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F
Sorry
that
would
be
Matters
from
the
city
clerk,
which
is
me,
but
I
am
going
to
just
let
us
move
on
with
our
business.
Okay,.
C
H
I,
don't
think
I
have
anything
well.
Thank
you,
Andrea.
Are
you
still
here?
Oh,
she
left
well
she'll
watch
the
stream.
Thank
you
Andrea.
We
will
miss
you
so
very
much.
Thank
you
for
all
your
work
and
we've
really
appreciated
everything
that
you've
done
and
and
really
just
I
mean
I
didn't
have
time
to
think
about
this.
We
just
found
out,
but
but
really
really
gonna
miss
her
so
wanted
to
recognize
Andre
and
her
work
and
wish
her
luck
on
her
next
Journey.
Thank.
A
E
I've
I've
already
wished
Andrea
luck
and
congratulations
on
her
new
position,
so
I
don't
have
anything
else.
Thank
you,
mayor.
I
You
mayor
I
would
Echo
that
oh
good
luck
to
you,
Andrea
I,
also
want
to
give
a
huge
thank
you
to
the
road
crew.
Oh
my
gosh,
they
have
done
such
a
good
job.
They've
been
awesome.
They
I
live
right
at
the
top
of
Gonzalez
Hill
I
haven't
called
my
insurance
company
before
I've
left
the
house
one
time
this
year.
I
They've
just
done
amazing
work
and
they're
super
cheerful
about
it.
So
hats
off
to
the
guys
and
gals
that
have
dealt
with
some
really
really
treacherous
weather.
Thanks
mayor.
C
Thank
you,
councilman
Villarreal.
You
have
the
floor.
J
Thank
you,
mayor
I
just
wanted
to
also
tell
Andrea
Salazar
that
she
was
a
pleasure
working
with
her
and
I
wish
her.
The
best
of
luck
in
her
new
digs
and
I
also
wanted
to
thank
Tenzin,
lato
I,
think
I,
say
I
might
say
his
last
name
incorrect
he's
in
our
I.T
department,
and
he
I
had
some
technical
issues
and
I
needed
to
get
I
needed
to
review
my
packet.
So
he
helped
me
on
a
Sunday.
J
J
Student
Art
Exhibit
this
Friday
at
five
at
our
Santa
Fe
Community
gallery,
and
it
will
be
focusing
on
Youth
and
art
pieces
that
they
have
submitted
with
in
partnership
with
artworks
programming,
so
check
it
out.
Thank
you.
That's.
K
You
mayor
just
as
well
as
a
shout
out
to
City
attorney
Andrea
on
her
next
adventure
have
fun,
but
don't
forget
about
all
the
fun
that
we
have
at
City.
Maybe
it'll
bring
her
back
here
and
then
just
a
quick
shout
out
to
my
daughter.
She
celebrated
a
sweet
16th
birthday
yesterday.
D
Thank
you
mayor
wanted
to
thank
our
road
crews
as
well
for
the
great
work
they
did
all
throughout
the
city
the
day
that
it
snowed
I
went
from
one
side
of
town
to
the
other,
and
it
looked
great.
So
they
did
a
great
job.
So
we
can
pass
that
along
Mr.
Blair.
D
There's
a
lot
of
needs
out
there
still
and
thanks
to
the
hiring
of
the
new
Airport,
Manager
I,
don't
know
what's
James's
last
name
Harris
who
I
don't
think
everyone
has
met
yet,
but
maybe
we
can
get
him
here
just
for
an
introduction
at
some
point,
but
just
thank
them
for
addressing
all
all
the
needs
of
of
the
airport,
including
hiring
staff
and
taking
care
of
other
things.
So
everyone
at
the
airport
seems
to
be
pretty
happy
right
now.
I
also
wanted
to
congratulate
the
public
utility.
D
The
Water
Division
source
of
Supply
staff,
Jesse
roach,
was
at
public
works
on
Monday
and
we
recognized
them
for
winning
an
award
and
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
name
of
the
award
is
it's
pretty
long,
but
they
won
it
twice
in
three
years,
so
our
water
source,
Supply
staff,
Jonathan
Montoya
and
his
whole
crew
fabulous
job.
So
they
continue
to
do
great
work.
Okay
and
then
I
wanted
to
ask
the
governing
body
if
takes
about
an
hour,
but
there's
a
video
out.
D
It
talks
about
really
the
trauma
that
our
Public
Safety
people
carry
and
I
didn't
realize
how
much
I
was
carrying
until
I
watched
this
so
I'm,
currently
in
the
process
of
trying
to
get
some
help,
but
really
for
police
and
fire
who
I
deal
with
stuff
on
a
daily
basis.
It's
tough
and
this
all
maybe.
D
Of
what
they
go
through
on
a
daily
yearly
career
basis,
when
the
football
player
for
the
Buffalo
Bills
went
into
cardiac
arrest
on
the
field,
you
saw
the
reaction
of
those
players
and
then
they
stopped
Play
Never
continued
the
game,
never
made
it
up
and
I'm
thinking.
Here
we
are
Public
Safety
police
fire.
We
go
to
that
and
then
we
have
to
be
ready
within
20
minutes
to
go
to
the
next
thing.
Sometimes
it's
the
same.
Sometimes
it's
less.
D
Sometimes
it's
something
much
worse,
and
this
continues
over
the
course
of
for
me
a
25-year
career,
so
tough
things,
but
we'll
figure
it
out.
Thank.
C
You
thank
you.
You
can
make
sure
we
all
have
the
correct
name,
so
we
can
find
it
that'd
be
great.
Okay,
counselor
Chavez.
Thank.
L
You
mayor
I
I,
also
want
to
wish
Andrea
good
luck.
I
want
to
just
send
a
huge
thank
you
to
the
road.
Crews
want
to
recognize
city
manager
Blair,
because
during
the
chaos
of
those
snowy
mornings,
he's
super
responsive
to
me
when
I
am
reaching
out
to
him
about
roads
and
he's
in
quick
communication
and
there's
always
a
quick
response.
So
your
leadership
is
also
very
much
so
appreciated
and
today
is
a
very
special
day
because
my
daughter
turned
seven
and
some
people
here
know
Lena.
She
is
a
light.
L
Like
I
spoke
about
earlier,
her
presence,
her
beauty,
her
personality.
She
is
who
I
hope
to
grow
up
to
be
and
she's
only
seven,
so
I
want
to
wish
her
a
happy
birthday.
She
is
very
sad
about
not
being
six
anymore
last
night,
but
she's
gonna
have
so
much
fun
as
a
seven-year-old,
so
I
know
she's
watching
I
love,
you
happy
Birthday
baby.
Oh.
C
Y'all
happy
birthday
from
all
of
us
I'll,
very
briefly:
congratulations
to
Santa
Fe!
We
are
the
number
one
city
in
the
country,
small
towns
and
smaller
cities
best
places
to
live
and
work
as
a
Movie
Maker
2023.
we
can
yeah.
Thank
you
very
much.
No
I,
don't
clap,
but
if
you
see
a
movie
maker
give
him
a
hug,
it
continues
to
Maze
and
Delight.
C
All
of
us
that
we
get
ranked
number
one
number
two
in
all
of
these
categories,
whether
it's
an
opportunity
to
make
film
be
creative,
publish,
novels,
write,
poetry,
you
name
it.
Our
creative
presence
is
just
incredible
and
we
keep
getting
these
Awards
and
we
should
thank
our
team
that
helps
make
it
happen
in
arts
and
culture,
but
also
the
people
who
live
here.
Who
make
it
happen.
They
we
couldn't
do
it
without
that
community
I
will
forego
the
opportunity.
I
will
at
some
point
in
the
future.
C
Since
John
mentioned,
the
conference
of
mayor's
Summit
in
DC
I
will
give
you
and
I
will
give
you
an
update
on
what
other
City
Mayors
are
all
talking
about
and
what
we
have
in
common
with
them
as
well
and
where
areas
where
we're
doing
exceptionally
well
areas
where
we
need
to
double
down
to
do
even
better,
but
it
is
to
John's
point.
C
It
is
always
very
gratifying
to
me
when
I
go
out
to
one
of
those
events
and
the
badge
I
wear
says:
Santa
Fe
mayor
the
number
of
people
who
come
up
to
me.
They
don't
care
about
me.
They
care
about
Santa,
Fe
and
they
all
say:
I
love
your
city.
It's
on
my
list
of
places
to
go.
If
I've
been
there,
it's
on
my
list
to
come
back
to
there
is
you
there's
no
city
in
America
with
that
kind
of
Perfection
on
the
part
of
other
people,
and
we
should.
C
We
may
take
it
for
granted,
but
we
shouldn't,
because
in
the
in
the
orbit
of
cities
we
are
really
really
a
special
place,
that
other
people
praise
and
and
say
you
don't
hear
it
about
many
places
at
these.
At
these
mayoral
Summits,
but
invariably
the
mayor
of
Santa
Fe,
the
city
gets
high
priority,
so
be
proud.
Mayor.
H
H
They
sent
us
the
documentary,
so
we
could
see
it,
but
they
also
I
really
want
to
encourage
everyone
to
watch
that
quality
of
life,
because
we
had
members
of
our
fire
department
sharing
some
of
their
experiences,
and
it
was
really
powerful
to
hear
as
well
as
discussing
what
the
fire
department
is
doing
to
really
address
this
issue.
So
I
wanted
to
make
sure
Council
Rivera
was
aware,
as
well
as
the
general
population,
because
you're
right,
it's
a
very
something.
We
don't
think
about
in
a
really
crucial
issue.
D
I
think
the
people
that
are
lacking
are
really
those
people
that
have
retired
and
really
are
away
from
their
comfort
area.
Their
comfort
group
and
I
can
probably
list
five
or
six
people
off
the
top
of
my
head
that
I've
retired.
C
It
does
with
the
military
as
well
all
right.
Thank
you,
everybody,
let's
close
out
the
Communications
from
the
governing
body
and
move
to
item
15,
which
is
rapid
introduction
of
legislation.
F
Yeah
I
could
just
say
one
more
point
on
that
that
Council
Rivera
doesn't
mention
is
how
amazing
that
our
firefighters
also
have
to
then
go
home
after
a
hard
shift
and
suddenly
become
husbands,
fathers
and
Friends
immediately
to
their
loved
ones.
So
thank
you.
Counselor
Vera,
because
I
know
what
that's
like
to
leave
a
call
and
come
right
home
and
jump
into
being
a
husband
and
a
father
and
a
friend
to
your
other
firefighters.
So
sorry,
mayor,
I,
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
that
yes
item
15b
is
our
next
item.
F
It's
consideration
of
a
bill
approving
a
lease
agreement
between
the
city
of
Santa,
Fe
and
specifica
LLC
for
the
lease
of
city-owned
building
and
improvements
located
at
500,
Market
Street
within
the
rail
yard,
within
the
city
and
county
of
Santa
Fe
New
Mexico
to
expand
its
biotechnological
company.
Sorry-
and
this
one
is
just
an
introduction:
it
is
sponsored
by
mayor
Weber,
counselor,
Lindell,
counselor,
Casa
and
Council
Romero
worth
if
anyone
like.
F
All
right,
we
did
already
have
petitions
from
the
floor
so
we'll
move
on
to
public
comment
on
bills.
This
is
a
first
public
comment.
There
is
no
action,
but
item
17A
is
consideration
of
a
bill
sponsored
by
counselor,
Casa
and
councilwoman
via
Royal.
It's
an
ordinance
amending
sfcc
1987
to
use
gender
neutral
language.
C
M
F
Ryan
Martinez
well
I'm
wanting
to
discuss
the
Firearms
resolution.
Is
this
the
proper
time
or
should
you
have
to
wait?
Mr
Martinez?
This
is
not
the
time
for
that
and
that
item.
Actually.
K
C
C
C
This
this
is
only
for
the
bill.
That's
been
introduced
regarding
gender,
neutral
language,
sir.
C
F
Yes,
Miss
Stephanie
benanato.
O
O
I
think
this
is
long
overdue
and
I
appreciate
that
it's
being
brought
forward,
I
believe
I
was
reading
the
variance
requirements
under
the
boa
part
of
the
land
use
ordinance
and
it
definitely
needs
this
kind
of
looking
at.
Thank
you.
C
F
The
next
item
is
Item
B
consideration
of
a
bill
sponsored
by
mayor
Weber.
It's
an
ordinance
amending
section,
2-8.2a
creation
of
Department
by
removing
language
that
prescribes
a
recreation
division
as
a
division
of
the
community,
health
and
safety
department
and
family
and
youth
services
as
a
component
of
the
community
services
department
and
by
removing
the
term
safety
from
the
name
of
the
office
of
emergency
management
and
safety.
P
F
Next
item
is
dimension
of
a
bill
sponsored
by
councilor
Romero
worth
and
counselor
cassette.
It's
an
ordinance
amending
sections,
2-1.9
2-4.6
and
19-4
sfcc
1987
to
authorize
governing
body
members
to
employees
staff
when
funds
are
budgeted
for
that
per
for
that
purpose
and
aligning
those
sections
with
the
city
of
Santa,
Fe
Charter.
C
O
Yeah,
thank
you,
Stephanie
benonato,
I
kind
of
wonder
what
that
really
means.
Are
we
trying
to
professionalize
city
council
and
have
a
more
staff
support
staff?
After
having
thing
you
know
so
much
managerial
level
being
instituted
at
the
city
and
I
have
to
again
say
I,
really
resent
that
you
don't
have
contact
information
for
each
department
on
this
webpage.
O
It
is
not
transparent,
calling
constituents
Services
is
not
okay,
so
I'm
not
really
for
it.
It's
vague
about
well
when
it's
appropriated
or
whatever
the
exact
wording
was
I,
would
want
it
to
be
specific.
I
want
to
know
if
you
want
to
hire
staff,
because
you
have
a
special
project
that
you're
working
on
I,
don't
know
what
that
even
could
be,
or
you
just
want
to
have
administrative
help.
A
C
F
Sorry,
mayor
Weber.
The
next
item
is
consideration
of
a
bill
sponsored
by
mayor
Weber.
It's
an
ordinance
relating
to
fire
safety,
creating
a
new
section,
12-7
sfcc
1987,
to
allow
the
city
manager
in
consultation
with
the
fire
chief
emergency
manager
and
the
director
of
the
community
health
and
safety
department
to
close
certain
public
space,
certain
public
spaces.
If
fire
conditions
require
such
closure
to
protect
life
or
property,
and
to
preserve
public
peace
and
safety.
F
All
right:
the
next
item
is
consideration
of
a
bill
sponsored
by
mayor
Weber.
It's
an
ordinance
amending
section,
14-6.2.
F
Q
Thank
you
Mr
Mayor
can.
Can
you
hear
me
yes,.
P
Q
You
Mr
Mayor,
member
of
the
council,
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
very
briefly
on
this
bill.
My
name
is
Richard
Hughes
I'm,
an
attorney
with
the
rostein
law
firm
here
in
Santa
Fe
I
represent
the
Pueblo
of
pickeries.
The
Pueblo
figares,
as
many
of
you
may
know,
is
a
very
small,
very
remote
Pueblo.
It
does
not
have
any
gaming
activity,
it
does
not
have
any
significant
economic
activity
to
speak.
Q
Santa
Fe
from
for
a
number
of
years,
but
otherwise
is,
is,
has
a
very
difficult
time
providing
for
the
services
for
its
150
or
so
members.
The
Pueblo
has
been
very
anxious
to
try
to
get
into
the
Cannabis
business
and
with
help
from
the
hotel,
it
was
able
to
acquire
a
property
on
at
the
corner
of
Sandoval
and
Alameda.
The
former
First
National
Bank
drive.
K
Q
Unfortunately,
the
office
of
state
government
that
was
reviewing
those
permits
lost
the
application
twice,
and
it
took
a
number
of
months
about
almost
eight
months
or
nine
months
or
that
permit
finally
to
be
approved,
and
by
the
time
it
was
approved.
Unfortunately,
another
facility
had
had
been
opened
across
the
street.
Q
O
Stephanie
benonato
I
am
happy
that
Richard
you
spoke
and
explained
the
situation.
It
was
very
helpful
and
I
would
support
this
measure.
O
I
think
it's
important
to
promote
Native
American
businesses,
especially
one
that
could
be
in
Santa,
Fe
and
I.
Think
the
other
cannabis
business
nearby
has
multiple
multiple
dispensaries
in
several
towns
and
maybe
even
in
the
other
states.
So
again,
a
more
local
indigenous
business,
I
I
would
favor
that.
Thank
you.
C
Anyone
else
on
this
this
particular
bill,
if
not
Madam
clerk
I,
believe
we're
on
to
the
next
section
of
our
business.
F
Yes
mayor,
we
are
we're
on
to
final
action.
The
next
item
is
18a.
It's
consideration
of
a
bill
sponsored
by
councilor
Lindell,
mayor
Weber
and
counselor
Chavez.
It
is
an
ordinance
amending
section,
12-10.1.10
of
the
uniform
traffic
ordinance
governing
mufflers
and
emission
control
devices,
an
amending
schedule,
a
of
the
uniform
traffic
ordinance
to
increase
penalties
for
Muffler
noise
violations
and
deputy
chief
Matthew
Champlin
is
available
for
this
item.
C
R
Evening
assume
this
is
on
it's
a
new
mic
for
me.
Sorry
last
time,
I
was
here
so
this
evening
we've
been
a
long
way
to
bring
the
muffler
ordinance.
Finally,
here.
R
So
this
evening
we've
come
a
long
way
to
bring
the
muffler
ordinance.
Finally,
here
I
got
a
chance
to
review
it
yesterday.
As
far
as
the
Amendments
go,
as
you
all
know,
there's
about
six
amendments
to
it.
The.
C
Thank
you,
I
think,
we'll
I
think
we're
all
pretty
familiar.
Yes,.
S
C
Great,
thank
you.
Why
don't
we
I
think
that'll,
that's
great
and
if
you'll
just
hang
on
I'm
sure
there
will
be
questions
when
we
get
to
that
part
of
the
of
the
process.
C
If
you
have
a
you
want
to
speak
for
or
against
this
measure,
please
get
get
as
best
you
can
in
a
line
over
there
and
we'll
give
the
folks
who
have
been
waiting
their
opportunity
to
speak
to
this
to
Madam
clerk.
Are
we
usually
set
the
clock
at
two
minutes
for
these?
So
please
introduce
yourself,
give
us
your
name
your
address
and
then
we'll
have
a
opportunity
to
hear
your
your
input
on
the
bill.
T
O
T
T
You
may
have
hyperacusis,
which
means
you
are
overly
sensitive
to
ordinary
noise.
When
you
are
disabled
in
your
hearing,
you've
actually
become
more
sensitive
to
noise.
The
more
impaired
you
are
because
of
something
called
recruitment,
hair
cells
that
are
operational,
jump
in
and
are
recruited
to
amplify
any
sound,
so
people
with
PTSD
are
doing
their
best
when
you
consider
the
young
versus
the
old
or
disabled.
Please
consider
like
smokers
rights
versus
those
people
who
have
a
right
to
a
clean
breath
of
fresh
air
whose
rights
are
more
important
here.
T
U
15
12
Dome,
Gaspar
I
sit
at
the
corner
of
Dome
Gaspar
and
Lupita
up
by
the
hospital
I
am
for
raising
the
fines
on
the
illegal
Mufflers,
it's
kind
of
a
different
infraction
than
rolling,
through
a
stop
sign
which
I'm
not
crazy,
about
and
running
a
red
light.
U
Sometimes
people
accidentally
do
that,
but
those
modified
Mufflers
are
not
accidental.
That
is
something
that
somebody
goes
out
of
their
way
to
do
and
I'm
not
in
support
of
that
I'm.
A
member
of
stop
aggressive
drivers,
an
organization
that
this
is
just
one
aspect
of
it,
the
noisy
Mufflers.
U
We
have
a
change.org
petition
where
1445
people
I
checked
tonight
signed.
Are
you
aware
of
that?
1445
people
have
signed
that
petition
and
about
60
people
have
commented.
U
This
is
not
unique
to
Santa
Fe
I
love,
Santa
Fe
too.
It's
Charming,
it's
just
it's
a
charm
alarm
place,
but
it's
if
we
are
going
to
continue
with
infill,
and
that
does
seem
to
be
the
direction
that
we're
going.
We
need
to
get
control
over
the
roads,
people's
behavior
on
those
roads,
pedestrians,
bike,
riders,
people
crossing
the
street.
They
have
rights
too,
and
I
realize
this
is
Mission
creep.
It's
not
just
about
noise.
This
is
about
people's
behavior
behind
the
wheel
of
a
car.
P
A
M
Mayor
Pro
tem
and
esteemed
undercompensated,
counselors
I'm
here
representing
The
Lodges
association
with
their
Authority.
We
appreciate
and
thank
you
for
finally
addressing
this
issue.
M
The
main
thing
that
we
want
to
say
is:
please
look
at
the
noise
cameras,
they're
apolitical
they're,
a
racial
they're,
non-discriminatory
they're
about
to
be
used
in
Albuquerque
they're
used
in
La
that
place
over
there
in
Tennessee
and
Longmont
Colorado
and
they're
a
great
solution.
It
takes
pressure
off
the
police
and
the
sheriff's
department
and
it.
M
B
Good
evening,
mayor,
councilman,
councilwoman
I
hope
you
guys
can
hear
me.
We
all
know:
I
have
a
big
mouth:
hello,
I'm,
Bridget,
Dixon
I'm,
the
president
and
CEO
of
the
Santa
Fe
Chamber
of
Commerce
I
reside
at
41-47,
Las
Brisas
and
the
chamber's
been
the
voice
of
business
in
our
community
for
over
a
hundred
years,
and
we
represent
over
700
member
businesses.
B
As
we
all
know,
there
are
many
reasons
why
people
love
the
city
different
in
natural
beauty,
the
rich
culture,
experience,
Rich,
cultural
experience
and
the
Serene
environment.
However,
before
this
is
an
issue
that
distracts
from
the
Tranquility
of
our
community
with
excessively
loud
mufflers,
a
rubbing
motor
can
feel
threatening
and
aggressive.
B
The
chamber
has
received
numerous
phone
calls
and
emails
from
concerned
residents
and
business
owners
about
this
problem.
Not
only
is
this
disrupting
to
our
business
community
and
neighborhoods,
it
distracts
from
the
tourist
experience.
Well,
the
chamber
believes
that
a
higher
fine
would
deter
people
from
installing
loud
mufflers.
B
We
understand,
there's
been
many
many
iterations
and
compromises
to
get
us
to
this
point
this
evening
and
I
applaud
all
of
you
for
working
together.
So,
for
these
reasons
we
do
support
the
modified
ordinance
and
we're
just
excited
to
see
something
get
put
in
place
to
really
take
care
of
our
community.
Thank
you.
C
For
your
time,
thank
you
very
much.
Has
anyone
on
Zoom
who
is
waiting
their
turn
to
speak
on
the
public
hearing
side
of
this.
F
Yes,
mayor
is
Stephanie
benanato.
O
However,
I
think
enforcement
is
really
the
key,
and
if
what
Joe
Shep
said
about
these
cameras,
that
could
actually
record
people
with
loud
mufflers
I
think
this
would
be
really
good.
I
work
in
downtown
as
a
tour
guide
outside
it
is
deafening
at
times
in
the
early
evenings
around
seven
on.
H
I
H
O
O
F
V
We
can
okay,
great
yeah,
I've
I've
had
a
problem
with
this
for.
V
C
V
Okay,
listen
this!
This
has
been
an
issue
for
me
for
many
decades.
If
you
will
a
long
long
time
in
the
summertime,
the
winners
are
open.
I,
hear
I,
hear
this
noise
24
7.
a
really
and
truly
24
7..
If
I
wake
up
in
the
morning,
I
might
hear
them.
If
I,
if
I'm
waking
up
by
some
noise,
it's
then
motorcycles
and
I
really
really
really
hope.
You
can
do
something
about
this.
V
C
Anyone
else
in
the
zoom
room
with
a
hand
up
not
at
this
time
anyone
in
the
audience
who
wants
to
speak
to
this
bill
I,
don't
see
any
hands.
What
I
would
entertain
at
this
time,
then,
is
a
motion
and
then
take
up
the
Amendments
and
move
forward
move.
L
E
Thank
you
mayor.
Let's
do
the
easy
one
Amendment
sheet
C
an
amendment
sponsored
by
myself
and
counselor
cassette.
This
amendment
would
change
the
effective
date
of
this
ordinance
going
into
place
by.
Basically
it
would
allow
90
days
and
the
reason
for
that
is
that
we
need
to
establish
the
compliance
test
and
the
method
of
conducting
that
test,
and
we
need
to
allow
staff
the
time
necessary
to
put
that
into
place
prior
to
the
issuing
of
tickets.
E
H
I
think
that
that
covers
very
well
but
I
would
say.
This
also
does
provide
a
opportunity
for
some
good
education
to
the
community,
about
the
change,
and
so
hopefully,
individuals
that
do
have
modified
Mufflers
understand
that
some
changes
are
coming
and
that
this
would
be
a
great
opportunity
for
them
to
get
them
fixed
and
to
start
working
on
remedying
the
issue
before
fines
start
going
up
and
I
think
that's.
C
C
A
motion
and
a
second
for
Amendment
C
sheet
C,
which
would
delay
the
effective
date
of
this
for
90
days.
Is
there
a
discussion?
E
F
A
A
E
Oops
just
got
kicked
out
of
the
whole
thing.
It's
sure
all
right
mind
if.
C
H
You
so
this
is
amendment
sheet
G.
This
is
actually
an
amendment
to
our
Amendment
and
it
would
change
the
amendment.
Where
is
this?
There's
the
page
not
telling
us
a
page,
but
it
would
change
the
fix
a
ticket
at
talking
about
the
compliance
test
that
says
the
city
manager,
city
managers,
designee
shall
prescribe
the
compliance
test.
Compliance
test
based
on
the
decibel
levels,
as
identified
as
excessive
in
section
10.2-9,
and
a
person
cited
under
this
section.
H
May
rely
on
measured
decibel
levels
from
this
compliance
test
as
an
affirmative
defense
and
challenge
of
a
citation,
and
then
it
deletes
paragraphs
G
and
H
in
their
entire
entirety,
including
the
chart
in
h.
The
reason
for
this
amendment
is
to
really
provide
a
bit
more
flexibility,
there's
a
number
of
different
methods
of
tools
that
we've
started
to
look
at
and
it
allows
the
city
manager
to
to
identify
the
way
that's
going
to
work
best
for
the
city,
but
still
utilizing.
E
To
that
yeah
I'd
just
add
if
I
can
mayor
so
this,
we
had
originally
amended
the
bill
in
the
finance
committee
and
we
had
added
the
decibel
levels
that
are
cited
here
in
section
10.2-9
from
our
noise
ordinance,
and
we
had
also
basically
taken
what's
in
the
noise
ordinance
and.
A
E
Moved
it
over
to
what
we're
changing
here,
which
is
the
uniform
traffic
code,
and
that
and
in
doing
that,
there
is
contemplated
in
there
a
comp,
a
way
of
monitoring
decibel
levels,
and
it
says
you
have
to
be
going
a
certain
speed
and
you
have
to
be
you're
decibel
reader
has
to
be
at
a
particular
location
and
it
it
specifies
a
whole
bunch
of
things
which
actually
are
not
going
to
work
for
the
purposes
that
we
want
in
the
uniform
traffic
code.
E
So
we're
basically
saying
we're
going
to
take
those
decibel
levels,
but
we
need
to
have
the
city
manager
prescribe
the
compliance
test
so
that,
if
you
fix
your
muffler
and
you
want
to
demonstrate
that
you
fixed
it.
Therefore
you
shouldn't
be
fined,
there'll
be
an
appropriate
test
or
if
you
think,
you've
been
wrongly
cited
and
you
want
to
challenge
your
ticket,
we
will
have
the
appropriate
means
to
measure
your
decibel
level.
E
S
Our
counselors
I'm
realizing
that
there's
it
should
just
be
paragraph
H
in
its
entirety
and
I
think
probably
counselor,
cassette
and
I
realized
as
she
was
saying
it,
because
G
is
obviously
there
and
supposed
to
be
there
and,
and
the
reason
there's
not
a
page
number
is
because
this
language
isn't
in
the
original
bill.
It's
only
in
the
amendment.
So
this
is
how
it
gets
very
complicated,
and
that's
why
you
have
two
red
lines
in
your
packet.
S
A
C
There's
a
motion
and
a
second
that
would
change
the
existing
approach
to
decibel
reading
so
that
the
city
manager
or
the
city
managers
designee,
would
develop
a
compliance
test
and
that
a
person
cited
could
rely
on
that
test
as
an
affirmative
defense
in
challenging
the
citation-
and
it
removes
the
language
that
had
been
in
the
bill
that
really
had
a
different
approach
to
doing
the
decibel
test,
because
it
doesn't
apply
to
what
we're
doing
that's
the
motion
in
the
second.
Is
there
a
discussion.
E
Hoping
so,
let's
I'll
withdraw
my
first
motion
draw
so
just
to
be
clear:
I
need
to
first
amend
the
amendment.
That's
in
front
of
us.
C
E
E
E
S
E
Okay,
so
I
will
give
you
give
the
floor
back
to
you
mayor
and
we'll
come
back
to
this.
Thank.
C
You
we'll
come
to
that
Amendment.
We
have
other
amendments
pending.
Why
don't
we
keep
moving?
One
of
the
amendment
sheets
is
amendment
d,
which
is
brought
to
us
count
by
counselors
cassid,
councilman
Bureau
and
Council
Rivera
councilor
Cass
that
you
have
the
floor.
Thank.
H
You
so
much
Mr
Mayor,
so
Amendment
D
is
also
an
amendment
to
our
amendment
that
is
adopted
it
from
Finance
and
it
changes
the
time
period
for
when
a
person
needs
to
come
into
compliance
after
receiving
a
citation
from
60
to
90
days.
This
is
a
proposal
based
on
that.
It
can
sometimes
take
some
time
for
people
to
get
an
appointment.
H
Get
things
fixed
as
well
as
potentially,
if
there
are,
is
a
financial
consideration
for
them
having
to
raise
money
to
fix
their
Muffler,
as
as
we've
discovered
that
fixing
a
muffler
can
cost
upwards
of
two
thousand
dollars
to
give
them
some
more
opportunity
for
that.
But
primarily
we
were
getting
some
reports
that
60
days
in
some
instances
would
not
be
enough
for
an
individual
to
get
an
appointment,
Parts
being
ordered,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
individuals
have
enough
time
to
come
into
compliance.
C
H
E
C
G,
its
cites
paragraph
H
below
so.
E
E
C
H
C
C
F
C
That
brings
us
then,
to
sheet
e,
who
would
like
to
speak
to
Amendment
sheet
E
I.
H
Can
start
sarcastic
so
Amendment?
She
e
takes
the
minimum
fine.
It
will
be
increasing
the
minimum
fine
from
20
for
the
first
offense
from
25
to
a
hundred
dollars
for
a
first
offense.
So
it's
currently
at
25.,
first
offense
will
be
100.
A
second
defense
would
be
250
and
a
third
and
all
subsequent
would
be
500.
H
H
Sorry
this
so
one
of
the
big
challenges
that
we're
trying
to
balance
is
looking
at
how
we
can
make
sure
that
we
are
incentivizing
the
community
to
not
be
engaging
in
behaviors
that
are
really
disruptive,
and
we
recognize
that
they're
very
disruptive-
and
this
is
this-
is
an
issue
or
I'll
speak
for
myself,
that
that
I
do
think
needs
to
be
addressed
and
that
we
need
to
be
looking
for
solutions
for,
however,
for
many
individuals
in
our
community
250
is,
is
a
very
high
fine
and
when
I
was
doing
some
research
around
Behavior
change
and
policy.
H
There's
a
lot
of
research
that
states
that
higher
citations,
given
less
frequently
less
frequently
are
not
as
effective
as
lower
fines,
not
higher
citations,
higher
fines,
lower
fines
with
more
frequent
citations,
so
the
more
Interruption
to
your
life,
the
more
likely
it
is
that
an
individual
is
actually
going
to
change.
H
The
Staffing
levels
of
the
police
department
and
chief
Joy
gave
a
really
really
wonderful
presentation
about
how
this
impacts
the
police
department's
ability
to
continually
to
enforce
traffic,
and
that
you
know
we
we
have
our
bread
and
butter
which
is
Patrol.
We
need
them
on
patrol.
That's,
that's!
The
real
rubber
meets
the
road
safety,
not
to
use
we've
already
used
that
saying
tonight,
but
that
there
really
is
gonna.
H
We're
gonna,
see
this
Improvement
I
think
it's
important
that,
as
we
continue
to
staff
up
the
police
department,
that
we
see
what
impact
that
has
on
this
before
really
jumping
to
a
a
higher
citation.
I.
Also,
just
look
at
it
in
terms
of
what
else
is
stated
in
our
uniform
traffic
ordinance
and
what
those
fines
are
established
and
at
250
I'll
just
pop
over
to
the
bill.
You
know
this.
H
A
loud
car
would
be
a
higher
citation
than
a
number
of
things
that
that
do
you
know,
really
really
present
a
physical
danger
to
individuals
and
so
I
think
the
balance
of
that
looking
at
a
hundred
dollars
an
hour,
a
hundred
dollars,
a
citation
for
that
first
offense
with
a
Fix-It
ticket
only
being
offered
for
that
first
offense.
So
the
other
piece
about
that
Fix-It
ticket
is
that
if
they
don't
take
it
that
first
chance
they're
going
to
have
their
Their
fines
raised
on
them
every
single
time.
H
So
there
really
is
that
incentive
to
to
get
it
taken
care
of
at
that
first,
first,
citation
I
will
pass
the
floor
over
to
my
colleagues
to
talk
about
why
they
sponsored
this
amendment.
Is
it's
not
quite
as
straightforward
as
the
other
one.
J
Thank
you
mayor.
Thank
you,
councilwoman
Kess,
it
just
to
clarify
this
amendment
is
reducing
the
first
offense
to
a
hundred
and
then
the
second
offense
is
250..
H
J
Got
it?
Thank
you,
and
you
know
this
well
I'll
get
into
kind
of
My
overall
thoughts
of
this
bill,
but
I
think
councilwoman
cassette
really
hit
hit
the
point
about
raising
penalties.
It
does
little
for
deterrence,
that's
been
the
research
shows
and
some
of
the
actions
that
we've
taken
on
the
council
we've
actually
reduced
fees
and
fines
for
a
specific
purpose,
and
so
I
think
it's
we're
really
needing
a
different
approach
to
how
we
actually
think
penalties
affect
change.
J
So
I
think
this
is
a
compromise
and
obviously
the
Fix-It
piece
is
the
for
me.
The
really
major
piece
to
my
compromise
for
this
ordinance,
so
I
will
stop
there
and
hand
it
over
to
my
other
colleague.
D
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
councilwoman,
cassid
and
councilwoman
viadel,
summed
it
up
pretty
well
I'll,
give
just
briefly
I
also,
don't
believe
fines
and
fees,
work
and
I
think
they
hit
our
lower
income.
The
people
the
hardest.
If
you
have
to
repair
a
muffler
or
go
to
core
or
pay
court
fees
or
pay
a
citation
a
hundred
dollars.
D
May
May
mean
a
big
difference
to
a
family,
to
a
person
that
is
in
the
lower
income
level
and
and
those
things
are,
are
tough
to
deal
with,
especially
if
you're.
In
that
situation,
I
had
Mr
hibner
break
down
some
numbers
a
little
bit
further
and
we
saw
the
number
of
citations
that
were
given
out
during
the
blitz
but
the
ages
between
50
and
15
and
21.
D
There
were
40
citations
in
the
age
22
through
27
54.,
so
we're
really
looking
at
15
to
27
that
age
group,
that
is,
that
received
a
majority
of
the
citations
previously.
So
that's
really
targeting
a
a
younger
age
group
who
probably
you
know
they
may
have,
may
have
had
the
money
to
modify
the
muffler
or
maybe
they
bought
the
vehicle
like
that.
D
But
but
it's
definitely
a
a
younger
group,
that's
being
targeted
here
and
you
know
that
doesn't
say
anything
about
motorcycles
or
anything
else
that
that
is
going
to
come
out
of
this
so
I.
That's
why
I
signed
on
doing
the
lower
fees.
Thank
you.
C
J
Can
I
add
something?
Yes,
I
did
want
to
add
that
our
initial
fine
for
Muffler
noise
was
25,
and
that
was
also
based
on
what
the
state
had
in
terms
of
their
site,
fees
or
sorry,
Their,
fines
and
I
just
wanted
to.
Let
folks
know
that
the
state
is
planning
on
increasing
or.
J
C
Thank
you.
So
we
have
a
motion
to
accept
this
amendment
that
would
simultaneously
increase
the
fine
from
what
it
is
now
but
decrease
it
from
what
was
proposed
originally.
Is
there
a
discussion?
Councilor
Lindell
you
have
the
floor.
I
Thank
you,
mayor,
well,
I
think
that
councilor
Cassat
said
that
to
put
these
Mufflers
on
or
get
if
you
were
going
to
do
the
fix
a
ticket,
it
might
be
two
thousand
dollars
I.
Think
a
hundred
dollar
fine
really
is
not
realistic
to
affect
any
change.
I,
don't
know
why
we
would
want
to
no
targeting
we're
targeting
loud
mufflers
that
I,
don't
think.
I
I
can
ask
the
assistant
chief
when,
when
you
pull
people
over,
you
don't
have
any
idea
how
old
the
driver
is.
Do
you.
R
Mr
Mr,
Mayor
and
Council
window.
That's
correct.
Most
of
the
time
officers
aren't
aware
of
the
age
of
the
driver.
There
will
be
few
and
far
between
where
they
may
run
the
driver's
the
license
plate
just
because
they
can
and
it's
lawful
to
do
so
to
check.
But
even
then
they
don't
know
the
actual
driver.
It
could
be
anybody
driving
the
vehicle,
not
just
the
registered
owner.
I
I
It'll
create
a
hardship
for
me
if
I
get
picked
up
I,
don't
know
why
we
would
cater
to
this
disruption.
I
The
state
of
I
mean
it's
a
Country-Wide
problem
right
now.
The
state
of
New
York
just
increased
their
find
from
a
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
to
a
thousand.
I
Colorado
they're
violation
is
five
hundred
dollars.
I
I
It
seems
like
we're,
taking
a
very
diluted
pathway
for
this
and
we'll
put
more
pressure
on
the
police
that
you
need
to
pull
people
over
more
than
once,
so
that
we
can
affect
some
change.
The
Fix-It
ticket
is
an
appealing
thing.
However,
if
it's
only
a
hundred
dollar
fine
I,
don't
think
people
are
gonna
change
out
their
mufflers
over
a
hundred
dollar.
Fine
I
think
that
a
hundred
dollars,
the
incentivizes
changing
the
muffler
at
all,
which
the
motivation
for
this
was
to
stop.
Some
of
this
noise
aggravation.
I
I
mean
I
can
see
where
this
is
going.
I,
don't
think
it'll
stop
much.
It
will
put
more
pressure
on
the
police
for
sure,
but
I
don't
think
a
hundred
dollar
fine
is
enough
and
I
think
it
totally
de-incentivizes
the
Fix-It
ticket.
Thank
you
mayor.
L
You
mayor
so
I
am
a
co-sponsor
of
this
bill,
because
I
think
it
has
to
be
addressed.
I
think
part
of
the
power
is
what
we're
doing
already,
and
the
fact
that
we
are
coming
together
and
collaborating
and
hearing
from
the
community
and
working
together
to
say
that
this
is
something
we're
going
to
pay
attention
to.
L
So
even
if
the
fines,
500
or
250,
you
know,
there's
two
amendments
that
are
addressing
fines
right
here,
I
feel
like
either.
What
like
I'm
at
this
point,
I'm
like
honestly,
either
one
is
going
to
serve
the
same
purpose,
because
the
person's
gonna
repeat
until
that
fine
cost
exceeds
the
amount
it
is
to
fix
the
car.
So
I
feel
like
there's
a
level
of
transparency
that
I
just
want
a
voice,
because
I
see
that
being
very
evident.
L
The
debate
is
probably
going
to
be
about
the
fine,
but
I
just
think
it's
very
important
for
the
public
to
realize
that
and
to
have
that
perspective
in
the
fact
that
individuals
aren't
going
to
take
on
that
financial
responsibility
until
they
absolutely
have
to,
and
it's
probably
going
it
could
be,
a
repetition
of
a
hundred
dollar.
Fine,
a
hundred
fifty
dollar,
fine,
a
500
fine,
but
really
the
change
isn't
going
to
happen
until
there's
persistence
and
keeping
on
top
of
the
fact
that
this
is
important
and
we're
paying
attention
to
it.
L
So
the
two
amendments
and
addressing
fines
are
very
difficult
for
me,
because
I
don't
see
the
difference,
I
don't
see
the
difference
because
in
reality,
individuals
are
going
to
have
to
keep
getting
fined
and
they're
going
to
have
to
keep
having
run-ins
with
law
enforcement.
For
the
same
reason,
in
order
for
there
to
be
change-
and
so
I
think
that's
important
for
the
public
to
know,
I
feel
like
that's
very
it's
very
easy
to
see
and
very
apparent
I
hope.
L
The
public
sees
that
the
body
here
put
in
a
lot
of
work
to
really
bring
this
to
the
attention
of
the
people
it
needs
to
whose
radar
it
needs
to
be
on
I'm,
saying
we're
going
to
focus
on
this
and
it's
important
I,
don't
know
actually,
where
I'm
at
with
the
blinds,
because
of
the
fact
that
I
really
feel
like
they
are
going
to
have
little
impact
on
the
change.
L
C
Thank
you.
Counselor
mayor,
we
have
the
councilor,
Lee
Garcia
hasn't
had
a
chance
to
speak
in.
G
Thank
you,
Mary
I,
wanted
to
I
guess,
give
a
little
attention
to
a
comment
that
was
made
in
regards
to
repairing
a
muffler
or
a
Fix-It
ticket
that
would
cost
up
to
two
thousand
dollars.
I,
don't
know
who
said
that,
but
I
heard
it
and
I
don't
necessarily
feel
that
that
is
something
that
is
really
a
good
estimate.
G
G
G
Opposite
view
that
it
would
cost
that
much
to
repair
a
vehicle
back
to
fix
a
ticket,
and
that's
just
my
comment.
Thank.
C
You,
council,
member
worth
you
had
your
hand,
done.
E
Thank
you,
mayor
I,
just
want
to
correct
a
couple
things
so
I
want
to
make
everybody
aware
of
how
spill
71
in
the
state
legislature,
it's
been
introduced
by
Miguel
Garcia.
It
is
relating
to
Motor
Vehicles,
prohibiting
the
alteration
of
Mufflers
on
vehicles
and
providing
a
penalty.
E
I
also
want
to
I
think
this
conversation
gets
us
into.
How
do
we
solve
the
problem?
A
fee
certainly
is
one
one
way
and
one
tool
we
have
currently
it's
25
bucks
for
an
altered,
or
it's
basically,
it's
an
altered,
Muffler
I
believe
and
we're
moving.
This
amendment
would
move
that
to
a
hundred
dollars.
So
that's
if
you
look
at
it
in
a
percentage
ways
wise
it's.
It's
an
increase.
E
I
also
want
to
make
everybody
aware
of
Senate
Bill
48,
which
has
been
introduced
in
the
state
legislature
being
carried
by
our
couple
of
legislators
in
our
Santa
Fe
delegation
that
bill
would
create.
Would
the
state
would
give
Class
A
counties
permission
to
have
vehicle
inspection
programs
and
what
would
happen
there
is
prior
to
your
vehicle
being
registered
with
the
state?
E
You
would
have
to
take
it
and
have
it
pass
a
vehicle,
inspection
or
safety
things,
and
basically
the
bill
will
allow
us
to
do
these
public
to
to
do
these
vehicle
inspections,
and
we
would
do
them
as
a
local
government
and
I
think
this
may
get
more
towards
the
point
of
solving
this
problem,
because
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
register
your
car
with
the
state.
Unless
you,
you
passed
a
variety
of
things
and
we
could
capture
a
whole
bunch
of
things
we
could
capture.
E
You
know
license
plate
covers,
we
could
capture
broken
windshields,
we
could
capture
Tint,
that's
too
dark.
We
could
capture,
altered,
Mufflers,
so
I
think
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
things
that
we
could
do
to
make
Vehicles
more
safe
and
and
and
in
this
particular
instance,
reduce
the
vehicle
noise
problem
that
we're
experiencing
so
again
that
bill
has
just
been
introduced.
I
I
people
who
are
interested
in
this
topic.
E
I
I,
think
it's
a
good
bill
to
follow
both
House
Bill
71,
Senate,
Bill
48
and
that's
all
I
have
mayor.
Thank
you.
H
Thank
you
so
much
Mr
Mayor,
and
so
the
the
number
that
I
got
around
2000.
That
was
from
calling
local,
auto
shops.
Connor
Murphy
did
this
work
for
us
and
it
says
on
the
low
end
150.
H
on
the
high-end
2500.
So
there
is
kind
of
this
wide
range
of
of
what
this
could
look
like,
but
I
think
at
the
end
of
the
day,
councilor
Chavez
is
is
correct,
that
this
is
really
about
repetition
and
the
idea
that
that,
if
they
get
caught
once
you
know
that
they're
going
to
get
caught
again,
and
so
that
there's
going
to
be
this
repeated
offense
for
for
this
and
that
fixing
it
is
going
to
be
less
of
a
burden
on
their
life.
H
You
know
people
that
have
this:
they
like
it
on
their
car.
They
do,
and
so
I
think
that
there
really
has
to
be
a
good
incentive
of
that
there
being
continual
citations
for
people
to
really
understand
that
this
is
going
to
be
something
that
that
they're
going
to
need
to
take
care
of
I.
H
Think
also
that
eventually
it
would
lead
to
people
being
less
willing
to
do
that
and
drive
these
cars
in
the
city
of
Santa
Fe,
because
they'll
feel
that
this
is
something
that
they
will
get
caught
for
doing
people
will
will
do
things
that
they
shouldn't
do
if
they
don't
feel
like
they're
going
to
get
caught
if
they
really
want
to
and
so
again
I
think
one
of
the
best
things
that
we
can
really
do
is
is
continue
to
support
our
Police
Department
with
Staffing
and
and
how
we
can
really
assist
them
in
doing
this
work,
because
it
is,
you
know,
there's
a
lot
and
there
are
a
lot
of
things
on
their
plate,
so
I
think
that's
really
important.
H
H
And
so
you
know
this
is
one
bite
at
the
Apple,
so
to
speak,
and
I
think
that
it's
going
to
take
a
variety
of
different
Solutions
approaches
to
really
address
this,
and
it's
kind
of
like
any
issue
that
you
really
have
to
be
looking
at
it
from
a
from
a
complex
area
of
trying
to
see
kind
of
the
different
ways
that
you
have
to
approach
something,
and
it's
going
to
take
multiple
strategies
for
this
issue.
So
thank
you.
Thank.
C
You
let
me
I'd
like
to
make
a
few
comments
and
then
maybe
we
can
vote
or
unless
other
people
have
more
to
contribute.
I
don't
want
to
cut
off
debate,
but
I
do
want
to
get
in
my
two
cents.
We
do
know
that
cost
and
expense
changes
Behavior.
We
know
it
because
one
of
the
reasons
we
have
an
outstanding
water
conservation
program
is
because
the
price
we
ask
people
to
pay
for
water.
C
There
is
a
direct
correlation
between
how
much
it
costs
to
to
do
a
behavior
and
whether
or
not
you're
willing
to
do
it.
We
know
that
Albuquerque
has
a
500.
Fine,
not
100,
not
250.
The
first
find
in
Albuquerque
is
five
hundred
dollars.
We
know
that
this
is
not
a
Santa
Fe
problem.
It's
not
even
an
American
problem.
If
you
research,
this
Paris
has
passed
new
laws
I
reached
out
to
a
firm
in
England.
That
is
devising
a
new
laser
device
to
do
decibel
testing
that
will
transform
enforcement.
C
It
is
not
purely
an
Enforcement
issue
and
it's
not
purely
a
fine
issue.
It's
a
both
and
issue,
and
we
need
to
put
our
policies
where
they
will
make
the
most
clear
statement
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
for
what
is
a
very
significant
problem.
Yes,
we
need
technology.
Yes,
we
need
more
enforcement,
but
we
as
a
governing
body,
get
to
decide
things
like
what
we
believe
is
an
appropriate
fine
for
a
very
serious
problem
and
I
say
it's
a
serious
problem,
because
I
don't
think
it's
just
about
mufflers.
C
What
I
see
as
mayor
is
that
we're
dealing
with
post
covid,
a
rampant
increase
in
dangerous
and
bad
driving,
and
much
of
it
is
around
speeding
for
which
we
do
have
different
levels
of
citations
and
careless
driving
and
driving.
While,
while
texting
in
last
year,
our
Police
Department
issued
6738
citations
and
we
still
have
streets
and
roads
in
all
parts
of
the
city
where
we
see
very
bad
driving
road
rage,
racing
a
serious
set
of
issues,
and
it
includes
cars
that
are
intentionally
too
loud.
C
It's
it
is,
as
we
heard
from
one
of
our
residents
very
different
from
running
a
red
light
or
speeding.
This
is
something
where
you
go
out
of
your
way
to
create
a
vehicle
that
is
intentionally
noisy
in
in
in
in
the
state
of
New
York,
the
thousand
dollar
fine
they're,
not
targeting
any
particular
group
of
people
they're
targeting
people
whose
cars
are
too
loud
same
in
Paris
same
in
London.
C
We
have
that
problem
too
and
I
think
it's
worse
than
it
has
been
in
the
past
and
I
think
some
of
it
is
coming
out
of
covid.
Some
of
it
is
the
automotive
industry
encouraging
it.
You
can
go
to
your
Ford
dealer
and
if
you
want
a
Ford,
Mustang
GT
for
1250
bucks,
you
can
have
a
package
installed
on
your
vehicle,
with
four
different
noise
settings
from
quiet
to
race
track
and
with
the
push
of
a
button
you
can
be
as
obnoxious
as
you
want
to
be.
That's
not
behavior.
C
That
is
acceptable
and
we
shouldn't
we
shouldn't
advertise
that
we
think
it's
acceptable.
We
should
say
to
the
community.
We
don't
believe
that's
appropriate.
There
will
be
more
enforcement.
If
you
look
at
the
statistics
for
traffic
enforcement
in
the
month
of
January
of
2022
604
citations
going
up
from
432
in
February,
there
is
more
enforcement,
but
enforcement
alone
is
not
the
solution.
It
has
to
be
combined
with
a
a
message
about
the
severity
with
which
we
take
this
problem.
C
We
also
ought
to
be
logical
within
our
own
intent,
so
the
Fix-It
ticket
only
applies
to
the
first
citation.
By
that
logic,
the
first
citation
should
be
more
severe
than
the
second
citation.
If
you
really
want
to
incentivize
Fix-It
ticket
utilization,
the
first
ticket
should
be
250.
The
second
could
be
a
hundred,
but
you
we,
this
proposal
flips
it
and
makes
the
first
ticket
less
than
the
second
ticket,
in
spite
of
the
fact
that
the
Fix-It
ticket
doesn't
apply
to
the
second
ticket,
so
our
own
internal
logic
here
is
not
serving
the
purpose.
C
The
incentive
that
we're
trying
to
create
I
think
there's
a
consensus
on
the
governing
body
that
we
all
see.
This
is
a
problem.
We
all
agree.
It
needs
to
be
addressed.
We
all
believe
enforcement
is
part
of
it.
We
also
think
that
there
are
a
group
of
people
and
it's
not
a
lot
of
people.
There
are
organized
clubs
who
gather
together
to
drive
around
town
to
make
as
much
noise
as
possible.
C
We
ought
to
tell
them
that's
unacceptable,
behavior
and
that,
if
they
want
to
do
it,
they
will
be
fined
enough
to
make
it
clear
that
we
don't
approve
of
it.
We
shouldn't
say
it's:
okay,
we'll
just
keep
finding
you
until
you
get
the
message.
That's
not
really
good
public
policy,
so
I
will
absolutely
vote
for
this
bill.
I
think
you
all
have
worked
hard
on
making
it
better.
I
do
think.
C
The
one
area
where
we
disagree
is
whether
a
lower
first
fine
is
going
to
be
more
send
a
more
a
clear
message
than
a
higher
first
fine
I'm
in
the
group
that
says,
if
we
make
a
statement
the
first
time
we
may
not
have
to
make
a
second
statement.
C
K
D
C
C
S
C
Council
Lindell
is
having
all
right
cover
your
right
eye
and
see.
If
you
can,
can
you
do
it?
Can
you
read
it
out
loud
to
us
because
we
believe
what
that
you
changed
it,
but
it
says,
delete
on
point
two.
It
now
reads:
delete
now:
I
can't
read
it
if
you
would
I'm
not
thank
you
delete
paragraph
H
in
its
entirety,
including
the
chart,
so
we've
gotten
rid
of
any
reference
to
paragraph
G
move.
E
C
Counselor
cassid
has
the
second.
Is
there
a
discussion
of
this
amendment
Madam
clerk?
Can
you
call
the
roll.
F
F
And
then
we
reintroduced
it
to
amend
the
item,
so
I
still
have
a
motion
and
a
second
on
the
floor
from
the
time
that
we
amended
it,
and
then
we
put
it
on
hold
so
that
we
could
put
it
up
so
I'm,
happy
I.
The
original
one
I
had
was
counselor
cassette
with
emotion
and
counselor
Merrell
worth
with
a
second
but
I'm,
happy
to
yeah.
F
C
A
C
C
D
Thank
you,
mayor,
I've
heard
several
people
up
here
at
some
point
say
that
they
all
that
we
all
think
this
is
a
problem.
I,
don't
think
this
is
an
issue.
I
live
on,
Airport
Road
I
hear
maybe
cars
for
10
seconds
with
a
lot
of
mufflers,
and
then
they
stop
or
or
they're
out
of
a
noise
level.
There's
a
vehicle,
that's
close
to
my
house.
It
starts
there.
D
The
Mustang
starts
up
about
6
30
and
makes
noise
for
a
few
minutes
and
then
they're
gone
and
that's
to
go
along
with
the
noise
from
the
flight
that
goes
at
it
6
or
6
30
in
the
morning,
the
first
flight
to
Dallas
and
then
my
neighbor
lets
their
dog
out
around
the
same
time.
So
you
know
that
could
be
sometimes
up
to
15
minutes.
So
the
car
with
a
loud
muffler
for
me,
is
the
shortest
amount
of
time
along
with
the
flight.
D
I
feel
like
our
Police
Department
have
much
more
important
things
to
do
right
now,
especially
since
they're
still
15
people
short
I,
believe
that's
the
last
number
I
heard
then
to
go
around
chasing
people
with
loud
mufflers.
I.
Think.
There's
a
lot
of
other
things:
they
can
do.
I
supported
the
Amendments
because
it
makes
a
stronger
bill
and
I
believe
this
is
going
to
pass.
So
that's
why
I
voted
on
those.
D
Lastly,
I
remember
a
time
here
in
Santa,
Fe
I
grew
up
here,
just
a
couple
blocks
from
here
and
all
growing
up.
We
used
to
cruise
along
Riverside
car
by
car
side
by
side
talking
to
each
other,
exchanging
friendlies.
Unless
they
were
from
Santa
Fe
High,
then
we
went
the
other
way
around
cruising
around
the
plaza
and
everybody.
D
If
you
had
a
loud
car,
you
wanted
people
here,
and
people
thought
it
was
cool,
and
that
was
the
way
things
were
and
slowly
but
surely
things
change
and
people
come
in
and
and
other
people
move
out
and
and
things
are
different,
things
are
different,
now
I
get
it,
but
that
was
a
cultural
thing
for
me
growing
up
again,
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
it
and
I.
You
know,
I
still
think.
D
There's
gonna
be
an
issue
with
motorcycle
clubs,
which
I
did
hear
from
that
were
not
in
favor
of
this
there's
Harley
Davidson
clubs
that
are
out
there
that
feel
like
this
puts
them
in
Jeopardy.
There's
the
car
clubs
that
are
out
there
that
have
reached
out
to
me
that
said
that
they're
against
it,
some
of
their
vehicles
I
think,
will
be
allowed
because
of
of
the
years
that
their
vehicles
are,
but
there's
some
that
are,
that
may
be
in
Jeopardy.
D
So
a
really
tough
thing,
I
think
for
for
some
people
in
the
community.
Clearly
they're
going
to
have
to
do
whatever
the
law
says,
but
I
really
don't
have
a
problem
with
with
the
vehicles
now
racing.
All
that
other
stuff,
which
should
be
illegal,
should
be
dealt
with,
but
the
noise
itself
I
don't
have
a
problem.
Thank.
C
K
You
Mr
Mayor
DC,
Champlin,
quick
question
for
you.
Given
we've
had
a
lot
of
talk
about
enforcement,
which
then
comes
on
the
shoulders
of
you
and
your
team.
During
the
committee
process,
you
had
talked
about
researching
noise
cameras,
in
particular,
I
think
what
was
going
on
in
New
York
Etc.
We
had
somebody
testify
earlier
that
Albuquerque
was
looking
into
it.
Could
you
help
provide
an
update
to
us
where
the
city
might
be
moving
in
a
direction?
Utilizing
tools
such
as
these?
K
R
Mr
Mayor
and
councilor
Garcia,
so
I've
spoke
with
an
individual.
His
name
misses
me
right
now,
he's
starting
he's
a
PhD
Professor
out
at
UNM
and
he's
starting
a
side.
Business
called
not
allowed
and.
R
Project
in
Albuquerque,
as
we
speak,
he
offered
to
do
that
also
in
Santa
Fe.
His
original
offer
wasn't
anything
that
was
written.
It
was
kind
of
disorganized
a
little
bit.
I
asked
him
for
a
a
contract
or
an
agreement
of
some
type.
It
kind
of
went
back
and
forth
and
I
do
have
an
updated
version
of
that.
R
Very
familiar
with
or
vetted
his
company
in
any
way
shape
or
form,
so
I
just
want
to
be
very
transparent
about
that,
and.
A
K
Thank
you
for
that.
So
then
that
gets
my
second
question
regarding
enforcement.
If
we
don't
have
a
tool,
such
as
a
noise
camera,
how
do
you
anticipate
you
and
your
team
ensuring
that
this
is
enforced,
because
should
this
pass
tonight
I
think
that's
going
to
be
the
expectation
from
the
community
that
the
noise
is
going
to
stop
I
mean.
K
Can
you
help
us
set
some
expectations
for
the
community
regarding
how
this
gets
implemented?
How
challenging
it
might
be
to
actually
enforce
what
we're
approving
tonight
Etc
any
any
Insider
guidance
you
have.
R
It's
a
Mr,
Mayor
and
counselor,
it's
a
complicated
topic
and
it's
complicated
to
enforce,
but
it's
a
quality
of
life
issue.
So,
as
we've
spoken
before
in
other
committees,
the
priorities.
U
R
Calls
and
calls
for
service
come
first
and
how
those
are
prioritized.
Naslow's
rollout.
Our
staffing
is
increasing,
just
a
correct
or
offer
an
Insight
either
to
councilora.
It's
19
vacancies
right
now,
not
15.
14.
U
R
Those
are
on
patrol
so
with
the
14
vacancy
there.
You
know
our
our
focus
is
calls
for
service,
but
we
do
get
complaints
and
I
was
actually
caught
off
guard
a
little
bit.
Council
Rivera
that
your
neighborhood
or
in
your
area.
It's
not
a
bad,
because
I
could
that's
where
we
get.
R
Complaints
from
too
is
Airport
Road
in
that
area
specifically,
but
as
well
as
complaints
come
in,
we
try
to
focus
our
efforts
there,
as
we
can,
with
either
overtime
efforts
or
volunteer
efforts
where
we
will
assign
people
to
want
to
go
and
run
traffic.
We
call
it
to
particular
areas
during
their
shift.
Take
a
break
from
calls
from
service,
so
reinforcement
I,
see
once
this
passes,
we'll
do
a
training
in
our.
R
R
K
Just
wanted
the
community
to
have
expectations
in
regards
to
how
we
move
forward
with
this
because
yeah,
if,
if
the
noise
doesn't
stop
on
the
91st
day,
does
that
mean
we're
unsuccessful?
Are
we
going
to
be
looking
at
six
months
down
the
road
one
year
down
the
road
Etc
and
if
and
if
things
haven't
changed,
then
I
think
we
take
another
bite
at
the
Apple
to
figure
out?
How
do
we
ultimately
address
these
problems
that
are
occurring
in
our
community
I'm.
R
A
R
Are
very
willing
to
change
it,
so
I
look
forward
to
both
as
far
as
what's
going
to
be
coming
with
technology
as
far
as
the
cameras,
the
potential
for
that
and
what
we
might
see
coming
out
of
even
like
the
UK,
like
the
mayor
mentions,
they
have
some
great
technology
over
there
as
well,
as
you
know,
to
bring
up
our
enforcement.
The
department,
as
our
staffing
increases.
K
C
They're
clear
Mr
Mayor.
Thank
you.
Let
me
just
I
while
you're
there,
sir
I
appreciate
you
being
here
tonight.
First
of
all,
there's
some
things
we
have
done
in
the
past.
We
not
only
with
regard
to
noise
but
General,
ad
driving
behavior.
The
department
announces
when
there's
frequently
going
to
be
a
blitz
of
one
kind
or
another,
and
that
notification
alone
often
changes
people's
behavior.
There
are
targeted
areas
where
you
know,
as
you
just
said,
there's
a
higher
frequency
of
violation.
C
So
I
don't
think
anybody
should
have
the
expectation
that,
on
the
day
91
the
city
achieves
new
levels
of
quiet,
but
the
department
has,
as
you've
said,
the
Innovative
capacity
to
deploy
resources
in
a
in
a
focused
way
to
achieve
desired
outcomes,
and
that's
something
that
I'm
sure
you
all
will
be
discussing.
Assuming
this
were
to
become
law.
C
Yes,
sir
and
I
also
think
you
know,
as
we
medit,
and
can
consider
how
long
the
journey
has
been.
As
you
started
us
with
this
is
how
change
happens.
You
start
with
what
you
can
do
if
we
could
make
it
better,
we'll
make
it
better.
If
we
can
add
new
resources,
we'll
add
them
I
hope
we
can
add.
Not
just
noise
technology
I
hope
we
can
Implement
speed
Vans
at
some
point
again.
We
talked
about
it.
Albuquerque
has
them.
They
help
reduce,
speeding
and
bad
driving.
They
are
a
force
multiplier
for
any
Police
Department.
C
Regardless
of
how
many
vacancies
you
have.
Technology
is
a
really
useful
tool
for
changing
driving
behavior.
So
we'll
look
at
that
too.
The
folks
in
that
I
spoke
to
in
in
the
UK
are
optimistic
that
their
their
laser
tool
will
be
on
the
market
in
a
year.
That
would
make
these
decibel
readings
very
simple
and
very
specific
to
each
vehicle.
You
don't
do
a
drive
it
does
it's
not
a
car
going
by
that
you
guess
which
one's
the
loud
one
you
point
the
the
laser
and
you
get
a
reading.
C
So
it
tells
me
this
is
a
problem
everywhere
and
it
is
a
problem
because
cars
have
changed
and
tolerance
for
bad
behavior
is
not.
People
will
not
accept
it
anymore.
So
I
don't
want
to
put
the
burden
all
on.
You
I
think
it's
up
to
us
to
send
a
message
to
the
community
and
to
our
constituents
that
we
actually
do
think
this
is
a
serious
issue
and
we
will
help
help.
You
help
us.
G
Thank
you,
mayor
I,
you
know
listening
to
two
people
here,
testifying
listening
to
very
many
citizens
of
our
city.
I
think
do
recognize
how
much
of
I
guess
you
could
say
an
issue
we
do
have
with
noise
and
I
keep
on
going
back
to
just.
That
is
that
we
have
an
issue
with
our
noise
ordinances
where
I
do
take.
You
know
talking
to
many
people
that
have
reached
out
to
me
as
well.
G
G
One
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
has
been
raised
is
is
how
culturally
vehicles
are
important
to
certain
groups
of
people
and
and
I
go
back
to
looking
at
what
we're
doing
here
and
how
does
it
identify
a
certain
group
of
people
and
I
I
do
see
that
make
no
excuse
for
for
being
obnoxious,
make
no
excuse
for
running
past
somebody's
house
at
two
o'clock
in
the
morning.
I
think
that's
unacceptable!
I
feel
that
there
is
definitely
something
that
needs
to
be
done.
G
Listening
to
to
to
to
many
people
and
people
who
have
reached
out
to
to
me,
you
know
some
of
the
key
words
that
stand
out:
disruptive
behavior
behaviors
that
are
disruptive,
dangerous,
driving,
stop
aggressive
driving
and
all
these
things
are
very,
very
important
to
to
minimize,
because
again,
that's
Public,
Safety,
I
I.
Listen
to
to
your
comments
in
regards
to
quality
of
life
and
I.
Think
everybody
should
be,
should
have
a
good
quality
of
life.
G
I
do
see
where
again
young
folks,
who
are
car
guys
a
lot
of
times,
fines
I,
don't
care
what
they
are
thousand
dollars
there
more
than
likely
not
going
to
abide
by
this,
and
we
put
them
in
a
situation
to
to
be
in
in
the
system
now
I
guess
so
to
speak.
Who
finds
through
going
to
court?
You
know:
are
they
gonna
fix
their
cars?
Probably
not,
and
they
might
again.
G
We
don't
know
what's
going
to
happen
until
we
actually
do
something
about
this
I
go
back
to
to
growing
up
and
thinking.
Yes,
we
are
New
Mexico.
We
are
Santa
Fe,
we're
Espanola,
we're
low
rider
clubs.
We
are
Harley-Davidson
people
and
Loud
pipe
saves
lives
and,
and
those
unintended
consequences
for
me
for
this
are
are
troubling.
G
You
know,
I
hear
New,
York
I,
hear
Colorado
I
hear
Los
Angeles
I
hear
Paris
I
hear
London.
We
are
not
none
of
them.
We
are
in
Santa,
Fe,
New,
Mexico
and
so
I
I
don't
agree
with
the
way
certain
individuals
are
abusing
the
noise
and
I
go
back
to
say:
okay,
is
it
mufflers?
Is
it
straight
pipes?
G
We
already
have
all
these
on
the
books
and
so
I
do
get
the
increases
in
fines,
but
I
think
it
has
a
very
big
potential
to
catch
a
certain
group
of
people
who
aren't
doing
some
of
these
things
intentionally
and
and
that
part
of
it
I
have
you
know,
I
have
issue
with,
and
so
you
know,
I
commend
everybody
and
the
hard
work
that
they've
done
on
this
and
I
do
appreciate
it,
but
I
think
from
those
those
perspectives.
G
I.
Don't
think
that
I
necessarily
support
increasing
these
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
we
can
do
to
to
minimize
this
and
again
enforcement
been
reiterated
time
and
time
again.
What
level
of
enforcement
are
we
going
to
be
able
to
do
as
a
police
department
when
you're
out
there
fighting
the
bad
guys?
You
know
keeping
our
community
safe
and
you
know
I
I
I,
just
hope
that
we
do
find
some
a
solution
to
this
and
I
think
again
it
is
going
to
pass
tonight
for
what
we
are
doing.
G
But
those
are
those
are
my
concerns
and
you
know
how
do
we?
How
do
we
even
qualify
what's
loud
without
identifying
decibel
readers
or
cameras
or
so
on
and
so
forth?
You
know:
do
we
go
into
creating
quiet
zones
or
quiet
times?
We
already
have
a
noise
ordinance.
You
know
it's
from
Seven,
I,
think
from
10
o'clock
to
7
A.M,
and
so
you
know,
I
do
I,
I
just
think
that
targeting
Vehicles,
which
are
being
used
to
do
this
is
kind
of
the
wrong
way
to
do
it.
G
But
that's
just
my
perspective
and
I
appreciate
all
the
work
that's
been
done
here.
J
May
I
be
brief:
I
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
think
we
recognize.
This
has
been
a
problem
for
various
reasons.
I
personally
have
felt
like
Speed
Racing
down
major
streets
in
the
middle
of
the
night
has
been
the
bigger
issue
and
it's
not
necessarily
connected
to
Mufflers.
J
However,
we
we
know
and
I
live
in
an
area
where
I
hear
this
consistently
and
very
late
at
night,
so
I
guess
what
I?
What
was
hard
for
us
and
I
appreciate
that
we
took
the
time
to
do
what
we
did
all
of
us
working
on
it
to
find
an
equitable
solution,
and
that's
been
the
hard
part
for
I.
J
Think
many
of
us
I
think
the
research
that
councilwoman
cassette
and
councilwoman
rometto
worked
did
for
the
fix
it
option
is
what
helped
me
to
be
able
to
feel
a
little
bit
better
about
this
change.
I
think
that's
an
equitable
way
to
to
look
at
this
and
I.
Think
that
there's
a
lot
of
things
in
here.
That's
you
know
stuck
those
of
us
that
felt
like
the
fee.
J
The
first
fee
should
be
lower
and
that's
one
thing,
but
there's
a
lot
of
other
modifications
in
here
like
telling
you
know
we
didn't
change
anything,
anyone
that
sells
or
offers
to
sell
or
install
a
modified,
Muffler,
they're,
gonna
I,
don't
know
how
they're
gonna
be
penalized,
but
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
be
allowed
to
do
that.
So
that's
a
pretty
big
solution
and
some
people's
eyes
I
think
that's
a
big
change,
so
I
just
want
to
point
that
out.
There's
a
lot
of
things
in
this.
J
What
was
the
original
amendments
are
still
in,
so
you
know
I'm
willing
to
find
this
compromise.
I
didn't
feel
great
about
this
at
the
beginning,
and
you
know
there's
still
things
really
that
I'm
still
concerned
about
that.
My
colleagues
brought
up
but
I
think
it
really
comes
down
to
enforcement
and
then
also
the
communication
aspect
of
how
we're
going
to
let
folks
know
about
this
change,
including
folks
that
do
this
for
a
living,
so
yeah
I'll
be
interested
to
see
how
that
rolls
out
in
the
next
90
days.
Thank
you.
C
Else
the
comments
are
grateful
to
everybody.
Madam
clerk.
You
want
to
call
the
role
on
the
bill
as
amended.
G
F
P
C
F
2022-53-5536-Appl
of
case
number,
2022-5189
Dash
hdrb
a
pill
by
Heidi
and
John
mullikin
of
the
historic
District's
review
board's
denial
of
a
proposal
to
reconstruct
a
yard
wall
on
a
property
at
330,
Don
cabarro
place
in
the
Don
Gasper
area,
historic
neighborhood,
historic
district,
I'm,
sorry,
Frank
ruler
believe
our
assistant,
City
attorney,
is
available
for
this
item.
C
Okay,
let
me
run
through
the
process
we're
going
to
use,
so
everybody
knows
how
this
hearing
will
proceed.
First,
as
we
do
with
all
land
use
cases
I'll
remind
everyone.
We
are
treating
this
in
a
quasi-judicial
manner.
If
anyone
on
the
governing
body
has
had
any
pre-hearing
Communications
that
make
it
impossible
for
them
to
be
fair
and
impartial,
please
say
so
now
and
recuse
yourself,
yes,
ma'am.
E
I
have
spoken
with
the
appellants
with
staff
about
this
case
when
the
appellants,
my
constituents
first
had
this
issue
a
year
ago,
and
they
were
trying
to
navigate
getting
information
from
the
city,
understanding
the
city's
processes,
understanding
what
they
needed
to
do
to
get
information
about
their
situation
and
I
am
as
a
result
of
extensive
conversations
with
staff
and
emails
with
my
constituents
I'm
going
to
recuse.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you
for
bringing
that
to
light,
we'll
come
find
you
assuming
we're
getting
this
done,
we'll
come
back,
that's
very
good
and
anyone
else
who's
had
that
experience.
Yes,
counselor
Garcia.
You
too.
K
Yeah,
thank
you.
Mr
Mayor
I've
had
conversations
with
the
appellants
and
staff,
but
I
don't
believe.
My
interpretation
of
applying
to
law
would
be
skewed.
I'd
like
to
seek
advice
from
our
City
attorney
in
the
matter.
K
S
Thank
you,
River
counselor.
If
you
feel
you
can
make
a
fair
and
impartial
decision
on
this
case,
there's
no
requirement
that
you're
accused
there's
also
the
consideration
of
whether
a
reasonable
Observer
would
believe
that
you
are
able
to
do
so
as
well.
So,
basically,
if
you
think
there's
any
sort
of
situation
putting
the
choice
of
the
governing
body
at
risk,
that
would
be
a
consideration.
I
have
not
seen
any
of
your
Communications,
so
you
know
better
than
anyone,
but
the
substance
of
them
was.
K
C
You
councilor
I
think
it's
a
good
precaution.
I,
don't
know
your
case
situation
either,
but
I
always
think
airing
on
the
side
of
caution
is
a
good
item
and
a
good,
a
good
practice,
so
I
respect
that
totally
anyone
else
who
has
put
themselves
in
a
situation
where
they
have
in
effect
too
much
information
to
before
outside
the
the
hearing.
C
What
we'll
do
then,
is
we'll
start
with
a
summary
of
the
staff
report
for
up
to
10
minutes.
We'll
then
go
to
an
opening
statement
and
sworn
witness
testimony
from
the
appellant
and
the
appellant
can
take
up
to
20
minutes.
We'll
have
sworn
public
comment
governing
body
will
be
able
to
ask
questions
of
Staff
of
the
appellant
of
other
Witnesses.
Anyone
testifying
to
facts
must
be
sworn
and
then
we
will
have
close
of
the
hearing.
Once
it's
closed,
we
have
to
have
another
motion
to
reopen
it.
So
ask
your
questions.
C
While
it's
open
after
the
hearing
has
been
closed,
I'll
entertain
a
motion
and
a
second
on
whether
to
Grant
or
deny
the
appeal
and
people,
whoever
makes
those
motions
should
State
your
reasoning
for
the
record
as
to
why
you
are
either
opposing
or
supporting
the
appeal
and
then
we'll
deliberate
and
vote
with.
That
said,
let's
begin
with
the
staff
report,
if
you
can
Frank,
if
you
can
do
this
in
10
minutes
or
so
that'd
be
great.
A
W
U
W
Wall
at
3,
30,
Don,
cadero
place
the
property
owners
took
down
the
Latias
all
the
way
around
the
front
yard
when
they
found
it
necessary
to
create
an
opening
in
the
stucco
wall.
To
so
Earth
moving
equipment
could
access
a
sewer
line
on
the
property
and
when
they
were
replacing
the
Matias,
a
city
inspector
issued
a
red
tag
or
a
stop
order
prohibiting
them
from
recreating
what
was
what
the
city
feared
was
a
non-conforming
structure.
W
As
you
know,
there
are
these
five
historic
districts
in
the
city
of
Santa
Fe,
we're
looking
at
the
Don
Gaspar
area,
historic
district
in
the
southwest
corner
and
in
the
southwest
corner
of
that
district.
There
is
a
one
block
street
called
Don
cabarro
place,
which
runs
East
and
West.
It
is
we're
looking
at
the
Block
there
that
the
subject
property
is
on
the
Don
cubero
Place
lines
up
with
a
300
block
of
other
streets
that
run
east
and
west
parallel
to
Don
Cabrero
place.
W
W
The
donkey
Barrel
place
is
intersected
by
a
street
called
blacksmith
alley
and
that's
the
subject:
property
we're
looking
at
there,
330
Don
Cabrero
place
we're
going
to
take
a
look
at
the
site
plan
for
this
for
this
property
here
this
is
oriented
properly,
with
North
to
the
top
and
West
to
the
left,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
on
its
side.
So
we
can
see
it
in
a
little
bit
more
detail
here.
W
So
as
a
result
of
the
buildings
being
set
so
far
back
I've
highlighted
in
yellow
there,
the
very
large
front
yard
that
these
property
owners
have-
and
this
is
the
area
that
was
surrounded
by
the
latia
extension
to
the
stucco
yard
wall.
They
do
have
a
small
backyard
area
as
well
as
a
yard
to
the
side.
So
there's
outdoor
spaces
both
to
the
South
and
to
the
West
and
the
walls
that
are
toward
the
back
of
the
property
are
not
an
issue
here.
W
The
code
doesn't
apply
to
them
as
it
does
to
the
walls
that
front
Don
Cabrero
place,
since
these
Latias
have
been
taken
down
across
the
top
of
the
stucco
yard
wall.
What
I
have
to
show
you
are
some
Google
street
images,
there's
the
stucco
yard
wall,
there's
the
latia
topper
or
the
coyote
fence
topper,
and
there's
three
images
of
it
and
I'm
going
to
turn
to
this
image.
Here.
What
you
see
is
the
driveway
going
into
the
garage
there
at
that
address.
W
The
front
yard
wall
separates
the
front
yard
from
their
driveway
from
the
property
owner's
driveway
and
the
stucco
yard
wall
was
likely
original
to
the
house,
which
was
the
1930s
there's
no
dispute
about
the
stucco
part
of
the
yard
wall.
But
the
dispute
is
about
a
one
and
a
half
to
two
foot
wooden
extension,
which
we
believe
was
likely
added
to
the
stucco
base
in
the
late
1990s
or
early
2000s.
W
It's
a
stucco
part
of
the
Iron
Wall,
roughly
averages
between
four
and
four
and
a
half
feet,
but
the
stucco,
rather
the
latia
or
coyote
fence
extension
to
the
stucco
wall
is
about
one
and
a
half
to
two
feet,
making
that
in
the
hole
about
six
feet
tall
and
that's
where
the
non-conformity
lies,
we
are
not
disputing
the
design
of
the
yard
wall
and
the
latia
topper.
You
see
those
in
several
voices
in
the
Don
Gaspar
area,
historic
district.
W
It
is
simply
the
height
of
the
yard
wall
that
is,
creates
the
non-conformity,
yard
walls
and
people
ask
what's
the
height
limitation
for
yard
walls,
where
there's
no
specific
number,
the
yard
walls
and
fences
are
limited
to
a
height
that
does
not
exceed
the
average
of
the
height
of
other
yard
walls
and
fences
on
the
streetscape.
Now
streetscape
is
a
term
of
art,
that's
defined
in
the
code
and
all
of
these
sections
of
the
code
are
attached
to
a
syllabus
which
is
an
addendum
to
the
city
attorney's
office
member.
W
So
if
you
want
to
see
the
exact
text
of
these
code,
sections
you're
welcome
to
look
at
some
of
this.
Under
the
historic
District's
code
of
streetscape
includes
buildings,
yard
walls
and
fences
on
both
sides
of
the
street
for
a
distance
of
600
feet,
measured
from
the
midpoint
of
the
street
facing
facade
or
the
proposed
building
yard
wall
in
both
directions
parallel
to
the
street.
Now
there
are
some
places
where
it's
impossible
to
measure
600
feet
because,
like
for
example,
with
John
cabarro
plays
that
street
is
only
one
block
long.
W
So
there
are
specific
provisions
of
the
code
that
address
that.
If
a
street
Escape
is
truncated
by
an
intersecting
block
before
the
600
feet
is
measured,
the
streetscape
includes
all
buildings
up
to
and
including
those
which
front
the
intersection,
and
the
code
actually
gives
us
this
sort
of
diagram
of
how
you
would
measure
a
one
block
streetscape,
where
there
it
is
truncated
by
intersecting
blocks.
W
And
if
you
compare
that
diagram
to
Don
cabeiro
place.
There's
the
subject:
property,
330,
Don
Cabrero
place
and
the
streetscape
is
that
area
that
I've
highlighted
in
yellow
there.
W
This
is
a
calculation
that
the
inspector
has
done
to
the
streetscape.
He
takes
two
measurements
of
yard
walls
at
every
house
in
the
defined
streetscape
and
I've
noted
it
with
that
blue
outline
there.
His
calculations
are
up
there
in
the
upper
left
corner
and
what
he
finds
is
that
taking
those
measurements
and
averaging
them
out
the
average
height
of
a
yard.
Long
on
that
streetscape
is
four
feet
two
inches,
so
we're
talking
about
stuck
a
yard
wall
with
a
live
key
extension
that
makes
it
six
feet
tall.
W
Just
to
show
you
that
Don
cubero
place
is
not
an
anomaly
in
the
Angus
Bar
area,
historic
district.
This
is
the
streetscape
of
Don
cadero
Avenue,
which
is
the
north
south
street,
which
intersects
John
Cabrero
place
to
the
West,
that
yellow
highlighted
areas
of
Don
cabeiro
place,
the
taking
the
average
of
yard
walls
in
the
streetscape.
The
inspectors
calculated
that
at
four
feet,
six
inches,
so
there's
probably
only
a
four
inch
difference
when
you
take
into
account
a
600
foot
stretch
of
a
streetscape
in
in
the
near
vicinity.
W
W
But
what
we're
looking
at
here
is
a
historic
building
inventory
that
was
done
and
these
historic
building
inventories
are
done
so
that
the
historic
districts
maintain
their
registry
with
a
national
register
of
historic
places
with
the
Department
of
the
interior
and,
as
you
can
see
here,
there's
a
photo
of
the
yard
wall
on
the
east
side
of
the
front
yard
doesn't
have
the
latia
Toppers
on
it
in
the
inventory
that
was
done
in
1995
and
and
here
on
the
front
page
of
this
inventory,
you
can
see
that
that
was
inventory
was
done
in
May
1995.
W
There's
no
indication
those
latia
Toppers
were
on
the
stucco
yard
wall.
We're
going
to
turn
to
the
second
page
of
that
hippie
report
and
zoom
in
there's
the
wall
that
separates
the
front
yard.
On
the
west
side
from
the
driveway
going
into
the
garage
there,
you
can
see
no
latia
Toppers
on
that
type
of
yard
wall
and
then
there's
a
description
of
the
architectural
elements
that
you
see
on
the
third
page
of
the
1995
Hickory
and
those
photos
aren't
helpful
to
us
because
they
don't
show
the
yard
wall.
W
There
was
also
a
hick
be
done
in
1982
that
photo
wasn't
helpful
to
us
because
it's
pretty
obscure
and
I
think
it
was
taken
inside
the
the
yard
wall.
But
if
you
take
a
look,
you
can
see
this
was
done
in
August
1982
and
there
you
see
a
reference
to
a
four
foot:
stucco
wall,
but
no
reference
to
any
kind
of
wooden
element
to
that
stucco
wall.
W
So
we're
fairly
certain
that
the
coyote
fence
was
added
to
that
yard,
while
sometime
after
the
1995
pick
the
inventory
and
if,
under
this
provision,
the
Santa
Fe
city
code,
if
a
building
in
the
historic
district
doesn't
meet
standards
for
architectural
style,
it
is
considered
to
be
non-conforming
what
happens
to
a
non-conforming
element
of
a
of
a
structure
if
it
is
removed
or
taken
down
or
destroyed.
W
That's
what
the
stucco
yard
wall
looks
like
now
without
the
latia
extension.
That
is
the
condition
more
or
less
that
our
inspector
observed
it
when
the
Reconstruction
project
was
underway
and
he
issued
a
stopped
work
order
and
there's
your
decision
tree,
which
I
can
go
over
later
on.
If
you
wish
me
to
do
that,
thank
you
for
your
attention,
mayor,
Weber
and
Council.
Thank.
C
You
appreciate
the
presentation
we
turn
now
to
the
appellant.
We
will
welcome
a
presentation
of
up
to
20
minutes.
If
you
can
do
that
and
I
believe
you
need
to
be
sworn
by
our
city
clerk
and
anyone
who
will
be
testifying
from
the
appellant
team
should
just
get
sworn
in
as
well.
A
X
X
P
X
Q
X
On
this
issue
continues
to
work
on
this
issue,
he's
also
the
the
aid
the
agent
on
appeal
for
the
appellants
I'll
start
with
my
opening
statement,
and
if
we
have
time
to
get
to
testimony
we'll
do
that,
if
not
we
won't
I.
Suppose
I
would
like
to
begin
with
a
brief
quote.
It's
comment
coming
from
the
city,
attorney's
memorandum,
at
page,
seven,
eight
I,
don't
think
this
is
quoting
any
law
or
anything.
X
If
a
project
applicant
can
adequately
document
the
need
for
a
departure
from
them,
and
we
acknowledge
that
the
applicant's
appellants
have
the
burden
of
proof
before
you
tonight,
but
this
clearly
indicates
your
ability,
as
well
as
the
ability,
the
ability
of
the
review
board
to
Grant
a
variance
or
an
exception
when
circumstances
are
appropriate,
we
submit
that,
if
there's
ever
a
case
for
appropriate
circumstances,
this
is
it.
P
X
The
city
had
improperly
located
the
sewer
line
and
it
was
on
the
other
side
of
the
house.
Ultimately,
it
was
replaced
without
any
disruption
or
disturbance
of
any
portion
of
the
house
and
certainly
not
the
wall.
The
point
is
the
entire
reason
that
we're
here
tonight
is
that
a
wall
was
removed.
Based
upon
what
the
city
said,
the
location
was,
and
it
wasn't
there
if
that
had
not
happened,
that
initial
Mistake
by
the
city
of
Santa
Fe,
we
would
not
be
here
today.
We
wouldn't
have
this.
P
X
X
U
X
P
X
Similar
fences
and
Walls
Within,
the
district,
the
dawn
guest,
Park
District-
that's
relevant,
but
it's
really
important
here,
because
it
clearly
shows
that
Miss
ortegarai
I'm
sure
without
intent,
made
misrepresentations
to
the
board
on
two
two
important
issues.
The
first
one
was
whether
or
not
this.
X
X
Or
a
non-contributing
residence
it
is
in
fact
non-contributing
and
the
historic
building
inventory
that
Mr
rubalid
just
had
on
the
screen
says
at
the
the
very
first
page.
Of
course
this
was
in
1995
the
re-survey.
This
was
done.
The
very
first
page
bottom
right
hand
corner
says:
is
this
building
contributing
or
non-contributing
it's
non-contributing
the.
A
C
C
Or
we
can
roll
that
screen,
oh
you're,
doing
great
Christine.
Thank
you.
X
X
Interestingly,
though,
as
you
go
down
a
little
further,
the
where
it's
marked
410,
which
is
four
minutes
10
seconds
on
the
tape,
one
of
the
board
members
specifically
stated
the
house
is
contributing
was:
is
the
wall
designated
as
contributing
the
response?
Was
it's
a
contributing
structure
that
was
also
an
accurate,
and
that
shows
that
the
board
was
interested
in
that
issue
and
and
wanted
to
know,
and
therefore,
presumably
included
that
inaccurate
fact
within
their
deliberations.
X
Miss
border
gray
indicated
that
the
neighborhood
is
predominantly
low
walls.
All
of
the
yard
walls
are
low,
except
for
the
one
next
door.
X
Now
she
didn't
Define
what
neighborhood
meant
at
that
time,
but
it
seems
pretty
clear
that
the
relevant
geographical
area
is
the
Don
Gaspar
historic
district
and
Mr
Trujillo
went
out
and
started
photographing
other
similar
walls
with
Latias
of
varying
Heights
throughout
the
district.
This
is
the
first
page.
We
have
four
pages
of
these
photos.
X
We've
got
62
photos
that
show
that
there
were
62
other
Walls
Within,
the
Don
Gaspar
historic
district
that
are
not
predominantly
low
and
that
have
latia
tops
that
are
almost
identical,
or
at
least
very
similar
to
that
that
The
Mulligans
meant.
That
was
a
second
inaccurate
statement
that
was
made
and
presumably
I,
think
we
have
to
presume
that
that
the
board
relied.
U
X
X
In
1938
again
because
of
the
the
layout
of
the
property
and
the
fact
that
the
house
is
has
a
zero
lot
line
on
the
back,
most
of
their
functioning
outdoor
space
is
contained
in
this
front
wall,
which,
when
it
had
the
Latias,
provided
both
privacy
and
security,
to
the
molecules
which
is
no
longer
there.
Anybody
that's
walking
along
the
sidewalk
can
look
right
into
their
yard
over
a
four
foot,
six
or
so
wall
invade
their
privacy
and
if
their
intent
on
on
burgling
the
house
or
something
they
they've
got
a
clear,
clear.
U
X
X
X
Out
in
any
way-
and
we've
shown
that
and
again
I'm
I'm
happy
to
present
all
of
the
the
pages
of
photographs
that
the
62
different
walls
that
have
been
photographed
to
show
that
now
in
February
of
2022
the
sewer
line
broke,
it
was
classified
by
the
city
as
an
emergency,
as
it
is
a
health
risk,
as
well
as
an
unpleasant
issue
for
the
neighborhood
The
Mulligans,
acted
promptly
and
responsibly
to
repair
the
problem
at
their
cost,
as
was
their
obligation.
X
They
did
that
to
protect
their
own
property,
their
own
interest
and
restore
their
Sewer
Service.
They
also
did
it
to
protect
the
interests
of
their
neighbors
and
the
city
in
general.
They
hire
TLC
Plumbing
TLC
is
a
reputable
large
company.
That's
used
to
dealing
with
pulling
permits
and
they
pulled
the.
X
In
this
case,
Miss
Brit
mullikin.
U
X
Line
which
turned
out
not
to
be
there,
it
was
on
the
other
side
of
the
house,
but
they
proceeded
in
good
faith,
thinking
that
they
had
all
of
the
permits
that
they
needed
from
the
city.
At
that
time
again,
they
removed
a
small
portion
of
the
wall
six
feet
and
that
caused
the
rest
of
the
Latias
to
have
to
be
removed,
not
just
that
six
foot
section,
but
they
had
to
rebuild
everything.
P
X
Wall
was
in
fact
rebuilt
and
then,
when,
before
they
started,
reinstalling
the
exact
same
Latias
that
had
been
there
for
years,
they
got
the
red
tag
from
the
city
and
we
are
here
as
a
result.
X
Another
point
that
Miss
bordigo
Ray
stated
confirmed.
This
is
at
two
minutes
and
36
seconds
into
the
into
the
video
applicants
began
to
reconstruct
the
wall,
as
it
had
been,
there's
never
been
any
any
assertion
that
they
were
doing
anything
other
than
just
restoring.
What
had
already
been
there
for
all
this
time
that
never
would
have
been
Disturbed
if
there
wasn't
a
sewer
problem
and
in
fact,
shouldn't
have
been
Disturbed,
even
though
there
was
a
sewer
problem,
except
for
the
mistake
of
the
city.
X
So
our
substantive
points
are
as
follows:
actually,
this
was
not
a
voluntary
remodel.
This
was
not
a
voluntary
act
other
than
responding
to
an
emergency.
This
isn't
somebody
creating
an
addition
building
a
new
home
or
remodeling.
They
are
simply
putting
back
what
has
always
been
there
and
would
have
stayed
there,
except
for
an
event
that
was
beyond
their
control.
X
The
complete
reconstruction
of
the
wall,
including
the
Latias,
is
not
in
any
way
change
the
character
of
either
the
residents
or
the
neighborhood.
It's
exactly
like
reasonably
like
aesthetically,
the
entire
neighborhood,
the
entire
Don
Gaspar
District.
There's
nothing
different
here,
and
there
are
latia
walls
all
over
the
district
which
exceed
the
height
restrictions
that
they're
trying
to
enforce
here.
X
X
Whether
or
not
the
property
was
contributing
or
not,
is
not
the
issue
here.
The
problem
with
that
is
that
everything
at
issue
here
is
the
Aesthetics
of
the
neighborhood.
This
isn't
about
safety.
This
isn't
about
anything
other
than
what
does
it?
Look
like
a
contributing
structure
defined
under
14-12-1,
says
a
structure
that
helps
to
establish
and
maintain
the
character
of
that
historic
district.
That's
an
aesthetic
standard
and
if
it's
a
contributing
property,
it's
a
higher
standard.
It's.
A
X
A
A
X
With
respect
to
granting
an
exception
as
Mr
Ruble,
it
has
pointed
out
correctly,
there
are
six
criteria
that
the
appellants
need
to
establish.
We
believe
they
have
all
been
established
here,
Mr
Trujillo,
opined
to
that
in
a
letter
that
is
in
is
in
the
the
report
or
the
memorandum
from
the
city.
Attorneys
is,
and
he
explained
his
position
as
to
why
all
of
the
criteria
were
fulfilled,
but
let
me
also
just
briefly
go
through
them.
X
P
P
X
X
So
again
the
policy
says
we
don't
want
everything
to
be
exactly
the
same,
but
we
want
it
to
have
the
same
character.
This
house,
this
wall,
has
that
character,
special
circumstances.
This
is
the
fourth
Criterium
special
circumstances
peculiar
to
this
property.
There
were
two
special
circumstances.
The
first
one
is
that,
by
the
nature
of
the
configuration
of
this
lot,
their.
X
X
A
X
A
peculiar
a
procure
peculiarity
regarding
this
property
as
to
how
the
house
is
laid
out
on.
A
X
X
The
fifth
Criterium
is
it's
not
the
result
of
the
actions
of
the
applicant,
the
application
they
didn't
do
anything
except
attend
to
a
broken
sewer
line,
which
was
their
legal
obligation
again,
no
voluntary
act
to
change
anything,
so
they
certainly
did
not
cause
any
of
these
issues.
And
again,
if
you
wanted
to
say,
maybe
they
did,
you
need
to
point
your
finger
at
the
city
of
Santa
Fe,
which
told
them
to
dig
there
in
the
first
place,
which
was
an
error.
X
The
sixth
and
final
Criterium
is
least
negative
impact
to
harmonious
outward
appearance,
a
little
bit
duplicative
of
one
of
the
other
ones,
but
again
they're,
not
they're,
not
creating
any
impact,
positive
or
negative
they're,
just
restoring
what
was
already
there,
which
is
all
had
always
been
there.
X
X
Allowed
We
Believe
by
the
review
board,
however,
there's
a
there's
a
separate
legal
basis,
We
Believe
that
should
allow
the
molecans
to
reinstall
the
Latias.
This
is
under
section
14-10.3
of
the
code
of
ordinances
entitled
legal
non-conforming
structures
before
all
of
this
happened.
The
wall
with
the
Latias
was
a
legal
non-conforming
structure.
X
X
14-10.3
a
states
that
this
section
14-10-3
is
not
intended
to
prohibit,
addresses
sorry
additions
or
alternate.
Excuse
me.
Let
me
start
that
over
is
not
intended
to
prohibit
additions
or
alterations
that
do
not
increase
the
non-conformity.
X
So
there's
a
policy.
That's
expressed
there
that
if
you've
got
a
non-conforming
use
and
you
need
to
maintain
it
or
repair
it,
but
it
doesn't
change
or
increase
the
non-conforming
aspect
of
the
condition.
That's
permitted
and
there's
a
more
objective,
specific
standard
that
states.
This
is
under
14-10.3
C.
If
a
legal
non-conforming
structure
is
destroyed,
Beyond
66
and
two-thirds
percent,
it
shall
not
be
reconstructed.
U
X
A
X
X
X
U
X
But
beyond
that,
if
you
just
look
at
appropriate
circumstances,
this
is
a
this
is
a
case
that
was
initiated
by
a
mistake
by
the
city
of
Santa
Fe
and
locating
that
sewer
line
that
wall
never
would
have
been
touched.
But
for
that
mistake,
that
is
a
circumstance
that
we
believe
should
be
considered
the
in
the
overall
circumstances,
and
then
probably
the
most
important
is
that
there
are
two
clear
and
very
material
inaccuracies
in
in
what
staff
told
the
board
and
the
board,
at
least
with
respect
to
the
contributing
versus
non-contributing,
specifically.
A
X
Thinking
about
that
and
thought
that
it
was
material
and
they
were
told
that
it
was
contributing
and
it
clearly
was
not,
and
then
the
second
issue
of
course
is.
Is
this
Porter
Gray's
statement
that
all
of
the
the
walls
in
the
neighborhood
were
low
unless
I
guess
you're,
considering
just
two
houses,
The
Mulligans?
X
Well,
what
she
said
was
that
there
was,
let's
see
all
of
the
walls
in
the
neighborhood
were
low,
except
for
one
net
right
next
door
to
the
Mulligans.
That,
clearly,
is
is
not
the
case.
I
guess:
you've
got
to
figure
out
what
neighborhood
means,
but
certainly
neighborhood
doesn't
mean
two
or
three
houses
it.
We
believe
it
clearly
means
the
Don
Gaspar
historical
district.
Again
there
are
at
least
62
examples
of
all
tall
walls
with
Latias
on
top,
so.
Z
U
X
Important
misstatements
that
are
exactly
relevant
to
the
board's
consideration
of
this
application.
So
for
those
essentially
four
reasons,
we
would
ask
that
the
governing
body,
essentially.
C
C
AA
Evening,
or
is
it
good
morning
now,
I'm
Deborah
Goldstein
I
live
at
843,
Don
cabarro,
but
I
live
on
the
corner,
so
I'm
one
house
from
Heidi
I'm
going
to
make
this
very
short
because
it's
been
a
long
evening
for
everybody,
I
assume
you
got
the
public
state,
but
not
the
public
statements.
The
written
statements
we
all
submitted
in
the
neighborhood
I
submitted
two
letters.
AA
A
AA
AA
We
all
bought
our
houses,
knowing
that
fence
was
there
and
I
live
in
the
corner
and
so
do
Mark
and
Deb
across
the
street.
We
have
tall
walls,
we
only
got
a
six
foot
wall,
all
around
the
house,
so
I
don't
know
how
measuring
is
done.
As
I
said,
my
letter,
I
was
pretty
amateur
at
it,
but
basically-
and
just
one
more
second-
that
people
gave
me
things
to
say:
one
Walter
thinks
the
wall
was
built
or
had
the
extra
addition
before
1995.
So
we
wonder
about
when
it
was
actually
done.
AA
It
might
have
been
for
the
95
survey
and
Deb
says.
Basically
we
want
it
back
up.
We
want
our
price
and
they
need
their
privacy
and
security.
I
mean
I,
sent
some
pictures
with
mine.
I,
don't
know
if
they
showed
up
on
your
email,
but
literally
I
can
walk.
I'm
short
and
I
can
look
right
into
her
bedroom
so
for
for
the
insanity
of
the
whole
neighborhood
I
do
hope
you
reverse
the
historic
board
remand
for
reconsideration
remand
to
reverse
or,
alternatively,
you
just
order
it
tonight.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
C
You
anyone
else
here
who
is
a
member
of
the
public
who'd
like
to
testify
on
this?
Is
there
anyone
on
Zoom
there's
no
one
on
Zoom
at
this
time,
then
I
will
turn
to
the
governing
body
and
entertain
questions
of
either
staff
or
the
appellant
or
our
one
witness
from
the
public.
Anyone
want
to
lead
off
with
the
question
counselor
cassett.
H
Thank
you
so
much
Mr,
Mayor
I
do
want
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
where's
the
interaction
with
the
city
in
terms
of
the
misinformation
about
where
the
sewer
line
was
and,
and
so
it
went
in,
for
the
permit,
did
the
City
come
out
to
the
property
and
I'm
assuming
this
is
a
question
for
the
applicant
I
I'm,
not
sure
who
would
be
best
to
answer
that.
Would
that
be
I
wished
him?
It's
your
experience.
If
you
could
come
up
that'd
be
wonderful,
thank
you.
H
C
AB
Name
is
Heidi
Brett
mullikin.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
and
so
February
1st
our
sewer
line
broke.
There's
freezing
temperatures
it
took
a
week
before
TLC
could
even
do
any
digging
day
20.
AB
We
still
couldn't
figure
out
where
the
sewer
actually
existed.
So
I
was
there
without
a
sewer
for
24
days.
AB
AB
AB
P
Comes
out
here
and
they
come
to
the
residence
and
they
do
a
marking
with
spray
and
that's
how
they
locate
the
sewer
line.
Thank.
H
You
so
much
I
appreciate
that,
and
then
there
was
a
mention
you
know
six
feet
of
the
wall
had
to
come
down
and
and
why
did
the
entire?
Why
did
all
the
Latias
have
to
come
down
at
that
juncture,
as
opposed
to
just
six
feet
of
them?.
AB
H
AB
H
Thank
you
I
appreciate
that
and
then
I
believe
this
would
be
a
question
for
staff,
maybe
Frank,
where
oh,
okay,
I'm,
sorry
yeah.
H
If
less
than
50
percent
has
been
with
the
within
the
historic
code,
it's
less
than
50
has
been
impacted,
then
you
can
go
ahead
and
replace
because
I
know
in
the
historic
code.
It's
you
know.
We
have
this
discussion
that
if
there's
a
non-conforming
structure
that
somehow
gets
damaged
or
not
supposed
to
replace
it,
but
if
it's
less
than
50
that's
been
damaged,
is
that
am
I
remembering
this
correctly.
W
The
provision
of
the
code
that
controls
the
Reconstruction
of
a
non-conforming
structure
is
found.
W
A
H
Well,
my
the
point
of
the
question
is
really:
how
do
we
Define
non-conforming
structures?
So
it's
it
sounds.
You
know
to
me.
The
appellants
are
are
defining
it
as
the
entire
wall,
both
the
stucco
and
the
Latias,
and
maybe
that
the
city
is
defining
just
the
Latias
is.
Am
I,
am
I
understanding
that
calculation
correctly.
W
A
W
W
U
P
W
I
think
that
means
some
kind
of
violent
act.
Like
you
know,
by
a
criminal
you
know
maybe
firebombing
or
something
I
I,
don't
know
you
know
a
vandalism
or
an
arson,
and
so
I
don't
know
that
that
applies
in
this
situation,
because
this
was
an
intentional
act
by
the
property
owners.
You
know
that
the
property
owners
took
down
the
latia
fence.
I,
don't
know
that
this
applies.
H
S
They
said,
and
that's
two
that's
the
one-
that's
not
specific
to
Historic
properties.
It
seems
like
I'm,
not
I,
hadn't
done
research
on
that
specific
section,
I'm,
not
sure
if
it
was
part
of
the
applicant's
prior
statements
in
either
age
board
or
in
conversations
you've
had
Frank
but
I
guess
the
question
would
be.
Is
this?
W
Well,
I
think
it's
also
important
to
consider
the
the
definition
of
a
legal
non-conforming
use,
because
the
section
that
Mr
Allison
read
to
you
talks
about
a
legal
non-conforming
use,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
code
Provisions
that
apply
to
that.
But
a
legal
non-conforming
use
is
specifically
defined
in
the
code
as
a
use
that
was
lawfully
established,
but
that
fails
to
conform
to
the
use.
Regulations
of
this
chapter
I
would
see
I.
W
H
Thank
you,
but
so,
based
on
what
I'm
understanding
that
the
this
more
specific
code
within
the
more
specific
provision
within
the
historic
section
of
chapter
14
applies
as
opposed
to.
A
S
I'm
here
see,
if
I'm
saying
this
right,
it
sounds
like
there's
the
there's.
No,
the
city's
records
doesn't
show
that
this
is
a
legal
non-conforming
structure
because
it
was
never
constructed
legally.
So
it's
outside
of
conforming
before
and
now
it's
not
like
something
changed
that
made
it
non-conforming
after
it
was
built
legally.
Okay,.
H
Oh
yeah,
thank
you
well,
and
it
also
sounds
like
where,
where
I
was
initially
going,
as
you
mentioned,
you
kind
of
read
off
the
the
scenarios
where
that
50
does
get
to
be
considered,
and
it
doesn't
sound
like
that
applies
in
this
case.
So
I
don't
believe,
I
have
any
further
questions
at
this
time.
Thank
you.
W
This
is
I,
don't
recall,
hearing
of
this
before
so
I,
don't
recall
specifically
asking
either
Mr
Makino
or
and
reporter
Gary
about
that
question.
The
idea
that
the
city
I
I
do
recall
something
about
learning
that
the
sewer
line
extended
to
the
back
of
the
property
out
to
the
West
Houghton
alley
and
didn't
go
through
the
front
yard,
but
explanation
that
the
city
gave
him
erroneous
information.
D
And
is
this
contributing
or
a
non-contributing
structure
we.
W
Believe
all
of
the
indications
we
have
are
this
is
a
non-contributing
structure
and
the
error
may
be
if,
if
you
take
a
look
at
the
wall,
height
calculation
for
Don
Cabrero
place,
and
that's
the
one
that
maybe
it
appears
in
the
packet
as
a
bunch
of
red
and
orange
and
yellow
structures
on
a
pink
map.
Very
very
colorful.
W
You
may
see
that
330
Don
Cabrero,
the
house
appears
in
Orange,
which
indicates
the
non-contributing
structure,
but,
as
you
can
see,
the
garage
on
the
west
side
of
the
house
appears
in
red,
which
indicates
that
it's
contributing,
so
the
practice
may
be
that
if
any
part
of
a
property
is
contributing,
then
the
entire
property
is
considered
contributing.
But
I
believe
that
is
an
error
that
Guru
Hai
should
not
be
should
not
appear
in
red
on
that
map.
W
If
you
take
a
look
at
the
historic
cultural
property
inventories
which
I
showed
you
during
my
presentation
way
back
when
they
were
doing
those
hickies,
that
property
was
designated
non-contributing.
W
Find
anything
that
indicates
that
the
H
board
ever
made
the
decision
to
change
the
designation,
so
I
believe
more
likely
than
not.
It
is
a
non-contributing,
but
I
urge
the
board
to
consider
that
the
Wall
height
calculation
is
not
contingent
and
does
not
hinge
upon
the
status
of
the
house
as
contributing
Landmark,
non-contributing
or
significant.
It
applies
to
all
houses,
and
it
applies
to
a
particular
streetscape,
not
to
the
entire
historic
district.
W
D
Thank
you
and
then
I
think
the
applicant
showed
something
from
the
historic
designer
review
board.
That
said
that
all
the
walls
were
probably
within
that
four
foot
level,
except
for
the
one
right
next
door.
We
know
how
tall
that
wall
is.
W
It
is
appears
on
the
the
Wall
height
calculation.
If
we're
talking
about
the
one.
W
The
one
to
the
east
is
336
listed
as
336
Don
Camaro
place.
It
indicates
that
at
its
highest
it
is
89
inches
and
at
its
I
only
say
at
it
at
its
lowest,
it's
78.,
so
yeah.
They
are
next
door
to
a
very
tall
yard
wall.
W
D
W
And
a
counselor
and
mayor
Weber
I
believe
that
Angela
bordigary
would
be
able
to
answer
that.
I
think
she
knows
that
area
pretty
well
and
if
she
could
be
sworn
I.
D
AC
AC
Next
to
this
house
in
question
and
I'm,
going
to
note
that
the
that's
a
non-historic
tall
wall,
the
89
inches,
is
it's
the
only
wall
in
that
streetscape,
which
is
this
as
a
stated,
it's
a
term
of
Art
in
the
historic
districts
code,
for
it's
a
specific
definition,
Within
the
property
that
is
the
subject
property,
and
then
he
showed
that
streetscape.
C
You
councilor
councilor
Chavez.
L
Thank
you,
mayor
I
had
a
question
about
the
height
as
well.
There
was
a
map
because
I
understand
how
we
calculated
was
based
on
averages
of
heights,
but
I
was
more
interested
in
the
number
of
Walls
that
are
similar
to
high
in
that
area,
because
I
think
it
was
like
written.
It
could
see
like
heights
of
written
on
that
map
and
I
thought.
L
I
saw
some
that
were
six
feet,
multiple,
not
just
the
one
that
councilor
Rivera
is
referencing,
so
I
understand
like
the
calculation
with
average,
but
I
would
like
to
understand
the
number
of
houses
that
have
similar
height
walls
and
how
many
they
are,
how
many
there
are.
AC
Thank
you
for
that
question
opportunity
to
clarify
exactly
what
we
mean
by
streetscape
and
the
applicable
Street
Escape.
In
this
case,
the
all
the
walls
except
for
that
one
wall
and
I
think
it
would
be
useful
to
bring
up
the
Google
image.
AC
I,
don't
know
if
we
want
to
see
that
if,
because
we
just
did
in
the
back
they're
all
low,
except
for
that
one
wall,
you've
seen
images
from
the
appellants
and
an
Esteban
Trujillo,
the
the
applicants
representative,
that
of
walls
and
taken
from
throughout
the
don't
guess,
bar
historic
district,
which
is
pretty
large
and
that's
not
the
applicable
States
streetscape.
In
this
case,
it's
actually
confined
to
that
street
that
this
property
is
on.
L
C
Maybe
you
can
get
that
map
I'm
looking
at
it
on
my
computer,
I.
Think
hey
it's
from
the
hdrb
minutes,
page
26,
but
I
think
Frank
had
it
in
his
presentation
as
a
colored
map,
with
calculations
of
highest
and
lowest
points
along
the
along
the
street
and
thank.
L
AC
While
this
is
up
before
we
get
his
yes,
the
map
has
calculations
of
each
of
the
walls
and
in
the
calculations,
some
of
the
walls
are
thrown
out
for
reasons
of
being
non-historic.
This
is
a
picture
of
that
street
and
you're.
Looking
at
the
subject
property
here
with
Latias
as
they
were
formerly-
and
you
can
see
along
this
street-
there
are
no
tall
yard
walls
and
that's
streetscape.
L
AC
AC
AC
Thank
you.
So
what
you're
seeing
here
is
the
is
the
wall
that
counselor
rivetta
asked
about
the
very
next
door
neighbor,
and
that
wall
is
out
of
character
with
the
rest
of
the
streetscape
and
that
we
don't
have
permits
for.
C
Can
you
put
the
the
street
the
looking
down
on
the
street
lot
by
lot
with
the
calculations
across
the
different
lot
lines.
A
C
C
Could
see
it
is
there
a
way
to
blow
it
up
a
little
bit
for
us.
Please.
A
A
C
I
I
I
AA
X
X
I
M
AB
I
I
The
the
the
vote
on
this
from
the
historic
board
was
a
3-2
vote.
Is
that
correct
yeah?
That's
what
the
record
says.
Okay,
that's
all
the
questions.
I
have
thank.
G
You
councilman
councilwoman
to
go
back
to
the
that
question.
G
Liability
on
the
side
of
the
city
for
a
line,
goalkeeper,
sewer
and
I
know
that
when
I've
called
for
line
locates
before
construction
happens,
it's
typically
to
identify
Electric
other
utilities
that
are
in
the
area.
So
you
don't
dig
and
somebody
gets
hurt
in
regards
to.
G
G
You
know
they
have
cameras
and
ways
to
go
into
sewer
lines,
which
kind
of
gives
a
direction
which
again
I
am
I'm
struggling
with
finding
out.
You
know
why
they,
it
was
Mark.
There
was.
G
There
a
work
order
or
the
line,
locate
order
that
was
registered
with
the
city
to
come
out.
G
Right
and
and
again,
I
I,
just
I'm,
trying
to
to
identify
and
and
look
at
facts,
and
what
makes
sense
here
in
regards
to
was
a
Mystique
done,
locating
the
sewer
line
and
whose
mistake
was
it
the
next
question
I'm
going
to
have
is
I
had
questions
in
regards
to
when
the
the
structure
was
built,
but
I
think
that
was
answered
that
it
was.
There
was
never
a
permit
pulled
to
allow
this
to
be
built
and
maybe
requests
of
a
variance,
I
believe
for
for
height.
G
X
G
G
When
did
that
the
defense
height
come
into
rule
in
regards
to
how
high
they're
allowed
to
be
built
by
feet.
I
know
is
the
norm,
but
no
yeah
yeah
for
the
City.
Please
ever.
AC
Have
the
historic
preservation
ordinance
and
there
are
design
standards
for
each
of
the
five
historic
districts
in
their
our
height
standards
that
apply
equally
throughout
the
five
historic
districts,
and
that
refers
to
Heights
of
all
structures,
which
includes
buildings
and
yard
walls,
fences,
Etc
and
in
the
code
it
specifies
how
you
calculate
an
allowable,
a
maximum
allowable
height
for
each
structure
in
any
of
the
historic
districts.
So.
AC
AC
Rule
for
the
actual
for
four
feet.
AC
G
Yeah,
so
if
this,
if
this
event
or
the
addition
to
it,
was
built
in
the
late
90s
I
guess,
we
did
have
had
to
have
gone
through
this
type
of
calculation
in
order
to
be
built.
G
G
G
That,
first,
okay,
the
next
question
I
just
would
have,
is
if
and
I
know,
this
deal
would
probably
have
to
go
to
the
H
board
to
request
a
variance
to
construct
this
wall
again
right
or
does
it
go
to
the
Planning,
Commission
or.
AC
AC
M
AC
Appeals
goes
to
the
higher
body
right
as
far
as
how
that's
disposed
of
you
either
prove
it
or
you
want
to
respond,
are.
C
Whatever
it
was
a
question
question
about
who,
if
we,
if
this
were
to,
if
we
were
to
say
you're
permitted
to
restore
the
Latias,
would
that
then
go
back
to
a
different
process
or
is
it
we
supersede
all
the
other
processes
right.
G
That's
that
wasn't.
That
was
my
question
and
therefore,
if
we
do
not
Grant
this
heal,
the
wall
stays
to
the
height.
That
should
be
at
four
feet:
seven
inches.
AC
Councilor
Garcia,
in
this
case
it
would
mean
that
the
Latias
cannot
be
added
back
on
to
the
existing
to
the
wall.
Let's
not
go
wall.
G
What
was
the
height
of
the
of
this
to
the
stucco
wall?
I
think
I
wrote
down,
wrote
it
down,
but.
G
J
J
I,
don't
know
who
can
answer
this,
but
staff
probably
knows
the
house
in
question:
there's
other
walls
around
it
and
from
what
I
understand,
there's
other
sections
of
that
wall
that
are
six
to
eight
feet,
not
the
front
part,
but
can
stop
clarify
that
I.
Think
Mr
rubali
had
told
me
that
there
were
other
sections
of
this
property
that
their
walls
had
six
to
eight
levels,
I.
W
I
drove
through
that
area
some
time
ago
and
of
course,
I've
looked
at
a
lot
of
maps
in
that
and
diagrams
and
that
sort
of
things.
S
J
Now
my
question
is,
and
I
don't
know
if
who
can
answer
this
from
staff
is,
if
this
home
this
property,
if
the
walls
other
parts
of
the
home
not
the
front
part
or
what
were
considered
the
front
part,
if
there's
other
parts
of
the
wall
that
are
higher
than
the
four
point
whatever
it
is,.
W
Wrong
but
Via
Real.
If
you
take
a
look
at
the
at
the
Higby,
that
is
part
of
the
packet
that
was
submitted
to
the
board
you'll,
see
some
pictures
of
the
back
of
the
house.
The
the.
C
W
On
the
backyard
and
around
the
side,
look
like
they're
about
six
feet.
They're,
you
know
they're
very
tall.
W
They're
see
over
the
wall
into
the
backyard.
J
Right.
Okay,
so,
given
that
fact
we
were
talking
about
screen
streetscape,
so
isn't
an
Alleyway
a
street.
A
J
Not
so
much
about
discrete
streetscape,
but
how
we
Define
Street
well
streetscape
to
me,
there's
a
specific
definition,
but
I
guess
I
was
just
trying
to
figure
out
that
Alleyway
is
a
street,
so
it
has
in
a
way
its
own
streetscape,
maybe
not
defined
by
historic.
What
you're
referencing
when
we
were
talking
about
streetscape
but
I,
guess
I,
keep
thinking,
that's
also
a
streetscape
and
we're
talking
about
a
wall
on
the
other
side
of
the
home.
That
is
also
six
feet.
J
So
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there,
because
yeah
I
just
have
a
hard
time
with
this.
Based
on
some
of
the
information
that
we've
been
given
about
different
levels
of
of
fences.
Some
are
low,
most
are
low,
some
are
high
and
then
we're
not
even
talking
about
the
back
alleyway
and
those
are
different
and
I
know
I,
guess
I,
just
it's!
J
W
Would
be
a
royal
and
mayor
Weber,
Santa
Fe
city
code,
section
14-5.2,
we're
talking
subsection
episode,
section
D9
little
a
little
Roman
U
capital,
a
Street
Escape
Foods
buildings,
yard
walls
and
fences
on
both
sides
of
the
street
for
a
distance
of
600
feet,
measured
from
the
midpoint
of
the
street,
facing
facade
at
a
proposed
building,
yard
wall
or
fence
in
both
directions
parallel
to
the
street
and
if
a
Street,
Cape
scrape
streetscape
is
truncated
by
an
intersecting
block
before
the
600
feet
is
measured,
which
is
the
situation
on
Don
cavaro
Place
streetscape
shall
include
all
building
Jarred
walls
and
fences
up
to
and
including
those
which
front
the
intersection.
W
W
West
Houghton
Street
and
the
next
block
over
to
the
east
and
West
Town
Street
splits
off,
but
in
that
section
of
West
Island
Street.
All
of
the
addresses
are
either
on
Don,
Cabrero,
Place,
Don,
cabeiro,
Avenue
and
there's
an
address
back
right,
adjacent
to
the
Mulligan's
property.
It
has
a
regress
on
Don
Manuel.
AC
It's
it's
about
which
street
you're
facing,
so
the
back
is
a
different
streetscape.
What
you're
referring
to
and
that's
a
back
wall
So,
that's
its
own
streetscape,
and
so
this
streetscape
that
applies
is
in
the
front.
AC
Look
at
it
in
a
historic
preservation
sense:
we
protect
historic
streetscapes,
and
that
means
that
buildings
and
structures
that
are
within
a
defined
area,
and
so
that's
visually.
Looking
at
this
at
those
in
the
front
and
so
you're
looking
at
that
particular
streetscape.
If
we
were,
if
there
was
a
wall
on
the
back
where
this
alley
is,
then
we
would
do
a
streetscape
calculation
for
that
streetscape
and
all
the
walls
facing
the
alleys.
C
Ulcer
acid,
can
we
get
a
motion
to
go
beyond
11
30
before
and
it
gets
any
later
we're
not
going
to
get
this
done
by
11
30..
We
haven't
finished
any
of
our
work
yet
so
we're
gonna
have
to
go
beyond
11
30
to
wrap
this
up.
C
A
C
I
So
if
we
vote
to
extend
past
11
30,
we
still
have
the
option
to
truncate
the
rest
of
the
agenda.
I'm.
P
I
A
C
C
H
Good
question
you.
H
Thank
you,
so
I
I'm
just
kind
of
going
back
to
this
this
concept
around
the
city
blunder
and
was
this
disgusted
discussed
at
H
board
at
all
because
I'm
not
seeing
that
anywhere
in
the
notes.
Now
it
does
say
specifically
we
dug
and
it
wasn't
where
the
pipe
was,
but
it
doesn't
talk
about
that
being
at
the
fault
of
the
city,
so
I,
you
know,
that's
not
reflected
in
the
H
board
minutes
as
far
as
I
can
see.
So
was
that
discussion
did
that
discussion
occur
at
the
age
Board
hearing
for
this
case.
W
That
the
city
gave
them
bad
information
I
just
I,
don't
recall
that
coming
up
I
remember
an
issue
that
they
dug
one
location.
It
didn't
find
the
sewer
line
there
and
it
turned
out
to
be
an
unnecessary
dig
and
they
found
the
sewer
line
extending
out
to
the
back
in
West
Houghton
Street,
but
where
the
information
came
from
as
to
where
the
sewer
where
they
thought
the
sewer
was
located
and
where
it
was
ultimately
located.
I
do
not
recall.
H
AB
Y
AB
Recommend
requested
that
utilities
come
out
and
Mark
where
so,
which
street
the
sewer
line
was
on
and
where
they
needed
to
aim,
and
they
marked
it
on
Don
cubero
place.
H
H
For
me
that
matters,
you
know
whether
or
not
this
this
there
was
a
that
this
was
a
city
blunder
and
not
having
that
confirmation.
H
I
I
think
that
that's
that's
an
area
that
I'm
struggling
on
so
I'm,
not
sure.
If
there's
a
way
to
get
that
confirmation.
C
AB
C
P
C
C
Understand
that
wasn't
my
question,
however,.
P
C
I'm
just
reading
the
applicant's
presentation
from
the
minutes
explained,
the
situation
arose
from
the
sewer
line
being
in
the
wrong
location.
It
was
necessary
to
destroy
in
the
minutes
it
says
eight
feet
of
the
wall
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
but
looking
at
the
minutes
to
the
extent
that
we
are
relying
on
them
for
prior
information,
the
issue
of
the
city
misidentifying,
the
location
that
really
wasn't
at
that
time.
Part
of
your
presentation
exactly.
P
P
P
Sir,
no
no
I'm
just
saying
I'm
just
saying
that
I
don't
know,
what's
going
to
happen
in
front
of
the
the
hearing
right
so,
but
it
was
addressed
in
the
letter
and
I
was
hoping
that
I
don't
know.
If
the.
If
the
the
board
members
read
the
letter,
I
have
no
idea.
I.
A
C
C
I
have
one
question
of
Staff
if
I
may
I,
since
we're
looking
into
the
minutes,
I
I
was
con.
I've
been
confused
all
night
long
about
what
the
staff's
recommendation
was
at
the
age
board
and
part
of
my
confusion
is
when
I
read
it.
C
C
How
do
I
I'm
not
trying
to
make
light
of
the
situation?
It's
a
serious
situation,
but
we
don't.
We
didn't
find
that
the
exception
criteria
had
been
met,
but
the
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
application.
Can
you
help
me
understand
how
that
would
work
as
a
as
a
decision-making
process?
Yes,.
AC
However,
members
of
the
council,
as
staff
we
make
these
recommendations
to
our
boards
and
as
staff,
we're
the
experts
and
generally
the
board.
You
know
the
board
will
make
decisions
based
on
those
opinions
in
this
particular
case.
Yes,
I
recommended
approval,
however,
because
it
required
an
exception
to
the
height
standards,
which
was
the
six
criteria.
AC
Part
of
my
review
of
this
of
the
in
my
in
my
report,
is
to
respond
to
the
applicant's
responses
to
those
six
criteria
and
all
of
those
criteria
are
in
the
packet
to
all
of
those
staff
disagreed
that
any
of
those
criteria
were
met
and
that
so
that's
our
process
and
then
at
the
at
the
hearing.
The
board
has
additional
testimony.
They
make
the
decision
about
whether
to
approve
the
case.
C
Right
but
I'm
I'm.
All
of
that
is
absolutely
crystal
clear
to
me.
I
I
may
or
may
not
agree
with
your
finding
that
the
exception
criteria
were
met,
but
I'm
I'm
trying
to
square
the
circle
if
the
criteria
weren't
met.
Why
did
you
end
up
recommending
approval
and
that
I
mean
the
answer
may
be
because
staff
struggles
with
these
issues
too
and
they're,
not
always
black
and
white,
and
we
all
have
to
do
our
best
to
make
sense
out
of
a
complicated
situation.
C
AC
Thank
you,
mayor,
I'd
like
to
take
those
words
from
your
mouth,
because
that's
exactly
the
situation
here
and
it
it
has
every
day
everything
to
do
with
the
circumstances
and
under
the
circumstances,
at
the
time
of
that
report,
writing
and
investigating
and
working
with
the
applicant
and
our
building
inspector
I
too,
could
not
get
past
how
the
sewer
line
had
been
marked
in
the
wrong
place
by
whom,
whose
responsibility,
whether
you
know
that
again,
that
is
a
different
department
and
I'm,
not
one
of
those
employees.
That's
going
to
tell
you
that's.
AC
But
I
don't
know:
I
I
tried
to
get
that
information.
If
the
and
I
we
looked
at
permits
from
their
their
plumber
TLC,
there
is
a
permit
for
the
job,
but
with
respect
to
that
area
of
our
city,
that's
a
question
mark
and
so
back
to
my
analysis
and
recommendation
was
based
on
just
the
sheer
and
that's
an
understatement.
Series
of
Unfortunate
Events
and.
C
I
think
staff
and
just
governing
body
members
wrestle
with
complicated
issues
and
we
try
to
come
up
with
solutions
that
are
both
conforming
to
what
the
code
says
and
also
to
what
our
sense
of
the
circumstances
are:
The
Human,
Condition
assets
asks
of
us.
So
very
good,
very
candid.
Thank
you.
Council
River.
D
A
D
C
Their
point,
kids,
any
other
questions,
we're
still
up
to
bring
everybody
up
to
where
we
are
in
our
process.
This
is
where
the
governing
body
gets
to
ask
questions.
If
all
the
questions
have
been
asked
or
when
they
have
been
asked,
then
we
would
close
the
what
was
the
public
hearing
and
we
would
move
to
emotion
on
either
direction
and
and
a
vote
on
that
motion.
Are
there
more
questions
for
anyone
in
front
of
us,
counselor
Garcia.
You
have
the
floor.
G
Thank
you,
mayor
I,
I,
just
had
a
question
for
I
I
got
your
name.
Yes,
you
alluded
to
a
copy
of
a
letter
that
you
had
submitted
yes
and
that
letter.
In
that
letter
you
said
it
stated
that
there
was
a
mistake
in
the
line.
Okay
of
the
sewer
line.
G
That
there
was
that
the
sewer
line
had
been
located
incorrectly
was
it
stated
that
it
was
by
the
city
that
the
sewer
line
was
was
not
marked
correctly.
That's.
P
J
P
P
All
right,
Maria
Martinez,
that
indicated
that
that
set
to
the
this
shouldn't
even
be
an
issue
because
of
the
sewer
emergency
and
that
and
and
she's
the
one
that
came
out
and
located
the
the
the
line
in
the
first
place.
G
G
Goes
towards
grandfathering
and
I
know
there
was.
This
was
probably
built
again
without
permit
back
in
the
90s,
but
without
that,
how
far
do
we
go
back?
I
mean.
Does
this
what's
the
definition
of
grandfathering
in
and
if
I
guess,
what
is
our
interpretation
of
that?
If
something
changes
such
as
now
to
rebuild
back
to
what
the
state
was
to
its
original
state
previous
to
the
destruction
of
of
the
wall
and
I,
guess,
maybe
that
that
could
be
directed
to
the
City
attorney.
A
X
To
miss
bordigorai
in
the
date
is
April
22nd
2022..
This.
X
His
opinion
regarding
the
six
criteria
for
an
exception,
but
at
the
end
he
says
he
there
was
a
sequence
of
events
he
describes
and
on
February
14th.
He
states
that
the
city
locates
the
sewer
line
to
be
on
Don
Cabrero,
Place,
TLC
estimator,
comes
and
determines
that
small
sub
segment
of
wall
has
to
be
removed
to
access
the
sewer
line.
Tlc
retains
all
permits
required
to
do
the
utilities
work
and
then
on
February
20th
TLC
digging
in
yard
result
determines
that
sewer
line
is
not
on
Don
cubero
place,
but
on
West
Howden
plans
change.
X
G
P
Okay,
so
the
there
is
a
line
that
is
marked
by
the
city.
If
you
look
at
the
city
map,
there's
a
a
line
that
goes
east
west
along
Don
kubero
place
and
then
there's
another
line
that
goes
on
West
Houghton,
okay,
the
city
marks
the
the
the
spot
from
where
the
sewer
line
is
two
draws:
a
line
towards
the
sidewalk
indicating
where
that
line
goes
into
the
property.
So
there's
like
a
t,
so
that's
what
that's
what
they
that's.
What
the
city
Drew
on
the
or
sprayed
painted
on
these
on
the
street.
G
Oh,
thank
you
I'm
still
just
struggling
with
locating
a
sewer
line,
especially
a
private
sewer
line,
that's
going
to
the
house
and
how
that
mistake
could
have
happened.
You
know
if
it
obviously
what
did
happen
I'm
in
the
direction
that
you
know
it
was
a
mistake
that
happened
that
should
have
never
happened,
but
I'm
I'm
struggling
with
that,
because
I'd
like
to
know
at
what
point
the
city
work
order
was
put
in
and
in
a
sense
we
went
out
there
and
located
this
sewer
line.
G
C
I'll
yield
the
floor.
Okay,
thank.
V
C
I
think
before
we
close
the
public
hearing,
I
want
to
give
the
appellant
five
minutes
to
make
a
closing
statement
and
given
the
hour,
if
you
could
literally
use
five
minutes,
you
would
win
the
hearts
and
minds
of
the
American
people.
I'm.
C
X
The
mistake
on
the
location
of
the
sewer
line-
one
issue
is:
is
this
a
de
novo
hearing,
or
is
this
an
on
the
record
here?
I
believe
this
is
a
de
novo
hearing.
Clearly
it
is
in
the
sense
that
additional
evidence
is
taken
from
additional
Witnesses.
We
have
the
opportunity
to
call
witnesses
assuming
it's
a
de
novo
hearing.
Then
the
evidence
presented
tonight
about
that
issue
is
before
this
body
and
that
evidence
is
that
the
city
came
out
and
mislocated
the
line
and
did
the
painting
on
the
on
the
grass
or
whatever
the
street.
X
X
Here,
if
that
hadn't
happened,
because
the
wall
never
would
have
been
Disturbed,
a
second
point
I'd
like
to
make
is
that
there
was
discussion.
X
Percent
destruction:
it
can't
be
rebuilt,
it's
more
than
66
and
two-thirds
percent.
It
can't
be
rebuilt
depending
on
which
section
you're
looking
at,
but
the
policy
is
very
clear
that
if
it's
Disturbed
below
50
or
66
percent,
then
the
presumption
is
it
can
be
rebuilt.
This
is
29
it's
less
than
50
or
66,
and
two-thirds
so
I
think.
That's
that
answers
that
question.
X
This
is
an
issue
of
Maintenance.
This
is
about
maintenance.
This
is
about
maintenance
that
was
required
because
of
a
sewer
line
collapse,
but
it's
maintenance
and
it's
certainly
the
policy
of
the
city
of
Santa
Fe
and
every
every
city
I'm
sure
that
they
want
to
encourage
residents
to
maintain
their
property
in
this
case,
at
The
Mulligans
not
spent
the
money
and
taken
the
effort
to
deal
with
this
issue,
which
was
primarily
in
their
interests.
Of
course,
we
would
have
a
much
bigger
problem.
They
were
maintaining
what
was
already
there
and
I
think.
X
Santa
Fe
is
to
encourage
maintenance,
not
discouraging
the
last
thing
I
would
address
is
the
fact
that
the
decision
of
the
review
board
had
to
be
based
upon
two
very
significant
inaccuracies.
The
first
one
is,
which
is
not
really
contested,
the
difference
between
contributing
and
non-contributing
on
at
least
two
occasions
that
was
represented,
that
it
was
contributing
and
one
time
it
was
in
response
to
a
specific
question
from
one
of
the
board
members.
X
X
X
X
X
B
X
That
the
court,
sorry
at
the
the
board,
Grant
the
exception.
C
Thank
you,
sir
I'm,
going
to
at
this
point
close
the
public
hearing
and
once
it's
closed.
Unless
we
were
to
vote
to
reopen
it,
we
can't
ask
further
questions
and
I
will
entertain
a
motion
and
a
second
on
whether
to
Grant
or
to
deny
the
appeal,
and
please
make
your.
C
I
Thank
you,
mayor
I
moved
to
Grant
the
appeal
on
the
grounds
that,
although
the
yard
wall
with
a
latia
extension
as
it
existed
before,
the
demolition
does
not
conform
to
the
historic
district
height
limitation,
the
opponents
have
conclusively
demonstrated
the
six
exception
criteria.
In
fact,
supporting
the
exception
criteria
are
stated.
I
One
through
six,
a
City
attorney
can
I
say
one
through
six:
the
one
through
six
exception
criteria
found
in
the
code
or
must
I
read
each
exception
criteria.
S
C
C
I
I
would
I
would
say
one
thing
before
we
get
to
the
vote,
which
is
I,
I,
actually
think
the
staff
report,
which
I
called
confusing,
is
once
we
explore
it.
Not
all
that
confusing
and
makes
a
ton
of
sense.
I
also
think
it's
completely
reasonable
to
look
at
the
exception
criteria
and
conclude
that
the
the
deviation
doesn't
damage
the
character
of
the
streetscape.
C
G
F
F
F
Change
the
future
land
use
classification
for
approximately
2.2
acres
of
land
located
at
6350,
Airport
Road
from
office
to
community
commercial
other
lamboy,
our
assistant
land
instructors.
For
this.
It's
already
here.
C
C
I
think
I
will
repeat
the
process
because
it's
important
to
know
how
we
would
do
this.
We
will
begin
with
what
turns
out
to
be
really
a
significant
issue
which
is
disclosing
any
pre-hearing
Communications.
That
would
require
a
member
of
the
governing
body
to
recuse
him
or
herself,
and
then
there'll
be
a
staff
report
from
the
land
use
from
Ms
lamboy
up
to
10
minutes
the
applicant
up
to
15
minutes
public
comment
questions
when
the
questions
are
all
done.
We
closed
the
hearing,
we
then
entertain
motions
and
we
move
forward.
C
This
is
I,
think
we're
gonna
do
both
C
and
D
I'm.
Sorry
I
got
the
wrong
numbers,
we're
going
to
do
both
B
and
see
with
one
Bell
swoop.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,.
C
F
F
Yes,
so
item
C
is
consideration
of
bill
number
2023-3.
It's
requesting
an
adoption
of
an
ordinance
case:
number
2021-5506,
nmlend,
Solutions
LLC
agent
for
Dry
Creek
partnership
applicant
request,
approval
of
a
bill
to
rezone
approximately
2.2
acres
of
land
located
at
6350,
Airport
Road
from
C1
office
and
related
commercial
District
to
see
two
General
commercial
District.
N
Thank
you
good
evening,
members
of
the
council,
thank
you
for
your
patience
and
I'm
endurance.
Tonight.
I
will
be
brief,
so
this
case
is
with
reference
to
6350
Airport
Road,
which
is
an
a
vacant
lot
located
between
Geo
Lane
and
Paseo
Sol
on
Airport
Road.
So
it's
on
the
south
side
of
Airport
Road,
the
context
and
and
the
request
is
for
General
plan
amendment
to
go
from
Community
a
commercial
office
to
community
commercial
and
from
from
C1
to
C2,
which
is
a
general
commercial
Zone,
District
C1
is
office
and
related
commercial.
N
So
to
understand
the
context
you
can
see
the
site
sort
of
at
the
center
of
the
the
area.
There's
multi-family
residential
in
the
area
as
well
as
single
family,
residential
manufactured
home
parks,
and
there
is
some
commercial
across
the
streets
on
the
north
side
of
airport.
N
The
existing
future
land
use
category
is
office
which
is
found
throughout
the
Airport
Road
Corridor,
interspersed
with
the
commercial
General
commercial
Zone
District,
which.
N
The
existing
Zone
district
is
the
C1
which
is
indicated
in
purple
here,
and
the
proposed
Zone
district
is
C2
and
you
will
find
that
there's
red
commercial,
General,
commercial
zoning
categories
nearby
and
proximate,
and
especially
across
the
street
from
this
particular
site.
N
This
site
is
also
part
of
the
Southwest
Santa
Fe
Community
area
master
plan
area,
and
this
particular
neighborhood
is
the
South
Central
neighborhood
planning
area
and
the
neighborhood
planning
area
calls
for
an
Eclectic
assembly
of
uses
and
there's
also
a
neighborhood
center.
That
is
part
of
sort
of
the
the
overall
mix
of
uses
in
that
South
Central
neighborhood
planning
area.
So
with
reference
to
that
The
General,
commercial,
Zone,
District
could
be
part
of
that
mix
of
uses.
N
So
the
approval
criteria,
with
reference
to
a
general
plan
amendment,
is
that
it's
consistent
with
gross
projections
and
economic
development
goals.
It's
consistent
with
other
parts
of
the
general
plan.
It
provides
for
coordinated
and
harmonious
development
and
is
not
inconsistent
with
the
prevailing
use
and
character
of
the
area
and
The
Guiding
policy
that
is
implemented
through
the
Southwest
area.
N
Master
plan,
as
well
as
the
general
plan,
is
to
call
foreign
mix
of
uses
along
the
Airport
Road
Corridor
the
approval
criteria
for
rezoning-
and
this
is
Airport
Road
in
the
80s
I-
believe,
if
not
the
70s,
and
you
can
see
that
things
have
changed
quite
a
bit
over
time.
So
there
has
been
a
change
in
the
surrounding
area.
It
is
a
different
zoning
category
is
more
advantageous
to
Foster
Redevelopment.
N
It
is
consistent
with
the
applicable
General
plan
policies
and
existing
and
plant
infrastructure
improvements
will
accommodate
for
the
future
development
on
the
site,
and
part
of
that
analysis
was
to
understand
the
whether
the
infrastructure
from
the
road
networks
and
utilities
and
all
that
could
accommodate
for
development
on
that
site
and
the
upper
airport
over
local
calls
out
for
establishing
a
multi-use
corridor
and
that
implements
the
proposed
General
commercial.
Zone.
N
District
would
Implement
that
as
well,
and
so
the
staff
recommendation
is
as
well
as
the
Planning
Commission
recommendation
is
the
approval
of
this
proposed
General
plan
Amendment,
as
well
as
the
proposed
rezoning
and
just
for
reference
this
used
to.
Actually
this
was
the
second
airport
that
Santa
Fe
had,
and
it
used
to
be
actually
right
along
that
Airport
Road
Corridor
in
this
area.
N
C
You
very
much
we
turn
now
to
the
applicant
and
we
would
welcome
your
you
know
your
sworn
testimony.
C
Z
Hi
hi,
my
name
is
Nathan
manzanadas
I'm,
with
NM
land
Solutions
I'm
located
at
915
Mercer
Street,
Santa,
Fe,
New,
Mexico.
Z
In
reference
to
this
case,
show
me
the
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth
and
do
this
under
the
penalties
of
perjury.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Mr
Mayor
counselors.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Heather
I
did
have
a
presentation
ready,
but
I
think
Heather
knocked
it
out
of
the
park.
As
stated
you
know,
we
have
worked
with
staff.
We've
addressed
the
criteria
outlined
in
chapter
14.,
Planning
Commission,
unanimous
record
approval
of
this,
and
we're
just
excited
to
bring
more
commercial
opportunities
to
the
south
side
of
Santa
Fe
and
with.
A
C
You,
sir,
we'll
get
to
the
question
part
in
a
minute.
Are
there
people
who
are
from
the
general
public
either
present
in
the
room
or
on
the
Zoom?
C
Nobody
on
zoom
and
anyone
here
who
wishes
to
testify
from
the
General
Public
I?
Don't
see
anybody
raising
their
hand?
In
that
case,
let's
go
to
the
governing
body
for
questions
of
Staff
or
the
applicant.
This.
M
C
We're
doing
both
the
general
plan
and
the
specific
case
of
the
rezone
at
the
same
time,
so
questions
for
staff
or
applicant
councilwoman
burial.
J
Thank
you,
mayor
just
had
a
couple
of
clarifying
questions
in
the
packet
material
I
just
want
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I
understood
what
this
was.
They
were
referencing.
The
applicant
was
referencing
the
U.S
census
data
for
2020
on
page
seven
of
the
memo,
and
it
says
the
U.S
census.
Data
for
2020
shows
that
population
was
over
150
000.
are
you?
Are
you
referring
to
County.
Z
J
Z
J
Okay,
let
me
just
see
12
on
page
12,
you
also
referenced
some
see
what
it
says.
J
Z
So
I
think
that
this
site
has
been
vacant
for
a
while
and
that's
one
aspect
of
it
in
addition
to
the
limited
uses
that
are
allowed
under
the
C1.
That
area
is
evolving.
It's
changing
the
C2
zoning
designation
allows
for
more
Community
commercial,
and
you
know
the
environment
that
we're
living
in
that
no
one
really
needs
an
office
anymore.
You
can
do
a
lot
of
things
from
home,
so
it
is
hard
to
Market
that
type
of
use
in
this
day
and
age,
but.
J
This
was
specifically
about
people
not
wanting
C1,
because
they
don't
want
to
be
in
close
proximity
to
Airport
Road
due
to
current
noise
volumes,
Associated
within
the
area
and
I'm
just
wondering
according
to
who
or
what
data
source
I.
Z
Think
that
was
Mr
Mayor,
counselor
I,
think
that
was
given
to
us
from
experience
from
the
current
owner
and
and
they're
not
being
able
to
market
the
site,
and
some
of
the
noise
from
traffic
may
be
Associated
from
Airport
Road.
It
is
a
very
trafficked
area
and
a
heavily
used.
A
J
J
I
have
a
question
for
staff
in
the
packet.
It
does
indicate
the
use.
It
says
that
it
will
be
Auto,
Parts
retail
store.
Is
that
just
a
guess,
or
is
that
confirmed
the.
N
At
the
en,
when
this
proposal
was
introduced
to
the
community,
the
the
applicant
did
communicate
with
the
community
that
the
thought
was
that
there
might
be
an
auto
parts
store
there,
and
so
that's
that's
where
all
of
that
began
right
now,
the
only
application
is
for
resigning
in
a
journal
plan
Amendment
they
have
not
put
together
any
type
of
site,
design
or
or
anything
other
than
just
communicating
that
or.
J
Z
Mr
Mayor
commissioner
Isle
so
yeah
as
Heather
stated
in
the
first
CNN,
we
did
have
a
user
that
was
interested
in
the
site
and
you
know
we
try
to
be
transparent
with
the
community
with
all
of
our
projects
and
we
let
them
know
that
that
was
a
potential
user
because
it
fell
under
that
C2
allowance.
Z
You
know,
we've
been
working
on
this
since
May
nothing's
been
finalized
with
Alicia
or
a
new
owner.
That
was
one
potential
use,
but
nothing
set
in
stone
at
the
moment.
J
Because
impasse
cases
we've
talked
about
this
parcel,
those
of
us
that
have
been
on
the
Council
of
potential
uses
and
I
know.
There
was
folks
that
wanted
to
have
a
grocery
store.
It
never
really
came
to
a
fruition,
but
I'm
wondering
if
my
colleagues
remember
our
staff
was
this
the
same
parcel
that
there
was
consideration
to
put
storage
units.
J
J
When
we're
saying
storage
units,
they
were
climate,
controlled
storage
units
and
we
did
not
support
that.
Is
that
correct
I
recall
that
I
guess
I
just
don't
want
us
to
be
utilizing.
This
uses
that
we
already
didn't
feel
like
it
was
the
appropriate
commercial
use,
I'm
not
opposed
to
Auto,
Parts
retail
store
or
whatever
else,
but
I
guess
I
just
didn't
know
if
you
all
had
a
better
idea
of
what
was
gonna.
J
Z
I
apologize,
it's
late,
you
know
if
that
were
a
type
of
use,
it
could
potentially
come
back
to
you
via
a
development
plan.
You
know,
or
we
can
go
in
through
administrative
approved
uses
as
the
moment.
We
are
just
trying
to
remarket
the
property
and
get
it
re-zoned,
and
there
really
is
nothing
set
in
stone.
As
I
said.
N
N
Mayor
councilmember,
so
the
pathway
would
be
if
the
governing
body
were
to
find
or
were
to
approve
this
tonight
then
the
applicant
could
there
are
different
thresholds
for
submitting
a
development
plan,
and
so
if
there
was
one
building
less
than
10
000
square
feet
that
were
to
be
built
on
this
property,
it
would
just
be
a
a
building
permit
review
at
this
point.
So.
U
N
Once
because
the
10
000
square
foot,
the
threshold
is
related
to
the
fact
that
there's
residential
development
nearby
to
the
East
and
to
the
South
as
well
so
once
I
get
beyond
that
or
if
there's
multiple
buildings
and
there
needs
to
be
sort
of
a
master,
mini
master
plan
that
is
done
through
with
the
development
plan
tool.
J
J
Well,
I'm,
hoping
that
something
that
you
all
would,
if
we're
really
talking
about
a
commercial
use,
that's
beneficial
for
the
community
that
it
actually
is
something
that's
beneficial
that
well,
it
would
be
nice
to
see
a
grocery
store.
I
know
that
that
was
harder
for
somebody
to
make
work,
but
yeah
I,
just
I,
don't
want
to
go
back
to
that
same
issue
that
we
dealt
with
not
too
long
ago.
G
Thank
you,
mayor
was.
G
Z
Mayor
counselor
Garcia,
we
did
do
an
analysis
of
the
site
and
we
we
felt
that
this
area
would
best
be
served
with
the
C2
designation
due
to
the
fact
that
it
has
access
via
the
two
surrounding
streams,
which
is
Geo,
Lane
and
I.
Forget
the
other
one.
But
we
did
look
at
that
and
we
felt
like
you
know
this
would
provide
the
most
Community
commercial.
G
My
question
would
be
for
staff
Muslim
boy.
If
you
can
answer
this
question.
Z
I'm
sorry
count
Mr
Mayor,
counselor,
I
I
did
not
hear
your
question.
I.
C
G
If
we
do
change
this
or
Grant,
this
rezone
to
C2
I
know
that
one
of
the
pyramidated
or
one
of
the
things
that
is
allowable
would
be
apartment.
Complexes.
G
I
think
that's
something
that
a
lot
of
people
on
our
side
of
town
have
taken
issue
to
what
would
be
the
steps
if
this
was
C2
for
a
apartment
complex
to
be
approved
on
that
I
know
it
wouldn't
come
to
the
governing
body
correct.
It
would
meet
the
development
planning
to
the
Planning
Commission.
N
Mayor
council,
member
Garcia-
yes,
that's
correct,
it
would
go
to
the
Planning
Commission
for
multi-family,
residential
and
there's
a
certain
number
of
units
that
would
be
a
threshold.
I
have
to
look
at
the
code,
but
if
there's
very
low
density
you
know
just
a
few
units
that
would
be
a
building
permit.
A
G
So
did
you
have
something
to
add
Mr
Kelly,
mayor.
Y
Counselor,
the
governing
body
could
call
up
any
final
decision
of
the
Planning
Commission.
Y
G
Body,
thank
you
and
again
I
I'm,
not
saying
that.
That's
what's
going
to
happen
here,
I'm
just
stating
for
the
record
that
that's
a
possibility
and
I
think
that
it
would
you
know
you
always
want
to
look
at
what's
more
advantageous
for
our
our
South
Side
Community
for
the
streets.
What
do
we
bring
as
amenities?
G
G
I
can't
remember
which
one
is
more
advantageous
to
this
type
of
a
development,
I
won
or
I2
I.
Think
I,
too,
is
for
I
won
yeah.
N
Mayor
council,
member
Garcia,
the
i1
zoning
district
is
further
to
the
West
on
the
Airport
Road
Corridor,
okay,
and
it
would
not
be
appropriate
in
this
particular
case
because
there's
no
surrounding
zoning
and
I'm.
Sorry,
let
me
know
why
it's
not
duplicating
automatically
I'm
just
going
to
show
you
the
corridor
with
the
different
Zone
districts,
and
so
proximity
is
something
that
is
required
when
you're,
considering
additional
zoning
districts
or
different
ones.
So
another
proximate
Zone
District's
shopping
center,
which
is
to
the
north,
but
because
the
I
one
is
further
to
to
the
West.
G
Okay,
thank
you.
Those
are
just
my
concerns
and
I
think
that
you
know
we
always
talk
about
the
smart
development
of
our
of
our
street
here
in
many
people
use
it.
Obviously
we
need
the
amenities
to
the
community,
whether
it's
opportunities
to
go
shopping
opportunities
to
go
to
a
store
of
some
sort,
and
you
know
maybe
a
restaurant,
something
of
that
sort
and
so
again
I
I'd
hate
to
lose
that
piece
of
property
to
something
else.
That's
not
going
to
be
advantageous
to
the
community.
Those
are
my
comments.
D
Thank
you,
mayor
islamboy.
What
are
some
of
the
other
uses
under
C2?
Besides
art
store
and
maybe
a
small
apartment.
N
U
N
I
am
council
member
Rivera
I
just
want
to
so
I.
Don't
misspeak
pull
up
the
permitted
use
table.
A
AC
N
All
right
so
with
reference
to
the
different
types
of
community
centers
would
be
a
permitted
use
of
you
know,
there's
different
clinics
and
things
like
that.
That
would
be
permitted
like
a
urgent
care
clinic
or
what
have
you
then
also
there's
you
know,
Civic
types
of
uses
like
a
library
or
Community
Center
type
of
thing,
and
then
retail
is
another
one
as
well
and
restaurant
those
types
of
uses
are
permitted
in
the
C2
Zone
districts.
A
N
N
D
Y
Mayor
Weber,
counselors,
councilor
Rivera.
Yes,
that
is
correct
within
30
days
of
the
final
decision
of
the
Planning
Commission.
D
And
then
under,
if
it
was
approved
tonight
and
their
use
met
all
the
requirements
it
could
just
be
approved
administratively
and
governing
body
would
never
Planning
Commission
or
governing
body
would
never
be
able
to
see
that
correct.
Y
It
would
be
a
building
permit,
which
would
be
approved
administratively.
Those
are
appealable
and
by
certain
people
in
our
appeals
section
as
administrative
decisions,
it
would
get
appealed
to
probably
the
Planning
Commission,
maybe
the
board
of
adjustments,
and
that
would
be
the
final
decision,
so
that
would
not
be
appealable
to
governing
body.
It
would
be
appealable
to.
D
D
N
Councilmember
Rivera,
the
airport
overlay
relates
a
lot
to
design
and
particular
use
prohibitions
so,
for
instance,
with
alcohol
type
of
uses,
but
this
that
would
be
reviewed
for
the
airport
overlay.
But
it's
more
related
to
design
in
terms
of
fronting
buildings
on
the
street,
not
having
so
much
parking
adjacent
and
all
that
type
of
thing
right.
A
N
D
H
Thank
you
so
much
Mr,
Mayor,
and
and
thank
you
to
my
colleagues
who
started.
H
Questioning
that
was
also
curious
about
what
exactly
we
would
be,
allowing
with
C2
the
the
realm
of
possibilities.
I
I'm
curious,
you
know,
obviously,
if
we're
talking
about
a
community
commercial
property,
there's
there's
benefit
in
looking
to
what
the
community
needs.
They're.
Also,
in
theory,
is
a
good
return
on
investment.
If
you
are
building
something.
That
is
something
that
the
community
desires
I'm,
not
sure.
H
B
H
At
the
top
of
their
head,
I
know:
I.
Don't
either
has
the
applicant
heard
of
the
airport
road
Main
Street
program
and
have
you
engaged
with
this
community
group.
Z
Apologize
Mr,
Mayor,
councilor
cassett,
we
have
not,
but
we
have
had
some
Community
engagement.
We've
had
two
ens
with
the
community.
Z
H
Okay,
so
just
the
community,
the
the
main
airport,
road,
Main
Street
program
and
again
I'm,
not
sure
if
this
section
of
Airport
Road
is
included
in
that
maybe
I'll
look
it
up
in
a
minute,
but
you
know
they're
really
taking
a
look
at.
How
do
we
design
Airport
Road
or
how
do
you
know?
H
What
is
it
that
the
community
really
wants
and
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
benefit
of
of
engaging
with
this
type
of
group
really
embedded
in
the
South
Side
very
engaged
Community
working
with
our
Economic
Development
Department
to
really
discuss
what
are
the
things
that
the
community
needs?
H
H
So
you
may
not
be
able
to
answer
this
question
because
you're,
not
the
owner
of
the
property
but
but
I,
would
hope
to
see
some
engagement
with
this
group
and
really
talking
about
the
best
use
for
this
property
and
what's
really
going
to
not
only
serve
the
community,
but
what
the
community
would
be
really
excited
about
and
willing
to
support
and
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
benefit
there
and
I
apologize.
It's
very
late,
so
I'm
going
to
yield
the
floor
right
now.
Thank.
C
You
thank
you.
Pat
can
I
ask
you
to
answer
a
question
or
two
on
my
behalf.
C
Thank
you.
Can
you
remind
us
what
the
criteria
are
for
a
change
to
the
general
plan.
A
Y
A
Y
It
is
in
the
memo,
but
I
can
also,
if.
C
You
can
summarize
it
would
be
just
to
because
I
think
what
we
you
know.
We
I
also
read
the
the
memo
and
the
comments
that
came
up
at
the
time
of
the
Planning
Commission
consideration
and
I
think
there's
a
great
interest
in
and
a
tendency
to
speculate
on
what
might
or
might
not
be
located
on
that
site.
But
the
the
actual
criteria
are
different
from
that
consideration:
they're
much
more
specific
to
the
Gen.
What
a
general
plan
change
requires.
Y
Yes,
and
so
it
is
in
section
14-3.2
e,
which
is
amendments,
the
general
plan,
the
approval
approval
criteria
include
consistency
with
growth
projections
for
Santa,
Fe,
Economic,
Development
goals
and
consistency
with
parts
of
the
other
parts
of
the
general
plan.
This
is
a
general
plan
Amendment
and
that
the
amendment
does
not
change.
Y
Allow
a
change
that
is
significantly
different
or
inconsistent
with
the
prevailing
use
and
character
of
the
area
affectionate
area,
less
than
two
acres,
which
this
is
more
than
two
acres
benefit
one
or
a
few
landowners
at
the
expense
of
surrounding
landowners
and
General
Public,
and
then
a.
C
Number
of
other
things
so
the
gist
of
what
we're
being
asked.
With
regard
to
the
general
plan,
it
seems
to
me
the
question
in
the
one
of
the
questions
in
front
of
us
goes
to
items
a
b
and
c
in
particular,
which
is:
is
it
consistent
with
growth
projections?
Is
it
consistent
with
other
parts
of
the
general
plan
and
does
it
more
or
less
conform
to
the
changes
that
have
gone
on
within
that
area
of
the
city
that
Corridor
and
it
cannot
be
less?
We
went
through
this,
the
other
on
Saturday.
C
The
questions
I
mean
once
going
twice
in
that
case,
I'm
going
to
close
the
public
hearing.
If
we
can
reopen
it,
if
there's
a
motion
but
I
didn't
see
any
other
hands
for
questions
and
I
will
entertain
a
motion
or
two
for
the
general
plan.
Amendment
and
the
zone
change.
G
Okay,
so
I
moved
to
approve
the
requests
to
amend
the
general
plan
and
future
land
use
map
from
office
to
community
commercial
for
property
located
at
6350,
Airport
Road.
C
F
All
right,
counselor,
Michael,
Garcia.
P
D
F
C
Thank
you.
I'd
also,
then,
entertain
a
motion
on
the
next
case
and
councilor
Garcia.
You
still
have
the
floor,
sir.
D
Not
discussion
but
I
hope
the
applicant
does
something
nice
for
Airport,
Road
and
I
saw
you
writing
down
about
the
main
street.
So
just
wanted
to.
Let
you
know.
Miguel
Acosta
with
earthcare
is
with
that
Main
Street
program.
C
H
P
E
E
C
A
F
Item
28
is
appointments.
We
have
two
appointments
to
the
economic
development
advisory
committee:
Kristen
willetty,
an
appointment
with
a
term
expiring
in
June
of
2024
and
Mary
on
denying
Dragon
glass
that
one
with
an
appointment
term
expiring
in
June
of
2024.