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A
Yes,
so
youtube
has
started
and
jeff
norris
has
the
closed
captioning.
So
we're
good
to
go.
B
C
Can
counselor
beta.
D
B
Okay,
thank
you.
We
have
a
quorum.
Can
the
next
item
is
approval
of
the
agenda?
Are
there
any
changes
from
staff?
No
changes,
mr
chair,
anything
from
the
committee.
Is
there
a
motion
regarding
the
agenda.
E
B
Thank
you.
Okay,
next
is
approval
of
the
consent
agenda
items
to
be
removed
from
the
consent.
B
Agenda
councilwoman
lindell.
G
Thank
you
chair
item
e.
B
Okay,
okay,
other
items
to
be
removed,
councilwoman
cassette
sanchez.
B
Okay,
other
items
councilman
via
royale,
the
ones
I
wanted
to
pull,
have
already
been
suggested
thanks.
Okay
and
councilwoman
romero
worth.
B
Okay,
so
we
have
items
e
items
h
and
item
I
have
been
removed
from
the
consent
calendar.
Can
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
consent
calendar
as
amended.
Move
to
approve
is
amended.
Second,
okay,
any
further
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
say
I
can
have
a
roll
call
vote.
Please
counselor
beta.
H
B
Thank
you,
okay.
Thank
you.
Our
next
item
is
approval
of
the
minutes
and
they
are
from
the
finance
committee
meeting
of
november
30th
2020.
Are
there
any
changes
from
staff?
C
B
Thank
you,
okay.
So
that
brings
us
to
the
action
items
that
were
pulled
from
the
consent
calendar.
The
first
will
be
item
e,
which
is
a
request
for
approval
of
the
2020
emergency
management
performance
grant
in
the
total
amount
of
thousand
175
hundred
sixty
dollars
for
salary
and
benefits
the
new
mexico
department
of
homeland
security
and
emergency
management,
councilwoman
lindell.
G
I
A
chairman
and
counselor:
yes,
this
is
a
a
match
based
grant.
That's
why
the
dollar
value
is
so
high.
It's
a
50
50
grant
match.
My
current
salary,
which
is
budgeted
in
the
city's
budget,
is
the
match
for
that.
That's
why
the
grant
is
eighty,
seven
thousand
five
hundred
and
eighty
dollars
towards
a
new
position,
salary
and
benefit,
and
then
of
my
position.
I
Correct
we
cannot
use
those
funds
for
anything
other
than
a
new
position
or
equipment,
because
otherwise
that
would
be
subplantation,
so
we
can't
use
it
for
myself,
the
emergency
management
director
or
the
other
existing
physician
in
my
emergency
management
section,
which
is
brian
williams,
emergency
management
specialist.
So
this
is
for
a
third
position:
emergency
management
coordinator.
I
Chairman
counselor,
it
didn't
seem
like
it
was
ever
going
to
be
in
the
cards
originally
in
one
of
the
first
budgets.
It
was
proposed
as
one
of
my
initiatives,
but
it
was
removed.
G
So
chair,
I
would
look
to
you
or
to
miss
mccoy.
J
Create
positions
this
way,
mr
chair
counselor,.
K
Lindell,
I
can
add
some
more
information
for
grant
funded
positions
in
our
city's
hr
classifications,
job
classification
system.
Those
positions
are
term
positions,
so
those
positions
are
authorized
for
the
term
of
the
grant.
So
it's
not
like
we
are
adding
a
permanent
classified
position
that
would
then
us
we
would
need
to
fund,
regardless
of
whether
or
not
we
received
the
funding
for
from
this
grant
or
not.
So
this
is
a
separate
classification
where
the
term
of
the
grant
dictates
the
term
of
the.
G
I
Chairman
counselor,
yes,
it
can
be
utilized
right
now.
This
grant
this
cycle
will
not
be
utilized
for
anything
other
than
what
is
identified
in
the
subgrant
agreement
attached
to
the
packet,
which
is
salary
and
benefits.
I
I
G
G
G
What
that,
how
that
all
works-
and
it
just
doesn't
seem
to
me,
like
the
exact
right
way,
to
go
about
doing
business-
that
oh,
it's
federal
money,
we
don't
want
to
lose
that,
but
I
don't
know
that
we
needed
this
position
or
if
we'd
have
been
better
off
using
these
monies
to
purchase,
to
request
purchase
for
some
other
emergency
equipment
that
we
might
need.
Certainly,
in
the
last
year,
you
guys
have
done
a
terrific
job
with
personal
protective
equipment
for
lots
of
people
and
lots
of
different
places.
G
So
I'm
not
going
to
vote
against
this,
but
I
don't
really
like
doing
business
this
way.
It
doesn't
seem.
It
seems
like
we're
expanding
just
because
we
have
the
money
from
the
federal
government,
and
I
think
we
might
have
maybe
looked
at
this
and
seen
if
there
was
a
better
way
to
use
it.
So
those
are
my
comments.
B
Thank
you,
counselor
lindell
miss
mccoy.
I
don't
believe
we
have
anybody
from
hr
on
the
on
the
zoom
cast
or
whatever
we
call
these
meetings.
But
when
we
advertise
for
this
position
we
will
disclose
that
it
is
grant
funded
in
its
temporary
right
or
term
based
on
the
grant
is,
will
we
will
we
not.
K
Mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee,
yes,
that
has
been
my
experience
in
the
city's
hr
system.
If
a
position
is
classified
as
a
term
position,
because
it
is
funded
by
a
non-recurring
source
of
funding.
That
is
a
very
that
information
is
readily
available
in
the
job
description
and
upon
the
terms
and
conditions
of
employment.
K
So
as
soon
as
this
funding-
and
I
would
defer
to
kyle
to
review
the
term
of
the
funding
agreement,
as
well
as
the
job
roles
and
duties
of
this
particular
position,
and
why
the
funding
request
was
made
for
additional
staff
as
opposed
to
equipment
or
other
items
that
we
could
have
requested,
but
as
far
as
the
term
of
the
agreement
would
match
the
term
of
the
employment.
So
as
soon
as
the
funding
expires
from
the
from
the
grant
from
the
federal
government,
the
position
would
no
longer
be.
K
B
Okay,
now
I
I
agree,
though,
with
councillor
lindell.
I
think
we
need
to
do
a
better
job,
especially
at
budget
time,
for
these
departments
specifically
or
these
areas
where
we
know
that
they
have
more
access
to
grant
funding
or
opportunities
throughout
the
year
than
others.
Maybe
we
need
to
do
a
better
job
of
disclosing
to
us
that,
while
there's
not
a
position
proposed
today,
as
we
do
this
budget,
there
is
the
potential
for
grant
funding
throughout
the
fiscal
year
where
we
may
land
up
with
a
position
or
two
councillor
lindell.
B
G
I
So
for
the
grant
period
20,
I
believe
2017
and
2018
either
that
or
2016
and
2017.
My
position
was
funded
previously
when
it
was
david
silver.
At
that
time,
we
decided
to
change
the
funding
from
staff
funding
to
a
project
to
update
the
midtown
campus
to
provide
the
city
with
an
emergency
operations
center.
I
At
that
time,
the
city
picked
up
the
budgetary
costs
for
the
emergency
management
director's
position
and
the
emergency
operations
center
was
developed
and
funded
through
those
initiatives
through
this
grant.
At
that
time,
we
are
unable
to
move
the
funding
back
to
a
budgeted
position
due
to
federal
law
and
from
there.
I
It
has
been
very
successful
for
other
emergency
management
departments
throughout
the
state
of
new
mexico
to
fund
staff
through
this
grant
every
year,
large
numbers
of
emergency
management
directors
or
their
support
staff
are
funded
through
the
emergency
management
performance
grant.
That
being
said,
we
do
have
ample
work
for
this
new
staff
member
to
conduct
we'd
like
to
expand
trainings
and
exercises
to
help
support
the
airport
and
the
dam
operations
in
the
city
of
santa
fe
to
be
able
to
conduct
full-scale
table
tops
drills
of
those
such
as
well
as
expanding
to
other
departments.
G
Thank
you.
As
I
said
I
I
just
this
is
the
this
is
not
how
we
should
be
expanding
departments.
G
We
should
be
doing
that
through
the
budget
procedure,
not
through
finding
a
federal
grant,
and
you
know
I'm
not
really
sure
why
we
don't
go
back
and
pay
your
salary
out
of
this
instead
of
we're
making
a
match.
This
is
cost
this.
This
is
us
paying
more
money
in
a
time
when
we
don't
have
that
much
money,
I'm
sure
that
so
like
I
said,
I'm
not
going
to
vote
against
this,
but
I
don't
think
that
this
is
a
really
particularly
good
way
for
us
to
be
doing
business.
B
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you.
I
agree
with
councillor
lindell
miss
mccoy.
Can
we
make
sure
that
we
highlight
this
during
our
mid-year
budget
and
then
we
get
an
update
during
the
fiscal
year
budget
approval
for
next
year,
where
we
we
talk
about
this
department,
specifically
and
because
I
also
see
the
importance
of
on
the
access
to
federal,
grant
money
that
this
department
has
as
opposed
to
others,
and
so
I
just
think
we
need
to.
I
agree
with
council
endow
we
need
to.
K
Mr
chair
counselors,
yes,
we'd,
be
happy
to
review
that
during
our
annual
budget
process.
There's
one
other
key
item
that
kyle
did
mention
that
I
want
to
highlight
and
we
can
go
into
more
specifics
during
our
annual
budgeting
process.
That's
actually
the
concept
of
supplanting
so
since
we
are
currently
and
have
already
made
for
the
last
few
fiscal
years,
the
commitment
to
pay
two
ftes
out
of
our
general
fund,
the
feds.
K
If
we
were
then
to
request
that
either
kyle's
a
position
as
director
or
the
emergency
management
specialist
physician
be
paid
out
of
federal
funds.
That
is
what
the
feds
consider
supplanting,
and
that
is
what
is
not
allowed.
So,
since
the
city
has
already
made
that
commitment
to
pay
that
is
essentially
our
baseline
and
we
have
to
continue
that
commitment,
any
additional
federal
funds
would
be
could
be
used
for
additional
staff
or
additional
equipment
or
supplies
that
would
be
made.
B
Okay,
well-
and
this
is
why
I'd
like
to
have
these
discussions
at
mid-year
and
then
again
at
a
budget
with
this
specific
section
or
department
of
the
city,
because
that
we
do
have
access
to
grant
money.
But
then
you
can
also
put
yourself
in
a
position
where,
if
you
accept
the
grant,
you
may
be
agreeing
to
eventually
fund
the
entire
operation
or
position
or
whatever
the
grant
is
funding
out
of
your
general
fund
in
year,
two
or
three
or
whenever
the
grant
runs
out
so
yeah.
B
I
think
we
sometimes
this
is
a
small
department
in
a
small
area,
so
we
pass
through
it
real
quickly
when
we're
approving
the
budget,
and
then
we
have
situations
like
this
come
up
during
the
year
where,
like
council
lindell
said
it
feels
like
we're,
maybe
approving
expansion
of
positions
without
you
know
outside
of
our
budgeting
process.
So,
okay,
any
other
comments
or
concerns
from
the
committee
on
this
item.
B
I'll
move
for
approval
is
there
a
second
second?
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second
any
further
discussion.
Can
I
have
a
role
call
please.
B
B
Yes,
okay,
so
that
item's
been
approved.
That
brings
us
to
item
h,
which
is
a
resolution
hosting
community
conversations
and
establishing
a
special
city
committee
on
santa
fe's
cultures,
history's
art,
reconciliation
and
truth.
Now
we
have
a
couple
of
things
going
on
with
this.
First,
we
received
a
public
comment,
a
email
from
counselor
ron
trujillo,
who
is
also
the
president
of
caballeros
de
vargas.
B
When
we
get
started,
I
would
ask
miss
roy
ball
if
you
could
read
that
into
the
record
for
us
and
make
sure
that
all
of
the
finance
committee
and
members
of
the
governing
body
receive
the
email.
Mr
trujillo
took
the
time.
Counselor
trujillo
took
the
time
to
write
to
us.
I
think
it's
important
that
we
acknowledge
that,
and
we
take
a
minute
or
two
to
hear
what
he
has
to
say.
B
Then
I'd
like
to
get
into
the
budget
make
sure
we
cover
the
budget
that
miss
kamiyama
put
together
for
us,
since
we
are
the
finance
committee.
I
think
it's
very
important
that
we
take
time
to
take
a
look
at
that
budget
and
make
recommendations.
B
B
Then
we
will
consider
those
amendments
and
the
substitute
resolution
counselor
garcia,
has
joined
us
he's
got
a
couple
of
amendments.
I
think,
according
to
what
mr
guillen
passed
out,
if
there's
time
permitting
I'd
like
to
give
him
the
opportunity
to
present
what
I
think
are
his
two
amendments
and
then
we
can
hopefully
act
on
the
the
substitute
resolution
and
forward
it
on
to
the
council
for
tomorrow
evening.
So
miss
roy
ball.
E
E
Part
of
this
committee's
job
will
be
to
determine
the
fate
of
monuments
and
statues
throughout
the
city
of
santa
fe.
I
want
to
ensure
that
caballeros
de
vargas
have
a
seat
at
any
table
where
the
fate
of
the
statue
and
our
hispanic
culture,
history
and
traditions
are
discussed
to
ensure
that
our
concerns
are
heard
and
addressed.
E
Caballeros
de
vargas
mission
is
to
perpetuate
the
memory
of
captain
hannah
e
governor
and
we
are
committed
to
the
mission
and
will
continue
that
mission
here
in
our
beloved
santa
fe.
I
have
sent
a
letter
to
mayor
weber
asking
for
a
meeting
between
the
cavallos,
the
mayor
members
of
the
city
council,
city
manager
and
our
legal
staff.
E
What
I
and
many
are
concerned
about
this
new
resolution
is
now
is
now
the
new
group
is
open
to
anyone
and,
as
I
have
witnessed,
three
sisters
and
red
nation
organized
well
and
my
concern
is
that
they
will
again
ship
in
people
not
from
here
to
speak
in
these
meetings.
Thus,
once
again,
their
numbers
of
people
will
probably
outnumber
those
who
actually
have
skin
in
the
game.
E
Please
do
your
diligence
on
this
resolution
and
listen
to
all
counselors
and
their
concerns
as
one
who
served
for
12
years
on
the
council,
I
saw
firsthand
how
the
mayor
has
his
votes.
Thus,
any
opposition
can
be
easily
forwarded
off
by
the
majority,
and
thus
a
resolution
can
a
resolution
that
should
be
written
to
address.
All
concern
is
thus
passed
and
addresses
only
the
concerns
of
a
few
ronald
s,
trujillo
presidente
de
vargas.
B
Thank
you
miss
roy
ball
and
again
thank
you
councillor,
trujillo,
for
taking
the
time
to
reach
out
to
the
finance
committee.
The
next
item
is
a
draft
budget
for
the
resolution.
Ms
kamiyama,
can
you
please
present
the
budget
to
us?
I
believe
either
yourself
or
christine,
emailed
us
the
budget.
So
we
can
take
a
few
minutes.
B
L
B
L
Yes,
okay,
so
we'll
just
go
item
by
item
and
christine
and
I
will
address
any
questions
again.
This
is
a
draft
budget.
It
is
informed.
M
Yes,
can
you
expand
the
view
of
this
because
we
see
the
other
documents?
Is
there
a
way
to
do
full
screen
for
the
budget.
L
It's
informed
by
the
substitute
resolution
as
it
stands
now,
so
there's
an
understanding
that
the
budget
will
evolve
and
change
is
necessary,
but
the
main
focus
I
know
I
have
it
broken
down
into
two
main
categories:
one
is
the
actual
convenings
and
what
that
takes,
and
the
other
section
would
be
the
administration,
and
so
we
all
know
that
we
need
to
find
a
lead,
facilitator
or
coordinator
and
that
person
um's
task
to
be
with
the
city
project
team
is
to
look
at
how
to
formulate
and
design
the
community
dialogue
sessions.
Again.
L
L
L
That
will
also
help
work
with
the
city
team
to
to
to
develop
a
survey
and
then
again
all
the
reporting
out
meetings
with
the
city
team,
how
we're
going
to
design
the
community
solutions
table.
I
know
there's
been
a
lot
of
questions
with
that.
They'll
also
be
in
charge
of
taking
note,
taking
and
collecting
that
data,
so
the
stories
and
the
data
and
the
other
things
that
might
come
with
it
that
will
help
inform
the
community
solutions
table
and
eventually
to
the
governing
body.
L
In
addition,
I've
put
in
there
that
we're
looking
at
a
component
of
train
the
trainer,
because
I
anticipate
these
conversations
to
continue
on
they
just
don't
stop
after
a
year,
and
so
are
we
ready
and
prepared
to
continue
these
dialogues
and
these
types
of
engagement
and
to
do
so?
How
do
we
ensure
that
happens
with
training
of
community
facilitators
later
on?
L
So
I
have
one
budget
for
25
000
and
then
I
called
it
a
community
team
facilitators.
We
anticipate
50
sessions
or
fish,
let's
call
it
50
cohorts
and
each
cohort
consists
of
two
co-facilitators
and
then
three
three
sessions
as
it
stands
now.
L
So
that
is
the
training,
the
prep
the
materials
and
then
the
debriefing,
the
write-ups
to
facilitate
those
and
then
that's
a
very
that's.
The
meat
of
getting
a
lot
of
the
community
engagement
and
working
with
the
city
project
manager,
which
is
further
down
in
the
budget
also
called
out
for,
is
artist
activations,
a
minimum
of
at
least
two
that
could
expand
out.
I
put
in
there
a
placeholder
of
ten
thousand
for
an
activation
that
that
could
you
know
so
a
total
budget
of
twenty
thousand
again
a
draft
budget.
L
This
could
morph
and
change.
So
if
we
wanted
to
do
more
activations
for
let's
you
know
for
5000
throughout
the
city,
that's
an
option
as
well,
but
it
is
suggested
to
have
at
least
two
types
of
activations,
whether
they're
installations
and
or
virtual
or
a
combination
of
both
also
what's
very
important,
is
to
have
a
historical
overview,
and
so
that's
inviting
cultural
stakeholders
and
bearers,
as
well
as
historians,
to
talk
about
the
history
and
our
stories
as
a
grounding
baseline,
and
that
would
be
available.
L
I
think
to
everybody
through
a
webinar
or
like
a
zoom
type
presentation,
and
I
anticipate
five
folks
to
do
that
or
five
sessions.
It
could
be
a
combination
or
a
panel
discussion
or
one
person
doing
that.
So
again.
That
is
a
very
important
component.
L
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
scroll
down
and
talk
about
the
administration,
the
project
manager,
which
will
be
a
consultant
to
the
city
that
is
to
really
to
serve
as
a
liaison
between
the
city.
L
I
should
I
should
have
changes
from
committee
to
the
actual
to
the
facilitator
and
will
really
be
the
ones
helping
to
us
help
with
outreach
and
to
coordinate
we'll
also
be
in
charge
of
communications,
and
if
there's
more
questions
specific
to
that
I'll
have
christine
address
that
I'm
gonna
move
on
to
the
next,
but
that
the
the
consultant
to
the
city
is
a
major
component
for
us.
L
L
The
next
thing-
that's
really
important,
because
when
we
talk
about
culture
connects,
we
talked
about
accessibility
and
so
accessibility
means
many
things.
But
right
now
we're
focusing
in
on
language
translation
sign
language.
If
we
needed
american
sign
language,
we
also
needed
converted
into
materials
and
closed
captioning
and
other
things
like
that.
So
we
put
in
some
monies
for
that
and
then
also
included
towards
the
end.
What
is
the
writer
slash
editor
to
look
at
doing
our
reports
as
well
as
any
historical
overviews?
How
are
we
going
to
capture
that
data?
L
The
lead
facilitator
will
present
a
report
form,
but
then
that
gets
further
fleshed
out
into
several
reports
and
whatever
that
looks
like,
but
definitely
a
final
one
and
then
also
with
suggestions.
L
In
addition
to
that,
we
have
a
graphic
designer
looking
at,
and
I
just
put
design
up
three
types
of
designs,
but
that
could
also
include
any
flyers
or
anything
like
that
that
we
might
need,
and
then
the
printing
cost
for
that,
and
so
for
that
total
is
265
500
and
then,
if,
on
the
bottom,
two
sections
it's
desirable.
L
If
there's
budget-
and
of
course,
we
will
have
to
do
a
lot
of
fundraising,
both
private
and
public,
combined
as
a
partnership,
we
are
anticipating
and
appreciate
that
we
want
to
focus
in
on
in
person
if
it's
preferable
and
when
we
are
able
to
meet
in
person,
then
we
know
that
we
must
have
some
sort
of
refreshment
water,
snacks
things
like
that
and
also
child
care,
if
possible,
which
is
not
in
there.
L
But
I
think
we
can
do
that
under
a
different
line
item,
and
then
we
have
a
miscellaneous
advent
of
admin
materials
how
to
get
the
messaging
out
supplies
for
a
facilitation
team
and-
and
again
this
I
didn't
cast
the
chart
committee
members,
which
is
not
in
the
substitute
resolution
right
now.
So
that's
kind
of
it
in
a
nutshell,
gives
you
a
broad
overview
again.
It
is
a
draft
and
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
further
think
about
what
we're
missing.
What
needs
to
be
adjusted.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
pauline
for
presenting.
I
have
a
few
questions
on
the
budget.
One
thing
that
I
really
want
to
consider
looking
at
that,
I
think,
is
really
important.
Is
that,
as
we
are
gathering
this
data,
we
need
to
be
looking
at
the
correct
methods
of
evaluation
to
really
be
sure
that
we
are
mining,
the
appropriate
information
that
is
going
to
be
able
to
inform
decisions,
and
especially
since
so
much
of
this
is
conversation,
it's
going
to
be
interviews.
F
F
H
The
other
thing
on
that
point
on
that
point.
Yes,.
H
I
think
it's
a
good
one,
because
there'll
be
qualitative
and
quantitative
analysis
that
will
be
necessary,
and
I
think
the
question
that
I
don't
have
a
very
good
understanding
of
is
whether
we
have
that
expertise
within
city
government
or
whether
we'll
need
to
call
out
specific
money
in
the
budget
to
get
that
expertise.
So
I
think
that's
an
outstanding
question
that
needs
a
little
attention.
So
thank
you,
counselor
cassette
sanchez
for
bringing
that
up.
F
And
thank
you.
I
agree
that
if
we
already
have
it
somewhere
within
the
city,
absolutely
you
know,
let's
utilize,
the
resources
that
we
have
so
just
making
sure
that
there
is
either
a
staff
member
or
dollar
is
allocated
to
that
purpose.
F
I
would
like
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
the
the
need
for
a
project
manager
at
25,
000
and
why
this
is
not
something
that
would
be
covered
when
I'm
reading
the
description
of
what
those
activities
would
be.
It
sounds
like
something
that
should
it
would
be
covered
by
the.
What
are
we
calling
it?
The
city
project
team?
There
are
some
things
that
we
already
do,
such
as
creating
our
meetings.
F
You
know
communications
and
social
media
managing
budgets,
so
I
I
really
am
curious
why
we
have
allocated
dollars
for
that
position
as
opposed
to
utilizing
city
staff
time.
N
Council,
chair
abetha,
counselor,
cassette
sanchez,
I
can
go
ahead
and
start
and
then
pauline
can
further
clarify
if
need
be.
But
basically,
oh
thanks
and
the
screen
share
just
went
off
thanks,
colleen
the
thought
process
behind
that
is
again
we're.
This
is
a
huge
task
and
we
absolutely
recognize
the
commitment
to
the
community
and
to
the
process
and
so
having
a
person.
That's
designated
similar.
You
know
to
other
liaisons
for
committees
or
activities
really
having
an
individual
that
could
be
the
project
manager
for
this
was.
N
Neither
pauline
nor
myself
have
a
project
can
manager
within
our
departments
as
well,
and
so
using
a
contract
position
to
assist
with
all
of
this
in
oversight
was
really
something
that
we
felt
strongly
about
between
our
two
departments.
F
Okay,
thank
you
so
kind
of
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
we
don't
have
the
staff
to
cover
it,
which
is
a
pretty
a
pretty
common
conversation
that
I
feel
that
we
are
having
these
days
and
one
thing
that
you
know.
I
know
that
we've
been
bringing
up
a
lot
recently
and
some
of
the
concerns
about
looking
at
how
understaffed
we
are.
I
think
that
this
is
another
case
where
we
need
to
really
be
thinking
about,
especially
this
community
engagement
department.
As
we
are
developing
it.
F
What
do
we
really
want
it
to
do
and
what
staff
do
we
need,
and
you
know
christine
this
was
a
concern
that
we
had
of
of
putting
too
much
on
you
in
our
most
recent
conversations
about
the
merging
of
the
clerk's
office
and
community
engagement
director
position.
F
It
definitely
concerns
me
that
we
frequently
you
know
this
is
something
that
we
we
definitely
could
utilize
somebody
with
staff
and
staff
to
do
and
that
we
could
be
utilizing
for
other
things.
So
I
understand
right
now:
we
we
don't
have
the
staff
time,
but
I
suppose
this
is
more
to
my
fellow
governing
body
members
that,
as
we
are
looking
at
budget
and
as
we
are
looking
at
allocating
positions,
we
really
need
to
be
thinking
about
how
frequently
I
am
seeing
this
conversation
come
up
about
not
having
staff
time.
F
Okay,
the
next
one,
language,
accessibility.
I
see
spanish
and
american
sign
language
being
called
out.
I'm
curious
about
other
languages
that
have
been
thought
about.
Did
we
think
about
tayla?
Did
we
think
about
other
members
of
our
community
who
might
be
speaking
other
languages
who
would
like
to
participate,
and
would
we
be
able
to
have
flexibility
in
these
languages,
or
are
these
the
two
that
we
have
targeted
and
we
won't
have
to
be
able
to
expand
if,
if
the
need
does
arise,.
N
Counselor,
chair
abetha
and
counselor
cassette
sanchez.
No
there's
there
is
flexibility
again.
This
was
kind
of
just
a
draft
to
highlight
that
we
recognized
the
need
for
translation
services,
and
these
were
the
two
that
we
used
for
examples,
but
I
absolutely
we
can
modify
and
say
as
necessary
or
if
there's
other
languages
that
come
up.
That
would
request
that.
F
Okay,
wonderful
and
I
think
that,
as
part
of
as
we
are
communicating
to
the
community
about
participating
of
of
letting
them
know
that
if
there
are
some
language
barriers
to
reach
out
to
us
to
make
sure
that
people
don't
self-select
out,
because
they
think
that
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
understand
which,
of
course,
you
know
begs
the
question:
how
do
we
communicate
this
message
out,
which
I
know
is
something
that
we've
been
working
hard
on
and
spanish
is
absolutely
a
big
one
and
we've
spoken
of
that
frequently
graphic
designer.
N
K
N
Do
you
right
sorry?
Yes,
sir
counselor
chair,
veda,
counselor,
cassette
sanchez?
Yes,
yes,
we
do,
and
hopefully
we'll
utilize
those
services,
but
also
for
additional
services
in
council
cassette
sanchez.
I
think
just
to
further
articulate
a
point
that
you've
highlighted
is
there.
This
was
our
first
attempt
at
it,
but
also
recognizing
that
this
project
was
not
something
that
we
were
able
to
include
in
our
budget
originally
or
anticipated,
as
our
normal
workload.
N
Kind
of
you
know.
Obviously
this
has
come
about
in
between
the
budget
seasons
for
fiscal
years,
and
so
that's
why
some
of
these
are
in
that.
I
think
if
it
was
a
project
or
ongoing
activities,
there
might
be
some
other
discussions
taking
place,
but
I
do
want
to
recognize
that
some
of
the
draft
budget
is
helping
us
add
some
capacity,
because
this
was
unanticipated
in
many
ways.
F
Yeah
yeah
yeah,
thank
you
for
that
christine.
That
is
very
true
that
it
came
up
in
between
and
while
there
are
a
lot
of
things
happening.
I
guess
that
is
one
of
my
questions
that,
as
we
as
we
move
forward
with
the
community
engagement
department,
is
again
looking
at
that.
F
What
do
we
really
want
that
to
look
like,
and
and
is
there
going
to
be
need
as
we
move
forward
with
with
improving
our
engagement,
and
you
know,
world
will
be
sustained
need
for
potentially
actual
positions
here,
child
care,
I
love
the
mention
of
that.
So
thank
you.
I
really
wanted
to
call
out
that
you
recognize
that
that
is
a
barrier
for
so
many
individuals,
especially
if
we
move
back
to
in
person.
F
F
City
government
that
you
can
more
easily
con
engage
with
by
having
virtual
as
well
as
in
person,
so
something
else
to
think
about
too
that
we
might.
F
Who
knows
what
the
world's
going
to
look
like,
but
but
things
to
think
about
there.
And
then
this
is
a
question
for
mary
and
I'm
sorry,
if
I
missed
it
somewhere,
but
where,
where?
Where
are
these
dollars
coming
from.
K
Mr
chair
counselor,
that's
a
great
question
at
this
time.
If
this
passes
on
wednesday
past
his
governing
body,
what
we
will
be
doing
is-
and
we
are
currently
identifying
where
we
have
capacity
within
the
fy
21
budget
that
was
approved.
So
if
this
passes
on
wednesday,
we
will
be
bringing
forward
a
budget
adjustment
for
a
vote
to
council
to
identify
the
amount
of
funding
to
support
these
items
that
you
all
are
discussing
tonight
as
part
of
the
budget.
K
So
the-
and
we
look
forward
to
at
that
point
about
five
five
and
a
half
months
of
a
fiscal
year,
and
we
know
that
this
again,
if
this
passes
on
wednesday,
we
will.
This
is
also
something
we
will
have
to
factor
into
the
fy
22
budget
when
we
bring
it
forward
for
your
consideration
in
the
spring.
H
H
H
F
Yeah,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
councilmember
worth.
I
I
of
course,
would
very
much
encourage
us
to
be
looking
for
those
dollars
considering
we
all
know
where
we
were
this
past
fiscal
year
and-
and
we
know
that
you
know
we're-
definitely
not
out
of
the
woods
we're
still
in
the
middle
of
them.
So
mary,
my
understanding
so
about
five
and
a
half
months,
we'd
be
finding
from
the
fy
21
budget
somewhere,
and
then
we
would
have
to
allocate
the
additional
six
and
a
half
months.
F
We
do
that
math
right
from
from
the
fy
22
budget.
Is
that
correct.
F
Okay,
those
are
all
my
questions
on
the
the
budget.
So
thank
you
all
for
for
bringing
this
draft
budget
forward
to
us.
I
think
it's
really
helpful
to
have
it
here
to
discuss
it,
especially
as
you
know,
we
still
have
some
opportunities
before
the
final
vote
and
you
know,
as
pauline
mentioned
many
times.
F
I
do
appreciate
the
understanding
of
the
fluidity
of
this
process,
and
you
know
I
think
that
that's
something
in
councillor
via
arielle's
amendment
she
mentions
bringing
forward
some
reports
to
city
council
and
I
think
the
budget
piece
would
be
one
that
I
would
either
want
to
see
as
part
of
those
reports
to
council
or
even
if
it's
you
know
some
coming
to
the
finance
committee
is
that's
our
duty.
So
thank
you.
M
M
Did
you
think
about?
Maybe
the
lead,
facilitator
or
coordinator
hiring
someone
themselves
to
help
with
the
project
management
so
that
they
would
be
kind
of
in
charge
and
working
regularly
with
the
person,
so
that
staff
wouldn't
have
to
necessarily
manage
that
person.
M
So
say
you
would
up
the
amount
for
the
facilitator
amount
and
then
they
would
utilize
whatever
amount
they
want
to
to
have
a
project
manager.
That
would
do
the
support
the
liaison
aspect,
or
is
there
another
point
to
the
project
manager
that
you
wanted
it
to
be
independent
and
separate
from
the
facilitator.
L
Chair
and
councilwoman
villarreal,
I
think
I
like
that
it
could
be
a
combination,
so
this
the
city
lies
on
because
there
is
so
much.
L
L
Definitely
they
would
be
working
on
coordination
and
christine
can
you
know
flush
this
out
a
little
bit
more
as
far
as
the
communication
and
the
messaging
of
how
we're
going
to
do
engagement
versus
how
we're
going
to
do
the
outreach-
and,
let's
say
recruitment,
of
participants
and
organizations,
and
that's
going
to
have
to
be
a
really
combined
effort-
and
I
christine,
I
think,
if
you
have
anything
to
add
to
that.
N
Thanks
pauline,
no,
I
I
agree
it's
it's
definitely
something
to
consider,
and
I
hope
that
we'll
find
somebody
we
all
can
can
work
with,
but
I
think
just
knowing
how
closely
we'll
be
working
with
members
of
the
city
team.
It
was
important
but
definitely
can
be
a
shared
role.
M
Yeah,
just
throwing
that
out
there
in
case
you
want
to
minimize
the
amount
of
management
of
individuals
and
focus
on
their
team
and
then
have
them
kind
of
coordinate
in
their
own
in
their
own
right.
But
that's
just
a
thought,
and
it
also
made
me
think
that
the
lead
facilitator
that
25k
wasn't
enough,
but
I
think
it'll
depend
on
how
maybe
they
organize
their
team
for
the
for
the
coordinator.
M
K
M
And
I
would
I
I
think,
just
for
clarity
purposes.
It
would
help
to
move
the
50
to
the
description
because
it
said
it
looks
like
you
would
hire
50
coordinate
sorry,
50
team
facilitators
when
you
look
at
quantity,
so
maybe
there's
a
better
way
to
explain
that
that
you
would
have
50
sessions,
but
you're
really
looking
at
two
facilitators
co-facilitators
and
I
am
assuming
they
get
paid
each
time
they
do
a
breakout
session.
L
Am
I
on
me,
okay,
thank
you,
chair
councilwoman.
It
is
if
we
have
so
per
cohort,
which
is
three
sessions
that
the
total
cost
in
that
is
going
to
be
about
2500
per
cohort,
and
so
there
will
be
more
than
just
two
facilitators.
There's
a
lead,
facilitator
and
then
a
whole
team
of
other
facilitators.
L
So
let's
say,
there's
20
facilitators
and
then
we
compare
or
the
lead
facilitator
will
pair
them
up
and
mix
them
up
as
it
goes,
but
it
so.
I
don't
know
how
to
more
clearly.
M
When
I
look
at
this,
it
looks
like
50
coordinators
right
facilitators
because
you're
doing
by
quantity,
but
just
the
thought
of
that,
because
that
was
confusing
to
me.
I
realized
that
you
would
have
more
facilitators
they're
just
trying
to
figure
out
how
that
would
work.
So
maybe
just
clarify
that
in
some
way
in
the
description
on.
B
H
Is
it
possible
like
to,
I
think
you
know
the
number
we'd
probably
need
to
hire
somewhere
between
five
to
ten?
Is
that
right?
So
couldn't
you
just
say
five
to
ten
and
then
try
to
do
an
estimation
of
how
many
cohorts
they'd
be
facilitating,
and
that
would
be
the
cost
of
that
five
to
ten
team
of
facilitators
underneath
the
lead
facilitator,
because
it
it's
probably
a
moving
target,
we
don't
know
right.
It
depends
on
our
participation
levels.
M
So
yeah,
if
we
could
just
clarify
that
line
item,
that
would
be
helpful.
I
think
it's
great
that
you're
providing
historical
overview
with
historic
historians
that
would
get
I'm
assuming
stipends
to
participate
so
that
that's
great.
M
For
the
languages,
accessibility,
just
to
clear
clarify,
I
did
agree
there.
There
may
be
a
need
for
taiwa
translation.
I
did
want
to
clarify
that
we
need
to
add
in
not
just
translation
but
interpretation,
so
I'd
rather
us.
Those
are
two
separate
things.
Translation
is
the
written
form
or
the
text,
and
the
interpretation
is
actually
for
people
that
are
participating
either
in
person
or
virtually
so
just
to
make
sure
we
add
that
in
and
then
yes
to
child
care
for
sure.
If
we're
able
to
meet
in
person.
M
M
I
just
want
to
reiterate
thinking
about
the
project
management
in
partnership
with
the
lead
facilitator
and
how
that
team
will
look
and
less
management
on
your
part
as
city
staff,
although
we
know
that
you'll
be
combining
efforts
and
you
need
each
other
and
there'll
be
a
lot
of
coordination
there,
but
I
just
think
it
might
be
easier
on
your
part
to
have
them
form
a
facilitation
team
and
the
project
management
would
fit
into
that,
and
then
it
would
be
less
kind
of
on
your
plate
in
terms
of
managing
individuals.
B
Thank
you,
council
remember
worth.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
I
just
have
one
thing
I
want
to
discuss,
which
is-
and
this
did
come
up
last
night
in
terms
of
how
we
will
communicate
with
the
public
and
the
council
about
the
progress
of
the
work
that
goes
on
throughout
the
year
and
from
our
albuquerque
neighbors.
They
had
talked
about
the
fact
that
they
set
up
a
website
and
added
content
throughout
the
process.
H
Just
wondering
you
know,
I
I
think
websites
these
days
can
be
created
fairly
inexpensively,
and
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
talent
in-house
to
help.
Do
that,
but
has
have
you
given
any
thought
to
what
that
would
cost
and
and
how
we
allow
for
that
to
happen,
because
I
think
it'll
be
a
really
important
communication
tool.
N
N
So
I
anticipated
that
to
really
be
something
that
we
could
handle
completely
in-house
and,
if
necessary,
with
a
little
bit
of
assistance,
but
it
is
something
that
we
have
on
our
list
of
items
for
communication
tools
as
well
as
social
media,
I'll
just
toss
that
in
while
we're
on
the
topic,
so
we
do
plan
on
using
both
of
those
but
again
utilizing
an
internal
resources
to
address
both
of
those,
because
we'll
already
have
the
content
creation.
B
Okay,
any
other
questions
regarding
the
budget
from
the
committee.
F
Well,
I
christine
that
was
really
helpful
to
hear
a
little
bit
again
for
me
kind
of
understanding
the
project
manager
piece
to
hear
a
little
bit
about
what
we
envision
our
city
team
doing.
So
that
might
be
something
that
I'd
want
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
either.
If
you
have
some
information
now
or
or
tomorrow,
just
understanding
what
that
looks
like
from
an
internal
perspective
here.
N
Absolutely
counselor
chair
bathroom
counselor,
cassette
sanchez,
I'm
happy
to
discuss
a
little
bit
more.
We
can
absolutely
pre
some
information
for
tomorrow
night,
but
yes,
trying
to
look
at
ways
that
we
would
integrate
a
bit
with
the
city.
The
primaries,
I
think
areas
would
be
in
the
ways
we
push
out
communication
so
utilizing
our
city
website,
but
creating
a
special
link
or
redirect
so
that
we'd
have
a
specific
url,
but
we'd
still
have
the
ability
to
edit
content
immediately
and
in
house.
N
That's
really
important
for
us.
So
that's
one
of
the
ways
that
we'll
use
internal
staff,
similar
with
social
media,
we'll
probably
use
some
of
our
you
know.
I
mostly
handle
social
media
with
michaela
on
our
team
and
so
again
having
the
content
creation
helps
us
be
able
to
leverage
our
internal
capacity
a
bit
more
because
it's
a
really
consistent
message
and
then
we'll
be
able
to
use
some
of
our
city,
social
media
channels.
N
Of
course,
if
the
council
would
like
information
in
their
newsletters,
we
absolutely
will
include
some
of
those
tools
and
outlets
as
well,
but
making
sure
that,
at
least
on
our
side
we're
making
our
communication
very
interwoven
between
what
we
have,
even
in
press
releases,
going
out
on
the
city
side
and
using
again
our
own
tools.
N
So
I
see
a
lot
of
it
in
our
communication
pieces
and
then
pauline
and
I
are
working
on
ways
that
we
would
continue
to
use
kind
of
our
own
capacities
to
further
those
thank
you
christine
that
was
that
was
helpful,
absolutely
counselor
beth.
If
I
could
just
one
quick
comment
before
I
pop
off,
I
just
really
want
to
tell
the
council.
I
appreciate
your
feedback
on
this
pauline
and
I
you
know,
came
with
a
draft
and
very
much
appreciative
of
the
discussion
and
just
the
feedback.
N
It's
really
helpful
as
we
develop
to
make
sure
that
we
know
areas
that
are
important
to
the
council
and
supportive
and
then
also
just
the
feedback
is
very
beneficial,
at
least
for
me
to
hear
so.
Thank
you
so
much.
B
Thank
you
christina,
and
on
that
note
I
think
the
communication
piece.
What
I'd
like
to
see
is
that
the
public
can
contact
the
city
and
doesn't
have
to
figure
out
who
the
project
manager
is
or
what
companies
doing
this
or
what
I
think
if
you're
a
member
of
the
public,
you
should
be
able
to
contact
the
city
either
telephone
email
or
in
person
and
get
all
the
information
you
need
on
what's
happening
and
how
they
participate.
B
So
I
would
expect
that
your
office
would
be
it
would
that
would
be
real
prominent
with
our
information
if
you
want,
if
you're
looking
for
information
regarding
chart,
here's
who
you
contact
or
you
email
and
we
respond
immediately
because
it
could
be
confusing
like
who's
in
charge,
especially
when
we
are
dealing
with
project
managers
from
the
outside
or
facilitators.
So,
thank
you.
Okay.
Then,
let's
go
ahead
and
talk
about
the
substitute
resolution
in
itself
and
specifically
counselor
viral's
amendment,
so
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
counselor
via
rail.
M
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
So
last
night
I
just
said
this
briefly,
but
you
know
the
original
resolution.
M
I
think
we
all
struggled
with
in
terms
of
the
language
and
the
flow
and
the
process,
and
that
was
why
there
were
so
many
amendments
that
came
forth
to
the
original
resolution,
and
I
was
happy
to
see
that
this
substitute
resolution,
which
the
concept
itself
is
not
a
new
concept.
I
believe
counselor
garcia,
garcia,
actually
brought
this
up
months
ago
of
the
process
that
was
happening
in
albuquerque.
M
So
I'm
I'm
glad
we're
looking
at
this
possibility
as
a
model
that
we
could
use.
I
think
this
particular
the
the
substitute
resolution
is
less
top-down
focused.
There
is
more
focus
on
how
the
community
dialogue
piece
is
like
the
first
and
foremost
component
to
really
getting
to
the
issues
on
the
table
and
and
where
people
are
coming
from.
So
I
think
that
that's
important
and
my
amendments
are
based
on
or
really
focus
on,
trying
to
clarify
the
process
and
some
aspects
that
I
thought
were
not
clear
to
me.
M
It
was
also
based
on
some
public
input
that
we
received
via
email
and
also
from
input
from
some
of
my
colleagues
that
expressed
concerns
last
night
in
public
works
committee.
So
I
don't
know
if
it's
the
best.
What's
the
best
way
to
go
through
this,
I
have
the
marked
up
track
changes
in
front
of
me
that
all
of
you
also
received.
B
Councilman
verriel,
yes,
I
received
the
the
your
amendments
and
I
didn't
have
any
problems
with
them,
but
so
I
guess
maybe,
let's
start
by
raise
your
hand
if
you
want
to
talk
about
a
specific
amendment
and
that's
how
we'll
handle
it,
because
maybe
we
can
get
through
it
without
you
having
to
go
through
every
single
one.
So,
let's
start
with
councilwoman
romero
worth.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
councilwoman
vrael
for
putting
this
together.
I
don't
have
problems
with
most
of
it,
though.
The
one
thing
I
am
concerned
about
is
the
amendment
about
providing
quarterly
updates
to
the
council,
and
while
I
have
no
problem
with
us,
getting
those
updates-
and
I
think
quarterly
sounds
reasonable,
and
I
think
you
know-
we've
talked
about
a
website
to
help
upload
content
as
it
becomes
available
in
making
sure
we're
communicating
where
we
are
in
in
the
create
in
the
implementation
of
this
structure.
H
I
I
am
concerned
that
the
the
the
content
of
what
comes
to
the
council
should
be
process
and
not
what
is
it
counselor,
cassette
sanchez
and
not
substance
right
process,
not
content,
okay,
so
process,
not
content,
and
I
just
want
to
see
if
you
would
be
willing
to.
I
think
your
your
language
is
written,
slides
a
little
bit
into
content
and
I'd
like
to
make
sure
that
we
keep
it
process
oriented,
and
I
I
would
just
in
my
meetings
with
folks
in
albuquerque.
H
They
really-
and
I
think
there
is
something
I
think
I
shared
with
you
about
how
you
know
they
didn't
want.
They
wanted
to
keep
it
process
oriented
like
you
know
how
many
people
have
we
reached
out
to
how
many
community
dialogue
cohorts.
Have
we
completed
how
many
more
in
the
queue?
What
kind
of
that
kind
of
thing,
I
think,
is
fine
but
emerging
themes
that
are
coming
out
of
that
community-centered
dialogue?
I
think
we
want
to
let
that
be
and
let
it
really
blossom
without
our
interference.
H
So
I
I
just
would
ask
that
we
tweak
that
language
a
little
bit
to
make
sure
that
we
stay
process
focused
on
those
reports.
B
Okay
and
just
for
the
clarification
we're
talking
about
page
four,
a
I
believe
line
17,
it
would
be
a
new
insert
a
further
resolved,
insert
right,
correct,
okay,
all
right
councilman,
v
royale.
What
are
your
thoughts?
Yeah.
M
I
was
really
wanting
more
updates,
quarterly
updates
on
their
progress,
like
how
many
people
had
been
participating
and-
and
I
said
this
after
each
community
dialogue
round
and
major
engagement
session,
because
I
would
I
would
like
to
know
how
many
people
participated
and
how
those
are
going
just
generally
so.
M
With
so
what
what
would
we
I
mean?
I'm
open
suggestions
for
this.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
minimum
of
quarterly
progress.
We
kind
of
hear
from
the
facilitation
team
and
and
project
team
about
how
things
are
progressing,
especially
I
mean
my
biggest
concern
is
really
making
sure
that
we're
reaching
the
people
we
need
to
reach
and
that
it's
diverse
and
that
there's
not
the
usual
suspects
that
always
want
have
time
to
participate
in
community
engagement
activities,
but
people
that
actually
have
not
just
a
vested
interest
but
they're
stakeholders.
M
H
Mr
chair
and
counselor
what
I
would
do
is
it
right
now
I
I
would
have
it
read
something
like
be
it
further
resolved
that
the
governing
governing
body
will
be
provided
at
a
minimum,
quarterly
progress
reports
to
be
informed
about
participation,
levels
and
activities
that
have
been
undertaken.
H
And
I
would
be
okay
with
that
language
be
informed
about
participation
levels
and
what
act.
This
is
straight
from
what
you
already
have,
I'm
just
deleting
a
little
bit
to
be
informed
about
participation,
levels
and
activities
that
have
been
undertaken,
got
it,
and
and
if
that
language
were
what
was
being
put
forward,
I
could
support
that.
M
H
And
I
think
that
the
point
is
is
that
there
may
be
lots
of
activities
that
are
going
on,
but
every
time
an
activity
happens,
they
don't
have
to
run
and
tell
us
about
it,
but
quarterly.
We
would
like
to
know
what
progress
has
been
made
in
implementing
this
process.
This
structure,
this
community-centered
structure
and.
H
H
That,
mr
chair,
that's
all
that's
the
only
thing
I
I'm
okay.
With
most
of
these
changes,
I
think
you
know
it.
They
are
mostly
language
changes,
tightening
of
of
of
some
of
the
clauses,
and
I
don't
have
a
problem
other
than
that.
B
F
I
know
my
my
comment
was
the
same
as
council
romero
worth
on,
making
sure
that
we're
looking
at
process,
not
content
in
those
updates,
and
I
yeah.
I
want
to
thank
councilwoman
viettario
for
bringing
this
amendment
forward.
I
do
think
that
it
did
clarify
a
lot
of
areas.
There
were
some
that
that
I
thought
read
a
lot
better
and
there
were
some
that
I
didn't
realize
that
it
needed
to
read
better
until
you
presented
something
better.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
that
and
I
do
support
this
amendment.
B
Thank
you,
counselor
lindell.
No,
I'm
fine
with
it.
Okay
counselor
via
royale.
Is
there
anything
else,
you'd
like
to
add.
M
I
I
have
well,
I
think
counselor
metaworth
has
more.
I
I
just
wanted
to
clarify.
N
M
B
H
Right
and
and
thank
you
and
I'm
sorry,
I
just
was
scrolling
through
this
again,
the
other.
The
only
other
thing
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
all
in
agreement
on
is
is
the
change
on
page
three.
H
It
would
be
lines
13
through
15,
where
it
talks
about
the
interviews,
mirroring
the
guiding
questions
and
prompts
utilized
in
the
community
dialogues
and
community
survey,
and
I
I
guess
I
I
seek
your
thoughts
on
this
when
I
met
this
afternoon
with
dr
sanchez
from
albuquerque,
and
I
talked
to
her
directly
about
this
question.
I
I
think
this
is
a
good
change.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
she
talked
about
their
experience
and
when
they
were
interviewing
people
they.
H
Certainly,
though,
the
questions
mirrored
you
know
the
different
processes,
because
what
we're
doing
here
is
is
creating
different
ways
for
people
to
participate
in
the
process,
but
in
the
interviews,
sometimes,
they
went
beyond
and
what
might
have
been
provided
in
a
survey
or
in
the
community
dialogue
sessions.
And
I
think
it's
because
of
the
nature
of
those
interviews
when
you're
one-on-one
with
somebody,
and
these
would
be
people
who
would
be
sought
out,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
we
capture
their
story.
H
We
want
to
make
sure
we
capture
their
thoughts
and
it'll
be
part
of
the
context.
Contextualizing
our
histories
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
this
language
isn't
going
to
preclude
an
interviewer
from
from
from
going
beyond
what.
Maybe
you
would
capture
in
a
survey
or
a
community
dialogue
because
of
the
nature
of
the
interview.
M
Thank
you,
councilwoman
rometoworth.
I
think
that's
a
good
point
and
I
think
that
that
will
always
be
the
case,
but
I,
but
we
do
need
to
have
guiding
questions
and
prompts
that
are
consistent
between
the
one-on-one
interviews,
the
community
dialogues
and
community
survey,
which
I'm
hearing
they
did
that
there
is
a
consistency.
But
if
it
goes
beyond
that
and
there's
more
storytelling
and
more
in-depth
conversation,
that
happens
absolutely
that's
important.
M
We
can
track
it
better
in
terms
of
the
qualitative
and
and
quantitative
aspects
of
data
collection.
So
that
was
why
I
added
that
there
should
be
consistency
if
there's
another
way
to
say
that
I
really
just
wanted
it
to
be
consistent,
that
the
guiding
questions
and
prompts
are
followed
in
individual
interview,
interviews
and
community
dialogues
and
the
survey.
H
Yeah-
and
I
I
I
don't
disagree
with
that-
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
precluding
that
ability,
and
so
I
don't
know
as
as
any
of
you
look
at
this
language,
if
there's
a
suggestion
about
how
to
make
sure
that
it's
not
just
you
know
the
same
things
in
each
thing
and
that's
all
you
can
do
you
know
and
maybe
just
bringing
it
up
here
is
one
way
to
to
say
you
know
we
want
more,
but
if,
if
the
situation
provides
it,
so
I
I
don't
know
if
there
I
don't,
I
don't
have
a
recommendation
as
the
problem,
but
I
I
agree
with
you
generally
speaking,
so
thank
you,
chair.
B
M
I
have
other
questions
that
I
wanted
to
ask,
but
in
terms
of
my
amendments
in
regards
to
the
discussion
last
night,
the
piece
about
having
community
dialogue
sessions
with
organizations
on
page
two
line,
it's
between
seven
and
ten-
that
be
it
further
resolve,
talked
about
the
project
team
and
they
will
facilitate
the
convening
of
community
dialogue
sessions
with
organizations
and,
as
appropriate,
a
number
of
community
dialogue
sessions
open
to
community
members
who
may
or
may
not
be
affiliated
with
a
particular
community
organization.
M
L
M
The
other
were
just
language
changes
to
clarify
process
and
conducting
these
engagements
activities
with
artists
that
the
community
survey
would
be
conducted
in
multiple
language
in
a
in
an
equitable
manner.
And
so
I'm
hoping
that
the
budget
will
afford
a
professional
person
that
actually
knows
how
to
formulate.
M
Surveys
and
then,
let's
see
anything
else,
I
think.
M
The
only
other
thing
I
added
is
down
below
on
page
four,
that
it
talks
about
how
the
governing
body
would
participate
in
diversity
and
inclusion
training.
I
did
add
that
the
governing
body
and
the
city
project
team
would
participate
in
diversity
and
inclusion,
training,
either
individually
or
in
small
groups,
in
order
to
have
a
better
understanding
of
implicit
biases
as
it
relates
to
this
community
engagement
process
and
beyond.
So
it's
just
trying
to
link
it
back
to
this
process
and
that,
obviously,
that
training
will
go
beyond
just
this
community
engagement
process.
M
So
I
think
that's
important
and
just
on
a
point
that
council
garcia
brought
up
last
night,
he
talked
about
how
that
particular
kind
of
training
should
be
afforded
to
more
than
just
the
governing
body,
and
I
just
wanted
to
iterate
that
I've
been
since
I've
been
on.
Council
have
been
asking
for
anti-bias
or
in
this
case
diversity.
Inclusion,
trainings
for
our
staff,
entire
staff
of
the
city,
including
the
governing
body.
Since
I
started
on
council-
and
we
still
have
not
been
able
to
implement
that
in
a
way
that
I
think
has
been
really
direct.
M
So
that
is
something
that
I
have
planted
the
seed
way
long
ago,
and
I
just
want
to
note
that
that's
something
that
I
want
us
to
continue
thinking
about,
not
in
in
terms
of
just
this
process,
but
how
we
need
it
internally
and
for
our
staff
to
be
able
to
provide
more
to
see
things
from
a
more
global
or
world
view.
M
I
think
it's
very
important
for
for
us
to
progress
in
our
in
in
the
way
we
do
business
and
the
way
we
interact
with
the
public
that
the
that
that
kind
of
training
is
is
crucial,
so
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there,
because
I
know
there
was
a
comment
about
that.
Last
night,.
H
That
point
something
that
came
out
in
a
conversation
I
had
with
dr
sanchez
in
albuquerque
this
afternoon
morning
today,
whenever
I
saw
a
blur
the
one
thing
that
she
also
mentioned-
and
I
don't
know
that
we
need
to
call
it
out,
but
I
will
just
say
it
here,
for
pauline
and
and
for
christine,
as
as
they
think
about
the
city
project
team
and
how
we
do
this
work
is
that
we
might
also
want
to
provide
opportunities
for
the
governing
body
individually
or
in
small
groups
to
participate
in
what
it
in
these
communities
not
not
participate
in
the
community
dialogue
session
with
the
community
members,
but
maybe
amongst
ourselves,
or
you
know,
with
our
own
group
of
friends
or
whatever
have
that
opportunity
just
so
we
have
a
sense
of
what's
happening
in
those
community
dialogue
sessions,
and
maybe
we
get
some
of
that
same
wisdom.
H
That
will
come
through
those
conversations.
So
I
I
don't
want
to
call
it
out
here
in
the
resolution,
but
I
I
just
think
you
know
for
us
to
to
have
that
experience
on
our
own
might
end
separate
from
the
community,
because
again
this
is
a
community-centered
process.
I
want
the
community
to
to
not
be
influenced
by
our
presence
in
the
room.
H
B
Okay,
anything
else
from
the
committee
as
part
of
the
as
part
of
the
amendments,
I
saw
that
councilor
garcia.
There
are
two
amendments,
language
amendments
that
were
included
in
a
substitute
red
line
that
jesse
gian
provided
to
us
councilor
garcia.
Did
you
want
to
talk
about
those
two
amendments.
D
D
So
the
sentence
will
now
read,
whereas
the
city
understands
the
urgent
call
to
action
by
call
to
action
to
discuss
the
city's
cultural
histories
and
current
viewpoints
to
seek
solutions
for
a
future
of
peace,
and
this
is
where
I've
included.
Language,
tolerance,
racial
equity,
social
justice
and
the
rest
is
previous
language,
and
the
second
part
of
the
amendment
is
to
include
language
on
page
five
line:
seven
and
adding
the
language
on
line
seven
for
a
future
of
peace,
and
then
I
include
tolerance
of
racial
equity
and
social
justice.
D
B
Okay,
are
we
ready
to
act
on
the
on
the
substitute,
councilwoman
viral.
M
Thank
you.
I
I
do
agree
with
counselor
garcia's
changes.
I
I
think
they
clarify
the
language.
I
I
did
have
a
couple
questions
that
you
probably
saw
on
the
markup
that
came
forth.
The
you
probably
saw
the
comments
I
made
that
I
had
questions
on
so
I
think,
should
I
bring
them
up
now
I
mean,
even
though
we've
gone
through
the
amendments.
I
I
just
have
questions
on
process
for
certain
sections
that
I
would
like
to
hear
from
either
staff
or
my
colleagues
about
how
this
will
work.
B
M
Get
help
to
talk
about
it
tonight
so
that,
if
there's
potential
for
any
language
changes
or
amendments
that
that
will
happen
for
tomorrow's
meeting,
you
know
we've
had
conversations
about
the
community
solutions
table
and
how
it's
established
and
on
page
three
we
it
says
at
the
beginning
of
that
section
or
no
line
14.
It
says
the
community
solutions
table
will
be
established
to
include
representatives
who
have
participated
in
all
three
community
dialogue
sessions.
M
How
do
we
mitigate
that
and
make
sure
that
that
we're,
including
people
that
do
have
perspectives,
that
would
be
important
on
the
community
solutions
table,
but
they
weren't
able
to
participate
in
all
three
community
dialogue
sessions.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Thank
you,
council,
via
real,
so
this
process
on
purpose
creates
a
structure
for
how
you
get
to
participate
in
the
community
solutions
table.
H
You
have
to
complete
all
three
community
dialogue
sessions
and
they
are
facilitated
and
they
are
meant
to
create
buy-in,
to
create,
to
build
trust
and
to
broaden
the
perspectives
of
of
the
folks
who
go
through
that
process,
so
that
they
are
in
the
best
possible
position
to
sit
at
the
community
solutions
table
and
think
about
what
our
next
steps
are
as
a
community
to
go
forward.
H
As
as
we
contemplate
in
this
resolution,
I
think
the
reason
why
we
also
provide
for
surveys
and
for
interviews
is
that
you
know,
let's
say
we
have
say
an
older
member
of
our
community,
who
we
really
value
the
wisdom
and
the
life
experience
that
they
have
had,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
voice
and
that
story
is
captured
because,
again
part
of
what
we're
doing
in
this
community
dialogue
sessions
is
capturing
our
collective
stories
and
we
will
be
able
to
use
those
in
a
multitude
of
ways
as
as
we
contextualize
our
our
histories
and
so
our
collective
history.
H
And
so
I
I
think
that
that's
how
if
there's
a
particular
person
in
our
community
that
you
want
to
make
sure
we
hear
their
story
and
also
what
they
think
about
their
values,
our
shared
values
and
their
ideas
for
how
we
move
forward.
Then
you
know
that's
what
those
interview
processes
are
really
designed
to
do,
and,
and
also
the
surveys
are
a
quick
way
to
get
other
input
from
people
who
may
be
too
busy
to
invest
their
time
in
the
process.
H
I
will
tell
you
that
in
albuquerque,
apparently
they
had
about
100
people
as
my
understanding
who
completed
the
three
community
dialogue
sessions.
But
then,
when
it
came
down
to
participating
in
the
in
the
community
table,
only
about
50
of
them
did,
and
so
we
could
have
that
situation
as
well,
but
what
they
said
and
and
the
and
the
the
ideas
that
were
provided
for
at
the
community
dialogue
sessions.
H
I
mean
their
their
participation
was
not
lost
just
because
they
didn't
participate
in
the
the
community
table,
because
what
they
said
during
the
dialogue
sessions
was
captured
and
was
part
of
what
was
compiled
for
for
contextualizing
our
histories
and
also
for
concept
contextualizing,
our
history
and
also
for
talking.
You
know
for
consideration
by
the
community
table
for
possible
solutions.
H
I
agree,
and
I
think
some
of
that
will
be
incumbent
on
us
taking
the
time
that's
required
by
this
process.
Certainly
one
of
the
things
that
they
said
in
albuquerque
is
they
wish
they
had
had
more
time
to
get
conveners,
and
I
think
you
know
we
will
the
project
team
will
see.
I
mean
if
it's
starting
to
look
too
skewed
towards,
let's
say
retirees
who
have
a
lot
of
time.
H
Then
they're
gonna
have
to
double
back
and
make
sure
that
they're
doing
you
know
what
needs
to
be
done
to
to
get
rid
of
the
barriers
for
folks
to
participate
in
the
process.
H
It
was
pointed
out
to
me
that
you
know
basically
we're
this
is
representative
democracy,
we're
creating
a
community
centered
process,
and
you
know
what
come
out
participate,
lend
your
voice
we're
asking
for
it.
We
need
it,
and-
and
people
you
know,
have
to
have
to
invest
in
the
community
so
and-
and
we
I
think,
can
help
by
offering
these
meetings
at
at
times
where
people
who
are
working
during
the
day
might
be
able
to
participate.
H
I
think
the
child
care
idea
is
a
very
good
one
and
there
may
be
other
things
that
we
can
be
doing
to
help
make
sure
that
that
we
get
the
cross-section
of
participation
and-
and
I
you
know-
I
didn't
read
this
last
night,
but
the
resolution
specifically
calls
out
that
the
community
solutions
table
should
be
diverse
and
it
calls
out
what
kind
of
diversity
we
seek.
And
it's
a
pretty
lengthy
list
of
folks
that
we
would
like
to
make
sure
sit
at
that
table.
M
So
you
mentioned
council
rometo
worth
that
albuquerque
they
had
about
100
people
that
participated
in
all
three
community
dialogues.
So
then
what
was
the
process
they
used
to
be
able
to
narrow
it
down,
so
that
50
people
would
be
part
of
the
community
solutions
table
people.
H
Just
self-selected,
I
don't
I
you
know,
I
I
think
it
was
just
you
know
they
thought.
Okay,
I've
participated
enough.
They've
captured
what
I
had
to
say,
because
the
other
thing
I
didn't
realize
until
today
was
that
the
community
solutions
table.
They
look
at
all
the
information
captured
from
all
the
different
mediums
that
we're
using
right
so
they're
gonna.
Look
at
they're
gonna,
look
at
the
surveys,
they're
gonna!
Look
at
the
interviews,
they're
gonna,
look
at
at
the
at
the
themes
that
arise
out
of
the
community
dialogues.
So
it's
not
just
you
know.
H
If
you
have
50
people,
it's
not
just
their
stuff.
That's
on
the
table.
It's
it's
the
they
get
to
look
at
the
whole
process
and
take
a
run
at
looking
at
at
what
what
the
community
said
and
trying
to
sift
through
that
in
a
way
to
bring
some
consensus
around
some
of
the
ideas
that
get
brought
forward.
M
H
So
all
all
100
could
have
participated.
I
actually
asked
dr
sanchez
this
afternoon
about
the
idea
of
what
happens
if
we
had
a
thousand
people
who
went
through
and
I
don't
think
we
will
have
a
thousand
people,
but
that's
a
happy
problem
to
have.
H
That
means
that
we
have
a
community
fully
engaged
and
participating,
and
what
she
said
to
me
is
that
is
a
facilitation
problem
that
can
be
overcome
what
they
did
in
albuquerque,
even
with
the
50
people
is
they
broke
them
into
small
groups
and
worked
with
them
in
small
groups,
and
then
they
came
back
as
a
whole
and
one
of
the
things
that
they
wished,
that
again
that
they
had
had
more
time
and-
and
I
think
we're
building
in
more
time-
is
that
there
was
more
time
for
the
community
solutions
table
to
work
so
that
they
could
come
up
with
more
robust
recommendations
than
what
they
ultimately
did,
because
they
were
really
in
this
hurry
up
offense,
where
they
had
to
create
a
process,
implement
a
process
and
report
out
a
process
in
too
short
a
time
period.
H
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
one
of
the
things
that
that
we
get
the
benefit
of
their
experience
and
by
providing
a
year
you
know
we
may
need
longer
who
knows
as
we
move
along
here,
but
a
year
is
much
longer
than
they
had
to
to
get.
You
know
more
representation
to
provide
more
time
for
people
to
really
consider
all
the
all
the
information,
all
the
stories,
all
the
all
the
ideas
that
that
percolate
up
through
this
community-centered
process.
M
So
one
other
clarity,
piece
that
and
question
I
had
about
the
community
solutions
table
and
once
it
forms
the
section
that
says,
shall
they
shall
hold
at
least
two
to
three
facilitated
sessions,
and
I'm
wondering
is
that
then,
just
for
the
community
solutions
table
members
or
how
do
other
community
members
participate
in
this
phase
of
the
community
engagement.
H
They
don't
it's
just
for
the
community
it.
If
you
want
to
sit
at
the
community
solutions
table.
You
need
to
complete
all
three
community
dialogue
sessions
and
the
idea
behind
that
again
is
it's
a
process
right
we
want
to.
We
want
to
bring
you
in.
We
want
to
build
trust.
We
want
to
have
you
share
your
story
and
your
and,
and
and
and
tell
us
about
your
values
and
give
us
your
ideas
and,
and
that
process
hopefully
helps
us.
You
know
talk
to
one.
H
It's
sort
of
like
you
know
it
is
sort
of
like
you
know
the
the
diversity
training
that's
being
called
out
for
for
counselors
and
staff.
I
mean
that's
kind
of
that's
it
and
they
call
it
the
arc
of
the
dialogue
and
and
if
you
don't
participate,
if
you
don't
make
the
commitment
to
that
dialogue
that
arc
of
the
dialogue,
then
you
don't
sit
at
the
community
solutions
table
because
you
haven't
invested
the
time
and
the
and
made
the
commitment
to
be
there.
M
I
think
there's
also
a
requirement-
or
you
know
some
kind
of
commitment
too,
from
the
community
solutions
table
that
they
have
to
do
some
work
because
they're
actually
looking
at
and
reviewing
all
of
the
documentation
from
the
round
the
rounds
of
community
dialogue
sessions,
the
surveys,
the
engagement
sessions
etc.
So
there
is
some
work
to
be
done
that
they
would
be
required
to
do
right.
Yeah.
H
No
they're
they're
they're
going
to
be
sifting
through
all
the
information
that's
collected
from
from
the
surveys,
from
the
interviews
from
all
the
community
dialogue
sessions
and
and
and
trying
to
build
some
consensus
and
compile
that
information,
so
so
that
you
know
that
it
then
gets
forwarded
to
the
governing
body,
and
we
then
decide
what
to
do
with
that
and
we
want
to
get
we
again.
We
want
to
give
the
the
time
necessary
for,
for
these
conversations
to
be
had
and
and
for,
as
they
said
in
albuquerque,
robust
recommendations
to
come
forward.
M
F
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
There's.
Just
one
thing
that
I
wanted
to
point
out,
and
it
was.
It
was
touched
on
with
this
conversation
about
the
diversity
of
the
community
solution
table
and
making
sure
that,
at
the
end
of
the
process
that
the
individuals
that
come
to
that
essentially
qualify
to
sit
at
the
community
solutions
table
is
a
diverse
group,
and
I
know
that
I've
had
some
conversations.
F
I
think
with
council
romero
wirth
about
this
potentially
mayor,
but
a
few
people
about
what
this
looks
like
if
at
the
end
of
the
day,
and
that
that
is
really
going
to
be
up
to
our
staff
and
up
to
this
team
to
be
keeping
an
eye
on
that
and
to
be
really
sweeping
around
and
making
sure
that
we
are
getting
those
diverse
voices.
F
I
think
that's
really
important
to
note
that,
once
we
do
kind
of
round
one
or
round
two
round
three,
and
if
we
don't
feel
that
we
have
the
diversity
that
we
need
to
get
the
solution
that
they're,
because
we've
built
in
the
time
that
we
can
go
back
and
start
this
process
again
and
run
those
sessions
through.
Am
I
correct
in
that
understanding.
H
Yeah
I
mean
I
again,
I
think,
if
we're
not
seeing
that
we're
getting
groups
that
are
that,
if
we're
not
getting
the
diversity
that
we
look
for
and-
and
I
don't
know
that
it's
gonna-
be
that
that's
us-
I
think
that's
the
city
project
team.
They
need
to
be
keeping
an
eye
on
that
and-
and
you
know
again
what
they
did
in
albuquerque
is
they
sat
down
the
city
project
team
and
they
made
a
list
of
every
organization
in
the
area
that
they
could
think
of.
H
They
looked
for
people
who
were
community
influencers
who
were
art
influencers
and
they,
and
then
they
began
to
reach
out
to
those
people
or
to
reach
out
to
people
who
knew
those
people
to
try
to
bring
them
into
the
process.
And
again
I
mean
if,
if
we
create
a
community-centered,
credible
process,
people
will
want
to
participate
right.
H
If,
if
we're
meddling
in
it,
I
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
get
the
kind
of
participation
that
we
seek
and
and
one
of
the
things
that
dr
sanchez
said
this
afternoon,
that
that
I
wrote
down
because
it
really
resonated
with
me
is
that
we
have
to
trust
the
community
members
to
come
into
dialogue
with
each
other
and
to
find
a
path
forward.
H
And
so
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
create
that
structure,
create
that
process
and
and
get
rid
of.
You
know,
barriers
like
child
care,
or
you
know
making
meetings
be
in
the
middle
of
the
day.
You
know
we
need
to
have
meetings
in
the
evenings
and
on
weekends
so
that
we
can
cast
as
broad
a
net
as
possible,
and
you
know
you
do
have
to
make
a
commitment
and
not
everybody
will
want
to
do
that.
H
But
again,
there
are
other
ways
to
have
your
voice
heard
through
interviews
or
or
through
surveys,
and
I
I
think
we
will
get
a
cross-section
of
our
community
because
we
we're
that's
and
the
and
the
resolution
calls
out
specifically
that
that's
what
we're
seeking
that's
the
goal.
F
Thank
you,
and
I
you
know,
I
had
one
thing
that
I
also
thought
about
in
terms
of
because
I
also
struggled
with
counselor
vaderial
as
well
of
what
happens.
If
somebody,
because
of
all
of
these
barriers,
they
can't
make
it
to
the
community
solutions
table
because
of
these
issues,
and
again
that's
on
our
our
city
team
to
eliminate
those
barriers
as
best
as
possible,
but
I
think
also
there
is.
F
There
will
be
a
lot
that
comes
through
that
process
that
will
be
giving
individuals
the
tools
to
come
to
the
community
solutions
table
with
that.
You
know
idea
towards
consensus,
building
and
and
having
gone
through
the
process.
So.
F
Yes,
and
and
that's
why
yeah
again
just
looking
at
some
of
the
other
barriers,
especially
if
we
are
moving
to
in-person
models,
because
I
can
imagine
that
in-person
models
would
absolutely
be
preferable
for
these
types
of
communications
not
just
days
and
times.
F
I
also
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
thinking
about
locations,
locations
that
are
spread
out
throughout
our
city,
locations
that
are
on
bus
lines,
just
any
way
that
we
can
eliminate
all
of
the
barriers
that
that
could
be
for
somebody
being
able
to
make
it
to
this
one
question
about
the
again
about
the
community
solutions
table.
So
it's
two
to
three
sessions
is
the
idea
that
it
is
two
to
three
sessions
with
everybody.
F
H
Yeah,
my
understanding
in
albuquerque
is
that
the
group
of
50
met
more
than
once
and
again,
the
way
they
handled.
The
number
was
to
break
out
into
small
groups
for
a
period
of
time
and
then
come
back
together
and
they
did
say
they
wish
they
had
had
more
time
if
I
could
counselor.
H
The
other
thing
I
would
add
to
some
of
your
concerns
is
these
are
complex
issues
right,
really
difficult
issues,
and
I
think
you
know
we
want
people
who
will
commit
the
time
and
and
really
build
the
trust
and
participate
in
a
full
way
in
order
to
find
the
path
forward.
F
Yeah
yeah,
absolutely.
I
agree
that
that
is
that's
key
and
you
know
as
to
the
concern
about
us
having
too
many
people
at
that
community
solutions
table.
I
actually,
I
hope
that
that's
a
problem
that
we
have
to
deal
with
to
be
honest
with
a
lot
of
the
problems
we've
been
dealing
with.
That
would
be
my
favorite
problem
for
us
to
deal
with
these
days
so
and
we
won't
even
be
there,
so
actually
we
won't
have
to
deal
with
it.
F
But
okay,
thank
you.
You
know.
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
do
I
do
want
to
I.
I
know
that
it
was
a
long
journey
to
get
to
this
version
of
this
resolution,
but
I
think
that
we
are
on
a
much
better
path
than
we
started
on,
and
I
think
that
this
does
help
capture
the
voices
and
really,
you
know,
counselor,
mayor
worth.
As
you
said,
these
are.
These
are
sticky
issues.
These
are.
These
are
complex.
F
These
are
not
going
to
be
easily
and
readily
solved,
so
I
do
appreciate
the
work
that
I
know
has
gone
into
speaking
with
the
team
from
albuquerque
and
really
looking
at
how
we
might
be
able
to
to
utilize
this
here.
So
I
do
just
want
to
thank
the
the
sponsors
who
have
put
forward
this
replacement
resolution
substitute
resolution
not
as
well.
H
Mr
chair,
I'd
move
that
we
approve
the
resolution
with
counselor
via
real's
amendment
and
counselor
garcia's
amendment
and.
K
B
E
H
B
All
right,
okay,
thank
you.
That
brings
us
to
item
I,
which
is
a
request
for
the
approval
of
the
agreement
between
the
city
of
santa
fe
and
american
traffic
solutions,
inc,
dba,
mobility
for
providing
equipment
and
services
for
the
santa
fe
traffic
operations
program.
Stop
american
traffic
solutions,
inc,
dba
vera
mobility,
councilor
lindell,.
G
Thank
you
chair.
I
just
have
a
few
questions
on
this,
clarifying
that
we
are
using
six
devices.
C
B
B
Joe,
are
you
there
can
mr
valdez
be
on
muted
or
I'll?
Try
I'll
give
it
my
best.
A
P
Excellent
sorry
for
that,
mr
chair
counselor
lindell.
Yes,
we
will
be
requesting
six
devices
in
the
form
of
four
transpo
transportable
devices,
which
will
be
like
a
small
mailbox
type
device
and
then
two
vehicle
devices
which
would
be
similar
to
the
speed
bands
that
we
had
in
the
previous
program.
G
P
Mr
chair,
counselor
lindell,
so
with
the
devices
what's
been
explained
to
me
by
the
vendor
is
a
pedestal
would
not
be
required.
It
is
as
long
as
it
has
easement
where
we
can
place
the
device.
P
It's
large
enough
and
stable
enough
for
us
to
place
it
at
a
place
that
would
accommodate
the
ability
for
it
to
capture
violations,
and
you
know
not
be
on
either
private
property
unless
we
do
have
an
agreement
with
the
property
owner,
but
we
won't
need
to
put
any
pedestals
for
those
transportable
devices
as
long
as
we
have
easement
or
a
location
to
deploy
it
they'll
be
able
to
deploy
those
spots.
It'll
have
the
ability
to
stay
there
and
notify
us.
P
Mr
chair
counselor
lindell,
no,
it's
not.
This
program
would
only
be
utilized
for
violations
that
are
captured
via
video.
Our
officers
will
still
have
their
handheld
radar
devices,
lidar
or
in-car
mounted
radar
detection
or
radar
speed
devices,
and
those
would
be
different
from
these
ones.
G
G
This
is
just
based
on
finance
and
fiscal
prudence.
I
see
they
have
in
here
their
fees
for
expert
witness.
When
would
we
need
an
expert
witness
for
a
traffic
citation.
P
Mr
chair
counselor
lindell,
if
it
was
a
complex
type
of
case,
we
may
need
an
expert
witness
if
an
individual
wants
to
contest
the
violation.
The
vast
majority
of
the
cases
that
were
brought
in
up
with
our
previous
program
usually
they'd,
come
in.
They
would
train
our
one
of
our
staff
members
to
know
how
the
device
works,
to
be
able
to
provide
their
working
knowledge
and
how
it
operates,
and
in
cases
where
it
would
be
very
complex.
G
Well,
that's
good
because
in
as
much
as
we
get
about
five
dollars
per
citation
to
fly
in
an
expert
witness
and
pay
for
their
travel
and
their
hotel
and
lodging
or
meals,
it's
not
a
very
good
deal
for
us.
So
that's
that's
where
I
was
going
with
that.
The
other
thing
that
it
talks
about
is
the
enhanced
video
services.
P
G
Okay,
because
I
saw
a
part
in
here
that
talked
about
us
having
capacity,
so
we
don't
have
to
pay
them
extra
for
that.
P
Mr
chair
counseling
dollar:
no,
no.
We
do
not.
G
G
This
is
probably
not
a
a
question
for
you,
mr
valdez.
Maybe
it's
a
question
for
miss
mccoy.
If
she
is
still
on
here.
I
looked
at
the
back
of
the
packet
where
they
present
their
business
registration,
and
I
thought
it
was
interesting
that
they
have
a
business
registration
as
opposed
to
a
business
license
and
they
they
pay
ten
dollars
for
that
business
registration.
G
It's
not
their
fault,
I
mean
that's
what
their
charge
is,
but
that's
something
that
we
might
look
at
correcting.
I
I
mean
it
seems
like
anybody.
G
Maybe
we
don't
need
to
have
the
difference
between
a
business,
registration
and
a
business
license,
and
people
that
want
to
do
business
in
this
city
could
pay
35
dollars.
It's
not
gonna
fix
the
budget,
but
it
might
help.
So
those
are
the
questions
that
I
had
on
this
contract.
I
appreciate
it.
It
took
us
a
long
time
to
get
here.
G
I
know
there's
some
people
that
don't
like
it,
but
I
think
that
I
can
speak
for
every
counselor
on
this
zoom
call
that
we've
all
had
multiple
multiple
multiple
calls
this
summer
of
people
speeding
and
drag
racing
around
this
city.
So
I
can't
have
it
both
ways
to
do
the
enforcement
that
people
are
asking
for.
G
G
The
citation
fine
schedule
we
also
added
in
the
ability
to
do
community
service
and
we
tried
to
make
it
very,
very
fair
for
everyone.
So
I'm
anxious
to
get
this
going.
I
have
a
perfect
location
on
gonzales
road
for
you,
you
can
call
me
and
I'll
I'll
I'll
walk
from
my
house
right
out
there
and
show
you
where
a
good
spot
would
be.
Thank
you
very
much.
F
M
I
didn't
see
that
councilman
via
royale.
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation
I
think
deputy
chief
valdez.
It
was
helpful
to
get
the
background
for
counselors
that
hadn't
been
around
for
this
fun
trip
that
we've
been
on
for
this
particular
item.
It
was
actually
2017
that
this
was
approved.
I
didn't
vote
for
it
and
I
know
that
it
took
a
while
to
get
where
we
are
today.
I
guess
I'm
just
curious:
what
was
the
delay
to
relaunching
this
program
after
contracts?
I
thought
contracts
had
been
approved.
M
I
think
december
was
the
last
meeting
that
we
had
or
maybe
january
so
what
what's
been
the
delay
to
get
this?
Going
from
that
last
meeting
that
you
all
presented
to
us.
P
P
Once
we
had
the
rfp
out,
we
started
working
with
the
vendor
to
work
on
the
contract,
got
a
lot
of
great
help
from
finance
from
their
staff
and
the
big
thing
was.
P
We
had
our
contract
in
the
previous
format,
so
we
had
to
reformat
the
contract
into
the
current
format
that
we
utilized
and
utilize
it
for
the
past
about
a
year
and
a
half
or
so,
and
we're
just
going
through
the
negotiating
process
with
the
vendor,
making
sure
that
everyone
was
able
to
agree
to
it
and
they're
amenable
made
sure
everything
was
good
and
nice
and
set
up
for
the
city
making
sure
that
everything
that
we
needed
from
the
contract
was
being
fulfilled
and
we're
doing
our
best
to
make
sure
we
get
it
right.
P
It
took
a
little
bit
of
time
and
even
through
the
process,
I
worked
with
a
second
contact
from
the
company
because
they
transitioned
to
another
one
and
again
we
got
everyone
up
to
speed
and
it
was
a
lot
of
people
participating
a
lot
of
help
to
get
where
we're
at
today.
So
you
know
my
appreciation
goes
to
finance
and
also
city
attorney's
office
for
helping
us
through
this.
They
did
a
fantastic
job,
making
sure
that
we
get
a
good
contract
for
this
program.
M
Okay,
you
know,
I
I
think
you
already
know.
I
guess
I
would
rather
see
funding
for
this
contract
to
be
spent
on
officers
and
actually
hiring
officers
to
do
that
work
and
to
to
support
and
help
with
the
speeding
issues
that
we
have
in
the
city.
So
I
will
not
be
voting
for
this
and
I
would
just
like
to
see
how
it
moves
forward
and
then
to
be
convinced
that
this
is
working.
M
Then
then
I
would
consider
you
know
what
it
whatever
time
period
we
get
to
when
we
renew
the
contract
that
I'll
reconsider
that
so
just
wanted
to.
Let
you
know
why,
and
I
appreciate
all
the
work
that
you
all
have
have
done
to
get
this
move
forward
and
I'm
hoping
that
it
will
be
that
it's
I
guess
it
it.
M
F
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair.
I
actually
struggle
with
this
one
a
little
bit
as
well,
similar
to
councilwoman
vitriol.
Looking
at.
F
Staffing,
yes,
I
feel
like
this
is
my
new
thing
that
I
talk
about
every
twice
a
twice
a
meeting,
but
so
a
couple
questions
one
you
had
mentioned
in
the
memo
about
the
number
of
speeding
citations
that
are
issued
when
previously,
when
the
stop
program
was
being
employed.
F
How
much
of
an
increase
do
we
see
with
actually
catching
speeders
and
issuing
citations
with
stop.
P
F
Because
we
have
also
lost
staff,
correct
we've
lost
staffing
capacity
since
before
so
yeah,
I'm
just
curious:
how
much
does
it
does
it
really
increase
our
ability
to
catch
speeders
and
cite
them.
P
Councillor
casa
sanchez,
some
with
this
process.
If
we
looked
at
it
one
benefit
of
this
manner
to
capture
violations.
Is
you
know
if
that
device?
Is
there
again
we're
not
going
to
have
a
gotcha
moment
we're
going
to
publish
the
location?
So
everyone
knows
where
they're
at
we're
going
to
have
advanced
signage
on
approach
of
the
devices.
P
So
if
that
doesn't
dissuade
you
from
speeding,
you
know
you'll
get
a
notice
in
the
mail
saying
you
had
a
violation
and
again
it's
gonna
be
a
50
violation
if
it's
in
any
place
outside
of
a
school
zone
or
construction
zone,
and
it
just
sits
there
and
it'll
issue
those
violations.
P
If
we
look
at
the
comparison
with
an
officer
being
out
there,
they
can
issue
citations
as
well,
but
each
traffic
stop
will
take
10
to
15
minutes
per
violation.
So,
even
if
they
see
an
officer
on
the
side
of
the
road,
you
still
may
have
violations
occurring.
But
what
this
does
is.
It
gives
us
a
some
flexibility
with
our
deployment
of
resources.
P
They
have
no
idea
that
that
three
lane
highway
is
35
miles
per
hour
and
that
education
part
is
big
and
that's
a
big
part
of
this
is
we're
still
going
to
continue
to
let
people
know
here's
what
the
speed
limit
is
we're
trying
to
encourage
good
behavior
while
driving
out
there
but
again
tries
to
will
you
know
some
people.
P
They
may
continue.
You
know
speeding
and
if
they
choose
to
do
so
again,
this
program
is
self-funded.
The
violation
goes
out
once
the
process
is
fulfilled.
We
settle
that
cost
with
the
vendor
and
pretty
much
that
person
self-funds
the
whole
program
through
those
violations.
What
we
get
back
in
return
is
is
a
small
amount
again.
This
is
not
to
be
a
big
revenue
maker.
It
is
to
improve
roadway
safety.
P
So
in
that
aspect,
looking
at
the
time
it
takes
for
nosfer
to
go
conduct
a
traffic
stop
you
know
we
can
see
that
this
type
of
device
would
be
able
to
address
that
through
education.
Will,
you
know,
send
the
message
home
that
we
want
people
to
drive
safely.
P
I
mentioned
this
to
several
people
throughout
this
process
before
and
even
talking
with
an
individual
body
a
couple
days
ago,
I
I
would
love
to
see
the
city
of
santa
fe,
put
this
type
of
program
out
of
business
and
by
doing
so
means
that
we're
doing
the
speed
limit,
we're
not
speeding
and
racing
and
everything
else.
But
again
it's
gonna
be
based
on
the
behavior
that
people
on
the
roadway
engage
in.
P
But
until
that
time
comes,
you
know
this
will
be
another
tool
that
we
have
to
encourage
people
to
obey
the
speed
limit,
and
I
know
in
in
your
district.
You
know
you
can
mention
a
handful
of
roads
if
you're
like.
Oh,
my
goodness,
someone
is
going
20
miles
over
the
speed
limit
and
I
can't
believe
this
if
they
want
to
continue
engaging
that
behaviors
can
get
very
costly
for
them.
P
You
know
the
difference
in
the
two,
though
this
violation
would
be
a
civil
infraction
much
like
we
use
for
small
amounts
of
possession
of
marijuana,
so
it
doesn't
go
on
their
record.
If
they
fail
to
pay
it,
they
go
to
collections
versus
an
officer
being
there.
If
you
do
get
a
citation
and
then
they
get
either
agree
to
pay
the
penalty
assessment
or
they're
convicted
the
violation
in
court
that
does
go
on
the
record
and
it
can
affect
their
insurance,
where
this
would
affect
your
your
credit.
Q
P
And
that
was
a
great
piece
and
I
I
think,
as
far
as
I
know,
you
know
we're
the
only
ones
in
new
mexico.
I
don't
know
if
rio
rancho
offers
that,
but
that's
a
great
way
for
the
city
to
you
know
allow
people
to
you
know,
learn
from
that
infraction
and
say:
hey
I'm
going
to
do
something
good
and
you
know
they
can
help
with
our
city.
P
With
doing
the
number
of
things
you
know,
we
have
a
lot
of
programs
in
the
city
that
can
utilize
an
a
couple
extra
hands
through
a
volunteer
program.
F
Can
you
the
process
for
for
how
it
is
decided
where
these
units
are
placed.
P
So
one
thing
that
we
are
limited
to
is:
they
cannot
be
like
on
saint
francis.
They
cannot
be
on
syria's
road,
new
mexico,
599
or
interstate
I-25.
Those
are
the
major
highways
that
the
the
state
new
mexico
maintains.
You
know
we
have
other
artillery
arterial
roads
such
as
rodeo
road,
serengo
airport
road.
You
know
we
have
a
number
of
identified
locations
that
we
looked
at
based
on
data
that
we
have
and
everything
is
going
to
be
based
on
either.
P
Hey
we've
identified
that
this
location
is
prime
for
speeders
and
it
needs
to
end
we'll
be
putting
a
device
out
here.
Let
people
know
you
know
it's
going
to
be
out
there
and
again
advanced
signage
ahead
of
the
device.
It's
not
going
to
be
hidden
in
a
bush
or
camouflaged.
F
Yeah
I
do
appreciate
I
do
I
do
like
that.
There
are
a
number
of
warnings.
I
know
back
when
I
was
living
in
california.
There'd
be
secret,
red
light
cameras
that
people
would
know
about,
and
they
would
do
really
dangerous
things
to
try
to
avoid
being
seen
by
them,
and
so
I
like
that,
we
are
very
transparent
about
where
these
are
located.
E
F
Really
does
look
like
it's
another
deterrent
for
speeding
and
then
I'm
sorry,
I
I
know
I
read
this
and
I
apologize.
I
don't
remember,
can
we
move
them?
I
think
that
two
of
them
we
can
move
and
the
four
we
cannot.
Am
I
correct
in
that
understanding.
P
Mr
chair
councilman,
the
cast
of
sanchez,
so
what
we're
gonna
do
is
the
transportable
devices
that
look
like
a
mailbox.
P
Those
will
be
moved
on
regular
intervals,
maybe
once
a
month
or
so
and
that'll
be
based
on
where
we
need
to
deploy
them
on
our
assessment
through
data
on
where
the
enforcement
location
needs
to
be.
The
two
vehicle
devices
like
a
speed
van
will
give
us
a
bit
more
flexibility
where
they
can
be
moved
at
a
much
sooner
frequency.
P
So
if
we
see
some
type
of
spree
that
comes
up
in
a
certain
area
or
if
we
need
to
make
an
adjustment
to
another
location
that
gives
us
the
flexibility
to
do
so,
but
they're
going
to
be
on
a
constant
rotation
throughout
a
number
of
locations.
If
this
is
approved-
and
you
know
again
we're
going
to
publicize-
I
want
people
to
know
but
having
those
speed
bands,
the
two
of
them
that'll,
give
us
a
little
bit
of
flexibility,
because
the
company
just
gets
in
the
vehicle,
they
drive
it
to
the
new
location.
P
F
Okay,
all
right,
thank
you
for
that,
and
then
why
did
we
stop
stop
before?
Why
did
he
stop
doing
stop.
P
From
my
recollection,
there's
a
number
of
things:
the
previous
vendor
that
we're
working
with
had
a
lot
of
ethical
issues
that
came
up,
became
you
know
on
the
media
that
they
were
doing
things
that
were
unethical,
and
that
was,
I
think,
a
big
driving
factor.
I
think
another
side
of
it.
You
know
a
lot
of
people,
they
didn't
really
agree
with
the
program
because
again,
no
one
likes
to
get
a
bill
in
the
mail.
P
Saying:
hey,
sorry,
you're,
speeding
and
here's
what
it
was,
but
I
think
with
the
ordinance
and
the
way
that
the
governing
body
worked
to
address
and
sponsors
of
the
the
ordinance
that
did
the
changes.
They
looked
at
some
of
those
issues,
because
again
it
was
a
graduated
system.
If
you
had
a
violation,
it
was
a
hundred
dollars.
P
It
shouldn't
be
to
the
point
where
someone
cannot
afford
to
pay
their
fees
where
it's
just
being
stacked
onto
them,
and
you
know
sometimes
again,
someone
could
have
a
number
of
violations
and
they
could
stack
on
them
and
I
think
they
made
it
a
bit
more
equitable
with
the
new
language
and
the
ordinance
and
also
including
the
community
service
aspect
of
it.
P
But
but
if
I
had
to
take
a
yesterday,
those
would
be
the
two
major
items
that
came
into
play
were
those
items,
and
you
know
people
that
had
like
those
devices
in
their
neighborhoods.
They
were
sad
to
see
them
go
people
that
were
getting
violations
they're
on
the
other
side
of
the
spectrum.
But
but
again
we
know,
there's
gonna
be
mixed
feelings
on
this,
but
we
want
people
to
know
that
our
main
focus
is
safety.
P
At
the
end
of
the
day,
if
you
do
the
speed
limit,
you
won't
get
a
violation
issued
and
everything's
gonna
be
better
of
it
and
again
through
our
blitzes.
That's
what
we've
seen
most
people
don't
realize
and
even
with
the
advent
of
new
car
designs,
you
don't
get
the
road
noise.
You
don't
get
that
real
grumble
on
these
new
car
designs.
So
you
know
you
don't
feel
like
you're
going
that
speed
and
until
you
realize
it
you're
like.
P
F
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
I
really
appreciate
it.
I
I
will
say,
as
I
think,
counselor
lindell
mentioned,
speeding
and
traffic
violations
are
something
that
I
definitely
hear
a
lot
of,
and
you
know
wgf
does
you
mentioned
a
number
of
the
streets
in
my
district
that
are
have
been
extremely
problematic,
especially
with
the
pandemic.
So
yeah,
that's
that's
all.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
it.
Yes,
ma'am.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
so
I
went
back
and
and
watched
the
city
council
meeting
of
september,
25th
2019,
where
you
provided
an
informational
item
on
this,
and
at
that
time
you
spoke
of
having
two
devices.
How
did
we
get
to
six.
P
Mr
chair
councilor
merrell
worth
based
on
what
we're
looking
at.
You
know.
We
wanted
a
number
of
devices.
You
know
when
we
first
rolled
this
out.
We
had,
I
think,
one
band
and
all
the
way
at
the
the
far
inside
of
it.
We
had
four
with
six
based
on
what
we're,
seeing
through
complaints,
we're
receiving
areas
of
concern
that
have
been
brought
up.
P
We
want
to
make
sure
we
have
sufficient
devices
to
address
those
issues
by
having
these
devices
our
deployment
methodology
is
going
to
be
it's
going
to
be
split
right
in
half
one
van
and
one
van
and
shoot
two
transporters
will
be
on
the
north
side
and
then
the
remainder
will
be
on
the
south
side,
so
we
can
make
sure
that
there's
no
concerns
about
hey,
while
one
side
or
the
other
is
being
more
focused
for
enforcement.
P
So,
based
on
the
information
that
we
had
through
speeding,
complaints,
locations
where
we
would
need
those
devices,
that's
where
we
looked
at
to
see
what
would
be
a
good
number
to
start
with.
We
may
see
that
hey.
This
is
either
good
for
us,
or
we
may
come
to
the
situation
where
hey,
we
might
need
maybe
two
more
devices
to
fulfill
the
needs
of
our
community,
but
to
roll
this
out
we
looked
at
having
again
those
transport
devices
were
a
game
changer
for
us
that
was
not
an
option
that
we
had
beforehand.
P
We
only
had
the
traditional
speed
van
in
our
previous
program,
so
you
know
we
always
want
to
bring
those
vans
back,
but
with
those
transportables
it
gives
a
bit
more
flexibility
with
deployment
locations
because
they
can
be
on
certain
areas
where
you
couldn't
park
a
vehicle,
but
you
can
place
a
mailbox.
So
that's
what
gave
us
that
ability
and
again
it
was
based
on
our
data
on
where
the
needs
would
exist
in
the
city.
H
P
No
ma'am
they're,
offering
they
say:
here's
what
we
have
to
offer.
What
do
you
guys
need
and
based
on
again
our
assessment,
because
the
other
side
too,
is
we
have
to
process
those
violations?
P
So
if
we
were
to
put
one
of
these
devices
at
every
location
of
a
candidate
and
every
intersection
again,
that
would
really
tax
our
personnel
to
be
able
to
fulfill
those
violations
and
maintain
the
devices
so
based
on
our
current
capacity
and
what
we
feel
that
we
can
do.
That's
number
that
we
feel
that
we
can
do
based
on
the
needs
that
we've
identified
through
complaints
and
data.
H
P
Mr
chair
counselor,
mary
worth
with
this
we're
gonna
have
a
grace
period,
but
with
a
pilot
program
we
have
a
contract
if
we
find
that
this
is
something
that
is
not
meeting
our
needs
or
it's
not
something
we're
pleased
with
again.
We
have
the
contract
and
if
we
wish
to
stop
that
contract
we
give
notice
to
the
vendor,
and
then
we
start
that
process
of
decommissioning
devices
and
going
from
there.
There
are
certain
provisions
in
there.
P
So
if
we
do
end
the
contract
prior
to
one
year
and
a
half
or
18
months,
then
we
would
be
responsible
for
certain
fees
in
doing
so.
But
with
the
pilot,
you
know,
we've
done
plenty
of
blitzes
to
identify
that
hey.
We
do
have
issues
with
speeding
on
our
on
our
highways.
With
these
devices,
I
think,
if
we
did,
a
pilot
we'd
probably
come
to
the
same
conclusion
that
we
would
need
these
devices
and
they
would
be
worthwhile
to
us.
P
But
if
we
identify
that
either
the
vendor's
not
providing
the
service
that
we
expected
or
we
find
that
the
program
is
not
worthwhile
for
us,
we
can
exit
that
contract
without
any
issues.
After
18
months
and
say,
hey,
look:
here's
this
we're
not
going
to
renew
it
and
we're
not
going
to
move
on
again.
H
Right
with
all
due
respect,
I
find
that
probably
unlikely.
I
think
it's
you
know,
probably
better.
If
you
had
two
and
then
you
see
that
it's
going
well
and
the
vendor's
good,
and
then
you
add
on,
but
I
this
is
a
pretty
deep
dive
into
this
into
this
technology.
I
guess
I'm
also
so
what
limits
the
number
that
of
these
things
could
that
we
could
have,
I
mean,
is
there
any?
H
P
Mr
chair
councilman
worth
if
we
wanted
to
go
and
increase
the
devices
to
let's
say
20
that
could
happen,
but
my
concerns
that
would
exist
is
for
one
managing
all
those
devices
and
the
violations
that
we
would
have
to
process.
But
once
we
do
increase
the
number
of
devices,
if
we
do
decommission
there
are
certain
provisions
in
there.
So
we
can't
decrease
a
certain
amount.
You
know
and
we
have
to
work
through
that
portion.
So
having
the
six
devices,
we
felt.
That
was
a
good
number
to
start
with.
P
I
think
it
will
fulfill
the
needs
that
we
do
need
within
the
city
for
the
life
of
this
contract,
but
I
I'd
really
cautious
against
going
too
big
too
fast.
If
we
go,
for,
I
say
more
than
10,
I
I
think
for
us.
We
begin
to
a
situation
where
it'd
be
a
pretty
daunting
task
to
for
one
maintain
devices
and
then,
secondly,
to
process
the
violations.
H
The
last
time
we
had
this
thing,
you
talked
about
advanced
notice
and
there
would
be
signage,
so
you
know
when
you're
coming
up
on
one.
The
last
time
we
had
one
of
these
situations.
The
signage
was
uneven.
As
I
recall,
you
know
sometimes
that
there
was
signage
warning
you
that
there
was
a
speed
van
and
sometimes
there
wasn't
what
what?
H
What
will?
How
do
we
get
more
consistency
in
that.
P
Mr
chair
counselor,
mayor
worth
with
the
last
program.
I
can't
speak
to
the
deployment
of
signage,
but
with
this
one
we
want
people
to
know
that
it's
there.
We
want
to
make
sure
they
know:
hey
photo
enforcement
ahead,
we're
gonna
be
putting
the
locations
and
publishing
them
on
our
social
media
sites.
P
With
the
previous
program,
they
would
actually
post
them
in
the
local
papers,
but
you
know
with
the
advent
of
social
media
now
we
can
put
it
out
there
and
it'll
be
picked
up
by
you
know,
people
that
are
either
following
us
on
our
page
or
people
will
put
it
out
and
we've
even
seen
in
some
locations
where
you'll
have
certain
mapping
devices.
P
We
don't
want
a
gotcha
moment,
you
know
for
us.
We
want
people
to
know
that
they
are
out
there.
If
you
are
speeding,
you
will
be
issued
a
violation
and
the
big
thing
that
we're
trying
to
do
is
educate
people.
Let
them
know
hey
the
speed
limit
in
this
area.
Is
this?
You
know
we
don't
want
to
get
in
one
kind
of
gotcha
moment
if
you
are
caught
in
violation
of
speeding.
It's
it's
gonna
be
like
we
gave
you
advanced
notice
on
social
media.
We
let
you
know
we're
going
to
put
them.
P
We
have
signage,
put
up
where
it's
going
to
be
at
we're
going
to
the
vehicles
and
or
the
devices
in
a
prominent
location.
They're
not
going
to
be.
You
know,
hidden
or
anything
like
that.
I
I
think
anything
different
from
that,
I
think,
would
be
unfair
and
that
would
not
be
within
the
spirit
of
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish.
With
this
program.
We
want
people
to
know
they're
out
there.
We
want
them
to
watch
their
speed
and
to
be
aware
of
what
the
speed
limit
is
in
certain
areas.
H
And
just
a
comment
on
cars,
since
you
brought
it
up
the
the
idea
that
you
know
people
cars
now,
you
don't
know
how
fast
you're
going.
I
I
think,
there's
some
new
technology.
H
That's
been
added
to
cars
that
I
find
helpful
in
that
they
now
can
tell
you
what
speed
zone
you're
in
so
that
you
actually
because
I
think
sometimes
that's
a
big
problem.
As
you
know,
the
signs
there's
they're
spread
out
and
you
don't
you
know
it's
25
and
then
it's
30
and
you
don't
know
that
that
it
changed.
But
the
car
all
you
have
to
do
is
look
at
your
dashboard
and
the
car
says
you
know
25
you're
in
a
25
and
hey
you're
going
30.
H
So
you
can
you
can
slow
down,
and
I
guess
you
know
I
I
I
I
too
struggle
with
this.
I
I
do
have
areas
in
my
district
where
we
have
issues
and
people
have
certainly
complained
and
we've
done.
H
You
know
what
what
can
be
done
to
try
to
mitigate
it.
But
I
also
when
I
was
first
elected.
I
got
just
bucket
loads
of
emails
of
people
who
have
real
issues
with
this.
The
due
process
issues
now
you
know
with
the
pandemic,
we
have
people
wearing
masks
in
their
cars,
and
you
know
you
don't
know
who's
driving.
I
know
we've
gotten
around
that
by.
I
think
our
ordinance
says
that,
if
that,
if
it's
your
car,
then
you're
responsible
doesn't
matter
who's
driving,
but
still
I
mean
I.
I
think
there
are
ways
around
that.
H
What
happens
if
your
your
license
plate
is
dirty?
What
happens
if
you
don't
have
a
license
plate?
What
happens
if
you
covered
up
the
license
plate?
What
happens
if
your
your
car
is
owned
by
a
corporation
and
not
by
an
individual?
I
I
don't
know
I
mean
I
wasn't
part
of
the
council
that
that
approved
this.
This
ordinance
and
I
and
I
gotta-
tell
you
I've.
H
I
you're
right.
You
know
it
doesn't
matter
what
you
do
here.
I
you're
gonna
have
you're
making
you're
gonna,
make
people
unhappy
because
they're
they're,
just
as
many
people
who
hate
these
things
and
they're,
not
just
speeders,
but
they
hate
them
because
of
they
hate
them
for
equity
issues.
H
They
hate
them
because
of
the
due
process
issues
they
hate
them
because
they
do
put
spiral
people
into
debt,
and
I
appreciate
that
we've
done
some
work
around
community
service
instead
of
just
escalating
fees,
but
I
gotta
tell
you:
I
don't
like
the
number
that
we're
starting
with.
I
don't
like
the
idea
that
I
mean
why
not
try
a
pilot
since
we
had
trouble
with
the
last
vendor.
H
I
mean
I
don't
know
why
we
wouldn't
ease
into
this,
and
so
I
I
just
have
to
tell
you
this
is
this
is
a
hard
vote
for
me.
I
really
struggle
with
this
issue
and
I
I'm
not
sure
I
can
support
it.
So
thank
you.
H
Can
you
outline
the
how
the
fee
structure
works
again,
so
you
have
there's
a
hundred
dollar
fine
and
then
who?
Who
gets
what
portion
of
it?
It's
50.,
okay,
50,
fine!
All
right!
I
was
just.
I
was
just
using
a
hypothetical
because
it
would
be
easier
to
understand
but
help
walk
through
the
percentages
of
who
gets.
What
on
that
fine.
P
P
So
25
goes
to
the
state
new
mexico.
What's
left
of,
that
is
50
so
that
50
percent
40
percent
or
you
know
20,
goes
to
the
vendor
and
that's
what
they
use
for
operating
the
program,
sending
out
notices,
maintaining
the
machines
pretty
much.
It
covers
the
entire
expense
of
what
is
needed
for
this
program,
and
then
the
city
gets
10,
so
that
would
be
5
of
that
violation
that
we
would
get
back
into
the
program
and
that
funding
would
be
utilized
for
traffic
calming
initiatives.
P
Small
equipment
such
as
handheld
radar
device,
traffic
safety,
vests
flashlights.
You
know
batteries
for
body-worn
cameras,
things
that
will
be
utilized
for
traffic
enforcement
and
traffic
safety
initiatives.
Now,
if
it's
a
hundred
dollar
fee,
which
occurs
in
a
school
zone
or
in
a
construction
zone
again,
it'd
be
that
still
break
out
of
fifty
percent
goes
to
state
new
mexico
40
to
the
vendor
and
then
the
city
of
santa
fe.
Our
program
will
get
the
10
remaining
balance
of
that.
B
Okay,
councilman
villarreal
used
to
but
your
hand
up.
Did
you
have
another
question.
M
P
Mr
chair
councillor,
via
yes,
ma'am,
the
state
passed
nmac
rule,
I
think,
was
back
in
2010,
which
said
any
municipality
operating
a
speed.
Camera
device
would
have
to
provide
them
again
that
50
that
we
talked
about
with
the
the
fines,
but
it
also
prohibited
the
deployment
of
those
devices
on
state
maintained
roads.
So
they
can
only
put
them
on
roads
that
are
maintained
by
the
municipalities
or
the
county
jurisdiction.
M
B
I
will
second:
is
there
any
more
discussion,
councilwoman
lindell.
G
Yeah,
I
would
just
remind
the
council
that
we're
not
voting.
We
voted
a
long
time
ago
on
this
program,
we're
looking
at
the
contract.
That's
what
we're
being
asked
to
look
at.
G
You
know
every
time
this
comes
up.
We.
I
think
this
is
the
third
time
we
voted
on
this,
but
it's
the
contract.
The
council
already
voted
to
bring
this
program
back.
So
that's
the
only
comment
that
I
have
chair.
B
Okay,
thank
you
yeah,
and
I
guess
that
was
my
second
because
I
I
feel
like
some
of
the
other
counselors
regarding
this
program.
I
don't.
I
can't
recall
how
I
voted
if
we
did
when
it
first
came,
because
this
is
something
in
my
district
where
I
get
both.
I
get
complaints
about
speeding,
but
then
I
also
get
the
equity
issues
is.
B
It
seems,
like
our
streets
are
wider
in
district
three
there's
more
room
for
these,
and
so
they
feel
like
they're,
put
in
district
three
and
four
more
than
the
other
districts
because
of
the
street
width.
But
so
again
I'm
voting
on
the
contract,
but
we'll
see
how
it
how
it
goes.
R
H
I
would
also
just
remind
us
that
money
drives
policy
and
what
we,
the
informational
presentation
that
we
were
given
in
2019,
suggested
two
of
these
suggested
the
possibility
of
a
pilot
project
as
a
way
of
easing
into
this.
They
didn't,
they
didn't
talk
about
six
and
they
didn't
talk
about
kind
of
an
endless
contract
to
to
continue
to
add
more
so,
there
are
actually
problems
with
the
contract
as
well.
Thank
you.
B
Okay,
any
further
discussion
before
I
call
for
a
roll
call
for
on
the
vote.
Okay,
then,
can
we
have
a
roll
call?
Please?
Yes,
you
can
counselor.
C
C
B
And
counselor
abeyta,
okay,
I
will
vote
yes,
but
as
I
consider
what
both
councillor
indel
said
and
romero
worth
I
if
that
was
the
understanding
and
now
it's
kind
of
expanded
from
when
we
originally
voted
on
it
to
now.
I
may
change
my
vote
as
it
goes
to
the
committee
process
and
the
council.
Thank
you,
okay.
So
that
concludes
our
our
business.
Under
the
consent
agenda,
matters
from
staff.
K
Yes,
mr
chair,
just
quickly,
I
would
like
to
remind
the
committee
members
that
we
have
released
the
october
grt
information
to
you
a
year.
To
date
we
are
down
about
9.3
million
total
in
grt.
That's
about
12
per
I'm
sorry,
20.5
percent,
so
total
july
through
october,
we're
down
9.3
million
in
our
grt,
so
that
most
recent
update
came
on
monday
from
the
city
manager.
So
that
is
in
your
inbox
for
the
october
2020
update.
K
We
expect
to
be
receiving
the
november
2020
update
within
the
next
week
and
we'll
be
providing
an
update
to
you
on
that.
So
that'll
be
the
first
five
months
of
the
fiscal
year.
We
have
also
given
you
a
preliminary
schedule
for
the
budget
hearings.
I
emailed
that
to
you
last
week
and
that
those
budget
hearings
are
scheduled
for
april
of
this
year.
B
Okay
and
quickly
on
the
grt,
did
we
budget
assuming
a
25
percent
decline
in
grt
or
was
it
higher
or
was
it
around
the
20
that
we're
seeing
now
that
we're
seeing
okay
so
we're
pretty
close
to
what
we
had
budgeted.
K
B
Okay,
anything
else
miss
mccoy.
B
Okay,
matters
from
the
committee.
B
Nothing
from
the
committee,
okay,
briefly
under
matters
from
the
chair.
One
thing
that
I've
been
working
with
miss
mccoy
and
actually
have
started
working
with
the
chairs
of
the
other
committees
on
are
initiatives
that
I
think
are
going
to
be
forthcoming.
B
During
this
new
year,
for
example,
affordable
housing
there's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
about
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund
and
how
we
fund
that,
and
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
this
committee
is
coordinating
with
the
other
committee,
so
that
one
doesn't
get
too
far
ahead
of
the
other
when
it
comes
to
actually
moving
forward
with
a
specific,
maybe
ordinance
or
resolution
or
direction,
especially
as
it
relates
to
the
financial
aspect
of
the
proposal
that
comes
forward,
and
so
I
appreciate
councilman
romero
worth
and
her
committee
take
quality
of
life,
taking
the
lead
on
the
affordable
housing
initiatives
and
then
kind
of
deferring
to
this
committee
when
it
comes
to
the
financial
pieces
or
impacts,
there's
other
things
such
as
the
midtown
campus
and
again
miss
mccoy.
B
If
you
can
send
us
a
reminder
of
what
our
annual
financial
commitment
is
to
that,
I
believe
it's
like
five
million
dollars,
two
and
a
half
in
in
cost
operating
or
capital
costs
and
then
another
two
and
a
half
in
the
what
we
owe
every
year
towards
it
and
then
the
if
you
can
send
us
the
overall
balance
of
that.
I
don't
know
if
it's
like
30
million
or
but
I
think
it'd
be
helpful.
B
If
we
as
we
have
these
discussions
with
the
entire
council
that
the
committee,
the
finance
committee,
has
a
real
understanding
of
what
the
actual
financial
commitment
towards
that
project
is
because
I
think
that's
again
important
for
us
to
keep
in
the
back
of
our
minds
as
we
talk
about
the
other
aspects
of
that
project
and
then,
of
course,
miss
mccoy.
There's
the
mccard
report,
the
internal
audit
and
the
issues
of
the
audits.
B
B
That
was
like,
and
so
I
think
it'd
be
helpful
to
know
that
we
are
making
progress
and
we
are
addressing
a
lot
of
those
concerns
and
then,
of
course,
there's
the
budget
itself,
and
this
is
going
to
be
another
brutal
budget
year
because
we're
still
in
the
pandemic
and
so
as
much
upfront
information.
We
can
get
and
start
scheduling
presentations
that
you
think
we
will
need
to
be
get
ahead
of.
Let's
go
ahead
and
do
that
because
it's
like,
I
said
I
think,
budget.
B
It's
going
to
be
another
tough
year
for
us
to
budget,
and
so
what
I'll
do
is
I'll?
Try
to
capture
these
in
an
email,
I'll
distribute
it
to
the
finance
committee
and
to
you
miss
mccoy
and
then,
if
everybody
could,
if
I'd
missed
stuff,
please
chime
in
or
if
there's
areas
of
focus
that
you
would
like
us
as
a
finance
committee
to
take
up.
B
Let's
go
ahead
and
respond
to
that
email,
and
I
saw
in
a
meeting
with
councilwoman
romero
worth
you
kind
of
did
something
similar
with
quality
of
life,
and
you
talked
about
specific
presentations
and
how
to
schedule,
and
so
I'll
I'll
take
a
look
at
that
miss
mccoy
and
then
maybe
we
can
do
something
similar
with
the
finance
committee
so
that
we
see
what's
coming
ahead
because
I
think
we're
going
to
be
in
for
a
really
busy
year,
especially
as
a
finance
committee.
B
H
I
would
just
add
mr
chair,
I
I
really
thank
you
for
meeting
with
me
and
with
staff
and
and
the
coordination
work
that
we're
starting
to
do
particularly
around
housing
and
making
sure
that
the
presentations
that
are
being
presented
to
both
committees
really
complement
each
other
and
and
help
us
build
the
understanding
we're
going
to
need
to
make
decisions
as
we
move
through
the
year.
So
thank
you
for
for
working
with
me
on
that.
I
appreciate
it.
B
B
Okay,
well
welcome
back
to
a
new
year,
and
I
thought
this
evening
was
really
good.
Thank
you,
councilwoman
villarreal,
for
those
amendments
and
and
to
the
entire
committee
this.
This
was
a
long
night,
but
I
think
it
was
very
productive
and
hopefully
we'll
get
past
this
chart
issue
tomorrow
and
we
can
move
on
to
some
other
prestige
business.
So
with
that
we
are
adjourned,
have
a
good
night.
Thank
you.
Bye,
everybody
hi.