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From YouTube: SEP 16, 2020 | Station Area Advisory Group
Description
The City of San José and the greater Bay Area region have the unique opportunity to build an internationally prominent transportation center and to develop a superb destination within the area around the Diridon Station. A comprehensive community engagement effort is underway to share information and gather community input on a range of topics related to the potential development.
The Station Area Advisory Group ("SAAG") is an important component of this community engagement effort. Approved by the City Council in February 2018, the SAAG is composed of 38 volunteers representing stakeholder groups, including neighborhood groups, business groups, and community-serving organizations. The SAAG meets approximately once per month at City Hall to discuss development in the Diridon Station Area. In 2018, the SAAG will focus on the potential Google development.
Please visit www.diridonsj.org for more information.
Agenda https://www.diridonsj.org/s/20200916_SAAG-Meeting-Agenda_2.pdf
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Okay,
I
think
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
get
started.
So
thank
you
all
again
so
much
for
joining
us
for
another
sog
meeting
as
typical
protocol
before
we
get
started.
We
wanted
to
acknowledge
that
we
do
have
live
interpretation
available
in
both
spanish
and
vietnamese,
and
I
wanted
to
ask
two
of
our
interpreters
to
go
ahead
and
read
this
message
for
us
so
gabby.
If
you
want
to
start
with
the
spanish.
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Hi
hi
everybody,
I'm
kim
wallish
deputy
city
manager,
and
I
just
feel
like
I
want
to
start
by
just
extending
deep
appreciation
to
everybody
who's
here
with
us
tonight.
The
sag
members,
the
members
of
the
community,
the
staff,
the
consultants,
the
translators
I
I
just
I
just
want
to
acknowledge.
I
think
we
know
this
is
just
a
time
when,
when
so
many
in
our
community
are
you
know
under
stress
and
are
are
suffering
and
whether
it's
the
pandemic,
the
economic
crisis.
E
You
know
racial
inequities
and
injustice,
wildfires,
bad
air,
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e
power,
shut-offs
election
anxiety.
It's
just
it's
a
lot,
it's
a
lot
and
I
know
we're
all
feeling
it
and
it's
just
hard,
sometimes
just
to
get
through
the
day.
So
I
just
want
us
all
to
appreciate
how
remarkable
it
is
that
we
continue
to
have
this
incredible
turnout
for
these
evening
meetings-
and
I
know
we're
all
here
because
we
love
san
jose
and
we
love
the
people
of
san
jose
and
we
want
to
do
you
know
the
right
thing
and
something
positive.
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So
just
a
huge
amount
of
appreciation
we've
been
at
this
for
a
very
long
time.
So
it's
like
about
two
and
a
half
years
right
now
and
the
end
is
in
sight-
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
sticking
with
it,
and
that
includes
the
staff.
You
know.
Staff
have
been
continuing
to
very
much
prioritize,
getting
the
civic
engagement
as
right
as
it
can
be.
You
know,
while
we're
sheltering
in
place
and
we've
been
very
committed
to
that,
so
a
special
shout
out
to
all
the
staff.
E
You
see
the
names
on
the
slide
here
of
the
staff
that
are
in
attendance
today,
there's
probably
about
80
of
us
involved,
one
way
or
another,
with
this
project
and
supporting
the
community
outreach.
So
last
thing
I
just
want
to
do.
I
really
just
want
to
encourage
everybody
to
to
speak
up.
If
you
have
a
question
or
you
have
a
concern,
we
want
you
to
speak
up,
but
also,
if
you
feel
like
things,
are
going
in
the
right
direction
and
you're
comfortable.
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Please,
please
speak
up
as
well
we're
going
to
try
to
do
some
polls
and
have
some
techniques
to
involve
more
people
in
the
conversation
in
terms
of
the
sag
members.
But
please
you're
all
here,
because
you
represent
a
really
important
point
of
view.
So
so
don't
be
shy
about
speaking
up
and
I'm
talking,
especially
the
people
who
who
haven't
spoken
up
so
much
in
the
last
few
meetings
we
really
do
want
to
hear
from
as
many
of
you
as
possible.
A
Thanks
so
much
kim
and
just
a
quick
note
for
you
francisco,
just
a
heads
up,
you
are
the
interpreter
in
the
spanish
room,
so
please
go
ahead
and
start
interpreting.
Thank
you,
okay.
So
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
quick
overview
of
the
meeting
agenda
for
tonight.
We'll
start
as
we
typically
do
just
getting
an
approval
of
the
meeting
minutes
from
our
last
meeting
in
june.
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Just
to
give
you
a
sense
of
what
we've
been
up
to
over
the
past
couple
months,
we're
going
to
have
a
discussion
about
the
height
limits
for
the
dsap
as
well,
the
deer
down
station
area
plan
and
then
we're
going
to
talk
about
progress
on
the
due
down
stationary,
affordable
housing,
implementation
plan.
We
have
consultants
here
with
us
tonight
as
well
to
give
us
an
update
there
and
then,
as
always,
we're
going
to
have
plenty
of
time
for
public
comment.
So
we
appreciate
your
patience
there
and
we'll
get
to
public
comment
as
well.
A
We're
actually
really
excited
tonight
we're
going
to
try
out
some
live
polling
with
you
all
to
get
you
a
little
bit
more
engaged
and
I'm
going
to
ask
now
and
remind
you
all
as
we
get
into
it
deeper
that
the
live
polling,
we're
really
hoping
just
for
the
saag
members
to
take.
It
will
be
open
for
the
general
public
as
well,
but
we're
really
interested
in
getting
some
input
from
the
sag
on
some
of
these
key
points
today
and
then
we'll
have
follow-up
opportunities
with
the
community
as
well.
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That
will
let
let
me
know
that
you
have
a
comment
to
make
and
matt
and
I
will
be
facilitating
that
discussion
and
we'll
go
ahead
and
unmute
you
or
ask
you
to
mute
yourself
and
then
you
could
you'll
have
a
chance
to
speak.
If
you
are
calling
in,
I
believe
all
style.
Members
are
here
to
do
video,
but
there's
also
the
option
to
press
star
nine,
and
then
we
also
have
been
collecting
comments
via
email
as
well
to
be
part
of
the
public
record
in
terms
of
the
public
comments.
A
As
I
said,
we'll
have
plenty
of
time
near
the
end
of
the
meeting.
For
that
as
usual,
I
will
follow
the
code
of
concept
conduct
and
I
really
greatly
appreciate
it.
If
you
all
could
be
respectful,
no
profanities,
no
attacks
on
folks,
or
else
we
will
have
to
remove
you
from
the
meeting
and
we'll
have
plenty
of
opportunity
again
for
you
to
provide
input,
there's
also
opportunities
to
provide
input
through
the
website.
A
There's
a
couple
contacts
here:
either
deardonsj.org,
contact
or
sog
would
be
great
places
to
go
to
keep
up
to
speed
and
then
same
thing
goes
for
the
public.
When
we
get
to
public
comment,
same
rules
apply.
If
you
could
please
use
the
head,
raise
your
hand,
feature
I'll,
go
ahead,
and
let
you
know
that
it's
your
turn
unmute
you
and
give
you
a
chance
to
speak,
we're
going
to
have
about
a
minute
per
speaker
because
we're
anticipating
a
lot
of
folks
that
are
going
to
want
to
speak.
A
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
provide
time,
but
we're
really
hoping
to
keep
this
meeting
to
about
two
hours
tonight.
We
really
respect
your
time
want
to
move
through
this
process
fairly
efficiently
and
again.
Recognizing
there'll
be
plenty
of
opportunity
to
provide
additional
comment
via
email
and
other
ways
through
the
project
website.
A
Lastly,
I
wanted
to
put
this
up
on
this
screen,
because
this
is
also
being
live
streamed
for
those
that
are
watching
this
through
the
live
stream
on
the
public
channel.
This
is
the
link
to
this
zoom
meeting
and
the
phone
call
and
the
phone
number,
if
you
did
want
to
call
in
as
well
when
we
do
get
to
the
q
a
to
be
able
to
contribute
that
way.
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So
that's
enough
of
me
talking
or
actually
I
have
one
more
slide
that
I'm
tag
teaming
with
with
laurie,
but
I
want
to
give
you
again
I'm
going
to
start
a
quick
snapshot
of
community
engagement
to
date,
all
the
great
communication
we've
done
and
then
members
of
the
planning
staff
are
going
to
give
us
updates
on
the
concurrent
projects.
I
just
want
to
start
real,
quick
with
community
engagement
to
date.
A
As
you
can
see
on
this
screen,
we've
done
an
immense
amount
of
engagement
since
february
2018,
when
we
all
got
together
from
16
sag
meetings
to
small
group
discussions
to
multiple
community
meetings.
Thousands
of
folks
contributed
through
surveys
over
33
000
visits
to
the
project
website.
So
clearly,
this
has
been
integrated
in
communities,
minds
and
they've,
provided
a
lot
of
great
input
throughout
the
process.
A
J
Thank
you
dave,
so
we
wanted
to
start
with
just
an
overview
of
the
documents
that
are
anticipated
to
be
released
over
the
course
of
the
next
six
to
nine
months.
So
for
the
google
downtime
west
project,
an
application
package,
recent
middle
is
expected
to
become
public
in
october,
so
that
will
include
amendments
to
the
general
plan
and
the
dear
non-stationary
plan
that
are
specific
to
the
downtown
west
project,
as
well
as
historic,
landmark
applications
involving
boundary
revisions
to
the
water
company
building
and
the
durodan
station
historic,
landmark
boundaries.
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J
Concurrent
with
the
application
resubmittal,
the
draft
downtown
west
design
standards
and
guidelines
document
will
also
be
released,
as
well
as
the
draft
environmental
impact
report.
So
those
first
three
bullets
in
bold
are
all
anticipated
to
be
released
together
later.
There
will
also
be
a
public
draft
of
the
development
agreement
and
community
benefits
plan,
and
then,
after
the
comment
period
has
closed
and
responses
to
comments
have
been
prepared.
The
final
environmental
impact
report
will
be
released
for
the
deer
non-stationary
plan.
J
Draft
amendments
to
the
dsap
are
also
anticipated
to
be
released.
This
fall
and
the
environmental
review
document
will
also
be
released.
Finally,
also,
this
fall
the
draft
affordable
housing
implementation
plan
for
the
duradon
station
area.
It
will
also
be
released
and
you'll
be
hearing
more
about
that
in
the
second
half
of
this
meeting.
J
Our
seven
community
partners
listed
here
not
always
yeah.
Their
logos
are
on
the
right.
There,
we'll
be
hosting
virtual
events.
We
will
also
launch
another
shorter
online
survey,
much
shorter
than
the
last
one
and
staff
will
meet
with
community
groups
and
that
can
include
presentations
at
those
groups
regularly
scheduled
meetings.
So
this
offer
still
stands
for
sag
members.
We
wanted
to
reiterate
that
please
reach
out
to
laurie.
If
you
would
like
support
in
organizing
a
meeting
to
engage
your
organization.
J
As
mentioned,
we'll
be
releasing
several
draft
documents
related
to
the
google
project
in
the
coming
weeks,
and
there
will
be
a
series
of
events
and
tools
to
gather
feedback,
so
the
background,
presentations
and
other
supporting
materials
for
downtown
west
will
focus
on
these
topics.
So
these
are
areas
where
we
will
inform
you
and
get
your
feedback.
J
Plan
will
which
highlights
the
district
utility
concepts
and
environmental
sustainability
features
of
the
project,
the
open
space
plan,
how
it
meets
the
parkland,
ordinance,
operation
and
maintenance
models
and
the
draft
environmental
impact
report.
The
key
findings,
how
to
provide
comments
and
next
steps
and
the
development
agreement
and
update
on
the
progress
and
feedback
related
to
the
community
benefits,
so
lots
to
review,
absorb
and
comment
on
for
the
dsap
amendment.
As
we
mentioned
last
time,
we're
reorganizing
the
document
with
chapters
that
focus
on
specific
areas.
J
The
open
space
in
place
making
includes
parks,
plazas
and
public
art,
and
the
mobility
chapter
includes
the
multimodal
street
and
mobility
network,
as
well
as
parking
companion.
Documents
to
the
dsap
will
be
the
affordable
housing
implementation
plan,
which
will
be
summarized
in
the
dsap
itself,
as
will
the
infrastructure
financing
strategy
that
will
be
completed
in
the
next
scope.
J
The
focus
of
this
false
outreach
on
the
dsap
will
be
on
explaining
the
proposed
changes
and
how
they
respond
to
community
input
to
date.
We
also
recognize
that
there
are
a
lot
of
overlapping
processes
going
on
right
now,
especially
involving
transportation.
So
we
will
continue
to
work
to
clarify
the
relationship
and
scope
of
each
process.
J
So
on
that
note
on
the
next
slide,
we
have
a
map
that
illustrates
the
study
areas
for
several
of
these
overlapping
projects.
So
the
downtown
west
project
in
yellow
the
broader
deirdon
stationary
plan
update
in
green,
the
approximate
footprint
of
the
rail
infrastructure
indicated
in
red,
so
that's
being
looked
at
as
part
of
the
disk
process
and
then
the
big
blue
area
is
the
study
area
for
the
downtown
transportation
plan,
that's
being
led
by
staff,
from
dot
and
in
the
interest
of
keeping
things
brief.
J
So
the
work,
the
transportation
work
related
to
the
dsap
amendments
was
kind
of
front
loaded
at
the
very
outset
of
the
process,
but
for
the
broader
downtown
transportation
plan
process,
we're
in
stage
one
which
is
beginning
to
coordinate
with
parallel
efforts,
document
existing
conditions
and
do
some
background.
Research
work
is
also
beginning
with
key
stakeholders
to
develop
and
fine-tune
the
engagement
strategy
and
a
downtown
transportation
plan
has
a
another
group
of
local
partners
working
to
broaden
the
reach
of
the
outreach
effort.
J
J
There
are
several
speaker
events
lined
up
and
those
are
all
listed
on
the
project
website
at
movesan
jose.org,
including
a
workshop
on
october,
7th
and
yeah,
and
then
the
speaker
series.
All
of
that
information
is
on
move.
San
jose.org
and
they've
also
got
a
pretty
cool
social
media
presence,
so
you
can
tweet
at
them,
and
things
like
that.
So
getting.
B
A
J
The
overall
schedule:
here's
the
tentative
project
schedule
for
downtown
west
and
dsap,
including
a
few
key
milestones
and
some
community
some
community
partner
meetings,
for
which
dates
have
already
been
set.
I'd
say
the
highlight
of
this
is
the
goal
to
release
the
google
and
dsap
documents
over
the
course
of
the
next
or
by
the
end
of
october,
and
then
the
city
council
study
session,
which
has
been
scheduled
for
november
16th.
J
A
Thank
you
so
much
tim
and
we're
going
to
allow
some
time
for
questions
here
shortly,
but
I
just
wanted
to
reiterate,
as
I
said
earlier,
we
greatly
appreciate
all
your
time
and
effort
as
members
of
the
sog
moving
forward.
It
would
be
excellent
to
get
your
help
in
advertising.
The
events
that
tim
just
mentioned
and
we'll
continue
to,
let
you
know
about
and
post
on
the
project
website,
talk
to
your
organizations
and
communities.
You
all
are
a
conduit
to
the
greater
community
as
members
of
this
stocks.
A
I
really
hope
that
you
share
this
information
out
and
bring
information
back
to
us,
as
kim
mentioned
earlier.
We'd
love
to
hear
from
you
at
these
meetings
as
well
to
represent
your
organization.
So
we
really
encourage
you
to
continue
to
speak
up
and
then,
as
you've
done
in
the
past.
Attending
community
meetings,
as
well
as
members
of
the
sag,
is
great.
Bringing
your
knowledge
as
you've
kind
of
seen.
A
So
with
that,
we
just
want
to
allow
a
couple
clarifying
questions.
I'm
going
to
let
matt
go
ahead
and
take
over
to
facilitate
that
and
I'm
going
to
let
the
interpreters
know
that
this
is
our
transition
time.
So
gabby
you're
going
to
be
back
on
and
ann
you're
going
to
be
on.
So
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
stop
sharing
my
screen
and
allow
matt
to
facilitate
that
discussion.
B
H
K
B
K
E
I'm
happy
to
jump
in
go
ahead
him
unless
you
would
like
to
yeah.
I
think
so.
Two
answers
come
to
mind
jeffrey
one.
Is
we
got
very
specific
direction
from
council
to
explore
potential
incentive
zoning
opportunities
and
to
come
back
to
them
prior
to
bringing
the
dsap
or
the
downtown
west
project
forward,
so
we're
in
the
process
of
doing
that
assessment
and
anticipate
by
the
study
session
in
november.
E
We'll
have
an
assessment
of
there.
Any
capacity
tied
to
the
height
increases
to
have
additional
fees.
We
had
to
get
the
commercial
impact
fee
in
place
first
and
know
what
the
amount
of
that
was
in
order
to
do
that
analysis.
So
the
second
answer
is
the
longer
answer,
and
that
is
to
do
an
infrastructure
financing
plan.
E
You
need
to
know
what
is
the
shared
infrastructure
that
needs
to
be
financed
right,
and
so
especially,
we
need
to
finalize
the
main
elements
of
the
dsap,
and
then
we
need
to
study
to
see
what
shared
infrastructure
needs
there
are
going
to
be.
Then
you
need
to
do
engineering
studies
to
specify
those
understand
the
costs,
and
then
you
can
in
a
parallel
way,
be
looking
at
financial
tools
to
fund
those.
That's
why
we
anticipate
that
infrastructure
financing
strategy,
we'll
start
it
in
this
phase,
but
it
will
definitely
carry
through
to
the
next
phase.
H
A
A
A
J
Yes,
okay,
so
some
of
the
feedback
we
got
on
the
initial
height
and
land
use
concepts
released
last
spring
included.
You
know,
requests
for
more
information,
questions
about
how
these
concepts
were
developed
and
comments,
raising
concerns
about
potential
effects
of
tall
buildings
on
adjacent
uses,
including
single-family,
neighborhoods,
historic
resources,
public
space
and
los
gatos
creek.
B
B
M
A
J
Thank
you
dave,
so
the
the
initial
staff
proposal
really
from
the
staff
and
our
consultants,
gibberish
and
merrell
on
the
right
sort
of
represented
already
a
compromise
between
going
to
full
faa
heights
everywhere,
as
we
have
in
downtown
or
in
other
parts
of
downtown
east
of
87
and
the
lower
heights
that
were
adopted
as
part
of
the
dsat.
So
in
some
areas
we
actually
proposing
to
keep
the
heights
the
same
in
other
areas,
we
were
looking
at
going
taller.
J
We
had
a
video
and
survey
posted
on
the
project
website
and
got
over
600
survey
responses
with
a
clear
majority
saying
that
the
initial
stat
proposal
felt
about
right.
However,
strong
concerns
were
expressed
from
some.
You
know,
representatives
about
taller
buildings,
in
particular
areas
and
particularly
by
members
of
the
day
in
terms
of
the
next
slide.
Please,
in
terms
of
the
proposals
for
the
dsap
amendments
and
land
use,
the
2014
dsap
had
a
kind
of
a
more
single
use
approach
where
the
northern
zone
innovation
district
was
really
intended.
J
These
set
the
rules
and
expectations
for
the
urban
design
of
development
projects
throughout
downtown
and
including
the
duradon
station
area,
so
within
the
downtown
west
project
because
of
its
size
and
scale
and
long
build
out
the
the
downtown.
The
city's
downtown
guidelines
will
primarily
still
apply,
but
they
will
also
be
built
on
or
yeah
modified
or
supplemented
by
additional
project,
specific
design
controls
in
the
downtown
west
design,
standards
and
guidelines.
J
The
the
city's
downtown
guidelines
will
continue
to
apply
to
the
remainder
of
downtown
and
the
duradon
station
area.
They
do
include
a
series
of
framework
plans
that
outline
site
and
block
face
specific
design
controls
and
we're
looking
at
some
potential
amendments
to
those
diagrams
to
take
into
account.
The
latest
planning
for
the
diridon
station
area
and
the
downtown
design
guidelines
which
you
might
refer
to
as
ddg
include
several
standards
aimed
at
softening
transitions
between
areas
of
different
allowable
building
heights,
so
just
to
walk
through
a
couple
of
these.
J
J
Next
one
taller
buildings
in
areas
with
historic
adjacency
need
to
meet
additional
standards
for
massing
transitions
next
tower.
Bulk
and
separation
are
controlled
by
the
skyline
level,
massing
section
and
frontage
along
streets
and
open
space,
including
los
gatos
creek,
is
regulated
by
the
street
wall
section.
J
A
I
Thanks
tim
hi,
everyone
jose
ruano
here,
I'm
the
dear
don
station
area
plan
project
manager.
So
taking
a
look
at
the
spring
2020
concept
for
heights,
the
height
limits
can
be
organized
into
three
categories.
If
you
will
right
transitional
areas
that
are
about
65
feet,
mid-rise
areas
which
range
from
about
90
feet
to
140
feet,
and
then
we
have
high
rise
areas
which
reach
up
to
about
295
feet
in
the
south
and
about
160
feet
in
the
north.
I
The
heights,
decreasing
as
you
get
closer
to
the
airport,
which
is
north
of
the
deardon
station
area,
so
transitional
areas
shown
on
the
map
here
on
the
left
and
highlighted
in
this
orange
boundary,
can
accommodate
development
up
to
65
feet.
So
some
examples
of
potential
development
types
include
one
atoms
in
san
francisco
at
around
65
feet
an
example
from
san
jose.
I
Now
this
project
is
proposed
in
the
dsap
along
west
san
carlos
street
next
and
another
example
in
the
dsap
just
south
of
deirdon
station,
also
around
65
feet
in
height
next
moving
on
to
mid-rise
areas.
So
some
examples
for
mid-rise
construction
include
a
residential
development
proposed
along
west
san
carlos
street.
At
around
84
feet
next
modera
san
pedro
square:
this
is
located
in
downtown
san
jose
at
around
89
feet
and
another
example
in
the
dsat,
that's
currently
under
construction
and
is
across
the
street
from
whole
foods
at
around
100
feet
in
height.
I
Recent
potential
development
heights,
so
the
map
on
the
left
here
illustrates
and
or
shows,
recent
development
in
the
deer
down
station
area.
The
map
includes
projects
built
since
2000
or
those
that
are
under
construction
projects
approved
by
planning
projects
under
review
and
projects
under
preliminary
review.
Also
included
in
the
map,
are
heights
for
each
project.
So,
as
you
can
see,
there's
quite
a
bit
of
development
interest
in
the
dsat
now
the
heights
shown
on
this
map
are
either
approved
or
proposed,
depending
on
where
the
projects
are
in
the
planning
process.
I
So
if
we
look
at
the
map
on
the
right
now,
which
could
be
described
almost
as
an
inverse
of
the
map
on
the
left
now,
this
map
shows
the
spring
2020
concept.
Heights,
however,
only
highlights
potential
development
sites,
so
the
consultant
team
that
the
city's
working
with
skidmark,
owings
and
merrell
som
for
short
identified
these
development
sites
to
develop
a
maximum
build
out
capacity
for
the
area,
so
these
sites
essentially
include
all
land
within
the
dsap,
except
for
projects
built
after
the
year.
I
Next,
some
comments
that
we've
been
receiving
from
the
community
throughout
our
outreach
efforts,
as
tim
and
dave
mentioned
earlier,
include
concerns
in
regards
to
heights
next
to
single
family
or
lower
density
residential
areas.
The
map
on
this
slide
shows
residential
uses
surrounding
the
dsat.
These
are
highlighted
with
an
orange
boundary
next.
I
I
I
So
if
the
140
foot
area
were
to
be
increased
to
285
feet
and
we'd
see
an
increase
of
about
550
residential
units
next
area
c,
so
lower
heights
along
sunnel
between
park
and
west
san
carlos,
this
area
has
a
height
of
65
feet
in
the
spring
2020
concept.
Therefore,
no
change
is
reflected
on
this
slide.
I
Next,
please
lower
heights
between
west
san
fernando
and
park
avenue,
so
the
spring
2020
concept
height
for
this
area
is
285
feet.
Looking
at
the
capacity
we
see
about
500
residential
units.
Now,
if
this
area
were
to
be
reduced
to
say
65
feet,
we
anticipate
a
decrease
of
about
360
residential
units.
I
Area
e
increased
heights
between
park
and
west
san
carlos
street
east
of
bird
avenue,
so
this
area
has
a
height
of
110
feet.
Looking
at
that
capacity,
we
see
14
400
square
feet
of
commercial
and
about
320
residential
units.
Now,
if
this
area
were
to
be
increased
to
say
295
feet,
then
we'd
see
an
increase
of
about
220
residential
units.
However,
we
do
not
anticipate
an
increase
or
change
in
commercial
square
footage
just
because
the
analysis
anticipates
this
commercial
square
footage
as
ground
floor
retail.
I
Area
f,
so
lower
heights
between
west
san,
carlos
and
azeray
street.
This
area
has
a
mix
of
different
heights
currently,
which
includes
65
feet,
110
feet,
290,
feet
and
295
feet.
Looking
at
the
capacity
for
this
mix
of
heights,
we
get
about
960,
000
square
feet
of
commercial
and
about
a
thousand
and
20
residential
units.
I
Now
most
of
this
change
being
attributed
to
area
f,
so
the
southernmost
area
of
focus
which
included
the
mix
of
heights
being
reduced
to
65
feet
next,
please
so
now
we'll
be
moving
on
to
some
poll
questions
and
dave.
Please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
the
plan
is
to
go
through
each
of
the
slides
and
answer
six
questions
as
we
move
through
the
six
slides
and
at
the
end
of
the
sixth
slide
and
last
question,
then
we'll
have
a
discussion
about
the
results.
A
That's
right:
that's
right
thanks,
so
much
jose!
That
was
a
great
presentation.
So,
as
jose
mentioned
you're
about
to
see
a
poll
pop
up
on
your
screen,
we're
super
excited
to
try
something
different
with
you
all
again.
This
isn't
a
binding
vote.
This
won't
really
your
your
vote
isn't
going
to
make
a
huge
impact.
It's
the
direction.
We
really
want
to
get
a
sense
as
to
what
your
thoughts
are
and
the
and
doing
a
poll
will
allow
us
to
kind
of
spur
the
discussion.
A
That
way
and
again
I
want
to
reiterate
for
the
members
of
the
public
outside
of
this
sog.
If
you
can,
please
refrain
from
taking
the
poll.
I'd
greatly
appreciate
it.
There
is
no
way
in
zoom,
unfortunately,
to
restrict
folks
outside
the
panelists
from
taking
the
poll,
so
I
really
really
want
to
have
the
sog
take
this
pole.
We
will
have
opportunities
to
reach
out
to
the
community
in
other
ways
to
to
gain
this
insight
as
well,
but
this
is
really
meant
for
members
of
the
saag.
A
So
with
that,
I'm
about
to
launch
the
poll
you'll
see
something
pop
up
on
your
screen
and
then
as
jose.
Just
mentioned
we
wanted
to
have
these
refreshers
up
for
you
on
the
screen
and
jose.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
provide
any
additional
context
what's
on
the
screen,
but
all
six
questions
are
packaged
in
this
first
set.
So
you'll
get
the
refresher
for
question.
One
you'll
go
ahead
and
answer
that
that
will
move
to
the
next
slide
and
so
on
so
jose
did
you
want
to
add
any
additional
context
here.
A
Great,
thank
you
jose.
I
see
that
folks
on
the
sag
are
already
taking
the
poll,
which
is
great.
So
if
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
focus
on
question
one
and
and
I'll
give
you
a
few
seconds
to
answer
that
then
we'll
move
to
question
two.
It
looks
like
there's
some
star
students
here
who
are
jumping
through
the
entire
poll
all
at
once,
which
works
too.
So
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
give
you
a
quick
refresher
on
area
b
back
to
you,
jose.
I
Great
thanks
dave,
so
in
the
gray
area
that
you
see
here
just
below
the
140
foot
label,
there
is
an
approved
residential
development
at
around
164
feet
and
above
the
140
foot
label.
There
is
a
project
under
preliminary
review
at
around
85
feet
now
outside
the
boundary
to
the
north,
is
a
residential
development
at
around
65
feet
and
to
the
south
outside
the
boundary.
Another
residential
development
at
around
90
feet
in
height.
A
Great,
thank
you
jose,
and
I've
only
seen
about
five
or
six
members
of
the
sog
so
far
taking
the
poll.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
all
have
it
up
on
your
screen
and
have
access
to
it.
If
you
don't
see
it
for
any
reason,
definitely
feel
free
to
speak
up,
but
it
would
be
great
to
start
getting
some
of
your
input
on
the
first
two
areas
that
we
covered
and
now
we're
going
to
move
to
area
c.
A
I
So
area
d,
within
this
boundary
to
the
north
there's
a
project
under
preliminary
review
at
65
feet.
However,
the
applicant
does
have
interest
in
a
higher
height
limit,
just
north
of
the
area.
You
have
the
yeah
just
north,
you
have
the
lake
house
historic
district,
which
includes
lower
density
development
and
the
gray
area
you
see
to
the
south.
A
A
I
I
A
Great,
thank
you
so
much
jose.
Okay,
great
I
see
almost
half
of
you
have
jumped
in
now.
We'll
give
this
just
a
few
more
seconds
and
then
once
I
hit
end
polling,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
share
out
the
results
back
out
to
the
group.
So
you
can
get
a
sense
of
how
other
members
of
the
sag
felt
about
this
information
and
then
we'll
have
just
a
quick,
just
general
discussion
about
what
jose,
presented
and
answer
any
questions
before
we
move
forward.
H
A
Yeah,
thank
you
for
that
man.
Just
to
reiterate,
we
know
that
there's
been
some
groups
that
have
have
had
an
opportunity
to
provide
input,
have
been
to
the
virtual
office
hours
and
provided
input.
We're
really.
We
really
appreciate
that
we're
really
hoping
to
hear
from
the
broader
group
here
tonight
as
well.
A
A
That
gives
us
a
sense
by
area
of
of
how
you
all
felt
about
the
heights
in
that
area
in
general,
I
would
say
across
the
board:
almost
folks
are
in
the
spring
2020
heights
camp,
except
for
in
areas
e
and
b
or
e
and
c.
Excuse
me
so,
based
on
the
results
that
we
see
on
the
screen
and
we'll
capture
these
results
and
include
them
in
the
summary,
as
well,
just
as
a
sense
of
the
discussion
here
today,
but
any
follow-up
thoughts
from
the
group.
A
L
I
think
I
did
and
and
thanks
for
the
presentation
and
thanks
for
the
polling,
it's
pretty
interesting-
to
see
this.
I
kind
of
wish
that
we
could
include
600
more
votes
because,
as
you
mentioned,
there's
we
did
a
survey
of
600
people
and
they
all
kind
of
agreed
with
the
previous
staff
recommendation.
L
You
know
I'll
admit,
I'm
a
little
disappointed,
we're
talking
now
about
a
fair
amount
of
reducing
heights
when,
as
you
mentioned,
staff's
recommendation,
initially
already
sort
of
made
good
compromises.
I
thought
in
terms
of
not
going
to
the
maximum
heights
and,
in
addition,
had
those
downtown
design,
guidelines
and
standards
which
offer
additional
protections
against
some
of
the
most
concerns
about
building
heights
being
too
high.
So
so-
and
you
know
staffs
already
made
those
those
concessions
and
included
protections.
L
A
H
H
L
L
Doing
the
studies
and
adopting
these
downtown
guidelines
that
as
staff
has
referred
to,
are,
are
helping
with
transitions
to
neighborhoods
and,
and
I
know
that
in
the
south
is
where
some
of
the
highest
heights
are
and
and
seeing
that
reduction
in
housing
capacity
in
the
south
is
is
really
worrying
to
me,
because
that's
also
going
to
mean
a
reduction
in
affordable
housing
capacity.
And
it's
not
clear
to
me
based
on
some
of
the
other
numbers.
L
If,
if
we're
going
to
provide
more
comments
about
kind
of
moving
around
capacity
in
these
areas,
you
know,
I
think
we
all
know
at
the
end
of
the
day,
that
this
area
is
so
important
for
the
entire
city.
It's
going
to
bring
a
lot
of
jobs
to
the
city,
and
we
really
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
able
to
provide
a
lot
of
housing
throughout
the
area
plan
really
appreciate.
All
staff
has
done
to
to
work
on
those
capacity
numbers,
because
we
need
housing
and
affordable
housing
for
people
not
just
related
to
living.
L
You
know
the
deer
down
jobs,
but
people
throughout
the
whole
city,
and
so
you
know.
I
really
hope
that,
as
we
go
forward
in
this,
as
we
continue
to
look
at
these
heights,
that
we're
really
understanding
where
we
could
be
losing
capacity,
because
I
would
really
really
hate
to
lose
any
of
this
really
important
housing
capacity
in
the
area.
H
Thank
you
david,
so
I'm
gonna
melissa,
you're
up
next
and
then
just
as
we're
transitioning
over
just
to
let
you
all
know
that
the
powerpoint
presentation
from
this
evening
is
now
on
the
project
website:
theordonsj.org
backslash
sog.
So
if
you
want
to
follow
along
there,
if
it's
easier
to
see,
please
go
ahead
and
and
do
that.
Okay,
let's
see
go
ahead.
H
J
So
we
did
develop
some
of
those
for
in-house
use.
The
issue
is
that
there
are
so
many
variables
with
projects
that
have
been
approved,
but
not
built
or
projects
that
are
proposed,
but
not
approved,
and
so
we
can't
show
everything
at
once.
We,
you
know
we
have
good
3d
models
of
the
development
opportunity,
concepts
that
that
we
could
potentially
share
at
a
future
meeting.
H
B
Ahead,
jonathan
martinez,
georgetown
and
cahill
homeowners
association,
so
I've
been
in
you
know,
I'm
ground
zero.
I
right
next
to
the
track,
so
I
I
am
in
favor
of
of
the
height
limits.
I
understand
as
an
econ
major
in
college,
in
its
supply
and
demand,
and
so
you
put
in
more
supply
and
trying
to
meet
the
demand.
You're
gonna
you're
gonna
eventually
do
some
equilibrium
on
prices.
I
guess
my
biggest
concern
that
I
have.
B
If
we're
voicing
our
concerns,
I
really
don't
have
a
question,
but
I
do
have
a
concern
about
more
market
rate
housing
because
it
just
seems
like
all
the
projects
that's
been
approved
recently
have
been
low
income
housing
projects
and
we
just
had
one
built
right
next
to
us
and
a
senior
housing
project
and
then
there's
another
one
that
was
approved
on
mcavoy.
That's
massively
huge,
but
I'm
not
seeing
very
much
market
rate
housing
and
what
you're
doing
is
just
making
the
prices
of
these
homes.
K
H
K
K
This
online
platform,
I
don't
think
works
very
well
to
try
and
and
get
an
honest
idea
of
what
it
is.
That
should
be
done.
That's
why
I
answered
not
sure
on
a
number
of
them,
because
it
was
just
too
hard
to
under
the
time
limits
come
to
a
decent
decision
on
something
that's
a
quality
of
life
issue
which
nobody
has
mentioned
here
at
all.
K
You
know
if
all
we
want
to
do
is
fit
as
many
rats
into
the
maze
as
we
want
to
keep
going
down
the
road
you're
going
because
you're
going
to
end
up
with
a
situation
that
you'll
have
may
have
a
whole
bunch
of
housing,
but
it
may
not
be
the
kind
of
housing
that
anybody
really
wants.
They'll
use
it
as
a
transitional
thing
where
they'll
work
a
few
years,
move
on
and
take
their
money
elsewhere,.
C
Thank
you.
You
have
these
very
specific
areas,
which
are
where
we
are
I'm
with
dallas
park.
We
are
asking
if
the
appropriate
height
is
next
to
the
existing
location
from
the
the
big
picture
of
the
dsap
area.
What
percentage
of
the
dsep
area
are
these
areas
of
concern
because
the
dsap
is
kind
of
big
and
these
areas
are
really
small?
C
We
would
welcome
them
across
the
street
where
we
actually
asked
you
said
you
could
increase
development
heights,
but
there
are
areas
where
you
are
adjacent
to
existing
neighborhoods
and
we're
saying
in
these
few
small
areas
and
given
given
the
number
of
acres
of
the
dsap,
we
would
like
you
to
consider
other
things.
So
that's
my
comment.
C
H
M
Thank
you.
I
want
to
comment
that
I
agree
with
what
kevin
was
suggesting.
I
could
not.
I
mean
I've
looked
at
this
these
maps
before
and
I
s
when
jose
was
saying
me
area
a
airy
b.
I
couldn't
understand
the
context,
even
though
I'd
looked
at
the
map
before,
unfortunately,
he
did
not
send
the
maps
out
to
us
so
that
I
could
open
it
on
another
computer
and
look
at
the
map.
M
The
other
issue,
the
other
issue
that
I'm
concerned
about,
is
quality
of
life,
because
we
have
received
parks
presentations
where
they've
only
come
up
with
in
the
non-google
areas.
Only
two
acres
of
parkland
additional
for
that
whole
area
with
I've
forgotten
how
many
thousands
of
tens
of
thousands
of
of
new
residents
so
that
that's
just
not
going
to
do.
A
M
A
F
Hi,
thank
you
so
much
sandra
webber
plant
51
right
next
to
deer
dawn
station.
I
had
I
had
just
more
questions
when
when
I
was
given
the
you
know,
when
I
was
answering
it,
was
I
don't
mind
in
global
cities,
you
do
see.
Let's
say
you
have
some.
You
have
a
historic
district,
that's
right!
Next
to
tall
buildings,
it's
it's!
The
design
of
the
tall
buildings
that
not
only
attracts
tourists
to
come,
see
those
tall
buildings
because
of
their
design
in
nature.
But
it's
open
space.
F
Let's
say
between
floor
four
between
four
seven
and
thirteen
that
allows
sunlight
in
so
you're,
not
pretty
you're,
not
completely
shadowing
in
a
historic
district.
So
I
just
wanted
to
see
more
creativity
and
potential
design
ideas
and
also
traffic
load,
so
that
that's
my
two
cents
on
that.
Thank
you.
Great.
A
Thank
you
sandra
okay,
so
with
that
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
move
forward
here,
as
matt
mentioned,
we're
trying
our
best
to
make
this
meeting
a
little
more
efficient,
respecting
your
time.
So
with
that,
I
want
to
bring
jackie
sujata
up
to
take
us
through
the
deer
dawn
stationary,
affordable
housing,
implementation
plan
and
we'll
start
with
you,
jackie.
G
Great
good
evening,
I'm
jackie
morales-ferrand,
director
of
the
housing
department
and
joining
me
tonight,
is
srivastava
from
strategic
economics.
She's
one
of
a
member
of
our
consultant
team
we've
been
working
on
developing
the
affordable
housing
implementation
plan
that
we
are
sharing
with
you
tonight
next
slide.
G
G
One
interesting
fact
revealed
in
strategic
study
is
that
about
20
percent
of
the
housing
stock
in
the
dsa
is
already
affordable.
Establishing
the
25
goal
will
help
us
to
maintain
the
overall
community
balance
and
provide
more
opportunities
for
a
range
of
of
incomes
to
live
and
stay
in
the
dear
don
area.
G
Explain
the
purpose
of
the
plan
is
to
provide
again
a
road
map
on
how
we
achieve
the
25,
affordable,
housing
production
goal.
It
also
includes
preservation
and
protection
strategies
and
finally,
it
builds
on
the
excellent
work
of
the
vta
and
we
have
to
thank
the
vta
because
they
help
to
finance
the
plan
as
well.
G
While
council
directed
us
to
look
at
production,
we
know
that
we
need
to
also
address
the
other
two
p's
to
produce
displacement.
So
the
plan
includes
strategies
to
address
all
three.
The
three
ps
include
producing
new
housing,
protecting
protecting
our
most
vulnerable
residents,
preserving
existing,
affordable
housing
units
that
are
already
located
in
the
area.
So
this
plan
is.
G
The
comprehensive
is
focused
on
the
non-google
sites
because,
as
you
know,
google
will
have
its
own
plan
and
we
will
provide
an
update
on
the
google
affordable
housing
plan
at
a
future
date.
Today,
we
are
focused
on
all
the
other
residential
sites.
The
plan
estimates
that
there
is
a
7
000
unit
capacity.
G
N
Thanks
jackie,
so
I'm
just
going
to
walk
you
through
some
of
the
preliminary
findings
and
some
of
our
strategies
dave
going.
I
think
you
can
skip
ahead
to
two
slides
forward
and
I
just
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
current
population
and
housing
conditions
in
the
study
area.
Right
now,
there's
a
fairly
small
number
of
housing
units
in
the
direct
jared
on
station
area
about
700
units,
and
that
includes
141
deed,
restricted
units.
N
So,
as
jackie
mentioned
before
it's
about
20
percent
of
the
total,
the
majority
of
the
housing
is
actually
multi-family
apartment
buildings
that
are
have
some
protections
from
rent
increases,
because
many
of
them
fall
under
the
city's
apartment,
rent
ordinance
that
caps,
how
much
you
can
increase
rents
and
based
on
some
analysis
that
we've
done.
We
found
that
these
types
of
units
are
much
more
likely
to
be
occupied
by
low
and
moderate
income
households.
N
So
we
know
from
our
literature
review
and
previous
studies
that
low-income
renters
cost
burdened
households
that
are
paying
more
than
30
of
their
income
on
rent
and
residents
that
have
lower
educational
attainment,
have
a
lot
more
vulnerability
to
displacement
and
a
lot
of
those
characteristics
are
present
in
the
dsa
and
in
the
surrounding
neighborhoods.
Within
a
half
mile
next
slide,
so
this
kind
of
just
illustrates
that
you
know
right
now.
In
the
dsa
there
are
many
renters
who
would
fall
under
lower
income
categories
next
slide.
N
The
other
point
that's
important
to
make
is
that
the
vulnerability
of
renters
also
depends
on
the
kinds
of
policies
that
are
in
place
and
what
kind
of
housing
units
they
occupy
has
a
lot
to
do
with
the
kinds
of
protections
that
are
offered
so
about
15
of
the
units
in
the
neighborhoods
surrounding
the
deer
down
station
area
or
the
neighborhood
stabilization
study
area,
which
is
what
we're
calling
it
are
indeed
restricted.
Multi-Family
units
and
about
10
percent
might
be
protected
by
the
apartment,
rent
ordinance.
N
N
So
in
in
our
framework
for
thinking
about
the
strategies
we've
defined
two
geographies,
the
deer
downstation
area
based
on
city
council
direction-
is
really
where
we
want
to
focus
our
production
goal
of
25
percent,
but
in
defining
the
preservation
and
protection
activities,
we've
defined
a
half-mile
buffer
around
that
deridon
station
area
boundary.
So
on
this
image,
you
can
see
that
purple
dotted
line
is
really
being
the
geography
for
where
we
think
that
there's
some
vulnerability
to
displacement
and
where
those
efforts
should
be
concentrated
so
going
to
production.
N
Right
now,
as
jackie
mentioned,
25
of
all
housing
is
the
goal
for
25
of
all
housing
as
a
balance
to
be
deed,
restricted,
affordable
units,
and
that
would
include
inclusionary
units
that
are
integrated
into
market
rate
development,
but
also
standalone
projects,
which
is
really
how
the
city
has
typically
delivered.
Affordable
housing
is
through
subsidized
projects
that
have
a
variety
of
different
sources
of
subsidy
and
some
of
those
are
permanent,
supportive
housing
and
housing
for
unhoused
residents.
N
And
for
implementation
of
production,
you
know
one
of
the
reasons
we're
thinking
about
the
the
kind
of
need
for
multiple
different
kinds
of
ways
of
getting
to
the
goal
is
because
of
the
financial
financial
feasibility
challenges
with
new
market
rate
housing,
especially
for
higher
density
building
types
such
as
those
that
are
envisioned
in
the
study
area
and
the
high
cost
of
construction
making
it
challenging.
So
the
extent
to
which
you
can
get
a
lot
of
on-site
inclusionary
units
is
really
going
to
depend
on
whether
you
can
make
those
projects
pencil
out.
N
So
this
slide
just
sort
of
illustrates
development
costs
for
projects
that
have
been
built
in
santa
clara
county
in
the
last
few
years
and
as
you
can
see,
the
costs
are
between
seven
hundred
thousand
around
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars.
On
average,
for
this
is
a
13
projects
that
we
evaluated,
the
cost
is
higher
for
measure
a
projects.
Those
are
the
projects
that
are
really
targeting
populations
that
are
experiencing
homelessness
and
persons
with
disabilities
and
extremely
low
income.
N
So
this
is
again
just
sort
of
articulating
the
fact
that
there
is
a
need
for
those
local
subsidies
and
the
city
share
is
substantial,
so
our
recommendation
strategies
to
get
to
the
production
goal
are
first
prioritizing
sites
within
a
half
mile
of
the
station
for
affordable
housing
development
that
is
really
relying
on
sources
of
subsidy.
This
is
partly
because
many
of
the
state
funding
sources
in
particular
are
trying
to
encourage
housing
near
transit,
so
to
maximize
the
competitiveness
and
the
ability
to
gain
those
resources.
N
We're
also
recommending
that
the
city
continue
to
partner
with
transit
agencies
and
with
developers
to
try
to
access,
what's
called
the
affordable
housing
for
sustainable
communities,
funding
source
from
the
state,
which
is
really
privileging
projects
that
can
show
that
they
are
reducing
greenhouse
gas
emissions
and
really
creating
more
sustainability,
so
figuring
out.
A
way
of
coupling
transit
investments
with
the
affordable
housing
is
key.
N
Another
potential
strategy,
sorry,
is
to
make
the
dsa
a
priority
area
for
allocating
future
revenues
from
the
city,
adopting
the
changes
to
the
inclusionary
housing,
ordinance
and
updating
some
of
the
city's
policies,
so
that
you
can
encourage
lower
cost
construction
technologies
and
make
development
more
feasible
for
stabilization
and
what
we
mean
by
that
is
protection
and
preservation.
The
other
two
p's,
let's
transition
to
that.
The
goals
that
we
have
put
forward
are
to
really
ensure
that
the
city
can
maintain
the
number
of
low-income
renters
in
the
study
area.
N
Again,
that's
that
half
mile
radius
and
maintain
the
affordability
of
existing
deed,
restricted
units.
So
most
of
this,
the
the
income
restricted
units
that
are
in
the
stabilization
study
area
have
affordability
to
2040.
But
we
want
to
make
sure
that
it
goes
even
longer
term
than
that
and
then
finally
launching
a
preservation
pilot
program
which
I'll
explain
in
just
a
minute.
N
The
there
are
some
opportunities
in
terms
of
preservation
to
acquire
some
of
those
multi-family
properties
that
don't
have
any
restrictions
on
them,
but
that
do
house
a
lot
of
lower
income
folks,
but
some
of
those
those
opportunities
are
limited
to
the
property
owners
that
are
actually
willing
to
sell
at
a
reasonable
price.
The
smaller
properties
that
have
less
than
20
units
are
generally
the
ones
that
are
most
affordable
and
have
the
lowest
rents
and
might
be
the
easiest
to
acquire
because
they
might
be
mom
and
pop
landlords,
but
they're
really
challenging
to
manage
efficiently.
N
N
N
So
our
recommendation
is
to
the
city:
doesn't
really
currently
have
a
preservation
program
to
acquire
those
types
of
units
and
convert
them
to
permanently
or
to
deed,
restricted,
affordable
housing.
So
the
recommendation
is
really
to
focus
on
a
pilot
program
that
would
really
target
the
dsa
and
surrounding
neighborhoods
to
start
that
process.
N
On
protection,
many
of
our
strategies
are
actually
included
in
the
draft
anti-displacement
strategy-
that's
going
to
council
next
week,
but
they
include
things
like
providing
more
support
for
legal
services
and
maybe
creating
a
resource
and
education
center
in
the
in
or
around
the
dsa.
That
helps
to
communicate
what
the
rights
of
tenants
are
considering.
Options
for
enforcing
the
state
regulations
that
do
exist
to
protect
tenants
and
expanding
the
city's
regulations
to
have
more
protection,
especially
for
people
who
live
in
single-family
homes,
duplex
and
condo
town
homes,
and
that's
it
for
me.
Thanks
dave.
A
Thank
you
sujata
and
jackie.
So
we've
now
come
to
another
pause
in
the
presentation
to
quickly
do
a
quick
poll
with
you
all
again
to
try
to
get
your
sense
on
a
couple
questions
the
first
one
being.
What
are
your
thoughts
about
neighborhood
stabilization
study
area
concept,
for
example,
including
the
half-mile
radius
around
the
deer
down
station
area
in
the
preservation
and
protection
study
area?
So
one
is
I
like
it
two
is.
I
like.
The
focus
of
preservation
and
protection
just
be
on
should
just
be
on
the
dude
on
station
area
itself.
A
Three
is
I
like
it
for
preservation,
but
protection
strategy
should
cover
a
large
area
and
the
last
one
is
don't
know
so.
I'm
going
to
launch
the
poll
now
and
you'll
see
two
questions
on
there.
We
just
kind
of
package
these
together.
If
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
answer
that
first
question
for
me
and
again
if
we
could
restrict
these
responses
to
members
of
this
song,
I
greatly
appreciate
it
I'll
give
you
a
few
more
seconds
here
and
then
I'm
going
to
pop
up
the
next
question.
H
And
while
you're
doing
this,
remember
that
this
is
a
way
of
encouraging
discussion
among
the
group
to
get
because
we'll
we
can
dive
into
why
people
picked
what
they
picked
and
it
is
not
a
you
know.
A
final
answer
for
this.
So
remember
that
it
is
because
there
was
a
lot
of
information.
It
was
fascinating,
but
a
lot
of
information
to
take
in
at
one
time.
A
Great
point
matt
yeah,
and
we
will
have
an
opportunity
to
have
a
quick
discussion
about
this
as
well
and
maybe
answer
any
follow-up
questions.
While
we
have
jackie
and
sujata
with
us,
so
the
next
question
is
which
of
these
recommended
strategies
strike
you
as
the
most
interesting
one
is
make
the
deer
down
stationary
a
priority
area
for
commercial
linkage,
fee
revenues
and
other
resources.
A
Two
is
to
create
a
preservation
pilot
program
to
formalize
affordability
of
existing
unrestricted,
affordable
units.
Three
is
develop
a
tenant
education
center
located
in
or
near
the
deer
down
station
area
and,
lastly,
is
to
make
the
neighborhood
stabilization
study
area.
That's
the
dsa
plus
a
half
mile
radius
a
priority
for
implementing
the
city-wide
residential
anti-displacement
strategy.
A
It's
a
mouthful,
a
lot
of
information
there.
I
see
that
almost
half
of
you
have
taken
the
poll,
I'm
just
going
to
give
you
maybe
10
more
seconds
here
to
allow
you
all
to
think
it
through
and
again.
If
you
didn't
get
a
chance
to
enter
the
poll,
no
problem
at
all
we'll
still
have
an
opportunity
to
discuss
it
here
and
plenty
of
opportunity
after
this
meeting
to
provide
additional
comment.
A
A
third
approximately
30,
you
like
the
preservation,
but
protection
strategy,
should
cover
a
larger
area.
Was
your
thought
there?
Maybe
we
can
start
with
your
thoughts
on
that
question.
You're.
Welcome
to
also
let
us
know
what
you
thought
about
the
second
question,
but
matt
I
see
a
couple
hands
raised.
Do
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
start.
B
All
right,
jonathan
martinez
again
from
georgetown
cahill,
I
have
a
question
about
how
we're
defining
affordable
housing
again.
Georgetown
and
cahill
are
townhouses.
We're
not
talking.
You
know,
university
avenue
or
you
know,
silver
creek,
gated
community,
it's
it's
just
townhouses
right
next
to
the
train
station
and
then
the
other
question
I
have
is
what
makes
you
think
that
people
who
are
in
low-income
housing
or
what?
B
G
Sure
so
this
is
jackie,
so
we
typically
think
about
affordable
housing.
Income
ranges
from
as
low
as
30
of
the
area
median
income
and
we
typically
go
all
the
way
up
to
120.
So
that
would
be
somebody
that
would
be
more
moderate
income.
So
we
do
try
to
create
a
range
and
it's
affordable
if
someone's
paying
30
of
their
income
towards
their
housing
costs
and
in
terms
of
people
using
transit.
A
K
One
one
comment:
you
know
appreciate
that
you
have
to
pick
some
kind
of
study
design
here
and
and
landed
on
the
the
dsap
plus
a
half
a
mile.
I
think
you
know
just
in
looking
at
the
real
estate
market.
You
know
I
live
a
couple
miles
from
the
station
and
you
know
see
how
homes
in
my
neighborhood
that
are
marketed.
As
you
know,
within
distance
of
google,
I
think
it's.
K
It's
arguable
that
that
google
is
not
only
going
to
have
a
wider
impact,
not
google,
but
development,
I
should
say
in
the
dsap-
is
going
to
have
a
wider
impact
than
just
the
half
mile
radius
outside
of
the
plan
and
because
of
the
connectivity
of
the
rest
of
the
transit
network.
You
know,
arguably
in
transit
hubs
within
a
couple
of
stops
of
the
station
area,
and
so
you
know
I
I
would.
I
think
it's
a
it's.
K
A
great
start
what's
been
laid
out
in
this
approach,
but
really
we
need
to
think
about
what
the
kind
of
displacement
impacts
are
in
more
than
just
the
immediate
area
surrounding
the
dsap.
So
it
would
encourage
the
housing
plan
to
think
about,
particularly
for
the
preservation
and
protection
elements.
How
do
we
expand
some
of
those
benefits
to
areas
in
the
transit
network
you
know
and
on
that
on
that
front
appreciate
the
proposal
around
a
preservation
pilot.
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
Also
it's
worth
considering
for
the
plan.
K
Can
we
link
the
concept
of
the
the
neighborhood
stabilization
fund
that
we've
been
talking
about
in
the
context
of
the
downtown
west
project?
Can
we
link
that
to
the
larger
the
larger
anti-displacement
plan
here
for
the
dsap
and
possibly
looking
at
you
know
whether
it's
a
commercial
linkage
fee
or
possibly
the
incentive
zoning
resources
we
talked
about
earlier
in
the
meeting?
K
Could
those
funds
help
to
fund
you
know,
preservation
and
protection
elements
for
for
these
areas
that
are
are
likely
to
be
impacted
by
some
of
the
more
intense
development
in
the
area.
One
question
for
the
the
analysis
of
the
affordable
housing
finance.
You
know
it
was
laid
out
that
the
the
kind
of
goal
in
terms
of
subsidy
from
from
local
resources
is
is
somewhere
around
225
000
per
unit.
K
G
You
know
the
new
inclusionary
provides
an
incentive
for
developers
to
start
building
on-site,
something
so
that
we
could
begin
to
see
some
level
of
integration
and
then
reduces
the
fee
in
order
to
recognize
that
benefit
of
creating
some
units
on
site.
So
I
think
we
can
make
it
work
because,
right
now,
at
least
in
the
short
term,
there
are
other
subsidies,
whether
it's
state
or
local
subsidies,
measure
a
which
would
also
help
us
to
achieve
a
much
deeper
income
level,
and
but
I
think
that
question
in
the
long
term
will
become
more
important.
G
D
You
with
us,
I
am
thanks
for
trying
again,
I
appreciate
it
yeah
to
jackie's
point
in
the
earlier
question
and
just
to
come
into
the
percentage,
but
the
the
percentage
of
lower
income
people
who
do
use
transit
is
definitely
higher
than,
for
instance,
even
moderate
income
or
higher
than
moderate
income
people.
This
is
why
the
vehicle
miles
traveled
models
do
credit,
affordable,
housing
differently
than
other
types
of
housing
when
it's
conducted
when
it's
constructed
near
transit,
so
studies
show
that
they
do
use
on
average
transit.
More
frequently.
D
Also
deodon
station
is
access
not
just
to
the
train,
but
it's
obviously
a
multi-modal
connection
point
to
buses
to
to
the
ace
train.
You
know
there
are
four
or
five
major
transit
modes
that
are
connecting
there
plus
micro
mobility
hubs.
So
it's
a
very
important
area
for
lots
of
different
reasons
to
connect
to.
H
D
Thanks
the
lead
policy
attorney
at
the
law
foundation's
housing
program.
This
might
be
a
little
bit
of
a
redundant
question.
But
how
are
you
thinking
about
the
number
of
housing
units?
I
know
we
talked.
You
know
some
today
about
building
heights,
I'm
really
encouraged
and
and
and
glad
that
we're
looking
at
not
just
production
but
preservation
and
protection.
D
G
So,
in
terms
of
the
you
know,
the
the
goal
really
is
to
continue
to
provide
that
range
of
housing,
and
so
you
know,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
inclusionary
the
new
modified
inclusionary
housing
ordinance
that
we
hoped
to
bring
back.
This
fall
really
focuses
on
building
on-site,
the
moderate
income,
because
we
know
right
now-
that's
the
most
feasible
and
what
it
does
is
then
shifts
the
the
requirement
to
build
the
affordable
by
using
and
being
able
to
leverage
our
financing
tools
that
our
affordable
housing
developers
know
so
well.
G
So
what
the
study
does
is
quantifies
and
kind
of
looks
at
the
different
income
ranges
and
one
of
our
protection
goals
and
preservation
goals
is
ensuring
that
we
maintain
the
ranges
that
we're
seeing
right
now
in
the
community.
I
think
we
were
surprised
to
see
how
much
affordable
already
existed
so
we're
trying
to
maintain
some
of
that
balance
through
the
goals.
H
Thanks
thanks
jackie
all
right,
we
have
three
more
three
more
hands
up,
so
we'll
move
through
those
following
that
is
going
to
be
public
comment.
So
if
you
are
one
of
the
attendees-
and
you
have
comments
that
you
want
to
make,
please
raise
your
hand,
that's
how
we're
going
to
go
through
that.
So
raise
your
hand
now
and
remember
we're
going
to
keep
them
at
about
one
minute.
For
the
public
comment:
okay,
david!
You
are
up
next.
L
Thanks
very
much
I'll
be
quick
david
meyer
from
silicon
valley
at
home.
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
for
this
presentation.
I
really
appreciate
the
kind
of
multi-pronged
approach
of
the
three
ps
and
some
of
these
innovative
ideas
that
staff
is
putting
forward
looking
forward
to
thinking
more
about
them.
I
G
Forward
so
suhata
mentioned
that
some
of
the
tools
that
she
actually
pulled
into
the
deerdon,
affordable
housing
plan
are
actually
strategies
that
we're
highlighting
in
the
anti-displacement
plan.
So
a
really
good
example,
frankly,
is
this:
how
do
we
acquire
some
of
the
existing
smaller
buildings
in
the
anti-displacement
plan?
We're
recommending
that
the
city
adopt
a
copa
which
is
this
preservation
strategy
and
would
be
an
ordinance
that
would
allow
non-profits
or
tenants
to
actually
do
this
type
of
acquisition.
G
So
there
is
a
relationship
between
the
anti-displacement
strategy,
we're
bringing
forward
and
some
of
the
ideas
that
are
in
this
affordable
housing
plan.
They
are
interconnected.
It's
a
it's
too
bad.
We
weren't
able
to
bring
the
strategy
as
originally
scheduled.
It
got
deferred
because
you
would
have
been
able
to
hear
all
of
those,
and
you
would
see
that
connection
more
easily.
H
D
F
F
From
that
particular
community,
that
would
be
great.
Maybe
that
would
be
a
benefit
to
show
us
that,
yes,
in
complexes
such
as
that
I
mean
I
do
understand
it
on
a
as
a
general
theory
of
who
uses
transportation,
but
with
as
much
communication
and
questions
that
have
been
surrounding
this
particular
complex.
That's
already
there
at
diridon
station.
If
we
could
get
some
micro
data
on
that,
it
might
be
helpful.
G
It
might
be
challenging
now,
given
the
environment,
we're
in
where
we're
not
actually
encouraged
to
use
transit.
Unless
you
have
something
you
need
to
be
going
to
this.
It
probably
wouldn't
be
a
good
time
for
us
to
do
a
study
like
that,
but
we
certainly
know
that
many
of
our
affordable
housing
developers
provide
free
bus,
passes
and
free
transit
passes
to
encourage
their
residents
to
use
transit.
H
C
C
I
continually
hear
about
reduced
fees,
and
so
I'm
wondering
how
that
will
once
again
impact
community
benefits
and
the
future
development
in
the
area,
and
I
I
also
hear
how
difficult
they
are
to
finance
and
to
actually
get
out
of
the
ground.
I
am
wondering
about
the
more
mid-rise
because
it
seems
like
there's
an
easier
financing
path
which
creates
housing
immediately.
C
And
so,
as
we
look
at
this
area
here
that
that's
one
of
the
things
rather
than
saying
you
know,
290
here's
the
maximum,
you
can
do
what
is
really
appropriate
as
far
as
building
heights
in
different
areas
and
then,
finally,
just
going
back
to
the
other
conversation
about
the
areas
of
concern,
we
did
a
little
bit
of
math
and
it's
four
percent
of
the
dsec
area,
where
community
and
the
deng
is
concerned
about
the
heights
adjacent
to
existing
neighborhoods.
So
we're
definitely
not
anti-development
and
we're
not
anti-dense
development.
G
I
think
I
could
take
the
first
one.
I
think
the
second
one
was
really
a
planning
question
because
it
was
around
the
building
heights
and
the
mix
of
the
housing
types.
So
in
terms
of
the
financing
and
the
fee
reductions
that
you're
seeing
right
now,
those
are
temporary
due
to
the
economic
situation
that
we're
in.
G
Because
you
really
need
that
density
of
housing
to
create
that
vibrancy
and
to
create
the
types
of
things
that
people
really
love
in
big
cities
being
able
to
walk
to
your
coffee
and
to
have
that
retail.
But
you
don't
see
that,
and
you
know
those
really
really
successful
types
of
strips
and
opportunities
in
very,
very
low,
dense
housing
and
I'm
going
to
pitch
to
punt
the
density
question
to
the
planners.
J
Well,
I
mean
we've:
we've
had
a
lot
of
meetings
about
building
heights
and
talk
through
this
and
other
issues.
I
think
it's
important
to
recognize
that
the
more
height
constraints
you
place
on
development,
the
less
flexibility
there
is.
So
you
know
just
because
there's
a
a
high
limit
doesn't
mean
everyone's
going
to
build
to
that
they're
going
to
build
an
economical
project.
We
know
that
there
are
kind
of
break
points
in
the
building
codes,
where
you
know
a
lot
of
developments,
particularly
on
smaller
sites.
You
know
pencils
out
better
at
80
to
100
feet.
J
J
A
couple
other
things
to
keep
in
mind
are
that
you
know
to
get
a
viable
building
site.
A
lot
of
these
parcels
would
need
to
be
assembled.
You
know
some
of
that
activity
has
already
been
happening,
but
you
know
individual
parcels
are
not
typically
large
enough
to
make
a
tall
building
work.
So
there's
a
sort
of
inherent
amount
of
underdevelopment,
because
not
every
single
property
is
going
to
get
assembled
into
a
viable
development
site.
H
A
I
just
just
wanted
to
call
out
a
few
names
that
are
on
just
to
make
sure
we're
giving
you
the
space
jean
jody
kelly
dan
charlie,
reverend
ray
ernst
glenn
laura.
This
is
your
opportunity,
if
you
had
any
input
at
this
point
again,
there'll
be
plenty
of
opportunity
after
this
meeting
as
well.
We
just
wanted
to
give
you
that
space
before
we
transition
to
public
comment.
H
G
We're
planning
and
christine
correct,
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
it's
either
in
october
or
november,
where
we're
going
to
be
releasing
the
report
and
we'll
have
opportunities
to
we'll
definitely
have
some
meetings
that
are
just
talking
about
our
affordable
housing
implementation
plan.
Actually
kristen's
saying
mid-october
is
we're
planning
on
releasing
it,
and
so
the
housing
department
always
posts
on
our
website
where
we,
what
and
when
we're
doing,
and
we
will
ensure
that
it
gets
connected,
obviously
to
the
deardom
site
as
well.
A
O
Why
thank
you
so
much
dave
and
it's
really
good
to
see
everyone.
You
know
I
was
gone
for
a
few
months
on
maternity
leave
and
so
I'm
really
glad
to
be
back
working
with
you
all.
So
for
those
who
don't
know
me
yet
I
am
the
dear
dawn
program
manager
for
the
city,
and
so
I've
been
managing
the
community
engagement
process
for
a
couple
years
now,
and
so
we
are
coming
down
a
final
stretch
for
this
phase
and
just
to
reiterate
what
tim
had
mentioned
earlier
on
in
the
meeting.
O
O
So,
like
january
february,
time
frame
and
the
main
purpose
of
that
will
be
to
review
the
draft
development
agreement
and
we'll
also
be
wrapping
up
on
all
the
other
topics
for
feedback
before
taking
the
downtown
west
project
and
and
the
dsap
amendments
through
the
public
hearing
process,
so
that
that
will
potentially
be
the
last
sog
meeting
of
this
phase.
And
so
there's
light
at
the
end
of
the
tunnel
and
all
of
the
input
that
you've
all
provided
is
really
coming
to
a
culmination.
At
this
point.
O
O
G
O
G
A
A
I
know
right
it's
almost
tied.
Okay,
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
three
seconds
two
seconds:
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
end
it.
Let's
take
a
quick
look
sharing
out
the
results.
As
matt
mentioned,
we
are
almost
dead
even
on
either
a
regular
meeting
or
small
group
discussions
with
small
group
discussions
slightly
taking
the
lead
so
lori.
I
guess
we'll
go
ahead
and
follow
up
with
sag
members
over
the
next
few
weeks
or
month
with
some
ideas
on
on
what
that
format
can
be.
O
M
I
it's
a
request
actually,
because
this
meeting
has
been
useless
for
me,
because
I
could
not
see
the
materials
beforehand
to
study
it.
There
was
a
lot
of
material
in
there
and
I
really
appreciated
the
housing
studies
that
were
being
presented,
but
there
there
was
so
much
material
in
there
that
I
I
couldn't
digest
it
on
a
small
screen,
small
speaker,
so
I
would
appreciate
if
we
could
get
the
materials
you
know
five
to
seven
days
ahead
of
time,
so
we
can
look
at
it
and
study
it.
O
So
one
thing
that
we
think
will
be
helpful
and
we're
going
to
try
to
do
with
community
meetings
and
song
meetings
is
to
actually
record
some
of
the
background
presentation
in
advance
and
let
people
absorb
the
information
before
we
ask
for
feedback,
so
that
is
one
of
our
our
strategies
and
goals
moving
forward.
So
thank
you
harvey
and.
M
A
Definitely
definitely
it
takes
a
village.
It
takes
a
village
for
sure
so
with
that
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
transition
to
the
public
comment
period
thus
far
see
about
four
hands
raised.
Just
as
a
reminder,
using
the
raised
hand
feature
is
the
best
way
to.
Let
me
know
that
you
would
like
to
speak,
but
this
isn't
your
only
opportunity
to
provide
comments,
there's
plenty
about
other
avenues,
including
through
the
project
website,
and
submitting
your
your
comments
electronically.
That
way,
so
I
already
mentioned
this.
A
D
D
I
don't
think
that
I
think
the
city
of
san
jose
every
time
they
go
to
you
know,
do
a
development.
It
never
works.
Remember
the
pavilion
they
had
years
ago.
They
spent
umpteen
millions
of
dollars
to
tear
it
down
in
less
than
10
years,
and
this
whole
theory
on
thing.
It's
not
going
to
work,
but
again
you
take
transit
to
to
where
and
how
it's.
Just.
If
san
jose
wants
to
get
into
mass
transit,
it
has
to
be
frequent
buses.
D
A
Yes,
however,
that's
a
great
idea,
it's
difficult
when
they're
coming
in
without
having
their
names,
but
I'll
definitely
ask
for
that.
Okay,
thank
you
sure.
So
our
next
speaker
also
a
phone
number
ending
in
6262
as
harvey
noted.
If
you
can
please
let
us
know
your
name
and
I'm
going
to
start
the
timer
at
a
minute
and
I'll.
Let
you
know,
since
you
can't
see
the
screen
as
it's
counting
down
but
yeah
you're
up
now,.
D
D
So
now,
not
only
do
we
have
a
disconnected
bath
station
on
santa
clara
without
any
entrances
on
the
arena
side,
but
we
now
have
a
third
station
on
san
fernando
for
the
light
rail
that
does
not
connect
to
bath,
let
alone
car
train
capital,
corridor,
ace,
high
speed,
rail
or
anything
else.
Anybody
interested
in
learning
more
about
this
latest
video
fiasco
is
welcome
to
listening
to
tomorrow's
tomorrow
morning's
cnpp
meeting
at
10
o'clock.
D
In
closing,
this
latest
development
is
what
is
causing
a
complete
waste
of
approximately
a
half
dozen
acres
of
developer
development
plan
in
the
d
south
central
zone
between
cahill
and
the
railway
tracks.
In
closing,
I
second
half
his
comments
about
the
timing
posting
of
presentations
and
I
definitely
do
prefer
regular
sag
meetings.
Thank
you.
A
B
Up
nice
to
hear
everybody
again
after
a
break,
I
hope
you're
interested,
I
hope,
the
ideas
of
the
airport
commission
around
high-rise
development.
I
hope
that's
played
a
factor
in
all
of
the
work
that
you're
doing
right
now
and
it
can
be
considered
if,
if
it
hasn't,
if
it's
not
already,
I
I
think
they
did
really
good
work
on
high-rise
issues
around
the
airport
and.
B
A
P
Oh
good,
thank
you
so
much
appreciate
it.
Well,
I
was
appreciating
that
you
wanted
to
meet
with
our
neighborhood
associations
to
coordinate,
and
I
would
like
that
because
I,
I
am
a
founder
of
a
new
neighborhood
association.
That's
very
much
impacted
with
this
development.
It's
called
the
garden
alameda
village
association
and
we
are
part
of
the
shasta
hampshire,
neighborhood
association,
but
because
it's
a
very
large
association,
we
need
more
representation,
so
I
would
appreciate
lori
cerravino
to
really
I'll
follow
through
with
her
to
get
a
meeting
to
address
our
neighborhood
issues.
P
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
say
was
about
climate
change
and
how
that
is
something
we
really
have
to
focus
on
and
in
terms
of
transit.
We
really
need
to
work
on
our
bicycle
infrastructure
and
our
walkability
of
our
neighborhood.
That
needs
to
be
the
focus,
and
especially
in
terms
of
covet
19.
As
people
don't
want
to
be
in
transit,
we
need
to
really
work
up
that
game
very
fast.
We
also
need
the
other
issue.
P
P
The
birds
are
having
a
hard
time
because
of
the
fires,
and
so
we
need
to
build
a
native
garden
and
regenerative
organic
agriculture
and
I've
really
told
them
that.
I
really
want
that
to
happen
at
615
stockton
avenue.
That
is
a
perfect
place
to
build
urban
sustainability
and
have
that
happen
here
in
our
neighborhood
and
have
google
support
that
so
it's
land,
that's
available.
It
hasn't
been
developed.
P
A
B
C
B
B
F
All
right,
I
would
tell
you
that
it
is
very
difficult
to
follow
the
discussion
without
the
materials
in
advance.
By
way
of
example,
I
was
unable
to
remember
the
letters
for
the
zones,
but
I
do
know
the
area
very
well,
but
you
didn't
put
up
an
overview
map,
as
you
were
debriefing,
the
results
or
summarizing,
or
even
to
guide
your
participants
who
were
actually
being
surveyed
if
they
fell
behind.
F
You
need
thoughtful
response
and
not
knee-jerk
response
and
then,
finally,
as
you
consider
sag
versus
small
group,
I
am
wondering
whether
or
not
that
will
be
excluding
the
public
from
those
small
groups.
Will
we
be
unable
to
observe
because
you're
going
to
be
in
small
private
groups
rather
than
a
public
meeting?
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
gene
and
I'll.
Take
that
last
question.
I
definitely
will
be
open
to
the
public
as
they
have
been
in
the
past.
They
will
be
public
meetings.
The
small
groups
is
just
an
opportunity
for
the
sog
to
break
up
into
smaller
groups
to
have
more
kind
of
informal
discussion,
but
at
all
those
meetings
they
were
definitely
open
to
the
public
and
the
public
are
welcome
to
participate
and
and
provide
input
at
those
meetings
as
well.
A
So
with
that
we
have
made
it
to
the
end
of
our
meeting
very
close
to
on
time
again.
Thank
you
so
very
much
for
your
time
and
effort
both
members
of
the
saag
and
the
community
for
joining
us.
We
look
forward
to
seeing
you
all
again
soon
and
we'll
keep
you
updated
with
meetings
and
other
information
that's
coming
up,
but
we
definitely
encourage
you
to
go
to
the
project
website
deardonsj.org
to
keep
up
to
speed
and
find
out
more
and
just.
Lastly,
I
would
very
much
want
to
appreciate
our
interpreters.
A
I
know
it
was
a
bit
of
a
challenge
and
it
was
a
big
feat
for
everyone
to
kind
of
stay
with
us.
So,
thank
you
for
your
time
there
as
well
and
with
that.
Unless
staff
has
any
further
comments,
I
think
we're
going
to
be
adjourned.
So
thank
you
so
much.
Everyone
have
a
great
evening
good
to
see
you
all.