►
From YouTube: Special Finance Committee Meeting for November 16, 2020
Description
No description was provided for this meeting.
If this is YOUR meeting, an easy way to fix this is to add a description to your video, wherever mtngs.io found it (probably YouTube).
A
D
All
right,
thank
you.
The
next
item
is
approval
of
the
agenda.
We
have
one
action
item.
Are
there
any
changes
to
the
agenda
from
staff?
No
changes,
mr
chair,
anything
from
the
committee.
E
B
D
Okay,
thank
you
so
item
for
our
auction
item.
Discussion
is
a
consideration
of
a
resolution
hosting
community
conversations
and
establishing
a
special
city
committee
on
cultures,
histories,
art,
reconciliation
and
truth,
and
what
I
would
like
to
do,
I
does
everybody:
did
everybody
get
a
copy
of
the
the
resolution
that
shows
all
of
the
amendments
color
coded
by
jesse
gehen?
D
What
I'd
like
to
do
is.
I
would
like
to
it's
up
to
the
committee,
but
I
think
we
should
just
start
on
page
one
and
just
go
through
the
resolution
and
each
amendment
go
over.
The
amendment
allow
the
the
proposer
of
the
amendment
to
address
the
committee
and
then
the
committee
discuss
the
amendment
and
then
just
move
through
it.
That
way.
Unless
the
committee
has
a
better
idea
than
that.
C
So,
mr
chair,
do
we
have
the
other
sponsors
I
can't
see
from
my
computer
of
these
other
amendments?
Are
they
in
attendance.
D
C
Okay
and
just
to
be
clear,
any
motions
that
are
made
would
have
to
be
made
by
a
committee
member,
correct.
D
Yes
by
a
committee
member
and
then
voted
on
by
the
committee
itself:
okay,
okay,
so
any
other
ideas
or
suggestions.
Or
should
we
try
to
proceed
that
way
and
see
how
it
goes.
D
Okay,
so
let's
let's
proceed,
I
will
read
yes
just.
D
C
So
can
we
go
back
to
process
for
a
minute,
I'm
sorry
yeah.
Mr
j,
I
thought
you
were
going
to
take
these
amendments
in
their
hold,
not
go
so
the
problem
is,
if
you
go
page
by
page,
you've
got
different
amendments
offered
by
different
people,
so
I
don't
know
how
we're
going
to
do
that,
because
I
think
we
need
to
consider
the
amendments
by
the
different
people
in
their
in
a
whole.
D
D
I
don't
I
don't
know
it
might
be
really
confusing,
but
we
can
we
can
so
do
so
then
do
instead
do
we
want
to
take
up
amendments
a
and
then
b
and
go
in
that
order?
Then
yeah.
C
F
Councilwoman
via
rael.
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
just
want
to
get
clarification
on
this,
so
there
is
a
way
to
vote
on
parts
of
an
amendment
sheet
as
a
whole,
because
there's
some
of
us
that
probably
agree
with
some
of
the
changes
and
then
maybe
part
of
the
other
changes
in
one
amendment
that
we
don't
necessarily
agree
with.
F
So
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
the
best
method
of
how
we
can
still
vote
on
parts
of
a
full
amendment
like
in
this
case,
amendment
d,
so
that
we
don't
disregard
some
of
the
language
that
actually
isn't
it's
more
semantics.
It's
more
just
changing
language
versus
like
the
membership.
So
what
are
our
options?
To
do
that
I
mean,
even
if
we
present
it
as
a
whole,
I
still
think
there's
should
be
an
ability
to
vote
on
each
piece
of
that
hole.
F
Does
that
make
sense,
because
you
know
some
of
mine,
I'm
just
thinking
of
mine.
Some
are
just
language
changes
that
don't
really
change
substantially
the
resolution
and
then,
when
I
get
down
to
my
amendments
to
the
membership
that
may
be
different
and
wouldn't
maybe
not
everybody
agrees
with
those
adjustments.
So
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
without
completely
eliminating
a
whole
amendment.
C
Mr
chair,
I
think
what
we
can
do
is
we
can
say
on
amendment
d,
you
know
we
like
pieces
of
it
and
then
we
would
have
to
draft.
You
know,
get
the
get
get
it
drafted
the
pieces
that
we
like,
because
it
is
offered
the
amendment.
C
The
amendment
is
all
the
and
in
some
of
these
amendments
you
know.
C
F
D
Chair
right:
well,
let's
see
councilwoman
cassette
sanchez.
What
are
your
thoughts?
You
have
your
hand
up
to.
E
I'm
thinking
in
terms
of
understanding
the
amendments
in
context.
I
really
do
like
the
idea
of
going
through
line
by
line,
and
then
I
don't
know
what
happens
when
we
come
to
voting
apparently.
But
you
know
that
might
be.
E
The
piece
is
that
we
are
voting
and
pulling
parts
of
the
amendment
out,
but
I
think
in
terms
of
of
really
getting
a
good
discussion
going
on
what
the
amendments
are
and
how
they
impact
this
resolution,
going
line
by
line
will
make
the
most
sense
for
me
for
my
process,
and
I
would
imagine,
for
potentially
people
listening
or
watching.
D
So
yeah,
so
that
was
kind
of
my
intent.
Can
we
go
line
by
line
and
then
I
maybe
identify
the
ones
that
we
want
to
want
to
have
more
discussion
on
or
go
back
and
forth
on
when
we
do
make
a
motion,
because
my
hunch
is
there's
probably
I
could
be
wrong,
but
maybe
60
70
of
these
amendments
that
maybe
we're
all
okay
with
and
there's,
maybe
four
or
five
of
them
that
are
gonna.
D
D
C
Maybe
what
we
do
is
we
go
through
this
line
by
line
with
the
idea
that
we
are
crafting
a
finance
committee
amendment,
if
assuming
we
can
all
agree
on
it,
but
then,
but
then
we'll
have
to
you
know:
ask
that
it'd
be
drafted
in
a
in
in
a
way
that
adopts
all
these
different
items.
C
D
Have
to
draft
so
you're
saying
sheet
d
with
the
11:
that's
one
amendment.
C
C
C
C
And
then
the
things
that
and
then
the
things
that
are
that
do
have
you
know
more
where
we're
not
all
in
agreement,
those
can
be
offered
on
their
own.
F
Mr
chair,
yes,
can
we
ask
jesse
guillen
about
that,
because
that
was
my
original
idea
to
put
the
things
that
aren't
that
are
just
you
know:
language
changes
in
one
section
of
my
amendment
and
have
a
separate
amendment
that
would
address
maybe
some
of
the
more
difficult
membership
questions
and
I
was
told
no,
they
all
have
to
be
in
one.
F
So
I
was
thinking
it
would
be
easier
if
we
separated
them
out,
and
I
was
told
that
we
couldn't
so
jesse
again.
Can
you
clarify
that
for
us.
H
Yes,
thank
you
just
to
clarify
clarify
that
you
can
put
them
in
separate
amendments.
That's
fine,
just
my
point
when
we
were
discussing
that
was
that
I
think
it
would
be
easier
to
have
them
in
one
in
just
when
you're
looking
at
all
of
them.
Instead
of
having
five
different
amendments
from
you
and
three
from
someone
else,
and
you
end
up
having
15
amendments,
we
already
have
eight,
so
I
I
I
was
my
point
was
just
that
it
would
be
less
cluttered
in
terms
of.
H
Selecting
some
amendments
from
a
certain
amendment
sheet.
I
don't
think
there's
anything
that
stops
you
from
doing
that
in
in
light
of
how
many
amendments
there
are,
it
might
make
sense.
This
council
romero
worth
said
to
do
essentially
a
finance
committee
substitute,
which
we've
never
really
done
that
before,
but
we've
also
rarely
had
this
many
amendments
to
a
particular
bill.
H
C
C
So
I
think
what
we
want
to
do
is
offer
maybe
a
fi
if
we
want
to
offer
a
finance
committee
amendment,
that's
fine,
but
a
substitute,
because
I
also
had
wanted
to
offer
a
substitute
that
incorporated
the
things
that
aren't.
C
C
We
can
do
a
substitute
because
the
subs
all
these
amendments
are
built
to
the
bill
as
it's
written.
If
you
offer
a
substitute
you're
going
to
change,
you
know
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
say
on
page
4
line
5,
because
that
may
no
longer
be
page
4
line
5,
because
integrating
certain
changes
is
going
to
change
the
paging
and
the
line
numbering.
D
Okay,
well,
let's,
let's
go
through
the
resolution
and
identify
the
the
things
that
are
just
language
that
we
think
we're
okay
with
in
that
and
then
we'll
identify
the
things
that
are
conflicting
or
have
conflicts
and
then
we'll
decide
how
to
deal
with
that,
because
what
I'm
so
the
the
first
amendment,
which
is
the
removal
of
the
don
diego
de
vargas
statue
from
cathedral
park
and
the
boarding
up
kit
carson
memorial.
D
C
I
I
do
have
a
question
about
that
and
again
I
believe
that
that
this
particular
amendment
was
offered
by
councillor
via
rael.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
It's
really
not
creating
a
physical
space
like
a
building,
but
it's
the
need
to
create
a
space
for
community
engagement,
so
like
a
container
to
be
able
to
have
community
engagement,
whether
it's
through
zoom,
at
this
point
or
any
or
hopefully
in
the
future
in
person.
F
C
So
I
I
only
wonder
if
maybe
I
and
I
I
I
figured
that
you
didn't
mean
a
place,
but
I
just
I
hope
that
other
people
don't
read
it
literally,
and
so
I
wonder
if
there's
a
different
way
to
say,
to
create
a
process
or
to
create.
I
don't
know
what
other
language
chase
would
would
help
us.
C
C
And
I
I
mean
I
and
I
just
offer
that
I
don't
know
I
mean.
Maybe
somebody
else
has
a
better
idea,
but
I
just
again
don't
want
people
to
think
that
this
is
only
going
to
happen,
say
at
city
hall
or
only
via
zoom,
or
only
I
don't
know
so.
E
F
I
wasn't
talking
I
was
talking
to
myself.
Let's
see,
I
was
reading
it
out
loud.
The
city's
leadership
recognizes
the
need
to
create
an
opportunity
for
community
engagement.
I
don't
know
if
it's
an
opportunity,
I
feel
like
it's
a
process
like
we
could
use
process
to
me.
It's
a
space
that,
like
a
safe
space,
is
what
I'm
thinking.
D
D
D
So
then,
now,
therefore
be
it
resolved
by
the
governing
body
of
the
city
of
santa
fe
that
the
city
shall
convene
listening
sessions
for
all
members
of
the
community,
facilitated
by
a
professional.
We
strike
the
word
trained
and
ad
with
mediator,
slash
dispute
resolution,
training
and
experience
and
cultural
competency.
H
C
C
You
know
that
that
meant
a
specific
thing,
but
if
you,
if
you
take
out
professional
now
and
just
put
use
the
language,
that's
been
added
because
you
do
want
a
mediator.
I
think-
and
you
want
that
mediator
to
in
particular,
have
dispute
resolution,
training
and
experience
in
cultural
competency.
It's
a
particular
type
of
mediator.
D
No
okay,
so
then
the
next
amendment
would
be
starting
on
line
eight
section,
two
purpose:
the
purpose
of
the
chart
committee
is
to
understand
the
complete
and
complex
history
of
santa
fe
and
then
adding
in
and
its
connection
to
the
region
and
then
the
role
of
monuments
and
other
remembrances.
So
any
questions
or
comments
regarding
that
amendment.
D
C
So
when
we
say
to
the
region,
are
you
and
I
think
in
in
some
of
the
other
items
contained
in
in
your
amendments?
You
are
speaking
to
a
particular
region.
F
C
I'm
concerned
that
isolating
to
northern
new
mexico
may
be
too
narrow,
because
albuquerque
shares
our
history
in
northern
new
mexico
as
well,
and
I
think
we
by
in
some
of
these
amendments
to
focus
on
northern
new
mexico,
we
cut
out
the
possibility
of
having
folks
from
the
university
of
new
mexico
who
may
bring
skills
to
this
conversation
that
we
want
to
make
sure
we
include,
and
so
I
I.
D
F
I'm
I'm
what
I
wanted
to
say
is
that
the
we're
talking
about
a
complete
and
and
complex
history
of
santa
fe.
Well,
it's
not
just
santa
fe,
there's
more
to
it.
It's
our
area
and
it
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
not
including
people
with
expertise
at
unm
we're
talking
about
the
geographic
region.
So
I
wanted
to
expand
it
beyond
santa
fe.
C
D
No
okay,
so
then
the
next
amendment
would
be
on
line
18,
but
I'll
pick
it
up
from
line
17.
The
greater
santa
fe
community
can
join
together
for
a
culture
of
equality,
equity
strike
and
put
common
understanding,
comma
and
healing.
D
Okay,
no,
so
that's
okay
b
is
an
amendment
that
was
offered
by.
D
Cr
is
that
whose
initials
are
cr
and
then
that's
chris.
C
C
D
Okay,
so
that'd
be
rivera,
garcia
and
the
hill
coupler,
and
it
is
propose
guidelines
and
make
recommendations
for
monuments,
remembrances
or
works
of
art
for
the
santa
fe
plaza
beginning
with
the
soldiers
monument
the
obelisk
within
six
months
of
the
committee's
first
meeting,
questions
from
the
finance
committee
on
that
councilwoman
cassette
sanchez.
E
I
am
I'm
not
sure
as
much
of
a
question
as
I
disagree
with
this
particular
amendment,
in
the
sense
that
I
understand
that
there
right
now,
we
feel
this
extreme
kind
of
need
to
quickly
resolve
the
center
of
the
plaza,
but
I
do
worry
about
taking
away
from
the
process
and
kind
of
going
back
to
the
understanding
that
the
incident
on
the
plaza
is
not
a
isolated
incident.
It
is
not
a
unique
completely
devoid
from
what
we
were
talking
about
earlier
of
the
various
histories
and
pieces
that
are
coming
into
this.
E
E
E
E
C
I
can't
tell
from
our
panelists
thing
which
hands
are
old
hands
and
which
hands
are
new
hands.
So
are
you
using
the
hands,
the
blue
hands.
C
Okay,
all
right
just
just
didn't
know
whether
I
should
be
raising
my
hand
or
not,
but
so
I
guess,
if
I
could
ask
counselor
cassette
sanchez,
so
is
it
the
time
frame
that
you're
objecting
to
more
than
the
adding
language
that
suggests
that
this
committee
should
be
making
recommendations
with
regard
to
monuments,
remembrances
and
works
of
art,
just
sort
of
that
big
picture,
but
let
them
do
it
in
the
time
frame
that
they
identify
and
figure
is.
It
seems
logistically
correct.
E
Yes,
that
is
precisely
it
I.
I
do
absolutely
think
that
this
is
a
this
is
a
important
vehicle,
and
this
is
an
important
outcome
of
this
committee,
but
it's
the
time
frame
that
I
do
have
concerns
with
and
would
rather
not
put
a
time
frame
on
it
for
them,
except
for
the
final
time
frame
that
we
have
of
what
is
it
december
2021.
I
believe.
C
So-
and
I
guess
just
so
that
helps
so
I
mean
I
just
wonder
if
we
could
strike
the
time
frame
but
also
add,
I
think
to
your
other
point,
which
is
it's
it's
more
than
just
the
plaza
it's
as
we
added
to
the
beginning
of
this
resolution.
It's
the
don
diego
de
vargas
statute
and
the
course
carson
memorial
I
mean,
and
it's
really
all
of
our
statutes
and
memorials
like
how
are
we
going
to
make
sure?
How
do
we
tell
a
more
comprehensive
story
of
our
history?
D
I'll
just
say:
well
we
consider
that
we
have
both
of
the
makers
of
these
amendments
who
joined
us.
If
maybe
we
want
to
hear
what
their
thinking
is
behind
the
six
months
before
we
decide
on
this,
so
councilman
cassette
sanchez.
Do
you
want
to
make
a
comment,
or
do
we
want
to
hear
from
the
the
amendment
makers.
D
Okay,
let's
start
with
counselor
garcia
and
then
counselor
b,
hill
couplers
with
us
also
counselor,
garcia,.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
appreciate
the
discussion
on
the
matter
and
this
had
been
brought
up
in
a
prior
committee
meeting
and
us.
The
group
that
were
the
makers
of
this
motion
went
back
reconvened
and
discussed
the
matter,
and
we
strongly
believe
that
there
needed
to
be
a
time
frame,
because
this
is
a
pressing
issue
for
our
community
and
we
felt
that
we
we
needed
to
get
some
action
quickly.
I
That's
what
the
community
is
calling
for-
and
this
is
what
this
amendment
purpose
is-
is
that
we
begin
this
process
and
if
we
leave
it
open-ended,
this
committee
is
scheduled
to
not
cease
until
the
end
of
2022.,
so
that's
basically
leaving
open-ended
for
two
years,
which
would
be
completely
unexpected.
Yes,.
I
No
no
began
we're
talking
about
everything
but
beginning
with
the
obelisk.
The
priority
is
to
address
the
obelisk
and
then
everything
else
the
priority,
the
the
the
intent
of
one
of
the
big
intents
of
this
chart
committee
is
to
address
the
obelisk,
the
don
diego
statue,
the
carson
statue
and
any
other
location
throughout
the
entire
city.
That
has
been
called
for.
I
Removal
of
we've
seen
names
set
for
the
removal
of
the
the
de
vargas
small
we've
seen
for
names,
removal
from
streets-
and
this
is
a
bigger
and
broader
discussion
that
needs
to
happen,
and
it
can
happen
over
the
two-year
time
span.
But
what
we're
the
intent
is
that,
within
six
months,
we
can
at
least
have
some
tangible
results
in
the
sense
that
we
can
determine
what
the
future
of
the
obelisk
is
and
then
the
future.
D
A
C
So
I
I
I
understand
that
the
thing
that
I
have
to
say
I
may
tend
to
agree
more
with
the
council.
Cass
at
sanchez
is,
is
that
what
I
worry
about
is
coming
to
decisions
before
we've
given
enough
time
for
the
community
to
be
heard,
to
speak
and
be
heard
and
to
be
listened
to,
and
for
us
to
set
that
artificially.
C
We
might
not
be
ready
yet
as
a
community
to
decide
what
should
happen
in
those
spaces,
because
we
have
because
people
haven't
had
enough
time
to
speak
and
to
be
heard
and
to
be
listened
to
and
that
piece
I
find
really
really
important
to
the
process
that
we're
creating
here
and
the
work
that
we
want
to
to
be
done
is
it's.
You
know
it's
it's
like
coming
to
a
conclusion
before
everybody's
had
a
chance
to
to
weigh
in
so
that's
what
concerns
me
about.
D
Okay,
counselor
garcia
one
more
time,
and
then
I
want
to
hear
from
councilwoman
v
hill
koppler.
I
You,
mr
chair,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
the
makers
of
this
amendment
felt
that
this
could
be
done
in
six
months
to
make
the
decision
whether
the
obelisk
should
should
stay
there
or
be
removed.
We
felt
that
that
decision
could
be
made
within
six
months
now
what
the
future
is.
After
what?
If,
let's
hypothetically,
say
that
the
decision
by
the
community
was
made
to
remove
the
obelisk?
I
We
need
to
make
a
determination
what
is
going
to
happen
with
that
space
within
six
months,
and
we
felt
six
months
was
sufficient
for
this
committee
to
organize
here
public
input,
even
if
it's
that's
their
first
six
months
of
their
job,
it
could
be
done
and
we
we
strongly
felt
that
without
this
making
being
a
priority
of
this
committee,
then
it
could
draw
out
to
to
one
year
one
and
a
half
year,
two
years,
which
would
be
a
complete
disservice
to
what
this
committee
should
be
doing.
I
D
G
Yes,
I
do
you
know,
I
think,
well,
the
I
echo
councillor
garcia's
points
on
the
obelisk.
If
that
wasn't
such
a
big
deal,
why
was
it
tried?
Why
was
it
tried
to
be
taken
down
in
the
middle
of
the
night?
If
that
wasn't
such
a
big
deal,
then
why
did
people
chain
themselves
to
it?
If
that
wasn't
such
a
big
deal,
then
why
did
they
topple
it
over
and
if
it
wasn't
such
a
big
deal,
why
are
they
arresting
people?
G
This
is
a
big
deal
and
this
is
a
big
bone
of
contention
for
the
community.
The
other
thing
we
haven't
heard
anything
of,
and
I
I
thought
the
city
attorney's
office
was
going
to
research.
It
was
the
the
rules
surrounding
this
monument.
G
You
know,
I
don't
know
what
what
the
federal
people
have
to
say
about.
You
know
what
what's
happened
here,
but
I
do
know
it
was
important
enough
to
count
it
as
a
a
landmark
or
whatever.
I'm
not
sure,
if
that's
the
right
word,
but
there
are
rules
against
what
happened
to
this.
G
We
haven't
heard
yet
on
that.
But
you
know
it
is
a
big
deal
and
I
for
one
being
born
and
raised
here
and
having
had
many
times
as
a
child
around
the
plaza
for
fiesta
and
for
whatever
else.
I
don't
want
to
see
that
thing
boarded
up
for
two
years.
That's
unacceptable
and
human
nature
is
the
longer
time
you
have
the
longer
time
you
take.
G
G
G
People
took
action
into
their
own
hands
and
now
we're
dealing
with
it,
and
I
think
we
need
to
make
some
progress
on
this,
because
I
you
know,
I
can't
believe
that
any
of
you
sitting
here
is
going
to
want
to
see
those
plywood
boards
around
this
obelisk
for
two
years
and
like
anything
else
in
resolutions
or
anything
that
we
do,
if
that's
not
enough
time,
they
will
let
us
know-
and
we
can
do
an
amendment
to
this-
it's
not
the
end
of
the
world,
but
I
think
we
need
to
prioritize
the
obelisk
it's
important
and
it's
important
to
people
on
all
sides
of
this
issue,
and
you
know
I
I
think
we
ought
to
give
direction
through
this
resolution
that
this
is
something
that
we
want
to
have
addressed,
and
you
know,
if
you
all,
don't
think
it's
that
important-
that
we
can
wait
two
years,
then
there's
really
something
wrong
with
this
resolution
and
the
whole
intent
of
it,
because
it's
not
really
getting
at
the
issue.
G
Well
and
I'm
sorry
to
to
have
you
know,
offended
you
counselor
cassette
sanchez
that
wasn't
my
intent,
but
what
I'm?
What
my
points
are
is
I
just
want
to
get
across
that
this
is
important
to
a
whole
lot
of
people,
and
so
it's
not
the
end
of
the
world
to
put
six
months
here.
It
shows
what
this
group,
at
least
the
amendment
makers,
feel,
is
important
to
address
first
and
then,
if
it's
not
enough
time,
then
we
can
deal
with
that.
G
But
six
months
is
a
long
time
and
there's
so
much
to
to
discuss
in
this
whole
resolution,
not
to
say
any
of
it
isn't
important,
it's
all
important,
but
if
every
you
know,
I
think
we
need
to
establish
some
kind
of
sense
of
urgency
into
what
we
think
maybe
should
happen
first,
and
this
is
one
way
to
do
it,
and
so
those
are
my
comments
on
this.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
D
Okay,
thank
you.
Okay,
let's
go
back
to
the
committee
any
other
thoughts
or
suggestions
regarding
this
proposed
amendment.
A
C
I
would
just
echo
that
this
is
a
big
deal
and
I
don't
think
anybody's
suggesting
otherwise
and
to
counselor
cass
at
sanchez's
point
because
it's
a
big
deal.
We
want
to
make
sure
we
take
the
time
to
have
everybody
be
heard,
and
I
don't
think
anybody
I
don't.
You
know
I'd
like
this
to
be
resolved
as
quickly
as
possible.
I
don't
relish
looking
at
the
construction
of
the
barrier
around
that
for
two
years
either,
and
I
don't
think
anybody
who
sits
on
this
committee
will
want
that.
C
But
I
do
think
we
need
to
let
the
community
be
heard,
and
I
would
agree
with
the
amendment
makers
that
if
this
is
something
that
needs
to
be
addressed,
which
is
why
we
are
creating
this
committee
and
this
process
to
address
it,
but
we
also
have
to
allow
the
proper
time
and
we've
got,
and
this
it's
not
just
about
one
monument.
It's
about
how
we
tell
the
comprehensive
and
complex
history
of
our
community
in
a
fair
and.
D
Okay,
councilwoman
villarreal
did
you
have
any
comments
regarding
this
amendment.
D
Okay,
councilman
cassette
sanchez.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I'm,
first
of
all,
I'm
sorry
for
interrupting.
I
I
think
I've
been
frustrated
with
this
process
because
there
frequently
is
this
conversation.
E
I
sorry
there's
a
kid
screaming
in
the
back
over
here,
but
that,
if
you
disagree,
it's
that
you
don't
care
about
something
or
you're,
not
listening,
which
I
think
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
act
that
out
right
now
we
all
care
very
much.
Hence
the
fact
that
we
are
having
a
special
finance
meeting
specifically
about
this,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
address
that.
E
I
apologize
and
I
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
remember
that
we
are
all
sitting
here
trying
to
do
what
we
think
is
best
for
the
community
and
that
everybody
does
really
understand
what
the
weight
of
this
is.
I
think
council
romeroworth
summed
up.
You
know
my
thoughts
on
this
perfectly
well,
that
you
know,
because
it
is
so
important
for
me.
I
see
a
I
sorry.
It's
really
hard
to
concentrate
with
a
two-year-old
screaming
in
the
background.
E
You
know,
I
really
see
a
need
to
make
sure
that
the
time
and
the
energy
and
the
light
that
the
legwork
is
available
to
really
unpack
this,
because
this
is
not
just
what
looks
pretty
in
the
middle
of
our
plaza,
there's
a
lot
of
meaning
there,
and
I
think
it
is
important
that
we
take
the
time
to
unpack
it.
And
I
think
that
it
is
important
that
we
address
it.
But
I
do
have
concerns
of
putting
the
cart
before
the
horse
here.
D
Okay,
councilwoman
virel.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
I
actually
agree
with
this
language,
and
maybe
it
needs
to
be
tweaked
a
little
bit.
I
I
just
do
think
that
the
community,
it's
on
their
mind
about
the
obelesk,
and
I
think,
we'd,
have
to
start
off
with
a
pretty
long
process
to
understand
the
history
of
it.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
confusion
around
its
history,
so
I
think
that
could
actually
take
place
in
six
months
or
a
year
and
if
it
needed
to
extend.
I
just
think
that
there
is
a
need
to
focus
on
this.
F
What
what
confuses
me
about
the
language,
though
it
says,
propose
guidelines
and
make
recommendations
for
monuments,
remembrances
or
works
of
art.
It
sounds
like
in
general,
and
then
it
says,
beginning
with
the
monument
within
six
months.
Does
the
six
months
mean
that
we're
making
guidelines
for
overall
monuments,
remembrances
and
works
of
art,
or
are
we
talking
about
guidelines,
recommendations
specifically
for
the
obelesk?
F
So
I
don't
know
if
one
of
the
makers
could
clarify
that,
for
me.
D
Okay,
yeah
and
part
of
my
concern-
I
I
understand
I
agree.
I
think
we
do
need
to
probably
start
with
the
obelisk
but
to
say
to
pick
something
within
six
months
to
go
there.
I
think
this
is
a
little
more
complex
than
that
that
that's
my
concern
with
the
six
months.
If
we're
saying
that
within
six
months
we
want
this
committee
to
decide
what
goes
in
there.
I,
I
think,
that's
that's
kind
of
putting
you
know
I.
D
I
don't
know
that
that
is
fair
to
do
the
committee
to
do
the
committee
or
the
community,
but
I
do
think
it's
fair
to
ask
them
to
start,
maybe
with
that,
but
to
say
and
have
a
recommendation
in
six
months
of
what
you
we
put
there.
I
think
we
might
be
setting
ourselves
up
for
criticism,
but,
okay,
so
counselor
garcia.
Can
you
address
what
your
intent
was
with
that
now
that
you've
heard
the
discussion.
I
Yes,
happy
to
mr
chair,
so
the
intent
is
to
have
a
decision
in
regards
to
does
the
obelisk
get
re-established
or
does
it
do
we
does?
The
community
decision
to
take
it
down
is
that
the
guidance
is
not
to
determine
what
the
space
looks
like.
The
guidance
is
going
to
be
what
the
recommendation
is.
We
remove
it
or
we
put
it
back
up
and
that's
what
we're
asking
for
within
six
months.
I
So
I
maybe
we
can
clear
that
up
and
make
it
a
little
more
less
ambiguous,
so
to
speak,
but
the
intent
is
not
to
determine
what
the
future
of
the
location
is
going
to.
Look
like
it's
more
so
addressing
what
the
future
of
the
obelisk
is
going
to
be.
Should
it
go
or
should
it
stay
same
thing
with
the
vargas
statue?
Should
it
get
put
back
in
cathedral
park
or
does
it
get
removed
permanently
and
then,
if
it
does
that's
for
the
committee
to
determine
what
the
future
holds?
I
I
think
that's
why?
Potentially,
this
is
a
two-year
committee,
because
those
discussions
and
planning
are
going
to
take
a
long
time,
but
it
it
we
felt
six
months
was
sufficient
for
the
community
to
be
engaged.
All
stakeholders
be
convened
and,
and
six
months
is
plenty
of
time.
I'm
hearing
that
that
from
from
my
colleagues
that
that's
not
enough
time,
it
is
if
we
focus-
and
we
have
pinpointed
conversations
for
six
months,
we
can
have
sufficient
information
to
have
that
community.
That
committee
make
that
determination.
Okay,.
F
I
D
D
Okay,
councilwoman
lindell
do.
F
Yeah,
the
urgency
needs
to
be
stated
in
a
way,
but
the
way
it's
worded
now
makes
it
sound
like
we'll,
have
guidelines
and
recommendations
for
all
monuments,
remembrances
and
works
of
art
for
the
plaza,
and
so
I
I
think
if
there
was
a
way
to
to
massage
that
that
would
be
helpful
for
me.
Thank
you.
J
I
think
what
counselor
garcia
just
said.
That's
possibly
something
that
would
make
sense
to
me,
but
what's
on
page,
two
line
19
through
21
does
not
say
that.
So
I
think
that
I
wouldn't
support
this.
The
way
that
it
sits,
but
it
could
be
it
just
doesn't
say
what
counselor
garcia
just
said.
So
maybe
the
proposed
people
that
propose
this
amendment
would
like
to
work
on
this
and
bring
it
back,
but
for
now
this
certainly
doesn't
work
for
me.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
so
as
as
the
amendment
makers
think
about
how
to
work
on
this,
I
just
would
offer
that
realizing.
We
are
in
a
pandemic
and
I
think
it
is
slowing
many
things
down
and
it
will
slow
the
work
down
that
needs
to
be
done
by
this
community
by
this
committee.
C
Should
it
stay
or
should
it
go
without
knowing
what's
going
to
be
in
its
place
and
we
may
want.
You
know
four
things
again
to
tell
that
comprehensive
story,
and
so
there's
one
thing
in
the
middle
of
the
plaza
and
there's
two
other
things
in
other
places
that
help
you
know
and
and
there
and
there's
there's
some
tie
in
so
that
people
can
understand
the
comprehensively
our
complicated
history,
and
so
I
don't
think
you
can
make
that
decision
in
isolation.
D
Okay,
so
it
looks
like
there's
gonna,
possibly
be
more
work
done
on
this,
so
that
would
then
take
us
to
e
on
page
three,
which
was
proposed
to
be
struck
and
replaced
with
b.
So
we'll
just
see
what
comes
when
the
final
language
reaches
the
governing
body.
I
guess
so.
D
That
brings
us
to
h
on
page
three
articulate
ways
in
which
the
people
of
the
city
of
santa
fe,
past
and
present
can
find
common
ground
about
shared
histories
and,
most
importantly,
look
forward
to
a
more
and
then
strike
humane
and
it'll
read
to
a
more
compassionate
community,
with
full
participation
by
and
from
all,
and
then
add,
with
a
better
understanding
about
the
cultural
legacies
of
our
community
councilwoman
via
rael.
This
is
your
another
one
of
your
amendments.
I
believe
yes,
it's
just
language.
C
Can
you
say
that
again
yeah
with
a
I
want
to
get
rid
of
about
with
a
better
understanding
of
the
complexity.
D
Councilwoman
via
royale
that
works
for
me.
Okay,
any
other
comments
on
this
proposed
amendment.
D
No
okay,
so
then
that
brings
us
to
k
which
is
going
to
be,
provide
and
strike
the
word
regular
and
add
at
a
minimum
monthly,
written
updates
and
public
presentations
every
other
month
to
the
governing
body.
Regarding
the
committee's
progress
towards
completion
of
its
duties
and
responsibilities,
including,
but
not
limited
to
the
availability
of
histories,
the
committee
compiles
and
the
recommendations.
J
If
we
don't
even
I
mean
in
time
of
covid,
I
don't
know
if
they,
if,
if
for
sure,
they're
gonna
meet
every
month,
maybe
it's
every
other
week.
I
don't
know,
but
that's
a
pretty
big
commitment
for
a
committee,
the
size
of
what
we're
creating
to
meet
every
other
week
and
if
it's
just
meeting
once
a
month.
J
I
think
I
think
this
is
a
bit
onerous.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
too
have
issues
with
this.
I
do
like
the
original
language
which
says
provide
regular
and,
I
would
almost
say,
provide
regular
updates
to
the
governing
body.
Regarding
the
committee's
pro
progress,
I
think
we
may
not
understand
that
the
people
who
appear
before
the
governing
body,
that
is
a
big
deal
for
most
people
to
come
before
us
and
to
have
a
prepared
presentation.
I
don't
want
them
spending
so
much
time
preparing
the
presentations
that
they
don't
have
the
time
they
need
to
do
the
work
that
we're
asking
for.
C
We're
going
to
say
well,
why
didn't
you
do
this,
and
why
haven't
you
done
that?
And
when
will
you
get
to
x,
y
and
z,
and
I
really
think
we
need
to
trust
that
we
will
appoint
the
people
with
the
skills
and
the
backgrounds,
and
we
will
make
sure
that
we
have
the
community
voices
that
are
important
to
this
conversation
and
then
let
them
do
the
work.
Let
them
make
the
process
they
need
and
take
the
time
that
is
required
to
make
these
really
really
hard
choices.
C
D
Other
comments
from
the
committee
councilwoman
vihil
koppler.
You
were
one
of
the
supporters
or
sponsors
of
this
amendment.
Do
you
want
to
address
the
committee's
questions
or
concerns.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
I
I
do
agree
with
councillor
romero
worth
and
in
terms
of
the
committee
may
be
feeling
that
we're
putting
too
much
stress
on
them.
But
again,
I
think
we
do
have
to
trust
the
committee
to
get
the
work
done
to
proceed
to
to
know
that
they're
going
to
be
held
accountable.
G
G
So
I
believe
it's
important
and
I
know
the
discussion
with
the
other
counselors
who
shared
this
amendment
was
that
we
needed
to
make
sure
there's
accountability.
G
We
need
to
make
sure
that
the
public
gets
an
opportunity
to
hear
from
this
committee,
even
if
it's
just
15
minutes.
This
is
what
we're
doing
and
such
it's
a
check-in.
That's
what
it
is.
That's
what
we
do
with
midtown.
G
They
present
well
they're
supposed
to
present
us
monthly
reports,
but
they
do
they
do
do
that
and-
and
occasionally
I
don't
know
they
don't
appear
as
much
before
the
governing
body,
but
they
do
appear
occasionally
before
the
economic
development
advisory
committee
to
let
us
know
what's
going
on
and
it's
it's
just
a
check-in.
G
It's
accountability
and
I
think
we
need
that
for
the
public,
because
otherwise
they're
not
going
to
feel
see
or
hear
a
thing,
and
you
know
they
can
sign
on
to
primegov
and
see
if
there's
any
written
reports,
but
it's
very
hard
for
them
to
do
that.
G
Many
of
the
amendments
you'll
see
tonight
are
are,
for
that
reason
we
got
painted
with
the
same
brush
for
neglect
in
in
not
addressing
this
issue
when
it
should
have
been
addressed
back
in
the
day
and
now
I
think
we
need
to
step
it
up
a
bit.
So
those
are
my
comments.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
Garcia,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
think
councilor
v
hill
koppler
said
it
great
in
the
sense
that
this
is
done
for
the
purpose
of
transparency.
I
Not
everybody
is
going
to
have
the
opportunity
to
follow,
and
I
hope
that
these
meetings
will
be
transparent
in
the
fact
that
they
will
be
either
recorded
and
published
or
live
streamed
such
as
this
meeting,
but
for
those
that
don't
have
that
opportunity,
they
can
chime
in
every
other
month
for
a
city
council
meeting
and
get
an
update,
and
we
want
to
ensure
that
everybody
in
the
community
knows
what's
going
on.
What's
taking
place,
what
happened
in
the
past
and,
what's
potentially
on
the
the
future
agenda
for
this
committee,
it's
it's
a
check-in.
I
D
Okay
comments
from
the
finance
committee:
councilman
cassette
sanchez:
you
have
your
hand
up.
E
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair
yeah.
You
know
I
I
had
similar
concerns
with
as
council
romeroworth
expressed
when
we
saw
this
amendment
in
quality
of
life.
I
believe
and
as
the
meetings
will
be
public
and
I
believe,
streamed
on
youtube,
so
there
will
be
individual.
Are
opportunities
for
individuals
to
go
back,
see
what
was
happening
if
they
weren't
able
to
watch
them
live.
E
You
know
one
thing
that
I'm
not
sure.
Oh
my
session
just
expired.
E
So
sorry,
crime
go
strikes
again,
but
you
know
that
there
will
be
opportunity
through
this
committee,
for
public
engagement
and
for
public
comment,
and
so
I
I
think
in
terms
of
the
public
that
there
will
be
ample
opportunity
and
really
it's
looking
at
what
is
the
appropriate
timing
for
how
frequently
they're
coming
back
to
us,
and
I
I
want
to
make
sure
that
one
when
they
do
have
to
make
the
energy
to
come
and
present
to
us
that
there
is
items
to
report
if
we
are
going
to
be
taking
up
that
time
of
theirs,
that
that
there
are
items
to
report
and
also
that
there
is,
you
know,
a
substantial
amount
for
us
to
discuss.
E
So
I
still
think
that
this
is
too
frequent
monthly
written.
The
way
that
we
get
with
midtown
I'd
actually
be
completely
fine
with
that
could
simply
even
be
just
minutes
from
the
meetings
that
are
sent
over
to
us
if
they're
meeting
monthly.
But
I
do
think
that
counselor
lindell
makes
a
very
valid
point
that
it's
hard
to
tell
how
frequently
they
should
be
reporting
back
to
us.
E
If
we
don't
know
how
frequently
they're
meeting
so
again,
you
know
how
are
we,
you
know,
putting
the
cart
before
the
horse,
but
there's
been
some
decisions
made
before
other.
E
Rely
on
those
decisions
come
from,
so
I'm
I'm
still
not
happy
with
the
way
that
this
amendment
is
written.
I
do
think
that
it's
something
I
want
to
continue
to
look
at.
I
think
those
monthly
reports
are
important.
I
do
think
that
there
are
ample
ways
for
the
public
to
engage
and
stay
up
to
date.
On
this,
I
am
sure
that
our
local
newspapers
will
also
be
watching
this
and
be
reporting
on
it
as
well,
and
so
I
write
right
now
how
this
is
written.
I
am
not
in
favor
of
this
amendment.
D
Okay,
councilwoman
romero
worth
you
have
your
hand
up.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
I
would
agree
with
council
casa
sanchez
and
only
add
that
these
are
public
meetings.
So
there's
not
going
to
be
people
in
the
dark,
and
you
know
we're
we.
C
The
people
who
are
interested
in
knowing
how
things
are
progressing
will
be
watching
this
committee
very
carefully,
and
I
think
we
all
will
be
and
and
certainly
the
press
will
be
watching,
and
I
think
I
think
we
will
know
very
well
what's
happening,
so
I
would
rather
give
them
the
flexibility
to
report
to
us
on
r
regularly
as
they
see
fit.
F
Okay,
councilwoman
villarreal.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
think
as
written
it
doesn't
make
complete
sense
to
me
if
it
would
have
if
it
said,
provide
regular
updates
every
other
month
to
the
governing
body.
I'd
feel
more
comfortable
with
that,
so
that
could
be
an
update,
whether
it's
in
written
form
or
an
actual
presentation,
depending
on,
if
there's
substantial
information
to
share
with
us
at
that
point.
But
for
me
this
is
actually
for
us
and
the
public
to
hear
if
they
haven't
been
able
to
watch
the
meetings.
D
Okay
and
I
I
I
think
that
there
should
be
some
kind
of
at
some
point-
maybe
it's
not
every
other
month,
but
there
there
should
be
a
public
presentation,
but
maybe
every
other
month
is
two
one
too
many
and
then,
but
I.
What
I
don't
want
to
see
happen
is
that
the
committee
starts
going
and
then
it
just
kind
of
disappears
like
all
these
other
committees
and
we
we
don't
hear
from
them
again
or
so.
D
Maybe
there
is
some
more
language
that
can
be
worked
out
between
now
and
when
it
this
gets
to
the
governing
body,
so
that
there
is
because
yeah,
a
public
presentation
every
other
month,
maybe
a
little
too
much
to
put
on
the
committee.
But
I
think
there
should
be
public
presentations,
councilwoman
vlcoepler,
and
then
I
want
to
move
on
to
the
next.
G
Mr
chair,
I
I
just
want
to
to
remind
that.
I
I
don't
believe
I
mean
if,
if
any
of
these
amendments
don't
pass,
then
we're
looking
at
two
years,
where
we've
we've
only
gotten
monthly
written
updates,
the
council
doesn't
get
to
provide
input
on
the
direction
at
all
or
questions
or
things
that
our
constituents
may
bring
to
our
attention
or
just
as
an
elected
leader,
our
own
input.
G
We
don't
get
that
we
just
get
something
in
writing
and
in
two
years
comes
what
if
we
don't
like
it
so
to
speak,
we
are
in
charge
and
the
public
has.
Certainly
let
us
know
that
in
fact,
as
I
said
earlier,
we're
painted
with
the
same
brush,
and
so
we
need
to
have
opportunities,
not
just
watching
youtube
or
watching
a
meeting.
G
If
you
know
one
of
their
meetings,
we
need
to
have
a
dialogue,
because
we
can't
get
to
two
years
down
the
road
and
find
that
it's
not
something
we
can
live
with,
and
so
there
needs
to
be
dialogue
with
us
as
well.
We
can't
just
disassociate
ourselves
and
if
we
don't
make
changes
or
something
that
like
this
amendment
suggests,
we
have
no
say-so
and
we're
just
totally
taking
ourselves
out
of
this,
and
that's
not
right
and
that's
not
what
the
public
expects
of
us
and
they've
told
us
that.
D
Okay,
so
we
are
on
page
four
now
section
four
membership
officers
terms
an
amendment
proposed
by
councillor
garcia,
a
chart
committee
membership
nomination
review
panel,
a
committee
membership
nomination
review
panel
is
established
and
shall
consist
of
five
members
who
are
representative
of
the
ethnic
and
gender
demographics
of
the
city
of
santa
fe
and
the
surrounding
pueblo
communities.
The
governing
body
concerned.
Community
groups
and
the
public
at
large
shall
nominate
candidates
for
the
cn
cmnrp
nominations
shall
be
submitted
to
the
city
clerk
within
two
weeks
of
the
adoption
of
this
resolution.
D
D
The
review
panel
will
use
section
4b111
as
their
principle
guidance
available
to
them
in
the
same
way
that
it
is
the
principal
guidance
for
the
committee
applicants.
The
cmnrp
shall
submit
a
final
list
of
chart
membership
recommendations
to
the
mayor
no
later
than
three
weeks
from
the
close
of
chart,
membership
nominations.
D
Okay,
members
from
the
finance
committee.
F
Well,
I
I
support
this
option.
I
just
think
I
already
had
expressed
my
concern
about
having
just
the
chairs
make
the
selection
review
and
recommendations.
F
I
think
this
you
know
it
is
going
to
take
some
more
time.
This
review
panel
will
then
have
to
come
together
and
review
all
of
the
applications,
so
in
applications
I
mean
letters
of
interest,
so
I
guess
that
would
be.
The
only
thing
I
would
change
is
that
it
says
chart
committee
membership
nominations
will
be
reviewed,
but
it's
based
on
the
amendments,
I'm
considering
it
would
be
the
letters
of
interest
that
were
submitted.
D
Okay,
I.
C
Do
have
thoughts
on
this,
but
I'll
wait
till
we're
just
back
with
the
committee.
D
Okay,
counselor
garcia.
I
I
The
concern
that
is
being
spoken
very
loudly
by
community
members
is
that
this
proposed
chart
committee
has
not
only
been
established
behind
doors,
but
members
have
already
been
picked,
and
I
think
it's
pretty
evident
by
some
of
my
colleagues
comments
that
they
already
have
individuals
that
they
think
would
be
perfect
for
this,
and
we
need
to
make
the
space
for
them,
and
this
is
why
it's
critical.
We
have
an
independent
review
panel,
select
the
individuals
that
be
part
of
this
chart
process.
I
I
I
So
so,
as
I
mentioned,
this
is
something
that
will
ensure
that
the
process
of
selecting
these
individuals
is
diverse.
It
will
represent
the
the
mindset
and
culture
and
history
of
a
diverse
group
of
our
demographics.
I
think,
mr
taran,
your
the
amendment
you
read,
it
didn't
have
the
updates
that
were
made
so
there
are.
There
are
updates
in
regards
to
the
makeup
of
the
committee.
I
The
committee
would
be
made
up
of
five
members,
the
one
would
come
from
and
and
let
me
pull
it
up
I'll
read
to
you
the
way.
The
amendment
reads.
I
We
want
to
look
at
this
in
the
sense
that
we
are
selecting
a
body
that
is
going
to
be
developing
work.
That
is
going
to
be
hopefully
impacting
us
for
generations,
and
we
want
to
ensure
that
we
do
not
lose
any
ounce
of
credibility
that
can
promote
towards
progress
on
this
work,
and
that's
why
I've
proposed
selecting
the
group
in
this
manner.
I
That's
why
I've
proposed
selecting
the
makeup
of
it
is
in
this
matter,
because
it
allows
for
everybody
to
have
a
say-so
and
selecting
this
group,
and
I
think
it
will
allow
for
progress
to
happen,
because
if
it
is
selected
by
directly
us
the
governing
body
members
or
if
it
is
selected
by
the
chairs
or
if
it
is
solely
selected
by
the
mayor,
we're
going
to
lose
credibility,
and
I
completely
understand
the
process.
It's
it's
been
brought
up
to
me
time
and
time
again.
I
I
understand
our
process
that
this
review
panel
is
not
going
to
select
folks.
They
are
going
to
make
their
recommendation
to
the
mayor.
Who
has
the
ultimate
authority
to
appoint
these
individuals
to
this
committee,
then
those
appointment
recommendations
then
go
to
us
to
the
governing
body
to
approve
them.
I
D
Okay
comments
from
the
committee
or
specific
questions
for
counselor
garcia.
C
C
If
the
resolution
dictates
the
skills
that
we
want
to
include
in
this
committee-
and
it
says
the
types
of
people
who
represent
the
voices
that
we
want
to
be
at
the
table
and
it's
inclusive,
I
think
that
the
public
can
be
assured
that
what
comes
forward
is
is
going
to
be
something
we
can
all
be
proud
of,
and
it
won't
be
behind
closed
doors
and
it's
not
been
already
picked
and
it
will
be
transparent
because
we've
said
we
want
particular
people
with
particular
backgrounds
and
particular
skills,
and
those
are
the
people
that
are
going
to
be
slaughtered
from
those
who
are
interested
in
serving
on
what
is
a
very
difficult
assignment.
E
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair,
so
correct
me:
if
I'm
wrong
are
the
are
the
applications?
If
somebody
applies
for
this,
that
will
be
public
that'll,
be
a
public
document.
Correct
a
letter
of
interest
then
becomes
a
public
document.
E
Okay,
thank
you.
I
I
wanted
to
just
confirm
that
you
know
I
also
am
struggling
with
this
one.
I
guess
one
of
my
questions
is
that
if
it's
to
remove
the
perception
that
there
are
strings
being
pulled
from
city
hall,
but
but
but
this
election
committee
is
established
by
city
hall,
I
think
I
think
that
that
the
logic
there
is
is
losing
me,
and
perhaps
it's
also
you
know
the.
E
You
know
the
feeling,
as
counselor
romeroworth
expressed,
that
you
know
we're
really
laying
this
out.
It's
it's
interesting
because
there's
also
been
a
lot
of
discussion
in
previous
committees.
Maybe
this
is
why
I'm
getting
a
little
caught
off
guard
about
counselors,
feeling,
like
they're,
being
pulled
out
of
the
process
and
wanting
to
have
more
ability
to
to
discuss.
So
I
guess
this.
This
feels
to
me
that
it
fully
does
pull
counselors
out
of
the
process
of
taking
a
look
at
who
is
applying.
F
E
J
Thank
you
chair.
I
think
this
adds
up
to
an
additional
six
weeks
of
time,
which
is
quite
a
bit
counselor
garcia
says
no
so
chair.
Would
you
allow
counselor
garcia
to
say
how
much
extra
time
it
does
take.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
councillor
lindell
for
asking
that
question.
I
forgot
to
mention
that
in
my
comments
this
only
adds
one
week
to
the
process
so
for
us
to
say
that
adding
an
additional
week
would
slow
down
the
process
when
it
would
greatly
add
value
to
the
process,
and
it
is
actually
a
process
that,
like
I
said,
is
the
best
practice
throughout
these
type
of
commissions
and
committees
throughout
the
entire
country.
If
not
the
world,
it's
worth
it
to
us.
J
I
J
It
would
I
appreciate
that
the
other
problem
that
I
see
with
this
is.
J
J
So
I
think
that
and
then
once
this
group
makes
their
recommendations,
then
it's
the
mayor
that
appoints
the
committee.
So
I
I
don't
have
a
great
level
of
comfort
with
this.
I
don't
think
that
I
don't
really
think
that
this
advances
us
any
further
than
what
was
originally
in
the
amendment
making
a
committee
to
appoint
the
committee.
J
It
does
remove
the
governing
body
and
it
makes
it
such
that
the
mayor
makes
both
appointments.
So
those
are
my
thoughts
chair.
It's
not
an
amendment
at
this
point
that
I
would
be
able
to
support.
D
Okay,
councilwoman
v
hill
koppler.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
I
I
like
the
the
purpose
behind
this
amendment.
I
think
what
it
does
and
I
and
I
like
to
say
that
to
councillor
lindell,
I
do
think
it
advances
us
because
it
gives
more
credibility
to
the
process
and
it
may
not
advance
us
in
time.
Maybe
we
lose
a
week
as
counselor
garcia
mentioned,
but
it
advances
the
credibility
of
the
the
committee
and
the
appointment
process
itself.
G
For
example,
disagree.
You
know
the
thing
about
yeah.
I
know
you
disagree
with
I'll
keep
talking
so
the
thing
the
thing
it
does
is,
if
you
look
at
the
counterpart
the
language
now
the
mayor
appoints
the
three
people
to
to
make
the
decision
with
him.
G
So
that's
not
much
that
doesn't
add
a
lot
of
credibility,
number
one.
It
leaves
four
counselors,
no
four,
five,
six,
seven,
five
counselors
out
of
the
process
completely
and
that
I
don't
like
because
you
know
what
about
those
strings,
I'm
not
so
sure
about
that,
and
so,
with
this
independent
review,
they
they
have
the
list
of
particular
backgrounds
and
the
number
of
people
that
serves
as
a
guidebook
and
and
determining
qualifications,
and
they
come
up
with
it
sure
they
they
sent
it
to
the
mayor.
G
But
but
at
least
the
review
and
the
names
have
has
been
done
by
an
independent
panel
as
opposed
to,
and
then
all
of
us
essentially
are
out
of
the
picture.
But
to
pick
and
choose
three
people
on
this
block
and
the
governing
body
to
do
this
as
well.
We
already
have
emails.
We
already
have
public
comment
about
that,
and
it
doesn't
bode
well
for
credibility,
and
I
think
this
gives
credibility.
G
This
amendment
and
the
and
seeing
it
in
action
would
give
credibility
to
not
just
the
process
but
to
all
of
us
and
to
the
mayor,
because
we
wouldn't
have
a
heavy
hand,
or
at
least
three
of
us
wouldn't
have
a
heavy
hand.
So
I
think
we
we
ought
to
give
it
a
chance,
and
I
and
I
do
like
the
idea
that
the
I
can't
remember
if
it
was
greensboro
or
did
you
say
albuquerque,
I
don't
know
which
one
councilor
garcia,
that
that
did
use
an
independent
body.
I
think
that's
the
way
to
go.
D
Okay,
councilwoman
via
rael
did
you
want
to
comment
before
we
try
to
move
on.
F
No,
I
think,
as
I
said
before,
I
do
think
this
is
a
method
that
helps
to
make
for
a
less
political
process
for
selection
and
may
even
remove
political
pressure
from
the
committee
chairs
for
in
making
decisions,
because
this
is
such
a
an
emotional
issue
anyway.
So
that's
why
I
I
feel
like
this
independent
review
panel
could
help
and
it
and
it
worked
for
albuquerque
nothing's
perfect.
I
mean
no
matter
what
we
won't
make
everybody
happy.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
I
don't
want
to
intervene
on
the
pros
and
cons
I
did
since
councillor
garcia
mentioned
that
I
had
spoken
about
the
greensboro
commission.
K
I
wanted
to
clarify
how
the
greensboro
commission
actually
worked,
and
I
didn't
actually
speak
about
it,
particularly
favorably.
I
just
reported
that
there
were
a
lot
of
different
truth
and
reconciliation
experiences
around
the
country.
What's
interesting
about
the
greensboro
experience
is
that
it
wasn't
done
by
the
city
government
at
all.
K
It
voted
six
to
three
to
oppose
the
process
and
I
don't
make
that
point
to
say
that
they
did
it
wrong
and
we're
gonna.
Do
it
right
or
there
is
a
right
or
a
wrong
way
only
that
these
are
very
very
complicated
selection
issues
and
they're
always
pros
and
cons
on
many
different
sides.
You
there
is,
as
has
been
said,
no
perfect
way
to
do
this,
and
people
should
be
looking
for
the
most
advantageous
process
that
will
garner
the
best
people
to
serve
people
to
serve
on
the
committee.
K
Who
will
do
the
best
job?
So
I
I
don't.
I
don't
I'm
not
speaking
to
the
the
merits
of
the
proposal,
one
way
or
the
other.
I
just
wanted
to
provide
a
little
more
information
about
the
greensboro
selection
process.
It
was
actually
not
done
by
the
city
government
whatsoever,
nor
sanctioned
by
the
city
government
and
in
fact,
many
people
think
that
that
truth
and
reconciliation
commission,
after
all
of
its
work,
came
up
fairly,
unsuccessfully,
just
a
fact.
K
A
series
of
facts
to
put
into
the
conversation
without
debating
merits
whatsoever.
D
Okay
and
in
order
to
move
on
my
only
comment
would
be
is
I
tend
to
agree
with
councilwoman
romero
worth
when
you
look
at
the?
How
specific
the
resolution
is
on
the
makeup
of
the
chart
committee.
I
think
that's
something
that
I
certainly
will
take
into
consideration
before.
Finally,
approving
this
at
the
governing
body
I
mean,
and
given
that
maybe
we
don't
even
need
the
three
chairs
of
the
council
standing
committees
to
make
the
appointments
either,
because
again,
how
narrowly
and
how
defined
the
makeup
of
the
committee
is.
D
Okay,
so
that
brings
us
to
b
membership
chart
committee
membership
shall
include-
and
here
this
is
going
to
depend
on
what
we
do
on
page
five
with
the
makeup
of
the
membership,
it
could
either
include
21,
19,
7
or
17
members.
D
The
interested
members
and
strike
are
not
required
and
put
shall
be
residents
of
the
city
of
santa
fe,
santa
fe,
county
or
northern
new
mexico.
Then
there's
a
minor
strike
the
and
then
it
says,
chart
committee
and
then
strike
the
members.
It
says
interested
persons
shall
and
then
strike
be
nominated
by
governing
body.
Members
concerned
community
groups
and
the
public
at
large.
D
She
says
the
amendment
would
say
interested
persons
shall
submit
letters
of
interest
about
why
they
would
like
to
serve
and
then
strike
nominations
and
replace
with
letters
of
interest
shall
be
submitted
to
the
city
clerk
within
strike.
Two
and
add
three
weeks
of
the
adoption
of
this
resolution,
and
then
the
three
chairs
of
the
city,
council,
standing
committees
and
the
mayor
shall
review
and
evaluate
the
nominations.
D
At
least
eight
members
of
the
committee
shall
be
persons
nominated
by
members
of
the
governing
body
and
then
strike
the
mayor
shall
appoint
the
chair
or
co-chairs,
and
the
full
membership
of
the
chart
committee
shall
elect
a
chair
and
vice
chair.
The
chart
committee
shall
be
comprised
of
fallen
members,
so
we'll
stop
there.
One
of
my
one
of
these
amendments
was
mine,
and
that
would
be
the
at
least
eight
members
of
the
committee
shall
be
persons
nominated
by
members
of
the
governing
body.
D
Councilwoman
via
rael
has
added
language
that
says
with
input
from
the
city
council,
and
so
maybe
we're
kind
of
saying
the
same
thing
there
and
so
councilwoman
via
rael.
What
are
your
thoughts?
I
just.
F
Wanted
to
clarify
that
language
with
input
from
the
city
council,
I
added
in
case
none
of
the
amendments,
whether
it's
the
independent
review
panel
passes
or
the
eight,
the
three
chairs
of
the
council's
standing
committees
doesn't
pass.
That
was
like
backup
language
in
case
neither
of
those
passed,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
somehow
we
had
input
from
city
council
at
some
point.
F
So
that's
probably
a
placeholder.
Mr.
D
Cherry
yes,.
C
I
so
the
the
paragraph
b
that
you
just
read,
there's
quite
a
bit
to
unpack.
So
if
we
could
just
stick
with
this
one
little
piece,
I
actually
think
that
counselor
via
rails
language
here
that
says
the
mayor
with
input
from
the
city
council,
shall
recon
find
shall
recommend
a
final
list
of
nominees
to
the
governing
body
for
approval.
C
I
actually
think
that
is
probably
the
best
way
to
go,
rather
than
have
a
committee
appoint
the
committee
and
if
you
know
if,
if
people
are
gonna
feel
left
out,
if
the
three
standing
committee
chairs
were
chosen
to
make
these
selections,
I
think
if
we
say
from
input
from
the
city
council
I
mean
we
can.
C
C
Do
you
know
of
anybody
who
would
be
interested
in
serving?
Are
you
interested
in
serving?
If
you
are
here's,
you
know
what
you
need
to
do.
Here's
the
letter.
You
have
to
submit
here's
all
the
things
that
you
have
to
do,
and
I
think
you
know
honestly,
we
should
all
probably
be
reaching
out
to
people.
We
know
in
the
community
and
asking
them
if
of
their
interest
and
and
and
asking
them
for
their
contacts
and
getting
people
to
apply.
So
I
actually
find
counselor
via
real's
language.
C
The
mayor
with
input
from
the
city
council
might
might
be
the
best
way
to
go
in
terms
of
how
we
find
the
people
that
then
the
mayor
would
would
figure
out
how
to
appoint,
and
then
the
council
can
also.
You
know
argue
for
why
certain
people
ought
to
be
put
on
or
not
put
on,
and
you
know,
then
everybody
has
the
same
chance.
I
guess.
D
Okay
and
councilwoman
v
hill
koppler
was
a
co-sponsor
of
this
amendment
with
me.
So
I'd
like
to
call
on
her
regarding
the
eight
members
of
the
committee
shall
be
persons
nominated
by
members
of
the
governing
body.
Councilwoman
v
hill
copler.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
feel
real
strongly
that
this
council
needs
to
have
a
more
definite
say
in
who
is
on
this
committee.
There's
there's
been
no
other
issue
quite
like
this,
and
it's
not
just
somebody
who's
going
to
be
on
one
of
our
regular
committees
that
you
know
we
have
a
job
to
do.
This
is
a
lot
of
more
charged
historical,
cultural,
cultural
heritage.
G
Very
you
know
emotional
issue
and,
and
and
the
the
roots
go
deep
for
a
lot
of
these
issues
and
I'm
not
so
sure
that
I
would
feel
comfortable
with
just
you
know,
input
from
the
city
council,
because
I'm
not
ashamed
to
say
my
input
goes
nowhere
and
it's
by
design,
and
I
am
more,
I
feel
more
strongly
about
this
group
than
I
have
for
a
long
time
because
of
my
traditions
because
of
my
heritage,
because
of
growing
up
here
and
all
of
my
relatives
and
people
before
me,
my
friends,
the
ceremonies
and
such
that
that
I
took
part
in
formally
and
informally
and
I'm
not
willing
to
just
say.
G
G
You
know
just
let
anybody
you
know,
let
let's
see,
let's
throw
the
deck
up
of
cards
and,
let's
see
who
ends
up
with
the
17
18
19
23
positions
is,
if
that's
just
not
good
enough,
and
I
think
we
all
can
be
trusted
to
put
forth
a
name
that
that
we
feel
just
as
strongly
about.
As
I
have
spoken
about
my
my
perception
of
this.
G
So
I
I
just
think
it's
time
to
take
a
stand
and-
and
we
are
being
held
accountable,
we're
being
watched
by
our
community
and
we're
here
to
do
the
job
that
we
were
elected
to
do
and-
and
I
I
think
this
committee
success
is
important
and
it's
going
to
depend
on
us
and
if
it
fails,
we're
still
going
to
be
there
and
be
held
accountable
by
our
constituents
and
the
public
in
general
and
we're
going
to
be
held
accountable
if
it.
If
it
it
succeeds.
J
Thank
you.
I
hear
what
you're
saying
counselor
v
hill
copler,
but
let's
just
rewind
for
a
second.
J
And
I
I
I
understand
that
completely,
but
in
supporting
the
formation
of
the
committee
to
appoint
the
committee,
the
governing
body.
The
way
I
understand
this
and
the
way
I
see
it,
the
governing
body
has
would
have
very,
very
very
little
input
and
the
committee
to
form
the
committee
would
make
nominations
and
then
it
would
be
the
mayor.
I
really
don't
see
how
the
governing
body
fits
in
to
that
process.
J
I
am
not
opposed
at
all
to
members
of
the
governing
body
having
the
ability
to
select
a
member
or
making
the
nomination
of
a
member,
and
I
hear
what
you're
saying
that
you
feel
like
it's
important
for
the
governing
body
to
have
that
place.
But
I
I
really
am
unclear
how
the
governing
body
has
any
place.
D
G
Thank
you,
council
lindell,
the
the
the
chart
I
mean,
the
the
nomination
committee
would
still
have
to
follow
the
resolution
in
terms
of
what
kinds
of
people
would
be
on
on
the
committee
in
terms
of
the
background,
and
you
know
how
it's
all
laid
out
their
qualifications
as
it's
laid
out
in
the
resolution.
G
If
one,
if
the
eight
person
council
nominated
people
are
still
in
the
resolution,
they
would
have
to
follow
that
and
and
and
have
that,
be
where
they
either
start
or
make
sure
they
include.
Now
I'd
have
to
go
back
and
look
at
the
language
counselor,
garcia
has
developed
and
by
the
way
the
language
that
he's
developed
is
in
a
separate
amendment.
It's
not
clearly
written
in
this
color
coded
resolution.
You
probably
figured
that
out
and
I
think
he
said
that.
G
But
but
if
there
needs
to
be
some
tweaking
there,
then
then
I
I
would
ask
counselor
garcia
to
help
tweak
it
to
incorporate
that.
In
other
words,
if
it's
disallowed,
but
I
think
that
the
committee
would
have
to
the
nomination
committee
would
have
to
follow
the
resolution
in
terms
of
the
membership
requirements.
J
Okay,
yeah,
I
think
I
think,
there's
a
lack
of
clarity
with
that,
but
I
don't
have
particularly
I'm
I'm
not
opposed.
Additionally,
I'm
not
opposed
to
the
language
that
counselor
via
real
proposed
with
this.
So
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
Thank
you,
chair,
okay,
councilwoman,
cassette
sanchez.
E
Thank
you,
mr
terry.
I
had
the
similar
concerns
of
counselor
lindell
and,
as
I
mentioned
before,
that
that
these
these
two
conversations
seem
to
be,
in
contrast
with
each
other
about
the
committee
to
appoint
the
committee
and
then
the
counselors
having
ample
input.
You
know
I
do.
I
do
think
it
is
important
that
that
counselors
have
the
opportunity
to
weigh
in
here.
E
And
that
that
is
done
in
a
way.
That
is,
that
makes
sure
that
we,
that
those
opinions
are
listened
to
and
represented.
We
are
elected
to
represent
our
districts,
and
I
do
think
that
it
is
important
that
we
that
we
are
able
to
do
that
in
this
process
and
in
this
committee,
as
it
has
been
such
an
important
piece
of
the
community.
E
You
know
counselor
counselor
battery
alex.
You
mentioned
it's
kind
of
like
a
catch-all
language,
you
know
and
as
almost
like
a
like
we're
doing,
like
nesting
dolls
with
our
amendments,
but
I
I
feel
like
identifying
a
process
for
what
that
means
feels
important
to
me
and
how,
whether
that's
in
resolution
or
is
something
that
we
discuss.
I
do
think
it
is
important
that
that
is
a
process
that
is
established
and
recognized
whatever
the
case
may
be
the
one
place
I
start
to
jump
into
some
concerns
with
the
eight.
E
The
eight
individuals
that
are
nominated
by
the
governing
body
is
we've
also
specified,
as
we've
mentioned,
before
very
specific
individuals,
types
of
individuals
experience
that
we
want
to
have
included,
and
I'm
I
think
that
in
theory
and
in
process
those
things
I'm
not
sure
how
they're
going
to
add
up.
So
if
we
are
all
nominating
x
person-
and
you
know,
we
don't
have
those
many
slots
and
we're
trying
to
decrease
the
number
of
slots
that
we
have
potentially
with
some
of
these
amendments,
that's
where
the
actual
you
know
rubber
meeting.
E
The
road
piece
of
this
amendment
is
something
that
I'm
really
stuck
on
so
in
the
sense
of
counselor
materials
amendment
giving
us
some
more
flexibility
to
really
figure
out
how
this
works.
E
I
like
that,
but
I
I
would
maybe
like
some
more
specifications
than
just
the
general
catch-all,
so
I
apologize
it's
not
a
not
necessarily
a
very
helpful
comment
that
has
a
solution,
but
but
those
are
my
concerns
about
some
of
the
things
that
are
proposed
here
right
now,
but
I
do
think
that
it's
crucial
that
we
figure
out
how
governing
body
is
able
to
play
the
role
that
we
have
been
elected
to
do,
which
is
to
represent
our
community
and
and
to
make
sure
that
voices
are
heard.
So
thank
you.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Mr
chair,
can
you
help
me
understand
the
at
least
eight
members
of
the
committee
shall
be
persons
nominated
by
members
of
the
governing
body
so.
D
That
my
that
was
that
was
my
original
intent
like
if
I
knew
somebody
like,
for
example,
that
represented
hispanic
civic
group
union
protectiva,
for
example.
I
would
like
to
forward
that
person's
name
from
that
area.
D
That
was
but
but
then
counselor
counselor
endow
made
a
good
point
at
one
of
our
previous
committee
meetings,
where
just
because
they're
nominated
doesn't
mean
that
they
were
picked.
So
that's
where
I
kind
of
when
she
started
talking
and
putting
that
forward.
I
was
like
yeah,
that's
right
that
doesn't
actually
get
me
what
I
want
wanted
it
originally
was
with.
Like
I
said.
If
I
know
somebody
or
maybe
it's
not
that
group,
maybe
there's
I-
I
have
a
spiritual
religious
person
that
I
would
like
the
the
mayor
to
consider
appointing.
C
But
then,
but
there's
no
guarantee
that
that
each
member's
nomination
will
be
put
on
the
committee.
So
you
could
have
let's
say
three
counselors
who
have?
Who,
who
make
nominations
and
the
eight
as
long
as
their
members,
as
long
as
they
were
nominated
by
the
governing
body,
doesn't
mean
that
each
member
that
that
that
the
nominations
are
spread.
One
per
counselor
right.
C
I
think
that's
all
of
our
responsibility
and
I
think
we
should
all
do
that.
What
the
thing
I
also
worry
about
is
that
when
you,
so
we
get
this
pool
of
applicants,
we
find
these
people
who
who
who
are
gonna,
fill
all
the
slots.
C
Part
of
picking
a
group
to
do
this
work
is
understanding
how
they're
gonna
work,
how
their
strengths
are.
Gonna
work
together
right,
so
you
may
have
you
know
one
type
of
person
with
this
background,
but
it'd
be
great
to
have
you
know
this
other
background,
and
and
so
how
do
they
blend,
and
I
think
counselor
cassette
sanchez
was
also
making.
C
So
I
I
have
to
say
I
I
think
I
again
I'm
I'll.
Just
repeat
I
like
the
with
input
from
the
city
council
and
I
think
we
should
all
be
putting
forward
names
of
people
and
then
and
then
you
know,
it'll
be
incumbent
on
those
people
to
you
know
if
they're
interested
put
forth
their
resumes
and
and
again
the
the
resolution
will
dictate
that
we
have
the
voices
that
we
think
should
be
around
the
table
and
the
skill
sets
that
we
think
are
needed
in
order
to
do
the
work.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
just
want
to
remind
you
all
I
put
that
language
in
as
a
placeholder
in
case
we
could
not
come
to
an
agreement
about
the
process
of
selection.
So
that's
where
it's
at
in
terms
of
the
input
with
the
city
council,
the
eight
members
of
the
committee
shall
be
nominated.
F
I
don't
support
it
because
again
that
doesn't
guarantee
that
they'll
make
the
committee
and
then
it
conflicts
with
the
independent
review
process,
the
the
independent
review
panel
that
would
contradict
or
it
wouldn't
actually
fit.
So
I
think
we
just
have
to
be
cognizant
of
that,
and
I
think
that
came
in
after
I
mean
before
the
independent
review
panel
idea,
so
I
wouldn't
support
it
right
now.
F
I
just
think
the
nominations.
We
could
make
nominations
now,
but
that
doesn't
mean
again
that
they'll
be
picked,
so
I
just
want
to
make
that
point
again.
D
Okay,
councilman
romero
worth
you
still
have
your
hand
up.
C
Yeah-
and
I
guess
this
this
yeah,
I'm
just
gonna-
let
it
go.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
D
D
C
Shall
be
residents
of
the
city
of
santa
fe,
santa
fe,
county
or
northern
new
mexico?
So
if
we
have
somebody
with
a
skill
set
at
the
university
of
new
mexico,
where
they
have
good
chicano
studies,
programs
and
good
history,
programs
and
good
public
policy
programs,
we're
precluding
them
from
membership?
C
F
Way,
I
see
it,
we
have
so
many
specif
specificities
of
what
we
want
to
see
in
terms
of
the
composition
of
membership
that
I
think
we
have
enough
people
in
this
region
area
to
be
able
to
cover
that,
and
you
know,
doesn't
mean
that
somebody
from
unm
and
have
some
kind
of
expertise
can't
come
and
speak
to
the
committee.
F
I
just
think
we
need
to
hone
in
on
where
we're
talking
about.
I
mean
before
I
just
said:
they're
not
required
to
be
residents
of
the
city
of
santa
fe,
but
I
think
in
this
case,
considering
that
again
I
was
talking
about
the
region,
at
least
in
my
view,
we're
really
kind
of
looking
at
people
that
live
in
the
city
or
the
county
or
northern
new.
C
Mexico-
and
I
guess
I
would
argue-
that
that's
kind
of
limiting
that
we're
sort
of
maybe
keeping
somebody
who
might
be
really
valuable
in
terms
of
skill
set
to
the
work
of
this
committee,
we're
precluding
them
right
out
of
the
gate
so
that
that's
my
issue
with
that
language.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
also
do
have
a
concern
with
with
the
northern
new
mexico
qualification,
because
that
means
somebody
from
albuquerque
would
be
disqualified
or
they're
like
an
hour
away,
but
somebody
from
you
know
chama
would
still
fit
the
the
bill
yeah.
I
think
it's
hard.
I
I
I
might
feel
more
comfortable
with
with
just
saying
new
mexico
resident
you
know
and
and
putting
it
statewide,
because
again
we
very
well
may
have
somebody
who
is
from
santa
fe
living
in
albuquerque
right
now.
E
We
know
that
we
have
a
a
lot
of
those
individuals,
considering
other
conversations
that
we've
had
about
housing
recently.
That
might
be,
you
know,
working
at
the
university.
So
would
you
be
open
to
that?
Sponsor.
F
Yeah,
I
mean,
I
think
we
should
state
interested
members
shall
be
residents
of
city,
santa
fe,
santa
fe,
county
or
new
mexico.
I
mean
that's
fine
with
me
it
just
the
way
it
was
worded
before
basically
said
that
the
members
are
not
required
to
be
residents
of
the
city
of
santa
fe
and
we
brought
up
issues
with
that,
because
then
that
that
could
then
open
it
up
to
be
anyone
even
outside
of
new
mexico,
and
that's,
I
don't
think
our
intention
at
least
not
mine,.
E
Okay,
so
I
I
would,
I
would
propose
making
that
change.
To
include
this
to
say.
Would
you
say
santa
fe
count
earth
shall
be
residents
of
the
city
of
santa
fe,
santa
fe,
county
or
new
mexico,
or
if
we
just
want
to
shorten
it,
we
could
say
shall
be
residents
of
new
mexico,
because
all
those
are
included.
C
Tax
purposes,
mr
chair,
yes
again,
I
I
would
go
back
to
an
example.
I
think
I
use
in
another
committee,
which
is
what
happens
if
we
have
somebody
who
was
a
professional
with
the
native
american
museum
in
washington
dc
or
with
the
smithsonian
museum
system,
and
they
bring
to
us
a
skill
set
in
how
you
make
the
presentation
of
history
accessible
to
the
public
and
they
are
retired
to
new
mexico.
But
let's
I
mean
I
don't
know
how
much
time
they
spend
here.
C
F
F
That's
to
me
is
how
we're
narrowing
it,
because
if
it's
up
to
me,
I
wouldn't
have
put
in
this
kind
of
language,
that's
so
specific
that
it
it
has
certain
criteria
and
expertise
sure,
but
that
to
me
is
more
limiting
that's
why
I
think
it
still
should
be
people
that
are
here
residents
of,
if
you
want
to
say
new
mexico,
that's
fine,
but
I
really
do
think
we
have
to
be
more
specific
about
the
fact
that
we're
trying
to
hone
in
on
people
that
are
here
that
have
expertise.
F
F
D
Okay,
councilman
cassette
sanchez
used
to
have
your
hand
up.
D
Okay,
councilwoman
lindell
did
you
have
any
comments
regarding
this
amendment
yeah.
J
I
I
was
most
comfortable
with
just
saying
new
mexico
that
that
seems
like
a
you
know,
we
can
beat
this
to
death,
but
that
all
that
ought
to
do
it.
D
D
C
I
guess
the
the
alternative
question
is:
what
are
we
afraid
of
that
for
something
that
we
think
that
we're
going
to
appoint
a
bunch
of
people
from?
I
don't
know
boston
to
sit
on
this
committee.
I
mean
really,
I
think,
we're
gonna
we're
gonna,
appoint
people
who
have
the
relevant
backgrounds
we're
looking
for.
I
just
I
don't
know
why
we're
I
don't
know
what
we're
trying
to
protect
against.
I
guess.
D
Okay,
well,
let's
move
on
the
so
the
rest
of
the
the
language
that
follows.
This
is
the
member
striked
and
then,
instead,
interested
persons
shall
and
then
strike
be
nominated
by
governing
body.
Members
concerned
community
groups
and
the
public
at
large.
Again
what
we
do
with
that
is
going
to
depend
on
the
other
amendments
that
we
already
talked
about,
and
then
it
says,
submit
letters
of
interest
about
why
they
would
like
to
serve
and
strike
nominations.
D
F
F
Yes
and
in
some
cases
we
require
a
resume,
but
I
don't
think
in
this
case
we
need
a
resume
per
se.
I
mean
it's
not
required.
I
don't
think
it
should
be
required,
but
I
did
change
it
to
instead
of
nominations,
sure
people
give
us
nominations
and
ideas
all
the
time,
but
that
person,
the
interested
person
has
to
submit
a
letter
of
interest
to
say
why
they
want
to
serve
right.
C
Worth
and
I
would
completely
disagree
that
we
need
resume,
we
do
need
resumes
because
again,
it's
not
just
the
person's
cultural
background.
We're
interested
we're
interested
in
their
life
experience.
We're
interested
in
the
skill
sets
that
they
bring.
So
so,
I
would
say
yeah
you
need
a
resume
and
we
want
to
know
you
know
are,
is
your
background
legal?
Is
it
academic?
Is
it
historic?
Is
it
you
know?
F
We
did,
I
think,
that's
fine.
You
know,
I
think
it's
a
minimum
of
a
letter
of
interest
of
people
telling
us
why
they
want
to
serve
resumes
to
me.
You
know
someone
could
put.
F
I
guess,
I'm
fine
with
resumes
as
long
as
we
don't
scrutinize
the
formatting
I
mean
someone
could
actually
put
a
resume
just
in
the
body
of
an
email
and
just
list
things
that
they
want
to
that.
They
want
to
express
about
the
things
they
think
are
important,
either
to
share
with
us
or
the
public.
So
I'm,
okay
with
that.
I
just
I
just
wanted
a
minimum
of
at
least
a
letter
of
interest
to
say
why
they
want
to
serve.
C
D
Yeah,
that's
I
don't
I
don't
know
I
mean
to
me.
I
would
think
if
you
really
wanted
to
be
on
this
committee
and
you
fit,
you
thought
you
fit
into
one
of
these
categories
or
expertise
that
we're
looking
for.
You
would
include
your
resume
as
part
of
your
letter
of
interest,
but
if
you're
a
representative
from
a
hispanic
or
cultural
civic
group,
I
don't
know
that
you
need
your
your
resume
for
something
like
that.
So.
F
Mr
chair,
all
I
want
to
do
is
make
sure
we
steer
away
from
just
saying
nominations
and
that
we
just
accept
someone
sending
us
an
email,
saying,
oh,
I
think
so
and
so
would
be
good
and
then
that
person
just
gets
into
the
mix.
No,
so
I
think
jessie
gien.
If
you
could
just
explain
in
past
resolutions
if
we
had
to
specify
the
process
of
what
they
needed
to
do
to
apply.
H
Mr
chair
counselors
I'd
have
to
go
back
and
look
at,
for
example,
the
women's
commission.
I
don't
in
our
procedural
rules
for
committees,
there's
nothing
that
talks
about
resolutions
or
resumes
which
I
just
looked
at,
but
that
has
been
standard
practice,
but
it's
not
specified
anywhere.
I
think
that's
just
how
we
determine
if
they're
qualified
to
serve
on
that
committee
or
not.
D
Okay,
any
other
comments
from
the
finance
committee
on
this
issue.
D
Okay,
then,
the
the
end
of
the
paragraph
states
it's
either.
The
mayor
shall
appoint
the
chair
of
vice
chair
or
the
full
membership
of
the
chart
committee
shall
elect
a
chair
and
vice
chair.
How?
What
does
the
committee
prefer
this?
This
is
the
committee
okay,
with
the
way
the
resolution
is
written,
striking
the
mayor,
appointing
the
chair
and
vice
chair
and
having
the
chart
committee
elect
the
chair
and
vice
chair
councillor,
lindell.
J
Yeah,
that's
fine
with
me.
Those
are
the
kinds
of
things
that
you
know.
If
the
committee
wants
to
select
their
own
chair
and
vice
chair,
that's
fine!
That's
how
the
planning
commission
operates,
and
that
seems
reasonable
enough.
I
I
don't
think
that
I
think
that
you
know
to
remove
the
mirror
from
that
is
probably
just
fine.
So
you
know
if
they're
really
really
great,
then
the
committee
can
own
it
and
if
they're
really
lousy,
the
committee
can
own
it.
D
All
right,
any
other
comments,
then,
let's
go
to
the
chart
committee,
shall
be
comprised
of
the
following
members:
one
three
representatives
from
hispanic
cultural
and
civic
groups
that
are
active
in
new
mexico,
and
I
added
an
amendment,
two
of
which
must
be
based
in
santa
fe
county,
and
my
concern
was:
we
could
possibly
land
up
with
the
way
the
language
was
written
with
three
representatives
from
hispanic
culture
and
civic
groups
that
are
from
all
over
the
place
and
not
santa
fe
or
santa
fe
county.
D
So
that's
why
I
added
that
language
and
then
was
there
another
amendment
that
isn't
shown
here:
counselor
vera?
Was
it
yours
that
limited
this
to
two
groups,
or
did
we
stay
with
three?
I
can't
remember.
D
J
D
Got
in
this
place,
yeah
that
should
be
on
one
any
question:
councilwoman
cassette
sanchez.
E
I
actually
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
found
this
really
confusing.
I
made
actually
an
excel
spreadsheet
of
all
the
different
amendments
and
how
it
broke
up,
and
I,
if
that
is
something
that
would
be
of
use
to
other
people,
to
look
at
as
we
discussed
that
I
did
send
it
over
to
jesse
and
I
believe
he
could
send
it
out.
E
D
Okay,
are
there
any
comments
regarding
two
of
the
three
representatives
from
hispanic
culture
and
civic
groups
being
based
in
santa
fe
county.
D
No
okay,
then
I
don't
have
an
amendment
for
number
two.
D
Is
that
correct
number
three:
two
individuals
with
historical
cultural
expertise
and
credentials
and
then
strike
and
or
higher
and
replace
with
comma
higher
education,
new
mexico,
history
and
culture
and
ad
and
or
museum
or
other
professional
historical
interpretation
experiences
councilwoman
via
rail?
I
believe
that's
your
amendment.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
What
I
did
is
combined
that
expertise
with
the
number
six
that
talks
about.
F
The
experience
with
historical
interpretation
and
emphasis
on
new
mexico
history-
that
was
a
sorry
that
was
an
amendment,
but
what
I
wanted
to
do
is
consolidate
so
two
individuals.
They
could
either
have
historical,
cultural,
exp,
expertise
in
new
mexico,
history
and
culture
and
or
museum
or
other
professional
historical
interpretation
experiences.
I'm
trying
to
consolidate
certain
expertise,
that's
connected,
so
that
we
actually
have
more
representation
at
large
so
that
we're
getting
lived
experience.
F
I
think
that's
plenty
to
have
two
people,
whether
they're
historians,
they
work
for
the
museum,
have
other
professional
historical
interpretation
experiences.
So
I
combined
it
so
that
there's
two
people
that
could
have
either
or
in
that
background.
D
F
F
So
I
don't
know
how
you
would
want
to
word
that,
but
I
just
don't
want
to
have.
I
don't
necessarily
think
when
you
talk
about
a
historian.
It's
someone,
that's
a
self-proclaimed
historian,
which
we've
actually
gotten
a
few
emails
from
people
that
have
say
that.
So,
however,
you
want
to
say
that
I
didn't
add
in
higher
education
credentials.
It
was
me
I
mean
I
added
in
just
combined
three
and
six
essentially
sorry
yeah
three
and
six.
H
C
F
F
Yeah,
I'm
just
trying
to
narrow
down
the
fact
that
we
have
too
many
people
that
we're
trying
to
fit
on
a
committee.
That's
hard
enough
to
have
that
many
members.
So
if
it's
one
person
that
has
historical
cultural
expertise
and
credentials,
that's
fine
and
then
keep
this
six
as
an
individual
with
the
museum
or
other
professional
historical
interpretation
experience.
That's
fine.
C
I
guess
I
just
I'm
not
I'm
not
so
scared
of
big.
I
know
that
that's
been
a
constant
conversation,
because
I
think
we
want
to
be
inclusive
and
I
think
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
all
the
voices
that
we
think
are
necessary
and
given
the
complexity,
there
are
quite
a
few.
C
So-
and
I
realize
some
people
think
that
if
it's,
if
it's
too
big,
they
won't
get
anything
done.
But
I
know
that
there
have
been
blue
ribbon
commissions
at
the
state
level
that
have
been
very
large
to
include
all
the
the
voices
that
need
to
be
around
the
table
and
they
do
just
fine.
D
F
F
That's
fine!
I
just!
I
think
I
think
we
need
less
there's
other
committees
that
are
working
right
now
at
the
state
level
that
have
had
a
hard
time
because
they
have
so
many
members,
especially
the
racial
equity
commission,
there's
like
20,
and
it's
really
hard
to
try
to
get
everybody
together
on
the
same
date
and
meetings
and
they've
broken
up
into
subcommittees.
But
it's
still
been
challenging.
So
I'm,
okay
with
that.
I'd,
rather
have
more
at
large
than
trying
to
add
more
people
with
certain
expertise
and
I'm
okay
with
adding
one
individual.
D
Okay,
other
comments
from
the
committee.
C
Yeah
so
so,
which
history
gets
to
dominate
in
the
one
whose
history
are
you
gonna
pick.
F
D
Okay,
so
then
moving
down
that
will
take
us
to
seven
there's
been
two
amendments
that
say
strike
two
and
have
only
one
former
elected
city
of
santa
fe
official.
Does
the
committee
feel
strongly
about
whether
we
should
have
one
or
two.
J
I'd
said
two,
but
you
know
again,
I
don't
think
whether
it's
one
or
two
is
going
to
make
a
big
difference
of
the
outcome
of
the
work
of
this
committee.
So
I'm
fine
with
it.
D
Okay
and
then
there
was
an
amendment
to
strike
nine
one
individual
with
a
legal
background
with
regard
to
the
city's
laws
and
policies.
Are
there
any
concerns
with
striking
this
language.
C
D
D
D
F
F
D
Okay,
anybody
feel
strongly
about
striking
that
we're
against
that.
Okay,
then,
I
think
we
have
agreement
on
that
ten
one
individual
with
mediator,
dispute
resolution,
training
and
experience.
I
think
that's
covered
elsewhere
in
the
resolution,
and
I
don't
think
we
wanted
that
individual
to
be
a
member
of
the
committee,
and
so
I
propose
that
we
struck
that
and
I
added
a
member
of
the
youth,
the
mayor's
youth
advisory
board
or
a
nominee
selected
by
the
mayor's
youth
advisory
board.
D
Again,
my
concern-
and
I
stated
at
other
committees-
is-
I
think
our
youth
has
their
own
perspective
regarding
this,
and
I
think
it
would
be
important
that
we
hear
it
and
also
that
they
hear
our
perspective.
So
I
think
it's
important
that
we
have
an
a
committee
that
includes
a
member
mr.
C
D
C
Just
want
to
strongly
support
you
in
that
I.
I
absolutely
believe
that
we
should
call
out
a
member,
a
youth
member.
E
Yes,
I
also
do
strongly
support
that
that
amendment-
and
you
know
I
am
chair-
of
mayor's
youth
advisory
board
at
this
time,
and-
and
I
know
that
this
is
something
that
the
group
would
be
very
interested
in
having
representation
of
and
and
at
and
being
able
to
get
reports
on
as
well.
I
also
just
want
to
clarify
the
individuals
mediator
dispute
resolution.
They
would
be,
I
mean
essentially
a
non-voting
member
of
the
committee
there's
somebody
that
would
be
there
the
entire
time,
but
they
would
just
be
a
non-vote.
D
Right
at
the
the
end
of
the
resolution,
the
for
facilitation
resources.
There
was
an
addition.
The
appropriation
shall
include
funding
for
a
mediator
with
dispute
resolution
and
restorative
justice,
training
and
experience,
that's
an
amendment
and
so
yeah.
It
would
be
addressed
that
way
and
not
as
a
member
of
the
the
committee
perfect.
E
Yeah,
I
think,
that's
important,
because
I
know
in
some
of
the
other
versions
and
some
of
the
other
amendments.
They
are
still
there
at
what
I
believe
is
a
voting
member,
and
so
I
I
strongly
support
that.
They
are
not
a
voting
member
but
that
they
are
fulfilling
a
different
role.
So
thank
you.
D
Okay-
and
I
did
okay
so
11
is
we
have
either
three
two
or
four
at
large
members.
F
All
right,
I
just
had
one
comment:
I
had
my
hand
raised
about
the
representation.
I
definitely
think
we
have
a
youth.
We
need
a
youth
represent
representative,
so
I'm
just
wondering:
why
are
we
limiting
it
to
the
youth
advisory
board
membership
to
make
the
appointment
or
nomination?
D
F
D
E
Comment
on
process
there
mayab
has
not
been
meeting
since
march.
I
do
have
a
meeting
tomorrow
to
re-establish
miab.
I
am
hoping
to
start
meeting
with
them
again
come
january,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are.
E
I
also
would
like
to
to
really
get
them
involved,
and
but
I'm
thinking
about
timing
here,
as
we
were
absolutely
interrupted
by
covid,
so
I
can
have
more
information
on
that
when
we
get
to
governing
body,
but
when
we
are
looking
at
this
timeline
timeline,
that
is
something
that
I
want
to
think
about,
and
I'd
be
happy
to
reach
out
to
the
miam
leadership
to
our
chair
and
co-chair
to
discuss
that
with
them
as
well
as
we
might
be
able
to
work
through
it
even
before
we
have
a
meeting
established.
F
Councilwoman
via
royale
yeah.
That
was
also
my
second
question
about,
if
they're
even
meeting
and
then
yeah.
So
if
you
could
just
let
us
know
about
that,
because
I'm
okay
with
having
the
board
I've,
I've
also
served
on
the
chair
being
able
to
be
involved.
The
problem
I
we
had
in
the
past-
and
hopefully
that's
changed
with
new
staffing
too-
is
that
you
all
are
getting
a
quorum.
F
D
Okay,
so
item
11
is
either
three
two
or
four
at
large
members
of
the
santa
fe
community,
selected
with
a
particular
focus
on
adding
to
the
diversity
of
the
committee.
What's
how
many
at-large
members
does
the
finance
committee
want
to
recommend.
E
D
Yeah,
okay,
councilwoman
v
rayal.
You
agree
with
that.
Also,
okay,
so
we'll
just
let
the
rest
of
the
process
play
itself
out.
Item
12
was
something
I
had
an
amendment
I
had
made,
but
I
am
going
to
withdraw
that.
I
had
email
communications
with
the
county
commissioners.
They
want
to
be
able
to
just
submit
different
people
that
they
would
like
for
us
to
to
consider
that
may
make
up
any
one
of
these
or
several
of
the
members
of
the
committee.
So
we
can
go
ahead
and
strike
that
language.
D
So
then
that
brings
us
down
to
meetings,
duration,
section
6
line
18.
The
chart
committee
is
urged
to
complete
its
duties
in
a
phased
approach
that
will
work
to
be
completed
by
the
end
of
december
2022,
councilwoman
villarreal.
I
believe
that's
one
of
your
amendments.
F
So
again,
it's
that
whole
idea
of
making
sure
that
if
there's
phased
issues,
whether
it's
the
urgency
of
the
looking
at
the
obelisk
issue,
I
just
think
it
needed
to
have
a
phased
approach,
because
when
it
just
says
all
duties
completed
by
december
2022,
it
just
feels
like
everything
has
to
end
then,
and
that
we
don't
have
some
kind
of
like
prioritization
process.
F
E
E
E
Conversation
of
you
know
if
we
are
selecting
the
right
people
we're
getting
the
right
people
in
the
room
that
maybe
one
of
the
first
tasks
that
they
do
is
to
set
themselves
benchmarks,
and
that
could
be
a
really
good
way
for
us
to
be
looking
at
their
progress
and
for
them
to
be
looking
at
their
progress
and
moving
forward.
So
I
don't
know
if
you'd
be
interested
in
rewording
this
just
to
give
them
that
responsibility
to
be
setting
this.
F
F
It
just
sounds
like
there's
nothing
in
between,
but
you
know.
I
think
the
committee
can
make
that
decision
now
that
I'm
thinking
about
it,
they're
gonna
have
to
decide
on
kind
of
what
they're
gonna
take
first
and
second
and
third.
So
I
think
in
this
case
it's
just
saying
to
complete
it's,
maybe
not
just
duties
but
obligations.
F
C
F
C
I
like
that
idea
and
that
way,
they'll
they'll
figure
out
the
time
frames,
they'll
figure
out
what
comes
first
and
second
and
and
how
and
how
to
approach
this
massive
thing.
We're
asking
them
to
do
in
a
way
that
you
know
kind
of,
takes
it
into
chunks
and
and
and
puts
it
in
a
in
a
sequence
that
makes
sense.
F
C
I
mean
the
other
good
thing
about
giving
a
an
outer
time
frame.
For
this
to
end
is
that
I
think,
when
I
served
on
the
city
charter
review
commission
when
I
accepted
that
nomination
or
that
appointment,
I
absolutely
wanted
to
know
what
kind
of
a
commitment
I
was
making
and
for
how
long
and
how
that
was
going
to
fit
in
with
other
things
I
had
going
on
with
my
life.
So
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
give
folks
who
are
interested
in
serving
on
this
committee.
F
D
Okay,
so
we'll
we'll
have
to
yeah.
We
had
some
other
language
that
we
thought
still
needed
to
be
worked
on,
so
we
could
include
that
in
there
and
then
on
in
line
21
procedures,
including
the
use
of
robert's
rules
of
order
strike
in
conducting
its
meetings
when
no
other
and
then
add
unless
another
convention
and
then
strike
has
been
and
put
is
adopted.
F
Yes,
councilman
will
be
iral.
Yes,
thank
you.
I
just
think
that
robert's
rules
of
order,
not
everybody,
understands
them-
knows
how
to
use
them.
We
struggle
with
that
from
time
to
time
and
for
a
committee
to
have
to
follow
that
kind
of
structure.
I'd
rather
them
decide
if
that's
the
right
way
to
approach
it
unless
they
have
another.
I
didn't
use
the
word
convention
that
was
already
added
in
unless
another
method
is
adopted,.
H
C
I
mean
it's
not
that
hard
roberts
of
rules,
and
I
I
worry
that
we
need
some
sort
of
structure
to
make
sure
that
the
deliberations
are
fair
and
people
are
heard
and
understand
what
the
rules
are,
and
so
I
don't
know
if
there's
not.
I.
F
Not
all
facilitators
know
robert's
rules
either
there's
other
methods
like
consensus.
I
just
think
there's
it's
off-putting.
I
think
it
actually
prevents
people
from
feeling
comfortable
about
how
to
run
a
meeting
and
when
you
incorporate
robert's
rules,
I
don't
think
it's
very
equitable,
not
everybody.
C
Right,
but
when
you
so
when
you're
in
a
decision-making
mode,
when
you
have
to
vote
to
adopt
something,
we
should
be
using
robert's
rules,
but
to
your
point,
when
they're
just
having
a
conversation
about
something
the
mediator
will,
I
think,
take
over
and
use
their
mediator
process.
D
C
D
E
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
You
know
I
had
made
the
suggestion
to
add
in
the
restorative
justice,
training
and
experience.
I
know
that
it
is
a
framework
that
has
been
successful.
I
think
that
there
are
some
really
beneficial
pieces
of
it,
but
I
actually
think
we
should
strike
it
because
I
think
it
will
limit
our
options
in
terms
of
a
mediator
or
facilitator,
who
may
not
necessarily
have
specific
training
or
a
credential
in
restorative
justice,
and
I
would
not
want
to.
E
F
I
actually
didn't
understand
it
because
we
said
the
governing
body
shall
appropriate
the
funds
for
the
facilitation
of
the
committee's
work,
and
you
said
the
appropriation
shall
include
funding
for
a
mediator
with
dispute
resolution.
Are
you
talking
about
a
separate
person
separate
from
the
facilitator.
E
F
J
If
you're
willing
to
strike
that,
I
think
that
that's
up
to
you
and
I
I
suspect
that
we're
supportive
of
it,
because
I
think
it
opens
up
a
bigger
group.
So
right.
Thank.
D
Okay,
so
that's
the
the
conclusion
of
the
resolution,
councilwoman
romero
worth.
How
do
you
suggest
we
proceed
now?
As
our
parliamentarian.
D
Right,
that's
what
I
say
what,
if
we
forward
it
without
a
recommendation
but
give
jesse
direction
to
put
in
the
changes
that
we
all
agreed
on,
because
there
definitely
was
changes
that
were
unanimous
and
then
there's
three
or
four
that
we
just
like
you
said
it's
not
going
to
matter
one
way
or
the
other.
I
don't
think
we
I
mean
it's
going
to
governing
body
and
I
think
we
did
our.
While
we
haven't
done
our
job
as
finance
committee,
we
do
as
councilwoman
villarreal
said.
D
We
need
to
look
at
the
fir,
so
we
can
do
that,
but
maybe
we
just
forward
it
without
a
recommendation
and
that
with
direction
to
jesse
to
make
the
language
changes
that
we
all
agreed
upon.
What
are
the
thoughts.
F
Point
of
clarification,
so
are
you
saying
the
ones
that
we
all
agreed
on
tonight?
We
would
put
them
all
together.
Could
we
then
vote
on
those
right
now,
since
we
agreed
on
them.
C
The
problem
is,
is
I
don't
think
that
we
we'd
have
to
go
through
and,
and
we
read
re-talk
about
all
the
ones
we
agreed,
so
we
knew
what
we
were
voting
on.
I
think
it's
easier
just
I
I
think
it's
hopefully
jesse.
Where
are
you
jesse.
N
C
You
can
you
put
to.
Can
you
put
amendment
together
with
all
the
things
that
we,
where
we
were
all
working
together
and
it
was
all
like
yeah?
That's
right,
that's
what
we
should
do.
H
Yeah,
I
I
took
notes
on
the
ones
that
you
wanted
to
keep
and
then
notes
on
which
ones
you
wanted
to
change
a
little
bit.
There
were
multiple
amendments
that
you
talked
about
and
then
didn't
take
action
on
up
or
down
or
sideways.
D
C
Yeah,
I
I'm
happy
to
work
with
you
too
jesse,
but
I
think
the
the
places
where
they
we
either
need
new
language
to
reflect
some
of
the
struggles
or
we
just
disagree.
I
mean
I,
I
we
just
that's
the
stuff
that
we
need
to
to
work
on.
We
need
to
work
on
and
the
stuff
where
we
disagree.
We
just
disagree.
A
J
Did
did
we
have
a
any
consensus
on
the
committee
to
form
the
committee.
D
D
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
let
me
open
it,
but
essentially
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
where
the
money
was
coming
from
and
it
was
over
a
period
of
two
years.
So
do
we
set
that
in
the
fir,
as
that
would
be
something
that
we
have
to
budget
for
in
the
coming
budget
year?.
D
Yeah,
let
me
let's
refer
to
the
finance
director,
miss
mccoy.
What
are
your
suggestions
for
how
we
make
a
recommendation
on
the
physical
impact
and
take
it
into
consideration
councilwoman
via
rael's
suggestion.
O
This
we
will
definitely
need
to
budget
for
this
in
the
upcoming
fiscal
year
fiscal
year
22..
O
I
do
anticipate
some
needs
in
the
current
fiscal
year,
so
you
know
and
the
I
think,
the
fire
pretty
much
covered
it
staffing,
which
would
be
part
of
our
already
approved
fy21
budget,
but
then
potentially
additional
resources
for
outreach
facilitation,
communication.
All
the
things
that
you
all
have
described
in
your
discussions
today
that
are
so
important
to
the
success
of
this
committee,
and
so
with
that
what
the,
if
this
measure
passes
and
the
looking
at
the
the
timeline.
O
When
this
measure
passes,
we
will
look
towards
city
resources
already
allocated
and
be
able
to
determine
in
the
current
fiscal
year
based
on
budget
to
actuals,
where
we
anticipate
fully
spending
our
budget,
maybe
areas
where
we
can
reallocate
the
current
budget
to
supporting
these
types
of
costs.
In
addition
to
that,
we
could
also
look
at
other
sources,
and
this
is
just
you
know
very
generally,
you
know
if
our
revenue
projections
are
outpacing
or
if
our
revenue
actual
revenue
is
outpacing
our
projections.
O
We
can
look
at
allocating
the
additional
revenue
towards
one
of
these
priorities
or
we
can
look
to
taking
funding
out
of
our
general
fund
reserves,
so
we
will
be
working
with
the
council.
You
know
in
the
weeks
after
this
measure
passes
to
be
able
to
determine
the
appropriate
source
of
the
funding
for
this
initiative.
O
Mr
chair
counselor,
I
think
one
of
the
first
things
that
I
mentioned
was
a
potential
reallocation
of
our
current
budget.
You
know
at
this
point
or
the
point
that
you
mentioned
through
the
beginning
of
the
new
calendar
year.
We
will
have
already
have
budget
to
actuals
for
half
of
the
fiscal
year,
so
we'll
be
able
to
determine
if
there's
potentially
salary,
savings
from
positions,
vacant
positions
or
other
contracts.
You
know
budget
is
always
a
plan.
O
The
budget
that
was
passed
by
this
committee
in
and
the
governing
body
in
july
was
a
plan
so
now
moving
forward
six
months.
If
the
committee
were
to
get
started
and
need
these
additional
resources
in
january,
we
would
look
to
see
first
and
foremost,
where
there's
potential
budget
to
be
reallocated
with
what
has
already
been
approved
by
city
council.
F
Thank
you
for
that.
How
did
we
come
up
with
150
000
a
year?
O
Mr
chair
counselors,
I
think
jessie
could
probably
provide
some
additional
information
to
this.
I
think
the
projection
does
consist
of
again
a
variety
of
different
necessary
factors,
necessary
inputs
for
this
to
ensure
the
success
of
this
committee,
including
our
staffing
costs,
outreach
facilitation,
communications
going
forward,
150
000
would
be
for
per
fiscal
year.
K
Mr
chairman,
I
think
I
think
counselor
virael's
questions
are
really
on
target.
These
numbers
are
very
much
preliminary
and
they
are
still
we're
still
working
on
them.
I've
been
working
on
with
both
director
mccoy,
but
also
with
the
with
pauline
kamiyama
and
with
christine,
with
the
city
manager,
to
try
to
look
more
granularly
at
what
an
operating
budget
could
be.
I
think
at
the
moment
it's
very
preliminary.
We
have
categories
as
director
mccoy
was
pointing
out
there
is.
K
There
are
certain
things
you
can
anticipate
for
this
committee
to
function.
Well,
you
simply
need
to
have
certain
line
items
in
a
budget,
and
we
we
had
a
meeting
today
to
talk
about
more
refinements.
We've
got
some
meetings
going
on
as
this
as
the
resolution
continues
to
be
worked
on
to
look
for
outside
sources
as
well
as
inside
sources.
K
I
know
many
people
have
highlighted
the
melon
foundation's
pro
program
that
was
has
been
in
the
newspaper
or
many
newspapers
lately
regarding
statues
and
monuments
in
cities
around
the
country,
so
pauline
kamiyama
has
been
looking
into
that.
K
There
are
obviously
you
all
know,
the
same
local
philanthropies
that
that
are
available
for
at
least
discussion.
K
We
have
a
the
state
of
new
mexico
has
a
long-standing
relationship
with
kellogg
foundation
because
they
have
an
interest
in
our
the
overall
profile
of
new
mexico,
and
there
are
you
know
there
are
other
potential
ways
to
find
revenues
or
funding
sources,
including
individual
philanthropists
or
people
who
want
to
participate.
K
The
the
city
government
put
no
money
into
the
greensboro
effort,
so
there
are
many
different
profiles
that
that
can
be
followed,
but
I
think
certainly
what
director
mccoy
has
said
about
looking
at
the
places
where
there
is
where
we
have
some
startup
money,
if
you
will
to
get
going
out
of
our
own
unspent
funds
or
places
where
covid
has
dramatically
changed
our
plans
for
how
we
intended
to
spend
some
money.
That
would
probably
be
enough
to
get
the
first
increment
going
and
then
grow
it
from
there.
K
So
your
their
question
is
spot
on.
I
I
think
we
we
just
like
you've,
been
working
very
diligently
tonight
to
work
on
the
language,
the
structure,
the
representation
I
think
same
applies
in
the
staffing
work
that
is
going
on
to
say,
okay,
assuming
this
something
is
adopted,
what
would
be
a
working
budget
and
what
would
be
the
sources
of
funds
and
then
what
would
be
the
disposition?
Just
like
counselor
mayor
worth
said,
let's
have
a
work
program.
I
think
we
also
need
a
as
we
look
at
the
work
program.
K
That
said,
if
you've
got
suggestions
of
I'm
serious,
if
there
are,
if
the
finance
committee
has
some
really
good
ideas
about
either
what
a
budget
needs
to
look
like.
I
know:
councilwoman
virel
you've
done
a
lot
of
work
in
in
in
the
nonprofit
world
to
figure
out
how
to
staff
things
and
bring
projects
to
life.
So
if
you
have
specific
line
items
or
categories
that
you've
personally
put
into
a
budget
or
seen
needed
in
a
budget,
please
please
bring
those
suggestions.
F
Okay,
I
I
guess
I
was
thinking
that
other
dollars
philanthropic
dollars
could
help
us
support
this
effort.
I
I
said
that
in
june
to
the
mayor
about
how
local
foundations
could
have
helped
to
support
and
move
forward
with
this
process
with
the
reconciliation,
commission
or
committee
in
this
case-
and
I
think
some
of
them
might
be
interested
because
they
realize
how
important
this
is,
and
it
has
been
important
for
the
city
of
santa
fe
for
decades,
if
not
longer
so
yeah.
I
think
we
need
to
look
beyond
just
our
own
general
budget.
K
Absolutely
yeah
you
and
I
are
seeing
the
world
through
very
same
eyes,
which
is
this
is
a
community
effort.
This
is
not
just
our
and
you've
talked
about
it
during
this
meeting.
This
is
a
community-wide
conversation
and
an
investment
in
the
work
of
the
commission
or
the
committee
is
an
investment
in
that
conversation,
and
certainly
philanthropies
or
other
organizations
or
individuals
would
be
doing
us
all
a
real
benefit
if
they
can
contribute,
either
with
monetary
contributions
or
non-monetary
contributions,
sourcing
information
or
contributing
ideas
or
expertise.
D
Okay,
then,
I
think
our
work
is
done
here.
Thank
you
to
the
members
of
the
finance
committee
and
the
other
members
of
the
governing
body
that
joined
us
this
evening.
I
really
appreciate
it
and
I
think
we
did
the
best
we
could
so.
Thank
you
any
other
comments
before
we
adjourn.
F
D
Jessie,
when
do
you
think
you
could
have
that
done
this?
This?
The
governing
body
is
scheduled
to
hear
this
on
the
ninth
so
there's
time
between
now
and
then
to
get
that
done
but
jesse.
When
do
you
think
you
could
have
a
draft
for
us
to
look
at.
H
D
Yeah
perfect,
thank
you,
okay,
so
with
that
we
are
adjourned.
Thank
you.