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B
A
B
I
would
just
call
out
our
thoughts
for
all
of
our
friends
at
meow
wolf
and
to
the
loss
of
matt
king,
who
was
such
a
light
to
our
community
and
to
meow
wolf,
without
whom
that
remarkable
organization
wouldn't
have
been
able
to
achieve
all
the
wonderful
innovative,
creative
things
there'll
be
a
celebration
of
his
life
friday,
but
his
influence
impact
and
gifts
to
our
community
will
live
on
far
beyond
writing.
B
B
B
C
Villarreal,
yes,
mayor
weber,
yes
thank
you
that
takes
us.
Then
we
have
a
number
of
presentations,
all
some
of
which
are
very
detailed
and
updates
on
other
items.
Why
don't
you
take
us
to
item
8a,
madam
clerk.
F
G
We
met
with.
We
met
with
dfa
representatives
from
dfa
on
july
1st,
and
we
had
a
really
good
tremendously
good
working
session.
They
were
very
pleased
with
the
progress
that
we've
made
and
what
had
been
done
up
to
that
point.
G
They
sent
a
letter
to
the
state
auditor's
office
stating
that
they
believed
we'll
hit
the
july
15
target
or
having
the
various
items
that
the
state
auditor's
office
had
requested
in
a
particular
format
and
we're
we
will
be
hitting
that
on
friday,
I've
been
meeting
with
or
zooming
with
our
main
contractors
redw
and
we're
good
to
go.
We've
also,
we
had
issued.
C
H
H
J
H
mayor
men
comes
members
of
the
council
for
the
audit
for
the
21
audit
from
yes
that
needed
to
be
addressed.
There
were
27
items,
but
two
of
the
items
were
essentially
agreeing
that
if
cla
did
return,
it
would
be
under
a
whole
new
contract
and
if
they
did
the
readiness
for
audit
assessment
and
we
would
pay
them
for
that
with
the
fact
that
they're
not
going
to
be
conducting
the
21
audit.
Now
those
two
items
are
kind
of
moot
the
other
25
items.
H
H
They
didn't
give
a
real
specific
reason
other
than
that.
I
know
that
there
are
scheduling
issues
with
them.
I
think
it's.
It
is
public
knowledge
that
they
will
be
doing
the
city
of
albuquerque,
which
is
a
huge
undertaking,
so
I
believe
time
just
crunched
up,
but
that's
just
my
speculation,
that's
not
directly
from
them.
Okay,
and
I
guess
I
apologize
one
last
question
for
you
timeline
for
rfp
to
hire
on
a
new
auditor.
Do
we
what
does
that
look
like
for
us
mayor
members
of
the
council?
H
I,
the
rfps,
are
all
due
close
of
business
21st
and
our
purchasing
friend
dunaway,
our
chief
procurement
officer
and
her
team
have
been
moving
very
quickly
as
they
did
with
the
prep
work
for
22..
So
I
don't
anticipate
it
dragging
out
for
very
long.
I'm
trying
to
remember
what
the
date
of
the
award
is,
but
I
think
it's
within
10
days
from
that.
H
Okay,
so
10
days
from
the
21st,
we
might
have
an
award
made
and
more
or
less
somebody
can
get
to
work.
Okay,
fantastic!
Well!
Thank
you,
mr
batano,
and
your
team.
Just
for
all
the
work
you've
been
doing
these
past
couple
months.
Thank
you.
No
other
questions,
mr
mayor.
Thank
you
counselor
other
questions,
yeah
counselor
mayor
where
thank
you
mayor,
mr
behrano.
I
just
want
mostly
for
people
who
are
watching
to
understand,
and
while
we
have
you
here.
H
H
We
had
it
in
the
bank.
We
just
hadn't
been
posting
it
to
the
correct
places
where
it
should
be
reflected,
and
if
you
could
just
reiterate
that,
I
think
it's
very
important
that
the
public
know
that
we
weren't
missing
4.6
million.
We
actually
had
it.
We
just
needed
to
do
the
paperwork
around
it.
Mayor,
weber,
council,
members,
that's
correct:
we
had
4.6
million
dollars
in
the
bank
above
and
beyond
what
had
been
recorded
in
the
general
ledger
under
the
cash
account.
There
are
various
reasons
for
that.
L
J
H
Comparing
them
to
what's
in
the
general
ledger
and
then
recording
or
proposing
recordings
for
us
to
do
within
the
general
ledger
to
true
up
those
those
accounts.
Okay,
thank
you.
I
just
think
it's
important
that
people
know
one.
J
H
H
Yes,
item
8b
is
a
presentation
of
the
independent
citizens,
redistricting
commission's
final
action
of
the
redistricting
math
concepts:
brian
sanderoff,
the
president
of
research,
employing
along
with
lilly
may
ortiz,
the
chair
of
the
independent
citizens,
redistricting
commission,
myself
and
geralyn
are
available
for
this
item.
So
ryan.
You
want
to
come.
I
H
H
I'm
not
sure
your
mic
is
either
on
or
close
enough,
so
we
get
a
good
sound
there
you
go
now.
You've
got
it
technology.
I
love
it.
Okay,
yes,
good
evening,
mayor
webber
and
members
of
the
city
council,
I
am
milly
mayer,
the
chair
of
the
independent
redistricting
commission,
and
I'm
here
this
evening
to
provide
the
report
as
to
what
work
the
commission
has
done.
I,
along
with
brian
sanderoff,
we'll
give
you
information
I'll,
speak
briefly
about
the
process.
What
was
accomplished
the
kinds
of
meetings
that.
H
Mr
sanderoff
will
give
you
the
specifics
of
the
action
that
was
actually
taken,
but
but
for
transparency
purposes.
I
do
want
to
give
some
background
information,
so
everyone
is
aware
of
what
occurred
in
the
short
period
of
time.
So
in
compliance
with
the
city
charter,
the
city
of
santa
fe,
on
friday
march.
O
I
O
J
H
Representative
from
each
of
the
city's
four
districts,
plus
a
cartographer
plus
a
statistician
and
one
member
serving
at
large,
were
chosen.
All
members
were
chosen
at,
but
through
a
lot,
and
they
have
volunteered
their
time
to
do
this.
Work,
as,
as
you
may
know,
the
creation
of
the
independent
redistricting
commission
was
approved
back
on
march
2014,
when
the
electorate
of
the
city
of
santa
fe
approved
an
amendment
to
the
santa
fe
municipal
charter,
establishing
a
procedure
for
the
appointment
and
deliberations
of
an
independent
commission.
H
M
Based
on
the
2020
federal
decennial
census,
information,
commissioners
and
and
council
members
and
mayor,
if
I
may,
I
would
like
to
introduce
the
members
of
the
redistricting
commission
and
those
individuals
that
are
here.
If
they
could.
Please
stand.
M
Earl
brechner
he's
the
vice
chair,
christopher
grazer,
a
member
and
mr
breckner.
The
advisor
was
serving
at
large
and
mr
grazer
was
representing
district
one.
Gary
donato
representing
district,
two
nicholas
mckenzie
was
representing
district
three,
but
had
to
resign
because
of
family
issues
and
later
was
replaced
by.
M
I
would
also
like
to
thank
the
alternate
alternates
devin
ludlow,
michelle
shelley,
strong
and
george
duncan,
for
waiting
in
the
wings
in
case
we
needed
them
so
mayor
the
responsibilities
of
the
independent
commission.
The
duties
of
them
are
quite
extensive,
there's
eight
big
responsibilities
and
I'm
going
to
go
through
them
so
that
you
understand
what
we
have
to
consider
as
we
move
forward
establish
a
districting
plan
for
adjusting
the
boundaries
complete
work
within
one
year
of
receipt
of
the
final
federal
decennial
census
rely
on
professional
assistance
of
an
independent
districting
consultant.
M
I'm
here
to
report
mayor
and
councillors
that
all
duties
of
the
independent
registering
commission
have
been
completed.
The
commission
held
its
first
meeting
april,
7th
2022,
where
we
organized
ourselves
discussed
duties
and
listened
attentively
to
our
expertise.
Our
consultants,
we
were
informed.
The
city
had
set
a
mid-july
deadline
for
the
commission
to
complete
their
work,
so
we
got
to
work
quickly,
setting
up
the
schedule
to
meet
that
deadline
in
total.
A
M
A
H
Published
countless
notices
and
public
information
announced
information
announcements
via
several
media
outlets.
The
staff
also
created
posters
and
commissioners
spent
time,
placing
posters
throughout
their
districts
announcing
the
public
hearing
so
that
the
community
that
wasn't
using
technology
could
see
the
posters
at
the
swimming
pools
or
different
locations.
Libraries,
and
as
chair,
I
wrote
a
letter
to
the
editor
which
was
published
in
the
santa
fe
new
mexican
back
in
may,
and
I
also
spoke
on
the
richard
eads
radar.
Talk
show
to
publicize
in
all
venues.
H
H
We
had
four
public
hearings.
The
meetings
began
at
5
30
pm
and
evening
to
promote
participation.
One
of
them
was
in
may
may
10th
still.
We
were
on
zoom,
so
we
had
had
one
meeting
on
zoom.
The
other
three
meetings
were
in
person.
One
was
at
the
santa
fe
downtown
public
library,
the
hanover
chavez
community
center,
and
the
last
was
at
the
south
side
library.
H
H
H
The
commission
accepted
verbal
as
well
as
written
input
at
the
public
hearings.
On
a
side
note.
We
suggest
that
at
some
point
the
commissioners
or
the
counselor
counselors
and
the
mayor
might
want
to
see
our
minutes,
because
there
was
a
lot
of
good
points
that
were
brought
up
by
some
of
the
members
in
the
audience
that
don't
affect
what
the
commission
was
doing
but
could
affect
city
council
work.
One
example
was
they
wanted
a
fifth
district
in
the
city
of
santa
fe,
which
is
something
I'm
sure
you've
already
heard.
H
Initially
our
consultants
created
and
provided
five
separate
concepts
for
consideration,
label
concepts,
a
a1
a2,
b
and
c.
You
may
have
seen
the
excellent
maps
and
statistical
tables
on
the
city
website.
Commissioners
spent
council
countless
hours
reviewing
these
five
concepts
and
the
accompanying
background
of
information
during
public
meeting
discussions.
The
commission
further
directed.
H
To
develop
a
sixth
concept,
taking
into
account
the
areas
of
growth
in
the
southern
portion
of
the
city,
subsequently,
concept
a3
was
created,
discussed
and
in
detail
and
further
modified
by
the
commission
by
eliminating
precincts
that
were
split
close
to
20
hours
was
spent
on
the
eight
in
closing
mayor,
webber
and
counselors
prior
to
taking
final
action.
Our
consultant.
H
Ensured
the
districting
plan
that
the
commission
was
prepared
to
act
on
complied
with
state,
federal
and
local
laws,
including
the
federal
voting
rights
act
of
1965,
as
well
as
the
municipal
charter.
I
am
here
today
on
behalf
of
the
seven
member
commissioned
to
present
our
final
decision
on
june
30
by
formal
motion
and
vote.
The
commission
voted
to
approve
concept
a3
modified.
H
I
respectfully
request
that
the
city
of
santa
fe
council
initiate
the
appropriate
action
through
ordinance
change
or
other
appropriate
measures
to
adjust
the
city
of
santa
fe
district
boundaries
to
account
for
the
2020
census
and
implement
concept.
A3
modify
redistricting
plan,
as
approved
by
the
independent
redistricting
commission.
H
That
concludes
my
introductory
remarks
and
then
call
mr
sanderoff
up
and
provide
a
piece
that
you're
waiting
for
to
see
what
it
really
looks
like
and-
and
I
want
to
thank
the
commissioners
that
are
here
for
all
their
hard
work,
as
well
as
mr
sanderoff
and
especially
the
staff
that
just
provided
us
what
we
needed
as
we
move
forward.
Thank
you
thank
you
and
thanks
to
all
the
members
who
are
here
and
those
who
aren't
here.
Thank
you
as
well.
It's
important
hard
and
challenging
work
and
we're
very
grateful
to
you.
H
Move
to
the
next
slide
on
what
is
redistricting
just
to
remind
you
what
is
redistricting
anyway,
it's
basically
the
adjustment
of
election
district
boundaries
to
account
for
population
shifts
and
it's
required
for
cities
and
counties
and
school
boards
and
legislatures
once
every
10
years
after
the
census
comes
out.
Why,
after
the
census,
because
that's
when
the
census
data
almost
fresh,
but
the
santa
fe
city
charter
does
allow
for
redistricting
more
than
once,
every
10
years.
So
in
2015,
after
your
2014
annexation,
you
convened
pursuant
to
your
charter
amendment
a
redistricting
commission.
C
A
Of
traditional
districting
principles,
federal
law,
state
law,
local
charter,
equal
population,
keep
the
districts
substantially
equal
in
population
minority
voting
rights
as
speculated
in
the
voting
rights
act,
section
two
contiguity
the
district
shall
be
contiguous.
You
can't
have
two
islands
within
one
district
impact
this
you
know
it
when
you
see
it
you're
limited
to
an
extent
to
the
city
boundaries.
The
outer
boundaries,
which
are
oftentimes
not
compact,
but
compactness
is
a
measure
of
tightness
from
the
center
and
then
you
can
take
into
account.
A
Communities
of
interest
and
communities
of
interest
are
really
in
the
eyes
of
the
beholder.
What
are
those
shared
values?
Shared
interests
that
certain
neighborhoods
have
that?
Perhaps
you
should
keep
together
so
that
the
voters
in
that
district
could
elect
a
candidate
of
their
choice?
Who
would
best
represent
them?
On
the
next
slide?
We
see,
I
would
talk
a
little
more
about
population.
A
H
See
there
is
twenty
one
thousand
eight
hundred
and
seventy
six
santa
fe
is
unique:
four
districts,
two
councils
per
district,
staggered
terms,
interesting
system,
and,
and
so
we
see
the
ideal
population.
However,
we
talked
about
substantially
equal
population
in
the
state
law
and
in
traditional
districting
principles
and
even
in
your.
J
H
A
Plus
or
minus
five
percent
deviation
from
the
ideal
population
of
the
district.
So
if
you
look
at
the
map
there
on
the
screen,
you
can
see
the
ideal
pop
and
you
can
see
you've
got
about
a
play
of
about
two
thousand
people
per
district
on
the
high
end
in
the
low
end
of
the
plus
or
minus
five
percent.
A
A
Maintaining
the
core
of
existing
districts
can
be
considered
a
community
of
interest
minimizing
voter
confusion
in
in
the
light
respecting
political
subdivisions,
avoiding
precinct
splits.
You
know
your
precincts
are
really
a
creature
of
the
county,
not
the
city,
and
we
worked
with
the
county
last
year
pursuant
to
state
law
and
built
many
many
new
precincts.
A
A
lot
of
the
precincts
are
going
to
change
for
the
next
election
and
you've
added
a
lot
of
precincts
and
and
that's
good,
because
they're,
the
building
blocks
of
districting
and
and
the
plan
that
the
commission
chose
and
they
they
put
their
foot
down
at
the
end,
and
so
we
don't
want
a
single
precinct
split,
and
so
the
plan
accommodates
that
taking
into
account
incumbent's
residential
location,
that
is
a
traditional
districting
principle.
A
Now,
do
you
take
it
into
account
if
all
of
a
sudden
councils
look
so
far
out
of
on
the
boundaries
of
the
district,
that
it
looks
really
funny
looking?
A
A
P
And
contiguity
and
compensate
for
the
undercount
of
minorities,
that's
in
the
charter!
Well,
the
census
bureau
did
not
come
out
with
a
report
in
new
mexico
or
santa
fe
on
what
the
undercount
was,
but
by
city.
We
know
that
nationally
hispanics
are
undercounted,
but
we
don't
native
americans
on
reservations,
but
we
don't
know
exactly
for
santa
fe.
So
it's
hard
to
take
that
into
account.
A
A
Like
okay
in
the
ordinance,
the
commission
may
assign
the
appropriate
weight
to
minimize,
increasing
splits
and
minimizing
voter
confusion
in
in
switching
elected
officials
into
different
districts.
So
the
commission
can
give
this
the
weight
that
they
chose
and
they
did
debate
this,
and
there
are
some
plans
that
paired
four
counselors
in
one
district.
A
Okay,
so
in
the
population
of
the
city
of
santa
fe
over
the
10
years,
you
grew
by
19,
700
or
29
growth
rate
in
the
city,
but
this
includes
that
13
200
population
annexation.
A
So
you
really
didn't
grow
as
much
in
terms
of
new
people
moving
into
the
city,
especially
a
lot
of
it
was
just
changing
the
boundaries
of
the
city
and,
as
I
said,
that
was
taken
into
account
in
the
2015
redistricting.
So
a
lot
of
the
so-called
growth
has
already
been
built
into
the
current
districts.
That
you're
elected
from
this
next
chart
shows
you
the
the
rest
of
the
growth
that
occurred
after
the
annexation,
6
400
people,
so
7.9
growth
after
the
annexation,
using
2020
census
data,
but
29.
A
If
you
you
start
from
2010
to
2020..
Okay,
now
the
more
interesting
stuff
this
the
current
districts
that
you
were
elected
from
this
shows
the
population
deviation
from
the
ideal
for
each
of
the
districts.
So
you
see
in
district
4,
it
was
12.7.
H
Percent
too
large
larger
than
the
ideal
population
of
the
district.
You
heard
what
the
state
law
is
can't
go
more
than
plus
or
minus
five.
Now
district
one
is
on
the
low
end
of
the
deviation,
and
you
might
say,
oh
district
one
doesn't
have
to
change
it's
right
in
there.
Well
in
some
plans.
In
fact
it
didn't,
but
in
some
plans
it
did
why?
Because
you
could
never
look
at
any
one
district
in
a
vacuum.
H
If
you're
making
changes,
let's
say
to
accommodate
growth
on
the
south
side
of
santa
fe,
then
you
have
to
increase
the
population
in
district
1
and
2
to
then
keep
the
deviations
low
in
districts
three
and
four,
and
so
some
plans.
There
are
no
changes
in
one
and
two
some
plans.
There
were
and
we'll
talk
more
about
that
in
a
moment,
but
you
can
see
the
other
districts
were
pretty
close
to
being
within
the
the
five
plus
or
minus
five,
even
though
they
were
slightly
off
themselves.
A
H
A
J
H
Commission
plan
so
therefore
it's
a
minimum
change
concept
to
account
for
population
shifts
another
objective
of
this
plan,
based
on
what
the
commission
ultimately
settled
on
was
to
account
for
the
anticipated
growth
on
the
south
side
of
santa
fe
and
tierra
contenta
by
having
districts
three
and
four
on
the
lower
end
of
the
allowable
population
deviation
so
get
them
into
the
negatives
and
build
up.
If
district
1
is
not
going
to
keep
pace
over
the
next
decade
as
much
we'll
put
it
more
on
the
high
end
rather
than
having
it
on
the
low
end
and.
H
In
district
one,
what
happens
is
that
the
boundary
moves
from
east
town,
the
southern
boundary
moves
from
east
alameda
street
to
south
of
the
roundhouse,
and
it's
boarded
basically
by
pasandel
peralta
and
buena.
H
M
36,
where
the
roundhouse
is,
and
then,
if
you
drive
east
of
the
roundhouse
down
in
syncia
madre
that
precinct
too
those
two
precincts
go
into
district
one
also
west
of
sciler
road.
M
M
A
A
District
3
picks
up
precincts,
138
and
174
from
district
4..
Basically,
a
couple
precincts
just
east
of
janus
road
and
north
of
airport
road.
They
they
go
district,
3,
picks
them
up
from
district
4,
and
you
know
combining
some
of
those
areas.
On
the
other
side,
both
sides
of
the
airport,
I
think,
works
and
then
district
4
picks
up
precinct
116
from
district
3..
That's
that
area
between
jaguar
drive
and
airport
road
east
of
south
meadows.
A
R
It's
already
split
between
the
city
and
the
county,
but
once
the
decision
was
made
not
to
split
any
precincts,
at
least
those
that
exist
within
the
city
that
change
had
to
be
made.
This
plan
creates
two
strong
hispanic
districts.
The
commission
worked
with
the
hispanic
population
distribution
and
understood
where
the
high
concentrations
were
to
protect
voters.
The
voting
rights
act
basically
speaks
to.
R
A
Any
questions.
Thank
you.
First
of
all,
thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
all
your
great
work
appreciate
you.
Are
there
questions
from
the
governing
body
for
either
the
chair
or
mr
sanderoff
councilman
catherine
thanks
so
much
mr
mayor,
and
thank
you
both
for
your
presentations
and
thank
you
to
all
members
of
the
commission
for
your
work.
A
A
couple
questions
I
am
curious:
do
you?
Can
we
get
the
population
breakdown
for
each
district?
At
some
point?
Yes,
and
they
are,
they
are
on
the
mayor,
counselor.
They
are
on
the
website
now
and
we
also
send
packets
today,
which
I'm
sure
you.
S
To
leave
with
you
today,
okay,
thank
you
so
much
and
then
do
you
also
happen
to
have
the
square
mileage
of
of
each
district.
S
S
I
think
he's
muted,
michael,
are
you
muted
or
maybe.
S
H
He
was
not
feeling
well
today,
so
this
covered
world,
we
decided
for
him
not
to
come,
and
then
britney
poss
who
worked
from
the
very
beginning
on
this
whole
project
with
the
commission.
She
unfortunately
had
a
serious
surgery
two
weeks
ago,
and
so
two
of
the
key
people
who
are
working
with
us
on
this
are
down
from
the
cab
at
the
moment.
H
So
we
will
get
you
square
footage.
We
have
already
provided
compactness
measures,
and
that
also
is
on
the
website.
H
Wonderful,
thank
you,
and
I
mean
it's
really
more
commentary
just
to
look
at
the
the
size
of
district
4
and
geographically,
it's
so
much
smaller
than
just
all
the
districts
yeah
and
even
a
bit
smaller
than
district
three,
and
something
for
just
us
to
think
about.
H
As
we
are
one
looking
at
the
growth
of
our
city
and
planning,
and
we
you
know,
we
are
always
looking
at
housing
and
where
we
need
to
be
putting
housing
and
how
dense
and
compact
district
4
already
is
and
how
much
we
have
already
absorbed
of
the
growth
of
the
city,
and
I
think
something
really
for
us
as
a
governing
body.
H
I
don't
know
if
director
clue
is
here,
but
for
planning
commission
as
well
to
be
really
mindful
of,
as
we
think
about
where
growth
is
happening
and
how
we
start
to
potentially
spread
that
out
throughout
other
parts
of
the
city.
H
However,
many
years
since
the
redistricting
last
happened,
and
the
other
thing
that
I
think
will
be
interesting
for
us
to
think
about
as
a
governing
body,
you
know
we
frequently
do
this,
how
many
parks
in
each
district,
how
many
et
cetera
in
each
district,
but
as
we
that'll,
be
something
to
to
have
this
discussion.
H
We
look
at
the
equity
of
how
resources
are
spread,
especially
considering
that
we
are
equalized
in
terms
of
population,
but
not
necessarily
in
terms
of
you
know,
geographical
space
that
each
district
is
taking
up.
So
much
of
some
comments
of
things
that
we
will
need
to
be
aware
of
as
a
governing
body
as
we
continue
to
move
forward
with
a
lot
of
the
decisions
around
growth
in
our
city
and
all
the
planning
efforts
that
are
coming
up
and
that's
all
I
have
thank
you
all
again
so
much.
I
really
really
appreciate
the
work.
H
S
Enough
people
there
to
give
their
input
and
what
I
really
liked
about
that
was
chair
and
mr
sanderoff.
They
they
took
and
and
the
committee
they
took
the
questions
they
digested
them
and
quickly
went
into
another
mode
of
operation
said
well.
What
do
we
do
about
this
and
they
had
their
discussion,
and
I
think
it
was
very,
very
good
to
see
that
process.
The
input
from
the
community.
H
Especially
on
the
south
south
side
of
town,
where
the
growth
is
happening,
and
there
was
some
maps
out
there
that
were
like
okay-
well,
that's
kind
of
way-
far
out
there.
I
don't
think
we
can
do
that.
Like
you
said
it
group,
four
current
council
members
in
one
district,
and
so
that
was
would
have
been
challenging
but
again
kudos
to
the
team,
miss
ortiz
and
everybody
for.
Thank
you
for
the
hours
that
you
put
into
this.
It
was
very
important
thanks.
H
Thank
you
councillor,
others
councilor
rivera
yeah.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
the.
S
S
S
P
P
So
it's
basically
federal
law
that
we
don't
look
at
voter
rights.
You
know
some
cities
in
the
legislature.
God
knows
they
looked
at
the
politics.
They
looked
at
the
elections.
They
drew
districts
a
certain
way
based
on
certain
things,
but
they
still
had
to
work
off
the
total
population
when
they
built
the
districts.
When
we
look
at
voting
rights
act
and
protecting
racial
groups,
where
you
can
form
a
majority
such
as
in
santa
fe
among
hispanics,
you
then
look
at
adult
population
only.
P
P
And
so
again,
precincts
are
a
creature
of
the
county.
It's
actually
that
bottom
pieces,
that's
the
part
of
the
precinct,
that's
in
the
city
limits
and
then
the
part,
so
the
county
is
in
between
those
two
parks.
It's
not
part
of
the
city
of
santa
fe.
So
we
had.
We
conformed
to
the
part
of
the
precinct.
That's
within
the
city
limits.
P
F
F
Yes,
we
can
excellent.
I
figured
out
the
microphone.
Thank
you
so,
just
to
clarify
a
little
bit,
the
precinct
is
136
and
only
part
of
it
is
within
the
city
and
the
part.
That's
within
the
city
I
highlighted
in
red
and
that
one
little
as
we
call
it
island
is
still
attached
to
the
rest
of
the
city
by
a
little
sliver
of
land.
F
I
believe
on
the
north
side
of
all
of
freya.
No,
no,
I'm
I'm
sorry.
I
can
zoom
into
that
road,
but
rafina,
I'm
sorry,
so,
there's
a
little
sliver
of
wayne
that
connects
this
little
piece
on
the
north
side
of
the
athena
of
that
precinct
to
the
rest
of
the
precinct.
So
it's
still
contiguous
all
right.
Thank
you
and
once
again
thank
you
for
all
your
your
hard
work.
I
know
it's
a
tough
task,
much
appreciated!
Thank
you.
F
Thank
you.
Councillor.
Other
questions.
Counselor,
michael
garcia,
thank
you,
mr
mayor,
thank
you,
mr
sanderoff,
and
miss
ortiz
and
the
rest
of
the
commission
for
all
the
hard
work.
I
think
mr
sanderoff.
The
last
time
we
crossed
past
was
I
was
an
undergrad
student
at
unm
and
you
were
given
a
presentation
during
professor
sinclair's
class
on
polling,
so
good
to
see
you
it's
good,
to
see
you're
still
doing
this
work.
Thank
you.
P
S
And
it's
on
the
map
now,
so
I
know
that
question
is
going
to
arise
from
the
community.
Why,
for
example,
when
we
look
at
the
question
that
council
rivera
brought
up
on
our
current
map,
we're
working
off
of
that's
precinct
66
and
it
was
referenced.
Well,
that's
precinct
a
hundred
and
something
I
can't
remember.
I
can't
recall.
H
C
Votes,
the
county
clerk
county
commission
shall
split
it
and
there's
another
law
that
says
that
if
there
are
more
than
2500
people
in
a
precinct,
once
the
census
data
comes
out,
the
county
commission
shall
split
it.
So
you
have
many
more
new
building
blocks
and
they've
been
given
new
numbers
and
sometimes-
and
so
these
will
be
the
ones
that
you'll
be
running
future
elections
off
of
so
people
are
going
to
have
to
get
used
to
the
new
precincts
and
the
new
numbers.
C
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
clarification,
and
can
you
clarify
for
the
public
when
the
precincts
were
split
up?
The
precincts
were
approved
by
the
county
commission,
probably
before
the
end
of
the
year,
michael
or
some
counties
were
tardy
in
getting
it
done
by
the
end
of
the
year,
but
I
believe
that
they
had
to
finish
them
by
the
end
of
2021,
so
the
to
take
effect
for
this
year
to
take
effect
for
this
year.
Okay,.
Q
Thank
you
so
much,
and
just
just
for
the
record,
all
precincts
that
are
lying
within
city
boundaries
were
not
split
up,
because
I
know
that
there
is
then,
as
with
council
rivera's
question,
we've
got
county
within
the
city
and
it
does
split
up
some
precincts
and
we
defer
to
the
precinct
that
sits
and
that's
why
we
were
left
with
the
island
correct.
Q
Okay,
and
I
guess
last
question-
I
don't
know
if
it's
you
or
who
can
provide
this
information
if
we
can
get
a
breakdown
of
the
populace
per
district
now,
whether
it's
current
or
projected
the
to
use
to
get
these
deviation.
Numbers
of
I
know
somewhere
in
the
negative,
some
are
in
the
positive,
but
just
that
way
we
can
have
the
breakdown
of
what
the
current.
Q
H
We
didn't
run
any
population
projections
we
just
could
tell.
We
know
where
all
the
housing
new
housing's
going,
and
so
that's
my
best
answer.
The
deviations
are
based
on
2020
census.
Your
planning
department
has
a
good
handle
on
population
projection.
Okay,
thank
you.
So
much
again,
thank
you,
mr
sanderoff
commissioners.
I
really
appreciate
the
time
and
effort
you've
put
into
all
of
this
with
that.
No
other
question.
Thank
you,
councillor,
councilwoman
viral,
thank
you
mayor
and
thank
you
to
the
team.
H
Q
And
to
counsel
the
chairwoman
ortiz
for
your
leadership
and
all
the
membership
for
their
input
and
insight,
and
I
think
it
was
good
to
have
a
mix
lived
experience
and
folks
that
had
tenure
living
here
and
those
folks
that
were
new.
So
I
think
it
was
a
good
balance
and
thank
you
to
mr
sanderoff
you're,
a
legend
in
my
mind.
I
see
you
in
so
many.
H
Different
ways,
obviously
projecting
results
for
elections,
but
really
just
being
involved
with
like
what
are
what's
happening
in
our
our
state
and
in
terms
of
population
changes
and
growth.
So
thank
you
for
your
expertise
and
to
your
team,
the
technical
assistance
team.
I
didn't
really
have,
I
guess,
questions,
but
I
guess
I
agree.
Well-Heartedly
with
my
colleague
councilwoman.
H
Looking
at
these
districts
in
a
different
way,
obviously
we
would
think
about
it
as
the
voting
like
who's
going
to
be
in
our
district
now,
as
it
relates
to
our
constituents,
but
I
also
think
about
it
wholeheartedly
about
like
where
growth
is
occurring
and
where
we
actually
need
to
to
distribute
resources
and
amenities,
even
if
it's
not
in
our
district.
So
to
me,
that's
a
very
important
piece
to
these
changes
and,
as
we
know
not
all
districts
are
created
equal.
H
Q
However,
we
still
need
to
represent
them,
and
so
I
think
that's
a
good
point
that
you
made
also
based
on
law.
So
I
think
that
was
a
good
point
to
share,
because
I
did
want
to
just
clarify
for
the
public
about
why
that's
not
based
on
the
number
of
people
that
are
registered
to
vote.
So
that
was
helpful.
I
think
I
was
the
one
question
I
well
one.
One
thing
I
did
want
to
get
with
all
the
other
information
that
we.
H
Asked
about
population
numbers
square
mileage
is
if
you
could
just
also
provide
us
per
district.
What
does
what
precincts
ended
up
being
included
in
our
district,
because
it's
it's
kind
of
unclear
in
this
map,
so
I'm
hoping
when
the
final
map
comes
about,
we
can
have
a
better
idea
of
which,
which
precincts
and
those
new
ones
that
you
mentioned.
It
would
be
very
helpful
to
see
that
and
know,
and
then
the
other
thing
I
just
wanted
to
ask.
I
didn't
think
this
would
be
part
of
your
analysis,
but
there
is
a.
Q
Well,
there
was
one
change
that
was
brought
to
our
attention
that
had
400
and
some
odd
people,
and
it
did
look
adjacent
to
district
one
and
it
looked
like
it
would
fit
into
it
like
a
glove
leave
it
up
to
the
lawyers
to
figure
out.
If
you
have
to
go
through
the
whole
process
to
make
that
minor
change
or
not.
I
I
can
tell
you
that
cities
annex.
Q
H
Q
All
right,
I'm
also
mayor
webber,
councilman
bureau.
We
did
actually
look
at
that:
the
clerk's
office,
the
attorney's
office
and
actually
brittany
who
isn't
here
for
the
presentation.
We
did
review
that
and
the.
H
Numbers
and
the
allowable
variations
would
accommodate
that,
especially
in
district
one,
so
we
did
look
at
the
potential
with
the
possible
annexate
area
to
be
amex
and
we
would
still
be
within
our
range
for
that
district
got
it.
Okay,
that's
good
to
know,
because
I'm
not
sure
where
what
the
status
is
of
that,
but
it
would
be
good
to
be
prepared
if
there's
something
they
need
to
do
to
make
adjustments.
C
H
Think,
that's,
that's
it
really!
I
you
know.
I
appreciate
that
you
all
considered
so
many
different
options.
I
know
at
one
point
I
was
looking
at
a
proposed
map
and
I'm
like
wow
everybody
gets
changed.
They
will
be
going
into
a
completely
different
district.
So
I'm
glad
it
didn't
end
up
that
direction.
H
It'll
be
good
to
see
how
these
balance
out
the
districts
in
terms
of
not
just
population
and
not
just
voters,
but
also
just
growth,
as
my
colleague
said,
and
and
just
how
we're
starting
to
look
at
where
we
distribute
resources,
and
so
thank
you
so
much
and
thank
you
for
the
team
and
all
of
your
hard.
U
C
You
councilwoman
others
councilwoman
caston.
Thank
you
just
one
follow-up
question
so
for
those
constituents
that
are
having
their
representatives
change,
when
does
that
change?
Take
place
well,
you'll
be
using
these
new
districts
for
your
next
election.
Okay.
So
after
the
2023
election
yeah,
I
mean
there's
always
an
awkward
time,
because
I
mean
some
of
you
were
elected
in
2021
and
technically
by
voters
in
a
particular
district
through
2025,
but
the
districts
are
going
to
change
and
luckily
the
changes
aren't
all
that
different
you'll
prob.
C
Even
for
those
of
you
who
will
elected
through
2025
under
the
old
district
boundaries,
you'll
probably
start
transitioning
to
the
new
boundaries
to
represent
the
people
who
think
you
represent
them,
but
yeah
these
this
will
be
in
effect
for
your
next
election.
C
V
Nothing
there's
no
clear-cut
answer
to
that,
and
every
governmental
entity
asks
it.
If
you
had
a
vacancy
tomorrow
among
one
of
your
city
councils,
you'd,
probably
appoint
someone
new
from
the
old
boundaries
right,
because
the
new
ones
haven't
begun
to
be
used
for
an
election.
Yet
when
does
your.
V
For
public
campaign
financing,
I'm
sorry
mayor
comes
when
we're
out
in
may,
and
so
that's
when
we
anticipate
that
we'll
be
transitioning
to
this
for
residents.
So
it
is
in
anticipation
of
the
next
election
that
we'll
start
implementing
these
new
map
changes
and
just
as
a
quick
side
note,
we
are
working
with
gis
right
now
for
the
overlays,
we'll
have
interactive
maps
that
will
have
both
the
precincts
but
then
also
similar
to
the
search
function
that
the
council
has
now
where
people
can
enter
their
address.
V
You'll
be
able
to
know
if
your
district
re-changed
and
then,
if
your
district
changed
and
then
also
we're
working
on
direct
mailers
for
residents
again
closer
to
the
election.
That
has
specific
changes,
we'll
also
be
sending
these
maps
to
the
secretary
of
state
and
the
county
clerk
so
that
they
can
upload
the
information
in
their
database.
V
V
H
Regards
to
the
election
right,
so
the
people
who
elected
you
are
still
the
people
who
elected
you
from
your
current
district,
at
least
for
now.
I
think
those
two
years
in
between
where
counselors
have
been
elected
under
the
new
and
some
have
been
elected
under
the
old
that
two-year,
I
don't
know
if
it
impacts
anything
really
other
than
people
just
having
different
perspective.
Maybe
some
people
will
have
a
perception
of
three
and
some
people
have
a
perception
of
two,
but
everyone
will
still
have
at
least
two
people
who
represent
them
yeah.
H
And
we're
very
grateful
to
you.
H
Very
clear,
at
least
for
the
moment,
but
I'm
sure
there'll
be
questions
in
the
future.
We'll
come
back,
we
will
and
the
public
will
have
many
more,
but
I
think
we're
following
all
of
the
dictates
that
you
laid
out
as
the
criteria
which
should
make
us
very
proud
of
the
effort
of
the
commission
to
get
things
right.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you
mayor.
If
I
may
say
one
thing:
this
is
the
only
city
that
has
a
system
like
this
albuquerque
and
las
cruces.
H
You
know
they
have
a
committee
or
a
commission
in
some
cases,
and
all
they
do
is
recommend
to
the
city
council,
and
so
that
commission
might
work
for
four
months
and
then
the
council
could
adopt
amend,
ignore
the
legislature
had
a
citizen
tradition.
They
worked
for
five
months
and
then
they
turn
it
over
to
the
legislature
to
do
with
it.
What
they
will
here,
the
voters
passed
a
plan
that
actually
created
an
independent
commission
and
just
my
personal
experience
with
it
has
been
amazing.
It's
a
very
independent
process.
A
H
V
V
E
H
V
Produced
on
the
y-axis
and
color
coded
by
where
that
production
came
from
so
the
light
blue
at
the
bottom
is
santa
fe
river
water
treated
at
canyon,
road,
the
darker
blue,
is
buckman,
is
rio
grande
water
treated
at
buckman
direct
diversion,
the
orange
is
buchmann
well
water
and
the
yellow
is
city,
welfield
water.
The
gray
line
that
moves
through
there
is
the
amount
of
water
that
was
sold
by
day
in
that
period.
H
V
A
couple
of
interesting
things
to
note
in
this
chart
are
the
two
orange
pulses
in
march
and
in
june
we
are
doing
some
groundwater
testing
at
the
buckman
welfield,
where
we
pump
one
well
and
only
one
well
for
a
month,
and
then
we
try
not
to
pump
anything
for
a
while,
and
this
allows
our
geohydrologists
to
understand
the
aquifer
system.
Better,
pretty
interesting.
You
can
see
it
on.
P
This
this
large
longer
graph,
you
can
see
how
suddenly
demand
drops
halfway
through
june.
This
next
chart
shows
a
zoom
in
of
that,
and
also
plotted
on
this
chart
in
green
is
the
cumulative
rainfall
that
we
received
at
a
rain
gauge
up
in
the
santa
fe
watershed.
So
it's
fairly
remarkable
to
note
that
when
we
finally
got
those
rains
that
everyone
was
hoping
for,
demand
dropped
by
about
3
million
gallons
per
day,
because
of
that
rain,
water
and
and
in
addition
to
that
demand,
dropping
we
also
had
inflows
to
our
reservoirs.
P
So
certainly
those
those
rains
were
very
welcome
from
the
perspective
of
city
of
santa
fe
water.
P
Okay,
the
next
chart
that
I
would
like
to
show
is
a
charge
that
just
shows
cumulative
water
production
through
the
year
and
again
this
is
only
half
the
year
but
compares
it
to
what
we
view
as
our
sort
of
sustainable
production
ability
from
the
two
different
types
of
water.
So
here
we're
lumping
the
two
surface
water
sources
into
the
the
river
water,
the
blue
river,
water
color
and
the
two
groundwater
sources
into
the
rust.
Well,
water,
color
and
much
of
the
things
I
have
to
say
about
this
figure
are
similar
to
what
I've
already
said.
P
Only.
I
would
just
point
out
that
we
do
estimate
on
the
order
of
12
000
acre
feet
per
year,
that
we
can
produce
with
all
of
our
sources
and
we're
on
track
to
be
somewhere
in
the
eight
thousands
and
certainly
less
than
nine
thousand
acre
feet
per
year.
Again.
Q
Somewhere
around
800
acre
feet
up
to
1170
in
early
july
and
that
that
was
a
result
of
the
rains
that
I
that
I
mentioned.
I
guess
it's
worth
pointing
out
that
at
the
end
of
june,
we
were
at
about
30
capacity
on
the
santa
fe
river
reservoirs
and
that
the
the
scales
are
quite
different.
On
these
two
charts,
you
can
see
that
we
have
over
13,
almost
14
000,
acre
feet
of
storage
of
san
juan
chamber
water
and
again,
to
put
that
in
context
we
typically
use
less
than
000
per
year.
C
C
I
would
point
out
well
yeah
there
we
feel
there's
possible
mechanical
causes,
including
either
main
breaks,
hydrant
testing
or
valve
malfunctions
or
chemical
causes,
including
possible
changes
to
source
water.
We
are
investigating
the
possibility.
Still
we
don't
still
don't
have
a
firm
answer
on
what
it
is
that
has
happened.
P
C
C
C
C
C
With
that
contractor
with
that
potential
contractor
the
permitting
is
also
underway,
there
are
two
different
permitting
efforts
there.
One
is
a
national
environmental
protection
act
permitting
that
started
last
november
in
and
will
sort
of
really
ramp
up
early
next
year.
W
V
With
that,
I
would
be
happy
to
stand
for
questions.
Thank
you,
sir.
I
wanted
to
add
a
little
context
and
then
I
do
have
a
question
to
to
kick
it
off
with,
but
I
want
to
remind
people
who
are
not
on
the
governing
body,
but
who
may
be
watching
or
listening
the
original
reason
for
these
regular
updates.
F
Was
discussed
widely
across
the
community
that,
with
serious
drought
conditions.
A
F
C
With
that,
as
a
contact
setting
comment,
I
think
it'd
be
useful
just
to
go
back
to
the
basic
point
you
made
in
passing,
which
was
where
we
are
today
with
regard
to
the
amount
of
water
that
the
city
has
available
and
at
the
moment
on
the
current
rate
of
utilization,
where
we
stand
this
year
and
if
you
could
just
highlight
that
one
detail
force.
That
would
be,
I
think,
kind
of
the.
N
N
N
Recognized
is
all
the
incredible
work
that
our
ratepayers
and
customers
have
done
since
1995,
when
the
total
demand
of
a
smaller
population
was
over
13
000
acre
feet
per
year.
That
was
not
a
sustainable
demand,
and
our
constituents
have
done
a
great
job,
understanding
that
water
conservation
is
our
ethic
here
and
have
continuously
reduced
how
much
water
they
use.
So
that's
very
impressive
and
always
worth
restating.
N
I
just
wanna
one
one,
one
more
question
quickly,
so
I
really
appreciate
your
doing
this
on
a
regular
basis
just
for
people's
information
looking
forward.
When
do
you
think
on
your
rotation
in
front
of
us?
When
will
we
see
you
again
and
do
you
anticipate
any
further
developments
that
we'll
need
to
be
aware
of?
N
C
For
the
update
I
do
want
to,
I
have
one
question
around
the
water
discoloration
issue,
because
it's
impacted
my
district,
pretty
heavily.
You
gave
a
list
of
possible
reasons
why
we're.
F
Having
a
discoloration
on
monday
right
constantly,
when
we
had
public
works
and
utilities
and
they
went
through
how
they
look
and.
T
That
they
kind
of
went
through
was
cctv.
They
take
stick
cameras
down
the
pipes
to
make
sure
what's
going
on
and
make
sure
our
sewer
drains
are
clean
and
things
are
flowing
where
they
need
to
flow
to.
Are
you
doing
that
with
the
water
situation?
I
mean
what
what
research
is
being
done?
I
know
that
you
kind
of
identified
the
source
of
the
discoloration,
but
not
not
necessarily
the
reason.
T
There
can
be
several
reasons:
some
can
be
low
cost.
Some
can
be
astronomical
and
I
think
that's
where
I'd
like
to
learn
more
about
what
are
we
doing
to
research
the
cause,
because
if
it
is
on
that
astronomical
end,
we've
got
to
plan
and
prepare
to
replace
lines
whatever
it
may
take
to
ensure
that
people's
water,
even
though
it
might
be
safe,
they
want
clear
water,
they
don't
want
brown
water
and
not
only
to
drink
but
bathe.
T
I
mean
I,
I
saw
many
many
pictures
of
folks
bathtubs
filled
up
where
they
didn't
feel
safe
to
to
bathe
and
so
any
update
on
the
the
research
besides
to
determine
the
cause.
Besides
the
color,
I
mean
what's
causing
it
mayor,
webber,
councilor
garcia,
so
we've
been
sampling
regularly
at
all
the.
F
Program
which
samples
at
80
different
locations
20
per
week
on
a
four-week
cycle,
that's
our
kind
of
baseline
sampling
that
do
we
do
all
the
time.
With
this
event,
we've
started
sampling
when
we
get
the
groundwater
reports,
we're.
J
Trying
to
sample
the
actual
area
where
that
occurs,
the
location
where
the
the
complaint
comes
from
and
that's
how
we've
honed
in
on
what
we
believe
is
the
the
source
we're
still
working
on
the
cause,
and
so
I
don't
have
an
update
for
you.
I
can
say
that
that
sort
of
a
manganese
manganese
is
what
we
think
is
the
constituent
that
was
elevated
in
certain
locations
several
of
those
days,
and
it's
something
that
we
have
seen.
We
saw
at
some
point
15
or
so
years
ago.
J
There
is
manganese,
naturally
in
the
water
and
especially
in
santa
fe
river
water,
and
so
it
can
be.
It
does
tend
to
precipitate
out
and
build
up
inside
pipes,
but
that's
normal,
and
so
when
the
system
is
working
normally
it
we're
delivering
clear
water,
we'll
work.
We
will
continue
to
look
and
and
really
try
and
get
a
handle
on
what
it
is.
That
happened
at
the
moment,
we're
back
down
to
delivering
clear
water,
which
is
certainly
where
we
want
to
be.
J
C
See
some
build
up
of
of
minerals.
Manganese
is
similar
to
iron,
it's
a
it's
a
metal
that
can
build
up,
and
so
we
think
that
that's
sort
of
part
of
the
system
and
and
that
we
can
operate
the
system
safely
and
deliver
clear
water
with
the
existing
pipe
network.
C
G
G
So
we
do
understand
when
it's
a
mechanical
cause
like
that
and
it's
possible
that
that's
what
happened
here
and
by
flushing
it.
We
have
resolved
the
problem,
but
we're
doing
extra
sampling.
In
fact,
today,
in
the
normal
20
that
we
sampled,
we
had
a
consultant
with
the
samplers
taking
extra
parameters.
Just
to
try
and
understand,
did
anything
change.
G
Okay,
thank
you
and
the
reason
why
I'm
kind
of
honing
in
on
a
pipe
failure
is
we're
going
to
have
an
influx
of
federal
resources
coming
in
for
infrastructure
dollars
and
if
we
need
to
put
some
of
that
money
towards
replacement
of
our
infrastructure
for
water
system
pipes,
what
are
the
great
opportunity,
then
the
one
that's
before
us,
and
that's
why
I
was
very
much
interested
to
see
if
that
is
a
need.
The
city
is
going
to
have
whether
it's
going
to
be
in
5
10,
even
15
years.
G
Let's
start
investing
in
that,
so
counselor
garcia.
I
would
say
that
we
do
have
an
idea
of
when
we
should
be
replacing
all
different
types
of
infrastructure
in
our
system,
including
the
pipes
and
it's
part
of
our
asset
management
plan,
and
we
have
large
capital
needs
now
that
are
are
different.
Like
those
three
big
projects
that
I
showed
at
the
end
here,
but
we
also
are
continuing
on
replacing
those
names
which
we
feel
like
have
have
outlasted
their
useful
life.
J
G
I
just
don't
want
us
to
have
a
flint
michigan
crisis
on
our
hands,
so
not
to
say
we're
there
by
no
means,
but
I
want
us
to
ensure
that
we're
doing
everything
we
can
with
that.
Thank
you,
director,
roach.
I
really
appreciate
the
information.
No
other
questions,
mr
mayor.
Thank
you
councillor,
councillor
rivera,
thank
you.
Director
rose
just
from
working
on
public
works
for
a
number
of
years.
It's
my
understanding
that
they
can
camera
the
sewer
lines,
because
it's
low
flow,
low
pressure
as
compared
to
the
water
lines.
G
Is
that
still
the
case
mayor
weber,
councilor
rivera,
you
may
know
more
about
it
than
I
do,
but
that
is
my
understanding
as
well
and,
like
I
say
we
did
speak
to
a
vendor
just
today
about
which
pipes
we
could
camera
and
it
tended
to
be
the
larger,
the
larger
pipes.
So
we
do
use
other
interesting
technologies
for
leak
detection
where
they
can
go
along
pipe
and
listen,
essentially
and
potentially
hear
leaks.
G
So
that's
one
way
that
we
on
a
continuous
basis,
are
able
to
find
and
repair
leaks,
and
then
that
helps
inform
us
on
on
which
pipes
we
might
want
to
completely
replace
okay.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation.
G
Thank
you
counselor
others
announcer
lee
garcia.
Thank
you
mayor.
I
just
have
one
question
in
regards
to
the
eight
percent
that
you
have
there
listed
as
far
as
unaccountable
water
loss.
G
How
does
that
measure
up
to
other
systems
or
cities
of
our
size
and
if
there's
one
thing
that
you
can
maybe
pinpoint
on
how
to
maybe
work
on
that?
I
don't
know
if
it's
something
that
has
been
looked
at
mayor,
webber,
councillor,
garcia,
that's
a
good
question
and
actually
eight
percent
is
is
quite
good.
You,
I
think
regularly
could
see
fifteen
to
twenty
percent
and
really,
I
think
the.
G
G
P
P
Madam
clerk,
we
have
another
presentation.
We
do.
We
have
our
midtown
moving
forward
presentation.
This
is
a
progress
report.
It's
the
midtown
line
development
plans,
an
overview
of
the
early
neighborhood
notification,
enn
meeting,
which
is
scheduled
for
thursday
july
14,
from
5
30
to
7
and
rich
brown.
Our
director
of
economic
development,
as
well
as
daniel
hernandez
and
lee
logsdon,
will
be
doing
the
presentation.
P
Thank
you,
madam
clerk,
good
evening,
members
of
the
council
it's
great
to
be
here
again
and
thank
you
for
this
time
to
go
over
this
partners
report.
I
just
wanted
to
take
a
minute
to
introduce
it.
As
you
know,
in
march,
you
approve
the
nine
step,
land
development
action
plan
of
through
resolution,
and
we
are
in
what
I
call
our
midtown
summer
of
action,
and
so
what
this
is
is
really
a
kick
off
of
some
of
the
things
that
are
going
to
happen
over
the
next.
C
F
As
a
preview
of
the
enn
process
and
what
they
will
see
tomorrow
july
14th,
I
also
wanted
to
caution
that
what
this
this
process
is
not-
and
this
e
n
tomorrow
is
not-
is
not
a
discussion
around
any
homeless
encampments
or
proposals
for
homeless
encampments
in
the
midtown
area,
and
also
it's
not
about
any
redevelopment
areas
or
blighted
designations
from
a
legal,
federal
or
state
standpoint.
F
So
with
that,
I
want
to
turn
it
over
to
daniel
to
go
through
the
progress
reports
on
where
we
are
in
our
timeline
and
the
work
that
he's
been
doing
and
the
team's
been
doing
and
then
have
it
turned
over
to
lee
to
give
you
kind
of
a
preview
of
what
you'll
see
at
the
end.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
Thank
you,
mr
brown.
F
We
have
a
presentation
that
should
be
coming
up
in
a
second,
but
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
get
back
in
front
of
the
council
and
the
governing
body
starting
this
month.
Good
question
was:
was
this
presentation
sent
to
the
counselors
prior
to
right
now?
Are
we
seeing
it
for
the
first
time
and
it
will
be
sent
and
it
will
be
posted
on
the
midtown
district
website
as
well?
F
There
was
some
edits
that
were
done
to
it
late
in
the
day,
so
I
apologize
for
not
getting
it
out,
but
yeah,
and
so
hopefully
it'll
come
up
soon,
but
anyway
it
was
an
important
benchmark
because
we
will
be
hosting
the
early
neighborhood
notification
meeting
tomorrow
evening.
It
was
broadly
advertised.
C
V
The
information's
out
there
again
it's
on
our
website
but
I'll
give
you
an
overview
of
what
will
be
presented.
This
is
a
very
abbreviated
version,
because
I
know
that
you
are
strapped
for
time,
but
we
do
encourage
you
to
participate
in
the
enn,
the
early
neighborhood
notification
meeting
tomorrow
evening.
That
starts
at
5
30..
So
next
slide.
V
So
a
look
back,
as
you
may
remember,
starting
in
march,
the
office
of
economic
development
issued
an
action
memo
to
this
governing
body
after
we
had
terminated
the
rfei
with
the
master
developer
process
and
what
it
did
was
to
sort
of
push
forward
a
series
of
initiatives
that
we
have
all
been
focused
on
over
the
past
several
months,
the
major
one
meaning
being
that
the
city
would
take
on
the
responsibility
of
entitling
the
land,
which
was
one
of
the
big
benchmarks
that
we
heard
over
and
over
again
from
the
master
developers
who
responded.
The
rfp.
S
To
fulfill
their
commitments,
around
transparency
and
inclusivity
in
that
engagement
process,
so
everything
you
see
below
that
are
everything
is:
is
that
what
we've
been
working
on
again?
This
was
outlined
in
that
march
memo
earlier
this
year
that
director
richard
brown
issued
to
everybody
next
slide.
S
This
again
you've
seen
before,
but
we
wanted
to
bring
it
in
for
you
again.
You
know
we
started
last
year
with
a
series
of
planning
sessions
that
led
to
the
fall
engagement
workshops
that
the
our
midtown
engagement
partners
hosted
our
midtown
engagement
partners
being
six
to
ten
community
organizations
that
we
supported
financially
to
defray
costs
for
hosting
community
engagement
in
neighborhoods,
and
that
culminated
in.
C
S
S
But
I
do
want
to
remind
everyone
that
even
starting
the
in
2021
the
work
really
started,
because
a
lot
of
the
a
lot
of
the
master
planning
work
refers
back
to
the
link
overlay,
which
was
passed
in
2016
by
by
the
governing
body.
It
also
captures
everything
that
was
passed
in
the
resolution
in
2018
as
a
result
of
the
midtown
campus
project
was,
when
many
of
you
may
remember,
there
were
five
firms:
local
firms
that
did
very
high
level
division
plans
for
the
future
of
midtown.
S
It
culminated
in
what
was
approved
in
a
resolution,
the
midtown
planning
guidelines,
and
then
this
year,
as
I
was
saying
earlier,
we
have
these
planning
sessions.
Then
the
midtown
engagement
partners
workshop
that
culminated
in
a
report
that
was
done
by
our
community
engagement
partner,
our
consultant,
the
design
and
planning
assistance
center
at
unm,
and
we
I'm
sure
you
do
and
you
forward
them
to
us
whether
it's
from
the
mayor
city,
council,
people
from
too
rich
me
and
now
lee
we're
all
receiving
daily
emails
about
their
thoughts
on
midtown.
A
I
won't
spend
much
time,
but
I
do
want
to
remind
you
that
there
are
two
plans
and
tonight
we're
going
to
talk
about
that.
First,
one:
the
land
development
plan,
which
talks
about
everything
that
can
be
built
developed
on
a
piece
of
property.
It
does
not
deal
with
a
lot
of
the
social
and
community
objectives
that
we
heard
over
the
past
few
years.
That
is
all
being
captured
in
the
community
development
plan
and
again,
the
that
report
from
the
midtown
engagement
partners
continues
to
will
continue
to
inform
the
community
development
plan.
A
It's
a
more
policy
oriented
plan
that
you
will
be
presented
over
the
course
of
summer
as
well,
and
you
will
be
asked
to
hear
it
to
vote
on
it
in
october.
D
So
the
purpose
of
an
enn
is
really
to
provide
an
opportunity
for
the
developer
owner
to
present
to
the
public
what
it
is
that
they're
applying
for
and
within
that
land
use
application.
That's
the
first
purpose.
The
second
purpose
is
to
actually
hear
back
whether
we're
on
the
right
track.
Everything
that
we've
heard
over
the
past
few
years
hasn't
been
captured.
Did
we
incorporate
your
you
know
the
strong
preferences
and
requirements
that
you
want
to
see
for
the
land
development
plan
and
then
that
way
we
can
begin
tweaking
it.
D
So
as
we
approach
the
application,
we
have
a
stronger
application
that
incorporates
some
of
the
voices
and
comments
that
we
heard
starting
tomorrow
evening
at
the
enn
meeting
it
starts
at
5
30..
We
hope
to
have
a
hardened
stop.
We
plan
to
have
a
hard
stop
at
5
30,
ending
at
7
p.m.
We
want
to
respect
people's
time
and,
at
the
end,
you'll
see
where
you
can
access
the
zoom
link
to
watch
the
meeting
participate
next
slide.
K
C
Promise
even
possibly
tonight,
if
not
early
tomorrow
morning,
you'll
get
this
and
you'll
be
able
to
read
these
slides.
But
again,
the
land
use
plan
is
primary
primarily
consists.
U
Of
two
big
elements,
the
master
plan
and
the
zoning,
the
master
plan
begins
to
outline
the
site
and
the
street
networks
the
blocks
that
are
built
on
it.
Where
density
will
happen
where
open
space
will
occur,
it
lays
that
all
out
the
zoning
is
going
to
say
what
can
actually
be
built
on
that
plan.
So
you'll
see
that
in
a
little
while,
then
lee
will
help
me
explain
those,
but
that
is
what
the
land
use
plan
and
the
application
really
is
it's
about
that
land
piece
next
slide.
U
U
So
I'm
going
to
turn
this
over
to
lee.
We
wanted
to
provide
you
a
context
for
this
zoning
so
that
you
have
a
technical
background
and
I
I
don't
think
it'll
be
boring
because
it's
actually
not,
but
it
provides
the
context
of
why
we're
zoning
in
a
particular
way.
U
Mayor
council,
let's
could
be
in
front
of
you
again
what
might
surprise
a
lot
of
residents.
Perhaps
not
the
council
is
that
the
current
zoning
at
the
midtown
campus
is
actually
r5
residential.
So
that's
literally
residential
zoning
that
would
allow
up
to
five
units
per
acre.
C
With
the
exception
of
the
shella
burger
tennis
facility,
that's
that
little
island
of
red
down
there,
which
is
already
zoned
c2
and
then,
as
you
can
see,
the
surrounding
area
on
cerrios
and
then
down
part
of
st
mike's
is
c2
commercial,
which
is
our
general
commercial
designation.
We
also
have
some
shopping
center,
commercial,
that's
the
light
purple
color
there
and
again
it
allows
residential
right
now,
so
the
uses
on
the
site
are
not
what
the
zoning
is
intended
for.
C
Likewise,
the
future
land
use
designation
for
midtown
itself
and
all
the
surrounding
state
uses
and
so
forth
is
institutional
or
public
that
is
appropriate
for
college
campus
and
for
the
various
government
activities
that
are
going
on
around
there.
But
again
it's
not
the
future
land
use
designation.
We
need
community
commercial.
Is
the
future
land
use
designation
for
st
michaels
and
cerrillos
and
again
the
shella
burger
tennis
center.
C
So
it's
twofold:
in
order
to
change
the
zoning,
you
need
to
have
appropriate
future
land
use
designation,
which
is
where
the
general
plan
amendment
comes
in
and
trying
to
keep
in
mind
as
we've
done
this
for
the
second
time
today
I
thought
maybe
one
more
slide
might
have
helped,
but
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
keeping
in
mind
that
all
the
surrounding
uses
are
commercial,
we've
got
two
colors
up
there
that
are
hard
to
see
on
this
screen,
at
least
with
my
eyesight.
C
The
kind
of
light
blue
highlighted
parcels
are
all
going
to
be
rezoned
c2
commercial
as
a
pud,
and
the
pud
will
reference
the
land
development
plan
as
the
development
standards
for
those
parcels,
so
in
other
words,
the
midtown
campus
itself
gets
c2
pud
zoning
planned
unit
development
with
the
land
development
plan
directing
the
land
uses
and
also
the
development
standards
for
particular
buildings.
That
includes
architecture.
C
It
includes
street
standards
and
so
forth
that
are
unique
to
the
campus,
and
then
you
see
the
red
parcels
down
there.
We
have
been,
as
this
process
has
been
going
on
for
several
years.
We
have
been
negotiating
with
the
state
and
some
other
entities
to
potentially
trade
some
properties,
and
that
is
starting
to
come
to
fruition
right
here
at
the
very
end.
C
So
just
recently,
we
decided
to
add
into
the
c2
rezoning
some
city-owned
properties
there,
as
well
as
some
of
the
state
properties,
the
idea
being
once
again,
keeping
in
mind
that
the
surrounding
zoning
is
all
commercial.
We're
kind
of
expanding
the
footprint
there
so
again
just
want
to
stress
that
the
red
parcels
you
see
there
towards
the
south
and
east
side
of
midtown
are
not
subject
to
the
master
plan
or
the
land
development
plan
as
we're
calling
it.
C
They
will
just
simply
be
subject
to
standard
c2,
zoning
land
uses
and
development
standards
and
also,
of
course,
subject
to
the
link
overlay,
which
covers
the
whole
area
there.
So
that's
been
an
exciting
development.
That's
happened
here
at
the
end.
Is
that
we're
able
to
include
those
parcels
in
there,
and
that
is
it
for
me.
I
think
the
next
slide
is
daniel.
Again.
C
I
just
wanted
to
summarize
this
so
current
land
use
zoning
and
it
allows
for
very
low
density,
residential,
primarily
single-family
homes.
That's
not
what
we
want
to
see
in
the
town.
It's
not
the
vision
that
people
have
expressed
to
us.
They
want
to
see
a
mixed
use,
fairly,
dense
urban
center
that
attracts
commercial
and
housing.
C
The
general
plan,
the
reason
it
has
to
be
amended
is
because
it
had
projected
that
at
some
point
that
was
always
going
to
be
an
institutional
educational
use.
Well,
it's
not
what's
on
the
table
right
now.
It's
mixed
use
urban
center,
so
the
general
plan
has
to
be
amended
amended
to
accommodate
that.
Finally,
the
last
slide
says:
look.
We
have
this
amazing
midtown
site
that
is
publicly
owned
by
the
city,
we're
about
to
get
these
adjacent
state-owned
parcels.
C
They
will
all
be
city-owned,
so
we
can
control
the
development
of
a
district,
so
we
have
a
midtown
site.
We
know
that
the
the
link
overlay
already
has
begun,
defining
the
surreals
and
st
mike's
corridors.
So
we're
just
saying
like
look.
This
is
the
urban
center.
This
is
the
district,
so
we're
taking
the
opportunity
to
rezone
those
parcels
as
well
as
they
come
into
city
ownership.
R
Plan
and
again.
F
It
you
may
have
heard
through
grapevine
or
whatever,
that
it's
a
flexible
plan,
meaning
that
it
is
not
the
typical
plan
that
you
would
see
in
a
previous
generation
where
it's
very
prescriptive,
there's
a
corner,
there's
a
five-story
building
with
a
tower.
It's
a
clock
tower.
It
has
commercial
and
we
prefer
so.
Those
plans
would
frequently.
Q
Would
come
in
and
say:
that's
a
beautiful
plan,
love
the
rendering,
but
we
can't
implement
that
because
you
know
there
may
be
so
it's
so
overly
prescriptive.
So
in
this
case
it's
publicly
owned
controlled.
So
as
we
begin
to
dispose
of
properties
through
rfqs,
our
rfps
will
be
able
to
define
within
those
rfps
for
future
use.
Again,
the
plan
is
flexible
enough
so
that
we
can
say
tomorrow,
let's
dispose
of
five
parcels
or
we
can
say,
let's
dispose
of
five
acres
to
a
master
developer.
Those
decisions.
W
V
On
the
flexibility
of
the
plan,
so
this
notion
of
incremental
development,
which
we
talked
about
previously
allows
for
small
developers,
medium
size
and
large
type
master
developers.
So
we
have
those
choices
ahead
of
us
next
next
slide.
F
F
So
here
you
see
non-residential
commercial
development,
the
amount
that
we
are
projecting
in
the
master
plan,
and
again
this
will
happen
through
rfps
in
the
disposition
of
land
over
time,
as
well
as
well
as
some
of
the
existing.
So
institut
a
lot
of
the
institutional
that
you
see.
There
is.
C
Existing
buildings
that
we
already
in
the
process
of
sitting
at
an
rfp.
Q
August
next
slide,
and
then
you
see
here
both
residential
development
capacity,
as
well
as
the
total
open
space,
so
we're
projecting
approximately
1100
units
to
be
built
on
the
site
and
we
are
projecting
approximately
twenty
percent
of
that,
which
is
around
225
units
to
be
affordable.
Now
that
will
happen
in
two
ways.
One
is
the
inclusionary
housing
requirement
will
be
applied
here.
We
project
that
about
165
units
will
be
generated
from
that
program.
Q
We're
not
going
to
have
an
opportunity
to
buy
out
of
it,
and
if
you
do,
the
in
lieu
fees
will
stay
within
the
link
overlay
zone,
which
is
already
written
into
the
link
overlay
zone,
so
that
we'll
see
production,
any
fees
generated
through
the
inclusionary
program
would
stay,
but
we
yeah.
So
the
second
piece
is,
we
have
said
to
the
community.
Q
We
intend,
on
dedicating
at
least
four
properties,
to
100,
affordable
housing
development
projects
and
in
that
we'll
be
issuing
rfps
again
they'll,
be
at
the
city's
discretion
around
around
rental,
home
ownership
and
land
trusts,
so
we'll
be
able
to
get
those
rfps
out
over
the
course
of
next
year,
hopefully,
to
begin
the
development
cycles
for
100,
affordable
housing
projects,
then
you
see
the
total
open
space
and
I
just
want
to
reiterate-
and
tomorrow,
if
you
participate,
you'll
see
a
lot
of
the
open
space
is
both
green
streets
as
well
as
parks
and
open
space
that
are
for
recreational
passive
in
and
other
types
of
recreational
uses,
but
they're
part
of
the
infrastructure
system,
green
infrastructure
system
as
well.
Q
We
also
want
to
communicate
that
we
knew
that
sustainability
was
an
important
element
in
the
design
of
the
master
plan.
We
use
the
us
green,
the
usgbc,
which
is
the
united
states,
green
building,
council
leadership
for
energy
and
environmental
design
to
design
the
midtown
master
plan.
Q
We
also
engage
the
sustainable
sustainability
office
because
I
don't
know
whether
you
know
we're
not
that
santa
fe
is
a
lead
gold
city.
So
we
coordinated
with
them
in
a
lot
of
the
actions
that
we
incorporated
into
the
master
plan.
But
I
just
highlighted
some
of
the
big
pieces
of
the
puzzle
that
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
are
communicated
to
the
public
in
the
way
that
we
thought
about
it:
walkable,
streets,
green
streets,
etcetera
and,
finally,
the
dance.
We
wanted
to
also
communicate
that
the
density
patterns
within
the
midtown.
U
Height,
etc,
are,
as
the
link
overlay
there's
a
few
more
requirements
within
the
town
master
plan
regarding
the
way
that
street
the
buildings
meet
streets
to
create
a
pedestrian,
a
strong
pedestrian
environment,
but
anyway,
they'll
be
in
the
master
plan.
When
you
receive
that
as
well.
U
Next
again,
the
master
plan-
and
I
I
want
to
reiterate-
also
that
when
we
were
designing
this,
the
we
knew
that
day,
one
is
going
to
look
much
different
than
year,
12,
meaning
that
we
thought
about
connectivity
into
the
future
so
that
we
can
begin
just
talking
to.
We
have
we've
already
begun
discussions
with
adjacent
property
owners
about
their
interest
in
development
on
their
sites
and
how
they
might
then
connect
back
into
midtown
and
us
to
them.
U
So
there's
been
those
ongoing
discussions
and
a
lot
of
the
connectivity
that
you
see
here
has
been
through
those
discussions.
Next
so
right
now,
if
you
go
to
the
midtown
website,
you'll
see
two
banners
at
the
top.
One
will
say
for
more
information
on
the
enn
go
here:
you'll
see
all
the
documents
that
are
required
for
the
e
n
process
and
then
below
that
you'll
see
if
you're
a
civic
organization,
and
you
want
to
participate
in
the
community
education
sponsorship
program
to
host
an
event,
there's
an
application
and
the
purpose
of
that
program.
U
C
F
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
thank
you
daniel
and
me
and
everybody
else
that
presented
tonight.
I
really
appreciate
it
got
a
quick
couple
questions
some
might
be
easier
to
answer
some
others
than
others.
F
S
So
I'd
like
for
folks
to
take
that
into
consideration
as
we're
moving
forward
with
this
plan
in
regards
to
process.
S
Is
this
going
to
be
the
same
process
that
we've
had
for
the
rail
yard,
where
we
will
own
the
land
and
we'll
lease
it
to
folks
and
they
can
build
and
develop
as
they
wish,
but
we've
retained
the
rights
to
the
land
so
again
that
that's
one
of
the
policy
items
it
wouldn't
be
in
a
land
use
plan,
but
it
would
be
in
the
community
development
plan
and
the
way
that
the
rfps
have
been
drafted.
They
they
aren't
all
finished
yet
and
they'll
be
ready
in
august.
S
But
the
the
statement
about
disposition
says
that
we,
the
city,
prefers
the
disposition
through
a
purchase
and
sale
agreement,
but
if
there
is
a
reason
why
that
a
long-term
ground
lease
benefits
the
city
at
the
city's
sole
discretion,
then
we
would
consider
that
as
well.
S
Okay-
and
I
just
believe
that
land
in
the
city
is
a
commodity-
it's
we
have
less
and
less
of
it
and
if
we
can
retain
the
rights
to
the
land,
I
would
be
in
favor
of
that
that
kind
of
gets
into
my
next
topic
of
affordable
housing
and
the
in
lula
fee.
S
I
appreciate
that
currently
there's
20
percent
being
planned.
I
think
the
community
would
like
to
see
a
lot
more
given
the
astronomical
price
of
housing
in
this
city.
If
we
are
going
to
be
leaders,
we
need
to
develop
that
space
with
the
leadership
mentality
and
have
that
a
lot
more
than
20.
S
I
would
urge
that
we
double
that
with
that
being
said,
I've
got
a
question,
and
maybe
this
is
for
our
city
attorney
in
regards
to
the
in
lieu
of
fee,
because
this
is
our
land.
Are
we
at
liberty
to?
S
I
guess
it
would
be
wave
or
not?
Have
the
opportunity
provide
the
opportunity
for
folks
to
waive
the
enlu
a
fee,
because
I
think
what
we've
seen
historically
is
that
folks
are
going
to
pay
the
endless
fee
and
what
we
need
is
housing.
I
agree
the
money
goes.
A
long
way,
but
for
a
situation
like
this,
where
housing
is
a
priority
and.
D
V
V
V
So
if
we
I
I'm
not,
don't
have
the
answer
right
now,
but
you
could
get
there.
There
is
a
way
to
get
there.
Okay,
whether
you're
there
now
is,
I
have
to
look
a
little
bit
more
at
it.
Okay,
thank
you.
I
appreciate
it.
You
probably
need
to
make
a
change.
C
P
Taken
regards
to
that
the
master
plan,
so,
mr
hernandez,
you
said.
V
C
F
C
J
F
Approval
of
a
master
plan,
rezoning
amendment
to
the
general
plan,
and
so
there
will
be
a
master
plan.
What
I
described
was
a
difference
in
master
planning
as
it's
evolved
since
the
60s
really
and
really
master
plans
today
allow
for
the
flexibility
so
that,
particularly
if
it's
publicly
owned
property
that
then
a
governing
body
has
the
opportunity
to
begin
to
respond
to
changing
priorities
in
their
cities.
F
C
D
Passed
by
the
governing
body
a
year
later,
they
were
having
to
re-look
at
it
because
none
of
it
could
be
implemented.
We
wanted
to
do
was
particularly
since
you
have
control
over
this,
that
it
can.
You
can
allow
for
new
decisions
to
be
made
at
what
gets
built
on
a
particular
parcel,
not
at
the
master
plan
level
that
will
be
prescribed
when
you
approve
it
or
if
you
approve
it
in
october.
D
Okay,
thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
two
simple
questions.
I
guess
around
tomorrow's
meeting:
one
why
heart
stopped
at
seven.
What
if
we've
got
the
house
packed
and
people
are
lined
up
to
provide
comment?
C
If
at
seven
o'clock,
we've
got
to
say
that's
it
and
folks
leave
without
providing
their
input.
Well,
I'm
going
to
I'm
going
to
actually
christina
a
little
bit.
If
you
can
help
me
answer
the
question,
but
on
the
first
part
we
just
wanted
to
be
respectful
of
people's
time
at
5
30
to
7.
I
think
we're
going
to
be
pretty
drained,
but
we
want
to
be
respectful
of
people's
time.
F
But
we
also
have
on
a
slide
that
people
can
submit
if
they
weren't
able
to
ask
a
question,
or
they
didn't
want
to
ask
a
question
in
public
that
they
can
contact
lee
and
maggie
moore
in
the
planning
office
to
submit
questions
to
them.
F
Subsequently,
we
and
the
second
piece
is
that
we
may
consider
them
doing
a
second
presentation
as
well,
so
that
if
we
find
like
god,
this
is
really
big,
let's
get
another
one
out
the
door
we
can,
but
that's
also
the
reason
we
wanted
to
do
the
community
education
sponsorship
program
so
that
we
can
also.
C
Join
them
in
their
efforts
as
well,
so
we
wanted
to
try
to
multi-prong
this
outreach
effort,
as
we
you
know
throughout
the
summer.
Okay,
thank
you.
I
just
want
to
ensure
we're
doing
everything
we
can
to
provide
a
space
for
residents
to
have
their
voice
heard,
and
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
for
folks
to
reach
out
after
the
fact,
but
in
person
I
mean
yeah.
I
can
only
imagine
if,
during
our
governing
body
meetings,
if
we
told
folks
well
eight
o'clock,
we're
stopping,
I
don't
care
if
the
line's
out
the
door,
it
doesn't
work
that
way.
C
C
C
Cancer
also,
we
are
we're
holding
this
enn.
A
In
the
scheme
of
things
very
early
in
the
planning
commission
cycle,
so,
for
instance,
what
I
mean
by
that
is
we're
holding
this
cnn
like
basically
a
full
month
before
the
actual
final
day.
You
could
have
one
and
still
go
to
planning
commission
on
october
6th.
So,
as
daniel
alluded,
you
know
we
could
have
another
meeting.
If
that's
what
the
public
wants
again
we'll
be
using
the
stipend
program
and
all
that
and
some
of
our
community
organizations
will
be
holding
additional
public
meetings
and
so
forth,
but
part
of
the
time.
D
Policy,
it's
one
reason
we're
not
doing
it
in
person.
Right
now
is
because
you
know
land
use
has
for
consistency.
D
And
so
forth
has
requested,
zoom
still
be
the
median
medium
and
likewise
the
time
frame
is
somewhat
determined.
That
way.
So
I
certainly
understand
your
concerns
and
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
communicate
is
that
we've
got
additional
time
to
you
know
either
have
another.
C
Meeting
a
series
of
meetings
take
input,
etc.
Okay,
thank
you
leah.
I
appreciate
that
and
that
touched
base
on
my
last
question,
which
was
around
zoom
and
it
being
on
zoom
and
usually
traditionally,
these
meetings
are
held
in
person
and
that's
been
one
concern.
I've
heard
from
folks
as
well
is
the
the
technology
needed
for
folks
to
participate
in
in
the
meeting,
and
so
I.
D
Guess
director
clue,
I
don't
know
if
you're
able
to
speak
to
when
we
might
reconvene
enn
meetings
in
person
just
because
this
is
the
biggest
development
on
the
city's
plate,
and
I
would
think
we
would
be
trying
to
afford
avenues
for
folks
to
participate
in
any
which
way
and.
P
To
participate
and
we
want
to
ensure
that
we're
allowing
everybody
to
participate
and
voice
their
opinion
in
the
e
m.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
councilor.
Garcia.
Thank
you
for
the
question
so
during
covet,
you
know
we
did
pivot
to
online
enns
and
they
are
they're
extremely
effective.
So
far,
and
I
I
don't
disagree
with
you.
C
That,
with
a
bigger
meeting,
we
may
want
to
conduct
those
live.
I
think
it
was
a
strategic
choice
because
we
are
still.
Q
But
I
I
personally
would
like,
as
a
policy
to
keep
them
on
zoom
when
it's
when
it
makes
sense
because
they
yeah
we
found
that
they
are
effective.
Okay,
thank
you
director.
I
appreciate
that
I
was
just
thinking
we
had
so
much
success
with
the
midtown
block
party
in
person.
Q
What
better
way
than
to
get
folks
back
to
the
campus
than
through
an
enn
meeting
to
say,
look,
here's
the
space
provide
your
input.
I
mean
we
have
the
space
to
accommodate
it.
So
if,
if
we
do
have
a
second
meeting
or
if
there's
a
need
for
it,
I
would
highly
encourage
us
to
look
into
that
option
of
utilizing
one
of
the
auditoriums
on
the
campus.
Q
So
with
that,
I
appreciate
the
update
just
next
time,
please
if
we
can
get
the
presentation
ahead
of
time
just
so
we
can
digest
it
because
I'm
sure
I'll
have
questions
and
I'll
reach
out
to
you,
mr
hernandez.
After
with
that,
thank
you,
mr
matt.
Thank
you
councillor.
Other
questions,
councilman
virial,
you
have
the
floor.
Thank
you
mayor.
Thank
you
all
for
the
presentation.
Q
V
With
around
housing,
I
don't
know
if
that
slide
could
come
back
up,
but
you
said
to
well
first
off:
how
did
you
arrive
at
those
numbers
and
then
also
the
breakdown
was
225,
affordable
and
then
under
that
was
inclusionary
and
dedicated
parcels
and.
C
F
Building
sizes
that
we
want
to
see
on
particular
blocks,
for
example,
we
didn't
want
to
see
one
block
with
one
huge
building
on
it.
We
wanted
to
see
a
series
of
buildings
so
there's
there
was
an
analysis
of
building
height
and
building
densities
that
we
can
put
on
the
site,
and
so
that
was
one
way
that
the
level
of
development
site
capacity
was
analyzed.
The
other
one
was
having
conversations
with
local,
affordable
housing
developers
when
their
financing
projects,
what
that
sweet
spot
is
in
their
financial
performance.
F
D
F
D
For
projects
that
we
would
dedicate
100
on
these
four
parcels
that
we
had
talked
about
and
then
the
other
ones
were
also
home
ownership,
and
so
we
talked
to
homeownership
developers
and
they
were
saying
around
40
to
50-
is
what
really
we
really
typically
can
finance
on
a
particular
project.
So
that's
how
it
was
a
kind
of
a
iteration
with.
P
W
For
so
those
are
future
decisions.
S
P
Example,
so
let's
say
that
we
do:
we
want
to
see
a
mixed
income.
Q
V
C
Apartment
building
would
be
10,
I'm
making
some
I'm
using
just
a
dollar
for
that
land.
But
then
you
say
you
want
an
additional
affordability
into
it,
suddenly
that
land
value
is
going
to
go
down
to
seven.
So
those
are
decisions
about
revenues
that
you
want
to
receive
from
the
disposition
of
properties
that
a
governing
body
can
make
okay
yeah.
I
guess
I
I
understand
the
from
your.
F
Having
different
values
other
than
the
like
financial,
like
community
value,
and
just
making
sure
that
we
have
more
affordable
housing,
especially
where
we
have
control
over
a
piece
of
land
yeah.
Just
if
I
may.
F
On
you
know,
the
neighborhood
and
typically
cities
strive
for
between
10
to
12
percent
of
affordability,
and
that
ranges
around
affordable
to
whom
20
is
actually
really
pushing
high,
and
I'm
I'm
excited
about
that.
But
again
these
are
decisions,
as
a
governing
body
you
can
make,
would
encourage
you
to
look
at
policies
around
the
country
and
how
cities
decide
on
those
levels
of
affordability.
F
If
you
concentrate
too
much
again,
you're
reducing
land
values,
kind
of
create
a
different
dynamic,
but
those
are
decisions
you
can
make
yeah.
I
guess
right
now
across
the
country,
there's
not
many
good
models.
C
A
J
A
D
Counselor,
vietnam,
I'm
smiling
because
jason
kluke
and
I
have
been
texting
about
this
subject
throughout
this
meeting,
but
I
think
so
since
the
city
is
the
applicant
in
this
case
you
you
are
welcome
to
go
to
the
e
enn.
D
I
would
suggest
you
don't
have
a
conversation
during
the
e
n
with
each
other,
or
we
did
not
announce
this
as
a
special
meeting.
That's
why
I
say
this
if
you'd
like
to
have
a
special
meeting,
we
can
look
at
that,
but
we
did
not
announce
this
as
a
governing
body
meeting
so
discussion
amongst
the
members
or
on
the
same
topic
during
the
meeting.
D
I
don't
I
advise
against,
but
I
think
you
can
attend
and
watch
so
don't
interact
on
zoom
with
our
colleagues.
Is
that
what
you're
saying.
Q
C
Q
In
play,
so
if
five
or
more
of
you
are
there
or
virtually,
I
guess
it's
all
going
to
be
virtually.
C
Then
I
recommend
against
it
having
that
having
a
discussion,
but
you
can,
you
can
observe
and
then
you
can
follow
up
with
any
staff
afterwards
with
questions
and
that
type
of
thing
or
during
one
of
our
hearings
and
if
there's
questions
that
are
posed
to
us.
F
Okay
and
then
because
mirror
counselor,
I
would.
The
public
should
still
not
be
interacting
with
you
on
a
one-on-one
basis.
D
F
And
the
record
needs
to
be
during
public
hearings
that
are
in
front
of
the
counselors.
So
if
public
has
comments,
they
want
to
direct
you,
it
should
be
during
one
of
these.
It
should
be
directed
to
the
well
the
planning
commission.
It
would
be
part
of
the
record
if
they
were
to
make
that
comment
there
and
raise
something
to
the
attention
and
then
that
will
be
part
of
the
record
you
receive
or
they
would
raise
that
concern
in
front
of
the
governing
body
when
it
ultimately
comes
in
front
of
the
governing
body.
F
C
An
example:
if
jenkins
gavin
was
the
applicant
in
this
process,
they
would
be
the
one
hosting
the
meeting.
It's
why
we've
tried
to
be
really
consistent
with
the
enn
process
to
stay
on
zoom,
to
identify
the
fact
that
we're
currently
acting
as
an
applicant
moving
this
through
the
process.
So
it
will
go
to
planning
commission
it'll
essentially
come
to
governing
body,
and
the
idea
for
this
presentation
was
to
give
a
preview
to
the
governing
body
of
what
would
be
presented
tomorrow
night
at
the
enn
and
again.
Q
It's
a
little
complicated
because
the
city
to
my
knowledge
hasn't
been
the
applicant
for
the
for
a
piece
of
property
at
this
scale,
and
so
I
do
want
to
further
clarify
that
we'll
have
leigh
and
daniel
will
be
presenting
tomorrow
night,
similar
to
the
way
we've
had
applicants
and
I
use
jenkins
gavin
because
we've
all
been
in
meetings
where
they
present
to
us
and
they're
the
applicant
for
a
project,
and
so
in
this
situation.
Q
Lee
and
daniel
are
the
applicant
and
then
the
interaction
and
the
meeting
flow
will
be
follow
the
e
n
process
of
land
use.
Basically,
I
hope
that
clarifies,
but
it's
something
we've
struggled
with
to
kind
of
help
clarify
and
we're
still,
I
think,
obviously
working
through
that.
But
hopefully
that
helps
clarify
a
little
bit
for
the
engagement
and
the
level
at
which
governing
body
members
would
engage
during
the
enn
meeting
versus
during
the
governing
body
meeting.
When.
V
I
remember
thank
you.
I
wanted
to
add
on
that
the
point
the
proposal
may
change
and
often
does
change
between
the
enn
and
the
hearings
that
that
follow.
So
I
think
that's
something
to
keep
in
mind
as
well.
There
may
be
things
discussed
at
the
end
that
aren't
ultimately
in
the
record.
So
that's
please
keep
that
in
mind.
Thank
you
and
the
presentation
that
you
give
us
tonight
is
that
the
same
presentation
you
all
are
doing
tomorrow.
V
Okay,
there
will
be
more
details,
okay
got
it
and
then
last
the
presentation,
because
it's
on
zoom
will
be
recorded,
so
folks
that
can't
be
on
at
that
moment
can
listen
to
it
later
and
that
will
be
on
the
website.
Okay,
thank
you.
V
V
The
whole
point
of
the
enn
process
is
to
get
more
feedback
and
to
see
where
this
draft
development
proposal
needs
to
be
adjusted.
So
then,
if
you
start
focusing
on
a
number
of
units
of
housing
right
now,
it's
really
a
calculation,
not
a
proposal
and
awaits
further
clarification
and
refinement
through
the.
W
S
And
then,
ultimately,
coming
through
the
planning
commission
to
the
governing
body
for
additional
refinement
and,
ultimately
a
vote,
counselor
romero
worth.
Thank
you
mayor.
So,
just
to
reiterate,
the
zoom
meeting
is
being
recorded.
It
will
be
on
the
website
so
that
if
members
of
the
governing
body
or
members
of
the
public
can't
attend
at
whatever
the
time
is
tomorrow,
there's
a
there's
an
ability
to
watch
it
later.
S
Yes,
okay,
just
want
to
be
very
clear
about
that.
This
may
be
too
big
a
question,
but
I'm
I'm
curious.
How
is
it
that
you
calculate
20,
affordable
housing?
As
being
you
said?
That's
that's
really
great
and
kind
of
on
the
high
end.
I
assume
that
part
of
that
calculation
comes
from.
S
S
15
of
residential
development
has
to
be
made
affordable
so
that
15
established
that
165
number
and
then
we
had
made
we
identified
parcels
within
the
development
plan
based
on
the
housing
types
and
the
densities
that
we
were
hearing
from
developers
that
are
most
comfortable
for
them
to
secure
financing
for
housing,
affordability
again,
the
40
acre
40
units
for
ownership
and
60.
C
W
P
P
P
Happens
at
the
master
plan
phase
of
development
and
that's
what
yeah
that's
how
that
was,
but
so
it
does
take.
C
Y
C
The
cost
of
development-
yes,
the
inclusionary
program-
does
absolutely
because
again,
part
of
the
getting
an
inclusionary
requirement
passed
is
what
is
actually
feasible
from
the
development
perspective
and
their
performance.
So.
K
Once
you
begin
increasing
that
their
performance
begins
to
deteriorate
because
they
can't
really
afford
to
operate
it.
Their
acquisition
and
construction
costs
exceed
what
actually
the
sales
price
it
could
be.
So
those
are
fine
pieces
that
becomes
a
swiss
watch
once
you
begin
exceeding
that
15
yeah
and
I
guess
there's
another
question:
can
we
look
at
how
we
maintain.
C
What
are
we
looking
at?
That?
Can
we
look
at
that?
Is
that
part
of
this?
Yes,
so
particularly
on
the
I
mean
again,
the
city
has
control
over
these
properties,
so
they
can
begin
providing
the
guidance
for
developers
and
how
they
what
their
priorities
are.
So
if
we
want
to
see
units
in
perpetuity,
then
we
write
that
into
the
rfp
that
we
want
to
see.
C
Be
in
affordable
information,
so
again,
those
are
controls
that
the
city
can
decide
to
make
it
with
each
rfp
that
they
just
they
issue
on
the
these
parcels
that
are
dedicated
to
100,
affordable
housing,
we'll
be
working
with
the
developers
who
hopefully
have
a
mission
to
maintain
housing,
affordability,
but
we'll
write
those
requirements
into
it
as
well.
Typically,
financing.
F
F
That
development
are
only
10
years,
so
how
do
we
make
sure
that
we
have
again
some
longevity
in
this
affordability
remaining?
That
way,
for
I
don't
know
either
in
perpetuity
or.
X
For
a
I
mean,
I
not
just
10
years
yeah,
I
I
don't
know
the
z
station
financing
structure,
but
I
again
you're
in
control.
It's
not
a
privately
owned
property,
where
you're
negotiating
with
the
private
entity
you're.
Now
in
control
of
how
you
want
to
set
the
standards,
the
issue
will
be
whether
it's
actually
financially
feasible
to
set
additional
standards
when
you're
disposing
of
property,
but
those
will
be
what
you
get
back.
X
X
So
now
I'm
just
confused
a
bit
like
this
is
what
I
want
is
this:
what
you're
going
to
do
well
or
do
I
or
do
we
as
a
governing
body-
need
to
tell
you
that
this
is
what
we
want
to
see,
or
I
mean
we:
don't
we
don't
approve
the
rfps
right.
You
issue
the
rfps,
so
for
me,
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
disconnect
yeah.
X
Well,
that's
a
great
question.
The
reason
you
have
an
economic
development
office
is
to
be
able
to
have
someone
either
on
staff
or
consulting
them
about
what
is
financially
feasible
from
achieving
public
policy
objectives.
So
yeah
you
may
want
to
have
every
project
affordable,
but
if
it
can't
be
financed
right.
I
understand
that.
I
understand
that,
but
you
know
to
the
extent
we
can
build
it
and
and
it
and
we
it
can
be
financed.
X
How
do
we
build
in
some
longevity
into
it
remaining
affordable?
The
issue
around
perfect
in
perpetuity
is
a
little
bit
easier
to
figure
out,
because
whether
it's
10
years
or
50
years,
you're
writing
an
operating
budget
that
shows
your
income
and
whether
you
can
maintain
yourself
in
the
black
versus
getting
into
the
red.
After
year,
10
and
typically
investors.
N
F
F
F
X
But
if
we
adopt
these
two
documents
or
changes,
then,
as
we
put
either
parcels
or
the
whole
campus
could
be
purchased
by
someone
or
parcels
could
be
partialized
out
for
housing
development.
At
that
point,
we
would
be
in
a
position
to
negotiate
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
affordable
housing
units
to
be
built
within
the
zone.
Changed
master
plan.
X
Thank
you.
I
am
going
to
play
with
this
topic
a
little
bit
longer
just
briefly
so
one
one
thing
that
we
we
frequently
talk
about
is
affordable,
housing
without
a
the
definition.
So
when
you
are
defining
affordable
housing
here,
what
what
is
your
definition
of
affordable.
Z
Is
defined
as
a
household,
paying
30
or
less
than
their
overall
household
income
to
housing
costs
that
well,
that
varies
very
much
according
to
our,
I
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
get
at
is
when
we
are
looking
at
the
issue
of
housing
in
the
city,
we
have
what
we
frequently
refer
to
as
deeply
affordable
housing,
but
we
basically
have
these
structures.
We
have
these
tiers
that
we
need
to
be
meeting
and.
Z
When,
when
we
have
the
opportunity
for
this
rfp
to
go
out,
we
can
also
kind
of
dictate.
You
know
this
deeply,
affordable
housing,
then
there's
this
other
housing
that
we
refer
to
as
workforce
housing
and
then
there's
this
other
housing
that
we
tend
to
refer
to
as
middle-income
family
housing
and
and
how
we
dictate
those
structures,
and
will
we
be
able
to
kind
of
really
start
to
target
some
of
these
areas
in
the
market
that
maybe
are
not
what
we
traditionally
think
of
as
a
affordable
housing.
Z
You
know
that
really
kind
of
low
income
housing,
but
also
looking
at
some
of
the
other
holes
in
our
market
that
are
really
contributing
to
the
displacement
that
we
are
seeing
for
many
members
of
our
community.
So
is
that
have
you
seen
that
model
kind
of
working
as
we're
looking
at
the
tiers
in
other
places?
Yes,
and
so
again,
when
you
begin
disposing
of
parcels
over
time,
you
will
be.
You
can
begin
to
specify
levels
of
affordability.
You
want
to
see.
Z
So
often
you
know
in
the
housing
world
they'll
say
affordable
to
whom,
and
so
the
standard
of
that
30
of
household
income
is
nationwide,
and
so
that's
what
everyone
uses
as
a
public
policy
objective
but
then
30
of
whose
income,
so
you
might
be
earning
you
know
20
000
a
year,
that's
much
more.
Your
housing
30
of
that
is
much
different
than
someone
earning
60
000
a
year.
So.
L
Lower
you
get
the
more
subsidy
you
need
and
there's
development
has
fixed
costs,
an
architect's
not
going
to
charge
less
simply
because
an
affordable
housing
project
they're
going
to
charge
their
price
land
is
typically
a
fixed
cost.
But
now
your
control,
you
can
play
with
land
costs,
so
we
want
more
affordability.
That
means
your
land
value
is
going
to
go
down.
That's
a
fixed
cost
in
your
performance.
J
L
Can
you
know
you
can
negotiate
some
costs
with
your
general
contractor,
but
anyway,
there's
very
few
levers
in
targeting
affordability
and
then
the
other
one
that
is
you
could
play
with?
Is
subsidy
an
operating
subsidy?
So
if
I
can
only
pay
ten
dollars
a
month
in
rent,
but
it
costs
twenty
dollars
to
actually
operate
my
unit,
then
I
need
to
find
it
operating
a
housing
voucher
subsidy
to
pay
that
ten
dollars
housing
authority
only
has
a
limited
amount
of
housing
vouchers.
L
So
those
are
all
the
pieces,
the
levers
that
you
play
with
in
defining
and
up
and
getting
to
housing
affordability.
So
you
can
decide
again
later
that
we
want
to
charge.
We
want
to
target
30
of
our
area,
median
income,
households
in
this
project.
Anyone
earning
30
or
lower
is
going
to
require
an
operating
subsidy.
So
the
housing
authorities
have
to
play
a
role
in
that
they're
going
to
have
to
have
vouchers
to
help
bridge
that
gap
in
operating
their
unit.
L
Thank
you
and
that
this
might
be
a
and
we
won't
dive
into
it
too
much.
But
I
also
believe
that
when
we
talk
about
development
costs,
the
cost
of
developers,
our
land
use
process
often
gets
cited
as
part
of
that,
because
of
time
and
having
to
hire
agents
and
frequently
doing
degree
zone.
L
AA
AA
And
the
other
one
being
if
the
city
owns
a
property
is
land
value,
that's
the
other
piece
that
they
can
participate
in
okay
and
then
I
guess
similar
to
council.
Remember
worth
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
at
what
point
we
get
to
try
to
pull
these
levers
and
have
that
process
of
how
it's
coming
back
to
the
governing
body.
For
us
to
say,
hey.
AA
We
really
want
to
push
this
and
try
to
go
to
rfp
for
x
percentage
of
affordable
housing
at
this
rate,
or
you
know
whatever
that's
your
structure
looks
like
so
it
sounds
like
that
might
be
something
that
we
still
need
to
work
out.
What
that
process
looks
like,
but
you
know
prior
to
any
rfp's
going
out.
I
think
that's
going
to
be
important
for
us.
AA
G
AA
And
we'll
talk
on
how
we
can
get
that
input
before
we
issue
an
rfp
so
that
we
hear
from
you
and
what
your
political
policy
objective
would
be,
it
would
go
into
an
rfp
as
a
preference.
AA
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
this
might
be
a
question
for
aaron
moving
back,
I'm
sorry
trying
to
make
sherry,
I'm
trying
to
be
more
formal
and
going
back
to
our
typical
land
use
processes
when,
in
a
normal
situation,
when
we
receive
emails
regarding
a
upcoming
development,
I
frequently
will
afford
it
to
the
city
attorney's
office,
for
them
to
say
governing
body
is
going
to
be
acting
quasi-judicial.
This
is
what
this
means.
This
is
why
you
can't
have
contact
with
them.
We
have
not
been
doing
that
with
midtown.
AA
AA
I
think
we
need
to
run
through
some
scenarios
and
and
come
up
with,
maybe
some
it's
not
going
to
be
the
same
message
we
would
send
to
constituents.
I
think
we
really
do
want
to
encourage
them
to
provide
feedback
to
staff
while
there's
opportunity
for
this
plan
to
be
evolving
right.
We
don't
want
them
to
not
do
that.
AA
AB
Commission,
I
would
say,
isn't
a
distinct
role
from
the
governing
body.
They
are
not
the
applicant
right,
so
they
are
in
a
entirely
quasi-judicial
role.
So
as
it
pertains
to
them,
I
would
want
to
advise
them
the
same
way.
We
typically
do
they're,
not
they're,
not
the
ones
who
pass
the
resolution
about
midtown,
multiple
resolutions
about
midtown
right.
AB
We
have
a
whole
series
of
them,
so
obviously
the
governing
body
has
had
a
role
in
what
this
application
is
going
to
look
like
and
still
can
so
it
won't
look
the
same,
we'll
come
with
up
with
some
different
language,
but
I'd
like
to
talk
through
what
that
looks
like
and
maybe
we'll
have
probably
different
guidance
as
to
who
to
talk
to
about
different
matters.
We
still
want
to
absolutely
encourage
them
to
make
public
comment
in
public
hearings,
so
we
want
to
make
that
part
of
the
record
as
so.
AB
I
guess
that's
as
far
as
I
have
in
the
front
of
my
mind
at
this
point.
Okay,
wonderful!
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that.
I
know
it's
a
bit
of
a
difference,
and
can
I
make
a
comment
about
the
rfp
thing?
This
isn't
going
to
be
a
conclusive
answer,
but
as
it
relates
to
rfps
we're
currently
putting
out,
I
think
those
are
primarily
to
facilities
that
we
already
know
what
their
future
use
is
going
to.
Look
like
based
on
prior
policy
decisions
by
the
governing
body
and.
J
AB
AB
That
kind
of
thing
which
probably
I
guess
we
might
want
a
little
more
guidance
on
from
the
governing
body
before
that
type
of
rfp
would
be
going
out,
which
is
why
it's
not
the
first
three
and
so
this
process
that
we're
engaging
in
now
will
help
to
form
that
type
of
rfp
right.
We
won't
know
what
to
tell
developers
that
they
should
respond
with
at
this
point,
because
there's
no
master
plan.
C
O
O
I
think
there's
a
whole
lot
of
concerns
that
people
are
addressing
have
addressed
through
the
community
engagement
piece
already
about
what
they
think
are
some
of
the
qualities
of
the
development,
and
we
would,
I
think,
as
a
governing
body
do.
C
C
C
Questions
now
before
there
being
a
master
plan
in
front
of
you
for
review
and
then
or
a
zone
change
yeah
exactly
right.
So
I
think
all
of
these
things
will.
F
Questions
for
our
our
team
tonight,
if
not
thank
you,
we
will
be
tuning.
C
F
F
Absolutely
if
you,
if
I
don't
think,
there's
anything
unless
there's
a
there
are
attorneys.
No,
I
don't
care.
We
have
anybody
zooming
in
to
join
us.
I
think
we
can
re
reconfigure
the
agenda,
so
we
go
to
petitions
from
the
floor.
Move
the
executive
session
to
the
end.
We'll
still
have
to
come
back
to
take
action,
but
we
could
do
our
regular
order
after
petitions
from
the
floor.
C
Discussion
council's
passing
comment.
I
there
are
people
here
to
comment
on
legislate
on
some
of
the
final
legislation,
I'm
curious
if
we
should
move
that
piece
up
to
after
petitions
from
the
floor
and
get
all
public
comment
happening
at
the
seven
o'clock
or
all
opportunities
where
there
would
be
public
commenting
on
anything.
Q
Q
Yes
answer
lee
garcia:
yes
from
michael
garcia;
yes,
I'm
sorry
lindell,
yes,
councillor
rivera!
Yes,
councillor
romero
worth
yes,
councilwoman
villarreal!
Yes,
councillor
kassad!
Yes,
mayor
weber,
yes
motion
has
been
approved.
Thank
you!
So,
madam
clerk,
let's
move
to
petitions
from
the
floor,
there
may
be
people
in
the
zoom
as
well
as
in
the
room
if
you
can
bring
people
forward
and
keep
the
time
clock
advising
people
that
the
time
for
a
petition
is
two
minutes.
Please
if
you
do
have
to
counselor
cassettes
with
a
well-made
point.
Q
If
you're
here
to
comment
on
legislation,
that's
coming
up
later.
That's
not
petitions
from
the
floor.
That's
a
separate
item,
but
petitions
for
the
floor
would
be
anything
that
is
not
directly
on
tonight's
agenda
for
public
hearing.
So
if
you
wish
to
speak
now,
please
come
forward
to
the
podium
and
the
city
clerk
will.
A
Time
because
I
am
to
the
public
and
my
taxes
pay
you
guys.
Okay,
first
of
all,.
C
It's
my
constitutional
right,
sir.
Okay,
you
don't
have
to
give
your
name.
You
should
know
that,
especially
you
lawyer,
first
of
all,
I've
been
I've
been
notified
that
over
at
casa
de
bell,
I
want
to
know.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
know
who's
who's
running.
That
district
at
the
address
is
3357
cereals,
road,
okay,
I
need
to
know
who's
whose
district
that
is
okay.
C
First
of
all,
there's
so
much
narcotics
going
on
there.
You
guys
just
talking
about
the
some
apartment
thing,
whatever.
Okay,
if
there's
narcotics
going
on
at
those
apartment,
complex
people
are
calling
narcotics
cops
and
they
ain't
doing
a
dang,
a
dime
about
it.
Nothing,
okay
and
I
want
to
know
whose
district
that
is
okay,
there's
their
elderlies
that
live
there.
C
They've
called
me
to.
Let
me
know,
because
some
of
them
are
scared.
I'm
not
scared.
Okay,
but
they're
they're
scared
to
come
to
you,
the
mayor,
okay
and
the
counselors.
I
mean
the
people
here.
Okay,
you
know
what
the
narcotics
tell
us.
They
tell
us,
oh
we'll,
send
someone
over
there.
They
don't
send
no
one
over
there.
Dude,
okay-
and
you
guys
need
to
do
something
about
this-
about
the
police
department
seriously
and
I'm
a
very
concerned
american,
a
very
concerned
person
that
cares
about
people's
rights
and
they're
violating
their
rights.
C
The
police
are
violating
people's
rights,
okay,
they're,
not
showing
up
when
they're
being
called
there
are
people
getting
killed
there?
Okay,
so
you
guys
are
just
concerned
about
the
money.
What
about
people's
souls?
What
are
all
people
that
are
scared?
You
know
that's
what
you
need
to
worry
about
too.
C
Thank
you
and
I
need
to
know
who,
whose
district
that
is.
Thank
you,
sir.
That
is
my
right
to
know.
Thank
you
who
else
wishes
to
be
heard
under
this
petitions
from
the
floor
time,
if
you're
here?
For
that
please
step
up
now,
do
we
have
people
in
the
zoom
room,
madam
clerk.
AB
C
F
T
I
hope
that
you'll
consider
middle-class
housing
because,
with
housing,
the
inflation
in
the
housing
market
also
middle
class
people
have
nothing.
They
can't
afford
to
buy
anything
and
there's
nothing
within
their
price
range
or
it's
really
horrible
construction.
T
C
Mayor
and
city
councilors,
just
thank
you
for
your
time.
I
would
like
to
have
been
there
in
person.
C
And
most
importantly,
I'd
like
to
thank,
I
believe,
the
council
on
moving
forward
with
the
matters
regarding
addressing
homelessness.
V
Concerns
and
sanctioned
encampments
within
the
city,
but
actually
going
out
to
engage
the
community
before
that
happens,
definitely
appreciate
that
because
it
is
something
that
happens
within
neighborhoods
and
within
the
city
of
santa
pay,
using
our
tax
dollars,
and
I
think
it's
a
good
thing
for
the
public
to
be
aware
of
these
things
and
have
some
input.
V
I'd
also
like
to
thank
first,
it
was
cancer,
garcia,
michael
garcia
and
counselor
rivera
and
mayor
weber,
as
well
as
all
the
other
counselors
who
came
on
to
co-sponsor
the
resolution
regarding
the
veterans.
Banners
project
appreciate
your
efforts
and
moving
forward
with
getting
the
banners
back
up
within
the
city
to
recognize
our
our
veterans,
who
served
this
country
and
did
so
much
for
us
as
citizens.
V
I
would
only
hope
that,
as
we
move
forward
that
we
find
the
mechanism
in
the
vehicle
within
the
city
charter
to
bring
back
the
service
from
the
city,
public
works
department
to
install
the
banners.
I
think
that's
a
big
ask
of
a
non-profit
group
like
like
the
american
legion,
and
I
think
it'd
just
be
a
really
great
sign
by
the
city,
to
show
that
we're
engaging
in
the
community
and
recognizing
some
important
people
in
the
history
of
our
city.
So
I
thank
you
all
for
your
time.
V
There's
no
one
else
in
the
virtual
waiting
room
all
right
and
are
there
other
folks
here
who
are
not
here
to
testify
on
other
sub
issues
later
in
the
agenda,
but
just
want
to
address
petitions
from
the
floor.
Please
please
do
come
forward
now.
V
P
A
few
quick
things
from
me
first
off
is
want
to
make
sure
you
know
that
we
are
getting
ready
to
start
scheduling,
interviews
to
hire
a
full-time,
permanent
finance
director,
and
so
I
think,
we're
gonna
try
to
schedule
those
over
the
next
to
three
weeks,
we'll
probably
bring
a
finalist
or
two
back,
but.
P
To
have
a
permanent
person
in
that
position
to
move
forward,
I'm
really
excited.
F
I
One
example:
we
had
a
really
productive
meeting
last
week
with
public
works
director,
regina
wheeler
folks,
from
hr
folks
and
finance.
So
as
a
friday,
we
posted
the
parking
division
director
position,
in
which
we
know
our
current
parking
division.
Director
is
leaving
the
city
in
august.
So
why
wait
for
that
to
happen?
Let's.
C
I
C
F
C
F
To
try
to
really
get
these
positions
filled
and
really
help
build
out
of
the
staff
here
for
city
government
on
the
flag
for
you,
since
we
left
meth
since
we
last
met.
C
C
Meeting
counselor
michael
garcia
had
asked
that
we
had
a
meeting
with
the
veterans.
Q
We'd
met
with
a
few
weeks
before
council
revetta
also
joined
the
mayor
joined,
and
we
had
a
good
two
and
a
half
hour
meeting
on
friday,
where
we
talked
about
sort
of
what
the
options
are
on
the
table
right
now
for
the
real
sort
of
again
bifurcated
plan.
One
is:
let's
get
the
banners
up
now
for
the
summer,
the
longer
term
secondary
plan
will
be
how
to
come
up
with
a
more
permanent
solution
for
future
years.
C
A
As
sort
of
the
greater
downtown
area
and
the
reason
we're
using
language
like
this
is
in
part,
because
we're
really
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
keep
the
ball
moving
forward,
all
the
options
are
on
the
table
and
that
we
can
keep
pushing
this
ball
forward.
So
some
things
that
we're
looking
at
right
now
are:
we've
asked
the
community,
mr
christie,
who
has
helped
to
lead
the
program
to
if
we
can
get
a
couple
of
the
banners
that
were
being
hung
on
surreal
throat
and
some
of
the
brackets.
A
We
can
test
them
on
the
rail
yard,
see
in
the
light
poles
that
are
there
now
working
with
some
of
the
staff
from
the
historical
district
review
board
to
see
what
are
some
of
the
considerations
we
would
have
to
look
at
for
some
of
the
banners.
Excuse
me
some
of
the
light
poles
that
are
actually
in
the
historic
districts.
There
are
various
historic
districts,
but
trying
to
just
keep
all
the
various
pieces
moving
forward
again
assuming
the
bill
is
introduced.
A
F
This
in
the
right
direction,
so
we're
appreciative
of
that
beyond
that
just
want
to
say
I
want
to
give
a
huge
shout
out
and
thank
you
to.
F
And
our
fire
chief
for
what
was
a
really
successful
fourth
of
july
event,
and
it
was
done
safely,
it
was
done
correctly.
I
know.
C
F
Larger
from
across
the
city,
so
we're
grateful
for
that
with
that
I
would
finally
say
a
happy
belated
birthday
to
counselor
of
yeah
and
a
happy
fourth
to
all
of
you
and
have
a
good
night.
Thank
you.
F
Thank
you.
I
think
that
was
a
land
speed
record
for
talking,
but
we
appreciate
it.
Mr
mayor
and
counselors,
I
am
caffeinated,
and
so
I
apologize
for
that,
but
I'm
trying
to
help
you
get
over
under
for
me
tonight
at
11
30
for
this
meeting.
To
conclude,
so
I
wave
the
rite
of
consecutive
translation.
S
Announcements,
one
is
that
we
got
the
list
of
eligible
candidates
for
the
policy
analyst
position,
we're
setting
up
interviews
for
next
week,
we're
going
to
interview
at
least
six
candidates
of
the
over
20
and
19
eligibles
19
over
20
applicants
so-
and
I
believe,
19
qualified
of
the
applicants
so
and
we
have
a
bunch
of
maybes
that
look
pretty
good
too.
That
are
not
on
the
initial
interview
list.
So
that's
great.
S
We
did
recognize
tenzin
le
toe
from
it
as
our
partner
of
the
quarter,
and
I
wanted
to
share
that
with
the
team.
We
found
his
help
over
the
last
honestly
several
years
to
be
very
extremely
helpful
during
the
the
pandemic,
and
it
was
just
very,
very
sweet
to
see
his
manager
and
his
manager's
manager.
So
manual
and
ej
came
to
our
staff
meeting
to
recognize
tenzin
and
then
all
his
colleagues
really
jumped
in
to
recognize.
V
When
ej
shared
the
recognition
with
their
team,
so
that
was
really
nice
and
we
we've
done
that
a
few
times
we
had,
we
had
missed
a
couple
quarters,
so
it
was
nice
to
restart
that
practice.
C
S
But
I
just
want
to
again
thank
the.
Q
W
C
F
The
community
pool
party
on
june
30th,
we
had
to
reschedule
that
because
of
weather
july,
I'm
sorry
july
30th,
and
then
I
also
just
want
to
announce
that
our
team
is
working
with
the
fire
department,
so
we'll
be
doing
spray
downs
on
july
23rd
and
then
we'll
also
be
doing
one
in
conjunction
with
the
full
pizza
party
on
july
30th.
So
that's
kind
of
my
quick
update
for
you.
Thank
you,
madam
clerk.
Let's
take
up
communications
from
the
governing
body.
I'll
start
councillor,
lee
garcia,
you
have
the
floor.
F
Thank
you
mary.
I
don't
have
anything
tonight
thanks!
Thank
you,
counselor
councillor,
cassidy.
Thank
you
mayor.
Just
a
quick
recognition.
C
Of
the
bicentennial
pool
we
have
been
there,
my
son
took.
C
And
the
staff
is
amazing
and,
and
the
the
I
know
that
swim
lessons
have
really
been
a
big.
F
F
C
C
P
Great,
are
you
shaking
your
notes,
I'm
trying
to
avoid
that
by
play
back
and
forth
in
the
middle
of
the
meeting?
I
think
it's
for
later.
Okay.
Well,
you
can
legitimate
question.
I
think
there
was
yeah.
I
didn't
expect
an
answer
now,
but
if
you
could
email
us
about
how
that's
going
to
happen,
the
attorney
immediately
attempting
to
respond
as
she
tries.
I
know
she
wanted
to,
but
we'll
get
we'll
get
it
off
offline.
P
So
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to,
let
my
colleagues
know
in
the
public
and
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
co-advertise
this
and
put
it
out
to
the
public,
so
you're,
aware
or
the
public
is
aware,
is
there's
gonna,
be
a
peacemaker
ceremony.
It's
a
interactive
demonstration
for
forging
guns
into
garden
tools.
I've
been
helping
to
kind
of
facilitate
this
and
making
sure
that
the
public
knows
about
this
to
see.
F
F
C
C
C
They
recently
beautified
an
alleyway
in
the
casa,
linda
neighborhood,
and
it's
an
alleyway
that
I
actually
use
a
lot
to
get
to
the
arroyo
chamisa
trail
and
it's
one
of
those
alleyways
that
usually
has
lots
of
graffiti,
and
it's
just
amazing
that
the
way
these
young
artists
just
went
and
made
it
this
attractive
piece
of
art.
So
big
shout
out
to
these
young
artists,
and
hopefully
we
can
take
their
skills
and
talents
and
put
them
on
other
walls
throughout
our
city.
C
Thank
you
mayor.
I
wanted
to
thank
our
fire
department,
police
department,
clerk's
office,
ray
sandoval
and
the
kawanis
and
many
other
volunteers
that
were
there
to
help
with
the
4th
of
july,
show
it's
a
big
undertaking
and
glad
everyone
could
come
together
and
help
out
with
that
and
make
it
a
successful
event.
C
C
I
did
find
out
that
they're
using
a
new
sign
up
process,
which
has
only
been
there
for
about
a
week,
but
some
people
were
leaving
there
a
little
angry
because
they
weren't
aware
of
it
so,
but
you
can
sign
up
at
santa
fe,
recreation
and,
and
you
do
have
to
sign
up
for
the
toddler
pool
as
well
as
the
leisure
pool,
so
whatever
it
is
you're
going
to
be
using.
You
have
to
sign
up
for
that.
So
just
so,
the
public
is
aware
of
that.
C
I
wanted
to
congratulate
our
little
league
team
as
well
as
our
softball
teams.
They
seem
to
be
representing
santa
fe
well,
and
I
wish
them
luck
moving
forward.
So,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Counselor.
Did
you
take
any
photos
of
yourself
at
the
pool
that
you
want
to
share
with
us?
C
C
Their
junior
softball
team
were
state
champs
this
year,
their
eight
to
ten
year
old,
softball
team
took
third
place
at
state,
their
majors
boy,
the
majors
boy,
nine
ten
eleven
were
district,
one
champs,
so
we
definitely
had
santa
fe
represented
well
by
santa
fe
little
leagues
and
they
just
had
a
successful
season.
C
I
think
that
the
city
clerk's
office
worked
wonderfully
with
them
too,
so
that
we
had
really
great
city
events
and
utilization
of
the
park
and
it
really
felt
like
community
was
being
brought
together
and
we
got
large
numbers
of
community
members,
utilizing
parks
and
just
seeing
this
really
positive
side
of
santa
fe.
So
I
think
that
partnership
was
very
important.
I
also
want
to
thank
everyone
involved
with
the
fourth
of
july
event,
my
family,
and
I
were
there-
we
enjoyed
it.
C
It
was
wonderful
and
everyone
that
watched
had
a
lot
of
positive
things
or
were
part
of
it
had
a
lot
of
positive
things
to
say
about
it.
So
just
a
lot
of
good
work
and
community
building
taking
place
so
shout
out
to
all
those
that
make
that
happen.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Counselor.
I
know
councillor
lindell
has
had
to
excuse
herself,
so
we'll
get
her
input
later
and
she
will
be
not
here
for
the
rest
of
the
meeting
tonight.
I
have
a
few
items.
C
C
I
also
want
to
build
on
what
councilman
viral
mentioned.
This
upcoming
effort
to
thwart
gun
violence
in
our
community.
She
is
absolutely
right
about
her
hard
work
with
the
presbyterian
church
for
the.
C
Bending
then,
bending
guns
into
plowshares,
coming
up
on
the
24th
of
july
at
the
presbyterian
church,
honoring
those
two
remarkable
individuals
the
day
before,
there's
a
gun,
buyback
program
on
the
23rd
at
9
00
a.m.
At
2005,
st
michael's
drive
the
event
is
being
hosted
by
the
nissan
dealership
there.
C
Some
more
interesting
good
news.
I
think
it's
good
news.
We,
as
of
today,
have
for
the
first
time-
and
I
think,
seven
years,
a
leader
of
the
alcohol
tobacco
and
firearm
bureau,
of
the
federal
level
gentleman
named
stephen
dettelbach.
If
that
name
is
familiar
to
people
in
santa
fe,
it's
because
ken
dettelbach,
who
is
the
vice
chair
of
the
mayor's
veteran
advisory
board,
is
a
family
relative
and
so
congratulations
to
ken
and
to
the
dedelbach
family
and,
frankly,
to
the
whole
country
for
finally
getting
somebody
into
that
position.
C
Congratulations
to
our
friends
at
shine.
Pet
food
sandra
bosman
has
been
honored
in
entrepreneur
magazine
for
her
outstanding
business
that
she
has
been
growing
here
as
a
thriving
venture
in
santa
fe,
with
healthy
pet
food
and
we're
very
proud
of
her
she's,
a
great
resource
to
those
of
us
who
have
puppy
dogs
who
we
want
to
feed
with
healthy
food.
We
go
to
to
sandra's
store,
congratulations
to
click
feigenbaum.
C
C
C
Anyone
who
can
swim
and
get
certified
and
we
actually
pay
to
help
with
the
certification
can
become
a
santa
fe
city
lifeguard.
So
please
sign
up
and
thanks
to
judge
black
for
jumping
in
the
pool
and
helping
us
out,
that's
my
contribution
to
the
cause
and
it
takes
us
to
the
introduction
of
legislation.
C
C
Like
I
don't
know
if
council
romeroworth
would
like
you,
each
have
an
opportunity
if
you
want
to
say
a
few
words
about
it.
Thank
you
mayor
I'll,
be
brief
about
this.
This
is
a
continuation.
C
As
everybody
knows,
we
adopted
new
procedural
rules
for
the
governing
body
at
the
beginning
of
the
year,
and
this
just
continues
that
work,
because
when
we
adopted
the
new
rules
for
the
governing
body,
then
we
needed
to
fix
some
things
in
the
procedural
rules
for
the
for
the
committees,
and
it
was
an
opportunity
to
update
as
well
so
council
council
yesterday.
C
The
only
thing
that
I
would
add
to
that
is
that
these
are
only
pertaining
to
the
three
city
council
committees.
These
changes
do
not
pertain
to
the
resident
committees
or
regardless
of
whether
or
not
there
is
a
council
chair,
so
work
will
continue.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
16b,
madam
clerk.
C
Yes,
this
item
is
consideration
of
a
bill
sponsored
by
council,
romeroworth
and
mayor
weber.
It's
an
ordinance
repealing
section
10-11
of
sfcc
1987,
creating
a
new
section
10-11
to
establish
an
ordinance
relating
to
shopping
carts,
incentivizing
retail
establishments
to
ensure
their
shopping
carts
remain
on
their
property,
imposing
a
fee
for
shopping,
cart,
return
and
establishing
an
effective
date,
and
I
see
counselor
chavez's
name
on
there
too.
C
I
apologize
for
that.
I
totally
missed
that.
Counselor
chavez
is
also
sponsored
councillor
mayor
worth.
If
you
want
to
speak
to
this
yeah
my
time
to
you,
I
well
I'm
happy
to
have
you
comment
on
this
as
well.
In
the
last
10
months,
the
city
has
contracted
with
a
private
company
to
collect
over
three
thousand
carts
across
the
city.
This
is
a
national
problem.
C
C
We
set
the
fee
at
less
than
what
it
would
cost
to
buy
a
new
cart,
but
we
did
set
it
fairly
high
because
again,
I
think
there
are
things
that
retailers
in
the
community
can
do
to
keep
the
carts
on
their
property.
There
are
things
like
geo-fencing.
C
I
had
a
constituent
write
me
about
an
experience
they
had
with
renting
a
cart
and
then
when
they
brought
it
back
to
where
they
rented
it
they
got
the
the
money
returned.
I
think
you
know
it's
kind
of
like
when
you
go
to
the
airport
you
put
in
whatever
you
put
in,
to
pull
a
a
cart
to
carry
your
luggage.
There's
a
way
to
do
that,
so
that
you
can
get
the
cart.
C
You
can
get
your
money
back
once
you're
done
with
the
cart
and
incentivizing
bringing
it
back,
I
think
we
could
do
more
to
have
retailers
have
people
in
their
parking
lots
going
out
to
pick
up
carts.
So
this
is
something
that
has
certainly
started
a
conversation.
C
I
have
been
getting
emails
and
phone
calls,
and
I
look
forward
to
hearing
and
explaining
what
what
it
is
we're
trying
to
do
it.
It
is
a
serious
problem
in
the
city
and
we
need
help
sharing
the
burden
of
collecting
these
carts,
which
make
their
way
all
all
over
the
place
outside
of
the
property
of
where
they
originate.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you
councillor
chavez
as
a
co-sponsor.
Thank
you
mayor
and
the
councilwoman
romeroworth
said
explained
it
so
well.
I
appreciate
the
work
that
went
into
it
and
I
co-sponsored
it
because
of
the
fact
that
I
have
received
so
many
complaints
about
parts,
but
I've
also
received
feedback
from
the
community
saying
that
they
felt
that
a
lot
of
retail
wasn't
I'm
taking
initiative
and
keeping
carts.
C
C
I
really
view
this
as
just
a
way
to
encourage
a
lot
of
these
a
lot
of
the
retail
to
step
up
and
kind
of
create
systems
so
that
those
parts
are
stored
and
in
a
better
way,
because
that's
the
thing
they're
like
there's
carts
everywhere,
but
then
there's
not
cars
when
I
go
shopping
because
they're
just
waiting
to
get
picked
up.
So
I
think
this
is
a
good
start
and
I
think
that's.
C
The
real
thing
is
really
saying:
okay,
create
systems,
create
accountability
so
that
you
are
retaining
your
cards
so
that
you
don't
have
to
pay
the
fine
so
that
and
the
I
received
the
same
email
of
the
coin.
You
trade
a
coin
for
a
cart,
there's
many
systems.
I
think
that
are
being
explored
nationally,
that
could
be
utilized
for
this
and
so
we're
just
giving
that
nudge.
So
they
start
thinking
about
it.
C
C
The
next
item
is
consideration
of
a
bill.
It's
sponsored
by
councilwoman
via
right,
allen,
councillor
rivera,
it's
an
ordinance
amending
sfcc,
1987,
section
23-5.1
to
add
definitions
for
cultural
event
and
small
commercial
event,
and
amending
sfcc
1987
section
23-5.2
to
allow
up
to
eight
small
commercial
permits
for
cultural
events
on
the
plaza,
including
juneteenth
indigenous
peoples
day
and
six
additional
events
selected
by
lottery.
C
C
Currently
cultural
events
held
at
the
plaza
park.
They
continue
to
have
and
have
the
desire
to
be
able
to
incorporate
vendors,
to
enhance
their
event
and
support
the
entrepreneurial
spirit
associated
with
the
cultural
event
and
with
our
current
ordinance
for
the
plaza
park.
Events
ordinance.
It
doesn't
allow
for
that.
C
One
is
juneteenth,
the
other
is
indigenous
people's
day
and
the
remaining
six
permits
for
the
one
day,
cultural
events
are
subject,
subject
to
a
lottery
selection
in
january
of
each
calendar
year
and
to
participate
in
the
lottery
you
have
to
the
permittees
or
the
potential
permitees
must
be
organized
and
have
held
the
same
city
permitted
event
in
the
least
and
at
least
two
of
the
prior
five
years,
and
may
only
submit
one
entry
for
the
lottery
per
year.
So
this
ordinance
also
defines
small
commercial
event
and
cultural
event.
C
C
C
So
this
will
be
going
through
various
a
lot
of
committees
and
so
there'll
be
plenty
of
opportunities
to
weigh
in
including
the
stakeholders
who
I've
already
talked
to
to
be
able
to
make
this
a
viable
option
for
our
cultural
events
for
the
city
council
you're
a
co-sponsor
sir.
Thank
you
I'd
just
like
to
thank
councilwoman
villarreal,
who
was
trying
to
get
this
done
before
juneteenth,
but
was
able
to
put
the
brakes
on
it
and
really
meet
with
stakeholders
and
really
come
up
with
something
that
I
think
is
fair
and
doable
so
great
job.
C
Thank
you,
man.
Thank
you
councillor,
mr
mayor.
I
was
hoping
to
bring
this
bill
back
to
economic
development
advisory
committee,
but
due
to
the
scheduling
and
because
they've
already
seen
a
version
of
this,
they
did
want
to
see
it
again
with
the
substitute
bill.
So
I
would
like
to
propose
an
amendment
to
the
schedule
to
have
this
bill
heard
at
edac
on
august
12,
12
august
10th.
C
It
was
an
even
day
in
august,
so
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
amend
the
the
calendar
the
committee
schedule.
Council
will
be
around
I'll
second
that
and
then
just
for
clarification.
This
is
really
to
suspend
the
rules
to
allow
the
ordinance
to
be
heard
at
edac
out
of
order.
Yes,
we
do
need
to
assist
on
the
role,
so
I
don't
know
if
you
need
to
make
two
different
motions
for
that,
because
one
is
to
amend
the
calendar
and
then
the
second
is
to
suspend
the
rules
of
the
procedures
aaron.
C
C
River
council,
I
think
if
you
put
it
all
in
one
and
then
I
think
you
need
a
super
majority
vote.
Yes
right,
there's
a
motion
and
there's
a
sec.
There's
you
seconded
her
motion,
correct
councilwoman
yep.
If
council
kasich,
can
you
repeat
that
and
is
that,
is
that
allowing
it
to
be
heard
out
of
order?
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
suspend
the
rules,
the
procedural
rules
and
have
this
bill
heard
at
the
economic
development
advisory
committee
on
august
10th
of
2022.
C
Second,
is
there
discussion,
madam
clerk.
C
I'm
sorry
garcia,
yes,
is
her
michael
garcia?
Yes
concern.
Oh
councillor
rivera,
yes,
council
romero
worth
yes,
councilwoman
via
real,
yes,
counselor
cassette,
yes,
counselor
chavez!
Yes,
mayor
weber,
yes
motion
has
been
approved.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
cooperation.
C
Yes,
the
next
item
is
consideration
of
a
resolution.
It
is
sponsored
by
councillor
rivera
council
romero
worth
councilwoman
vial
counselor
cassette,
counselor
chavez.
It's
a
resolution
for
proclaiming
severe
or
extreme
drought.
C
Conditions
exist
in
the
city
of
santa
fe,
imposing
fire
restrictions
august
10th
2022
through
september
10th
of
2022
banning
the
seller,
use
of
fireworks
within
the
city
of
santa
fe,
encouraging
residents
to
prepare
a
personal
wildfire
action
plan
and
encouraging
residents
to
follow
the
fire
department's
fire
readiness
guide
very
good,
thank
you,
and
that
is
sponsored,
I
believe,
by
our
our
well
a
number
of
folks,
but
councillor
vera.
You
usually
leave
the
charge
on
this
one.
Do
you
want
to
speak
to
it?
C
Thank
you
mayor
just
the
same
resolution
that
we
continue
to
do
because
that's
what
state
law
requires,
but
I
did
have
a
lengthy
discussion
with
fire
marshal
geronimo
griego
and
basically
said.
Are
we
do
we
still
really
want
to
do
this?
C
With
all
the
moisture
we've
had,
and
he's
assured
me
that
we're
still
in
a
severe
drought
and
a
couple
days
of
dry
weather,
we
could
be
in
just
as
much
trouble
as
we
have
been
so
agreed
to
continue
to
sponsor
this,
and
thank
you
for
all
the
other
members
of
the
governing
body
who
have
agreed
to
co-sponsor
as
well.
Thank
you
thank
you.
Anybody
else
want
to
speak
to
it.
Who
is
a
co-sponsor
you're
welcome
to,
if
not
thank
you
council
for
checking
and
also
getting
it
reintroduced.
C
Madam
clerk,
that
takes
us
to
the
next
item
to
be
introduced.
Item
e
is
consideration
of
a
resolution
sponsored
by
council
lindell,
mayor
weber,
counselor
lee
garcia,
councilor,
michael
garcia
and
councilor
chavez.
It's
a
resolution
authorizing
the
cell
and
consumption
of
alcohol
during
the
annual
burning
of
zozobra
community
event
produced
by
the
kiwanis
club
of
santa
fe.
C
It's
a
non-profit
organization
at
fort
marcy
during
the
friday
of
labor
day
for
the
years
through
2022-2020
person,
went
to
sfc,
1987,
subsection
23-6.2
and,
while
we're
council
lindell
had
to
step
out
tonight,
but
she
did
raise
with
me
prior
to
the
meeting
a
question
about
not
requiring
this
to
go
to
the
finance
committee,
because
there
is
no
direct
financial
impact
on
the
city
which
would
permit
this
item
to
come
back
to
the
city
council
to
the
governing
body
at
an
earlier
meeting
than
the
august
10th
meeting,
and
I
would
I
would
put
that
out
there
for
discussion
to
see
how
people
feel
about
that
the
goal
as
she
explained
it
to
me.
C
No
am
I
wrong
adam
clark
wherever
I,
I
would
ask
you
to
entertain
a
motion
to
that
extent
for
a
discussion,
okay,
I
would
entertain
a
motion
to
I
guess:
we're
suspending
rules
and
not
sending
something
to
finance
this.
No,
no!
You
don't
need
to
do
that
with
us.
We
just
have
to
not
send
it
to
finance
I'll.
Have
it
I'll
entertain
that
motion
for
someone
who
is
more
prepared
than
I
am
and
artful
at
making
a
motion.
C
C
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
a
couple
weeks
ago,
when
counselor
lee
rivera
myself
had
a
resolution
in
front
of
this
body
that
did
not
have
a
fiscal
impact
got
referred
back
to
finance
so
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
staying
consistent,
and
so
I
understand
the
will
of
the
body
is
to
move
it
out
of
the
finance
agenda,
but
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
precedent
was
taken
previously,
so
just
want
to
put
that
on
the
record.
Thank
you,
sir
other
comments.
C
That's
mr
yes
counselor
I
mean
we
can
move
it
up
and
get
it
hurt
sooner,
but
the
event
isn't
until
september
anyway.
So
I'm
not
sure
what
the
real
reasoning
is
for
taking
it
off
finance.
I
think
it
would
be
ideal
to
have
as
many
people
look
at
it
and
review
it
as
possible
before
going
to
the
governing
body,
so
not
real
sure
the
logic
behind
it,
but
I
just
want
to
make
that
comment
yeah
I
I
am.
I
was
only
asked
by
the
counselor
to
take
this
up.
C
I
think
her
point
of
view
is
that
this
will
entail
some
sort
of
a
to
execute
it
with
a
third
party
to
be
the
provider
will
take
a
contract
to
be
worked
through
and
if
there
is
a
vote
sooner
rather
than
later,
that
piece
of
business
could
be
conducted
earlier
and
with
more
assurance
that
the
measure
is
going
through
just
one
more
thing
there.
C
Since
just
thinking
about
it,
I
don't
know
if
there's
been
any
discussion
with
police
or
fire
about
whether
there
will
be
any
additional
impact
on
them,
since
this
is
going
to
be
directly
in
the
park
or
where
zozobra
is
happening.
So
not
sure,
if
they're
going
to
require
anything
additional
because
of
that,
I'm
seeing
people
on
that
bench
making
faces
or
on
this
bench
too,
but
the
city
attorney
first
raised
her
hand
and
the
city
clerk
had
a
a
thought
mayor.
C
Remember:
mine,
isn't
directly
on
council
rivera's
question,
but
it
was
on
the
earlier
point
of
just
how
we've
treated
bills
previously.
Obviously,
each
event
with
alcohol
may
be
different:
the
prior
authorization
for
alcohol.
We
did
only
went
to
quality
of
life
in
terms
of
referrals,
so
I
think
that
is
one
of
the
concerns
that
council
lindell
had
as
well
was
that
this
one
went
to
more
committees
than
our
last
alcohol
authorization
fair
enough.
C
I
see
you
out
of
my.
I
feel,
like
maybe
we're
gonna
say
the
same
thing.
We
have
the
floor.
All
of
my
accounts
are
classic.
Okay.
Now
I've
forgotten
what
I'm
going
to
say.
C
Okay,
yeah
yeah,
I
mean
okay,
so
well
I'd
like
to
steal
your
thunder,
you
can
propose
to
do
that.
I
guess
I
would
just.
I
think
one
of
the
reasons
why,
for
my
conversation
with
the
folks
who
run
zozobra
about
this
bill,
is
that
the
sooner
we
get
it
in
place,
it
may
help
them
with
a
sponsorship
opportunity,
which
is
super
important
in
terms
of
keeping
the
event
affordable
for
the
community.
C
So
I
think
there
is
some
need
to
get
it
out
there
sooner
rather
than
later,
and
then,
as
for
the
bill
that
was
mentioned
as
having
to
come
to
finance,
I
think
it
was
debatable
whether
that
bill
had
a
financial
impact.
It
was
budget
related
and
I
think,
properly
needed
to
be
heard
by
the
finance
committee.
This
one,
as
has
been
noted,
does
not
have
a
financial
impact,
doesn't
affect
our
budget,
and
so
I
see
these
as
very
distinctly
different
bills,
and
I
will
let
councillor
cassette
proceed
with
her
idea.
C
However,
councillor
that
you
have
before.
Thank
you
so
much,
mr
meyer.
We
could
also,
if
you
want
to
hear
it
at
finance,
suspend
the
rules
and
have
it
heard
at
the
finance
committee
prior
to
quality
of
life.
Have
it
hit
finance
on
monday
july
18th
quality
of
life
on
the
20th
that
still
keeps
us
on
track,
as
well
as
make
sure
that
it
is
heard
by
both
committees.
C
C
My
comment
was
actually
specifically
to
councillor
rivera's
concern
about
police
and
fire.
Well,
I
don't
know
if
for
police
and
fire,
but
I
did
just
want
to
note
that
this
type
of
event
would
actually
have
a
beer
garden
and
then
it
would
have
a
specific
area
where
liquor
or
not
liquor.
Excuse
me,
beer
and
wine
would
be
allowed
and
would
have
to
have
designated
security
or
wristbands
for
someone
consuming
over
21..
C
Just
as
a
I
don't
know,
if
fire
and
pd
have
had
an
opportunity
to
look
at
that,
but
last
year
we
did
have
a
beer
garden
for
this
event,
but
at
the
scottish
rite
temple
more
at
check-in.
This
would
be
consistent
with
that
where
there
would
be
fencing
and
a
perimeter
a
capacity
limit
that
by
fire
we
inspect
it
that
day
with
them.
C
My
office
does
and
then
again,
if
it's
an
over
21,
if
there's
mixed
ages,
over
21
does
have
to
have
a
bracelet
and
then
a
security
does
have
to
be
posted
and
beverages
are
not
allowed
to
leave
that
space.
So
just
for
additional
context
in
case
anybody
for
the
liquor
council
revere.
You
have
the
floor.
Yeah,
just
thank
you
for
that
clark.
Mihalik
has
there
been,
since
this
is
going
to
be
in
fort
marcy
ballpark.
Again
it's
going
to
be
a
fenced
off
area
which
is
going
to
limit
the
amount
of
tickets.
C
C
Over
council,
I
would
just
caution
the
council
to
focus
the
conversation
on
the
referrals,
because
if
we
get
into
the
substance
of
the
resolution,
that's
just
not
what's
on
the
agenda
tonight
I
don't
know.
I
think.
That's
totally
that's
question.
I
think
it's
a
great
conversation.
I
just
don't.
If
this
is
only
introduction
tonight
I
withdraw
my
motion.
Okay,
so
we
have
no
motion
on
the
floor,
so
you
gotta,
withdraw.
C
Did
you
second,
that
motion
yeah?
Will
you
withdraw
the
second
okay,
so
we're
awaiting
a
motion
I'll
make
a
motion
to
suspend
the
rules
and
have
this
bill
heard
at
the
finance
committee
on
monday
july
18th
and
then
the
quality
of
life
committee
on
wednesday
july
20th
and
then
make
it
to
the
governing
body
at
the
end
of
the
month.
So
there's
a
motion
to
alter
the
process
of
moving
it
through
the
committees.
Is
there
a
second
on
that
motion?
C
C
C
Could
you
read
the
next
item?
That's
being
introduced,
please?
Yes!
The
next
item
is
item.
F.
It's
consideration
of
a
resolution.
It's
sponsored
by
councillor
michael
garcia,
councillor,
rivera
mayor,
webber,
councillor
romero,
worth
councillor
travis
and
councilwoman
via
rael.
It's
a
resolution.
Updating
the
terms
of
approval
included
in
resolution
number
20
resolution
numbers.
Excuse
me
2020-24
and
2022-9
to
change
the
permitted
location
of
banners
commemorating
hometown
heroes
from
the
surreal
road
corridor
to
the
rail
yard,
guadalupe
street
and
the
greater
downtown
area.
Thank
you
councillor,
michael
garcia.
You
are
the
lead
sponsor
on
this.
C
Could
you
please
speak
to
it
sure?
As
city
manager
blair
mentioned
earlier,
we
developed
this
resolution
to
with
hopes
to
get
the
banners
up
as
quick
as
possible.
So
there's
been
some
identified
locations
throughout
the
city,
the
rail
yard,
the
greater
downtown
area
where
the
polls
can
facilitate
the
hanging
of
the
veterans
banners.
So
that's
what
this
resolution
accommodates
and
that
way
we
can
get
them
up
to
honor
our
veteran
heroes
in
our
community
and
yeah.
C
Thank
you
to
council
rivera
and
to
mayor
weber
for
participating
in
the
meeting
on
friday,
and
hopefully
we
can
get
this
issue
resolved
and
honor
our
local
veteran
heroes.
Thank
you.
I'm
it's
a
good
list
of
people,
co-sponsoring
council
revere.
You
were
at
that
meeting.
Do
you
want
to
add
your
thoughts?
C
I
just
want
to
let
the
public
know
as
well
as
everyone
here
that
we're
we're
trying
to
follow
two
tracks
here,
so
some
of
it
is
to
keep
it
at
the
original
location
and
the
city
manager
is
doing
some
work
to
see
if
that
can
still
happen.
C
If
that
happens,
and
this
may,
this
resolution
may
be
rescinded,
but
if
not,
we
have
a
backup
plan
to
get
these
up
until
veterans
day
in
november,
which
would
be
a
great
thing,
and
I
just
wanted
to
thank
all
the
other
members
who
have
signed
on
councillor
merrell
worth
councillor
chavez
councilwoman,
villarreal
councillor.
So
thank
you
all
for
the
support
on
this.
I
think
it's
important
to
our
veterans.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
C
C
C
The
motion
to
move
item,
19
c
to
the
front
of
the
agenda
now
and
there's
a
second.
Can
you
call
the
role
for
mending
the
agenda?
Oh
yes,
I'm
sorry,
my
worth!
Yes,.
C
Yes,
you
were
also
the
second
on
that
motion.
Correct,
okay,
I
thought
so.
I
just
wanted
to
double
check.
Counselor
cassette.
Yes,
counselor
chavez.
Yes,
chancellor
lee
garcia,
yes
come
sir
michael
garcia,
yes,
elsa,
rivera,
yeah,
mayor
weber,
yes,
motion
has
been
approved.
Thank
you!
So
could
you
read
us
item
19
c,
please,
which
we
will
then
take
up
yes
item.
19C
is
consideration
of
bill
number
2022-14,
it's
adoption
of
ordnance
of
an
ordinance.
It's
sponsored
by
council,
romeroworth,
councillor
tessa
and
councilwoman
villarreal.
C
Mr
kyle
hibner,
our
city
prosecutor,
is
available
for
this
item.
Thank
you.
Before
we
get
to
mr
hebner.
We
will
hear
from
people
who
are
here
tonight
to
speak
to
this
matter.
I
thought
I
would
first
let
the
sponsors
perhaps
set
the
stage
if
you'd
like
councilwoman
ramirez
worth
counselor
cassette
councilwoman
viral.
You
are
all
listed
as
the
co-sponsors
you
may
want
to
provide
some
context
then
we'll
go
to
mr
hibner,
then
we'll
go
to
the
public.
C
Thank
you
mayor.
So
this
bill
would
eliminate
the
suspension
of
driver's
licenses
based
on
the
failure
of
a
driver
to
pay
penalty
assessments.
C
C
I
want
to
call
out
monica
alt,
who
has
been
helping
us
with
this
bill,
and
it
is
part
of
a
larger
effort
to
encourage
the
state
to
make
a
similar
change,
but
with
this
bill
we,
the
city
of
santa
fe,
would
no
longer
be
doing.
These
drivers
license
suspensions
and
it
is
something
that
was
suspended
during
covid,
and
what
this
bill
will
do
is
continue
the
practice
that
has
been
started
and
and
make
that
permanent
and
I'll,
let
the
other
sponsors
be.
Thank
you
councillor,
cassidy,
councilwoman,
virel.
C
You
know,
following
up
on
some
of
what
we
were
discussing
as
we
were
drafting
this
bill
and
working
with
monica
is
this
concept
of
we
don't
want
our
fines
and
fees
to
be
so
punitive
that
it
really
starts
to
spin
people
into
debt,
and
the
concern
here
is
that,
of
course,
if
somebody
is
unable
to
pay
a
fee
and
then
we
suspend
their
license
and
they
can
no
longer
go
to
work
or
get
their
kids
to
school
or
get
their
kids
to
child
care
that
we
are
actually
doing
a
lot
more
damage
to
their
life,
for
something
that
was
was
as
simple
as
just
not
being
able
to
pay
a
ticket.
C
So
we
really
want
to
make
sure
that
members
of
our
community
can
remain
productive
members
of
our
community
and
still
be
part
of
our
community
and
not
have
these
burdens
really
placed
on
them
unnecessarily.
C
There's
also
been
a
lot
of
data
that,
in
terms
of
actually
collecting
fees,
that,
if
you
take
away
somebody's
ability
to
make
money,
guess
what
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
pay
that
driver's
license,
or
that
excuse
me,
the
parking
ticket
or
whatever
fee
that
they
have
anyhow,
so
their
municipalities
or
other
jurisdictions
that
have
done
away
with
these
licensed
suspensions
have
actually
been
able
to
collect
more
fees
as
well
as
when
we
consider
a
lot
of
the
time
that
it
takes
for
people
trying
to
chase
these
fees
for
individuals
that
simply
do
not
have
the
money.
C
So
from
a
financial
perspective,
there
is
a
benefit,
but
really
looking
at
making
sure
that
we
are
not
creating
these
spirals
of
debt
that
can
have
huge
impacts
on
individuals
and
their
families.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Councilwoman
viral.
Thank
you
mayor,
and
you
know.
This
is
something
that
I
think
that
people
don't
realize,
but,
as
we've
researched
the
this
issue
about
making
fines
and
fees
more
equitable,
this
is
a
movement
happening
across
the
country
we
are.
C
We
are
behind,
in
my
opinion,
about
the
ways
that
we
can
utilize
opportunities
or
techniques
to
make
it
less
burdensome
for
families,
as
it
relates
to
fines
and
fees.
So
I
think
I
want
to
thank
the
fines
and
fees,
justice
center
and
all
their
supporters
for
all
the
work
that
you're
doing-
and
this
is
you
know,
a
national
movement
as
I
said,
and
I
think
that
they're
part
of
that
movement
obviously
and
the
leader
behind
it.
C
C
So
I
think
it's
counter
productive,
it's
a
counter
productive
policy
and
it's
felt
acutely
by
women
in
particular,
who
make
less
money
but
bear
the
brunt
of
court
related
costs.
So
that's
essentially
why
I
support
this
effort
and
there's
more
to
come
and
other
efforts
that
will
be
along
the
lines
of
making
fines
and
fees
more
equitable
for
our
families.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
C
I
think
before
we
see,
if
there
are
questions
for
you
and
testimony
from
the
public,
I
would
entertain
a
motion.
Then.
C
I
heard
a
motion
from
council
member,
although
approves
their
section.
However,
for
the
public
hearing
we
don't
need
a
motion
until
after
the
testimony,
sorry,
but
the
public
might
want
to
address
the
motion,
but
we'll
do
it
in
the
other
order.
There
is
no
motion
on
the
floor
until
we
take
public
testimony.
C
That
being
said,
kyle
do
you
have
anything
you
want
to
add
or
wait
for
questions
mayweather
members
of
the
gripping
buddy.
Just
one
thing
I
would
like
to
add
so
this
this
bill,
think
is
it
changes
what
the
menace
mccoy
is
able
to
do
and
has
the
specifically
says
you?
You
shall
not
send
these
notices
to
mvd
whenever
someone
doesn't
pay
the
penalty
assessment.
So
it's
not
it's
not
the
the
mbd.
That
is
excuse
me,
municipal
court.
That's
suspending
the
license.
C
It's
venus,
of
course
that's
sending
notices
of
the
failure
to
pay,
which
is
then
causing
mvd
to
suspend
the
thank
you.
So
we've
had
the
sponsor,
speak
and
kyle
chipping
in.
Thank
you
for
that
clarification
at
this
time.
If
there
are
people
from
the
public
who'd
like
to
come
forward
and
testify,
please
line
up
and
madam
clerk,
we
we
can
offer
them
a
couple
minutes.
A
piece
is
that
our
standard
operation?
C
Yes,
it
is
mary
if
you'll
give
me
one.
Second,
I'm
just
gonna
get
the
tv
and
screen
set
up.
Okay,
get
the
clock
set
up.
Thank
you.
So
we'll
we'll
ask
you
to
identify
yourself.
If
you
would
like
to
speak
to
this
matter
and
give
each
individual
two
minutes
to
speak,
the
clock
is
up
there.
C
So
please
state
your
name
and
address,
and
you
will
have
two
minutes
to
address
the
issue
in
a
minute.
Sorry,
this
is
actually
scoring
testimony
because
it's
a
public
hearing.
So
if
you
can
also
state
your
name
and
then
I'll
swear
you
in
no
way
my
name
is
monica
okay
and
then,
instead
of
residing
at
you
can
just
say
the
organization
that
you're
representing
I'm
the
state
director
perfect
and.
C
Do
you
solemnly
declare
and
affirm
that
the
testimony
you
have
in
reference
to
this
item
shall
be
the
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth,
and
do
this
under
the
penalties
of
perjury
absolutely
perfect.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much
so
good
evening,
mr
mayor
members
of
the
council
and
staff-
and
I
have
to
say
thank
you
so
much
for
having
us
and
letting
us
speak,
and
thank
you
for
moving
this
forward.
There's
many
of
us
here
today
that
support
fee
reform.
C
We
won't
all
speak
because
we
respect
your
time
and
we
see
the
agenda,
but
I
will
highlight
some
points.
C
C
I
also
want
to
thank
you
for
working
so
collaboratively
for
our
community.
It's
wonderful
to
see
that
in
in
this
day
and
age,
there's
a
couple
reasons
why
ending
debt-based
driver's
license
suspensions
is
so
important
to
our
families
license
suspension.
Should
be
used
to
get
dangerous
drivers
off
of
the
road,
however,
it's
primarily
used
to
punish
people
for
miscourt
appointments
or
missing
a
payment.
C
C
C
C
So
ending
this
practice
will
restore
community
in
many
ways,
but
I'll
only
highlight
too.
First
it
will
improve
santa
fe's
businesses
and
workforce
people
need
to
drive
to
work
and
employers
need
workers
that
can
drive
when
people
lose
their
license
over
40
percent
also
lose
their
job
or
they
take
a
significant
pay
cut.
There
was
a
study
done
by
asu
the
account
that
restoring
just
7000
licenses
would
increase
the
gdp
by
149.6
million
dollars
if
you'd
like
to
give.
C
C
C
Okay,
perfect
solemnly
declare
and
affirm
that
the
testimony
I
have
in
reference
to
this
item
shall
be
the
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth
and
do
this
under
the
penalties
of
perjury.
C
C
C
So
I
see
this
ordinance
as
the
perfect
opportunity
to
do
that
to
help
get
folks
back
on
the
road
back
to
their
jobs
and
back
to
taking
care
of
their
families
and
themselves.
So
a
few
of
the
folks
that
you're
going
to
hear
from
next
are
my
colleagues
on
the
new
mexico
advisory
board
on
fines
and
fees.
The
advisory
board
is
a
group
of
behavioral
health
and
criminal
justice
reform
professionals
that
have
been
directly
impacted
by
the
criminal
legal
system.
C
C
C
I
am
here
to
urge
you
to
support
the
proposed
ordinance
that
would
effectively
eliminate
debt
based
driver's
license
suspensions
in
santa
fe.
I
personally
have
experienced
a
loss
of
mobility
when
my
license
was
suspended
after
receiving
a
minor
traffic
ticket,
because
my
case
was
traffic
related
I
did
have.
I
did
not
have
representation.
C
As
a
result,
I
agreed
to
payments.
I
knew
I
could
not
afford
for
a
fear
of
being
put
in
jail
as
a
mother
of
three
very
young
children
and
a
caretaker
to
my
father
at
the
time
I
needed
to
be
able
to
drive,
and
I
needed
every
dollar
to
go
toward
taking
care
of
my
family
through
sacrifice.
I
eventually
climbed
out
of
this
financial
hole,
but
I
and
my
family
suffered
this
ordinance
will
help
ensure
that
santa
fe
residents
are
no
longer
put
in
the
impossible
situation.
C
I
was
put
in
years
ago
I
look
on
with
pride
as
santa
fe
continuously
acts
as
a
model
for
progressive
policy
making
in
our
state.
Today
we
have
the
opportunity
to
continue
that
legacy
polling
by
change.
Research
in
2021
indicates
that
a
majority
of
new
mexicans
oppose
the
spending
driver's
license
for
those
who
do
not
have
an
immediate
ability
to
pay
penalty
assessments
or
fines
and
fees.
I
am
one
of
those
new
mexicans,
as
are
the
friends,
colleagues
and
community
members
behind
me.
C
C
C
C
My
client
clients
need
to
be
able
to
drive
to
get
to
work
interviews,
doctors,
appointments
grocery
stores
and
to
access
almost
all
of
their
basic
needs.
Debt-Based
suspensions
force
an
impossible
choice
of
new
mexico
residents,
stop
driving
and
lose
access
to
work
and
basic
necessity,
or
keep
driving
and
risk
more
unaffordable,
fines
and
fees.
C
C
The
proposed
ordinance
would
end
the
practice
of
notifying
the
mpd
when
drivers
fail
to
pay
a
traffic
assessment
or
related
fee.
This
means
inability
to
pay
fees
or
fines
for
minor
traffic
infractions
would
no
longer
lead
to
license
suspension.
This
practice
is
simple:
to
implement
and
frees
up
mvd
staff
to
focus
on
dangerous
drivers.
It's
a
smart
policy
that
will
have
a
meaningful
effect
on
the
lives
of
santa
fans,
and
I
urge
the
council
to
support
this
ordinance
very
good.
Thank
you.
C
Hi,
my
name
is
sabai
jaadi,
I'm
a
community
engagement
specialist
at
the
american
civil
liberties
union
of
new
mexico,
and
I'm
here
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
american
civil
liberties
union
of
new
mexico,
in
support
of
this
ordinance
to
end
debt-based
driver's
license
suspension.
C
Before
I
start,
I
really
want
to
thank
all
my
fellow
advocates
for
showing
up
tonight.
We
really
filled
up
this
room.
It's
awesome,
folks
from
ben
the
arch
are
here
as
well
alliance
of
these
justice
center,
of
course,
and
aclu
of
new
mexico.
I'm
running
out
of
time.
C
Your
income
bracket
should
never
determine
if
you
are
able
to
drive
in
the
state.
Yet
new
mexico
still
punishes
people
who
cannot
afford
to
pay
fines
and
fees
by
suspending
their
driver's
licenses
for
those
with
high
incomes,
court.
Fines
and
fees
may
be
a
minor
annoyance.
Two
hundred
dollars
there,
two
hundred
fifty
dollars
there
not
a
big
deal.
If
you
have
a
very
high
income,
if
you
have
a
low
income,
these
fines
and
fees
can
quickly
send
you
into
a
spiral
of
debt
and
interaction
with
the
court
system.
C
C
The
us
comprises
five
percent
of
the
world's
population,
but
holds
25
percent
of
the
world's
prison
population.
How
does
that
make
any
kind
of
sense?
Not
only
is
our
incarceration
problem
massive,
it
is
deeply
discriminatory
and,
frankly,
racist,
a
pew
charitable
trust
study
found
that
among
men.
Oh
sorry,
a
few
parable
trust
study
found
that
in
2017,
black
people
represented
12
percent
of
the
us
adult
population,
but
33
of
those
sentenced
in
prisons,
while
hispanics
represented
16
of
the
adult
population
but
23
of
inmates.
C
C
C
C
C
R
F
C
If
not,
I
will
now
entertain
a
motion
in
a
second
move
to
approve.
Second,
we
have
a
motion.
F
F
All
right
item:
19
a
is
consideration
of
bill
number
2022-12.
It's
adoption
of
an
ordinance
sponsored
by
mayor
weber,
council
romero
worth
councillor
garcia
councillor.
A
F
A
A
C
Sorry
mayor,
so
this
bill
is
in
response
to
constituent
complaints
concerned
about.
C
Neighborhoods
and
specifically
addresses
junk
vehicles
and
how
we
define
them
and
how
many,
under
and
under
what
conditions
they're
allowed
and
how
to
properly
store
and
or
screen
them,
and
it
imposes
penalties
and
it's
in
again
response
to
constituent
complaints.
C
The
memo
we
have
says
constituent
services
alone
received
183,
unsightly
yard
or
nuisance,
blighted
property
complaints
through
our
constituent
request
manager
in
one
12-month
period
starting
april
2020
ending
april
2021
and
again
many
of
these
complaints
are
related
to
junk
vehicles,
unruly
parking,
debris,
litter
and
other
kinds
of
blight
that
cause
eyesores
for
neighbors
and
depreciate
housing
values,
and
I
know
we
have
other
sponsors
so
I'll
stop
there.
Thank
you.
I
think
it.
It
is
a.
It
was
a
group
effort,
so
I
want
to
get
everybody
a
chance
to
speak
to
it.
Counselor,
michael
garcia.
C
You
were
very
instrumental
in
the
development
of
this
measure.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
thank
you
councillor
romero
worth.
I
think
she
covered
it.
Well,
just
many
thanks
to
the
team
that
worked
on
this
and
to
my
fellow
colleagues.
C
Thank
you,
counselor
counselor
chavez
you
as
well.
No,
I
would
I
would
before
you
go
to
the
public.
I
would
just
make
one
other
process
comment,
which
I
think
is
worth
noting,
which
was
it
this.
This
measure
was,
as
counselor
mayor
worth
accurately
described,
really
triggered
by
the
number
of
complaints
we
were
getting
not
from
one
part
of
the
city
but
from
across
the
city.
C
C
So
it
was
based
very
much
on
actual
observed
evidence
and
problems
and
then
tailored
to
try
to
speak
to
that
those
specific
kinds
of
problems,
not
a
broad
paintbrush,
but
very,
very
targeted
and
very
specific
without
going
after
people
who
have
a
particular
fondness
for
historic
vehicles
or
a
collectible
vehicle,
totally
different
category.
We're
talking
about
cars
and
vehicles
that
have
been
really
left
to
rot
in
their
yard
and
it
really
clutters
up
neighborhoods
all
over
the
city,
so
it
it
was
tailored.
It
was
specific,
it
was
data
based.
It
was
observation
based.
C
So
with
that,
as
a
broad
description,
I
would
entertain
testimony,
including
from
the
zoom
room
from
anyone
in
the
public
who
wishes
to
speak
to
this.
This
ordinance
is
there
anybody
here
in
the
room,
madam
clerk,
is
there
a
hand
up
in
the
zoom
room
mayor
weber?
There
is
a
hand
up
in
the
zoom
room.
I
also
just
want
to
note
that
pat
figalli
is
the
attorney
on
this
item
and
she
is
available
as
well
right.
C
She,
our
our
city,
attorney's
designated
lawyer
on
this
matter,
is
available
for
questions
thanks
for
being
here.
Pat,
yes,
so
miss
beninoto
is
jeffy.
Are
you
there
hey
there
you
are.
Can
you
hear
me?
C
Yes,
also,
okay,
stephanie,
will
you
just
state
your
name,
note
your
location
and
then
I
can
quickly
swear
you
in
on
this
item.
Sure
stephanie
benonado,
po
box,
1601,
santa
fe,
new
mexico.
C
C
C
I
didn't
really
see
too
much
of
red
had
changed.
I
I
did
see
that
you
could
no
longer
screen
junk
to
cars
and
I
did
notice
there
was
this
distinction
between
you
know
collector
cars
and
others,
but
I
do
wonder
I
I
would
like
to
hear
as
a
member
of
the
public
how
this
really
will
address
the
widespread
concerns.
Thank
you.
C
Second,
we
have
a
motion
to
approve
from
councillor
merworth
in
a
second
from
councillor,
michael
garcia,
councillor,
cassid
your
hand
is
up.
You
have
the
floor.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
do
have
a
new
amendment.
I
apologize
that
I
did
not
catch
this
prior
to
committees.
So
this
amendment,
one
of
the
things
that
I
was
concerned
about,
is
on
page
seven
line.
C
22
there's
discussion
about
not
allowing
parking
any
vehicle
in
the
front
yard
setback,
including
a
driveway
or
drive
aisle
within
three
feet,
from
the
property
line
in
parentheses,
street
line
or
blocking
or
obstructing
partially
or
pulley,
any
sidewalk,
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
My
concern
is
that
in
some
parts
of
our
city
that
are
older,
people
might
be
within
their
driveway,
but
still
not
three
feet
from
the
property
line,
so
we
don't
always
have
sidewalks.
C
We
don't
always
have
three
foot
sidewalks,
and
so
I
did
not
want
individuals
who
were
parked
within
their
driveway
to
be
to
be
penalized
for
the
fact
that
we
have
a
very
old
city
that
didn't
always
consider
things
like
at
least
three
foot
sidewalks.
So
a
couple
changes
one.
This
would
just
strike
including
a
driveway
or
drive
aisle
so
that,
if
somebody's
in
a
front
yard
setback,
they
do
have
to
be
three
feet.
C
Unless
they
are
in
their
driveway
or
drive
aisle,
then
they
just
simply
need
to
be
within
their
driveway
and
still
not
blocking
any
public
right-of-way.
There
was
also
a
change
that
was
recommended
from
land
use
and
we
were
having
the
discussion
today.
I
do
not
see
director
clue
here
anymore,
but
perhaps
attorney
figale
or
attorney
mcsherry
might
be
able
to
speak
to
this
to
strike
street
line,
as
that
is
not
yeah.
C
It's
not
defined
and
it's
not
clearly
delineated
for
land
use,
and
so
they
said
that
property
line
is
that
is
that
is
the
measure
by
which
they
would
go
off,
but
street
line
can
vary
and
then,
instead
of
easement
we're
striking
easement
and
in
lu
there
are
putting
right-of-way
and
again.
That
is
something
that
is
more
clearly
defined
within
the
code,
and
that
is
all
thank
you.
C
I'd
like
to
move
that
to
the
amendment.
Second,
we
have
a
motion
and
we
have
a
second,
madam
city
attorney.
Are
you?
Are
we
all?
I'm
not
sure
we
have
some
of
these
things
written
down
mayor
wherever
counselors?
I
think
jesse
did
send
out
an
email
this
afternoon
to
alert
folks
that
we
had
loaded
it
soon
after
meeting
with
the
counselor
on
this
topic?
Okay,
so
it
is
included
in
the
package
that
are
or
it
should
be.
C
I
haven't
pulled
it
up
myself,
but
I
believe
that
that's
the
case,
you
can't
see
it
refresh
and
it'll
show
up.
Okay,
great,
thank
you.
We
should
have
a
written
version
available,
and
so
I
understand
that
we
have
a
main
motion
and
a
and
an
amendment
we
have
an
amendment
moved
right
now
by
council,
casted
and
seconded
by
councilwoman
biaria.
I
also
just
want
to
know
that
oh
attorney
figalee
did
have
her
hand
up,
and
I
don't
know
if
she
wanted
to
comment
on
this
or
not.
C
C
Council
members,
I
was
just
going
to
say
that,
yes,
it
was
added
online
to
prime
god,
so
that
amendment
and
the
redline
version
both
are
on
there.
That
amendment
is
also
in
the
red
line
version.
That's
online.
Thank
you.
Is
there
a
discussion
of
this
amendment?
C
Yes,
yes,
yes
for
michael
garcia!
Yes,
I'm
sorry
lindell
she's,
not
here
sorry
about
front
councillor.
Rivera!
Yes
comes
from
our
work,
yes,
councilwoman
right
now!
Yes,
mayor
webber,
yes,
motion
has
been
approved
for
the
amendment
for
the
amendment,
so
we
now
have
a
main
motion
as
amended
other
amendments
to
consider
councilwoman
v.
Ariel.
C
Thank
you,
mayor.
I'm
going
by
the
red
line
here,
go
back
up.
Where
is
it
hold
on?
Okay,
so
point
of
order
yeah,
I
don't
think
we
have
to
do
these
amendments
anymore
because
they
attached
a
committee.
C
There
were
counselors,
that's
correct,
they're
already
in
the
main
bill,
that's
correct,
okay!
So
so,
okay,
that's
your
your
amendment
that
was
adopted
at
the
quality
of
life.
My
amendment
that
was
adopted
at
public
works
those
attached
to
the
bill
at
those
points
and
the
amendment
that
councilor
cassit
made
was
not
brought
up
in
committee,
but
was
just
adopted
now
and
was
the
rea
and
the
reason
why
it
was
brought
here
is
because
it
wasn't
considered
at
the
committee
level.
C
Okay,
so
we
have
the
your
amendments
have
already
been
tucked
into
the
bill.
Great.
Thank
you.
Thanks
for
the
clarification
other
discussion
of
the
main
motion,
as
amended
counselor,
michael
garcia,
thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
I
guess
my
comment
is
on
the
comment
of
the
amendment
that
has
been
adopted
by
the
quality
of
life
committee.
C
I
would
I
would
have
asked
of
madam
city
clerk.
If
we
can
do
some
type
of
awareness
campaign
around
this
new
change
should
be
adopted
tonight,
because
I
would
want
to
make
sure
the
public
is
well
aware
that
there's
going
to
be
30
days
and
then
we
will
begin
to
enforce
it,
and
so,
if
we
can
just
kind
of
give
a
quick
social
media
blast.
C
However,
else
we
can
do
some
type
of
public
awareness
that
there
are
there's
this
new
law,
that's
going
to
be
in
effect
and
that's
the
the
more
awareness
we
can
bring
about
it,
the
better.
So
that's
all
my
comments.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
Thank
you
other
other
discussion
about
the
main
motion
as
amended.
C
Yes,
councilwoman
via
rail,
yes,
councillor,
casa,
yes,
mayor
weber,
yes,
motion
has
been
approved.
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
catching
the
fact
that
it
was
already
done
in
committee.
That's
a
a
change
we've
recently
made
and
I
think
it
streamlines
things.
Thank
you,
madam
clerk.
Next
item.
Please
all
right!
The
next
item
is
19b.
C
Thank
you,
councilwoman
veral,
your
your
main
sponsor.
Do
you
want
to
speak
to
this?
Thank
you
mayor.
I
think
the
caption
says
it
all.
It
was
really
just
a
procedural
thing.
We
have
to
do
in
this
case
designating
areas.
Well,
I
think
the
one
in
particular
that
I
think
is
important
is
that
this
buffer
requirements
was
inconsistent
with
the
state
requirements
for
designated
drinking
areas,
and
now
this
puts
it
in
a
line
mint
with
that.
C
It
also
something
that
we
added
later
on
was
to
require
the
use
of
recyclable
and
compostable
beverage
containers
for
these
events
on
city
property
and
then,
lastly,
the
permitting
the
tasting
of
mixed
beverage
containing
mixed
beverages,
so
that
have
a
con,
a
portion
of
liquor
in
that,
so
we've
never
had
that
in
place.
So
I
think
this
is
clarifies
that
thank
you,
council
cassette.
C
I
don't
believe
there
is
anything
additional
to
add,
as
councilwoman
vitorial
mentioned,
this
pretty
well
captured
in
the
in
caption
glad
that
we
are
doing
things
more
sustainably,
even
as
we
have
celebrations.
Thank
you.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
zoom
room
or
wishes
to
speak
to
this
item?
It's
time
for
public
comment.
C
Wait
a
minute
a
point
of
order:
there's
no
amen,
there's
no
amendment,
so
there
is
no,
but
they're
already
adopted.
So
when
it
arrives
here,
it's
as
it's
a
written
bill,
it's
done
as
amended
yeah,
but
it
has
been
amended.
The
motion
is
just
as
the
bill
is
this.
This
is
this
is
great
we're
living
our
new
rules,
yeah,
we're
learning
we're
learning
about
we're,
driving
and
learning.
At
the
same
time,
I
like
it
right
so
move
to
approve
period
seconds
and
there's
a
second.
C
C
C
You
are
correct
mayor.
We
are
on
to
item
21a
its
appointments.
C
We
are
seeking
appointment
for
the
women's
commission.
There
are
wendy
pomeroy
as
an
appointment
with
the
term
expiring
in
november
of
2022.
sheila
vaughan
with
an
appointment
term
ending
in
november
of
2022
gloria
martinez.
C
C
Madam
clerk,
can
you
call
the
roll
yes
for
michael
garcia?
C
Yes,
item
b
is
for
the
planning
commission
and
it
is
a
reappointment
of
peter
smith,
with
a
term
expiring
in
july
of
2024.
move
to
approve.
Second,
there's
a
motion
and
the
second
as
their
discussion.
C
C
Yes,
councillor
rivera,
yes,
councillor,
merriwear
councilwoman
via
real.
Yes,
I'm
sorry
cassette.
Yes,
I'm
searching
yes,
counselor
lee
garcia,
yes,
mayor,
webber,
yes,
motion
has
been
approved.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
all,
and
now
we
re
we
cycle
back
to
the
city
attorney
for
our
executive
session.
I
believe.
C
Mayor
webber,
yes,
I
do
recommend
that
we
go
into
executive
session.
I'm
pulling
up
my
caption.
C
Yes,
in
accordance
with
the
opens
being
act,
I
do
recommend
we
go
into
executive
session
to
discuss
both
well
attorney-client
privilege,
discussion
regarding
threatened
pending
litigation,
in
particular
a
potential
foreclosure
and
two
amicus
briefs
the
opportunity
to
join
them,
opportunity
to
join
meryl
v
milligan
with
other
local
governments,
which
is
a
case
pending
in
front
of
the
u.s
supreme
court,
encouraging
the
court
to
retain
its
existing
section,
2
voting
rights
act,
standards
regarding
consideration,
considering
race
and
drawing
electoral
districts
and,
in
the
case,
303
creative
illness.
C
C
Could
you
call
the
rule
please?
Madam
clerk.
C
Yes,
councillor
rivera,
yes,
councillor,
mayor
councilwoman,
barry,
yes,
yes,
councillor
chavez;
yes,
councillor,
lee
garcia,
yes,
councilor,
michael
garcia,
yes,
mayor,
webber,
yes,
motion
has
been
approved
and
I
remind
everybody.
We
have
to
come
back
afterwards
to
take
appropriate
action
to
resume,
but
this
will
suspend
for
the
executive
session
thanks.
Everybody.
C
All
right,
we
are
back
from
our
executive
session
council
revere.
Do
you
want
to
make
a
motion
sure
I
move
that
the
governing
body
reconvene
an
open
session
and
state
for
the
record
that
the
matters
discussed
in
the
closed
session
were
limited
to
those
specified
in
the
motion
for
closure?
Second,
there's
a
motion
there's
a
second
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
opposed
motion
carries
madam
clerk.
Can
you
take
us
to
the
next
item
on
the
agenda?
Please.
C
Yeah
all
right
item:
13
a
is
approval
to
join
other
yeah
approval
to
join
other
local
governments
in
an
amicus
brief
in
support
of
the
plaintiffs
and
mayoral
versus
milligan,
a
voting
rights
act
face
pending
before
the
u.s
supreme
court,
encouraging
the
court
to
retain
its
existing
section,
two
standards
regarding
regarding
it,
considering
race
and
drawing
real
districts;
okay,
so
that
is
a
decision
for
the
governing
body.
Is
there
a
motion
on
approval
to
join
these
other
local
governments?