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A
Okay,
okay,
commissioner
Amador
Guzman.
C
E
D
D
D
All
right,
that's,
commissioner:
Ortiz
has
moved
for
approval
second,
and
the
second
by
commissioner
Pettis
is
let
let's
have
a
roll
call
vote.
Please.
A
D
G
C
E
D
H
Okay,
thank
you.
My
name
is
Adam
Johnson
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
the
Old
Santa
Fe,
Association
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
work
on
this
commission.
I
am
I.
Have
three
questions?
I,
don't
actually
have
comments.
H
The
first
is
I'm
wondering
what
the
best
way
for
the
public
to
participate
in
the
charter.
Commission
review
is
and
to
stay
updated.
As
to
your
findings,
I
I've
been
looking
at
some
of
the
minutes
from
past
meetings,
but
I'm
wondering
if
there's
a
website
or
anything
like
that,
you've
all
have
established.
So
that's
the
first
question
about
participation
from
the
public.
H
The
second
is
I'm
wondering
if
there
is
an
easy
way
to
access
the
previous
Charter
report,
including
the
Minority
Report
that
was
sort
of
published,
alongside
of
that
and
if
I,
if
there's
an
email
address
or
a
website,
that
I
could
access
to
take
a
look
at
those
documents
and
sort
of
in
line
with
participation.
I'm
wondering
about
the.
H
How
how
the
public
might
suggest
questions
for
you
all
to
explore
in
the
commission,
one
that
I
have
and
and
I'm
actually
agnostic
on
the
issue,
I
just
I'm
sort
of
curious
to
learn
more
about
it.
Is
the
appropriateness
of
land
use
cases
to
be
quasi-judicial,
and
if
that
question
is
something
that
this
body
would
consider,
I,
don't
I
I'm
sort
of
have
conflicting
opinions
about
it
and
I'm
just
sort
of
wondering
if
that
is
a
topic
that
you
all
would
take
up.
So
those
are
my
questions.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
D
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
comment.
I
will
say
as
to
the
public
participation
we
have,
as
you
have
just
done.
We
have
meetings
twice
a
month
and
we
do
always
have
a
place
on
the
agenda
for
public
comment
and
we
invite
that
and
written
public
comment
can
also
be
made,
and
we
have
just
recently
received
some
written
public
comment.
D
Our
prior
meetings,
I
think,
are
all
available
on
the
city's
website
in
the
archives
for
meetings
on
YouTube
and
minutes
should
be
available
as
well.
It
sounds
like
you've
accessed
some
of
those,
so
those
are
the
ways
that
I
know
that
we're
we
are
getting
public
participation
and
we
and
we
really
want
to
have
it
in
terms
of
the
prior
commission
report,
along
with
a
Minority
Report.
Where
could
that
be
located?
B
Chair
long
members
of
the
commission,
I
I
think
we're
going
to
be
starting
to
put
resources
up
from
the
city
attorney's
website.
The
last
Charter
commission
had
a
page
there
and
we
could
put
up
all
the
resources
there
unless
there's
something
the
charter.
Commission
would
like
us
to
look
into
that's
an
alternative
to
that.
But
that
is
one
option
that
the
web
new.
We
have
a
new
webmaster
for
the
city,
and
that
is
something
that
she's
alerted
to
our
interest.
In
doing
so,.
B
B
D
I
think
if
you
would
do
that,
and
if
you
could
place
those
reports
on
there
as
a
start,
then
we
can
add
other
items
and
then
yes,
we
are
asking
for
any
suggestions
regarding
additional
topics.
We
could
consider
and
we
could
certainly
talk
about
yours,
land
use
cases
being
quasi-judicial,
maybe
governed
by
law.
That
requires
them
to
be
quasi-judicial,
but
certainly,
if
there's
additional
information
that
you
wanted
to
get
to
us
or
any
analysis
of
that
would
be
happy
to
look
at
it.
D
D
So
I
think
when
we
get
to
that
portion
of
the
agenda,
we
can
talk
about
that
and
I
I
guess
I
would
say
as
to
these
comments,
they
do
go
to
different
topics
at
the
subcommittees
are
considering
so
I
would
invite
you
to
on
your
subcommittees,
to
take
a
look
at
those
comments
and
take
them.
You
know
into
account
as
you're
considering
your
items.
Yes,
commissioner,
blondes.
I
I
think
also,
we
intend
to
have
Community
meetings
as
another
way
for
public
participation.
Are
we
still
planning
to
do
that
meeting
out
in
the
community
at
all.
E
Chair
in
regards
to
the
public
comments,
number
one
I,
certainly
welcome
them
and
I
think
I,
think
Mr
Johnson
for
joining
us
this
evening
and
sharing
his
information
and
and
I
also
want
to
thank
Mr
breckner
for
his
information.
I
agree
with
you
was
very
well
written
and
it
presents
a
lot
of
good
logical
food
for
thought,
and
so
as
a
Committee,
Member
interior
I
would
and
ask
others
to.
E
Please
look
at
that
and
see
how
we
can
utilize
some
of
the
the
value
that
he's
presented
here
and
and
so
like
to
thank
both
of
our
participants
so
far
for
sharing
with
us
and
encourage
others
to.
Let
us
know
what
they're
thinking
and
either
be
email.
The
however
works
best
for
them,
but
I
just
wanted
to
to
thank
them
for
that.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
D
D
We
thought
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
revisit
our
timeline,
see
how
we're
doing
and
and
start
looking
at
some
dates
ahead
when
we
would
need
to
have
a
draft
report.
This
will
also
tie
into
when
we
want
some
final
recommendations
from
the
subcommittee.
So
I
will
turn
it
over
to
Aaron.
For
this
foreign.
B
Thank
you,
Commissioners
I
did
just
want
to
Circle
back
to
our
overarching
timeline
so
that
we
can
maybe
figure
out
some
sub
timelines
within
that
and
the
resolution
that
was
adopted
to
create
the
commission
did
set
a
timeline
of
proposing
amendments
no
later
than
March
10th
sorry
May,
May
10th,
which
is
not
March,
but
still
not
that
far
away.
Really,
since
we're
on
it
was
February
9th
right
now
so
March
April
May.
So
it
really
is
just
three
months.
B
So
I
wanted
us
to
all
to
be
highly
cognizant
of
that
date
and
then
work
backwards
from
there.
Maybe
with
our
sub
topics
that
we've
got
on,
we
decided
to
put
them
all
on
the
agenda.
I
did
receive
a
comment
that
we
would
probably
get
more
comments.
If
people
could
look
at
the
agenda
to
see
what
we
might
be
getting
updates
about,
even
if
there's
not
updates
about
all
of
those
topics.
They're
just
refreshing,
the
Public's
memory,
what
all
is
being
contemplated
currently
by
the
commission
so
that
that's
really
it
is.
B
We
need
to
work
backwards
from
having
having
something
that
can
be
handed
over
to
the
governing
body
or
made
a
presentation
about
by
May
10th,
and
that's
because
then
the
government
body
has
to
let
that
information
sink
in.
They
have
to
decide
which
of
these.
Are
they
going
to
move
forward
to
put
on
the
ballot
and
then
be
able
to
educate
the
public
about?
What's
on
the
ballot
as
well,
by
the
fall
and
get
it
to
the
county
clerk
to
get
on
the
ballot
which
has
its
own
timeline
as
well?
All
before
all.
B
D
D
Okay,
so
it
seems
that
we
should
try
to
get
Maybe
by
our
last
meeting
in
March.
Some
recommendations
are
close
to
final
ones,
with
working
on
language,
at
least
by
our
April
meetings,
for
the
report
or
recommendations
as
as
Aaron
has
described
it.
D
So
keep
that
in
mind
on
the
subcommittees.
All
right,
we'll
go
to
B
subcommittee
reports
and
timeline
for
recommendations.
The
first
is
the
subcommittee
on
counselor
District
issues
and
boards
and
commissions,
with
the
topics
listed
under
that
subcommittee,
that
they
are
considering
so
who
wants
to
start
with
the
report
from
this
subcommittee.
G
G
So
we
have
met
three
times
you
as
our
chair
have
joined
us
for
two
of
those,
and
we
have
worked
through
these
and
I
just
wanted
to
summarize,
where
our
thinking
is
at
the
moment
we've
considered
Alternatives
in
each
case,
and
then
we
are
inclined
to
compare
some
that
that
rise
to
a
high
level
of
interest
to
us.
So
let
me
go
through
them
quickly.
G
Our
first
area
of
discussion
was
how
many
districts,
particularly
if
that
meant
changing
the
number
Santa
Fe,
lies
within
the
bounds
of
the
average
of
the
number
of
districts
per
capita
in
our
area.
G
There
are
many
cities
that
have
more
population
per
counselor
and
there
are
many
that
have
fewer,
so
we
are
right
in
there
somewhere
and
that
that
augers
well
in
our
opinion,
for
what
we
should
do
going
forward.
G
The
number
dot
dropped
to
nine
percent,
but
the
number
for
the
county
as
a
whole
was
25,
which
is
particularly
interesting
because
in
this
last
decade
it
was
the
first
time
in
a
very
long
time
that
the
population
of
the
state
as
a
whole
increased
only
in
low
single
digits.
It
had
always
been
in
double
digits
before,
but
it
dropped
while
Santa
Fe
county
stayed
at
25
percent,
which
was
kind
of
shocking
to
that
process.
F
G
The
question
before
us
that
we
are
working
on
is:
is
it
better
for
the
city
to
to
repair
for
a
future
that
it
sees
coming
or
react
for
the
to
that
future
once
it
comes,
and
that
is
the
circle
we're
trying
to
square
so
I'll
I'll
move
on
to
our
next
topic,
but
I
think
that
summarizes
fairly.
G
How
we,
as
a
subcommittee,
have
been
parsing
this
one
Maria
did
you?
Do
you
think
I
got
that
close
to
right,
yep,
all
right.
So,
let's
look
to
the
second.
This
question
is
how
many
counselors
should
there
be
either
per
District
or
on
the
council
as
a
whole?
G
G
It's
only
in
the
very
smaller
cities
that
the
ratio
drops
to
something
like
one
to
ten
thousand
and
I
noticed
a
gallop
and
grants
are
in
that
category.
Just
for
sake
of
comparison,
we
decided
not
to
consider
three
counselors
per
District
or
fewer
districts
or
counselors
elected
at
large,
as
some
cities
do,
because
we
noticed
that
the
advantages
in
either
case
just
did
not
appear
to
outweigh
the
huge
disadvantage
of
asking
people
in
Santa
Fe
who
become
accustomed
to
this
system.
G
G
Second,
voters
have
a
choice
if
you
elect
two
within
their
representation
on
the
council
when
Desiring
to
express
an
opinion.
If
a
voter
has
an
opinion
which
is
different
from
one
counselor,
they
may
be
able
to
discuss
it
with
another
one
and
still
feel
represented
on
the
council.
So
that's
another
way
of
looking
at
that.
G
G
Eight
and
we're
getting
close
to
the
maximum
second
in
some
cases
consists.
Constituents
might
discover
that
a
particular
counselor
is
very,
very
responsive
to
their
concerns
and
just
by
ordinary
conversation
with
neighbors.
G
Therefore,
that
counselor
gets
a
reputation
of
being
very,
very
responsive
and
eventually
there's
a
huge
imbalance
between
one
counselor
carrying
the
business
of
the
district
and
the
other
counselor
not
at
all,
and
so
we've
encountered
counselors
and
former
counselors
who
have
felt
strongly
that
they
they
either
wanted
to
be
holy
accountable
for
the
representative
obligations
or
they
or
not,
and
they
found
that
they
found
this
to
be
a
source
of
Discord
for
them.
G
So
that's
the
disadvantage
of
having
two
counselors.
Finally,
elsewhere.
We've
we've
noticed
on
the
list
of
materials
that
the
commission
is
considering
the
notion
that
there's
some
suggestion
that
the
commission
should
evaluate
about
the
possibility
of
full-time
counselors
and
perhaps
even
paying
them
if
you
have
twice
as
many
you're
spending
twice
as
much
so
it
could
very
well
be
that
the
financial
side
of
this
tends
to
drive
this
depending
on
other
decisions
made
outside
our
subcommittee.
G
So
our
subcommittee,
in
its
last
meeting
narrative
considerations
to
a
discussion
which
we
intend
to
have
over
two
possibilities.
G
So
that's
a
progress
report
in
subcommittee
number
one
and
Maria
will
report
on
our
other
two
topics.
J
Much
chair
long
so
in
terms
of
like
advantages
and
disadvantages,
what
our
committee
has
really
in
terms
of
values
right
centering,
our
conversations
around
values
that
are
important
to
us.
Equity
is
one
of
them.
Voter
turnout
is
one
of
them,
and
then
fairness
overall
to
to
our
elected
officials
and
our
community
is,
is
one
the
way
that
we
hold
our
elections
right
now
and
we
have
two
counselors
per
District
in
terms
of
voter
turnout.
J
That
is
very
good,
that
having
every
every
voter
in
the
city
of
Santa
Fe
has
a
council
member
being
elected
every
every
election
cycle
so
that
when
you
have
candidates
on
the
ballot
that
tends
to
drive
up
voter
turnout,
so
you
know
we
talked
about
that
in
terms
of
it
being
an
advantage.
There's
ways
to
think
about
how
to
keep
voter
turnout
up
if
we
reduce
the
number
of
counselors-
and
we
will
get
into
that
later
on
in
the
conversation
and
the
other
point
that
I
wanted
to
make.
J
Is
this
idea
right
that
having
two
counselors
allows
for
a
majority
elected
counselor
and
then
perhaps
for
a
counselor
that
is
representative
of
a
minority
in
a
district
that
is
theoretically
right?
But
if
we
just
have
one
counselor
elected
every
cycle,
there's
no
reason
to
think
that
that
majority
in
that
district
is
going
to
keep
electing
their
candidates.
J
So
there
would
have
to
be
some
changes
in
the
way
that
we
structure
that
to
allow
for
minority
representation
right
because
right
now,
it's
the
same
voters
that
turn
out
cycle
after
cycle
that
elect
who's,
gonna
win.
So
all
this
to
say
all
of
these
issues
that
we're
discussing
in
all
on
the
different
subcommittees
kind
of
like
they
overlap.
The
decisions
that
one
subcommittee
is
going
to
make
around
recommendations
really
depend
on
the
decisions
that
some
of
the
other
subcommittees
are
making.
So
it's
good
that
we're
having
this
conversation.
Thank
you.
J
E
J
Yes,
thank
you,
so
I
I
will
talk
about
two
issues
that
we've
been
discussing
in
our
subcommittee,
one
being
the
question
about
whether
City
councilors
need
to
resign
if
they
sh,
if
they
wish
to
run
for
for
mayor
and
we've
gone
around.
This
issue
like
in
many
many
ways,
it's
been
an
interesting
conversation,
sort
of
where
we
landed
is
that
the
voters
elect
a
city
council
member
to
represent
them
for
a
term
that
they're
elected
to.
J
So
we
feel
that
that
it's
fair
for
the
voters
to
require
that
a
counselor
serve
their
full
term
before
before
deciding
to
rent
for
for
office
or
higher
office
for
a
mayor.
So
the
issue
with
that
is
that
there's
some
counselors
as
we
have
our
current
system
now,
who
get
elected
at
the
same
election
as
the
mayor
gets
elected
and
then
the
other
half
of
the
counselors
get
elected
on
the
off
cycle.
J
So
if
you
serve
a
full
term,
that
would
create
an
inequity
right
on
the
two
different
kinds
of
terms
of
the
that
the
counselors
would
have
to
serve
if
they
want
to
run
for
for
mayor,
for
example,
if
you're
a
city,
council
member
and
you
get
elected
on
a
year
where
there's
no
mayoral
election.
J
If
you
want
to
run
for
mayor,
you
would
have
to
either
do
it
in
two
years
from
your
election,
but
we're
asking
people
to
serve
their
full
term.
So
then
it
would
be
six
years
from
your
election,
whereas
the
other
set
of
counselors
would
just
have
to
wait
those
those
four
years.
So
there's
a
lot
more
conversation
to
be
had
about
that.
J
One
thing
that
came
up
as
a
topic
of
conversation.
That
is
not
really
one
of
these
issues
that
we're
talking
about,
but
the
idea
that
if
we
elect
all
of
our
city
councilors
at
the
same
time
on
the
same
cycle
and
then
the
mayor
on
the
next
cycle,
you
would
sort
of
avoid
that
problem
of
the
inequity
about
when
people
can
run
for
for
mayor
did
I
miss
anything
about
that.
J
G
I
think
as
as
Maria
just
said,
some
of
our
discussion
has
has
come
from
the
fact
that
discussing
the
topics
that
were
assigned
to
us
requires
that
we
think
about
other
unintended
consequences.
G
That
may
look
like
some
people,
like
another
topic,
and
so
I've
noticed
on
the
agenda
for
today
that
item
6C
is
additional
topics
and
I'm
prepared
to
bring
one
kind
of
right
down
the
line
that
Maria
has
been
talking
about,
so
that
the
full
commission
is
aware
of
things
we're
working
on
as
derivative
from
the
topics
we
were
assigned,
not
inherent
in
them.
So
please
expect
that
when
we
get
to
item
6c.
J
Thank
you,
commissioner,
and
then,
and
then
Italy
we
are
subcommittee,
has
been
talking
about
this
issue
with
you
with
boards
and
commissions,
should
they
like
how
to
manage
them
and
and
keep
them
efficient.
J
This
is
a
topic
that
I
brought
up
for
the
for
the
commission
to
look
at,
and
you
know
we
as
a
subcommittee
agree
that
there's
too
many
boards
and
commissions
right
now
that
some
of
them
are
very
much
working
and
have
a
clear
task
that
they're
working
on
and
some
of
them
are
not
very
much.
Some
of
them
meet.
Some
of
them
don't
meet
very
much
and
there's
some
there's
some
overlap.
There's
the
various
boards
and
commissions
that
are
sort
of
looking
at
the
same
issues.
J
So
you
know
the
idea
is:
how
do
we
streamline
our
boards
and
commissions
system
so
that
every
single
boarding
commission
has
a
clear
Mandate
of
what
they're
working
on
and
as
appropriate,
a
timeline
when
that
work
is
going
to
happen?
For
example,
our
commission
is
going
to
Sunset
it
may,
because
that's
when
our
work
is
done
right
so
like
that
makes
sense
for
this
commission.
We
have
our
work
ahead.
We
have
a
timeline,
we
do
our
work
plan
in
that
timeline.
J
As
a
subcommittee,
we
have
sort
of
had
a
question
about
whether
that
is
something
that
is
appropriate
for
a
charter
conversation.
J
If
this
is
something
that
should
go
on
the
charter
or
if
there's
something
that
could
be
more
as
a
recommendation
to
the
to
the
council
itself
to
to
the
governing
body
to
take
a
look
at
to
make
a
decision
about-
maybe
there's
you
know,
maybe
the
city
manager
could
appoint
somebody
to
look
at
commit
boards
and
commissions
on
a
yearly
or
by
yearly
timeline
to
to
figure
out
who's
who
should
keep
on
working,
which
is
kind
of
where
we
were
leaning,
that
the
the
the
the
governing
body
should
sort
of
make
a
decision
about
how
to
streamline
the
the
commissions
the
work
of
the
boards
and
commissions
I
thought.
J
It
was
very
interesting
that
in
our
public
comment
that
was
provided
by
Mr
breckner,
he
mentioned
something
about
this.
J
He
recommends
that
we
look
at
City
committee's
commissions
and
board
stats
forces
Etc,
and
he
has
a
similar
concerns
about
the
state
of
our
boards
and
commissions,
and
he
his
opinion
is
that
this
is
absolutely
something
that
that
should
be
part
of
the
charter,
so
I
I
welcome
the
thoughts
and
opinions
of
of
my
fellow
Commissioners
here,
because
I
think
this
is
an
important
question,
but
we
just
have
to
figure
out
where
it
lives.
D
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
trying
to
take
notes.
That
was
a
great
report
enjoyed
listening
to
that
so
governance
issues
and
financial
audit.
E
E
E
Basically,
should
there
be
a
separation
of
powers
and
is
and
if
yes,
what
rights
and
limitations
are
required
that
we're
going
to
need
to
incorporate
to
the
city
Charter,
so
we've
talked
a
bit
about
that
and
Paul
will
be
addressing
that
in
a
second
I'll.
Give
him
a
moment
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
and
then
the
other
two
areas
talks
and
deals
with
the
definition
of
roles
for
our
mayor,
counselors
and
city
manager.
E
You
know:
are
they
clear?
Where
are
they
specific?
Do
they
give
the
guidance
that
is
needed
in
a
constitution
Charter
for
our
for
our
city
and
and
then
also
in
part
in
that,
in
that
conversation
should
be,
the
definition
of
cars
and
duties
should
counselors
be
full-time,
so
so
that
is
certainly
another
another
issue
we've
been
talking
about
and
then
the
third
issue
deals
with.
E
Should
the
charter
address
additional
financial
matters
because
there
are
very
few
in
our
existing
Charter
and
so
those
are
the
errors
and
and
regarding
the
the
financial
management
matters?
E
Well,
let
me
back
up
what
we've
done
is
we've
compared
the
city,
Charter,
Paul
and
I
to
the
model
best
practices
of
the
national
Civic
leave
the
model
Charter
that
has
been
around
for
hundreds
about
100
years,
and
so
it's
a
really
good
well-proven
model
that
that
we
think
makes
sense
to
at
least
look
at
and
compare
that
with
our
with
our
city,
Charter,
which
we've
done.
E
We've
done
that
the
first
meeting
we've
looked
at
the
areas
in
our
city,
Charter
that
are
silent
to
some
subject
areas,
specifically
financial
management
matters,
and
there
it's
very
silent
in
that
regard
and
we're
looking
at
ways
to
to
incorporate
and
add
language
that
would
make
it
stronger
in
terms
of
the
financial
area
and,
as
you
know,
and
most
of
us
know,
budget
and
and
the
budget
approval
process
is
one
of
the
most
visible
and
important
activities
that
an
organization
can
undertake.
E
I
mean
everything
revolves
around
the
budget
and
and
without
a
good
process
outlined
in
the
charter
that
gives
direction
for
timely,
appropriate
and
positive
completion
of
all
aspects
of
that
I
think
we're
lacking
in
that
regard,
and
so
we
we
are.
We
already
have
recommendations
of
about
10,
different
Provisions
that
can
be
added
into
the
charter.
We
need
to
review
them
as
a
committee
and
now
that
I
think
we're
changing
our
configuration
a
bit.
E
We'll
have
more
people
to
help
us
in
the
subcommittee
to
make
the
decisions
of
which
of
those
items
to
to
include
so
so
I've
got
a
package
already
to
to
sit
down
and
either
cross
things
off
or
or
add
to
so
we're
ready
to
move
in
that
regard
regarding
the
financial
management
matters
and
clearly,
we
believe
there
needs
to
be
even
a
section
in
the
city
Charter
specifically
devoted
to
that
now,
along
with
that,
in
terms
of
definition
of
roles
for
mayor
and
City
councilors,
there's
a
there's,
many
places
where
we
can
add
functions
and
powers
and
duties
relating
to
the
financial
matters
for
the
definition
of
rules.
E
In
addition
to
other
areas
which
Paul
will
be
addressing
so
I,
think
we're
well
on
our
way
to
to
sit
down
and
and
basically
we've
determined.
We
do.
We
do
need
to
add
some
language
in
our
Charter.
Regarding
financial
management,
we
just
need
to
sit
down
and
determine
what
that
could
look
like,
and
one
of
the
pieces
we've
talked
about
is
because
we're
recommending
this
to
the
Charter
commission.
We
all
have
to
look
at
that
and
vote
on
that
and
then
from
there.
E
Whatever
we
choose
and
we
select
moves
on
to
the
city
councilors
we
and
the
governing
body
we've
decided
to
be
more
inclusive
and
and
in
our
recommendations
that
way
gives
the
city
councilor
this
board
and
the
city
council,
more
information
and
opportunities
to
to.
F
E
The
Merit
of
each
of
the
items
that
we're
recommending
so
we're
looking
at
being
more
inclusive,
as
opposed
to
not
so
that's
a
part
of
of
what
I've
covered
on
the
financial
matters
Paul.
Did
you
want
to
talk
about
the
the
executive
versus
legislative
piece
that
we've
chatted.
G
Thank
you.
So
when
we
first
met,
we
as
a
group
asked
that
I
look
at
the
way
the
charter
is
laid
out
just
structurally.
G
G
So
the
group
asked
me
to
show
what
it
would
look
like
if
our
Charter
simply
reflected
the
three
branches
of
government
that
those
of
us
who
in
ancient
times
had
high
school
Civics
modern
times,
don't
know
what
that
is,
but
we
protozoans
studied
High
School
civics
and
we
learned
about
the
legislative
branch.
G
The
executive
branch
in
the
judicial
branch
I
felt
that
our
Charter
could
reflect
those
branches
clearly
and
in
order,
and
that
it
is
hugely
important
in
our
Civics
that
the
legislative
branch,
meaning
what
is
often
called
in
government
papers
closest
to
the
voters,
is
what
makes
our
rules
our
legislation
that
distinguishes
us
from
monarchies,
and
so,
as
Nancy
Pelosi
has
been
saying
for
decades.
Her
house
was
the
article
one
article
of
the
Constitution,
so
I
moved
all
the
legislative
particles
into
article
one.
G
G
It
was
artists,
our
discussion,
that
you
can't
balance
powers
that
you
don't
separate
and
you
can't
separate
powers
that
you
don't
balance
and
so
having
an
introductory
sentence,
saying
that
that
is
the
or
that
is
the
reason
we
have.
This
structure
seems
to
us
to
help
the
reader
of
the
charter
see
that
the
structure
of
the
charter
matters.
G
Finally,
I've
I've
kind
of
created
notes
for
Lily,
May
and
I
to
go
over
and
and
show
what
this
looks
like
and
I
followed
the
protocols
of
of
strike
through
anything
deleted
and
underline
anything
added.
G
Almost
nothing
underlined
because
I've
used
the
text
as
it
already
is,
I
have
not
embroidered
it
at
all,
but
then
in
doing
that,
I
found
eight
places
where
the
actual
roles
of
these
offices
mayor
legislature,
Council
and
manager,
where,
where
questions
just
leap
off
the
page,
just
very,
very
clear
and
so
I've
highlighted
those
for
our
next
further
discussion.
I
did
not
I
did
not
modify
anything
on
my
own,
but
that
is
part
of
our
our
committee
process.
G
So
that's
where
we
are
at
the
moment
and
Lily
May
and
I
have
gone
over
this
again,
and
one
of
the
comments
we
made
in
our
last
meeting
was
it'll,
be
hugely
helpful
in
these
eight
areas
that
so
far
we
think
deserve
a
conversation.
If
we
can
find
citations
in
the
the
large
document,
the
the
model
cities
Charter-
that
pertained
each
of
them,
we
will
value
changes
more
highly.
G
E
Comments,
you
know
no
thank
you
for
that
and
and
I
I
think
Madam
chair
in
terms
of
the
timeline
we're
working
closely
to
to
get
as
much
as
we
can
sooner
than
later,
because,
as
we
all
know,
and
when
we
heard
from
one
of
our
public
comment
individuals
they
want
to
see
the
community
wants
to
see
what
we
have
developed
and
before
we're
ready
to
even
do
the
final
vote
and
send
it
to
the
counselors.
We
really
need
to
give
the
community
opportunity
to
comment
on.
One
of
our
commissioners
also
said
we're.
E
You
know
we're
planning
the
the
public
hearing
so
so
I
think
in
terms
of
that
timeline,
it's
going
to
bump
it
up
a
bit
and
so
I
think
our
work
is
cut
out
for
us
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks
to
really
get
something
substantial
in
writing
to
put
on
the
website
or
or
wherever
it's
going
to
be,
so
that
the
community
can
see
and
react,
because
that
those
comments
are
valuable,
they're,
important
and
and
they're
really
going
to
shape,
I
think
at
least
my
decisions
in
terms
of
what
I
I
support
moving
forward
so
I
I.
E
Thank
you
for
your
guidance
and
the
leadership
and
and
the
and
the
bringing
up
the
fact
that
we
need
to
look
at
the
calendar
because
time's
a
wasting.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you.
I.
D
F
You,
madam
chair
I'll,
weigh
in
first
and
then
would
invite
the
other
Commissioners
to
fill
in
what
I've
missed.
So
the
the
committee
did
meet
and
right
now
we're
planning
on
meeting
at
least
once
before,
each
meeting
of
the
commission
as
a
whole,
and
we
did
talk
about
timing
of
trying
to
bring
recommendations
forward
and
I.
F
Think
the
sense
of
the
committee
was
that
that
would
be
probably
in
the
second
half
of
March,
as
we
all
felt
I
think
we
needed
additional
time
to
do
some
sort
of
fundamental
consideration
of
the
issues.
F
I
do
note-
and
this
is
a
my
own
personal
comment
on
our
Charter.
It
does
have
an
Article
2
policy
statements
which
I
did
not
see
reflected
in
the
the
model
per
se,
but
Evo
has
considered
that
to
be
an
incredibly
valuable
section
within
our
Charter,
where
it,
the
public,
the
citizens
of
the
city
have
weighed
in
on
policy
matters
that
they
consider
significant
enough
to
be
placed
within
our
Charter
and
I.
F
Think
that's
it
the
spot,
certainly
where
the
committee
is
focused
in
terms
of
the
issues
that
it's
looking
at,
including
whether
or
not
the
whether
the
human
and
civil
rights
policy
statement
should
be
more
specific,
with
regards
to
the
breadth
of
required
protections
and
or
the
manner
in
which
such
rights
should
be
protected.
And
then,
of
course,
we
have
the
question
relating
to
protections
of
Agriculture
and
finally,
the
question
of
allowing
voting
beginning
at
age.
16.
F
F
So
basically
we're
in
the
position
of
having
the
the
various
members
look
at
various
issues
that
have
been
identified.
Trying
to
reach
out
speak
with
people
about
these
particular
topics.
If
you
will
build
some
empirical
data
with
the
goal
of
trying
to
provide
when
we
do
bring
something
forward,
what
commissioner
Ortiz
was
saying,
which
is
a
fuller
consideration
of
those
issues?
So
it's
not
just
the
language
of
a
recommendation,
but
would
include
a
rationale
and
thinking
behind
it.
F
So
that's
the
basically
the
course
we
are
on
currently
and
the
timing
I
think
we're
on
or
at
least
intending
so.
I
I
think
I
think
that
another
thing
that
has
come
up
recently.
We
were
talking
about
forming
a
Human,
Rights
Commission
and
just
recently
in
the
news
and
at
the
council
meeting,
it
was
announced
by
councilor
Romero
worth
that
they
are
working
toward
actually
creating
an
office
of
equity
and
inclusion,
and
thus,
then
we
need
I
think
to
explore
that
further
and
get
a
sense
of
what
that
means
to
them.
What
their
intention
are.
How
is
it
going
to
be
executed
once
it's
formed
and
I?
J
Yeah
I
mean
I'd
like
to
give
a
little
bit
share
a
little
bit
of
our
thinking
for
the
public
to
sort
of
have
a
better
idea
of
what
it
is
that
we've
been
talking
about.
So
we
were
talking
about.
J
You
know
weighing
the
options
of
the
establishment
of
a
Human,
Rights
Commission
versus
the
establishment
of
an
office
of
of
equity
and
inclusion,
or
in
some
cities
that
have
such
offices
or
departments,
they're
called
different
things
like
office
of
equity
and
human
rights.
There's
there's
a
different,
a
few
different
ways
to
look
at
it.
J
So
something
we
talked
about
is
that
in
terms
of
protections
for
our
residents
in
terms
of
their
rights,
this
is
obviously
an
important
issue,
and
so
our
value
there,
as
far
as
this
conversation
goes
really
has
to
do
with
with
permanence
right.
So
that,
like
these
rights
that
we
protect
this
year
are
not
just
going
to
be
gone
in
a
couple
of
years.
J
So
we
part
of
what
we're
doing
at
this
moment
is
researching
some
of
the
offices
or
Departments
of
equity
and
inclusion,
equity
and
human
rights
that
have
been
established
in
some
other
jurisdictions
throughout
the
country
and
see.
Are
they
working?
Are
they
not
working?
How
are
they
working?
What
is
it
that
they're
trying
to
accomplish
and
and
how
things
are
going
for
for
some
of
those
different
examples
where
some
of
these
offices
have
been
you
know,
implemented
and
actualized?
J
J
Well,
we
talked
about
hunger
and
in
agriculture,
and
things
like
that,
and
also
having
that
conversation
right,
what
is
appropriate
for
it
to
be
included
in
the
charter
as
opposed
to
some
other
parts
of
our
the
functioning
of
our
of
our
city
government.
So
those
are
the
kinds
of
conversations
that
we
had.
A
D
B
Chairlong
Commissioners
last
night,
the
legislation
was
introduced
and
very
much
the
counselors
who
are
sponsoring
it
are
looking
for
feedback
and
putting
it
out.
There
is
kind
of
a
first
proposal
and
they're
asking
the
city
manager
to
make
recommendations
as
to
where
in
city
government
it
should
fall
and
and
to
budget
for
it
in
the
FY
24
budget.
There
are
certain
responsibilities
that
are
laid
out
in
the
resolution,
and
so
we
can
circulate
that
with
this
group
and
also
put
it
in
the
materials
that
are
posted.
B
D
D
That
brings
us
to
new
topics
to
consider
and
I
know
you're
going
to
have
one
commissioner,
dear
deck,
but
I
just
wanted
to
get
back
to
our
public
commenter.
Our
written
public
comments,
I
should
say
from
Beryl
brechner,
as
commissioner
Pettis
noted,
he
does
deal
with
boards
and
commissions
and
I
feel
like
you
can
look
at
that
and
we're
already
addressing
that
issue.
D
The
one
I
saw
that
was
a
new
one
was
the
official
recall
provisions
and
I
thought
commissioner
Pettis,
who
had
some
interest
in
that
as
well
or
am
I
wrong
about
that
a
recall
or
referendum?
Maybe
okay,
so
I
don't
know
if
if
this
would
need
to
be
filled
out
some
more
and
we
could
invite
that
and
for
the
public
comment
to
see
if
it's
something
we'd
want
to
take
up.
D
And
then,
as
far
as
the
topic
on
equation,
judicial
land
use
decisions
that
was
suggested
by
Mr,
Johnson
I
think
we
would
just
need
some
more
information
on
what
that
proposal
is.
Is
a
proposal
to
have
a
different
body
here?
Those
cases
or
I
think
there
might
be
some
legal
restrictions
on
us
on
that
one,
but
we
could
certainly
look
at
it
at
a
future
meeting.
G
I
I
think
that
Maria
mentioned
it
a
moment
ago,
and
that
is
that
the
considerations
that
we
are
making
about
the
number
of
counselors
and
the
number
of
districts
necessitate
are
talking
about
election
Cycles.
G
Now
it
could
very
well
be
that
the
charter
will
simply
say
as
one
of
its
Provisions
that
the
council
shall,
by
ordinance
handle
these
consequences.
That's
one
way
of
approaching
it.
That's
not
the
only
way,
and
it
could
very
well
be
that
we
will
want
to
put
a
sentence
or
some
sentences
about
what
we
see
as
the
future
cycling
of
Elections
versus
what
we've
experienced
in
the
past.
G
D
H
I
G
G
D
G
D
G
G
D
F
D
D
E
Would
agree
with
that
I
I
think
if
it's
coming
up
in
the
conversation
in
the
dialogue,
it
makes
sense
to
continue
entertaining
that
conversation
and
and
see
where
it
leads.
It
may
lead
somewhere.
It
may
not,
but
I
think
that's
part
of
the
fact-finding
process
entertain.
All
we
can
in
terms
of
our
conversations
and
see
where
that
takes
us
I.
E
Don't
think
we
really
need
to
vote
on
that
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
but
I
think
the
conversation
should
continue
so
I
I
appreciate
you
sharing
that
and
also
Madam
chair
I
agree
with
you
in
terms
of
the
comments
that
we
received
regarding
our
the
article
3
303
regarding
Mr
breckner's,
comment
that
it
would
be
wise
to
look
at
the
Charter's
elected
official,
recall,
Provisions
I.
Think
it's
worth
looking
at
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
do
that,
but
I
think.
E
D
At
well
I
think,
if,
if
we're
going
to
be
asked
to
assign
that
to
a
committee
and
ask
staff
to
help
us
with
work,
then
we
need
to
know
if
people
are
ready
to
vote
on
that
or
not
at
this
time,
I
mean
if
we
need
more
information
about
it,
but
I'm
feeling
like
I,
do
because
I'm,
not
the
comment's
not
very
well
filled
out.
All
the
rest
of
the
comments
are,
but
this
just
says
we
should
look
at
it.
D
So
I
feel
like
we
probably
would
need
some
more
information
on
what
the
issue
is.
Eased
he's
talking
about
easing
so
I,
don't
know
if
that's
the
number
I'm
not
sure.
E
D
E
Chair
I
move
that
we
look
at
Charter
article
3
3.03
that
deals
with
the
Charter's
elected
official
recall
Provisions,
to
see
if
that
needs
addressing.
F
J
So,
are
we
talking
about
a
statement
that
any
person
only
providing
or
causing
to
be
provided
any
false
information
on
a
petition,
forging
a
signature
or
signing
a
petition
when
that
person
knows
that
he
or
she
is
not
a
qualified
electronic
City
of
Santa
Fe
is
guilty
of
a
misdemeanor.
That's
the
cause.
We're
talking
about.
D
F
Had
one
thing
to
note
in
connection
with
the
question
asked
about
whether
or
not
the
Council
might
or
the
governing
body
might
be
surprised
by
introduction
of
matters
that
they
had
not
put
forward
and
just
wanted
to
in
the
resolution
that
created
this
commission
in
section
three
at
the
end,
subsection
J,
it
provides
ideas
in
terms
of
what
could
be
considered
quote
ideas
suggested
by
the
Commissioners
and
members
of
the
community,
so
they
certainly
appeared
to
be
wide
open
to
that
which
I
think
is,
quite
frankly,
given
the
language
in
the
charter
in
10.01,
which
says
you
know,
I,
try
to
review
commission
she'll
be
appointed
as
needed,
but
not
less
frequently
than
every
10
years.
F
The
governing
body
shall,
by
resolution,
determine
the
manner
of
appointment
of
the
commission,
provided
that
there
shall
be
an
odd
number
of
Commissioners
and
that's
really
the
only
language
as
to
the
charge
to
this
body.
So
I
think
we
are.
It
is
certainly,
as
as
one
would
say,
gained
to
do
so.
We
should
because,
quite
frankly
that
does
involve
then
members
of
the
public
and
the
citizens
of
Santa
Fe.
G
A
Go
on
to
you
yeah.
Did
you
address
the
other
comment
from
the
public
about
the
quasi-judicial
nature
of
the
land
use
meetings.
J
Chair
I'd
like
to
if
we
could
discuss
a
little
bit
this
issue
about
maybe
including
the
referendum
process
in
our
discussions.
J
Upon
reading
this
model,
City
Charter
document
I
noticed
that
they
recommend
that
a
referendum
process,
the
the
significa
signature
requirement
to
get
an
issue
on
the
ballot
for
the
voters
of
a
municipality
should
be
somewhere
between
five
and
ten
percent
of
the
number
of
Voters
who
showed
up
in
the
last
mayoral
election.
In
my
reading
of
our
city
Charter.
J
That
number
is
33
percent,
so
I
find
that
highly
undemocratic
that
it
that
it's
just
such
a
high
Bar
for
our
residents
to
to
put
something
on
on
the
ballot
if
they're
feeling
like
they're
elected
representatives,
are
not
really
addressing
the
issues
that
they
want
to
address.
So
I
would
love
to
share
that
with
with
the
Commissioners
here
and
see
if
we
might
want
to
include
that
in
our
in
our
tasks
of
issues
that
we're
looking
at.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
J
It's
on
section
3.01
e
number
of
signatures.
It
says
a
referendum
petition
shall
be
deemed
sufficient
if
signed
by
qualified
electors
in
an
amount
equal
to
33
and
one
third
and
one-third
percent
or
more
of
the
actual
voters
at
the
last
mayoral
election.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
reading
that
correctly.
B
J
Yeah,
including
10
of
the
voters
for
mayor
in
each
Council
district
and
the
last
mayoral
election
right.
B
J
B
C
C
B
B
J
So
I
would
love
if
we
could
add
this
to
our
areas
that
we're
looking
at
both
for
the
the
referendum
and
the
in
the
initiative
process.
D
J
Madam
chair
I,
also
want
to.
This
is
an
important
issue
for
me
because,
as
a
state,
the
state
of
New
Mexico
does
not
have
an
initiative
about
citizens
battle
ballot
initiative
process.
So,
as
a
you
know,
residence
voters
of
New
Mexico,
we
can't
put
something
on
the
ballot
at
the
Statewide
level
and
that
is
kind
of
rare
Most
states
do
have
some
sort
of
initiative
process
for
the
citizens
to,
and
the
idea
behind.
This
right
is
direct
democracy.
J
If
you're
Representatives
are
not
responsive
to
what
you're
saying
that
it
is
that
you
want,
then
there's
an
Avenue
to
go
to
say:
okay,
I'm,
not
feeling
represented,
my
representatives
are
not
really
taking.
You
know
the
community's
desires
into
account.
We
can
go
with
this
different
route,
which
is
gather
signatures
and
put
something
on
the
ballot
regardless
right.
So
it's
a
balance
between
representative
and
direct
democracy.
J
So,
given
the
fact
that
we
don't
have
this
at
the
state
level,
I
find
it
that
it's
really
important
to
have
it
at
the
local
level,
and
this
bar
is
way
too
high
for
people
to
actually
be
able
to
to
put
forward
a
Citizens
initiative.
Thank
you.
J
Yes,
I
would
like
to
include
referendum
and
initiatives
so
3.01
and
3.02.
F
D
A
D
B
Chair
long
Commissioners,
I
think
just
one
thing:
Connor
and
I
spoke
today.
If
you
would
like
printed
materials
every
meeting,
let
him
know
if
you
don't
need
them
every
meeting.
Our
preference
would
be
not
to
print
them.
If
you're
not
going
to
use
the
printed,
we
have
been
trying
to
reduce
paper
overall,
but
absolutely
we
also
want
to
give
you
the
materials
you
need
so
I
think
whenever
we
send
things
out,
he'll
be
asking
if
you'd
like
this
print
to.
B
Let
me
know
if
you've
already
given
him
an
overarching
I
want
everything
printed
he'll.
He
will
know
that
so
I
just
want
to
mention
that
and
then
we
will
be
working
with
the
the
webmaster
on
creating
the
resources
page.
So
if
you
have
specific
things,
if
you
could
tell
the
chair-
and
maybe
we
can
coordinate
through
chairlong
but
we'll
put
up
the
resources
that
we've
already
given
to
you.
I
Just
a
comment,
I
think.
Maybe
we
could
say
unless
folks
have
access
to
high-powered
printers,
that
when
we
get
something
like
this,
which
was
82
pages,
that
that
would
be
reasonable
if
we
want
it
in
print
to
request
it,
but
a
two-page
agenda
or
something
like
that,
isn't
really
as
important
as
the
long
longer
printed
out
articles
like
the
charter,
you
provided
to
us
things
like
that,
but.
B
Right
sure
long,
Commissioners,
I
guess
my
default
is
no
paper
personally
and
I'm
trying
to
go
that
direction
and
I'm
trying
to
get
my
team
to
go
that
direction.
We're
trying
to
go
paperless
at
Munich
Court
we're
doing
all
electronic
signatures.
We
did
that
before
the
pandemic,
so
I'm
just
telling
you
that's
our
general
principle,
we're
happy
to
not
do
that
for
you,
but
that
is
our
that's
our
Baseline
yeah
old.
D
E
E
G
I'm,
sorry
to
say
that
I
do
have
one
go
ahead:
I
as
I
noted
earlier,
the
last
minutes,
I
I've
I
voted
for
them.
I
thought
they
were
excellent.
G
Two
topics,
two
details
on
page
three
have
moved
since
we
met
on
on
January
26th
I
referred
at
one
point
to
the
city
of
Topeka,
meaning
in
Maryland
and
I
was
in
error.
As
MS
frechner
wrote,
there
is
no
such
thing
as
Topeka
in
Maryland,
but
there
is
Tacoma
Park
Maryland
and
for
the
record
my
reference
should
have
been
to
Tacoma
Park.
G
Furthermore,
at
the
end
of
that
paragraph,
on
page,
three
I
suggested
that
the
issue
of
a
16
year
old
voting
will
come
up
in
the
session
until
today
it
did
not
appear
as
though
it
might,
but
today
we
get
the
word
that
some
members
of
the
ledge
intend
to
bring
it
up
as
a
separate
item.
It
will
not
be
part
of
Senate
Bill,
180
or
house
bill
4.,
but
there
there
is
a
move
at
the
present.
G
E
D
E
Haven't
read
the
bill
in
its
entirety?
What
is
what's
the
number
please.
G
E
The
election
code
to
allow
residents
who
are
at
least
16
years
of
age,
to
vote
in
elections
this
bill
also
repeals
sections
1-1-5-10
and
miss
the
a
1978
which
defines
a
qualified
resident
as
an
individual
under
the
age
of
who
otherwise
satisfied
voter
eligibility
requirements.
I'll
be
happy
to
have
this
to
you.
D
Okay,
Matters
from
the
chair
I,
do.
D
Want
to
restructure
our
subcommittees
because
of
the
overlap
that
you're
hearing
about
between
the
topics
on
city,
council,
districts
and
governance
issues
I
think
it's
it's
just
going
to
work
better
and
we're
not
going
to
have
to
worry
about
bleeding
over
one
into
the
other
and
where
conversations
have
to
cut
off.
I
think
it'll
be
a
more
complete
review
if
we
collapse
those
two
committees.
D
So
with
that,
that
means
that
commissioner
Ortiz
would
join
the
existing
committee
that
commissioner
deirdack
chairs,
which
is
the
subcommittee
on
counselor
District
issues
and
boards
and
commissions,
and
all
of
those
topics,
then
would
be
covered
by
that
committee
and
commissioner
Amador
Guzman
will
be
off
of
that
committee
and
will
just
assist
me
with
within
the
items
that
that
we
need
help
with
so
I
hope
that
that
will
expedite
the
discussion
and
consideration
and
remove
some
of
the
the
barriers
that
seem
to
be
cropping
up
and
as
it
turned
out,
there
is
a
lot
of
overlapping.
D
Commissioner
Ortiz
warned
me
about
that
when
we
first
created
these
subcommittees,
that's
why
she's
smiling.
So
that
will
be
a
committee
of
four,
so
I
won't
attend
that
and
neither
will
the
vice
chair.
Then
we
have
the
the
new
topics
of
recall
referendum
and
initiative,
which
all
seem
to
go
together
and
I'm
open
to
your
suggestions
about
where
that
should
go.
I
know,
commissioner.
D
Pettis
is
interested
in
those,
but
you
are
on
both
committees.
Aren't
you
now
we
have
two
committees,
so
it
it
seems
to
be
more
appropriate
in
the
governance
Council
District
committee,
so
I
think
I'll
assign
them
to
that
committee.
D
More
topics
for
you
thank
you
and
if
we
need
some
help
on
those
Aaron,
I
guess
we'll
just
reach
out
and
to
you
and
see
if
we
need
help
with
any
research.
I
know
you're
short-handed,
but
we'll
just
let
you
know
or
maybe
a
presentation
at
the
next
meeting,
but
we
can
talk
about
that
when
we
are
putting
the
agenda
together.
Thank.
D
D
I
D
B
D
Okay,
that's
all
I
had
so
our
next
meeting
is
Thursday
February
23rd.
It
will
be
here
at
five
o'clock.
As
a
reminder,
both
of
our
meetings
in
March
are
virtual
right.
We
voted
to
do
that.
So
I
think
that
should
be
helpful
to
people
in
March,
hopefully,
and
if
we
need
to
do
an
additional
meeting
in
March,
we
can
look
at
that
at
the
next
meeting.
If
people
are
interested
in
that,
especially
if
we
don't
need
space
for
it,
you
know
it's
easier
to
do.
D
E
Madam,
chair,
I'm,
just
curious,
I,
don't
know
if
it's
appropriate
to
ask
the
question
now
in
terms
of
meetings
in
terms
of
public
hearings,
we
really
need
to
perhaps
identify
when
they
might
be
happening.
The
public
hearings
in
order
to
allow,
if
we're
going,
to
have
public
hearings
in
order
to
allow
staff
time
to
organize
the
location
and
are
we
not
going
to
have
public
hearings
or
public
comments
during
each.
D
Of
I
think
all
of
our
meetings
are
really
public
hearings.
We
invite
public
comment,
they're
open
to
the
public,
but
I
think
your
idea
of
having
a
report
or
draft
report
or
draft
recommendations
on
the
resource
page
and
asking
the
public
to
comment.
It
comment
insufficient
time
before
we
finalize
that
as
a
good
one,
and
maybe
you
can
get
some
more
public
comment
then,
but
I
don't
know
that
we'll
actually
have
a
separate
public
hearing
unless
staff
thinks
otherwise.
B
It
might
be
helpful
once
you
have
some
proposals
to
get
specific
feedback
on
those,
because
right
now
we
don't
know
what
you're
recommending,
although
you
might
want
public
feedback
to
know
what
you're
recommending,
which
I
think
is
kind
of
the
purpose
of
what
we're
doing
right
now.
So
it
might
be
more
clear
once
you
know
a
little
bit
more
about
where
you're
going
right.
D
E
Coordinating
public
hearings
is,
is
an
effort
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
do
it
justice
when
we
we
have
something
to
report
and
allow
people
to
come.
Of
course,
each
meeting
is
our
public
comment.
Has
a
public
comment
portion
but
I
know
with
the
redistrating
commission.
People
wanted
to
come
in
and
face
to
face,
share
their
concerns
and
issues,
and
so,
if
we
could
perhaps
at
least
tentatively
throw
one
date
out
there
to
be
thinking
about
just
just
offering
that
suggestion.
B
E
I'm
I
guess
I'm
envisioning
our
our
draft
material
to
be
put
on
the
website,
the
language
that
we
are
suggesting
from
each
of
the
Committees
that
this
commission
has
looked
at,
and
we've
said
yes
that
looks
good
and
then
that
material
be
put
on
the
website
and
allow
the
community
to
respond
to
either
letter
or
phone
call
to
you
or
comment
on
on
Zoom
or
even
come
into
a
meeting
and
address
that
now.
E
I,
don't
know
if
we
were
wanting
to
do
that,
but
but
I
know,
there's
just
one
more
Avenue
to
allow
the
community
to
to
talk
to
us.
Let
us
know
what
they
think
and
be
passionate,
and
let
us
know
what
Direction
they
want
us
to
go
in
if
we're
going
in
the
right
direction.
Great,
if
not
perhaps,
we've
missed
something.
I
just
want
to
give
the
community
that
opportunity
and
I
don't
know.
If
that's
what
we
were
wanting
to
do,
that's
what
I
envisioned.
B
The
chair
along
Commissioners
I,
think
the
primary
distinction
I'm
hearing
is
that
we
would
have
proposals
for
feedback
to
come
about
because
I
think
right
now
folks
are
welcome
to
to
email.
Folks
are
welcome
to
come
in,
they're,
welcome
to
come
on
to
zoom
and
and
we
have
coordinated
it
so
and
so
we're
planning
to
have
those
options
at
every
meeting.
B
But
if
there's
additional
coordination
that
that
you're,
anticipating
I,
want
to
understand
what
type
of
planning
we
might
need
to
get
in
place
to
go
beyond
the
opportunity
for
written
comment,
the
opportunity
for
Zoom
the
opportunity
to
show
up
in
public,
which
is
what
we
plan
to
have
I,
think
at
every
meeting.
Okay,.
I
Maybe
by
the
end
I'll
get
this
I
was
just
wondering
seriously
if
it's
possible
to
have
the
proposals
or
the
the
the
draft
proposals
even
published,
like
in
in
the
newspaper
I'm,
trying
to
figure
out
how
do
we
get
the
public
to
participate?
We
had
one
person
tonight.
This
is
our
what
fourth
meeting.
So
we
have
no
public
input.
We
have
two
and
and
that's
disturbing
to
me,
because
what
we're
doing
is
deciding
how
85
000
people
are
going
to
be
governed.
D
D
I
think
you
know
most
most
people
will
be
looking
for
online
information.
That's
where
they
get
their
information,
so
I
think
we
can
be
making
a
plan
for
that.
J
Madam,
chair
I
have
a
proposal.
If
you
will.
D
J
I
think,
looking
at
what
Aaron
mentioned
before
right,
we're
we're
looking
at
finalizing
everything
by
May,
10th
and
then
working
backwards
right,
so
I'm
thinking.
If
we
have
a
commission
meeting
for
March
30th
I
believe,
can
we
aim
to
have
our
proposed
recommendations
ready
on
that
date,
then
allow
for
those
two
weeks
until
our
next
meeting
for
public
comment
and
I
think
yeah
I
mean
there
could
be
on
the
website,
City
social
media
right.
We
can
ask
the
newspaper
to
do
it,
I'd
be
happy
to
do.
J
You
know
Spanish
radio
interview
about
it
or
we
can
figure
out
how
to
get
the
word
out,
but
allow
for
those
two
weeks
come
back
incorporate
whatever
feedback
we
get.
That
seems
appropriate
and
then
that
will
keep
us
on
track
to
to
submit
our
final
recommendations,
I
think
by
May
10th,
so
I'm,
just
sort
of
proposing
a
timeline
for
us
to
to
accomplish.
F
A
E
As
well,
I
think
that's
a
great
idea,
I
from
experience
with
the
redistricting
commission.
Even
though
we
have
public
commented
all
our
hearings,
we
wanted
people
to
attend,
but
it's
my
been
my
experience
until
you
have
something
for
them
to
react
to
that,
it's
a
little
bit
more
difficult
to
bring
them
in
once
we
get
some
direction
in
terms
of
what
we're
wanting
to
send
to
the
governance
regarding
the
updates
to
the
Charter,
and
we
put
it
on
the
website.
E
I
agree
given
a
couple
of
weeks,
whatever
it
takes
to
to
allow
it
to
be
digested
and-
and
we
may
not
get
a
lot
of
comment
but
I
I-
think
it's
incumbent
on
us
and
our
responsibility
to
put
that
out
there
to
allow
the
citizens
of
the
city
to
look
at
that
if
they
choose
to.
But
publicity
will
need
to
be
pretty
quick
and
strong
in
order
to
get
that.
That
word
out,
but
I
agree
with
the
timeline.
I
think
that's
a
great
idea!
Thank
you.