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A
D
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B
A
Okay.
The
next
item
is
approval
of
the
consent
agenda
items
to
be
removed
from
the
consent
agenda.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Let's
see.
A
Okay,
other
items
to
be
removed,
councilwoman
cassette
sanchez.
A
Okay,
other
items:
councilwoman
lindell
did
you
have
anything.
I
Already
been
pulled,
okay,
councilwoman
romero
worth.
A
J
A
Okay,
can
I
have
a
roll
call,
please.
F
B
A
A
A
Thank
you,
okay.
The
minutes
have
been
approved,
so
that
brings
us
to
action
items,
items
that
were
removed
from
the
consent
agenda.
The
first
is
item
f,
which
is
consideration
of
bill
number
2021-2,
which
is
an
ordinance
approving
global
management
performance
contract
with
dalqia
energy
solutions.
Llc,
subject
to
city
council,
approval
of
a
separate
financing
transaction
to
finance
the
cost
of
the
global
management
performance
contract
councilwoman
via
rael.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
just
wanted
to
ask
some
questions
about
the
contract.
I
do
think
this
is
something
that
we
really
need.
I'm
appreciative
of
the
staff
and
the
time
you
spent
working
on
this.
E
I
know
it's
been
a
long
time,
I
believe,
looking
at
different
options
for
us
as
it
relates
to
lighting
led
lighting,
and
so
I
know
all
of
us
have
had
those
complaints
regularly
about
trying
to
replace
the
lights
lights,
not
working,
trying
to
work
with
and
and
collaborate
with,
pnm
paying
a
lot
of
money
to
pnm
to
get
those
lights
functioning,
not
always
working
that
way.
So
I
appreciate
director
wheeler
and
the
work
that
your
team
has
done.
I
I
was
just
wanting
to
know
a
little
bit
more
about
dolce.
E
Is
that
the
right
way
to
say
it?
Okay
and
I
was
looking
at
the
contract
and
wanted
to
know
a
little
bit
more
about
in
terms
of
costs
to
explain
routine
and
non-routine
maintenance
and
what
that
looks
like
and
yeah.
I
guess
we'll
start
there.
I
have
a
few
questions.
So,
let's
start
there.
Okay,
miss
wilshere.
K
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you,
councillor,
bial,
for
the
questions.
Yes,
this
is
a
is
sort
of
an
exciting
new
frontier
in
street
light
maintenance
for
the
city
of
santa
fe,
the
led
lights,
it's
a
much
more
solid
product
on
our
street
lights.
K
That
will
fail
much
less
often,
and
then
we
will
have
a
country,
that's
dedicated
to
our
street
lights
and
if
you
noticed
in
the
contract,
there's
quite
a
few
eyes
key
performance
indicators
that
the
contractors
held
accountable
for,
for
instance,
repairs
to
multiple
streets
within
three
days
of
being
reported,
I
mean,
as
we
know,
we've
been
living
with
street
lights
out
for
months
on
end,
but
it
it's
a
very
good
question
about
the
routine
and
the
non-routine
maintenance.
K
We
have
kevin
k
here
from
dalqia
director
of
operations
to
provide
more
specifics,
but
my
sort
of
understanding
is
that
you
know
the
light
bulb
itself
is
a
routine
maintenance,
but
sometimes
the
wires
going
to
the
pole
say
have
been
direct,
very
and
they
say,
get
frayed
and
short
out
to
the
ground.
That's
not
routine
maintenance,
that's
actually
repairing
our
aging
infrastructure,
and
so
that
would
be
billable.
K
There's
also.
Some
and
relatively
minor
cases
in
santa
fe
of
copper
theft
that
could
cause
a
non-routine
maintenance
requirement,
there's
also
a
car
accidents
that
knock
down
poles,
and
that
would
be
another
case.
Non-Routine
maintenance.
Although
it
is
worth
noting
that
our
risk
team
does
get
involved
in
those
and
tried
to
subjugate
the
cost
of
a
knockdown
poll
to
the
insurance
company
of
the
person
causing
the
accident.
K
E
I
guess
I'm
thinking
along
the
lines
of
like
defective
equipment
and
if
that's
considered,
routine
or
non-routine,
and
then
it
I
think
they
bill
us
per
unit
rate
and
I'm
just
curious
what
the
unit
rate
is.
K
Mr
chair
and
counselor
via
real,
you
know
it's
a
defective
equipment
is
warranty,
and
so
I
wouldn't
pay
for
work
on
a
failed
lamp
that
was
installed
and
and
then
well.
I
forgot
what
the
second
question
was.
Was
the.
E
L
Yes,
so
the
unit
priceless
that
you're,
referring
to
is
just
for.
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
having
me.
I
appreciate
it
can.
L
Kevin
kennedy
from
dolce
director
of
operations
we'll
be
running
the
implementation,
as
well
as
the
maintenance
contract
above
and
beyond
the
implementation.
So
thank
you
for
having
me
here
today.
L
The
unit
price
list
that
you
refer
to
is
only
for
prices,
for
repairs,
above
and
beyond.
Routine
maintenance
and
routine
maintenance
is
anything
from
the
base
of
the
pole
to
the
fixture
installed.
That
is
what
is
included
in
routine
maintenance.
The
warranty
period
for
the
lights
installed
are
10
years.
So,
if
there's
a
defect
to
the
led
head
itself,
it
is
included
in
routine
maintenance,
there's
no
above
and
beyond
billing.
For
that,
and
we
del
as
dolce
will
work
with
the
manufacturer
on
facilitating
that
warranty
to
replace
the
light.
A
Okay,
well,
we
figured
that
out.
Are
there
any
other
questions
from
the
committee.
M
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
did
have
a
question.
There
was
references
to,
I
believe
it's
artistic
lights
throughout
the
or
artistic
light
display
throughout
the
contract.
Can
we
get
more
information
on
what
that
is,
and
if
that
is
a
consideration
here,
is
that
something
that
we
are
pursuing.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair
khalsa,
cassette
sanchez
for
the
question
we
do.
We
are
not
pursuing
artistic
lighting
at
this
time,
but
we
could
at
the
future,
it's
included
in
the
contract.
In
case
we
do
expand
to
utilize
that.
K
Yes,
mr
chair
counselor,
that's
like
the
you
know,
a
more
artistic
kind
of
like
not
a
big
street
light.
That's
meant
to
spread,
maybe
that
lights
up
a
boulevard
or
a
sidewalk,
a
walkway,
a
path,
a
trail,
something
like
that,
those
kinds
of
lights
that
we
could
install
in
other
places
in
you
know
on
say
if
we
were
to
add
additional
lights
to
the
asekia
trail
or
something
like
that,
they're
they're,
sort
of
a
different
type,
less
industrial,
not
not
regular
street
lights,
maybe
kevin,
could
add
more
clarification
as
well.
L
Cameron
and
jamie,
thank
you,
councilman
jamie!
Thank
you.
Yes,
artistic
lighting.
We
we
recommend
for
lighting
in
between
pole,
lights,
hanging
lights
or
things
of
a
decorative
nature
that
add
value
to
downtown
areas
walkways
as
regina
said,
and
also
sides
of
buildings,
with
led
lights
that
can
be
colored
to
bring
out
holiday
festivities
events
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
It
is
not
an
initial
path
forward
for
regina,
but
it
is
in
there
for
the
future.
L
A
Okay,
any
other
questions
from
the
committee
council
counselor
in
dell.
N
I
realized
she
wasn't.
I
am
I'm
working
on
that
right
now,.
A
Questions
and
then
the
other
items,
all
the
other
items
except.
Oh
she
pulled
also,
so
we
really
can't
proceed
until
we
get
her
back
in.
O
J
A
A
O
E
E
All
right,
I'm
gonna,
try
it
I'm
just
gonna
leave
it
on;
hopefully
it
won't
freeze
again.
I
was
just
curious
about
what
is
considered
proprietary
for
delcia,
or
do
we
own
everything
in
terms?
I
know
the
software
had
said
that
we
would
own
it,
but
is
there
anything
proprietary
that,
if
anything
to
re
anything,
were
to
go
wrong
with
the
company
or
we're
not
satisfied
with
the
products
or
service
long
term?
I'm
just
curious.
What?
E
K
Chairman
counselor
b
arielle
I'd
like
to
answer
one
small
piece
of
that
pnm
is
on
the
call
with
us
tonight
and
they
are
also
converting
the
lights
owned
by
pnm,
which
is
almost
half
of
the
lights
in
the
city,
and
we
will
be
bringing
a
maintenance
contract
that
changes
the
relationship
between
the
city
and
pnm
related
to
maintenance,
so
that
they
would
only
be
maintaining
their
lights.
K
Although
they
have
generously,
I
believe,
put
a
term
into
their
maintenance
agreement.
That
says
they
will
be
available
to
perform
maintenance
on
our
lights.
Should
we
choose
that,
so
it
does
give
us
a
backup.
While
we
go
down
this
new
path,
there's
jamie.
Thank
you
so
much
for
joining
us
jamie
and
then
the
other
thing
that
I
would
say
is
we.
We
had
some
significant
discussions
about
the
software,
because
you
know
we.
K
This
is
a
15-year
term
for
maintenance
of
our
street
lights
and
there'll,
be
quite
a
bit
of
data
in
that
software.
It'll
be
extremely
important
to
us
during
the
contract.
We'll
have
licenses
to
the
software,
and
I've
worked
with
dalqia
to
make
sure
that
there
are
terms
that
allow
us
to
get
the
data
to
assume
responsibility
for
those
licenses
in
the
in
the
software
itself.
If
we
wanted
to
just
convert
and
not
have
to
migrate.
K
So
kevin
can
add
more
color
to
this
he's
more
in
depth,
but
we
have
taken
a
look
at
that
and
thought
about.
You
know
if
we
need
to
end
this
agreement
or
when
the
agreement
does
end
and
some
of
those
implications
thereof.
So
if
you
could
add
a
little
bit
kevin.
Thank
you.
L
Great
yes,
thank
you,
chairman
councilwoman.
There
is
to
address
your
proprietary
question.
There
is
nothing
proprietary
that
we
own
dolce
in
this
contract
as
well
as
you
will
have
full
access
to
the
software
that
we
use.
L
So
I
don't
see
any
limitations
should
it
ever
reach
a
point
where
the
contract
is
broken,
to
continue,
maintaining
and
keeping
all
that
data.
You
want
access
to
all
that.
E
Okay
good
to
know,
thank
you
and
then
I
guess
director
reeler.
I
was
curious
before
we
move
forward
with
dalqia
you
had
you
spoken
to
the
city
of
albuquerque's
staff
to
see
how
the
conversion
process
went
or
how
it's
going,
I'm
not
sure
if
they
completed
it
and
then
how
it
had
been
working
or
has
been
working
with
delphia.
K
Yes,
mr
chair,
I'm
councillor
villarreal.
Thank
you
so
much
for
that
question.
In
fact,
we've
been
working
very
closely
with
the
director
that
was
at
the
city
of
albuquerque
at
the
time
during
the
conversion
and
the
the
transformation
of
the
problems
that
they're
having
with
street
lights
is
dramatic.
K
You
know
maybe
one
one
hundredth
of
the
outages.
They
learned
a
lot
of
lessons
doing
the
big
conversion
city
of
albuquerque.
They
are
complete
and
they're
we're
getting
we're
the
beneficiary
of
those
lessons.
K
These
same
people
that
were
involved
in
the
albuquerque
transition
like
kevin
and
jamie,
and
some
of
the
project
managers
are
also
involved
in
our
project.
So
we
have
been
doing
a
lot
of
lesson
sharing
and
and
being
the
beneficiaries
of
that,
and
I
think
it's
going
really
well,
and
perhaps
you
know
it's
kind
of
be
better
to
have
someone
from
the
city
of
albuquerque
here
but
kevin.
Could
you
provide
any
reporting
from
some
of
your
first
few
months
of
the
after
conversion.
L
Sure,
yes,
chairman
councilwoman,
thank
you.
We
will
have
the
like
regina,
said,
a
very
similar
team,
doing
the
conversion
that
was
done
in
the
city
of
albuquerque
successfully,
with
no
safety
incidents
throughout
the
entire
conversion
of
upwards
of
20
000
streetlights.
So
we're
very
excited
to
roll
out
that
same
team
learned
a
lot
of
lessons
and
plan
to
have
another
successful
install
here
in
santa
fe.
E
Thank
you
and
mr
k
right.
Okay,
there
was
something
an
email
was
brought
well.
This
issue
is
brought
to
our
attention
about
a
lawsuit,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
can
quell
that
concern
that
came
up
and
what,
if
that
was
a
lawsuit
with
the
city
of
albuquerque
or
if
you
can
just
make
sure
that
that's
not
something
that
we
should
be
concerned
about
for
the
city
of
santa
fe,.
L
Yes
and
jc
florencen,
who
was
key
to
this,
is
also
in
the
the
line
as
well.
He
can
add
anything
that
needs
to
be
added,
but
the
lawsuits
that
you're
referring
to
are,
with
our
so
originally
cityloom
had
the
contract
as
a
sister
company
of
ours,
we
consolidated
the
united
states
to
go
under
one
umbrella
under
dalkia,
so
you're
getting
the
same
type
of
long
history
of
service
that
city
loom
has
and
we'll
continue
with
with
dolce
in
the
in
the
contract.
L
Those
are
individual
suits
that
are
not
have
little
to
do
with
kind
of
our
operations
and
maintenance,
but
I'll.
Let
jc
confirm
a
little
bit
more
on
that
that.
K
And
that'll
require
that
joe
promote
the
phone
or
call
the
dial
in
actually
zhang
christophe.
Florenson
is
who
k
have
been
referring
to
and
he's
on
the
phone
because
he's
in
houston,
where
they're
frozen
and
have
no
power
and
he's
using
the
last
of
his
cell
phone
battery
to
be
with
her
tonight
but
joe.
If
you
could
promote
that
phone
caller
to
the
panelist
and
he
could
respond.
I.
O
P
P
So
site
loom
is
named
as
co-defendant
in
albuquerque,
where
there
is
some
lawsuits
where
both
the
city
of
albuquerque
and
sitaum
as
a
contractor
are
named
as
co-defendants
in
lawsuits
where
there
is
a
allegation
that
lights
might
have
been
a
reason
for
an
accident
to
happen
so,
and
these
lawsuits
are
being
descended
now,
where
dalkia
on
the
up
on
behalf
of
citadel,
is
providing
all
the
necessary
information
showing
that
the
lights
were
properly
maintained
at
the
time
of
the
events,
so
both
and
there's
there's
there's
been
no
findings
of
wrongdoing
on
the
part
of
citadel
or
and
that's
as
far
as
I
can
explain
on
this
ongoing
case,
where
ctelim
and
alkya
are
providing
all
the
information
to
the
city
of
albuquerque.
K
And
chairman
and
counselor,
if
I
could
add
a
little
bit,
this
goes
on
with
street
lights.
The
city
of
santa
fe
pays
tort
claims
for
potential
aggravation
of
conditions
that
cause
damages
and
accidents
and
incidents
under
streetlights
that
are
not
functioning.
K
So
it's
not
uncommon
in
and
pnm
and
the
city
of
santa
fe
have
faced
a
couple
of
those
since
I've
been
here
in
the
last
two
years.
So
it's
not
uncommon
that
suits
be
filed
in
some
cases
like
that.
E
P
This
is
what
this
is:
jc
franzen
and
I'm
the
vice
president
of
business
development
for
dalkia
and
a
former
employee
of
of
site
loom,
and
yes,
this
is
one
of
the
allegation
of
the
plaintiff
that
that
the
the
light
was
one
of
the
reasons
and
without
going
into
too
many
details.
I
think,
thanks
to
the
plan
and
the
software
that
was
put
in
place
with
this
contract,
we
believe
that
we
are
able
to
provide
the
necessary
information
to
actually
show
that
the
the
lights
were
properly
maintained
in
those
in
instances.
E
Okay,
thank
you,
jc.
Thanks
for
joining
us
good
luck,
you're.
O
E
And
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Director
wheeler.
I
just
had
a
question
about
just
ultimately,
we
went
through
an
rfp
process.
Is
that
correct?
So
there
were
other
groups
considered.
K
Chairman
counselor,
via
real:
no,
we
did
not.
We
used
our
procurement
code,
procurement
method
of
exist,
use
of
existing
contracts,
so
city
of
albuquerque
went
through
a
full
rfp
got
it.
E
Got
it
thanks
for
that
clarity
for
the
pledge
revenue
fund
or
just
in
general,
can
you
explain
the
pledge
revenues
for
me
like
how
they
work,
how
we're
able
to
gain
revenue
from
the
conversion?
E
K
Chairman
counselor
viriel,
we
have
both
brad
flitch
and
peter
franklin
here.
I
think
they
would
be
the
right
ones
to
answer
that
question.
Q
Good
evening,
counselor
good
out
good
evening,
chairman
on
the
pledge
revenue
fund,
so
imagine
in
the.
Q
Year
out
energy
in
their
investment
grade
audit,
what
they've
done
is
they've
projected
a
static
city
going
out
18
years
into
the
future
and
saying
okay.
This
is
how
much
electricity
a
static
future
city
would
use,
and
this
is
what
it
would
cost,
and
by
replacing
these
pieces
of
equipment,
solar
panels
on
water
pumps
and
led
lights
and
things,
the
city
would
only
use
this
much
electricity
versus
that
static.
Q
So
the
difference
between
what
we
actually
spend
on
electricity
and
what
we
were
projected
to
spend
on
electricity
is
put
into
that
special
revenue
fund
in
order
to
fund
the
debt
service.
E
E
K
Mr
chair
counselor
virial,
it
does
not.
Unless
a
poll
is
non-functioning,
we
do.
We
have
got
some
money
in
the
contract
for
making
miscellaneous
deferred
maintenance
repairs
as
we
go
through
the
conversion.
So
if
there
is
a
case
where
there
something
needs
to
be
replaced,
we
have
some
funds
to
cover
that.
Otherwise
we
will
be
actually
making
a
really
great
logging
of
the
condition
of
our
asset
here
and
make
a
plan
for
repairs
as
necessary.
E
Do
you
know
what
that
amount
is
right
now,
director,
wheeler,
just
curious.
E
K
E
Okay,
so
that
would
be
available
for
any
infrastructure
issues
we
have,
and
maybe
consideration
of
appropriate
poles
for
certain
areas
like
reconsideration
or
not
necessarily.
K
It's
not
for
new
poles.
It's
for
repairing,
like
we
expect
to
find
some
wiring,
that's
in
bad
shape,
maybe
a
broken
pole.
But
but
if
there's
money
left
over,
we
could
look
at
improvements,
but
certainly
counselor,
b.
Real.
If
you
have
a
request
for
an
additional
poll
in
a
location,
pnm
is
actually
currently
working
on
the
one
that
counselor
v
hill
coupler
made
us
aware
of
that
is
desired
by
this
state.
Capital
and
we'd
be
happy
to
have
your
request
as
well
and
start
working
on
that.
E
Yeah,
I
guess
it
was
more
about
understanding
looking
at
existing
polls
that
were
that
were
more
about
safety
issues
versus
wanting
new
polls,
because
one
is
too
tall
for
a
certain
neighborhood,
or
something
like
that.
So
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that.
I
think
that's
it.
Thank
you
for
your
patience,
my
technical
difficulties.
A
D
A
Thank
you,
okay.
That
item
has
been
approved.
Our
next
item
is
consideration:
item
h,
which
is
consideration
of
bill
number
2021-4;
an
ordinance
approving
lease
purchase
agreement
and
escrow
agreement
with
sterling
national
bank
for
the
purpose
of
financing,
the
installation
of
energy
efficiency
measures
in
city
facilities
pursuant
to
the
energy
savings
performance
contract
with
year
out
energy
services
llc
and
the
global
management
performance
contract
with
delkia
energy
solutions,
llc
councilwoman
villarreal.
E
Just
wanted
to
see
we,
we
have
a
agreement,
not
agreement
well
yeah.
Actually,
an
agreement
and
relationship
with
sterling.
Already.
Is
that
correct?
Q
Okay,
chairman
councillor
villarreal,
we
do
not
have
a
relationship
with
sterling
at
this
time.
E
I
thought
we
had
other
contracts
with
them.
Q
E
Okay,
so
it
gets
the
the
main
question
I
had
was
try
and
understand,
or
maybe
you
could
explain
why
it's
important
to
set
up
a
purchase
agreement,
an
escrow
agreement
or
a
lease
purchase
agreement.
An
escrow
agreement
with
a
financial
institution
like
sterling,
maybe
just
explain
their
role
in
this
in
layman's
terms,.
A
Peter
regina,
who
was.
K
R
Counselor
vrdl:
this
is
sort
of
a
standard
way
that
these
types
of
improvements
are
financed
by
banking
institutions.
They
like
to
do
them
as
lease
purchase
agreements.
R
The
at
the
purpose
of
the
escrow
agreement
is
that
they
will
hold
the
funds
and,
as
year
out
and
dalkia
invoice
the
city
for
progress
payments
on
those
installation
agreements
sterling
bank,
as
escrow
agent,
will
release
the
funds
to
them.
It's
just
their
way
of
sort
of
making
sure
that
the
money
goes
for
what
it's
supposed
to
go
to.
E
And
I
also
think
I
mean
we-
we
were
able
to
get
some
funding
from
the
legislature,
but
the
rest
of
this
is
funded
through
this
particular
mechanism
with
interest.
R
Yes,
counselor
the
the
lease
purchase
agreement
will
yeah
when
the
lease
purchased
transaction
closes.
The
bank
will
advance
an
amount
sufficient
to
pay
the
contract
price
of
both
the
the
year
out
and
the
dolce
agreements,
and
that
money
will
be
placed
in
escrow
and
will,
as
I
said,
will
be
released.
You
know
as
progress
payments.
Meanwhile,
the
city
is
paying
debt
service
from
those
pledged
utility
cost
savings
revenues.
R
I
think
the
debt
service
rate
is.
I
want
to
brad
help.
L
K
And
if
I
could
add
to
that,
yes
counselor
via
real
you're
correct,
we
received
925
000
from
the
legislature
for
this
project
and
that
has
been
applied
towards
the
total
cost
of
the
project.
And
so
we
were
able
to
borrow
that
much
less
money
got
it.
E
Okay,
there
was
an
equipment,
lease
purchase
agreement.
There
was
a
an
equipment
schedule
on
page.
E
R
Counselor,
if
I
may
answer
that,
the
the
the
descriptions
of
the
utility
cost
savings
improvements
and
the
leds
have
been
updated
in
that
agreement
and
are
now
in
final
form,
I
thought
I
had
distributed
that
updated
form
of
agreement
to
the
city,
but
I
I
can
send
it
straight
away
here.
E
R
I'm
I
I
don't
have
the
agreement
up
in
front
of
me
if,
if
it's
related
to
the
year
out
agreement,
the
solar
panels
are
the
main
part
of
the
improvements
to
bdd
facilities
and
I
think
some
other
city
facilities
as
well.
Regina
is
going
to
know
this
better
than
I
do
dalkia.
It's
all
three
lights.
K
Chairman
council,
via
real
yes,
we
are
only
installing
solar
systems
as
a
renewable
energy
solution
on
this
project,
but
there
is
quite
a
bit
of
equipment
associated
with
the
solar
array.
It
includes
the
inverter,
you
know
and
wiring
and
connectors
and
some
are
some
are
ground
mounts
some
are
car
ports,
so
there'll
be
that
kind
of
equipment,
and
so
I
expect
that
you
know:
solar
panels
are
certainly
the
primary,
but
they
don't
feed
it
onto
the
grid
without
a
an
inverter.
E
E
I
think
that's
all
I
had,
I
think.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
A
A
A
Yes,
okay,
thank
you,
okay,
so
that
brings
us
to
item
j,
which
is
request
for
approval
of
amendment
number
one
to
original
service
contract
20-026
with
facility
build
inc
to
increase
compensation
in
the
amount
of
445
000
for
design
build
services
on
a
new
restroom
in
downtown
santa
fe
councilwoman
via
rael.
Thank
you,
mr.
E
Chair
and
I
I
hope
mr
randall's
with
us-
I
just
wanted
to
ask
a
couple
questions.
I
excited
this
is
happening,
I'm
very
supportive.
I
just
wanted
to
understand
the
the
players
here
and
some
funding
changes
so
lloyd
and
associates
was
hired
initially
correct
for
design
and
architectural.
S
Mr
chair
counselor,
it
was
basically
concept
drawings
that
lloyd
associates
did.
E
Okay,
so
concept
drawings,
not
an
official
architectural
design,
is
that
correct.
S
Mr
chairman
counselor,
he
did
do
a
design,
but
at
the
time
the
funding
wasn't
there
to
pursue
it.
E
S
Mr
chair
council,
I
did
not
see
it.
I
did
not
bring
this
forward,
but
maybe
kurt
could
answer
that.
T
Yeah,
mr
chair
counselor,
no,
I
did
not
provide
that
in
in
the
packet
for
the
new
design
for
the
for
the
new,
the
way
that
they've
they've
they
redesigned
it.
We
we
went
through
several
changes
with
them
going
through
the
design
with
mr
randall
and
the
mayor
a
few
other
people
on
the
way
that
it
should
look
the
way
that
it
was
positioned
on
the
property
there
at
the
at
the
parking
lot.
But
I
do
I
do
actually
have
the
design
I
can.
I
can
send
that
out.
E
T
T
One
of
one
of
the
problems
we
ran
into
with
some
of
the
cost
was
the
when
you,
when
you
build
a
building
next
to
an
existing
building,
it
has
to
be
a
fireproof
wall,
so
that
was
going
to
be
a
much
much
more
costly
design,
the
one
that
lloyd
did
originally
came
in
at
the
time.
The
budget
was
only
500
000
for
this
project
and
when
we
went
out
for
preliminary
pricing,
it
came
in
at
over
a
million
dollars
and
that
that
was
one
of
the
big
considerations.
T
Excuse
me,
so,
basically,
it's
been
rotated
out
now
along
the
parallel
to
water
street,
where
they
can
see
it
from
the
street.
It's
not
going
straight
back
towards
the
indian
palace,
restaurant,
so
it'll
be
kind
of
fronting
the
street,
and
I
apologize
for
not
putting
that
in
the
in
the
packet.
I
just
I
didn't
know
if
they
would
want
to
see
that
since
I
had
the
cost
in
there,
but
I
will
certainly
send
that
out
to
all
the
counselors
to
look
at.
T
Yeah
we
angled
it.
We
did
some
angle
work
to
it.
We
put
up
like
a
little
mini
courtyard
there
that
we're
gonna
do
have
some
arts
in
public
place
come
in
with
some
of
their
funding.
For
this
project
do
a
little
bit
of
artwork.
In
there
it's
gonna
it.
It
looks
nice
I
mean
the
the
the
design
that
we
finally
came
up
with.
It's
changed
several
times
from
the
original
design.
It's
it's
just
totally
different
from
what
it
was
from
the
beginning.
T
Even
once
facility
build
picked
up
the
project,
their
original
design
was
not
quite
what
the
what
was
wanted,
and
so
we
have
a
pretty
nice
design
now
for
a
restroom,
it's
it's,
it's
gonna,
be
really.
Nice
has
a
kiosk
in
it.
For
tourism,
they'll
be
able
to
watch
the
people
going
in
and
out
it's
it's
it's
going
to
be
pretty
it'll
it'll,
be
a
good
addition
to
the
downtown
area.
E
No
thanks
kurt
with
the
design
change
for
the
water
basin,
the
shared
water
basin
or
the
water,
the
shared
sink.
You
know
how
they
had
the
original
design
of
a
shared
sink.
Did
that
change,
or
is
that
still
in
play?
No.
T
We
have
two
different
sides:
now
we
are
going
to
go
with
like
kind
of
like
a
cast
concrete
sink
they'll
be
individual
sinks,
but
they'll
be
they'll,
be
cast
and
put
into
the
wall
there.
They
won't
be
individual
attached.
It'll
be
a
long
counter
with
sinks
built
in
out
of
concrete
is
what
we're
looking
at
now.
S
E
T
Yes,
this
chair
counselor-
that
is
that's
basically
a
contingency
that
we
like
to
put
into
some
projects
because
being
down
in
that
area
there's
there
may
be
some
archaeological
things
that
happen
down
there.
Some
type
of
you
know
when
we
do
the
infrastructure
for
putting
in
the
sewer
and
hooking
the
water
up
the
electricity.
T
That's
just
an
unanticipated
cost
overrun,
that's
not
guaranteed
that
the
contractor
will
get
that.
That's
just
basically
a
contingency
in
case.
We
do
need
some
extra
funding,
so
the
project
doesn't
stop
and
we
don't
have
to
come
back
to
to
ask
for
something.
You
know
that
could
be
a
minor
minor
change
or
something
minor
while
they're
doing
the
construction
and
we
can
keep
moving
ahead,
but.
T
E
H
A
Yes,
okay,
thank
you.
That
item
is
approved.
That
brings
us
to
item
o,
which
is
a
resolution
requiring
governing
body
approval
prior
to
announcing
the
availability
of
any
city-owned
land
buildings
or
other
real
property
for
sale.
This
item
was
heard
and
postponed
at
the
governing
body
meeting
of
february
10th,
specifically
so
that
the
finance
committee
could
look
at
the
fiscal
impact
report.
I
see
that
councillors,
garcia
and
vihil
koppler
are
with
us
as
sponsors
of
the
resolution.
A
So
if
there's
any
questions
or
or
they
like
to
comment
I'll,
give
them
the
opportunity
but
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
started
with
councilwoman
cassette
sanchez,
you
pulled
this,
then
we'll
go
to
the
finance
committee
and
again
I'll,
allow
the
other
counselors
who
have
joined
us
to
participate.
Also
so
councilwoman
cassette
sanchez.
M
Here
I
primarily
wanted
to
explore
the
fir
and
both
just
kind
of
some
general
questions
about.
M
I
think
a
broader
discussion
about
firs
is
in
order
at
some
point
whether
we
do
that
tonight
or
very
very
soon,
but
I
did
want
to
explore
some
of
the
pieces
that
were
in
this
fir
that
were
listed
as
points
of
interest,
so
we'll
just
get
started
so
the
first
one
that
I
saw
was
that
it
says
that
it's
notable
that
this
resolution
does
not
set
a
minimum
threshold
to
trigger
a
public
presentation,
and
I
was
curious
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
the
from
the
preparers
of
the
fir.
M
U
Mr
chair,
good
evening
to
the
members
of
the
council,
counselor,
I'm
gonna
have
andrea
speak
to
that,
but
we
also
have
a
short
presentation
that
give
you
some
context
on
the
bigger
picture
on
the
exceptions
and
the
fiscal
impact
of
the
fir
and
I'll
state.
Two
things
before
we
move
forward
one.
I
state
that
the
economic
development
department
and
asset
development
department
does
agree
to
the
resolution.
U
We
are
ready
to
move
forward
with
resolution
and,
secondly,
that
we
did
go
back
to
hr,
finance
and
legal
and
have
extracted
the
staff
overtime
cost
related
to
the
fir,
so
that
has
been
removed,
but
there
are
other
fiscal
impacts
and
that
will
sort
of
be
talked
about
in
the
the
presentation
that
we
have
because
we've
been
we've
been
reviewing
land
sales
since
about
june
of
last
year.
So
if
you
would
indulge
me
I'd
like
to
just
go
through
a
couple
slides
if
I
could
and
then
hopefully
we'll
answer
your
questions.
M
U
Sure,
thank
you
so
much
so
I
think
we
have
screen
shareability
and.
U
And
I'm
joined
tonight
with
andrea
salazar
from
our
legal
team,
so
she
can
sort
of
talk
about
the
legal
issues
that
are
involved
and
there
is
a
slide
that
we've
hidden
that
talks
about
boys
and
girls
club,
but
we're
not
going
to
show
it
tonight.
So
we
can
respectfully
have
our
our
chair
at
the
meeting.
So
we'll
just
briefly
mention
that
there
are
some
issues
with
a
property
that
belongs
to
the
boys
and
girls
club,
but
we're
not
going
to
talk
about
it
in
detail.
U
So
what
we
did
was
we
put
together
a
group
of
slides
just
to
give
you
some
context
on
the
prior
discussions
we've
had
in
the
history
of
land
sales
that
we've
been
reviewing,
and
so
I
just
want
to
sort
of
take
you
back
a
bit.
I
came
on
as
director
in
october
of
2019,
so
some
of
this
discussion
started
back
in
june,
so
I'm
going
to
have
andrea
sort
of
talk
through
the
disposition
options
that
we
have
discussed
in
executive
session
and
then
we'll
move
forward
to
the
goals
that
we
were.
V
Here,
committee
members-
thank
you
for
having
us
tonight,
so
I
have
sent
you
all
out
a
attorney-client
privilege
decision
tree
about
the
state
statute
and
evaluating
the
process
for
for
sale
and
disposition
of
land,
but
this
is
kind
of
a
generic.
These
are
the
five
ways
that
we
could
dispose
of
property.
V
We
have
a
private
sale,
a
public
sale,
a
request
for
proposals,
exchange
or
donation
of
real
property
with
state
or
any
local
public
subdivisions
or
the
federal
government,
or
we
can
donate
real
property
pursuant
to
the
local
economic
development
act
leader
or
the
affordable
housing
act.
So
those
are
our
real
five
strategies.
V
Most
of
the
time,
the
first
three,
when
we're
talking
about
disposition
of
assets
for
monetary
value,
we're
talking
about
the
first
three
private
sale
where
we
just
engage
in
a
in
a
sale,
that's
queued
up
where
someone
either
offers
a
piece
of
property.
I'm
sorry,
a
price
for
a
piece
of
our
property.
Public
sale
is
more
of
a
public
bid
process
where
we
put
the
piece
on
the
market
and
the
height
goes
to
the
highest
bidder.
V
Request
for
proposals
is
like
the
midtown
site,
where
we
seek
proposals
and
evaluate
them
and
take
it
through
the
procurement
process.
I
did
want
to
address
your
question
counselor
cass
at
sanchez,
which
talked
about
the
minimum
threshold.
The
reason
that
we
put
that
in
the
language
there
is
because,
under
the
statute
which
is
3-54-1,
there
is
a
minimum
threshold
which
is
the
25
000.
V
If
a
piece
of
property
is
under
25
000,
then
it's
not
subject
to
a
referendum
period,
but
we
also
have
sales
of
property
that
have
existed
years
back
slices
of
easements.
We
have
sidewalk
pieces,
we
have
pieces
of
right-of-way
that
might
not
be
used.
All
of
those
things
would
still
be
looked
at
as
a
public
print
presentation
that
would
go
through
this
whole
process
if
we're
not
putting
a
minimum
or
a
maximum
amount
of
money
attached
to
that
sale
amount.
So
that
is
why
we
did
put
that
in
there.
Thank
you.
U
Okay,
so
the
next
slide
really
just
talks
about
the
fact
that,
since
june
of
2019,
we've
had
a
series
of
executive
session
meetings
with
the
governing
body
to
talk
about
investigating
assets.
Looking
at
the
strategies
around,
what
do
we
do
with
the
underperforming
ones?
What
do
we
do
to
move
it
forward
and
we've
had
the
the
the
following
goals
since
that
time
and
in
june
kevin
kellogg
was
actually
the
asset
development
manager,
and
I
was
just
on
the
economic
development
team
and
then
coming
in
january.
U
We
we
moved
over
to
my
new
role
in,
and
the
next
slide
will
will
address
that,
but
we
have
four
different
goals:
maximizing
the
city's
investments
take
non-performing
assets
off
the
city's
books,
obtain
something
the
city
desires.
One
of
them
is
housing,
so
we
could
use
those
assets.
We
talked
about
the
scattered
sites
in
one
of
our
discussions
and
then
build
trust
through
transparency.
U
So
we
recognize
that
coming
to
our
governing
body
in
the
torrent
period,
it
was
through
the
executive
session,
but
we
do
come
back
to
the
governing
body
in
a
full
public
debate
when
a
public
parcel
is
up
for
sale,
and
that
was
at
the
recommendation
phase
and
now
we're
talking
about
having
that
debate
at
the
proposal
stage
when
we
look
at
a
parcel
or
property
that
might
be
up
for
sale
and
if
you
recall
back
in
january
of
2020,
I
put
this
slide
up
to
say.
U
I
believe
we
are
going
to
head
into
an
economic
downturn
back
in
january
2020,
and
so
this
slide
is
very
present,
because
what
we
were
trying
to
do,
as
we
were
thinking
about
asset
sales,
is
that
we
wanted
to
sort
of
capitalize
on
the
current
business
and
consumer
climate
so
that
we
could
sell
the
assets
that
we
thought
were
non-performing.
That
could
go
to
the
market,
but
then
close
them,
because
we
recognize
that
one
of
the
things
we're
going
to
need
to
do
in
this
economic
downturn
was
to
figure
out
ways
to
stimulate
the
economy.
U
Look
at
recovery
look
at
resiliency.
So
while
I
was
off
by
a
quarter
of
I'm
sorry
almost
a
year,
this
is
happening
now
and
we
are
probably
still
going
to
be
in
a
downturn
as
we
go
into
fy
22..
So
so
our
strategy
around
why
we
were
selling
these
assets
was
about
this
slide
here
that
we
talked
about
in
january,
about
we're
need
to
get
ahead
of
any
economic
downturn
and
using
some
of
the
windfall
non-performing
assets
to
address
the
economic
downturn
and
to
stimulate
our
economy.
V
So
the
the
asset
team
has
developed
a
process,
and
this
is
really
about
what
we
heard
from
you
counselors,
that
we
had
a
number
of
people
who
were
interested
in
pieces
of
property,
and
so
we
wanted
to
know
how
do
we
move
forward
on
those?
And
so
it
had
been
determined
that
this
was
the
protocol
that
we
were
moving
forward,
and
this
is
what
we
have
been
following:
our
path
to
obtain
our
own
appraisal.
So
the
city
obtains
appraisal
itself
place
a
public
notice
that
real
property
is
for
sale.
V
Staff
is
creating
both
ads
that
go
into
the
new
mexican
and
the
reporter
and
staff
has
created
a
website
that
people
can
look
at
which
has
due
diligence
documents.
Then
staff
would
accept
offers
for
a
period
of
60
days
from
public
notice
staff
will
present
the
offers
to
governing
body
depending
on
the
type
of
scheme.
There
is
whether
it's
a
private
sale,
a
public
sale,
an
rfp,
a
swap
that
all
depends
on
kind
of
what.
V
That
ordinance
cannot
move
forward
to
public
hearing
unless
all
the
details,
like
the
price
of
the
sale
who
the
purchaser
is
all
those
details
when
the
timing
for
the
purchase,
all
of
that
is
included
in
the
ordinance
along
with
the
pub
the
purchase
agreement.
V
If
it
exceeds
the
25
000
mark,
then
it
has
a
referendum
period
of
45
days
prior
to
closing.
At
the
end
of
that
period,
then
there
is
a
closing.
V
So
what
we
want
to
highlight
for
you
in
a
couple
of
these
slides
are
some
of
the
discussions
that
we
have
had
previously
and
this
first
one
is
the
santa
fe
estates
discussion.
So
between
march
2020,
through
february
of
2021,
we've
had
executive
sessions
about
this
piece
of
property
explaining
one
we
we
participated
in
a
in
a
in
an
agreement
with
santa
fe
estates
was
the
previous
owner,
and
so
we
were
terminating
that
agreement
for
this
city
to
own
the
property
and
then
be
able
to
market
it.
V
So
the
area
is
already
master
planned.
There
aren't
any
infrastructure
improvements.
V
We
obtained
appraisal
on
march
19th
2020
that
evaluated
the
property
is
approximately
four
million
dollars
there
at
the
time,
and
currently
I
believe
there
were
six
interested
parties,
no
former
letters
of
intent,
and
so
starting
in
february,
we
set
up
our
website
put
that
out
in
ads
and
have
it
open
for
offers
currently.
So
that
is
the
first
property.
V
These
two
properties
we
have
talked
about
also
during
this
time
frame,
starting
in
march
of
2020
warehouse
21
and
the
market
street
condo
both
of
those
we
obtained
appraisals
last
year
so
february,
6th
for
warehouse,
21
march
12th
for
the
market
street
condo,
which
is
suite
200..
V
The
city
had
received
a
letter
of
interest.
This
is
kind
of
what
spurred
that
warehouse
21.
How
should
we
proceed
with
it
for
high
density
housing?
The
entity
was
interested
in
building
in
the
building
and
the
adjacent
parcel.
So
we
had
started
that
discussion
about
queuing
that
up
for
sale
with
the
market
street
condo.
We
also
received
a
letter
of
interest
for
the
building,
for
that
condo
portion.
Purchase
proposal
was
to
have
the
city,
continue,
leasing
the
space
to
city
departments
and
build
out
the
raw
space
to
accommodate
additional
city
departments.
V
So
those
were
all
discussions
that
we
have
had.
We
haven't
put
this
on
the
market
yet,
but
our
time
frame
for
our
appraisals-
and
we
will
be
talking
about
that
at
the
end-
is
approximately
a
year.
So
you
know:
if
we
go
beyond
the
appraisal
date,
then
we
will
have
to
obtain
new
appraisals
for
these
properties.
V
So
I
did
want
it
to
explain
that
the
only
piece
of
property
that
the
city
has
sold
from
2020
to
the
present
is
the
santa
fe
clay
building,
and
I
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
about
this.
The
city
didn't
have
it
on
the
market.
Instead,
santa
fe
rail
yard
community
corporation
sfrcc,
who
was
under
their
lease
and
management
agreement,
had
both
the
building
and
the
ground
under
their
lease
and
management
agreement.
V
They
had
an
interested
party
who
wanted
to
have
the
the
ground
lease
but
wanted
to
buy
the
building
instead
of
lease
the
building,
because
they
wanted
to
do
substantial
renovations
to
it,
so
they
they
asked
if
their
their
potential
tenant
could
buy
the
building
and
we
evaluated
the
appraisal.
V
At
that
time
it
was
with
kevin
kellogg,
who
also
went
out
with
the
appraiser
and
looked
at
the
building
and
understood
what
all
of
the
complicated
factors
with
the
building
were
and
presented
that
to
governing
body
that
ordinance
for
sale
of
the
building
was
approved
in
january
20,
29,
2020,
luna
capital
due
to
coveted
investments
and
all
kinds
of
things
that
had
complicated.
V
The
situation
submitted
an
amendment
to
the
purchase
agreement
that
went
through,
I
believe
at
the
end
of
november,
beginning
of
december
and
that
purchase
agreement
and
closing
occurred
on
december
31st
of
last
year.
So
that
is
the
only
piece
of
property
that
has
actually
been
sold,
and
I
did
want
to
explain
that.
U
This
last
slide
really
just
talks
about
the
going
into
the
fiscal
impact
aspect
to
it,
and
there
are
two
major
bullet
points
here.
One
is
that
again,
staff
time
fiscal
impact
updated
I'm
trying
to
get
a
new
fir
to
everyone
on
the
council
and
that's
going
through
jesse
ian.
So
you
should
hopefully
get
that
after
it's
reviewed
from
mary
and
at
the
legal
department,
but
the
other
potential
fiscal
impact
is
that,
from
what
you've
seen
in
context
of
the
discussions
we've
had
about
properties.
U
Every
time
we
came
to
one
of
the
executive
sessions
to
talk
about
properties,
we
had
a
appraisal
ready
to
go
appraisal,
and
so
those
appraisal
announced
are
finishing
up
in
their
shelf
life.
We
will
have
to
renew
them
going
forward
as
we
look
at
any
of
these
properties
that
will
have
to
come
through
this
public
notice
resolution
that
we're
discussing.
U
So
I
wanted
to
to
lay
that
out
to
so
you
know
that
that
we
will
have
to
update
appraisers
as
we
look
through,
but
we're
also
also
looking
at
their
serious
market
conditions
with
the
appraisals
and
also
the
commercial
real
estate
space.
U
So
so
there
is
time
of
essence
to
some
of
these
properties,
but
the
main
big
picture
is
that,
as
we
look
at
them
over
the
next
almost
45
days,
some
will
have
new
appraisals
that
need
to
be
done
and
some
will
not,
and
so
that
I
wanted
to
share
is
that
there
is
no
physical
impact
from
a
staff
overtime
staff
time
standpoint,
but
there
could
be
potentially
some
impacts,
ranging,
I
think,
andrea
from
2000
to
7000
per
parcel.
Am
I
correct?
V
M
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
for
that
presentation.
I
I
do
appreciate
it
get
to
the
appraisals.
In
a
minute,
I'm
curious
about
the
andrea
you
had
mentioned
kind
of
those
smaller
pieces
of
land,
the
easements,
the
sidewalks,
etc
that
we
might
sell
that
would
be
under
25
000..
How
frequently
do
we
see
those.
V
You
know,
I
I
don't
know
the
frequency
the
best
person
to
talk
to
would
probably
be,
and
I
could
ask
him
before
governing
body
meeting
is
ed
v
hill.
He
definitely
has
a
a
lot
of
information
about
what
has
happened
in
the
past
and
you
know.
Sometimes
you
have
things
where
the
city
owns
a
piece
of
property
and
someone's
property
is
encroaching
on
it,
and
so
we
queue
up
some
type
of
sale
to
facilitate.
U
D
M
And
so
in
a
situation
such
as
that
would
what
we
are
considering
here
apply,
because
what
what
I'm
understanding
is
that
would
be
somebody
saying
hey.
We
want
to
purchase
this
piece
of
land
from
the
city
and
we're
talking
about
publicly
listing
something
for
sale.
So
would
would
that
would
this
resolution
impact
situations
such
as
that.
V
Counselor
and
short
answer
is
that
the
resolution
doesn't
necessarily
define
what
what
a
public
sale
is
queued
up
for.
So
the
reason
why
I'm
saying
that
is
is
the
first
slide
delineating.
You
know
public
private
sales,
what
we're
talking
about
is
technically
a
private
sale,
and
that
is
actually
what
we
have
created
the
template
for
that
all
private
sales.
Even
if
we're
getting
letters
of
in
of
interest
we're
basically
creating
a
public
process
for
it,
it's
not
a
public
auction
but
we're
putting
out
public
notice,
and
so
we
do
have
circumstances.
V
We
have
a
lot
of
circumstances
where
people
have
offered
us
money
for
pieces
of
property,
and
so
there's
been
a
request.
Well,
no,
we
don't
want
to
take
that
offer.
Let's
make
it
a
public
notice,
sale
so
put
it
publicly
out
there.
I
think
that
the
terms
of
art
which
are
defined
in
the
statute
mean
one
thing:
the
terms
of
art
that
we're
using
for
how
we're
selling
things
is
slightly
different
and
a
little
bit
outside.
M
Okay,
so
so
maybe
this
is
a
question
for
the
sponsors
about
intention
of
in
what
situations
would
would
this
resolution
come
into
play.
A
E
Well,
I
I
actually
was
going
to
defer
to
councilwoman
vehicle
coupler,
because
I
actually
don't
know
the
answer
to
that
about
sidewalks
and
small
land
parcels
or.
M
Even
just
the
situations
like
they
described
when
we
get
a
letter
of
interest,
you
know
for,
for
example,
warehouse
21..
You
know
how
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
how
this
would
impact.
M
If
there
is
a
letter
of
interest
and
we're
interested
in
it,
do
we
just
go
ahead
and
vote
as
we
would
with
the
ordinance
for
the
sale
or
at
that
point,
would
we
then
have
the
option
to
reject
it
and
then
say,
but
we
do
want
to
put
it
up
for
for
sale
and
listed
and
then
we'd
vote
for
that,
so
councillor
b
hilcapo,
if
you
could
provide
some
more
information,
that
would
be
wonderful.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
I'm
not
sure
if
I
lost
a
little
bit
of
the
intent
of
your
question
along
the
way,
but
I
I
am
totally
cognizant
now
of
some
of
the
issues
regarding
the
small
parcels,
and
I
know
that
since
I've
been
on
the
council,
there
have
been
two
two
that
I
can
recall:
two
land
sales
that
were
related
to
encroachments
and
such
and
they
were
very
small
pieces.
G
One
was
along
richards
avenue
and
there
was
it
was
kind
of
a
useless
little
piece
of
stretch
where
the
adjacent
owner
wanted
to
buy
it,
and
then
I
think
there
was
one
I
remember
counselor
vial,
like
you
might
recall.
I
think
there
was
something
that
you
were
very
interested
in
where
we
sold
some
land
somewhere
in
your
district.
I
can't
remember,
but
there's
only
been
two,
but
I
I
am.
G
G
So
I
am
willing
to
do
an
amendment
that
would
cover
things
like
that,
and
maybe
if,
if
I
proposed
an
amendment
that
was
that
exempted
property,
25,
000
and
and
less
as
ms
salazar
pointed
out
that
that
would
resolve,
I
think
the
issues
in
in
regard
to
the
lesser
pieces.
G
So
I
I
think
that
would
be
that
that
discussion
is
well
taken,
and
I
can
see
where
that
might
be
something
we
might.
I
might
want
to
consider
an
amendment
for
did
that
answer.
M
Part
one
and
then
the
other
part
was:
you
know,
a
situation
that
they
were
that
rich
and
andrea
were
discussing.
Where
we've
received
a
letter
of
interest
for
warehouse
21,
I
believe
in
those
types
of
situations.
G
In
that
instance,
the
public
was
really
upset
that
there
you
know
it
seemed
that
the
we
only
owned
the
building,
of
course,
railyard
owned
the
land.
So
the
price
for
that
seemed
extremely
low,
and
I
think
when
the
public
found
out,
they
were
pretty
upset
that
they
didn't
get
to
buy
or
offer
a
piece
of
offer
their
purchase
agreement
for
that
property
because
it
seemed
so
low.
G
Now
that
was
because
it
was
only
the
building
and
I
was
able
to
get
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
more
for
it
in
the
end
with
an
amendment,
but
nevertheless
it
did
bring
up
the
issue
where
the
public
was
upset,
that
they
didn't
know
that
we
were
selling
land,
and
that
was
where
this
first
kind
of
came
to
my
attention,
because
what
we
were
seeing
on
warehouse
21
was
after
the
fact-
and
so
you
know
it
was,
I
think,
at
the
time
we
were
all
learning
on
the
council.
G
Well,
maybe
not
all
of
us,
but
that
that's
the
way
things
were
done,
but
we
did
get
a
lot
of
people
at
the
council
meeting
commenting
and
we
also
got
people
writing
us
emails
about
how
upset
they
were
counselor.
I'm
sorry,
I'm
gonna!
That's.
M
That
was
santa
fe
clay,
warehouse.
M
And
then
we'd
yeah,
and
that
was
a
bit
of
a
different
situation
because
of
the
land
lease,
whereas
warehouse
21,
also
in
the
rail
yard
yeah.
Would
they
is
it
a
similar
situation,
rich
where
they
would
just
be
purchasing
the
building?
There
would
be
a
land
lace
underneath,
so
it
is
similar
to
santa
fe
clay.
Am
I
correct.
U
Mr
chair
kessler,
question:
yes,
that's
correct,
and,
and
again
any
letters
of
intent
would
come
to
us,
and
I
think
your
question
is
around.
If
you
get
an
unsolicited
offer,
do
we
bring
it
the
whole
proposal
to
the
governing
body,
because
then
we
want
to
put
it
up
a
public
offering.
So
if
we
get
an
unsolicited
offer,
do
we
take
that
letter
of
intent?
Make
that
a
part
of
a
public
offering
presentation
and
then
go
for
a
big
sale?
I
think
that
would
be
the
process.
U
I
think
that's
what
the
resolution
is
asking
us
to
do
too
and
we're
more
than
happy
to
do
that.
We
do
get
unsolicited
offers
for
sale
so,
but
uniquely-
and
I
think
andrea
may
have
spoken
to
this-
that
every
parcel
of
land
we
own
is
not
clean.
U
Everything
has
some
small
change
history
doodad
rigmarole
whatever
you
want
to
call
it,
it
has
something
attached
to
it
that
allows
us
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
to
bring
it
up
to
a
diligence
level
where
it's
a
clean
sale,
where
everyone
feels
like
we're
going
to
make
a
transaction
here.
So
warehouse
21
is
a
perfect
example
of
we
might
get
a
letter
of
intent,
but
then
we
also
have
to
think
we
have
to
work
with
the
rail
yard
because
they
lease
the
land
out
and
then
we
own
the
building.
U
M
Thank
you.
I
I
appreciate
that
and
then,
in
terms
of
how
this
impacts
timing
of
being
able
to
get
something
to
sale.
M
We
currently
will
already
get
a
presentation
if
you,
if
there
is
a
proposal
to
sell
a
piece
of
our
property
in
executive
session,
so
I'm
what
I'm
trying
to
understand
is
how
does
how
does
bringing
it?
Whether
we
also
do
an
executive
session
and
then
would
do
it
publicly
as
well?
M
How
does
that
extend
our
time
period,
and
how
does
that
change
your
preparation
time,
as
you
are
already
bringing
it
to
us
at
a
council
meeting
as
well
as
already
having
to
prepare
a
presentation
for
us
that
we
frequently
see
in
the
executive
session.
U
Mr
chair
council,
kaza
sanchez,
I'm
going
to
have
andrea
sort
of
articulate
it
further,
but
I
think
on
the
big
picture
level,
the
resolution
states
that
we're
allowed
to
bring
sort
of
confidential
harm
liability
issues
to
executive
session,
but
we
can
still
discuss
the
wholesale
public
offering
presentation
in
the
public.
But
if
there's
something
that
has
some
sort
of
liability
issue,
some
harm
to
a
participant
or
some
issue
where
it
should
be
based
on
a
confidential
basis.
U
We
would
go
into
executive
session
to
discuss
that
aspect
of
it
and
so
andrea.
May
I
want
to
expand
upon
that,
but
I
think
that's
the
offer,
but
and
then
I'm
sorry
you
asked
about
how
long
it
might
take
to
bring
it
to
market
with
the
new
resolution.
U
We
just
need
to
monitor
those
dates
because
we
will
have
to
buy
another
appraisal,
because
one
of
the
outcomes
of
the
santa
fe
clay
sale
was
that
we
got
consensus
from
the
full
governing
body
that,
if
it's
our
property,
we
need
to
buy
the
appraisal
for
it.
It
does
not
come
from
the
buyer,
it
has
to
come
from
us.
The
seller.
M
U
Chair
casted,
council,
that's
essentially,
I
think
I
asked
counselor
vehicle
copler.
If
that
is
something
that
we
could
do.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Yes,
that
that
definitely
is
something
I
didn't
foresee
this
requiring
going
through
committee,
although
when
there's
time
I
think
certainly
that
could
happen.
G
So
what
was
troubling
to
me
was
that
we
were
not
voting
after
executive
session
and
I
think
it's
important
to
be
transparent
about
that
and
have
a
discussion
if,
if
need
be
about
what
we
were
voting
on,
because
what
I
also
experienced
was
that
we
weren't,
always
you
weren't,
always
getting
con
consensus
in
executive
session
and
clearly
my
thought
was
that
we
would
eventually
vote
on
it
and
we
never
did.
G
M
Thank
you
yeah.
You
know
that
that's!
I
think
that
that
was
where
I
was
getting
a
little
bit
confused
on.
M
M
But
I
understand
with
some
of
this
because
there
is
the
executive
session
component
and
there
is
that
discussion
that
needs
to
happen
about
some
of
the
strategy
to
be
considered
with
sale.
I
would
understand
if,
if
some
of
these
did
not
go
to
committee
and
simply
went
straight
to
executive
and
then
to
a
public
discussion
and
vote
by
the
governing
body,
richard
andrea,
is
there
anything
else
that
you
that
I
haven't
thought
about
or
hasn't
been
discussed
in
terms
of
considerations
for
the
the
timing
factor?
M
I
know
that
that
was
a
big
piece
of
making
sure
that
we
can
get
things
to
market
on
time.
There
was
this
discussion
of
you
know
it
could
delay
things
up
to
six
months
and
I
was
not
fully
understanding
that
as
at
this
point,
it's
simply
a
vote
to
say.
Yes,
we
want
to
list
this
for
sale,
not
even
to
accept
the
sale,
and
then
we
would
have
to
still
go
through
the
vote
to
accept
the
sale,
there's
still
the
referendum
period.
All
of
that
still
stands.
V
Chair
counselor
cassette
sanchez,
I
just
like
to
kind
of
probably
expand
on
the
process,
so
you
know
every
time
we
come
to
you.
There
is
diligence
that
we
do
do
on
these
pieces
of
property,
and
I
I
know
that
there's
been
lots
of
discussion
of.
Why
aren't
you
just
bringing
things
to
us
even
when
you
think
about
them
without
diligence?
V
V
We
don't
own
the
building,
we
own
the
land,
they
they're,
complicated
and
they're
things
that,
under
the
open
meetings,
act
are
exempt
from
public
discussion,
they're
allowed
in
executive
session
the
disposition
of
land,
and
so
that
is
why
we
have
been
taking
that
the
reason
I'm
just
talking
about
that
is
because
of
the
land
that
we
own
it's.
This
is
probably
not
going
to
negate
executive
session.
That's
just
I.
V
V
We
want
a
public
presentation
like
the
condensed
cliff
notes,
version
of
that
presentation
in
public,
and
we
want
a
full
vote
of
it,
so
the
the
time
frame
that,
if
we're
just
going
to
executive
session
and
having
a
public
presentation
for
governing
body,
what
could
happen
is
if
there's
not
a
meeting
of
the
minds
of
the
governing
body
on
how
to
sell
or
dispose
of
the
property,
because
we
do
have
options,
we
have
a
public
bid
process.
We
have
a
request
for
proposal
process.
V
We
have
a
private
sale
process,
so
that
could
be
where
there
might
be
some
delay
is,
is
having
a
meeting
of
the
minds
of
how
are
we
going
to
dispose
of
this?
What
is
the
sales
strategy?
So
that's
one
thing
that
we
have
contemplated
that
could
occur.
The
other
thing
is,
maybe
you
know
not.
Everyone
wants
to
sell
it
or
not,
and
so
we've
already
potentially
obtained
an
appraisal.
So
we
know
how
much
it
is,
and
that
takes
time
to
then
bring
it
to
market.
V
It's
also
what
we
talked
about
earlier,
with
the
whole
process
of
putting
out
a
public
notice,
should
it
be
a
private
sale,
putting
out
public
notice,
putting
it
in
the
newspaper
putting
it
out
on
our
website
taking
bids
having
the
team,
you
know,
have
a
discussion
panel.
All
of
those
types
of
factors
do
take
a
bit
of
time,
and
then
you
have
the
ordinance
process,
the
public
hearing
process
the
referendum
process.
So
when
you
start
stacking
those
items
on
top
of
each
other,
including
the
negotiation
between
the
parties,
it
does
take
time.
V
That
is
why
each
one
of
these
is
is
a
time
sensitive
thing
of
its
own
is
because,
as
we
witnessed
with
santa
fe
clay,
which
is
the
only
piece
of
property
we've
sold
in
a
long
time,
but
that
took
a
year
to
come
to
its
fruition
even
from
the
ordinance
process
which
did
take
several
months
to
go
through.
So
so,
when
we
look
at
how
long
it
takes
for
a
sale,
it
just
depends,
and
we
we
can't
anticipate
exactly
how
long
it'll
take
it
just
depends.
M
Yeah,
absolutely
and-
and
I
do
want
to
say
I
do
appreciate
all
the
diligence
that
that
is
put
in
before
you
bring
things
to
us.
We
definitely
like
having
that
information
as
we're
making
decisions.
It
was
more
just
I
and
I
understand
that
there
is
so
much
that
goes
in,
and
those
sales
do
take
a
long
time,
really
just
the
understanding
of
how
adding
this
piece
in
changes
that.
K
M
Would
say
you
know,
I
do
agree
that
if
there's
not
a
meeting
of
the
minds
and
a
majority
of
the
council
is
not
an
agreement
of
how
we
should
dispose
of
property,
and
I
don't
think
we
should
have
disposed
of
that
property
until
there
is
a
until
there
is
a
meeting
of
the
minds
of
the
majority
of
the
governing
body.
So
I
think
those
are
all
my
questions
for
now
I
will.
I
will
yield
the
camera
for
the
moment.
M
If
I
have
anything
else,
I
will
pop
up
after
other
members
of
the
committee
have
had
an
opportunity
to
speak.
Thank
you
so
much.
A
Okay,
we
we
had
a
presentation
by
staff-
I
guess
my
question
and
I'll
start
with
councilwoman
v
hill
copler.
Is
there
something
else
about
the
resolution
that
you'd
like
to
go
over
or
do
you
want
to
briefly
describe
the
resolution
again
and
then
we'll
go
to
to
questions
from
the
other
committee
members.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
would
like
to
say
just
some
some
opening
comments
about
it
and
I
thank
the
finance
committee
for
your
questions,
but
my
original
intent
was
to
make
sure
that
we
that
the
governing
body
was
in
agreement
to
consider
and
sell
parcels
of
land.
That's
our
fiduciary
responsibility,
and
so
the
only
way
you
can
ensure
that
is
to
vote.
G
And
the
only
way
you
can
vote
is
if
you're,
not
in
executive
session-
and
I
I
felt
like
there
was
a
fine
line
in
violation
of
the
open
meetings
act
by
taking
consensus
or
majority
of
consensus
to
to
action.
And
so
the
other
piece
of
the
the
purpose
behind
the
resolution
is
to
ensure
the
public
knows
what
we
are
considering
and
what
we
have
up
for
grabs
potentially
and
so
that
there's
a
an
understanding
from
anybody
in
our
community
who
wanted
to
make
a
bid
that
they
would.
G
You
know
and
be
inspired
by
our
conversation,
that
we
are
going
to
put
this
property
on
the
market.
And
again,
I
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
think
that's
our
fiduciary
responsibility
and
it's
our
responsibility
to
follow
the
open
meetings
act
and
it's
our
responsibility
to
we're.
The
caretakers
of
public
land
taxpayer
funded
land,
and
so
the
discussions
in
executive
session
are
certainly
good
to
have.
But
I
think
they
need
to
be
on
the
agenda
and
open
for
discussion
and
that's
where
the
public
knows.
G
What
we're
doing
my
thoughts
on
the
process
are
really
that
if,
if
there's
a
letter
of
interest
out
of
the
blue,
if
there's
staff
comes
up
with
an
idea
that
oh,
this
would
be
great
if
we
would
consider
selling
this,
for
whatever
reasons
that
first,
they
see.
If
we
want
to
sell
it.
If
the
governing
body
wants
to
sell
it,
because
if
we
don't
want
to
sell
it,
there's
no
reason
to
go
through
all
that
work.
G
G
We
have
market
street
we're
thinking
of
selling
it.
For
example,
do
you
guys
want
to
sell
it,
and
so
we
say
well,
we
ask
our
questions
and
then
we
may
be
direct
staff
to
go
and
do
the
discovery
and
see
what
it
is
they
they
want
to
do
and
if,
if
you
know
an
appraisal
needs
to
be
ordered
well,
sometimes
you
can
order
those
ahead
of
time
and
if
and
then
decide
if
the
governing
body
says
no,
we
don't
want
to
sell
it.
G
You
can
always
cancel
the
appraisal,
but
because
appraisers
are
backed
up
sometimes,
but
that
was
really
the
intent
here
and
again,
I'm
I'm
willing
to
prepare
some
amendments
for
the
25
000.
I
think
that
makes
sense,
but
that
is
what
I
wanted
to
accomplish,
and
so
that's
that's
what
I
have
to
add
for
this
resolution.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
F
F
I
think
you
know
time
is
always
of
the
essence
for
transparency
and
that's
the
intent
of
this
resolution.
In
regards
to
timing.
I
don't
think
this
really.
I
think
we
were.
F
There
was
a
misrepresentation
of
this
adding
six
months
to
the
potential
process
of
sale
of
property,
because,
ultimately,
even
if
it
went
through
the
committee
process
and
it
got
added
to
a
governing
body
calendar-
I
don't
see
this
adding
potentially
more
than
a
month
to
the
process.
F
F
So
this.
This
intention
is
to
ensure
that
the
public
is
well
aware
of
any
sale
of
any
lands
that
we
are
considering,
because
the
way
it
is
right
now,
it's
the
the
rules
are
written.
Somebody
can
make
an
offer
on
city
hall,
and
our
team
can
begin
to
look
at
everything
and
then
move
forward
with
us
for
a
proposal
that
we're
going
to
sell
city
hall.
Well,
do
we
really
believe
that's
accurate?
I
mean
I
think
that
should
come
to
us
first
before
we
say:
okay,
here's
this
offer
on
the
table.
F
The
intent,
as
I
mentioned,
is
transparency,
and
what
we
want
is
to
ensure
that
the
public
is
well
aware
of
whatever
public
lands
that
are
potentially
up
for
sale,
they're
well
aware
of,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day
it
is
their
public
lands.
It's
not
ours
individually,
it's
all
of
ours
as
the
whole
of
santa
fans,
and
so
we
just
want
to
ensure
that
everybody
is
well
aware
of
of
those
properties
that
come
up
for
sale
when
we
decide
if
and
when,
to
sell
them.
E
Mr
chair,
I
had
a
couple
questions.
I
guess
I
was
thinking
about
this
as
a
way
to
go
back
to
how
we
used
to
do
it.
I
think
it
was
really
helpful
when
matt
o'reilly
was
with
us,
and
I
would
say
this
happened
three
or
four
years
ago,
he
brought
up
the
potential
of
santa
fe
estates
just
to
give
us
the
lay
of
the
land
like
this
is
what's
happening.
This
is
the
circumstance
of
this
land.
E
This
is
coming
up
and
before
we
even
made
any
decision
about
how
that
was
going
to
move
forward,
he
just
gave
us
an
overview
of
that
parcel
of
land
and
saying
that
this
was.
This
is
the
potential
these
are.
These
are
our
options
or
what
we
think
we
may
do
and
before
doing
a
lot
of
due
diligence,
it
was
just
really
giving
us
the
lay
of
the
land,
and
that
was
helpful,
and
then
we
had
other
executive
sessions
about
it.
E
So
I
guess
I
just
wanted
to
just
make
sure
in
in
the
process
of
due
diligence
that
we
do
our
due
diligence
and
the
governing
body
has
an
opportunity
to
weigh
in
and
if,
if
people
don't
agree
for
us
a
particular
piece
of
land
for
sale,
then
that's
how
they
vote,
and
so
I
think,
that's
important
to
show
that
andrea.
You
had
a
slide
about
kind
of
a
process
timeline.
E
It
was
just
kind
of
outlining
the
steps
that
you
all
take
and-
and
I
guess
what
I
was
wanting
to
know
out
of
that
graphic-
is
at
what
point
do
we
hold
executive
sessions
in
that
process?
So
you
didn't
actually
describe
when
we
actually
hold
executive
sessions?
E
V
Yes,
thank
you
rich
chair,
counselors,
so
executive
session
happens
well
before
this.
So
speaking
of
santa
fe
estates,
that's
a
great
example
of
a
very
complicated
situation.
V
The
city
had
decided
to
undergo
that
probably
about
three
years
ago,
and
it
took
us
almost
a
year
to
do
the
due
diligence
that
was
required
that
no
one
had
ever
undertaken.
So
that's
why
we
do
start
with
looking
at
due
diligence
at
some
process
with
santa
fe
states.
I
believe
we
had
five
executive
sessions.
K
V
There
were
five
executive
sessions
that
occurred
before
any
of
this
happened,
and
so
we
started,
I
think,
in
december,
of
2019
discussing
santa
fe
estates
by
november
2020.
We
terminated
our
agreement
and
by
then
we
had
already
talked
to
governing
body
and
executive
session
about
this
process
and
that
that
land
sale
in
particular
brought
out
this
process.
So
executive
session
happens.
Then
we
start
this.
V
We
had
we
needed
to
obtain
an
appraisal
for
different
reasons,
so
the
appraisal
itself
was
obtained
by
us,
because
when
we
were
negotiating
the
other
party
had
their
own
appraisal
and
we
wanted
to
see
what
it
would
be
if
we
were
selling
it
ourselves,
and
so
that's
why
we
obtained
our
appraisal.
That
might
have
been
a
little
off
off
schedule,
but
we
did
talk
an
executive
session
about
that
and
then
the
property
was
placed
on
sale.
I
think
in
february
so
about
five
executive
sessions
to
get
to
here.
E
Right
that
makes
sense.
I
guess
I
feel
like
each
partial
is
different.
Each
situation
is
different,
but
there
are.
There
have
been
some
in
the
past
that
I
feel
like
there
wasn't
necessarily
some
sort
of
consensus
within
the
governing
body
about
a
piece
of
land
and
how
we
should
move
forward
and-
and
I
think
that's
where
that
sticking
point
is
for
me-
it's
just
that
that's
some
of
the
properties-
they
still
wouldn't
move
forward,
and
there
were
still
some
things
and
questions
we
had
about
and
concerns.
E
So
I
guess
that's
why
I
feel
like
having
a
public
vote
after
an
executive
session
would
be
helpful
and
I
don't
foresee
this
going
through
committees.
I
think
it
was
really
just
a
vote
to
decide
if
this
makes
sense
for
us
to
be
moving
forward
with
the
type
of
sell
or
sale,
so
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
at
with
that.
What
was
the
other
question?
E
Oh,
I
guess
we
didn't
get
a
updated
fiscal
impact
report
and
given
that
this
won't
be
going
through
committee
and
such
I'm
wondering
if
that
ends
up
being
revised.
U
Mr
chair
council
of
virgil,
we
are
in
the
process
of
reviving
it,
so
we
will
come
to
you
probably
tomorrow,
yeah,
probably
by
tomorrow
the
next
day,
but
I
had
sent
it
to
jesse
to
route
through
finance
and
through
finance
and
the
legal
team,
but
I
extracted
all
the
staff
cost
out
of
it.
So.
A
Okay,
councilwoman
lindell,
you
actually
had
your
hand
up
after
councilwoman
cassette
sanchez
and
then
it
went
down
and
back
up.
So
I'm
going
to
let
you
ask
your
questions
and
councilwoman
romero
worth.
H
Thank
you
chair.
I
have.
I
want
to
specifically
look
at
the
resolution
on
page
two
line.
Five
starts
on
line
four,
whereas
the
governing
body
prefers
to
hold
discussions,
the
disposition
or
sale
of
city
owned
land
or
property
transparently
and
in
front
of
the
public
during
a
public
meeting,
unless
doing
so
would
harm
the
city's
ability
to
leverage
the
competitive
value
of
the
real
property
on
through
so.
H
H
H
I've
never
seen
a
situation
where
I
didn't
feel
like
a
public
land
sale
by
the
city
wasn't
transparent.
H
I
haven't
seen
us,
I
I
haven't
seen
that
happen
and
I
think
that
some
of
the
the
frank
discussions
that
we've
had
in
executive
session
have
been
really
meaningful
and
I
don't
think
that
we've
sold
city
of
santa
fe
property
from
a
place
of
disagreement.
H
H
H
H
But
probably
my
greatest
concern
is
in
page
two.
A
Okay,
councilwoman
lindell.
Did
you
want
one
of
the
sponsors
to
try
to
answer
your
question.
A
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
this,
the
the,
whereas
starting
at
line
four
pretty
much
that
was
written
when
my
my
draft
was
submitted,
that
was
added
by
the
city
attorney's
office
and
that
language,
as
I
read
it,
is
basically
to
describe
what
we
do
now.
That's
what
what's
happening
currently
is
we.
It
says
where
we
prefer
to
discuss
the
sale
of
land
in
public.
Sometimes
you
know
unless
I
guess
that
has
to
be
done
in
executive
session.
For
those
reasons,
that's
that's
pretty
much.
G
You
know,
as
I
understand
these
whereases
you're,
trying
to
describe
what
we
do
now
and
then
the
be
therefore
resolved
is
what
changes
something
specific
about
what
we're
doing
now,
but
I
didn't
have
any
any
issue
with
that
added
language
from
line
four
to
line
eight,
but
that
is
how
I
understand
it.
H
I
guess
I
would
ask
legal
because
I
think
that
we're
understanding
it
differently.
H
That's
not
how
I
understand
it
and
now
is
probably
the
time
to
get
clarity
of
what
it
is
saying,
because
that
that
is
not
how
I'm
reading
this.
V
Counselor
lindell,
I
think
that
the
intent
behind
paragraph,
that's
on
four
through
eight,
is
that
we
would
present
at
public
hearing
for
as
a
discussion
item
about
the
announcement
unless
we
we
were
unable
to
do
so,
and
so
those
circumstances
are
if
there's
confidential
confidentiality.
V
If
there's
strategy,
if
there
is
attorney-client
privilege,
if
there
is
litigation
issue,
if
there
is
a
breach
of
a
lease
issue,
if
there
is
some
issue
that
potentially
could
harm
the
city
by
revealing
it,
those
are
the
times
that
we
would
go
into
executive
session.
I
would
explain-
and
I
think
we've
tried
to
be
as
candid
as
possible-
that
potentially
every
sale
that
we
queue
up
for
you
may
have
that
problem,
and
so
it
is
important
to
be
explicit
that
says.
If
it
does
have
that
problem,
we
will
bring
it
into
executive
session.
V
I
think
something
that
has
been
fleshed
out
tonight.
That
might
be
something
for
an
amendment.
Potentially
is
the
discussion
that
you
know
a
desire
to
have
an
executive
session
to
speak
frankly
and
then
have
it
as
an
action
item
and
not
necessarily
as
a
presentation
exactly
about
everything
all
the
strategy,
but
as
a
presentation
that
explains
that
this
will
be
going
on
the
market
and
then
having
council
vote
in
public
seems
to
be
a
little
bit
more
of
of
the
desired
effect
here,
rather
than
presenting
strategy
to
the
public.
V
So
if
that
is
the
case,
I
I
would.
I
would
request
that.
Potentially
we
amend
this
so
that
it
is
clearer
and
so
we're
not
getting
confused
by
what
the
process
is
actually
is.
H
Well,
I
would
welcome
that
that
makes
much
more
sense
to
me
than
how
I'm
seeing
it
right
now,
because
I
think
that,
certainly,
whenever
you
sell
property,
whether
it's
property
that
you
know
is
complicated
property
or
worth
hundreds
of
thousands
or
millions
of
dollars
or
very
simple
property.
I
I
certainly
think
that
there
is
in
almost
every
sale,
some
conversations
that
are
confidential
and
that
have
to
do
with
the
strategy
of.
H
The
contract
to
sale
or
or
how
marketing
will
be.
I
think
what
you
just
described
is
something
that
I
would
be
much
more
comfortable
with
than
what
I'm
reading
here
right.
H
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
have
a
number
of
questions,
but
I'll
I'll.
Just
start
with
that
paragraph,
since
we've
just
had
a
conversation
about
it,
while
it's
all
fresh
in
our
mind
and
as
the
city
attorney's
office
works
on
the
language,
if
you
go
on
further
there's
some
things
that
I
think
are
kind
of
tripped
up
there.
So
if
you
go
after
unless
so,
the
governing
body
prefers
to
hold
discussions
of
the
disposition
or
sale
of
city-owned
land
or
property
transparently
and
in
front
of
the
public
during
a
public
meeting.
J
Unless
and
then
there
there's
a
whole
list
of
things
right
does
so
doing
so
would
harm
the
city's
ability
to
leverage
the
competitive
value
of
real
property.
Confidential
market
strategy
is
not
a
factor,
it's
shouldn't.
It
say.
Confidential
market
strategy
is
a
factor,
and
then
it
goes
on
to
the
next
one.
There
are
no
reputational
interests
at
stake.
I
think
it
should
say
there
are
reputational
interests
at
stake,
because
the
the
qualifying
word
is
unless
yes,
so
and
and
it
it
keeps
going
relevant
laws
do
not
require
confidentiality.
J
I
think
if
relevant
laws
require
confidentiality,
then
we
won't
do
things
in
public
and
there
is
actual
or
threatened,
and
there
is
no
actual
or
threatened
litigation
to
consider.
So
again,
all
of
those
things
that
make
the
list
in
the
negative,
I
think
need
to
be
in
the
affirmative,
as
you
consider
how
you
change
that
language.
J
V
J
Okay-
and
I-
and
I
remember-
we
did
discuss
that
in
executive
session
and
it's
it's
a
it
helps
us
understand
the
various
processes
for
how
we
go
about
the
disposition
of
property.
Correct,
yes,
and
I
I
think
it
would
be
good
for
you
to
send
that,
because
I
think
one
of
my
concerns
with
what's
happening
here
is
that
we
need
to
understand
what
drives
the
current
process.
So
you
have
a
slide.
That's
that's
outlining
a
process
for
us,
some
of
that
is
dictated
by
law
and
I
believe
it's
state
law.
J
But
maybe
you
can
talk
about
that
where
what
what's
the?
What
are
the
roots
of
that
process?
Some
of
it
is
maybe
just
staff
work
saying
hey
this.
These
are
the
things
that
we
should
do
to
have
a
you
know
a
good
process
in
the
disposition
of
public
land,
some
of
it.
I
don't
think
you
have
a
choice
about.
Can
you
maybe
speak
to
that?
A
little
bit
chair.
V
Counselor
romero
worth
so
the
slide
that
we
showed
you
of
the
process
that
staff
undertakes
to
put
something
on
the
market.
Actually
is
not
a
legal
process
required.
What
occurred
was
out
of
santa
fe
clay.
These
were
the
requests
made
of
staff
in
order
when
you
move
forward
with
the
sale.
These
are
the
things
we
want
to
see
you
do.
We
want
the
public
to
know
that
it's
on
the
market.
V
We
want
an
appraisal
that
we
do
ourselves
and
we
want
you
to
queue
up
this
type
of
sale
and
then
go
through
the
actual
statutory
process.
So
the
decision
tree
that
you
had
talked
about
is
the
statute
is
3-54-1,
which
is
the
required
process,
and
that
required
process
is
when
there
is
a
sale,
then
we
have
to
go
with
an
ordinance
and
a
purchase
agreement
and
move
that,
through
public
hearing
with
a
referendum
period
based
on
how
much
the
the
price
of
the
property,
so
that's
required
on
all
sales.
J
So
and
when
you
talk
about
statute
you're
talking
about
state
law,
yes,
so
that's
not
in
our
own
ordinance,
that's
state
law!
So
when
we
get
ready
to
actually
go
through
with
the
sale
state
law
dictates
the
things
we
have
to
do,
including
a
referendum
period
so
that
the
public
can
object
to
the
sale.
If,
if
it's
something
you
know,
if
we
tried
to
sell,
I
don't
know
something
that
was
just
wrong
correct.
Just
yes,
chair,
counselor,
yes,
okay
and
so.
V
Care
counselor,
I
believe
the
only
thing
that
is
contained
in
our
city
codes
is
that
we
have
an
asset
development
or
someone
designated
at
the
city
who
sells
our
land,
and
so
currently
that
is
sean
moody,
but
that
I
think
that
is
the
only
requirement
and
then,
when
you
are
signing
the
deed,
it
must
have
the
mayor
and
the
city
clerk's
signature,
but
those
are
the
only
things
that
exist.
J
In
our
codes,
so
I
think
what
this
resolution
has
done
is
exposed.
The
fact
that
maybe
what
we
need
to
be
doing
here
is
the
hard
work
of
developing
an
ordinance
about
how
we
dispose
of
land
and
that
we
think
about
all
the
angles
and
all
the
situations
that
we
find
ourselves
in
to
figure
out
what
is
the
best
process
moving
forward?
I
I
am
concerned
that
this
is
a
resolution.
J
In
my
mind,
it's
like
a
a
memorial
at
the
state
level.
It
says
what
we
think
should
happen.
It
has
no
force
of
law
and
likely
to
be
forgotten
over
time.
We've
seen
that
time
and
time
again
where
somebody
you
know
brings
us,
I
think
we
saw
that
in
a
gov
in
a
in
a
in
a
presentation
about
how
we
were
supposed
to
read
the
babies
or
give
baby
books
or
or
something
I
can't.
J
I
can't
remember
it
was
decided
by
resolution
and,
of
course,
we've
completely
forgotten
about
it,
and
we
don't
do
it
anymore,
so
it
seems
like
maybe
we're
using
the
wrong
vehicle
to
get
what
we
are
trying
to
accomplish
here.
So
let
me
just
throw
that
out
there.
J
It's
it's
my
and
let
me
yeah,
I
mean
my
understanding.
Is
that-
and
I
think
we've
been
over
this
we've
had
a
study
session
about
this
and
it's
it's
complicated
for
us
to
understand
that
we
don't
control
what
happens
on
the
rail
yard.
That's
a
totally
separate
process.
So
would
this
resolution
have
done
it?
I
mean
that
was
that
that
deal
was
done
through
the
railyard
corporation
in
in
conjunction
with
a
a
master
plan
for
how
that
property
should
be
developed.
Isn't
that
correct.
V
So
chair,
counselor
romeroworth,
I
think
so
if
we
were
doing
santa
fe
clay
today
and
they
queued
up
a
sale
for
us,
what
we
would
then
do
based
under
this
framework,
we're
talking
about
is
tell
that
purchaser
hold
on.
Don't
don't
do
the
ground
lease,
don't
offer
us
we're
gonna,
put
this
on
the
market
and
entertain
for
a
period
of
60
days
and
start
marketing
that
piece
of
property
to
then
queue
it
up
for
sale,
so
it
it
might
have
augmented.
V
You
know
what
happens.
I
don't
know
if
it
would
have
changed
the
result.
We
did
have
numerous
people
contact
us
wanting
to
purchase
the
building
and
as
soon
as
they
found
out
that
there
was
a
ground
lease
attached
to
it
were
not
interested
at
all.
So
will
it
augment
it?
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
if
it
would.
It
didn't
necessarily
augment
the
outcome
when
we
did
receive
other
people
interested.
J
V
Council,
you
are
correct
the
problem,
so
santa
fe
clay
is
different
than
warehouse
21
and
the
reason
is
both
the
building
and
the
ground.
Lease
are
were
under
the
lease
and
management
agreement.
So
the
rail
yard
corporation,
yes
sfrcc,
so
they
had
the
right
to
lease
both
and
they
could
lease
both
at
any
time.
V
Instead
that
individual
wanted
to
purchase
the
building-
and
we
own
it
so
so
that
is
why
sfrcc
brought
it
to
us
and
said:
do
you
want
to
sell
this,
or
do
you
want
us
to
keep
it
as
a
lease
and
keep
leasing
it,
and
so
we
opted
to
sell
it
when
we
understood
you
know
what
the
what
the
building
contained
and
the
fire
code
has
all
the
different
things
that
that
were
part
of
that
building,
and
so
yes,
that
was
completely
under
their
lease
and
management
agreement.
V
J
V
That's
but
it
still
would
have
been
pursuant
to
sfrcc
accepting
that
purchaser,
so
we
still
necessarily
wouldn't
have
had
control,
because
if
they
didn't
want
to
enter
into
a
ground
lease
or
sfrcc
did
not
want
to
lease
it
to
whoever
we
thought
was
the
best
seller,
then
they
could
say
no.
They
had
a
lot
of
control
in
that
outcome.
J
J
So
to
to
your
point
earlier,
where
you
said
every
single
thing:
we
own
there's
complications
with
it.
None
of
these
properties
are
cleaned,
and
I
think
that
actually,
the
sponsor
in
the
governing
body
meeting
said
that
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
that
led
to
this
resolution
was
the
fact
that
that
that
there
was
a
sense
that
that
property
would
be
put
on
the
market,
and
the
council
had
not
voted
to
do
so
and.
J
J
You
know
what
happens
when
one
counselor
doesn't
like
the
direction
that
we're
moving
in
in
the
disposition
of
property,
and
so
maybe
that's
the
sort
of
thing
that
again
I
mean.
If,
if
I
I
don't
know
what
you
do
about
that,
and
maybe
we
need
larger
discussion,
and
maybe
this
should
be
an
ordinance,
and
there
were
certainly
issues
with
that
other
direction.
J
The
sense
that
you
know
we
could
somehow
use
that
property
for
housing
when
we
have
when
we
have
the
the
property
at
midtown,
which
we
could
also
use
for
housing,
which
we
can't
afford
to
keep
at
the
moment
and
and
then
we
were,
we
were
talking
about
adding
more
property,
and
I
don't
know
where
we
were
going
to
get
the
money
to
buy
that
property
and
to
put
housing
on
that
property.
When
we
can't,
even
you
know,
afford
the
property
we
have
and
put
housing
on
that
property,
so
it
just
the.
J
I
don't
know
I
it
and
I
guess
it
goes
so.
All
of
this,
too
goes
back
to
transparency.
We
have
known
about
all
these
land
sales.
We
discuss
them
in
executive
session,
the
public
knows
when
we
put
a
for
sale
sign
on
them
or
we
stick
them
up
on
a
website
saying:
hey
they're
for
sale.
So
I'm
not
sure
I
don't
think
there
has
been
any.
You
know
backdoor
dealings
where
we've
been
where
we
haven't
told
anybody
something's
for
sale.
We
we
knew
as
a
council
that
things
were
for
sale.
J
We
may
not
have
had
total
agreement
that
something
should
be
for
sale,
but
there
was
general.
You
know,
yeah,
that's
a
good
thing
to
do.
We
should
we
should
sell
that.
Can
we
go
back
to
the
six-month
drag?
J
U
Mr
chair
counselor,
can
I
can
I
speak
to
that.
So
I
I
it
should
say
up
to
six
months
and
and-
and
I
think
the
council
copper
kind
of
clarified
something
for
me
to
tonight
about
the
fact
that
that
we
may
not
need
to
go
through
committee
to
make
any
of
these
public
offerings
presentations.
U
They
can
go
from
executive
session
to
a
public
discussion
to
a
governing
body,
so
that
really
does
cut
it
down,
because
if
we
go
from
executive
session
because
there
are
a
lot
of
confidential
issues
that
we
have
to
discuss,
then
we
go
back
to
out
of
that
session
and
then
come
through
the
committee
meetings,
because
my
initial
assumption
was
that
we'd
have
to
publicly
discuss
this
through
the
current
process,
two
committees
and
a
governing
body,
and
so
it
sounds
like
we
may
not
need
to
do
that.
So
it
does
cut
the
time
down.
U
The
question
is
still
outstanding,
for
me
is
that
I
don't
know
whether
or
not
my
department
has
the
authority
to
ask
for
an
appraisal
at
the
time
of
our
first
presentation
or
do
we
need
to
wait
for
council
approval
because
we
have
to
make
the
investment
and
so
council
viral
copper
did
say
that
that
you
could
put
a
appraisal
on
hold
yes
or
no
hold.
So
we
have
to
work
through
those
details
too,
but
there
is
that
public,
there's
that
physical
impact
that
it
could
be
many
discussions
that
we
have.
U
As
you
know,
we
did
on
our
presentation.
We've
been
talking
about
these
properties
since
january
of
2020,
and
we
are
now
still
discussing
these
properties
and
while
we've
had
some
consensus
going
through,
I
don't
know
I'm
I'm
looking
into
a
clear
a
cloudy
future,
how
long
it
would
take
from
the
discussion
through
committee
or
governing
body
before
we
get
to
that
next
stage,
where
we
put
a
sign
on
the
on
the
ground
that
says
for
sale,
but
we've
had
some
clarity
tonight,
so
it
possibly
well.
J
I
I'm
going
to
disagree
that
we
have
clarity,
because
I'm
not
sure
I
I
believe
that
we
can
avoid
the
committee
process
and
so,
for
instance,
I
want
to
so
at
the
last
meeting.
I
don't
know
if
you
can
see
this
this.
The
city
of
santa
fe
instructions
for
completing
fiscal
impact
report
forms
now.
Certainly
the
sale
of
property
has
a
fiscal
impact,
correct.
J
So
I
don't
know
how
you
avoid
the
committee
process
if,
if
you're
selling
property,
I
think,
by
the
fir
and
by
the
very
nature,
that
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
fiscal,
it's
fiscal
in
nature.
It
has
to
go
to
the
finance
committee.
I
don't
think
you
can
skip
the
committees
and-
and
I
I
think
you
know
I-
I
guess
I
would
ask
that
the
city
attorney
also
look
the
city
attorney's
office.
Also
look
about
you
know
when
we
can
and
can't
skip
committees.
I
don't
think
we
can.
J
I
think
you
know
public
utilities.
Public
works
probably
needs
to
be
involved.
In
that
conversation,
finance
needs
to
be
involved.
In
that
conversation,
I
don't
think
you
can
just
skip
the
committee
process,
so
I
I
take
issue
with
that
that
thought
that
was
raised
tonight.
J
Yeah-
and
I
think
that
mr
brown-
the
thing
that
you
you
mentioned
about
the
the
appraisals
and
and
the
staff
time
I
mean
I
there
was
there-
was
some
indication
that,
oh
you
you
guys,
I
mean
if
you
think
you
need
to
sell
a
property,
you
just
come
in
front
of
us
and
say
hey.
We
want
to
sell,
you
know,
x,
building
and
and
and
after
you,
after
we
answer
your
questions
and
you
vote,
you
can
go,
you
can
go,
do
more
work.
J
The
problem
is,
is
in
order
to
answer
our
questions,
you're
going
to
have
to
know
a
fair
amount
about
that
property,
so
to
think
that
there
isn't
work
due
diligence,
work
that
goes
on
prior
to
it
coming
in
front
of
us,
I
think,
is
wrong.
Also,
I
do
want
to
go
back
to
this
public
versus
private
sale.
I
still
don't
quite
understand
this.
A
public
sale
is,
when
you
put
it
out
to
the
public
and
say:
hey
it's
for
sale
and
a
private
sale
is.
J
When
somebody
comes
to
you
like
a
private
landowner
like
we
were
talking
these
little
pieces
of
property,
they
come
to
you
and
they
they
say:
hey
we'd
like
to
buy
this
little
strip
because
it's
attached
to
our
yard
and
you
guys
don't
need
it
and
I
mean.
Is
that?
Can
you
can
you
explain
again
the
difference
between
public
and
private.
V
Chair
councillor
romero
worth
so
under
defined
terms
from
the
statute.
A
private
sale
is
a
negotiated
sale
which
way
may
be
with
any
interested
party
as
long
as
either
the
sales
price
is
at
or
above
the
appraised
price
or
the
governing
body
justifies
the
reason
for
selling
below
the
appraised
price.
A
public
sale
is
a
type
of
sale
in
which
the
city
must
accept
the
bid
of
the
highest
responsible
bidder
in
response
to
the
city's
published
terms
of
sale.
V
The
only
reason
to
reject
a
bid
is
if
it
does
not
meet
the
published
terms,
terms
and
conditions
for
a
proposed
public,
sale
or
lease
must
be
published
at
least
twice
not
less
than
seven
days
apart
in
publication,
so
that
these
are
actual
terms
that
come
out
of
the
statute
that
we
had
discussed
earlier.
3-54-1.
J
J
V
Chair
counselor,
technically
announcing
a
piece
of
property
for
sale,
isn't
a
legal
requirement.
It
doesn't
require
an
action
item,
most
of
the
items
that
come
out
of
executive
sessions
such
as
settlement
agreements,
decisions
to
litigate
decisions
to
accept
a
proposal
or
to
sell
a
piece
of
land,
which
means
we're
going
to
be
putting
it
in
an
ordinance
and
actually
selling
it.
All
of
those
legally
require
the
governing
body
to
make
a
vote.
V
So
there
is
no
statute,
so
state
law,
city
code
or
any
other
thing
that
designates
the
governing
body,
must
take
action
to
announce
any
piece
of
property
for
sale.
It's
really
at
that
disposition
on
point,
which
is
the
actual
sale
we're
going
to
be
selling
it.
That's.
The
only
requirement
is
to
get
approval
by
the
governing
body.
J
J
And
it
was,
I
think
it
was
it's
something
if
there's
an
unsolicited
offer
and
you
come
to
us.
So
I
guess
this
was.
This
was
going
back
to
the
warehouse
21
conversation.
So
if
we
get
an,
I
believe
that's
right
right
where,
where
there
was
an
unsolicited
offer
is,
am
I
correct
on
that.
J
U
Mr
chair
counselor,
if
I
could
start
first,
maybe
andrea
can
expand
upon
it,
but
from
the
time
we've
been
speaking
through
executive
session
from
june
until
until
the
the
probably
the
november,
I
think,
was
the
last
meeting
we
have
been
we've
been
discussing.
These
unsolicited
offers
that
we've
brought
to
a
further
idea
around.
We
could
sell
this
property.
J
Right,
so
so
that
just
sort
of
makes
my
point
that
it's
it's
not
that
we
haven't
known,
we
have
known,
we
have
been
talking
about
these
things,
as
you
said,
for
the
better
part
of
a
year
about
our
options
about
some
of
the
things
that
are
coming
forward.
J
So
it's
not
again
it
I'm
not
exactly
sure
what
this
resolution
is
trying
to
solve,
honestly
and
and
that,
but
I
do
think
it
brings
up
a
larger
problem
of
we
don't
have
an
ordinance
that
talks
about
how
we
dispose
of
of
of
land,
and
maybe
that's
the
thing
we
ought
ought
to
be
working
on,
so
that
we
can
really
point
to
a
rule
and
and
a
process
and
make
sure
that
you
know
it's.
J
I
I
agree
that
the
disposition
of
land
of
public
land
is
a
very,
very
important
thing.
I
mean
good
lord.
We
have
state
law
on
it
that
should
tell
you
how
important
it
is,
but
the
fact
that
we
don't
have
any
any
ordinance
any
city
law
on
how
we
do
this.
That
to
me,
I
think,
is
what
we
need
to
be
doing,
not
a
resolution
for
one
small
piece
without
a
consideration
to
the
to
the
bigger
picture.
A
M
Er,
you
know,
I
think,
throughout
the
course
of
this
conversation.
This
has
become
murkier,
not
clearer
to
me
as
to
when
this
applies.
I
think
that
I
was
going
off
of
some
of
the
different
definitions
of
when
a
of
a
public
sale
of
this
very
specifically
being
a
public
sale.
So
how
I
was
interpreting
this
is,
for
example,
santa
fe
estates.
We
would
have
gone
into
executive
session.
M
All
the
due
diligence
would
have
already
been
done,
because,
to
be
honest,
I
can't
vote
on
whether
or
not
I
want
to
put
a
piece
of
property
for
sale.
Unless
that
due
diligence
has
already
been
done,
and
then
we
would
have
come
out
and
then
there
would
have
been
a
vote
and
we
would
have
said
yes,
we
want
to
go
ahead
and
list
this
property
for
sale.
M
That
had
been
my
interpretation
and
understanding,
based
on
some
of
our
previous
conversations
of
the
different
paths
for
disposing
a
property.
So,
for
example,
if
it
was
a
private
sale,
my
understanding
was
that
we
would
have
had
to
vote
on
that
anyway,
and
at
that
moment
we
could
have
voted
it
down
and
then
in
a
separate
action
asked
for
it
to
come
forward
to
us
as
a
public
sale.
M
M
M
So
I
think
that's
what's
what's
kind
of
hard
for
me.
Is
that
over
the
course
of
this
conversation,
I'm
realizing
that
how
I
had
been
interpreting
this
and
how
I
was
reading
this
resolution
doesn't
seem
to
be
the
intent
of
my
understanding
from
the
sponsors,
both
in
when
this
would
come
in
the
timeline
and
the
various
situations
that
it
would
potentially
apply
to.
M
So
that's
something
that
I
I
really
feel
a
need
for
clarification.
I
am
still
in
favor
of
of
a
public
vote.
I
think
that
that
is
important.
The
opportunity
for
us
to
say
you
know
if
there
is
a
majority
of
the
governing
body
that
is
in
favor
of
this
moving
forward.
Let's
move
forward
with
it,
let's
go
ahead
and
vote
on
that,
but
it
seems
to
be
applying
to
a
variety
of
situations
that
I
didn't.
M
So
for
me,
I
think
that
that's
that's
a
lot
of
clarification
that
I
would
need
before
fully
moving
forward
with
this.
I
am
still
in
favor
of
of
a
public
vote
on
a
public
sale,
but
to
council
romeroworth's
point.
I
I
do
think
that
this
does
bring
up
the
broader
implications
that
we
need
to
be
looking
at
the
full
spectrum
of
all
the
different
pieces
that
have
to
be
considered
and
what
a
city
ordinance
would
look
like.
So.
K
M
M
So
I
would
not
feel
comfortable
voting
on
this
before
all
of
those
various
executive
sessions
had
happened,
and
really
my
understanding
is
that,
after
those
when
we
are
at
that
decision
point
when
we
are
about
to
put
this
on
the
market,
but
then
there
is
a
public
discussion
to
the
extent
that
we
can
have
a
public
discussion
without
any
harm
to
the
potential
sale
or
any
loss
to
the
city,
and
at
that
point
there
would
be
a
public
vote
where
we
would
vote
and
say
yes,
the
majority
of
the
governing
body
or
all
the
governing
body
is
in
favor
of
this
or
know.
M
The
majority
of
the
governing
body
is
not
in
favor
of
this,
in
which
case
we
would
not
move
forward.
So,
but
I'm
hearing
that
I
might
be,
it
might
have
been
wrong
in
that
interpretation.
So
if,
if
I
could
get
some
clarification,
that
would
be
helpful.
A
Okay
and
then
do
you
have
councilman
sanchez?
Do
you
have
other
questions
after
that.
M
Nope,
that's
that's
it
just
just
clarification
on
where
this
goes
in
the
process
and
exactly
which
sales
this
does
impact,
because
my
interpretation
of
the
resolution
is
very
different
than
apparently
what
is
being
presented
today.
So
thank
you.
A
Okay,
councilwoman
v
hill
koppler.
Do
you
want
to
try
to
address
that
question.
G
Well,
I
I
heard
a
lot
of
questions,
so
I'm
not
sure
which
question
is
it?
Is
it
that
there's
a
not
understanding
about
what
this
is
for,
or
I
mean
I'm.
I
can
tell
you
this.
I
I
see
this
as
quite
simple
number,
one
we're
not
engaging
in
the
we're,
not
engaging
the
public
and
what
we
are
responsible
for
in
terms
of
of
our
fiduciary
responsibilities,
because
we
do
everything
in
executive
session
and
that's
big
to
me.
G
So
not
only
that,
but
after
executive
session
we
move
to
action,
and
I
see
that
as
a
fine
line
of
a
violation
of
the
open
meetings
act
and
whether
that
conflicts
with
state
statute
or
not.
I
don't
know-
but
I
do
know
this-
I
I
don't
consider
consensus
or
almost
consensus
as
a
vote
and
enough
to
take
something
to
action.
G
It
addresses
moving
a
discussion
into
the
public
where
these
items
in
this
resolution,
although
I
might
agree
with
councillor
romero
worth
that
they're,
they
should
be
in
the
positive,
not
in
the
negative.
I
think
we
have
that
a
little
switched
around,
but
it
it
when
that
isn't
an
issue
and
we
can
still
discuss
those
in
executive
session.
But
the
point
is
we
need
to
come
out
and
vote
in
public
and
that
vote
should
be
a
discussion
if
of
whatever
nature
it
takes.
Sometimes
these
things
will
be
cut
and
dry.
Sometimes
they
won't.
G
G
G
That
is
what
we're
doing
today
with
other
properties,
and
I
think
they're
they're
just
as
important,
because
we
continue
to
leave
the
public
out
and
we
continue
to
consider
consensus
as
a
vote
and
I
think
that's
wrong
or
lack
of
consensus.
G
That's
all
this
is,
and
I
I
don't
you
know
I
can
understand
some
of
these
concerns,
but
some
some
of
these
waters
are
being
muddied
and
you
know
there
are
some
fixes.
I
guarantee
that
that
amendments
can
be
addressed
as
as
was
brought
up
tonight.
There's
some
very
good
points,
but
the
the
biggest
issue
here
is
public
transparency
and
not
violating
the
open
meetings.
Act
and
those
are
those
are
two
big
things
and
that's
what
I
think
is
important
here
now.
G
G
I
don't
know
you
know
how
long
that
will
take,
but
this
resolution
addresses
public
transparency
today
and
then,
if
an
ordinance
is
created,
fine
and
dandy,
we
could
you
know
we
can
do
that.
But
this
helps
us
today
and
that's
that's
why
I'm
bringing
it
forward
and
I
don't
have
any
particular
allegiance
to
any
property
the
city
has
or
doesn't
have,
but
I
just
think
it's
important
to
be
careful
with
taxpayer
money
to
have
a
discussion
in
front
of
the
public
about
taxpayer.
G
Money
and
land
is
money.
Property
is
money
and
not
violate
the
open
meetings
act
and
I
shouldn't
have
to
read
in
the
newspaper
something
that
we
didn't
even
take
action
on.
You
know
that
it's
a
fade
accompli
and
that's
why
I
propose
this:
I'm
just
tired
of
moving
from
executive
session
into
action
with
no
vote.
V
I
do
want
to
reiterate
that
there
are
no
violations
of
the
open
meetings
act.
The
open
meetings
act
has
a
specific
provision
for
attorney-client
privilege
that
that
is
allowed
to
go
in
executive
session.
It's
not
made
to
be
public
and
the
other.
There
are
number
there
are
10
exceptions,
and
one
of
them
in
particular,
is
meetings
for
the
discussion
of
the
purchase,
acquisition
or
disposal
of
real
property
or
water
rights
by
the
public
body,
and
I
just
want
to
reiterate
because
for
me
hearing
we're
violating
the
open
meetings.
V
G
I
I
you
know,
I'm
not
accusing
us
of
doing
that.
I'm
just
saying
that
it's
important
that
we
don't
do
that
in
the
future
and
you
know,
there's
nothing
wrong
with
taking
a
vote
on
things.
There's
there's
not
anything
wrong
with
that.
We
do
that.
Often
in
executive
session
we
come
out
and
there's
a
agenda
item
with
a
potential
vote.
M
M
That
means
that
before
any
of
the
work
is
done,
then
they
know,
then
our
team
knows
that
there's
an
interest
from
the
governing
body
to
put
this
up
for
sale
and
then
at
the
other
end.
You
have
said
after
we
come
out
of
executive
session
and
we
have
all
the
information,
then
we
vote.
So
I
think
that
that's
that's
where
my
confusion
has
been.
I
again
am
in
favor
of
the
idea
of
after
we
have
this
information.
We
go
into
executive
session.
We
discuss
what
we
can't
discuss
in
public
in
executive
session.
M
We
come
out,
we
discuss
what
we
can
discuss
in
public
and
public,
and
then
we
vote,
but
that's
a
very
different
point
in
the
process
than
if
the
vote
is
coming
and
saying
hey.
We
might
be
interested
in
selling
this
now
go
out
and
do
the
due
diligence.
So
that
was
one
of
my
questions
of
where
in
the
process
does
this
resolution
occur.
A
A
Councilwoman
v
ho
koppler.
Maybe
you
can
answer.
G
G
Sometimes
it
is
going
to
be
necessary
to
to
do
the
due
diligence
before
we
can
make
up
our
minds.
I
can't
say
in
which
you
know,
which
is
different.
All
I
can
say
is
that
I,
my
belief
in
this
resolution
is
that
we
need
to
get
rather
than
just
consensus
or
lack
of
consensus.
We
need
to
actually
have
a
vote
and
a
discussion
in
public.
It
can
be
before
the
60-day
notice
it
can
be
after
it
just
depends
on
what
is
the
best.
What
is
the
circumstance
behind
the
property?
What
does
it
dictate.
G
M
G
I
think
that's
a
good
understanding,
mr
chair,
and
I
think
that
the
staff
will
determine
you
know
they
know
more.
The
asset
development
manager,
that's
his
or
her
role
they'll.
You
know
they.
They
probably
know
more
about
properties
than
we
think
they
know,
and
sometimes
it's
going
to
be
easy
to
come
forward
with
the
data
that
we
need,
because
that's
what
they've
been
working
with
for
their
career.
M
Thank
you
and
then
the
other,
the
other
one
that
I
think
has
become
murkier
for
me
is
again
based
on
you
know
the
past
conversations
we've
had
about
the
various
pathways
to
dispose
of
property.
There's
the
public
sale,
the
private
sale,
the
rfei
andrea.
Wasn't
there
one
more?
Isn't
there
four
pathways?
V
M
V
M
That
I
definitely
want
to
have
my
governing
body
is
the
understanding
of
it
in
which
situations
is
this
applying
and
in
which
situations
is
it
not
applying?
Did
I
say
implying
which
situations
does
this
apply
and
which
situations
does
it
not
apply?
M
A
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
I
just
want
to
point
out
several
times
tonight
that
we've
said
the
royal.
We
sure
we
have,
as
governing
body
members,
we're
aware
of
these
processes,
we're
forgetting
about
the
other.
We
we
as
a
city-
and
I
think
you
know
it-
was
definitely
misrepresented
by
some
of
my
colleagues
earlier-
that
we've
always
done
things
in
a
transparent
manner.
F
I
don't
know
if
my
colleagues
didn't
receive,
if
not
hundreds
or
thousands
of
emails
throughout
the
santa
fe
clay
process,
that
it
wasn't
transparent,
and
I
think
this
is
what
we
want.
We
want
to
ensure
at
the
end
of
the
day,
that
the
public
is
well
aware
that
the
governing
body
has
approved
for
a
piece
of
property
to
go
up
for
sale
and
that's
that's.
The
intention
of
this
resolution
is
to
introduce
transparency
into
the
process.
F
Now,
whether
everybody
is
in
agreement,
that's
not
gonna
slow,
it
down.
I
think
the
point
was
made
earlier
that
somebody
we
might
not
have
consensus
and
having
this
would
slow
down
the
process.
I
don't
buy
that
what
this
does
is.
It
builds
transparency
into
the
process,
and
this
is
what
the
public
has
been
asking
for,
and
we're
going
to
find
we're
going
to
have
some
folks
try
to
find
every
which
way
to
kill
this
process
and
argue
that
and
money
the
water
that
well,
let's
create
an
ordinance.
Well,
let's
create
an
ordinance.
F
F
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
so
I'm
going
to
make
a
motion.
I
know
there's
some
adjustments.
We
have
making
those
language
changes
in
that
section
about
land
sales
into
the
affirmative,
but
I
think
we
could
change
that
with
an
amendment
later
on,
as
well
as
any
other
kind
of
language
language.
That
would
clarify
process.
I
think,
but
but
I
do
think
the
the
heart
of
this
is
important
and
I
don't
think
we
need
an
ordinance
to
say
it's
important.
I
was
thinking
back
about
other
legislation.
E
E
What
in
our
dna,
if
you
will
for
a
lot
of
things
that
we
do
in
the
city,
I
was
also
thinking
about
what
my
colleague
said
about
some
of
these,
what
we
vote
in
after
executive
session
that
has
fiscal
implications
and
that
it
needs
to
go
through
committee.
Well,
there's
been
times
that
we've
had
litigation
like
we're
agreeing
to
a
litigation
and
it's
gonna
potentially
require
us
to
hire
outside
litigators
and
attorneys,
and
that
doesn't
go
through
committee.
E
We
go
through
talk
about
it
at
executive
session
and
then
we
actually
do
a
vote.
So
it's
not
necessarily
all
the
same.
So
it
depends
on
what
it
is.
So
I
think
that
moving
forward,
we
can
make
some
adjustments,
but
I'd
like
to
to
make
a
motion
to
move
this
forward
with
the
intention
that
we're
going
to
get
a
new
fire
and
also
make
some
amendments
for
language
changes.
E
Well,
I
mean
I
could
spend
time
trying
to
find
amendments
for
that
section
that
we
were
talking
about
that
needed
to
be
in
the
affirmative.
I
do
think
all
of
those
points
need
to
be
switched,
but
I
don't
know
if
we
have
the
appetite
for
that
now.
Okay,.
A
E
A
As
needed,
okay,
there's
a
motion:
is
there
a
second
okay?
We
have
a
second
any
further
discussion.
H
I'd
like
an
opportunity
after
we
vote
to
explain
my
vote.
B
Counsel
cass
at
sanchez.
H
A
H
Thank
you
chair.
I
abstained
because
the
way
that
this
resolution
stands
now,
I
can't
support
it,
which
is
what
we
were
asked
to
vote
on
and
I
think
it
needs
amendments
and
until
I
would
see
those
amendments
and
I'll
probably
work
on
some
of
my
own.
I
can't
support
this,
so
I
I
couldn't
give
this
a
yes
vote,
because
the
way
it
sits
right
now
is
not
acceptable
to
me
to
say
yes
to
it.
So
that's
why
I'm
staying
chair.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
councilwoman
sanchez.
M
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I've,
a
similar
viewpoint
of
counselor
lindell
that
was
like
a
slightly
different
vote
as
counselor
via
real
stated.
I
do
agree
with
the
intention
of
this
measure,
even
though
there
are
some
language
changes
that
I
do
need
to
see.
I
do
believe
that
there
are
some
amendments
to
address
the
process
and
some
clarification
pieces
before.
I
would
be
willing
to
give
a
final
vote
at
council.
M
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
voted
no
because
I
think
actually
this
should
be.
This
item
should
be
postponed
and
we
should
get
the
current
fir
and
we
should
make
the
changes.
The
work
should
be
done
in
committee
and
not
at
the
governing
body
level,
and
this
bill
is,
is
not
ready
to
go
in
its
current
form.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
that
brings
us
to
presentations.
Thank
you,
counselor
v,
hill
koppler
and
counselor
garcia
for
sticking
with
us
through
this
and
participating
in
the
discussion.
I
appreciate
it
okay,
so
our
presentation
is
on
a
on
this
isn't
an
action
item,
but
I
do
wanna
hear
it.
A
If
there
are
committee
members,
I
can't
stick
through
it
because
it's
already
going
late,
I'm
sure
this
won't
be
the
first
time
we'll
hear
it,
but
I
do
want
to
give
a
on
the
opportunity
to
at
least
make
a
quick
presentation
to
us
and
then
miss
mccoy
and
miss
salazar.
If
you
could
give
us
direction
after
the
presentation
and
then
again,
if
there's
committee,
members
that
need
to
to
exit
feel
free,
but
I
do
want
to
give
and
the
courtesy
of
at
least
giving
us
a
brief
presentation.
W
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
will
go
ahead
and
turn
it
over
to
todd
burley.
This
is
just
a
regular
update
on
where
we
are
as
far
as
our
claims
are
concerned.
So
the
presentation
will
be
brief,
but
again
just
wanted
to
provide
the
finance
committee
with
an
update
as
to
where
we
are.
X
X
If
you
move
down
to
row
16
the
costs
here
to
date
are
about
11.8
million
17,
that's
about
a
630
000
shortfall
in
the
first
seven
months
of
the
fiscal
year
and
line
20.
That's
that's
about
a
5.6
percent
deficit.
X
This
just
shows
the
same
information
on
a
monthly
basis.
Really
the
only
thing
of
note.
If
you
go
to
the
bottom
section
rows,
10,
11,
12,
that's
the
effect
of
covid,
where
you
can
see
claims
the
medical
claims
are
substantially
lower
than
the
prior
months
and
current
year
to
date,
yeah
you
can
see
up
top
there's
about
9.2
2
million
in
medical
claims.
1.5
million
in
pharmacy
claims
pharmacy
was
relatively
unaffected
by
covet.
X
X
X
Next,
we'll
move
to
dental
don't
be
alarmed
by
columbia.
Where
you
see
a
19.1
percent
increase
in
claims,
your
membership
was
essentially
unable
to
go
to
the
dentist
in
april
and
may
of
2020.
So
you
can
see.
Y
So,
mr
chairman
and
counselor,
so
we
wanted
to
briefly
talk
about
what's
coming
up.
Is
you
know
we're
going
to
be
coming
to
you
with
the
renewal
on
your
medical
and
and
other
plans,
and
we
thought
it'd
be
a
great
opportunity
to
review
kind
of
what
we
went
through
in
last
year's
process?
Pam.
Can
you
move
forward
to
the
next
slide?
Y
So
if
you
recall,
in
winter
early
spring,
we
had
the
beginning
of
our
annual
review
process.
The
renewal
was
forecasted
to
be
a
1.9
million
increase
to
the
cost.
From
the
2019
2020
plan
year
in
spring
of
2020,
we
had
several
discussions
of
the
annual
renewal
process.
We
had
options
that
were
presented
to
committees
and
the
governing
body
during
that
fiscal
year,
2021
budget
process
to
include
discussions
about
challenges
that
we
were
facing
due
to
coven
19,
budget
shortfalls
and
employee
financial
constraints.
Y
Then,
in
spring
and
early
summer,
2020
we
moved
to
the
decisions
of
the
annual
renewal
process
and,
if
you
will
recall,
the
governing
body
voted
to
use
the
health
and
dental
fund
balance
dollars
to
offset
the
increased
cost,
the
1.9
million
increase.
Y
The
discussed
risk
was
that
by
developing
by
depleting
the
health
and
dental
fund
balance,
we
will
require
the
city
to
use
general
fund
dollars
if
the
city
has
another
year
of
high
claims
consistent
with
the
past
two
years
and
then
would
also
require
the
consideration
of
a
margin
be
built
into
future
renewals
to
assist
with
rebuilding
the
health
and
dental
fund.
W
Body,
bernadette
I'm
turning
it
back
over
to
you.
Yes,
thank
you
don,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee.
With
that
we
will
stand
for
questions
and
in
the
upcoming
committee,
meetings
will
be
bringing
forward
options
for
the
renewal
process.
A
H
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation.
Could
you
forward
the
screenshots
to
us
and,
if
possible,
with
further
information
it'll
come
to
us?
Could
you
try
to
get
that
sent
out
to
us
prior
to
the
meeting
so
that
we
can
study
it
a
little
bit,
and
I
appreciate
that
so
that
I
can
be
better
prepared
to
ask
meaningful
questions
this
information.
I
would
need
to
really
study
in
order
to
ask
questions
that
I
think,
would
be
germane
to
the
data.
So
that's
all
I
have
chair.
Thank
you.
E
Villarreal.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
This
item
actually
was
accessible
through
primegov
and
now
it's
not
so
I
don't
know
if
there's
some
change
that
happened,
but
now
it's
saying
it's
invalid.
So
I
don't
know
if
you
all
made
a
change
to
the
presentation
and
reloaded
it,
but
it
no
longer
works.
So
I'm
gonna
have
to
go
to
your
screen.
Can
you
go
back
to
the
page
about.
E
The
medical,
let's
see
well
first,
on
this
page
before
you
go
on
the
presenter
said
the
enrollment
is
down,
and
can
you
give
us
an
explanation
of
why
that
is
so.
W
Mr
chairman
counselor,
via
royale,
we
do
have
some
vacancies
that
would
account
for
the
reduction
in
enrollment,
so
that
could
result
in
the
reduction
and
also
just
to
clarify
the
presentation
was
published
on
prime
gov
early
on,
because
I
believe
we
were
scheduled
to
do
it
a
little
bit
earlier.
The
only
thing
that
changed
in
the
presentation
was
the
date
in
the
front
of
the
presentation
as
well
as
we
had
another
month
of
numbers.
W
So
I
think
the
last
presentation
that
you
were
able
to
access
was
through,
I
want
to
say,
november
or
december,
and
then
we
were
able
to
get
an
additional
month
in
there.
So
those
were
the
changes
I
apologize,
but
we'll
make
sure
to
get
this
email
to.
E
You,
I
think
it's
just
the
quirkiness
of
prime
gov,
if
you
change
the
title
or
the
caption
and
there's
some
weird
value
that
you
put
in
it
rejects
it,
so
we
can't
open
it,
but
it
also
could
be
mine
because
I
always
have
problems
with
prime
gum.
E
The
other
question
I
had
was
about
the.
If
you
could
go
into
the
next
slide
and
the
next
slide
after
that.
E
So
there
we
go
okay,
so
claims
you
gave
us
a
period
of
time
july,
2019
to
june
2020.,
so
we're
mid-range
right
now
right
for
the
claims
for
july
2020
to
january
2021,
and
so
are
you
saying
we're
on
track
to
be
similar
to
the
claims
that
we
had
in
that
last
budget
cycle
or
you're
thinking
that
it'll
be
less
less
this
time
period.
X
Counselor
via
royale
at
the
current
pace
you
should
be
lower
than
than
where
you
ended.
Last
year,
again,
you're
going
to
see
a
higher
number
you'll,
see
more
and
more
claimants
appear
on
this
list
throughout
the
year,
as
people
have
the
opportunity
quote
unquote
to
move
up
to
125
000
in
claims,
but
as
you're
running
right
now,
you
should
end
up
short
of
the
4.1
million
from
last
year.
X
E
Got
it
okay,
let's
see
what
was
the
next
slide
just
to
make
sure
I
didn't
okay,
I
think
I
agree
with
my
colleague
just
to
get
the
information
ahead
of
time,
so
we
understand
like
what
the
implications
are
going
to
be
financially
for
this
budget
season.
W
Mr
chairman
counselor
via
rail,
we're
probably
looking
at
about
a
month
out
so
probably
in
march,
we'll
be
bringing
forward
the
information
okay,
but
we
can
certainly
get
you
the
presentation
ahead
of
schedule.
Okay,
that.
M
C
Mr
chair
counselor
kessel
sanchez.
We
will
be
providing
that
information
as
we
move
forward.
So
we
are
working
on
updating
those
tables
based
on
the
recent
seven
month,
outlook
that
you
or
a
seven
month,
history
that
you
see
here
and
then
the
five
month
outlook
projection
for
the
remainder
of
the
year.
So
that
will
be
part
of
the
march
presentation
that
director
salazar
referred
to
earlier.
M
Wonderful,
thank
you.
That
will
be
very
helpful
as
councilwoman
vitoria
was
mentioning
about
the
financial
implications
as
we're
coming
up
to
budget
season,
and
then
we
had
previously
discussed,
I
believe,
about
getting
our
medical.
So
right
now
we
do
our
open
enrollment.
I
believe
in
july,
am
I
or
are
we
start
in
july?
M
We
do
up
enrollment
in
may
something
along
those
lines,
but
if
we
look
at
where
a
lot
of
other
organizations
and
where
the
the
exchange
healthcare.com
excuse
me
healthcare.gov
for
the
affordable
care
act,
thank
you
for
my
brain
for
producing
words.
M
That
is
a
an
open
enrollment
that
takes
place
in
the
fall
for
starting
in
january,
and
so
we
had
had
discussions
of
aligning
so
that
if
our
staff
had
options
to
either
a
spouse
for
through
their
employment
or
if
they
wanted
to
look
at
the
exchange
that
that
it
would
align
better,
is
there
a
reason
that
we
didn't
do
that
this
year?
Is
that
still
something
that
we
are
considering.
W
However,
that
would
require
us
to
have
two
open
enrollment
periods
in
one
year
and
due
to
you
know
the
challenges
this
year.
We
just
weren't
able
to
do
that,
but
certainly
we
can
explore
that.
That
would
require
an
open
enrollment
now
to
ensure
that
we're
giving
employees
the
opportunities
to
make
changes
basically
12
12
months
in.
But
then
we
would
have
to
enter
into
another
open
enrollment,
probably
by
september
or
october,
for
an
effective
date
of
january
of
2022.
M
Right,
thank
you.
I
know
that
we
had
discussed
that,
and
I
understand
that
this
year
there
was
some
other
things
to
focus
on.
So
that
is
something
that
I
definitely
want
to
keep
on
our
radar
and
see
if
it
is
possible,
this
upcoming
calendar
year
to
allow
that
so
that
our
employees
do
have
that
flexibility
in
making
those
choices
and
can
compare
and.
W
Contrast
at
the
same
time-
and
I
would
like
to
also
add
that
due
to
the
pandemic,
employees
were
able
to
make
changes
throughout
this
time
like
an
open
enrollment
as
a
result
of
covid19.
So
there
was
a
lot
of
flexibility
there
as.
M
A
No
okay,
then
thank
you.
We
look
forward
to
the
presentation
and
march
and
then,
if,
if
mary,
if
you
and
ms
salazar,
if
we
can
get
together
before
that
presentation
with
myself
and
aeon
just
so
that
we're
we're
prepped
for
it
and
then
we'll
be
sure
at
that
meeting
to
put
a
on
in
the
presentation
first
on
the
agenda
and
everything
else,
all
the
consent
items
after,
so
that
we
don't
rush
through
that
in
in
march.
A
So
thank
you
and
thank
you
aion
for
being
so
patient
and
staying
with
us
this
evening.
Okay,
so
that
takes
us
to
matters
from
staff.
C
Mr
chair,
at
this
time
we
don't
have
any
updates.
We
look
forward
to
providing
a
written
update
on
our
gross
receipts
tax
distribution
for
the
month
of
december.
During
the
previous
conversation,
they
did
check
trd's
website
and
we
have
not
received
that
information
yet
from
trd,
but
hopefully
within
the
next
week.
We
will
so
look
forward
to
that
coming
into
your
inboxes
in
written
form.
A
Okay,
great,
thank
you
matters
from
the
committee.
A
Okay-
and
I
don't
have
anything
other
than
our
next
meeting-
is
march
1st
2021.
So
with
that
we
are.