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A
A
To
order
and
note
that
it's
502
pm
I'll
ask
for
a
roll
call
from
Elizabeth.
B
B
May
we
come
back
I'll
come
back
to
commissioner
Pettit
present
chair
long
here,
chair
long,
yes,
I'm
here,
commissioner
Ortiz
here
you
have
a
quorum
Madam
chair.
A
F
I
will
move
to
approve
the
agenda.
Commissioner
Montoya.
G
Second,
that
commissioner,
ortizen
and
I
just
have
to
congratulate
and
thank
our
recorder
for
the
good
job
that
she's
doing
on
the
minutes.
Thank
you
so
much
thank.
A
Okay,
all
in
favor
of
approving
the
agenda,
please
say:
aye
aye,.
G
B
D
B
Yes,
okay,
commissioner
blondes.
This
is
the
vote
for
the
commissioner
blondes.
Yes,
commissioner,
dear
deck,
yes,.
C
A
G
J
B
J
A
question
chair
long
I
asked
about
the
minutes
today:
I
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
receiving
the
minutes.
I,
don't
know
how
you
all
are
receiving
the
minutes.
F
Don't
sorry,
commissioner,
this
is
commissioner
Montoya
I
did
not
have
the
minutes
attached
to
my
agenda
either.
A
D
So
I
think,
are
you
saying
in
the
email
that
folks
didn't
get
the
minutes
because
that's
absolutely
accurate,
yes
and
I,
don't
think
anyone
got
them
via
email
and
probably
we
should
have
done
a
little
bit
of
a
a
prime
gov
tutorial,
which
is
how
we're
managing
all
of
our
committees
right
now
at
the
city.
So
if
you
go
on
the
city's
website
to.
D
Middies
and
agendas,
and
then
all
of
them
are
listed
there
by
the
Friday
before
the
meeting
happens
and
then
the
minute.
So
all
the
attachments
for
an
agenda
are
listed
there
as
well,
so
any
uploaded.
So
we
had
uploaded
all
the
like
the
topic
sheets.
The
week
we
did
that
were
uploaded
there
and
they're
still
there.
So
you
can
look
at
any
prior
meeting
and
then
what's
also
really
nice
about
the
system.
D
Is
it
connects
to
the
YouTube
video
and
then
is
also
linked
by
topic
to
the
YouTube
video
so
and
I
have
gotten
so
used
to
this
system.
I
forget
that
everyone
else
doesn't
use
it
on
a
every
hour
basis.
Essentially-
and
probably
all
the
rest
of
the
team
also
is
in
that
situation,
but
all
of
our
public
meetings
are
now
listed
on
this
Prime
gov
system.
D
I
find
it
very
easy
to
manage,
but
if
anyone
has
any
issues
with
it,
we
do
have
a
pretty
close
relationship
with
our
kind
of
Fix-It
team
and
we
were-
and
we
were
one
of
their
earlier
clients,
so
they've
been
really
working
with
us
to
update
things.
So
we
absolutely
appreciate
feedback
on
it
as
well,
but
I
do
apologize,
we
didn't
I,
don't
think
doing
orientation
on
that
system
at
all.
So
that
is
where
the
minutes
will
be
loaded
to
the
agenda.
A
A
A
Okay,
next
to
public
comment:
do
we
have
anyone
Conor
I
assume
not,
but
do
we
have
anyone
that
wants
to
make.
E
C
A
A
I
Thank
you
very
much.
Yes
indeed,
and
Alicia
and
Maria
are
other
members
of
this
subcommittee
and
wise
counsel
is
all
Pats.
We
met
and
have
another
meeting
scheduled.
I
So
we
looked
at
these
four
items
and
in
one
case
the
matter
of
resigned
to
run
you'll.
Remember
that's
item
number
G
on
your
docket
right.
We
developed
some
alternative
ways
of
approaching
it,
and
we
know
that
at
an
upcoming
meeting,
perhaps
even
this
coming
week,
we
will
need
to
Bear
Down
On,
which
ones
we
prefer
or
which
ones
do,
we
least
prefer,
and
so
there's
some
prioritization
starting
already.
We
know
enough
about
the
issue
so
that
prioritization's
starting
to
become
possible
beyond
that.
I
The
more
detailed
and
perplexing
items
are
the
number
of
districts
and
the
number
of
counselors
per
district
and
we're
starting
to
sort
out
what
the
implications
are
of
different
numbers
and
different
combinations
of
those
two
numbers.
It's
becoming
obvious
that
it's
hard
to
analyze,
either
a
or
b
in
isolation
from
the
other,
and
so
you
just
sort
those
and
and
we're
making
we're
making
progress.
But
it
doesn't
surprise
me
my
colleagues
can
correct
me
if
they
think
it's
differently.
They
think
differently.
I
But
it
doesn't
surprise
me
that
that
is
the
part
of
this
agenda.
That's
going
to
take
a
few
iterations
before
Clarity
begins
to
appear.
I
Having
said
all
that,
we
started
this
process
by
talking
about
the
values
we
want
to
bring
to
each
of
the
prepositions
we're
analyzing
and
we
it.
It
seems
to
me
and
again
chime
in
if
you
think,
if
you
think
I'm
overextending,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
what
these
values
do
for
us
is
either
show
us
what
values
we
apply
uniformly
to
all
the
questions
or
it
shows
us
which
questions
require
prior
prioritization,
of
which
value
and
and
those
are
two
different
ways
of
dealing
with
values.
I
And
so
that's
going
to
be
in
front
of
us
as
well.
But
I
think
that
summarizes
our
discussion
of
our
last
week's
meeting
and
we
will
go
at
it
again
this
coming
week
and
hopefully
make
a
good
deal
more
progress
reported
to
you
as
soon
as
we
can.
A
That's
very
good,
thank
you
for
that
report
and
thank
you
for
meeting.
Are
there
any
questions
of
this
of
this
committee?
I'll
be
interested
to
hear
about
your
varying
methods
of
dealing
with
the
the
resignation
to
run
for
mayor
issue,
so
sounds
intriguing.
I
And
I
think
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
Nancy,
that
that
we
defined
a
minimum
change,
a
medium
change
and
a
maximum
change,
and
we
are
raging
up
and
down
that
scale.
A
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Yes,
we
we've
met
once
and
actually
there's
only
two
of
us.
Of
course
we
had
our
Stellar
attorney,
Mr
Martinez,
join
us
and
and
help
keep
us
legal
and
because
there's
just
the
two
of
us,
we
pretty
much
talked
about
process
and
what
we're
going
to?
G
What
we're
thinking
of
in
terms
of
how
to
put
our
arms
around
this
issue
and
and
deal
with
that,
of
course,
we're
talking
about
whether
City
councilors
should
be
full-time,
whether
the
roles
of
the
mayor
and
the
counselors
and
the
manager
should
be
better
to
find
whatever
the
mayor's
role
should
be
purely
executive
or
legislative
or
combination,
as
well
as
reviewing
the
financial
management
pieces
of
the
charter.
G
So
in
talking
about
the
process
we
we
talked
about.
Let
me
back
up.
We
looked
at
a
model
tartar
outline
that
talked
about
determining
what
things
would
be
relevant
for
inclusion
and
Charter
and
what
things
might
not
be
in
and
to
make
that
decision
early
on
and
and
because
we've
been
given
a
mandate
to
address
several
issues,
not
of
our
own
selection.
G
We
believe
that
as
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
these
items,
not
necessarily
determining
if
they
belong
in
the
charter
but
researching
them,
analyzing
studying
them
and
determine
if
there's
language
that
needs
to
be
pass
forward
to
the
city,
whether
it
should
be
included
in
the
charter.
Perhaps
it
could
go
further
to
be
in
an
ordinance
or
or
maybe
an
administrative
measure,
but
because
we've
been
asked
to
study
these
we're
going
to
study
them
and
and
do
our
best
estimate
to
determine
if
it
should
be
Charter
material
or
not.
G
So
we're
looking
at
the
current
Charter
examining
that,
along
with
the
model
practices
that
we've
gotten
and
our
attorney
Marco
status,
a
a
excellent
two
inch
thick
document.
That's
got
all
of
the
model
language
of
Charters
throughout
the
country
and
that's
a
really
good
resource
and
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
our
courage,
Charter
and
cross
rocking
that
with
these
model
practices,
since
there
was
only
two
of
us
Commissioners
there
we've
each
taken
a
section
and
for
our
next
meeting,
which
is
this
coming
week.
G
We're
going
to
have
samples
of
what
our
current
Charter
contains
in
that
particular
subject,
area
that
we're
each
working
on
and
then
we're
going
to
be
crosswalking
that
with
the
model
practices,
so
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
just
in
terms
of
putting
our
arms
around
and
getting
the
handle
on
what
the
current
Charter
looks
like
what
the
model
is
suggesting
might
look
like
to
see
what
Improvement
is
needed.
G
What
Improvement
is
evident,
what
voids
they
are
based
on
our
existing
Charter
and
and
what
language
or
or
what
parameters
could
be
included
to
improve
our
existing
Charter
again,
looking
at
a
charter
that
advances
the
Public
Welfare
of
our
community,
the
other
thing
we
talked
about-
and
this
might
be
a
legal
issue
in
terms
of
organizing
our
Charter,
we
just
in
the
first
quick
look.
It
appears
that
many
of
the,
for
example,
the
financial
issues,
audit
issues.
G
There
are
different
places
within
the
charter
and
it
appears
that
perhaps
a
reorganization
of
the
charter
would
make
it
more
user
friendly
in
terms
of
people
looking
at
it
in
terms
of
finding
all
the
relevant
documentation
in
one
subject
matter
in
one
place.
Now
we
don't
know
because
the
elements
of
the
charter
have
already
been
approved
by
the
electorate.
If
it's
possible
did
the
the
community
approve
the
format
I
I
don't
know.
Can
we
without
changing
the
language?
G
That's
already
been
approved,
restructure
the
organization
of
the
document,
that's
a
legal
question
and
if
that's
the
case
that
we'll
continue
pursuing
trying
to
organize
the
different
subject
pieces
together.
So
that's
that's
a
question
we
have,
but
but
we're
just
in
the
very
beginning
stages
of
it
and
we
hope
to
have
our
third
member
with
us
at
our
our
next
meeting
and
and
really
get
into
the
weeds.
We've
scheduled
two
more
meetings,
and
so
we're
we're
ready
to
to
dissect
this
and
see
what
improvements
we
can.
J
E
A
You,
okay
and
if
I
could
ask
a
question:
commission
Ortiz,
they
you
said
you
you're
looking
at
some
of
these
issues,
kind
of
with
a
lens
of
maybe
it
should
be
an
ordinance
instead
rather
than
in
the
charter.
Does
that
apply
to
the
finance
Financial
issues
and
audit
issues
as
well.
G
Well,
no,
because
the
other
three
issues
we
were
asked
to
look
at
by
the
city
council
or
in
the
mayor,
and
so
we
feel
we
need
to
respond
back
to
them
in
that
regard.
But
but
I
think
to
be
honest
with
you,
we
didn't
discuss
whether
that
one
should
be
treated
differently.
We
didn't
really
discuss
that,
but
it
makes
sense
to
me
that
we
should
look
at
them
all
with
the
same
lens
and
the
same
screen
and
the
same
analysis
process.
G
So
we
really
haven't
made
a
determination
whether
that
would
be
treated
differently
in
our
analysis.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
work
and
the
third
committee
is
the
human
rights
social
issues.
I,
don't
know
if
this
one
has
had
a
chance
to
meet
I
know
the
chair
is
commissioner,
Ives
and,
and
he
had
been
out
of
town.
So
why
don't
I
ask
one
of
the
other
members
of
the
committee.
Those
are
Commissioners
granillo,
Peterson
and
blonde
us.
If
there's
any
comment
regarding
this
committee,
any
report.
A
A
H
We
did
actually
meet,
it
was
commissioner
Grinnell
and
commissioner
pattis
I
believe
joined
us
briefly
and
at
that,
during
that
period
we
talked,
and
we
reviewed
what
the
charter
says.
We
discussed
whether
or
not
the
wording
seemed
to
be
extensive
enough,
and
that
was
really
we
had
counselor
Murphy
join
us.
He
is
to
be
assisting
our
particular
subcommittee
as
I
understand
it
in
the
interim.
H
I
did
request
that
we
be
able
to
at
least
look
at
and
study
a
city
that
would
be
comparable,
that
I
recommended
to
Connor
a
city
in
Central
Missouri,
that
is
the
home
of
the
University
of
Missouri.
Two
other
colleges
about
a
hundred
thousand
people
very
racially
diverse,
very
multi-ethnic
with
a
city
council,
mayor,
Charter,
City
form
of
government.
H
They
have
a
charter,
and
then
I
also
noticed
that
commissioner
Ives,
just
before
the
meeting
sent
some
materials
that
he
had
pretty
extensive
amounts
which
I
have
not
had
a
chance
to
look
through.
As
I
said,
they
arrived
between
4,
30
and
5,
so
I
would
be
interested
and
I.
Believe.
Commissioner,
reneo
would
also
in
looking
at
the
government
governance
of
Columbia
Missouri,
a
progressive
City
in
the
Midwest
and
I
believe
commissioner
Ides
referred
to
a
city
in
Washington
state
I,
don't
know
the
size
of
it.
H
A
F
A
Up
not
saying
we
won't
but
I
think
we'd
like
to
hear
more
about
it
and
actually
vote
on
it,
and
then
we
can
take
it
from
there
so
that
we're
not
going
off
in
a
lot
of
different
directions.
So
I'll
I'll
find
out
what
that's
about
before
our
next.
C
A
So,
thank
you
very
much
for
that
report
and
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
meeting
next
is
our
are
there
any
questions
for
commissioner
blondes
should
have
asked.
A
I
Do
you
all
heard
me
two
meetings
ago,
when
I
described
a
concern
that
I
and
the
people
I
talked
to
Carrie,
and
that
is
that
this
seems
to
me
and
and
to
us
to
be
a
an
opportunity
to
look
at
the
conduct
of
democratic
process
in
our
city
and
indeed
in
a
time
of
national
experience,
when
emphasis
on
Democracy
is,
is
more
democratic
in
some
places
and
less
so
in
others,
the
moral
imperative
around
it
just
becomes
heightened
so
I
have
looked
into
it
and
I've
discovered
that
we
do
have
an
opportunity
to
make
a
a
municipal,
that
is
to
say
local
change.
I
In
the
way
we
qualify
people
to
vote,
they
can
be
qualified
to
vote
according
to
rules
that
the
city
would
adopt
and
that
they
can
in
in
this
particular
case,
could
extend
the
the
franchise
to
people
who
are
younger
than
the
rules
that
apply
to
the
state
as
a
whole.
For
instance,
one
must
be
18
in
order
to
register
to
vote
throughout
New
Mexico,
but
it
would
be
possible
for
Santa
Fe
ins
to
begin
voting
at
16
for
local
elections.
I
Only
now
this
it
happens
that
this
year
is
the
10th
anniversary
of
that
procedure
being
followed
in
a
city
here
in
the
United
States
and
there's
a
city
in
in
Maryland.
That's
named
Topeka,
if
you
can
imagine
Topeka
Maryland
and
they
they
took
this
action
10
years
ago,
and
other
cities
across
the
country
have
been
watching
them
and
have
been
and
are
at
various
stages
of
making
such
a
similar
decision.
I
I
think
the
more
interesting
part
of
my
Discovery
since
the
last
time
we
talked
has
been
that
both
the
United
States
Congress
has
considered
this
matter,
and
our
legislature
commit
has
considered
the
matter
and
those
of
us.
Those
who
are
members
of
those
bodies
and
are
Santa
feins,
were
advocates
in
both
cases
and
are
on
the
record
as
having
voted
in
favor.
They
have
not
yet
achieved
a
majority,
but
that's
where
they
are,
and
so
I
have
spoken
to
people
who
were
involved
in
both
processes.
I
My
most
fulsome
conversation
I
was
in
another
meeting
on
another
subject
with
Senator
worth,
and
he
explained
to
me
that
in
the
last
session,
a
short
session,
in
fact
there
was
something
called
Senate,
Bill,
eight
and
Senate
Bill
8
was
an
Omnibus
Bill.
That
would
affect
all
kinds
of
voting
circumstances
and
and
expand
them
and,
of
course,
in
a
short
session,
it
died
in
committee.
It
died
a
noble
death,
but
it
but
dead.
I
It
is,
and
he
assured
me
that
they
are
now
in
the
process
of
disaggregating
Senate
Bill
8
and
they
will
take
it
up
piecemeal,
which
is
probably
what
they
should
have
done
in
the
first
place,
but
Senator
Hamblin,
Terry
Hamblin.
Some
of
you
are
aware
of
her.
She
will
be
carrying
this
and
the
particular
item
on
an
earlier
voter
age
is
likely
to
come.
I
I
If,
indeed,
the
commission
allows
us
to
take
a
look
at
this
for
the
sake
of
Santa,
Fe
I
think
what
I
will
be
saying
consistently
is
I'll
bring
reports
of
of
where
the
United
States
Congress
is
on
this
and
where
our
legislature
is
on
this,
and
if
it
should
happen
that
they
take
action
before
we
do
I'll,
let
you
know-
and
we
can
just
withdraw
but
but
prior
to
that,
I
know
that
legislators
in
New
Mexico
would
take
it
as
instructive
and
useful
if
Santa
Fe
were
to
exert
some
leadership.
I
So
that's
that's
kind
of
the
status
I.
Think
I've
said
to
you
before
that.
The
reasons
these
that
this
change
would
be
beneficial
are
that
it
would
allow
school
districts
that
have
the
the
school
district
here
in
Santa
Fe
that
teaches
Civics,
for
instance,
or
teaches
social
involvement
to
teach
about
voting
and
to
give
young
people
a
chance
to
vote
and
give
people
16
and
17
prior
to
leaving
the
high
school
a
chance
to
participate
in
this
process.
I
People
who
don't
vote
at
all
are
people
who
haven't
started
voting
it's
starting,
that's
the
hurdle,
and
so
we
have
districts
in
the
city
where
voting
is
far
more
prevalent
than
in
other
districts,
and
that
leads
to
inequities.
And
it's
my
view
that
anytime
we
encounter
Democratic
inequities.
We
need
to
deal
with
them,
so
I
think
that
summarizes
what
this
is
about
and
when
it's
discussed
in
a
committee
it
could
be
elaborated
and
and
more
questions
needing
research
could
be
articulated,
and
some
research
be
done.
A
G
Commissioner
Ortiz
thank
you,
madam
chair
I'm.
Just
trying
to
put
my
arms
around
what
the
subject
matter
is.
Is
it
simply
dealing
with
voter
age
or
are
there
going
to
be
other
voter
issues
that
are
going
to
be
considered
and
potentially
included
that
make
it
different
for
the
City
of
Santa
Fe
than
any
other
city
in
the
state
of
New
Mexico,
just
trying
to
get
a
better
feel
for
it?
Because
I've
seen
in
the
legislature,
hours
of
conversations
and
discussions
about
the
16
year
olds
voting
and
that?
G
And
if
you
couple
that
with
lots
of
other
issues,
then
we're
dealing
with
a
big
piece.
So
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
what
we're
considering
looking
at
and
what
we're
voting
on
this
evening
to
be
included
as
one
of
our
research
initiatives.
I
Thank
you,
and,
and
pardon
me
for
my
difficulty
with
my
illumination
there.
It
comes
thank
you
for
the
question.
Indeed,
I
only
intend
to
pursue
the
age
question,
because
it's
strictly
that,
and
only
that
and
and
it's
because
quite
as
you
say,
each
of
these
subjects
gets
very,
very
deep
and
and
Broad
and
people
have
lots
of
views
about
it.
And
this
one
seemed
to
me
at
least
and
to
the
few
people.
I've
talked
to
as
one
that
is
clearer
and
more
accessible
than
some
of
the
more
expansive
ones.
A
A
I
thought
so
is
there
a
second
to
the
motion
to
take
up
this
topic?
There
is
second,
thank
you,
commissioner,
Perez,
or
is
there
any
discussion
on
the
motion
to
take
up
the
topic
of
lowering
the
voting
age
to
16
for
City
elections
as
part
of
our
Charter?
Okay?
Let's
take
a
roll
call
vote
on
including
that
item.
B
Yes,
commissioner,
deirdek.
F
C
B
For
now,
okay,
commissioner
Pettis
aye
chair
law,
yes
motion.
A
B
K
A
Okay,
so
the
motion
passes
and
I
need
to
refer
this
to
a
committee.
I
know
it
is
commissioner
dyrdeks
initiative,
but
I
think
it
makes
most
sense
to
send
it
to
the
human
rights
social
issues.
Committee
and
I
know.
A
Commissioner
Pettis
has
had
some
interest
in
in
these
voting
and
and
voter
issues,
since
they
have
just
one
item
right
now:
I
think
that
makes
the
most
sense
if
that
committee
is
fine
with
that.
A
Okay
and
on
to
the
issue
of
other
topics,
are
there
any
other
topics
that
any
Commissioners
would
like
to
propose
that
we
take
up
or
to
discuss
for
a
further
vote
in
the
future.
A
K
Until
I
read
the
minutes
of
Madam
chair,
that
I
was
chairing
the
human
rights
and
social
institutions
committee,
but
happy
to
be
doing
that
and
I
have
communicated
out
to
the
committee
today.
K
Copying
you
as
a
member
of
all
of
the
Committees
and
so
I'm,
not
sure
what
specific
item
has
been
allocated
to
the
committee
so
far,
but.
A
Yes,
commissioner,
you
have
item
I
from
the
resolution
which,
whether
the
human
and
civil
rights
policy
statement
should
be
more
specific,
with
regards
to
breadth
of
required
protections
and
or
the
manner
in
which
such
rights
should
be
protected.
And
we
knew
that
we
would
be
adding
some
more.
K
K
K
One
of
these
sorry,
my
system
is
having
issues
one
of
the
items
I
had
sent
out
to
the
subcommittee
members
dealt
with
a
sort
of
equity
lens
which
gets
to
that
particular
topic,
so
I
I
think
we
certainly
could
address
issues
within
that
context.
K
The
other
one
I
would
propose
to
take
up
is
Agriculture
and
the
promotion
of
Hydroponic
and
aquaponic
structures
in
the
city
to
dealing
with
the
city's
sustainable
food
future
and
had
sent
out
a
link
to
folks
identifying
some
resources
there,
but
I
think
that's
we
of
course,
excuse
me
the
cities,
food
policy
committee
and
I
think
I'm,
remembering
that
correctly,
but
I
may
not
have
the
name
exactly
correct.
You
know,
I
did
identify
food
deserts
and
hunger
as
issues
within
the
community.
K
So
looking
at
agriculture
in
a
new
and
different
way
with
the
committee
with
the
possibility
of
adding
something
to
the
Charter
I
think
would
help
to
address
that
particular.
What
I
would
call
human
right
and
basic
social
issue
so
hoping
to
take
up
agriculture
as
a
broad
statement,
but
specifically
more
water.
A
Commissioner
Ives
and
you
may
not
have
been
there,
but
but
our
process
for
bringing
items
forward
and
I
know
you
mentioned
both
of
these
at
our
at
our
December
meeting
is
that
we
will
vote
on
any
additional
topics
that
are
to
be
considered
by
the
commission
as
a
whole
before
it
goes
to
a
committee
and
before
staff
is
asked
to
spend
time
to
analyze
and
and
weigh
in
on
issues
just
so
that
we
know
we're
all
in
support
of
that
we're
spending
our
our
resources
wisely.
A
So
I
don't
know
if,
if
members
of
the
commission
want
to
weigh
in
on
these
or
if
people
feel
like,
they
may
need
some
more
information.
But
these
are
the
two
issues
that
councilor
Ives
is
proposing:
the
agriculture
sort
of
water
sensitive
as
I
understand
it,
agriculture
policy
and
the
equity
lens.
A
F
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
well
I,
agree
that
obviously,
the
the
notion
of
food
security
ought
to
be
right.
I
guess
I'm
curious
about
addressing
it
in
a
in
a
charter
and
whether
you
know
of
any
other
cities
that
have
done
this
or
what
sort
of
idea
you
have
on
how
this
would
be
addressed
in
the
city,
Charter.
K
It
would
be
one
to
address
the
elimination
of
food
insecurity
and
food
deserts
across
the
city
and
to
identify
at
least
the
mechanism
I,
think
that
makes
sense
in
the
Arid
Southwest
for
addressing
that
issue,
which
is
to
promote
the
use
of
greenhouses
that
recirculate
water
and
one
might
even
additionally
suggest
in
the
charter
that
utilizing
some
special
rates
at
the
utility
company,
the
city's
water
utility
company
to
promote
that
might
be
in
order
as
well.
K
There
are
any
number
of
ordinances
that
are
starting
to
come
up
across
the
country
dealing
with
these
issues
and
printing
houses
are
being
identified
as
accessory
use
units
for
properties,
but
I.
E
K
Must
admit
my
own
thinking
is
that
in
places
like
the
300
acres
of
Tierra
contenta,
that
has
yet
to
be
developed.
Setting
aside
some
property
and
putting
in
greenhouses-
and
this
might
also
be
done
in
the
Northwest
Quadrant-
would
make
sense
from
the
perspective
of
again
upping
the
sustainability
of
the
city
in
the
long
term.
A
Any
other
questions,
yes,
I,
think,
although
commissioner
Ortiz
I
think
I
missed
her
before
and
then
commissioner,
dear
deck.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I'm,
not
familiar
enough
about
the
subject
matter
to
really
speak
a
whole
lot
about
it,
but
I
it
it.
My
question
is
geared
around
whether
these
are
not
policy
proposals
or
policy
directives
that
would
be
more
or
better
handled
through
the
official
City
officials
and
the
staff
and
ordinances.
G
If
there
could
be
worthy
to
be
put
up
there
in
as
part
of
the
city,
governance,
but
I
I,
guess
I
would
ask
our
attorneys.
Is
this
subject
matter
Charter
material.
D
So
I
think
stated
so
generally
it's
hard
to
say
it's
yeah
I
mean
if
we
wanted
to
require
one
of
our
elected
officials
to
have
a
background
in
agriculture.
That
sounds
like
a
charter
issue,
but
I
don't
know.
If
that's
you
know
legally
possible
I'm,
just
throwing
something
out
there.
That's
real!
You
know
specific
that
would
relate
to
that.
So
I
think
it
really
would
depend
I,
don't
know
that,
there's
anything
that
says
something
can't
go
in
the
charter.
D
You
know
it's
just
generally
more
governance
and
structure
and
and
things
that
you
don't
want
a
particular
governing
body
to
be
able
to
change
on
their
own.
J
Madam,
chair,
I
I
have
a
follow-up
question
on
that.
Yes,
Erin
in
terms
of
what
commissioner
Ives
is
talking
about,
like
designating
some
City
properties
around
the
city
to
to
deal
with
with
Agriculture
and
sort
of
like
food
sustainability
issues.
Is
that
something
that
is
like
a
like
a
zoning
issue,
type
of
thing
like
what?
Where
does
that
determination
come
into?
But.
D
C
D
J
D
I
These
questions
are
going
in
a
similar
Direction,
but
not
exactly
to
the
one
I
wanted
to
ask
you
Peter.
It
seemed
to
me,
as
you
were
speaking,
that
one
part
of
the
committee's
reflection
on
the
topic
could
help
us
as
Commissioners
see
where
the
jurisdiction
of
various
governmental
bodies,
like
the
Planning
Commission,
for
instance,
intersects,
protects
all
the
agencies
from
Cross
purposes
and
from
and
from
violation
of
their
their
turf.
I
And
and
if,
if
the
background
material
in
whatever
you
produce,
could
pay
attention
to
such
things?
Who
who
has
jurisdiction
over
what
and
why?
I
Then
it's
going
to
be
easier
to
justify
sentences
in
a
charter
than
if
it's
simply
a
whole
cloth
statement
and
it's
everybody
else's
business,
to
figure
out
how
to
stay
out
of
our
business.
K
And,
and
if
just
by
way
of
responding
in
a
little
bit
of
background
mayor,
Gonzalez
and
I
had
worked
on
a
modification
of
city
ordinance
to
allow
for
in-city
farming,
there
had
been
then
an
article
written
by
the
owner
of
Gaia
Gardens,
the
first
name
of
Pokey
and
I
apologize,
I,
can't
remember
his
last
name,
but
who
had
such
a
garden?
Who
noted
that,
since
the
passing
of
that
ordinance,
there
had
not
been
a
single
new.
K
If
you
will
Garden
established
food
production
Garden
in
the
city
that
had
been
created,
so
my
sense
is
that
we
need
to
do
more
and
be
creative
and
do
it
in
a
more
sustainable
way.
Generally.
I
would
think
anything
we
put
in
the
charter
towards
that
type
of
guidance,
and
the
charter
does
deal
with
environmental
issues
with
neighborhood
issues
would
generally
ultimately
be
seen,
then
in
ordinances,
which
would
undoubtedly
be
then
further
reflected
in
the
land
use
code,
probably
by
a
modification
to
permitted
uses
in
various
zoning
districts.
K
K
I
And
may
I
add
one
more
comment.
Just
in
terms
of
what
commissioner
Ives
just
said.
Friends
listen
one
of
the
big
benefits
of
doing
something
like
this
would
be
that
it
would
go
directly
into
in
front
of
the
voters
if
the
council
agreed
and
the
public
would
speak
and
and
that
would
mean
that
potential
endless
controversy
would
be
declared
one
way
or
the
other
by
the
electorate,
and
then
we
could
get
into
the
issues.
So
that
is
that's
one
of
the
reasons
I
would
favor.
What
commissioner
arrives
to
say.
C
Yes,
Matt
I
mean
yeah,
yes,
Madam
chair.
Thank
you.
I
would
just
like
to
say
with
what
Mr
ives's,
what
what
he's
focusing
on
with
the
gardening
I
believe
that
it
would
be
a
good
fit
for
where
we're
going
with
the
charter,
because
it
would
give
people
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
work
on
getting
their
own
food
in
their
own
process
of
what
we
can
do
with
City
help,
because
I
do
run
a
small
farm
on
the
south
side
of
the
community
in
the
Alafia
Village
area.
C
However,
that
farm
is
owned
by
the
county,
who
I
have
a
contract
with
and
the
minute
that
the
county
doesn't
want
us
to
have
it
anymore.
There
goes
that
food
source
for
that
area
of
the
community
and
all
that
food
goes
to
the
community
and
it's
raised
by
the
community,
so
I
I
believe
like
really
tinying
down.
If
we
were
to
take
a
subject
like
this
or
looking
at
what
these
contractual
agreements
would
be
would
be
a
very
large
part
of
where
I
would
want
to
focus
my
time
and
I
would
follow.
A
I,
don't
know
if
this
one
needs
some
more
filling
out.
I
feel,
like
commissioner
Ives,
the
equity
lens
piece
probably
does.
If
that's
something
I
think
you
can
talk
to.
You
know
your
committee
about
it,
but
if
you
can
bring
something
back,
a
little
more
specific
on
that
for
us
to
consider
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
at
our
next
meeting
on
this
food
policy.
Agriculture
issue
I
mean
we
should,
with
your
description,
take
a
vote
on
that
one.
If
you
want
to
make
a
motion
to
consider
it.
K
K
Move
that
the
human
rights
and
social
issues,
the
committee
of
the
charter
review
commission,
look
at
issues
surrounding
sustainable
agriculture
in
the
city
promoting
that,
especially
as
it
relates
to
water
usage.
A
Okay,
and
actually
it
will
be
the
commission
as
a
whole
if
we
vote
on
it,
that
will
consider
it
it's
just
that
it
would
go.
I
think
it
would
go
to
that
committee
assign
those
but
I,
think
that's
where
it
would
like
you
know
is,
is
the
most
logical
okay.
So
there
is
a
motion
to
consider
this
policy
issue
by
commissioner
Ives.
Is
there
a
second
to
the
motion.
A
It
okay,
commissioner
deerdach,
is
there
further
discussion
by
the
commission?
E
G
Talking
about
a
charter
and
about
a
charter
is
very
like
the
Constitution
and
it
holds
those
global
major
governance
issues
in
there
that
and
I'm
struggling
trying
to
determine
if
this
is
one
of
those
errors
and
that's
why
I
asked
our
attorney,
what
what
guidance
or
what
additional
information
she
could
give
us
regarding
this
subject
matter,
because
I
really
think
it's
very
meritorious
and
I
think
there's
probably
a
lot
of
a
good
information
that
can
be
shared
and
developed
and
perhaps
put
in
ordinances,
but
I'm,
not
convinced
that
it
is
a
charter,
and
it
should
be
something
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
on,
because
we
have
so
many
other
issues
to
do
so.
D
E
D
Sure
much
more
to
say
on
it.
Just
it
really
depends
on
what
the
recommendation
is,
whether
it's
a
global
policy
type
issue
versus
something
very
specific,
yeah
I
think
it
would
really
depend
on
the
specific.
So
it's
not
totally
clear
to
me
what
level
of
proposals
being
moved
right
now
so.
A
F
A
Think
what
what
we'll
look
for
is
something
coming
out
of
this
committee
and
decide
whether
to
continue
to
pursue
it
at
that
point
or
whether
it
meets
you
know
the
criteria
for
a
charter
Amendment,
okay,.
K
K
I
would
I
would
simply
say.
Certainly
the
committee
would
be
working
to
ensure
that
anything
it
does
bring
forward
on.
This
is
in
a
format
that
is
amenable
to
the
Charter,
but
I
think
it's
a
significant
enough
issue
in
terms
of
Santa
Fe
and
its
future,
that
its
consideration
is
reasonable
in
the
instance
and
worthwhile
to
take
a
look
at.
B
Commissioner
yeah
commissioner,
yes,
commissioner,
Montoya
yes
or
cheese,
yes,
commissions,
yes,
chair
long,
yes,
motion
pack.
A
Yes,
this
issue
will
be
assigned
to
the
human
rights
social
issues
committee.
Thank
you
for
that
reminder.
A
H
Chair
long
Commissioners,
along
with
the
human
rights
issues
that
the
subcommittee
is
wanting
to
discuss,
I
believe
that
it's
worthwhile
to
consider
wording
in
the
charter
for
a
Human,
Rights,
Commission
I
think
that
while
we
have
in
the
City
community
and
Public
Safety,
that
really
isn't
I
know
in
speaking
with
councilor
Rivera,
that's
Works
somewhat
like
human
rights,
but
it's
really
not
a
commission
and
in
other
cities.
H
I
have
seen
that
written
into
the
charter
of
the
city
and
then
that
commission
being
an
integral
part
of
the
future
of
the
city
in
consideration
of
exactly
what
its
title
says:
human
rights.
So
that's
my
proposal.
Thank
you.
A
Let
me
ask
our
City
attorney
if,
if
that
recommendation
could
be
seen
as
part
of
item
I,
whether
the
Civil
Rights
policy
statement
should
be
more
specific
and
the
manner
in
which
rights
should
be
protected.
Yes,.
D
I
think
it
could
definitely
fall
under
that
one
in
fact
New
York,
that's
where
they
put
theirs
their
Human
Rights
Commission.
So
absolutely.
A
D
A
J
Thank
you,
chair
long,
commissioner
Ives
I,
wonder
also
what
your
thoughts
are
about,
incorporating
the
idea
of
this
Equity
lens
into
into
a
body
like
that
like
if
we
could
also
tag
that
sort
of
piece
of
research
and
consideration
into
that.
K
I
would
my
response
would
be
that
it
does
fall
within
the
context
of
human
rights
and
social
issues,
and
really
it's
just
taking
a
broader
perspective
and
reiterating
the
significance
of
those
issues
in
a
context
that
would
sort
of
direct
to
some
degree
mechanisms
that
should
be
considered
to
accomplish
that.
So
I
believe
it
could
be.
A
H
A
Or
no
I
don't
know
that
you
need
to,
as
we
are
seeing
that
as
as
part
of
that
item
I,
that
has
already
been
assigned
to
you
whether
it
should
be
more
specific.
If,
if
one
of
the
matters
of
more
specificity
is
you
think
there
should
be
a
commission,
then
that
would
fall
under
that.
A
Okay,
other
topics,
then
on
to
item
C
under
action
items,
and
this
is
kind
of
a
holdover
from
our
last
meeting
where
we
did
get
the
correct
date
on
here
to
have
our
second
meeting
in
March.
A
Virtually
commissioner
Ives.
We
voted
last
month
to
have
the
first
meeting
of
March
virtually
as
we
are
tonight,
and
we
knew
that
there
was
some
conflicts
for
people
in
March,
so
we
were
trying
to
get
the
second
meeting
also
approved.
So
that
is
what
this
motion
is
directed
at.
If
someone
would
like
to
make
that
motion.
F
A
B
B
Ortiz,
yes,
commissioner,
Pettis,
yes
chair
long,
yes,
motion
passes
and
chair
long
can
I
have
the
date
of
that
meeting.
So
I
can
yeah.
B
D
As
you,
yes
thanks,
it
does
look
like
all
versions
of
our
agenda
said:
5
30.,
so
apologies
for
that
I,
don't
know
how
where
they
that
origin
happened.
If
we
wanted
to
correct
for
any
possible
error
there,
we
could
take
the
votes
again
for
the
time
that
started
before
5
30.,
which
I
think
was
just
a
couple
things
we
didn't.
Have
anyone
join
our
attendees
room?
So
we
don't
think
that
someone
joined
late
for
public
comment
all
right,
so
we
will.
B
D
So,
if
there's
interest
in
that,
that
would
be
something
we
might
want
to
do
just
to
have
that
cover
on
those
two
items.
I
did
want
to.
Let
folks
know
that
we
we
have
a
couple
limitations
on
staff
capacity
right
now
and
that's
that
my
prosecutors
on
paternity
leave
and
Andrea
Salazar
who's,
one
of
the
assistant,
City
attorneys,
has
been
recruited
to
the
state
auditor's
office.
I
D
So,
congratulations
to
Andrea!
Absolutely
so.
She'll
have
a
very
much
a
Statewide
exposure
there
with
all
the
local
governments,
all
the
agencies,
all
the
universities
and
any
other
independently
elected
officials
as
well
so
big
job
she's
heading
to
her
last
day
is
next
Friday,
but,
needless
to
say,
everyone's
taking
on
a
little
bit
more
right
now
and
I
want
you
guys
to
be
aware
of
that
and
I
have
involved,
probably
more
staff
up
front
than
maybe
has
been
traditional.
D
It's
because
we're
all
very
interested-
and
this
is
a
great
topic
to
be
able
to
be
involved
in
but
I-
did
want
to
just
alert
folks
that
that
is
something
we're
dealing
with.
So
I've
got
one
of
the
attorneys
helping
out
at
munichord
I
brought
on
a
contract
attorney
over
there
for
the
prosecution
for
right
now,
while
our
prosecutors
on
fraternity
leave
and
then
we're
going
to
be,
you
know
covering
Andrea's
matters
and
getting
that
job
posted
right
away
next
week
when
our
new
Personnel
system
is
online.
D
So
that's
what
we're
waiting
on
for
that,
but
so
just
circumstantially
wanted
you
all
to
be
aware
of
that,
and
but
I
did
want
to
encourage
folks
that
if
you
need
access
to
a
meeting
space,
our
our
conference
room
is
available
to
you
at
City.
Hall
and
Connor
can
help
coordinate
that
with
our
office
manager,
Irene
Romero,
but
Conor's
your
contact
for
that
something
else.
D
I
did
here
on
the
radio
related,
so
I
heard
legislation
about
rent
control,
so
I
know
that
was
an
interest
of
the
of
the
group
earlier.
But
the
legislature
is
looking
at
that
statute
that
I
circulated.
So
there's
other
folks
interested
in
that
issue
too.
D
No
idea
how
popular
it
is
at
the
legislature,
but
it's
out
there
and
commissioner
Dyrdek
already
mentioned
the
16
year
old
voting
I
did
here
also
that
that
was
going
to
be
considered
again
this
year
for
School
Board
elections
and
local
elections
apparently
was
what
the
last
year's
legislation
had
in
it.
It.
D
So
I
guess
we
are
here
to
provide
City
resources,
but
we
might.
The
Commissioners
are
the
folks
who
are
doing
the
recommendations.
D
I
guess
this
is
where
I'm
going
with
the
the
staff
resources
and
then
ultimately,
I
do
have
to
sign
off
on
anything
that
we're
going
to
put
in
front
of
the
voters
so
I
think
having
early
exposure
to
all
these
ideas
and
helping
to
the
extent
possible
is
is
very
much
in
the
interest
of
everyone
because
we
don't
want
ideally
I,
don't
write,
something
saying
I
think
this
is
illegal
and
have
to
post
that.
But
at
this
point
I,
don't
think
that's
going
to
happen,
but
it's
just
something
that
that's.
D
Why
I
think
this
office
is
the
liaison
to
the
commission?
One
of
many
reasons,
probably
I,
think
we're
going
to
be
circulating
that
two-inch
document
that
was
mentioned
earlier
to
everybody,
so
you
could
benefit
from
it
as
well.
Conor
will
circulate
that.
Marcos
is
going
to
get
it
to
him
and
any
other.
You
know
resources
we
have.
D
We
would
like
to
get
to
the
to
the
whole
group
and
oh
and
then
just
as
a
note,
I
think,
particularly
given
you
know,
commissioner
Ives
wasn't
here
last
time
most
of
the
committee
members
are,
our
committees
are
three
members,
but
we
do
have
the
one
four
person
committee,
which
does
just
add
a
little
bit
of
element
of
more
complication,
related
to
open
meetings
act.
D
So
I
think
there
was
some
questions
about
that
since
the
last
meeting.
So
please
be
careful
with
that
Committee
in
particular,
so
any
any
additional
person
in
those
conversations
creates
a
quorum,
whereas
the
other
ones
can
you
know
bring
in
chairwoman
long
and
not
have
a
problem.
D
I
think
that's
all
of
mine
Connor.
Do
you
have
anything
or
do
Marcos
or
Pat
have
anything.
G
I
noticed
that
issue
regarding
the
minute,
the
minutes
and
the
time
for
the
meeting
to
begin,
as
well
as
on
the
agenda
and
I
called
today
at
3
24,
to
make
sure
that
all
Commissioners
knew
what
was
the
correct
time,
because
I
I
know
how
those
things
happen.
So
I
must
not
have
the
best
number
to
call
to
get
an
immediate
response.
I
guess
I'd
like
to
find
out
what
that
number
is
I.
Believe
I
used
the
number
that
was
on
the
email
that
was
sent
to
us.
E
C
E
I
had
left
I
could
have
also
been
in
a
meeting
and
simply
missed
it.
So
that's
my
responsibility
and
I
will
we'll
work
on
the
time
issue
going
forward.
G
G
K
K
A
Will
not
be
able
to
attend
that
committee
meeting,
especially
if
you're
all
there,
because
you
already
have
four
knew
that
would
create
some
issues,
but
I
can
communicate
with
you.
A
A
Unless
it's
just
some,
you
know
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
weigh
in
on
anything,
but
if
it's
just
Logistics
sort
of
as
to
you
know
what
you
want
on
the
agenda,
that
kind
of
thing,
but
but
yeah,
no
substance
of
your
discussions,
so
you've
you've
got
the
topics
and-
and
we
all
consider
them
here,
so
you
can
just
bring
them
forward
here.
Yep.
A
H
I
I
do
in
one
of
our
meetings
as
a
subcommittee.
We
knew
that
we
wanted
to
consult
our
resources,
that
we
can
find
easily
online
and
so
forth,
and
we
wanted
each
member
of
the
subcommittee
to
be
able
to
look
at
it
and
and
think
about
it
and
and
I
wondered
in
in
other
settings.
I
I
If
it's
fewer
than
100,
you
don't
need
an
index
and
then
have
it
as
a
shared
document
file,
Google
doc,
that
anybody
on
the
commission
can
go
to
as
a
library
whenever
they
feel
like
they
need
to
do
it,
even
if
it's
not
pertinent
to
their
own
committee
but
to
another,
and
they
want
to
look
at
the
resources
that
the
other
committee
is
citing
to
justify
his
proposal.
We
can
go
through
it
and
just
read
it
for
ourselves.
D
Foreign
I
don't
know
if
your
question
is
directed
to
me,
but
I
think
that
probably
sounds
feasible
and
maybe
you
and
Connor
and
I
can
talk
about
it.
Are
you
in
the
chair
and
I
could
talk
about
it
or
Conor
in
the
chair,
and
you
have
something
I
think
our
we
have
a
new
website
person
at
the
city.
D
There
might
be
a
way
to
do
it
through
our
website
or
some
other
as
long
as
we
consider
those
public
documents
and
produce
them
through
ibra,
and
that
kind
of
thing
that
would
be
the
main,
I
think
constraint.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
A
J
You
I'm
if
I
may,
I'm
the
fourth
member
of
the
of
the
human
rights
committee
and
I'm
also
on
the
other
committee
right.
So
maybe
we
could
take
it
like
meeting
by
meeting
committee
meeting
by
meeting
where,
if
I'm
not
gonna,
be
able
to
make
the
the
committee
meeting
like.
Maybe
you
can
go
and
if,
if
I
can
make
it,
then
you
can't,
but
maybe
we
can
keep
in
communication
that
way
so
that
you
can
have
part
of
that
conversation
for
that
committee.