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A
C
It
would
help
if
I
was
on
mute
all
right.
So
we
know
mayor
weber
is
excused
for
this
meeting.
Counselor
beta
here,
counselor
cassette,
councilor,
garcia,
present
councillor
lindell
here,
councillor
rivera
councillor
romero
worth
here
councillor
v
hill
coupler
is
also
excused
this
evening,
and
I
will
note
that
councilwoman
villarreal
will
be
joining
us
as
she's
able.
So
with
that
mayor
pro
tem,
you
do
have
a
quorum.
B
D
We
had
a
meeting
with
the
city
manager
and
the
mayor,
and
they
presented
this
huge
like
slight
deck,
about
good
governance
right
and
we
kind
of
we
kind
of
chuckled
because
we
were
like
what
is
this
and
but
basically
it
was
kind
of
what
we
learned,
the
first
nine
months
in
office
and
all
the
all
the
meetings
and
all
the
procedures
and
the
process
that
we've
had
to
go
through
and
it's
kind
of
like.
Can
we
be
more
efficient
as
a
governing
body
and
as
a
as
as
a
city?
And
so
that's
I.
D
I
started
thinking
about
an
exercise
or
a
project.
I
did
as
the
county
manager
with
the
league
of
women
voters,
but
that
was
around
transparency
and
I
thought
to
myself
and
I
I
think
the
mayor
got
a
little
offended
or
hurt
with
us
counselor,
because
we
kind
of
kind
of
went
at
him
about
his
good
governance
and
he's
like
don't.
We
have
more
important
things.
D
Well,
let's
work
on
this
together:
let's,
let's:
let's
do
it,
you
know
let
let's
see,
let's
take
a
shot
at
looking
at
the
process
we
followed
and
and
and
changes
we
could
make
and
then,
as
we
got,
that
initiative
initiative
going,
councilwoman
cassette
was
like
I'm
interested
in
that
and
I
want
to.
I
want
to
help,
and-
and
so
that's
really
what
this
is-
we've
been
working
as
a
group
with
attorney
mcsherry
and
with
jessie
and
and
we've
been
taught
looking
at
the
the
procedures
and
the
rules
and
and
seeing
how.
D
How
can
we
become
more
efficient
as
a
as
a
governing
body,
because,
ultimately
it
benefits
the
public
who
we
are,
who
we
are
in
office
for
and
and
are
serving
in,
and
I
think,
want
to
see
things
a
little
more
efficient.
So
with
that
I
just
want
to.
I
want
to
thank
the
staff,
because
we
have
been
working
on
this
for
quite
some
time
now
and
councilwoman
romero
worth
and
cassette
for
dedicating
the
time
weekly
with
us
to
be
looking
at
these
and
and
having
the
discussion,
and
we
think
where
it's
in.
D
We
think
it's
in
a
we're.
Getting
to
the
point
where
we
need
the
rest
of
your
buy-in
on
this
and
ultimately,
hopefully
adoption
so
that,
like
I
said,
we
do
become
more
efficient
as
a
governing
body,
because,
ultimately,
that's
what's
gonna
serve
the
the
residents
best
and
make
santa
fe
a
better
place
to
to
live
in
the
long
run.
So
that's
that's
my
spill
and
and
the
history
and
background
behind
that.
E
Thank
you,
counselor
councillor
romero
worth.
Thank
you
mayor
pro
tem.
I
would
just
add
to
that.
We
did
also
have
jennifer
fabian
when
she
was
with
us.
Helped
was
part
of
the
staff
group
that
was
helping.
I
think
it
was
that
slide
deck,
that
good
governance
slide
deck
had
a
variety
of
recommendations.
E
Some
changes
there
right
now.
The
way
it
works
is
we
don't
do
public
comment
until
the
bill
is
on
final
passage
at
the
governing
body.
It's
already
moved
through
the
committees,
and
so
one
of
the
things
we
wanted
to
do
is
give
an
opportunity
for
public
comment
on
the
front
end
of
a
bill's
journey
through
our
process,
so
that
we
could
act
on
some
of
those
suggestions
earlier
because,
by
the
time
we
get
to
final
passage.
E
We
usually
can't
do
a
whole
whole
lot
to
to
address
particular
issues
that
may
come
up,
and-
and
so
I
would
just
say
that
the
the
public
commenting
period
or
provisions
are
really
important
piece
of
all
of
this,
and
I
also
want
to
give
councillor
cassette
a
chance
to
to
speak.
Madame
protem,
because
she's
been
an
integral
part
of
of
this
process
and
trying
to
figure
it
out
very
exciting
to
be
at
this
moment
and
I'd
also
thank
all
the
staff
that
has
helped
us.
F
I
know
a
lot
of
times
we'll
get
to
governing
body
and
spend
those
meetings
trying
to
to
make
this
thing
something
that
we
want
to
pass,
but
this
will
really
give
us
a
lot
more
opportunity
for
some
more
thoughtful
conversation
and
research
and
ultimately,
the
goal
is
to
be
passing
better
policy
to
be
better
better
serving
the
city
so
and
thank
you
yeah
to
the
staff
at
this
was
this.
Was
a
heavy
lift?
F
We
were,
we
were
meeting
weekly
for
months
for
an
hour
every
monday
and
it
was
a
lot
so
really
huge,
kudos
to
jessie
and
to
aaron
and
to
christine
and
jennifer's
no
longer
with
us,
but
but
she
was
so
key
in
the
beginning,
and
I
just
really
want
to
recognize
all
of
the
hours
that
went
into
creating
this.
So
I
will
stop
there
and
we'll
we'll
jump
on
in.
Thank
you.
B
A
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
ask:
I
noticed
the
newly
elected
councilwoman
chavez
had
been
included
on
the
invitation
list
for
this
meeting.
I
don't
know
if
she's
here
or
not,
and
then
I
asked
for
counsel,
to
be
included
in
this
as
well,
and
I
don't
see
that
that
he's
on
either.
But
are
we
going
to
have
to
have
this
meeting
again
after
the
first
of
the
year
to
include
them
in
in
the
the
procedural
rules.
B
H
Mayor
pro
tem
lindell,
I
see
clerk
bustos
mahalisik
has
her
hand
up
too,
so
I
don't
know
she
has
the
background
information.
I
think
regardless,
which
procedural
roles
are
in
effect
when
the
new
year
starts,
we'll
need
to
do
training
with
the
new
counselors
which,
whichever
roles
you
know,
roles
are
in
place.
So
I
think
we're
planning
to
do
that
and
and
other
training
as
well
so.
C
I
also
just
wanted
to
know
I
actually
did
not
include
originally
counselor
elect
chavez
that
she
has
not
yet
sworn
in.
However,
I
do
want
to
note
that,
after
our
conversation,
I
did
provide
a
youtube
link
for
counselor
chavez
and
alex
chavez
and
also
counselor
like
garcia,
to
participate,
and
I
did
let
them
know
that
if
they
joined
this
zoom
meeting,
they
could
view
the
meeting,
but
that
this
is
actually
a
study
session
for
our
current
governing
body.
C
A
But
you
know
I
do
appreciate
all
the
work
that's
been
done
and
and
clearly
we'll
go
through
the
meeting
tonight,
but
just
wondering
if
it
would
have
been
more
appropriate
to
do
after
the
first
of
the
year.
But
you
know
clearly
won't
move
forward
and
they'll
they'll
deal.
I
guess
with
whatever
we
decide.
C
C
E
We
all
came
into
office
and
we,
you
know,
were
given
the
process
that
that
was
there.
We
inherited
the
process
that
was
there
now,
if
as
if
we
can
get
this
done
before
the
end
of
the
year,
and
I
think
we
are
in
the
best
position
to
comment
about
the
process
and
to
make
changes
to
the
process
if,
after
the
first
of
the
year,
there
are
other
changes
that
we
decide
need
to
be
made.
E
E
That
would
be
the
best
way
to
go
and-
and
those
are
our
new
counselors
can't
participate
yet
because
they're
not
sworn
in,
but
you
know
I
used
to
watch
the
city
council
meetings
as
a
as
a
a
newly
elected
counselor,
just
to
see
what
was
going
on
and-
and
I
I
think,
that's
great
if
they
are
here-
and
they
are
listening,
because
it
just
helps
get
your
feet
under
you
for
when
you
actually
are
sworn
in.
So
just
wanted
to
make
those
comments.
Thank
you.
I
I
think,
given
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
rule
set,
they
have
to
abide
by
there's
no
time
frame.
That's
really
putting
us
under
pressure
to
pass
this
and
and
with
all
due
respect
to
councillor
beta,
whose
term
is
ending
at
the
end
of
the
year.
I
understand
that,
but
I
think
there's
no
reason
why
we
couldn't
include
the
new
counselors
in
deciding
the
process
that
they're
going
to
be
a
part
of.
I
think
it's
not
affording
them
the
opportunity
off.
The
bat
is
not
a
way.
I
We
should
start
off
their
term
to
council
romero.
Point
of
that.
We
all
came
into
rule
set.
That's
absolutely
true,
but
we
didn't
come
into
rule
sets
that
were
changed
the
month
prior
to
us
coming
on
board
when
when,
as
I
mentioned,
there's
no
reason
for
us
to
hold
off,
we
couldn't
hold
off
on
to
having
this
on
the
agenda
for
in
january.
We
can.
We
can
talk
about
this
in
committee,
but
I
think
ultimate
passage
should
wait
until
january
on
this,
which
is
just
given
our
current
circumstances.
H
B
J
J
We
do
have
limited
time,
so
if
you
could
first
hold
off
on
questions
until
the
end
and
second
of
all,
if
we
can,
you
know,
I
think,
we're
all
open
for
discussion
on
this,
but
if
we
can
hold
up
on
the
merits
of
any
particular
aspect
of
it
until
it
actually
goes
through
the
community
process
and
the
governing
body,
I
think
that
would
make
sure
that
we
can
stay
within
this
two
hour
time
frame.
So
with
that,
I
will
start.
J
J
We
also
looked
at
the
shortcomings
of
our
current
rules,
pitfalls
and
lack
of
clarity
and
then
brainstorm
creative
solutions
that
work
for
us.
So
we
can
look
at
what
other
municipalities
do.
Maybe
we
want
to
take.
Maybe
we
want
to
take
that
and
put
it
into
our
our
own
system,
but
maybe
there's
some
part
about
it
that
didn't
quite
work
so
we're
trying.
So
we
tried
to
figure
out
ways
that
we
can
incorporate
all
that
into
our
own
process.
J
So
a
brief
overview
of
the
changes.
If
you've,
if
you've
read
through
the
proposed
changes,
you
probably
won't
notice.
Some
of
these,
we
move
some
of
the
existing
material
around
to
create
a
more
understandable
document
document,
make
it
more
streamlined.
An
example
of
this
is
in
the
current
rules.
All
the
information
under
relating
to
executive
session
is
in
the
order
of
meeting,
so
it
sort
of
muddies
up
that
section.
So
we
pull
that
out
into
its
own
section.
We
establish
definitions
which
don't
currently
exist.
J
J
We
revised
the
meeting
order,
for
example,
we
actually
I'll
talk
about
this
later
so
including
another
request
to
publish,
is
not
it's
not
automatic
and
I'll
talk
about
that.
Also
later
created
a
section
on
reusing
yourself
from
a
vote.
What
the
requirements
are
for
that,
when
you
should
do
it,
we
expanded
and
clarified
the
main
motion
and
debate
section,
and
then
we
also
changed
the
vote
required
for
suspension
of
the
rules
from
a
majority
to
a
two-thirds
majority.
Two-Thirds
majority
is
what
robert
jules
created.
J
Primary
changes
to
the
agenda
we
combined
the
afternoon
and
evening
sessions,
so
there
aren't
any.
There
aren't
separate
sections
of
the
agenda.
Now
we
put
minutes
on
the
consent
agenda.
So
if
there
are
changes,
it
would
be
just
like
any
other
item
on
consent
that
you
want
to
pull
off
upcoming
public
hearings,
which
is
a
section
that
christine
had
started
started
doing
several
months
ago,
six
months
or
so
ago,
is
now
going
to
go
under
communications
from
the
city
clerk,
as
opposed
to
the
very
end
of
the
agenda.
J
We
put
introduction
of
legislation
as
its
own
section
after
communications
from
the
governing
body
one
chain,
one
thing
that
we
did
not
change.
The
petitions
from
the
floor
are
still
scheduled
at
seven
there's,
an
additional
section
for
public
input,
which
is
the
first
public
comment
on
bills.
We
delineated
public
hearings
for
legislation
from
other
types
like
land
use
cases
and
appeals,
and
we
moved
appointments
to
the
end.
D
J
So
I'm
just
going
to
quickly
go
through
what
our
current
process
is
and
then
what
the
proposed
process
is
and
then
jen
did
these
slides,
probably
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
and
I
have
tweaked
them
based
on
what
we've
ended
up
proposing.
So
this
is
the
how
bills
go
through
the
committee
process.
At
this
point,
I'm
sure
you're
all
familiar
with
this
subject
matter:
advisory
committees
depending
on
the
content
city,
council,
standing
committees,
the
request
to
publish
and
then
the
public
hearing.
J
J
J
Really
available
the
public
to
be
engaged
earlier
in
the
process
allows
you
all
to
take
that
those
comments
that
are
provided
and
potentially
integrate
them
into
the
legislation
as
an
amendment
or
some
other
change
from
there.
It
goes
to
the
relevant
committees
and
then
back
to
governing
body
for
the
public
hearing,
which
includes
another
opportunity
for
the
public
to
comment
and
the
governing
body
could
choose
to
refer
back
to
a
previous
committee
or
anyone
if
it
so
chooses,
and
so
there
are
providing
multiple
opportunities
for
public
comment.
J
J
J
J
Any
co-sponsors
will
have
a
minute
and
and
any
other
governing
body
members
who
want
to
sign
on
as
co-sponsors
can
do
so
at
this
point,
they're
up
until
72
hours
before
the
meeting
so
they're,
sometimes
counselors
will
will
sign
on
as
sponsors
when
the
legislation
is
adopted,
which
can
just
creates
more
work
for
for
staff.
So
we're
trying
to
have
them
sign
on
earlier
they're,
also
not
listed
on
the
agenda
as
a
sponsor.
If
you
sign
on
when
it's
adopted,
so
that's
a
benefit
to
you
as
well.
J
During
the
introduction,
there
aren't
any
questions,
discussion
or
debate.
It's
simply
entering
the
legislation
of
the
legislation
into
the
record,
as
counselor
cassette
mentioned,
and
I
think
this
was
the
item
that
brought
her
into
the
discussion
was
that
legislation
was
must
be
fully
drafted
and
signed
by
the
city
attorney
prior
to
introduction.
So
this
is
probably
the
biggest
one
of
the
biggest
changes.
J
From
our
current
process,
and
really,
I
think,
we'll
streamline
how
we
get
things
to
committee,
it
will
make
staff
lines
easier.
I
think,
including
aaron,
who
won't
have
to
rush
to
review
and
sign
something
that's
supposed
to
go
on
a
committee
the
next
week.
So
that's
one
of
the
big
changes
there
and
then
a
slight
tweak
here
right
now.
Legislative
staff
essentially
sets
a
committee
schedule,
but
we're
going
to
work
more
closely
with
the
primary
sponsor
to
determine
which
committees
and
dates
that
the
legislation
goes
to
next
committee
review.
J
So
it
must,
in
order
to
get
on
the
governing
body.
Agenda
has
to
be
approved
by
at
least
one
committee.
If
it's
approved
by
all
the
committees
to
which
it's
referred.
It
goes
on
consent
if
it
doesn't,
if
it's,
maybe,
if
there's
no
recommendation
or
denial
of
one
committee,
an
approval,
the
other,
it
will
go
on
discussion
and
that's
only
resolutions
not
not
for
bills,
we're
establishing
more
of
a
linear
process,
so
order
of
committees
will
be
the
standing
or
the
advisory
committees
or
any
other
task
forces
or
ad
hoc
committees.
J
J
If
it's
some
legitimate,
current
concern
that
is
raised,
this
is
so
that
we're
not
scrambling
at
the
last
minute
at
the
public
hearing
when
the
item
is
to
be
voted
on
scrambling
to
make
amendments
based
on
you
know
something
that
you
may
have
heard
by
the
by
the
public,
but
there's
no
discussion
or
comment
by
members.
It's
only
it's
just
an
opportunity
to
listen
to
the
public
provide
their
their
input.
J
J
And
then,
lastly,
after
it
goes
through
the
other
committees,
it
will
go
to
the
public
hearing.
So,
as
you
probably
mentioned
on
the
order
of
business,
we're
going
to
have
two
different
sections
for
public
hearings.
The
first
is
for
legislation.
The
second
is
for
land
use
cases
and
or
appeals,
and
so
this
is
a
provides,
a
final
opportunity
for
public
comment.
J
If
it's,
if
it's
one
of
your
constituents,
then
our
current
rules
don't
have
any
established
process
for
amendments,
so
we're
putting
that
in
there
as
well.
So
they
have
to
be
written
and
provided
as
early
on
in
the
process
as
possible
if
they
are,
if
they
aren't
they're,
not
discussed
at
committee.
So
if
they're
proposed
at
governing
body,
they
need
to
be
presented
in
writing.
J
My
suggestion
in
in
this
case
would
be
just
to
submit
something
to
me
via
email
and
then
I
can
distribute
it
to
the
rest
of
the
governing
body.
So
if
we
go
that
route,
one
of
the
main
changes
in
terms
of
legislation
or
in
terms
of
amendments
is
that,
let's
say
an
item
is
that
public
works
and
an
amendment
is
approved
to
a
resolution.
So
now
you
have
a
resolution,
you
have
an
amendment
and
that's
approved
by
that
committee.
Then
it
goes
on
to
quality
of
life.
J
That
amendment
is
now
attached
to
that
legislation.
So
if
quality
of
life
decides
that
they're,
okay
with
that
amendment-
and
they
want
to
keep
it-
then
they're,
gonna
they're
gonna,
make
the
motion
to
approve
it
not
to
approve
his
amendment
is
amended
but
to
approve
it
if,
for
whatever
reason,
quality
of
life
decides
they
don't
like
that
amendment,
there's
going
to
have
to
be
a
special,
a
specific
motion
to
strip
those
amendments
from
the
legislation.
J
The
process
right
now
is
when
amendments
are
voted
on
a
committee,
it's
more
of
a
recommendation
whether
they're,
approved
or
denied
they're
still
loosely
attached
to
the
legislation
until
it
gets
to
governing
body,
which
there
really
is
a
final
determination
of
whether
or
not
they
are
approved
or
not,
and
so
that
is
my
presentation
and
I
will
stop
sharing,
but
I
can
go
back
to
any
of
this
if
people
have
specific
questions.
So
thank
you,
mayor
pro
10.
B
Thank
you,
mr
ginn.
I
think
probably
the
best
way
to
do
this
is
to
well
someone
will
put
their
hand
up
and
we
can
start
and
we'll
go
through,
and
I
would
ask
people
to
be
mindful
of
the
amount
of
time
that
they
take
with
their
questions.
There
are
numerous
people
here
and
it's
past
5
30,
so
I
can't
see
whose
hand
is
up
if
you
want
to
give
me
a
wave-
and
let
me
know
that
you
have
questions
we'll
start
with
the
questions.
A
J
All
right,
thank
you,
mayor
proton,
councillor
rivera
our
current
rules
are
legislation
is
supposed
to
be
introduced
at
governing
body.
However,
when
legislation
has
been
introduced
at
committee,
it's
for
a
time
sensitive
reason,
and
that
would
be
that
could
be
a
waiver
of
the
rules,
and
so
that's
why,
when
it
gets
the
governing
body
there
is
a
vote
prior
to
discussion,
to
waive
the
rules
to
allow
that
introduction
at
the
committee
level,
so
that.
A
H
So
the
whole.
The
whole
idea
is
to
try
to
avoid
those
situations
as
much
as
possible,
which
I
think
we
try
to
do
now
as
much
as
possible
as
well.
Thankfully,
we
haven't
had
a
lot
of
those
situations,
but
I
think
thinking
of
those
outlier
situations
and
how
we'll
handle
them
is
a
really
good
type
of
thing
to
be.
Considering.
J
Counselor,
I
think
that
we
can
certainly
address
that,
and
as
these
are
our
draft
rules,
so
they're,
not
necessarily
the
ones
that
will
be
included
in
the
packet
for
committees,
because
we
are
taking
the
study
session
as
providing
feedback
on
what
is
currently
drafted.
And
so
we
can
certainly
discuss
your
what
you
just
mentioned
and
see.
If
that's
something
that
we
want
to
specifically
address.
J
Married
coach,
counselor
rivera,
I
apologize.
If
I
wasn't
clear
on
that,
I
I
was
more
outlining
the
order
in
which
the
the
item
would
go,
so
it
would
go
to
advisory
committees
first
and
then
either
public
works
or
and
or
quality
of
life,
depending
on
the
subject
matter
and
then
finance.
So
it's
there's
sort
of
a
setup
of
the
way
in
the
order
in
which
they
would
they
would
go,
but
they
wouldn't
necessarily
have
to
go
to
all
three.
Unless
you
know
the
item
related
to
all
three
of
those.
E
E
They
have
specific
people
in
leadership
who
make
the
referral
to
committees.
We
don't
really
have
that
structure
or
that
those
roles,
and
so
we
were
trying
to
figure
out.
How
do
you
refer
bills
to
committee,
and
so
what
we
decided
was
that
staff
I.e,
jesse
and
maybe
aaron,
would
work
with
the
sponsor
and,
and
it
would
be
predominantly
by
their
by
their
subject
matter.
E
And,
while
I'm
on
the
subject,
I
know
we
have
had
a
lot
of
legislation.
Go
to
public
utilities
to
try
to
make
sure
that
all
the
counselors
were
able
to
see
the
bills
at
the
committee
level,
where
we
have
been
trying
to
do
the
work
so
that
we're
not
taking
up
valuable
council
governing
body
time
on
the
night
of
of
our
our
meetings,
and
we
do
have
another
change
to
that,
we'll
be
bringing
forward.
E
We
can't
do
it
in
these
rules,
and
but
we
will
have
a
an
ordinance
change
and
what
we'd
like
to
suggest
is
that
the
president
or
not
the
president
pro
tem,
sorry
wrong
governing
body.
The
the
mayor
pro
tem
would
serve
on
only
one
committee
and
that
committee
would
be
finance
and
therefore
we
wouldn't
have
the
problem
we
have
now
where
we
have
one
counselor,
who
only
sits
on
one
committee
and
sometimes
doesn't
get
to
hear
all
the
things
that
were
going
on.
So
we
were.
E
We
wanted
to
address
that
issue
and
and
then,
with
the
referral
of
the
bills,
make
sure
that
we
are
using
the
committees
and
the
committee
staff
that
goes
with
those
committees
in
the
best
way
possible.
So
we
would
refer
the
bills
to
the
subject
matter:
committees
to
the
finance
committee.
If
it
had
a
fiscal
impact
and
and
then
it
would
have
to
pass
one
of
the
committees
to
which
it
was
referred
in
order
to
go
on
the
governing
body
agenda-
and
I
see
aaron's
raising
her
hands.
E
H
Proton
lindell
and
our
counselor
mayor
pro
tem,
lindell
and
council.
Remember
nothing
that
not
you
didn't
misspeak.
I
just
wanted
to
add
one
thing,
which
is
an
additional
step
that
we've
put
into.
I
think
the
proposal,
which
is
that
the
the
sponsoring
counselor
would
determine
which
committees
are
subject
matter
appropriate,
but
if,
at
the
time
of
introduction,
the
council
disagrees
with
those
referrals
that
objection
can
be
raised
at
that
time
as
a
challenge
to
the
referrals
and
a
vote
on
either
additional
or
alternative
referrals
can
be
made
at
that
time.
H
So,
if
you
know,
maybe
something
had
a
fiscal
impact
and
it
wasn't
identified
initially
and
the
counselors
say
like
wait
a
second.
We
think
that
needs
to
go
to
finance
and
you
didn't
refer
to
finance
we'd
like
to
amend
that
referral.
That
opportunity
is
there
right
now,
it's
just
it's
just
not
really
clear
who
decides
right
now.
E
A
So
in
in
that
situation
you
described
with
the
pro
tem
only
being
on
finance
that
kind
of
sets
up
the
situation
we
have
now,
where
you
have
a
counselor,
a
decision
maker
only
on
one
committee,
which
we
currently
have
right
now.
So
if
that
person
introduces
legislation
and
wants
it
to
go
to
the
committee
that
they're
on-
and
you
know,
I
can't
say
that
the
situation
may
change
after
january
1st.
E
So
you
mean,
if
the
if
the
pro
tem
had
a
the
mayor,
pro
tem
had
a
piece
of
legislation
and
they
didn't
refer
it
to
or
they
didn't
it
didn't
belong
at
finance,
but
they
put
it
there
because
that's
the
committee
that
they
sat
on
is
that
is
that
the
hypothetical
yeah
I
so
again,
this
change.
We
will
be
making
what
we
will
be
talking
about
separately,
because
we
can't
make
it
through
the
through
these
procedural
rules,
and
I
guess
the
thinking
was
the
mayor
pro
tem
by
the
happened
by
because
they
are
mayor.
E
E
I
think
we
all
know
that
this
has
been
caused,
some
hard
feelings,
and
you
know-
and
it's
just
the
nature
of
of
what
we
have
some
somebody
has
to
only
serve
on
one,
and
we
thought
if
it
were
the
mayor
pro
tem,
it
would
be
somebody
who
is
otherwise
in
the
know
about
lots
of
things.
You
know
the
general
running
of
of
the
city
and
therefore
wouldn't
feel
ostracized,
but
I
think
again
you
could
to
the
city
attorney's
point
you
could
always
challenge.
E
A
J
That's
remarkable
counselor
that
I
believe,
that's
that's
true.
I
am
trying
to
find
the
page
on
this.
The
exception
to
that
is
that
finance
committee
must
review
all
legislation
with
a
fiscal
impact
which
is
is
really
no
change
from
how
it
currently
currently
is
right
and
that
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
there
has
to
be
some
expenditure
or
some
revenue
coming
in,
but
it
has
to
have
some
sort
of
fiscal
impact.
Even
if
it's
there's
no
money
changing
hands.
J
J
A
All
right,
miss
mcsherry.
So
if
you
make
a
motion
to
move
an
item
forward
without
a
recommendation,
you're
moving
it
forward,
but
you're
not
ready
to
actually
vote
on
it,
and
I
think
that's
the
situation
that
we
were
involved
in.
So
we
want
it
to
go
forward
to
governing
body
we're
just
not
maybe
we
need
additional
information
or
you
know,
staff
may
ask
for
additional
time
to
provide
that
if
we
make
the
motion
to
move
it
forward,
does
that
then
not
move
it
forward.
H
H
And
so
the
idea
is,
if
there's
not
enough
information,
then
the
committee
should
see
it
again
or
refer
to
another
committee
that
would
obtain
that
information.
So
the
recommendation
of
the
of
the
sponsors
is
that
in
terms
of
whether
it
goes
to
governing
body
or
not
that
at
least
one
committee
should
have
at
least
supported
it
by
a
simple
majority.
F
Air
pro
time
can
I
can
I
jump
in
on
this
question.
Real
quick
go
ahead.
Counselor.
Thank
you,
council
revere.
I
think
one
one
part
that
I'm
not
sure
was
clear,
because
we
had
a
lot
of
discussion
on
on
that
exact
question
and
to
your
point
you
know.
Sometimes
we
just
need
more
information
and
it
doesn't
mean
we
necessarily
want
to
vote
it
down.
We
are
moving
or
we
are
proposing
that
we
move
to
a
linear
process.
F
So
right
now,
there's
not
really
a
way
to
hold
a
bill
in
a
committee
without
that
bill
moving
forward
it
already.
I
think
we
experienced
this
recently
with
something
that
we
wanted
it
to
stop
and
we
wanted
more
time
to
work
on
it
and
we
didn't
want
it
to
move
on
to
finance
and
we
didn't
quite
have
that
ability.
I
think
we
somehow
made
it
work.
F
I
think
counselor
beta
simply
took
it
off
the
finance
agenda
out
of
respect
for
the
quality
of
life
committee
wanting
to
do
this
work
with
these
proposals,
the
committee
process
becomes
linear,
so
it
will
not
move
on.
If
say,
quality
of
life
decides
that
they
want
to
hold
that
bill
for
one
additional
committee
meeting
in
order
to
describe
exactly
what
you
were
saying
to
get
more
information
from
staff.
If
there's
something
that
we
feel
that
we're
not
able
to
vote
on
it
at
this
time.
F
F
F
You
sure
could-
and
we
actually
I
mean
we
kind
of-
do-
have
we've
seen
that
happen
recently
in
quality
of
life
and
finance
there.
There
is
a
block
of
us
that
that,
because
the
three
of
us
sit
on
the
same
committee,
we've
stopped
legislation
that
has
gone
to
both
quality
of
life
and
finance,
because
that's
their
appropriate
assignment.
So
yeah.
D
F
Sorry,
I'm
sure
you're
about
to
say
that
we
can
only
hold
it
for
one
extra
committee
meeting
and
at
that
point
it
does
have
to
to
move
on
so
but
either
if
it
gets
killed
by
unanimous
vote
of
five.
Because
that's
the
majority
of
the
governing
body
or
we
can
hold
it
for
one
additional
committee
meeting.
But
to
your
point
so
that
people
are
not
using
that
as
a
mechanism.
F
E
Add
the
only
reason
the
only
way
that
you
can
kill
a
bill
is,
if
all
five
members
of
a
committee
say
no,
I
believe,
that's
and
that
the
thinking
is
is
that's
the
number
of
votes
on
the
governing
body,
five.
That
would
be
required
to
kill
a
bill
if
it
got
there.
So
if
it's
gonna,
if
it's
gonna
die
when
it
gets
to
governing
body,
why
prolong
the
agony?
H
H
That
is
the
same
as
now
under
the
current
proposal.
But
if
we
want-
and
so
under
that
scenario,
if
there
were
if
a
bill
were
referred
to,
two
committees
and
both
committees
do
not
recommend
approval,
then
that
item
would
not
show
up
on
a
governing
body
agenda,
which
is
that
is
consistent
with
the
current
practice
as
well.
But
if
we
would
like
to
change
that,
that's
something
to
talk
about.
A
Yeah
I've.
You
know
I've
changed
my
mind
on
a
bill
before
that
came
to
committee
and
then
once
more
information
and
the
public
spoke
about
it.
I
changed
my
mind
about
it,
and
this
doesn't
seem
to
really
give
us
that
option
and
again
that's
you
know
it's
just
a
concern
of
mine,
so
I'll
move
on,
because
I
know
we're
we're
busy
and
there's
a
lot
of
us
that
probably
have
more
questions.
There
was
a
comment
that
was
made
that
a
bill
cannot
move
forward
unless
it's
signed
by
the
city
attorney.
A
H
H
J
Airport
come
on
down
council
rivera,
it
was
more
about
a
new
section
and
you're
right.
I
didn't
I
wanted
to.
You
know
highlight
the
the
main
some
other
sections,
the
whole
decorum
section
is
essentially
new.
There's
there's
not
a
public
there's,
not
a
decorum
section,
currently
existing
in
our
rules.
I
think
there's,
maybe
one
paragraph
about
public
decorum.
I
I
If
a
committee
doesn't
want
something
to
pass,
they
can
they
can
deny
it
and
say
we
don't
recommend
it,
but
we
shouldn't
be
able
to
kill
legislation
in
committee.
We
should
afford
all
opportunities
to
get
the
work
done.
As
folks
have
said
in
the
past
in
committee.
That
way,
should
it
go
to
governing
body
there.
It's
it's
been
given
all
opportunities
for
revisions
and
refinement
because,
as
councilor
rivera
mentioned,
there
has
been
legislation
in
one
committee.
I
I
voted
against
it,
but
then
there
were
amendments
made
and
I
voted
for
it
by
the
time
it
made
to
governing
body.
I
wasn't
supportive
of
it,
so
I
think
that's.
We
really
need
to
think
of
that
and
maybe
make
that
change.
I
guess
a
couple
housekeeping
things.
First,
before
I
get
into
questions
these
new
proposed
rules
are
not
on
the
public
version
of
prime
gov,
so
just
I
want
to
make
make
that
clear.
All
that
there
is
is
the
resolution
and
the
prior
rules
and
procedures.
I
I
We
it
was
mentioned
before
that
a
lot
of
this
is
done
for
better
governance
for
the
public.
So
with
that
being
said,
we
need
to
include
in
the
in
future
packets
a
strike
through
version
of
these
proposal
changes.
The
public
has
to
be
able
to
clearly
delineate
what
is
new,
what
is
old,
what's
being
taken
away
without
that
the
public
doesn't
know,
and
so
we
we
need
to
incorporate
that
into
at
minimum
our
first
committee
meeting
whenever
that
takes
place
and
throughout
the
rest
of
the
process.
I
I
I
Approving
amendments
in
the
committee
process
can
we
can
I
get?
Can
we
kind
of
go
through
that
again
or
am
I
understanding
that
if
committees
vote
down,
which
can
ultimately
mean
three
three
councillors,
they
can
control
the
amendment
process,
three
counselors.
So
can
I
want
to
clearly
understand
this
process.
J
Mayor
pro
counselor
garcia,
the
the
process
yeah.
So
if,
if
something
is
not
approved
at
the
committee,
if
it's
a
three
to
two
vote,
then
it
then
it
sort
of
acts
like
it
is
right
now
where
it
still
floats
along
with
legislation.
But
it's
not
it's
not
considered
incorporated
into
the
into
the
actual
text.
So
it
could.
You
know
you
could
bring
it
up
again
at
the
next
committee
at
that
point,
but
it
wouldn't
be
considered
incorporated
into
the
legislation
if
it
was
denied
at
the
previous
committee.
I
I
J
Councillor
garcia,
that
that
would
only
be
at
the
committee
level
so
once
it
got
to
the
governing
body,
it
would
take
five.
If
there
were
five
votes
to
to
strip
that
amendment,
then
they
could
do
it
at
that
that
point,
so
I
don't
think
that
we're
committing
three
people
of
putting
in
something
that
the
majority
doesn't
want
as
a
whole.
I
So
then,
I
guess
my
question
to
that
is
then:
how
is
that
making
it
more
efficient
if
it's
you're
you're
then
having
to
take
that
additional
step?
I
think
it's
just
somewhat,
maybe
potentially
complicating
the
process
a
little
more
in
that
in
that
instance,
because
we
then
have
to
unpack
amendments
that
potentially
three
counselors
made.
J
There's
no,
you
know
you
propose
amendments
at
a
committee
level
and
they're
approved
or
they're
not
approved,
but
that
in
either
way
there's
they
still
go
on
to
the
next
meeting,
whether
it's
another
committee
or
governing
body
and
they're,
not
truly
incorporated
and
approved
in
relation
to
that
legislation
until
the
governing
body
takes
action
on
it
and
so
we're
trying
to
address
that
shortcoming
in
our
rules
that
that
are
silent
on
amendments
and
provide
a
process
that
addresses
them.
So
certainly
you
know
the
merits
of
what
we've
put
in
here
can
be
discussed.
I
Thank
you
jesse.
I
appreciate
that
I
mean
I
agree.
The
amendment
process
does
definitely
needs
to
be
refined
and
revised,
but
I
think
we
can
really
we're
not
making
the
process
more
efficient
in
that
sense,
because
again
you
can
have
three
folks
that
approve
something
that
then
requires
the
governing
body
to
unpack
it
later,
when
if
it
didn't
require
the
full
five
at
the
front
end
we
wouldn't
be
in
that
predicament.
I
I
guess
my
next
question
is
the
referral
to
committees
by
by
the
staffer
sponsor,
and
we
kind
of
had
the
discussion
already
about
you
know
potentially
having
folks
miss
hearing
or
hearing
an
item
for
one
reason
or
another,
and
I
think
that
can
be
abused
by
a
potential
sponsor.
In
that
sense,
I
think,
if
you
know
a
potential
sponsor
doesn't
want
somebody
to
hear
it.
Let's
say,
for
example,
if
it's
the
person
that's
only
on
one
committee,
then
the
sponsor
can
control
that
process
to
say
I
don't
want
it.
I
I
mean,
I
think
we
all
know
that
anything
financial
related
goes
to
finance,
but
then
we
determine
how
staff
would
then
use
the
direction
given
from
us
on
how
to
refer
other
committees
in
a
clear,
clear
and
equitable
manner,
because
I
I
think
by
allowing
for
a
sponsor
to
refer
it
themselves,
it
allows
for
that
to
be
abused
and
and
what
we
don't
want
is
for.
Since
we're
talking
about
good
governance,
we
want
to
take
away
any
type
of
ways
where
we
can
abuse
the
process.
F
The
other
can
I
respond
to
that
before
you
move
to
the
next
one
sure
absolutely
mary,
we
actually
that
was.
We
had
that
discussion
as
well.
If
people
were
trying
to
bypass
the
process
and
not
go
to
the
appropriate
subject
matter
committees
or
to
finance
because
they
wanted
a
either
to
avoid
a
serving
committee
or
make
sure
that
certain
people
that
they
thought
would
be
friendlier
would
see
it
even
if
it
was
not
the
appropriate
committee.
F
F
This
is
absolutely
a
public
utilities
or
this
is
absolutely
quality
of
life,
or
this
has
a
fiscal
impact
and
then,
with
a
majority
vote
of
the
governing
body,
we
have
the
opportunity
to
override
that
schedule
to
make
to
to
really
check
and
balance
ourselves
and
to
make
sure
that
we
are
sending
things
to
the
appropriate
committee.
So
that
was
the
because
we
had
that
exact
same
concern,
and
that
was
the
check
that
we
are
proposing
is
put
in
place.
There.
A
H
H
Mayor
pro
tem
lindell
council
rivera,
the
topic
of
discussion
has
to
be
on
the
agenda
under
the
open
meetings
act
and
then
any
further
rules
about
our
agenda
are
in
our
procedural
roles.
So
this
this
is
a
rule
that
we're
talking
about
as
a
proposal,
which
would
be
that
introductions
would
be
listed
on
the
agenda
individually.
So
each
introduction
of
each
piece
of
legislation
would
be
listed
on
the
agenda,
so
discussion
on
that
would
be
okay
under
the
open
beans
act.
H
Mayor,
prudent,
lindell,
council
rivera
only
if
there
was
a
challenge
would
there
be
a
vote
other
than
that
it
would
just
be
announced
similar
to
how
it
is
currently.
But
there
would
be
a
specific
opportunity
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
it,
but
the
proposed
rules
as
written
currently-
and
these
are
all
just
proposals
for
the
purpose
of
discussion
and
to
get
this
type
of
feedback-
say
that
there
would
not
be
discussion
about
the
item.
The
only
thing
that's
contemplated
is
a
challenge
of
the
assignment
to
committees
and.
E
A
Get
that,
but
since
it's
going
to
be
there's
the
potential
to
vote
on
even
the
the
change
in
what
committees
it
goes
to
it's
going
to
have
to
be
listed
as
a
discussion
item
or
as
an
action
item,
because
clearly
we're
going
to
be
there's
the
potential
to
have
to
vote
on
it.
So
I
don't
want
to
take
up
all
counselor
garcia's
time.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
point.
I
Thank
you,
mayor
tim
and
council.
Rivera
brings
up
a
good
point
in
the
vote,
but
you
know
to
kind
of
piggyback
up
on
that
as
well
is
what's
to
stop
a
coalition
of
counselors
from
still
blocking
a
vote,
I
mean,
I
think
again.
We
need
to
do
everything
we
can
to
take
this
type
of
authority
away
from
the
counselors
and
and
put
this
in
staff.
What
we
need
to
do
is
develop
the
tools
to
approach
to
have
staff
appropriately
guide
them
to
the
appropriate
committees.
I
J
Know
pretend,
may
I
just
address
that
briefly,
so
the
current
process
is
that
it's
staff,
so
it's
my
office
that
determines
the
committee
assignment
and
that's
based
on
the
relevant
committees.
You
know
on
the
subject
matter
of
the
legislation.
So
if
you
look
in
chapter
2
of
city
code
2-1.13,
it
talks
about
the
various
standing
committees
and
it
goes
into
detail
about
the
oversight
of
the
three
city
council
standing
committee.
So
legislation
is
referred
to
those
based
on
what
their
oversight
is.
J
I
was
actually
the
one
who
wanted
this
change
because
I
sometimes
get
in
trouble
by
members
because
they
don't
like
the
assignments
that
I
that
I
give
to
them.
So
I
would
like
this
to
get
off
of
my
plate.
I
don't
want
to
be
involved
in
the
political
side
of
it
and
this
is
a
political
decision,
so
I
would
like
in
many
cases
I
mean
it.
I
guess
it
doesn't
have
to
be
a
political
decision
and
it
shouldn't
be,
but
it
can
turn
into
one.
J
I
But
that's
why,
as
I
mentioned,
we
need
to
provide
you
with
the
proper
tools
that
way
you
or
whomever
is,
can
points
to
the
direction
and
say
don't
be
upset
at
me.
Be
upset
at
this
prosper,
this
process
that
I
have
to
follow,
and
you
are
then
just
following
the
process
that,
through
our
policies
you're
following
because
if
if
there
is
justification
for
some
reason
or
another,
to
send
it
to
another
committee,
then
we
can
bring
that
up
as
a
governing
body
measure
in
the
political
measure
in
the
political
realm.
I
think
this.
I
I
I
want
to
respect
others
times
I'll
wait
for
the
committee
process,
but
I
will
again
reiterate:
there
needs
to
be
a
strikethrough
version
for
the
public
to
fully
understand
what
the
changes
are,
and
I
am
strongly
recommending
that
there
be
a
public
hearing
on
this
matter,
given
that
there
are
implications
that
affect
the
public,
it's
not
solely
changes
that
are
going
to
affect
the
the
governing
body.
The
public
is
going
to
be
affected
by
these
real
proposal.
Changes
as
well.
Thank
you,
madam
mayor,
sorry,
bear
pro
tim
lindell
I'll,
relinquish
the
floor.
E
I
I
If
you
fully
don't
understand
and
are
an
expert
in
what
our
current
rules
are
and
what's
being
taken
away
and
what's
being
added
and
that's
why
it's
critical,
we
need
to
be
as
fully
transparent
not
only
with
us
as
the
governing
body
members,
but
with
the
public
in
regards
to
what
these
proposed
changes
are
all
about
it.
It's
critical
that
that
we
fully
understand
and
demonstrate
what
these
changes
are.
Thank
you,
mayor,
pro-tem,.
B
K
K
K
To
what
committees-
and
that
will
actually
be
an
influencer
too
so
just
I'll
just
say
that
it's
hard
to
kind
of
figure
out
what
that
would
look
like.
I
think,
the
the
part
that
I'm
always
trying
to
figure
out
that
procedural
part
is
hard
for
me,
but
I
think
the
part
that
I'm
confused
about
is
the
so
assigning
committees.
I
agree
if
jesse
had
been,
has
been
put
in
situations
that
are
uncomfortable,
and
I
I
understand
that
makes
sense,
and
we
want
to
avoid
that.
K
K
K
H
Here
for
tom
lindell
counselors,
I
I
know
at
least
one
scenario
where
this
occurs:
there
might
be
others,
because
it
the
at
least
the
intended
assignments,
I
think,
are
included
when
legislation
is
introduced
at
least
right
now.
But
sometimes
the
problem
now
is
that
the
legislation
isn't
required
to
be
fully
drafted
in
the
packet
ready
before
introduction.
H
If
we're
not
all
on
the
same
page,
early
enough
after
introduction
to
get
it
to
committee,
then
it
doesn't
get
on
that
committee,
so
that
certainly
can
delay
certain
ones
and
one
of
the
requirements
that
jesse
talked
about
that.
I
think
these
sponsors
were
interested
in
is
making
sure
that
all
legislation
has
the
same
start
time,
so
that
that
situation
is
avoided.
Basically,
when
it's
when
it's
introduced,
the
whole
packet
would
also
be
ready
at
that
point
like
the
fir
and
the
sign
legislation.
So
then
we
know
it's
it's
ready
to
refer
to
committee.
H
So
that
way
we
don't
realize.
Sometimes
I
haven't
seen
it
at
all
when
it's
been
introduced,
and
sometimes
the
finance
department
hasn't
seen
something
at
all,
and
so
then
there
could
be
questions
going
back
and
forth
about
the
fir
about
what
the
intent
is
and
then
we
aren't
able
to
coordinate
within
those
like
couple
days.
That's
that
we
have
to
sometimes
to
get
on
a
committee,
so
that's
at
least
one
reason
why
that
might
happen
currently
that
I
think
a
different
change
is
hoping
to
address.
K
Well,
that
that's
definitely
one
example,
I
think
there's
times
that
everything's
complete
and
it
just
gets
assigned
later
on
and
other
things
get
assigned
in
that
month
for
those
committees.
So
I
just
want
to
avoid
that.
It's
it's
hard
to
see
something.
That's
ready
to
go
that
you're,
waiting
on
that
you've
been
working
a
period
of
time,
and
then
you
see
it
later
on
down
the
way
and
you're
like
well.
I
guess
that's
not
important
it
just
it
happens.
K
We
have,
we
can't
deny
it
doesn't
happen,
y'all
it
happens,
and
then
we
see
things
that
are
just
coming
to
us
and
it's
half
baked.
So
I
appreciate
that
this
is
we're
trying
to
standardize
that
where
it's
complete-
and
that
means
all
governing
body
right
mayor
included,
everybody
has
to
have
it
complete
before
it
goes
to
get
to
us
correct.
K
E
But
I
think
counselor,
if
I
can
at
introduction
it
will
give
its
referrals
and
it'll
give
the
dates
as
well.
Won't
it
jesse.
So
I
think
there's
there's
that
sort
of
accountability.
If
you
will
and
the
fact
that
it's
it's
all
there,
the
packet
materials
there,
the
thing
is
fully
drafted.
It's
been
signed
off
as
to
form
by
the
city
attorney's
office
suggests
that
there's
there
can
be
no
reason
for
the
delay.
E
So
if
your
bill
was
supposed
to
be
at
quality
of
life
the
next
wednesday-
and
it's
not-
I
I
think,
then
you
can
point
to
why.
Why
was
my
bill?
Bumped
it?
You
know
because
we
know
it's
not
because
it
wasn't
ready
and
it
didn't
have
the
appropriate
things,
because
it
said
on
the
it
said
when
it
was
introduced.
It
was
supposed
to
be
a
quality
of
life
on
this
day,
and
so
I
think
it
will
help
that
process,
because
right
now
you
know
we.
E
K
K
E
I
don't
know
how
that
works
in
terms
of
prime
gov,
and
you
know
so
as
the
quality
of
life
chair.
Just
as
an
example,
you
know,
when
I
had
staff,
we
used
to
look
at
all
right
what
has
been
assigned
to
this
committee
so
that
we
could
say
all
right.
We
know
we
have
all
this
stuff
and
then
we
want
to
add
a
presentation.
How
much
you
know?
Can
we
add
this
presentation?
E
E
You
know
schedule
because
it's
it's
just
automatically
in
there
and
and
as
a
chair,
then
I
look
at
all
the
stuff
that's
automatically
been
put
at
the
committee
and
then
that's
how
that's
my
starting
point
for
how
I
look
at
what
the
comm,
what
kind
of
room
the
committee
has
to
add
other
things
like
presentations
that
we're
interested
in.
So
I
I
I
think
this
will
help
that
problem.
K
J
Mayor
pro
tem
lundell
comes
with
vietnam,
I
don't
have
a
list
of,
I
don't
separate
it
out
by
committee.
I
separated
it
out
by
the
item
itself,
so
I
have
a
spreadsheet
that
lists
all
the
committees
that
a
certain
item
is
referred
to.
So
unless
I
actually
went
through
it
and
counted,
I
wouldn't
be
able
to
tell
you
how
many
things
are
referred
to
a
specific
committee.
K
J
So
when
it's
introduced,
if
you
don't
have
the
memo
and
fire
it's
at
least
in
the
hands
of
the
the
staff
member,
that
will
draft
it,
and-
and
you
know,
while
on
its
way,
so
this
will
help
me
and
it
will
help
you
as
well
to
know
exactly
what
what
date
and
and
obviously
we
will
work
with
the
sponsors-
is
in
the
proposal
to
figure
out
the
committees
as
well
as
the
dates.
So
it's
not
it's
not
just
figuring
out
the
committees
it's
going
to,
but
also
which
dates
specific
meetings.
J
J
The
exception
to
that
is,
if
it's,
if
there's
gonna
be
some,
you
know
harm
to
the
city
or
or
you
know
we
lose
money
or
something
like
that,
then
those
are
bumped
up
to
the
front.
You
know
if
there's
a
grant,
we're
going
to
lose
or
or
something
like
that,
then
I
know
those
are
given
priority
because
there's
going
to
be
actual
harm
to
the
city,
but
if
it's,
if
there's
no
emergency
or
it's
not
a
time
sensitive
issue,
then
it
essentially
it's
done
in
the
order
it's
received,
but
that
that
also
varies.
J
You
know
it
could
be
something
very
simple,
like
you
know,
supporting
an
item
of
legislation
at
the
state
or
it
could
be
a
brand
new
section
of
code.
That's
you
know,
creating
a
whole
new
loss,
so
those
are
going
to
take
different
periods
of
time.
I
may
get
the
request
for
a
new
section
before
the
request
for
a
resolution
and
support
of
something
but
the
resolution.
I
can
knock
out
it
in
you
know
an
hour.
So
I'm
that
will
get
done
before
the
bill
is
done.
K
H
Mayor
trent
pro
tem
lindell
conservation,
so
I
think
jesse
made
a
lot
of
good
points,
and
so
when
he
sends
me
legislation
I
often
have
questions
for
staff
about.
Is
this
the
name
of
this
program
that
kind
of
stuff?
You
know
what
who?
What
does
this
mean?
Is
this
an
existing?
Whatever
you
know,
can
we
define
this
term
so
so
that
adds
a
step
right.
So
then
they've
got
to
get
back
to
me
and
so
what
I
do
I
do
them
in
order
that
I
receive
them
from
jesse.
H
H
He
literally
has
to
give
me
like
help
me
reorder
my
priorities
on
a
weekly
basis,
and
he
helps
me
talk
through
that
because
there's
like
certain
things
and
we
take
into
account
all
this
stuff
like
we
have
this
information,
we
don't
have
this
information.
So
if
we
don't
have
certain
information,
then
I
am
not
going
to
spend
all
my
time
on
something
that
we
know.
H
K
Yeah,
it
does,
and
I
actually
appreciate
your
thoroughness
and
looking
up
things
and
verifying
terms,
and
I
I
think
that's
helpful,
that's
that's
part
of
the
process.
I
guess
I'm
just
wondering
how
it
gets
in
the
queue
to
you
and
that's
just
something.
That's
always
this
like
anomaly
for
me
like
how
does
that
happen?
How
did
it
get
to?
I
just
never
quite
understand
it.
I
think
it's
helpful
that
we'll
have
a
complete
packet
before
that
happens.
K
So
I
think
that's
been
a
challenge
like
things
that
have
been
moving
forward
and
you're
like
how'd
that
get
even
forwarded
when
it
wasn't
even
complete
so
yeah.
I
guess
I
just
have
to
maybe
understand
that
better
with
jesse
about
how
that's
prioritized
in
a
systematic
way
versus
somebody
that
just
keeps
telling
you
you
need
to
get
this
through
jesse.
K
K
The
new
document-
and
I
did
actually
ask
for
a
red
line
as
well-
I
didn't
want
it
to
be-
I
understand,
like
strikethroughs
and
all
that
and
moving
sections
wouldn't
make
sense,
but
I
think
just
new
language
putting
it
in
red,
saying
this
is
new
language
and
also
like
words
that
you
changed.
I
don't
really
care
about
where
it
was
moved
in
the
order
that
it
was
placed
in
the
document.
K
It
was
kind
of
just
kind
of
out
of
date
in
my
opinion,
so
I
think
it's
good
that
we're
looking
at
this
new
version,
but
if
you
could
just
send
us
a
version
that
shows
red.
You
know
red
text
means
it's
new
in
any
new
language,
so
that
we
can
really
kind
of
see
it
and
compare
it
without
going
back
and
forth
to
these
documents.
K
J
Tim
lindell
comes
with
that
out.
I
guess
maybe
I'll
ask
you
to
clarify
what
you
mean
by
certain
circumstances
later,
but
the
rationale
just
the
example
I
just
gave
you
but
oh
okay-
and
maybe
council
remember-
wants
to
to
speak
to
this
as
well,
because
this
was
something
that
she
was
brought
up
also,
but
from
my
point
of
view,
it
makes
a
lot
easier
in
terms
of
finalizing
legislation.
J
Well,
because
it's
not
on
the
agenda
right,
the
agenda's
already
been
published
ordinances,
don't
list
sponsors,
so
you
know
that
that's
obviously
not
going
to
show
it
and
we
add
adio
on
to
resolutions.
If
you
do
it
at
the
time
of
adoption.
But
in
terms
of
I
mean
it
doesn't
show
up
on
the
agenda,
so
it's
I
think,
you're
taking
credit
away
from
yourself.
If
you,
if
you
don't
do
it
sooner
than
that,
so.
K
Well,
I
I
hear
you
about
that.
I
guess
there's
just
times
it
it
just
because
of
the
nature
of
the
legislation
co-sponsoring
later
on
makes
sense,
and
in
the
past
we
would
actually
well
the
city
clerk
at
the
time
would
add
us
and
it
wasn't
a
big
deal
and
I
know
there's
certain
things.
That's
changed.
The
one
thing
that
I
don't
really
see
anymore
either
is
that
we'd
actually
sign
the
legislation
when
we
are
co-sponsors
and
we
don't
do
that
anymore.
K
K
I
don't
ever
see
that
and
it
kind
of
worries
me
because
I'm
like
oh,
I
wonder
if
I
was
a
co-sponsor
because
when
we
were
in
person
we
signed
things,
we
had
our
name
on
it
and
we
saw
it
and
now
we
don't
see
it,
and
I
brought
this
up
before,
but
I
don't
really
know.
I
didn't
really
get
a
clear
answer
about
like
how
how
we
track
that
co-sponsorships.
J
Here
pretend
lindelof
cancer
video.
I
don't
know
if
that
was
a
question
or
it
is.
I
don't
know
dude
though
well.
If,
if
I
am
notified
or
hear
that
someone
wants
to
be
a
co-sponsor,
then
I
will
add
them
occasionally.
I
know
people
just
tell
the
city
clerk
and
then
she
tells
me
so
that's
that's
how
we
track
the
sponsors.
J
The
the
agendas
are
always
updated
with
new
sponsors.
It
can
be
difficult
to
update
legislation
once
it's
signed
because
it
is
a
protected
document
in
adobe,
so
it
it
is.
It
takes
multiple
steps
in
order
to
change
out
that
that
first
sheet
to
add
additional
sponsors-
and
so
part
of
it
is-
is
just
decreasing
the
staff
time
and
work
required
to
to
do
that.
I
know
that's
not
justification
for
saying
you
can
only
add
yourselves
on
when
it's
introduced,
but
we're
trying
to.
B
H
H
H
E
E
Can
you
see
where
we
have
made
changes
to
address
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we
have
been
having
trouble
with
and
see
if
it
makes
sense
and
if
it
doesn't
make
sense
and
you
can
think
of
a
different
way
to
do
it?
You
know
we'd
be
interested
in
hearing
that
different
way.
We
did
do
a
lot
of
research
about
what
other
cities
do
to
handle
to
the
city.
Attorney's
point
some
of
the
things
that
we
have
a
vacuum
in
where
we
don't
have
any
rules.
E
We
certainly
look
to
the
legislature
a
little
bit
about
how
they
move
legislation
through
in
a
way
that
you
know
seems
to
make
sense.
Not
all
their
stuff
is
good
and
worth
modeling,
but
some
of
it
is-
and
I
just
to
this
specific
point
about
sponsorship-
sponsors
tend
to
be
the
people
who
worked
on
the
legislation.
E
I
think
in
some
instances
it's
maybe
something
like
the
15
or
an
hour
increase
for
city
employees.
It
was
something
that
we
all
believed
in
and
we
knew
it
immediately
and
so
we
all
signed
on.
But
you
know
things
like
the
short-term
rental
bill
things
like
this
bill.
We
have
spent
an
inordinate
amount
of
time,
shaping
this
legislation.
K
I
still
have
the
floor
and
I
want
to
respond
to
that.
I
think
it's
actually
it
in
a
perfect
world.
Yes,
because
sponsors
know
they're
going
to
be
co-sponsors
and
it's
put
in
play,
but
those
of
us
that
are
not
included
in
certain
co-sponsors
or
in
in
working
on
legislation,
for
whatever
reason
don't
know
until
later,
like
oh
yeah,
when
a
co-sponsor,
this
is
important
to
me
and
also
we've
had
instances
where
the
committee
chairs
or
whoever
is
documenting
our
committee
process
and
say
we
say
in
committee.
I
want
to
be
a
coach
or
co-sponsor.
K
Sometimes
it
doesn't
actually
get
tracked
and
it
and
there's
times
where
at
council
and
they're
like
oh,
I
actually
had
put
my
name
during
this
committee
and
it
wasn't
put
in
place.
So
it's
not
necessarily
always
our
fault
that
we're
last
minute
deciding
to
do
co-sponsorships,
and
it
also
has
to
do
with
legislation.
So
that's
why
I
don't
think
the
72
hours,
I
think
that's
a
goal
for
sure,
but
you
know
I
don't
know
if
it
needs
to
be
like
stated
that
that's
a
requirement
so
and
then
the
red
line.
K
I
I
agree
with
you:
yeah
there's
things
that
make
sense
about
changing,
but
there's
stuff
that
actually
was
in
the
last
version.
The
older
version
that
I
was
like.
Oh
I
didn't
even
know
that
was
actually
in
there.
So
it's
stuff
that
I
think
would
just
be
helpful
to
be
like.
Oh,
that
was
actually
already
in
there,
and
this
is
stuff-
that's
new.
It's
just
helpful.
So.
A
May
I
pretend,
on
that
point
as
well:
go
ahead.
Counselor
briefly.
I
know
you
have
questions,
but
clearly
I
wasn't
invited
to
be
part
of
even
this
legislation,
so
it
was
just
you
counselor,
beta
and
counselor
cassette
that
made
these
changes
that
had
these
discussions
I
wasn't
invited.
I
don't
know
if
any
of
the
other
counselors
are
invited.
But
if
we're
gonna
start
making
this
a
rule,
then
we're
all
gonna
have
to
be
invited
to
every
piece
of
legislation
we're
to
deal
with
quorum
issues.
A
E
E
Quorum
issue
right,
you're
right
because
so
only
four
counselors
and
that's
why
I'm
saying
I
I'm
I'm
perfectly
willing
once
the
thing
has
been
made
public
to
add
other
co-sponsors,
but
it
seems
like
we
should
be
doing
that.
You
know
earlier
in
the
process,
not
at
the
very
end,
and
I
completely
understand
that
sometimes
translation
doesn't
get
made.
When
you
add
yourself
as
a
co-sponsor
in
committee
and
then
you
get
to
governing
body,
it's
happened
to
me
and
my
name:
isn't
there
and
I've
said
hey.
I
was
I
added
myself
as
a
co-sponsor.
E
Could
you
please
correct
that,
so
that
kind
of
clerical
error,
absolutely
we
should
be
fixing
and-
and
we
should
allow
for
more
co-sponsors-
that's
good
thing
right,
but
it's
just
let's.
Let's
do
it
sooner
rather
than
later
in
the
process,
and
we,
you
know
again,
for
instance,
this
this
group
there
are
three
counselors
who've
been
working
on
this.
E
We
bring
it
out
to
you
absolutely
want
your
feedback.
If
you
would
like
to
co-sponsor,
I
hope
you
will.
If
you
want
to
make
changes,
I
hope
you
will
and
we're
taking
notes
about
what
you're
seeing
and
the
points
you're
bringing
up
so
that
we
can
have
further
conversation
about
it.
So
it's
not
that
we're
trying
to
exclude
people
it's
just
like.
We
want
everybody
to
join
on
sooner.
K
Thank
you
for
the
posting
of
the
agenda
and
supporting
materials.
We
talk
about
copies
of
the
agenda
and
packing
materials
shall
be
available
to
the
governing
body
and
the
public
for
study
and
review
the
friday
immediately,
prior
and
and
for
presentations
in
particular.
We
never
meet
that,
except
for
us
at
the
task
force.
K
We
got
it
in
time
and
all
the
other
presentations
didn't
so
I'm
just
wondering
is
that
is
this
a
new
rule,
then
the
even
presentations
by
staff,
members
and
other
groups
that
will
be
presenting
that
they
need
to
get
that
even
presentation.
Packet,
material,
completed
that
friday
before
governing
body
meeting.
J
H
Right
so
development
and
mayor
tim,
lindell,
counselor
via,
I
believe,
we've
defined
packet
material,
so
jesse.
I
think
it's
in
the
definitions.
Right
so
think
the
intent
was
to
have
at
least
the
minimum
materials
necessary
to
vote
on
an
item.
So
if
that
is
the
definition,
then
I
think
it
was
intended
for
legislation
specifically
and
the
idea
being
that
if
a
request
is
made
for
additional
information
requiring
that
to
be
available
on
the
friday
before
is
difficult,
and
we
don't
want
to
exclude
something,
even
if
there's
more
responses
that
we
can
provide.
H
If
we
can
add
to
the
materials
to
help
folks
with
materials
that
wouldn't
be
otherwise
required,
then
I
think
we
would
still
want
to
be
able
to
add.
But
I
don't
remember
the
exact
definition
that
we
came
up
with
for
packet
material,
but
the
idea
is
that
at
least
the
fir,
the
memo
and
the
bill
that
type
of
thing
would
have
to
be
in
the
packet.
I'm
not
sure
how
broad
the
definition
ended
up
and
it
may
have
had
unintended
consequences
if
it
was
broader.
J
It
defines
backup
material
as
the
minimum
documents
necessary
for
the
governing
body
to
take
action
on
the
relevant
items.
So
I
think
maybe
it
wouldn't
apply
to
presentations
since
you
don't
take
action
on
them
and
also
it
would,
as
it
says,
the
minimum
document.
So
you
would
need
at
least
the
legislation
and
probably
the
firing
memo
so
that
that
does.
I
think
it
is
with
the
understanding
that
there
could
be
supporting
materials
that
are
that
would
be
available
later
on,
and
not
necessarily
that
that
far
ahead
of
the
meeting.
B
K
K
B
B
B
B
B
B
I
also
think
it's
disrespectful
of
staff
time
that
they
could
be
home
with
their
families.
Having
dinner
on
page
14,
just
bringing
up
a
point
under
e
number
one
b
talking
about
you
cannot
allot
your
time
and
petitions
from
the
floor
to
another
member
of
the
public,
I'm
fine
with
that,
but
they
may
make
arrangements
with
the
city
clerk
to
speak
in
a
specific
order.
I'm
not
really
sure
why
or
why
we
would
grant
that
to
a
person
or
a
group
or
the
purpose
of
that.
B
So
that's
that's
something,
I'm
just
looking
for
a
little
more
information
on.
I
just
heard
I
saw
it
in
here.
I
didn't
mark
it
up
and
I'm
not
really
sure
why
it
makes
a
difference
to
us
if
someone
gives
their
address
or
if
they
give
the
district
number
that
they
live
in.
Why
why
we?
Why
we
needed
a
change
with
that?
B
But,
as
I
said
these,
I
know
this
committee
is
not
done
and
that
we're
bringing
things
up
that
we
may
have
questions
or
have
concerns
about,
and
those
are
the
ones
that
initially
in
going
through
this,
that
I
I
had
concerns
about.
Probably
the
one
that
I'm
least
comfortable
with
is
the
first
public
comment
on
bills
that
I
I
just
I
don't
know
if
I
have
the
ability
to
sit
and
be
quiet,
while
someone
gives
gives
public
testimony.
B
B
H
Thank
you
for
that
opportunity.
Counselor.
The
one
thing
I
would
say
is
the
city
clerk
part,
I
think,
is
in
the
existing
rules
and
what
I
would
look
at.
Maybe
for
this
request
that
we
have.
Maybe
we
can
block
out
sections
and
say
like
new
section
or
rearrange
section
rather
than
real
line.
You
know
what
I
mean
like
kind
of
block
out
sections
and
just
put
a
comment
by
it
like
say
like
no
changes
but
moved
or
something
like
that.
Do
you
know
what
I
mean?
Does
that
sound
like
it
might
help?
H
B
B
Clearly,
thank
the
folks
that
have
worked
on
this.
I
mean
it's
obvious
to
me.
I've
been
in
this
seat
for
a
some
time.
This
took
a
lot
of
work,
a
huge
amount
of
work,
and
I'm
appreciative
of
it,
and
I
don't
want
the
committee
that
worked
on
this
to
feel
like
all
we're
doing
is
throwing
bombs
at
them,
because
I
think
that
it's
worthwhile
and
I
think
that
it's
heading
us
in
the
right
direction.