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A
That
always
makes
me
laugh
all
right,
I'm
going
to
call
the
community
health
and
safety
test
course
meeting
for
October
4th
2022
at
5
39-
and
this
is
an
all
Zoom
meeting
good
to
know
there.
The
Roundhouse
room
is
on
the
agenda.
Julie
I
just
noticed
right
now,
all
right.
Let's
start
off
with
the
Roll
Call.
B
B
Thank
you
for
reminding
me
so
councilwoman
Rene
Villarreal,
president.
C
B
Andy
Raskin
here
Emily
cuddleback
here
Sarah
Grant.
B
Monica
Alt
present
and
Marcela
Diaz
Amir
welcome
everyone.
Great
there
we
go.
Roll
call
is
complete.
A
So
excused
we
actually
have
Mary
Louise
rometto
is
excused,
do
you
know
Zamora
will
be
late,
Valeria
is
with
us
and
Sarah
Grant
is
a
Community
member
joining
us.
A
B
Absolutely
seconds
roll
call,
we
have
councilwoman
Renee
Villarreal,
yes,.
A
C
B
Okay,
Emily
comeback:
yes,
Monica
halt;
yes,
Marcela
Diaz.
A
And
you
can
abstain
if
you
want,
since
you
haven't
I'll
abstain,.
A
You
all
right
moving
on
here,
Communications
from
the
co-chairs.
F
F
D
So
I
do
I,
have
one
really
important
announcement
that
I'll
make
so
I
did
hire
my
community
violence
program
manager.
They
officially
started
today
yay,
and
so
the
position
was
filled
by
Dr,
Sophie,
Anar
and.
A
D
She
will
be
taking
on
that
role,
which
is
really
fantastic,
and
it
took
about
three
months
to
get
her
in,
but
we
got
her
in
so
I'm
really
excited
for
her
to
start
some
of
the
workarounds,
the
community
violence
initiatives,
so
super
excited
to
make
that
announcement.
Finally,.
D
So
it's
a
Youth
and
Family
Services
program
manager
with
an
assignment
and
community
and
youth
violence.
D
And
so
we
have
one
more
position
that
we're
filling
and
it's
a
Youth
and
Family
Services
program
manager,
but
with
assignment
to
Homeless
Solutions,
so
that
one
is
still
vacant.
A
Okay.
Okay,
thank
you.
That's
great
news.
Julie
has
there's
a
lot
of
vacancies
in
Julie's,
not
really
just
department
but
the
whole,
not
division,
but
the
whole
department.
Right,
wouldn't
you
say.
D
Yeah
I
will
say
that
my
division
as
before
Sophie
came
on
board
I
met
us
I
was
at
a
70
vacancy
rate.
Oh
wow,.
A
Look
at
all
the
pets
that
we
have
too
that's
awesome.
That's
great
Julie,
I'm
glad
that
you're
getting
support.
Thank
you.
Everything
a
lot
easier!
Anything
Valeria
that
you
wanted
to
share
with
us.
Yes,.
B
Yes,
absolutely
so,
as
you
know,
we
we're
approaching
our
quarterly
progress
report.
Presentation
to
the
governing
body.
You've
received
the
the
report,
the
slide
deck
and
thank
you
all
the
ones
that
provided
some
revisions,
really
appreciate
that
Renee
and
I
are
going
to
be
meeting
tomorrow
morning
to
dial
in
the
slide
deck
and
make
it
as
concise.
B
You
know
shortened
as
possible
and
then
that
will
be
submitted
to
Julie
to
submit
to
the
prime
gov
so
that
we're
ready
to
go
next
week
at
some
point,
maybe
before
we
break
out
after
the
discussion
and
before
we
do
the
breakout
or
are
leaning
to
Renee
and
Chris.
If
what
do
you
guys
think
about
sort
of
getting
a
sense
of
who's
going
to
participate
for.
B
So
just
kind
of
doing
that
sort
of
plug-in
there
and
I
have
it
on
my
notes:
Here
kind
of
keeping
the
Ithaca
reimagining
Community
safety
presentation
in
our
radar
and
so
Chris.
If
you've
heard
anything
from
Ithaca
you
know
updates,
are
welcome.
Also
encouraging.
All
of
you
to
take
a
look
at
our
work
plan.
B
Our
remaining
calendar
quote-unquote
annual
calendar
dates
available
for
presentation,
so
we've
got
October
18th,
November,
1st
November
8th,
and
then
we
start
getting
into
December,
9th
and
December
14th
as
a
possibility
for
our
quarterly
presentation
to
the
governing
body.
So
there's
still
some
dates
available
for
learning
sessions.
Should
you
have
priorities
around
that?
B
G
Hi
I'm,
just
I,
haven't,
had
a
chance
to
go
in
and
change
this
on
the
report,
malaria,
but
just
to
remind
folks
that
we
no
longer
have
a
separate
Community
engagement
working
group
that
that
morphed
into
the
alternative
approaches.
So
if
the
alternative
approaches
and
Community
engagement
group
and
we're
taking
on
with
our
new
addition
to
our
alternative
group
or
the
morphing
of
the
two
groups,
so
I
just
wanted
to
share
that
for
the
purposes
of
the
report.
So.
A
Well,
I
think
I
think
what
we're
gonna
do
y'all
to,
because
we
have
a
very
limited
time
to
present.
We
have
a
very.
We
have
a
really
busy
agenda
that
night
we
need
to.
A
We
need
to
summarize
things
concisely
and
actually
probably
putting
all
the
kind
of
accomplishments
together
and
all
the
different
task
forces
and
not
defining
that.
That
was
the
you
know,
policies
and
practices
working
group,
and
that
was
this.
You
know
defining
that
that
we're
going
to
put
it
all
together
and
I'm,
just
making
sure
you're.
Okay
with
that
before
we
do
it
I
think
it
just
make,
would
make
it
easier
to
read
just
put
them
all
together
and
then
some
of
those
slide
decks
have
a
lot
of
information
and
I.
A
Don't
know
if
you
all
looked
at
it
all
that
information
is
actually
in
the
quarterly
report
update.
That's
the
actual
document,
that's
going
to
be
a
an
attachment
to
the,
or
what
do
you
call
it?
A
it'll
be
part
of
the
packet
material
for
the
the
governing
body,
so
they'll
have
that
information
in
the
accessible
to
the
public
as
well,
but
the
slide
deck
really
needs
to
just
be
short
like
a
few
slides,
and
so,
if
there's
something
that
you
sign
there,
because
there's
a
lot
of
information
from
all
the
presentations.
A
If
there's
something
that,
like
learnings,
a
couple
of
bullet
points
or
three
bullet
points
from
those
presentations,
I
think
that's
how
we
should
do
it.
So
there's
a
lot
in
there
in
the
slide,
deck
and
I.
Don't
know
if
it's
Valeria,
if
there's
a
way,
because
when
you
tell
Marcella
the
way
she
could
edit,
it
would
be
to
put
the
comments.
G
So
the
the
comment
about
so
I
can
go
in
and
change
the
name
of
the
group,
because
that's
what
I
was
going
to
change
and
some
updates
on
the
community
engagement
process.
That's
we're
about
to
finally
embark
on,
but
I
don't
have
to
do
that
on
the
slide
deck.
I
can
also
do
that
in
this
other
report,
but
I
don't
know
where
to
access.
The
other
report
am
I
missing.
Something
where
do
I
can
access
the
other
yeah
yeah.
B
Marcela
I
shared
a
a
Google
doc
on
Thursday
or
Friday,
so
that
you
can
directly
device
were
unique,
was
just
asking
to
use
the
suggested
edit
feature
so
that
I
can
keep.
A
The
other
thing
I
should
I
would
suggest
for
Valeria's
support
is
that
those
of
you
that
were
in
charge
of
putting
together
those
presentations
or
those
panelists
is
to
look
at
the
main
document,
because
there's
like
a
lot
of
information,
it
summarizes,
but
what
the
presentation
was
about
and
some
of
the
findings
that
they
shared
with
us.
If
there's
something
that
you
think
needs
to
be
in
the
slide
deck.
That's
of
importance
to
highlight.
A
C
A
I
guess
I
mean
I
could
do
Nicole
for
that
presentation
or
we
keep
or
me
and
Gino
or
I.
Don't
know
one
of
us.
A
B
It
makes
sense,
I
would
just
say
from
having
to
produce
this
thing.
It's
doable
if
we
can
all
get
these
revisions
by
the
end
of
day
tomorrow.
I
know
we've
been
sort
of
inching
every
week
towards
this
week
and
it's
tight,
but
I
also
need
that
turnaround
time.
So
I
can
make
sure
everything
looks
great
and
submit
it
to
Julian
end
of
day
Thursday
first
thing
in
the
morning
Friday.
So
it's
really
up
to
all
of
you.
How
you
know
quickly,
you
can
turn
it
around.
H
E
B
The
slag
deck,
because
I
created
the
slide
deck
out
of
the
from
the
report
right
and
summarized
it
as
much
as
possible.
The
thing
that
I
always
stumble
upon
is
that
I,
don't
I,
get
afraid
to
leave
something
out.
That's
important
and,
of
course,
all
of
you
are
the
experts
and
closest
to
the
work,
and
so
be
great
for
for
you
to
look
at
the
slide
deck
and
said
you
know
just
highlight
this:
this
keep
finding
you
don't
have
to
get
into
all
that.
Other
detail
like
Renee
is
saying.
E
Okay
and
sorry,
just
a
technical
question
then,
but
as
I
recall,
the
slide
deck
was
like
a.
We
couldn't
modify
anything
on
it.
No.
B
A
A
Just
so,
you
know
I've
done
that
before,
where
I
look
at
the
slide,
deck
and
I
send
Valeria
my
comments
in
an
email
and
it's
a
lot
of
work.
So
I'd
rather
just
look
at
the
document
and
you
what
you've
already
edited
and
say
this
should
be
in
the
slide
deck.
Is
that
easier,
I'm
just
trying
to
find
an
easier
way
that
you
all
can
like?
Let
us
know
what
is
actually
pertinent,
because,
right
now
the
slide
deck
is
almost
20
slides
and
that's.
We
need
to
be
about
five
or
six.
F
A
All
of
that
will
still
be
in
the
document
that
you're
looking
at
okay
and
that
will
actually
be
submitted
to
the
governing
body.
Also
right.
Our
slide
deck
is
like
what
we'll
be
going
through
at
the
presentation
that
needs
to
be
short
and
sweet,
and
if
they
have
questions
from
that
other
document,
they
can
ask
us
hopefully
they'll.
Just
we
have
a
lot
on
the
agenda.
We
just
can't
extend
it,
although
I'm
sure
there'll
be
questions
about
why
we
want
to
extend
our
time
frame
work
to
do.
I
Did
so
I'm
just
looking
at
this
real
quick,
so
you
said
that
you
want
to
distill
the
the
slides
to
three
slides
so
to
me,
then
there's
really.
We
should
then
you're
cutting
almost
all
of
this
out.
A
B
I
just
decided
to
open
the
slide
that
Monica
is
referencing
because
this
it
it
lists
all
the
sessions.
It
just
says:
here's
what
we've
achieved
this
this
this
last
quarter,
then
I
give
a
quick
update
on
the
policies
and
practices.
B
A
So
it's
not
like
we
don't.
We
don't
need
to
put
in
information
about
some
of
those
key
findings
from
those
presentations.
It's
just
that
like
there's
just
too
much
information
like
if
you
just
saw
those
bindings
with
Sophie's
presentation
with
the
police
department's
presentation
about
their
Staffing
report,
so.
I
My
thing
is:
why
not
just
keep
it
as
the
slide
five
I
mean
because
then
we're
gonna
follow
up
with
a
full
report
that
we'll
have
key
findings
in
the
recommendations,
and
we
don't
want
to
do
recommendations
until
we
actually
do
the
community
engagement
right
and
then
yeah,
nice
and
nice
and
fast
it
I
mean,
even
though
it's
great
stuff
right
like
people,
don't
you
know
as
far
as
a
presentation,
it
seems
better
to
just
keep
it
this
way.
These
were
the
learning
sessions
that
people
have
potential
questions
about
about
them.
I
A
B
G
Sorry
I
was
just
gonna,
I
was
just
I,
was
just
gonna
repeat
it
what
Monica
said?
Yes,
my
reluctance
on
this
was:
why
are
we
adding?
Why
are
we
saying
what
potential
recommendations
are
yet,
if
we're
not
there
yet
but
I
love
that
you
included
and
as
a
part
of
the
broader
report,
some
of
the
key
findings
from
the
presentations.
Thank
you
Valeria
for
keeping
track
of
those
and
for
putting
them
someplace,
because
we
will
absolutely
need
them
for
the
report,
which
is
daunting.
G
The
only
thing
I
would
add
and
I'm
going
to
add
information
very,
very
briefly
on
the
next
steps
about
the
timeline
on
the
implementation
of
the
survey
so
that
they
know
that
this
is
happening
and
what
we
can
expect
what
the
city
can
expect
from
that.
So
I'll
do
that
today
or
tomorrow.
G
The
only
other
thing
that
you
might
want
to
add
is
where
people
can
see
recordings
of
the
presentation.
That's
the
only
thing
I
would
add,
so
they
can
go
and
look
at
it
themselves.
I
I
love
that
idea
and
I
yeah
I
think
it's
not
just
the
first
four
slides
but
then
keeping
the
what's
next
and
then
leaving
it,
and
then
people
exactly
people
can
go
and
access
the
recordings
and
they
can
enrich
their
learning
because
I
know
for
some
of
our
presentations.
We
had
a
series
of
additional
documents
that
came
with
it.
I
know:
I
sent
something
around
for
Vera
and
I
have
the
slide
deck
so
I'm
going
to
do
that
tonight
and
send
that
to
everybody.
A
And
that
document
that
we're
talking
about
the
quarterly
update
document
has
all
this
information
in
there.
It
also
has
some
potential
recommendations
just
listed.
They
don't
need
to
be
they're,
not
like
our
fine
final
findings,
they're
just
potential
recommendations.
So,
if
you
all
don't
like
that,
we
should
change
it.
H
G
E
And
if
I
can
add
it,
we
also
made
a
commitment
as
a
task
force
that
we
wouldn't
be
crafting
recommendations
until
we've
had
learning
sessions
and
the
community
input,
because
this
really
should
be
driven
Beyond.
Just
our
little
task
force,
we
should
be
listening
to
the
community,
so
I
had
suggested
to
Valeria
in
an
email
that
perhaps
it
should
be.
E
Oh,
you
know
just
yeah
items
for
continued
exploration,
I,
don't
know
I
just
like,
or
is
there
some
way
we
can
say
you
know
to
follow
up
on
these
or
you
know
something
like
that.
Yeah.
B
So
I
did
do
that
Emily
throughout
the
entire
document.
I
changed
anything
that
it
had
potential
recommendations
or
consideration
for
recommendations.
I
changed
it
to
this
headache,
so
that
people
knew
that
you
all
were
still
assessing,
researching
exploring
determining
you
know
what
those
recommendations
could
potentially
be
so.
A
That's
good
Emily
I
do
want
to
just
say,
though,
that
we
can
provide
some
initial
recommendations
at
in
December
when
we
do
that
final
well,
final
year
kind
of
report,
because
I
think
there'll
be
some
things
that
we
can
do
that.
Don't
necessarily
need
Community
input
like
we.
We
Define
some
like
simple
ways
to
have
accessible
documents
on
the
police
website
that
they
can
do
right
away.
A
So
I
think
we
need
to
think
about
some
of
the
recommendations
that
actually
could
be
for
lack
of
a
better
word
low
hanging
fruit
because
they'll
be
like
well,
then
you
didn't
provide
us
with
any
recommendations
and
there
were
counselors
that
wanted
like
what
are
things
you
can
recommend.
It
recommend
right
away
without
the
whole
Community
engagement
aspect
and
I
think
there
might
be
some
we've
already
done,
some
stuff
at
the
city
level
in
terms
of
policy
changes
that
came
from
this
group,
informally
right
from
fines
and
fees.
A
E
Do
you
can
I
comment
on
that?
Thank
you,
counselor
I,
I,
totally
agree.
I,
think
that
people
should
understand,
though,
is
that
if
we
had
had
the
contract
from
you
know
like.
If
we
had
moved
forward
with
the
community
engagement
piece,
we
would
have
had
recommendations
in
December
and
so
I
just
feel
like.
E
That
should
be
clear
to
the
council
that
you
know
the
reason
that
those
recommendation-
you
know
we
don't
have
a
Full
Slate
of
recommendations
is
because
I
don't
know
how
long
did
it
take
to
get
that
contract
done
a
year
almost
I
think
it
was
February,
January
February
we
started
working
on
it,
so
I
just
want
to
flag
that,
because
that's
you
know
to
me
really
frustrating
that
we
haven't
been
able
like,
because
now
we
have
to
go
back
and
ask
to
extend
to
the
spring
and
I,
don't
know
if
all
of
us
have
signed
up
to
be
on
for
that
long
and
so
I
just
I
feel
like
we
should
be
clear
and
transparent
that
that
that
occurred,
and
that's
why
it's
put
us
back,
because
the
community
engagement
input
piece
is
so
critical
and
anyways
just
I
just
wanted
to
flag
that.
G
I,
don't
it
doesn't
makes
me
nervous,
Renee
I
think
what
makes
me
nervous
like.
How
can
we?
How
can
we
talk
about
that
without
it
being
a
part
of
our
broader
recommendations
yet,
and
it
is
because
of
the
community
engagement
piece,
but
even
in
our
com.
In
our
initial
conversations
on
the
first
draft
of
the
survey
instrument
with
Dr
Gabriel
Sanchez,
you
know
initially,
it
was
very
policy
heavy
and
the
first.
You
know
the
first
piece
of
the
first
interaction
we
had
with
them.
G
Is
we
really
this
survey
instrument
and
the
whole
Community
engagement
process
really
is
about
as
well
as
what
we're
trying
to
do
through
this
committee
is
thinking
just
bigger
and
I
know
that
it's
been
frustrating
for
some
of
the
other
counselors
and
they
want
the
low-hanging
fruit
and
they
want
the
little
tiny
policy
pieces
that
are
easier
to
tackle
and
I
totally
appreciate
that.
G
So
how
can
we
talk
about
that
in
a
report
without
blogging,
without
starting
our
first
recommendations
with
things
that
are
small
and
reform,
oriented
and
policy
oriented
small
policy,
as
opposed
to?
We
really
are
tasked
with
walking
with
our
community
and
reimagining
and
really
thinking
big
and
outside
the
box,
and
so
that's
my
only
concern
so
I
think
we
should
do
it.
A
Then
that
makes
sense
I
mean
that's
fair.
We
just
have
to
explain
that
in
a
way
that
makes
sense
for
people.
Is
that
your
hand
up
Monica?
No,
no.
It.
I
Well,
of
course,
and
and
this
is
also
to
say
that
you
know
there's
some
of
us
on
this
group
also,
you
know
work
in
policy
outside
of
this
group
and
are
able
to
push
things
and
get
things
through,
but
but
that
that's
you
know,
that's
sort
of
a
separate,
slash
group,
Enterprise
and
not
necessarily
part
of
part
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
here,
which
is
bigger.
A
A
F
Just
gonna
add
I,
agree
completely
because
we
may
frame
below
hanging
fruit
within
the
context
of
the
bigger
fruit,
so
I
think
having
it
all
kind
of
fleshed
out.
It's
going
to
make
a
lot
more
sense
and
be
a
lot
more
powerful
and
I
think
not
only
did
it
take
a
year
to
get
the
contract,
we
still
haven't
heard
an
answer
to
all
our
questions,
to
really
have
meaningful
responses
and
we're
still
waiting
on
that.
So
I
think.
H
A
Sounds
good
any
other
thoughts
on
that
Chris
gave
an
opinion.
C
Think
low
hanging,
fruits,
bad
term
I
think
to
kind
of
use,
but
what
I
was
envisioning
was
so
Julie
told
us
that
the
police
department's
in
the
process
of
redoing
their
website
so
to
make
recommendations
now.
J
C
Say:
hey,
it
needs
to
be
transparent.
It
needs
to
be
something
that
the
layperson
can
look
at
and
find
things
easily.
No
one
knows
very
few
people
know
what
a
hot
sheet
is.
Yet
that's
where
you
find
the
day-to-day
calls
so
to
give
PD
that
information.
Now,
while
they're
building
the
website,
it
seems
like
an
important
thing
to
do.
Instead
of
waiting
until
next
June.
A
I
The
Police
website,
with
the
people
at
Vera,
provide
this
documentation,
so
you're
still
facilitating
that
process,
because
I
mean
and
granted.
We
haven't
done
a
full
evaluation
of
Santa
Fe
police
department,
but,
looking
at
the
out,
you
know
APD,
right
and
looking
at
what
those
scores
were
just
across
the
country
and
and
doing
that.
Little
exercise
that
we
did
during
their
presentation,
I
can
I
can
presume
that
it
will
take
much
longer
than
just
this
little
chunk
of
time
of
redesigning
the
website
right,
because
we're
talking
about
actually
collecting
data
making
the
data
available.
I
All
these
things
there
are
so
many
other
things
that
they
can
do.
But
in
the
meantime
saying
we
had
this
this
presentation,
you
know
here's,
you
know
the
presenter's
information
and
starting
to
connect.
Those
dots
but
I'm,
yeah
I,
don't
know
how
this
is
going
to
go
about
and
I,
don't
know
what
their
timeline
is,
rather
than
it
being
like
some
sort
of
formal
recommendation
that
we
do
in
December,
because
then
again
we
run
into
some
of
you
know,
potentially
some
some
roadblocks
to
some
of
the
other
wonderful
work
that
we've
done.
A
So
we
can
go
over
that
and
there's
maybe
potential
things
that
we
can
add
for
them
to
do
right
away
and
Vera
actually
relates
to
that.
So
be
nice.
If
they've
actually
look
at
that
presentation
or
that
recording
so
all
right,
so
I
think
the
Valeria
you
asked
about
I
think
we
need
to
resolve
this
now,
because
once
we
get
into
working
groups,
we're
not
going
to
come
back
into
the
meeting
space
again.
B
Right,
yeah,
yeah
I,
you
know
having
different
voices,
always
makes
for
a
more
Dynamic
presentation.
Going
back
to
your
concern,
Renee
that
it's
a
very
limited
time
that
we
have
with
the
governing
body.
We
want
to
be
laser,
focused,
so
I
lean
into
all
of
you,
whatever
you
prefer.
You
know
I'm
100
behind
yeah.
B
C
In
the
last
couple
ones,
I
think
Renee
and
I
and
Val
and
I
think
Julia
are
kind
of
taken
them.
I
think
if
anyone
else
is
is
willing,
I'm
sure
the
council
would
love
to
hear
from
other
members
of
the
committee.
If
you
can
make
it,
it
should
be
pretty
close
to
five
o'clock
when
we
start-
and
it's
only
five
slides
should
only
take
maybe
20
minutes
25
minutes
so.
C
H
H
For
tonight's
working
group,
agendas-
I'm,
not
you
know,
at
least
for
for
ours
policies
and
practices,
I'm,
not
sure
what
we've
got
for
the
hour,
but
I'm
wondering
if
we
couldn't
just
bullet
point,
spend
part
of
that
bullet
pointing
what's
what's
in
there.
We
can
pull
up
the
document
and
just
to
send
you
maybe
five
bullet
points,
the
that
are
very
concise.
If
you've
got
four
pages,
I
can
see
either
I
either.
One
slide
is
gonna,
have
four
quadrants
with
bullet
points
of
each
work
of
each
working
group
or
you're?
H
B
Yeah
so
Gino
since,
since
you're
touching
on
that
I
send
you
the
link
so
that,
when
we're
in
the
breakout
sessions,
you
can
view
that
slide
deck
independently
and
and
start
to
jot
down
how
it
is
that
you
want
it
to
be
bullet
point
and
just
copy
and
paste
it
and
send
it
to
me
via
email
or
on
the
in
the
chat
as
well.
But.
B
The
alternative
approaches-
team
I
can
do
the
same.
Whoever
wants
can
give
Emily
or
Chris
or
somebody
access
to
that.
So
you.
A
Can
take
it,
you
know
we
can
go
through
that,
but
I
also
want
to
go
through
what
we're
going
to
be
sending
staff
and
I
already
have
it
prepared
for
you
all
to
look
at
in
our
working
group.
So
but
it
it's
relevant
like
it's
connected,
so
we
can
figure
it
out.
I
mean
it
doesn't
have
to
be
poor.
We
can
add
more
info
if
we
need
to
it's
just
that
from
20
we
needed,
we
needed
it
to
be
it's
a
thing
so
yeah.
You
can
all
talk
about
that.
A
If
you
want
in
your
working
group,
but
I
think
it's
just.
We
want
to
know
if
you
want
to
be
there
to
say
anything
or
to
cover
any
information
on
the
slide
or
be
able
to
answer
questions.
There
was
a
question
that
had
to
do
with
something
that
some
of
Emily's
information
that
was
presented
and
we
couldn't
answer
the
question
not
that
we
you
needed
to
be
there
per
se,
but
we.
I
A
We
could
answer
that
question.
Do
you
all
remember
that
I
don't
remember
what
it
was?
It
was
just
kind
of
just
inquiry
about
the
something
that
was
on
the
slide
there
or
information.
So
is
there
I
guess
the
question
is
like
do
people
and
you
can
be
on
Zoom?
If
you
want,
you,
don't
have
to
be
there
in
person.
G
When
I'm
sorry,
I
can
probably
be
there
if
they
wanted
to
ask
questions
about
the
community
engagement
process,
they're
going
to
want
to
be
like
how
do
we
get
to
determine
what's
on
the
survey
instrument
and
we're
going
to
be
like
you
can't?
Oh,
no,
but
I
can
be
there
just
in
case.
They
want
to
know
about
what
we're
doing
on
the
survey
and
Community
engagement,
piece.
J
B
C
H
A
D
A
E
We
had
talked
to
Val
via
you
know,
going
back
and
forth
that
this
wasn't
like
a
formal
presentation.
It
would
just
give
like
an
overview.
We
don't
have
a
panel.
This
was
an
issue
that
has
come
up
in
the
context
of
our
work
and
this
issue
being
traffic
enforcement
and
alternative
models,
and
so
I
had
sent
out
to
everyone
earlier
before
the
meeting
two
documents.
One
is
a
spreadsheet
and
the
other
are.
E
You
know
more
specific
notes
on
other
jurisdictions
that
have
moved
forward
with
something
alternative
enforcement
like
models.
This
work
was
done
by
an
intern
at
drug
policy
Alliance,
and
so
I
just
want
to
note
that
she
did
this
work
over
the
summer,
and
so
some
of
this
information
may
have
changed
or
is
updated.
E
So
I
just
want
to
also
flag
that,
but
just
in
general,
the
importance
of
thinking
for
our
group
in
our
work
to
reimagine
that
many
of
the
unhealthy
relationships
sometimes
encounters
that
we've
seen
across
the
country
have
occurred
that
have
started
with
a
a
traffic
stop
because
someone
had
a
outdated
registration
or
a
broken
windshield.
E
If
we
all
recall
Dante
Wright
in
Minnesota,
you
know
he
was
stopped
with
a
because
of
a
I
think
it
was
an
expired
tag
on
his
car
and
also
had
an
air
freshener
hanging
from
the
window.
The
rear
view
mirror
and
that
turned
deadly
and
he
lost
his
life.
E
The
the
officer
thought
she
was
pulling
a
stun
gun
and
actually
pulled
a
weapon
and
murdered
Dante
Wright
and
so
I
would
just
point
to
one
of
the
case:
studies
from
Center
City
Minneapolis,
where
this
incident
occurred,
and
they
have
actually
moved
forward
with
really
amazing
sort
of
new
ways
of
thinking
about
traffic
as
have
Philadelphia.
E
You
know
those
may
be
two
that
you
know,
as
we
start
thinking
about
what
that
might
look
like
in
Santa,
Fe
or
and
and
talking
to
our
community
members
about
what
that
looks
like
I
think
those
two
jurisdictions
offer
some
lessons
to
be
learned
in
Center,
City
I've
actually
had
conversations
with
their
mayor,
they're
they're,
going
even
Beyond.
Some
of
this
traffic
enforcement
they're,
also
looking
at
Banning
no
knock
and
quick,
Knock
raids,
which
is
something
actually
Santa.
Fe,
has
already
done
that.
D
E
The
no
knock
piece,
not
the
the
quick
Knock,
but
the
note
not-
and
so
it's
also
a
smaller
I-
mean
it's
a
Suburban.
It's
like
a
suburb
of
Minneapolis,
but
when
we
think
about
size,
there
might
be
some
comparisons
to
our
community,
but
again
that
what
center
city
is
doing
is
looking
at
Banning.
The
stops
by
armed
cops
of
things
like
broken
windshields
or
non-moving
violations
right
and
creating
a
a
different
type
of
response.
That
is
not
done
by
police
things
that
wouldn't
necessarily
lead
to
Serious
public
safety
issues.
E
So
we're
not
going
to
walk
through
all
of
these
different
jurisdictions
or
but
I
I.
Just
urge
you
to
take
a
look
at
the
information
that
was
gathered.
There
are
a
couple
places
where
they've
actually
done
some
evaluation
of
the
impact,
it's
mostly
around
looking
at
disparate
arrests.
So
again,
a
lot
of
the
data
shows
that
in
when
people
are
stopped
for
these
non-moving
violations,
they're
more
often
people
of
color
and
over
represented
what
they
these
communities
are
in
the
current
population.
E
So,
for
example,
I
think
it
was
Virginia,
went
back
and
actually
looked
at
what
had
occurred
after
they
had
implemented
this
alternative
model
and
they
saw
disparities
decline
in
who
was
being
stopped
and
subsequently
arrested.
I'd
also
just
flagged
that
in
the
spreadsheet
that
we
sent
out,
there
are
different
ways
that
these
models
are
being
implement
or
being
approved.
So
there
are
Statewide
legislation
being
introduced
and
approved.
There
are
models
that
are
being
really
directed
by
the
prosecutors
and
the
district
attorneys
in
various
places.
E
E
Then
there
are
obviously
city
council
level
models
so
that
again
just
there's
a
column
there
that
we
may
want
to
look
at
what
is
more
appropriate
when
we're
looking
at
a
city
task
force,
and
then
there
sorry
there's
one
more
category
where
it
was
the
police
chief
that
actually
put
in
place
policies
and
procedures
just
on
their
own.
E
So
it
was
a
directive
that
came
directly
from
the
chief
and
and
obviously
that
doesn't
last
beyond
the
chief
and
in
some
places,
I
think
a
new
Chief
came
in
and
it
was
actually
overturned,
but
those
are
just
different
ways
that
different
jurisdictions
are
exploring,
so
I
hope
it'll
be
helpful
for
us
to
just
dive
in
and
take
a
look
I
think
the
notes
are
really
interested.
The
notes
document
is
the
most
helpful.
E
I
would
also
stress-
and
maybe
you
know,
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Monica
to
add
anything,
but
maybe
we
can
spend
a
few
minutes
talking
about
what.
How
do
we
address
this
in
our
community
input,
the
survey
or
the
tool
we're
going
to
be
using?
Is
there
a
question
that
we
might
may
want
to
be
asking
the
public
as
it
relates
to
traffic?
So
Monica,
do
you
have
stuff.
I
Yeah
yeah,
thank
you.
Emily
I
just
wanted
to
ask
too
and
make
sure
everybody
is
sort
of
clear
or
knows
what
a
pretextual
stop
is
because
I
think
sometimes
that
phrasing
can
be
a
little
different
and
it's
actually
a
legal
term
right,
there's
case
law
that
determines
how
you
prove
that
a
stop
was
pre-textual.
I
There's
also
other
types
of
ways
that
we
look
at
pretextual
stops,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
everybody
knows
what
we're
dealing
with
so
I'm,
just
going
to
say
it
rather
than
calling
people
out,
but
a
pretextual.
Stop
means
that
you
know
so.
I
For
example,
some
of
these
policies
are
identifying
particular
types
of
traffic
infractions
that
they
are
no
longer
going
to
use
as
a
primary
reason
to
prosecute
somebody
and
the
idea
being
that
when
I,
when
that
some
police
officers,
when
they're
out
you
know
patrolling
they
see
that
somebody
has
a
cracked
windshield-
and
that
is
you
know,
a
violation
of
the
law,
so
they
pull
them
over,
but
a
pretextual
stuff
would
mean
that
they
would
pull
them
over
because
they're
actually
looking
for
evidence
of
other
crimes,
they're
not
really
interested
in
the
traffic
violation,
they're
much
more
interested
in
other
things.
I
So
what
they
want
to
do
is
expand
legal
to
expand
the
scope
of
the
search
to
either
look
in
the
person's
body
or
to
look
in
the
vehicle
for
Contraband.
You
know
things
like
potentially
drugs,
potentially
guns,
potentially
all
kinds
of
things.
But
what
frequently
happens
is
that
in
these
interactions
they
they
can
become
violent,
as
Emily
said,
and,
and
it's
actually
really
it
can
be
dangerous
for
the
law
enforcement
officer.
It's
certainly
dangerous
for
the
person
that's
getting
pulled
over.
I
So
a
pretextual
stop
is
that
right.
It's
pretext.
I
said
that
I
was
pulling
you
over
because
you
had
a
broken
tail
light
and
I'm
concerned
about
Public
Safety,
but
what
I
really
want
to
do
is
look
for
other
things
and
all
of
these
policies.
All
of
these
communities
are
engaging
in
this
because
they're
trying
to
get
away
from
pre-textual
stops
and
also
free
up
law
enforcement
time,
because
a
lot
of
time
is
sucked
up
by
these
types
of
stops
and
and
there's
been
some
studies
that
can
correlate
right.
I
The
amount
of
pretextual
stops
actually
reduces
the
amount
of
say
violent
crime
that
gets
solved
because
officers
are
focused
on
different
things,
so
I
think
it's
really
interesting.
A
couple
of
things
that
are
unique
to
New
Mexico-
and
this
is
a
Statewide
thing-
is
that
we're
one
of
13
states
that
criminalizes
traffic?
All
of
those
other
states.
Traffic
infractions
are
not
dealt
with
in
the
criminal
context,
they're
all
civil
infractions.
I
But
yet,
even
though
it's
a
civil,
infraction
law
enforcement,
can
you
know
in
some
of
these
places
will
still
use
it
as
an
entryway
to
expand
the
scope
of
the
search.
Here,
though,
it's
dealt
with
as
criminal.
What
that
means
is
is
that
if
you
do
get
a
traffic
infraction,
the
court
can
also
issue
bench
warrants
for
your
arrest.
So
there's
some
sort
of
unique
things
to
our
community.
There's
also
different
things
that
the
city
can
do
versus
what
you
can
do.
I
Statewide
so
I
think
it's
interesting
to
keep
all
of
those
things
in
mind.
As
we
look
at
this
research
and
just
to
highlight,
because
I
know
that
this
is
some
of
these
things
have
been
hot
buttons
here,
but
it's
interesting
to
see
them
be
sort
of
reduced
in
other
communities.
Are
things
like
one
I
mean
a
big
one?
Is
the
the
the
modified
Muffler
I
see
this
sort
of
coming
up
over
and
over
again
in
this
document?
I
So
there's
a
lot
of
communities
across
the
country
that
believe
that
this
has
nothing
to
do
with
Community
safety
and
that
they're
they
would
like
to
make
it
a
lower
or
lowest
priority.
I
Other
things
that
I
used
to
see
a
lot
as
a
public
defender
are
things
like
your
license
plate
light
so
not
even
a
tail
light.
It's
the
light
that
illuminates
your
license
plate.
So
if
that's
out
people
getting
pulled
over
for
that,
that
was
a
frequent
frequent
one.
So
there's
all
of
these
interesting
things
that
are
listed
here
that
are
common
to
our
community,
but
also
common
common
to
these
other
places.
So
I
really
encourage
everybody
to
take
a
look
at
the
research
I.
Think
it's
really
wonderful
and
pretty
comprehensive.
E
And
thanks
Monica
I'd
also
just
note
that
if
we
want
to
and
see
if
any
of
these
jurisdictions
can
come
to
speak,
we
could
try
to
you
know
reach
out
to
have
you
know
more
of
an
expert
panel
than
I
am
because
I'm
definitely
not
any
expert
in
this.
We
just
you
know,
follow
as
in
my
work
from
drug
policy.
E
Alliances
Monica
mentioned
that
the
pre-textual
stops
are
often
to
look
for
Contraband
and
for
illicit
substances
that
then
lead
to
more
engagement
in
the
criminal
legal
system
and
and
potentially
more
harm.
E
So
so
that's
our
our
quick
brief
informal
update
on
on
traffic
violations
and
and
ideas
to
start
thinking
about
reimagining
how
we
do
it
in
Santa,
Fe,
cool.
B
Thank
you,
Emily
and
Monica
I
believe
Marcela
has
a
question.
G
I
do
can
either
of
you
or
both
of
you
speak
to
how
this
relates
to
people's
experiences
of
in
our
community
and
perception
of
racial
profiling,
biospace
policing,
because
anytime,
you
know
when
we
pass
the
biospace
policing
ban.
Of
course,
people
always
say
you
know:
they'll
describe
an
experience,
they
have
and
then
the
police
nine
times
out
of
ten
said
no
well,
you
didn't
get
stopped
because
you
were
black
or
brown.
G
You
got
stopped
because
of
your
talent,
you
know,
and
so
it's
all
of
the
pr
I
really
appreciate
all
the
Practical
things
that
you
talked
about
when
it
comes
to
resources
and
all
of
that,
but
then
also
just
that
that
sense
of
community
and
that
sense
of
being
over
policed.
That's
also
important
in
this.
Can
you
speak
to
how
how
that
all
interplays
with
this.
I
I'm
happy
to
talk
about
it
a
little
bit
and
I.
Don't
know
if
I'll
be
answering
your
question
and
then
Emily,
please,
please
jump
in
what-
and
this
is
based
on
my
experience
as
a
public
defender.
What
I
found
is
that
a
lot
of
stops
sometimes
I
would
call
them
almost
they're
they're
they're
equipment
related,
so
their
poverty
stops.
I
Sometimes
law
enforcement
will
be
looking
for
certain
cars
that
look
a
particular
way
and
those
would
be
the
cars
that
they
would
Target
right
if
you're
driving
a
2021
vehicle
a
nice
truck,
maybe
you
wouldn't
get
stopped
right
and
it's
also
a
little
bit
harder
to
to
stop
you
I
mean
now.
Sort
of
the
law
is
a
little
bit
interesting,
depending
on,
if
you're
weaving
in
the
lane
inside
the
lane,
you
don't
even
leave
the
lane,
but
a
lot
of
stuff
around
you
know.
I
Well
the
cracked
windshield
specifically
or
an
obstructed
view
an
obstructed
view
is
a
really
interesting
one
that
that
you
know
like
having
an
air
freshener
or
having
you
know.
I
grew
up
a
particular
way.
Sometimes
people
would
hang
Like
A
Santo
or
something
over
the
the
the
rear
view
mirror
that's
part
of
my
culture
right
part
of
the
culture
that
a
lot
of
us
share
here.
That
could
be
seen
as
an
obstruction
of
view,
so
there's
different
ways,
there's
different
indicators
that,
unfortunately,
that
you
can
hide
behind.
I
Where
really
maybe
it
is
racial,
profiling
or
other
another
type
of
class
profiling,
but
there's
ways
to
get
around
it
right,
so
obstructive
view.
Even
though
right,
there's,
like
a
cultural
experience,
I
think
think
other
things
like
can
be
disguised
right
like
there
are
certain
types
of
things
like
I,
I,
potentially
would
even
say
things
like
tinted
windows
and
excessive,
excessively
loud
mufflers.
These
are
these
are
things
especially
when
you
come
from
a
community
in
which
you
have
a
car
culture.
I
I
grew
up
in
the
90s
when
there
used
to
be
a
cruise
line,
which
I
lived
very
much
right
and
what
started
to
happen
is
that
started
to
get
broken
up
right
and
as
a
young
person,
I
loved
it?
One
of
the
ways
it
was
broken
up
is
through
tinted
window
things,
nuisance,
laws
and
I.
Think
that
there
can
be
a
Resurgence
of
that
and
it's
sort
of
code
for
looking
at
particular
communities
of
people
and
policing
them
in
a
particular
way,
and
it
can
be
encouraged
by
other
community
members.
I
So
I
would
say
these
are
sort
of
code
for
other
things.
A
lot
of
it
does
have
to
do
with
income.
Things
like
an
expired
registration
and
registration
can
be
expensive
inspections
in
some
places.
We
don't
have
that
there,
but
in
other
places
right.
These
are
all
things
you
have
to
pay
for
same
thing
with
equipment
violations.
You
have
to
pay
to
get
those
things
fixed.
So
it's
interesting
in
which
this
is
actually
a
really
tangible
way
in
which
certain
communities
are
policed
and
others
are
not
based
on
information.
I
You
know
based
on
cultural
stuff,
a
perceived
fear
of
young
people
and
youth,
and
particularly
with
youth
of
color,
and
here
you
know,
yeah
and
also
income
levels
and
I
mean
I'm
happy
to
to
go
into
that
more
and
tell
more
stories,
because
I
was
a
public
defender
for
a
lot
of
years
and
saw
a
lot
of
things
and
also
I
grew
up
in
this
community.
So
I
remember
what
it
was
like
when
I
was
younger
too.
E
I,
don't
have
anything
to
add,
I,
think
Monica
unless
Marcelo
that
didn't
answer
your
question,
but
absolutely
and
I
was
going
to
bring
up
the
tinted
windows
and
the
the
Mufflers,
because
I
think
you
know
those
are
two
things
that
we're
dealing
with
right
now,
and
so
this
is
a
timely
conversation.
I
One
thing
too
that
I'd
like
to
add
about
the
Mufflers
some
of
the
loud
mufflers.
Originally
a
huge
purpose
was
for
them
to
be
on
motorcycles
because
the
louder
your
muffler
was
the
it
was
actually
a
safety
concern,
and
you
know
then
more
people
could
see
you.
So
if
more
people
could
see
you,
then
hopefully
they
wouldn't
hit
you
right.
So
that's
why
you
would
see
Harleys
and
some
other
louder.
You
know
other
types
of
bikes
that
would
have
these
really
large.
You
know
sort
of
louder
modified
Mufflers,
like
I,
said
growing
up.
I
G
This
is
just
a
little
follow-up
I
wonder
if
there's
a
way
that
we
can
structure
for
our
working
group,
just
questions
of
Youth
in
in
our
survey
or
in
the
focus
groups
about
people's
experience
with
these
kinds
of
laws,
how
they
perceive
them,
how
they
are
experiencing
them
in
their
Community,
with
all
of
those
to
really
get
the
richness
of
the
some
of
the
details
that
you
just
shared
with
us,
because
it
seems
like
these
kinds
of
alternative
approaches
are
good
on
so
many
levels.
F
G
Reasons,
but
also
to
just
help,
people
or
or
to
really
get
to
this.
You
know
how
people
are
feeling
about
this
disparate
enforcement
of
these
of
these
laws.
So
thank
you
for
sharing
this.
Both
of
you.
F
A
I
have
a
question
so,
as
you
know,
this
is
a
policy
change
is
being
said,
requested
or
being
proposed
by
one
of
the
counselors,
so
the
muffler
nuisance
ordinance
has
been
on
our
books
since
the
80s
and
since
covid
the
things
have
really
like
amped.
Up
with
you
know,
people
because
there's
less
people
on
the
street
there's
a
lot
of
drag
racing
happening
in
people
who
I'm
not
sure
who
they
are.
A
But
you
know
because
no
one's
really
out
as
much
now,
maybe
not
now,
but
when
kobit
hit
so
there's
a
lot
more
issues
with
drag
racing
and
modified
Mufflers
and
mostly
actually
all
over
the
city.
It's
not
just
downtown
where
there
was
it
kind
of
that
was
the
first
complaint.
We
got
about
tourists
complaining
because
kids
and
young
people
were
drag
racing
and
driving
through
the
downtown
area
at
all
hours
of
the
night,
and
now
it's
actually
just
expanded
through
the
whole
city.
So
all
of
us
counselors
have
gotten
numerous
complaints
about
this.
A
I
mean
it's
very
disruptive
and
actually
there's
a
point
where
there's
some
folks
from
the
that
sit
on
the
mayor's
Commission
on
disability,
saying
that
this
is
actually
now
becoming
a
traumatic
response
for
people
with
PTSD.
That
cannot
handle
the
loud
noises,
because
it's
it's
pretty
excessive
at
this
point,
so
one
of
the
counselors
is
proposing
this
so
right
now
with
the
muffler,
a
citation
for
a
loud
Muffler,
that's
modified
is
25
and
the
increase
will
be
going
up
to
250.
A
between
250
and
500,
depending
on
the
on
the
issue,
and
then
it
also
will
add
restrictions
to
businesses
that
modify
that
they
will
no
longer
be
able
to
modify
Mufflers
on
cars.
So
there's
a
lot
of
people
in
support
of
this
and
we
haven't
heard
anyone
that's
against
it.
A
So
my
question
to
you
is:
is
that
a
stance
that
in
each
of
your
kind
of
respective
roles,
that
you
would
want
to
express
that
from
your
organization's
point
of
view
or
anyone
else's
like
individual
perspective,
because
it
I'm
kind
of
in
this,
like
I,
don't
know
how
Chris
feels?
But
it's
a
hard
situation?
It's
it's
we've.
A
You
know,
in
my
opinion,
increasing
the
amount,
doesn't
necessarily
mean
there'll
be
more
stops,
because
what
we
haven't
seen
yet
is
the
data
that
shows
how
many
stops
have
actually
occurred
because
of
this
increase
of
noise
and
I.
Don't
think
that
the
numbers
have
increased
even
during
coven
in
terms
of
stops,
we
just
don't
have
enough
cops
to
be
able
to
do
that
and
they
haven't
been
stopping.
A
This
is
I,
don't
know
I,
just
I
guess
was
wanting
to
know
if
there
was
any
kind
of
perspectives
on
it
and
if
you
all
feel
strongly
about
it,
because
it's
going
to
be
going
through
committee
and
if
there's
like
an
alternative
to
providing
support
for
people
that
we're
looking
into
maybe
having
an
amendment
that
would
actually
have
a
there'd
be
a
like
a
pot
of
money
that
would
be
able
to
support
people
to
actually
help
them
change
their
car.
A
Back
to
its
initial
model
or
I,
don't
know
how
you
would
describe
that
because
some
of
these
cars
actually
don't
they're,
not
modified
they're,
just
that's
how
they're
manufactured
and
then,
if
you
look
at
Harley's
they're
manufactured
that
way,
low
riders,
you
know
make
a
certain
noise
too,
and
so
I
guess
it's
just
kind
of
subjective
to
me
like
how
would
one
decide
it's
excessive
and
that's
kind
of
my
question
I
guess
as
we
move
this
along,
but
I
don't
know
if
anyone
has
any
like
suggestions,
because
it's
it's
I
don't
know.
I
I
think
the
big
question
is
Public
Safety
and
what
is
Public
Safety?
What
keeps
us
safe,
I'm,
not
sure
if
loud,
if
a
loud
noise
and
the
policing
of
a
loud
noise
I,
certainly
don't
feel
like
that,
keeps
me
safe
to
me.
It
sounds
like
that.
You're
criminal,
we
can't
criminalize
all
different
kinds
of
behavior
and
I
mean
I.
Guess
we
could.
We
can
criminalize
all
sorts
of
things
because
I
know,
for
example,
Santa
Fe
is
a
place
where
people
love
their
dogs,
I
I.
I
You
just
saw
my
dog
right,
my
dog
barks
right.
She
doesn't
bark
all
the
time,
but
she
Barks
A
lot
of
dog
spark.
It's
interesting
to
me
that
people
want
to
focus
on
a
particular
noise
and
not
others.
I
also
sleep
with
my
windows.
Open
I,
live
over
by
Santa
Fe
High.
In
fact,
I
live
by
the
park
that
a
lot
of
people
have
a
hard
time
with,
because
there's
a
lot
of
people
living
in
that
Park.
The
part
that
nobody
I
don't
feel
bothered
necessarily
granted.
I
That's
me,
there's
other
there's
other
people,
my
but
oh
you
know,
I
have
a
pretty
big
family.
Most
of
them
live
here,
I
would
say
people
should
be
more
concerned
about
housing
and
other
issues
than
if
a
vehicle
makes
a
loud
noise
and
to
be
fair,
like
to
your
point,
this
ordinance
has
been
on
the
book
since
the
80s
people
have
had
loud
mufflers
like,
for
example,
right,
but
vehicles
that
they're
just
made
that
way
to
say
that
those
are
now
illegal,
because
you
know
people
want
a
particular
well.
I
I
know
there
is
because
I've
had
to
defend
people
with
some
interesting
things
with
that.
But
the
thing
is
is
that,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
mean
also
you
you
could
live
in
a
in
a
city
or
a
larger
Community,
where
things
are
kind
of
noisy
I
lived
in
a
larger
City
where
there
was
jackhammering
going
on
for
the
entire
time.
I
was
in
law
school
in
San,
Francisco
right
across
the
street,
I
mean
I.
I
Think
it's
an
interesting
thing
to
waste
our
Public
Safety
resources
on
things
like
a
loud
noise,
and
but
some
may
think
that
other
things
that
that
is
important
and
that's
interesting,
but
you
know
that's.
That's
me
and
I
think
it's
a
really
easy
way
to
criminalize
particular
groups
of
people
and
to
create
a
pipeline
that
really
I
don't
think,
serves
anybody.
I
Also
one
last
thing
about
the
fine
they're
gonna
have
to
stay
within
the
Constitutional
limitations.
We
have
it
literally.
The
federal
and
state
constitution
has
an
excessive
fines,
Clause
there's
case
law
up
and
down
about
what
what
the
parameters
of
that
are.
So
they
would
have
to
stay
within
the
confines
of
that.
If
they
want
to
raise
the
fine
which
they
certainly
could
do
it
just
can't
go
outside
of
number
one.
What
a
municipal
court
is
allowed
to
do,
which
is
limited
there
they're
a
court
of
very
limited
jurisdiction.
I
It's
a
petty,
misdemeanor,
I,
believe
and
also
Petty
misdemeanor
in
the
city
code
is
defined
even
slightly
reduced
because
they're
trying
to
avoid
the
idea
of
having
a
jury
trial,
because
you
can't
have
a
degree
trial
necessarily
at
the
city.
So
there's
lots
of
different
things
that
could
limit
what
some
people
are
upset
about.
I
The
both
the
federal
state
constitution
there's
an
excessive
fines.
Clause
part.
You
know
constitutional
law
within
that,
so
you
have
different
right.
There's
traffic
there's
a
traffic
citation
traffic,
misdemeanors
and
then
Petty
misdemeanors
goes
up,
but
Municipal
Court
doesn't
have
jurisdiction
over
bigger
things.
So
because
the
jurisdiction
Municipal
Court
is
what
it
is,
they
can't
go
outside
of
that
sentencing
structure,
so
they'll
have
to
stay
within
the
sentencing
structure.
I
B
G
Yeah
I
just
thank
you
Monica
for
helping
us
through
this.
We
I
really
appreciate
your
feedback.
I
just
want
to
say
that
this
is
why
I
think
having
a
really
strong,
robust,
Community
engagement
process
on
this
task
force
is
so
important
and
we're
about
to
go
into
it.
We
have
a
good
timeline
for
when
that's
the
first
initial
survey
instrument
and
the
focus
groups,
but
I
want
to
remind
the
task
force.
That's
not
on
our
committee
on
our
working
group
that
this
really
is
this
process.
For
us.
G
We
are
really
committed
to
making
this
process
available,
really
not
even
just
available
to
driven
by
community
members,
who
aren't
always
heard,
who
aren't
the
ones
that
are
emailing
you
with
their
complaints
that
are
valid,
for
you
know
that
are
really
but
I
mean
valid
complaints
for
Community
right
and
but
that
really
don't
have
often
the
same
avenues
that
the
rest
of
us
have
to.
Let
our
feelings
our
experiences
with
law
enforcement.
G
With
a
lot
of
these,
you
know
these
laws
that
will
either
find
us
or
criminalize
us,
and
so
that's
really
what
we
are
meant
to
get
at
so
I.
You
know
we're
gonna,
provide
to
the
whole
task
force
our
first
draft
instrument
for
the
18th,
so
please
be
aware
of
that,
and-
and
this
is
what
we're
trying
to
get
at
is
how
are
all
of
the
different
ways
that
we
interact
with
our
government
in
this
way
and
I
think
that
this
will
help
create
a
road
map
for
all
of
these
little
decisions.
G
I
hope
that
this
task
force
can
help
provide
a
roadmap
for
all
of
these
little
decisions
that
get
made
in
the
future
to
really
measure
them
against
the
people
who
live
and
work
and
who
are
often
who
are
often
burying
the
brunt
of
over
criminalization
and
over
policing.
So
so
anyway.
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
please,
please
be
a
part
of
this
process.
The
community
engagement
process,
as
we
proceed
with
UNM,
because
this
is
precisely
what
this
is
meant
to
do.
I
Say
one
last
thing,
which
is
mentioned
very
briefly
in
the
notes,
is
that
for
some
people
too
and
I
just
want
to
have
a
cautionary
Tale,
which
is
I,
feel
like
brother
Joe?
Does
anybody
who
went
to
St
Mike's
am
I
am
I
the
only
one
that
okay
yeah
yeah?
Oh
yeah,
we
went
to
St
Mike's,
but
you
guys
didn't
have
brother
Joe
did.
I
H
He
is
the
most
senior
brother
for
the
Santa
Fe
for
the
New
Orleans
San
Francisco
district
and
he's
their
liaison
to
the
Vatican.
I
Brother
Joe
is
one
of
the
most
wonderful
people
that
anybody
could
ever
know
and
I.
Think
about
him
a
lot
when
I
speak,
because
he
sorry
that
I'm
going
off
on
a
tangent
anyways.
He
had
a
felt
board
and
he
would
say
things
like
lo
and
behold
and
then
he
would
say
you
know,
tell
us
some
story
right
and
so
I
just
thought
about
him
as
I
was
talking
and
I
love.
So
much
do
you
know
that
you
know
where
he
is
wonderful,
beautiful,
human
being
I
digress.
I
However,
it's
touched
on
in
here
one
of
the
things
that
people
will
move
to
as
an
alternative
to
police.
Engaging
in
in
traffic
is
the
idea
of
speed,
speed
in
red
light
cameras
and
I
want
to
just
tell
a
quick
little
cautionary
tale
about
them,
which
is
in
a
perfect
world.
These
potentially
could
be
useful.
I
Unfortunately,
they've
proven
to
be
pretty
difficult
to
implement
in
an
equitable
way
and
I'll
give
one
example,
because
I
know
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
time,
which
is
there's,
there's,
usually
I,
believe
there's
four
or
five
countries.
I
Companies
nationally
that
actually
in
have
these
cameras
and
that
you
that
a
city
or
a
jurisdiction
has
to
contract
with,
and
one
of
the
and
all
of
these
companies
will
actually
they
will
they
they
contract
for
certain
things,
because
what
they're
trying
to
do
is
cast
a
very
wide
net
and
one
of
those
net
widening
things
is
that
they
will
actually
put
in
the
contract
that
the
only
way
that
they'll
go
into
a
particular
Community
is
if
a
community
reduces
the
yellow
light
time,
because
they
want
to
make
it
easier
to
catch
more
people
that
are
running
red
lights,
and
this
is
because
it
is
a
revenue.
I
Generator
they'll
also
create
quotas
for
how
much
how
many
tickets
have
to
have
to
occur
in
order
for
them
to
stay
in
that
particular
community,
and
rather
than
it
being
on
alternative
policing
to
policing,
because
police
will
still
go
out
and
still
do.
Patrol
still
engage
in
pretextual
stops
and
also
just
engage
in
regular
traffic
enforcement.
You'll
also
have
this
entire
other
subset
of
technology.
That
is
that
really
isn't
curbing
Behavior,
there's
a
variety
of
other
things
that
you
can
do
to
to
modify
driving
behavior
to
make
communities
safe.
These.
I
These
are
things
that
include
putting
trees
in
medians
or
other
types
of
foliage
increasing
bike
Lanes
across
the
city,
even
having
those
blinking
signs
that
tell
you
how
fast
you're
going
and
that
you
need
to
slow
down.
These
are
things
that
have
been
proven
to
actually
reduce
Behavior,
whereas
some
of
these
other
other
the
cameras
don't
have
the
same.
The
the
same
track
record
I
could
talk
about
this.
I
A
lot
more
but
I
know
we're
limited
on
time,
but
I
just
want
to
throw
that
out
there
that
it's
a
really
interesting
area
for
research
and
Santa
fe's
been
pretty
successful.
It's
stopping
this
from
happening
because
there's
all
sorts
of
privacy
concerns
as
well,
but
these
are
things
that
are
more
and
more
being
pushed
and
but
but
it's
important
to
be
critical
about
the
process
and
also
where
they're
put
because
unfortunately,
in
some
places
they
were
put
in
particular
communities
and
not
others.
I
So
there's
so
many
different
concerns
with
these
cameras.
So
I
don't
necessarily
want
to
encourage
people
to
say
well.
Why
do
we
do
that?
Because
then
there's
no
bias
and
there's
no
person
with
with
a
weapon,
but
there's
other
ways
that
this
can
track
people
in
an
interesting
and
very
sad
cycle,
and
with
that
I
will
stop
talking.
B
Thank
you
for
that
additional
context.
Monica
is
incredibly
helpful.
Very
very
helpful.
Okay,
quick
time
check
two
minutes
to
the
top
of
the
hour
7
P.M.
B
If
there
aren't
any
additional
comments
or
questions,
would
you
all
like
to
break
out
into
your
working
groups
and
then
I
will
be
joining
you
all
to
you
know,
make
sure
I'm
in
the
loop
of
of
your
progress
and
work.
How
does
that
sound
great
Julie?
Let
me
see,
maybe
I
can
do
it.
J
J
J
With
I'm
with
Valeria,
the
councilwoman
from
District
One
Renee,.
J
J
J
J
J
D
J
I'm
gonna
try
to
get
into
a
training
class
at
the
Academy
for.
A
Oh
you're,
on
mute
now,
Bruce
you
put
yourself
on
mute,
hey.
Can
we
stop
the
recording.