
your
last
meeting.
You
were
talking
about
the
subcommittee
process
and
I
think
tony
tabor
described.
You
know
that
subcommittees
in
san
jose,
usually
work
where
they
try
to
be
nimble
and
offer
kind
of
a
think
tank.
C
You
know
mentality,
so
they're
not
really
conducive
to
working
with
the
public
and
being
open
to
the
public,
and
I
I
it
got
me
thinking
that
you
know
it's
important
that
I
think
in
the
future.
We
do
try
to
work
towards
that
in
san
jose
for
the
subcommittee
process
and
that
there
can
be
ways
that
you
can
still
be
nimble
and
come
up
with
meetings
really
quickly
and
at
the
same
time,
find
ways
to
invite
the
everyday
public.
C
C
It's
all
part
of
a
a,
I
think,
a
program.
That's
developing
that
that
you
know
is,
you
know,
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
california
state
legal
precedents
and
guidelines
and
examples
that
have
recently
gone
through
legal
examples
and
legal
precedence
with
the
help
of
the
state
of
california
that
you
know
we're
studying
a
course
to
kind
of
get
out
of
the
air
of
9
11
in
war
and
work
towards
democracy
and
sustainability
and
peace.
C
It's
democracy
that
works
towards
sustainability
and
peace.
So
I
think
in
the
future
we're
going
to
be
working
towards
how
can
the
subcommittee
offer
a
bit
of
public
input
and
purpose
and
just
an
all-around
shared
community
process?
I
think
we're
working
towards
that
more
and
more
good
luck
in
how
you
can
address
that
issue
at
this
time.
B
G
Thank
you.
This
is
from
a
book
called
aslan
written
by
stan
steiner
and
luis
valdez
for
nearly
the
dignity
of
the
farmer
for
nearly
all
people.
There
is
a
theme
that
is
more
important
than
money.
It
is
a
thing
called
dignity
or
self-respect
or
honor,
and
it
shows
itself
in
many
ways.
Sometimes
it
is
shown
by
the
man
who
will
fight
when
he
is
insulted.
We
are
farm
workers
who
have
been
insulted.
We
have
seen
ourselves
treated
like
cattle.
G
G
We
have
known
what
it
is
like
to
be
less
respected,
to
be
unwanted,
to
live
in
a
world
which
did
not
belong
to
us
or
color,
or
our
language
or
our
job
have
kept
us
apart,
and
the
people
who
are
profiting
from
our
separateness
are
determined
to
keep
it
that
way.
It
is
a
fact
that
in
san
francisco,
the
growers
associations
keep
an
office
full
of
people
busy
writing
propaganda
about
how
farm
workers
are
all
winos
bombs.
Incompetence.
G
G
The
little
fights
against
the
little
grower
and
contractor
that
you
read
about
today
are
only
the
beginning.
The
dignity
of
the
farm
worker
shows
itself
in
many
ways
this
year
and
in
the
years
to
come,
it
will
be
shown
by
the
man
who
will
fight
when
he
is
insulted
and
that's
what
I
bring
here
to
the
centers
of
power.
I
don't
see
the
clock
how
much
time.
D
C
C
I
think
we
were
really
trying
to
apologize
for
the
era
of
911
and
there
was
a
whole
bunch
of
new
practices
coming
in
in
this
country.
That
was
trying
to
address
sustainability
and
peace
through
better
democratic
practices
through
human
rights
ideas,
and
you
know
we're
we're
really.
We've
been
working
on
this
now
for
a
while
pre-covered
19.,
and
I
think
it's
these
practices
that
the
world
is
going
to
sit
up
and
take
notice
about
what
we're
trying
to
address
for
our
future
and
what
can
be
sustainability.
C
So
I'm
hopeful
and
and
this
kovid
was
a
real,
real
bummer,
and
but
I
think
that
whatever
covet
is
created,
I
think
they're,
seeing
what
we
are
creating
and
what
we
were
creating
before
kovid.
That's
what's
going
to
be
our
future
and
these
sustainability
ideas
about
better
democracy
and
open
democracy
based
on
open
public
policy
ideas.
I
think
they're
going
to
be
really
important
for
our
future
and
we're
going
to
really
rely
on
them
more
and
more
and
it'll
be
an
interesting
time
in
the
next
five
to
10
15
years.
C
B
So
moving
on
to
item
nine
is
the
meeting
schedule
and
agenda
items.
Our
next
regular
meeting
will
be
on
july,
15
2021
at
6,
00
pm
still
via
zoom,
and
that
brings
us
to
the
end
of
our
meeting.
This
meeting
of
the
redistricting
commission
is
now
adjourned.
Thank
you
for
your
attention,
see
you
next
month,
everybody.