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B
C
B
You
all
right,
let's
call
the
community
health
and
safety
task
force
meeting
for
January
10
2023.
To
order
can
we
have
a
roll
call,
please
I,
don't
know
Julie
or
palletia
whoever's
doing
it.
D
Happy
to
to
step
in
roll
call
co-chairs,
Rene
Villareal.
E
F
A
D
Welcoming
our
the
Santa
Fe
fire
department,
team
members
and
also
our
community
member
Sarah,
thank
you
all
for
joining
us
this
evening.
Please
let
me
know
if
I
missed
anybody,
we've
got
Mike
Wagner
and
David
brochures
and
Brian
Moya
and
Stephen
Johnson.
Thank
you
all
for
making
the
time
for
us
this
evening
and
being
with
us
and
sharing
your
your
expertise.
So
I'll
pause
there
back
to
you
Chris,
or
would
you
like
me
to
continue
through
the.
B
Agenda,
thank
you.
Valeria,
we're
on
to
approval
of
the
minutes
from
December
6th,
any
changes
that
anybody
noticed.
B
D
Guess
absolutely
co-chairs.
E
A
H
B
Thank
you,
communication
from
co-chairs,
Renee
I'll.
Let
you
go
first.
E
E
Is
that,
okay
with
everybody
just
just
flip
it
around,
since
we
have
our
guests?
So
I'll
just
make
a
motion
to
change
our
agenda
so
that
we
have
the
presentation
first
and
then
the
communications
from
the
chairs
and
also
the
facilitator,
as
well
as
the
task
force
members
and
any
updates
before
we
go
into
our
breakouts.
B
Yeah
I
do
want
to
take
a
second
to
just
apologize
to
community
members
who
thought
the
meeting
was
at
five
o'clock.
It
was
noticed
that
way.
Typically,
we
never
meet
at
five
o'clock.
So
I
don't
know
what
happened
there.
We
usually
meet
at
5
30,
so
you
know
I
apologize
for
for
any
issues
that
or
any
problems
that
may
have
brought.
J
B
So
you
know
we're
we're
meeting
now.
30
minutes
later,
so
hope,
that's
okay!
If
you
need
to
call
myself
for
Renee
to
talk
about
that,
that's
probably
fine,
so
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that.
B
All
right,
let's
go
directly
to
presentations,
Mental
Health,
First,
Responders,
Chief,
Johnson
you're
listed
as
this
so
I
assume
you're
you're
gonna
take
the
lead
on
this
and
then
probably
pass
it
on.
So
it's
under
you.
A
Thank
you,
chairman
Madam,
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
good
evening.
It's
my
honor
to
introduce
this
presentation
given
by
Captain
Mike
Wagner
and
Captain
David
Rochas
in
the
fire
department.
A
It
is
a
a
presentation
about
PTSD
within
the
fire
department
and
First
Responders.
They
have
a
short
clip,
a
short
trailer
that
we
try
to
start
with
and
and
I'll
try
to
share
my
screen
on
that.
You
can
give
me
just
in
seconds.
E
And
while
we're
waiting
you
it's
good
to
see
you
guys
again,
we
had
this
presentation
of
the
quality
of
life
committee
and
then
you
also
presented
at
what
other
department
or
what
other
committee.
A
Public
Safety
Public
Safety.
Okay,
great,
can
you
see
my
screen.
E
E
Do
you
have
rights
to
the
students
Julie.
A
E
But
I
it's
separate
from
like
what
you're
hearing
on
the
video
from
on
your
own
side,
but
I
can't
remember:
does
anyone
know
what
that
what
you
need
to
do
to
put
the
sound
through.
K
F
J
F
I
F
A
Sure
go
ahead,
Captain
brochures.
C
Good
evening,
everyone,
my
name-
is
David
brochus
I'm,
a
captain
here
in
Santa
Fe
fire
at
station
four
on
B
shift.
C
C
They
actually
have
a
schedule
that
they
have
four
shifts
where
we
have
three
shifts
in
our
department.
I
should
have
mentioned
that
in
in
past,
in
past
meetings,
so
and
in
speaking
with
the
the
maker
like
this
is
a
this
is
an
issue,
that's
happening
Countrywide
and
it
doesn't
matter
what
schedule
people
are
working
post-traumatic
stress
is
is
running
rampant
through
the
first
responder
ranks.
C
Give
you
a
little
background.
We
gave
myself
and
captain
training.
Captain
Wagner
gave
this
presentation
to
the
entire
field,
and
our
purpose
in
doing
that,
was
to
break
the
stigma
and
show
that
our
our
culture
is
changing
in
our
fire
department
and
we're
going
to
be
vulnerable,
and
so
we
showed
this.
C
The
entire
documentary
Mike
Wagner
and
I
shared
our
personal
stories,
which
I'll
share
with
you
in
a
little
bit,
and
then
we
laid
out
all
of
the
the
tools
and
resources
that
our
department
has
at
our
disposal
and
so
I'll
just
go
ahead
and
share
your
story
and
if
you
guys
haven't
seen
the
the
documentary
I
strongly
encourage
you
to
watch
it
because
there's
a
lot
of
parallels,
that's
what's
going
on
in
Tacoma,
that's
leading
to
the
same
issues
in
Santa,
Fe
call
volume
rise,
Verizon
and
violent
and
violent
crime
homeless
population.
C
C
So
that's
a
significant
increase
and
we've
done
it
with
only
adding
two
apparatus
in
that
14
years,
we've
added
medic,
2
and
medic,
six,
no
news
stations
and
no
new
fire
engines,
and
then,
on
top
of
that,
like
this
morning,
you
know
we
still
have
to
we
work.
40
hour
shifts.
We
had
to
go
shop
and
cook
for
our
guys.
We
had
to
go
drive
to
the
airport
from
station
four,
which
is
by
St
Vincent's
Hospital,
to
do
airport
familiarization
training.
C
C
It's
everything,
that's
involved
in
the
job
and
I,
haven't
done
a
good
job,
explaining
that
in
the
past
presentation
that
it's
not
just
the
calls
it's
it's
having
to
do
all
the
other
little
things
on
top
of
the
calls
and
not
getting
that
mental
break.
C
But
to
share
my
story
with
you
on
February,
19th
of
or
February
22nd
of
2019
I
was
a
member
of
the
heavy
rescue
at
the
time
and
we
got
a
call
for
a
major
motor
vehicle
accident
with
entrapment
at
Saint.
Francis
and
hickoks
ended
up
being
two
fatalities
on
that
call:
a
father
and
a
son.
C
The
father's
name
was
Dominic
and
me,
and
a
guy
on
my
crew
ended
up
working
a
code
on
a
nine-year-old
boy
named
Jeremiah,
and
that
call
was
absolutely
the
the
straw
that
broke
the
camel's
back
so
to
speak.
You
know,
I'd
seen
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
difficult
calls
in
my
career,
but
this
one
absolutely
broke
me.
I
I
was
crying
at
the
hospital
hearing
his
mother
scream.
Why?
Why
why
I
went
home?
C
C
This
this
led
to
a
series
of
events
fast
forward
about
a
year
and
a
half
to
May
of
2020,
my
wife
and
I
had
started
a
charity
drive
for
a
gentleman
in
an
apartment
that
needed
a
life-saving
surgery,
thankful
to
see
that
he's
back
on
duty,
but
in
the
middle
of
this
charity
drive
when
I
was
doing
what
I
thought
I
was
was
the
best
thing
I've
ever
done
in
my
life,
I
had
a
legitimate
plan,
I'd
gotten
solo
because
of
the
events
of
the
from
that
day
that
car
accident.
C
Until
then
that
as
soon
as
as
soon
as
marcos's
Charity
Drive
was
complete,
I
was
going
to
take
my
own
life
I,
had
a
legitimate
plan,
I
gotten
all
my
financial
documents
in
order
for
so
that
way,
my
wife-
she
wouldn't
have
to
do
anything.
C
Luckily,
I
made
a
last-ditch
effort
and
I'm
still
here
and
that's
kind
of
the
point.
Is
we
wanna
I
I
want
to
share
my
story
and
and
Captain
Wagner
has
his
own
story,
but
this
is
the
kind
of
thing
that
we
shared
with
our
department
to
be
vulnerable
and
let
other
guys
be
vulnerable
in
the
same
way
and
get
the
help
that
they
need,
so
that
no
one
gets
in
the
spot
that
we
were
in
and
I'll
go
ahead
and
give
the
floor
to
Mike
Wagner.
M
M
I
was
diagnosed
with
PTSD
several
years
ago,
and
I
too
had
contemplated
suicide
for
probably
over
a
year
didn't
want
to
leave.
My
family
didn't
didn't
want
to
die,
but
I
was
in
so
much
pain
and
I
was
in
such
a
dark
place
that
that
definitely
seemed
like
an
option
for
me,
which
is
really
hard
to
say-
and
it's
really
scary,
but
we're
here
to
do
something
about
that
to
try
to
prevent
suicides
in
the
future.
M
M
That's
due
to
volunteers,
not
being
included
in
the
data,
that's
due
to
protecting
firefighter
dignity
and
their.
You
know,
life
insurance
benefits
stuff,
like
that.
Also,
a
lot
of
the
retirees
are
not
being
included
in
those
numbers
you
know
after
they
are
separated
from
the
Department.
M
M
M
It's
also
scary,
at
the
same
time,
because
I'm
seeing
more
people
talk
about
the
struggles
they're
going
through
about
30
35
of
firefighters
will
develop
symptoms
of
PTSD
and
we're
also
five
times
more
likely
to
commit
suicide
than
those
of
the
General
Public.
M
We
are
trying
to
bring
awareness
to
our
department,
but
we
can
only
do
so
much.
We
are
giving
trainings.
We
are
developing
a
peer
support
group
right
now,
which
is
kind
of
the
first
line
of
help
for
firefighters,
where
they
can
call
up
somebody
who's
trained
in
the
in
the
peer
support
realm
and
have
kind
of
like
an
informal
counseling
session
and
have
somebody
to
talk
to
or
to
help
find
a
more
serious
resources.
M
We
also
have
a
service
from
peer
support.
Psychology
Group,
which
is
a
psychology
group
out
of
Albuquerque,
that
we
have
a
contract
with
that
we're
able
to
seek
specialized,
Mental,
Health
Resources,
you
know
they
just
they
just
treat
First
Responders
and
what's
good
about
that,
is
that
they
understand
our
job.
They
understand
things
that
we
see,
they
understand
the
sacrifices
of
family
life
and
how
that
plays
into
everything.
So
it's
it's
a
excellent
resource
that
we
have
where
we're
able
to
go
talk
to
somebody
who
already
understands
our
job.
M
On
top
of
that,
we
really
need
more
resources.
We,
we
really
need
more
Personnel
to
to
face
this
problem,
so
I'm
just
here
to
say
that
this
is
a.
This
is
a
real
problem,
I'm,
seeing
it
with
a
lot
of
my
good
friends,
there's
a
lot
of
people
in
our
department
suffering
at
very
high
rates
and,
like
Captain
brochure,
said
it's
not
solely
due
to
the
the
graphic
nature
of
the
calls
that
we
go
on,
because
there
are
definitely
many
of
those.
M
M
Suicides
are
really
hard
calls
to
go
on
and
not
only
the
things
that
we
see,
but
it's
taking
on
some
of
the
pain
from
the
families
and
the
bystanders.
It's
again
like
Captain
brochures
said
it's
hearing
a
mother
scream
for
her
dead
child
or
trying
to
bargain
all
of
these
things
they
stick
with
us,
while
we
think
where
we're
handling
them
at
some
period
of
time.
M
That's
about
it
for
me,
I
I
really
really
appreciate
you
all
having
us
here
and
hearing
us
out
and
for
your
time
and
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
for
you.
B
Thank
you,
Captain
Chief
Moya.
Anything
you
want
to
add.
F
I'll
just
wait
for
questions
Mr,
chair
and
Madam
chair,
we'll
just
wait
for
questions
and
we'll
go
from
there.
I
think
they've
summed
it
up
perfectly
I'll.
Just
wait
and
we'll
ask
her
answer
any
questions.
People
have.
E
Before
we
before
we
questions,
I,
just
I
just
wanted
to
to
again
think
our
Catherine's
Wagner
and
vicious
to
be
able
to
share
their
stories.
Maybe
it
gets
easier,
each
time,
I'm,
not
sure,
but
I,
but
I
sure
appreciate
that
you're
able
to
give
us
your
personal
experiences.
Your
lived
experiences
to
show
what
that's
like
and
you
know,
Chris
might
not
share
with
us.
But
you
know
at
times
things
that
have
happened
in
the
past.
Stick
with
you
even
locations
of
where
things
have
occurred.
E
You
you
recall
that
traumatic
experience
so
I
just
wanted
to.
Thank
you
all
for
for
sharing
that
experience,
and
the
one
thing
I
did
say
in
the
last
meeting
is
that
taking
care
and
taking
care
of
your
mental
health
and
well-being
and
also
creates
empathy
so
that
you're
able
to
empathize
for
situations
that
you're
in
that
are
stressful,
and
it
also
ultimately
helps
you
do
your
job
better,
because
that
empathy
will
then
help
you
better
serve
the
community.
E
That's
experiencing
the
same
kind
of
trauma
and
crisis
situation,
so
I
think
those
are
to
me
that
goes
hand
in
hand.
The
importance
of
your
health
and
well-being
and
how
it's
it
supports
our
community's
health
and
well-being
and
then
the
other
thing
is
I.
Think
the
reflection
of
the
pain
and
Trauma
that
you
experience
is
also
a
reflection
of
the
pain
and
Trauma
that
our
communities
are
experiencing.
So
when
you're,
seeing
those
calls
tick
up.
E
E
N
A
Chief
and
captains.
Thank
you
for
again
sharing
your
story
and
helping
us
as
the
task
force,
understand
and
humanize
the
the
experiences
that
that
you
and
the
members
of
the
fire
department
what
you
go
through
I
think
it's
an
incredible
step
that
you're
taking
to
vocalize
and
share
your
stories
with
within
the
department.
I
think
my
question
will
go
to
what
what
resources.
N
Do
members
of
the
department
have
when
they
are
experiencing
PTSD
and
that's
that's,
namely:
are
there
counselors
available
either
in-house
or
or
or
contracted,
and
and
and
what
other
resources?
In
addition
to
sharing
the
experiences,
then
what
helped
do
do?
Does
someone
receive
within
the
department
after
that.
A
E
Bruce,
can
you
mute
yourself
please
thank
you.
E
J
A
Group
within
the
fire
department
called
our
peer
support
group.
These
are
these
are
folks
that
have
been
taking
professional
training
for
underclass,
taking
special
painting
on
just
how
to
recognize
people
that
are
that
are
under
enormous
emotional
stress
and
then
learning
how
to
connect
with
them
or
or
visit
with
them
and
direct
them
to
further
resources
that,
if
need
be,
we
also
contract
with
the
psychology
group
out
of
Albuquerque
that
provides
one-on-one
counseling
sessions
or
any
any
member
of
our
fire
department.
A
They
also
provide
our
critical
incident
stress
debriefing
services
that
if
we
have
a
an
unusually
significant
call
or
disturbing
call
of
that
team
or
that
crew
can
reach
out
and
and
this
group
The
SVG
will
send
counselor
up
to
Albuquerque
within
the
same
day
and
so
many
times
within
just
a
few
hours,
and
so
that
we
can
gather
that
group
and
have
a
debriefing
kind
of
a
group.
A
J
M
I
would
I
would
like
to
add
a
resource.
I
was
able
to
utilize.
This
is
Captain
Wagner
when
I
got
to
the
lowest
of
Lowe's,
and
you
know,
I
was
looking
at
suicide
as
as
an
option.
M
I
was
able
to
get
treatment
at
an
inpatient
treatment
facility
in
Draper
Utah,
where
I
spent
37,
Days
and
I
was
able
to
learn
a
lot
and
learn
a
lot
of
what
it
takes
to
to
come
out.
The
other
side
of
PTSD,
the
the
resiliency
and
so
I'm
very
fortunate
to
have
been
able
to
do
that,
but
that
would
be
a
more
high
level
resource
that
we
have
for
our
firefighters,
the
national
firefighters
Union
has
a
a
senate.
M
They
call
it
the
center
for
excellence
and
that's
a
that's,
a
firefighter
specific
PTSD
treatment.
That's
also
inpatient.
That's
a
that's
about
30
to
40
days
depending
on
the
patients
there.
So
in
some
more
extreme
circumstances,
we
have
that.
But
it's
we
really
want
to
to
get
our
members
better,
because
if
we're
not
okay,
we're
not
able
to
provide
our
services
to
the
best
of
our
ability
to
the
citizens.
So
that's
that's.
Why
I
think
this
is?
B
Thank
you,
Captain
Wagner,
any
other
questions,
comments.
I
First
I
just
I
want
to
celebrate
your
bravery,
each
and
every
one
of
you
for
stepping
out
of
your
comfort
zone
and
your
willingness
to
school
us
to
teach
us
and
to
Humble
us
and
to
celebrate
what
you
do
every
day.
I
want
to
start
by
saying
that
my
question
is:
is
the
city
doing
anything
to
respond
to
these
needs
and
if
so,
it
sounds
like
there's
some
resources.
What
is
missing?
I
What
is
what
is
it
that
we
need
to
know
and
how
we
can
deliver
that
message
to
those
that
can
figure
out
what
the
needs
are
right
and
and
I
and
I
want
to
know
what
that
is,
because
when
we
talk
about
the
things
that
are
getting
in
the
way
of
us
being
at
our
best,
we
also
need
to
figure
out.
What
is
the
need,
and
so
my
question
is:
is
that
if
any
of
you
or
all
of
you
can
respond
to
that.
F
Madam,
chair
Mr,
chair
and
members
of
committee,
yeah,
Mary,
Louise,
I,
think
I
think
we're
starting
with
cultural
shift.
I
think
that's
where
we
are
when
I
came
in
it
was
you
bottle
it
up?
You
go
on
the
next
call
and
you
move
forward
by
bringing
captain
brochus
and
Captain
Wagner
up
with
these
conversations,
changing
the
shift
changing
how
we
present
things.
We've
also
had
different
ways
of
when
we
had
these
major
calls.
We
bring
this
pspg
in
they
do
debriefings
at
the
beginning.
F
F
Take
the
ambulance
like
paramedic
Wagner
used
to
be,
and
now
he's
a
captain,
take
him
out
of
service
and
let
them
have
that
time
to
BR.
You
know
take
that
break
we're
still
developing
we're
still
trying
to
get
it.
This
peer
support
team,
we're
adding
more
members,
I
think
Captain
Wagner's
in
the
class
this
week,
so
he's
in
Albuquerque.
This
week,
taking
that
class
I
think
that's
true.
F
So
we
out
we
had
five
members
and
now
we're
going
up
to
10.,
so
I
think
more
of
it
is
a
cultural
shift.
We
have
the
resources
to
pay
pspg
we're
going
to
expand
the
contract.
We
have
more
people
using
that
contract.
I
only
ask
we
only
need
to
send
them
their
names.
F
We
don't
need
to
send
anything
else.
I
think
something
that
that
was
brought
to
my
attention
by
retiree.
This
week
was
we
might
need
to
if
you
retire
from
the
Santa
Fe
fire
department.
We
offer
this
opportunity
to
you
for
so
many
years.
I
think
that's
something
that
our
retiree
brought
to
my
attention.
When
we
separate
there
all
the
resources
have
dropped,
so
I
think
that's
something
that
we
as
a
department
or
as
a
city
need
to
say.
F
You
gave
us
21
years
or
however
many
years
you
gave
us,
we
should
be
able
to
support
you
to
be
able
to
go
talk
to
a
counselor.
Go,
have
issues
sleeping
a
lot
of
people
tell
me
it
takes
them
six
to
eight
months
after
they
retire
to
understand.
You
know
it's
that
bail
goes
off
and
they're
not
there
to
you
know
they.
Don't
they
don't
understand
that
they
keep
getting
up
at
night,
so
I
think
we're
moving
in
the
right
direction.
F
It's
a
very
slow
process
by
captain
brochus
and
Captain
White
are
coming
out
of
their
shells
and
sharing
these
experiences.
This
is
great.
They
did
the
training
for
the
department
they
shared
this
video.
We
have
we're
just
it's,
it's
a
train
that
needs
to
move
in
a
small,
different
direction
and
we're
starting
to
get
there.
F
I
Thank
you
for
sharing
that
and
thank
you
for
being
a
leader
with
integrity
and
willingness
to
be
vulnerable
with
your
team,
because
that
matters
so
much,
and
so
thank
you
for
that
and
thanks
everybody
that
came
on
on
this
meeting
today.
I
think
that
each
and
every
one
of
us,
when
we
get
off
of
this
Zoom
call
this.
L
Thank
you,
I'd
like
to
Echo,
obviously
what
everyone
else
has
said
and
thanking
you
for
coming
forward
and
sharing
this
important
information
with
us
and
we
are
in
a
position
to
be
able
to
make
recommendations.
We
don't
know
if
the
council
will
take
them
in
the
course
of
this
next
year
and
so
kind
of
along
the
lines
of
what
Mary
Louise
was
asking.
L
You
know
what
specifically
you
you
all
need
to
help
ameliorate
this
situation,
and
so
you
know
what
we've
heard
or
what
I've
heard
is
is
there
needs
to
be
more
break
time
and
that's
a
staffing
issue
between
calls.
You
need
and-
and
it
exacerbates
the
problem
to
have
one
right
after
the
other
and
so
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
and
then
the
second.
The
second
question
I
have
just
is
about
the
mental
health
support
and
the
services,
and
it
sounds
like
you're
going
to
expand
this
program
with
the
psychology
the.
L
What
is
it
the
peer
support
group
out
of
Albuquerque,
and
forgive
me
for
not
my
ignorance,
my
captains
and
and
to
that
when
you
talk
about
the
inpatient,
because
that
sounds
like
it
was
really
helpful.
When
you
talk
about
the
inpatient
treatment
who
pays
for
that,
is
it
the
union?
Is
it
the
city?
L
Are
these
Services
because
that
you
know
a
27
day
or
a
37
day,
treatment
in
in
person,
treatment
is
seems
like
that,
would
be
really
expensive,
and
so
are
those
other
services
that
the
city
should
be
kicking
in
for
do
they
already
pray
for
them?
Can
you
explain
to
us
a
little
bit
just
how
that
works,
and,
and
if
that
is
also
an
additional
need
and
Beyond
just
Staffing
and
more
mental
health
support
services?
If
there's
anything
else
that
we
could,
on
your
behalf,
recommend
to
the
city
as
we
put
together
our
report.
L
M
You
I
can
take
part
of
this
question.
Madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
when
I
went
to
the
my
inpatient
treatment,
it
was
covered
by
insurance
and
it
was
approved
by
insurance.
So
I
got
approval
to
to
go
to
the
program.
M
Unfortunately,
a
couple
weeks
into
the
program,
the
doctor
called
me
into
her
office
and
said
that
the
insurance
company
was
trying
to
fight
it,
that
they
were
trying
to
recommend
that
I
go
to
an
outpatient
program,
and
so,
while
I
was
dealing
with
everything,
I
was
dealing
with
I
had
the
the
added
stress
of
well.
Maybe
this
might
not
be
covered.
How
much
am
I
going
to
get
stuck
with,
because
my
my
35
day
treatment
was
about
forty
thousand
dollars,
and
so
so
that
was
an
additional
stress
and
I.
M
M
The
cost
of
my
of
my
training
so
or
my
treatment
I
did
have
to
pay
about
2700
out
of
pocket,
and
that
was
just
for
meals
and
and
that
kind
of
stuff
like
the
housing
and
then
my
airfare
out
there
and
and
back
so
it
really
wasn't
too
bad.
On
my
end,
after
I
got
past
the
stress
of
worrying,
if
I
was
even
going
to
be
able
to
continue
with
that
treatment,
Captain
brochures
can
answer
a
little
bit
more
into
what
our
Union
is
doing.
M
For
that
we
are
trying
to
develop
a
program
where
we
will
financially
assist
people
when
it
comes
to
flying
out
there
and
and
doing
the
you
know
paying
for
the
meals
and
that
kind
of
stuff,
as
well
as
helping
cover
with
you,
know,
sick
leave
or
annual
leave
that
they
may
need
to
be
out
there.
M
When
I
guess,
we
were
allowed
to
go
in
the
negative
on
sick
leave,
so
after
I
came
out
of
all
of
that,
I
had
to
build
up
all
that
time
back
and
so
I
think
we're
doing
some
some
things
where
we
can
start
a
fund
where
we
can
either
donate
time
or
other
Financial
Resources
to
to
help
people
get
through
that,
because,
when
somebody's
going
through
this
Despair-
and
you
know,
have
this
relationship
problems
where
they
might
have
a
marriage,
you
know
on
the
line
or
their
job
on
the
line
or
the
lives.
M
We
as
a
union
want
to
do
whatever
we
can
to
to
help
take
some
of
that
unnecessary
stress
off
of
their
plate,
so
Captain
brochures
can
really
answer
more
to
what
the
union
is
doing.
As
far
as
that
goes,
thank
you.
Yeah.
C
So
I'm
I
am
currently
the
union
health
and
safety
chair
and
in
our
in
our
recent
discussions,
one
of
the
things
I
was
trying
to
propose
is
that
right
now,
like
Captain
Captain
Wagner
talked
about,
he
had
to
use
his
own
sick
leave
and
annual
leave
to
go
do
this.
But
this
is
truly
an
on-the-job
injury
and
it's
actually
covered
by
presumptive
dis.
C
Post-Traumatic
stress
is
a
presumptive
disability
in
the
state
of
New
Mexico,
so
we're
trying
to
I
know
that's
a
negotiated
negotiated
thing
between
the
union
and
and
management,
but
that's
one
of
my
main
pushes,
because
on
the
union,
health
and
safety
side,
we've
done
a
really
good
job
of
identifying
physical
hazards
like
cancer
reduction.
Things
like
that.
C
My
big
push
now
is
the
mental
health
side
because,
like
Captain
Wagner
said,
there's
a
there's,
a
a
pretty
decent
chunk
of
our
department
that
are
utilizing
the
services
of
of
the
pspg
and
in
the
peer
support
group.
So
it's
a
bigger
issue
that
needs
to
be
addressed
and
like,
like
Captain
weiner
said,
is
when
you're
trying
to
get
help
for
something.
That's
happened
from
on
the
job,
an
on-the-job,
injury,
it's
a
it's
an
invisible
injury,
but
it's
still
an
on-the-job
injury.
C
You
shouldn't
have
to
worry
about
zeroing
out
your
sick
leave
or
where
or
where
you're
going
to
be
paying
for
that
from
so
but
I've
been
assured
by
not
only
the
head
of
the
Union
but
Chief
Moya
is
like
we'll.
We
will
pay
to
make
sure
people
get
the
help
that
they
need,
because
if,
if
we
don't
act
in
an
appropriate
Manner
and
we
lose
someone,
that's
just
unacceptable
and
I
think
in
anyone's
eyes.
B
Thank
you,
captains.
Any
other
comments
concerns
cheap
oil.
F
F
So
not
only
do
people
that,
like
Captain,
Wagner
and
Captain
Roshes,
know
there's
a
problem
where
other
people
are
trying
to
hide
it,
and
so
they
won't
have
to
speak
to
us.
But
they'll
speak
to
the
physician
or
the
doctor
that
does
their
annual
physicals
and
then
they
can
evaluate
that
so
we're
trying
to
expand
our
resources
to
our
physicals
every
year.
F
So,
if
even
if
you
feel
like
you
have
no
problems
at
all,
it's
an
added
cost
and
that's
not
a
big
deal
to
our
annual
physicals
to
make
sure
that
people
know
hey
I,
didn't
know,
I
had
a
problem
and
now
I
can
have
a
conversation
with
a
psychologist
or
somebody
that
can
help
you
move
along.
So
we're
trying
to
add
things
to
our
physicals
in
the
going
years
to
not
only
deal
with
the
the
body,
but
the
body
too,
because
we
don't
really
touch
that
in
our
current
physical.
B
Sounds
good
Bruce
did
you
have
something
to
say?
No
initially
it
sounded
like
would
cut
you
off
just
want
to
make
sure.
H
So
the
chief
knows
I
worked
for
a
railroad
and,
and
we
had
suicides
by
train
and
they
were
very
horrific.
H
The
railroad
required
the
engineer
and
if
there
was
a
fireman
on
the
head
end
that
viewed
the
incident
to
to
see
a
psychologist
and
before
they
came
back
to
work,
there'd
be
difficult
with
the
fire
department.
Because
a
lot
of
your
calls
are,
you
know
horrific,
but
you
know
the
very
critical
ones
where
you
know
I
got
you
know,
fatalities
and
stuff.
H
Would
that
ever
be
considered
where
you
know
you
mentioned
some
of
the
guys,
try
to
hide
it
or
ladies
try
to
hide
it
and
that's
not
good
either.
So
if
it's
I'm
just
putting
that
out,
if
it's
mandatory,
you
might
catch
those
people
that
are
hesitant
to
to
see
a
psychologist.
B
Thank
you,
Bruce
anybody
else,
any
questions
belated.
Do
you
see
anybody.
J
G
Yeah
I
just
have
a
quick
question.
First
of
all,
thank
you.
Captains
and
Chiefs
for
this
I
think
it's
really
eye-opening
for
us
and
really
hopefully,
will
be
helpful
in
how
we
make
our
report.
One
thing
I
wanted
to
ask
you
all
from
your
perspective.
How
much
do
you
think
the
Sleep
disturbances
always
running
on
hyper
arousal
and
not
getting
a
good
night's
sleep
and
having
sleep
disturbances
contribute
to
the
the
PTSD.
C
C
Mr,
chair,
Madam,
chair
I,
could
speak
to
this
a
little
bit,
Mrs
Raskin.
Of
course
this
is.
This
is
just
one
of
the
factors.
That's
that's
a
revolving
door
that
that
is
something
that
adds
to
it,
of
course,
because
if
you
look
any
at
any
of
the
research
and
what
sleep
deprivation
does
I
Know
Chief
Johnson
was
in
my
presentation
for
training
Captain
based
around
sleep.
C
It
does
have
something
to
do
with
it
and
then
that
that
that
adds
to
the
Staffing
issue
and-
and
it's
just
there's
a
lot
of
different
factors
that
go
into
this.
But
of
course
it
is.
Something
is
something
that
contributes
but
like
I,
like
I
said
in
the
in
the
my
previous
part
of
the
presentation,
is
that
sleep
deprivation
is
is
happening,
Nationwide,
no
matter
what
the
shift
schedule
is.
C
Even
people
that
have
you
know
four
four
shifts
versus
our
three
shifts:
they're
working,
20
24
on
48
off
there's
still
those
those
they're
still
challenges
around
this,
but
I
think
our
department
does
a
very
good
job
as
far
as
like
hey
you
know,
we
need
we
need,
especially
as
a
company
officer.
You
say:
hey
when
you
have
a
chance
today,
go
take
a
nap,
those
kind
of
things.
It's
not
like
we're
we're
trying
to
beat
our
guys
in
the
ground.
B
Any
anything
else.
N
Just
had
a
a
brief
follow-up
relating
to
access
to
services,
you
know
once
someone
is
p-e-r-a
eligible,
you
you're
all.
You
also
have
access
to
retiree
Health
Care
and
the
benefits
through
the
retail
retiree
Health
Care
Authority
is
the
package
of
benefits
that
are
offered
to
retirees
because
they
do
cover
firefighters,
Statewide,
not
just
in
Santa
Fe,
but
Statewide
is
that
package
deficient?
Is
this
something
we
should
be
addressing?
N
Is
this
as
a
city,
but
also
communicating
to
retiree
health
care
that
we've
got
higher
expectations,
especially
as
it
relates
to
the
first
responder
retirement
programs.
F
Madam,
chair
Mr,
chair
mayor's
committee,
Mr
I'll,
be
completely
honest.
None
of
us
are
retired,
so
we
I
don't
think
we
know,
but
I
will
definitely
research
that
I
think
going
on.
That
could
probably
help
us
with
that
is
counselor
Rivera,
I,
I
I,
don't
know
if
we
would
know
anything
about
the
retirement
health
care
plan.
N
Okay,
because
it
I
remember,
recall
correctly
I'm,
you
know
I'm
I'm,
10
years,
almost
out
of
the
this,
the
city's
plan.
They
had
EAP
services.
So
if
I'm,
a
current
employee
assistance
program
services
that,
if
I'm
a
current
employee,
you
know
I
get
counseling
access
to
counseling.
N
But
you
know
those
those
Services
aren't
portable
beyond
the
the
city.
So
I
think
that
that
is
an
important
question.
N
I
think
for
for
your
team,
amongst
your
your
retirees
and
that
you're
close
with
to
see
what
are
the
offerings
of
the
retiree
Healthcare
Authority,
one
to
see
if
they're
there
and
I
there's
no
guarantee
it
is,
and
if
they're
not
there,
what
can
the
city
do
as
a
member
of
retiree
Health
Care
Authority
to
make
sure
that
we
bring
those
Services
into
our
first
for
our
First
Responders
in
retirement,
okay,
yeah.
B
Mr
zamoras
I
think
there
are
services
available
regarding
cancer.
Services,
there's
the
presumptive
presumptive
I
can't
remember
the
exact
wording
that
says
that
if
yeah,
if
a
firefighter
develops
cancer
after
retirement,
that
it
could
be
linked
to
your
your
job
duties
but
I'm,
not
sure,
there's
anything
for
mental
health.
E
Thanks
Valeria
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
shout
out
to
Sarah
Grant
who
loves
to
attend
our
meetings
and
she
had
sent
me
a
resource
and
I
had
known
about
this
book.
But
I
realized
that
the
chapter
you
sent
is
very
relevant
and
I
sent
it
to
Chief
Moya
I
copied
you
on
that
email.
It's.
E
It
may
not
sound
relevant,
but
the
book
is
called
my
grandmother's
hands,
but
there
is
a
chapter
specifically
that's
about
you,
know
policing
and
it's
relevant
to
fire
departments
as
well
and
just
about
things
that
are
dealing
with
trauma,
and
then
they
give.
You
know
some
kind
of
they
give
some
suggestions
about
ways
that
kind
of
Alternative,
Health
and
well-being
methods
that
you
know
if
there's
ways
to
implement
them
or
within
a
department.
So
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that.
E
E
O
I've
unmuted
yeah
thanks
everybody
for
being
here
tonight
and
talking
about
how
you're
trying
to
change
the
culture,
and
that
is
really
fundamental,
and
it
also
doesn't
happen
as
quickly
as
I
wish
that
it
did
and
I
do
think
that
I
mean
most
people
will
agree.
We
got
a
mental
health
crisis
across
the
country,
so
it's
not
just
for
people
in
your
department
who
are
super
stressed.
O
The
more
helpful
you
can
be
with
dealing
with
other
people's
trauma,
but
I
I
would
just
think
that
if
you're
part
of
a
department
and
somebody
kills
themselves
because
they're
so
traumatized
that
that
would
be
super
traumatic
and
so
whatever
it's
going
to
take
to
keep
people
who
are
on
that
edge
off
that
edge
I
would
say
is
worth
every
penny
and
I.
Don't
know
how
we
fund
that,
but
it
seems
pretty
critical.
Thank
you
very
much
for
listening.
D
Happy
to
be
your
eyes,
no,
it
seems
like
folks
are
feeling
complete.
B
Excuse
me,
this
is
real.
Thanks
to
Captain
brochures
and
Captain
Wagner
I've
been
able
to
start
looking
for
help
myself.
B
B
E
B
Thanks
to
again
Captain
Wagner
Captain
Brosius
I've
been
able
to
at
least
start
getting
help
from
myself
in
letting
my
family
see
the
the
Tacoma
video
I
think
has
helped
out
a
lot
for
them.
It's
difficult.
J
B
It's
necessary
and
I.
Think
I
asked
for
this
to
come
up
to
be
presented
at
our
committee,
because
I
think
police
and
fire
reach
that
Breaking
Point
and,
if
you're,
not
in
a
good
frame
of
mind,
you're
gonna,
take
it
out
on
the
patient
or
you're
gonna.
Take
it
out
on
whoever
it
is
that
you're
dealing
with,
and
you
know
we
have
to
get
help
for
all
our
Public
Safety
people,
so
I
hope
hope.
This
hits
everyone
and
again
just
to
appreciate
you
listening
and
and
dealing
with
them.
B
It's
kind
of
sad,
but
a
lot
of
the
retirees
that
I've
spoken
to
are
also
getting
help.
They've
reached
the
point
where
they're
getting
how
from
various
people
and
that's
affecting
all
of
us,
and
it
continues
to
affect
us
long
after
we
retire.
So
thank
you.
C
E
Thank
you,
Chris,
just
I
wish
that
we
didn't
have
to
talk
about
this
on
Zoom
either,
but
much
love,
Chris,
yeah
I.
E
Think
everyone
feels
that
way
just
seeing
the
faces
on
the
zoom,
but
we
just
really
appreciate
that
what
you've
done
and
then
also
just
to
carry
that
for
so
long
is
tired
and
so
I'm
sending
blessings
to
you
and
your
family
and
to
all
of
your
families,
so
just
I
think
if
there's
any
other
questions
or
comments
or
we
can
send
our
love
to
our
the
fire
team
that
came
to
join
us
today
and
we'll
move
on
on
the
agenda.
E
M
Madam,
chair
Mr,
chair
members
of
the
committee
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
I
think
one
thing
that
has
contributed
to
the
culture
as
it
was
before
is
that
at
least
personally
a
lot
of
people
that
I
know
have
always
kind
of
reserved
the
term
PTSD
for
combat
veterans
and
I.
Think
that
just
kind
of
lately,
it's
coming
to
the
surface,
how
much
police
and
and
fire
and
other
First
Responders
are
actually
suffering
from
this
as
well
and
I.
Think
that
that's
that
thinking
is
one
reason
that
we
got
to
this
point.
M
It
was
I,
never
wanted
to
hear
that
I
had
PTSD
when
I
was
diagnosed
because
I
reserved
that
for
Our
Heroes
overseas,
fighting
in
wars
and
seeing
awful
things,
but
after
all
that
I've
learned
and
all
that
I've
been
through
I
was
able
to
realize
that
we're
you
know,
combat
veterans
will
go
overseas
and
you
know
some
of
them
will
will
see
their
buddies
blown
up,
or
you
know
awful
things
like
that,
but
we
are
seeing
awful
things
on
a
daily
basis
and
we're
not
always
ready
for
it.
M
When
that
call
is
going
to
come,
you
could
be
eating
dinner
or
training
and
a
call
comes
out
and
you
gotta
go
and
you
might
be
picking
up
body
parts
off
of
the
street
or
you
might
be
telling
a
mother
that
her
sun
is
not
coming
back
or
there's
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
things,
and
so
I
I,
that's
one
more
thing:
I'd,
like
others
to
understand,
is
that
trauma
is
everywhere
and,
like
some
of
you
have
said
it's
it's
everywhere
in
the
community,
we
are
seeing
it
at
a
higher
level
and
I
think
that
the
other
night
council
member
Via
Real
you
mentioned
empathy
and
how
that
plays
into
it,
I
think
that
the
fire
department
attracts
empathetic
people,
I
think
that
empathetic
people
want
to
help
and
want
to
do
something.
M
M
We
have
your
back
I'm,
really
sorry
to
see
what
you're
going
through
and
if
there's
anything
we
can
do
for
you.
We
got
your
back
love.
You
chief.
E
Thank
you,
Captain
I
think
steam
did
50
Chief
Johnson
to
do
one
again.
A
Madam,
chair,
Mr,
chair
members
of
the
committee
this
morning,
really
extend
my
thank
you,
my
gratitude
for
all
of
your
attentiveness
this
evening
and
and
and
listening
and
your
empathy.
It
means
a
lot
to
myself
and
to
our
department
as
a
whole.
We've
got
a
lot
of
good
folks
in
the
department
that
work
hard
and
do
their
best
and
reviewed
as
Heroes,
but
you
know
everybody
needs
help.
Everybody
needs
to
help
each
other
along
the
way.
So
thank.
I
Yes,
I
just
want
to
recognize,
I
know
that
I
said
I
see
you
and
you
are
each
and
every
one
of
you
are
so
important
to
us
and
thank
you
for
your
work.
But
I
also
want
to
say
this
out
loud.
I
Is
that
when
you
have
trauma
sometimes
passed
on
to
your
family
and
oftentimes,
it
is,
and
so
I
I
want
you
to
know
that
we
see
you,
and
we
also
recognize
that
and
so
take
a
moment
to
just
let
your
family
know
that
there
were
people
on
this
Zoom
call
tonight
that
saw
you
and
that
celebrated
and
appreciated
each
and
every
one
of
you
and
that
we're
gonna
send
some
extra
love
out
there
for
them
as
well,
and
just
to
know
that
that
we
appreciate
your
hard
work
and
your
dedication
to
our
community
in
such
a
huge
way
and
Chris
I
just
want
to
give
you
a
shout
out,
because
we
are
on
this
journey
with
you
and
our
heart
hurts
for
you
and
with
you
as
well,
and
I
and
I
I.
I
E
I'm
just
holding
up
to
see
if
there's
any
other
questions
or
comments
before
we
let
the
fire
team
go
to
their
families
or
go
back
to
work.
I,
don't
know
if
anyone's
at
work
right
now,
but
kept
ambrocious.
C
C
It
still
holds
a
special
place
in
my
heart,
but
it's
it's
good
to
see
him
admit
and
and
say,
like
hey
I
needed
help,
because
there's
a
there's,
a
captain
when
I
first
came
in
I
witnessed
him
retire
and
he
was
a
vibrant
individual
and
over
the
next
10
years,
I
saw
him
drink
himself
to
death
and
ran
the
code
when
he
died,
and
those
are
the
kinds
of
things
that
can
happen
when
you
suffer
in
silence
and
I.
C
Don't
want
anyone
to
do
that
anymore
and
then
you,
you
know,
you
guys
are
bringing
up
our
families
and
that's
something
we
haven't
talked
about
is
not
only
the
mental
stress
on
us
and
maybe
these
these.
These
dark
places
that
we
go
to
in
our
own
minds,
but
the
effect
that
it
has
on
our
families
and
things
like
divorce
rates
and
things
like
that
in
the
first
responder
in
this
first
responder
world,
and
that's
not
only
having
an
impact
on
us.
C
It's
having
the
impact
on
the
future
generation,
because
the
children
and
the
and
the
spouses
are
are
witnessing
this
broken
or
witnessing
and
and
experiencing
these
broken
homes.
And
so
it's
it's
something.
That's
Community
felt
Community
community-wide
it's
not
just
the
people
in
this
department
and
the
people
that
we
respond
to
it's.
C
Everyone
and
I
just
wanted
to
think,
because
it
is
a
global
issue
that
just
you
know
it's
just
like
anyone
in
our
in
our
society
like
they
said
this
mental
health
isn't
is
an
issue
that's
going
on
right
now,
Nationwide,
but
it's
something
that
I
wanted
to
speak
to
is
you
know,
because
I
I
almost
left,
my
wife
and
I
almost
left
my
wife
in
my
six
six
month
old
son
at
the
time,
and
that
was
really
hard
to
look
back
on
that
and,
as
Captain
Wagner
said
it's
hard
to
talk
about
that
at
times,
I
still
feel
like
a
coward,
but
this
is
something
that
I
feel
like
I
made
it
through
to
help
other
people
to
not
go
through.
C
That
I
think
we
need
to
appreciate
anything.
We
need
to
really
preach,
downtime
and
family
time
and
and
making
sure
people
get
to
help.
So
that
way
we
have
healthy
families
that
are
going
to
grow
a
healthy
community.
B
Renee
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
everyone.
That's
commented
on
the
chat.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
you.
Thank
you
Mary
Louise.
Thank
you
David
and
Michael.
You
know
I
love,
you
guys
and
we'll
continue
to
be
an
advocate
for
you
guys
and
appreciate
you,
foreign.
E
Thank
you
guys
hope
you
have
a
good
evening.
If
there's
no
other
questions,
we
will
continue
on
our
agenda
if
everyone's
okay
moving
on
to
something
else
after
you
know
kind
of
a
heavy
heavy
topic
so
blessings
to
all
of
you.
J
N
E
Like
does
anyone
need
a
bio,
Break
or
anything
to,
or
do
you
want
to
move
on
feeling?
Okay,
I'm,
actually
recovering
from
covid,
so
I
probably
will
not
be
staying
on
much
longer,
but
I.
We
would
want
to
continue
on
on
a
couple
of
our
other.
We
go
to
our
agenda
just
so.
We
can
cover
some
things
tonight.
G
This
has
hit
you
hard
and
all
at
once
and
I
think
thinking
about
how,
when
we
leave
this
call,
do
we
have
someone
to
talk
to?
How
are
we
going
to
decompress
because
it
is
a
especially
vulnerable
time
and
maybe
we
can
turn
off
the
recording
kind
of
decompress
with
each
other
a
little
bit
but
I
think
just
being
conscientious?
How
we
end
this
and
knowing
that
we're
all
likely
impacted?
We
don't
know
how
each
of
us
the
depth
of
that
impact.
E
Thanks
for
your
expertise,
Annie,
since
you
do
this
work
regularly,
so
we
can.
We
can
definitely
do
that.
After
do
people
want
to
continue
on
our
agenda
and
then
we'll
stop
the
recording
and
then
people
can
decide
if
they
want
to
go
into
the
breakouts
and
yeah
so
I
think
just
did
you
want
to
say
something
your
your
box
lit
up.
E
D
Yes,
I
do
and
we
have
the
updates
from
the
co-chairs
staff
facilitator
and
the
task
force
and
working
groups.
E
Thank
you,
I
think
the
one
thing
just
as
you
all
probably
like
didn't
want
to
deal
with
it
was
so
hard
me
and
Millennia,
and
Chris
and
Julie
just
like
getting
the
stuff
done
during
the
holidays,
but
we're
gonna
have
our
fourth
quarter.
Our
fourth
quarter
update
for
the
council
tomorrow
night
and
the.
If
you
looked
at
the
documents,
I
don't
know
if
everyone
was
able
to
look
at
them,
I
think
what
it
it
does.
E
It's
very
brief
the
presentation
and
that's
good,
because
we
have
another
packed
agenda
for
tomorrow
night,
but
I
think
essentially,
is
just
you
know
covering
some
of
the
things,
the
the
less
the
learning
sessions
and
also
some
of
the
things
moving
forward
with
the
community,
engagement
and
Outreach
and
what's
happening.
So
we
can
update
folks
on
that.
E
So
I
guess
the
we.
What
the
other
document
that
complements
is
the
actual
report.
So
if
people
want
to
dive
into
the
details
of
findings
from
that,
that's
fine,
it
was
pretty
detailed.
I,
don't
know
if
you
all
looked
at
that,
but
had
a
lot
of
points
that
were
taken
from
our
presentations
and
learning
sessions.
So
is
there
anything
else
that
Bell
or
Julie
you
wanted
to
share
or
Chris
about
the
presentation
tomorrow?
E
I
guess
the
other
question
is
wanting
to
know.
If
any
of
you
are
planning
on
being
there,
either
in
person
or
on
Zoom
I'll
be
on
Zoom,
but
just
so,
we
can
look
out
for
you
and
recognize
you
if
you're
coming.
E
Hoping
but
we
do
have
other
presentations,
not
just
ours,
I
think
we're
a
third
on
the.
J
E
So,
allegedly,
allegedly
third
presentation,
I
should
say
so.
Let's
hope
that
things
go
well.
We
have
a
lot
in
the
evening
session,
so
it
would
be
hoove
us
to
be
brief
at
the
afternoon
session
for
the
council,
because
we
have
a
lot
to
cover
in
the
in
the
evening.
E
Was
there
anything
else
about?
Did
anyone
have
any
questions
about
the
presentation
or
the
documents.
H
E
But
yeah
you,
we
can
send
you
the
zoom
link
for
the
meeting,
if
you
all,
but
if
but
let
us
know
because
I
think
you
said,
Mary
Louise
and
Bruce
are
going
to
be
on
Zoom.
Did
you
all
say
that
so.
H
E
E
Tomorrow
night
the
meeting
starts
at
five,
but
we
have
other
items.
The
presentations
are
at
the
beginning,
so.
B
K
Sure
I
can
give
I
can
give
a
brief
update.
K
K
The
focus
groups
are
going
to
be
based
on
the
information
gathered
from
the
preliminary
survey
and
Dr
Sanchez
requests
and
Maricela
I.
Remember.
You
had
mentioned
this
at
one
point,
but
getting
the
priority
group
list
together
for
the
focus
groups.
K
K
You
know
kind
of
talked
with
him
about,
because
right
now
the
focus
groups
I
think
there's
only
supposed
to
be
six
focus
groups
and
then
20
individual
interviews,
and
we
were
thinking
it
would
be
much
more
powerful
to
expand
the
amount
of
focus
groups
done
versus
you
know
having
the
20
individual
interviews
and
so
he's
more
than
open
to
you
know
if
we
do
have
a
large
priority
group
list,
you
know
he's
more
than
willing
to.
K
You
know
be
flexible
on
that,
instead
of
just
doing
six
focus
groups,
the
other
request
that
he
made
was
I'll
work
with
him
to
connect
him
to
different
groups
in
the
area
based
on
the
priorities
for
the
focus
group
sessions
and.
K
Yeah
those
in-person
focus
groups
and
virtual
focus
groups
should
start
early
February
through
March
and
yeah
did
I,
miss
anything
counselor
and
he's
anticipating
getting
the
final
report.
To
Us
by
May.
L
I
was
gonna,
do
this
in
our
in
our
working
group,
but
this
is
a
good
time,
so
we
do
not
have
a
cap
of
300,
that's
just
the
minimum
as
per
the
contract
with
the
city.
L
So
we
have
an
open
link
right
now
and
we
can
discuss
this
in
our
working
group,
but
or
you
can
just
email
me
if
you
want
and
and
working
group
members,
if
you
want
the
open
link,
what
our
working
group
wants
is
hard
to
reach
folks
through
organizations
that
we
know
for
vulnerable
communities
who
might
not
have
been
randomly
one
of
the
300
people
called
for
the
survey.
So,
even
though
he's
got
close
to
300,
that's
the
minimum
I,
you
know
it's
almost
can
do
20.
L
You
know
I
talk
to
chain
breaker,
they
can
do
some.
It
would
be
great
if
hey
it's
Mary
Louie.
This
is
for
surveys,
not
focus
groups.
If
Mary
Louise,
you
could
get
10
to
15
young
people
to
participate
and,
and
whoever
else
so
we
have
a
running
list
in
our
Google
doc
for
organizations
that
can
do
the
open
link
to
to
the
survey
so
that
the
survey
also
reflects
hard
to
reach
folks.
L
So
that's
one,
and
we
need
to
do
that
within
the
next
couple
of
weeks
or
at
least
before
mid-February,
when
they
start
doing
the
focus
groups.
L
So
that's
one
and
two
we're
the
reason
why
Julie
and
councilor
Rivera
we
had
interviews
and
why
we
think
interviews
are
still
important
is
because
there
will
be
people
that
we
want
to
participate
in
this
process
who
will
not
participate
in
a
focus
group
and
feel
like
they
can
do
it
and
so
we're
following
a
model
that
was
established
by
the
MDS
task
force
on
the
municipal
drug
strategy,
task
force
of
coupling
focus
groups
with
individual
interviews
with
people
who
may
be
currently
incarcerated,
formally
incarcerated.
L
People
who
you
know
who
just
still
don't
feel
comfortable
within
a
focus
group
set
in
sharing.
So
we
do
want
to
keep
those
the
interviews
in,
in
addition
to
the
focus
groups,
he
can
keep
until
you
know,
like
maybe
the
third
week
of
January
the
live
link
open.
So
we
just
need
to
identify
which
organizations
for
the
the
survey
and
and
then
we'll
also
in
our
working
group,
establish
the
list
of
folks
that
we
also
want
to
reach
out
to
to
participate
in
the
focus
groups
for
mid-February
am
I
missing.
B
L
B
Did
recommend
that
I
guess
in
his
experience
that
you
know
you
can
do
20
individual.
B
J
K
L
L
So
I
do
want
to
mention-
and
this
was
in
response
counciloria
to
tomorrow.
So
the
the
survey
is
not
It's
Not
Our
intention
from
the
working
group
anyway
to
do
an
open
link
to
the
world,
and
so
that
should
not
be
a
part.
I
mean
that's
not
what
Our
intention
is.
We
have
a
good
number
of
surveys
now
that
we're
randomly
taken
from
New
Mexico
residents
and
now
for
the
rest
of
the
surveys.
We're
really
focusing
on
really
hard
to
reach
people
in
certain
categories
of
vulnerable
communities
in
our
city.
So.
L
We
do
so
much
with
Gabe
at
the
state
level,
but
and
so
I
just
wanna,
because
people
from
the
council
ask
questions
about
that
last
time
and
we
don't
want
them
to
think
that
this
is
a
big
open
survey
for
everyone.
L
L
P
I,
just
I
have
actually
a
question
about
the
timeline
I
think
Julie.
You
mentioned
that
Dr
Sanchez's
report
will
be
in
May.
Is
that
right
and
just
worried
a
little
bit
that
if
our
recommendations
are
due?
Excuse
me
shortly
thereafter
that
doesn't
give
us
enough
time,
in
my
opinion,
to
like
really
digest
what
we're
hearing
from
Community
to
be
able
to
work
on
our
recommendations.
So
I'm
just
curious
how
we
see
that
timeline
working
and
whether
we
can
I
mean
a
final
grade.
P
The
final
report,
but
is
there
a
way
to
see
some
of
the
findings
earlier
than
that,
so
that
we
can
start
merging
that?
With
you
know,
some
of
the
learning
that
we've
been
doing
over
the
last
couple
years.
K
Yeah
I
think
the
draft
report
is
actually
going
to
be
due
in
April,
but
the
final
like
full,
you
know
bells
and
whistles
and
everything
would
be
completed
in
May,
so
yeah
there
is
going
to
be
an
opportunity
for
everybody
to
see
the
report
a
lot
earlier
and
then
we
should
be
getting
the
preliminary
results
from
that.
First
round
of
survey
surveying
in
February.
L
Gabe
is
also
Emily
willing
to
come
to
this
task
force
meeting
and
do
a
the
first
report,
which
and
explain
to
us
what
the
survey
found
right,
and
so
he
could
probably
even
do
that
in
late
January.
He
could
probably
do
it.
Our
next
meeting,
based
on
he's
so
flexible
about
it.
But
for
me
the
most
important
thing
would
be
to
make
sure
that
we
get
our
open
link
to
the
organizations
that
we
want.
L
With
with
Community
engagement.
E
I
think
tomorrow
night
there
will
be
probably
questions
like
how
are
those
people
picked
that
were
interviewed
by
the
phone,
and
that
was
randomly
selected
Santa
fans
that
and
then
the
open
survey
is
not
open
to
anyone
that
wants
to
do
it,
but
it
was
more
intentionally
targeted
to
stakeholder
groups.
I
guess
is
that
the
best
way
to
describe
it.
L
Yeah
I
would
I
would
also
just
say:
you
know
that
we
had
a
contract
with
him
to
do.
300,
surveys
that
were
random
of
residents
and
we're
almost
complete.
Those
are
almost
complete,
I
mean
I.
Think
that's
that's
where
we're
really
giving
getting
the
broad
sense
from
the
community
and
then
we're
gonna
go
deeper
into
the
more
vulnerable
groups
who
may
not
otherwise
participate
in
a
random
phone.
L
There
yeah
it's
based
on
the
working
groups
and
I
think
that
we
identified
stakeholders
it
might
actually
be
in
the
contract.
I
would
have
to
look
at
the
language.
I
was
just
looking
at
it
the
other
day
for
vulnerable
groups.
That
generally
don't
have
a
yeah
just
vulnerable
hard
to
reach
minority
populations.
That's
pretty
much
it
youth
formally
incarcerated
incarcerated
folks,
who
you
know,
that's
really
where
we're
going
with
the
stakeholder
groups.
L
B
Dr
Sanchez
did
talk
about
focus
groups
being
around
seven
people.
He
said
once
you
get
above.
That
becomes
a
little
bit
more
difficult.
So
just
keep
that
in
mind
as
well.
E
Thanks
Chris
Denmark
to
add
Marcella.
L
L
I
am
concerned
that
there
isn't
going
to
be
enough
time
for
him
to
complete
the
third
piece
of
this,
which
were
the
video
journals
that
he
was
going
to
do
with
young
people
and
it's
in
part
because
of
a
prolonged
IRB
process.
I
think
he
can
move
forward
with
it,
but
probably
not
by
April
1st,
so
I
think
he's
looking
for
other
youth
convenings
to
try
to
capture
that
voice.
L
So
if
anybody
I
also
think
that
Mary
Louise
you're
like
key
and
crucial
to
this
and
other
youth
organizations
that
might
be
interested
in
helping
provide,
if
not
additional
sets
of
focus
groups
with
young
people,
some
way
of
connecting
with
this
community
engagement
process,
I'm
nervous
we're
not
going
to
get
youth
voice
in
this.
K
So
Marcella,
my
colleague
here,
is
taking
over
doing
a
youth
Summit
for
the
city
in
partnership
with
United
Way,
and
that's
going
to
be
happening
here
in
early
spring
early
spring.
You
know
February
March
two
months
and
so
we're
going
to
coordinate
with
that
group
to
see
if
he
can
pull
some
of
the
students
to
do
the
photo
journaling
piece.
So
we're
working
on
that
in
coordination
with
him.
I
Can
I
just
say
something
about
that?
I
I
really
believe
that
it's
really
important
not
just
to
pull
in
students,
but
students
that
have
experienced
the
Juvenile
Justice
System,
Teen,
Court
programs,
because
often
times
in
these
youth
Summits,
the
people
that
are
invited
are
kids
that
are
doing
really
well.
K
That's
actually
sorry
Marie
Louise.
That
is
not
the
case.
Questions
you
know.
I'm,
sorry
I
just
have
to
put
a
plug
in
there,
because
I
did
the
20,
15
and
2017
one,
and
we
were
incredibly
intentional
about
inviting
youth
who
are
in
alternative
programs,
youth
who
are
not
currently
in
school
youth
who
are
in
GED
programs,
and
they
were
very
well
represented
and
also
bringing
in
youth.
Who
are
you
know
from
the
school
for
the
deaf?
I
Was
I
I
appreciate
that
but
I
I
think,
Marcella
and
and
I
have
experienced
working
with
some
of
the
kids
that
usually
don't
have
a
voice.
So
I
love
that
you
said
that
and
I
and
I'm
sorry
if
it
felt
judgy,
because
that's
not
where
I'm
coming
from
and
I
I
would
love
to
to
help.
I
If
you
need
I,
I
know
that
youth
work
sends
a
bunch
of
kids,
which
is
great,
but
there's
other
I
think
that
Teen
Court
would
be
a
good
tap
in
as
well
as
you
know
that
you
work
with
Andrea.
So
that
would
be
a
also.
A
good
source
of
two
things
can
happen,
is
the
kids
that
are
in
the
system
can
get,
can
get
community
service
and,
at
the
same
time
be
an
advocate
for
what
we're
trying
to
get.
E
Good
suggestions,
as
long
as
they're
like
safe
spaces,
to
be
able
to
talk
with
youth
and
and
have
them
feel
comfortable
to
talk
about
their
experiences,
I
think
I'm
sure
you
talked
about
that
with
Gabe
Julie,
just
just
like
at
the
summit,
how
that
would
work,
so
that
sounds
good
I
I,
like
the
alternative
to
that
Marcella
what
you
talked
about.
So
if
you
all
can
work
at
that
with
your
working
group
to
with
Dr
Sanchez.
E
Emily,
oh
wait:
I
thought
Emily!
Sorry!
E
E
All
right
anything
else
from
staff
from
Julie
from
Valeria.
D
Just
yeah
just
one
little
thing
tomorrow
when
I
share
the
the
meeting
minutes,
I'm,
also
going
to
share
your
work
plan
for
2023,
where
I've
started
to
capture
potential
recommendations
and
follow-up
action
items
from
this
last
year.
So
you'll
see
some
of
that
plugged
in
and
of
course,
you
can
also
start
to
include
proposed
recommendations
from
your
own.
You
know
your
working
groups,
the
meeting
calendar
is
also
up
for
2023,
which
will
also
help
us
coordinate
our
learning
sessions
and
and
presentations.
D
So,
yes,
we'll
be
sharing
all
of
that
with
all
of
you,
manana
Monica.
E
Yeah
Monica,
do
you
have
a
question
comment.
Q
Yeah
I
just
had
a
couple
things
I
wanted
to
share
just
at
the
end
and
and
one
I,
just
wanna
reiterate
the
importance
of
having
the
individual
interviews.
I
spoke
to
our
Advisory
Board,
who
are
all
people
that
work
in
the
system,
but
we're
also
involved
in
the
criminal
legal
system
when
they
were
younger,
and
they
all
said
specifically
because
it
would
be
a
focus
group
of
just
of
people
that
live
and
work
here
that
a
Focus
Group
of
Seven
there
could
be
people
there
that
you
grew
up
with.
Q
You
may
not
feel
comfortable
sharing
some
of
your
experiences
in
front
of
them.
Now.
If
this
was
a
Statewide
survey,
it
would
be
much
different,
but
because
we're
a
small
community
there,
you
know
you
never
know
who's
going
to
be
there.
I
mean
my
family
teases
me
right.
I
could
walk
down
the
street
going
to
a
meeting,
and
I
could
run
into
four
people
separately,
that
I
know,
and
for
those
of
us
that
are
born
and
raised,
that's
something
that
can
come
up.
Q
That's
the
first
thing
and
the
second
thing
I
really
appreciate
the
conversation
around
youth,
because
my
experience
is
much
like
Mary
Louise's
in
the
sense
that
oftentimes
I
know
that
I
was
act,
asked
to
participate
in
Teen,
Court
and
other
things.
Whenever
I
asked
to
Mentor
children
that
you
know
that
are
from
the
community,
they
always
wanted
to
put
me
with
kids
that
were
already
doing
really.
Q
Well,
you
know
they
were
it
wasn't
with
the
children
that
were
actually
struggling,
so
you
know,
but
I
love
that
there's
other
people
like
what
you
share,
Julie,
that
you
know
being
intentional,
inviting
the
kids
that
actually
are
struggling
so
I
just
want
to
honor
what
you
both
brought
to
the
table
and
say
that
I
I
I've
had
the
same
experience
and
I
hope
that
we
can
be
extremely
intentional
when
we
start
to
identify
youth
that
have
been
involved
in
this
system,
because
that's
really
hard-
and
it's
really
scary,
especially
because
there
might
be
other
stuff
going
on
with
that
with
parents
and
CYFD
involvement
and
other
things
right.
Q
It's
actually
even
more
sensitive.
That
particular
group
for
all
of
the
legal
implications
of
them
participating
in
in
a
group.
So
I
just
wanted
to
share
that.
E
Good
points,
thank
you
anything
else.
People
want
to
share
updates.
E
It
seems
like
we're
getting
at
time.
So
I
don't
know
if
people
are
wanting
to
get
into
working
groups,
I
think
we
covered
a
lot
just
now
and
I
think
with
our
working
group,
we'll
just
have
to
figure
out
kind
of
synthesize,
some
of
the
things
that
we've
been
talking
about,
I
think
there's
and
that's
what
valetti
was
talking
about.
We've
been
when
we
work
on
the
document.
E
We
give
just
the
summary,
but
there's
some
things
that
we've
talked
about
as
potential
like
recommendations
that
she's
moving
to
another
document
that
she's
just
as
a
placeholder,
so
I
think
we'll
just
have
to
figure
that
out
with
our
working
group
the
next
time
if
we
want
to
meet
and
just
figure
out
how,
if
there's
any
further
questions
we
have
for
staff
or
if
we're
ready
to
come
up
with
some
of
the
things
that
we've
been
working
on,
based
on
our
research
and
listening
and
learning
sessions.
So
anything
else.
B
I
just
wanted
to
ask
Julie
to
share
with
Dr
Sanchez
the
importance
of
individual
interviews
as
discussed
here
in
the
task
force,
so
I
know
we
had
had
a
little
bit
different
conversation.
So
if
you
can,
let
them
know
the
importance
of
of
that
and
what
the
committee
thought
I
think
that's
important.