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A
A
C
B
Hiya
commissioner
granillo
is
absent
at
this
point.
D
A
E
F
A
Opposed
okay,
the
motion
passes
to
approve
our
agenda,
so
I
thought
we'd
start
with
the
introduction
of
members
and
staff,
we'll
start
with
the
members.
If
you
could
just
give
us
your
name
and
who
nominated
you
and
if
you
want
to
add
anything
else,
that
would
be
fine.
So
why
don't?
We
start
to
my
left
with
commissioner
Ortiz.
G
F
Peter
Ives
former
city
councilor,
and
glad
to
be
with
everybody
here
tonight
and
working
on
this
iteration
of
our
Charter
commission
was
very
involved
in
the
last
one.
So
looking
very
much
forward
to
working
with.
H
A
H
Hello,
everyone,
my
name,
is
Maria
Perez
I
was
nominated
by
councilor
Villarreal
and
I've
been
a
Santa
Fe
resident
off
and
on
since
96,
and
my
work
is
around.
A
And
I
am
Nancy
long
and
I
was
nominated
by
counselor
Carol
Romero
worth
but
selected
by
the
mayor
as
the
at-large
member
and
as
the
chair
and
I
served
on
the
last
Charter
commission.
So
some
of
that's
coming
back
to
me.
It
was
I
really
enjoyed
that
work
and
I
worked
with
Peter.
Ives
was
on
that
commission
with
me,
so
I'm
glad
to
be
back
and
to
meet
some
some
new
people
to
have
on
this
commission
and
appreciate
everyone's
efforts.
I
E
Hi
I'm
Alicia,
Montoya
I
was
born
and
raised
here
in
Santa
Fe
and
went
away
for
college
and
returned
and
I'm
excited
to
be
here
last
time
I
was
sitting
up
here.
It
was
for
the
City
Council
ethics
and
review
board
with
my.
It
was
17
years
ago
because
my
son
was
a
newborn
and
I
was
rocking
him
back
there
so
excited
to
be
back
and
with
to
do
our
great
work
ahead.
J
My
name
is
Paul
Paul
Dyrdek
I
was
nominated
by
siglindell
and
I.
I
have
spent
my
life
being
executive
directors
of
all
kinds
of
non-profits,
transnational
ones
and
domestic
ones
as
well,
and
so
this
idea
of
organizations
and
how
to
help
them
function
more
smoothly
has
been
my
bread
and
butter
and
it's
it's
always
a
wonderful
thing
to
tackle
a
problem
and
make
things
better
and
that's
kind
of
my
my.
C
Good
evening
my
name
is
Alba
blondes
and
I
apologize
for
not
being
among
you,
but
you
really
don't
want
me
there,
because
I
have
the
Santa
Fe,
gripa
and
I.
Am
the
current
chair
of
the
Southwest
Santa
Fe
Advocates,
it's
a
group
of
neighbors.
We
were
formed
probably
five
at
least
years
ago,
and
the
concept
is
to
improve
the
quality
of
life
and
to
advocate
for
this
citizenry
and
residents
who
live
in
District,
three
I've
not
been
on
it.
C
This
commission,
prior
I,
have
lived
here
in
Santa
Fe
for
the
last
10
years.
I've
lived
in
many
places,
among
them
being
northern
Mexico,
I'm
bilingual
actually
I
also
speak
Italian,
so
I'm
looking
forward
to
this
new
adventure
and
any
contribution
I
can
make
to
this
commission.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Graniel.
D
Hi,
my
name
is
John
Paul
granillo
I
have
not
sat
on
this
board
before,
but
I
am
a
Southside
Community
member
and
I've
born
and
raised
in
Santa
Fe
lived
out
in
poaque
those
areas
as
well.
I
was
introduced
and
and
by
Lee
Garcia
and
councilor
Rivera
as
well.
I
sit
on
the
housing
board.
I
sit
on
the
Southwest
advocacy
board.
I
have
a
non-profit
called
alasawa,
which
is
wings
of
water
for
South
Side
community
members.
D
K
K
We
wouldn't
otherwise
have
the
opportunity
to
do
I've
been
with
the
city
for
four
years
and
four
months
now,
and
you
know
a
lot
of
changes
that
were
made
by
the
prior
commissions
just
really
went
into
effect
with
the
tenure
of
this
Administration.
So
I
think
you
know
it's
an
interesting
time
to
check
in.
K
We
haven't
had
a
lot
of
experience
with
the
changes
that
have
happened,
but
we've
had
some
and
I
think
having
the
experience
of
folks
who
have
been
on
the
commission
before
is
going
to
be
really
helpful,
as
well
as
a
lot
of
New
Perspectives.
So
I'm
excited
to
work
with
you
all
and
I
know
that
a
number
of
my
team
members
are
as
well.
So
a
few
of
them
are
here
today.
Others
May
join
us
for
for
certain
parts
of
the
conversation
as
they
come
up,
but
thank
you.
B
L
Thank
you.
My
name
is
Marcos
Martinez
I'm,
a
senior
assistant,
City
attorney
with
the
city
and
I'll,
be
presenting
on
one
of
the
topics
today
and
maybe
I'll
be
getting
back
for
more
visits.
I
look
forward
to
working
with
you
I
have
many
of
the
same
Impressions
and
hopes
that
Aaron
expressed
so
I
think
this
is
important,
work
and
interesting
work
and
so
I
look
forward
to
providing
what
advice
I
can
to
you.
Thank
you.
A
I
think
Aaron
and
Jesse
had
some
great
ideas
for
how
to
address
our
our
sort
of
kickoff
meeting
issues,
just
laying
some
groundwork,
providing
some
background.
That
I
think
will
be
helpful
as
we
get
started.
A
So
those
are
reflected
in
the
presentation
items
that
we'll
hear
tonight
we're
not
really
tackling
the
substantive
areas
that
are
in
the
resolution.
The
council
asked
us
to
address
or
those
that
the
public
may
bring
to
us,
and
in
fact
we
don't
have
public
comment
really
tonight
on
that.
K
Yes,
thank
you
chair
long.
So
generally,
an
advisory
committee
committee
would
not
be
subject
to
the
open
meetings,
act
and-
and
this
committee
is
considered
an
advisory
committee
because
you
can't
make
any
final
actions.
However,
the
city
of
Santa
Fe
has
taken
our
open
meetings,
act,
adherence
to
a
further
level
than
is
required,
and
so
for
all
of
our
boards
and
commissions.
We
do
require
adherence
to
open
meetings
act
to
a
certain
extent.
K
We
have
created
at
least
one
exception
that
we'll
talk
about
later
this
evening,
which
is
that
we
do
allow
for
100
virtual
meetings.
If
the
commission,
commission
or
committee
takes
a
vote
that
it's
in
the
best
interest
of
the
public
to
do
so,
otherwise,
participation
in
a
discussion
of
public
business
for
our
for
our
commissions
does
have
to
happen
during
an
open
meeting,
so
basically
emails
outside
discussions
outside
of
the
public
forum
that
we're
having
now
that
was
noticed,
can't
happen
with
a
majority
of
your
members.
K
So
anytime
the
public
business
will
be
discussed
and
that
does
include
writing
or
verbally.
We
do
need
to
have
an
agenda
posted
in
advance.
The
topic
of
the
discussion
needs
to
be
on
the
agenda.
I
mean
we
publish
it
as
part
of
our
weekly
meetings
list
with
the
newspaper
and
we
post
it
at
City
Hall,
which
is
if,
if
that's
where
the
meeting
is
going
to
take
place,
we'll
also
post
it
elsewhere.
If
it's
going
to
take
place
elsewhere,
we
like
I,
said
the
the
topics
need
to
be
on
the
agenda.
K
So
if
there's
something
that
this
committee
commission
wants
to
discuss
in
the
future,
we,
the
idea
would
be
to
get
it
on
the
agenda
before
the
discussion
occurs.
I
think
we're
going
to
be
late
for
each
of
your
topics,
we're
going
to
be
placing
those
on
the
agenda
as
we
decide
to
discuss
them.
So
that
way
the
public
knows
which
meetings
will
have
which
topics
discussed
whether
or
not
there's
public
comment.
We
still
need
to
alert
the
public
which
meetings
are
going
to
have
which
topics
on
them.
K
I
think
the
most
common
confusion
happens
in
terms
of
conversations
via
emails.
I
think
is
what
we
see
at
the
city.
So
the
main
thing
would
be
you
to
very
carefully
check
who's
on
an
email
before
replying
all.
If
it's
just
staff,
then
you
can
reply
all
and
that's
fine.
K
So
it
could
be
that
three
people
in
a
subcommittee
then
reach
out
to
a
different
subcommittee
and
kind
of
gauge
their
input
on
that
subject,
and
that
would
be
called
a
rolling
Quorum.
So
we
want
to
avoid
that
and
the
best
way
to
do
that
is
to
really
limit
the
conversations
that
happen
outside
these
public
meetings.
You
might
have
subcommitt
days,
though,
and
then
you
want
to
limit
those
conversations
to
the
subcommittee.
K
There'll
be
non-majority
subcommittees
unless
you
want
to
have
public
meetings
for
the
subcommittee
as
well,
which
would
require
agendas
and
posting
72
hours
in
advance,
and
all
of
that
we
do
not
necessarily
we.
What
we
are
doing
tonight
was
doing
zoom
and
in
person
and
YouTube
accessibility.
That
is
not
required.
K
It's
something
we
we
try
to
do
when
possible,
the
zoom
accessibility
or
some
sort
of
remote
accessibility,
where
the
public
can
hear
your
members,
and
you
can
all
hear
your
members
and
and
know
who's
speaking
when
is
required
in
order
to
allow
for
remote
participation.
K
So
if
we
don't
do
it
in
a
location
like
this
and
there's
a
few
other
places
that
are
on
City
properties
that
we
have
set
up
with,
what's
called
an
owl
device
that
allows
the
camera
to
identify
who's
speaking
and
we
can,
the
chair
would
be
able
to
identify
who's
speaking
and
who
would
like
to
speak.
K
We
can
do
the
what
we
call
a
hybrid
meeting,
which
is
what
we're
doing
today,
but
that
does
reduce
our
kind
of
options
of
where
we
could
meet
in
terms
of
the
the
technology
we
have.
That
allows
for
the
hybrid
option
and
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
later
more
in
depth
about
what
we
want
to
do
in
terms
of
perhaps
doing
some
all
virtual
meetings.
Those
are
actually
a
little
bit
easier
for
us
to
support
because
you
don't
have
to
have
cameras.
Everyone
has
their
own
camera
right
and
I.
K
Think
Jesse
would
be
able
to
administer
that
for
us,
but
I
did
want
to
open
it
up
to
the
questions
and
answers
as
well
on
this
topic.
If
anyone
has
any
questions,
yeah.
A
K
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
I
think
I'm
going
to
try
to
answer
this
question
by
beginning
with
the
Constitution
and
then
looking
at
some
statutes
that
implement
the
Constitutional
provision
and
looking
at
a
few
examples
in
case
law
that
have
interpreted
the
Constitution
and
various
municipalities.
Attempts
to
find
out
what
the
boundaries
or
limits
of
home
rule
municipality
means
what
it
means
to
to
legislate
in
that
area
in
these
areas
and
then
finish
with
some
examples
from
our
city
code
and
I.
A
L
Take
as
long
as
that
suggests,
so
let
me
begin
here
with
the
Constitution,
so
this
is
New
Mexico,
the
New
Mexico
Constitution
Article
10,
section
6
and
the
brackets
say
Municipal
home
rule,
which
is
the
New
Mexico
compilation
commission's
comment
or
how
they
they
describe
this,
but
the
home
rule
terminology
doesn't
really
appear
in
this
constitutional
text.
L
The
first
part
I
have
up
here
is
section
c,
and
this
talks
about
how
the
charter
commission
basically
gets
formed
the
number
of
Commissioners
that
are
necessary
for
it,
then
how
the
charter
is
approved
by
a
vote
now,
subsection
D
is
what
I
want
to
focus
on
here.
This
is
kind
of
The
Guiding
Light
for
these
Charter
home
rule
municipalities,
a
municipality
which
adopts
a
charter,
May
exercise
all
legislative
powers
and
perform
all
functions
not
expressly
denied
by
General
law
or
Charter.
L
L
Nor
shall
it
include
the
power
to
provide
for
a
penalty
greater
than
the
penalty
provided
or
a
petty
misdemeanor
and
finally,
no
tax
imposed
by
the
governing
body
of
a
charter
municipality
except
a
tax
authorized
by
General
law
shall
become
effective
until
approved
by
a
majority
vote
in
the
charter
municipality
and
finally,
subsection
e
is
important
as
well.
The
purpose
of
this
section
is
to
provide
for
a
maximum
local
self-government.
L
Then
in
1971
the
municipal
Charter
Act
was
recompiled
and
passed
by
the
legislature.
There
had
been
a
one
that
had
been
in
existence
prior
to
the
Constitutional
Amendment,
but
this
was
the
one
that
came
into
being
after
that
one
that
one
court
has
at
least
said
implements
the
Constitutional
provision.
So
let
me
just
read
from
this
one,
because
it
it
provides
some
some
additional
guidance.
L
The
charter
May
provide
for
any
system
or
form
of
government
that
may
be
deemed
expedient
and
beneficial
to
the
people
of
the
municipality,
including
the
manner
of
appointment
or
election
of
its
officers,
and
so
in.
On
that
sense,
I,
I,
think
of
ranked
Choice
voting,
the
recall
of
the
officers
and
the
petition
and
referendum
of
any
ordinance
resolution
or
action
of
the
municipality
provided
that
the
charter
shall
not
be
inconsistent
with
the
constitution
of
New.
L
Let's
move
on
here,
there's
some
other
sections
from
the
municipal
Charter
Act.
That
I
think
are
worth
reviewing
as
well
and
I
want
to
focus
on
subsection
B
here,
which
I've
highlighted
and-
and
this
restates
some
of
the
language
in
the
Constitution
as
well.
A
municipality
which
adopts
a
charter
May
exercise
all
legislative
powers
and
perform
all
functions,
not
expressly
denied
Charter
municipalities
by
General
law
or
Charter.
L
Again,
a
liberal
construction
shall
be
given
to
the
powers
of
municipalities
provide
for
maximum
local
self-government,
so
I
I
think
again
the
Notions
of
self-government
and
again
not
needing
to
look
to
positive
legislative
acts
in
order
to
find
the
authority
to
legislate
in
any
areas
where
there
is
not
a
general
law
that
would
bye
so
New
Mexico
courts
have
discussed
some
boundaries
for
home
rule
municipalities.
L
This
is
a
case.
One
I
think
the
first
case
that
was
interpreting
the
the
Charter
Act
that
we
or
actually
the
charter
provision
in
the
Constitution
Apodaca
versus
Wilson,
and
just
as
by
way
of
background
in
Apodaca
versus
Wilson,
individual
citizens.
Taxpayer
group
in
Albuquerque
actually
brought
an
action
to
enjoin
the
city
from
increasing
sewer
and
water
rates
and
from
transferring
those
surpluses
or
the
money
that
they'd
be
receiving
from
this
The
increased
sewer
and
water
rates
to
the
general
fund
of
the
municipality.
L
L
Home
rule
Charters
have
been
applied
to
districting
in
Gallup
in
this
case
that
I'm,
quoting
from
here,
was
called
casus
versus
the
city
of
Gallup.
They
were
considering
a
charter
to
allow
a
charter
amendment
to
allow
at-large
members,
basically-
and
so
in
this
case,
from
this
very
expansive
language
that
the
Supreme
Court
had
just
articulated.
We
find
all
of
a
sudden
the
courts,
reading
conflicts
with
general
laws
and
finding
that
those
conflicts
basically
preempt
the
attempt
to
legislate
in
this
area.
L
Let
me
just
read
from
this
these
two
paragraphs
that
I've
I've,
provided
here.
We
we
cannot
take
gallup's
position.
The
New,
Mexico
Constitution,
Article,
10,
section
6D,
allows
the
municipality
to
disregard
and
express
law
of
the
legislature
unless
the
law
specifically
States
and
no
municipality,
may
do
otherwise.
So
Gallup
had
argued
that
there
had
been
no
Express
prohibition
against
at-large
members
representing
people,
and
so
therefore
it
was
a
gap
in
the
legislation
that
Gallup
was
free
to
legislate
in
and
propose
a
charter
amendment
that
would
allow
undistricted
members.
L
Therefore,
any
New
Mexico
law
that
clearly
intends
to
preempt
a
governmental
area
should
be
sufficient,
without
necessarily
stating
that
effective
municipalities
must
comply
and
cannot
operate
to
the
contrary.
We
conclude
that
section
3-12-1.1,
which
is
a
provision
that
requires
well.
Let
me
just
read
on
sufficiently
expresses
the
intent
of
the
legislature
to
mandate
that
all
municipalities
with
a
population
over
10
000
require
their
candidates
for
city
council
to
reside
in
and
be
elected
from
single
member
districts.
L
Accordingly,
we
hold
the
new
nmsa
section:
3-12-1.1
invalidates
gallup's
home
rule
election
Charter
that
allows
at-large
elections
for
City
councilors.
All
of
a
sudden.
From
this
very
broad
language,
we
find
and
implied
conflict
that
the
court
said
this
General
law
of
applicability
was
intended
to,
even
though
it
doesn't
clearly
ex
stated,
preempt
gallup's
home
rule
regulation
of
this
area,
which
proposed
again
for
at-large
members,
home
rule,
has
been
applied
to
term
limits.
So
the
City
of
Albuquerque
wanted
to
limit
the
terms
of
its
counselors.
L
Again,
there
was
an
apparent
Gap
in
the
legislation
and
Albuquerque
sought
to
fill
that
Gap.
With
with
what
it
thought
would
be
a
way
to
prevent
incumbents
from
continually
running
and
being
reelected,
here's
a
quote
from
the
court
of
appeals.
The
issue
in
this
case
is
whether
the
New
Mexico
Constitution
grants
the
City
of
Albuquerque
operating
as
a
home
rule
municipality,
the
power
to
amend
its
Charter
to
limit
the
term
of
its
City
councilors
Note.
L
To
no
more
than
two
elected
terms,
we
hold
that
the
qualifications
Clause
article
7
section
2
of
the
New
Mexico
Constitution
preempts,
a
home
rule
of
municipality's
power
to
adopt
additional
qualifications
for
elected
office
within
the
state
Beyond
those
set
forth
in
our
constitution.
In
this
case
the
the
New
Mexico
constitutional
provision,
article
10
section
6
that
I
had
started
this
presentation
with
did
say
that
no
charger
could
conflict
with
the
Constitution
and
so
I
think
that
this
is
more
more
squarely.
Clearly
a
conflict.
L
It
is
interesting
that
they
read
the
qualifications
Clauses
preempting
it
in
this
case.
Qualifications
came
up
later
on
in
another
Albuquerque
case.
Later
on
that
maybe
we'll
talk
about
now,
here's
here's
a
success
story.
This
was
the
city
of
Santa
Fe,
basically
enacted,
not
a
charter
Amendment,
but
in
this
case
legislation
mandating
a
minimum
wage
higher
than
the
state's
minimum
wage.
L
I'll
just
read
a
little
bit
from
here
in
passing
the
minimum
wage
act.
The
legislature
allowed
any
existing
local
minimum
wage
ordinances
that
were
more
favorable
to
employees
to
stay
in
effect.
Plaintiffs
contend
that
by
reading
this
section,
together
with
a
policy
that
the
minimum
wage
act
applies
to
all
workers,
then
it
is
clear
that
the
legislature
intended
that
no
other
governmental
entities
adopt
their
own
wage
laws.
Plaintiffs
contend.
These
sections
are
tantamount
to
an
expressed
denial
of
Municipal
Authority.
We
do
not
agree
that
any
preemption
is
suggested
by
these
two
sections.
L
We
conclude
that
Municipal
Power
to
set
a
minimum
wage
higher
than
that
of
the
minimum
wage
Act
is
not
expressly
denied
by
General
law
within
the
meaning
of
the
home
rule
Amendment.
So
this
shows
that
challenges
can
also
occur,
not
just
in
Charter
forms
but
in
any
act
any
legislative
action
by
a
charter
municipality-
and
this
is
one
of
those
later
successes.
L
The
city
had
another
one
that
all
I'll
highlight
here:
the
regulation
of
domestic
Wells,
so
in
New
Mexico
anyone
can
any
person
can
obtain
a
domestic
well
and
the
state
engineer
has
no
discretion
to
deny
them,
and
this
meant
there
would
be.
There
have
been
in
some
communities
of
proliferation
of
domestic
Wells
and
their
unregulated
growth
has
posed
some
problems
to
water
suppliers.
L
So
the
city
I
think
somewhat
to
its
credit,
decided
to
again
look
at
this
Gap
in
state
legislation
and
they
attempted
to
further
constrain
any
person
who
wanted
to
have
a
domestic
well
in
the
city
limits
such
that
if
they
were
within
a
certain
radius
of
a
distribution
line,
they
would
be
required
to
instead
seek
water
service
from
the
city
unless
it
was
prohibitively
expensive
this
case.
L
Basically,
this
was
a
a
pair
of
cases
challenging
by
two
different
applicants
challenged
the
city's
regulation
of
domestic
Wells,
and
then
it
was
further
Complicated
by
the
fact
that,
while
these
cases
were
pending
on
appeal,
the
legislature
passed
another
statute
that
expressly
authorized
municipalities
to
further
regulate
domestic
Wells
within
the
city
limits
so
I,
rather
than
just
read
this
whole
provision.
L
In
this
case
again,
it
was
legislation
and
not
a
charter
Amendment,
but
I
think
the
lesson
is
still
apt
which
is
I
would
I
would
just
recommend
that
we
need
to
examine
whether
there
is
a
general
law
of
applicability
in
any
particular
area
that
this
commission
recommends
making
Charter
amendments
and
then
examining
if
there
is
an
intent
by
the
legislature
to
preempt
or
or
basically
regulate
occupy
the
field
in
that
area.
Such
that
local
regulation
would
be
displaced,
and
this
again
Can
Happen
by
implication
or
by
clear
statements
in
the
legislation
itself.
L
So
here
are
a
few
examples
from
Santa
based
Charter,
and
this
is
my
last
slide,
so
I
won't
take
any
more
time
and
I
think
these
are
just
a
few
interesting
examples.
There
are
many
more
and
they
they
I
think
identify
gaps
that
the
city
saw
and
consult
to
remedy
or
fill
and
can
2.01.
We
have
the
code
of
ethics,
and
this
is
very.
This
is
my
paraphrasing.
The
city
has
a
code
of
ethics
that
is
more
specific
than
the
governmental
conduct
act.
We
have
added
more
particularity
to
what
constitutes
conflicts.
L
L
We
can
self-impose
tighter
restrictions
and
that's
what
the
city's
done.
I
guess,
the
next
one
I
would
look
at
is
section
4.05
is
called
for
public
campaign,
financing
and
I.
Think
the
city
of
Santa
Fe
was
the
first
city
to
do
that
as
well.
The
city
provides
candidates
who
obtain
sufficient
small
qualifying
contributions,
public
financing
for
counselors
the
mayor
and
the
municipal
judge,
section
4.06
I
mentioned
this
earlier
ranked
Choice
voting,
and
this
goes
to
again
the
manner
of
Elections
provision
in
the
municipal
Charter
Act.
The
city
adopted
ranked
Choice
voting.
L
This
was
actually
adopted,
I
think
in
2008.
implementation
took
a
long
time.
There
was
some
unusual
language
in
the
charter
that
said
that
the
city
could
wait
until
it
basically
became
economically
feasible
to
have
ranked
Choice
voting
and
because
there's
an
interplay
between
the
cities,
conduct
of
Elections
and
the
County's
conduct
of
Elections
such
that
we
had
to
wait
until
the
Santa
Fe
county
had
acquired
machines
with
the
software
that
could
they
could
manipulate
and
tally
ranked
Choice
voting.
L
So
after
some
hiccups,
this
the
2018
election
was
the
first
to
employ
ranked
Choice
voting
in
Santa,
Fe
and
New
Mexico
and
then
finally
I
just
look
at
5.01
the
mayor.
This
there's
actually
a
list
of
sort
of
powers
and
duties
that
the
mayor
has,
but
this
provision
existed
earlier,
but
in
I
think
it
was
2014
yeah
in
2014.
The
voters
adopted
changes
to
this
provision,
transformed
our
mayor
from
a
part-time
mayor
into
a
full-time
or
strong
mayor
and
added
other
other
Provisions
in
the
charter.
A
Don't
know
how
you
want
to
thank
you,
Marcos.
That
was
really
helpful
and
even
answered
one
of
our
questions.
That's
in
the
resolution
about
an
at
large
counselor
I
think
so
we'll
we'll
look
at
it
in
more
detail,
but
that
was
very
helpful
background
to
see
how
we
fit
with
the
Constitution
and
state
law
and
how
it
really
I
think
with
some
of
the
issues
that
we'll
be
considering,
you
do
have
to
do
that
kind
of
analysis
that
you
talked
about.
A
A
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
We
get
this
up
here.
There
we
go
so
as
as
I'm
sure
you
all
know
in
your
binder,
as
well
as
what
was
sent
out.
We
have
the
resolution
that
was
adopted
by
the
governing
body.
B
It
has
10
nine
specific
areas
for
the
commission
to
look
at
over
the
next
five
or
so
months.
Six
months
and
I
won't
go
through
all
of
them,
but
they
are
all
listed
there.
These
were
suggestions
adopted
by
the
governing
body.
The
last
one
listed
here
is
item
J,
which
are
ideas
suggested
by
Commissioners,
which
are
yourselves,
of
course,
or
members
of
the
committee
community.
B
So
I'm
just
going
to
go
through
the
pros
the
sort
of
the
road
ahead,
as
as
you
will
for
the
commission
here,
a
little
bit
of
background
and
Marcus
covered
a
little
bit
about
this.
The
municipal
Charter
calls
for
a
charter
review
commission
to
be
appointed
as
needed,
but
not
less
frequently
than
every
10
years.
B
As
a
chair,
long
noted
and
commissioner
Ives
the
last
one
was
10
years
ago,
exactly
in
2012
and
2013.,
and
those
amendments
that
were
recommended
by
the
charter
and
put
to
the
governing
body
for
approval
were
put
before
the
voters
of
the
March
2014
regular
municipal
election
I
mean.
B
I
put
the
local
election
act
on
here
only
because
it
relates
to
the
timing
of
our
elections.
The
city
opted
into
the
local
election
act,
which
is
a
state
in
State
Statute,
which
moved
our
elections
to
the
November
of
odd
number
years,
moving
it
backwards,
four
months
from
March
of
even
numbered
years.
So
I
only
put
that
in
here,
because
it
changes
the
timeline
from
the
previous
Charter
Commission
of
of
when
the
voters
will
approve
those
any
amendments
to
the
Charter
recommended
by
the
governing
body.
B
B
So
if
they're,
certain
ideas
that
come
up
either
from
yourselves
or
the
members
of
the
public
or
items
that
are
listed
specifically
in
the
resolution,
that
need
more
research
as
to
legality
or
compliance
with
State
Statute
and
the
home
rule
a
lot
of
them,
that's
what
the
subcommittees
could
be
used
for
and
then
finally,
the
commission
will
vote
on
a
final
report
providing
recommendations
on
amendments,
the
charter
to
the
governing
body
and
according
to
the
resolution,
or
a
percentage
of
the
resolution,
the
deadline
to
submit
your
final
report
is
May
10th
of
next
year's
2023.
B
And
then,
lastly,
2020
May
10th
next
year
is
when
the
report
is
due
to
the
governing
body,
then
the
governing
body
May
adopt
resolutions
regarding
the
recommended
amendments
to
the
Charter
to
be
included
on
the
ballot
for
November.
B
B
Pursuant
to
that
offend
me,
any
amendments.
The
city
code
are
required
to
implement
any
of
these
amendments
to
Charter.
The
governing
body
will
then
take
access
action
subsequent
to
the
election
to
implement
those
in
city
code,
and
that
is
all
I
have
questions.
A
A
L
A
I
thought
it
would
be
helpful
when
I
was
discussing
this
with
Jesse
and
with
Aaron
that
for
everyone
to
have
a
set
meeting
time
each
month.
So
if
it's
the
second
Tuesday
or
the
the
last
Thursday
that
at
least
you
could
count
on
it
and
get
it
on
your
calendar,
and
so
we
need
to
hear
from
you
all
if
there
is
a
date
that
works
for
you,
but
also,
unless
we're
going
completely
virtually,
then
we
need
to
have
a
space
for
the
meeting,
so
I
think
those
two
kind
of
go
hand
in
hand.
A
Another
consideration
that
that
we
discussed
when
I
talked
to
Aaron
and
Jesse
about
it
was
what's
the
best
way,
because
we
want
the
community
to
be
involved.
We
want
to
hear
from
the
public
and
when
we
last
did
this
counselor
I
should
probably
remember.
We
I
think
we
did
some
meetings
out
in
the
community.
A
If
we're
going
to
have
people
attend
at
all,
virtually
we
just
can't
do
it
that
way
anymore
and
then
I
also
heard
from
the
city
that
I
was
thinking.
Well,
the
Public's
going
to
want
to
come,
see
us
and
want
to
present
in
person,
but
that's
not
really
so
much
the
case
anymore.
I,
don't
think
I
think
you
may
get
more
participation
if
someone
can
stay
home
with
their
kids
that
evening
or
because
they
don't
want
to
be
out
in
the
public
setting
and
they
could
participate
virtually.
A
So
those
are
all
considerations
for
us,
I,
think
in
in
setting
our
meetings
and
and
setting
future
meeting
dates
in
terms
of
in-person
meetings
here,
if
we're
doing
all
in
person
or
a
hybrid
Jesse,
are
there
what
are
the
restrictions
in
terms
of
availability?
I,
know,
city
council
nights
would
be
off
unless
this
commission
decides
you
want
to
meet
during
the
day.
I
assume
that
would
be
problematic
for
for
people,
but
but
maybe
not
so.
Let's,
let's
hear
what
evenings
might
be
available
evenings
I'm
saying
you
know
four
or
five
o'clock.
B
Thank
you,
chair
long.
There,
a
lot
of
December
is
booked
up
in
this
in
the
council
chambers
I
talked
to
the
clerk's
office
because
they're
the
ones
that
schedule
in
here
HR
has
a
lot
of
trainings
and
so
they're
they're,
really
only
three
days
that
work
in
December
for
for
being
in
council
chambers.
The
first
is
Tuesday
December
13th
from
3
to
5
P.M.
B
A
B
For
for
December,
that's
that's
true!
It's
it's
really
booked
up
with
with
both
meetings
and
also
use
by
other
City
organizations
in
terms
of
a
regular
meeting,
starting
in
in
2023
right
now.
The
second
and
last
Thursdays
of
the
month
are
available
and
we
can
look
at
the
times,
I
believe
after
five
o'clock
is
available
for
those
dates.
B
J
Oh
I,
all
all
of
us
have
been
thinking
about
this
and
fortunately
the
midterm
elections
are
behind
us
and
so
the
calendar
suddenly
cleared.
So
that
was
a
big
deal.
J
I
I'm
wondering
those
of
you
who
have
done
this
before
did
Mo
did
monthly
meetings
suffice
to
get
the
work
done
if
we,
if
we
meet
only
monthly,
that
gives
us
five
meetings
and,
on
the
one
hand,
as
you
said,
May
seems
like
it's
so
far
away.
Five
meetings
seems
minuscule
to
me.
A
A
E
H
Thank
you,
chair,
I'm,
wondering
about.
H
Holding
Community
meetings
also
outside
of
our
meetings.
That
would
have
public
comment
like
having
actual
you
know
like
listening
sessions
or
whatever
in
the
community.
On
top
of
that,
would
that
be
something
that
that
would
fall
to
the
purview
of
a
of
a
subcommittee
or
how?
How
has
that
been
done
in
the
past.
A
A
I
don't
know
if
that
could
be
done.
As
a
committee,
an
Outreach,
an
Outreach
committee
could
certainly
come
up
with
ideas
for
How
We,
Do
It.
H
A
I
Madam
chair
Aaron:
did
you
say
that
subcommittee
meetings
didn't
necessarily
need
to
follow
the
public
meeting
act?
So
if
it's
a
smaller
group,
then
that
wouldn't
necessarily
be
a
set
meeting.
So
maybe
we
wouldn't
need
to
consider
that,
in
terms
of
setting
the
calendar
correct.
K
Mature
women
long
commissioner
Amador
Guzman,
if
it
is
a
less
than
majority
member
subcommittee,
absolutely
yes,
so
four
or
fewer
of
you!
Yes,.
A
D
F
You,
madam
chair
well
as
I
believe
Jesse
was
pointing
out
Second
and
last
Thursdays
at
5.
Pm
are
a
possibility
that
would
have
the
advantage
also
of
giving
us
an
extra
meeting,
because
the
first,
oh,
no
I'm,
sorry
yeah.
First.
Third,
no
I
was
hoping
we
could
squeeze
one
in
in
May,
but
I
was
looking
at
Tuesday,
not
Thursday.
F
You
know.
If
we
set
those
as
regular
meetings,
then
we'll
have
10
effectively.
December
is,
in
my
experience,
doing
anything
at
City.
Hall
is
kinda
hit
or
miss
just
because
of
the
Season.
So
that
might
be
a
nice
approach
to
have
formal
meetings
of
this
body
and
that
I
agree
subcommittees
being
assigned
to
tackle.
Particular
topics
could
leverage
again
that
capacity
to.
A
F
E
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
I
agree
with
that
process.
I
think
it
would
make
sense
to
set
our
December
meeting
and
then
Reserve,
Tuesday
and
Thursdays,
and
if
we
find
we
don't
need
a
meeting
that
could
be
evaluated
but
at
least
we're
on
calendar
at.
A
H
That
sounds
like
a
good
process
to
me,
and
I
would
also
love
it.
If
we
could
that
schedule,
the
two
standing
meetings
for
December,
even
if
they're
only.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
think
the
idea
to
have
set
meetings
twice
a
month
or
maybe
in
person
makes
a
lot
of
sense
if
it
helps.
G
A
B
G
G
So
I
like
that
idea,
and
that's
not
that
many
meetings
but
I
I,
think
scheduling
the
first
one
that
we
can
in
December
on
the
13th,
because
the
closer
we
get
to
the
end
of
the
month,
the
more
complicated
life
gets.
So
I
would
suggest
that
we
schedule
that
one
December
13th
from
three
to
five
and
and
go
from
there,
and
then
we
start
with
the
second
Thursday
of
January
and
the
last
Thursday
of
January
at
5,
pm
and
I.
F
F
Had
an
additional
thought,
which
was
just
to
check
on
the
possibility
of
whether
May,
8th
or
9th,
might
be
available
here,
which
would
be
the
Monday
or
Tuesday
before
Wednesday
May
the
10th,
and
that
would
give
us
an
opportunity,
presumably
to
have.
C
K
A
K
If
the
commission
wanted
its
report
to
be
included
in
the
agenda
packet,
we
would
need
to
have
it
uploaded
on
the
fifth,
but
if
it
were,
if
we
maybe
just
have
you
scheduled
for
a
presentation
on
the
10th,
then
you
could
vote
on
it
and
then
bring
it
with
you
I
suppose
and
present
on
it.
That
way,
so,
just
in
terms
of
timing,
materials
are
often
posted
the
Friday
before
for
a
presentation
that
is
not
required.
K
So
you
could,
you
could
still
bring
more
materials
if
you
had
them
ready
that
the
day
of
the
10th,
if
that's
and
and
I,
don't
know
that
we
need
the
requirement.
Is
that
it's
submitted?
But
if
you
also
wanted
to
present
as
soon
as
possible,
then
that
would
be
the
10th.
That
would
be
the
governing
body
meeting.
K
Sure
women
long
I
would
guess
so
yeah
I
think
that
would
and
or
if
you
needed
more
time
to
present
the
thing
is
I
think
they
would
want
to
try
to
start
introducing
legislation
as
soon
as
possible.
So
the
earlier
they
hear
what
the
recommendations
are
or
have
access
to
them,
the
earlier
they
can
start
pursuing
the
legislation
that
will
be
needed,
which
does
take
generally
at
least
a
month
from
introduction
to
Passage.
K
F
F
I
was
going
to
say
it
would
be
really
helpful
to
have
a
schedule
back
from
the
election,
because
Charter
amendments
will
have
to
be
we'll
have
to
go
out
in
ample
time.
So
that
would
I
think
be
really
helpful
for.
A
A
A
C
Yeah,
this
is
Alba
blondes
I
have
a
conflict
with
the
Housing
Trust
board
on
December
the
13th
at
from
three
to
five
p.m,
and
I
might
say,
while
I
have
the
floor,
that
hybrid
meetings
for
situations
just
like
this
might
work
the
best.
A
C
I
would
prefer
a
different
day
simply
because
it
like
I
said
I'm,
not
real,
clear
I
can
check.
I
would
have
to
check
with
the
president
of
the
Housing
Trust
to
see
what
that
times
frame
is
actually
going
to
be.
Currently
I
have
three
to
five,
but
it
could
extend.
C
So
that's
not
my
best
day
right.
Thursdays
are
fine.
G
D
Yes,
ma'am,
forgive
me.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
think
that
the
15th
would
work
well
for
me
as
well
and
I.
Second,
the
idea
for
the
January
meetings
to
go
back
week
after
weeks,
just
so
that
we
can
get
a
stronghold
on
where
we
want
to
go
from
there.
A
K
G
A
A
C
I
Madam
chair
just
thinking
about
meeting
in
the
community
I
I
just
wanted
to
take
a
pause
to
to
check
on
the
other
locations
that
you
said
could
be
hybrid
just
so
that
before
we
start
scheduling
here,
we'd
probably
need
to
know
what
the
schedule
is
for
those
public
settings
that
have
the
same
setup.
B
Right
now,
the
only
one
that
I'm
aware
of
that
can
accommodate
this.
This
hybrid
meeting,
where
we
have
some
people
on
zoom
and
some
in
person,
is
at
Market
station.
They
have
a
different
device
that
allows
that,
but
that's
right
now,
that's
the
only
one
that
can
can
accommodate
this
hybrid,
hybrid
version.
If
we
want
to
do
fully
in
the
person
for
a
meeting
or
or
two,
we
could
go
to
different
locations
like
the
South,
Side,
Library
or
or
else,
but
if.
A
Well,
we
can
take
our
meetings
to
those
other
places
and
still
keep
the
same
date.
Hopefully,
if
not,
we
can
move
it,
but
I
think
this
gets
us
at
least
started.
A
A
Thank
you.
That's
not
an
easy
task
to
find
when
everyone
can
meet.
So
that
brings
us
to
our
agenda
items
for
December,
because
we
will
have
a
December
meeting.
K
Along
I
would
like
to
just
make
a
I
guess,
discuss
a
little
bit
on
the
virtual
options
and
what
would
be
required
in
the
future.
If
you
would
like
to
do
that.
Yes-
and
we
did
include
the
resolution
that
modified
to
some
extent
the
rules
for
committees
on
that
point
in
your
agenda
materials
and
so
that,
basically,
if
the
commission
wishes
to
meet
100
virtual
for
any
meetings,
we'll
need
to
put
an
agenda
item
on
a
meeting
that
happens
before
that.
K
Taking
a
vote
to
do
that
and
it
could
be
for
a
specific
meeting
or
it
could
be
for
a
specific
series
of
meetings.
But
we
just
need
to
have
that
on
the
record,
and
the
vote
has
to
be
that
that
it
would
be
in
the
best
interest
of
the
public
to
hold
a
100
virtual
meeting
regardless,
if
it's
difficult
or
impossible
for
the
members
to
participate.
So
it
would
just
be
a
decision
that
we
want
to
make
it
entirely
accessible
online.
K
If
we're
able
to
do
hybrid,
there
might
not
be
as
much
of
a
basis
for
that
I
mean
some
of
the
Committees
that
have
decided
to
do
that.
Do
not
have
access
to
the
council
chambers
and
they
want
their
membership
to
be
able
to
join
virtually
such
as
the
mayor's
committee
on
disabilities,
our
disability
and
some
other
committees.
That
would
like
folks
to
be
able
to
join
from
their
homes
and
not
have
to
travel
to
attend
a
meeting.
So
that's
something
to
just
consider
if
you
would
like
to
do
that.
A
K
B
Madam
chair,
commissioner
blundis
has
her
hand
up
I,
don't
know
if
that's
old
or
a
new
one.
C
Or
the
motion
that
just
was
passed,
some
clarification
am
I
to
understand
that
the
second
and
fourth
Thursdays
will
be
hybrid
and
held
in
Council.
That
wasn't
clear.
C
A
A
F
You,
madam
chair
I,
think
it
would
be
a
great
meeting
to
try
and
figure
out
what
committees
we
want
to
have
dealing
with
particular
topic
areas.
So
they
can
get
started
right
away
and
I
think
you
know
if
there's
any
priority
between
the
10
items
that
have
been
identified
by
city
council,
for
the
commission
to
focus
on
you
know
that
should
be
I
would
think
the
main
topic.
A
G
Madam,
chair,
I'm,
curious,
there's
a
lot
of
items
on
there
I'm,
not
sure
all
that
it
would
take
to
thoroughly
review
and
come
to
some
recommendations
on
each
of
them.
And
my
question
is:
are
we
planning
on
addressing
every
single
one
of
those,
because
that's
what
we're
being
asked
to
do
and
is
there
a
priority
order?
G
Do
we
have
any
guidance
in
terms
of
how
we
attack
this,
or
do
we
simply
just
start
with
with
a
b
and
go
down
the
row
and
see
who's
interested
in
what
and
and
then
City
staff
gets
assigned
to
us?
How
does
this
work.
A
Those
are
good
questions.
I'll
ask
for
Aaron's
help
on
that.
I.
Don't
know
that
they're
that
these
are
any
in
any
kind
of
priority
order.
A
I
do
think
we
or
the
council
deserves
our
look
at
all
of
them
because
they
asked
us
to
whether
that
is
you
know
five
minutes
or
four
meetings.
We'll
have
to
wait
and
see
what
the
topic
is,
but
I
think
we
do.
We
need
to
get
through
all
of
them
in
one
way
or
another.
G
Okay,
so
Madam
chair
with
the
follow-up,
so
then
I
would
imagine
the
staff
would
give
us
a
small
presentation
on
what
the
issue
is,
what
it
looks
like
now
and
what
options
might
be
for
the
future,
and
then
we
decide
who's
going
to
be
working
on
it
and
how
much
time
we
need
to
put
into
that
is.
That
is:
are
those
presentations
going
to
be
done
three
or
three
at
one
meeting
by
the
staff
or
we're
gonna?
A
A
That
might
be
maybe
a
different
staff
person
depending
on
the
subject
matter,
but
I
think
we're
going
to
need
to
tell
them
what
it
is.
We
want
to
hear
and
then
they'll
tell
us
who
can
do
it
at
staff
or
you
know
if
they
can't
and
then
we
have
to
figure
out
how
to
do
it.
K
And
sure
women
long
as
I
would
add
a
little
bit
I
don't
want
us
to
do
a
huge
preparation
and
presentation
on
something.
Maybe
the
commission
isn't
even
interested
in
recommending-
and
you
already
know
that
so
I
think
maybe
you
know
having
some
basic
level
of
information
at
the
beginning
would
probably
make
sense
in
all
of
them.
But
if
there's,
if
there's
some
of
them,
where
you
already
have
a
general
sense
of
the
commission
which
might
be
possible,
then
we
can
just
stop
there.
K
A
bad
idea
which
is
possible
and
I,
don't
know
if
anything
falls
into
that
category,
but
it's
possible.
It
does
and
I
would
want
to
hear-
and
maybe
you
don't
know
yet
and
that's
possible
too,
but
I
think
we're
gonna
need
a
little
bit
of
a
conversation
on
those
items
right.
E
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission
to
follow
up
in
on
that
issue.
I
mean
I,
agree
with
commissioner
Ives
that
it
will
be
great
to
go
through
these
and
figure
out
which
merits
which,
which
we
need
committees
for
initially
item
I
about
the
human
civil
rights
policy
statement.
I
feel
like
that
would
I
would
benefit
from
hearing
from
you
all
about
what
it
is.
What
if
the
issues
been
what
issues
have
been
raised?
E
How
does
that
work
in
concert
with
the
new
Civil
Rights
Act,
that
New
Mexico
just
passed
or
not,
that
to
me,
would
require
more
information
than
I
think
we'd
have
without
presentations.
So
perhaps
we
could
talk
about
committees,
and
maybe
we
could
I
don't
know
if
December
is
too
quick
to
have
a
presentation
on
on
that
issue,
but
I
think
that
might
require,
at
least
from
my
perspective,
a
lot
of
conversation.
A
I,
don't
know
if
we
could
get
through
all
of
these
items
in
one
meeting
right,
certainly
not
in
much
depth,
but
maybe
we
could
at
least
get
through
what
we
can
and
hear
from
the
Commissioners
as
to
whether
you
think
it
warrants
a
committee,
whether
it's
sort
of
a
non-starter
for
you,
but
I
do
think
we
we
should
get
through
them
and-
and
maybe
we
do
half
of
them
in
December,
or
maybe
we
just
list
all
of
them
and
see
if
we
can
have
a
discussion
about
them
at
least
to
get
started.
H
J
Yes,
I
do
too
and
I
think
the
way
I
would
structure
my
own
thinking
about.
That
would
be
to
to
tease
out
a
few
kind
of
summary
sentences
about
an
initial
reaction,
just
as
one
commissioner,
but
then
what
are
the
open
questions
that
that
I'm
puzzled
about
with
regard
to
that
particular
item
and
keep
both
lists
to
a
bare
minimum
and
then
move
on,
but
I'm
I'm
as
impressed
with
the
things
I
don't
know,
as
I
am
with
the
two
or
three
things
in
life
that
I
do.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
my
note
in
section
three
of
the
resolution.
It
talks
about
duties
and
responsibilities.
It
does
note
at
the
bottom
before
the
list
of
topics
that
the
commission
shall
make
recommendations.
Basically
on
these
items
and
others
that
do
get
raised
earlier.
In
that
same
section,
it
speaks
to
as
well
as
review
amendments
proposed
by
members
of
the
governing
body
and
the
public.
F
It
might
be
good
in
December
to
establish
the
time
frames
for
receiving
that
information
to
make
sure
that
there
is
ample
time
for
the
commission
to
actually
look
at
those
particular
issues
as
part
of
our
charge.
Good.
A
I
think
so
I
think
recommendations
from
this
body
I'm
not
seeing
it
as
as
there's
a
deadline
that
we've
got
to
get
that
on
the
agenda
for
December
or
even
January
I
think
those
can
come
as
we
hear
from
the
public
as
we
get
into
this.
There
may
be
ideas
that
we
come
up
with
that
we
think
would
make
for
for
good
recommendation.
So
I
don't
want
us
to
be
limited
by
any
particular
deadline
on
that.
A
But
I
think
that
is
a
good
point
that
we've
been
instructed
to
make
a
recommendation
on
all
of
them,
and
that
doesn't
mean
that
it
has
to
be
and
the
way
I
look
at
it.
It
just
means
that
we
have
to
have
to
have
considered
it.
It
doesn't
mean
that
we're
going
to
have
five
pages
of
why
we
thought
it
was
a
bad
idea,
but
I
do
think
we
have
to
consider
it.
F
Follow-Up,
it
would
be
wonderful
if
staff
could
provide,
at
least
if
there
is
a
public
engagement
plan
associated
with
this.
A
That
gets
to
our
next
agenda
item
I
think
so
we
will.
We
will
talk
about
that.
I,
don't
think
we
have
a
plan
yet,
but
we're
going
to
talk
about
it,
but
back
to
our
agenda
items
then
I,
like
the
idea
of.
As
you
said,
commissioner,
we
don't
necessarily
need
to
do
a
deep
dive
into
it,
but
just
to
have
a
discussion
about
all
of
these
items.
A
H
So
again
we
for
the
agenda
for
our
December
meeting.
Can
we.
H
We
sort
of
like
top
level
review
of
these
items,
that
the
learning
body
has
asked
us
to
look
at
and
then
discuss
committee
instructor,
I,
don't
know
what
else
other
Commissioners
think
we
should
have
on
our
agenda
for
next
next
month.
A
G
A
G
A
A
Okay
I
agree
and
if
I'm
reading
this
Aaron
it's
City,
councilors
may
also
come
to
us
during
this
process
with.
K
Chairwoman
long
any
anyone
from
the
city
really
so
it
could
be,
maybe
elected
officials.
It
could
be
other
folks
who
work
at
the
city
but
come
in
their.
You
know
their
time
as
an
individual.
K
Right
and
in
terms
of
the
motivations
behind
them
I,
don't
necessarily
have
that
those
weren't
required
to
be
disclosed.
There
were
a
number
of
sponsors
for
the
legislation,
but
I
can
certainly
help
I
think
synthesize.
Some
of
the
debate
on
some
of
the
items
most
of
them
weren't
publicly
debated
at
this
point
because
they're
asking
the
government
bodies
asking
for
consideration
of
them,
but
they
didn't
necessarily
need
to
say
if
you
know
they
thought
or
did
or
didn't
need
to
be
a
change.
K
Some
of
these
ideas
came
from
the
prior
resolution
that
created
the
prior
commission
and
a
few
are
different.
We
could
identify
those.
We
could
also
identify
I
think
what
the
you
know.
Existing
law
is
and
anything
we
know
about
that
at
this
point,
so
it
you
know
the
information
that
we
already
have.
Certainly
we
could
provide
yeah.
We.
G
Madam,
just
in
regards
to
call
out
to
the
public
and
and
what
Aaron
just
mentioned,
that
City
councilors
other
individuals
could
come
and
present
stuff
to
us.
Are
we
going
to
have
an
item
on
our
agenda
at
every
meeting
that
that
allows
for
that?
Yes,
okay,
we.
A
G
A
K
Sure
chairwoman,
long
Commissioners,
I
think
one
of
the
nuances
I
wanted
to
just
bring
to
everyone's
attention
about
public
comment
is
there's
a
few
different
ways.
We
can
do
it
and
we
might
want
to
evolve
that
as
we
go
through
the
process
this
year.
One
way
would
just
be
to
have
a
section
for
public
to
give
comment,
and
you
know
people
line
up
and
they
could
be
about
any
topic
related
to
commission
business
once
you
maybe
have
identified
a
specific
proposal.
K
K
So
if
you
want
to
have
a
what
would
be
more
considered
a
discussion
like
a
back
and
forth
conversation
about
an
item,
then
I
would
want
us
to
have
it
on
the
agenda
and
we
might
want
to
put
a
public
comments
specifically
about
that
item,
but
that
might
not
be
where
we
start.
We
might
just
start
with
an
open,
Forum
option,
but
the
limitation
of
that
is
that
if,
if
the
topic
is
something
that's
not
on
the
agenda
for
that
time,
the
commission
can't
start
to
have
a
conversation
with
that
member
of
the
public.
K
So
those
are
just
kind
of
the
two
categories
I
see
in
terms
of
public
comment
during
a
meeting.
It
would
either
be
public
comment
assigned
to
a
particular
topic,
that's
already
on
the
agenda,
and
then
you
can
say
like
oh
common
cause
or
legal
Women
Voters.
You
mentioned
something
earlier,
and
that
way
you
could
actually
have
it
engage
in
a
conversation
on
that
topic.
But
if,
but
conversely,
if
it's
just
an
open
Forum
that
conversation
can't
really
happen,
we'd
have
to
bring
it
back,
which
we
could
do.
We
could
bring
it
back
later.
K
We
could
absolutely
put
it
on
a
future
agenda
if
it's
something
that
wasn't
already
on
your
future
agendas,
you
could,
you
could
add
it,
but
then
I
also
I
am
absolutely
interested
in
hearing
from
the
commission
about
how
you
want
us
to
start
looking
into
what.
How
can
we
engage
the
public?
What
things
do
you
want
us
to?
Maybe
look
into
that?
We
could
report
back
next
time
about
what
options
we
have
available
to
us.
K
H
Interesting,
thank
you
madam
chair.
I
am
I
mean
public
engagements
of
Engagement
is
really
interesting
and
important
with
me,
as
a
commissioner
being
here
with
you
today
and
I
would
love
to
learn
what
our
the
possibilities
are
or
what
the
limitations
are
in
terms
of
holding
listening
sessions
out
in
the
community
or
working
with
different
Community
based
organizations
to.
L
H
K
In
terms
of
legal
limitations,
I
don't
think
we
have
many
in
terms
of
what
we
can
do
in
terms
of
engaging
the
public.
We
can
definitely
ask
for
feedback,
I
would
say
the
survey
limitations
would
probably
be
just
funding
and
having
it
be
professionally
done.
We
don't
have
someone
on
the
city
team
as
far
as
I'm
aware
who's
trained
in
putting
together
something
that's
statistically
sound.
K
K
So
that
would
be
I.
Guess
a
question
is
what
the
scope
of
that
would
be,
so
we'd
have
to
be
able
to
look
into
the
feasibility,
so
that
would
be
a
a
type
of
limitation
or
guardrail
would
just
be
whether
it's
feasible
in
terms
of
the
breadth
of
the
interest.
G
To
get
started,
I
I
was
have
the
opportunity
to
sit
on
the
independent
redistricting
commission
this
year
and
one
of
the
things
we
did
right
off.
The
bat
is
I
wrote
a
letter
to
the
editor
about
the
commission
of
what
we
were
doing.
Inviting
input
of
the
our
chair
could
do
and
so
desired.
It's
a.
G
And
then
the
other
thing
I
did
is
I
called
the
the
new
Mexican
and
had
one
of
the
reporters
talk
to
me
and
I
sent
them
a
little
fact
sheet,
and
then
she
wrote
information
about
an
article
on
it
and
then
I
also
got
in
touch
with
Richard
eats
on
the
radio
show
show
and-
and
he
briefly
interviewed
me-
didn't-
cost
a
penny.
None
of
those
things
got
those
right
off
the
bat
I,
don't
know
how
much
the
community
saw
of
them,
but
that's
a
start
that
those.
A
J
I
may
it
does
occur
to
me
that
there
may
be
another
guard
rail
that
we
haven't
mentioned,
and
that
is
that
some
matters
of
huge
importance
to
citizens
in
the
city
may
not
be
appropriate
matters
for
for
a
charter,
yeah
right
and
so
getting
some
common
public
understanding
of.
J
What's
in
this
task,
and
what's
not,
if
there's
a
way
of
putting
that
in
simple,
simple
language,
so
that
people
can
grasp
it,
I
wonder
if
that
wouldn't
help
us
going
Downstream
you
some
of
you
have
been
through
this
before
I
haven't,
but
I
know
from
my
neighbors
that
when
we
talk
about
City
business,
it's
a
potluck
and
people
will
talk
about
things
that
are
not
pertinent
to
the
context.
J
A
G
Your
letter
and
to
the
editor
or
the
article
in
newspaper,
can
set
those
parameters
and
those
boundaries
and
say
these
are
the
errors.
These
are
the
topics.
These
are
the
four
whatever
and
and
that
way
that
being
out
there,
we
all
couldn't
be
sharing
that
same
information
to
those
people
that
we
talk
to
in
the
city
so
that
they
know
what
it
is.
We're.
G
Looking
at
that
at
our
independent
redistricting
commission
meetings,
we
did
have
people
come
up
with
issues
like,
for
example,
the
first
issue
we
have
on
here
regarding
districts
of
counselors
well,
during
public
comment,
they
came
to
talk
to
us
about
that
in
terms
of
adding
more
districts
which
is
not
within
the
purview
of
that
particular
committee,
and
our
attorneys
clearly
explain
to
them
that
you
know
this
organization
doesn't
do
that.
So
in
the
meetings,
our
attorneys
will
help
us
to
to
guide
the
direction
and
outline
what
is
fair
and
what
is.
I
G
C
Yes,
Madam
chair.
Thank
you
in
relation
to
Mr
Dyrdek's
comment
about
potlucks
and
and
wandering
discussion.
One
thing
I
think
even
the
redistricting
committee
may
have
done
if,
for
example,
you're
using
South
Side
Library,
the
10
are
the
actually
nine
issues
that
should
be
considered
and
we
need
public
input,
whichever
ones
actually
need
that.
If,
if
that's
the
case,
at
any
rate,
you
could,
in
a
public
session,
have
posted
those
nine
issues
and
hand
out
little
stick.
It's
stick.
C
It
note
squares
to
the
public
who
attend
and
they
can
make
their
comments
related
to
those
in
a
expeditious
manner.
I've
seen
that
done
in
many
different
public
input.
Instances
where
the
public
just
writes
it
down
goes
to
the
proper
board
and
and
post
it.
At
that
point,
we
did.
That
was
a
public
school
exercise
that
I
was
a
part
of.
So
that's
an
idea
of
how
to
maybe
narrow
or
put
parameters
on
discussion,
because
it
would
be
just
simply
posting
your
idea.
K
Comment:
that's
two
women
long
Commissioners,
something
that
Prime
gov,
which
is
our
platform
that
we
post
agendas
on
now
has
the
capacity
for
that
is
just
good
to
be
aware
of,
is
for
a
written
comment
to
be
submitted
on
topics,
and
we
could
also
set
up
other
forms
for
that.
If
the
commission's
interested
in
that
either
in
person
during
a
meeting,
as
was
just
suggested
by
commissioner
blondes
or
other
formats,
that
I
think
could
be
creative
and
we
would
just
document
those
and
include
them
in
the
minutes.
A
K
Long
we
can
make
that
possible.
Yes,
so
we
can
provide
a
deadline
in
the
agenda
itself
as
well
to
make
sure
that
we'd
have
enough
time
to
get
them
to
you.
That's
the
balance.
Jesse
there's
a
certain
timeline.
We
use
right
now
right.
That's
for
Council
committees,.
B
A
I
K
K
I
don't
know
so
there's
there's
nothing
saying
that
public
comment
has
to
happen
during
a
public
meeting.
It
can
happen
really
in
any
format.
You
would
like
it
to
happen.
If
you
wanted
it
documented,
we
would
try
to
find
a
way
to
get
it
documented
in
the
minutes,
but
it
could
happen.
I
mean
they.
The
public
can
contact
you.
K
There
are
circumstances
in
which
some
of
you
may
be
aware
that
the
governing
body
can't
engage
on
certain
issues,
but
most
most
issues.
The
governing
body
can
engage
in
the
public
and
one-on-one
via
email
or
with
their
neighbors
and
everything
else,
and
that's
absolutely
how
you
can
engage
with
the
public
as
well.
K
If
you
would
like
to
certainly
feel
free
to
talk
about
the
topics
that
happen
here
with
members
of
the
public,
there's
no
limitations
on
that
and
I
think
that's
a
good
contrast
to
identify
amongst
yourself
or
more
is
not
allowed,
but
you
with
400
or,
however
many
people
outside
this
room
is
fine
as
long
as
they're,
not
these
people.
This
group
of
people
so
certainly
feel
free
to
discuss
these
issues
with
others
who,
you
think
would
have
great.
E
K
They
don't
have
to
come
to
a
public
meeting
to
talk
to
you
about
their
feedback
and
you
don't
have
to
disclose
their
names.
You
can
talk
to
whoever
you
want
and
and
I
would
say,
I
encourage
that
for
for
sure
talk
to
talk
to
people.
You
know
who
have
great
ideas
about
the
city
government
and
that's
that's
fine,
but
then
also,
if
you
think
they're,
you
know,
good
speakers
or
you
know-
would
have
good
things
to
say
to
the
commission,
encourage
them
to
come
as
well
or
to
write
to
the
whole
commission.
K
They
can
write
to
all
the
Commissioners.
They
can
write
to
the
governing
body
about
these
ideas
too,
because
once
there's
a
recommendation,
the
governing
body
still
has
to
pass
a
resolution
and
support
of
the
idea
in
order
for
it
to
get
on
the
ballot.
A
A
J
J
I'm
sure
to
know
that
something
that
may
be
burning
for
me
or
may
seem
to
be
a
real,
thorny
issue
for
Santa
Fe
and
has
not
moved
off
of
the
dime,
really
isn't
appropriate
for
the
charter
and
solving
that
problem
isn't
going
to
be
solved
here,
never
mind
the
fact
that
it
has
not
yet
made
our
agenda
so
having
that
discussion
of
what
is
a
charter
specifically
and
what
are
the
rails
around
it,
as
opposed
to
other
parts
of
our
civics,
would
be
useful
to
me
in
the
first
couple
of
months
of
the
year,
30
minutes,
20
minutes,
I
I
think
we
would
be
remiss
if
we
don't
cover
that
base.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
You
know
it's
been
a
couple
of
months
since
I
lost
last,
looked
through
the
entire
Charter,
but
I
think
that's
the
best
place
to
begin
that
particular
Focus,
because
it
is
extensive.
It
covers
a
lot
of
ground
and
I
know.
F
One
of
the
thoughts
that's
been
running
through
my
mind
is
what
areas
within
the
charter,
as
it
is
currently
drafted,
perhaps
need
emphasis
need
perhaps
some
reworking
and
many
of
the
questions
posed
by
the
governing
body
to
this
commission
encapsul
those
thoughts,
but
there
are
certainly
others
so
yeah
I
would
hope.
I
intend
to
go
through
it
and
engage
in
that
that
very
process
and
that
actually
I
thought
might
be
a
good
thing
to
ask
of
people
proposing
to
make
recommendations
that
at
least
they
have
some
understanding
of
what's
in
the
charter.
F
Currently,
so
hopefully,
we
can,
as
part
of
the
public
process,
make
that
very
available
to
everybody
for
purposes
of
taking
a
look
at
any
submissions
that
they
want
to
make.
G
Along
those
lines
and
I
was
asking
someone
about
this
before
our
meeting
in
terms
of
Charters
and
models,
perhaps
of
Charters
best
practice,
model
of
a
charter,
and
maybe
one
in
New
Mexico,
maybe
a
model
of
a
charter
in
another
state
that
simply
identifies
the
topic
areas,
because
I
unless
I
had
something
to
compare
ours
with
I
would
not
know
what
is
missing.
G
Of
course,
we
have
to
understand
what
does
belong
in
there
first
before
we
get
started
adding,
but
is
there?
Is
there
a
model
out
there
that
talks
about
these?
This
is
the
state
of
the
art
Charter,
and
these
are
the
kinds
of
things
that
should
be
in
there
and
if
we
had
something
to
compare
ours
with,
that
might
give
us
a
heads
up
as
to
oh
look.
This
area
is
totally
absent,
and
maybe
we
want
to
look
at
that
and
I.
A
K
And
I'm
sure
I'm,
guessing
we're,
probably
going
to
move
to
I,
feel
I
feel
like
we're
getting
a
little
bit
off
topic
because
we're
still
on
public
engagement
and
comment.
I,
don't
want
to
which,
which.
K
K
I
think
one
of
the
problems
we
might
run
into
is
just
agreeing
to
look
into
a
hundred
things
and
that
specific
item
is
not
on
the
agenda,
but
I
think
we
certainly
in
terms
of
what
is
a
charter
that
sounds
like
type
of
thing,
we'll
probably
be
getting
into
I,
so
I
guess
I
would
suggest
we
move
to
Matters
from
the
staff
and
members
members
from
the
committee,
and
we
do
only
have
15
minutes
left
as
well.
A
K
It
I
have
none,
I,
don't
know
if
any.
I
Chair
before
we
move
on
one
other
item
that
I
had
just
flagged
for
myself.
That
I
wanted
to
see
if
staff
could
look
at
was
locations
outside
of
the
two
meeting
areas
that
we
identified
for
public
comment
like
the
public
library
just
getting
schedules,
because
I
think
those
things
also
fill
up.
And
so,
if
we
could
look
at
some
of
those
dates
and
times
for
our
next
meeting
as
well.
Just
given
the
fact
that
we
do
want
to
engage
the
public.
L
F
Had
anybody
else
in
attendance
this
evening,
but
really
enjoyed
the
discussion
and
the
engagement
by
all
of
the
Commissioners
as.
L
A
I
think
so
too,
and
matherson
the
chair,
I,
would
Echo
that
I
thank
everyone
for
their
thoughtful
comments
and
participation
to
get
us
launched
and
I
think
we
we
have
a
good
start,
so
the
next
meeting
we
know
will
be
December
15
at
3
30..
Is
that
right,
everybody
and
that
one
we
will
be
in
person
here,
I!
Think
now
that
we
are
talking
about
two
meetings
a
month.