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A
B
B
C
You
chair
Rios
here
member
Aguilar,
Medrano.
D
E
B
B
G
B
H
Thank
you.
Madam
chair
I
have
one
page
on
page
27,
the
paragraph
that
reads
remember
Beach
had
confirmed
it
is:
please
delete
the
word
not
remember
which
I
confirmed
it
is
20
feet
back
to
the
property
line.
B
Is
that
all
you
have
anyone
else
motion
to
approve,
as
amended.
B
I
B
A
B
B
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
our
next
hearing,
which
is
on
October
11th.
This
is
the
time
of
year
where
we
generally
get
kicked
out
of
council
chambers,
so
we
will
be
having
our
hearing
at
the
convention
center
200,
East,
Marcy
Street
in
the
Lamy
room.
So
just
make
a
note
of
that
change,
and
that
hearing
is
on
the
calendar
and
mostly
of
reserved
for
administrative
matters.
We
will
still
hear
some
cases
during
that
hearing.
B
B
The
applicant
is
here
and
I
do
want
to
tell
you
that
if
you
disagree
with
the
decision
that
this
board
makes
this
evening,
you
do
have
the
option
to
to
appeal
to
the
city
council,
and
you
have
up
to
15
days
after
the
findings
and
conclusions
have
been
adopted
and
approved,
and
staff
will
help
you
with
that
appeals
process.
And
hopefully
you
won't
have
to
do
that,
but
we
shall
see.
So
may
we
hear
the
first
case
this
evening.
F
F
The
465
camarillas
IMS
is
located
in
the
downtown
and
East
Side
historic
district.
It
is
located
to
the
east
of
Old
Santa
Fe
Trail,
actually
Camino
de
los
animos
used
to
be
the
extension
of
Camino
atalaya
and
now
has
since
been
renamed.
Camino
De,
Las
Animas.
The
site
is
located
on
the
north
side
of
the
street
465
and
then
yes,
you
can
see
my
first
465
is
located
at
the
front.
You
can
see
by
the
the
map
in
the
inside
here
that
this
used
to
be
one
property.
F
F
My
apologies,
so
the
first
property
owner
was
the
Johnson
family
and
the
Johnsons
made
the
original
modifications
to
the
the
guest
house,
which
was
designed
by
John
Garmin.
This
South
elevation
is
the
elevation
that
has
now
the
bay
windows
which
you
can
see
on
the
right
side
of
the
photograph.
F
Also
there
is
a
garage
Edition
which
will
have
some
doors
and
windows
replaced
as
well,
and
you
have
an
insight
there
with
a
close
close-up
of
the
garage
door
which
is
being
proposed
this
evening.
This
is
an
illustration
of
a
design
done
in
1950
illustrating
the
addition
of
the
two
bay
windows
that
are
so
prominent
now
in
the
front
or
South
elevation
and
then
to
the
left.
You
can
see,
there's
a
Breezeway
and
the
Casita
garage,
which
was
not
changed
at
that
time.
L
F
Here's
an
example
of
the
or
a
photograph
of
the
South
elevation
with
one
of
the
bay
windows
and
then
the
main
entry
door.
The
entry
door
has
regained
or
has
its
own
historic
Merit,
and
that
is
historic,
but
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
go
to
the
more
the
door
that
was
designed
by
John
gamim
in
character,
so
it
is
up
to
the
board.
Certainly
in
the
review
of
that
staff
recommends
approval
for
replacement
of
the
door.
F
F
At
this
point,
so
the
applicant
has
endeavored
to
have
a
material
that
meets
code
as
well
as
the
intent
of
retaining
the
character
of
the
greenhouse.
Also
on
that
elevation,
the
window
that
has
or
the
doors
that
have
been
have
Windows
or
lights
painted
in
will
be
replaced
and
kind,
but
with
glass,
and
then
there
also
is
a
door
that
is
where
there
are
several
doors
in
the
potting
shed
that
is
attached
to
the
greenhouse
that
will
be
repaired
and
replaced.
F
Here
is
an
illustration
of
the
types
of
doors
that
are
being
proposed
so
for
the
main
entry
door.
The
Proposal
is
to
go
back
to
the
meme
design
and
you
can
see
there's
a
three
light
glass
door
with
those
insets
that
we
saw
in
the
field
this
this
afternoon,
which
actually
they're
not
incepts.
But
the
the
door
panel
is
inside
and
there
are
wood
pieces
that
are
added
to
the
door
frame
itself.
F
And
finally,
with
reference
to
the
yard
wall,
the
applicant
was
kind
enough
to
go
ahead
and
illustrate
the
yard
wall
Heights,
using
that
yellow
ribbon
the
construction
ribbon
there
and
it
provides
context
and
understanding.
So,
while
the
yard
wall,
non-historic
yard
wall
is
taller
than
what
is
being
proposed,
the
material
is
changing.
The
wrought
iron
was
added
in
1995
and
was
approved
by
this
board
at
that
time,
and
so
it
is
a
non-historic
material
and
the
applicants
would
like
to
raise
the
wall
using
masonry
with
stucco.
F
Finish
also,
to
note
is
that
the
entrance
that
is
located
farthest
east
on
that
on
that
elevation
will
be
infilled,
so
the
main
vehicular
entrance
will
be
on
the
west
side
of
the
cross
across
my
presentation.
I
F
I'd
have
to
confirm
that
with
the
applicant,
but
it
certainly
was
there
when
the
wrought
iron
was
added
in
the
mid
90s,
because
it's
reflected
so
we
do
know
that
date
for
certain
yeah.
But
the
applicant
probably
can
answer
that
question
also
just
so.
You
know
the
overall
permitted
height
for
yard
walls
and
that
streetscape
is
5
feet,
7,
inches,
okay,
perfect,
the.
B
Has
yes
it
does
your
design
does
not
have
any
other
questions,
they
are
asking
for
door,
Replacements,
there's
one
on
the
greenhouse
and
what
is
the
total
on
the
main
house.
B
Can
ask
the
applicant
yeah
and
also
on
today's
field
trip.
We
did
notice
that
the
front
door
had
some
etchings
and
on
the
glass
that
is
I,
don't
think
it's
very
visible
here.
I
just
wanted
to
let
the
board
members
know
the
ones
that
did
not
attend
the
field
trip
that
it
does
have
some
matchings
on
there
and.
F
Yes,
most
certainly
the
streetscape
and
let
me
go
back
down
to
the
yard
wall.
Perhaps
so,
the
street
is
predominantly
characterized
with
tall
yard
walls
coming
up
from
Old
Santa
Fe
Trail
to
this
property.
This
property
is
actually
one
of
the
few
that
has
a
low
wall
like
this.
I
Had
one
other
question,
is
there
a
primary
facade
designated
for
the
Casita.
G
B
Thank
you,
heather.
Will
the
applicant
please
come
forward
and
cancel.
C
G
M
Couple
of
minor
Corrections,
the
total
number
of
doors
that
we
are
suggesting
to
replace
is
not.
Eight
is
five
earlier
there
was
a
photograph
that
showed
a
three-door
configuration
under
a
portal
at
the
Billiards
room,
as
it's
called.
We
are
not
proposing
to
change
anything.
N
M
The
only
door
that
was
in
that
same
photograph
I
believe
was
the
the
one
that
is
on
a
45
degree,
angled
wall
in
that
same
photograph,
going
back
to
board
member
Aguilar's
question
about
the
status
of
the
wall.
I
believe
that
was
your
question.
M
There
is
no
definitive
date
on
that.
I
have
looked
at
the
old
photographs
when
Vera
and
Raymond
Johnson
were
sitting
in
front
of
the
house
as
it
was
under
construction.
We
saw
some
of
those
photographs
earlier.
Vera
had
her
cat
next
to
her,
and
you
can
see
the
stone
wall
in
the
back.
So
I
was
curious
about
whether
that
might
actually
be
the
original
wall.
M
I
did
a
little
bit
of
investigation
and
I
did
not
I
chipped
away
at
some
of
the
stucco
that
was
on
that
wall
on
the
back
side,
so
it
couldn't
be
seen
and
I
came
across
concrete
block,
so
I
I
didn't
do
that
to
the
entire
wall.
So
I
can't
speak
about
the
entire
wall,
but
the
little
bit
of
investigation
that
I
did
do
I,
don't
think
it
goes
back
to
the
20s.
M
F
G
M
Actually,
you
can
so
if
you
look
very
closely
I
have
brought
my
laser.
L
M
There
appears
to
be
an
extension
of
a
walkway
from
the
front
door
directly
out
to
the
street,
which
would
intersect
the
wall
that
we
are
proposing
to
modify
and
on
our
proposal.
You
will
see
that
we
are
attempting
to
add
a
pair
of
buttresses
and
a
small
gate,
and
the
Assumption
here
is
that
we
are
trying
to
take
this
back
to
what
may
have
actually
been
there
before.
There's
a
series
of
steps
that
lead
down
from
the
driveway
into
that.
M
M
Better
photographs
to
back
that
up,
but
in
part
of
our
investigation
it
appears
that
that
may
be
historically.
What
was
there
and
and
on
that
note,
I
would
like
to
say
a
little
bit
about
the
current
owners
when
the
owners
of
the
property
contacted
me,
they
had
not
yet
purchased
this
property.
M
They
were
very
excited
to
find
out
the
connection
and
they're,
unlike
a
lot
of
people
that
have
come
before
the
board
who,
when
they
find
out
that
it's
a
historic
building
and
they
want
to
remodel
it,
tear
it
down
or
whatever
the
beckmans
wanted
to
actually
take
it
back
as
close
to
what
it
may
have
originally
been
like
when
the
meme
design
happened.
So
that
is
a
lot
of
the
impetus
for
the
change
in
doors,
perhaps
the
the
greenhouse
and
so
forth.
M
If
you've
read
through
John
Murphy's
the
report,
he
has
some
questions
about
whether
the
greenhouse
was
actually
designed
by
John
Garmin,
but
regardless
I
think
the
potting
shed
does
demonstrate
that
you
can
see
that
on
the
doors,
those
of
you
that
may
have
been
there
today
and
I'm,
using
those
doors
as
well
as
drawings,
original
drawings.
That
I
have
found
at
the
University
of
New
Mexico.
They
have
an
archive
of
a
lot
of
gaming,
original
drawings
and
based
on
those
two
things:
the
potting
doors
and
the
original
John
golfing
drawings.
Of
some
of
this
property.
B
Appears
board
members
have
no
questions.
Anyone
from
the
public
pushing
to
comment
on
this
project,
the
anyone
from
the
public
wanting
to
Mr
Boniface
I,
do
want
to
compliment
you
on
your
drawings,
yeah.
Everything
was
very,
very
well
done
and
also
I
think
in
cooperation
with
Heather
you
put
out
that
the
yellow
tape,
so
that
showed
us
exactly
where
the
wall
is
going
to
be
located,
so
I,
very
good
presentation,
so
board
members.
If,
oh
yes,
does.
Member
Larson
have
something.
B
F
I
would
like
the
applicant
to
discuss
a
little
bit
the
roofing
material
on
a
greenhouse.
Yes,.
M
M
They
warned
me
emphatically,
do
not
add
glass.
The
wooden
purlins
will
not
be
able
to
support
the
weight
when
this
greenhouse
was
constructed
code.
At
that
time
allowed
single
pane
glass
to
be
on
a
roof
current
code.
You
now
have
to
have
a
double
glass
which
is
laminated,
which
is
approximately
six
and
a
half
pounds
per
square
foot.
M
These
guys
knew
that
I
mean
they
told
me
about
all
this
and
they
said
do
not
do
not
follow
code.
You
cannot,
unless
you
want
to
remove
the
historic
Woodlands.
They
said
we
actually
did
a
remodel
of
a
similar
Greenhouse
similar
in
size.
It's
also
made
by
Lord
and
Burnham
at
the
Los
poblanos,
his
and
so
I
investigated,
and
the
material
that
they
have
is
is
actually
right
here
and
if
I
can
approach
the
board
I'd
like
you
to
see.
G
M
What
the
material
is,
is
it's
a
polycarbonate,
it's
a
triple
wall,
polycarbonate
that
is
designed
specifically
for
Greenhouse
use.
It
will
not
yellow
with
age
it
will.
It
also
has
a
the
ability
to
have
a
UV
coating,
so
it
will
not
overheat
inside
of
a
greenhouse
and
that
we
are
proposing
to
turkey
or
place
the
fiberglass.
M
I
should
say
again
if
you
had
actually
gone
out
to
the
site
and
looked
at
the
greenhouse
you'll
see,
there's
some
pretty
nasty,
yellow
fiberglasses
deteriorating
falling
apart
and
if
you
went
inside
it's
like
an
oven.
This
material
will
help
to
reduce
the
heat
which
I
know
is
not
part
of
the
purview
of
the
board.
But
this
is
a
state-of-the-art
material
and
is
designed
specifically
for
greenhouses.
B
Thank
you,
Mr
Boniface,
yes,
member
madrana,.
I
I
also
just
had
a
note
here
that
overall
I
thought
it
was
a
very
thoughtful
application
and
it
was
a
very
easy
to
understand,
which
is
always
appreciated.
So
I
just
wanted
to
give
my
compliments
to
you.
I'd
only
asked
about
the
wall
just
because
this
year,
age
of
it
you
know,
I,
was
wondering
if
that's
something
that
we
should
evaluate
at
this
point,
but
I'm
I'm
comfortable
moving
forward
with
the
application,
as
is
so
thank
you
for
a
very
nice
application
and
staff.
B
E
You
in
case
2022-005,
688
hdrb,
I,
move.
G
B
J
As
that
comes
up,
we
are
looking
at
500
Montezuma
Avenue,
which
is
in
the
west
side,
Guadalupe
historic
district.
J
So
this
is
a
little
bit
more
of
a
unique
case.
Let's
see,
let's
see,
we
are
looking
at
a
new
construction
application
for
new
construction.
It
isn't
under
a
different
portion
of
the
code.
So
this
is
we're
specifically
code
contacts.
We
are
looking
at
chapter
14-5.2
in
county
and
Santa
Fe,
Public,
Schools
capital,
outlay
projects,
design
standards.
J
Okay.
That
said
this,
this
is
an
older
Ariel
from
what
we're
look.
What
we're
looking
at
today,
the
property
has
essentially
three
structures
on
it
or
what
was
considered
three
structures
by
the
board
and
2016.
G
J
J
That
is
that's
really
the
site
that
we're
looking
at
okay,
Oh
and
before
we
move
off
this
Slide.
The
code
specifically
refers
to
applicable
streetscapes
I'm
just
going
to
since
we're
looking
at
the
aerial
note
that
Montezuma
Avenue
is
the
applicable
streetscape
here.
Okay,
for
a
code
context,
I've
just
got
a
little
a
couple
slides
on
procedures,
we'll
review
this
briefly.
I
will
not
take
up
too
much
the
board's
time
with
the
procedural
portion,
but
there
are
some
procedural
requirements
just
to
let
you
know
where
we're
at
in
these
requirements.
J
So
before
condensing
the
design
project,
the
public
school
shall
work
with
the
hdrb
they
did
come
in
have
initial
meetings
with
City
of
Santa
Fe
HPD,
and
now
we
are
at
the
point
where
we're
to
the
board,
and
they
also
had
a
couple
neighborhood
meetings
that
were
conducted
by
the
applicant
applicant
to
solicit
feedback
on
the
design.
So
we
have
gotten
beyond
that
point.
J
So
the
way
this
is
going
to
work
tonight
is
we're
going
to
get
comments
back
from
the
board
and
the
public.
Now
the
applicant
will
have
60
days
to
pick
up
these
comments
and
return
back
to
the
board
for
approval.
J
If
we
cannot
reach,
if
we
cannot
have
those
comments
picked
up,
there
is
a
portion
of
the
state
code
that
comes
into
effect,
and
that
is
for
that
requires
a
special
board
be
created
and
in
order
to
resolve
those
and
that
is
under
Mexico
State
statutes.
Chapter
3,
article
22.,
okay,
all
right.
G
J
Said
I'll
give
you
a
briefcase
history.
We
are
looking
at
the
subject
of
the
let's
see
the
the
rest
of
the
buildings
on
this
property
have
history
that
goes
back
to
1880
Associates
to
the
railroad.
That's
the
sambusco
building
the
Foley
building
is
contributing,
but
the
sambusca
building
was
had
a
1920s
Remodel
and
then
a
remodel
in
the
1980s
I
did
include
in
the
packet
the
status
case
and
the
appeal
which
has
a
really
robust
history
on
the
the
property.
J
But
I
would
just
want
to
make
a
special
note
that
the
board
for
those
who
weren't
there
at
the
time
that
in
2016
the
go
back
up
to
the
site
plan
here
or
the
air,
the
older
aerial
that
when
the
status
case
was
done,
this
large
building
was
seen
as
one
and
it
was
recommended,
as
non-contributing
by
staff
the
board
devoted
to
status
it
as
contributing
along
with
the
parking,
the
little
carport
structure.
In
the
back
here
there
was
an
appeal
by
the
applicant.
J
The
governing
body
upheld
the
appeal
over
turning
the
hdrb's
decision,
but
made
a
special
note
of
this
italianate
building
in
the
front,
specifically
the
south
and
west
facades,
marking
it
as
contributing
or
primary
facades,
but
just
making
special
note
that
they
are
iconic
with
that.
J
That
said,
the
next
projects
were
to
from
between,
after
the
status
appeal
through
2019-20,
ending
early
2020,
I
believe
to
model
the
sambusco
portion,
move
paint
on
the
italianate
building,
which
gets
referred
to
as
the
gallery
most
often,
and
then
remove
that
interior
portion
creating
a
courtyard
which
is
behind
the
italianate
building
now,
so
that
the
fully
is
contributing
the
carpet.
J
Increase
discuss
procedure
a
little
bit
of
case
history,
we're
going
to
move
on
to
the
design
portion,
but
before
we
do
that,
I
just
want
to
make
note
that
on
the
field
trip
today,
we
did
discuss.
Just
there
were
questions
about
height.
J
The
height
on
the
front.
Here
is
the
tallest
height
is
26
to
it
and
two
inches
it
modulates
with
the
grade
a
bit
from
there,
but
the
there
is
a
an
effort
to
match
the
height
of
the
gray
portion,
the
top
there.
Okay,
with
that
said,
I
think
the
intent
tonight
is
very
much
different
from
an
informational
session,
because
there
are
legal
responsibilities
behind
picking
up
these
comments.
J
The
comments
we're
we're,
hoping
that
generally
for
process
staff,
is
hoping
that
for
generally
process
that
we
can
maybe
review
the
comments
after
this
at
the
end
of
the
discussion,
if
we
have
a
robust
discussion
this
evening,
so
that
doesn't
have
to
be
done
in
a
motion
and
it
was
suggested
by
our
legal
counsel
that
it
is
not
done
an
emotion.
J
E
J
So
this
is
under
this
is
under
state
it.
It
is
due
to
the
funding
as
soon
as
you
accept
state
funding
that
puts
you
under
this
portion
of
the
code
and
even
on
a
portion
of
the
project.
So
that's
why
there's
a
some
extra
documents
at
the
end
of
the
packet
that
give
some
proof
to
the
state
portion?
Okay,.
B
J
So
we're
really
looking
at
where
the
Vlad,
like
kind
of
where
the
end
of
months
of
Zuma
as
soon
as
you
cross
Guadalupe
you
go
into
a
different
street
and
our
streetscapes
are
determined
by
length
so
we're
looking
at
where
Montezuma
meets
Guadalupe
and
up
to
Agua
Fria
Street,
and
that
includes
territorial
Style,
with
Deco
detailing
the
borders
kind
of
borders,
building
mimics
that,
with
these
triangular
kind
of
territorial
Style
Elements,
some
Spanish
Pueblo
Revival
Style
with
the
Jungkook
2
theater
and
also
some
Deco
detailing
there
is
one
Mission
Revival
style.
J
That's
I
think
1980s
or
1990s
build
on
that
same
street.
But
each
of
those
buildings
that
I
just
mentioned
are
stucco
stucco,
simulated,
Adobe,
Adobe
and
then,
of
course,
we
have
the
italianate
building,
which
is
the
lovely
brick
piece.
H
G
J
Oh
yes,
so
so
we
did.
We
did
our
standard
public
notice,
plus
the
our
boards
and
our
ens.
So
we
had
those
were
the
public
meetings
that
I
had
mentioned.
We
did.
They
did
applicant
upon
suggestion
added
an
extra
public
meeting
there
too,
because
the
below
turnout
that
one
of
them
I
think
I'm
covering
all
the
public
notice,
portions
I.
F
K
C
Q
Good
evening
board,
thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
share
with
you
the
the
plans
for
New
Mexico
School
for
the
Arts.
This
is
a
very
exciting
evening
because
it's
been
a
long
time
coming.
New
Mexico
for
the
Arts
was
granted
funding
for
a
new
cafeteria
and
dormitory
and
the
legislative
session
of
2019.,
as
you
can
see,
from
this
Photograph.
This
is
the
celebratory
photograph
with
the
governor
for
that
accomplishment.
Q
But
unfortunately,
as
we
all
know,
our
world
took
a
turn
in
2020
and
we
had
to
basically
separate
out
our
cafeteria
project,
which
is
now
complete
and
our
dormitory
project,
and
so
the
dormitory
funding
was
delayed
until
this
last
year.
Okay,
so
now
in
2022,
we
are
ready
to
move
forward,
and
so
we
are
very
much
looking
forward
to
that.
Q
First,
I
just
want
to
outline
New
Mexico
for
the
Arts,
so
it's
very
clear
about
who
and
what
they
are
New
Mexico
City
Arts
is
a
state
chartered
Public,
High,
School,
very
important
to
understand,
and
the
charter
New
Mexico
School
for
the
Arts
or
nmsa
as
we
refer
to
it
is,
has
its
own
own
Charter
and
within
that
Charter
it's
it
is
identified
as
a
Statewide
residential
State
chartered
chartered
High
School
charters
in
there.
But
the
point
is:
is
that
their
Charter
mandates
that
they
provide
residential
amenities
for
their
students?
Q
And
this
is
a
Statewide
State
School.
So,
as
we
know,
New
Mexico
is
a
large
State
and
very
spread
out.
Our
students
come
from
all
over
and
obviously
it
creates
hardships
for
the
students
and
their
families
if
they
don't
have
adequate
housing
to
be
here
at
school.
Obviously,
students
who
are
between
the
ages
of
14
and
18,
they
should
be
focusing
on
their
education
and
their
art,
in
particular
at
nmsa,
not
where
they're
going
to
live
and
and
creating
a
safe
and
secure
housing
situation
during
those
really
formative.
Q
Q
I
just
want
to
identify
the
location,
I
think
you
all
know
where
it
is,
of
course
Montezuma
and
Market.
Street
cities
GIS
has
not
updated
since
we
demolished
the
the
interior
there's
an
aerial
there's
our
our
zoning
in
the
historic
district.
As
stated,
we
are
in
the
west
side,
Guadalupe
District.
Q
So
here
you
can
see.
This
is
The
View,
actually
from
Google
Maps
as
you're
coming
down
Montezuma,
and
you
can
see
the
the
actual
view.
It's
often
hard
when
you're
taking
photographs
to
get
a
real
perspective
of
what
the
I
and
and
the
driver
or
the
The
Pedestrian
will
see
or
the
bike
rider.
Q
But
you
can
see
here
here
is
the
formal
entrance
that
was
done
in
what
we
call
our
phase,
one
in
the
remodel
of
the
sambusco
shopping
center.
Here's
the
italianate
building,
which
we
refer
to
as
the
gallery,
because
it's
actually
used
as
an
art
gallery
for
the
art
students
and
then
over
here
to
the
left.
You
can
see.
That's
the
vacant
area,
that's
identified
for
the
dormitory
I'm
just
going
to
scroll
through
these
I
think
everybody
is
quite
familiar
with
the
location.
Q
Where
you
can
see
the
site,
where
we've
we
now
have
construction,
fencing
up,
identifying
the
buildable
area
and
that's
looking
on
Market
Street
kind
of
to
the
north
West
at
the
site,
and
actually,
let
me
just
back
up
I
just
want
to
point
out.
This
is
the
new
cafeteria
that
was
built.
We
came
before
this
board
in
2020
for
those
approvals,
and
we
completed
this
in
January
of
2022.
Q
This
is
the
italianate
structure
or
gallery.
These
are
the
old
sandusko
shopping
spaces.
As
you
recall,
there
were
small
shops
here
and
there
kind
of
randomly
and
in
kind
of
a
fun
way,
but
you
can
see
the
condition
and
and
the
context
in
which
the
the
gallery
structure
set
prior
to
the
demolition
of
the
center
and
the
construction
of
the
cafeteria.
Q
Q
Q
O
Q
Gallery
as
we
were
working
through
this
project,
you
can
see
here
when
we
have
filled
in
the
the
basement,
and
then
this
is
our
gallery
now.
So
in
2016,
during
the
appeal
hearing
before
the
city
council,
counselor
Lindell
made
a
point
of
saying
that
this
property
is
non-contributing.
However,
she
pointed
out
at
the
gallery
is
very
significant
and
her
specific
word
was
iconic
and
she
requested
that
the
applicant
take
the
time
to
restore
it
and
take
care
of
it
and
maintain
it,
and
she
said
we
trust
you.
Q
We
trust
you
and
I
think
that
we
have
exhibited
that.
We
can
be
trusted.
We
took
the
time
and
the
care
to
restore
this
facade
as
best
we
could,
based
on
the
information
that
we
had
and
obviously
with
the
needs
of
the
building
for
egress,
but
restoring
here
this
window
was
all
blocked
up.
It
was
locked
in
you
can
see
the
various
tones
of
the
brick
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
point
this
out,
because
during
our
phase,
what
we
call
2A
for
the
cafeteria.
Q
There
is
the
gallery
from
the
the
South
elevation
and
you
can
see
the
restored
pyram
pit
here
so
that
it
actually
relates
to
the
what
e-spacing
elevation
and
that's
just
a
close-up.
It's
very
interesting
brick
buildings,
as
you
know,
typically
have
numerous
colors
with
red.
Typically,
it's
not
just
one,
and
this
building
has
been
touched
and
played
with
and
restored
and
fixed
many
times,
and
just
in
this
one
little
snapshot,
you
can
see
how
many
variations
of
color
are
there?
Q
G
Q
Early
Master
planning
this
area
was
always
identified
as
the
dorm.
As
you
can
see,
we
have
very
limited
space.
We
want
to
maintain
a
very
usable
and
lovely
Courtyard,
which
we
we
love
now
that
it's
done,
and
so
that
is
that's
kind
of
like
what
we
started
with
we
reached
out.
First
thing
we
did:
is
we
actually
reached
out
to
the
dorm
students
themselves?
Nmsa
currently
leases
space
from
the
Mount
Carmel
property,
which
is
now
the
modern
Elder?
Q
They
will
be
there
until
hopefully
through
the
fall
of
2023
and
we're
ready
to
have
them
move
into
the
new
facility,
but
they
are
housed
there
and
they're
bust
over,
and
so
we
spoke
to
the
students.
Unfortunately,
I
can't
share
the
images
of
those
charrettes
for
privacy
reasons,
but
we
talk
to
the
students
we
talk
to
our
board.
Here
is
a
kind
of
a
session
that
we
have
with
our
board.
Q
Here
we
jotted
down
ideas
with
our
our
staff,
our
faculty,
our
there's,
the
board,
charts
or
excuse
me,
charette
images
and
cutting
and
pacing
and
jotting
to
come
to
this,
which
I
think
this
is
like
to
me.
This
is
the
epitome
of
our
process.
What
we're
trying
to
create
here
is
a
sense
of
home.
Again,
these
are
children,
they're
minors,
they're
between
the
ages
of
14
and
18.,
fresh
freshman
to
senior
in
high
school.
We
need
to
create
a
home
from
them.
This
is
where
they
were.
This
is
not
college
level.
Q
Q
So
this
is.
This
is
a
perspective
which
was.
This
is
a
little
different
than
we
saw
before,
but
basically
I
wanted
to
provide
a
a
bird's
eye,
so
you
can
kind
of
understand
the
massing
and
the
size
of
the
campus
and
MSA,
as
you
recall,
from
sambusco,
it's
a
large
building,
and
then
the
dormitory
sits
right
here
here
is
the
galleries
building,
which
is
completely
separate.
The
dormitory
is
a
standalone
building.
It
is
not
attached
to
any
of
the
other
structures.
Q
Here
we're
going
to
be
moving
around
the
building,
so
now
we're
looking
at
the
East
facade,
so
we're
moving
around
to
the
South.
What
we
are
proposing
is
to
utilize
a
warm
Brown
stucco
to
kind
of
pick
up
some
of
the
warm
tones
of
the
brick
and
also
the
outside
magazine
building,
that
is
to
the
South,
and
then
we
are
pulling
in
the
the
gray
metal
paneling.
That
was
part
of
the
phase
one
and
phase
2A
project
being
consistent
with
our
building,
so
it
feels
like
it
all
belongs
together.
Q
This
is
our
South
Passat,
and
you
can
see.
We
are
here.
Is
that
brand
the
warm
Brown
creating
a
security
wall
on
that
South
facade
to
create
an
outdoor
Courtyard
for
the
students?
We're
also
utilizing
this
kind
of
it's
a
it's
a
permeable.
It's
a
rated
pardon
me
metal
panel
fence
that
actually
can
be
transparent
and
can
be
solid
depending
on
how
you
look
at
it
and
then
in
the
center.
Q
What
we've
done
is
we've
actually
picked
up
on
the
stucco
color
of
what
we
call
the
music
Wing,
which
is
the
old
borders
building
so
trying
to
break
up
dormitory
buildings,
any
type
of
a
housing
building.
You
know
it's
all
about
repetition
of
space,
and
so
we
wanted
to
break
this
up
with
the
massing
and
create
more
interest
than
just
having
obviously
a
linear
building.
Q
This
is
an
interior
view
of
the
south
facing
Courtyard
for
the
students,
and
you
can
see
that
the
center
of
the
building
is
broken
up
with
some
store
Front
on
the
ground
floor.
That's
a
living
kitchen,
space,
Gathering
space
so
that
the
activity
can
spill
outside
and
then
upstairs.
On
the
second
floor,
that
is
an
exercise,
slash
gym
room
to
provide
the
students,
those
amenities
during
their
stay.
Q
So
this
is
the
view
this
is
actually
taken
today.
I
apologize,
the
sun
was
not
quite
where
I
wanted
it
to
be,
but
this
is
a
view
from
the
the
the
North
West
corner
of
the
courtyard.
To
the
right.
Here
is
the
cafeteria.
Q
You
can
see
the
decorative
metal
trellis
overhead
here,
as
well
as
along
the
the
the
school
proper's
South
facade
here,
what
we
call
the
Paseo
and
here's
our
Courtyard
and
you
can
see
the
gallery
building
here
and
then
this
is
the
same
exact
view,
but
in
in
the
rendered
form
you
can
see
where
the
the
dormitory
sits
here
in
relationship
to
cafeteria
to
the
gallery
here
again
breaking
up
the
masses
with
the
different
color
stuccos
and
again
we're
utilizing
this
decorative
fin
to
create
an
overhang
here
and
release
on
that
North
facing
facade.
Q
This
is
the
again
today
looking
at
the
Courtyard
at
the
cafeteria
here
and
then
this
is
the
rendering
of
that
same
view
with
the
dormitory
here
to
our
left,
another
image
of
the
dormitory
in
its
context.
So
again,
I
already
spoke
about
the
materials.
Here's
our
metal,
paneling
matching
what's
already
existing
here,
are
two
stucco
colors,
as
we
discussed
in
the
decorative
thin
art
fencing,
which
is
existing,
which
you
saw
today.
Q
I
have
I'm
just
going
to
scroll
through
here,
because
I
don't
want
to
take
up
too
much
of
your
time,
but
I
wanted
to
just
explain
the
program
quickly.
This
dormitory
is
intended
to
house
60
students,
so
we
have
31
rooms
in
this
floor
plan
with
as
I
discussed
kind
of
the
communal
areas
in
the
center.
Q
It
is
intended
to
have
two
students
per
room
with
that
extra
room
to
be
used
as
an
infirmary.
If
a
student
has
a
special
need,
if
we
need
to
have
a
student
living
alone
just
to
have
that
flexibility,
but
the
program
is
to
have
60
students
here,
living
in
I
believe
the
second
semester
of
the
23-24
school
year
and
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
the
the
the
architectural
elevations
again
just
the
breaking
up
of
the
massing.
This
is
our
North
facade
here.
Q
This
is
our
sales
facade
here
and
you
can
see
the
old
borders
here,
which
is
now
what
we
call
the
the
music
Wing.
The
music
department
is
in
that
area
and
then
you
can
see
it
with
the
with
the
wool
and
the
fencing
here
to
create
a
secured
environment,
because
that
is
essential
for
the
security
of
the
students.
There's
an
obligation
there
to
to
make
sure
that
those
students
are
are
feeling
safe
and
and
have
a
safe
place
to
be
outside
and
again.
This
is
the
this.
Q
Is
the
west
facing
the
side
of
the
dormant
that
is
not
publicly
visible.
It
faces
the
music
Wing
again
breaking
up
with
materials,
and
then
this
is
the
East
racing
facade,
and
this
is
where
we
we.
Q
We
altered
our
design,
we
had
another
meeting
in
August
and
we
got
some
more
feedback
and,
and
one
of
the
feedbacks
is
there
was
a
lot
of
concern
because
it
originally
pardon
me
this
entire
East
facade
was
completely
100
percent,
the
gray
metal
siding
and
the
feedback
was
that
it
was
too
severe
too
modern.
Q
It
was
not
relating
to
the
rest
of
the
streetscape
of
Montezuma
and
and
Market
Street,
and
so
we
wanted
to
bring
some
more
warmth
in
and
we
really
appreciated
that
and
and
I
think
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
think
we
have
a
better
building.
We
also
pushed
that
facade
back
and
created
some
relief
from
the
street
and
from
our
property
line.
Q
Q
Here
is
the
our
name.
Q
And
then
this
is
the
oh
pardon
me,
I,
guess
the
other
one
was
in
the
north
I
I
can't
I
can't
read
my
computer
screen
with
my
glasses
on
this.
Is
the
south
facing
coupon,
so
I,
just
I
want
to
finish
with
who
who's
going
to
be
here,
and
these
are
actually
our
dorm
students.
They
would
they
really
wanted
to
be
here,
but
you
know
they
have
homework
and
practice
and
obligations,
and
so
we
had
asked
them
if
they
were
willing
to
take
pictures
and
tell
us
where
they
were
from.
Q
Q
Creating
a
sense
of
hope
is
critical
here
and
then
these
are
all
of
the
the
students
currently
in
the
if
you
were
missing,
but
in
the
residential
program
and
before
I
end
I.
Just
want
to
introduce
a
few
people
from
nmsa
and
the
Art
Institute.
Q
G
Q
R
Good
evening
Madam
chair
members
of
the
board,
I'm
Paula
Tackett
and
I'm,
the
secretary
of
the
governing
Council
for
the
New
Mexico
School
for
the
Arts
I'm,
sorry
7459b,
Old,
Santa,
Fe,
Trail,
I'm,.
R
Sick
but
I'm
honored
to
be
able
to
read
his
his
statement
to
you
historic
district
review
board
city
of
San,
Jose
I
wish
to
share
with
you
how
excited
we
are
to
be
building
our
permanent
residential
facility
at
the
sambusco
site.
A
dream
more
than
a
decade
in
the
making
is
ready
to
come
to
perusa
by
Statute
in
MSA,
was
established
to
provide
access
to
a
rigorous
Mastery
arts
and
academic
education
to
promising
young
artists
from
across
the
state
of
New
Mexico.
R
L
R
Current
location
at
the
Immaculate
Heart
of
Mary
Retreat
Center
with
capital
outlay
funding
committed
by
the
state
of
New
Mexico.
We
are
now
ready
to
create
purpose-built
housing
on
our
permanent
campus,
ensuring
that
up
to
60,
New
Mexico
students
per
year
receive
arts
training
that
they
otherwise
would
not
be
able
to
access
from
Roswell
to
Farmington
from
Silver
City
detouse
up
to
60
New
Mexico
families
will
send
their
students
to
Santa
Fe
to
learn,
train
grow
and
create
the
future
of
our
state's
art
economy.
R
K
I'm
David
ater,
a-t-e-r,
769,
Calle,
Del,
respondor,
Santa,
Fe
and
I.
Just
really
am
here
as
a
member
of
the
board,
but
also
as
a
long
time.
Member
of
the
community,
including
the
development
community,
and
as
with
all
of
the
experience,
this
room
seems
like
my
second
home
I've
spent
many
nights
here.
Midnight
and
Beyond
I
really
wanted
to
thank
this
board
and
it's
many
constituencies
over
the
years,
the
staff,
the
governing
body
board
of
adjustment,
all
the
folks
that
we
had
to
work
with
the
staff
during
construction.
It's.
T
K
K
Retail
locations
and
have
said
so,
the
success
of
the
school
is
beyond
frankly
my
wildest
dreams
and
a
great
credit
to
the
academic
and
arts
team,
and
it
has
ended
up
I.
Think
being
the
contribution
to
my
community,
which
I
really
appreciate
and
I.
Thank
all
of
you
for
doing
that.
This
last
dormitory
piece
Stone
piece
to
the
master
plan
which
was
approved
on.
G
K
You
have
acted
at
many
different
points
here,
and
it
really
creates
the
closed
campus
and
we're
all
sensitive
about
the
security,
but
also
allows
us
to
extend
our
Outreach
to
the
rest
of
the
state,
which
is
the
Mandate,
as
you
know,
which
we
have
done
our
best
to
do,
but
simply
couldn't
find
enough
housing
to
do
it,
and
all
of
the
things
that
were
mentioned
by
Colleen
are
critically
important
to
having
the
those
kids
that
are
in
these
formative
periods
on
site.
Q
Foreign
I
just
want
to
conclude
that
we
also
have
Kayla
bolte,
who
is
the
residential
director
here?
If
you
have
any
questions
on
the
program
and
then
also
Eric
mace
with
our
architecture,
team
snpc
is
here
as
well,
so
we
are
happy
to
stand
for
any
questions.
Colleen.
B
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
presentation.
It
was
very
thorough,
I
I,
thoroughly
liked
all
the
photographs
and,
in
particular
the
bird's
eye
view
of
the
project
it
for
those
of
the
members
that
couldn't
attend
today.
Today's
field
trip
that
helps
a
lot
and
I
do
want
to
say
on
today's
field
trip
looking
at
the
cafeteria
area
that
looked
really
inviting
to
me
and
I
just
want
to
say
to
the
young
people
that
are
here
that
will
be
participating
in
this
program
and
I.
B
Think
it's
wonderful
that
we
have
people
in
the
Arts
participating
and
that
we
here
in
Santa
Fe
are
housing
them
and
they
will
be
thriving
in
this
community.
I.
Think
it's
important
because
a
lot
of
people
think
oh
Santa
Fe,
including
myself.
It's
a
community
of
older
people
and
yes,
we
do
have
older
people.
But
for
me
it's
wonderful
to
see
the
younger
generation
being
in
the
community
and
thriving
in
this
community.
In
a
project
such
as
this
one-
and
let
me
see
I,
you
have
some
architectural
questions.
Q
Q
You
know
so
it's
great
to
see
young
people
I
mean
you
know
Milling
about
during
the
day,
instead
of
just
people
shopping
so
as
far
as
the
architectural
style
I'm
just
gonna,
and
please
Eric,
if
you
want
it
Eric,
if
you
want
to
chime
in
here
too,
so
what
we
had
quite
a
challenge:
I'm
going
to
go
to
this
image
here.
Q
Q
So
there's
brick,
there's
this
the
the
metal
siding,
there's
stucco
with
the
old
sambusco.
So
when
that,
when
that
was,
you
know,
simple
excuse
me,
pardon
me,
borders
was
brought
in.
That
was
a.
It
was
interesting
that
was
a
stuccoed
structure,
but
then
it
had
this
kind
of
wood
front,
almost
like
an
old
western
front,
which
obviously
we
tore
down.
Q
It
was
quite
dilapidated,
but
there
were
a
lot
of
different
materials,
and
so
when
we
were
looking
at
this,
we
wanted
to
number
one
make
sure
that
the
dorm
related
to
the
school
we
wanted
to
make
it
feel
like
it
belonged
there
with
the
school
and
I
know
that
I'm
sure
there'll
be
discussion
today
about
streetscape
and
in
the
historic
district.
Q
The
streetscape
is
it's
an
interesting
kind
of
challenge,
because
in
this
area
there's
a
lot
going
on
there's
a
lot
of
different
types
of
buildings
and
then
there's
the
rail
yard
as
well.
You've
got
the
influences
of
the
more
the
Guadalupe
Street
and
the
more
traditional
you've
got
influences
with
the
brick
structures.
You've
got
influences
more
with
the
industrial
feel
of
the
rail
yard,
and
and
and
as
you
saw
from
the
photographs,
we
look
right
at
the
trains.
We
look
right
at
the
tracks.
Q
We
look
right
at
the
station
so
to
say
that
we're
part
of
Guadalupe
I,
it's
a
little
for
me.
I
found
it
challenging
and
I
thought
our
architectural
team
did
a
wonderful
job
of
trying
to
bring
in
materials
that
were
cohesive
and
created
a
kind
of
a
nice
solution
to
a
very
linear
building.
Q
You
know
creating
a
livable
space
that
works
for
this
type
of
group
living.
We
had
to
provide
communal
group
areas,
but
you
you
know
you
want
to
make
them
inviting
you
want
to
bring
in
the
sunlight.
You
want
to.
You
know
be
able
to
have
some
transparency
there
between
your
outdoor
space
and
your
indoor
space
and
I'll.
Let
Eric
do
you
want
to
add
anything
to
that.
C
B
D
Of
course
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
you
know
we
were
really
trying
to
be
kind
of
of
the
context
and
not
necessarily
be
a
statement.
Building
I
think
the.
G
D
B
Not
that
you're
there,
what
is
the
distance
between
the
contributing
building
and
the
proposed
dormitory.
D
V
B
D
D
Room
there
at
the
street,
so
yeah
that's
the
attention,
but
again
this
property.
O
Q
To
add
that,
in
our
second
neighborhood
meeting
we
did
get
some
input
at
because
at
that
time,
in
August
mid-august,
the
building
was
pushed
pretty
much
up
against
that
East
property
line
and
because
of
our
programming
needs
square
footage
needs
I
mean
we
were
trying
to
Max
it
out,
and
you
know
we
took
those
comments
to
heart,
and
so
we
did
push
it
back
and,
as
you
can
see
from
this
plan
here,
you
can
see
that
we
actually
took
a
significant
chunk
out
of
one
of
the
residential
supervisors
units.
Q
There
are
four
residential
supervisor
apartments
in
this
building
two
on
each
floor
and
they
are,
you
know
it
is
a
full
apartment
for
them
to
live
in,
and
so
we
actually
compromised
this
one
in
order
to
give
that
relief
from
that
East
facade,
because
we
were
really
pushing
it
and
I
think
it
I
actually
think
it
looks
better.
It
created
more
opportunities
for
us
to
break
up
the
building
with
materials
as
well.
J
Yes,
Carly.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Before
we
get
too
far
into
the
discussion.
I
just
wanted
to
return
to
member
Guida's
question
which
I
did
not
fully
answer
I
in
so
this
does
fall
under
M
in
the
in
the
staff
report
we
have
it
under
in,
but
those
two
code
sections
are
identical,
except
for
the
word
County
versus
State
and
one
procedural
note.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
correction.
J
That
is
incorrect
in
the
port
report,
but
that's
how
we
discussed
this
for
this
project
initially
was
under
M
as
in
Mary
again,
it's
County
versus
state,
with
one
procedural
note
that
we
report
to
the
state.
J
If
the
comments
are
not
picked
up,
it's
the
only
difference
in
the
code
and
then
there's
one
other
thing
or
on
the
public
noticing
are
Old,
Santa,
Fe,
Association
are
and
New
Mexico
was
noticed
as
well
and
that
these
hearings
were
approaching
and
the
date
I
think
our
attorney
wants
to
add
something
to
that.
N
So
I
wanted
to
pose
a
specific
question
now
to
Ms
Gavin
or
Paula
I
I'm.
Sorry
I
did
not
catch
her
last
name.
Okay,
can
you
tell
us
to
answer
specifically?
This
is
in
fact
a
state
capital.
Outlay
project
is
that.
Q
Clear
yes,
Madam,
chair
board,
I
apologize,
I,
don't
know
your
name.
N
Q
Frank,
thank
you
for
the
question.
Yes,
this
is
a
state
capital
outlay
project,
and
so
the
funding
was
provided
by
the
state
legislature.
This
last
session,
we
did
provide
the
documentation
to
Carly
for
her
request
and
as
far
as
any
procedural
stuff,
I
would
defer
to
Paula
Tackett.
Who
is
our
expertise
on
that?
She
really
stewarded
this
through
the
process.
Okay,.
R
It's
a
state
nmsa
is
a
state
chartered
not
under
public
sanitary
public
schools,
that
the
state
chartered
Public,
High,
School
charter
school
and
the
property
was
transferred
to
the
to
the
school.
So
it's
state
property
and
the
funding
was
state
was
from
the
state.
So,
yes,
it
would
be,
it
would
be
whatever
the
section
is.
It's
supposed
to
be
State,
okay,.
N
N
Thank
you
so
I
just
needed
to
get
that
on
the
record.
It
is
something
that
will
come
under
14-5.2
subsection
M,
rather
than
n
design.
N
Exactly
the
same,
the
one
difference
is
that,
under
a
state
capital
outlay
project,
if
there
is
a
period
of
time
after
which
the
board's
recommendations
in
the
state
cannot,
if
they
can't
come
to
an
agreement
on
a
specific
design,
there
has
to
be
set
up.
An
ad
hoc
committee
with
people
from
the
I
think
the
state
historic
preservation
office,
as
well
as
some
local
Representatives.
So
there's
a
mixed
state
and
local
board
to
try.
G
B
Thank
you
attorney,
if
you
believe,
and
yes,
the
applicants
will
have,
as
stated
by
Carly
earlier
60
days
after
our
comments
are
submitted,
so
that
they
can
come
back
before
the
board
for
a
final
review.
I
want
to
start
with
member
Guida
here
and
go
down
the
line
and
get
their
comments.
E
Thank
you
Cheerios,
so
with
full
appreciation
of
the
amount
of
effort
that
went
into
this
from
the
applicants
from
the
school
from
City
staff.
E
E
E
If
we
look
at
this
photo,
you
know
this
is
a
great
aerial.
We
know
that
if
we
look
down
Montezuma
Street
we'll
mostly
see
the
gallery
building
and
the
interest
and
MSA,
and
so
you
know
my
concern
is
really
not
you
know
coming
down
that
street
or
or
turning
the
corner
there.
My
concern
is
the
far
more
prominent
South
facade,
which
is
totally
exposed
to
anybody
walking
towards
Montezuma
from
the
rail
yard.
E
We
can
almost
imagine
this
as
a
as
a
as
a
primary
facade
to
the
city,
a
Gateway,
in
fact,
for
those
arriving
by
train.
Hopefully,
more
and
more
students
are
doing
that
and
their
families
as
well,
but
you
know
I'm
going
to
focus
a
lot
on
the
very
important
South
facade
of
this
project
and
also
I'll
focus
on
you
know
it's
the
building's
relationship
to
the
excellent
design
work
and
something
that
we
don't
typically
see
in
Santa.
Fe
have.
L
E
E
G
E
Architects
made
the
the
case
that
this
kind
of
blends,
with
the
streetscape
you
know
to
me
doing-
that
is
a
really
is
a
really
big,
missed
opportunity,
given
the
stature
of
the
the
building
at
an
MSA
and
given
the
prominence
of
the
site
was
previously
explained,
I
think
there
are
unfortunate
prescriptions
in
our
code,
most
notably
in
this,
whether
it's
section,
n
or
M.
This
requirement
that
80
percent
of
the
facades
be
stucco.
This
is
not
nmsa
is
not
a
predominantly
stucco
building
where
stucco
is
used.
E
That's
used
on
the
back
side
of
the
buildings,
and
so
the
Incorporation
of
Stucco
were
the
mandate
to
put
stucco
around
this.
This
building
is.
Is
it,
in
my
view,
absolutely
wrong?
I,
don't
I,
don't
agree
with
the
discussion
of
breaking
up
the
facades.
E
The
way
that
this
proposal
is,
and
so
to
me,
the
the
the
the
impulse
to
not
only
incorporate
I
mean
I
understand
where
the
impulses
to
incorporate
stucco
comes
from
it
comes
from
the
code,
but
the
idea
to
kind
of
break
up
this
massing
to
me
is
kind
of
unnecessary
I
I
agree
that
there's
a
great
pallet
of
materials
to
work
with
at
at
nmsa.
You
know
I'm,
happy
to
see
the
repeat
of
the
the
corten
perf
steel
fence
and
gate
panels,
I'm
happy
to
see
the
the
repeat
of.
G
E
Metal
siding
on
the
building
I'm
happy
to
see
an
entry
on
the
south
facade
that
that
mimics,
the
black
trim
and
storefronts.
E
Of
that
makes
sense,
but
just
to
kind
of
come
back
to
this
I.
You
know
what
what
breaks
my
heart,
really
the
most
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
doing
design,
good
design
work
in
Santa
Fe
is
where
the
code
is
overly
prescriptive.
I.
Imagine
also
that
there's
a
height
limitation
imposed
on
this
project
of
two
stories,
that's
another
unfortunate
thing.
E
As
a
consequence,
we
get
a
building
with
a
giant
footprint,
a
giant
envelope
that
reduces
its
efficiency
and
really
limits
the
amount
of
massing
and
and
design
opportunities
in
the
building,
including
outdoor
space.
To
me,
those
outdoor
spaces,
particularly
the
ones
on
the
South
Side,
are
really
compressed
the
idea
that
we
would
get
this
kind
of
jumble
of
materials
on
the
south
facade
when
we
come
into
the
City,
and
this
really
tall
wall
for
a
shallow
side
yard
in
My.
Views
is
really
is
really
a
problem.
B
Rita,
is
it
fair
to
say
that
you
feel
that
this
building,
obviously
you
said
it's
got
too
much
massing
but
that
it's
would
you
push
it
back
even
further?
No.
E
S
E
I'm
not
requesting
a
design
change
in
that
regard.
The
building
is
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
what
the
external
expression
of
the
building
it's
being
far
too
dictated
by
prescriptive
code
and
not
the
circumstances
of
either
the
site
or
of
the
building
that
it's
next
to,
and
so
I
know
that
in
the
in
reading
of
the
code.
You
know
there
is
an
exception
within
there
about
to
the
80
stucco
Rule
and
it
pertains
to
additions
to
to
buildings.
E
To
me
if
we
understood
this
as
an
addition
to
the
NMSU
campus,
even
though
it
is
detached,
we
might
have
the
latitude
to
get
out
of
the
overly
prescriptive
approach
to
stucco
on
the
outside
of
the
building.
I.
Think
to
me
that
that's
the
wrong
move.
I
Thank
you
to
staff
and
the
applicant
for
making
such
a
thorough
presentation.
I
admire
the
mission
of
nmsa
very
much
I
have
multiple
nieces
and
nephews
that
are
within
this
age
range
and
Santa.
Fe
needs
a
school
like
this
very
much
so
I
appreciate
what
you
guys
do.
I
also
want
to
thank
member
Guida
for
bringing
up
the
issue
of
the
South
facade.
I.
Think
I
became
hyper
focused
on
the
East
facade,
so
I
appreciate
the
perspective.
You
brought
there
so
I've
created
a
kind
of
list
of
observations.
I
After
carefully
reviewing
you
know
the
drawings
and
the
surrounding
streetscape
I
do
have
a
couple
of
the
issues
and
that
I
don't
think
it's
currently
in
harmony
with
the
streetscape.
The
first
one
would
be.
You
know
the
existing
buildings
have
architectural
details
such
as
brick,
coping
that
add
to
their
sense
of
character
where
this
building
doesn't
provide
that
same
sort
of
architectural
interest
and
I.
I
I
I
also
had
some
reservations
about
the
use
of
the
stucco.
You
know
the
existing
Adobe
structures
that
are
in
the
streetscape
convey
a
sense
of
depth
and
substance
and
I
think
in
choosing
stucco
as
one
of
the
primary
materials
in
this.
It
doesn't
achieve
that
same
sense
of
substance
that
the
code
speaks
to
so
just
I,
just
wonder
if
it's
the
most
appropriate
material.
I
In
this
case,
the
applicant
already
did
speak
to
index
point
a
little
bit,
so
it
might
be
a
new
point,
but
I'll
go
over
it
regardless
I
did
have
some
questions
and
one
part
of
the
application
it.
The
use
of
stainless
steel,
corrugated
metal
was
called
out,
and
that
made
me
think
of
I
thought.
The
color
was
stainless
steel
and
the
profile
had
that
wave.
I
But
then
I
did
see
in
your
cover
letter,
and
you
also
spoke
to
this
in
the
presentation
that
you
stated
that
it
would
be
a
light
gray
and
to
be
consistent
with
material
used
in
the
prior
phases.
So
that's
just
something:
I
want
to
confirm
that
the
intent
is
to
match
exactly
what
was
there
in
Prior
phases,
which
which
I
think
you
did.
I
My
next
observation
is
that
you
know,
while
the
height
of
the
building
does
not
exceed
the
existing
building
surrounding
it.
You
know
it
doesn't
offer
that
same
horizontal
relief
of
the
step,
Downs
that
the
existing
buildings
do
so
I
think
it
makes
the
height
more
prominent
than
the
buildings
surrounding
it
surrounding
it.
My
next
observation
was
that
the
window
pattern,
in
particular
on
the
East
facade,
where
there
are
only
two,
do
not
match
the
proportion
in
the
pattern
of
the
windows
in
the
streetscape
again
I.
I
Think
for
me,
that's
going
back
to
just
kind
of
that
lack
of
architectural
interest,
specifically
on
that
East
facade
I
also
recognize
that
you're
contending
with
these
being
private
uses,
I
looked
at
the
floor
plan
and
I
think
that
facade,
you
know,
shares
the
wall
of
one
of
the
apartments.
So
I
don't
know
if
there's
if
the
programming
could
be
looked
at,
where
maybe
that's
a
more
public
space
where
more
windows
could
be
introduced,
and
it
wouldn't
be.
I
Such
a
privacy
issue
and
then
the
last
observation
I
had,
which
for
me
is
the
one
I
feel
most
strongly
about,
is
that
the
proposed
building
sits
roughly,
you
know,
35
to
40
feet
in
front
of
the
italianate
building
and
in
my
eyes
this
completely
minimizes
the
iconic
presence
of
the
italianate
building
so
moving
forward.
I
I
This
building,
and
even
though
it's
not
accessible
by
the
public
anymore,
I
think
just
having
that
interface
of
that
pedestrian
activity
in
front
still
makes
it
feel
like
it's
a
part
of
the
community
and
I
feel
like
the
proposed
building
kind
of
just
sharply.
You
know
cuts
into
that
space
where
that
existing
tree
is
so.
Those
were
all
of
my
observations
being
that
I
feel
most
strongly
about
the
building
being
pushed
back.
I
Have
they
house
for
students
in
one
building
and
what
they
do
is
they
have
higher
I
guess,
you'd
call
them
a
single
bunk
bed
where
the
student
that
sleeps
up
higher
and
then
the
desk
sits
below
that
I'm,
just
wondering
if
a
different
configuration
might
provide
more
space,
where
there
would
be
an
option
to
pull
the
building
back
more.
V
Don't
disagree
with
anything
that
Guida
or
Aguilar
have
said
something
that
also
struck
me
in
the
community
comments.
There's
age
I
think
it
was
35
or
so
of
your
one
packet?
Is
that
and
it
was
it
was
your
neighborhood
meeting
number
two
and
one
of
the
comments
made
by
one
of
the
people.
It
was
Ken
in
particular
referred
to
the
conversation
of
that
building
around
the
other
buildings.
V
H
Member
of
each
side,
thank
you,
madam
chair
I
would
just
want
to
say
for
the
record.
I
agree
with
my
fellow
board
members
comments
on
all
aspects:
I
guess
my
focus
was
the
East
facade
and
the
the
treatment
of
the
the
new
building
with
respect
to
the
italianates
gallery,
I
like
how
you've
set
off
the
gallery
with
in
terms
of
color
on
the
two
sides.
H
It's
the
lighter
colors
that
are
focusing
your
attention
on
the
iconic
building,
I,
think
I
think
when
you
were
doing
maybe
the
first
phase
and
the
old
San
Basco
Lumberyard
facade
was
a
bit
controversial
with
the
steel
and
the
storefront
glazing,
but
I
think
it's
super
successful
and
I
wonder
if,
if
that
treatment
wouldn't
be
a
better
choice
for
the
other
side
as
well,
it
sounds
like.
H
Maybe
that
was
one
iteration
of
your
design
early
on
so
I'm
sort
of
curious
about
what
that
looked
like,
because
what
what
happens
is
to
my
eye
is
that
the
the
corner
that
that's
now
a
dark,
stucco
color
and
seems
to
be
more.
H
Of
a
relationship
to
the
italianate
building
than
the
others,
and
that
building
is
very
blocky
with
very
little
penetration,
and
it
just
seems
to
do
that.
Italianate
building
a
disservice.
I
do
like
how
the
signage
is
low
and
I
feel,
like
you've
attempted
to
minimize
what
happens
on
that
corner,
but
some
additional
Windows
might
be
nice
or
some
sort
of
architectural
design
that
that
creates
something
other
than
a
brown
quarter.
Very
forward-facing
or
not
facade
might
be
a
consideration.
H
I
I
do
like
the
perforated
metal,
okay,
I
think
that's
quite
a
a
nice
treatment
for
a
tall
wall
that
you
can
still
see
through
that
and
I.
Don't
know
what
to
suggest
on
the
south
so
thought
either.
I
really
appreciate
those
comments
that
that
is
a
very
permanent
facade
that
you
know
the
community
is
not
used
to
looking
or
paying
much
attention
to
that.
H
The
thought
at
the
moment
because
there's
yeah
it
was
construction
sensing,
it's
clearly
under
development,
but
when
it's
finished
that
will
be
a
very
prominent
part
of
our
rail
yard.
I
I
don't
have
any
architecturals
suggestions,
but
I
I
do
agree
that
that
is
problematic.
B
You
thank
you
very
much.
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
I
know
that
most
of
you
know
would
these
board
members.
They
are
volunteers
and
they
really
take
their
positions
here
on
this
board
very
seriously
and
I.
Think
that's
indicated
by
the
type
of
comments
that
have
been
made
this
evening,
and
you
know
the
important
thing
is
that
we
work
together.
B
There
have
been
many
projects
that
have
come
before
the
board
and
perhaps
oftentimes
when
there's
a
lot
of
all
categorize
it
as
negative
comments,
but
also
these
comments
might
be
actually
comments
that
are,
that
would
improve
the
project
and
once
working
with
the
with
the
applicants
with
the
Architects
set
on
the
sport
for
a
number
of
years
and
when
things
come
back
to
us
after
listening
to
all
these
constructive
criticism,
comments
that
the
project
turns
out
to
be
way
better
and
I
do
want
to
thank
compliment
you
on
having
the
public
involved
in
this
as
well.
B
Okay,
so
you
may
make
your
comments
and
then
I'm
going
to
ask
for
public
comment
here.
B
Yes,
Heather,
oh
and
I'm.
Sorry,
member
Larson.
F
B
Remember,
Larson
I
apologize
that
you're,
not
here
in
person,
I
kind
of
forgot
about
you
for
just
a
Split
Second.
We
do
want
to
hear
your
comments.
A
That's
all
right:
yeah
I
I
really
want
to
thank
the
applicant,
for
you
know
actually
taking
the
the
time
to
consult
with
with
your
community
that
not
only
your
you
know
your
stakeholders,
but
your
community
I
think
that
is
you
know
what
results
in
really
good
work
and
I
I
think
you
know
the
fact
that
you're
here
and
you
know
presenting
to
us
and
such
depth
is
really
nice,
so
I
think
for
me:
I
don't
have
as
much
of
a
you
know
an
issue
with
the
actual
surface
of
the
buildings
and
the
materials
that
are
chosen.
A
I
think
you
know
they.
They
are
made
that
way
to
sort
of
differentiate
from
you
know
some
of
the
more
architecturally
dominant
sections
of
the
thing
or
is
the
complex
but
I
think
the
you.
A
It
sort
of,
is,
you
know,
juxtaposed
to
what
you
have
with
the
sort
of
playful
take
parapet
and
on
the
italianate
building.
I
I
can
see
the
effort
to
differentiate
between
those
two
but
I.
Think
in
differentiation.
You
somewhat
lose
the
interest
and
sort
of
the
playfulness
of
that.
A
D
A
Such
as
the
parent
pit
and
then
also
the
the
really
thoughtful
way
that
you
have
integrated
the
indoor
and
outdoors
type
of
spaces,
now,
of
course,
that
has
to
be
a
little
bit
different
for
housing
due
to
security
purposes,
and
all
of
that
and
with
the
lot
that
you
can
think
of
in
it
is
somewhat
limiting
so
I.
You
know,
I,
wouldn't
necessarily
suggest
changing
the
sizing
of
the
rooms.
A
G
A
As
well
as
drawing
from
the
other
elements
that
you've
taken
with
the
approach
to
you,
know,
landscape
and
Architectural,
Harmony
and
design
throughout
the
complex,
and
so
that
would
mean
using
more
negative
space,
perhaps
presenting
with
you
know
a
visual
more
so
with
you
know,
the
the
actual
landscape
elements,
I
think
would
be
really
useful
to
sort
of
break
up.
A
This
boxy
sort
of
you
know
sign
for
the
campus,
so
those
are
my
only
comments
and
again
I
am
really
appreciative
and
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
seeing
you
know
how
you
know
what
direction
you
decide
to
take.
This
thanks.
B
Thank
you,
member
Larson,
yes,
Colleen.
Q
I'm
Madam
chair
board
members.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
input.
So
I
do
want
to
apologize.
I
was
completely
remiss.
I
did
not
introduce
Cindy
Montoya,
who
is
the
president
of
the
Art
Institute
I
apologize
Cindy?
She
is
here
this
evening
as
well,
so
I
just
want
to
just
quickly
touch
on
a
few
things.
Q
I
think
consistent
things
that
I
heard
from
you
and
and
and
some
of
the
points
we
agree,
number
one
the
East
facade
as
as
I
mentioned,
it
went
through
three
iterations
and
originally
that
facade
was
the
the
light
gray
metal
siding
because
we
wanted
it
to
to
really
allow
the
italianate
structure
to
really
pop
and
kind
of
be
bookend
by
something
that
was
quieter,
and
that
was
already
a
part
of
our
architectural
context
and
in
our
already
part
of
our
language.
Here
we
did
get
quite
a
bit
of
feedback.
Q
I
will
say
from
both
of
our
meetings
saying
that
they
felt
that
the
the
gray
siding
was
not.
It
was
too
modern.
It
was
even
though,
it's
already
on
the
majority
of
our
building
of
our
campus
pardon
me,
but
they
wanted
to
see
more
stucco.
We
had
always
had
the
lighter
colored
stucco
to
relate
to
the
the
Music
Hall
to
kind
of
create
again
we're
kind
of
stuck
in
this
juxtaposition
of
trying
to
take
a
very
linear
program.
Again,
this
building
was
designed
by
program
right
and
you're
limited.
Q
When
you
have
to
accommodate
students,
there
are
regulations
for
the
types
of
sizes
of
rooms
that
we
have
to
provide.
We
have
to
provide
certain,
obviously
restroom
facilities,
communal
facilities,
egress
requirements
and
so
trying
to
put
all
that
in
you
know,
we
end
up
with
a
very
linear
box,
addressing
the
the
two-story
versus
three.
We
would
love
to
go
through
stories.
Q
However,
I
think
that
if
there's
a
third
story
here
would
be
quite
challenging
and-
and
it
creates
some
other
challenges
as
far
as
monitoring
the
building,
obviously
we
have
to
have
residential
supervisors
on
all
fours
and
kind
of
bookend
those
fours.
So
we
have
proper
Guidance
with
our
students
and
and
oversight
the
comments
about
that
East
facade
and
the
limitation
on
Windows
there
that,
as
you
know,
from
typical
building
design,
you
have
egress
stairs
on
each
side
of
a
linear
building
like
this.
Q
So
those
are
staircases,
and
so
we
are
limited
into
how
many
windows
we
can
provide
there.
Also
we
have
a
security
issue.
I,
don't
think
it's
any.
You
know
it's
not
a
secret
that
there
are
some
concerns
about
activity
occurring
in
the
rail
yard
and
we
have
miners
living
here
and
we
can't
have
Windows
looking
into
residential
hallways
that
open
up
to
bedrooms
and
we
have
to
provide
the
requisite
privacy
and
security,
and
that
really
was
number
one
here.
It
was
kind
of
like
providing
kind
of
the
boring
stuff
security
privacy.
Q
All
the
kind
of
you
know
safety
requirements
and
then
providing
a
sense
of
home
and
not
making
it
feel
institutional.
So
there
were
some
challenges,
but
I
think
that
I
think
that
your
comments
we
will
take
to
heart.
We
will
take
a
look
at
that.
I
really
appreciate
your
thoroughness
and-
and
it
was
very
interesting
to
see
how
consistent
you
all
were
in
kind
of
your
assessment
and
then
just
the
comment
about
this
step
back
on
that
East
Side
I
wish
we
could
push
it
back.
Q
Unfortunately,
our
state
funding
is
based
on
housing,
60
students.
So
we
have
to
provide
60,
pardon
me,
30
rooms,
minimum
we're
providing
31.,
and
our
program
also
requires
that
we
have
supervised
residential
supervisors
living
in
the
facility
as
well
and
so
and
putting
all
of
that
in
there
we
are
just
you
know
it's
a
tight
site,
as
you
know,
so,
I
don't
want
to
be
redundant
here,
but
I
just
wanted
to
number
one.
Thank
you
for
your
your
comments
and
we
do
very
much
appreciate
your
your
perspective
on
this.
B
G
J
One
person
coming
forward
I
just
wanted
to
make
make
it
known
for
the
record
that
the
an
email
went
out
to
the
board
for
the
comments
that
came
in
on
Prime
gov
last
night.
So
to
make
sure
that
was
in
the
record.
F
C
O
Bechtel
320
Aztec
Street
I
would
just
like
to
commend
the.
G
O
And
also
reiterate,
I,
guess
or
Echo
some
of
the
comments
that
I've
heard
tonight
I
feel
like
that.
The
gallery
building
is
now
completely
swallowed
by
this
building,
and
you
know
understanding
program
and
Etc.
There
is
a
bigger
site.
O
I,
don't
know
if
there's
been
some
discussion
about
the
site
behind
the
buildings
where
the
big
Lumber
racks
are
it
just
feels
that
there's
more
site
planning
that
could
be
done
to
save
or
reveal
this
iconic
building
when
I
office
just
across
the
street,
from
this
building
more
than
once,
tourists
especially
would
ask
me
what's
over
there
and
if
we
hide
this
building,
there'll
just
be
less
to
draw
them
over
to
the
rail
yard
or
vice
versa.
O
There
is
a
sort
of
a
no
man's
land
that
this
will
create
because
there's
no
architectural
interest,
there's
no,
you
know
sort
of
a
big
block
to
REI
at
this
point
and
then
I
would
also
say
that
just
says
this
building
looks
directly
at
the
train.
The
people
on
the
train
look
directly
at
this
building,
and
so
it's
a
very
important
Gateway
I
believe
to
the
city
of
Santa
Fe.
So
I'm
wishing
for
more
for
more
so
thank
you.
U
U
U
There
is
a
really
difficult
situation
here
in
that
they
are
stuck
with
not
enough
room
to
build
their
programming.
I
empathize
with
that
heartily,
but
I
want
to
also
Echo
all
of
the
comments
that
were
made
by
the
board.
I
think
they
were
very
insightful
and
they
gave
very
very
good
advice
to
the
applicants.
U
I
don't
know
that
they
will
be
able
to
get
themselves
out
of
the
corner
that
they've
painted
depth
in
painted
themselves
into
because
of
the
lack
of
space
that
they
have,
but
I
do
very
strongly
feel
that
this
building
imposes
itself
on
the
streetscape,
the
neighborhood
and
the
adjacent
building
to
which
it
will
partner.
So
I'm,
very
sorry
to
be
so
honest
about
that.
U
B
Thank
you,
Mr
Eddie,
for
your
comments.
Yeah.
We
do
want
you
to
be
honest.
That's
what
we're
here
for
and
all
of
these
comments
that
were
made
I
do
appreciate
them
as
well,
and
I
hope
you
will
take
them
under
advisement
and
I
will
ask
a
big
favor
of
Melissa,
and
that
is
Melissa.
Could
you
please
try
Melissa's
an
excellent
transcriber?
B
F
Bouncy
and
I
am
going
to
ask
you
to
unmute.
You
can
speak
now.
S
I
am
sorry
to
bother
I'm,
actually,
the
next
one
of
the
people
you're
reviewing
today.
C
F
S
To
this
item
also
looking
at
the
the
pictures
and
I'm
very
unfamiliar
with
this
project,
but
it
does
kind
of
seem
pretty
imposing
and
lots
of
gray
walls,
so
I
I
would
like
to
know
exactly
from
the
people
who
were
speaking
before
if
it.
What
are
the
reasons
that
there
cannot
be
a
third
floor
or
a
smaller
third
floor,
maybe
not
the
full
length
of
the
building,
but
some
some
Distribution
on
the
third
floor.
That's
all.
I
Curious
can
I
just
provide
a
clarification
on
one
of
my
comments
prior
to
them.
Getting
typed
up
I
just
wanted
to
make
it
clear
that
when
I
said,
you
know
that
I
felt
strongly
about
that
building.
Getting
pushed
back
away
from
the
right-of-way
I
wasn't
referring
to
like
one
or
two
feet
in
my.
You
know,
I
think
in
an
ideal
world
that
the
face
of
that
building
would
be
flush
with
the
Italian
eight
building,
I
recognized
the
site
constraints,
the
need
for
60
rooms.
I
It
looks
like
there's
still
a
bay
of
parking
which
I'm
wondering
if
that
gives
you
another
20
feet
to
play
with,
and
if
it
would
be
possible
to
expand
the
building
on
the
southwest
corner
of
it
again,
not
the
whole
face,
but
maybe
it
just
out.
I
E
Correct
me,
if
I've
misspoken,
I,
think
I'd,
maybe
like
to
sum
up
some
of
the
board's
comments
tonight
to
me.
I
think
you
know
first,
there's
this
issue
of
the
extent
of
the
building
on
the
site,
and
so,
as
Aguilar
Medrano
just
mentioned,
yeah
there's
the
opportunity
to
reduce
the
overall
footprint
or
shift
it
away
from
the
East
or
even
go
to
three
stories.
At
this
point,
I,
don't
know,
that's
possible
that
you
know
reduction
in
footprint
or
Shifting.
E
The
massing
away
from
the
east
side
of
of
the
project
is
is
desirable,
I
think,
with
regard
to
the
discussion
about
stucco
and
openings
and
materials,
and
and
all
of
that,
I
think
I
think
to
combine
the
two
kind
of
big
thrusts
of
the
of
the
critique
would
be
to
say
that
you
know
in
general,
fewer
material
shifts
on
the
facades
would
be
advisable.
E
In
fact,
the
the
most
problematic
is
the
the
stucco
that
mimics
the
the
brick
tone,
and
probably
the
metal
siding
on
the
east
side
is
probably
the
the
kind
of
better
choice
for
allowing
the
italianate
building
to
kind
of
be
expressed
as
its
own
thing.
I.
E
To
that-
and
we
heard
this
about
parapets
and
the
discussion
of
the
existing
massing
and
how
how
some
of
the
kind
of
fenestration
and
facades
are
kind
of
more
artically
handled
there
I
would
be
an
advocate,
and
maybe
the
other
members
of
this
board
were
getting
at
this
and
differentiating
the
ceiling.
The
the
kind
of
facade
Heights,
particularly
on
the
south,
facade
to
to
kind
of
better
Express
or
make
this
building
a
little
bit
more
interesting.
E
Last
point
would
be
you
know,
I
appreciate
that
you
know
the
facade
drawings
do
oversimplify
the
South
facade
of
the
building.
Quite
a
bit,
I
I,
see
from
the
renderings
that
we're
going
to
get
solar,
Shades
that'll,
add
some
level
of
detail
there,
but
just
in
the
way
of
kind
of
talking
about
these
details
and
how
they're
deployed
in
in
making
this
a
kind
of
nicer
project.
I.
Think
for
sure.
E
This
kind
of
you
know
one
for
one
of
like
these
tiny
little
windows
and
particularly
on
the
East
facade,
if
there's
an
opportunity
to
kind
of
join
those
windows
vertically
or
otherwise,
connect
them
to
bigger
moves
and
kind
of
less
functional
expression,
I
think
I
think
that
would
be
advantageous.
I
I
hear
the
applicant's
point
about
privacy.
On
the
first
floor,
it's
always
difficult
to
do.
First
floor,
housing
in
an
urban
environment.
E
Recognizing
that
you
know
I
I,
think
I.
Think
it's
fine,
but
maybe
there
are
other
ways
to
give
us
a
wall
with
more
interest.
So
you
know
I
think
what
we
have
is
a
great
start
in
terms
of
you,
know,
transparent
and
opaque
in
using
the
kind
of
material
expression
there
I
question
whether
that
needs
to
be
the
the
brown
stucco.
Can
it
be
more
of
the
kind
of
solid
cortense
deal
that
we
see
elsewhere?
Can?
Can
it
be
brick,
another
material
that's
used
on
the
site?
Are
there?
E
G
B
G
B
C
L
The
status
of
the
1030
Main
Building
is
contributing
and
there's
another
Chickpea
in
your
packet
that
it's
from
1995
that
is
not
definitive
about
its
status
and
I.
Just
wanted
to
point
that
out
that
we're
talking
about
two
addresses
that
may
or
may
not
have
been
one
property
at
one
time
that
they
are
separate
addresses.
But
this
case
is
mostly
centered
on
the
remodel.
In
addition
onto
the
front
house,
the
contributing
house
and
I'll
describe
the
houses
or
the
structures.
L
Now
the
the
front
house
is
about
a
1300
square
foot
resident
and,
like
I
said
listed
as
contributing
to
the
dungus
bar
area,
historic
district.
L
It
was
built
in
the
30s
and
it's
mainly
Spanish
Pueblo
Revival,
vernacular
style
or
Pueblo
Revival
style
vernacular
with
some
territorial
Revival
style,
brick
coping
it's
front
portal
is
stuccoed
with
beams
and
corbels.
It
features
two
divided
lights:
three
over
one
wooden
wood
windows
and
some
multi-light
casements
behind
the
house
to
the
West
sitsa
Casita.
L
Casita
built
sometime
between
the
third
30
and
maybe
37
features
multi-colored
pointed
stucco
that
appears
like
a
stone
facing
under
its
French
porch
as
a
Wayne
Scott
surrounding
the
window
and
has
an
iron,
a
wrought
iron
balustrade
to
the
north
of
the
Casita
on
the
10
30
and
a
half
properties.
It's
a
328
square
foot
detached
concrete
block,
building
used
for
storage.
It
consists
of
two
masses
with
a
connecting
room
at
the
same
height.
It
can
take
three
wood
doors
and
extended
exposed
wood
lentils
on
its
front
and
South
elevation.
L
It
has
two
by
three
light:
Steel
casements
in
a
single
fixed,
two
divided
Light
Window,
the
storage
building
mimics,
the
cut
the
casita's
multi-colored
pointed
stucco
on
its
front,
South
elevations,
West,
End
and
we'll
see
those
photographs
as
I
go
through
this.
The
proposal
for
the
front
house,
the
casita's
rear
storage
building
is,
as
shown,
does
appear
in
plan
on
both
the
1985
and
the
1995
historic
buildings
survey
for
the
two
addresses
and
approximately
one-third
of
this
storage
building
is
located
on
the
1030
West
Houghton
property.
L
In
addition,
there's
a
low
stuccoed
yard
wall
in
the
front
three
three
feet:
six
inches
to
four
feet:
it
spans
the
entire
East
elevation
of
the
property
has
openings
at
the
the
front
door
and
at
the
driveway
there's
no
Gates.
This
yard
wall
is
designated
contributing,
along
with
the
main
house
in
2018,
the
board
designated
the
east
and
north
facades
of
the
front
house
as
primary
facades.
The
meeting
minutes
don't
refer
to
10
30
and
a
half
at
all
or
address
that
freestanding
storage
shed.
L
Currently,
this
is
the
site
plan
tried
to
contrast
in
red
the
footprint
of
the
main
house
and
where
the
proposed
Edition
is
going,
the
proposes
to
remove
a
portion
of
that
southwest
corner
and
add
and
add
back
an
addition.
That's
slightly
larger.
L
It
will
match
the
existing
height
at
the
West
End
of
the
house,
and
the
new
windows
will
be
the
same
as
the
house,
the
house,
the
windows
of
the
house,
three
over
one
true,
divided
lights,
aluminum,
Cloud,
wood,
double
hum
to
match.
Like
I,
said
the
historic
windows
on
the
rest
of
the
house,
the
South
facade
door
will
be
aluminum,
Cloud,
wood
and
half
glass.
True
divide
light,
go
to
elevations.
L
L
Existing
South
elevation
at
the
top
shows
that
southwest
corner
that
is
being
altered,
removed
to
make
room
for
the
slightly
larger
mass
that
has
a
set
of
three
over
one
windows
and
a
door.
That's
half
glass,
half
wood,
as
just
stated,
the
other
proposed
change
for
this
elevation
is
to
add
four
small
windows
on
that
North
elevation
where
currently
there's
no
windows
at
all.
L
This
is
the
rear
of
the
house,
the
existing
and
proposed,
and
you
can
see
the
addition
and
how
it
changes
from
what
is
there
now.
You
can
also
see
the
from
the
West,
the
vehicular
gate
from
inside
the
property,
vehicular
gate,
and
then
the
door
on
the
bottom
is
proposed
to
take
the
place
of
the
window.
Above.
L
L
The
only
changes
to
add
a
four
feet:
high
coyote
defense,
where
you
see
that
there's
currently
a
wood
fence
there
now
so
on
10
30
and
a
half
West
Houghton
Street
in
the
red
oval,
is
the
location
of
the
that's,
the
detached
storage
building
that
the
owner
excuse
me,
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
remove
demolish
a
portion
of
and
clear
that
space
between
the
two
houses,
so
in
elevation
here,
maybe
I
should
just
stick
out
pictures
to
show
you
first.
So
this
is
a
photograph.
L
The
upper
right,
one
is
the
photograph
of
the
storage
building
with
the
three
doors
and
the
casement
windows,
and
then
below
is
its
west
elevation,
which
also
has
a
steel
casement
window.
So
the
proposal
is
to
demolish
that
portion.
That's
in
the
dotted,
Red
Square
upper
right,
like
I,
said
two,
and
they
just
want
to
end
the
wall.
There
stucco
it
not
and
be
done.
L
B
Thank
you
Angela,
so
you
were
indicating
that
the
shed
portion
of
this
project
should
be
looked
at
evaluated
per
status
in.
L
B
It's
going
to
be
a
recommendation
to,
even
though
you
presented
that
part
of
the
the
demolition
that
we
essentially
not
move
on,
that
correct
I'm.
L
B
I
Thank
you,
Terriers
I
just
wanted
confirmation
of
something.
During
our
plate
visits
day,
we
were
told
that
the
addition
was
going
to
be
the
same
height
of
the
portion.
I
That's
getting
demolished,
but
the
drawings
show
that
the
new
edition
will
match
the
taller
portion
of
the
existing
structure,
and
then
we
were
also
told
that
the
that
the
shed
roof
was
going
to
be
maintained
or
replicated
and
the
bill
the
drawings
don't
show
that
either
they
just
want
to
get
confirmation
that
the
applicant's
intent
matches
the
drawings
as
we're
seeing
them
today,
and
then
just
also
make
the
board
members
aware
of
this
change
from
what
we
were
told
during
our
site.
Visit.
B
Any
other
clarification
questions,
none.
If
the
applicant
will
please
come
forward.
C
T
F
Does
have
our
hand
up
so
I.
Imagine
she'll
speak
yes
before
or
after
you,
Mr
Sears.
T
T
You
no
I
just
want
to
make
sure
she
was
still
with
us.
Okay,.
T
Yeah,
the
only
evidence
before
you
is.
G
T
In
2018
when
and
30
was
before
you
course
status
review,
the
consideration
was
for
just
the
residents
the
wall
in
front
and
there
was
no
discussion
of
the
portion
of
the
storage
building
that
is
on
10
30
at
that
time.
So
if,
if
this
board
had
concern
about
that
structure,
it
could
have
acted,
but
it
did
not.
So
with
that
I'll
stand
for
any
other
questions.
T
T
T
It's
four
foot:
six
or
six
yeah.
I
You
know
I
know
you
mentioned
the
last
review
was
done
in
1995
and
then,
after
that
the
board
didn't
request
it.
You
know
many
of
us
were
on
the
board
there,
and
so
we
can't
speak
to
that.
But
you
know,
even
so,
it's
been
27
years.
Perhaps
since
that
shed
has
been,
the
status
has
been
Revisited,
so
I
would
still
be
in
favor
of
at
least
having
that
portion
held
off
until
we
get
another
status
review,
I'm
no
expert
on
it.
But
you
know
when
we
were
on
our
site
visit.
I
There
was
stamped
stucco.
That
was
the
first
time
I
came
across
it,
so
it
struck
me
as
a
unique
condition
to
that
shed.
So
I
would
still
be
in
favor
of
holding
off
on
just
that
portion
of
the.
N
H
A
comment
about
the
vehicular
gate:
this
is
a
very
narrow
Street.
Most
of
the
health
is
that's
out
the
street
and
there
are
no
vehicular
Gates
that
that
concept
is
very
out
of
character
for
this
street
and
it
would
be
strongly
opposed
to
dying
that
element.
I,
also
wonder
if
it
affects
the
contributing
yard
wall.
It
looks
like
a
portion
of
that
is
proposed
for
a
demolition
with
the
vehicular
gate.
Perhaps
but
that's
another
concern
of
mine.
T
That's
probably
the
floor
plans
better.
It's
a
larger
scale.
The
gates
are
shown
there
right
where
it
says
proposed,
and
the
yard
wall
in
front
starts
at
the
street
to
the
right.
There's.
G
T
T
In
that
this
panchi
travels
a
lot
and
would
like
to
keep
her
car.
You
know
behind
those
Gates
when
she
is
gone
as.
L
T
And
it
is
set
back
20
feet,
six
inches
from
the
street
is
low
in
scale
and
that's
basically,
it.
T
E
Thank
you,
I
think
in
general.
I
would
be
supportive
of
of
the
vehicle
gate,
given
just
explanation
of
the
kind
of
sitting
quite
far
back
and
not
requiring
demolition
of
the
existing
yard
wall.
I
have
a
lot
of
access
to
the
the
need
for
privacy,
particularly
for
the
back
unit
on
on
the
street
I
I.
Don't
think
it
has
a
huge
impact
on
the
on
the
streetscape
just
to
kind
of
kind
of
round
round
up
a
few
other
questions
is
it?
E
T
E
Then,
while
we're
on
the
south
elevation,
the
proposed
South
elevation
just
a
kind
of
small
point,
but
the
one
that's
important,
I
think
because
it's
visible
there
seems
to
be
the
Vestige
of
a
chimney
on
the
and
and
the
intersection
of
that
new
window.
With
the
line
of
the
chimney
of
the
applied
vertical
line
of
the
chimney
is
a
little
troubling.
I
would
just
suggest
that
either
the
window
kind
of
either
acknowledged
the
chimney
by
shifting
over
to
the
left
or
that
the
chimney
be
eliminated
in
favor
of
a
for
coping.
T
E
B
Any
other
comments
or
questions
anyone
from
the
public
wishing
to
college.
U
Has
already
been
sworn
in
so
go
ahead.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I.
Do
empathize
with
the
need
for
security
and
I,
see
both
sides
of
the
idea
with
the
vehicular
gate,
I'm
wondering
if
the
applicant
would
consider
if
the
board
is
thinking
about,
allowing
that
gate
to
go
in
softening
the
gate
by
ensuring
that
the
wooden
surface
completely
cover
and
hide
the
superstructure
so
that
the
superstructure
the
Cortez
steel
frame
is
only
visible
from
within
the
property
and
not
from
the
streetscape,
just
maybe
a
way
to
kind
of
create
some
little
room
there.
B
F
The
last
person
to
comments
so
especially
if
you've
been
sworn
so
feel,
free
to
make
your
comments.
G
S
S
S
And
if
you
look
at
the
comments
on
the
second
page
of
the
1995,
it
states
that
Willie
Romero
purchased
the
rear
property
from
the
Ortiz
family
and
the
Ortiz
family
lived
behind
to
the
west
of
the
property
on
cubero
Street,
and
he
built
his
home
for
himself
behind
his
parents,
home,
which
is
10
30.,
10,
30
and
a
half
was
built
around
1932
in
the
front
house.
1030,
which
is
contributing
historic,
was
built
around
1918,
not
1930.
S
As
stated
in
a
summary
and
the
north
north
of
the
10
30
and
one-half
home
sits
three
separate
storage
room
masses
built
over
three
different
time
frames.
Each
of
the
three
storage
rooms
have
a
different
roof
line
and
different
floor
house
floor
Heights
and
each
have
separate
doors
on
the
south
facade.
S
The
storage
room
nearest
to
the
west
side
of
the
property
is
made
out
of
adobe
and
likely
the
oldest
part
of
the
storage
room,
and
it
has
that
multi-colored
pointed
stucco
by
the
way
that
multi-pointed
stucco
was
removed
from
the
10
30
and
a
half
home
back
in
2011
before
I
bought
the
property.
So
the
pictures
that
you
have
from
1995
that
show
multiple
colored
stucco
under
the
porch
of
the
by
the
front
door
of
10
30
and
a
half.
That's
no
longer
there.
G
S
S
Mass
is
is
located
on
the
1030
West
Towson
property,
and
this
is
the
one
we
had
proposed
to
demolish.
That's
all
okay,.
B
Thank
you
very
much
any
other
hand,
stuff
Heather.
T
I
just
wanted
to
correct
the
calculation
there.
As
you
see
in
the
photograph
there
on
the
upper
right
is
the
portion
of
the
storage
building
that
we're
proposing
to
demolish
that
is
on
10
30.,
that
is
82.5
square
feet,
we're
proposing
to
take
off
the
wall.
You
see
there
that
has
the
door
and
then
the
East
wall
that
goes
to
the
right
and
back
to.
T
B
See
what
the
board,
in
terms
of
the
motion
we'll
see
what
the
board
wants
to
do
and
I
think
they're
ready
to
make
a
motion
memorabilia.
E
Fellow
board
members
to
make
amendments,
if
necessary,
I'm
also
sympathetic
to
the
to
the
discussion
of
this
portion
of
the
storage
building
being
over
the
property
line
and
having
minimal
impact
on
the
streetscape
and
and
just
the
difficulty
of
our
historic
process.
Review
process
in
general.
I,
don't
I'm
going
to
recommend
that
we
proceed
with
approving
its
removal,
so
in
case
2022-005830,
hdrb
and
30
and
10
30
and
a
half
West
Houghton
I
moved
that
the
board
approved
the
project
as
submitted
all
five
or
sorry.
T
B
H
Right,
it's
a
friendly,
Amendment,
probably
more,
maybe
more-
for
discussion
in
terms
of
what
Mr
Eddie
suggested
or
the
material
and
the
behavior
case.
I
I'm,
not
quite.
F
H
What
it
would
look
like,
based
on
the
proposal
it
described
as
exposed
word,
wood,
vertical
plot
Clearfield,
with
a
rusted
steel
frame
and
I
believe
Mr
Eddie
suggesting
was
such
a
deal
would
not
be
visible
from
the
Street
and
only
Exposed
on.
B
B
Okay,
member
Rita
is
going
to
repeat
his
motion.
E
The
motion
was
to
approve
the
project
as
submitted
with
the
clarification
that
the
window
on
the
south
elevation
of
the
main
house
10
30.
He
aligned
on
the
right
hand
side
with
the
chimney.
H
And
just
wondering
if
one
needs
to
be
made,
I
I
would
like
to
see
the
vehicular
dates.
If
proved
to
be.
You
know,
in
line
with
the
wooden
nature
of
the
pedestrian
gates
that
are
proposed
with
minimal
steel
Exposed
on
the
street
minimal.
E
C
C
T
J
J
The
brief
presentation
here,
but
the
big,
the
topic
of
the
case
tonight,
is
primary
facade,
designation
and
you'll,
see
that
the
the
south
is
a
South
facade
which
includes
the
bay
window,
but
no
further.
No
further
to
the
West
is
a
staff's
recommendation.
J
That
said,
oh
also,
with
the
double
doors
on
the
west
side,
west
Assad
seen
as
a
character
defining
feature.
That
is,
that
is
the
recommendation,
but
I'm
going
to
get
into
a
little
the
history
here
so
we're
looking
at
and
then
I'll
turn
it
over
to
the
applicant.
But
we
are
looking
at
a
photograph
from
2022
with
a
photograph
likely
from
1975
that
was
provided
by
the
applicant
and
there's
been
an
enclosed
porch
I'm
gonna
jump
down
to
the
air,
the
footprints,
the
change
of
footprints.
J
So
in
19
the
big
moves
of
this
house
were
in
1921.
J
J
My
cursor
over
the
East
facade
there
that's
filled
in,
and
you
can
kind
of
see
that
highlight
there
that
fills
that
that
portion
of
okay,
so
there's
been
changes
to
the
north
and
to
the
east
to
head
back
up
to
the
photographs
here
sometime
before
1975
this,
this
house
is
where
tall
was
enclosed
but
and
the
portal
is
enclosed
and
then
the
highlighted
or
dashed
in
window
on
the
sorry
door
on
the
left
was
changed
from
a
door
into
a
window.
So
there
are
some
there's
an
opening
change.
J
J
J
Those
those
I
think
those
questions
and
the
fact
that
it's
such
a
prominent
facade
on
the
house
and
when
you
look
at
the
North
facade,
you'll,
see
kind
of
that
comparison
where
part
of
it's
below
grade
there's
a
lot
of
there
are
a
lot
of
Great
Windows
here
that
are
that
are
historic
and
in
character
without
changes
to
the
openings,
which
is
lovely,
but
it
it
lacks,
some
of
those
a
character
math
and
we're
looking
at
the
West
facade.
J
So
there's
a
really
tall
wall
that
was
featured
in
that
little
article,
the
great
that
coined
a
Great
Wall
of
China
in
the
70s
that
blocks
the
view
to
the.
But
it
is
this
a
lovely
sort
of
double
doors.
On
the
west
of
thought.
Now
there
was
an
extra
extra
image
of
images
that
were
added
to
the
packet
to
kind
of
show.
This
West
facade
a
little
bit
better.
Unfortunately,
it's
just
hard
to
get
photographs
that
really
share
this
without
having
to
do
many
multiples.
J
J
J
Okay,
so
here
are
some
elevations
as
proposed
and
approved
in
2001,
but
they
are.
These
are
slightly
different
than
what
actually
exists
on
the
South
elevation,
the
windows.
J
What
actually
got
put
in
are
a
little
different
and
these
doors
are
these
doors
actually
a
little
a
little
bit
different
than
what
you
see
here
with
that
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
the
applicant
and
if
we,
but
I
will
point
out
before
I
do
there,
the
primary
facade
definition
is
one
or
more
principal
faces
or
elevations
of
the
building,
with
features
that
Define
the
character
of
the
building's
architecture,
and
so,
and
thinking
about
that,
that
is
the
reason
that
the
South
facade
and
the
character
defining
feature
of
the
West
facade
doors
were
chasing
Carly.
B
You
are
only
recommending
the
South
facade,
correct
the.
J
South
and
then
identifying
the
doors
on
the
west
facade
as
a
character
defining
feature.
So
just
simply
those
and
not
the
entire
facade
on
the
west.
B
In
reference
to
the
history
of
the
cells,
is
there
an
association
to
people
that
were
prominent
in
this
community.
J
I'm
going
to
turn
that
over
so
Gala
did
A
really
lovely
job
applicant
did
a
lovely
job
of
putting
together
some
historical
background,
but
it's
the
Edward,
it's
known
as
the
Edward
Safford
residence,
and
it
does
have
some.
There
are
some
there's
some
other
historical
background
of
it.
I
think
she
can
follow
up
on
as
well,
but
it
is
one
of
the
it
is
a
double
walled
and
it
dates
back
to
1900,
maybe
even
earlier,
to
likely
1880
based
on
some
staff
records
that
were
included
in
the
packet.
B
Gala
you've
already
been
scoring
it
remember:
Beach
I
just
have
something
for
Carly.
H
Okay,
get
just
one
question
for
Carly
I'm,
not
sure
I,
understand
the
recommendation
for
the
identification
of
the
double
doors
character,
defining
with
my
understanding
that,
if
a
feature
is
character
defined
that
that
facade
should
be
designated
as
Primary.
In
order
to
preserve
that
feature
where
it's
not
represented
on
the
other
facades.
Is
it
something.
J
Sorry,
so
it
it
can't,
it
can
either
can
be
done.
It
depends.
So
if
there's
maybe
a
chimney
feature
and
not
the
rest
of
the
facade,
saying
that
there's
an
addition
on
the
North
portion
that
was
part
of
that
consideration.
So
the
board
can
choose
to
include
that
entire
facade,
which
includes
the
two
smaller
Windows
as
well,
but
there's
also
a
little
bit
of
a
an
added
stucco
short
wall
as
well.
J
So
that's
that
was
something
that
it
was
questionable
and
if,
if
the
board
wants
to
choose
to
go
with
both
apps
okay
but
generally
yes,
a
a
feature
has
been
practiced
in
the
past.
That
a
feature
can
be
identified
and
not
the
entire
facade.
J
O
Good
evening
again
in
refers
to
your
question
about
the
history,
I
did
send
Carly
the
entire
history
of
the
Yano
compound
that
how
the
name
of
Sharon
something
wrote
and
that's
where
I
got
the
1975
photograph.
It
was
an
important
building
to
the
neighborhood
because
it
was
up
on
the
hill
and
it
was-
and
it
was
you
know,
quite
old,
the
first
parts
of
it.
So
it's
but
in
terms
of
the
stackers
there's
no
other
name.
That
I
can
remember
that
without
going
through
this
document,
once
more.
G
O
There
the
breweries
was
next
door,
so
there
was
a
brewery
in
a
Cider
House.
They
were
not
on
that
were
not
this
house.
It
was
next
door,
so
even
on
the
Sanborn
map
it
it.
O
I
am
just
I'm,
well
I'd,
never
like
to
disagree
with
Carly,
but.
O
Would
like
to
present
an
alternate
Viewpoint,
which
is
that
the
South
facade
has
been
the
most
changed
and
Carly
I,
don't
know
if
you
received
my
slide.
Could
you
put
my
little
slide.
O
J
O
O
Yeah,
let's
go
back
I
guess
about
to
the
thoughts
I
had
juxtaposed
this.
This
elevation,
the
top
elevation
showing
the
windows
the
way
they
proposed
in
2001
and
then
with
the
existing
and
with
the
Assad
in
1975
to
disprove
my
point
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
change
to
the
South
facade
and
after
it
was
really
after
Carly,
did
a
site
visit
that
I
realized
that
the
north
facade
actually
has
quite
intact
historic
fabric.
O
The
windows
are
the
same:
there
have
not
been
a
window
change
to
the
north,
and
so
that's
really
my
argument
against
having
this
be
the
primary
facade,
even
though
it
might
be
the
most
visible,
even
though
it's
not
really
visible
anymore
from
Palace
and
then
I
guess
the
North
to
the
north.
O
O
O
Let's
indicated
it's
not
so
evocative
anymore,
even
though
the
facade,
certainly
the
the
massing
of
it,
is
similar
than
it's
always
been
so
I
guess
that's
where
I
would
stop
there,
so
Bonnie
Armijo,
who
is
the
Builder
and
he
would
had
to
repair
this
building
and
replaced
these
windows
over
the
years
would
like
to
speak
also
to
the
board.
C
X
So
I've
worked
on
this
property
for
20
some
years
for
three
previous
owners.
21
years
ago,
I
changed
the
entire
South
facade
that
entire
there's
one
window
that
wasn't
changed
the
smallest
window
on
that
South
Assad
everything
else,
the
size
of
the
windows,
the
style
of
the
windows,
the
material,
the
windows
they
went
from,
wood
to
clad
the
size
has
got
larger,
so
everything
was
changed
on
the
south,
so
I'm
surprised
if
they're
shooting
for
the
primary
facade
on
the
North
End,
all
those
are
original.
X
B
It
appears
not
at
this
time.
Anyone
from
the
public
wishing
to
comment.
I
I
J
They
appear
to
be,
and
on
that
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
you
know
the
consideration
is
that
was
brought
into
consideration,
but
it
it's
also
Integrity
is
a
factor,
but
you
know:
are
we
only
looking
at
a
collection
of
Windows
being
the
creating
the
character
of
the
building,
or
is
it
really
the
major
move
of
the
building
that
creates
that
character
facade?
So
it's
you
know
is
one
of
those
kind
of
tricky
cases
and
the
reason
I
feel
like
this
is
one
of
the
reasons
we
have
a
board.
J
So
it's
you
know
not
the
easiest
decision,
because
that
is
such
an
iconic
facade.
J
S
O
I
would
just
like
to
point
out.
The
windows
in
the
old
portal
area
are
evocative
of
sort
of
2000,
2010
or
2005
Colby
windows
that
have
divided
light.
So,
in
my
opinion,
the
the
the
door
is
more
evocative
of
what
it
was
and
then
certainly
the
window
to
the
to
the
East,
but
these
windows
and
doors
aren't
of
this
place
anymore.
In
my
opinion,.
B
X
L
L
X
O
The
west
door,
which
I
don't
disagree
with
Carly,
that
it
is
a
characteristic
this.
This
is
the
style
of
window
that
they
did
in
throughout
the
compound
when
they
were
building
the
the
buildings
with
this
row
of
sort
of
square
windows
at
the
top
and
those
kinds
of
Windows
are
still
existing
in
the
compound
itself,
so
it
was
a
the
character.
The
windows
were
were
changed
in
the
70s
and
at
least
many
of
them,
and
then
it
was
this
style
of
when
of
of
door.
There
was
a
chance
I'm
above
them.
B
H
And
a
case
2022-005868
hdrp
at
815,
East
Palace
Avenue
number
five
I'll
move
to
designate
the
north
side
as
primary,
based
on
the
testimony
provided
by
the
applicant
and
and
and
the
West
for
thought
in
order
to
capture
the
the
double
door
with
the
original
found,
some
windows.
H
E
S
B
Other
amendments,
none
roll
call
vote.
Please
remember.
C
A
J
This
is
530
Camino
military,
it
is
in
the
review
District,
but
it
is
also
kind
of
on
the
edge
well.
It
is
on
the
edge
of
the
history
of
the
downtown
east
side
that
that
line
of
the
historic
districts
right
here
where
my
cursor
is
going
across
the
screen
there.
J
The
application
before
you
tonight
is
for
a
new
build
for
a
guest
house
that
fits
down
the
hill
off
the
street
and
just
kind
of
a
little
back
down
the
hill
there.
But
just
a
couple
notes
about
the
structure.
It
is
a
a
recent
Santa
Fe
style,
very
clearly,
a
new
newer
alterations
and
that
moved
it
from
one
story
to
two
stories.
It
was
approved
by
the
board,
but
it's
a
that's,
probably
a
Revival
Style
with
undivided
lights,
very
clearly,
a
more
contemporary
structure.
J
So
that's
what
that's
what
you
said.
You
saw
as
the
main
house
here
with
the
wall
that
kind
of
jumps
in
and
allows
this
little
parking
space
here
and
then
the
new
build.
The
new
construction
sits
down
the
hill
here
and
down
the
driveway.
J
All
my
bullet
points
so
just
a
note
on
the
sloping
of
the
site.
We
have
over
four
feet
of
slope
on
the
site,
so
the
but
the
applicant
is
requesting
an
exception
for
height
and
looking
at.
J
14
3
as
the
maximum
allowable
height
and
you
can
see
it
grows
from
one
one
area
of
the
building
down
the
slope
to
the
other,
so
we're
looking
at
that
North
North
facade
as
kind
of
what
fronts
the
building
there
or
reference
to
the
streetscape
here.
Okay,
here
is
the
East
Elevation
South
elevation,
the
building
is
stucco.
J
It's
got.
We've
got
some
white
stucco
under
the
four
talls,
some
the
brown
sucker,
which
is
actually
a.
J
J
So
there
there's
question
about
whether
or
not
to
use
a
height
allowance
versus
an
exception.
Here
and
generally,
the
height
allowance
is
to
kind
of
allow
for
height
over
a
certain
slope,
but
allowing
for
the
allowing
for
the
slope,
the
largest
mass
to
be
at
the
back,
but
we
cut.
We
see
the
the
larger
Mass
reaching
kind
of
mid
mid
range
here.
J
So
that's
part
of
the
reasoning
for
that
there
are
some
you'll
see
that
some
of
the
exception
criteria
have
not
staff,
don't
see
them
being
met
just
be
due
to
the
nature
of
the
alternative
design,
designs
not
being
explored
and
then
and
then
the
fighting
to
address
some
of
that
slip.
J
Okay,
I'm
going
to
jump
down
to
we're.
Looking
at
the
floor
plans
here,
look
at
the
renderings.
J
Okay,
so
on
the
top
of
the
top
screen
there,
you
can
see,
there's
the
Northeast
facade,
they
are
North
working
into
Northwest
I.
Think
the
applicant
can
talk
through
these
slides,
maybe
a
little
further,
but
there's
in
the
packets
mentioning
the
double
portal
on
the
on
the
Southwest
facade
side.
Whereas
this
there's
a
single
portal
or
staying
on
the
northeast
there,
the
style
is
a
Southwest
contemporary
style
and
they're
as
what's
allowable
in
the
historic
this
or
the
design.
J
Sorry,
the
review
District
historical
review,
District
non-divided
life,
which
are
which
are
varying
in
height
and
length,
but
they're
rather
width.
J
Okay,
let's
see
I've
gone
through
some
of
the
design
details,
I
think
the
applicant
can
better
elucidate
design,
questions
and
intent
on
the,
but
just
a
reminder.
This
is
the
this.
Is
the
review
District
where
vegetation
does
count
for
screening,
but
it
does
not
in
the
downtown
me
side
now,
the
streetscape
does
have
a
variety
of
buildings
here.
J
They,
as
you
may
have
seen
on
the
field
trip
today,
are
a
variety
of
between
a
contemporary
version
of
a
territorial
style
and
a
contemporary
version
of
the
Spanish
popular
Revival
style
and
then
there's
another,
of
course,
the
Contemporary
version
of
the
Spanish
popular
Revival
that
sits
on
this
property.
J
It's
just
something
to
make
note
of
that
and
just
sits
down
the
hill
and
I
think
the
applicant
can
speak
to
the
grade
change,
but
we
do
have
in
the
packet
the
the
visuals
of
where
the
story
polls
kind
of
extend
to
the
applicant
has
picked
out
what
is
visible
with
it
with
the
story
poles
and
put
an
outline
in
that
visual
for
us
to
see
what
would
be
seen
from
Camino
military
that
streetscape
and
with
that
I
can
take
questions
or
go
ahead
and
turn
it
over
the
applicant
and
they
can
walk
through.
J
B
Carly
before
you
leave
the
podium
on
today's
seal
group,
we
saw
that
the
existing
house
sits
up
here.
We
get
into
the
driveway
and
then
there's
a
really
sloped
area.
What
I
would
call,
perhaps
even
on
Arroyo
and
that's
where
the
story
polls
were
set
and
is
that
where
the
house
is
being
planned
of
being
put.
J
H
L
J
Which
Corners
were
were
laid
out
and
the
from
what
the
story
pulls
so,
but
that's
it's
down.
It
sits
down
and
I'm
going
to
just
pull.
Go
back
to
the
go
back
to
the
plan,
the
site
plan
with
the
grading
on
it.
So
the
applicant
can
answer
any
further
questions
about
kind
of
that
that
amount
of
grade
change
from
the
streetscape
right.
B
And
also
this
case
requires
an
exception
for
additional
height
and
you
in
your
review
of
the
responses.
You
did
not
agree
with
the
applicant's
responses.
Correct.
J
I
I
did
not
agree
that
the
exception
criteria
were
met,
and
that
may
be.
That
may
be
seen
that
may
be
using
Matt
upon
further
testimony
if
the
board
hears
that
tonight,
but
I
think
that
it
was
largely,
as
I
stated
earlier,
a
few
design
option
to
sign
alteration
or
design
Alternatives
were
discussed.
J
J
The
other
pertains
to
the
slope,
to
the
hardship
and
part
of
that
is,
while
the
slope
is
the
site
is
sloping
and
the
sighting
of
the
building,
that's
you
know
is:
is
there
that
ability
to
actually
cite
it
slightly
in
such
a
way
or
to
adjust
the
footprint
in
such
a
way
that
it
doesn't
need
so
much
height
to
accomplish
what
the
aim
is?
So
those
are
the
two
reasoning
for
the
the
criteria
that
were
that
staff
feels
is
not
met.
B
One
last
question:
if
this
building
is
built
as
proposed,
can
you
comment
on
the
public
disability.
J
So
I
think
I
think
the
amount
of
the
visibility
is
kind
of
is
is
outlined
somewhat
from
the
street
with
these
I
think
this
is
a
pretty
good
indication,
but,
as
you
approach
from
as
you
are
approaching,
the
fight
I
think
there's
there's
likely
going
to
be
some
visibility.
There
I
mean
that's,
that's
part,
that's
the
most
part
of
the
concern
on
that,
because
vegetation
does
count
for
screening
here,
but
we
are
also
right
next
to
the
downtown
Eastside
historic
district,
where
it
doesn't
so
One
impact.
J
J
It
is
also
kind
of
transitional.
In
a
way
the
streetscapes
are
very
different
from
Street
to
Street
and
the
further
the
further
out
you
get
into
the
historic
group.
The
review
District
Styles
can
change,
and
so
whether
or
not
this
is
with
a
height
and
visibility,
if
it's
really
appropriate
for
the
streetscape
is
one
of
the
big
considerations
here.
B
Yeah,
yes,
remember
thank.
I
H
Clarification
plays
on
with
respect
to
the
fallopian
sites.
Is
it
your
assessment
that
the
diet
meets
the
criteria
of
slipping
more
than
two
feet,
but
there
is.
Is
there
a
reason?
You're
not
suggested
that
the
board
consider
the
allowance
that
we're
afforded
by
the
code
to
increase
the
height
without
exception,
so.
J
Yes,
generally
that
that
allowance,
that
allowance
is
for
kind
of
a
stepping
down
of
the
site
in
this
in
the
consideration
and
that
in
looking
at
this,
there
was
not
that
level
of
consideration
to
the
site
and
the
way
it
slopes
we're
looking
at
the
top
of
the
rear,
the
top
of
the
parapet
being
here
and
we're
not
looking
at
it
stepping
down
and
getting
it's
reaching
a
pretty
maximal
height
right
here
at
the
middle
of
the
building
and
not
necessarily
as
it
steps
backwards
a
little
bit.
J
But
the
other
thing
about
that
is
generally.
We
reserve
that
for
if,
if
a
building
is.
J
Is
moving
is
if
you're
looking
at
a
streetscape
we're
looking
at
that,
going
back
and
I
think
it's
just
it's
all
in
how
it
cited
really,
and
so,
if,
if
we're,
treating
This
truly
within
the
code,
that
that's
that
consideration,
that
this
can
the
exception
was
the
more
conservative
route
to
go
in
this.
J
And
if
we
felt
like
this
was
kind
of
on
the
borderline
of
allowance
versus
exception,
we
go
with
exception
so
that
we
make
sure
that
we
cover
it
fully
in
the
code
and
honor
that,
and
so
that
was
the
concern
here
and
that
fighting
of
the
that
fighting
of
the
building.
That
way.
So
you
know
this
building
is
cited
facing
the
road
and
we
get
higher
and
higher
instead
of
instead
of
kind
of
stepping
down.
Thank.
B
You
anything
else:
if
not,
then
will
the
applicant
or
applicants
please
come
forward
and
get
sworn
in.
C
P
P
All
right
good
evening,
Madam,
chair
and
board
members.
Thank
you
very
much
for
hearing
us
tonight.
P
I
wanted
to
I
appreciate
to
hear
about
why
why
three
points
were
rejected
or
not
recommended
for
the
exception,
and
I
would
like
to
specifically
address
that,
but
one
before
that
I'd
like
to
just
quickly
give
a
history
about
this.
This
is
a
a
property
that
has
been
with
the
same
owner
for
many
many
years.
One
of
the
first
developments
up
in
that
area.
It
was
it's
still
the
same
owner.
P
The
owner's
son
is
coming
back
from
California.
He
grew
up
there
and
he's
coming
back
and
he's
going
to
purchase
this
property
and
because
puppies
are
so
expensive,
the
main
house
there
is
still
his
father,
still
has
a
studio
there
and
he
wants
to
keep
it
there
for
him
to
keep
on
working.
But
that's
why
he
and
his
young
family
with
one
child,
is
moving
back
and
they
want
to
build
a
guest
house
now,
it's
very.
They
are
very
concerned
about
the
neighborhood.
L
P
So
that's
one
thing
we
try
to
do
is
to
make
sure
it
is
not.
It
doesn't
take
any
view
away
from
any
neighbor
neighboring
building
most
the
neighbor
most
impacted
will
be
526.
P
That's
just
west
of
the
property,
and
so
we
had
different
options
and
and
and
and
and
and
ended
up
moving
into
the
Arroyo
like
you
called
Madame
chair,
so
it
it
is
it.
It
is
like
in
that
in
that
truck
the
other
up,
the
other
challenge
we
had
with
the
site,
because
it's
deep,
it
has
two
different
types
of
slope
analysis.
One
was
the
original
and
then
one
that
is
current
and
over
the
years
the
owner
did
some
adjustments
to
the
lot
and
did
some
cutbacks
that
are
too
steep.
P
So
I
had
Mr
Gabaldon
Martin
Gabaldon,
coming
out
to
assess
that
with
me
and
see
where
we
can
actually
build
so
overlaying,
both
slope
analysis.
It
was
very
limited
where
we
could
actually
build
outside
of
the
30
slope.
I
just
wanted
to
quickly
someone
that
maybe
not
know
you
cannot
build
over
30
slope.
P
So
that's
why
we
ended
up
at
that
location
if
I
may
address
the
first
point
for
the
exception,
which
says:
do
not
damage
the
character
of
the
district
and
the
staff
response
was
that
due
to
the
proximity
to
the
downtown
and
the
East
Side
Historic
District
boundary,
it
is
a
staff's
perspective
that
the
design
should
take
into
consideration
the
how
appropriate
the
style
and
height
is
within
the
streetscape
and
location
in
its
is
strict
and
so
I
I
do
I
mean
obviously
the
yes,
the
property,
the
south
portion
of
the
property
buds
up
against
properties
on
Camino
Cobra.
P
However,
Camino
military
is
in
the
review
District
and
has
many
buildings
that
exceed
the
height
of
the
16
feet.
I've
I've
I
was
talking
to
a
neighbor
to
make
sure
that
he
understands
the
con.
The
the
project,
in
that
case
view,
is
not
impacted,
and
that
was
at
526
Camino
minitar.
So
we
were
standing
on
his
deck
to
see.
We
could
talk,
we
could
really
make
out
where
the
story
pulls
up,
but
they're,
so
thin
and
there's
so
much
going
on.
P
He
will
definitely
see
a
building
from
his
balcony,
but
it
will
be
mostly
screened
with
trees
and
I
understand.
The
trees
can
die,
however,
so
he
was
okay
with
that,
but
looking
across
from
Haystack
was
a
two-story
house
on
Camino
Cabra,
that
is
in
the
east
side
and
downtown
district
and
and
and
so
I'm
just
going
to
go
down
further
in
this
image.
So
this
image
is
looking
up
from
Camino
military,
that's
the
end
of
the
street
in
terms
of
style.
P
This
is
a
contemporary
style,
not
you
know
not
much,
unlike
what
we
are
proposing
and
then
the
next
one
is
that's
the
neighbor
526
and
that's
another
neighboring
property,
524
Camino
military
and
they
are
both
over
16
feet,
which
is
just
that's
the
character
of
the
street.
Going
further
down.
P
So
here
I
have
the
map
oops,
here's
the
map,
that
was
the
what
the
calculation
the
height
calculation
was
based
on
out
of
all
those
buildings,
and
there
were
14
buildings,
only
six
qualified
to
order
height
calculation,
which
then
you
know,
which
is
I
I,
understand,
I,
understand
what
the
rules
are,
that
they
can
be
more
than
16
feet
and
and
it's
an
average
height
calculation,
but
the
street
itself,
which
is
should
be
saved
as
a
historic
district,
doesn't
present
that
it.
P
P
I
did
a
height
calculation,
so
we
are
asking
our
allowable
height
is
14
foot
and
three
inches.
Can
you
see
this
here?
So
I've
just
listed
the
items
here.
All
the
lots
that
are
included
in
the
in
the
in
the
height
calculation
here
are
the
height
of
the
buildings
and
the
calculation
here
for
for
what
that
was
that
that
was
Miss
vishwav
at
that
time
he
included
number
three
number,
seven
number,
twelve,
thirteen
and
fourteen,
and
that
gave
it
gave
them
an
average
of
12.
P
feet
and
three
inches,
and
then
there
is
a
maximum
of
two
feet
that
he
gave
us.
In
addition,
if
I
add
all
buildings
together
and
divided
to
14,
I
get
an
average
height
of
18
feet
and
what
is
that
two
inches?
So
it's?
It
is
the
height
exception.
We
are
asking
for
and
I
understand
this
I
I.
What
what
the
historic
district
is
looking
at,
but
I
just
wanted
to
point
out.
It
is
not
out
of
scale,
it
is
it.
P
It
is
within
that
this
treatment
is
within
what
that
street
represents.
So
that's
what
that
was
for
the
first
criteria.
The
second
one,
it
says,
are
required
to
prevent
a
hardship
to
the
applicant
or
an
injury
to
the
public
welfare
and,
like
the
criteria,
was
not
met,
because
it
is
a
sloping
side.
Although
some
of
the
slope
could
be
avoided
in
how
the
building
is
cited.
That
stated,
that
site
still
presents
a
slope
condition
and
I'm
going
to
go
back
there
too.
P
So
because
of
the
two
of
the
difficulties
with
the
the
30
percent.
J
It's
gonna
jump
in
here
and
that
we
and
I'm
forgive
me
for
not
having
this
conversation
earlier.
We
do
want
to
make
sure
we're
concise
with
the
board's
time.
So
if,
as
you
have
questions.
P
So
here
you
can
see
that's
what
Mr
Gabaldon
wanted
C
is
in
Gray
is
the
the
current
slope
and
in
red
is
the
original
slope
which
he
said
we
need
to
work
with
the
original,
the
original
slope
and
the
slope
analysis
now.
The
fact
is
that
the
side,
the
grading
is
different
and
we
had
a
civil
engineer
work
with
both
slope
analysis,
to
put
it
back
for
where
or
where
we
can
to
the
original
slope,
and
that
is
basically
in
this
area
over
here.
P
I,
don't
know,
can
you
see
my
cursor
and
then
so
that's
why
the
slope
is
very
difficult
and
the
and
all
the
dark
red
and
the
dark
gray
is
all
30.
So
there
will
be
no
space
over
here
there's
this
is
a
driveway
there'll,
be
no
space
over
here
with
the
required
setback
to
build
down
here,
it's
very
difficult,
I
mean
it
would
be
a
very
long,
strange
house.
P
This
is
the
this
will
be
the
only
area
we
could
decide
it
closer
to
the
road
and
probably
with
less
slope,
but
this
has
some
very
nice
old,
Rose
pinions,
which
would
you
know
if
we
would
cut
this
down
I
think
it
wouldn't
serve
the
neighbors
more
rather
knife.
You
can
keep
it
screened.
Also
the
adjacent
neighbor
at
5,
26
right
here
he
has
his
master
bedroom
here
so
to
have
the
minimum
setback
of
five
feet
to
his
property
would
really
impact
him.
So
that's
why
Madam.
E
B
A
very
likely
this
position
and
one
of
the
first
questions:
I,
have
you
indicated
original
slope
and
that
the
city
is
telling
you
take
it
back
to
original
slope.
By
that,
do
you
mean?
Do
you
have
to
infill
that
you're
going
to
build
that
up
or
you're
going
to
dig
down.
P
We
are
infilling,
we
are
restoring
some
of
the
slopes.
I
can
I
I,
don't
want
to
bore
you
with
technicality,
but
we
have
the
I.
P
To
I
don't
have
a
picture
of
the
site
where
the
story
posts
are.
But
if
you
recall
it's
like
some
of
the
site,
Cuts
where
the
trees
are
growing,
are
cut
straight
down,
so
that
portion
we
have
to
fill
in
and
and
that
will
be
against
the
facade.
I
Not
so
much
a
question,
but
just
an
observation,
I'm
moving
away
from
the
from
the
height
issue
for
a
moment
and
wanted
to
focus
more
on
this
style.
There
was
a
particular
part
in
the
code
that
mentions
that
a
proposed
building
shall
be
in
proportion
to
let's
be
it's
called
length,
the
roof
form.
I
So
that's
the
portion
I'm
referring
the
proposed
building.
You
know
Southwest
contemporary,
the
existing
primary
residence
Spanish
Pueblo
Revival,
so
the
roof
form
between
those
two
are
very
different.
You
know
there's
an
absence
of
parapet,
there's
no
bigas,
there's
the
middle,
the
metal
drip
edge.
So
I'm
also
wondering
you
know
whether
the
style
of
the
proposed
guest
house
is
appropriate.
I
You
know
I
feel,
like
a
guest
house
should
complement
the
primary
residence
and
not
feel
like
a
separate
property
and
then
regarding
the
Heights
I
agree
with
the
staff
that
the
exception
criteria
for
the
height
has
not
been
met.
I
wrote
in
just
to
reiterate:
you
know,
as
we
consider
this
I
think
we
do
need
to
keep
in
mind
the
proximity
to
the
historic
East
Side
District.
I
The
code
has
specific
language
that
meant
that
mentions
Camino
Milly
Todd,
which
I
think
shows
the
intention
that
the
street
is
supposed
to
be
given.
You
know
special
consideration,
so
I
would
ask
the
applicant
to
consider
you
know
different
sighting
of
the
house,
maybe
not
the
number
of
levels
of
proposed,
because
I
do
appreciate
your
ex
your
explanation
about
the
intention
of
the
Youth
of
the
guest
house,
but
maybe
the
size
could
be
evaluated.
I
I
P
On
the
lower
level,
it's
going
to
be
eight
feet
and
that's
the
basement.
That's
the
first
floor.
There
is
a
basement
that
is
submerged
and
then
on
the
the
second
level,
the
upper
level
where
the
entry
is
the
living
room
is
at
10
feet.
I
Would
the
applicant
ever
consider
having
a
lower
ceiling
height
if
and
maybe
the
board
in
the
app
pick
meet
some
sort
of
meet
in
the
middle
on
the
height
exception,
especially
considering
that
it's
you
know,
a
guest
house,
my
my
primary
residence
only
has
eight
foot
tall
ceilings,
so
it's
seems
like
we
could
maybe
meet
in
the
middle
somewhere
there
as
well.
P
I'm
I
I'm
sure
the
applic,
the
the
owner
would
agree
to
a
nine
foot
ceiling
that
is
acceptable.
J
I
have
a
if
we're
waiting
for
a
comments.
I
have
a
further
clarification.
I
didn't
realize.
I
didn't
answer
one
of
those
questions
very
well
from
Member
Bish
height
the
exception
versus
allowance,
and
part
of
that
is,
if
you
were
to
see
a
pretty
short
facade
from
the
road
and
go
back,
that's
when
we
would
go
for
an
allowance,
we're
seeing
the
largest
mass
in
the
building,
which
is
facing
the
First
Street
farming
facade
at
18
and
a
half
feet
or
18
for
three.
That's
the
reasoning
for
that.
J
The
the
other
point
is
the
other
thing
to
note
about
a
high
ex
having
a
height
exception,
which
is
reasonable
to
go
for
a
height
exception,
but
I
think
the
thing
to
understand
with
how
we
calculate
height
is
when
we
we
go.
We
do
not
include
non-contributing
properties,
which
is
difficult
in
this
District,
because
a
lot
of
them
are
non-contributing.
That
said,
if
we
were
to
calculate
every
building,
it
would
allow
for
this
excretionary
growth
over
time.
That's
something
that
we
is
is
not
ideal,
but
I.
J
H
Remember
be
sure,
thank
you
for
that
Carly
that
that
helps
a
lot.
If
my
my
comments
are
mostly
with
respect
to
the
style,
which
you
know
the
heights
sort
of
exaggerate
the
those
characteristics.
This
is
a
very
contemporary
house
and
I
acknowledge
that
there's
a
variety
of
styles
in
on
the
street,
but
the
size
and
height
sort
of
make
this
one
stand
out
more.
As
Carly
explained,
we
see
a
lot
of
it
from
the
street.
H
I
find
the
color
scheme
to
be
pretty
unusual
with
all
of
the
white
Under
portals,
which
we
traditionally
view
as
a
traditional
treatment
of
hotel,
that
this
is
not
a
traditional
house
and
so
that
that
appears
to
be
sort
of
highlighting
something
that,
in
a
way,
that's
not
consistent
with
our
style
guidance.
H
The
window
shapes
are
concerning
to
me.
They
don't
seem
to
really
follow
any
sort
of
pattern
of
long
horizontal
Windows,
like
tall
vertical
Windows,
around
windows.
G
H
Heights
because
I
think
the
thought
might
be
an
area
where
we're
overreaching
in
this
proposal.
E
L
E
L
K
E
And
then
some
other
places
where
we
have
a
kind
of
more
tradeiated
design
with
column
and
beam
expressed
and
stucco
the
inconsistency
of
the
the
roof
treatment.
You
know,
I.
Imagine
that
you're
proposing
a
a
flat
roof
with
a
with
a
drip
edge
because
you
want
to
fit
under
the
the
height
limitation.
Yes,
but
I'm
concerned
that
the
about
that
that
the
inconsistency
of
that
roof
with
the
lower
level
and
the
portal
on
the
front
and
I
think
you
know
if.
E
I
would
I
would
propose
that
this
case
comes
back
after
design
revision
that
addresses
the
comments
of
the
board
tonight.
B
B
And
let
me
hear
anyone
from
the
public
pushing
to
comment.
Please
come
forward,
get
sorted
in.
C
W
It's
a
little
hard
to
come
and
speak
for
you
guys,
because
you
know
if
well
it's
our
neighbors
that
are
just
like
around
the
flock
but
and
I
know
sabil
hello.
You
know
I've
known
you
for
so
many
years,
so
it
pains
me
to
speak
against
this
project.
The
height
it's
all
about
I
mean
the
height
too
much.
We
live
on
Apodaca
Hill
Street,
which
is
just
to
the
west
and
a
little
bit
down
the
hill,
and
it's
going
to
be
totally
visible
from
our
view.
So
we
live
in
the
neighborhood.
T
W
W
And
it's
actually,
it's
got
an
enclosed
porch,
that's
open!
It's
open
air,
but
it's
basically
part
of
the
building
Mass.
So
it's
1933
square
feet
of
of
a
house
and
plus
it's
got
another.
It's
got
a
basement,
so
it's
almost
2
400
square
feet
seems
like
it's
a
poor
precedent
in
this
cool
part.
You
know
it's
a
very
nice
lovely
neighborhood,
thank
goodness
for
the
historic
review
board.
This
is
exactly
why
these
regulations
are
in
place
to
protect
us
from
getting
these
kinds
of
developments
right
in
the
midst
of
the
neighborhood.
G
W
See
you've
got
to
give
I
will
give
Seville
and
the
owner's
credit
they've
done
a
very
good
job.
Trying
to
make
this
work,
however,
because
of
this
height
it's
over
I
think
it's
overdue.
My
opinion
because
well
good.
Well,
it's
because
it's
going
to
be
visible
from
Apodaca,
Hill
Street.
That's
why
so
Camino
military,
but
we're
right
around
the
corner
and
this
it's
the
building,
is
being
situated
towards
the
back
of
the
side
right
towards
Apodaca,
Hill
Street
and
you
know,
I
have
a
neighbor
who
lives.
You
know
adjacent
to
this
property.
W
W
Why
not
make
it
just
a
little
bit
smaller?
Why
does
it
have
to
be
like
a
three-story
building?
If
you
have
a
basement
and
a
second
floor
and
a
ground
level?
It's
it's!
So
it's
so
vertical!
Why
not
make
it
a
more?
You
know
more,
like
a
guest
house,
something
that's
a
little
bit
more
discreet
and
that's
not
going
to
look
like
a
main
house.
I.
B
R
J
Just
remember
Larson's
hand
up
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
to
the
board
that
this
public
comment,
the
public
comment
was
attached
to
the
packet
and
that
was
notified
to
the
board.
Yesterday
evening.
B
A
Thank
you,
yeah
I
actually
really
appreciate.
You
know
how
this
design
is
clearly
attempting
to
do
something.
G
A
Little
bit
different
more
of
a
play
on
you
know
the
modernist
sort
of
aesthetic.
A
You
know,
I
think
if
you
really
tune
into
that
you'll
find
that
you
know
you
don't
have
to
necessarily
exceed
the
maximum
allowable
height
and
you'd
actually
come
up
with
something.
In
my
mind,
what
would
be
more
interesting
because
it
would
be
more
in
harmony
with
this.
You
know
very
challenging
plot
that
you
have
and
it
would
be
more
respectful
to
you
know
the
character
of
this
area
of
the
district.
A
So
you
know
I
agree
with
my
fellow
board
members.
All
of
the
comments
made
you
know
I
personally,
like
the
the
current
design,
but
I
do
think
you
know
four
feet
above
maximum
allowables
a
little
bit
excessive
and
you
know
my
comment
would
just
be
to
try
to
work
a
little
bit
lower
and
see
you
know,
lowered
more
horizontal
and
see
what
you
can
come
up
with.
You
know
that
would
be
still.
A
You
know
a
a
beautiful
design,
but
maybe
more
you
know
secondary
to
the
overall
neighborhood
instead
of
the
dominant
sort
of
entity.
So
I
think
those
are
all
my
comments.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
Amber
Larson.
If
there
are
no
further
comments,
I
will
entertain
a
motion
and
I
would
ask
the
maker
of
the
motion
to
be
specific
in
there
references
to
what
was
said
here
this
evening.
Yes,.
I
2022-005867-Hdrb
at
5,
30,
Camino,
Lily,
Todd
I,
moved
postponed
to
a
future
date,
noting
that
the
exception
criteria
for
the
four
feet
of
additional
height
has
not
been
met,
and
the
exception
has
been
denied.
I
would
ask
that
the
applicant
present
a
design
that
is
harmonious
with
the
existing
primary
structure,
given
that
this
is
a
guest
house
that
also
matches
in
color.
I
would
also
like
to
request
that
photos
of
the
existing
structure
are
included
in
the
future
application
packet.
B
B
Do
we
have
to
the
phone
to
a
date
certain.
J
B
You
Carly
so
October
the
11th
and
okay,
we're
in
the
middle
of
the
motion.
So
foreign
I
want
to
take
a
vote
on
this
roll
call
vote.
Please.
A
P
G
P
B
Will
work
that
will
work
October,
25th?
Okay,
so
should
we
change
the
motion
date
or
date
certain
to
October
25th.
E
E
Explanation
and
public
input
and
I
think
it
was
worthwhile
spending
the
time
on
that
I
think
in
In
fairness
to
the
public
to
the
applicants
ending
being
more
efficient
with
the
boards,
the
sports
time
public
time
is
necessary
for
cases
I
know.
We
only
had
four
other
cases
than
that
big
one
tonight,
but
it'd
be
great.
E
If
we
can
get
through
them
a
lot
quicker
and
I
think
the
key
to
that
is
limiting
applicant
presentations
and
and
refraining
from
you
know,
kind
of
cross-examining
Staff
and
then
the
the
applicant
as
well.
We
could
probably
more
be
more
efficient.
There.
B
I,
don't
think
we
crossed
them
in
staff.
I
think
we're
just
getting
clarification,
questions,
staff
and
I.
Think
that's
important.
I
still
will
push
for
that
seriously,
because
sometimes
staff
is
the
only
ones
that
can
it's
the
person
that
can
answer
certain
questions.
For
instance,
Carly
was
not
in
agreement
with
the
criteria
in
this
last
case,
so
that
was
my
question
that
was
asked
and
but
I
I
do
want
to
thank
the
board
members
for
their
very
thorough
and
specific
recommendations
on
the
I.
B
L
B
E
I
C
B
Motion
has
been
improved.
Thank
you
very
much
and
we're
approximately
at
9
13
or
something
of
that
nature.