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City of San José, California
Joint meeting of Rules and Open Government / Committee of the Whole of September 16, 2020
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A
A
A
A
A
Rules
and
open
government
committee
and
committee
of
the
whole
tony
would
you
do
the
honors
arenas.
A
Thank
you.
Let's
start
with
a
review
of
the
september
22nd
final
agenda
and
we'll
look
at
first.
There
are
two
ads
that
appears
one.
No,
I'm
sorry
three
ads
one
on
consent,
one
regarding
the
extension,
the
proclamation,
local
emergency
and
amendments
to
the
consolidated
plan.
8.2,
so
ask
the
maker
of
the
motion
to
consider
that
and
his
or
her
motion
and
then
we'll
start
on
pages
five
and
six
start
time
here
is
indicated,
as
I
think
we're
going
to
need
a
long
meeting
on
this
one
right.
So
we
should
start.
A
A
Nora
are,
we
are
we
allowed
to
schedule
to
simply
say
the
open
session
begins
upon
the
the
determination
of
closed
session,
or
do
we
have
to
give
a
specific
time
we.
A
Okay,
I
mean
if
we
gave
it
11
o'clock,
I
think
we're
going
to
overshoot
it,
although
we
probably
need
to
begin
close
session
early
as
well.
I
think
close
should
probably
start
at
nine,
but
we
could
start
at
11
30
in
the
hope
that
maybe
we
can
buy
another
hour
through
part
of
lunch.
C
A
A
Yeah
all
right,
maybe
we
start
at
11.,
we
can.
We
can
figure
it
out.
Okay,
then
any
changes,
then
to
pages
five
and
six
seven
and
eight.
A
A
A
And
looks
like
we
are
going
to
have
a
long
night
if
8.1
is
starting
at
6.,
so
here's
the
calendar,
let's
go
to
the
public,
claire
beekman.
D
Hi,
thank
you.
Hopefully
I
can
get
through
my
speech
here
to
speak
to
item
2.3.
There
is
an
approval
of
many
council
committee
mini
meaning
minutes,
pre-copy
19
on
next
week's
agenda
from
item
2.8
is
agreements
between
the
vta
and
san
jose
about
the
new
north
san
jose
berryessa
bart
station.
There's
currently
60
plus
shot
spotter
speakers
placed
throughout
the
entire
barrier
bart
station
as
an
intimidating
warning
to
those
who
arrive
from
around
the
asset
bay
area.
D
It
simply
has
to
be
considered
how
we
can
work
the
ideas
of
demilitarization
for
a
community
at
this
time
and
that
10
shot
spotters
in
the
station
can
work
just
as
well
as
the
current
60
plus.
It
can
also
show
how
to
trust
ourselves
as
both
a
community
and
it's
the
entire
sfba
area.
Of
course,
the
final
goal
is
to
remove
all
eavesdropping
listening
technology
from
public
spaces
as
too
invasive
redundant
and
irrelevant
and
not
to
seek
to
continue
to
promote
it.
D
I
hope
you
will
all
be
better
explaining
with
the
memos
in
the
near
future
exactly
what
item
2.13
can
be
about,
and
perhaps
what
technology
will
be
involved,
allowing
guggenheim
entertainment
to
rent
out
the
top
story
of
a
second
street
san
carlos
parking
garage
and
to
conclude,
with
all
the
items
on
cobra
19
in
this
agenda.
I
think
I
think
I
thank
you
that
may
be
in
order
for
item
2.12
and
the
agreements
of
the
consulting
firm
to
talk
about
transportation
ideas
for
the
future
of
san
jose.
D
E
Motion
to
approve
with
the
auditions
and
and
mayor,
I
know
that
you
said
you
wanted
to
start.
You
didn't
like
the
six
o'clock
start
time.
Do
you
want
to
do
five.
A
A
Thanks
everyone,
the
agenda
for
september
22nd,
this
one
seems
to
be
significantly
less
busy.
We'll
start
on
pages
five
and
six.
A
A
D
Hi
again,
thank
you.
This
item.
I
think
there
might
be
a
community
energy
ideas
on
this
one
and
thank
you
again.
You've
been
doing
a
lot
of
community
energy
items
recently
and
I
should
probably
report
that
east
bay
community
energy
is
starting
up
again
they're
having
their
five
public
meetings
a
month.
D
I
invite
everyone
to
check
them
out
in
the
next
month,
they're
going
to
seriously
consider
if,
within
the
next
year,
you
know
their
their
local
energy
plans
how
much
nuclear
they
need
to
involve
in
them
there's
a
chance
as
a
staff.
They
they
don't
want
to
use
nuclear
as
much
as
they
can
and
if
it's
the
public,
we
really
ask
that
of
them.
I'm
really
hopeful
that
they
can
avoid
it
as
much
as
possible.
So
I
try
to
mention
that
here
and
you
also
have
items
on
policing
again
three
items.
D
I
wanted
to
speak
a
few
words
I
hope
important
lessons
learned
from
last
night
is
that
there
really
can
be
a
simple,
decent,
accessible
ways
to
understand.
Future
concepts
of
policing
can
simply
be
based
on
the
real,
thoughtful
decades-long
studies
of
healing
de-escalation
and
peace.
I
mean
those
those
ideas
are
really
possible
at
this
time
and
how
you
know
you
voted
for
things.
There
is
a
totally
different
language
how
to
be
able
to
talk
about
these
things
now
and
it's
it's
interesting
and
it's
hopeful
with
body
cam
stuff.
D
For
instance,
you
know
how
can
that
be
more
of
a
day-to-day
process,
and
you
know
there's
issues
that
you
brought
up
yourself
within
rules
and
open
government
about
how
there
can
be
more
openness
to
give
people
body,
camera
footage
for,
say
their
appeal
trials
and
their
court
trials.
How
can
we
make
that
more
accessible?
Thank
you.
A
Hi,
I
want
to
beg
everyone's
indulgence
for
a
moment
and
ask
if
there
might
be
a
motion
to
reconsider
on
the
september
22nd
agenda.
That's
1a,
I've
been
notified,
there's
actually
an
item
that
should
be
deferred
and
I
think,
we'll
be
happily
be
deferred
to
take
one
more
item
off
our
plate
for
tuesday
question
to.
B
A
A
Hi
item
3.5
the
government
accountability,
measures
that
are
on
page
12
and
13..
I
understand-
can
be
deferred
for
a
month
or
so
lee
did
you
get
that
word
from
our
team.
B
A
Meeting
for
four
weeks,
I
know
that
I
think
customers
have
an
opportunity
to
talk
to
staff
about
about
alterations
that
could
be
made
to
ensure
that
you'd
be
implementable.
Okay.
Well,
I
just
ask
if,
if
we
might
consider
proving
the
prior
motion
with
that
modification,
3.5
would
be
deferred
four
weeks.
B
F
B
Maybe
I
should
defer
to
the
maker
of
the
motion
yeah.
Does
it.
E
Well,
you
know,
I
I
don't
know
if
the
rest
of
the
stuff
is
as
median
if
we're
deferring
that
one
item
all
the
way
till
six
o'clock.
Well,
then
again
that
the
managers
report
sometimes
takes
three
or
four
hours,
I'm
not
sure.
A
E
Yeah
yeah,
no,
no,
I'm
I'm
an
agreement.
I
just
I
just
are
we
gonna
be
able
to
fill
from
11
to
six
is
what
I'm
trying
to
say.
What
does
staff
think.
B
We
have
not
had
a
problem
filling
the
void
before
over
the
last
few
weeks,
especially
with
3.1.
You
know.
Quite
frankly,
we
we
haven't
had
a
3.1
in
a
few
weeks
and
we
do
have
five
or
six
items
that
we
want
to
walk
through
with
the
council.
So
you
know
I'd
be
willing
to
guess
that
we
could
fill
that
void.
If
not
you'd
have
a
touch.
Long
of
a
dinner
break.
A
Why
don't
we
move
8.1
to
5
o'clock
at
just
ensures
that
we
don't
have
any
void
and
I
suspect,
with
presentation
all
that
by
the
time
people
are
off
work
they'll,
be
plenty
able
to
comment.
E
A
Okay
motion
any
comments,
all
right.
Let's
vote
again.
B
Uranus,
yes,
davis,
hi,
kamis,
hi
jones,
hi,
ricardo.
A
D
Bigman
hi,
thank
you
as
a
matter
of
procedure.
This
was
brought
up
last
week
and
it
was
an
item
to
be
dropped
and
but
it
was
on
the
agenda
and
as
a
question
and
procedure
for
yourselves
in
the
future,
can
I
speak
on
an
item
when
it
says
it's
being
dropped,
and
so
we
didn't
do
that.
Yes,.
D
Yeah
and
and
and
being
brought
to
a
committee
may
have
a
slightly
different
idea
than
if
it
was
brought
to
you
a
council
meeting.
I
I
think,
maybe
that's
exact
more
exactly
how
the
brand
act
can
work
for
this
item.
I'm
trying
to
practice
how
just
to
talk
about
the
the
ideas
and
options
for
the
dear
dawn
station.
D
I've
been
hearing
it
slightly
bandied
around
a
bit
that
you
know
it's
possible
that
the
sap
station
can
be
converted
into
the
bart
station,
and
this
sap
event
center
can
can
then
move
to
say
by
the
earthquakes,
stadium
or
spartan
stadium
area,
and
that
would
help
with
the
parking
issues.
And
you
know
I
don't
know
how
important
or
how
you
know
in
motion
that
is,
but
you
know
for
me,
I
I'm
trying
to
learn
a
way
to
responsibly
publicly
speak
about.
D
It
is
kind
of
a
public
service
to
make
ourselves
aware
of
the
subject
and
the
community
aware
of
it,
but
I
don't
want
to
hold
it
as
gospel
and
I
don't
think
it's
you
know
the
gospel
truth
and
will
be
coming
through,
but
just
as
part
of
the
options
as
a
city
you
know
is
thinking
about
options.
You
know
I
I
just
wanted
to
put
it
out
there.
That
is
being
thought
about
as
a
as
an
idea.
D
A
A
All
right,
the
public
record.
D
Hello.
Thank
you
boy
for
this
item.
Thank
you
so
much
that
you
you
have
included.
I
guess
caltrain
possibly
sent
you
the
their
equity
report
and
they
asked
you
to
to
do
something
with
it
or
you
know.
There
was
just
really
good
judgment
within
city
government
to
place
it
within
public
record
because
it
describes
that
caltrain
is
willing
to
take
a
hit
of
you
know.
D
I
think
it
was
18
million
dollars
this
upcoming
year,
they're
not
going
to
raise
their
fares
and
they're
going
to
rely
on
equity
ideas
and
models
to
kind
of
get
through
the
next
few
years
of
covid.
I
think
it's
safe
to
say
that
you
know
we're
going
to
be.
You
know
with
kobet
at
least
through
next
summer
and
and
it'll
be
the
next
year
after
that,
we'll
probably
be
hopefully
back
to
full
rhythm
again.
D
But,
like
it's
been
stated
before,
you
know
there
will
still
be
long-term
budget
questions
that
will
have
to
be
answered.
Caltrain
is
trying
to
answer
them.
You
know,
with
with
ideas
of
equity,
to
solve
the
issue.
That's
pretty
remarkable
for
someone
like
for
a
group
like
caltrain
that
tends
to
have
budget
issues
a
bit
austere
and
tend
to
run
into
budget
trouble.
Sometimes
so
you
know
real
hats
off
to
them
and
and
of
note
east
bay,
community,
energy,
local
energy.
D
You
know,
I
think,
I've
given
you,
you
know
both
republican
and
democratic
groups
that
are
working
on
the
subject
so
that
we
have
good
choices
and
people
like
ash
kahra
with
housing
issues
tries
to
work
on
good
choices
from
what
may
have
been
initially
republican
ideas
and
something's.
Really
hopeful.
A
All
right
the
consent
calendar
on
the
reviews,
recommendations
and
approvals.
A
I
noticed
let's
see
here,
I
don't
believe
the
appointments.
Oh
I'm
sorry,
I
just
skipped
by
appointments.
Didn't
I
f1
is
the
appointment.
This
is
the
boards
and
commissions
appointments
for
clean
energy
community
advisory
commission
f1.
I
wanted
to
ask,
I
believe,
laurie's
online
is
it.
I
know
we
didn't
have
an
opportunity
to
do
outreach
in
soliciting
applications
here.
In
my
understanding
we
didn't
get
a
lot
of
applications.
Is
there
an
opportunity
for
us
to
do
that
again.
F
Yeah,
I'm
not
sure
if
tony
wants
to
jump
in
here,
but
we
have
the
same
concern
that
essentially
there
were
three
applicants
that
were
interviewed
and
ultimately
referred.
So
I
think
you
know
having
a
larger
pool
would
be
important
going
forward.
A
Okay,
my
recommendation
would
be
then
that
we
that
we
be
able
to
get.
This
is
a
critical.
I
think
we
all
know.
This
is
a
critically
important
advisory
commission
that
governs
a
fund
of
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
annually.
A
I
want
to
make
sure
we've
actually
done
outreach
to
be
able
to
get
a
significant
number
of
applicants,
which
would
mean
more
than
simply
the
number
of
seats
that
we
have.
So
I
would
ask
if,
if
the
committee
would
consider
directing
the
city
clerk
to
do
that,.
A
D
About
learned
a
lot
from
from
going
to
their
meetings-
and
you
know
I
I
think
it's
they're-
really
good
system
conduit
for
the
community
to
to
get
involved
with
with
with
community
and
government
issues,
and
that's
the
intention
of
local
community
energy
and
and
you.
A
D
Hi
am
I
back.
I
got
cut
out
yeah
you're
back,
oh
great
cool,
so
yeah,
so
they
were.
I
was
just
really
impressed
with
their
work
and
I
I
I
think
they
can
be
very
accessible
to
you
know
just
everyday
people
like
myself,
who
can
show
up
and
want
to
really
help
participate
in
what
can
be
good
ideas
and
practices
in
in
local
energy,
and
it's
a
learning
process
for
myself
and
I'm
I'm
hoping
to
be
learning
things
and
yeah.
D
I
mean
this
is
just
a
vital
tool
for
ourselves
and
what
the
future
of
local
community
energy
is
to
have
a
good
commission
process,
and
thank
you
for
for
your
your
previous
choices
in
what
a
commission
could
be
thanks.
E
I
make
a
motion
to
approve,
with
the
recommendation
to
go
out
to
have
a
qualified
pool
of
individuals
exceeding
the
exceeding
the
amount
of
openings
would
be
preferable.
I
I
actually
would
love
to
have
people
that
have
experience
in
the
field.
Personally,
I
know
that
xpg
e
employee
would
be
super
if
we
can
get
that.
A
E
E
And
I
know
richard
personally
because
he
he
has
been
in
the
energy
industry
for
many
many
years
I
think
he's
super
qualified.
Can
we
approve
him
and
then
move
forward?
I
thought
we're
going
to
increase
the
number
of
increased
a
number
on
the
committee
as
well.
No,
it
is.
A
E
Can
we
can
we
approve
richard's,
honor
and
then
and
then,
and
and
then
make
a
motion
to
have
a
good
pool
of
applicants,
as
the
mayor
suggested
for
the
rest.
C
A
Thanks
laura,
I
just
want
to
confirm
with
you:
that's
that's,
okay,.
B
C
Yeah,
you
you
you,
can
you
can't
do
that?
I
my
understanding
is
the
idea
behind
having
lori
and
her
department
provide
more
information
to
the
clerk
was
just
to
try
to
do
a
broader,
because
there
wasn't
information,
necessarily
on
groups
and
people
to
perhaps
contact
outside
of
the
clerk's
normal
contacts
for
commission
appointments.
C
So
that
was
my
understanding
of
why
the
the
desire
was
to
have
a
input
on
people
with
an
energy
background
and
that
kind
of
thing
in
developing
the
pool.
But.
E
You
know
what
let
me
take
back
my
motion,
I
think,
upon
reconsideration.
I
I
just
looked
over.
I
think
the
commission
actually
voted
to
get
these
people
in
and
the
advisory
appointment
advisory
commission
and
I
think.
D
E
Think
we'd
be
setting
precedent
to
to
work
around
them.
F
There
were
10
applicants,
but
because
of
covid
and
limitations
with
the
commissions
by
the
time,
the
clerk's
office
and
tony
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong
here
interviewed,
there
were
only
three
that
were
able
to
be
interviewed,
and
so
I
think
what
we're
suggesting
is.
You
know
that
that
candidate
pool
ultimately
was
pretty
stale
by
the
time
they
they
were
asked
to
be
interviewed
by
the
commission.
B
It
we
have,
the
council
has
in
the
past,
not
affirmed
the
nominations
from
cac
and
requested
us
to
go
back
out
and
increase
the
pool.
So
it's
this
wouldn't
be
setting
precedent.
This
would
just
be
following.
B
Okay,
council.
E
I
mean
I
want
to
hear
the
thoughts
of
my
other
council
members.
I
I
feel
weird
about
overriding
the
the
appointment
commission,
so
I
I
I'm
okay
with
doing
so.
If
we're
gonna
expand
the
no,
I
don't
I
don't.
I
don't
know.
I
just
wanna
hear
for
the
rest
of
my
colleagues.
A
Yeah,
I
I
appreciate
the
concern
counselor
just
for
whatever
it's
worth.
First,
we
have
overridden
commission
points
before
and
for
various
reasons.
The
council
believed
it
was
appropriate
and
I
so
I
do
feel
that
we
really
need
to
go
back
out
and
get
a
yeah
for
applicant
pool
to
be
able
to
interview,
but
colleagues,
thoughts.
B
I'm
supportive
mayor
of
I'm
actually
just
blurring
out,
should
we
be
raising
our
hands
or
yeah
feel
free.
Okay,
I've
been
blurring
down
all
meetings,
so
I
was
waiting
for
you
to
slap
me
around
there
anyway.
I'm
particularly
for
this
particular
commission.
I
think
that
we
really
need
to
go.
They
actually
put
in
the
extra
effort
to
find
as
qualified
people
as
possible
and
and
you're
right
there.
B
The
president
has
already
been
set
in
terms
of
our
overriding
recommendations
in
the
past,
so
I
don't
think
that
that's
a
real
issue,
so
I'm
supportive
of
giving
the
direction
to
go
out
and
and
do
a
more
robust
outreach
effort
to
find
a
larger
pool
of
candidates.
A
Okay,
councilman
counties.
E
A
Yeah,
I
guess
my
there's
an
option
we
can
take.
My
concern
is
a
bigger
commission
just
means
more
work
for
staff,
I'm
not
sure
it
means
we
get
better
decisions.
Well,.
E
I
I
could
tell
you
that
I
remember
making
some
similar
decision
like
this
last
time
and
and
we
went
and
and
several
of
our
colleagues
thought
we
were
limiting
diversity
on
the
committee
and
I
think
for
me,
I'm
I'm
having
I'm
recalling
that
conversation
quite
distinctly.
E
So
you
know
I'll
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
current
slate
and
then
move
to
council
the
expansion
of
the
this
committee
by
to
make
it
11
instead
of
nine.
F
Thank
you
mayor,
so
I
think
the
I
think
the
case
that
that
council
member
campus
is
referring
to
was
mix-up
due
to
covid
with
the
arts
commission
and
that
this
does
not
seem
to
be
the
same
case.
I'm
fine
with
moving
forward
with
the
the
reappointment
of
richard's
honor
and
then
going
back
out
to
to
have
a
more
robust
selection.
I'm
not
interested
in
expanding
this
commission.
F
I
think
not
only
is
it
more
work
for
staff,
but
we
do
need
very
knowledgeable
people
on
this
commission
and
the
bigger
it
gets
the
harder
it
gets
to
find
people
who
have
this
kind
of
specialized
knowledge.
So
I'm
gonna
make
the
motion
to
reappoint
richard's
honor
and
then
go
out
for
the
other
open
seats.
A
Thank
you,
okay
motion.
Second
councilman
rannis.
B
I
I
was
also
going
to
support
what
actually
council
member
davis
just
motioned,
and
so
I'm
supportive
of
this
going
back.
A
Okay,
I'll
support
it
as
well,
counselor.
E
D
Yeah.
Thank
you.
I
wanted
to
thank
yourselves
for
the
attempts
yesterday
that,
with
your
with
your
police
items,
that
one
of
the
items
was
was
not
just
about
protests,
but
it
was
about
domestic
violence
issues,
and
you
know
I'm
really
interested
in
the
idea
of
how
the
connections
there
can
be
connections
between
the
the
protests
themselves
and
what
can
be
day-to-day
policing
ideas?
I
don't
know
exactly
what
that
is,
but
to
offer
the
domestic
violence
issues
yesterday.
D
You
know
offered
something
I
felt
kind
of
interesting
and
I
wanted
to
comment
about
that
at
this
time
and
oh
body
cameras.
That's
that's!
That's
my
own
personal
connection
to
this
issue,
how
you
you've
done
some
work
with
the
protests
on
on
how
to
release
body
camera
footage
of
the
protests.
D
How
can
you
do
that,
with
with
data
a
day-to-day
issues
of
the
body,
cam
things
and
and
the
openness
that's
needed
for
the
day-to-day
day-to-day
issues
of
body
cam
issues?
Thank
you.
B
Arenas:
davis,
aye
campus
hi
jones,
hi,
ricardo.
A
All
right
item
two:
is
the
memorandum
from
several
colleagues
establishing
kevin
and
blight
and
brush
removal
agreements?
Councilmember
campus.
Did
you
want
to
speak
on
this.
E
Yeah
mayor
and
I
happen
to
be
paying
attention
when
you
did
a
press
conference
on
this
issue
and
I'm
really
happy
the
direction
that
you're
moving
us
in
with
the
three
million
dollars.
You
know,
I
I
do
wanna,
we
were
supposed
to
be
hearing
from
staff
about
options
and
and
we
we
will
also
be
supposed
to
hear
from
staff
about-
what's
been
done
legally
to
this
point.
E
I
know
that
you've
also
worked
on
this
issue
in
the
past,
trying
to
get
the
caltrans
to
hire
from
downtown
streets
teams
and
create
a
contract,
and
I
know
you've
done
a
lot
of
work
on
this.
I
I
was
hoping
that
this
meeting
would
enlighten
us
as
to
how
fast
we
can
negotiate
a
contract
with
caltrans.
E
What
what
what
you
know,
what
work
needs
to
be
done
and
if,
if,
if
we
do
pass
three
million
dollars
more
in
the
budget,
if
that
it'll
help
get
us,
the
the
it'll
help
get
us
closer
to
cleaning
up
our
city.
So
that's
what
I
was
waiting
for.
G
Good
afternoon
mayor
members
of
the
committee
yeah,
when
we
talked
two
weeks
ago,
what
I
indicated
I
would
do
councilmember
was
that
I
would
reach
out
to
caltrans
and
talk
about
this
proposal
that
you
and
the
four
other
councilmembers
have
made,
and
then
just
inquire
in
terms
of
how
they're
approaching
it
kind
of
where
they
kind
of
see
their
ability
to
get
the
results
that
we're
looking
for.
So
I've
had
three
meetings
with
caltrans.
Since
that
time
I
was
on
one
with
the
mayor.
G
Kind
of
what
I
found
out
is
that
there
are
two
agreements
that
caltrans
has
with
actually
the
county
of
santa
clara
and
the
conservation
corps
to
do
a
variety
of
activities
on
the
freeways
from
litter,
pickup
to
brush
abatement,
litter,
weed
debris
and
those
types
of
things,
and
it
is
on
a
county-wide
basis.
G
We
can
go
around
and
do
a
lot
of
activity,
but
ultimately,
if
it
is
an
activity
that
gets
our
city
and
the
freeway
properties
in
good
condition,
it's
not
going
to
satisfy
our
residents
or
anybody
else.
The
reason
why
I'm
kind
of
going
through
this
in
kind
of
such
a
thorough
deliberate
way
is,
I
think,
there's
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
to
be
done
with
caltrans
if
we're
going
to
get
our
caltrans
state
freeway
properties,
in
the
condition
that
we
want.
G
I
raised
that
with
the
caltrans
district
4
director
and
indicated
we'd
have
follow-up
on
that,
and
my
intent
at
this
point
in
time
is
to
lay
out
for
caltrans
and
the
district
4
director.
What
we're
looking
to
accomplish
the
different
approaches
that
we
could
take
to
do
that
with
your
recommendation
to
negotiate
an
agreement
for
us
to
do
the
work
for
us
to
for
them
to
pay
us
is
one
option.
There
could
be
other
options
where
they
invest
more.
They
do
more.
G
I
think
we
really
need
to
figure
out
what
would
be
the
most
effective
way,
I
think
just
being
realistic.
I
don't
think
caltrans
has
the
resources
necessary
to
effectively
get
all
their
properties
clean
on
a
consistent
basis.
As
I
talked
to
the
council
on
september
1st
about
the
over
200
city
locations
that
we
have.
G
I
would
explore
those
things
and
see
what
we
thought
we
could
would
make
the
most
sense
and
I'd
work
with
them.
Probably
over
the
next.
I
would
say
six
weeks
to
determine
what
we
thought
made
the
most
sense.
I
could
probably
come
back
to
rules
at
that
point
in
time
and
give
a
status
report
to
rules
on
that
and
then
probably
have
something
more
complete,
more
feasible
of
what
I
thought
could
get
done
when
we
had
the
study
session
in
december.
G
That's
how
I'm
seeing
it
and
how
I
think
we
could
manage
or
balance
that
work
with
the
work
we're
doing
on
over
200
city
properties
as
well
same
team
of
people
trying
to
do
both
lines
of
work
if
you
will
and
that
I'll
just
stop
there
and
see.
If
you
have
questions
or
comments
from
you
counselor
or
mayor
the
rest
of
the
committee.
E
G
Yeah
the
contract
is
with
the
county
of
santa
clara
and
caltrans,
and
then
the
county
contracts
with
the
conservation
corps.
So
the
city's,
not
a
party
to
that,
we
certainly
can
be
more
engaged
in
communicating
with
caltrans
and
the
county,
potentially
the
conservation
corps,
but
probably
through
the
county
and
and
caltrans
on
requesting
that
they
prioritize
our
sites.
G
I
question
how
much
quality
information
they
have
for
us
to
be
able
to
tell
exactly
how
they're
doing
on
that
front.
But
that
would
be
definitely
one
of
the
things
that
we
would
work
to
clearly
understand
in
terms
of
the
allocation
of
resources
and
whether
we're
getting
an
appropriate
share
and
also
trying
to
improve
our
influence
on
where
they
work.
G
I
do
believe
that
when
we
attempted
that
previously,
we
were
held
up
by
indemnification
language
that
caltrans
wanted,
the
city
wasn't
prepared
to
agree
to
that's
something
we
can
relook
at.
I
wasn't
involved
when
that
negotiation
occurred,
but
I'm
happy
to
look
into
it
over
these
intervening
kind
of
weeks
and
couple
of
months.
E
That
that
was
that
was
actually
what
what
we
also
asked
our
legal
staff
to
come
back
with
as
well,
but
before
we
go
there
did.
I
want
to
know
just
how
much
control
that
the
county
has
over
where
they
direct
that
money.
Maybe
it's
the
county,
that's
not
directing
the
the
services
that
we
want,
and
maybe
our
beef
is
with
sorry.
Our
concerns
should
be
taken
to
the
county.
I
don't
necessarily
want
to
take
away
a
contract
from
the
the
concert
the
conservation
corps,
either.
G
Yeah,
because
I
I
don't-
I
haven't
personally-
been
involved
in
kind
of
just
these
discussions,
but
the
way
I
understand
it,
I
had
our
staff
review
the
agreements
and
it
does
look
like
cal
trans
determines
locations
and
the
county
is
the
intermediary
with
the
conservation
corps.
So
I
think
caltrans
is
directing
the
core's
work
and
priorities
more
than
the
county.
That's
my
understanding.
E
G
And,
and
just
to
let
you
know,
the
agreement
is
not
administered
by
county
roads
and
airports.
It's
administered
by
the
county,
consumer
and
environmental
protection
agency.
E
C
Yeah,
as
far
as
we've
been
able
to
tell
in
our
office,
we
never
had
this
contract
and
there
seems
to
be
some
confusion
going
back
around
2015.
C
There
was
a
contract
involving
the
101,
280
overpasses
and
the
housing
underneath
it
and-
and
there
was
an
indemnity
provision
in
there
that
would
have
required
the
city
to
cover
all
environmental
and
everything
else,
and
it
took
years
to
work
through
what
caltrans
wanted.
But
we
don't
have
anyone
who
ever
had
a
cleanup
agreement
with
caltrans
and
we
have
no
records
in
our
files
that
we
ever
reviewed
a
a
cleanup
agreement
with
caltrans.
C
So
that's
that's
the
best
information
I
have
so
we
think
maybe
there
was
it
wouldn't
surprise
us
if
caltrans
had
the
same
indemnity
provisions
which
may
or
may
not
be
as
onerous
but
the
the
fact
that
we
were
putting
people
in
an
area
where
we
knew
there
was
a
lot
of
environmental
contamination
and
caltrans
was
trying
to
shift
that
to
the
city
was
the
concern
with
the
lease
for
the
the
tiny
homes
project
there.
So
we've
not
been
able
to
find
anything.
If
I
thought.
A
Just
going
off
of
memory
councilmember,
I
think
what
paul
had
told
me
was
that
neuro
is
probably
right,
and
I
know
norris
was
managing
the
litigation
side
of
the
shop,
wasn't
managing
the
transactional
side
of
the
shop,
so
this
wouldn't
have
been
in
her
her
shop,
but
I
I
think
we
attempted
to
take
it
to
the
city
and
we
were
essentially
given
a
no
of
sorts
from
the
city
attorney
saying
that
we
were.
We
would
be
essentially
exposing
the
city
way
too
much
liability
with
us.
C
That
that's
what
that
that's
my
sense.
It
was
around
the
same
time.
We
were,
as
I
understand
it.
No
one
has
ever
opened
a
matter
for
the
agreement.
No
one
has
any
memory
of
dealing
with
a
cleanup
agreement
with
caltrans
and-
and
I
suspect
what
happened
is
because
of
the
problems
that
caltrans
has
had.
We
had
with
the
one
cal
trans
agreement
that
there
may
have
been.
C
Somebody
may
have
said
if
it's
got
the
same
kind
of
indemnity
provision,
it's
going
to
be
difficult
and
caltrans
instead
went
to
the
county
or
the
county
stepped
in
or
something
but
that's
that's
all
we
were
able
to
piece
together.
We
don't
have
a
history
of
receiving
an
agreement.
E
So
so
jim,
your
suggestion
would
be
to
take
this
memo
to
to
council
in
two
weeks
and
and
that
time
you
would
have
some
answers
for
us.
Is
that
what
you
were
recognizing.
G
No
counselor,
what
I'm
suggesting
is
that
I
will
continue
down
the
path
working
with
caltrans.
I
think
I
have
to
formally
lay
out
for
them.
What
are
we
trying
to
accomplish
we're
trying
to
accomplish
a
clean
city,
we're
trying
to
accomplish
clean
freeways
and
we're
going
to
really
what
does
it
take
to
get
to
that
outcome?
G
So
he
said
there
probably
is
a
limitation
on
full
reimbursement.
So
we
have
to
think
that
through
and
and
we
also
need
to
look
at
whether
we
have
the
capacity
to
do
that.
So
what
I'm
suggesting
is
that
I
will
formally
lay
this
out
for
caltrans,
so
we're
working
off
of
a
documented
situation
as
opposed
to
you
know.
Somebody
said
this.
Somebody
said
that
I
think
we
need
to
really
put
it
in
writing.
Lay
out
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
what
options
we
are
I'll,
explore
that
with
them
see
what's
feasible.
G
What
I
think
is
is
most
has
the
best
opportunity
for
success
and
I'll
report
back
to
rules.
G
Probably
I
would
say
end
of
october
is
realistic,
because
I
think
I
have
a
number
of
information
requests
that
are
going
to
take
caltrans
some
time
to
fulfill
just
kind
of
knowing
my
understanding
of
their
information
systems
and
what
it's
going
to
take
for
them
to
get
us
information.
I
think
we
need
to
assess
their
effectiveness.
G
I
think
it
will
take
that
amount
of
time.
I
would
give
a
report
back
to
rules
by
the
end
of
october
and
then
either
during
the
study
session
in
december,
or
at
some
other
appointed
time
that
this
committee
kind
of
guides
staff,
we
would
figure
out.
What
are
our
paths
to
continue
to
improve,
and
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
we're
balancing
working
with
the
other
agencies
with
trying
to
get
our
house
in
order.
G
We
have
hundreds
of
properties
that
we
are
trying
to
more
effectively
clean
and
maintain
in
a
clean
condition
or
deter
dumping
activity
and
those
types
of
things.
So
we
have
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
on
the
city
side
to
do
as
well,
and
the
team
is
small
and
I'm
assessing
do.
I
have
enough
resources
in
that
team
to
really
do
all
this
work,
so
we
are
working
every
day
on
these
issues.
Council.
I
can
assure
you
of
that.
I'm
personally
involved
in
it
every
day.
E
Well,
I
I
don't
know
if
I
want
to
wait
till
the
end
of
october
and
maybe
I'll
the
middle
of
october,
because
I'd
kind
of
like
to
see
some
kind
of
solution
before
I
leave
office.
I
also
I
want
to
remind
you
actually
when
I
work
when
I
was
I
used
to
attend
meetings
with
jim
bell.
He
used
to
have
these
caltrans
meetings
and
and
the
chp,
and
we
used
to
sit
down
together
and
talk
about
things
and
I
used
to
attend
those.
E
Personally,
I
used
to
talk
to
the
the
chp,
the
head
of
the
chp
and
asked
them.
Why
aren't
they
enforcing?
You
know
the
covered
covered
truck
laws
and
some
of
the
you
know,
dumping
that
that
comes
off
of
of
just
trucks
driving
by
because
those
are
thousand
dollar
fines.
In
fact,
in
the
city
of
san
jose
we
could
be
doing
the
same
thing
for
illegal
dumping.
E
Those
are
two
thousand
five
hundred
dollar
fines
that
we
can
use
as
a
method
to
to
to
help
clean
up
the
the
blight,
and
so
I'm
I'm
wondering
if
you
can
include
you,
know
chp
in
these
discussions
just
just
to
have
them
enforce
it,
because
you
know
if
we
keep
cleaning
clean
and
cleaning
and
they
keep
just
dumping
them
or
not
not
taking
care
of
the
highways.
Then
we're
going
to
be
back
in
the
same
problems.
G
I
I
would
suspect
chp
not
unlike
our
san
jose
pd,
have
lots
of
priorities
and
it's
a
challenge
for
them
to
prioritize
that
over
the
many
things
that
they're
doing
I
I
do
believe
it
is
an
important
component
and
we
will
work
to
do
what
we
can
for
the
december
before
study
session.
To
lay
out
that
aspect.
G
E
G
G
If
I
feel
like
councilmember
that
we
have
a
a
good
progress
related
report,
that
would
be
worth
the
committee's
time,
we
will
absolutely
bring
it
back
before
then
I'll,
coordinate
with
the
city,
manager's
chief
of
staff
and
the
mayor
on
that
one.
So
they're
aware
of
planning
for
rules
committee
that
if
we
have
something
that
is,
that
is
worth
the
committee's
time
and
and
we're
prepared
to
give
you
kind
of
substantial
new
information,
we
will
absolutely
work
to
do
that.
It's
a
it's
important
to
us.
E
So
mayor
my
question
to
you:
I
actually
didn't
see
your
memo
yet
on
the
three
million
dollars
that
was
proposed.
I
think
that
this
all
ties
in
together
is
that
I
didn't
see
it
on
the
rules
committee
or
on
the
next
two
council
sessions.
Is
that.
B
Yes,
that
is
part
of
the
mayor,
released
a
memo
related
to
the
coronavirus
relief
fund,
rebalancing
and
the
the
covet
19
overall
budget
rebalancing.
So
his
memo
is
a
blue
memo
on
staff's
memo.
For
that.
A
G
G
I
think
we
need
to
really
take
a
deliberate
approach
to
this.
This
is
something
we
have
to
try
and
build
a
sustainable
system
over
the
long
term.
We've
taken
many
half-hearted
whacks
at
this,
not
for
lack
of
effort,
but
it's
a
it's
a
monumentally
challenging
system
to
overcome
and
we're
trying
to
build
a
system
that
can
continually
sustain
and
get
results
and,
and
it
needs
a
very
thorough
approach
to
get
there.
E
F
Thank
you
yeah.
I
just
want
to
underscore
jim.
I
appreciate
that
this
is
the
same
team
working
on
blight
and
illegal
dumping
across
the
city,
whether
it's
a
city
site
or
not
a
city
site.
I
think
the
conversation
that
we're
we're
going
to
have
around
the
three
million
dollars
is
going
to
be
important,
because
I
would
just
put
out
there
that
we,
I
understand
that
we
need
to
prioritize,
but
prioritizing
city
sites
may
not
be
the
biggest
sore
spots
for
our
residents.
F
So
I
I
just
want
to
kind
of
put
that
out
there
that
that
I,
I
understand
the
need
to
prioritize
and
I
completely
support
your
your
approach
to
wanting
to
you
know,
get
it
right
and
get
systems
in
place.
F
I
would
just
put
out
there
that
that
the
reason
that
I
was
on
this
caltrans
memo
is
because
those
are
the
those
are
the
sorest
of
the
sore
spots
in
my
district,
and
I
would
I
would
venture
a
guess
that
all
of
the
us
who
signed
on
to
that
memo
that
that's,
where
our
pain
points
are
so
when
you're
thinking
about
that
three
million
dollars
and
how
you
want
to
direct
it.
I
would
just
put
out
there
that
I
think
spending
time
on
this
caltrans
thing
and
you're
right.
G
G
I've
got
this
the
staff
team
to
kind
of
figure
out
a
system,
because
we
can
clean
it
up
with
part
of
the
three
million
and
we
can
turn
around
two
weeks
later
and
it's
right
back
and
two
weeks
later,
it's
right
back
again
and
three
million
dollars
will
go
very
quickly
and
we
won't
have
a
system
we'll
be
right
back
in
the
same
place
in
six
weeks
three
times
over,
so
there's
no
question.
We
have
to
to
apply
the
three
million
as
effectively
and
the
most
important
places
as
we
can
and
getting
a
system.
G
F
A
Okay,
any
other
questions
all
right,
then
counselor
counsel
did
you
want
to
make
a
motion.
A
Hi.
Okay,
the
item.
I
is
the
open
government
report.
I
don't
believe
we
need
any
motion
there.
That's
interested
in
the
materials
is
that
right.
Okay,
all
right,
then
we'll
move
on
to
open
forum.
Mr
beekman.
D
Hi,
thank
you
for
the
meeting
for
the
last
item.
I
just
wanted
to
comment
that
I've
been
really
enjoying
that
you
had
a
well.
I
don't
know
if
you
joined
the
right
word,
but
you've
allowed
the
public.
You've
had
a
public
hearing
process
for
the
past
year
or
two
that
you
choose
really
relevant
issues
to
issues
of
san
jose
government.
At
this
time
and
like,
for
instance,
january
22nd,
you
had
an
item
on
on.
How
can
there
be
more
public
accessibility
to
body
camera
quidditch
and
through
through
the
court
appeal
process?
D
D
I
I
wanted
to
try
to
say
one
more
time
about
the
equity
ideas
for
for
transportation
that
are
possible
and
that
can
put
off
the
the
cutting
of
funding
the
cutting
of
revenue
and
all
that
you
know
really
difficult
stuff.
The
vta
is
going
through
right
now.
D
H
Hi,
thank
you
good
afternoon.
I
meant
to
comment
on
the
open
government
report,
but
you
moved
on
so
quickly.
Oh
I'm
sorry.
Anyway.
I
just
wanted
to
briefly
comment
on
the
calendar
posting
report
and,
first
of
all
to
thank
you
that
you're
being
so
open
with
your
calendars,
I'm
pretty
sure
it's
sometimes
very
annoying.
I
just
wanted
to
share
that.
As
I
wrote
to
you
earlier
today
that
I've
been
following
council
member
debs
calendar
for
a
while.
H
Now,
I'm
just
checking
in
from
time
to
time
what
he's
up
to
just
curiosity-
and
I
don't
mean
to
single
him
out
here-
it
says-
he's
my
council
member,
so
I
checked
his
colors
and
somebody
else's
and
what
I
noticed
for
the
first
half
of
the
year
was
that
the
calendar
wasn't
regularly
updated
and
it
had
like
council
member
council
meetings
and
like
reoccurring,
neighborhood
meetings,
but
not
much
else,
and
I
totally
understand
with
everything
going
on
that.
H
You
know
keeping
calendars
updated,
wasn't
necessarily
on
anyone's
mind,
and
I
certainly
don't
mean
to
imply
that
country
memory
was
trying
to
hide
anything.
You
know
I
don't.
I
don't
know
if
it
was
an
oversight
or
technical
issue.
In
any
case,
there
were
very
limited
updates
to
those
calendars,
and
I
also
want
to
be
clear
that
once
I
shared
my
observation
of
the
calendar
not
being
updated
with
amanda
as
the
open
government
manager
a
week
later
or
so,
the
calendar
was
backfilled
and
seems
up
to
date.
H
Now
I
don't
think
there
was
any
harm
done.
What
I
am
slightly
concerned
about
is
that
the
report
today
says
that
there
was
100
compliance
and
that
as
a
member
of
the
public,
that
has
just
not
been
my
experience,
and
I
would
love
to
hear
from
staff
where,
where
their
discrepancy
comes
from,
thank
you.
Okay,.
A
And
that's
with
regard
to
the
open
government
report,
let
me
just
ask:
I
know
we
are
an
open
forum,
but
tony
I
believe
you
compiled
the
open
government
report.
Is
that
right?
No,
that's
amanda!
Oh
forgive
me.
B
I
Yeah,
so
I'll
just
a
little
bit
of
background,
so
I
check
public
calendars
each
week
on
tuesdays
and
if
it
looks
updated
up
to
date
to
me
by
5
pm
on
tuesday,
I
mark
it
as
compliant.
I
It
really
isn't
until
you
know
we
hear
from
residents
or
members
outside
of
the
council
office
if
the
calendar
is
out
of
date
and
that's
when
we'll
address
it
so,
like
I
said
like
if
I
look
at
the
calendar
and
I
see
appointments,
you
get
a
you
know,
compliance
check
mark
if
I
feel
like
it's
sort
of
the
same
appointments
each
week
like
you
know
just
the
council
meeting
rules
and
a
staff
meeting
and
it's
kind
of
the
same
thing
each
week,
I'll
check
in
with
the
office
just
to
make
sure
that
there
aren't
any
additional
meetings
but
yeah,
like
lisa,
said
I'm
happy
to
connect
with
robin
offline
to
discuss
this.
I
I
think
the
issue
was
brought
up
after
the
compliance
reports
were
completed
and
compiled.
So
we'll
definitely
want
to
talk
with
him
about
that.