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A
A
B
About
that
cami
no
worries
no
worries,
so
I
normally
like
to
start
presentations
with
with
this
slide.
You
know
we're
here,
because
communities
are
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
deal
with
a
lack
of
trust
that
exists
between
pub,
the
public
and
law
enforcement,
and
it's
a
really
important
task.
B
B
So
broadly
civilian
oversight
can
be
defined
as
the
independent,
external
and
or
ongoing
review
of
law
enforcement
agency
and
its
operations
by
individuals
who
are
outside
of
the
sworn
law
enforcement
agency
that
they
oversee
civilian
oversight
may
entail,
but
is
not
limited
to
the
independent
investigation
of
complaints,
alleging
misconduct,
auditing
or
monitoring
various
aspects
of
the
overseeing
law
enforcement
agency.
B
That
can
include
policies,
procedures,
supervision,
training,
but
it
can
also
look
at
analyzing
patterns
or
trends
and
activity,
issuing
public
reports,
issuing
recommendations
on
discipline,
training
policies
and
procedures
and
taken
all
together.
These
functions
promote
greater
law
enforcement,
accountability,
increased
transparency
and
positive
organizational
change.
B
B
I
think
that
I
just
want
to
highlight
that
there
are
some
people,
some
agencies
across
the
united
states,
that
do
include
retired
law
enforcement,
whether
that's
in
staff
some
on
boards
and
commissions,
but
we
do
like
to
make
the
distinction
that
civilian
oversight
of
law
enforcement
is
not
oversight.
That's
done
by
sworn
law
enforcement.
B
So
as
we
were
headed
into
2020,
we
had
about
180
190
civilian
oversight
mechanisms
throughout
the
united
states.
These
are
mechanisms
that
are
enabled
through
legislation.
So
it's
not
about
we're
not
talking
about
advisory
boards,
because
there
are
lots
of
those
throughout
the
united
states
as
well,
but
about
180,
190
oversight
entities
enabled
through
legislation.
B
B
So
there
has
been
this
explosion
of
civilian
oversight,
interest
and
work
towards
implementing
it
in
a
way
that-
and
I
apologize
for
the
sun
that
has
just
decided
to
beam
from
behind
me.
So
I'm
sorry
about
that,
but
it
we
really
in
the
next
couple
of
years.
We
expect
to
be
at
a
point
double
where
we
were
in
2020.,
but
when
we're
talking
about
all
of
these
civilian
oversight
agencies,
there
are
some
things
that
are
really
important
to
consider.
B
No
two
look
exactly
alike
they're,
very
much
developed
with
that
specific
community
in
mind,
not
only
the
needs
of
the
community,
but
also
what
the
elected
officials
pass
in
the
legislation.
What
the
community
is
willing
to
bear
as
far
as
authorities
given
to
an
oversight
commission,
so
you
can
take
two
entities
that
are
seemingly
very
similar
and
once
you
drill
down
you'll
find
little
nuances
in
there,
where
they
are
a
little
bit
different
when
operating
it
used
to
be
also
that
most
large
cities
were
the
ones
where
oversight
was
concentrated.
B
B
Also
often,
particularly
when
oversight
first
started
in
the
united
states
and
really
up
until
just
recently,
most
oversight
entities
were
formed
in
reaction
to
a
very
specific
incident.
We
often
refer
to
it
as
the
origin
story.
You
know
here
in
indianapolis,
it's
a
man
by
the
name
of
michael
taylor.
B
You
know
every
city
oscar
grant
is
the
bart
out
in
oakland
the
bart
transportation
systems,
origin
story,
so,
but
what
we're
seeing
more
and
more
is
that
oversight
entities
are
be
being
formed
in
a
more
proactive
manner.
B
B
So
why
oversight?
So
it
builds
bridges
between
law
enforcement
and
the
public
through
community
engagement
components,
all
oversight
mechanisms
have
an
amazing
community
output
and
involve
involvement,
components
which
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
later.
When
we
get
into
the
principles
of
civilian
oversight.
B
B
You
had
to
wait
until
someone
came
in
to
make
a
complaint
in
order
for
the
oversight
entity
to
kick
into
action,
reviewing
policies
in
the
wake
of
one
or
more
complaints,
very
much
an
emphasis
on
legalistic
rules,
recommending
sanctions
for
individual
officers
and
really
relied
only
on
a
a
a
form
of
deterrence.
B
But
what
we're
seeing
now
is
that
it's
really
moved
more
in
a
proactive
element,
even
those
cities
where
it
has
begun
with
some
kind
of
high
profile
incident.
Now
the
react
development
will
always
be
there
of
oversight
because
it
had.
You
have
to
have
a
mechanism
that
will
address
complaints
as
they
come
in
and
and
deterrence
if
it
stops
misconduct
that
isn't
a
horrible
thing.
But
what
we're
seeing
is
pro
our
proactive
elements
that
are
coming
into
oversight
that
really
help
move
reform
along
and
not
necessarily
deal
with
individual
issues
that
arise.
B
So
it's
looking
at
problems
proactively.
Looking
at
the
causes
of
the
problems,
not
necessarily
just
the
problems
themselves,
it
really
has
a
focus
on
organizational
change.
It
looks
at
prevention
and
reduction
of
misconduct,
and
I
will
say
one
of
the
things
that
we've
seen
in
the
last
20
years
of
oversight
is
much
more
of
an
emphasis
on
building
partnerships
with
law
enforcement
rather
than
having
an
us
versus
them
mentality.
B
B
B
B
B
The
other
part
of
this
another
of
the
goals
is
to
make
sure
that
it
is
a
fair
process
that
investigations
are
fair
and
thorough
and
that
the
reason
the
findings
are
reasonable
and
discipline
is
appropriate.
B
B
It
is
very
uncommon
for
jurisdictions
to
have
the
ability
to
impose
discipline,
although
I
will
say
I've
seen
more
in
the
last
year,
obtain
that
authority
than
I
had
in
the
previous
20
combined,
but
but
even
if
you
don't
have
that
authority,
the
the
ability
to
go
in
and
make
sure
do,
audits
and
make
sure
that
discipline
is
being
admitted
ministered
fairly
across
the
board,
not
only
benefits
the
community,
but
it
also
benefits
law
enforcement,
because
we
do
hear
from
a
lot
of
law
enforcement
that
that
is
a
problem.
B
B
C
B
B
Reduce
legal
liabilities,
the
amount
of
there
are
some
academics
who
have
done
some
work
on
looking
at
oversight
and
its
connection
to
reducing
the
payouts
for
misconduct.
That
cities
make
also
improving
the
public's
understanding
of
police
policy
and
training.
You
know
in
its
community
outreach
work.
Oversight
also
has
this
ability
as
to
be
an
education
component
for
the
community
to
bring
information
about
why
what
kind
of
training
and
policies
are
in
place,
because
most
most
of
us,
not
necessarily
in
this,
this
arena,
but
community
as
a
whole.
B
B
So
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
all
of
this,
the
history
of
civilian
oversight.
I
do
I
do
love
these
two
slides.
I
won't.
I
won't
lie
to
you,
but
I
do
think
it's
really
important
to
just
know
a
little
bit
about
the
history
of
civilian
oversight
and
the
things
that
have
gone
on
in
such
a
long
period
of
time
and
the
slow
growth
of
the
of
of
it
as
a
whole.
B
B
B
Unfortunately,
I'm
not
a
whole
lot
of
people,
listen
to
the
recommendations
and
nothing
really
happened
for
a
while.
But
we
start
to
see
in
1948
oversight
boards
formed
in
washington
dc.
Then
new
york
city,
both
of
those
were
ju
and
the
one
in
philadelphia
in
1958.
B
Actually,
all
three
of
those
were
just
ways:
they
were
really
not
effective,
they
didn't
have
a
whole
lot
of
authority,
and
these,
in
most
cases
this
is
was
just
the
first
wave
philadelphia,
I
think,
is
on
its
fourth
iteration
of
civilian
oversight
right
now,
looking
to
improve
all
the
time,
but
this
is
where
they
got
their
start.
B
But
in
1969
we
see
the
formation
of
the
office
of
citizen
complaints
in
kansas
city
established
and
the
major
importance
there
is
that
it
is
still
in
existence
in
its
original
form.
It's
the
longest
running
continuously
running
oversight
entity
in
the
country
shortly
thereafter
was
formed
the
detroit
board
of
police
commissioners,
which
is
also
continued
to
run
with
some
enhancements
along
the
way,
but
but
also
has
been
running
since
the
early
70s
in
1973.
B
We
have
the
police
review
committee
in
berkeley,
and
that
was
really
important
because
it
was
it
was
established,
food
for
voter
referendum
and
they
also
had
independent
investigatory
powers,
which
was
huge.
Both
of
those
aspects
were
huge
at
the
time
by
1980
we
had
a
whopping
13
oversight
entities
in
the
country,
but
by
2000
we
were
up
to
a
hundred
and
between
2000
and
2020.
We
started
to
see
different
types
of
models
of
oversight
really
starting
to
come
forward.
B
More
and
more
investigatory
focus
models
which
we'll
talk
about
all
of
those
in
just
a
moment.
More
that
we're
focused
on
auditing
and
monitoring
and
and
reporting
out
to
the
community
get
a
lot
of
transparency.
B
It
takes
a
collaborative
and
transparent
process
where
open
discussion
be
can
be
had
among
all
affected
stakeholders.
B
It
really
no
matter
what
stakeholder
group
we're
talking
about,
whether
it's
different
aspects
of
the
members
of
the
community
and
community
groups,
different
ethnic
groups,
different
racial
groups.
It
also
is
stakeholders
such
as
elected
officials
and,
let's
not
forget,
law
enforcement
as
well.
B
B
And
one
of
the
reasons
that
is
is
because,
by
including
everyone
in
the
process
we're
talking
about
building
legitimacy
for
an
or
for
an
oversight
entity
before
it's
even
built
or
even
opens
its
door
on
the
first
day
or
takes
its
first
complaint
and
so
really
when
we're
talking
about
legitimacy,
I
always
gear
towards
the
discussion
of
procedural
justice,
because
when
we're
building
legitimacy,
it's
about
whether
police,
talking
about
policing
and
whether
the
police
are
exercising
their
authority
in
fair
ways
and
so
and
how
can
oversight
work
to
make
sure
that
people
feel
that
the
process
is
fair
and
just
do
they
have
a
voice
in
the
process?
B
Do
they
feel
like
decisions
are
unbiased?
Are
they
being
treated
with
respect
and
do
they
trust
the
decision
makers?
Do
they
feel
that
they
are
have
trustworthy
motives
about
those
that
are
most
impacted
by
their
decision?.
B
And
so,
naturally,
when
we
go
from
legitimacy,
we
start
always.
I
always
end
up
in
a
conversation
about
authority
and
how
authority
builds
legitimacy,
and
so
there's
really
two
types
of
authority,
particularly
when
we're
talking
about
civilian
oversight,
there
is
its
statutory
authority
really.
What
is
it
able
to
do
in
what
has
it
been
deemed
its
authorities
have
been
deemed
through
law,
and
and
how
does
it
use
that
authority?
Is
it
using
it
in
a
lawful
manner?
B
But
what
ends
up
mattering
more
in
the
long
run
is
the
legitimacy-based
authority,
which
is
really
about
community
expectations
and
values.
And
I
I
would
love
to
talk
to
you
later
all
about
the
the
word
expectations,
because
it
is
a
really
big
part
of
the
process
of
implementing
of
building
and
then
implementing
oversight.
B
So
when
we're
talking
about
legitimacy
based
authority,
we're
really
focusing
on
many
of
the
things
that
we've
talked
about
already
like
a
proactive
approach,
making
sure
there's
lots
of
engagement
and
outreach
with
the
community
making
sure
that
it
is
willing
compliance
rather
than
something
that
is
imposed
on
people
and
remembering
that
the
quality
of
the
process
is
often
more
important
than
the
outcome
not
always.
But
to
many.
Knowing
that
the
process
is
fair
and
just
tends
to
make
a
very
diff
big
difference
in
how
they
feel
about
the
outcome.
B
Community
meetings
are
very
important
for
the
review
focus
models,
and
it's
not
just
about
having
a
public
meeting
where
you
let
people
come
in,
it's
also
about
getting
out
into
the
community
and
making
sure
you're
meeting
them
where
they
are.
B
It's
not
just
about
talking
to
them.
It's
also
about
listening
and
figuring
out
what
the
pro,
what
are
the
problems
they
see
in
their
community
and
also
being
a
conduit
for
that
information
back
to
law
enforcement?
B
It's
also
about
you
know.
Having
someone
outside
of
the
sworn
chain
of
law
enforcement
review
investigations
can
increase
in
public
trust
in
the
process
and
an
individual
or
board
of
commission
authorized
to
review
the
completed
internal.
Investing
can
sometimes
allow
to
publicly
agree
or
disagree
with
the
decision
put
those
in
reports
and
and
often
when
they
disagree,
be
able
to
go
back
to
the
chief
with
their
disagreement
and
have
that
conversation
with
a
response.
That,
then,
also
is
public.
B
The
range
of
authority
for
a
review
focused
model
traditionally
has
been
it
I'll
I'll.
Just
say
that,
however,
we
are
seeing
review,
focused
models
that
are
tending
to
do
more
now
with
data
collection,
sometimes
policy
analysis,
but
really,
if
we're
talking
about
it
in
its
most
traditional
sense.
It's
about
reviewing
receiving
complaints,
forwarding
them
to
a
law
enforcement
agency.
B
B
They
also
often
can
hear
complaints
or
I'm
sorry,
hear
appeals
from
complainants
or
subject
officers,
hold
public
forums
and
also
just
also
making
very
sure
that
all
of
their
meetings
are
held
with
applicable
state
laws
and
union
contracts
in
mind.
B
B
It's
often
and-
and
I
think
this
is
fairly
obvious-
is
that
it
reduces
bias
in
the
investigations,
particularly
the
perception
of
bias
that
public
may
have
by
having
law
enforcement.
Investigate
law
enforcement
investigations
are
conducted
by
oversight
agencies.
B
The
internal
head
of
internal
affairs
is
actually
a
civilian
and
half
of
the
office
or
around
half.
I
don't
know
exactly
the
split
but
about
half
of
the
office.
It
are
civilians,
but
they
also
have
officers
who
are
seconded
to
the
the
office
of
police
accountability
to
help
with
investigations,
and
one
of
the
benefits
of
that
is
that
they
tend
to
not
have
any
problems
with
access
to
information.
B
B
Do
the
investigations
and
I
think,
if
we're
trying
to
build
legitimacy,
having
someone
who
is
a
staff
member
who's
paid
to
do
a
specific
job
who
has
all
of
the
the
qualifications
necessary
to
do
it?
Well
is
really
important
it
often
when
we
have
these
as
well.
It
has
a
very
specific
jurisdiction
over
certain
types
of
allegations
when
you're
forming
a
civilian
oversight
entity,
you
have
to
think
about.
Do
they
have
jurisdiction
over
just
external
complaints
of
misconduct,
or
they
also
have
internal
jurisdiction
over
complaints.
B
So
the
last
of
the
three
that
I
was
going
to
talk
about
today
is
the
auditor
monitor
model,
and
so
this
is
seen
of
the
three
as
the
most
proactive
really
came
about
in
the
mid
2000s
as
a
result
of
political
compromise
between
community
activists
and
law
enforcement
agencies.
But
what
has
happened
is
that
compromise
has
produced
something
that
often
is
seen
as
a
way
to
move
reform
efforts
forward.
B
Transparent
and
available
to
the
public
is
often
one
of
their
key
priorities
and
what
we
see
is
they
often
promote
long-term
systemic
change
in
police
departments.
I
think
it's
good
to
note
that
they
tend
to
be
less
expensive
than
full
investigative
agencies.
B
They
tend
to
be
more
expensive
than
review,
focused
agency
models,
and
I
really
tell
you
that
so
you
can
kind
of
also
because
city
budgets,
county
budgets,
are
always
a
factor
whether
anyone
wants
them
to
be
or
not
tend
to
be
a
factor
when
oversight
is
formed.
When
we
start
talking
about
staffing,
so
I
do
like
to
be
up
front
to
talk
about
that
aspect
as
well.
B
So
an
auditor
actually
in
tucson
did
a
audit
of
of
complaints
of
chokeholds
and,
as
she
was
doing,
the
audit,
she
realized
that
the
same
chokehold
was
complaint
was
coming
up
over
and
over
again
well
in
tucson,
the
chokehold
has
been
banned
for
some
time
within
the
tucson
police
department,
and
so
it
was
troubling
that
all
of
a
sudden
there
was
this
flurry
of
activity
and
misconduct.
Complaints
surrounding
the
use
of
the
chokehold
when
she
looked
further
into
the
complaint.
B
She
noticed
because
she
was
doing
the
audit
that
the
badge
numbers
were
in
close
succession,
which
meant
they
were
likely
from
the
same
recruit
class.
A
little
more
digging
found
out
that
that
recruit
class
had
been
taught
by
someone
from
a
different
police
department
where
chokeholds
were
allowed,
so
they
were
able
to
know
what
the
problem
was:
go
back
in
and
retrain
that
recruit
class
and
keep
them
from
re
the
misconduct
from
recurring.
B
They're
off
authorized
often
to
audit
monitor
they
also
sometimes
can
go
in
and
investigate
and
review
a
wide
range
of
topics.
Sometimes
it
is
a
specific
topic
like,
for
instance,
use
of
force
reporting,
or
sometimes
it's
a
random
audit
of
complete
complaint
investigations.
B
They
often
can
involve
themselves
in
ongoing
investigations
that
are
being
done
internally
by
the
police
department
by
observing
interviews
asking
that
certain
questions
be
posed
to
witnesses.
B
Next,
we
have
the
hybrid
model,
so
what
we've
seen
more
and
more
are
people
taking
bits
and
pieces
from
the
different
focused
models
and
putting
them
together
to
make
something
that
they
feel
is
better
for
their
community.
So
I
use
the
the
example
of
denver.
Often
they
have
a
police
monitor,
but
they
also
have
a
very,
very
involved
civilian
review
board,
who
actually
also
helps
to
oversee
the
monitor.
B
So
it's
not
just
about
checks
and
balances
with
the
police
department.
It's
also
within
the
oversight
entity
as
well,
and
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
there
are
hybrid
agencies
and
hybrid
systems,
so
hybrid
agencies
are
something
like
denver
where
you
see
within
one
agency,
two
different
models
here
we
see
the
monitor
and
the
review
model,
but
there
are
also
hybrid
systems
where
you
see
cities
that
have
more
than
one
oversight
mechanism
operating
in
the
same
city.
A
great
example
of
this
is
seattle.
I'll
use
their
example
again,
in
addition
to
the
oversight,
police.
B
Agency,
I'm
sorry
office
of
police
accountability,
they,
which
is
their
investigative
model.
They
also
have
a
community
commission
which
is
their
review
model
and
also
a
huge
community
engagement
piece
and
then
over
all
of
that,
or
and
also
with
they
have
the
inspector
general's
office,
so
they
all
provide
different
functions.
They
also,
in
addition
to
providing
oversight
of
the
police.
They
also
provide
oversight
of
each
other.
B
B
In
some
cases
they
share
admins
with
other
city
agencies.
If
you
have,
you
know
sometimes
smaller
jurisdictions.
If
we're
talking
about
investigative
models,
they
contract
their
investigators
out,
so
that
they
don't
necessarily
have
to
have
an
investigator
as
an
full-time
employee,
but
definitely
professional
staff
are
need
to
be
thought
of
to
help
support
the
system
and
then
also
help
to
support
the
volunteer
members.
If
you
have
a
civilian
oversight
board.
B
So,
just
I'm
checking
my
time
here,
so
we
recently
put
out
a
report
on
the
state
of
civilian
oversight
and
effective
or
state
of
the
field
and
effective
practices
in
civilian
oversight
that
actually
the
full
report
and
the
executive
summary
can
be
found
on
our
website
under
resources
and
recent
reports.
B
So
I
won't
go
too
in
depth
with
any
of
this,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
there's
time
for
questions,
but
the
13
principles
of
civilian
oversight
really
focus
on
what
what
you
need
to
be
considering
as
you're
building
civilian
oversight,
whether
that's
independence,
public
reporting
and
transparency,
procedural
justice,
adequate
funding
and
resources.
B
B
It
it
really.
Our
political
independence
is
also
an
important
one.
When
you
have
something
that
is
supported
by
a
city,
it
is
hard
to
be
completely
independent,
but
making
sure
that
it
is
as
independent
as
possible
is
really
important
to,
particularly
with
the
work
to
build
its
legitimacy
and
the
process.
B
B
So
please
know
that
there
is
the
little
asterisk
here
that
talks
about
as
allowed
by
law,
but
as
much
as
you
can
have
access
to
the
better
you'll
be
able
to
do
the
work
of
civilian
oversight
and
then
because
you
have
the
information
to
make
informed
decisions
and
and
work
through
informed
processes,
you're
going
to
do
the
work
better
and
it's
going
to
have
a
better
outcome,
and
I
should
note,
although
it
may
not
pertain
to
what
you're
doing
there
access
it's
not
also
access
just
to
record,
it
can
also
be
access
to
facilities.
B
Public
reporting
and
transparency-
I
can't
emphasize
how
important
this
piece
is.
This
is
the
oversight
entity's
connection
with
the
broader
community.
It's
where
information
goes
out
and
people
can
see
what's
being
done.
They
can
also
see
what's
happening,
it's
important
to
note
that
they
shouldn't
be
censored
or
modified
by
law
enforcement
or
political
entities.
B
They
need
to
be
written
in
a
very
accessible
manner
and
translated
into
as
many
languages
as
necessary
to
reach
as
many
people
in
the
community
as
possible.
We
suggest
that
at
least
one
annual
report
is
done
a
year.
B
However,
more
frequent
reports,
particularly
if
there's
a
special
audit
or
special
study
that
is
done
or
a
high
profile
incident
or
an
incident
of
great
community
concern.
Additional
reports
should
be
thought
of
as
necessary
so
that
you
can
get
as
much
information
out
to
the
public
as
possible.
B
Full
cooperation-
there's
not
a
whole
lot.
I
can
say
about
this
other
than
it's
really
important:
to
be
able
to
do
the
job,
having
the
cooperation
of
law
enforcement
having
the
cooperation
of
any
entity
who
allows
you
to
get
the
information
you
need
to
do
the
job.
B
B
It
is
normally
the
complete
opposite.
There
are
a
couple
out
there
where
they
have
come
into
large
funding
and
I'll.
Let
you
all
know
how
that
goes,
because
I
I
think
they're
so
used
to
being
underfunded.
I'm
not
sure
they
know.
Yet
what
to
do
with
all
of
the
money,
but
making
sure
that
there
is
enough
funding
and
enough
staff
to
actually
to
carry
out.
The
mission
that
has
been
given
to
them
is
really
important.
You
don't
want
to
set
an
agency
up
to
fail
because
of
a
lack
of
funding
and
staffing.
B
And
then
the
next
two
are
really
about
the
output
and
the
input
and
we've
talked
about
community
outreach.
A
lot
throughout
this
and
I'll
just
say
that
it
is
really
important
to
have
the
output
put
piece
where
you're
building
awareness,
you're,
educating,
you're,
working
on
building
coalitions,
improving
relationships,
recruiting
volunteers,
but
even
more
important
important
is
to
make
sure
there's
the
input
from
the
community
making
sure
that
they
feel
like
they
have
a
voice
in
the
process
as
well,
and
that
their
voice
didn't
stop
being
heard.
B
Just
really
quickly,
I
I
won't
go
in
depth
about
this,
but
you
know
a
lot
of
people
always
ask
me:
what
are
the
best
practices
that
we
can
do
so
there's
a
lot
of
problems
that
we're
working
to
resolve
in
the
field
of
civilian
oversight,
and
that
is
a
lot
of
that
is
surrounded
by
evidence-based
practices.
B
There
has
until
recently
there
has
not
been
a
lot
of
research
on
oversight,
and
one
of
the
reasons
is
because
it
has
been
formed
for
the
most
part
in
a
decentralized
manner,
as
I
mentioned
before.
No
two
look
alike.
So
it's
and
there's
no
standard
of
data
collection,
so
trying
to
figure
out
what's
working
best
is
has
proven
very
difficult.
B
B
Not
only
you
know,
through
academic
or
literature
reviews,
but
also
through
talking
to
people
who
are
doing
the
work
in
different
areas,
with
different
mechanisms
talking
to
them
about
what
is
working
in
their
community
and
by
doing
that,
we've
come
up
with
an
effective
practices
framework
that
really
seems
to
provide
us.
The
type
of
information
that
we
need,
as
people
are
building
mechanisms
and
if
you're
interested
I
I
will
just
leave
it
there
like
that
for
tonight,
but
if
you're
interested
in
knowing
about
effective
practices.
B
So
that
is
a
great
resource
when
looking
at
what
seems
to
be
working
throughout
the
country
for
oversight
and
we'll
continue
working
with
those
that
are
funding
research
to
try
and
get
more
information,
because
really
there
is
not
a
community
that
I've
talked
to
that
hasn't
said.
So,
where
is
the
evidence
that
this
works?
B
B
So
as
you're
going
through
and
doing
this
work,
please
don't
hesitate
to
reach
out.
You
know
if
you
have
a
question
about,
for
instance,
mediation,
we
love
to
help
facilitate
networking
between
communities
looking
at
mediation
and
those
cities
who
have
already
implemented
it
so
that
you
can
learn
from
what
they're
doing
how
they
wish
they
could
have
done
it
different
and
what's
really
working
for
them.
B
So
things
like
that.
Just
know
that
my
conversation
with
you
here
doesn't
have
to
end
this
evening,
and
I
can
also
help
to
bring
others
into
it
when
needed.
A
Excellent,
thank
you
kemi
for
your
detailed
presentation
and
there's
a
lot
of
information
that
our
working
group
had
have
been
just
wanting
to
consider,
and
just
so
you
know
our
task
force.
We
have
different
working
groups,
we
have
an
alternative
response
model
group.
We
have
community
engagement
and
then
the
policies
and
practices
and
annie
rasquin
was
the
one
that
had
reached
out
to.
A
Unfortunately
she
had
a
work
commitment
tonight,
so
she
couldn't
join
us
and
she
was
really
wanting
to
be
here
and
I
think
it
was
really
just
trying
to
understand
what
what
are
what's
out
there
and
what's
working.
There's
always.
You
know
also
the
theory
that
civilian
oversight
boards
aren't
necessarily
effective
for
various
reasons,
and
so
I
wanted
to
just
we
wanted
to
kind
of
just
hear
from
you
just
an
overview
of
that
and
and
actually
in
santa
fe
there
used
to
be
an
oversight
board.
A
I
want
to
say
in
2007,
actually
maybe
I'm
not
getting
it
right,
you
know
or
bruce.
Do
you
remember
the
date
that
that
started?
I'm
sorry,
but
we
don't
know
what
happened
to
it
or
why
it
descended.
When
was
it,
you
know.
E
So
the
the
city
adapt
adapted
what
looks
on
its
surface
to
be
a
pretty
good
start
for
an
ordinance
in
1997
bruce
forwarded
that
that
around
so
1997
by
ordinance,
the
city
formed
what
is
called
I'm
getting
back
up
to
the
top
page
citizens
police
incident
review
board
and
we're
having
trouble
tracking
down
when
it
stopped
meeting.
E
I
was
city
attorney
starting
in
2010
and
don't
recall
for
four
years
and
don't
recall
any
meetings
of
of
this
committee
or
or
this
incident
review
board,
so
it
stopped
meeting
in
the
2000s
bruce.
Can
you
fill
in
some
blanks.
D
I
don't
remember
the
exact
date,
but
if
you
do
research
on
this
ordinance,
there
was
a
there
was
a
movement
to
abolish
it.
I
don't
know
like
ten
years
after
it
was
created.
I
I
really
don't
know
the
date
or
so
I
apologize
for
that.
But
there
was
a
move
to
abolish
this
and
it
was
squashed
because
you
know
it
was
like
okay.
Why
do
we
want
to
you
know?
And
why
do
we
want
to
eliminate
this
ordinance
and
they
didn't
so?
A
I
guess
just
knowing
that
we
wanted
to
kind
of
see
what's
out
there
now,
especially
with
what's
been
happening
in
the
country
and
changes
and
making
you
know
other
community
groups
wanting
to
have
more
say
in
oversight.
So
I'm
I'm
going
to
open
it
up
to
the
floor
for
our
members
to
see.
If
you
have
any
specific
questions
about
the
presentation
and
hopefully
valeria
will
help
us
see
hands.
If
I
mean
we
see
everybody
right
now,
but
if.
F
G
Yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you
renee.
So
I
believe
bruce.
You
had
a
question
unless
this
discussion
answered
it,
I
think
gino
I
saw
your
hand
up
so
bruce
and
then
gina.
D
Okay,
real
quickly,
just
to
give
give
you
my
background,
I
was
in
law
enforcement
and
31
in
the
chicago
area,
so
I
was
pretty
close
to
you.
I
actually
traveled
down
to
minneapolis
to
investigate
a
container
theft
because
I
worked
for
pacific
anyway.
D
What
what
they're
presented
with
especially
scenario
training,
I
would,
I
would
suggest
that
that
would
be
mandated
where,
where
the
persons
on
this
committee,
if
we
form
one,
go
through
the
same
or
similar
training.
As
you
know,
the
recruits
do
you
know,
maybe
not
as
expensive,
obviously
because
it's
a
16
week
course,
but
but
the
similar
training
they
get
involving
use
of
force
incidents,
that's
what
probably
would
have
to
be
concentrated
on,
because
that's
what
you're
reviewing
you're
revealing
use.
D
Of
course
incidents,
so
that's
you
know
kind
of
where
I
I
think,
if,
with
this
committee
pushes
or
or
not
that's
the
wrong
word,
who
recommends
a
oversight
committee
such
as
this,
that
they
follow
the
ordinance
that
is
already
in
place
and
that
mandates
training
but
maybe
embellish
on
it
to
include,
because
I
don't
think
they
had
scenario
based
training
back
in
1999.
D
I
started
my
career
in
77,
so
anyway
they
so
the
scenario
based
training
really
does
help
law
enforcement
officers
prepare
for
that
use
of
course,
event,
and
I
think
it
would
be
required
for
any
person
that
would
sit
on
the
committee
like
this.
That
sense.
B
So
that's
a
great
point
bruce
and
I
I
actually
agree
with
you.
The
need
for
training
is,
is
really
important
and
and
mandating
it
and
through
ordinance
helps
to
make
sure
that
it
actually
happens
and
what
that
training
looks
like
can
be
very
different
from
jurisdiction
to
jurisdiction.
So
I
just
worked
well
not
just,
but
I
recently
worked
with
a
community
who
ended
up
mandating
30
hours
of
training
a
year
for
their
oversight
entities.
B
Now
I
will
say
that
that's
a
lot,
and
particularly
if
you're
looking
for
it's
a
delicate
balance,
you
want
them
to
have
the
training.
B
You
also
want
to
make
sure
that
you
have
members
on
the
board
that
represent
all
aspects
of
your
community,
and
that
includes
people
who
have
jobs
and
families
and
need
to
worry
about
child
care
and
elder
care
and
and
so
trying
to
make
and
some
people
who
work
two
or
three
jobs
so
trying
to
figure
out
how
you
balance
the
mandates
with
making
sure
you
have
a
board
that
reflects
the
community
is
really
important.
So
sometimes
that
looks
like
instead,
for
instance,
in
indianapolis
we
had
20
hours
mandated
the
first
year.
B
Following
that
on
the
things
they
thought
would
be
helpful
for
us
to
know
and
also
gave
them
a
piece
of
the
process
that
helped
them
kind
of
buy
into
it
a
little
bit
better.
The
second
year
and
onward.
B
B
It
allows
it
does
a
lot
to
help
law
enforcement,
understand
community
and
the
role
of
the
oversight
mechanism
better,
because
I
can
guarantee
you
every
officer
will
know
about
the
oversight
entity,
but
you
don't
know
what
they've
heard
about
the
oversight
entity,
so
it
helps
provide
education
to
them
too
about
what
you
can
and
cannot
do
helps
with
their
expectations.
B
It
also
allows
members
of
the
board
to
hear
directly
from
law
enforcement
and
probably
law
enforcement.
They
wouldn't
otherwise
have
a
chance
to
speak
with.
So
I
do
also
recommend
that,
but
in
addition
to
that
type
of
training,
constitutional
rights
is
really
important.
Hearing
from
city
attorneys
public
defenders,
wherever
you
can
get
information
to
help
build
knowledge
to
better
do
the
job.
There
are
just
a
lot
of
places
to
look.
B
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
think
just
to
move
us
along.
Do
you
know
you
had
a
question
and
so
does
mary.
Louise.
E
Okay,
you
know
I'm
spending
time
trying
to
condense
down
my
questions
again,
we're
we're
just
always
so
lucky
to
have
national
experts,
really,
you
know
paying
attention
to
us
and
helping
us
as
as
we
work
through
the
task
force's
work.
E
You
know
what
stood
out
to
me
are
the
two
approaches
of
reactive
versus
proactive
and
I
sort
of
wish.
I
could
rewind
to
1997
to
see
what
caused
the
the
the
formation
of
our
ordinance-
and
I
think
the
good
news
is.
We
have
an
ordinance
we
have
and
I'm
trying
to
just
I
keep
losing
the
title
of
it,
but
we
we've
got
the
ordinance.
E
We've
got
a
structure
with
this
police
incident
review
board,
including
a
whole
section
on
tasks
and
duties,
but
that
said,
if
it
was
created
in
in
1997,
obviously
it
needs
almost
30
years
of
updates.
So
it
doesn't
look
like
we.
You
know
like
we're
in
a
reactive
mode
but
proactively
how
what
are
some
models
for
reviewing
an
ordinance
updating
it,
bringing
it
up
to
date,
because
I'm
in
the
the
review
board
doesn't
really
exist.
B
Yeah,
so
what
normally
happens
in
that
situation
is
that
you
would
have
to
essentially
reconstitute
the
board,
but
also
there
has
to
be
some
additional
mandate
given
to
them
to
do
the
work
of
re-um
vamping.
The
ordinance.
B
That's
done
by
an
outside
task
force
so
that
you
don't
have
people
that
are
inside
doing
the
work
and
trying
to
change
what
they're
doing
at
the
same
time,
which
can
be
hard
if
you're,
that
person,
but
also
for
anybody
who
is
very
critical
of
the
process.
That's
one
thing
that
can
draw.
Maybe
some
attention
is
that
you
have
the
same
people
doing
those
things
I
think.
In
most
cases
a
task
force
is
is
great.
Sometimes
it's
as
simple
as.
B
A
group
like
yourself
making
recommendations
going
out
and
posing
those
to
the
community
for
feedback
and
then
revamping
it
based
on
the
feedback
that
you're
getting
from
the
community.
E
B
So
sometime
so
sometimes
cities
do
it
in
a
very
small
confined
way,
which
I
wouldn't
recommend,
because
the
city
and
what
from
what
I
do
know
of
santa
fe.
It's
a
city
who
likes
to
be
involved
community,
wise
and
like
most,
I
guess,
but
but
still
cutting
them
out
of
that
process
might
not
go
well.
So
a
way
that
involves
them
also
before
something
is
finally
enacted,
would
probably
be
very
appropriate
and
also
I'll
just
say
so.
B
So
I'm
I'll
reach
out
to
her
she's
she's,
no
longer
the
auditor
but
I'll
reach
out
to
her
and
see
if
she
has
any
information
if
there
was
a
an
event
that
prompted
it
and
see,
also
because
she's
also
the
auditor
really
up
until
2014,
I
think
see
if
she
has
any
information
for
you
and
pass
it
along.
E
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
for
a
moment
there
I
felt
a
little
silly,
because
you
know
this
can
be
one
of
our
roles
as
the
task
force,
and
that
might
be
a
little
more
obvious
to
some
to
recommend
the
the
updates
and
the
changes
to
this.
But
you
know
it's
such
a
big
lift
that
it
may
need
some
some
focus
and
not
maybe
not
be
part
of
many
reviews,
but
part
of
its
own
review.
B
Just
one
more
thing
on
that,
so
in
some
cities,
not
necessarily
that
are
looking
on
revamping
an
existing
ordinance
but
are
looking
at
trying
to
create
one
from
scratch,
they
often
will
form
a
task
force
specifically
for
the
purpose
of
putting
together
recommendations
for
those
changes,
so
that
task
force
has
x
number
of
months
where
they
educate
themselves.
They
look
at.
They
do
some
comparative
research
and
then
put
together
a
full
recommendation
that
then
is
taken
by
city
officials
to
look
at
you
know:
what
can
you
do
legally?
B
What
can
you
do
budgetary
wise
and
then
it
kind
of
moves
forward
for
community
input
from
there?
So
just
something
else
to
think
about.
F
Thank
you
so
much
for
being
so
informative
and
sharing
your
knowledge
with
us
and
your
expertise.
My
question
was:
you
talked
about
mediation
and
under
the
umbrella
of
restorative
justice,
is
one
of
mediation?
Is
one
of
them?
Is
restorative
justice
used
in
any
of
the
models
where
you
actually
bring
people
together
like
community
together.
B
B
The
and
often
they
use
it,
particularly
when
either
they're,
where
everything
comes
together
to
create
a
moment
of
crisis.
So
seattle
is
a
great
example
of
that
or
they
use
it
when
there
are
critical
incidents
and
it
is
a
way
to
well.
You
know
I
mean
it's
an
excellent
way
to
bring
everybody
together
in
a
way
that
allows
voices
but
voices
in
a
safe
environment,
lots
of
music.
H
Hi
oops
a
really
thorough
and
wonderful
presentation.
We
really
appreciate
you
being
on
the
call
tonight
in
the
meeting
two
one
quick
comment
and
then
a
question,
and
I
I
do
believe
that
the
ordinance
in
the
late
mid
to
late
90s
was
reactive
because
of
some
problems
with
the
police
department.
It
was
before
I
moved
to
santa
fe.
H
I
moved
to
santa
fe
in
1998,
but
I
heard
all
those
stories
from
some
of
the
founders
of
our
organization
and
so
not
quite
sure
what
the
details
are,
but
it
would
be
interesting
to
learn
about
the
circumstances
leading
to
the
creation
of
that
ordinance
as
we
move
forward.
I
am
curious
about
police
unions
and
their
and
just
the
kind
of
do
you
do.
You
have
contract
language
are
most
of
the
places
where
the
successful
suns
police
unions,
or
do
you
work
closely
with
them.
H
Can
you
just
speak
to
that
issue
a
little
bit,
because
I
know
that
in
my
other
role
with
the
santa
fe
immigration
committee,
there
were
a
lot
of
things
that
we
were
privy
to
when
dealing
with
some
of
the
police
procedures
and
violations
of
those
police
procedures.
And
then,
of
course,
there
were
many
things
that
we
were
not
privy
to
because
of
the
union
contracts.
B
So
I
I
have
to
be
honest:
unions
often
tend
to
create
some
complications
in
the
process.
There
are
lots
of
very
successful
oversight
entities
who
are
doing
the
work
in
cities
who
even
those
who
have
very
strong
unions.
A
great
example
of
that
is
the
civilian
investigative
panel.
In
miami
I
mean
that
that
is
one
heck
of
a
union
down
there
and
but
they're
able
still
to
do
the
work
they
just
when
there
are
contracts
in
place.
B
You
have
to
make
sure
that
the
authorities
and
the
day-to-day
duties
are
falling
within
existing
contracts
and
then
part
of
that
work,
and
it
often
can't
be
done
by
the
oversight
entity
itself
because
they're
in
there
doing
working
for
the
process,
but
there
is
often
this
secondary
process
where
you
work
to
make
sure
that,
as
other
contracts
come
online,
that
there
are
things
put
in
place
that
promote
civilian
oversight
and
the
transparency
and
accountability
pieces
in
a
way
that
also
I'm
hoping
sometime
before,
I
leave
this
earth.
B
I
can
help
everyone
understand
that
oversight
benefits
every
aspect
of
this
when
the
community
feels
better
about
the
police
and
how
they're
being
policed.
Instead
of
not
helping
the
police,
they
help
them,
they
support
the
work
where
they,
when
they
feel
more
comfortable
with
how
they're
being
policed,
and
that
makes
officers
safer
in
their
work.
It's
just
this
cyclical
thing
that
I'm
hoping
someday
that
everybody,
I
think
lots
of
people
understand
it's
just
hard
to
put
into
practice.
B
There
are
cities
out
there
who
have
worked
on
union
on
their
contracts
and
definitely
so
there
would
be
some
examples
out
there
of
how
they've
kind
of
eased
things
that
have
been
in
place
that
restricted
the
ability
of
oversight
to
do
its
job.
So
so
I'm
guessing
that's
the
answer
you
expected.
B
But
but
there
are
some
that
are
working
on
it
and
let
me
know
if
I
can
put
you
in
touch
with
some
of
those
cities
that
have
done
some
of
that
work
and
might
have
some
language.
G
D
Oh
well,
there's
there's
been
a
lot
of
oversight
committees
over
the
years
and-
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
you're,
if
the
study
looked
at
oversight
committees
that
were
actually
a
part
of
the
city
government,
I
I
know
of
one
that
my
actually
my
captain
was
a
part
of,
so
he
worked
for
the
union
pacific
as
a
captain,
and
he
sat
on
the
community
policing
board
for
the
city
of
lombard,
which
is
part
of
our
community.
Anyway,
they
they
weren't.
They
were
a
point.
B
Yeah
well,
if
I
understand
what
you're
saying
so,
we
only
looked
at
those
oversight
entities
that
were
formed
with
legislation.
So
if
the
city,
through
like
an
executive
order
or
sometimes
like,
for
instance
here,
I
sat
for
a
very
brief
time
on
a
sheriff's
advisory
committee,
where
the
sheriff
appointed
both
community
members
and
some
of
his
deputies
to
an
oversight
committee.
B
G
A
A
Fire
somebody
or
or
anything
that
you
think
that
actually
goes
into
kind
of
a
disciplinary
role
and
I'm
just
curious
out
of
the
ones
that
you've
seen
do
you
feel
like
they
do
have
teeth
in
a
way
that
actually
there
is
some
kind
of
way
to
resolve
the
situation,
and
I'm
not
saying
it
it's
that
extreme.
But
you
know
maybe
it's
even
restorative
justice,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
if
the
teeth
factor
that
that's
always
been
a
curiosity
of
ours.
B
B
Or
recommendations
for
procedural
changes,
one
of
the
things
that
a
lot
of
cities
are
starting
to
put
in
place-
and
I
highly
recommend-
is
that
there
is
something
in
the
ordinance
that
talks
about.
Not
only
does
the
oversight
mechanism
have
the
ability
to
make
those
recommendations,
but
the
law
enforcement
is
required
to
respond
to
them
in
writing
within
a
certain
amount
of
time.
B
What
that
does
is
allow
recommendations
not
to
be
ignored.
It
also
makes
sure
that
everybody
understands
that
those
whatever
the
response
to
that
will
be
known
to
all,
there's
no
more
behind
the
scenes.
Work
in
that
regard,
that
becomes
really
really
important.
Another
thing
that
people
have
done
is
when
they
write
reports.
B
Some
cities
also
require
that,
if
a
recommendation
is
implemented
that
there
is
a
follow-up
to
see
once
the
recommendation
was
approved,
was
it
actually
implemented
and
what
was
the
results?
B
B
Most
of
which
were
approved
by
or
accepted
by
the
law
enforcement
agency
a
year
later,
they
went
back
and
did
another
audit
of
that
so
that
they
could
see
if
those
recommendations
that
were
accepted
were
actually
implemented,
and
also
did
that
did
those
recommendations
actually
improve
the
process.
B
So
it
also
provided
some
accountability
for
the
oversight
office
as
well,
but
definitely
those
types
of
things
aren't.
They
are
the
teeth
that
you
talk
about,
but
not
they're,
they're,
not
they're,
not
something
that
really
it's
not
the
sink
into
bite.
It
is
things
that
hold
people
accountable
within
the
process.
B
I
think
that
also
I'll
say
in
regards
to
discipline.
You
know
a
lot.
I
hear
from
a
lot
of
communities
that
they
want
to
have
the
power
to
recommend
or
impose
discipline.
B
I'm
I
often
when
people
talk
about
imposing
discipline.
The
question
I
normally
ask
is
well
who
will
oversee
you?
Then,
if
you're
the
one
doing
the
discipline-
because
I
mean
discipline's-
pretty
big
deal
so
I
often
say,
if
you're
going
to
have
anything
to
do
with
discipline
recommendations,
and
if
you
can't
even
do
that
auditing
the
disciplinary
process
to
make
sure
that
it's
fair
and
consistent
is
a
pretty
good
start
to
making
sure
that
things
are
being
done.
B
B
A
Thank
you
and
the
other
question
I
had
as
kind
of
a
follow-up.
I
guess
I
see
these
oversight
boards
having
an
ability
to
make
recommendations
on
policies
and
practices
in
some
way
based
on
you
know
some
of
the
things
that
they're
hearing
from
community
and
then
also
just
based
on
like
realizing
that
data.
A
The
data
is
telling
us
something,
or
maybe
we
don't
we're,
not
getting
enough
data.
That's
telling
a
story
in
a
clear
way,
so
I
guess
I'm
just
curious
if
there's
ways
that
or
you've
seen
the
oversight
boards
as
a
way
of
just
being,
not
just
sounding
boards,
but
helping
to
kind
of
shape,
making
continuous
recommendations
as
needed.
Obviously
it
sounds
like
there'll
be
limitations
with
the
police
unions,
which
is
one
of
my
questions
as
well.
A
B
I
think
it's
an
excellent
way
for
them
to
be
involved,
being
able
to
look
at
policy
recommendations
or
policy
and
make
recommendations
is
a
way
to
really
step
in
and
help
make
long-lasting
change.
The
the
piece
of
that,
though,
is,
is
that
you
have
to
make
sure
that
there's
a
good
understanding
of
the
existing
policy.
B
B
How
can
we
make
it
better
law
enforcement
better
for
the
community
and
for
them
for
them
being
part
of
community
as
well,
in
a
way
that
is
long-lasting
and
and
worthwhile
now
saying
that
I
do
think
you
know
having
I'm
not
allowed
to
really
have
favorite
models
and
favorite
mechanisms,
because
you
know
a
lot
of
people
have
the
mechanism
that
they
were
dealt
by
the
legislation
that
they
were
given.
B
That's
why
I
think
the
the
hybrid
mechanisms
are
so
popular
because
you're
able
to
do
some
really
good
policy
work
and
have
a
community
voice,
and
sometimes
you
know
the
person
who
staffs
your
board
can
be
someone
who
also
understands
the
policy
work.
Maybe
even
knows
how
to
audit.
B
You
know
understands
data,
so
there's
all
of
those
pieces
that
you
can
kind
of
combine
into
one,
but
I
do
think
being
able
to
do
more
than
just
review
whether
or
not
you
review
a
case
and
decide
whether
or
not
you
agree
with
the
the
same
findings
that
the
internal
affairs
came
to
really
makes
it
a
a
a
better
model
in
that
it.
It
helps
the
community
long
term
and
not
just
one
incident
at
a
time.
B
A
G
I
Thank
you
and
thank
you
so
much
for
the
presentation
and
for
everybody's
questions,
renee
sort
of
that's
what
I
was
curious
about
is
the
teeth
and
just
to
follow.
Up
with
that,
and
you
sort
of
saying
that
you,
you
don't-
have
a
favorite
model,
which
I
respect,
but
thinking
forward
to
our
sort
of
report.
I
Writing
that's
going
to
happen
because
we're
going
to
make
recommendations
to
the
city,
it
would
be
wonderful
to
see-
and
I
don't
know
if
you
even
have
this
the
this.
But
what
you
would
what
you
think
is
the
most
comprehensive
model
for
this,
whether
that
is
real
and
you
know
actually
exists
or
what
it
could
look
like.
I
I'm
I'm
sort
of
curious
about
the
authorizing
ordinances
or
statutes
and
how
we
might
be
able
to
make
a
really
concrete
recommendation
around
this
where
the
oversight,
you
know
the
civilian
oversight,
if,
if
the
city
were
to
choose
to
sort
of
form
this
and
go
through
with
it,
give
it,
you
know
some
of
that
some
some
more
teeth,
different
way
that
they
can
evaluate
progress.
You
know
through
the
process
and
access
to
data,
because
I
could
see
that
you
know
one
wonderful
way
to
set
up
a
a
task
force
or
excuse
me.
I
A
oversight
committee
would
be
to
give
grant
them
access
to
data
in
a
way
that,
in
an
easier
access
to
data
versus
having
to
do
ipa,
requests
and
that
sort
of
thing
or
public
records
requests.
So
I'm
just
curious
if
you
have
that
or
if
not.
If,
if
that's
something
you
could
send
to
us
just
even
if
it's
a
a
couple
different
authorizing
statutes
or
ordinances
that
that
govern
some
of
these
oversight
committees,
I
think,
would
be
great
to
look
at
them.
B
Absolutely
I
can-
and
I
can
also
send
you-
we
recently
worked
with
a
community
that
is
approximately
the
same
size
as
yours,
a
law
enforcement
agency
that
definitely
depending
on
who
you
talk
to
in
the
community.
They
had
different
feelings
about
it,
but
they
were
for
all
intensive
purposes.
This
was
a
proactive
approach
to
establishing
civilian
oversight.
B
I
think
the
link
is
broken
on
their
website,
but
I
will
send
you
a
copy
of
their
final
recommendations
because
it
it
they
did.
It
was
a
year-long
process
that
filtered
into
these
recommendations,
so
we
spent
a
long,
and
I
can
also
send
you
some
of
the
sample
ordinances
that
I
sent
them
along
the
way
they
they
ended
up,
recommending
a
a
monitor
with
a
community
review
board.
B
There's
a
lot
of
information
in
there
about
composition
of
the
board
authorities
for
both
the
monitor
and
the
community
board
itself.
So
I
think
that
that
would
definitely
be.
It
probably
is
not
something
you
could
just
plop
into
your
community
because
it
might
not
be
exactly
what
you
want,
but
it
definitely
would
be
a
great
starting
place
and
I'm
happy
to
share
some
of
the
the
ordinances.
So
you
have
that
language
as
well.
I
That
would
be
wonderful.
Thank
you.
I
know
in
a
in
next
month
we're
going
to
have
some
people
from
the
vera
institute
for
justice
come
and
talk
about
their
work
on
the
police,
accountability
and
transparency
index.
Talk
a
lot
about.
You
know,
sort
of
how
they're
grading
different
departments
around
the
country
in
just
the
access
to
data,
so
just
one
piece
of
sort
of
what
you're
talking
about,
and
I
think
that
these
two
presentations
they
really
kind
of
they're,
very
complementary.
So
thank.
G
Thank
you
and
thank
you.
Cami
bruce,
I
believe,
you're
up
next
and
just
being
mindful
of
time.
Yes,
thank
you.
D
D
When
I,
when
I
went
on
it,
looked
really
easy
to
access
easy
to
figure
out
how
to
do
it,
etc.
I
think
that's
a
big
part
of
it
too.
I
know
not.
All
citizens
in
santa
fe
have
have
the
ability
to
to
access
a
computer,
but
still
the
major
proportion
would
be
in
that
because
our
current
access,
our
current
use,
of
course,
reporting
system,
is
a
pdf
file.
D
It
should
download
and
fill
out.
So
that's
that's
how
you
get
the
input
from
the
citizens
into
the
police
department.
As
far
as
you
know,
what
you
know,
that's
the
start.
The
police
department
actually
gets
the
first
or
hopefully
they
do
get
the
first
complaint
and
how
the
complaining
process
starts
up
so
unless
they
go
to
the
media
first,
so
anyway,
that's
that's.
Why
do
you
have
any
comments
on
that?
The
process
of
reporting.
B
Yeah,
so
I
love
that
you
brought
up
the
web
website
piece.
I
mean
having
an
easy
to
access.
B
I
I'm
on
oversight
agency
websites
all
the
time,
and
it
is
amazing
how
difficult
it
is
to
find
sometimes
even
the
oversight
agency's
website
itself,
because
it's
so
embedded
and
it's
you
have
to
go
to
a
list
of
boards
and
commissions
for
the
city
and
find
that
particular
one
or
but
being
having
easy
access
to
all
of
the
reports
being
able
for
people
being
able
to
file
a
complaint
online
is
one
more
easy
method
or
access
point
and
and
having
information
about
who
is
part
of
the
oversight
mechanism,
because
it's
an
important
part
of
the
community
and
allowing
people
to
know
who's
doing
the
important
work,
whether
as
a
staff,
member
or
a
volunteer,
is
also,
I
think,
really
important
and
also
allows
those
individuals
to
talk
to
the
community
about
why
they're
doing
the
work
and
who
they
are.
A
No,
it's
okay!
If
you
could
send
us
the
presentation,
the
slide
deck
that
would
be
great
and
then
any
of
the
other
information
that
you
were
discussing
for
us
to
look
at.
If,
if
any
members
have
any
other
questions
or
information
from
kemi,
we
can
certainly
email
her
and
just
get
additional
information.
A
A
B
Of
course
it's
been
a
pleasure.
Thank
you
so
much
for
having
me
and
your
thoughtful
questions,
and-
and
I
am
around
if
you
have
any
additional
ones
and
I'll
try
to
get
you
that
information
tomorrow.
A
C
Before
we
move
on,
I
remember
what
prompted
the
the
citizens
review
board.
I
guess
that
you
were
talking
about.
It
was
the
killing
of
pancho
or
tega
on
hickok
street
there
near
saint
anne's
church,
oh
wow,
it's
going
way
back,
debbie's
the
one
that
started
and
that's
what
led
to
the
creation
of
the
public
safety
committee,
which
is
still
there
and
still
operating,
but
I'm
not
sure
whatever
happened
to
the
other
one
that
that
you
guys
were
looking
into.
A
A
The
info
or
that
link
or
maybe
you're
texting
with
somebody
that
knew
but
yeah.
I
think
that
was
something
that
we
needed
to
figure
out.
E
That's
great
insight,
chris.
Thank
you.
The
the
curie
curiosity
for
me
is
how
it
just
sort
of
faded
right
fade
it
out
to
where
we
don't
it's
still
on
the
books.
It's
still
legit,
it
could
meet
tomorrow,
but,
but
you
know,
that's
probably
not
appropriate
because
it
needs
to
be
updated,
but
still
it's
it's
interesting
that
it
it
just
faded
out
of
memory.
D
But
you
know
I'm
I'm
not
a
lawyer.
So
it's
difficult
for
me
to
understand
the
legalese
now
in
three
years.
Maybe
my
son
will,
but
I
can't
I
don't
understand
what
what
that
meant.
So,
if
anybody
that
has
that
legal
background
can
go
back,
they
can
find
where
it
was
brought
up
to
the
council
for
kind
of
abolishment.
I
think
and
it
was
quashed.
So
that's
all.
I
can
tell
you.
E
I
just
got
something
like
curious:
what
would
have
triggered
that
action
too?
It
seems
like
you
know,
maybe
a
reaction
created
it
and
then
there's
another
reaction,
removing
it
and
maybe
there
was
a
con.
Maybe
there
were
controversial
meetings
in
the
2000s
and
maybe
some
some
overreach
from
the
committee.
I'm
not
sure
that's
a
lot
of
maybes
I've.
I've
googled,
while
we've
been
on
the
line
to
try
and
see
if
there
were
any
newspaper
articles
that
would
have
triggered
triggered
this,
and
I
just
I
can't
find
anything.
A
We
should
find
out
who
was
sitting
on
council
at
that
time
and
maybe
they
it
morphed
into
the
the
other
public
safety
board
committee,
or
maybe
the
committee
members
decided
that
they
didn't
want
to
be
part
of
this
anymore,
we'll
have
to
figure
it
out
we're
going
to
move
on
since
we
have
other
items
to
get
through
tonight.
We
have
a
bunch
of
minutes
and
I
didn't
get
complete
direction
on
how
we
want
to
approve
all
of
these,
since
we
finally
got
them
published.
A
Of
approving
them,
unless
someone
had
any
questions
about
the
minutes
because
we'll
be
approving
august
I'll
just
go
in
the
order.
It's
listed
august,
2nd
july
19th
june
21st
may
3rd
april,
19th
april
5th
march
22nd
march,
8th
february,
22nd
february,
8th
january
25th
and
january
4th,
and
these
are
the
minutes
we've
had.
If
there's
any
questions
on
any
of
them,
we
we
updated
them
from
the
last
meeting
to
be
accurate.
E
I
I'll
move
that
we
approve
items
2
a
through
l
in
in
one
motion
to
approve
all
all
minutes
listed
as
2a
through
l.
A
All
right
so
can
we
do
voice
vote
for
hybrid.
E
G
Yep,
absolutely
so
gino
motioned
to
approve
a
through
l
january
through
august
2022
of
approval
of
minutes
monica's.
Second,
so
in
the
roll
call
we
have
rene
real
chris
chris
rivera
and
I'm
going
to
mess
up
last
names,
I'm
so
sorry,
mary,
louise
monica
gino
and
bruce.
Did
I
get
everybody.
G
I
apologize
thank
you.
Okay,
so
renee
said
yes,
mary,
louise,
yes,
chris,
yes
monica,
yes,
bruce.
D
A
All
right
so
minutes
are
approved.
We'll
move
on
to
communications
from
co-chairs.
Chris
riveta
have
anything
to
share.
A
A
A
A
Okay,
moving
on
to
the
communication
from
staff
and
or
and
or
facilitator
valeria.
G
Yeah
so
I
have
check-ins
one
is
with
you
renee
and
chris
about
september
sixth
meeting.
I
have
it
in
my
notes
that
there's
a
conflict
with
a
finance
committee
meeting
so
just
wanted
to
confirm
if
we're
on
or
not
and
if
we're
not,
perhaps
I
don't
know
if
maybe
working
sessions
can
happen
and
I'm
happy
to
join
so
that
I
can
help
with
tracking.
A
G
A
So
I
guess
it
depends
on
you
all
chris
and
I
will
be
in
finance
on
tuesday,
so
working
session
or
working
groups
could
meet,
although
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
participate,
the
other
option
is
to
have
working
groups,
maybe
have
a
working
group
session,
since
we
haven't
necessarily
had
much
time
for
that
on
august
30th
or
where,
whenever
you
actually
all
want
to
be
in
your
working
group
sessions,
I
guess
it
would
be
up
to
you
what
what
what
is
the
group
feel
that
would
make
sense,
maybe
september
6th
meeting
and
then
just
have
a
working
group
session
between
now
and
the
time
we
have
the
next
regular
meeting,
which
would
be
september
20th.
A
Does
that
work
for
folks
just
to
plan
our
working
group
sessions,
and
you
all
can
we
all
can
decide
when
would
be
the
best
time,
maybe
for
our
working
group,
so
I
can
keep
it
consistent.
Since
tuesday
nights
are
available,
we
could
still
meet
on
september
sorry
august
30th,
possibly.
A
G
Okay,
perfect
september,
20th,
perfect.
Thank
you
so
much.
You
know
I'll
send
a
a
you
know
a
reminder
tomorrow
to
folks
that
this
is
how
we're
moving
forward
and
then
the
other
piece
that
I
just
wanted
to
have
a
quick
check
in
is
any.
Are
we
revisiting
the
presentation
with
from
ithaca?
Has
there
been
any
sort
of
revisiting
of
that
or
or
not
at
all,
not
moving
forward.
G
D
G
Thank
you,
my
friend
I
am
complete
and
so
moving
on
to
matters
from
the
task
force.
Is
there
anything
manual.