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B
I,
just
love
that
notification
all
right,
so
I
guess
I'll
go
ahead
and
start
for
us
Chris
if
you're,
okay,
with
that
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
call
the
community
health
and
safety
task
force.
Regular
meeting
for
January
24th
2023,
starting
at
5,
36
and
we'll
start
with
the
roll
call.
Please
the
Lydia.
A
Here
Emily
kaltenbach
present
Gino's
Tamora.
A
B
And
so
just
want
to
note
for
the
record
Annie
restquin
is
excused,
Monica
alt
is
excused
and
Marcella
Diaz
is,
will
be
a
little
late
today,
great
we'll
be
moving
on
to
approval
of
minutes
from
our
January
10th
2023
meeting.
Did
anyone
have
any
changes.
B
No
all
right
hold
on
a
minute.
Let's
see,
okay
is
there,
can
I
get
a
second
or
a
motion
in
a
second
then.
D
A
Absolutely
yes,
Chris
Rivera,
yes,
Bruce
finger.
E
F
A
C
B
Excellent.
Thank
you
all
right.
Moving
on
to,
we
probably
don't
have
much
so
I
won't
change
the
order
of
the
agenda
but
Communications
from
the
co-chairs
and
then
we'll
jump
into
Communications
from
staff.
If
there's
anything
we
need
to
be
aware
of,
and
then
we'll
go
to,
presentations
for
and
introduce
our
guests
or
have
our
guests
introduce
themselves.
E
I,
don't
think
so
I
think
we
got
a
email
from
Gabe
this
morning.
That
said
that
they
had
completed
the
300.
So.
E
Third
Base,
sorry
300
a
survey,
so
he
sent
some
preliminary
info
on
that
which
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
look
at
yet.
B
Foreign
okay
I
haven't
either
because
I
wasn't
I
was
at
my
other
job
today.
So
that's
good
news
300
folks
reached
which
was
the
goal
for
the
survey
for
the
community
first
phase
of
our
community
outreach.
Did
anyone
else
have
anything
to
share
about
that.
D
Chairwoman,
I
have
a
question
just
as
far
as
the
other
200,
and
maybe
when
Marcella
gets
here.
We
can
ask
as
far
as
sort
of
the
status
of
that
and
are
we
still
recommending
groups
to
connect
with
to
get
those
additional
surveys
completed.
D
Yeah
I
just
can't
recall
where
that
is,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
recommendation
that
we
add
and
maybe
seeing
that
we
have
a
few
of
our
guests
here-
might
be
able
to
help,
but
whether
the
mijo
or
aru
could
reach
out
to
folks
they
work
with
to
get
surveys
completed.
D
B
Yeah
we
can.
We
can
inquire
about
that.
How
that
would
work?
Maybe
we
can
explain
that
further,
but
I'm,
not
in
that
committee,
so
I
don't
know.
If
Chris
wants
to
explain
that
or
we
we
wait
till
after
the
presentation
when
we
go
into
Matters
from
the
task
force.
D
I'd
recommend
we
wait
because
then
Marcela
will
be
here
and
we
can
between
Chris
and
myself
and
myself,
and
we
can
talk
about
those
okay
and
Mary
Louise.
Okay,.
E
B
B
It
was
by
phone,
but
there's
another
phase,
that
of
like
small
groups
and
focus
groups
and
I
I
would
rather
have
Marcella,
say
a
little
bit
more
about
that.
So
we'll
move
on
to
staff
Communications
from
staff
for
facilitator,
Valeria.
B
We
have
a
presentation
on
community-based
Behavioral,
Health
Management
in
Santa
Fe,
and
we
have
a
couple
guests
with
us
that
are
presenting
and
then
there's
other
support
staff
that
I
don't
know
if
they're
going
to
be
sharing
any
additional
info,
but
we
have
Nicole
alt
who's,
our
contracted
Behavioral
Health,
director
for
the
fire
department
and
Kate
field
who's.
The
crisis
Services
director
at
the
Santa
Fe
crisis,
triage,
Center
and
I.
B
Don't
know
if
you
all
want
to
do
in
terms
about
you
know
your
work
or
go
directly
into
the
presentation,
and
we
have
to
make
sure
that
you
all
have
access
to
that.
Who
do
you
have
it
to
share
Nicole
or
I.
H
It
yes,
I,
have
it
up
and
ready
good
evening,
hello,
everybody.
B
G
B
And
if
you
all
want
to
introduce
other
folks
that
are
here,
listening,
I,
don't
know
if
they
are
gonna
contribute
tonight.
Are
they
just
here
to
listen
in
so
whatever
you
all
want
to
do?
Yeah.
G
I
think
Andres
Mercado,
Chief
Mercado
was
here
to
sort
of
listen
in
and
and
be
a
part
of
this
and
then
Faith
Applewhite
Captain
Applewhite
is
also
on
to
listen
so
I.
Don't
they
don't
have
anything
to
present
but
they're
here.
Should
we
need
them
excellent.
Thank
you.
G
Okay,
shall
we
start
all
right?
Okay,
so
it's
sort
of
a
long
title.
The
community
based
Behavioral
Health
Management
in
Santa
Fe,
it's
a
lot
to
say,
but
we'll
dive
into
that
shortly,
so
I'm
Nicole,
alt
I'm,
an
LCSW
I'm,
the
behavioral
health
director
for
the
fire
department,
I've
been
with
them
for
five
years
now.
G
G
H
Previous
to
this
position,
I
was
at
Presbyterian
Medical
Services
at
The,
Guidance,
Center
and
supervised
the
mobile
crisis
team
there,
as
well
as
the
bridge
program
and
the
assertive
Community
treatment
or
act
program,
and
just
prior
to
my
behavioral
health
career
I,
was
a
former
firefighter
EMT
with
Santa
Fe
County
Fire,
which
continues
to
inform
my
work
every
day.
H
So
we
wanted
to
start
off
with
just
offering
a
little
perspective
or
framework
around
our
services.
Unlike
your
traditional
Mental,
Health
Services
or
Counseling
Services
community-based
Behavioral,
Health
intervention
looks
pretty
different.
I
know
that
most
of
us
here
are
familiar
with
the
social
determinants
of
health
and
perhaps
Maslow's
hierarchy
of
needs
when
our
services
go
and
intervene
with
clients
and
respond
to
clients
in
the
field.
We
are
meeting
people
at
the
very
bottom
of
that
pyramid
with
the
physiological
needs
they're
concerned
about
food
and
shelter
and
safety.
H
Before
we
can
even
talk
about
what
their
behavioral
health
needs
might
be,
the
middle
paragraph.
There
is
really
it
captures
what's
special
about
community-based
Outreach
programs
like
ours,
so
we
can
go
out
and
meet
clients
where
they
are
with
what
they're
ready
to
do.
What
they're
ready
to
talk
about?
H
We
can
help
them
put
words
to
what
they
might
need
and
what
they're
ready
to
talk
about
and
going
to
them
in
their
environment
repeatedly
over
and
over
again,
it
isn't
just
one
creates
a
relationship
that
we
can
then
build
from
to
form
continuity
of
care.
H
G
So
a
little
bit
I
stole
most
of
this
right
off
the
city
website,
so
it
might
look
familiar,
but
a
little
bit
of
information
about
mih
and
aru,
and
some
really
awesome
pictures
of
of
these
wonderful
people
that
I
work
with.
So
it's
a
collaborative
effort
between
police
and
fire
and
Community
Services
Department.
G
G
So
we
do
that
also,
but
the
aru
takes
looks
at
the
at
the
911
calls
coming
in
and
decides
which
ones
are
a
good
fit
for
them.
There's
a
lot
of
disorderly
calls.
A
lot
of
welfare
check
calls
some
psych
calls
those
types
of
things
they
can
also
be
dispatched
out
by
another
unit
asked
to
respond,
and
people
now
in
the
community
I
find
are,
are
calling
9-1-1
and
asking
for
the
aru
to
respond
to
certain
scenes.
G
So
we
have
a
paramedic
and
a
case
manager.
Everyone
here
in
my
office
is
trained
in
Crisis,
Intervention,
extensive
training
on
what
social
services
are
available
and
then
we've
got
backup
from
the
police
department
if
needed.
So
this
that's
our
officer,
Stephen
Lopez,
he
writes
in
his
own
vehicle,
but
he
is
available
to
aru
every
time
that
it
is
running.
H
And
probably
know
a
little
bit
about
this
as
well,
but
I'll
just
capture
the
services
at
the
center,
the
center,
the
center
and
the
team
are
funded
by
Santa
Fe
county
with
some
very
minimal
Medicaid
funding,
which
is
just
starting
to
roll
in,
but
it's
quite
a
gift
to
our
community.
The
center
itself
is
Monday
through
Saturday
8
A.M
to
10
p.m.
As
far
as
operational
hours,
it
started
eight
to
five
Monday
through
Friday
and
so
we're
slowly.
Building
up
and
expanding
and
we'd
love
to
see
those
hours
continue
to
expand.
H
What
with
Staffing
and
exposure
I
think
we're
headed
in
that
direction.
What
it
provides
is
immediate
intervention,
low
barrier.
So
as
long
as
someone
is
voluntary
and
medically
stable,
they
are
welcome
to
come
in
and
work
with
us.
We
can
provide
a
little
medical
triage.
They
can
work
with
a
peer
support
worker
which
can
be
very
powerful.
They
can
see
a
clinician
of
course
start
working
with
a
case
manager
to
develop
a
plan
and
also
get
a
little
bit
of
respite
care,
which
can
mean
a
nap
or
a
shower
or
laundry
or
a
meal.
H
H
This
can
make
a
huge
difference
in
linking
individuals
who
are
experiencing
a
crisis
in
the
moment,
at
a
scene
or
in
their
home,
where
they've
lost
a
loved
one.
We
can
go
out
to
them
and
be
with
them
in
that
moment
and
then,
after
the
crisis,
support
them
to
get
to
some
long-term
service
or
identify
what
else
they
might
need,
and
certainly
we
prioritize
trying
to
support
law
enforcement
and
First
Responders
EMTs
that
are
often
left
to
navigate.
G
There
we
go
great
I,
just
want
to
add
quickly
that
Kate
and
her
team
also
provide
a
really
nice
selection
of
groups
that
our
clients,
that
we
work,
that
we
co-work
or
clients
that
we
have
and
mih
can
access.
So
that
has
been
that's
a
really
powerful
thing
too,
to
have
groups
that
are
sort
of
in
response
of
what
people
are
saying
that
they
really
need,
so
just
mentioning
that
so
the
partnership.
G
G
It's
not
just
us,
but
it
does
mean
that
if
we
have
this
type
of
response,
this
Progressive
community-based
program,
we
are
heavily
utilized
and
we
can
be
very
effective
because
we
can
be
out
in
the
community
and
we
can
respond
to
these
things
that
a
lot
of
the
brick
and
mortar
stuff
can't,
but
we
also
are
filling
in
gaps
and
creating
safety
nets
in
between
different
service
gaps.
G
So
they're
also
just
barely
we're,
barely
scratching
the
surface
of
the
larger
societal
issues,
things
that
you
know
Kate
mentioned
and
the
hierarchical
needs
housing,
safe
spaces.
Things
like
that.
So
we
also
it
gets
sort
of
bottlenecked
by
the
minimal
services
that
we
encounter,
so
we
can
be
out
in
the
community
all
we
want
and
then
it's
difficult
to
find
openings
to
get
people
into
the
services
that
they
need.
G
G
Think
Kate
wrote
this
awesome
little
part
about
how
after
mobile
crisis
response
was
started,
it
became
a
very
apparent
that
there
was
a
huge,
unidentified
population
that
was
going
to
be
accessed
only
through
this
type
of
Outreach
and
that
these
scenarios
and
these
these
people
that
we're
encountering
have
really
complex
issues
and
complex
scenarios
in
their
lives
that
touch
a
lot
of
different
places.
So
it's
you
know,
there's
some
therapeutic
needs.
There's
some
medical
needs.
G
There's
some
social
needs
there's
all
of
those
things
sort
of
coming
together,
so
it
was
identified
that
that
that
response,
the
mobile
crisis
response
really
should
and
naturally
fall
within
Public
Safety
in
order
to
be
safe
for
the
mobile
crisis,
response
to
be
safe
on
scene,
to
sort
of
make
sure
that
we're
all
doing
things
in
a
transparent
way,
and
so
you
know
out
of
that
came
some
of
the
mobile
Integrated
Health
office
services.
G
So
because
we
are
a
Nimble
office,
the
aru
is
a
very
Nimble
machine.
We
can
triage
a
lot
of
scenes
when
we
get
on
scene,
so
we
have
the
capacity
to
get
unseen
respond
to
a
call.
Not
you
know
either
cancel
somebody
else
or
co-respond
with
with
a
police
officer
or
on
the
fire
department,
see
what
needs
to
be
happening,
and
then
we
can
decide
where
that
needs
to
go
next,
so
oftentimes
we
do
call
mobile
crisis,
we're
starting
to
call
them
more
and
more.
G
We
also
regularly
transport
people
from
the
scene
to
the
crisis
center.
That
Kate
operates
and
that's
an
open
door
policy
for
us.
We
have
a
key
card.
It's
going
very
smoothly.
It
feels
like
a
very
embedded
part
of
the
public
safety
system
at
this
point.
So
having
a
licensed
clinician
on
scene
with
mobile
crisis
really
opens
up
a
lot
of
things.
G
There
can
be
lots
of
diagnoses
and
diagnostic
assessments
done
things
like
certificates
for
evaluation,
for
people
who
are
refusing
to
go
in
for
care,
but
really
need
to
for
the
safety
of
themselves
and
the
community
members
around
them,
and
also
navigation
to
like
trauma-informed
services
and
getting
them
to
the
right
hospital
and
then
also
following
up
with
that
to
make
sure
that
the
person
gets
what
they
need.
So
that's
sort
of
how
our
partnership
works
and
why
it
works
so
well
to
have
all
of
us
working
on
this
on
this
issue.
H
H
Since
the
first
days
of
mobile
crisis,
he
has
no
fewer
than
20
arrest
bookings
and
no
fewer
than
probably
40
ER
contacts
this
year
he's
someone
that's
been
homeless,
with
a
severe
mental
illness
since
his
adolescence
and
has
no
family
to
support
him
and
has
been
through
our
system
over
and
over
again
through
competency
hearings
and
found
not
competent,
so
charges
are
dropped
and
he's
back
on
the
street,
because
we
don't
have
the
next
steps
here
in
New
Mexico.
We
don't
have
the
intervention
that
would
involuntarily
put
him
into
appropriate
treatment.
H
H
H
This
individual
last
week
left
the
crisis
triage
Center,
as
he
usually
spends
days
here,
goes
out
into
the
community.
Later
in
the
afternoon,
the
aru
encountered
him.
He
was
walking
down
the
street
in
multiple
layers
of
clothing.
H
He
also
had
a
black
stocking
cap
over
his
head,
covering
his
face
and
a
rope
around
his
neck.
This
is
the
type
of
scene
that
takes
some
careful
assessment
right.
You
need
to
move
slowly
through
it.
Is
it
appropriate
for
a
police
officer
to
respond
to
this?
Is
it
appropriate
for
a
paramedic?
Is
it
appropriate
for
a
clinician,
probably
all
three
right,
so
you
need
to
have
access
to
all
three
so
that
you
can
engage.
H
This
client
assess
whether
he's
safe,
whether
there's
substance
use
involved,
whether
there's
a
medical
issue
involved
if
he
has
any
intention
to
harm
himself
or
others
and
then
be
able
to
navigate
him
to
the
next
best
resource.
So
maybe
that's
an
ed,
maybe
that's
back
to
the
crisis
center,
or
maybe
it's
just
supportive
Social
Services,
like
food
and
shelter.
G
Yeah,
so
to
add
a
little
bit
to
that,
somebody
just
turned
off
all
my
lights.
Thank
you
to
add
a
little
bit
to
that.
G
So
you
know
when
we
spent
have
spent
a
lot
of
time,
Kate
and
I,
and
the
hospital
and
the
jail
and
his
Guardian
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
get
him
what
he
needs
when
we
have
him
and
unfortunately,
what
we've
learned
this
last
time
around
was
that
the
only
place
that
we
were
really
able
to
get
him
the
long-acting
injectable
medication
that
helps
him
was
at
in
the
jail,
because
the
jail
will
always
take
him
and
they
always
have
a
bed
for
him,
and
so
they
did
take
him
and
we
did
communicate
with
the
jail
and
he
did
get
his
injectable,
and
that
was
very
helpful.
G
But
you
know
it
sort
of
shows
that
even
with
all
of
these,
you
know
positive
touch
points
that
he's
got.
You
know
things
that
we've
worked
on
for
years
to
get
him
connected
to,
even
with
those
without
him
having
some
of
his
basic
basic
needs,
met
and
us
being
able
to
find
him
and
make
sure
that
he
is
safe
and
warm.
We
have
to
do
all
this
rigmarole
like
throughout
the
whole
Community,
so
I
think
he's
a
good
sort
of
example
and
he's
not
alone.
G
In
terms
of
being
this
type
of
Community
member,
we
encounter
quite
a
few
of
them
so
yeah
he
has
a
special
place
in
all
of
our
hearts.
I
think.
H
Here's
a
little
bit
more
detail
on
what
the
response
looks
like
the
practicalities
of
it.
So
essentially,
dispatch
will
receive
and
then
send
out
the
appropriate,
responding
Agency
for
a
psychiatric
issue
could
be
disorderly,
conduct
could
be
man
down,
could
be
a
welfare
check.
You
don't
really
know
and
dispatchers,
don't
necessarily
have
the
luxury
to
have
all
the
details
right.
So
you
dispatch
quite
often
law
enforcement
quite
often
EMS.
H
The
alternative,
Response
Unit
has
the
flexibility
to
watch
the
queue
the
calls
coming
up
from
the
cad
and
then
respond
to
the
appropriate
calls
where
they
can
be
most
effective,
and
that
might
be
also
including
mobile
crisis
if
it's
appropriate,
as
I
mentioned
before,
the
mobile
crisis
team
also
responds
with
other
agencies
in
the
county
through
dispatch.
H
The
call
could
look
like
anything.
You
have
to
be
flexible.
You
have
to
have
time
and
access
to
resources
in
order
to
develop
and
provide
a
safe
outcome
for
everybody,
and
you
never
know
what
that
outcome
is
going
to
be
until
you're.
There
you
have
to
assess
for
safety,
you
have
to
assess
for
symptomology
with
the
patient
and
it
could
be.
H
So
there's
a
big
gap
in
there
big
gray
area
that
we
have
to
take
time
to
navigate
and
then,
of
course
the
response
itself
is
just
a
drop
in
the
bucket.
As
far
as
the
work
involved
and
supporting
someone
like
this,
you
respond
and
then
the
work
happens.
After
so
intensive
case
management
is
profound.
H
In
getting
someone
stabilized
and
any
provider,
that's
going
to
develop
a
treatment
plan
is
going
to
have
to
kind
of
throw
out
the
net
and
see
where
this
person's
contacts
have
been.
Are
there
court
records?
Is
there
health
information,
Exchange
data,
Public,
Defender's,
Office,
mih
office?
Of
course,
the
connect
program
the
jail.
You
want
to
look
at
all
these
so
that
you
can
start
connecting
the
dots
and
develop
an
appropriate
plan
and
and
most
importantly,
get
an
idea
of
what
the
barriers
have
been
for
this
person
in
accessing
resources.
G
So
I
have
a
little
Post-It
note
on
my
computer.
That
says
impaired
judgment
due
to
psychosis
and
I.
Look
at
that
a
lot
when
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
you
know
what's
happening
and
how
I
can
try
to
explain
to
an
ER
nurse
or
something
what
is
happening
so
I
just
keep
that
there
as
a
reminder.
G
G
So
that
means
the
alternative
response
that
we
provide
is
immediate
on
scene
intervention,
extensive
support
and
navigation
to
appropriate
stabilizing
Services
through
multi-agency
collaborative
person-centered
advocacy
and
the
case
management,
which
I
think
is
sort
of
the
Crown
Jewel
in
my
office
in
a
lot
of
ways:
counseling,
medical
triage,
Outreach
transportation
and
care
coordination.
G
We
talk
to
people
everyone
from
a
nurse
at
the
hospital
to
a
case
manager
somewhere
else
to
a
Care
Connect
coordinator
from
the
insurance
to
I
mean
it's
a
it's
a
wide
variety
of
people,
so
the
intersection
of
that
multi-agency
response
means
that
there's
a
there's
a
benefit
to
Fire
and
law
enforcement
across
the
community.
They
don't
have
to
respond
as
much.
They
don't
have
to
try
to
figure
out
things
that
they
do
not
have
the
time
the
training
to
do,
and
we
we
can
do
that.
So
it's
a
big
benefit.
G
We
have
quicker
and
more
comprehensive
answers
to
those
in
need.
So
what
we
might
know
just
off
the
top
of
our
head
or
some
of
my
case
managers
are
just
amazing
at
at
having
resource
ideas
and
Connections
in
the
community.
What
we
can
do
very
quickly
typically,
would
take
somebody
who
isn't
involved
in
this
work
a
longer
period
of
time
and
then
the
effective
identification
of
an
efficient
resolution
around
those
gaps
and
services.
G
So
that's
just
another
example
of
that
that
web
that
we
are
building
that
fills
those
spaces
that
that
are
gaps
in
services.
G
So
there
are
a
couple
of
things:
I
thought
this
was
interesting
to
just
help
paint
this
picture
that
since
we
started
doing
the
aru
I,
wasn't
I
wasn't
fully
aware
of
how
that
work
was
going
to
change
my
exposure
and
my
understanding
and
my
ability
to
try
to
intervene
in
the
community
and
what
what
we're
going
to
find
and
we
have
found
so
much
the
more
we
look,
the
more
we
find
so
I
was
surprised
by
the
number
of
elderly
and
isolated
community
members,
especially
after
the
pandemic.
G
Elderly
people
who
have
no
family
were
extremely
lonely
and
isolated
during
the
pandemic
and
are
now
trying
to
sort
of
reconnect,
but
maybe
they've
had
a
significant
decline
in
their
mental
capacity.
So
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
dementia
and
Alzheimer's
and
all
of
that
which
presents
in
all
sorts
of
different
ways.
You
know
those
calls
tend
to
come
in
for
police
because
they
are
welfare,
check,
calls
or
disorderly
calls,
because
the
person
is
in
conflict
with
their
neighbors,
because
they're
confused
and
things
are
happening
there,
so
that
that
was
a
surprising
piece
to
me.
G
So
we've
had
we've
done
some
training
with
a
dementia
expert
and
that
training
was
really
fascinating
for
me.
So
then,
of
course,
the
unhoused
individuals
that
just
can't
access
those
services
like
Kate,
said
they're.
Just
you
know
they
can't
make
it
to
appointments.
They
can't,
you
know,
show
up
and
and
accurately
explain
what
they
need
fill
out:
huge
intake,
packets,
those
kinds
of
things
and
then
individuals,
experience
psychosis
that
don't
meet
that
criteria.
G
So
they
can't
they
won't
go
to
a
mental
hospital
because
the
insurance
won't
pay
for
it
and
they
they
can't
be
accepted
to
one
of
those
they
also.
They
don't
have
the
capacity
to
achieve
that
Outpatient
Care
on
their
own.
So
you
know
we
do
try
to
work
a
lot
with
outpatient,
psychiatrists
and
still
you
know
unless
we
drive
them
there
and
make
sure
that
they're
getting
there,
it's
a
huge
Challenge
and
then
dual
diagnosis
cases.
G
So
this
is
a
really
big
part,
a
big
faction
of
the
of
the
people
that
we're
dealing
with
on
the
street.
So
this
is
somebody
who
presents,
as
maybe
they
they're
schizophrenic,
but
we
also
know
that
they
use
math
or
they
use
any
any
number
of
substances
right
and
what
what
happens
is
that
the
substance
use
trumps,
the
mental
health
issue
and
they
don't
get
the
care
for
that
underlying
issue
that
they're
experiencing
a
lot
of
that
substance.
G
Use
stems
from
trying
to
self-medicate
with
their
their
symptoms
that
they've
had
their
whole
lives
and
side
effects
that
they
have
for
medications,
and
all
of
that,
so
it's
pretty
difficult
to
find
a
place
that
will
really
be
curious
and
assess
a
person
who
we
know
to
be
schizophrenic
and
actively
psychotic.
Who
is
also
on
a
substance.
H
For
some
relief
from
the
dark
picture-
and
it's
really
nice
to
be
able
to
provide
this
list
of
things
that
work
and
things
that
are
going
well,
just
in
my
eight
or
nine
years
in
Behavioral,
Health
I've
watched
these
things
develop
with
our
programs
and
we
are
making
up
for
massive
dysfunctional
Nationwide
system
failures
right
from
the
time
of
Kennedy.
H
What
we
are
doing
really
well
in
Santa
Fe
are
these
following
things:
the
public
safety
agency
coordination,
which
is
beautifully
exemplified
by
sffd
and
sfpd,
working
on
the
aru
together
access
to
the
public
safety
infrastructure,
and
this
essentially
means
that,
in
order
to
safely
and
appropriately
respond
to
an
emergency
call
out
or
Community
call
out,
you
need
to
have
access
to
dispatch.
They
need
to
know
where
you
are.
You
need
to
have
radio
communication.
You
need
to
be
able
to
contact
law
enforcement
if
there's
a
safety
issue
or
EMS.
H
If
there's
a
medical
issue,
nothing
stands
alone,
having
clinicians
out
in
the
field,
24
7
boots
on
the
ground,
getting
those
counselors
and
therapists
out
of
their
office
and
providing
Assessments
in
the
field
in
real
time
is,
is
pretty
remarkable
and
clearly
that's
where
we're
going
as
a
nation
moving
forward.
H
Let's
see
the
partnership
between
all
of
the
agencies
that
allow
for
crisis
resolution
patient
care,
it's
really
the
care
coordination
between
the
agencies
is
pretty
healthy
and
providers
are
very
open
to
receiving,
for
the
most
part
calls
from
us
when
we're
looking
to
connect
or
find
a
history
about
a
client
or
coordinate
the
next
steps
for
them.
So
that's
been
great
having
the
crisis
triage
Center,
certainly
a
game
changer.
H
Having
done
the
work
out
in
the
field
without
the
center
for
many
years,
it
is
a
real
luxury
to
be
able
to
bring
a
client
back
to
a
safe
space
and
provide
them
with
a
little
bit
of
shelter,
continuous
person-centered
problem
solving.
So
that
means
back
to
we
meet
them
where
they
are.
The
client
tells
us
what
they
need,
what
they're
ready
for
we
take
baby
steps
with
them
and
their
treatment
plan
is
just
for
them.
H
It's
individualized,
there's
more
of
the
provider,
interaction
we're
on
the
phone
every
day,
we're
texting
every
day,
we're
debriefing
on
cases
and
it
needs
to
be
constant.
You
need
to
know
where
people
are
I
have
your
client
here
they
were
at
the
jail
two
days
ago
now,
they're
in
the
Ed
inclusion
of
stakeholder
agencies
and
planning
and
development,
and
this
I
have
been
able
to
witness
in
the
Santa
Fe
County
Behavioral,
Health
strategic
plan
and
watching
them
over
the
years
include
all
of
the
participants.
H
So
the
outpatient
clinics,
the
hospitals,
Public
Safety
agencies
all
participating
in
the
plan,
because
it
makes
it
realistic
and
attainable
and
then,
of
course,
supervising
of
the
program
you
have
to
have
that
supported
oversight
so
that
you're,
making
good
decisions
and
you're
building
a
healthy
program.
That's
ethical
and
responsible
and
well
staffed,
and
then
we're
very
fortunate
to
have
the
ongoing
support,
of
course,
from
Santa
Fe
county
and
the
City
of
Santa
Fe.
G
Oh
hopeful
future.
This
is
the
part
where
we
thought
we
might
share
a
couple
of
things
that
we
are
thinking
about
and
also
acknowledge
some
of
the
things
that
areas
that
we
know
we're
working
on
currently
so
collaborative
and
informed
growth
between
city
and
county.
So
that
means
we
don't
want
to
double
up.
We
want
to
be
in
communication
with
each
other.
G
We
want
to
try
to
make
those
decisions
together
so
that
we
can
provide
the
right
level
of
care
and
the
right
staffed
care
building
out
some
of
the
existing
Community
programs,
because
we
can't
build
everything
from
the
ground
up.
There
are
agencies
and
programs
out
there
that
you
know
the
city
funds
A
lot
of
them,
the
county
funds
programs.
Those
are
the
places
where
we
can
really.
You
know
inject
a
little
extra
oomph
and
see
what
comes
from
it.
G
Continued
structural
and
budgetary
support,
so
just
making
sure
that
we're
that
we're
growing
things
in
a
way
that
we
continue
to
hold
the
whole
system
in
a
healthy
space.
You
know
it's
sort
of
like
if
you,
if
you
have
a
triangle,
you
know
you
have
all
the
stuff
at
the
bottom.
G
But
if
you
flip
that
triangle-
and
you
just
try
to
build
from
up
here-
you
know
it's
not
going
to
work
the
same
way
so
having
that
that
structural
foundation
and
recognizing
that,
if
you're
going
to
grow,
you
need
to
grow
from
that
place,
and
so
we
talk
about
that.
A
lot
in
my
office,
Kate
and
I
talk
about
it
a
lot
as
well.
G
So
that's
the
careful
growth
piece
and
then
that
our
system
is
episodic.
Illness
driven,
so
I
I'd
like
to
see
us
and
I
think
we
are
moving
in
that
direction.
G
Moving
away
from
episodic
care
in
general,
for
Behavioral
Health,
for
medical
health,
for
Community
Health
and
towards
the
longer
view
right,
we
want
to
see
a
longitudinal
plan
for
people,
families,
communities,
agencies,
so
I
noticed
one
of
the
things
that
you
all
in
the
task
force
have
said
that
I,
it
stuck
out
to
me
was
the
idea
of
a
community
health
driven
practice
of
Public
Safety.
So
that
means
that
we
are
looking
at
our
community
to
understand
how
healthy
our
individuals
are,
and
vice
versa.
G
G
More
and
more
so
I
would
just
like
to
share
a
couple
of
things
that
Kate
and
I
talk
about
a
lot
and
a
few
things
that
might
be
on
the
horizon
in
our
minds,
so
a
safe,
sobering
facility,
a
medical,
sobering
facility
that
is
truly
accessible
and
can
handle
dual
diagnosis
can
handle
multiple,
like
poly
substance,
use,
complex
poly,
substance
use
and
Trauma
inpatient
stabilization
for
co-occurring
disorders.
So
that
means
we
have
this
amazing
crisis,
triage
Center
that
Kate
runs.
G
That
is
a
huge
help
and
we
all
felt
it
when
it
started
that
this
was
going
to
be
helpful
and
we
need
emergency
stabilization
that
can
hold
people
for
a
long
period
of
time,
and
we
need
to
have
that
in
order
to
keep
that
person
from
cycling
like
the
one
that
we
talked
about
earlier
through
all
this.
The
systems
where
he
can't
go
for
24
hours
without
encountering
at
least
one
of
those
symptoms
systems,
and
then
we
need
a
lot
of
Adolescent
and
youth
behavioral
service
expansion.
G
So
I'm
happy
that
we're
discussing
that
I
know
the
county
is
talking
about
that.
Quite
a
bit.
The
city
has
been
helping
me
connect
with
the
public
schools
and
the
wellness
centers,
and
also
with
the
sky
Center,
so
I
feel
hopeful
about
that.
G
So
and
we
need
to
keep
the
access
to
help
timely
and
those
Outreach.
The
Outreach
takes
people
to
open
doors
and
we
need
safety
and
that
bottom
tier
of
the
Maslow's
needs
safety,
shelter,
housing,
food,
those
things
we
are
addressing
as
a
community.
We
need
to
keep
digging
hard
into
those
and
then
Healthcare,
both
both
medical
and
Behavioral
Health.
G
So
recognizing
that
Behavioral
Health
Care
is
Health
Care
and
that
we
need
to
invest
in
it
and
we
need
to
take
it
seriously
and
we
need
to
to
continue
to
build
out
systems
to
help
treat
it.
H
B
G
Okay,
good
all
right,
we
want
to
be
responsive
and
we
also
felt
we
were
excited
to
have
people
ask
us.
What
do
you
need,
so
we
allowed
ourselves
to
dream
a
bit
and
share
some
of
those
ideas
with
you
all.
B
Excellent
and
I
and
I
will
ask
that
again
in
a
bit
but
I'm
going
to
open
it
up
to
other
task
force
members
to
see
if
you
have
any
questions
or
comments
of
our
guests
and
just
want
to
acknowledge
Andres,
Mercado
and
Faith
Applewhite,
who
are
instrumental
in
this
team
as
well
and
so
and
we've
actually
had
them
present
in
the
past.
So
thanks
for
joining
us
again,
let's
see.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions?
B
If
you
want
to
raise
your
hand
or
just
let
me
know,
I
know
you
have
questions
great
Emily
go
ahead.
D
I
was
trying
not
to
jump
in
too
soon,
but
well,
Nicole
and
Kate.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
that
overview.
I
think
it
was
the
best
presentation.
We've
had
to
really
give
us
a
really
clear
picture
of
what's
actually
happening
and
some
strong
recommendations
moving
forward
and
it
really
Santa
Fe
is
so
lucky
to
have
this
model.
D
I
work
with
a
lot
of
communities
around
the
country,
and
you
know,
there's
everyone's
sort
of
struggling
still
and
I
feel
like
Santa.
Fe
has
always
really
been
a
step
ahead,
and
so
you
know
thinking
about
how
we
can
make
it
even
better.
So
I
have
a
couple:
I
have
a
lot
of
questions,
but
I'll
try
to
be
I'll
narrow
it
down.
D
I'm
curious,
first,
about
sort
of
the
criteria
around
engaging
with
law
enforcement.
Is
that
sort
of
at
the
discretion
of
the
folks
in
the
field.
I
know
there
was
one
slide
that
said:
law
enforcement
comes
to
every
call,
or
they
just
called
by
various
units
to
come
so
I'd
love
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
and
like
has
there
been
sort
of
a
sit
down
conversation
around
like
what
that
criteria
looks
like
that's
my.
G
First
question
sure:
thanks
Emily,
you
can
always
email
me
a
bunch
of
questions
if
you
have
more
but
I
I
haven't
seen
you
in
so
long.
It's
nice
to
see
you
so
that
we
are
in
communication,
pretty
regular
communication
with
PD
and
the
higher
ups
at
PD,
and
they
are
very
aware
of
what
their
requirements
are
on
scene
and
when
they
need
to
respond,
and
we
have
been
very
diligent
about
figuring
out
how
to
triage
that
before
we
even
go
on
scenes.
G
So
there's
a
lot
of
research
that
can
be
done
into
an
address
into
a
individual
person
who's
named
and
we
can
make
phone
calls
to
the
9-1-1
caller.
We
can
do
these
things
to
help
set
up
the
scene
so
that
we
know
a
little
bit
better.
What's
happening
and
I
do
think
you
know
at
the
beginning
of
aru,
we
had
an
officer
on
the
unit
and
she
was
fantastic
and
super
helpful
at
building
out
sort
of
feeling
out
what
we
needed
and
then,
when
we
realized
that
we
didn't,
you
know
we.
G
She
wasn't
like
needing
to
go
to
the
door
with
us
all
the
time
or
you
know
she
she
sat.
She
was
in
the
car
more,
you
know,
sort
of
monitoring
and,
being
you
know,
super
awesome
to
have
her
there,
but
we
realized
that
we
could
have
if
we
had
an
officer
who
was
available
to
strictly
to
the
arus
that
that
was
his
priority
during
the
day
that
that
feels
pretty
good
and
we've
also
built
out.
G
You
know
really
strong
relationships
with
all
of
the
PD
Officers
on
scene,
so
those
scene
relationships
and
everybody
has
each
other's
cell
phone
numbers
and
we're
always
sort
of
calling
and
figuring
out.
What's
going
on,
so
that's
sort
of
the
way
we've
been
addressing
safety.
H
And,
of
course,
a
911
dispatch
protocol
for
any
behavioral
health
call
law
enforcement
is
dispatched
automatically.
So
that's
the
blanket
safety
net.
That's
a
lot
of
calls
for
for
our
department,
yeah.
D
Yeah
and
thanks
for
that,
because
I
think
one
of
the
things
we've
been
sort
of
thinking
about
in
this
work
is
how
do
you
at
that
tree
at
that?
First
call
maybe
not
have
to
have
law
enforcement
come
to
everyone.
You
know
what
does
that
look
like
and
I
think
there.
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
folks
struggling
with
like
what
does
that
criteria
look
like,
and
you
know
so
just
wanted
to
flag
that,
because
I
think
that
is
something
our
group
has
talked
about
of
just
sort
of
that
alternative
response.
D
That
starts
immediately
at
the
call,
and
is
there
a
way
to
do
that
so
yeah
thanks
for
that
info,
two
other
real,
quick
questions,
one
sort
of
the
voluntary
nature
and
if
folks,
don't
want
to
participate
like
how
do
you
deal
with
that?
What
is
the
trigger,
and
you
know,
sort
of
again
meeting
people
where
they're
at
if
they're,
just
like
sorry,
I,
don't
want
to
engage?
How
is
that
dealt
with
and
then
the
the
other
one
is
more
of
a
sort
of
a
policy
administrative
question
of
capturing.
Are
we?
D
How
are
we
evaluating?
Are
we
capturing
saving
like
I'm,
just
curious
of
like
what
does
success?
Look
like
like
what
are
the
outcomes
that
this
collaboration
so
from
the
crisis
center
to
aru
or
mijo
like
what?
What
are
you
actually
measuring
to
show
that
it's
successful?
So
thanks
all
right,
those
and
I'll
email,
my
other
ones,
I.
G
H
So
that's
really
where
that
clinical
piece,
you
kind
of
Hit
the
juncture
there
of
why
it's
important
to
have
a
clinician
involved
in
the
field
response
so
that
you
can
assess
if
they're
involuntary,
are
they
unsafe?
Are
they
going
to
meet
criteria
to
be
seen
in
an
ed
right?
H
That's
really
what
we're
talking
about,
or
is
there
a
suicidal
ideation
or
homicidal
ideation,
because
they
can
be
involuntary,
they
can
refuse
care
and
if
we
are
deeming
them
safe
to
go
out
on
their
own
recognizance
after
an
episode
that
should
be
a
behavioral
health
provider's
call
right.
Ideally
it's
a
lot
to
ask
officers
and
EMTs
to
do
that
over
and
over
again.
So
if
we
determine
that
they
are
unsafe,
we
feel
they're
unsafe.
We
will
write
a
certificate
for
evaluation
for
emergency
evaluation,
and
that
is
simply
a
request.
H
It
is
a
document
that
goes
to
law
enforcement,
asking
them
well,
it's
an
order.
They
have
to
transport
an
individual
to
an
ed,
but
then
it's
the
ask
of
the
Ed
to
provide
a
psychiatric
evaluation,
and
it
doesn't
mean
that
they're
going
to
get
an
evaluation.
It
just
means
they're
going
to
be
transported
there
that
we
are
concerned
about
their
safety.
H
C
G
D
Sure,
maybe
I'll
just
say
what
does
success?
Look
like
to
you
yeah,
like
that,
these
these
programs
are
working.
G
Yes,
so
there
are
a
lot
of
Tears
In,
My
Mind
of
success
and
I
think
we
talk
a
lot
in
my
office
and
a
lot
in
Behavioral
Health
in
general
about
what
success
looks
like,
and
my
version
of
success
has
changed
a
lot
in
this
work.
G
A
big
success
for
me
is
to
build
relationship
and
have
somebody
vulnerable
and
in
need
of
services.
Trust
you
enough
to
help
them
get
to
those
services
that
feels
that
always
feels
like
a
success.
G
Success
feels
like
having
enough
communication
with
all
of
the
partners
around
a
certain
person's
care
that,
when
they,
when
they
hit
a
system,
we've
done
this
work
to
help
figure
out
what
needs
to
happen
next,
so
they're
not
just
floating,
and
we
try
to
get
you
know,
notes
and
charts
and
things,
and
that
dispatch
and
all
of
these
areas
to
do
that.
That
feels
like
a
success
to
me,
I
think
just
having
I
don't
know.
G
Having
that
different
response
out,
there
feels
like
a
success,
seeing
the
EMS
captains
and
case
managers
and
clinicians
from
Kate's
team
and
EMTs
and
nurse
all
those
people
on
scene
providing
care
to.
Somebody
is
a
success
and
it
really
makes
me
feel
proud
and
humbled,
and
all
of
that,
so
those
are
some
of
my
things.
We
do
capture
data,
but.
H
And
so
do
we,
but
it
is
difficult
to
demonstrate
a
negative
number
right
if
you're
trying
to
demonstrate
like
how
fewer
patients
the
ER
is
seeing
in
a
period
of
time.
What
you
can,
of
course
calculate
is
how
many
encounters
we
have
and
so,
for
example,
at
the
crisis
center
when
they
started,
we
were
seeing
like
one
or
two
people
a
day
as
people
were
learning
about
us
how
to
use
us.
Now
we
see
about
250
people
per
month
right,
so
those
are
encounters
that
would
not
have
happened.
H
So
that's
that's
kind
of
a
nice
way
to
capture
our
data
that
the
other
pieces
that
we
have
or
how
quickly
we
respond
to
someone
and
how
many
people
get
assessed
that
otherwise
would
not
have
occurred.
D
Thank
you
so
much
yeah,
I
I
think
I
just
want
to
end
with,
say
I.
You
know
these
programs
are
invaluable
to
our
community,
and
so,
as
we
think
about
recommendations,
how
do
we
bolster
them,
and
you
know
figure
out
ways
that
we
can
really
show
the
outcome?
And
this
and
the
impact
to
individuals
and
Community
that
it's
making
a
difference,
I
mean
I.
D
Think
what
that
case
study
you
showed
is
just
to
me
so
upsetting
to
hear
that
that
individual
had
to
get
his
medication
in
jail
like
that
were
criminalizing
people
to
get
health
care
is
just
it's
so
wrong,
and
you
know
like
what
can
we
do
as
a
community
to
make
sure
that
doesn't
happen
again,
because
that
to
me
is
a
failure
of
so
many
systems
that
we
have
to
rely
on
the
jail
for
that
type
of
service.
So
thanks
so.
G
Much
for
yeah
I
mean
I,
think
it
I
was
really
excited
to
talk
with
you
all,
because
I
remember
when
the
task
force
started,
I
I
felt
you
know,
I
could
feel
that
what
we
were
doing
in
this
office
was
a
part
of
that
was
going
to
contribute
to
this,
and
so
and
I
do
think
you
know
just
you
know
what
Andres
reminded
me
of
about
the
80
of
our
calls:
don't
have
a
police
officer
on
them.
G
I
think
that
is
a
success,
and
that
is
some
data
that
we
can
really
hold
on
to
and
remember.
It's
not
only
I
mean
it's
extremely
helpful
for
the
for
the
police
officers
and
they're,
so
busy
and
taxed,
but
also
I
mean
it's
just
it's
a
whole
different
experience.
So
that's
a
big
deal.
Okay,.
B
Time
you
do,
we
can
Circle
back
around
for
sure
one
two
I
will,
let's
see
Bruce
I,
see
your
handout.
F
F
I
still
have
a
lot
of
what
you
described
in
your
presentation,
the
the
individual
that
is
many
times
they
wanted
to
be
arrested
because
they
would
have
a
place
to
sleep
instead
of
on
the
street.
So
that
is
a
sad
situation.
F
G
That
is
the
ask:
that's
the
ask,
and
the
Hope
is
that
we
could
provide
a
facility
that
could
be
a
stabilization
Point
and
then
you
know
what
we
know
needs
to
come
after.
That
is
Supportive
Housing
for
people
with
mental
illness,
who
maybe
need
to
be
maybe
need
to
stay
in
those
in
that
housing.
You
know
as
ordered
by
a
judge
or
whatever
that
looks
like,
but
somebody
who's
getting
their
medications
and
their
and
their
needs
met
because
we
do
have.
G
You
know
I
recognize
that
this
is
not
every
patient.
Obviously
I.
Take
it
very
seriously,
as
Kate
does
too,
when
we,
when
we
take
somebody
in
against
their
will
or
try
to
do
something
against
their
own
personal
will,
but
we
do
have
people
that
are
really
just
not
able
to
care
for
themselves
in
a
grown-up
world
and
in
a
dangerous
scary
world.
Nonetheless,
so.
F
Yeah
another
question:
well,
I'm
thinking
doesn't
want
the
dispatcher
that
takes
the
call
for
service.
F
B
H
Yeah
is
a
man
down
going
to
need
law
enforcement
to
disorderly
contact
conduct?
Is
that
going
to
need
EMS,
hence
I?
Think
a
fairly
rigid
protocol
in
having
multiple
units
respond
right
and
then
being
able
to
triage
along
the
way,
which
is
what
the
aru
does
so
beautifully,
is
so
smart
to
be
able
to
cancel
law
enforcement,
for
example,
if
they're
heading
to
a
call
Sooner,
but
as
it
stands
now,
any
behavioral
health
call
gets
everybody
until
someone
intervenes
or
further
notice.
F
That
last
question:
how
many
what's
the
Staffing
now
like
I,
remember
when
it
first
started,
you
had
like
one
unit
Monday
through
Friday
to
five
or
something.
If
you
added
more,
we.
G
Have
so
we
now
have
two
air
use.
We
expanded
and
hired
a
second
EMS
captain
and
experienced
paramedic
to
run
so
we've
got.
We
still
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
out
of
business
hour
hours,
we're
working
on
that.
That's
a
complicated
thing,
with
people's
schedules
and
unions
and
all
stuff
that
I
don't
understand,
but
we
do
have
two
units.
They
have
overlap
days.
So
sometimes
we
have
two
units
running
and
when
we
hired
that
EMS
Captain,
we
were
also
able
to
hire
three
more
case
managers.
G
So
we
now
have
two
EMS
captains,
seven
case
managers,
a
one
case
manager
supervisor
an
EMS
or
mih
paramedic,
myself,
Andres
Mercado,
and
then
we
have
some
other
EMS
people
that
are
really
helpful.
Faith
helps
helps
a
lot
with
she
jumps
on
the
unit.
She
also
does
a
lot
of
data
and
stuff
that
really
help
us
build
Out
programs.
B
Oh,
thank
you
Bruce
anyone
else
from
the
team
who
had
any
questions
or
comments.
Mary
Louise.
No,
do
you
know,
but
Lydia
are
you
raising
your
hand?
No.
A
C
Just
one
one
observation
from
from
your
final
slide:
I
really
do
appreciate
looking
forward
to
looking
forward
and
toward
enhancing
Behavioral
Health
Resources
for
adolescents.
It's
it's
that
chicken
or
egg
thing,
if
you're
helping
them
earlier
in
life.
You're,
hopefully
they're
developing
those
tools
for
later
in
life
and
you're,
lessening
the
the
adult
need.
C
So
it
I've
just
been
in
my
head
since
reading
that
about.
Well,
how
can
we
get
to
those
the
the
Adolescent
Behavioral
Health
Services
as
quickly
as
possible,
because,
hopefully
that
takes
some
out
of
the
cycle
as
adults.
G
Yeah
early
intervention
is
huge,
so
there
are
cool
programs
that
are
early
intervention
programs
for
kids
with
some
of
the
psychotic
disorders,
so
the
earlier
you
catch
it,
the
the
more
inclusive
and
wraparound
you
can
be
with
care
and
services.
H
Agree
more
and
I
know
in
a
perfect
world
we
would
have
a
crisis
triage,
Center,
Just,
For,
Youth
Of
course
with
state
regulations.
You
can't
treat
Youth
and
adults
in
the
same
facility,
but
I
think
it
would
be
a
huge
resource
for
families
and
kids
and
adolescents
in
our
community.
C
C
B
Let's
see,
I
see
Sarah's,
but
I'm
gonna
was
there
Chris.
Did
you
unmute
for
a
question.
E
Done
I
was
just
gonna,
ask
and
I.
Don't
know
who's
best
to
answer
this,
but
is
there
still
a
mobile
Integrated
Health
office.
G
Sure
so
the
mobile
Integrated
Health
office
or
mijo
as
people
call
it
is
the
umbrella
over
all
of
it.
It's
the
office
that
contains
the
aru
and
it
contains
the
case
management.
So
the
case
managers
that
go
out
on
the
aru
are
case.
Managers
who
also
have
caseloads
in
our
office
and
do
follow-up
case
management,
intensive
case
management
and
then
so
it's
all
under
one
umbrella,
so
the
mobile
Integrated
Health
office
still
takes
still
adds
people
to
our
list
over.
You
know
people
with
overdoses,
people
with
Behavioral
Health
crises.
G
We
take
referrals
from
from
units
in
the
field
we
take
referrals
from
police
and
we
take.
We
get
reports
from
the
hospital
also
on
the
hospitals,
around
opiate
overdoses.
So
we
still
are
running
our
complete
programming
in
this
office
as
the
mobile
Integrated
Health
office,
and
then
the
aru
was
added
as
an
Outreach
and
response
vehicle.
G
E
B
Chris
I
had
a
similar
question,
but
I
was
wanting
to
understand
the
relationship
with
the
aru
unit
and
the
mobile
crisis
unit
and
from
my
understanding
they
work
hand
in
hand.
Obviously,
the
crisis
mobile
crisis
unit
is
covering
the
whole
County
right,
Santa
Fe
county
and
then
Gru
is
just
the
city
correct.
B
Did
you
have
any
other
questions?
Chris,
no,
okay,
just
a
clarifying
question
with
Emily
I
think
I
I
couldn't
figure
out.
If
this
is
exactly
what
you're
talking
about,
but
I
was
thinking
about
the
involuntary.
B
In
California
and
I,
don't
I
know
you
referenced
that
but
I'm
assuming
is
that
the
same
thing?
That's
what
California
is
doing,
so
you
all
mentioned
about
involuntary
commitment,
but
I
think
it
was
just
on
a
general
sense,
but
there's
an
actual
program
now
involuntary
commitment
in
California
and
if,
if
you
could
I,
don't
know
if
you
know
some
information
about
that
and
how
that
works
and
I'm,
assuming
the
reason
why
it
works
is
because
they
have
a
lot
more
funding
in
California
for
these
things.
But.
H
H
When
someone
is
involuntary
for
treatment
and
transporting
them,
which
generally
is
a
response
to
a
massive
problem
right,
they
have
very
little
resources
available
and
they're.
Faced
with
that
responsibility,
and
so
they've
had
to
develop
these
programs
and
structures
to
do
more,
say:
okay,
I've
decided
as
a
police
officer,
you
were
unsafe,
I'm
going
to
take
you
involuntarily
to
the
Ed,
and
we
have
some
small
scale
of
that
as
well.
H
What's
missing,
of
course,
particularly
in
our
state,
is
where
do
they
go?
We
have
a
very.
We
have
our
state
Institute.
Of
course
it's
very
small.
H
H
That's
better
done
with
building
that
Rapport
and
relationship
with
the
individual
and
helping
them
with
something
that
they
are
voluntary
for
maybe
that's
a
meal,
or
maybe
it's
eyeglasses
and
building
from
there,
which,
which
explains
why
it's
such
a
long
relationship
that
we
can't
just
strike
in
remove
someone
from
the
environment
involuntarily
and
deliver
them
to
treatment.
That's
actually
going
to
be
long-term
stabilizing
for
them.
G
Yeah
I
did
I
I
listened
to
a
really
cool
podcast
about
a
facility
in
California,
and
there
was
a
provider
I
think
she
was
a
psychologist
who
was
explaining
what
her
work
environment
was
like
It,
ultimately
ended
up
talking
about
kids
and
gun,
violence
and
stuff,
but
but
when
she
was
describing
like
being
able
to
bring
somebody
in
and
and
have
them
assessed
and
have
them
held
appropriately
and
and
all
these
things
I
I
just
found
myself
being
like
that
sounds
nice.
G
You
know
it
sounds
nice
to
be
able
to
have
some
more
tools
there,
too
and
and
more
beds
and
more
clinicians
to
to
really
do
that.
Well,
so
that
we're
not
just
catching
and
releasing
people
over
and
over
again.
B
Thank
you
for
that.
I
was
just
curious,
I'm
sure,
there's
pros
and
cons,
but
I
guess
the
care
what
they
call
The
CARE
program
or
care
Court
in
California,
sending
people
to
treatment,
but
they
have
facilities
to
do
so
and
I
feel
like
we
don't
have
that
kind
of
pathway.
So
thank
you
for
that.
I
have
some
other
stuff,
but
let
me
just
go
ahead
and
see
our
guest.
Our
community
guest
Sarah
Grant
has
her
hair,
her
hand
up
sorry
and
her
hair
up.
J
Thank
you
guys
so
much
for
being
here
tonight.
I
I
feel
like
if
you're
really
80
of
your
calls
are
meaning
that
the
police
or
the
emergency
room,
aren't
involved.
That
is
hugely
successful
for
the
police,
the
emergency
rooms
and
for
the
clients
who
don't
have
to
get
kind
of
freaked
out,
because
there's
a
policeman
there,
which
can
be
scary
and
so
I,
really
appreciate
your
work.
G
Wow,
thank
you
so
much
for
that
question.
Sarah.
We
are
definitely
feeling
quite
taxed.
The
the
the
level
of
need
feels
insurmountable
a
lot
of
times.
G
G
But
it
is
a
huge
it's
a
huge
uptick
in
terms
of
what
I'm
used
to
to
dealing
with
and
then,
if
you
I
mean
I,
think
just
driving
around
Santa
Fe.
You
can
see
a
lot
of
that.
G
G
You
know,
and
we
don't
know
him
and
I'm
like
who's
that
person.
It's
it's
really
intense,
so
I
definitely
am
feeling
that
I
think
in
terms
of
taking
care
of
myself
and
hopefully
helping
to
care.
For
my.
My
team
I
think
that
having
the
supervision
and
support
so
that
nobody
feels
like
they're
alone,
making
really
hard
decisions
and
seeing
really
hard
things.
G
We
share
that
weight
and
we
support
each
other
in
doing
that.
We
do
a
lot
of
check-ins
and
a
lot
of
group.
Staffing
we've
been
doing
some
great
trainings
in
our
staff
meetings
around
you
know
different
things,
some
mindfulness
techniques,
some.
What
all
have
we
been
doing?
Lots
lots
of
different
stuff
so
just
ways
that
we
can.
We
can
look
at
things
through
different
lenses
so
that
it
doesn't
become
quite
as
myopic.
G
J
Yeah
go
ahead,
Sarah
well,
just
just
one
more
thing
and
I'm
and
I'm.
Of
course,
I'm
stating
the
obvious,
but
I
really
appreciate
what
Gino
said
also
about
adolescence,
because
that's
a
pretty
that's
an
age
where,
where
people
can
be
super
vulnerable,
I'm,
so
glad
I
don't
have
to
be
an
adolescent
again,
but
at
the
same
time
they
can
turn
on
a
dime
in
some
ways
and
suddenly
be
like
be
doing
a
whole
lot
better
and
so
I
would
just
encourage
the
city.
Of
course.
J
You
all
know
this
to
invest
whatever
needs
to
happen
in
order
to
get
adolescent
care
in
order
thanks
very
much
for
listening,
absolutely
and.
H
I
would
just
add
to
your
initial
question:
Sarah
very
much
overwhelmed
and
taxed,
and
largely
due
to
the
complexity
of
delivering
successful
treatment
and
care
to
these
individuals
with
very
few
resources,
and
I
can
certainly
say
that
my
time
in
the
fire
service
was
a
very
important
learning
experience
for
me,
because
I
quickly
realized
that
it
is
a
beautiful
functioning
machine
that
you
know
we
have
built
this
amazing
thing.
H
This
911
response
configuration
Emergency
Services,
they
go
out,
they
find
you
they
meet
your
needs
to
a
point
right
and
I
became
frustrated
a
little
bit
as
a
first
responder,
with
what
I
couldn't
do
and
I
jumped
out
of
fire
into
Behavioral
Health,
with
the
intent
to
be
able
to
deliver
more
than
just
I'm
going
to
bring
you
back
to
the
Ed
I'm
going
to
bring
you
back
to
HD
or
I'm
going
to
suggest
you
call
this
phone
number
and
sign
this
refusal.
H
H
So
that's
that's
a
heavy
load
right,
so
Nicole
has
some
much
better
answers
for
self-care
than
I.
Do
I,
don't
know
about
that.
My
mine
are
stepping
away
and
having
supportive
co-workers
and
a
sense
of
humor
and
also
having
a
realistic
capture
on
what
an
outcome
might
be,
or
what
a
successful
outcome
is.
Sometimes
it's
just
harm
reduction
in
a
behavioral
health
sense.
Maybe
we're
just
keeping
someone
safe
for
an
afternoon
and
that's
okay,
that's
success
and
that's
very
rewarding.
B
Thank
you
for
those
candid
responses,
any
other
questions.
E
B
E
Someone
mentioned
about
the
cold
weather.
Are
we
still
providing
I?
Think
when
I
was
there?
It's
probably
been
about
six
seven
months
we
were
giving
away
sleeping
bags
and
Tents.
Are
we
still
doing
that
or
have
we
moved
away
from
that.
G
We
are
not
doing
tents
and
sleeping
bags
at
this
point,
but
we
do.
We
got
a
bunch
of
they're
called
honcho
Panchos
and
they're
like
a
really
good
Poncho
jacket
with
a
hood.
So
it
is
warm
and
can
sort
of
be
like
a
little
cocoon
and
we
give
out
hand
warmers
hats
gloves
socks
jackets,
whatever
we
can,
whatever
we
can
get
on
these
cold
nights.
I
think
we're
running
code
blue
a
lot
this
week
and
over
last
weekend,
so
yeah
no
more
tests
for
sleeping.
B
You
and
just
to
add
to
that
I
thought
there
was
Midtown
campus
for
folks
to
because
there
was
this
misconception
like
oh
you're,
just
gonna
leave
people
out
without
Ted
tensor
sleeping
bags,
but
they're
you
give
them
resources,
but
there's
also
a
place
to
sleep
at.
G
Yeah
they're
opening
their
doors
at
eight
o'clock
on
these
cold
nights.
To
anyone
who
wants
to
come
in
so
air,
you
can
transport
people
who
want
to
go
there.
They
can
go
in
with
their
pets
and
they
can
sleep
in
this
warm
space.
And
then
you
know
clear
out
the
next
day,
but
it's
really
low
barrier
and
extremely
helpful.
B
The
only
thing
I
would
say
that
maybe
Andres
can
clarify,
because
I
was
bringing
up
at
our
quality
of
life
meeting
that
Las
Cruces
city
of
Las
Cruces
got,
and
maybe
it
didn't
exactly
wasn't
a
million
dollars,
but
was
appropriated
funding
for
their
aru
unit
from
our
federal
from
our
Congressional
senators
from
Senator
Luhan,
specifically
so
I
guess.
My
question
was
like:
why
are
we
getting
that
funding?
We
already
are
established
and
I
think
they're
already
established,
but
they're
newer,
correct.
G
Yeah
I
think
I
mean
some
of
that
funding
is
really
good
to
sort
of
pour
into
a
newer
program.
That's
trying
to
build
out
those
Services.
You
know
we
have
had
Grant
funded
stuff
in
our
office.
I
was
Grant
funded
for
a
while,
and
so
one
of
our
case
managers
has
been
Grant
funded
also
through
the
FR
Cara
Grant.
So
that's
an
opiate
related
Grant.
So
it's
really
good
for
sort
of
building
out
stuff
and
I
think
you
know,
I
just
got
an
email
the
other
day
about
some
Behavioral
Health
money.
G
I
think
it
was
stamps
anyways
huge,
huge
amounts
of
money
and
I
was
thinking.
Oh
my
God
look
at
all
this
money,
but
it
is,
you
know
it's
a
lot
of
work
to
write
for
and
manage
a
grant,
and
we
in
my
office
right
now
are
not
in
a
position
to
spend
the
time
doing
that
we
are
maxed,
so
we'll
gladly
take
a
grant
if
somebody
can
write
for
it
and
manage
it
for
us.
B
So,
maybe
that's
a
I,
don't
know
I
asked
you
this
last
time
about
wish
lists
and
things
that
would
be
needed
for
mijo
aru,
and
you
know
mobile
crisis
team.
How
what
would
be
helpful
and
what
we
could
do
as
elected
officials,
especially
as
it
relates
to
budget,
and
although
maybe
people
don't
want
to
say
exactly
here
in
this
space,
to
say
what
is
not
happening
to
support
you
all.
B
Would
you
prefer
that
it
comes
from
General
funds
funding
to
support
the
this
team
versus
Grant
funded
positions,
because
you're
right
I
mean,
if
you
don't
have
a
grant
writer,
then
you're
spending
more
time
trying
to
find
funding
to
support
your
your
positions,
and
that
is
unsustainable.
My
position
in
my
opinion,
so
what
what
else?
How
else
could
what
that?
What
else
could
that
look
like
for
us.
G
Yeah
I
will
say
that
being
able
to
move
from
some
grant
funding
into
hard
funding
stuff
is
huge
and
I
am
hopeful
that
at
some
point
my
position
will
be
an
actual
City
employee
position.
G
I
would
gladly
take
that
if
I
could
I'm
very
dedicated
to
this
work,
sometimes
a
little
bit
too
much,
but
so
having
that
hard
funding,
also
what
it
does
for
us
is.
It
allows
us
to
work
without
having
to
build,
and
that
keeps
us
extremely
Nimble.
G
We
do
not
have
to
spend
the
time
or
Energy
billing
Medicaid
or
any
insurance
and
I've
been
fortunate
enough
that
I've
never
had
to
Bill
from
my
services
since
I
started
this
work
10
years
ago,
because
I
worked
in
places
that
hard
funded
it
so
I
appreciate
that
I
think
we
should
continue
to
do
that
in
order
to
keep
it
Nimble
and
responsive.
B
And
Valeria
stated
that
just
managing
grants
and
Reporting
on
grants,
especially
if
federal
state
is
they're,
just
very
bureaucratic,
there's
a
lot
there
so
yeah.
Anything
else
that
you
want
to
share
feel
comfortable
with
sharing
about
wish
lists
for
us
other
than
the
ones
you
listed
about.
Youth
support
and
I
wrote
them
down,
but
we
talked
about
them.
B
G
And
we
will
send
you
the
slides,
but
what
did
we
put
there?
It
was
detox
and
inpatient
stabilization
for
co-occurring.
That's
that's.
My
big
ask
is
I,
want
I,
want
some
beds
and
that
would
be
really
really
useful
for
us
to
have
a
facility
with
some
beds.
So
we
didn't
have
to
rely
on
a
on
a
hospital
to
be
the
gatekeeper
to
that.
B
Yeah
is
that
what
just
got
built
in
Albuquerque
recently
got
a
sobering
facility.
I.
B
Some
more
that
was
the
only
reason
I
know
is
because
looking
at
congresswoman
Stansberry
was
they
got
Federal
funding
for
that
and
it
opened
and
she
was
touring
it,
but
I
didn't
I,
wasn't
sure
if
it
was
a
facility
that
had
beds
as
well,
but
it
was
a
sobering
center
I.
H
Believe
that
facility
is
off
of
The
Haven
facility
and
includes
medical
beds
for
people
who've
been
released
from
a
hospital
but
still
need
respite
care
and
also
some
a
14-day
psychiatric
stabilization
Center
and
they
kind
of
there's
multiple
agencies
involved
and
they're
all
on
site.
It's
a
pretty
fantastic
program.
B
Yeah,
thank
you,
for
that.
Is
there
anything
else
you
want
to
share
with
us
that
we
should
know
about
as
we're
heading
into
budget
season,
as
I
asked
in
the
last
meeting,
I.
H
Would
just
like
to
express
my
gratitude
for
your
time
and
to
your
attention
and
I'd
like
to
as
a
community
member
and
Behavioral
Health
provider,
express
my
gratitude
for
the
support
of
the
mobile
Integrated
Health
office,
because
the
work
that
they're
doing
is
profound
and
it
makes
everything
else
possible.
H
G
Thank
you
for
that.
Thank
you,
Kate.
Thank
you
to
you
too
I.
We
very
much
work
as
a
team
Kate's
part
of
my
self-care
too
I
think
we
she's
the
only
person
in
my
life
who
knows
what
I
do
and
understands
the
intricacies
of
that.
So
peer
supervision
is
really
great,
but
yeah
I'm
super
grateful
for
this
opportunity
and
I'm
really
glad
that
the
city
and
the
county
are
prioritizing
this.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
B
When
we
get
to
that
point
and
before
we
leave
you
I'm
wondering
if
someone
could
just
explain,
maybe
there's
a
connection
since
Marcela
wasn't
able
to
join
us
tonight
of
how
this
next
phase
of
of
our
survey
for
getting
public
input
on
some
of
the
things
that
people
are
experiencing
and
lived
experiences
they've
already
gone
through
one
phase
of
Outreach
by
phone
interviews
and
those
are
random
night
randomized
calls
in
the
city
of
Santa
Fe
and
then
now.
B
D
Sure
so
the
idea
with
the
remaining
surveys
is
to
engage
folks,
who
are
often
least
heard
in
and
and
have
are
impacted
personally
impacted,
and
so
one
of
the
ways
we've
talked
about
doing
this
is
reaching
out
to
different
organizations
who
that
directly
work
with
folks
that
are
often
not
surveyed,
and
so
we've
been
putting
together
a
list
of
those
organizations
and
I
think
we
did
talk
about
this
in
past
meetings
that
aru
or
you
know,
or
the
mijo
office
through
the
various
programs,
would
be
great,
and
you
know
Kate
thinking
about
the
crisis,
triage
Center,
whether
that
was
a
way
to
do
some
Outreach
to
folks
who
might
want
to
engage
in
the
survey
it's
hard
because
you
know
we
want
to
make
sure.
D
There's
confidentiality
and
people
feel
safe,
doing
that
and
oftentimes
working
with
someone
that
they
know,
and
trust
is
a
great
way
to
to
do
this.
So
so
I
was
just
recommending
to
add
it
to
list.
But
I,
don't
know
where
we
are
in
that
process
and
I
know.
Marcella
knows
more
than
I
do
so,
and.
B
Then
I
apologize,
Mary
Louise,
you
might
have
some
input
as
well.
I'm,
sorry,
I'm,
tired,
I,
didn't
get
everybody
no.
I
That's
okay,
I
thank
you
and
first
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
showing
up
and
for
teaching
us
and
I'm
I'm.
Just
so
grateful
that
you
talked
about
the
importance
of
relationships
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
first
and
with
that
said,
I
really
believe
that
you
all
would
be
an
asset
to
this
survey
be
for
many
reasons,
but
one
of
them
is
because
of
the
relationships
that
you
do
have
with
a
population
and
then
also
the
knowledge
that
you
have
from
what
you've
learned
with
your
hands
in
the
Masa.
I
Doing
the
work
right
and
so
I,
don't
know
where
we
are
on
the
survey,
but
I
I
hope
that
we
can
stay
connected
with
you
and
your
team
so
that
we
could.
So
you
could
be
the
voice
for
best
practice
responses
that
would
really
help
us
to
help
the
community,
and
so
that
was
a
lot
in,
but
thanks
again
and
I.
Think
Marcella
could
maybe
because
she's
in
better
communication
with
the
the
guy
that's
in
charge
of
the
surveys
that
we're
doing
but
I
hope
we
all
stay
connected.
G
Yeah,
thank
you.
We
certainly
can
please
reach
out
to
me
any
way
that
you
need
to
be
happy
to
do.
B
That
we'll
give
you
more
information
just
it's!
We
don't
want
to
add
more
work
in
a
workload
to
what
you
already
have.
So
maybe
there's
a
way
to
massage
that,
and
so
we'll
we'll
see,
if,
if
someone
can
just
make
sure
that
Marcella
gets
the
information
that
there's
a
maybe
you
know
opportunity
here
so
anything
else
from
my
colleagues
before
we
let
these
lovely
folks
go
and
rest
for
the
evening.
Hopefully,
foreign.
E
You
know
you
mentioned
about
having
baths
and
I'm
sure
there
may
be
some
discussion
about
it
around
budget.
Have
you
done
any
preliminary
work
on
what
the
cost
might
be
if
the
city
were
able
to
fund
it.
G
We
have
not
we've
dug
into
a
couple
of
things.
We
were
thinking
about
trying
to
model-
maybe
a
proposal
around
this
one
in
California
that
that
we
liked,
but
if
we,
this
is
sort
of
a
work
in
progress.
This
presentation-
and
we
are
excited
to
add
to
it
so
happy
to
look
more
into
that.
E
So
if
there
were,
if
there
was
funding
available
for
next
fiscal
year,
which
starts
in
July
with,
is
that
too
soon?
Is
that
putting
you
in
a
position
then,
where
maybe
you're
not
quite
ready
to
start.
H
Eat
well,
what
we
do
see
now
across
the
state
is
the
push
to
open
more
crisis,
triage
centers
right.
Do
we
have
ours
here
in
Santa
Fe
and
the
one
in
Las
Cruces,
which
is
23
hours
and
one
at
UNM,
which
is
14
days?
H
H
You
can
get
two
top
heavy
by
hiring
too
much
staff
and
then
not
having
the
financial
support.
That
is
solid
right.
You
have
to
know
that
you
can
rely
on
it
for
the
next
five
years
going
forward
as
an
operation.
H
So
that
would
be
one
of
the
reasons.
For
example,
our
Center
here
is
just
14
hours
a
day
and
we
hope
to
expand
to
23
hours
or
24
hours
in
the
future.
I
think
that
there
are
probably
including
ourselves
a
couple
of
agencies
that
would
be
ready
to
tackle
that
question
head-on
and
develop
ways
to
find
beds
that
are
appropriately
staffed.
B
Thank
you
anything
else
before
we
leave
our
our
guests
this
evening,.
B
G
Thank
you
so
much
for
having
us,
really
it's
so
nice
to
be
able
to
share
this
with
you
and
talk
it
through.
It
means
a
lot.
Thank
you.
Thank.
C
B
Well,
given
our
time
here,
I
think
we
had
on
our
agenda.
B
Matters
from
the
test
scores
and
then
after
that
we
had
just
as
a
placeholder
working
group
breakouts,
but
given
the
time
I
think
we
should
skip
that.
If
you,
if
it's
okay
with
you
all
and
I,
don't
know
if
there's
anything
else
folks
want
to
share.
Do
you
know
any
anyone
else
on
the
task?
First,
have
anything
that
you
want
to
share
with
us
Emily.
D
Just
wanted
to
share
a
couple
of
potential,
exciting
bills
and
they're
going
to
be
a
lot
and
I
know.
Last
year
we
sort
of
looked
at
well
they're,
going
to
be
a
lot
of
bills.
I
should
have
qualified,
they
may
not
all
be
really
excited.
D
Some
of
them
will
be
very
scary,
but
just
wanted
to
highlight
too
that
I'm
working
on
and
happy
to
share
is
that,
because
it
addresses
some
of
the
stuff
we've
talked
about.
One
is
an
authorization
bill
for
overdose
prevention
centers.
So,
as
you
recall,
we
heard
from
New
York's
on
point
and
they've
opened
up
a
couple,
and
so
we
anticipate
that
legislation
being
introduced
that
would
allow
local
communities
to
open,
Pilots
or
actually
wouldn't
even
have
to
be
a
pilot.
D
It
could
just
be
a
full-on
program,
so
that's
one
and
the
other
one
is
Emily.
What's
the
name
again.
D
Overdose
prevention
programs,
so
those
are
the
safe
spaces
where
people
can
bring
pre-obtained
drugs
to
use
in
their
offered,
wraparound
Services
and
then
the
other
one
is
offering
medication.
D
Well,
I'm
a
medication,
assisted
treatment
or
opiate
use
disorder,
treatment
in
correctional
facilities
in
jail.
So
right
now,
as
we
know,
not
all
jails
and
Correctional
Facilities
offer
that
type
of
medication.
So
for
folks,
who
are
let's
say,
have
a
prescription
for
buprenorphine,
which
is
Suboxone
for
an
opiate
use
disorder
in
our
Santa
Fe
County
Jail.
They
have
to
detox
off
their
prescription.
Medication
they're
not
allowed
to
continue
that
medication,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
people
that
aren't
even
given
that
type
of
medication.
D
It's
there
if
they
are
deemed
eligible,
so
this
would
actually
mandate
that
type
of
treatment.
So
that's
another
I
think
really
important
step
forward.
So
those
two
bills
haven't
been
introduced
yet,
but
I
anticipate
in
the
next
week
or
two.
They
will.
B
So
thanks
great,
thank
you
so
much
Emily,
any
other
announcements
or
things
that
folks
want
to
share
with
the
group.
B
J
A
Really
quick
Emily
do
we
have?
Are
there
numbers
like
Bill
numbers
for
these
things,
for
quick
reference,
not.
D
Yet
they
haven't
been
introduced.
Okay,
once
they
are
I'll,
send
out
an
email.
Thank
you.
My
friend
thank.
B
And
I
guess
the
question
follow-up
to
that
for
our
next
test,
first
meeting,
which
is
scheduled
for
February
7th.
Do
we
want
a
specific
presentation
that
at
that
meeting,
whether
it's
updates
on
legislation
happening
and
or
something
else,
because
we
don't
have
a
presentation
planned
we
don't
necessarily
have
to?
B
But
if
folks
could
let
us
know
if
there's
something
that
was
on
our
list
that
we
haven't
gotten
to
or
if
there's
legis
legislative
updates
that
we
want
and
then
maybe
finding
out
where
Dr
Sanchez
is
with
the
public,
engagement
and
I.
Don't
know
if
we'd
want
him
to
give
us
an
update
of
sarks,
we
could
find
out
if
I'll
be
ready
for
that.
B
B
No
all
right,
there's
not
anything
else
for
this
evening.
Our
next
meeting
is
Tuesday
February
7th
at
5
30,
and
we
won't
be
doing
work
working
group
breakouts
tonight
and
then
we'll
get
back
to
you
about
potential
for
the
next.
If
we
have
a
presentation
and
or
if
we
want
to
just
do
working
group
work
for
a
regular
meeting
time,
so
we
could
do
that
as
well,
we'll
find
out
more
from
Dr
Sanchez
but
I
think
we'll
we'll
leave
it
at
that
for
tonight.