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C
D
C
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Perez
here.
E
B
Thank
you,
I
apologize
for
not
being
there
today,
but
I
am
having
to
quarantine
just
found
out
this
morning,
so
I
couldn't
attend
an
in
person
and
I
think
the
meeting
will
run
more
smoothly
if
we
can
have
a
chair
that
is
present
in
person
to
run
the
meeting
now.
The
vice
chair
is
also
remote.
Today,
commissioner
Amador
Guzman,
so
I
was
going
to
request
and
I
can
do
this
by
motion
that
commissioner
Ives
chair
this
meeting
for
us.
If
he's
willing
to
do
so.
G
B
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair
pleasure,
again
to
be
here
today
with
everybody
and
our
next
item
of
business.
Now
that
we
have
completed
our
roll
call
and
established
a
quorum
is
the
approval
of
the
agenda.
Are
there
any
changes
from
staff?
There
are
not
no
changes
from
staff.
Any
requested
changes
by
members
of
the
commission
there
being
none
would
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
the
agenda
so
moved.
G
H
C
E
E
G
G
Any
changes
for
members
of
the
commission
there
being
none,
would
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
from
the
November
14th
meeting
still
moved.
G
Agreed
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
the
minutes
from
November
14,
any
further
discussion
there
being
none.
If
we
could
have
a
roll
call
vote.
D
B
G
G
Is
there
anybody
present
here
in
Chambers
that
would
like
to
take
advantage
of
public
comment
and
speak
to
the
commission.
G
The
same
question
for
anybody
online
that
might
wish
to
address
any
public
comments
to
the
commission.
If
there
is
anybody.
C
G
Mr
Oxford
yeah
I,
don't
know
if
you
have
any
comment.
If
you
do,
please
speak
up.
G
I
Thank
you,
chair
Ives.
What
we'd
like
to
do
is,
is
each
of
us
focused
on
some
of
these
and
and
we
all
work
together
to
discuss
all
of
them
and
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
have
each
of
the
staff
members
who
worked
on
particular
topic
present
it
and
then,
if
there's
questions
that
were
able
to
answer
we'd
be
happy
to
do
that
now.
I
What
these
topic
sheets
are
is
and
we've
distributed
those
this
morning
we'll
be
based
in
our
conversation
off
of
those
but
they're
a
starting
point,
I
think
for
these.
These
topics,
I,
don't
think
they're
really
the
end
point,
except
for
maybe
one
where
the
conclusion
was.
We
can't
do
this
unless
there's
a
constitutional
change,
and
so
we'll
hear
about
that.
I
But
for
most
of
them,
I
would
consider
this
a
starting
point
for
a
conversation
on
these
topics,
among
among
the
committee
and
with
staff,
so
I
think
what
we
can
do
is
have
each
staff
member
present
the
topic
that
they
that
they
kind
of
led
the
discussion
on
and
then
we
could
either
have
questions
and
answer
on
that
topic
as
we
go
along
or
we
could
could
reserve
that.
Maybe
to
the
end,
depending
on
how
the
chair
and
the
commissioner
or
Commissioners
feel
about
that
I.
I
Commissioner
greno,
you
need
a
binder
correct
and
then,
commissioner
valentus
okay,
perfect,
so
we
have
those
and
I
think
if
you
would
like
any
additional
materials
printed,
we
might
kind
of
work
through
that.
Administratively,
we
didn't
print
the
additional
materials
for
today's
meeting
and
then
there's
one
set
of
materials
I
might
want
to
substitute,
and
that
is
the
final
report
from
the
2012-2013
commission
I
think
you
might
have
a
version
that
was
written
on
in
your
packets.
I
We
did
locate
the
final
version
from
the
clerk's
office,
so
I
do
have
that
now.
I
think
whether
or
not
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
those
printed
I'm.
Guessing
yes,
we'll
do
that
for
the
next
one
and
we'll
send
out
the
electronic
version
as
well.
G
And
just
having
spent
a
good
deal
of
time
last
night
here
in
Chambers
with
the
former
counselor
Farber,
who
submitted
a
Minority
Report,
is
that
going
to
be
included
in
the
materials.
I
Commissioners,
you
should
have
a
copy
of
his
Minority
Report.
It
is
in
a
large
number
of
pages
from
the
2012
2013.
One
I
think
that
is
the
signed
version
from
him.
I
was
just
looking
at
that.
That
looks
like
it's
probably
the
final
version,
the
one
from
the
Commissioners
had
some
writing
on
it,
but
we
did
identify
the
final
version
of
that
one
as
well,
but
I
think
the
version
I'll
be
setting
has
both
so
I.
Guess
with
that.
I
The
first
two
topics
assistant
City
attorney
fegali,
worked
on
those
and
she's
going
to
present
on
them.
A
Hello
Commissioners,
so
the
first
two
topics
are
fairly
similar,
at
least
in
their
answers.
They
are
what
is
the
appropriate
number
of
city
council
districts
and
what
is
the
appropriate
number
of
City
councilors
per
District
in
the
in
the
current
city
Charter?
It
says
the
city
shall
be
divided
into
four
dual
member
districts
numbered
one
through
four,
so
that
summarizes
both
of
those
questions
for
what
is
currently
happening.
A
So
right
now
we
have
four
districts
with
two
counselors,
each
I'm
sure
you
know-
and
this
was
neither
of
these
topics-
were
brought
up
in
legislation
or
during
governing
body
discussion
about
such
legislation.
There
was
none
and
again
sort
of
the
consequences
of
adopting
a
charter.
Amendment
on
this
issue
are
related.
A
The
main
limitation
is
that
the
New
Mexico
State
statutes
say
that
there
must
be
at
least
four
and
no
more
than
10
counselors.
So
if
we
were
to
go
up
to
five
council
districts,
we
could
have
one
or
two
counselors
per
District.
If
we
went
down
to
three,
we
could
have
you
know
up
to
four
per
District
or
up
sorry
still
up
to
three
per
District.
A
If
we
went
up
to
six,
we
could
only
have
one
per
District,
so
you
know
the
the
final
number
there
has
to
be
the
same
number
of
counselors
per
District,
which
could
be
one
two
three.
You
know
depending
how
many
districts
we
have
it
just
they.
The
number
needs
to
be
between
four
and
ten
depends
how
you
would
want
to
restructure
the
districts
or
the
number
of
counselors
to
make
that
possible.
A
A
Other
cities
in
New
Mexico
that
have
similar
government
structures
with
a
mayor
council
manager,
better
home
rule,
Albuquerque
has
nine
districts
each
with
one
counselor
again
can
I
have
one
in
ten
and
their
population
for
reference
is
563
000
people,
NFA
is
85,
000.
A
and
then
Gallup
City
Charter
has
four
counselors
and
there
are
four
districts
in
Gallup.
So
there's
one
per
district
and
their
population
is
21.5
thousand
and
then
outside
of
New
Mexico.
A
There
are
a
lot
of
cities
that
are
sort
of
similar
size
to
us
that
do
not
have
districts.
Okay.
So
whether
or
not
you
could
do
that
in
New
Mexico
later,
but
Boulder
has
nine
elected
council
members
of
which
one
becomes
the
mayor,
but
they
are
all
at
Large.
Boulder
is
about
104
000
people.
Flagstaff
Arizona
has
six
counselors
that
are
at
Large,
there's
77,
000,
so
they're
very
close
in
size
and
then
there's
another
example.
A
Santa
Cruz
California
has
six
districts
with
one
council
member
each
and
a
mayor,
oh
in
Santa,
Cruz
is
62
000.,
so
in
terms
of
you
know
how
many
districts
are
and
how
many
counselors
total
it
varies
widely.
I
would
say,
because
also
outside
of
those
like
New
York
City,
which
has
a
population
of
8.5
million,
has
51
districts
each
with
a
member
and
Chicago
has
50
each
with
a
member.
A
So
a
lot
of
the
big
cities
do
have
districts,
but
as
far
as
cities
are
size,
I
did
not
find
particularly
many
that
had
separate
districts
outside
of
New
Mexico
as
to
Legal
limitations.
A
They
are
that
we
have
to
end
up
with
at
least
for
no
more
than
10
counselors
and
financial
considerations,
and
other
considerations
would
depend
on
if
redistricting
needed
to
happen.
If
you
know
a
lot
of
issues
that
could
be
relevant
depending
on
what
you
wanted
to
change
so
that
basic
summary
of
both
of
those
questions,
let.
G
I
Commissioners,
it's
actually
residence
based
on
residence,
so
you
don't
distinguish
whether
or
not
they're
eligible
to
vote
or
not
or
voting
age
or
anything
else,
so
they
could
be
non-citizens
as
well
or
and
and
you
would
still
count
them
in
the
population.
So
it's
really
about
population.
So
we
use
census
data,
not
distinguishing
eligibility
or
citizenships.
G
G
A
A
In
here
right,
neither
Connor
nor
I
saw
any
studies.
There
might
be
some
but
yeah.
Certainly
in
New
York's
the
8
million
people
has
51
districts,
so
they
would
she
wants
the
district.
Then
we
would.
K
When
would
this
change
go
into
effect
because
we
just
redistricted
just
finished
so?
Are
we
looking
at
what,
in
terms
of
time,
just
out
of
curiosity,
because
we're
sort
of
repeating
ourselves.
I
Yeah
sure
I
was
commissioner
blundis.
I.
Think
that
would
be
part
of
the
recommendation
is
that
if
you
thought
this
was
a
good
idea,
you
could
also
put
a
Time
recommendation
on
it.
It
would
be
after
the
next
redistricting
or
that
type
of
thing,
I
think
that
can
be
part
of
the
recommendation,
so
that
would
certainly
be
up
to
the
the
commissioner's
discretion
as
to
what
that
recommendation
was.
B
Ives
this
is
this,
is
Nancy
long.
Would
we
have
to
redistrict
if
we
kept
the
districts
the
same
and
just
reduce
the
number
to
one
per
District.
F
You
Mr
chair
I,
just
want
to
add
a
bit
of
information.
The
redistricting
commission,
which
I
was
chair,
had
public
hearings
and
we
did
get
a
couple
of
comments
of
individuals
saying
that
they
felt
the
city
of
Santa.
F
Fe
should
have
more
districts
because
they
were
quite
large
and
I
just
wanted
to
show
that
information
so
that
it's
considered
as
part
of
this
conversation
in
my
final
report
to
the
city,
councilor
and
the
mayor,
I
did
make
a
comment
that
in
the
future,
whoever
is
looking
at
the
chartering
which
I
didn't
realize
I
was
going
to
be
on
the
commission
at
the
time
that
they
should
be
aware
of
the
fact
that
Community
members
did
come
to
the
independent
redistricting
commission
and
asked
that
the
city
consider
adding
another
District.
L
You
I
I
noticed
that
as
well,
commission
Ortiz
and
I
I
noticed
two
things.
One
is
that
the
same
consultant
that
you
are
registering
committee
used
is
what
the
state
used
Mr
sanderoff,
and
his
comment
was
that
in
the
course
of
the
last
decade,
the
population
of
Santa
Fe
had
increased
roughly
by
25
percent.
L
I
thought
that
that
was
fortunate,
that
that
what
that
that
it
was
that
number,
because
we
had
four
districts,
that
we
had
four
districts,
and
so
each
of
them
are
represented
about
25
percent
of
the
population
at
the
beginning
of
the
last
decade,
and
the
increase
in
population
was
roughly
equivalent
to
the
size
of
any
one
of
them,
and
so
it
it
has
always
been
a
matter
of
concern
for
me
that
we
get
into
these
conversations
about
disparities
and
it
and
inequities
among
how
the
districts
are
and
paying
attention
to.
L
How
many
there
are
would
be
a
way
of
addressing
some
of
those
concerns,
and
so
I
I
was
very
attracted
to
items
A
and
B,
because
they
could
doing
something.
Creative
about
them
could
have
a
very
positive
effect
on
some
of
the
concerns
that
the
devil
Civic
life
in
Santa
Fe,
so
I
I
don't
want
to
treat
these
lightly.
These
two
seem
to
me
to
be
of
huge
importance.
The
the
issue
that
you
just
raised,
though,
about
the
sequencing,
is
it
possible
to
look
at
that?
L
I
This
order
and
and
Commissioners
commissioner
Decker
chairs,
commissioner
I
guess
what
I
was
saying,
is
that
if
it
were
to
go
into
effect
after
the
next
redistricting,
they
would
be
taking
that
into
account
when
they
did.
It
is
what
I
was
thinking
and
I
probably
didn't
make
that
clear.
But
you
would
direct
the
impact
occur
after
redistricting,
but
the
redistricting
team
would
be
for
the
purpose
of
accomplishing
whatever
the
charter.
Amendment
said,
if
you
were
to
change
the
number
of
districts,
so
then
the
new
redistricting
commission
would
have
that
direction
in
mind,
but.
I
You
could
do
that
is
what
I'm
saying,
but
we're
under
our
current
redistricting
commission
I
was
on
the
first
one.
I
Actually
that
was
my
first
city
committee
to
sit
on
myself
and
it
was
a
mid-decade
redistricting,
and
so
that's
already
contemplated
to
do
it
as
needed
as
well,
and
the
reason
we
did
it
at
that
time
was
we
had
just
annexed
additional
population
and
the
disparities
required
redistricting
that
there
would
be
too
much
difference
in
population
between
the
districts
at
that
time,
so
I
at
that
time,
I
was
in
District
three
and
all
the
districts
shifted
South
now
I'm
in
district,
one
where
I
live,
which
is
like
Midtown
region
and
and
so
because
of
the
annexation.
I
I
think
there
was
representation
on
the
commission
at
that
time.
There
was
a
special
member
for
the
area
that
had
been
annexed
as
well
at
that
time
because
it
hadn't
been
put
into
a
district
yet
but
the,
but
the
ordinance
does
contemplate
that.
We
might
need
to
redistrict
it
other
times
too,
such
as
the
the
population
distribution
changes
significantly
or
something
like
this
as
well.
G
There,
commissioner
Perez
thank.
E
A
A
E
This
I
think
that
Santa
fe's
a
unique
sort
of
creative
way
of
doing
it
in
Santa
Fe
to
have
to
two
Representatives
per
District,
two
City
councilors
per
district
and
I
just
like
to
sort
of
lift
up
the
idea
to
my
colleagues
here
that
having
those
two
per
District,
one
of
the
big
advantages
of
that
is
that
it
incentivizes
voters
to
turn
out
every
municipal
election
right,
because
every
two
years
there's
going
to
be
somebody
elected
to
commission
to
to
the
council
from
each
district.
E
So
that's
something
that
I've
always
appreciated
about
the
way
that
we
do
it
in
in
Santa
Fe,
as
opposed
to
other
cities
where
it's
you
just
have
one
com,
one
counselor,
so
you
just
show
you
know
if
you
care
about
your
city,
council
race,
you
just
show
up
every
four
years,
rather
than
every
two
years.
A
Yeah
I'd
like
to
add
to
the
previous
idea
of
having
five
districts
that
if
we
did
decide
to
go
that
way.
If
the
commission
did
decide
to
recommend
that
that
there
could
still
be
two
counselors
per.
A
Although
if
you
decided
that
maybe
say
you
know,
eight
districts
were
more
appropriate
than
four.
Now
that
we
have
more
population
and
more
you
know,
population
movement,
we'll
say
in
the
city,
there
could
be
eight
districts
and
one
counselor
per
District.
There's
many
options.
I
Council
I
was
commissioner
I
just
went
or
commissioner
I
was
Commissioners.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
we
certainly
didn't
do
an
exhaustive
research
on
all
the
topics,
so
there
could
be
jurisdictions
that
were
not
identified
that
fall
into
various
categories
and
and
I
think
once
we
know
more,
the
specific
questions
and
specific
interests
of
the
Commissioners
at
that
point,
I
think
we
would
work
with
you
to
do
more
of
an
exhaustive
comparison
and
that
kind
of
thing
if
it
was
helpful
at
this
point,
these
are
more
just
examples.
I
So
we're
probably
not
going
to
be
able
to
answer
the
question
on
any
of
these.
If
there
is
any
city
that
has
a
particular
scenario,
I
wouldn't
feel
comfortable
enough
being
able
to
say
for
sure
there
is
not,
we
might
be
able
to
say
there
is
that's.
D
F
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
a
couple
of
things.
This
is
a
a
could,
be
a
very
meaty
conversation
and
topic
and
clearly
a
lot
of
questions
which
cannot
be
answered
tonight.
I,
don't
think
that's
our
our
goal,
but
I
I
want
to
get
some
idea
of
the
process
that
we're
following.
Are
we
going
to
vote
after
each
one
to
say?
B
B
G
The
one
question
I
had
in
follow-up
if
we
went
to
five
districts
with
two
counselors
per
District
so
had
10,
City
councilors
are
governing
body.
Of
course.
At
this
point
in
time
includes
the
mayor.
I,
don't
know
if
the
limitation
on
10
counselors
encompasses
that
additional
position
as
a
member
of
the
governing
body
or
if
there's
any
issues
there.
A
G
Thank
you
shall
we
move
on
to
the
next
topic.
C
Excellent
yeah
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
commissioner
Montoya
is
on
via
phone
and
I.
Don't
know
if
she
was.
D
G
G
J
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
members
of
the
commission,
I
the
pleasure
of
addressing
topic,
C
and
D
I'll.
Do
them
separately
and
I'm
just
going
to
run
through
the
questions
on
the
info
sheets
that,
hopefully
you
have
before
you
so
that
you're
able
to
follow
along.
Please
feel
free
to
stop
me
for
questions
if
any
occur
to
you
as
I'm,
going
through
these
topic
sheets.
So
the
question
or
the
topic
was
whether
the
city
should
have
an
at-large,
Committee,
Member
and.
J
The
next
issue
is
addressing
what
does
the
current
Charter
say?
The
current
Charter
States
under
Section
6.03
districts
quote
the
city
shall
be
divided
into
four
dual
member
districts
numbered
one
through
four
District
boundaries
shall
be
reviewed
and
revised
at
least
every
10
years,
following
the
dicennial
census
by
an
independent
citizens,
redistricting
Commission.
J
J
If
the
city
were
to
adopt
a
charter
Amendment
permitting
at
large
members,
that
change
would
likely
be
found
unconstitutional.
We
say
that
because
in
New
Mexico
a
home
Rule,
Charter
municipality
did
adopt
a
charter.
Amendment
Gallup
has
to
Charter
provision
allowing
for
at
large
elections
for
its
City
councilors
and
initially
there
was
a
challenge
alleged
or
brought
in
Federal
District
Court,
alleging
violations
of
the
voter
rights
act
and
a
specific
state
law.
J
Was
this
issue
considered
in
one
of
the
two
prior
Charter
commission's
final
reports?
Yes,
in
the
2012
and
13
Charter
commission
and
the
2005
Charter
Commission,
the
2012-13
Charter
commission
did
not
recommend
this
topic
for
consideration
to
the
governing
body.
Due
to
the
kasus
case.
J
J
What
are
some
examples
of
what
other
cities
do
outside
of
New
Mexico
on
this
topic?
There's
a
wide
variety
and
we
would
say
that
many
local
governments
outside
New
Mexico
have
at
large
numbers
and
such
a
member
would
represent
the
whole
city
and
not
any
particular
District
over,
because
the
state
law
prohibits
at
large
membership
for
counselors.
J
You
know
we.
We
don't
have
any
it's
hard
to
compare,
basically
because
of
a
clear
legal
prohibition.
Some
allow
at
large
counselors,
because
they're
constitutions
or
statutes
permitted
and
as
one
example,
we
found
the
city
of
Boulder,
Colorado,
Charter
States,
specifically
that
the
legislative
officers
of
the
city
shall
consist
of
the
mayor
and
eight
council
members
elected
from
the
city
at
Large,
each
having
an
equal
vote
and
collectively
called
the
council
legal
limitations.
I've
alluded
to,
but
according
to
the
New
Mexico
Supreme
Court,
the
law
of
General
applicability.
J
So
again,
drawing
from
the
casus
case
these
limitations.
The
court
found
that
this
is
a
law
of
General
applicability.
D
J
Applies
to
municipalities
throughout
the
state
with
populations
over
ten
thousand,
therefore,
section
3-12
1.1,
which
requires
City
councilors
to
reside
in
single
member
districts,
is
a
general
law
as
such,
it
limits
home
rule.
If
it
expressly
denies
municipalities,
The
Authority
allegedly
legislates
similar
matters,
as
required
by
New
Mexico
Constitution
Article
10,
section
6D,
and
there
are
no
Financial
or
practical
considerations
for
this
proposal.
J
So
I
would
stand
for
questions
on
that
or
I
can
move
to
to
topic.
D
at
your
pleasure.
G
Let
me
just
before
you
go
there
note
one
thing
which
is
the
general
voter
turnout
across
the
city:
it
tends
to
be
higher
in
districts.
One
two
and
four
District
three
at
least
historically-
has
had
lower
voter
turnouts
so
going
if
we
wanted
to
go
towards
a
single
district
with.
G
However
many
counselors
at
large,
and
given
that
we
have
of
course
ranked
Choice
voting,
the
opportunity
for
those
districts
that
have
higher
turnouts
to
have
a
greater
impact
on
the
election
might
be
significant
and
yeah
I
guess:
okay,
I
would
state
that
I'm
generally,
not
in
favor,
as
a
result
of
that
particular
circumstance.
So
and
I
see
another
question,
commissioner
blundis.
K
Can
you
hear
me
there
we
go
I've
got
to
push
with
a
little
strength.
It
seems
to
me
that
we're
trying
to
put
the
cart
before
the
horse.
K
If
the
state
of
New
Mexico
should
change
its
law,
then
I
think
this
is
something
that
the
commission
should
spend
time
considering,
but
it's
the
law
so
until
that
changes
I
see
no
reason
for
us
to
spend
our
time
talking
about
and
changing
something
that's
already
been
struck
down,
and
we
have
a
court
case
that
can
be
cited
immediately
to
show
that
it's
not
valuable.
B
Hey
Jerry
Long,
yes,
I
had
a
question
for
Marcus
about
the
statute
that
says,
except,
as
provided
in
members
of
governing
bodies
of
municipalities
having
a
population
in
excess
of
10
000
shall
reside
in
and
be
elected
from
single
member
districts.
What
does
single
member
mean
then,
from
just
a
single
District?
It
doesn't
mean
there
should
only
be
a
single
counselor.
J
Yeah,
that's
correct
it.
It
means
from
the
districts
which
divide
the
city
and
that
is
required
by
I
think
nmsa,
1978-3
12-2,
but
this
whole
subsection
of
the
municipal
code,
312
deals
with
Municipal
elections
to
a
certain
extent.
E
Thank
you
so
yeah
there's
a
lot
to
be
said
about
a
large
versus
districts,
but
I
agree
with
my
colleagues
saying
that
we
we're
kind
of,
like
probably
don't
need
to
have
this
conversation,
given
that
it's
not
in
New
Mexico
law
at
this
moment,
And
to
clarify
about
single
dish,
single
member
district.
What
that
means
is
that
for
each
district,
there's
one
winner
elected
in
each
election,
so
there's
single
member
districts
and
they're
multi
multi-winner
districts
in
a
multi-winter
district.
You
could
elect
say
for
for
the
way
that
we
have
it.
E
D
Sorry
this
is
commissioner
Montoya
I
should
say
no
questions
from
me.
J
Thank
you.
The
next
one
I
think
is
a
very
interesting
topic
and
I
hope.
It
invites
group
full
discussion.
I'll
just
read
the
topic
whether
the
city's
mayor
should
have
a
purely
executive
role,
rather
than
both
legislative
and
executive
roles,
and
if
so,
what
new
rights
and
limitations
should
be
adopted.
Along
with
such
separation
of
powers,
what
does
the
current
Charter
say?
J
J
She
had
the
authority
to
remove
the
city
manager,
City
attorney
and
city
clerk
without
Council
approval,
H
caused
the
ordinances
and
regulations
of
the
city
to
be
faithfully
and
constantly
obeyed.
I
have
within
the
city
limits
the
power
conferred
on
sheriffs
counties
to
suppress
disorders
into
peace.
Today,
proposed
programs
and
policies
to
the
governing
body.
K
represent
the
city
in
intergovernmental
relationships.
J
There
was
no
reason
for
the
inquiry
stated
either
in
the
legislation
or
during
the
governing
body,
discussion
about
the
legislation
and
then
skipping
to
question
three.
What
are
the
consequences
of
adopting
a
charter
Amendment
on
this
issue?
This
was
very
difficult
for
us
to
a
pine
on
and
I
think
we
would
benefit
from
perhaps
direction
from
this
commission
to
narrow
this.
But
I'll
offer
this
a
more
well-defined
separation
of
powers
between
the
Executive
Branch,
the
mayor
and
the
legislative
branch.
J
The
city
council
could
allow
the
branches
to
act
as
checks
and
balances
upon
each
other
and
for
the
branches
to
focus
on
particular
domains
of
governments
in
order
to
better
Define
the
separation
of
powers.
The
charter
may
need
further
amplification
of
the
executive's
powers.
For
example,
the
City
of
Albuquerque
Article
5,
section
4,
has
slight
differences
from
the
city
of
Santa
fe's
Charter
I
highlight
those
below
the
charter.
J
Was
this
issue
considered
in
one
of
the
two
prior
Charter
commission's
final
reports?
Yes,
if
so
summarize,
the
discussion
and
recommendations
I
just
note
that
the
2012-13
commission
recommended
a
full-time
mayor
and
started
the
process
of
further
specializing.
The
branches
of
governance
government
in
the
city,
but
the
city
as
I
noted
under
5.01
mayor,
does
have
a
vote
on
all
matters
that
come
before
the
governing
body
and
that
that
did
actually
sort
of
conflate
the
legislative
and
executive
branches.
J
To
a
certain
extent,
what
do
other
cities
in
New
Mexico
do
in
relation
to
this
topic?
New
Mexico,
homo
municipalities
with
the
mayor
council
manager,
municipal
government
structure,
can
grant
the
mayor
both
executive
and
legislative
roles.
However,
this
is
not
necessarily
the
case
as
the
City
of
Albuquerque
Charter
enumerates,
primarily
executive
powers
to
the
mayor
and
their
Charter
States
in
part.
The
mayor
shall
a
organize
the
executive
branch
of
the
city
e
exercise,
administrative
control.
C
D
J
Grant,
the
mayor,
both
executive
and
executive
roles,
city
of
Gallup,
Charter
States
in
part,
mayor
of
the
city
of
Gallup,
shall
be
the
presiding
officer
of
the
council
and
shall
be
the
official
head
of
the
city.
You
shall
sign
all
bonds
warrants
and
other
official
documents
you
shall
exercise
and
perform
all
duties
imposed
upon
Him
by
this
Charter
by
state
law
and
the
ordinances
of
the
city
and
resolutions
of
the
council.
The.
J
That
vote
same
as
the
other
members
of
the
city
council
and
shall
not
have
veto
powers.
The
city
of
Grants
Charter
states
that
the
mayor
shall
be
a
member
of
the
governing
body
entitled
to
cast
a
vote.
J
Only
the
bent
of
a
tie
among
the
city
councilors
mayor
shall
one
presided
meetings,
the
governing
body
be
the
chief
executive
officer
of
the
city
and
shall
exercise
all
executive
powers,
except
to
the
extent
that
those
powers
are
vested
with
a
city
manager
by
contract
represent
the
city
and
intergovernmental
relationships
within
45
days
after
the
close
of
the
fiscal
year
present,
an
annual
state
of
the
city
report
skipping
ahead,
perform
such
other
duties
and
exercise
such
other
powers
as
specified
in
this
Charter
cities,
ordinances
and
resolutions,
or
by
the
governing
body.
J
Now,
what
what
are
some
examples
of
what
other
cities
outside
New
Mexico
do
on
this
topic
in
at
least
some
of
the
comparable
municipalities
outside
of
New
Mexico
that
we
looked
at
and
it
was
a
sample
and
not
a
comprehensive
survey.
Mayors
also
granted
both
executive
and
legislative
roles
in
the
city
of
Flagstaff
Arizona,
the
charter
States.
The
mayor
shall
be
the
chairperson
of
the
council
and
preside
over
its
meetings.
The
mayor
may
make
and
second
motions
and
shall
have
a
voice
and
vote
in
all
its
proceedings.
J
Mayor
Shelby
recognized
as
head
of
city
government
for
all
ceremonial
purposes
and
by
the
governor
for
purposes
of
Martial
law
and
shall
live
executive,
but
no
regular
administrative
duties
and
the
city
of
Boulder
states
that
the
mayor
shall
have
all
powers,
rights,
Privileges
and
privileges
of
a
council
member.
The
mayor
shall
preside
at
the
meetings
of
the
council
and
perform
such
other
duties
consistent
with
the
office
as
may
be
imposed
by
this
Charter
or
by
the
council.
Mayor
shall
have
no
power
of
veto.
J
Mayor
shall
be
recognized
as
the
official
head
of
the
city
for
all
ceremonial
purposes,
by
the
courts,
for
serving
civil
process
and
by
the
governor
for
military
purposes
in
time
of
Emergency.
The
mayor
shall,
if
the
council
so
does,
orders
take
command
of
the
police
and
maintain
and
enforce
laws
temporarily
superseding
the
city
manager
in
police,
Affairs,
mayor
Shelby,
ex-officio,
a
member
of
all
Council
committees
during
the
mayor's
absence
or
disability,
the
mayor's
2D
shall
be
performed
by
the
mayor.
J
Pro
Tem
are
there
legal
limitations
to
consider
yes
and,
and
these
limitations
are,
are
sort
of
the
outer
bounds
of
what
what
the
that
he
could
do,
perhaps,
and
by
that
I
mean
that
we
we
do
need
at
least
Upon
Our
review,
minimal,
mayor
executive
and
legislative
branch,
and
we
say
that
because
New
Mexico
statutes
one
in
particular,
three
nmsa
1978,
section
3-2-8
statute
that
describes
the
process
for
incorporating
a
municipality
requires
an
election
of
Municipal
officers
and
I
cite
that
there
I'll
I,
guess
I'll
read
if
a
majority
of
the
votes
cast
favors
the
incorporation
of
the
territory
as
a
municipality,
the
board
of
County
Commissioners
shall
call
an
election
for
the
purpose
of
electing
Municipal
officers
at
the
first
regular
or
general
election
following
approval.
J
This
section
goes
on
to
describe
the
municipal
officers
as
a
mayor,
a
municipal
judge
and
a
governing
body.
Therefore,
it
appears
that
both
an
executive
or
a
legislative
body
are
necessary
whether
the
city
has
a
mayor,
council
or
form
of
government
or
a
commissioner
manager
mayor
form
of
government.
J
I
also
note
that
James
Madison
and
the
Federalist
number
47
describes
why
separation
of
powers
is
important
to
democracy
and
there's
a
citation
for
that.
It's
not
I
may
not
have
made
it
into
your
packet.
I'll
make
sure
it
gets
in
there
for
the
next
time.
J
Are
there
Financial
or
other
practical
considerations
for
this
proposal,
or
their
staff
may
be
necessary
as
these
governmental
functions
develop?
If
the
mayor
does
not
vote,
for
example,
even
in
the
case
of
a
tie,
the
city
would
have
to
develop
a
process
for
Designing
deciding
Thai
votes,
such
as
ensuring
there
is
an
odd
number
of
counselors
or
some
other
tie-breaking
mechanism
and.
L
D
L
Furthermore,
however,
it
seems
to
me
that
our
topic
f
covers
a
whole
lot
of
the
same
territory.
Am
I
correct
in
that
and
did
I
simply
raise
it,
because
I
would
like
to
reserve
my
comments
on
the
whole
subject
until
we've
heard
from
you
Aaron
on
topic,
f,.
I
Chairman
Ives,
commissioner,
your
deck
I
I
think
they
definitely
could
overlap
just
depending
on
what
direction
you
want
to
take
in
terms
of
so
better
to
find
seems
to
kind
of
contemplate,
maybe
the
same
as
scenario
but
with
more
Express
descriptions,
whereas
this
one,
maybe
contemplates
more
separate
like
differently
defined,
perhaps
versus
better
defined,
so
it
would
be
maybe
creating
more
categorical
duties
versus
better
defining
them.
In
this
situation
they
currently
are
established.
I
I
think
that
would
be
the
distinction
and
then
the
other
category
is
not
just
about
executive
legislative
distinctions,
but
also
includes
the
city
manager,
which
is
more
of
an
operational
role,
at
least
as
we
have
him
currently
operating
in
the
city
of
Santa
Fe.
I
So
it's
maybe
a
little
broader
as
well,
but
it
I
was
interpreting
the
one
that
I
worked
on
more
as
more
of
if
we
had
this
status
quo
in
terms
of
maybe
roles,
should
we
better
Define
them
in
that
status,
quo
and
I
think
this
one
maybe
is
better
thought
of,
as
should
we
change
further
and
make
it
more
distinct
in
terms
of
which
roles
each
of
these
people
play
in
terms
of
separation
of
powers
but
but
absolutely
agree,
there
is
a
relationship
there
and
there's
a
overlap
as
well.
G
And
as
I
asked
for
more
questions,
I
note
that
we've
almost
completed
our
first
hour.
We
have
six
more
items
to
continue
as
to
discuss
as
well
as
committee
assignments.
Public
comment,
Etc,
so
I'm
gonna
suggest
that
we
may
want
to
abbreviate
what
we're
doing
save
questions
towards
the
end.
As
we
look
at
potential
committee
assignments,
which
should
allow
staff
to
move
more
quickly
through
their
presentation
so
with
everybody's
General,
concurrence
I
think
that
might
be
a
more
efficient
way
to
get
us
through
by
5
30,
which
is
our
goal
good.
I
Thank
you,
excellent
thank
you
and
I
should
have
I
should
have
introduced
Marcos
as
senior
assistant,
City
attorney,
Martinez
I,
think
I
just
said:
Marcos
Martinez,
so
my
apologies.
Our
next
presenter
is
Conor
Murphy.
Who
is
our
new
policy
analyst
in
the
office
of.
M
Good
afternoon,
chair
Ives
and
Commissioners,
it's
a
pleasure
to
be
here
and
thank
you
for
your
time,
I'm
addressing
topic
e,
which
is
whether
a
counselor
should
be
full-time
and
in
the
interest
of
time,
as
was
just
noted,
I
would
ask
that
we
turn
the
page
to
number
Point
number,
seven
which
excuse
me,
which
elaborates
on
the
primary
ways
that
City
councils
are
structured.
This
was
from
a
study
conducted
by
the
city
of
Columbus
Ohio
during
their
2016
Charter
review.
M
In
this
study
they
outline
the
three
primary
forms
of
employment
for
City
councilors,
that
being
full-time
so-called
part-time
plus
and
part-time.
If
you
look
to
topic
number
seven
or
excuse
me,
Point
number
seven
I'll
go
through
some
of
the
specifics
of
these
to
outline
what
those
terms
of
art
entail
and
I
know
that
we
are
likely
not
taking
questions
at
this
time,
but
I
would
be
happy
to
answer
them
subsequently.
M
M
Essentially,
two-thirds
of
a
week
they're
compensated,
also
approximately
at
two-thirds
of
a
full-time
salary,
but
are
also
typically
allowed
outside
employment
to
specify
or
to
return
to
my
previous
Point
full-time
counselors
in
cities
that
have
full-time
City
counselors
typically
are
not
allowed
outside
employment,
although
this
does
vary
and
then
lastly,
we
have
strictly
part-time
City
councils
and
counselors,
where
they
typically
work
20
hours
a
week
working
on
legislative
functions
and
are
typically
allowed
outside
employment.
M
Now
again
in
the
interest
of
keeping
my
remarks
brief,
what
I
would
conclude
by
stating
is
that
there
are
not
clear
legal
barriers
to
amending
the
charter
to
require
or
permit
full-time
counselors,
but
there
are
some
financial
and
practical
considerations
to
bear
in
mind.
Those
being
that
currently
counselors
do
not
have
dedicated
staff
and
are
paid
essentially
a
halftime
salary,
so
increasing
expectations
would
likely
include
the
need
for
higher
salaries
for
counselors
and
potentially
more
staff
support.
M
In
addition,
if
there
are
any
other
points
that
just
immediately
come
to
mind,
if
you
have
any
other
questions,
I
know
I
went
quickly.
I
apologize
I
just
wanted
to
keep
time
short,
but
if
anything
has
arisen
now
that
you
would
like
to
ask
I'm
open
to
questions,
thank
you.
G
I
think
we
still
have
a
few
moments
in
which
questions
might
be
quickly
posed.
Yes,
counselor
or
commissioner
blood
disc.
K
You
hear
me
now
I
feel
like
the
Verizon
guy.
Just
simply
one
word
money
budget.
G
Certainly
a
consideration
I
suspect
in
all
of
these
in
the
end.
But
yes
thank
you
for
that
presentation.
It
is
an
interesting,
oh
I'm.
Sorry,
a
question
chair
long
sorry
about
that.
B
No
problem,
thank
you
for
presenting
us
with
that
city
of
Columbus,
a
survey
which
was
interesting
when
I
first
read
it.
I
saw
13
cities
of
the
best
cities
have
full-time
counselors,
I
thought.
Oh,
we
need
full-time
councils,
but
then
16
of
the
cities
have
part-time
councils,
so
that
seemed
to
go
kind
of
both
ways.
But
I
know
that
in
your
report
that
the
City
of
Albuquerque
has
part-time
city,
council
members
and
a
full-time
mayor
were
there
any
cities
in
New
Mexico
that
have
full-time
counselors,
that
you
found.
M
Chair
Ives
and
chair
long,
thank
you
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
do
not
have
that
information
before
me,
but
I
will
get
you
that
information
subsequently.
E
Thank
you,
chair,
Ives
I
would
love
to
get
some
data
about
what
it.
What
does
it
mean
in
terms
of
equity,
to
be
able
to
have
a
full-time,
counselor
body
as
opposed
to
a
part-time
or
part-time
Plus
in
terms
of
who's
able
to
run
and
who's
able
to
hold
office?
E
As
far
as
you
know,
social
economic
class,
whether
parents
right
are
able
to
be
elected
and
run
as
a
part-time
gardening
body
member
as
opposed
to
a
full-time
person,
so
I
would
like
to
have
some
sort
of
a
racial
and
sort
of
like
social,
economic
equity
data
around
those
13
cities
versus
those
16
cities.
I,
wonder
if
there's
some
information
about
that
available.
G
M
Yes
speaking
to
that
point
to
your
eyes
and
commissioner,
thank
you
for
that
question.
I
will
also
conduct
subsequent
research
on
that
topic.
I
Turban
Ives
Connor
I,
don't
want
you
to
sign
up
to
100
things
this
evening,
I.
I
So
I
think
we
need
to
figure
out
what
we're
going
to
prioritize
and
so
I
think
these
are
this:
let's
stick
with
discussion
on
it
and
then
maybe
we'll
figure
out
what
the
priorities
are
for
what
research
will
be
required
in
the
future.
We've
got
Connor
working
on
a
lot
of
stuff
at
the
city
and
I
just
want
us
to
be
careful
about.
I,
absolutely
appreciate
your
willingness
to
take
on
a
lot
of
projects,
but
let's,
let's
find
out
where
the
committee
wants
to
go
and
then
we'll
prioritize
the
work
we
do.
I
G
I
Thank
you,
chairman
I
was
Commissioners
I
worked
on
this
one
and
realized
how
broad
that
question
is
so
I
did
I
did
it's.
It's
very
broad
and
unfortunately,
I
may
have
had
something
to
do
with
drafting
that,
but
it
does
it.
I
Just
there's
there's
been
a
lot
of
commentary
about
the
the
changes
that
were
made,
I
think
in
the
last
Charter
commission's
recommendations
and
and
whether
some
of
the
conclusions
in
the
report
from
that
commission
I
found
to
be
notable,
which
is
you
know
that
this
these
changes
would
make
it
absolutely
clear
to
counselors
that
their
policy
makers
and
not
involved
in
the
operation
of
the
city,
I'm,
not
sure
that
that's
happened.
I
But
so
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
situation
of
Clarity
of
language
versus
just
a
you
know
a
moving
system
where
it
takes
a
while
for
things
to
settle
out,
but
what
I
did
do
is
go
through
our
existing
Charter
and
identify
some
of
the
areas
where
it
the
duties
are
described,
and
some
of
them
are
very
clear
and-
and
some
are
less
is
clear,
so
I
I
highlighted
by
underlining
them
some
of
the
the
parts
that
relate
to
the
roles
and
I.
Think
in
the
mayor.
I
Right
now
we
Marcos
went
through
some
of
these,
but
I
think
the
parts
that
relate
to
hit
the
mayor's
Powers
are
much
more
broad
than
just
the
legislative
powers.
Obviously
he
has
a
vote
on
the
current
mayors
that
he,
the
mayor,
has
a
vote
on
matters
that
come
before
everybody
and
is
the
chief
executive
officer
appoints
with
the
consent
of
the
governing
body.
The
city
manager,
City
Clerk.
I
The
attorney
and
members
of
advisory
committees
and
commissions
exercises
super
advisory
authority
over
the
city
manager,
City
attorney
and
city
clerk.
Has
the
authority
to
remove
the
city
manager,
City's
attorney
and
city
clerk
without
Council
approval
cause
the
ordinances
and
regulations
of
the
city
to
be
faithfully
and
constantly
obeyed,
have
within
the
city
limits
the
power
conferred
on
the
sheriffs
of
counties
to
suppress
disorders
and
keep
the
peace.
Those
programs
and
policies
to
the
governing
body
represent
the
city
and
intergovernmental
relationships
present
an
annual
state
of
the
city
message
which
shall
identify
among
other
matters.
I
The
mayor's
legislative
agenda
for
the
upcoming
year.
Work
with
city
of
personnel
and
timely,
prepared
annual
budget
and
propose
proposed
spending
priorities
for
review
and
approved
by
the
finance
committee
and
the
governing
body
be
recognized
as
the
head
of
the
city
government
for
all
ceremony
ceremonial
purposes
and
be
recognized
by
the
governor
for
the
purposes
of
military
law.
I
The
governing
body
includes
the
mayor
currently
and
serves
as
the
principal
policy
maker
of
the
city
and
amends
existing
policies
that
are
consistent
with
the
provisions
of
the
charter
and
shall
consider
the
legislative
agenda
put
forth
by
the
mayor
and
propose
amendments
to
existing
policies
and
propose
new
policies,
and
in
that
sense
it's
self-referential
right,
because
the
mayor
is
part
of
the
governing
body
and
is
also
required
to
consider
his
own
legislative
agenda.
I
As
a
member
of
the
Paul
of
the
of
the
of
the
body,
all
legislative
powers
of
the
city
are
vested
in
the
governing
body
except
those
required
by
law
or
this
Charter,
and
there
are
a
few
points,
I
believe
in
the
charter
and
then
also
in
law
that
delegates
some
some
rule-making
authority
to
certain
bodies
of
the
city,
including
our
ethics,
Mission
and
I,
believe
one
or
two
other
bodies.
But
it's
pretty
limited.
It's
mostly
focused
in
the
governing
body.
I
The
governing
body
shall
fixed
by
ordinance
the
annual
salaries,
the
municipal
judge
and
counselors,
and
that's
that's
where
the
comment
about
the
counselors
K
came
from
earlier.
Currently,
it's
tied
to
class
A
commissioner's
pay
that
could
be
changed
by
ordinance.
It's
not
set
in
in
the
charter
and
the
governing
body
shall
be
ordinance
established.
Independent
salary
review
commission,
whose
sole
purpose
shall
be
to
review
and
set
the
mayor's
salary.
I
There
is
more
definition
of
all
of
these
roles
in
ordinance
as
well,
so
the
charter
is
not
the
end-all
for
what
exists
currently,
but
the
charter
is
much
more
difficult
to
change
and
the
ordinance
need
to
be
read
in
light
of
the
charter.
So
the
charter
is
the
the
authority
that
we
would
look
to
if
there
is
a
conflict
between
ordinance
and
Charter,
and
so
the
city
manager
is
the
chief
administrative
officer
of
the
city.
I
Has
the
authority
to
hire
and
feral,
except
for
City
attorney
and
city
clerk
and
has
such
other
powers
that
are
provided
foreign
city
ordinances
and
state
law?
And
there
are
quite
a
few
duties
established
in
ordinance
I.
Would
the
powers
are
not
broadened
through
ordinance,
but
they
are
sometimes
more
detailed
in
terms
of
what
does
it
mean
to
be
chief,
administrative
officer
of
the
city
and
and
how
hiring
and
firing
occurs
in
the
city?
There's
a
there's,
a
personal
act
and
ordinance
that
describes
that.
I
So
there
was
not
a
reason
described
about
why
to
bring
this
up
other
than
I.
Think
I
know
that
the
reason
is
just
that.
It's
it's
one
of
the
areas
that
is
currently
evolving
in
the
city
based
on
the
prior
changes,
so
this
would
be
a
continuation
potentially
of
that
of
that
conversation
that
occurred
in
Prior,
both
of
the
prior
Charter
commissions
did
touch
on
this
topic,
the
last
one,
much
more
significantly
than
the
2005
one
in
2005.
I
The
primary
change
was
about
the
mayor's
vote
being
not
just
in
ties
and
the,
and
then
that,
in
that
sequence
of
recommendations,
the
recommendation
was
that
the
mayor
be
able
to
break
ties
But.
I
Ultimately,
the
amendment
that
was
adopted
was
that
the
vote
would
be
taken
not
only
in
ties
but
also
in
situations
where
the
vote
was
needed
to
have
to
decide
a
matter,
for
example,
where
maybe
you
just
didn't
I
think
you
know
certain
language
use
cases
require
a
majority
of
the
actual
members,
rather
than
a
majority
of
a
quorum
on,
say
for
rezoning
with
a
negative
recommendation
from
the
Planning
Commission.
I
So
that's
one
example.
I
could
think
of
that.
That
might
have
come
up
in
previously,
but
then
in
the
2013
2012-2013
Charter
commissioned
quite
a
few
changes
were
made.
The
recommendation
was
actually
for
a
40
hour
per
week,
role,
which
ultimately
was
recommended
to
the
voters
as
a
full-time
mayor.
I
So
the
language
got
modified
a
little
bit
between
the
charter,
commission
and
and
the
voters,
and
that's
and
that's
language
that
was
approved,
and
the
charter
commission
also
had
recommended
the
change
about
the
appointments
being
subject
to
con
to
consent
of
the
governing
body
instead
of
advice
and
consent,
which
had
previously
been
the
case
for
at
least
the
city
manager.
I
I
I
What
what
the
situation
is
now
is
that
the
mayor
does
the
point,
the
city
manager
and
the
city
manager,
hires
all
department,
heads
in
the
city
in
terms
of
the
supervisory
role
in
direct
supervision
of
those
people,
the
sole
authority
to
remove,
did
make
it
well.
Actually
it
was
a
little
bit
it's
a
little
bit
modified
right,
so
the
recommendation
was
a
sole
authority
to
remove
for
the
city
manager,
City
attorney,
City,
Clerk
and
department
heads.
I
Obviously,
the
department
heads
part
didn't
get
recommended
to
the
voters,
because
the
hiring
part
was
not
as
well,
but
there
is
still
removal
Authority
for
the
city
manager,
but
only
with
a
super
majority
of
the
council.
So
that
recommendation
was
slightly
modified
as
well
in
between
the
charter,
commission
and
the
voters
by
the
governing
body.
I
The
duty
to
prepare
an
annual
budget
was
recommended,
and
this
and
the
funding
priorities,
and
that
ended
up
both
being
recommended
to
the
voters
and
adopted
and
providing
the
annual
state
of
the
city
to
include
the
mayor's
legislative
agenda,
did
also
get
adopted
by
the
governing
body
for
recommendation
to
the
voters
and
was
adopted
by
the
voters.
I
The
removal
of
language
that
was
just
kind
of
it
seems
like
it
was
somewhat
generic
perform.
Other
duties
compatible
with
the
nature
of
office,
as
the
government
body
made
from
time
to
time
require,
was
removed
from
a
prior.
The
prior
version
of
the
mayor's
duties
and
the
statement
about
the
commission's
recommendations
and
the
purposes
and
for
them
I
thought-
and
this
is
what
I
was
referencing.
They
were
intended
to
move
Santa,
fe's
weak
mayor
into
a
position
of
strength.
I
These
recommendations
include-
and
this
might
be
a
title
of
my
own,
but
either
oh
wait.
It's
either
designated
or
designating
the
mayor
as
a
full-time
position,
allowing
the
mayor
to
vote
on
all
matters,
not
just
in
the
case
of
a
tie
or
matters
that
require
a
majority
to
vote,
allowing
the
mayor
to
continue
to
appoint
the
city
manager,
City,
Clerk
and
City
attorney
with
the
council.
However,
only
the
mayor
May,
remove
these
appointees
and
and
that
the
marijuana
Point
revision,
Department
directors.
I
The
part
of
this
that
I
thought
was
particularly
helpful,
is
or
at
least
to
understand.
The
perspective
of
the
prior
commission
was
the
sentence
that
says
this
recommendation
will
eliminate
the
inherent
conflicts
in
the
current
system
or
council
districts
sometimes
find
their
interest
in
conflict
with
the
best
interest
of
the
say,
the
whole.
I
The
city
council
will
retain
its
ultimate
legislative
power
and
work
out
Fair
compromises
of
their
differences
that
are
in
the
best
interest
of
all
citizens
of
Santa
Fe
I'm,
not
sure
how
the
change
has
helped
with
that
or
not
so
just
something
to
consider.
I
Mayor
Duties
are
set
out
in
here
as
a
basis
for
reference.
They
are
pretty
extensive
as
well.
The
council
powers
are
extremely
Limited
in
Albuquerque's
Charter.
I
Actually,
that's
so
Flagstaff
has
pretty
limited
and
so
does
Boulder,
but
Albuquerque
is
actually
to
include
some
that
are
pretty
similar
to
the
anaphase.
I
So,
just
as
a
point
of
comparison,
there's
a
lot
of
flexibility
here
and
there's
not
many
legal
limitations
on
this
other
than
the
types
of
considerations
that
Marcos
pointed
out
in
terms
of
separation
of
powers.
We
do
require
to
have
a
legislative
and
executive
branch
we
are
required
to,
but
there's
not
much
limitation
on
on
what
the
powers
could
be
or
how
well
defined
they
could
be.
Some
places
are
very
limited
in
their
descriptions
and
and
some
jurisdictions
are
pretty
elaborate.
G
Thank
you
for
that
I'm
going
to
suggest
we
hold
questions
given
we're
at
45
minutes
left
in
the
meeting
and
want
to
leave
plenty
of
discussion
time
for
committees
and
figuring
out
how
we
want
to
move
forward.
So
thank
you
and
next
I
have
is
item
number
G,
which
is
whether
a
city
councilor
has
lost
a
campaign
for
mayor
May
remain
in
office
after
the
inauguration
of
a
new
mayor.
M
Good
afternoon,
once
again,
chair
eyes
and
Commissioners,
there
are
several
relevant
sections.
I
should
say
of
the
city
Charter
that
are
important
in
framing
this
discussion,
the
first
being
section
4.04
of
the
current
city
Charter
election
code,
which
states
as
follows.
Unless
inconsistent
with
this
city,
Charter
or
city
ordinances,
the
local
election,
Act,
nmsa,
1978
sections.
M
Other
relevant
sections
of
the
current
city,
Charter
include
eligibility
term
of
office
and
vacancies
in
office,
which
I
will
now
also
read
section
5.02
eligibility
registered
voters
who
resign
the
city
shall
be
eligible
to
run
for
the
office
of
Mayor,
section
6.05
terms
of
office.
Counselors
shall
be
elected
for
a
term
of
four
years.
Terms
of
office
of
the
two
counselors
from
each
district
shall
be
staggered
so
that
one
counselor
shall
be
elected
from
each
district
at
each
regular
municipal
election
and
lastly,
section
6.06
vacancies
in
office.
M
When
such
a
vacancy
occurs,
the
mayor
shall,
within
30
days,
appoint
a
qualified
elector
from
The
District,
in
which
the
vacancy
has
occurred
to
serve
until
the
next
regular
city
election,
at
which
time
a
qualified
elector
shall
be
elected
to
fill
the
remaining
unexpired
term.
If
any
governing
body
shall
approve
or
disapprove
the
mayor's
appointment.
M
If
the
election
for
mayor
falls
in
the
middle
of
their
four-year
term,
was
this
issue
considered
in
one
of
the
two
prior
Charter
commission's
final
reports?
Yes,
in
the
2012-2013
Charter
commission
final
report,
Council
resignation
to
run
for
mayor
was
considered,
but
not
recommended
by
the
commissioners
a
little
different.
No
reference
was
made
to
this
topic
in
the
2005
Charter
commission
final
report.
M
Moving
on
to
the
next
subjects,
those
being
what
do
other
cities
in
New
Mexico
do
in
relation
to
this
topic
and
what
are
examples
outside
of
New
Mexico
on
this
topic
in
the
City
of
Albuquerque
Charter,
this
topic
is
not
addressed
in
effect.
City
councilors,
who
lose
a
campaign
from
mayor
May,
remain
in
office
as
a
member
of
the
city
council
at
the
inauguration
of
a
new
mayor
in
Albuquerque.
M
Moving
on
to
cities
outside
of
New
Mexico,
the
city
is
reviewed
for
this
topic
outside
of
New
Mexico,
which
includes
several
of
those
previously
discussed
in
this
session,
such
as
Flagstaff
and
Boulder.
Also
do
not
address
this
topic.
A
city
with
a
stipulation
that
a
city
councilor
who
has
lost
campaign
for
mayor
may
not
remain
in
office
after
the
inauguration
of
a
new
mayor
could
not
be
identified
in
preliminary
research.
M
There
are
no
legal
limitations
to
consider
at
this
point,
but
there
are
points
of
law
which
are
also
worth
discussing
to
provide
greater
context.
New
Mexico
does
not
have
a
so-called
resigned
to
run
law.
Such
laws
in
general
require
elected
officials
to
resign
from
their
current
elective
position
to
run.
For
different
elected
office,
there
are
five
states
with
such
laws.
M
The
New
Mexico
local
elections
act
does
not
limit
the
ability
of
a
city
councilor
whose
lost
campaign
for
mayor
to
remain
in
office
after
the
inauguration
of
a
new
mayor,
but
it
also
does
not
appear
to
preclude
such
a
requirement.
Lastly,
are
there
Financial
or
practical
considerations
for
this
proposal?
There
are
not
Financial
considerations
for
this
proposal.
M
However,
a
practical
consideration
for
the
proposal
is
that
the
frequency
of
turnover
on
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
Santa
Fe,
could
increase
if
City
councilors
run
for
mayor
and
are
unsuccessful
and
assuming
the
vacancy
provision
of
the
charter
remained
the
same.
An
incoming
mayor
would
have
the
ability
to
appoint
counselors
into
seats
vacated
by
candidates
from
Air.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
I
will
yield
the
floor.
Thank
you.
G
B
Chair
Ives,
if
I
could
ask
one
question
on
this
topic:
I
don't
know
if
Albuquerque
has
staggered
terms,
but
I
guess
one
way
to
solve
this
I
I
noted
counselor.
Cassette's
comment,
which
is
really
the
issue
for
me,
is
that
I
can
see.
The
counselors
could
be
interested
in
is
that
the
difference
between
election
cycles
for
counselors
puts
them
on
unequal
footing
right
those
that
have
the
same
cycle
as
the
mayor
are
not
on
the
same
footing
as
those
that
don't
and
that's
all
just
by
chance
really.
B
D
G
Sure
we'll
have
one
right
this
moment,
but
and
if
it's
all
right,
why
don't
we
continue
through
the
topics?
And
that
brings
us
to
what
I
have
as
item
H,
whether
if
an
amendment
to
the
New
Mexico
Constitution
allowing
term
limits
for
City
officials
were
approved,
the
city's
Charter
should
include
such
a
limitation
senior
attorney
Martinez.
Thank.
J
You
Mr
chair
I'll,
try
to
be
quick
with
this,
but
let
me
just
read:
well,
you
read
the
topic
so
I'm
going
to
just
proceed
on
the
current
Charter
does
not
address
this
issue.
J
There
was
a
brief
discussion
about
this
topic,
though
in
in
the
governing
body
discussion,
and
that
appears
first
in
the
recitals,
the,
whereas
clause
and
I'll
just
read
briefly,
whereas
the
New
Mexico
Court
of
Appeals
determined
that
the
New
Mexico
Constitution
must
be
amended
before
municipalities,
May,
enforce
term
limits
on
elected
officials,
and
then
there
was
a
very
brief
reference
in
the
council
discussion.
J
J
So
this
was
on
the
minds
of
individual
of
the
mayor
at
least,
and
it
is
reflected
in
the
titles
New
Mexico
voters
have
some
experience
with
local
government
term
limits.
I
will
just
say:
under
the
New
Mexico
Constitution
County
Commissioners
are
limited
to
two
terms:
quote
All
County
officers
after
having
served
two
consecutive
four-year
terms
shall
be
ineligible
to
hold
any
county
office
for
two
years
thereafter.
J
J
So
was
this
issue
considered
in
one
or
one
of
the
two
prior
Charter
commission's
final
reports?
Yes,
tangentially
in
the
2012
and
13
Charter
commission
and
the
2005
commission.
The
prior
commission's
only
looked
at
whether
it
was
permissible
kind
of
like
the
at-large
question
and
finding
the
answer
didn't
recommend
any
action.
J
What
do
other
cities
do
in
relation
to
this
topic?
Not
much
I,
guess
the
only
way
I
would
answer.
This
is
Albuquerque,
went
ahead
and
amended
its
home
Rule
Charter
to
require
term
limits
for
its
counselors,
and
there
was
a
successful
challenge
brought
in
in
New
Mexico
State
Court,
upheld
by
the
court
of
appeals.
J
There
are
examples
of
what
other
cities
do
outside
of
New
Mexico
on
the
topic
and
in
the
case
that
I
referred
to
earlier.
They
said
they
noted
that
that
the
people
who
had
were
proponents
of
the
term
limits
had
cited
to
many
jurisdictions
outside
of
New
Mexico.
They
decided
to
case
a
case
that
relied
on
the
California
Constitution,
so
basically
other
jurisdictions
are
distinguishable
based
on
the
laws
to
govern
those
States.
We
did
note
that
nine
of
the
10
largest
cities
in
the
United
States
have
term
limits
for
elected
City
effect
officials.
J
There
is
a
legal
limitation
to
consider
it's
the
New
Mexico
Constitution
Article
7
section
2
and
the
New
Mexico
courts
relied
on
this
section
to
say
that
the
qualifications
clause
or
for
the
New
Mexico
Constitution,
basically
precluded
a
term
limit
by
home
rule,
Charters
and
I'll.
Just
read
this
briefly:
the
qualifications
Clause
of
New
Mexico's
Constitution
sets
out
in
positive
terms
the
eligibility
requirements
for
persons
to
hold
any
elective
office
within
the
state.
J
It
provides
an
pertinent
part:
hey
every
citizen,
of
the
United
States,
who
is
a
legal
resident
of
the
state
and
is
a
qualified
elector.
Therein
shall
be
qualified
to
hold
any
elective
public
office,
except
as
otherwise
provided
in
this
constitution.
End
quote
so:
I'll
just
jump
to
the
end,
the
financial
or
other
practical
considerations
for
this
proposal.
It's
not
clear
if
and
when
the
New
Mexico
Constitution
may
be
amended
to
allow
for.
J
If
the
city
of
Santa
Fe
included
a
provision
in
its
Charter
sort
of
a
triggering
provision
imposing
terminals
to
be
imposed
at
the
time,
such
limitations
would
be
permitted.
Such
a
change
to
the
Constitution
could
occur
during
an
election
season
or
during
some
other
time
when
the
change
could
be
difficult
to
implement,
and
so
therefore,
a
thoughtful,
effective
date
to
such
provision
could
avoid
some
issues
that
would
arise
depend
being
short
on
time.
I'll
just
move
on
unless
there's
any
pressing
questions.
E
Thank
you,
chair
Ives,
so
I'm
just
gonna
say
what
I
understood,
which
is
New
Mexico's
state
law
does
not
allow
for
term
limits.
It
may
come
up
at
some
time
in
the
future
as
a
home
rule
City,
if
Santa
Fe
decided
to
recommend
term
limits
that
would
trigger
some
sort
of
like
legal
situation
right
because
it's
not
it's
not
allowed
in
in
New
Mexico
law.
So
this
is
kind
of
like
similar
to
what
we
talked
about
at
large
elections
like
it's.
It's
not
legal
right
now.
Is
that
correct.
J
That
is
correct.
I.
Think
part
of
the
question,
though,
was
a
kind
of
a
condition
if
the
New
Mexico
continents
were
amended.
Is
this
something
that
the
charter
commission
would
then
recommend
be
in
place
in
the
event
that
the
constitution
were
amended
to
allow
term
limits?
So
we
could
have
a
provision,
as
we
did
with
ranked
Choice
voting.
J
That
said
that
when
it
becomes
economically
feasible
and
practicable
or
some
such
language,
then
the
city
will
Implement
rank
Choice
voting
or
instant
runoff
voting
I
think
was
the
term
I
used
at
the
next
available
election,
and
so
there
could
be
that
kind
kind
of
triggering
language
in
a
charter
Amendment.
G
Why
don't
we
move
on
then
to
what
I
have
as
item
I,
which
is
whether
the
human
and
civil
rights
policy
statement,
I
presume
in
the
charter,
should
be
more
specific,
with
regards
to
breadth
of
required
protections
and
or
the
manner
in
which
such
rights
shall
be
protected,
and
that
would
at
least
offhand
seem
to
be
a
subset
of
item.
D
I
I
think
the
distinction
between
the
at
large
and
the
term
limits,
at
least
in
terms
of
the
request
to
the
Charter
commission
is
one
was
acknowledged
to
Art
like
there
was
a
awareness
that
one
was
not
permitted
currently
under
the
Constitution,
but
there's
this
idea
that
at
some
point
it
might
be,
maybe
within
the
next
10
years
before
the
next
Charter
commission
meets,
whereas
the
at-large
I
don't
know
that
we
had
identified
that
there
was
a
legal
barrier
to
it
at
the
time
that
that
resolution
was
passed.
I
So
the
the
inquiry
is
a
little
bit
different.
There
one
acknowledges
that
it
is
not
permitted
currently,
but
perhaps
we
should
still
have
something
that
permits
it
when
it's
possible.
Those
are
that
that's
the
distinction
there,
but
in
terms
of
the
human
rights,
human
and
civil
rights
policy
statement,
we
do
currently
have
such
a
statement
in
the
charter
and
it
does.
It
does
prohibit
any
city,
ordinance
resolution
or
policy
from
discriminating
on
the
base
of
ethnicity,
race,
Age,
religion,
Creed,
color,
national.
J
I
Ancestry,
sex,
gender,
sexual
orientation,
physical
or
mental
disability,
medical
condition
or
citizenship
status,
and
it
also
prohibits
any
ordinance
that
would
protect
or
or
it
does
say
that
any
ordinance
enacted
to
protect
or
enhance
these
rights
would
be
subject
to
the
right
of
referendum,
or
it
shall
not
be
subject
to
write
a
referendum
or
initiative,
and
that
we
would
be
required
as
the
governing
body
of
the
city
to
protect
and
promote
human
rights
and
human
dignity
and
shall,
in
the
context
of
employment,
awarding
of
contracts,
housing,
accommodations
and
city
services.
I
The
city
must
prohibit
and
discourage
such
discrimination,
and
it
gives
a
permissive
opportunity
to
the
city
to
enact
ordinances
and
establish
appropriate
commissions
with
jurisdiction,
Authority
and
staff
sufficient
to
effectively
administer
this
policy.
I
I
Other
areas
that
could
be
protected
that
are
not
included
here
could
be
gender
identity,
sexual
identity,
socioeconomic
status,
language,
culture,
natural
or
national
origin,
veteran
status,
political
perspective
or
associate
other
associational
preferences
or
I've
also
seen
a
couple
that
just
generally
said,
associational
preferences,
without
definition
the
other
area
that
it
could
be
changed.
If,
if
the
commission
thought
it
was
helpful
or
recommended
to
be
helpful,
would
be
to
make
it
mandatory
to
enact
certain
ordinances
rather
than
permissive.
So
in
a
few
places,
we've
done
that.
J
I
Policy
statements,
for
example
in
the
code
of
ethics,
the
charter
required
the
governing
body
to
establish
standards
of
ethical
conduct
in
an
ordinance
and
to
provide
consequences
for
violating
such
ethical
standards
and
similarly
in
the
Environmental
Protections
policy
statement.
Actually
in
the
last
Charter
commission
discussion,
that
protection
was
enhanced
to
have
a
mandate
regarding
preserving
everybody,
shall
protect,
preserve
and
enhance
the
city's
Water
Resources
through
regulation
conservation
and
relating
to
development
of
water
ability.
I
So
water
specifically
was
called
out
in
the
last
amendments
to
have
a
shall
statement,
as
opposed
to
recommendations
or
general
policy
philosophy
related
to
environment
and
similarly,
with
campaign
Finance,
we
have
a
shell
statement
that
the
government
body
shall
provide
for
Meaningful
public
financing
of
campaigns.
So
those
are
a
couple
things
that
could
be
considered.
I
Many
cities
in
New
Mexico
do
not
even
touch
this
subject
in
their
Charters.
Albuquerque
has
a
general
statement
very
similar
to
Santa
face,
except
it
does
say
shallow
enact
ordinances
and
shall
establish
appropriate
commission
boards
or
committees.
I
did
not
look
into
what
Albuquerque
interpreted
that
into
in
terms
of
what
they've
done
and
to
accomplish
that
requirement,
but
an
example
of
a
city
that
does
establish
a
very
specific
governance
structure
in
its
Charter
is
New
York
City,
and
that
ordinance
is
here,
for
example,
as
well.
I
I,
don't
think,
there's
any
legal
limitations
that
we
know
of
right
now,
but
we
it
depending
on
what
was
proposed.
We
would
need
to
look
at
whether
or
not
we
would
need
to
consider
state
or
federal
preemption
considerations.
I
There
is
a
human
rights
commission
for
the
state
that
does
here
some
of
these
types
of
complaints,
I'm,
not
sure
if
their
Authority
is
exactly
including
the
same
protected
groups
as
ours
is
or
if
ours
is
more
broad.
We
certainly
could
go
broader
and
that
would
probably
not
have
an
issue,
but
we
would
want
to
look
into
that
and
there's
our
potential
legal
issues
there.
G
Thank
you
so.
G
About
five
minutes
after
five,
we
have
25
minutes
left
in
our
meeting
on
the
agenda.
The
next
item
is
other
topics
raised
by
Commissioners
and
the
public
and
I
would
suggest
we
take
that
up.
G
Briefly,
I
don't
see
today,
as
quite
frankly
as
a
limitation
on
our
capacity
to
identify
other
issues,
and
indeed,
as
we
engage
in
our
public
engagement
campaign,
it
is
likely
that
we
will
be
receiving
other
potential
topics,
but-
and
we
did
not
have
any
comments
from
the
public
but
I
guess
I
would
love
to
go
around
the
room
and
see
what
other
topics
Commissioners
may
have
identified
for
us
to
consider.
G
And
why
don't
we
start
with
our
Commissioners
who
are
online
Madam
chair
long,
do
you
want
to
lead
us
off.
D
G
Let
me
turn
then,
to
commissioner
Perez
and
ask
the
same
question.
E
I
do
have
one
topic
that
I'm
not
even
sure
if
that
would
be
appropriate
for
this.
E
This
commission
to
look
at
but
I
know
that
there's
sort
of
like
a
there's,
a
lot
of
boards
and
commissions
in
the
city
of
Santa
Fe,
some
of
them
like
never
Sunset,
I
I,
wonder
if
we
could
look
at
the
process
of
convening
and
paneling
boards
and
commissions
and
sort
of
regulating
their
their
work
like
how
long
they're
going
to
be
serving
for
when
do
they
Sunset
and
and
if
there's
an
opportunity
to
make
that
that
work
aboard
some
commissions
more
efficient
and
and
effective.
G
Very
good
and
clearly
stated
I
believe
thank
you
there
being
nothing
else,
commissioner
Montoya.
G
Okay
and
I
think
have
we
covered
everybody
who
is
online
I'm,
not
sure
if
we.
G
Had
commissioner
Amador
Guzman
join
at
any
point
in
time.
F
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
I,
appreciate
that
I
just
have
one
thought:
I
did
get
a
chance
to
look
at
some
model
Charters
from
the
national
civic
league,
as
well
as
some
other
resources
online
and
kind
of
compared
their
format
with
what
we
have
clearly.
Ours
is
very
brief
and
to
the
point
and
I'm
sure,
there's
always
room
for
improvement,
but
one
of
the
items
that
I
saw
that
I
would
be
interested
in.
F
Having
is
at
least
look
at
has
to
do
with
financial
management,
specifically
perhaps
looking
at
budget
issues
or
audit
issues
that
that
can
help
us
create
some
legal
Frameworks
that
help
us
develop
some
best
practices.
F
To
assure
that
we
have
a
check
and
balance
system
in
place
on
a
on
an
ongoing
basis
and
and
some
of
the
areas
and
one
of
the
one
of
the
model
budget,
one
of
the
model
formats,
there's
12
different
areas
to
look
at
and
I
know
in
our
Charter.
We
do
have
the
creation
of
an
audit
committee,
but
it's
a
one-liner
and
I'm
sure
there's
room
for
improvement.
So
I
would
like
for
us
to
to
add
to
our
list
some
type
of
financial
management
conversation.
F
G
C
G
Very
good
commissioner
dude
thank.
L
You
I
I
did
find
one
actually
and
I
absolutely
agree
with
councilor
Ortiz
observation
about
the
financial
section
I
just
having
foundational
documents
that
don't
refer
to
money,
I
find
all
the
surprising
so
but
here's
another
the.
When
we
discussed
the
topic
G
about
elections
that
opened
for
me
section
four
of
the
charter
having
to
do
with
elections
more
broadly
and
I
share.
L
Commissioner
Ives
observation
from
earlier
this
evening
that
we
have
huge
disparity
between
the
participation
elections
in
some
districts
versus
others,
and
to
me
that
is
an
Open
Door
for
Injustice
and
so
I
I.
Look
for
ways
to
to
help
that,
and
it
occurs
to
me
that
the
presentation
we
got
last
meeting
Marcus
from
you
about
home
rule
and
what
that
means
and
what
the
history
of
challenges
to
home
rule
Provisions
has
taught
us.
L
There
are
states
in
the
United
States
that
actually
have
automatic
registration
and
if
we
were
able,
as
the
first
instance
in
New
Mexico
of
having
an
experiment
with
automatic
registration,
so
everybody
who
is
here
is
registered
to
vote
then
getting
out.
The
vote
would
be
an
entirely
different
experience.
So
I'd
like
to
have
a
discussion
about
how
home
rule
and
the
election
section
might
intersect.
G
Very
good,
thank
you,
and
commissioner
blundis.
G
Brings
it
back
to
me,
as
I
have
thought
about
that,
but
I
did
have
a
member
of
the
public
raise
one
issue
with
me,
which
relates
to
affordability
of
housing
in
Santa
Fe
and
specifically,
the
person
noted
that
many
of
the
apartment
complexes
that
are
coming
online
are
actually
already
many
people
can't
move
into
them
if
they're
making
a
an
amount
of
income
that
is
above
the
floors
that
allow
folks
to
apply
it
to
reside
in
certain
places,
but
they
don't
make
enough
to
on
their
own
to
actually
afford
the
straight
out
rates.
G
So
they
mentioned
those
two
worlds:
words
that
often
Shake
people's
sensibilities,
rent
control,
and
so
let
me
just
throw
that
out.
There
is
a
possibility
raised
by
a
member
of
the
public
as
another
means
of
trying
to
ensure
that
we
have
a
capacity
to
allow
all
of
our
residents
to
live
and
prosper
in
the
city
of
Santa
Fe.
G
A
particular
one
of
mine
also
is
whether
or
not
we
need
to
address
anything
in
the
charter
with
regards
to
farming
in
the
city
council,
rather
mayor,
Gonzalez
I
and
a
number
of
other
counselors
had
brought
forth
an
ordinance
that
changed
some
of
the.
If
you
will
perspective
and
ability
to
have
Farms
within
the
city,
but
at
least
in
a
recent
green
fire
times
article
by
Pokey,
who
used
to
run
a
farm
in
the
city.
G
He
said
there
have
been
no
new
Farms
since
that
measure
was
passed,
and
this
to
me
gets
to
a
lot
of
fundamental
food
security,
fundamental
capacity
to
be
able
to
enhance
the
sustainability
of
Santa
Fe.
So
personally,
I'd
love
to
consider
whether
or
not
we
proposed
things
like
hydroponic
farming
and
making
available
water
to
accomplish
that
within
our
city
in
such
a
way
that
it
would
allow
for
a
greater
capacity
for
people
to
produce
food
in
our
city.
G
So-
and
let
me
just
mention
one
more
quickly:
King
County
up
in
Washington
years
ago
adopted
what
I,
what
I
refer
to
as
an
equity
lens
for
any
of
the
actions
that
are
taken
by
the
legislative
body
within
the
city
or
within
that
county.
In
this
particular
instance-
and
you
know,
we
do
have
fiscal
impact
reports
currently
that
are
required
in
connection
with
mothers
that
have
fiscal
impact
as
they
come
forward.
We
actually
passed
a
resolution
at
one
point
in
time
to
have
energy
neutrality.
G
Con
impacts
assessed
as
well,
but
that
has
just
Fallen
to
the
Wayside
after
its
sponsor,
it
would
have
been
me
left
Council,
but
I.
Do
wonder
whether
or
not
we
want
to
look
at
trying
to,
and
this
could
be
part
of
our
last
item-
I,
look
at
something
a
little
bit
more
extensive
or
a
little
bit
more
focused
in
terms
of
trying
to
ensure
that,
as
matters
are
considered,
those
issues
of
equity,
diversity,
participation
all
become
part
of
the
assessment.
G
H
Thanks
Dad
I
was
just
going
back.
I
was
just
going
back
to
the
farming.
There
is
a
farm
in
the
city,
however,
it's
on
County
Land
and
they
are
producing
on
like
one-fourth
of
an
acre.
The
problem
with
that
is,
it
was
the
way
it's
designed
it.
It's
like
a
beautiful
nightmare,
because
it's
right
in
the
middle
of
San
Ysidro
Crossing,
where
our
friends
San
Jacinto
cross.
Now
the
our
Fria
Village
has
that
great
big
water
tank
on
this
side
and
there's
some
Roy
on
this
side.
H
H
All
the
food
that's
produced
from
there
does
go
back
to
the
community,
because
I
help
manage
that
farm,
and
we
started
it
three
years
ago
in
the
rock
quarry
with
relationships
with
the
county,
because
that's
the
only
land
I
was
able
to
obtain
access
to
what
there
is
a
farm
and
it's
ran
by
at-risk
youth
through
youth
works
and
another
Collective,
always
L1
and
unity,
resources
and
so
support
as
well.
H
G
So
we
have
now
a
list
of
topics
and
we've
suggested
additional
ones
and
in
our
minutes
item
C
6C
is
a
request
for
the
approval
of
a
finding
that
is,
in
the
best
interest
of
the
public
for
the
charter
review
commission
to
conduct
Charter
review
commission
meetings
virtually
on
certain
dates.
I
Sure
I
was
I
think
we
put
this
on
here
as
kind
of
a
placeholder
and
we'd
like
to.
If
the
commission
is
interested
on
a
future
agenda,
we
would
put
certain
dates
on
the
agenda
to
vote
for.
In
this
particular
case,
we
didn't
have
a
proposal.
I
G
Okay,
in
that
case,
let's
open
it
up
for
discussion.
Anybody
care
to
weigh
in.
B
Cherives
I
think
we
had
discussed
this
at
least
briefly
at
our
last
meeting
that,
because
we
are
meeting
twice
a
month,
we
may
need
to
meet
even
more
as
it
gets
near
the
end
that
it
might
be
more
convenient
for
members
to
call
out
some
meetings
where
we
would
all
attend
virtually
so
I
just
leave
that
out
there
that
it
is
something
we
had
we
had
discussed.
That
might
be,
that
might
work
well
for
us
and
and
for
the
public
too.
G
Well
and
noting
your
particular
circumstance
and
looking
at
numbers
given
the
trifecta
of
a
disease
that
seems
to
be
occupying
our
country
as
well
as
our
state
having
virtual
opportunities
for
people
to
attend
to
me
certainly
seems
highly
in
order,
so
I
would
love
to
get
it
on
the
a
future
agenda
and
I
think
it
makes
sense
for
whenever
we
can
do
that,
to
allow
people
to
participate
virtually
whether
they
themselves
have
illnesses
and
again,
hopefully,
as
we
move
through
our
public
engagement
campaign,
more
people
will
be
interested
in
attending
and
being
able
to
do
it.
K
I
would
just
like
to
to
agree
strongly
because
I
know
the
public
likes
to
participate
when
they
have
an
opportunity
for
a
link
to
click
in
and
make
their
comments.
People
can't
come
down
here
and
Park
and
come
and
sit
in
this
room
necessarily,
but
they
have
opinions
and
that's
what
this
is
all
about.
G
Thank
you
for
that.
Yes,.
F
Mr,
chair
I,
have
a
question
in
terms
of
how
we
proceed
do.
Could
we
vote
on
this
now
and
and
approve
that
option
and
then,
when
the
time
comes
simply
say
we
are
exercising
that
option
to
do
a
meeting
virtually
and
announce
it
at
that
meeting
instead
of
leaving
it
on
the
agenda
each
time
that
would
be
the
most
efficient
way
to
do.
This
is
that
question.
G
I
Yeah
I
agree
that
it
does
say
that
it
doesn't
have
the
dates
themselves,
which
I
think
is
what's
contemplated,
so
just
to
clarify,
we
can
do
virtual
public
participation
without
without
this
vote
and
I
think
any
time
that
we're
meeting
in
the
council
chambers
it's
our
intent
to
provide
for
that,
and
we
had
that
opportunity
today
and-
and
we
would
intend
to
provide
for
that
when
we're
meeting
in
council
chambers
if
we
meet
off-site,
which
Jesse's
going
to
give
some
announcements
about
some
of
the
options
that
there
might
be
at
least
on
city
property,
that
he's
looked
into.
I
It
might
not
be
as
easy
to
accommodate
the
virtual
participation
because
we
don't
have
the
support
of
all
the
technology
in
this
room.
This.
This
is
a
specific
provision,
that's
allowable
under
City
Rules,
as
in
exemption
from
the
city
requirement.
That
commissions
follow
the
open
meetings
act.
I
The
open
meetings
act
typically
wouldn't
apply
to
this
Commission
because
there's
no
you're,
not
a
policy
making
your
advisory,
but
under
City
rule
you
are
subject
to
the
open
means
act
except
for
this
one
exemption,
which
is
that
you
can
vote
to
meet
entirely
virtually
without
it
being
difficult
or
impossible.
So
we
have
the
hybrid
option
for
folks
for
whom
it
is
difficult
or
impossible
to
participate.
But
if
we
wanted
everyone
to
be
able
to
participate
virtually
of
the
Commissioners
and
public,
the
public
is
not
governed
by
the
open
means
outdoor
City
rule.
I
Then
we
would
have
to
take
a
vote
like
this,
but
the
idea
is
to
name
the
dates,
or
at
least
the
series
of
or
the
time
period
during
which
and
to
include
that
information
on
the
agenda.
So
we
could
take
a
vote
that
it's
gonna
be
on
certain
dates,
but
I
think
we'd
still
need
to
put
what
dates.
Those
are
on
a
future
agenda.
D
C
D
I
B
I
I
do
recall
that
some
commissioners
voice
concerns
about
the
March
meetings.
Now
I
don't
know
if
that
meant
that
they
could
attend
virtually
or
they
couldn't
attend
at
all,
but
there
there
certainly
could
be
some
before
then,
but
I
do
recall.
Hearing
that
March
was
a
problem
for
some
folks.
B
G
C
Thank
you,
Mr.
Thank
you.
Mr,
chair
on
the
topic
of
meeting
places,
I've
identified
three
locations
throughout
the
city
that
we
could
hold
meetings
other
other
than
City
Hall.
If
we
wanted
to
the
first
is
the
South
Side
Library
in
their
meeting
room
there
we've
had
City
Council
meetings
there
before
there's.
Also
I
was
looking
at
a
place
at
Midtown
and
what
came
back
to
me
was
Fogelson
Library,
which
is
I,
wouldn't
say
it's
an
ideal
location
I
think
we'd
probably
have
to
transport
some
equipment
there.
C
We'd
have
to
do
that
for
the
South
Side
Library,
but
that
is
an
option
as
well.
The
downside
of
those
two
is
that
there's
no,
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
it
as
a
hybrid
meeting.
It
would
be
a
solely
in-person
meeting.
The
third
option
is
at
Market
Street,
there's
room
there
that
has
a
hybrid
capability
and
so
that
that
would
be
the
third
option
other
than
City
Hall,
so
also
something
to
consider
either
for
the
regular
meetings
or,
if
you're
gonna,
add
additional
meetings.
C
I
As
you
move
into
your
discussion
on
subcommittees.
I
was
just
going
to
suggest
that,
in
addition
to
the
specific
topics
that
you
could
look
at
as
subcommittees,
it
might
be
useful
to
have
one
about
Communications
or
public
engagement,
or
have
that
be
part
of
the
consideration.
We
did
have
the
option
for
written
public
comment
today,
so
that
was
something
we
added
I
think
what
we'll
intend
to
do
unless
we
get
feedback,
otherwise,
is
to
use
a
similar
option
at
the
next
meeting.
I
But
if,
if
anyone
sees
any
issues
with
how
we
set
it
up
for
this
meeting,
it
could
be
improved.
We're
open
to
that
feedback
and
a
presentation
that
we
were
looking
at
potentially
doing
for
the
next
meeting
is
on
the
elements
of
the
charter,
which
I
think
goes
to
the
idea
of
model.
Charters
I
think
we're
finding
there's
a
great
breadth
of
the
ones
out
there
for
sure.
So
that's
just
something
we're
looking
at
offering
in
terms
of
some
some
background
information
at
the
next
commission
meeting
in
January.
Thank
you.
D
D
K
Okay,
as
in
terms
of
the
public
engagement
and
communication,
counselor
I
was
wondering
if
there
could
be
some
publicity
in
the
local
newspaper
at
the
very
least,
some
PSAs
on
radio,
or
something
that
your
city
Charter
is
being
reviewed
and
you
as
a
resident
of
this
community,
can
have
input,
and
we
would
like
to
hear
from
you
whether
that
go
I,
don't
know
if
that's
gone
out
on
Facebook,
it
could
go
out
on
Nextdoor,
because
participation
in
our
process
seems
to
me
to
be
the
goal.
G
H
H
F
Mr,
chair
just
a
question:
there
were
five
different
additional
suggestions.
Are
we
assuming
we're
going
to
include
them
with
the
ones
on
the
list
that
were
mandated
to
look
at
or
and
and
so
I
guess?
That's.
The
next
item
is
the
subcommittees,
the
appointment
of
the
subcommittees
and
how
we
can
figure
all
that
and
how
we
configure
the
the
nine
that
we
currently
have
plus
the
five
that
we
just
suggested.
B
But
I
would
recommend
if,
if
our
City
attorney
agrees
is
that
the
recommended
issues
that
maybe
we
have
a
presentation
on
and
that
we
don't
assign
those
to
subcommittees
yet
and
because
we've
got
a
lot
of
topics
to
to
refer
to
subcommittees
the
way
I
look
at
it
right
now
and
that
we
could
create
a
subcommittee
for
for
those
additional
topics.
After
we
hear
from
City
staff
about
them,.
G
And
Madam
and
Sherry
I
know.
The
next
item
was
appointment
of
subcommittees.
Was
that
something
yeah
it
sounds
like?
We
might
want
to
bump
that
to
the
next
meeting.
I,
don't
know
if
you
have
any
input
for
us
at
this
point
in
time
about
your
thoughts
on
what
committees
make
sense
in
the
instance
and
then
whether
or
not
we
could
be
in
contact
individually
with
you
to
say
these
are
topics
that
I'm
particularly
interested
in.
Please
sign
me
up.
B
Yeah
I
I've
been
making
some
notes
about
that,
just
based
on
what
I'm
hearing
and
and
what
interests
are,
but
I
think
that's
a
great
idea
that
that
I
hear
from
you
that
the
city
hears
from
you
and
just
individually
and
not
to
the
whole
group
of
what
you
might
be
interested
in
and
and
then
we
can
try
to
guide
that
toward
what
it
is
that
you
want
to
weigh
in
on
I'm
thinking
that
we'll
group
together,
the
number
of
city
council
districts
with
the
appropriate
number
of
City
councilors,
and
maybe
the
issue
of
if
you've
lost
a
campaign.
B
Can
you
stay
in
office?
That's
a
lot,
but
those
seem
to
go
together
and
then
the
full-time
counselor
and
mayor
as
executive
and
more
defined
roles.
Those
all
seem
to
go
together
and
then
the
Civil
Rights
policy
is
kind
of
out
there
on
its
own
and
I
know.
Alicia
would
be
good
at
looking
at
that.
B
So
those
are
the
that's
what
I'm
looking
at
in
terms
of
grouping
them,
but
I'm
open
to
suggestions
even
at
our
next
meeting,
and
that
we
try
to
have
at
least
three
people
on
each
subcommittee
and
then
we
can
talk
about
the
staff
that
will
help
us
through
that
on
the
subcommittee.
Maybe
it's
the
one,
the
staff
that
reported
on
those
issues
this
evening,
but
I
can
work
with
with
the
city
staff
on
that.
G
Certainly
all
sounds
very
reasonable.
Commissioner
Perez
did
you
have
a
comment.
E
Or
please,
let's
thank
you,
chair
Ives,
I,
agree
with
what
just
was
said:
I
feel
like
there's
sort
of
like
a
mechanics
of
it
all
part,
which
is
a
number
of
districts
number
of
counselors
and
the
term
limits
question
then
there's
the
governance
pieces
right,
the
other
items
that
you
mentioned
and
I
think
that
we
could
maybe
bring
together.
E
You
know
this
I,
this
item
I
with
the
human
rights,
human
and
civil
rights
policy,
that
to
me
kind
of
goes
along
with
many
of
the
things
that
that
your
Ives
mentioned
today
in
terms
of
like
an
equity
banging
an
equity
lens
to
everything
the
city
does
around
housing
around
climate
stuff,
so
I
think
that
those
could
be
sort
of
like
lumped
together
too.
E
I
would
suggest
that
we
we
try
not
to
have
too
many
committees
right,
because
there's
not
that
many
of
us
so
maybe
like
Capital,
like
maybe
three
or
four
subcommittees,
and
then
we
can
really
you
know
have
so
that
somebody
doesn't
have
to
be
in
like
three
subcommittees
on
top
of
these
these
meetings.
That
would
be
my
my
suggestion
and
I'm
happy
to
think
this
through
I
have
a
question
about
process.
G
And
just
on
that
point
one
item
we
always
have
to
be
careful
of
is
What's
called
the
rolling
Quorum.
Where
and
that's
why
chair
long
was
just
saying:
don't
send
your
email
out
to
everybody
because
all
of
a
sudden
we're
acting
outside
of
the
scope
of
the
meeting
in
the
open
meetings
act
and
we
don't
want
to
get
in
trouble
in
that
way.
So
I
I
think
the
suggestion
to
send
thoughts
and
comments
to
chair
long
in
the
interim.
G
And
I
did
want
to
just
mention
in
terms
of
the
engagement
I
did
appear
this
past
Friday
on
Richard
Eads
radio
show,
and
we
spoke
about
the
work
of
the
commission
I'm,
trying
to
line
up
to
speak
on
Que
Suave,
probably
with
Esteban
Gonzalez,
and
to
start
to
get
the
word
out
that
way.
I
have
spoken
with
the
school
board
president.
Currently,
although
she
is
cycling
out,
I
believe
of
that
position
eventually
so
I
think
they
will
have
input
for
us,
I
hope
to
engage
chamber.
G
My
daughter
is
serves
there
and
the
Realtors
as
well
so
I
think
we,
each
of
us
have
some
capacity
to
start
that
process
of
reaching
out
and
using
our
own
social
media
links
to
get
that
word
out
and
hopefully,
I
would
have.
We
could
have
as
a
topic
at
the
next
meeting,
perhaps
a
more
formalized
proposal
from
staff
on
that,
and
that,
of
course,
then
implicates
potentially
budgetary
items
associated
with
print
advertising
and
other
things.
So
that
would
be
a
wonderful
addition
to
our
next
agenda.
G
If
I
might
chair
along.
B
Yes
and
thank
you
for
getting
on
the
radio
and
continuing
your
efforts,
I
think
I
was
tasked
with
at
the
last
meeting
contacting
the
newspapers
at
least
Santa
Fe
New
Mexico
may
be
doing
some
sort
of
op-ed
or
ask
them
to
do
an
article
about
it.
So
I
will
do
that
after
the
first
of
the
year,
foreign.
G
Often
the
question
is
asked
anything
for
the
good
of
the
order
before
we
well.
Let
me
just
say
our
next
meeting
Thursday
January
12th
five
to
seven
here
as
far
as
I
know
and
anything
else,
for
the
good
of
the
order.